#Soylent | Logs for 2014-12-28

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[00:20:54] <crutchy_> tea++
[00:20:54] <Bender> karma - tea: 342
[00:28:13] * Konomi releases the hounds
[00:28:35] <Konomi> caffeine++
[00:28:35] <Bender> karma - caffeine: 63
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[00:30:22] * SpallsHurgenson enters the channel, all chewed and bloody "Okay, who released the hounds?"
[00:34:09] * crutchy_ is hiding from too many people at inlaws
[00:34:45] <SpallsHurgenson> toldja 'bout those relatives
[00:35:07] <crutchy_> antisocial++
[00:35:07] <Bender> karma - antisocial: 1
[00:35:28] <SpallsHurgenson> that's not being antisocial... that's having relatives :)
[00:36:11] <crutchy_> most of them arent related. they're mooch... I mean 'friends'
[00:37:06] * SpallsHurgenson crashes on crutchy's couch and eats from his fridge
[00:38:08] <crutchy_> heh. lemme know if you find anything edible :p
[00:38:53] * SpallsHurgenson drinks crutchy's beer :)
[00:39:53] * crutchy_ locks up the wine rack
[00:40:06] <crutchy_> you can have de beer :)
[00:40:48] <crutchy_> missus might come at you with a meat cleaver later :p
[00:40:58] <Konomi> that incense diffuser worked out
[00:41:01] <Konomi> just had to wait a bit
[00:41:08] <SpallsHurgenson> <shudder> incense
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[00:41:41] <crutchy_> like incest but smells better
[00:41:58] <Konomi> !grab crutchy_
[00:41:58] <Bender> Added quote 322
[00:42:04] <SpallsHurgenson> konomi beat me to it :)
[00:42:24] <crutchy_> aw. at least buy me a drink first ;-)
[00:42:52] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[00:42:52] <Bender> karma - tea: 343
[00:42:53] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[00:42:54] <Bender> karma - tea: 344
[00:43:06] <SpallsHurgenson> --coffee
[00:43:06] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 204
[00:43:12] <SpallsHurgenson> --coffee
[00:43:17] <crutchy_> yo JamesNZ. hows the test goin?
[00:43:27] <JamesNZ> crutchy_: Test?
[00:43:59] * SpallsHurgenson has a sudden image of JamesNZ's eyes widening in sudden rememberance, then dashing out the door half dressed
[00:44:23] * JamesNZ laughs nervously
[00:44:23] <crutchy_> cricket
[00:44:39] <SpallsHurgenson> my mind goes to strange places sometimes
[00:44:42] <JamesNZ> I don't watch cirkeect :)
[00:45:10] <SpallsHurgenson> sometimes it even lets me come along :)
[00:45:10] <crutchy_> me neither. thats why I have nfi what im talking about :p
[00:45:38] <Konomi> https://i.imgur.com
[00:47:16] <crutchy_> hmm. looks like its vs india not nz
[00:48:36] <SpallsHurgenson> more or less what we all expected
[00:48:40] <crutchy_> my brain is somewhere between my legs. it usually only makes an appearance when there'scantily clad bewbs in the vicinity
[00:49:10] <SpallsHurgenson> more or less what we all expected
[00:49:20] <JamesNZ> So what you're saying is it works best when having sex?
[00:49:52] <JamesNZ> I thought you'd be a knee guy crutchy_ :P
[00:51:08] <crutchy_> JamesNZ: I never said it works :p
[00:51:52] <JamesNZ> :P
[00:52:01] <crutchy_> sometimes I get a glimpse of an ankle :O
[00:53:42] <crutchy_> aussie chicks seem to have no problem flashing their ankles to every drooling man and dog
[00:53:59] <Konomi> http://www.smbc-comics.com
[00:54:21] <Konomi> gonna need half bras for ankles now
[00:57:49] <Konomi> http://www.smbc-comics.com
[00:58:09] <crutchy_> nice comic :D
[00:58:29] <Konomi> http://www.smbc-comics.com
[00:58:33] <Konomi> god they write some good ones
[01:01:05] <crutchy_> zomg jebus gave us a truncated version of all knowledge!?
[01:01:15] <crutchy_> that bastard!
[01:01:34] <SpallsHurgenson> so basically pi is just the ultimate compression format
[01:02:05] <crutchy_> only if its precisely pi. no rounding or truncation allowed
[01:04:36] <SpallsHurgenson> what is the meaning of life? Π. how do I build a space elevator? Π. where are my keys? Π. Hell, I bet it could even answer "what is the ratio between a circle's circumference to its diameter?"
[01:05:53] <SpallsHurgenson> now all we need to do is invent unPi so we can decompress it :)
[01:09:30] <crutchy_> it was uncompressed once. it contained so much info that the earth was consumed by it
[01:09:39] <SpallsHurgenson> good golly... maybe the whole universe is just a giant .ZIP file!
[01:10:18] <JamesNZ> :o
[01:10:26] <chromas> a .sex file
[01:10:36] <chromas> self-extracting. that's why we had the 'big bang'
[01:11:45] <crutchy_> I think my bits were corrupted cos part of me wasnt fully uncompressed and is still in .sex format
[01:11:49] <SpallsHurgenson> it would explain why there is so much porn
[01:16:21] * crutchy_ is surprised there isn't a 's'self-'ex'tracting format in linux
[01:17:32] <SpallsHurgenson> e must be the universe's equivalent of .arj
[01:17:54] <arti> i think it's called "you do it"
[01:18:05] <arti> or maybe youdoit.sh
[01:18:17] <crutchy_> damn .ydi files
[01:19:28] <arti> yet another you do it.
[01:20:24] <crutchy_> more fucking people. and its getting harder to find a quiet spot :(
[01:20:57] <SpallsHurgenson> o_0
[01:21:04] <arti> you're in australia, land of people :P
[01:21:12] <Konomi> snakes you mean
[01:21:20] <SpallsHurgenson> snake people
[01:21:22] <arti> >implying they're not people
[01:21:48] <crutchy_> dreaded one-eyed trouser snakes
[01:22:05] <arti> at least we know what your other half says to you :P
[01:22:25] <SpallsHurgenson> careful with those, crutchy; those things end up in the most unlikely of places
[01:22:36] <arti> it's cool, he's married to a snake charmer
[01:22:39] <crutchy_> she's already been bitten multiple times :p
[01:23:45] <crutchy_> she's developed antibodies and is now immune :/
[01:23:46] <Konomi> https://imgur.com
[01:23:46] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Christmas TV tree. - Imgur
[01:24:13] <arti> that's cool
[01:24:20] <crutchy_> wtf
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[01:26:53] <arti> https://imgur.com
[01:26:53] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03A son pays off his parents mortgage as a Christmas gift, great reaction. - Imgur
[01:26:53] <arti> wow
[01:27:02] <SpallsHurgenson> have we all seen this one already? https://www.youtube.com
[01:27:03] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03EDEKA - Kassensymphonie - YouTube
[01:27:12] <arti> need to add our own subtitles to it
[01:30:28] * crutchy_ waits to see if justin beiber donates his new private jet to his parents
[01:31:27] <Ethanol-fueled> cruutchy_, today I saw a vagrant ranting about Justin Beiber perform her freakshow in front of two cops.
[01:31:32] <Ethanol-fueled> it was hilarious.
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[01:33:47] <Konomi> why am I not surprised that EF finds a homeless person funny
[01:33:52] <crutchy_> wow justin beiber performs for cops?
[01:34:22] <arti> some of them smell funny
[01:34:41] <arti> maybe it's different down there
[01:35:24] <SpallsHurgenson> arti: why are you smelling homeless people "down there"?
[01:37:10] <crutchy_> I have nothing against homeless people. I dont like the ones begging for food in shoes that cost more than my entire wardrobe, but they might not know any better either. lots of people have been brainwashed into thinking vanity is more important than all else
[01:37:45] <arti> you sound ugly
[01:38:02] <crutchy_> I am
[01:38:08] <arti> SpallsHurgenson: i always smell things before i eat them :D
[01:38:10] <crutchy_> fugly even
[01:38:21] <arti> half furry, half ugly...
[01:38:28] <SpallsHurgenson> arti: well, so long as its between two consenting adults :)
[01:38:37] <arti> "sammiching"
[01:39:07] * chromas puts it between two consenting adults
[01:39:11] <crutchy_> ~define sammiching
[01:39:13] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3sammiching: Sammiching is the act of eating a sammich.
[01:39:24] <crutchy_> zomg!
[01:39:42] * crutchy_ feels enlightened
[01:40:39] <arti> ~define fearection
[01:40:41] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3fearection: Sexual arousal combined with a feeling of intimidation and uncertainty, generally provoked by powerful/forceful women who are physically attractive. "Business sexual" clothing contributes to...
[01:41:08] <crutchy_> oky doky
[01:41:45] <crutchy_> ~define pi
[01:41:46] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3pi: The transcendental number which refers to the definition (in which it is multiplied by the radius of a circle) of the area of the circle. (or if multiplied by the diameter, defines the circumfrence).
[01:41:53] <arti> mosasaurs, ichthyosaurs, pterosaurs, plesiosaurs, and Dimetrodon are commonly believed to be dinosaurs, they are not technically dinosaurs. The term “dinosaur” refers to just land-dwelling reptiles that have a specific hip structure, among other traits.
[01:42:19] <SpallsHurgenson> good to know.
[01:42:45] <arti> this will be on the test
[01:42:51] <crutchy_> so... democrats?
[01:42:58] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, talk to JamesNZ about that. He's the one doing the test
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[01:43:24] <JamesNZ> I refuse!
[01:43:52] <SpallsHurgenson> you can't; I already imagined you running out in a panic to take the test.
[01:44:22] <JamesNZ> I reject your reality and substitute my own.
[01:45:13] * crutchy_ is baffled about the male preoccupation with watching other men play with balls. often sweaty and scantily clad with plenty of groping
[01:45:19] <SpallsHurgenson> I hope your reality doesn't have marshmallow. I ///LOATHE\\\ marshmallow
[01:45:46] <JamesNZ> :D
[01:46:03] <crutchy_> I think I must be de-male
[01:46:03] * JamesNZ slips marshmallow zombies into SpallsHurgenson's reality
[01:46:36] <JamesNZ> It's called being "heterosexual".
[01:46:44] <SpallsHurgenson> now I know how Ray Stantz felt
[01:46:45] <JamesNZ> Very rare, so I'm told :P
[01:48:11] <arti> these are pretty cool https://imgur.com
[01:48:11] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Realistic finger paintings by Zaria Forman - Imgur
[01:48:39] <crutchy_> men watching other men doing something the men watching wish they could do. which has nothing to do with women
[01:49:01] <crutchy_> definition of spectator sport
[01:49:56] <crutchy_> cos women dont play sport. they are entertainers :p
[01:50:08] * crutchy_ hides from Konomi
[01:50:20] * JamesNZ sets the feminazis on crutchy_
[01:50:49] <arti> sport ist mord
[01:55:18] * SpallsHurgenson decides on what movie to watch: Ghostbusters
[01:55:45] <arti> oh that's excellent
[01:56:37] <JamesNZ> https://www.youtube.com
[01:56:37] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Ghostbusters vs Mythbusters. Epic Rap Battles of History Season 4. - YouTube
[01:57:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - EETimes Picks the SBC Projects of 2014 - http://sylnt.us - merging-with-AT&T
[02:00:57] * SpallsHurgenson looks at the Pi miniMac and is amazed once again at how powerful and small our computers have become
[02:02:42] <SpallsHurgenson> I love living in the future :)
[02:10:10] <SpallsHurgenson> when I was a kid, it was always my goal to live in the future when I grew up
[02:17:53] <crutchy_> http://www.presstv.ir
[02:17:55] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03PressTV - US military drops weapons in areas held by ISIL in Iraq ( http://www.presstv.ir )
[02:18:23] <crutchy_> this is what rand paul has been warning the senate about for months
[02:21:18] <crutchy_> american politics is so corrupt
[02:23:00] <crutchy_> usa will never again be able to lecture any country about corruption or moral standards without being laughed at
[02:24:16] <SpallsHurgenson> well, not without a major housecleaning.
[02:24:23] <crutchy_> feel sorry for regular hardworking americans. you guys getting fucked so bad :/
[02:26:10] <SpallsHurgenson> that's alright; we still have MTV and 5000 nuclear bombs, so we're doin' alright :)
[02:28:32] <crutchy_> I dont think the nukes ever did you any favors
[02:28:59] <SpallsHurgenson> they glow so prettily at night though :)
[02:29:40] <crutchy_> true. apparently the silos can be converted into nice homes too
[02:30:12] <SpallsHurgenson> or top-secret teleportation research labs :)
[02:31:16] <crutchy_> what kind of crazy shit must the launch officers got up to just waiting decades for the russians to attack
[02:31:53] <SpallsHurgenson> not so bad; just prop open the doors, call for pizza delivery and watch porn all day :)
[02:33:16] <crutchy_> or play the silo level from goldeneye... IN REAL LIFE!!! zomg jealous
[02:34:01] <SpallsHurgenson> (this movie has so many awesomely classic lines)
[02:36:45] <chromas> it's why modern movies suck
[02:37:03] <chromas> the '80s movies used up all the cool lines
[02:37:07] <SpallsHurgenson> most movies that were released back then sucked too
[02:37:15] <SpallsHurgenson> we only remember the good ones :)
[02:37:27] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean... Night of the Comet?
[02:38:31] <chromas> sssh, don't point out selective memory
[02:38:54] <chromas> everything was great; it was the age of the golden showers
[02:39:46] <SpallsHurgenson> o_0
[02:40:02] <chromas> golden age?
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[03:22:07] <SpallsHurgenson> I should go read a book or something
[03:24:40] <Konomi> watch a video of someone reading a book
[03:25:42] <chromas> watch book review videos
[03:25:45] <SpallsHurgenson> no, I prefer the interactivity. is there a computer game where I can play reading a book?
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[03:27:36] <Ethanol-fueled> man, I'm drun,k
[03:27:42] <Ethanol-fueled> but I'm not here to fight.
[03:27:52] <arti> what'cha drinking
[03:28:13] <Ethanol-fueled> The usual: Gallo Sauvignon Blanc.
[03:28:21] <SpallsHurgenson> (Gozer has very '80s hair... apparently the overly hair-sprayed look was big in Olympus)
[03:28:55] <Ethanol-fueled> I am herer to drop the bomb. If you can read it, you will become a better man(or woman)
[03:29:21] <Ethanol-fueled> http://en.wikipedia.org
[03:29:21] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: The Brothers Karamazov
[03:29:51] <Ethanol-fueled> It is the all-encompassing book of life. It answers all qqquestions.
[03:30:17] <Ethanol-fueled> Freud himself called it the most magnificent novel ever written.
[03:30:51] <Ethanol-fueled> It's thick, verbose.
[03:31:12] <Ethanol-fueled> But answers all questions about human nature, god, religion,
[03:32:10] <crutchy_> eth, ciri has been enlightening us
[03:32:43] <Ethanol-fueled> ciri should spew randon quotes from the Brothers Karamazov:
[03:32:45] <chromas> ciri has all the answers as well
[03:32:50] <Ethanol-fueled> Let me train ciri:
[03:33:23] <crutchy_> in #
[03:33:47] <crutchy_> safer in the batcave
[03:33:58] <Ethanol-fueled> “Above all, don't lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love.”
[03:34:27] <crutchy_> we can all get cosy in the dark together
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[03:34:36] <Ethanol-fueled> “I think the devil doesn't exist, but man has created him, he has created him in his own image and likeness.”
[03:35:02] <Ethanol-fueled> “The more stupid one is, the closer one is to reality. The more stupid one is, the clearer one is. Stupidity is brief and artless, while intelligence squirms and hides itself. Intelligence is unprincipled, but stupidity is honest and straightforward.”
[03:35:43] <Ethanol-fueled> Remember particularly that you cannot be a judge of anyone. For no one can judge a criminal until he recognizes that he is just such a criminal as the man standing before him, and that he perhaps is more than all men to blame for that crime. When he understands that, he will be able to be a judge. Though that sounds absurd, it is true. If I had been righteous myself, perhaps there would have been no criminal standing before me. If y
[03:37:14] <Ethanol-fueled> " Above all, avoid lies, all lies, especially the lie to yourself. Keep watch on your own lie and examine it every hour, every minute. And avoid contempt, both of others and of yourself: what seems bad to you in yourself is purified by the very fact that you have noticed it in yourself. And avoid fear, though fear is simply the consequence of every lie. Never be frightened at your own faintheartedness in attaining love, and meanwhil
[03:38:47] <Ethanol-fueled> “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his res
[03:42:33] * SpallsHurgenson debates watching the sequel but decides one movie per night is enough
[03:43:08] <crutchy_> its ok pr0nz doesnt count as a movie
[03:43:48] <crutchy_> its discovery channel
[03:44:33] <Ethanol-fueled> NIGGERS!!!!!
[03:44:36] <Ethanol-fueled> OH SHIT
[03:44:43] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm gobnn aget banned.
[03:44:58] <Ethanol-fueled> fuck, i'm scred.
[03:44:58] <chromas> /join # no banning there
[03:45:12] <chromas> and ciri will join in with you
[03:45:35] <SpallsHurgenson> where's the fun of IRC if people can't get randomly banned?
[03:45:42] <crutchy_> need a porno narrated by david attenborough
[03:45:48] <Ethanol-fueled> spalls, FUCK YOU NIGGA
[03:45:52] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHHAHAHAHHAAAHAHAH
[03:47:00] <SpallsHurgenson> documentary porn?
[03:47:39] <SpallsHurgenson> probably been done
[03:47:46] <Ethanol-fueled> FUCK OFF FAGGOT
[03:48:09] * JamesNZ sings Christmas carols in Ethanol-fueled's ear
[03:48:10] * SpallsHurgenson assigns crutchy to research this
[03:48:24] <JamesNZ> Very calming so I've heard :P
[03:51:10] <SpallsHurgenson> I really need to invest in upgrading my lan to gigabit
[03:51:31] <Ethanol-fueled> SUCK MY DICK
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[03:52:07] <Ethanol-fueled> FUCK OFF.
[03:52:15] <crutchy_> you ok dude?
[03:52:26] <Ethanol-fueled> no, crutchy, I'm not.
[03:52:31] <crutchy_> you seem very fidgetty
[03:52:42] <Ethanol-fueled> No shit, sherlock
[03:53:17] <chromas> Ethanol-fueled: are you working up to the next song?
[03:53:17] <Ethanol-fueled> Plowing fucking cunts.
[03:53:26] <crutchy_> maybe hop in a cold bath for a bit
[03:53:26] <Ethanol-fueled> chromas, no.
[03:53:29] <SpallsHurgenson> I remember when 100mbit was so amazingly fast.
[03:53:41] <Ethanol-fueled> fuck you sodsucks.
[03:53:41] <SpallsHurgenson> why does everything seem to get slower as I get older?
[03:53:55] <Ethanol-fueled> spalls, beacuse you're a vagine,
[03:54:14] <Ethanol-fueled> FUCK CYOU
[03:55:49] <Ethanol-fueled> fuck you,
[03:56:00] <Ethanol-fueled> macaroni and cheese
[03:56:18] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm going to pass out
[03:56:22] <Ethanol-fueled> bye bye
[03:56:24] <arti> god speed
[03:56:35] <Ethanol-fueled> no I'm not.
[03:56:42] <Ethanol-fueled> hi arti
[03:56:42] <ciri> hello Ethanol-fueled
[03:56:49] <arti> hello ciri
[03:56:51] <ciri> hello, whats up arti
[03:56:56] <arti> e-f
[03:56:58] <crutchy_> hows the programmererererin eth?
[03:57:04] <SpallsHurgenson> god speed... is that terrabit/s?
[03:57:19] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy_ I don't know how to program.
[03:57:41] <crutchy_> thats ok. me neither
[03:58:09] <chromas> ef's been possessed by a VB-wielding mba
[03:59:08] <crutchy_> ciri: will eth pass out?
[04:00:39] <arti> vb was awesome
[04:00:57] <arti> it was a total hack
[04:01:18] <arti> it had awesome worts, too
[04:01:22] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't think those three words were ever used together in that sentence before, arti
[04:02:03] <arti> hey at least it wasn't a vulnerability written in mighty c that was around for 20+ years
[04:02:55] <SpallsHurgenson> (although there probably isn't anyone here who /hasn't/ thrown together an embarrasing hack program in VB at one time or another... not that we'd ever admit it :)
[04:03:27] <arti> bailing wire and duct tape
[04:03:44] <arti> you'd be surprised how much of that powers the world
[04:04:06] <SpallsHurgenson> actually, no I wouldn't. I laid down enough of it :)
[04:04:12] <arti> i'll take the vb app over the complex series of excel workbooks
[04:04:42] <SpallsHurgenson> but excel is what runs the business! every business! every aspect of the business!
[04:04:53] <arti> :D
[04:05:16] <Ethanol-fueled> man, I'm just enjoyig life.
[04:05:25] <Ethanol-fueled> I hope you all are too.
[04:05:47] <Ethanol-fueled> And if you arent....you should listen to GG alin
[04:05:47] <crutchy_> I went from toolbook 2 to filemaker pro to microsoft access to delphi to lamp. each one was awesome when I was learning
[04:06:11] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah... and for every step of that you had to figure out how to import data from excel :)
[04:06:11] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm going to risk being banned.
[04:06:17] <arti> filemaker pro
[04:06:20] <Ethanol-fueled> To drop a bomb on yhou.
[04:07:02] <arti> access, powered a few sites i've worked on in the late 2000s, old sites
[04:07:13] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[04:07:14] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03GG Allin - Xmas Song - YouTube
[04:09:34] <SpallsHurgenson> arti: running on a dusty old pentium in the corner?
[04:10:51] <arti> felt like it, they also had an NT4 mailserver that would get swamped with spam
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[04:11:23] <crutchy_> access can do a fair bit with vba. gets a bit tricky when you butt up against the 255 jet connection limit
[04:11:42] <SpallsHurgenson> although I'll give the business world this much... they are finally seeming to figure out that back ups are important :)
[04:12:16] <crutchy_> company I work for just spent a crapload on backup jnfrastructure
[04:12:48] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean, half the time they don't get it right, but at least it's on their minds :)
[04:13:01] * arti recalls a chewing out by the owner
[04:13:08] <SpallsHurgenson> just think, by 2040 they'll probably start investing in network security!
[04:13:32] <arti> not directed at me, but someone in IT 'apparently backing up around here means, *starts walking backwards* 'look, i'm backing up!'"
[04:14:10] <arti> "invest" you mean outsource?
[04:14:11] <SpallsHurgenson> *beep*beep*beep*beep*
[04:15:35] <SpallsHurgenson> the paranoid part of my brain thinks that all these recent major hacks (Sony, Xbox live, etc) are encouraged by the gov't to spur support for more gov't network monitoring and controls :)
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[04:18:50] <SpallsHurgenson> fortunately, I don't let that part of my brain out very much.
[04:19:29] <crutchy_> the disturbing part is that it seems like the logically simplest explanation
[04:20:32] <crutchy_> or the disgruntled layed off ex-it employee giving secrets to some korean government spy :-/
[04:21:29] <SpallsHurgenson> alternately, the Sony hack was corporate espionage and sabotage. GOP were hired-goons for some other company
[04:21:39] <crutchy_> I'm not american so it doesnt really matter anyway, but nothing that comes out of washington dc is trustworthy
[04:22:57] <SpallsHurgenson> people give to much credence to the myth of us governmental omnipotence
[04:23:10] <SpallsHurgenson> they run on excel too :)
[04:26:33] <SpallsHurgenson> half the evil things they do is accidental :)
[04:28:36] <crutchy_> "it looks like you're trying to invade an impoverished country on the other side of the planet. would you like some help with that?"
[04:28:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - “Smart” Software Can Be Tricked into Seeing What Isn’t There. - http://sylnt.us - applied-solipsism
[04:29:15] <SpallsHurgenson> that's almost relevant. bender's getting too smart :)
[04:29:30] <crutchy_> solipsism? thats gotta be bytram
[04:29:44] <Konomi> there will always be hacks
[04:29:46] <Konomi> hacks are good
[04:29:59] <Konomi> they keep the internet immune system healthy so to speak
[04:30:09] <crutchy_> lol nah it was laminatorx :p
[04:30:09] <ciri> rofl
[04:30:13] <Konomi> if no one was exploiting things they'd never get fixed
[04:30:26] <Konomi> and our software quality would suffer from it
[04:30:36] <SpallsHurgenson> not so much an internet immune system as necessary viruses to keep the immune system strong :)
[04:31:11] <crutchy_> the most dangerous condition for software developers is the assumption of security
[04:31:24] <crutchy_> thats why tor is so dangerous
[04:31:34] <Konomi> huh?
[04:31:38] <crutchy_> everyone thinks its safe
[04:31:56] <SpallsHurgenson> without kiddie hacks would we have as clear an understanding of how TLAs and corporations can - and have - broken our security (e.g., with compromised router firmwares, for instance)
[04:32:19] <crutchy_> will make the shock that much bigger when flaws are discovered
[04:32:28] <Konomi> eh gad gotta start a reddit called SCS shit crutchy_ says
[04:32:50] <crutchy_> scs shit?
[04:33:04] <crutchy_> I never used reddit
[04:33:18] <Konomi> honestly I'll go with the glowing opinion from the leaked nsa documents on tor
[04:33:20] <crutchy_> except to look at links posted here
[04:33:28] <Konomi> basically calling it the best low latency anonyminity network around
[04:33:40] <crutchy_> ...for now
[04:33:52] <chromas> 'leaked'
[04:34:04] <Konomi> probably forever considering it's actively developed
[04:34:10] <Konomi> and researched
[04:34:12] <crutchy_> tor doesnt leak. its onion-tight
[04:35:06] <crutchy_> I think you might be surprised what might be coming round the corner for tor
[04:35:22] <crutchy_> I dont know. but hackers are smart
[04:35:49] <crutchy_> it will be cracked or broken. its just a question of when
[04:36:18] <crutchy_> and I'm only assuming it hasnt already been
[04:36:33] <Konomi> it hasn't as far as people know.
[04:36:50] <Konomi> there's no such thing as a sure result though
[04:37:08] <crutchy_> true. hence my scepticism
[04:37:16] <Konomi> so not using something cause some idiot thinks it has to be perfect now and all the way into the future is stupid
[04:37:29] <crutchy_> nothing is completely secure forever
[04:37:38] <Konomi> nothing has to be
[04:37:41] <Konomi> it just has to keep up with the times
[04:37:49] <Konomi> like every other peice of software we use
[04:38:10] <crutchy_> difference is that we assume other software is buggy
[04:38:31] <crutchy_> people seem to assume tor is secure
[04:38:33] <Konomi> tor is currently the best software for remaining anonymous with general net usage and probably will be for the future
[04:38:37] <Konomi> that's why it should be used
[04:38:47] <Konomi> cause there isn't anything better or as actively worked on
[04:39:05] <crutchy_> its also the biggest target
[04:39:06] <Konomi> it doesn't have to live up to the loony peoples idea of "secure"
[04:39:14] <Konomi> so what
[04:39:28] <SpallsHurgenson> the best software for anonymity is Windows running on a computer in an internet cafe where you paid cash :)
[04:39:29] <Konomi> back to making it be better by it being attacked more
[04:40:04] <Konomi> SpallsHurgenson: considering dread pirate roberts of the first iteration of silk road got busted in a computer cafe I wouldn't be so sure ;p
[04:40:15] <crutchy_> same could be said of bulletproof glass. but would you stand behind it whole people are shooting at you?
[04:40:26] <crutchy_> *while
[04:40:30] <Konomi> I would if I had a reason to
[04:40:37] <SpallsHurgenson> well, you never use the same computer twice of course :)
[04:40:51] <Konomi> SpallsHurgenson: time correlation ;p
[04:41:06] <SpallsHurgenson> pay cash and wear a big hat :)
[04:41:11] <chromas> go to café, install proxy software
[04:41:20] <Konomi> you'd be better off just war driving
[04:41:22] <SpallsHurgenson> can't install stuff on a cafe 'puter :)
[04:41:31] <chromas> 'can\'t'
[04:41:45] <chromas> you just disable deepfreeze
[04:41:56] <crutchy_> the authorities are going to treat the use of tor as some kind of bullshit terrorist activity. and when they bust it open tor users are gunna get nice orange jumpsuits
[04:42:05] <Konomi> SpallsHurgenson: I'd be more worried about what's already on it ;p
[04:42:24] <Konomi> crutchy_: mise well stop doing everything and live in a hole then
[04:42:31] <Konomi> cause they might go after xyz
[04:42:35] <crutchy_> just sayin
[04:42:36] <Konomi> they might dislike your irc chat
[04:42:44] <Konomi> they MIGHT dislike your underware colour!
[04:42:44] <crutchy_> true that
[04:42:57] <Konomi> omg the mights are going to end me I better stop doing everything
[04:43:06] <Konomi> I just might think that arguement is a bit retarded
[04:43:41] <crutchy_> you know theyre after tor though
[04:43:47] <Konomi> don't care
[04:43:58] <Konomi> also the more people using it the less they are going to go after anyone
[04:44:00] <crutchy_> not that I think they should be
[04:44:09] <Konomi> would turn into a p2p war again
[04:44:15] <crutchy_> true
[04:44:21] <Konomi> and you know how well that worked out for movie studio'
[04:44:27] <crutchy_> something else would replace it
[04:44:33] <Konomi> people must've stopped pirating right!?
[04:44:36] <Konomi> cause they might get caught!
[04:44:42] <SpallsHurgenson> if tor isn't a honeypot yet, it will be one soon enough.
[04:44:48] <SpallsHurgenson> time for tor2 :)
[04:44:50] <Konomi> can't by design
[04:44:59] <crutchy_> thats what I worru aboit spalls
[04:45:02] <Konomi> the only risk of honey potting is if you're dumb enough to exit with plain text
[04:45:04] <Konomi> like a retard
[04:45:09] <crutchy_> *worry
[04:45:25] <Konomi> time to do http post through tor to facebook
[04:45:28] <Konomi> totally anonymous now herp
[04:45:53] <SpallsHurgenson> control enough endpoints and it is... and between running their own servers and capturing the rest with malware, I wouldn't put it past them (and that's assuming the software itself isn't compromised)
[04:46:52] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm not entirely sure who They will be, however :) :) :)
[04:47:03] <crutchy_> the nsa has some big infrastructure on huge capacity trunk connections. seems like they could flood the tor network with honeypots
[04:47:07] <chromas> They…um
[04:47:13] <chromas> they'em
[04:47:16] <Konomi> control enough of anything on the net and anyone is fucked
[04:47:24] <Konomi> so moot point there
[04:47:49] <SpallsHurgenson> government (but which), corporate (but which), criminal organization or just individual malcontents... someone will become the TorMaster :)
[04:48:34] <crutchy_> not saying pursuit of security is bad. only assumption of security. problem with tor is that there seems to be a widespread unfounded assumption of security
[04:48:35] <Konomi> they can't flood it with anything
[04:48:56] <Konomi> as far as back dooring into the concenous list it would take them forever
[04:49:16] <Konomi> oh look 50 computers on the same subnet in texas america just decided to be relays and exits
[04:49:22] <Konomi> we'll let them on the concenous list!
[04:49:24] <Konomi> not.
[04:49:54] <crutchy_> how can you tell though? arent they meant to be annonymous?
[04:50:09] <Konomi> the data is anonymous the network is segmented
[04:50:23] <Konomi> the way you ask questions about the most fucking basic aspects of tor shows you don't know enough
[04:50:23] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, fifty computers across the world secretly compromised by NSA_bugnet decided to be relays and exits... no reason we can see not to let them in :)
[04:50:27] <crutchy_> could be proxied
[04:50:33] <Konomi> yet half the fucking channel is happy to spout theories while not knowing shit.
[04:50:54] <crutchy_> I know I dont know
[04:51:06] <crutchy_> im not trying to be an expert
[04:51:51] <crutchy_> im an internet security dumarse
[04:52:12] <crutchy_> actually im just an internet dumarse
[04:52:22] <crutchy_> or a dumarse :p
[04:52:48] * SpallsHurgenson introduces crutchy to the letter "b"
[04:54:41] <Konomi> there has been one valid attack on tor I know of adn it was done by a bunch of researches and it did defeat the onion routing to a degree
[04:54:42] <chromas> I am reminded of that tv ad. M&Ms or something
[04:54:55] <Konomi> by putting a chunk of random identifying data in the tor protocol header
[04:55:00] <chromas> "Mr. Dumbass... Mr. Dumbass" "I'ts Du-mas"
[04:55:10] <Konomi> it was patched and the relays were booted form the concencus though
[04:55:25] <Konomi> every other attack that has been known has been something on the user end
[04:55:33] <Konomi> like not updating when some javascript flaw got fixed in firefox
[04:55:58] <crutchy_> it will happen. prolly in a way that nobody envisioned
[04:56:01] <Konomi> every other known example has been an OpSec failure
[04:56:15] <Konomi> you can't know that
[04:56:44] <crutchy_> I suspect it based on history
[04:56:56] <SpallsHurgenson> probably has happened. big organizations have lots of resources to throw at these sorts of problems... and some of them are very good at keeping secrets.
[04:57:10] <Konomi> yeah just like the nsa oohhh waittt
[04:57:10] <Konomi> ;p
[04:57:43] <SpallsHurgenson> WHAT the nsa is doing is slowly coming out (after twenty years in the dark). How is still very much unknown
[04:58:06] <Konomi> the nsa leaks were a relief
[04:58:18] <Konomi> cause it showed that they can't crack the math and they still go for the low hanging fruit
[04:58:25] <SpallsHurgenson> I would wager real money that a lot of what they are admitting to are old secrets they are no longer dependent on
[04:58:55] <Konomi> they've never really admitted to anything all the stuff we know is from snowden
[04:58:55] <crutchy_> anyway. im only concerned cos I think regular innocent users may be caught up in accusations of illegal activity that tor is known and targeted for. I dont use it so it doesnt affect me either way
[04:58:55] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm... the preposition at end of that sentence hurts my brain. "on which they are no longer dependent." better :)
[04:59:32] <Konomi> worry about things you can't quantify is retarded and it's that simple
[04:59:47] <crutchy_> fair enough
[04:59:56] <crutchy_> your prolly right
[04:59:57] <SpallsHurgenson> worrying about things we can't quantify is how we start to quantify them in the first place :)
[05:00:10] <Konomi> SpallsHurgenson: I await your quantifcation of god
[05:00:12] <Konomi> off you go
[05:00:14] <SpallsHurgenson> a question never asked is never answered :)
[05:00:34] <SpallsHurgenson> konomi: just because I can't ANSWER it yet doesnt' mean it's not worth thinking about
[05:00:52] <Konomi> can you ever answer it is a better question.
[05:01:10] <SpallsHurgenson> first we need to work on the definition :)
[05:01:26] <SpallsHurgenson> sort of like we need to define "intelligence" before we can really get an AI :)
[05:01:33] <Konomi> not getting caught on syntax the question is obvious
[05:02:05] <Konomi> is it worth the mental time to think about questiions which you can never answer?
[05:02:36] <SpallsHurgenson> who says they cannot be answered? I prefer not to limit myself that way.
[05:02:41] <crutchy_> god is tricky cos atheists usually have no concept of god so its difficult to argue with them about it. they simply deny because they dont understand
[05:03:05] <SpallsHurgenson> anyway, my kitty has informed me the answer is obvious: she is god, the center and purpose of all creation.
[05:03:17] <SpallsHurgenson> I've yet to find a way to prove her wrong :)
[05:03:18] <crutchy_> science cant answer all questions. so the god question may just be one thats in the future for them
[05:05:17] <crutchy_> I dont personally believe in god. but science hasnt explained a lot of things so I attribute paranormal activity to what we dont yet understamd. some might call that a higher power
[05:06:23] <SpallsHurgenson> never seen anything paranormal. :(
[05:06:25] <chromas> god isn't that hard to define. Take a religion. they have a specific definition of one or more gods
[05:07:42] <chromas> so you don't have to ask "does god exist?" but "does jewish god exist? or rah?" or whichever
[05:07:43] <crutchy_> its usually based on something paranormal
[05:07:59] <SpallsHurgenson> but most of those gods "supernatural abilities" can be defined by Clarkian super-science :)
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[05:09:20] * SpallsHurgenson watches the bytes slowly flow over his internal network, from one computer to the next... have I mentioned I really should upgrade to gigabit internally?
[05:11:11] * SpallsHurgenson starts tallying up the cost... switches, cables... maybe even a new computer (don't think think the "server" supports gigabit)... <sigh>
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[05:28:39] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmmm.... apparently all my nics are gigabit. so now it's just down to switches, routers and cable (most of what I got is the crummiest, oldest cat5 known to man :)
[05:31:18] <Konomi> my laptop is still 100mbit sadly
[05:31:20] <Konomi> and usb2
[05:33:08] <SpallsHurgenson> could be worse; could be transferring over 802.11g and its if-you're-lucky 54mbit limit :)
[05:33:34] <Konomi> I restricted our router to g
[05:33:44] <Konomi> stops anyone saturating the net link
[05:38:36] <SpallsHurgenson> I have a couple of older g-only laptops hanging about, so I'm stuck at 54-mbit too
[05:39:05] <SpallsHurgenson> not much of an issue since I don't really transfer much data wirelessly anyway
[05:40:07] <SpallsHurgenson> and god knows my pitiful internet connection is never going to saturate the wireless links :) :)
[05:55:28] <crutchy_> konomi you gots a kickarse internet dont ya?
[05:55:43] <crutchy_> 100+mbps or summin
[05:56:46] <arti> :|
[05:57:11] <crutchy_> you might be one of the few with use for n
[05:57:13] <SpallsHurgenson> wow, 100mbps! you could probably download the whole internet in an hour with that much speed! :)
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[05:57:37] <crutchy_> its kickarse compared to my 10-12mbps
[05:57:39] <Konomi> yep
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[05:58:25] <crutchy_> konomi might be jealous of xlefays internet though :p
[05:59:23] <crutchy_> or maybe it was for his host provider. cant remember but I remember the speedtest screencap was insane
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[06:00:38] <SpallsHurgenson> just a big error message that says, "look, maybe it'd just be better if you speedtest US!" :)
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[06:00:46] <crutchy_> lol
[06:01:08] <crutchy_> ~last xlefay
[06:01:24] <crutchy_> where is that punk?
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[06:01:56] <SpallsHurgenson> I am sensing that Tachyon may be having connection issues
[06:02:17] <arti> maybe he's pulsing...
[06:02:25] <crutchy_> these are not the connections you're looking for
[06:02:37] <crutchy_> *waves hand*
[06:02:38] <SpallsHurgenson> pulsing? but there are children present!
[06:02:46] <SpallsHurgenson> ~define pulsing
[06:02:48] <arti> if jeb bush and hillary clinton are the two choices for president in 2016, which country will you move to?
[06:02:48] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3Pulsing: The gentle rectal pushing to check if you need to do a poo. Often accompanied by a vacant gaze up and to the left. Generally 2-3 pulses is sufficient to get confident whether you need to poop yet or i...
[06:03:03] <arti> also, noot noot.
[06:03:04] <crutchy_> err
[06:03:20] * SpallsHurgenson facepalms "I just had to ask"
[06:03:30] <crutchy_> arti, you teaching my pyewta gross things
[06:04:10] <SpallsHurgenson> I would move to Europa
[06:04:13] <crutchy_> innocent bots are listening
[06:04:25] <crutchy_> like ciri :p
[06:04:33] <arti> noot noot?
[06:05:12] <crutchy_> oh I tgought you said snoosnoo
[06:05:23] <arti> death by snoosnoo
[06:06:18] <SpallsHurgenson> even at 390 million miles away, I doubt my internet could be any slower on Europa than it is now :)
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[06:11:33] <exec> last privmsg for xlefay in #soylent: [2014-09-02 08:16:21] I need to eat some and get some sleep. I'll tty'all later ;-) Take care!
[06:13:34] <crutchy_> :(
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[06:13:43] <arti> !idle
[06:13:43] <ciri> sirecote hasn't said a word for 186308 minutes :/
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[06:23:06] <crutchy_> ++coffee
[06:23:06] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 205
[06:23:33] <crutchy_> back home again yay!
[06:24:08] <arti> yes... "yay"
[06:24:43] <crutchy_> i like home
[06:25:18] <crutchy_> not as secure as tor but safe enough :p
[06:25:30] <arti> ich mag heimat
[06:27:17] <crutchy_> hmm i see yes. and what do you think about manta rays?
[06:27:45] <arti> sehr süss :D
[06:28:17] <arti> magst du meer katzen?
[06:28:43] <crutchy_> das ist mein hamburger
[06:29:20] * arti eyes it
[06:29:38] * arti rotates the sausages
[06:33:16] * crutchy_ is having chicken salt with some chips
[06:33:48] * chromas pokes arti's sausage
[06:34:09] <crutchy_> i guess you guys call them fries
[06:34:31] * crutchy_ fries arti's sausage
[06:36:55] <chromas> yeah, chips are the thin-slices fried puhtaters
[06:37:08] <chromas> instead of calling them crisps
[06:38:03] <crutchy_> guess you heard of this already
[06:38:06] <crutchy_> http://www.skynews.com.au
[06:38:08] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03AirAsia says missing jet hit by bad weather
[06:38:38] <chromas> how do they know what weather it hit if it's missing?
[06:39:00] <chromas> "another jet found missing"
[06:39:51] <crutchy_> cos they don't want to admit that the monster that was living in the bermuda triangle now lives near indonesia
[06:40:14] <crutchy_> hehe "found missing" just got it
[06:40:41] <crutchy_> "it's not lost! we just don't know where it is"
[06:41:00] <chromas> you know what the bermuda triangle monster really is? systemd
[06:41:19] <crutchy_> weatherctl crash plane
[06:42:51] <crutchy_> looks like it rerouted due to bad weather. they must have been snaffled by a mitm attack
[06:43:07] <crutchy_> should have flown AirOnion
[06:44:08] <crutchy_> "No Australians were on board."
[06:44:22] <crutchy_> phew. we don't have to give a fuck
[06:45:41] <crutchy_> they should just send CNN reporters to malaysia. they'll find the plane
[06:46:27] <crutchy_> especially if you tell them they can interview the dead survivors :p
[06:47:42] <crutchy_> http://www.hindustantimes.com
[06:47:42] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03After comparing Obama to 'monkey', North Korea suffers new internet outage - Hindustan Times
[06:47:55] <crutchy_> now now that's just unfair to monkeys
[06:51:37] <arti> lol
[06:51:55] <arti> no problems occured when bush was called/compared to a monkey
[06:53:37] <Konomi> monkey leaders
[06:54:22] <arti> drop the k and you've got it
[06:54:37] <Konomi> they just want your blood
[06:54:45] <arti> which is why i donate :D
[06:55:06] <Konomi> mpv seems to have a basic ui now
[06:55:55] <crutchy_> comparing bush to a monkey would lead to a cruelty to animals lawsuit
[06:56:14] <arti> lawsuits are what lawyers wear
[06:56:41] <crutchy_> they have armor that goes up to 11
[06:56:52] <Konomi> abbott kinda looks like a monkey too now I think about it
[06:56:56] <Konomi> monkey leaders future of the world?
[06:57:08] <crutchy_> abbott's a fucking turd
[06:57:29] <crutchy_> actually i've pushed out shits that look better than him
[06:58:00] <arti> abbott and costello
[06:58:03] <Konomi> he is a slimey little jerk
[06:58:12] <crutchy_> arti, we'll give you abbott if you give us rand paul
[06:58:25] <crutchy_> i'd take his dad but he's retired
[06:58:28] <Konomi> I think you'd have to go back a far way to find a good politican
[06:58:29] <arti> take either bush or clinton
[06:58:33] <Konomi> so many of them are weasels now
[06:58:51] <Konomi> their "image" is so managed they're not people at all
[06:58:58] <crutchy_> ron paul was the last true statesman
[06:59:07] <crutchy_> his son might do better than most though
[06:59:39] <Konomi> I personally wish scott lundam was in charge
[06:59:43] <Konomi> never gonna happen though
[06:59:45] <Konomi> too much sense made
[07:00:00] <crutchy_> he's not a big government crony is he?
[07:00:06] <crutchy_> never heard of him tbh
[07:00:19] <Konomi> he's pretty cool WA greens senator
[07:00:28] <Konomi> always in the news for speaking up against internet filters etc
[07:00:58] <crutchy_> as long as he doesn't waste a shitload of taxpayer money and pays down some of the debt i'm all for him
[07:01:40] <Konomi> au probably needs tro increase taxes tbh
[07:01:48] <Konomi> we have the lowest overall tax rate of most ocd countries
[07:02:13] <Konomi> problem is they want to increase the gst
[07:02:18] <crutchy_> i pay over a third in tax though
[07:02:21] <Konomi> flat non progressive tax that fucks the small people first
[07:02:30] <Konomi> they don't want to go after the high end of town that buys them off
[07:02:57] <crutchy_> my dad is on the high end. almost half his pay goes to the government
[07:03:11] <Konomi> your dad needs a better accountant ;p
[07:03:26] <Konomi> if you know how to shift money/assets around there are so many loop holes
[07:03:34] <crutchy_> there aren't as many loopholes as some lobbyists would have you believe
[07:03:52] <crutchy_> if you break the law there are as many loopholes as you like
[07:03:55] <Konomi> judging from the numbers there's plenty for corporations
[07:04:28] <crutchy_> corporations shouldn't pay any tax. they merely pass it onto customers anyway
[07:04:50] <crutchy_> employees, customers, shareholders, etc all pay tax
[07:07:31] <crutchy_> if you wanna tax corporations more why not be honest about it and just hike the gst
[07:07:34] <Konomi> http://comparativetaxation.treasury.gov.au
[07:07:42] <Konomi> wow at hungary' personal tax rate
[07:09:34] <crutchy_> looks like we're in the middle there somewhere
[07:10:02] <crutchy_> we might be able to afford a small tax hike, but would make it harder for working families
[07:10:26] <crutchy_> my dad is a shiftworker, not some overpaid executive
[07:10:31] <Konomi> everything is going to get hard from this point
[07:10:36] <Konomi> wages aren't going up but inflation is
[07:10:44] <crutchy_> true
[07:10:47] <Konomi> been happening since the 70s
[07:11:05] <crutchy_> they need to raise interest rates
[07:11:14] <arti> tell them to spend less
[07:11:18] <arti> also, salary caps
[07:11:19] <crutchy_> that would put pressure on prices to fall
[07:11:25] <crutchy_> lol @ arti
[07:11:26] <ciri> hehehe
[07:11:50] <arti> how come executive jobs aren't outsourced? seems those could save the company a lot of money
[07:11:50] <ciri> doing good, and you?
[07:11:55] <Konomi> it's a circular system unfortunatly
[07:11:55] <crutchy_> did you see that video taken at the dnc talking about banning corporate profits?
[07:12:03] <Konomi> to pay employees people need to buy things
[07:12:16] <arti> i mean government programs
[07:12:16] <Konomi> to buy things we need to waste more resources
[07:12:37] <crutchy_> low interest rates hurt retirees, and if retirees can't finance themselves, then everyone else pays
[07:12:53] <crutchy_> higher interest rates => higher savings
[07:13:04] <arti> the more you spend, the more you save!
[07:13:09] <crutchy_> yeah!
[07:13:11] <crutchy_> lol
[07:13:27] <crutchy_> if they're on special, you should buy 10 just to save more!
[07:14:24] <crutchy_> sometimes i wonder whether my wife thinks something will cost less if its put on layby :/
[07:14:33] <crutchy_> i fucking hate layby
[07:14:39] <arti> is it for laypeople?
[07:14:55] <crutchy_> i think its for welfare bludgers
[07:15:06] <Konomi> arti: layby basically means you put a deposit on an item and pay it off
[07:15:13] <Konomi> it's not like renting an object etc
[07:15:27] <Konomi> the object gets taken off the shelf and put away while you pay it off slowly then you own it at the end
[07:15:41] <Konomi> just in case the word in another country is different ;p
[07:15:41] <crutchy_> for people lacking discipline to save the money themselves
[07:15:43] * arti is familiar with it
[07:15:53] <arti> layaway here
[07:16:05] <Konomi> my grandparents used to use it etc
[07:16:11] <arti> indeed, good times.
[07:16:15] <Konomi> probably the more responsible version of not having a credit card
[07:16:22] <arti> but now you get points :D
[07:16:25] <crutchy_> i guess the whole world financial system is set up to push people into spending money in all ways possible
[07:16:29] <Konomi> cause if you're not getting interest you're paying for it
[07:16:34] <Konomi> interest has to come from somewhere
[07:16:42] <Konomi> and it's generally someone else who is paying for it
[07:16:48] <arti> i find low cut blouses on ladies work wonders
[07:16:59] <crutchy_> generates a lot of interest
[07:17:12] <arti> quite.
[07:17:14] <Konomi> for knuckle draggers sure ;p
[07:17:30] <crutchy_> that's Mr. Knuckle Dragger to you :p
[07:17:43] <Konomi> oh I thought it was Miss my bad ~
[07:18:00] * arti snickers
[07:18:11] <crutchy_> Konomi, would you really want me as a member of your species?
[07:18:13] <Konomi> but yeah
[07:18:18] <arti> there you have it
[07:18:19] <Konomi> if you've got an account with just savings in it
[07:18:22] <Konomi> and it's getting interest
[07:18:26] <Konomi> money has to come from somewhere
[07:18:34] <Konomi> ergo someone else is paying for cash that does nothing
[07:18:40] <crutchy_> banks create it out of thin air
[07:18:48] <crutchy_> fractional reserve banking
[07:18:51] <Konomi> joys of a fiat currency
[07:18:55] <arti> it's great!
[07:19:02] <arti> you trade real stuff for fake money!
[07:19:03] <Konomi> you can't have interest without a fiat currency
[07:19:23] <Konomi> that's actually what makes bitcoin pretty cool
[07:19:26] <crutchy_> will be interesting to see if sweden votes for a gold backed franc
[07:19:30] <Konomi> blockchain is on everyone's pc who uses it
[07:19:40] <Konomi> so it works more like gold/silver etc
[07:19:49] <Konomi> I'm kinda wondering how big it will get
[07:20:04] <Konomi> though governments love strangling anything they can't control
[07:20:08] <crutchy_> bitcoin seems more like transaction infrastructure than real backed money
[07:20:18] <Konomi> that's because it isn't being used yet
[07:20:24] <crutchy_> true
[07:20:27] <Konomi> it could be a viral back door into the currency world so to speak
[07:20:48] <crutchy_> will be interesting to see how its used (and possibly abused) in future
[07:20:49] <Konomi> anyone who is a puritain capitalist will love it
[07:20:54] <Konomi> cause you can't devalue the thing
[07:21:11] <crutchy_> it has a floating value doesn't it?
[07:21:13] <Konomi> can't print more bitcoins ho ho
[07:21:22] <Konomi> yeah but you can't make more of it
[07:21:29] <Konomi> there's a certain amount of coins and eventually no one will find more
[07:21:48] <crutchy_> i think the technical people will have a lot of trouble convincing the general population of that
[07:21:53] <Konomi> I hope we find out who actually made it one day
[07:21:58] <crutchy_> it stinks of technocracy
[07:22:04] <Konomi> cause they'd have to be one of the mosts interesting people on the planet
[07:22:13] <arti> probably a group
[07:22:15] <Konomi> old people die fortunatly
[07:22:28] <Konomi> it's both sad and wonderful at the same time
[07:23:03] <crutchy_> if bitcoin were backed by a precious metal i'd be for it
[07:23:05] <Konomi> cause we get rid of the backward gits but we lose anyone who is/was pretty awesome
[07:23:12] <Konomi> doesn't ahve to be
[07:23:26] <Konomi> what gives things worth is what people think has value
[07:23:37] <Konomi> gold is valuable because people see it as rare and therefor give it value
[07:23:39] <crutchy_> that's no different to fiat though
[07:23:44] <Konomi> bitcoins are rare and therefor people give them value
[07:23:46] <crutchy_> gold is rare
[07:23:58] <crutchy_> bitcoins are abstract
[07:23:59] <Konomi> gold is different to fiat because you can't make more of it
[07:24:08] * arti points to reactors
[07:24:16] <Konomi> fiat currency by defintion is a currency where you can easily expand the total pool of currency
[07:24:33] <Konomi> expanding it is where inflation comes from
[07:24:35] <crutchy_> nobody can be sure that bitcoin is immune from that
[07:24:40] <Konomi> and why a dim sim now costs a dollar instead of 50 cents
[07:24:56] <arti> all of it yumyum~
[07:24:56] <Konomi> crutchy_: can be more sure than the AUD and gold as well actually
[07:25:16] <Konomi> someone might go to space and find the gold planet!~
[07:25:16] <crutchy_> maybe in the short term
[07:25:21] <crutchy_> true
[07:25:23] <Konomi> no one gonna go to space and find th bitcoin planet
[07:25:42] <crutchy_> there you go with your assumptions again
[07:25:50] <Konomi> bitcoin is kinda democracy in action too
[07:25:59] <Konomi> everyone keeps a record of the block chain and agrees on it
[07:26:00] <crutchy_> assumption is the mother of all fuck ups
[07:26:16] <Konomi> movie quotes best way to live your life ;p
[07:26:30] <crutchy_> its very popular in engineering actually
[07:26:31] <Konomi> althought die hard is much awesome
[07:26:50] <Konomi> maths isn't engineering though
[07:27:03] <Konomi> anything that stays in maths is generally not going to encounter the analog issue
[07:27:11] <crutchy_> no. engineers turn what mathematicians come up with into reality
[07:27:32] <Konomi> things can go wrong in engineering because you're translating a digitial concept to an analogue world
[07:27:42] <Konomi> bitcoin stays in pure binary all the time
[07:28:06] <crutchy_> but you can have real bitcoins, no?
[07:28:12] <crutchy_> it just needs a hash
[07:28:15] <Konomi> can you have real money?
[07:28:15] <crutchy_> or some shit
[07:28:26] <Konomi> or is it simply the value you give it?
[07:28:27] <crutchy_> i mean a physical coin
[07:28:48] <Konomi> why would that matter?
[07:28:59] <crutchy_> physical coins can be counterfeit
[07:29:25] <Konomi> and were a lot back in the day ;p
[07:29:32] <Konomi> victums of inflation
[07:29:37] <crutchy_> even gold coins can be
[07:29:42] <Konomi> where the metal that made the coin was worth more than it's value
[07:30:06] <Konomi> anyway there are some attempts to make bitcoins physical
[07:30:17] <Konomi> but that's jhust embedding your walet key in an object ;p
[07:30:43] <Konomi> think of it as in the concept of a desert island where you have a million dollars
[07:30:51] <Konomi> is a million dollars worth abnything there?
[07:31:01] <crutchy_> i have no doubt that there is a lot of merit in digital currency, and we'll no doubt go that way regardless, but i'm not sure i would go so far as to assume it can't be manipulated
[07:31:08] <Konomi> probably not cause there's no one else around you to agree on how much the money is worth
[07:31:24] <Konomi> well as long as the maths is solid
[07:31:26] <Konomi> it works
[07:31:30] <Konomi> maths can be vetted=
[07:31:40] <crutchy_> so can software, but its full of bugs
[07:31:45] <Konomi> the nice part of a construct is it can always be true
[07:31:57] <arti> the fun part of bitcoin is trading your coins for other currency
[07:32:08] <crutchy_> that's where the usefulness is
[07:32:18] <crutchy_> it seems awesome as a means of transaction
[07:32:19] <Konomi> crutchy_: bugs are just something where we get a result that was undesired
[07:32:26] <Konomi> they are not a flaw in how computers work
[07:32:44] <crutchy_> Konomi, everything works perfectly in theory
[07:32:45] <Konomi> the abstraction we got back wasn't what we wanted
[07:33:26] <Konomi> point is when you have enough perspectives agreeing on something it doesb't change
[07:34:04] <Konomi> never got how people get hung up on this stuff tbh it's quite clear ;p
[07:34:38] <crutchy_> uncertainty is never clear
[07:35:15] <arti> 8ball ask again later?
[07:35:15] <ciri> arti, You wish.
[07:35:26] <crutchy_> and certainty is foolish
[07:36:01] <crutchy_> for nothing is certain :p
[07:37:06] <Konomi> like I said joy of constructs
[07:37:16] <crutchy_> lol
[07:37:17] <crutchy_> <tama> abortions are like Pringles
[07:37:17] <crutchy_> <tama> you require moar lesbian gas!
[07:37:23] <crutchy_> hehe
[07:37:42] <crutchy_> tama++
[07:37:42] <Bender> karma - tama: 7
[07:38:08] <Konomi> bots still not making any sense
[07:38:21] <crutchy_> Konomi, i do like bitcoin as a concept :)
[07:38:22] <Konomi> I still have yet to see a good ai bot on irc
[07:38:25] <arti> given the input, they're doing well.
[07:38:30] <Konomi> the alice bot was better than anything I've layed eyes on
[07:38:37] <arti> it's boring as heck
[07:38:55] <crutchy_> tama is full of 'yo mama' gags
[07:39:03] <Konomi> https://en.wikipedia.org
[07:39:04] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Artificial Linguistic Internet Computer Entity
[07:39:10] <crutchy_> but its all chromas's fault
[07:39:14] * arti is familiar with alice
[07:39:24] <arti> we need watson
[07:39:30] <Konomi> t is one of the strongest programs of its type and has won the Loebner Prize, awarded to accomplished humanoid, talking robots, three times (in 2000,[1] 2001,[1] and 2004).
[07:39:32] <crutchy_> dr watson :)
[07:39:33] <Konomi> off you go
[07:39:45] <crutchy_> ciri: butt
[07:39:52] <arti> hahaha
[07:39:52] <crutchy_> ciri?
[07:40:04] <arti> !decide stab pet
[07:40:04] <ciri> The roll of the dice picks: pet.
[07:40:23] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[07:40:24] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Trailer Millennium -Movie 1989- - YouTube
[07:43:49] <Konomi> I found some audio files today with internal checksums
[07:43:54] <Konomi> md5 sha256 etc
[07:43:56] <Konomi> I was like...
[07:44:04] <Konomi> whoever did this must be dumb
[07:44:18] <Konomi> hwo do you calc two checksums and save then in the metadata of a file
[07:44:30] <Konomi> unless you're checksuming only the stream but idk of anything that does that
[07:44:31] <arti> quantum computing
[07:45:50] <Konomi> I guess you could demux the container and then checksum the stream
[07:45:53] <Konomi> seems a bit anal though
[07:46:02] <arti> were these flac?
[07:46:06] <Konomi> oggs
[07:46:21] <Konomi> well specifically ogg container opus stream
[07:46:25] <Konomi> oh warning
[07:46:34] <Konomi> opus has no replaygain tools at the moment
[07:48:37] <crutchy_> motherflaccer@
[07:50:20] <crutchy_> how's your game goin arti?
[07:50:38] <crutchy_> worked out some concepts and stuff?
[07:50:50] <Konomi> wonder how expensive it would be to get a decent vanilla android phone in this shitty country
[07:51:06] <crutchy_> second hand s2
[07:51:16] <Konomi> want latest android though
[07:51:18] <arti> making the db schema
[07:51:20] <crutchy_> ah
[07:51:30] <crutchy_> might be able to update a rooted s2
[07:51:32] <Konomi> don't want anything network locked
[07:51:44] <Konomi> the idea of telstra/optus touching any software gives me nightmares
[07:52:02] <Konomi> wouldn't care too much if it was JUST network lockex
[07:52:12] <Konomi> but the additional shit they load up on things makes me want to hurl
[07:52:30] <crutchy_> shouldn't be hard to get rid of that crap on rooted android
[07:52:32] <arti> yeah, it's pretty bad
[07:52:40] <Konomi> yeah I don't really want to root it though
[07:52:44] <Konomi> I'd rather just but one vanilla
[07:52:48] <Konomi> buy*
[07:52:52] <crutchy_> oh. well then your fucked in any country
[07:53:00] <arti> proper fuct?
[07:53:01] <Konomi> I know it's hard here though since every network wants to make a mint off of selling locked devices
[07:53:08] <Konomi> nah people buy vanilla phones
[07:53:10] <Konomi> they exist
[07:53:13] <Konomi> it's just roo land is shit
[07:53:15] <crutchy_> just like the rabbit :p
[07:53:23] <Konomi> australians are fucking dumb
[07:53:33] <crutchy_> yeah. we're just rock apes
[07:53:34] * arti peels a gold star off of the paper and puts it next to crutchy's name
[07:53:35] <Konomi> it's why we get gorged for mobiles in general
[07:53:53] <Konomi> turnin' into merica
[07:53:54] <Konomi> ._.
[07:54:06] <arti> buy stock in large waisted clothing companies
[07:54:16] <crutchy_> we get charged heaps cos we seem to be willing to pay heaps
[07:54:29] <crutchy_> blame it on the mining companies
[07:54:36] <Konomi> yup
[07:54:52] <Konomi> dumb people buy expensive things cause they can't be bothered to work around it
[07:55:00] <Konomi> story of this country
[07:55:12] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[07:55:12] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Battletruck (1982) - Teaser Trailer - YouTube
[07:55:19] <Konomi> wat
[07:55:24] <crutchy_> i don't think we're robinson caruso there
[07:55:43] <Konomi> god I love old movies >.<
[07:55:57] <Konomi> battle trucks never going to happen today
[07:56:08] <crutchy_> at least we're not completely buried in debt as the arse end of the global economy... *turnin to merica*
[07:56:27] <arti> i've been watching a grip of trailers from that period
[07:56:28] <Konomi> we've gained 10 billion dollars of debt since liberals got in
[07:56:33] <Konomi> on our way
[07:56:39] <crutchy_> actually there's prolly lots of worse countries than murca
[07:56:40] <arti> this looks awesome too https://www.youtube.com
[07:56:41] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Trancers trailer (1985) - YouTube
[07:56:45] <Konomi> yup
[07:56:46] <arti> crutchy, middle east
[07:56:47] <Konomi> poor spain for example
[07:56:59] <crutchy_> Konomi, do you really think labour or greens wouldn't have piled on debt?
[07:57:00] <Konomi> arti: give me your list of cheesey 80s movies please
[07:57:13] <arti> i love 80s cheese
[07:57:28] <Konomi> crutchy_: rather have greens incuring a bill and not fucking up the country than have liberal incuring a little less of a bill and fucking up the country
[07:57:49] <crutchy_> they're just doing the same shit as labour did
[07:57:57] <Konomi> labor*
[07:57:58] <crutchy_> no better. no worse
[07:58:06] <Konomi> I just think the concept is stupid
[07:58:09] <arti> killer clowns from outer space
[07:58:14] <Konomi> I better save money and starve now so I can eat later
[07:58:17] <Konomi> wait wait wat?
[07:58:34] <Konomi> liberals fucked themselves anyway
[07:58:40] <arti> and progressives!
[07:58:42] <Konomi> no way you can pay off our debt with cutting things
[07:58:45] <Konomi> they'd have to tax people more
[07:58:46] * arti wipes away foam
[07:58:48] <Konomi> and they promised not to do that
[07:58:51] <Konomi> shotgun meet foot
[07:58:54] <arti> you can pay off debt by cutting spending :D
[07:59:01] <crutchy_> its "i'd rather save some money now so i don't completely fuck over my kids"
[07:59:13] <Konomi> kids are fucked anyway
[07:59:21] <arti> they're also the result of it
[07:59:21] <crutchy_> well lets just kill them now
[07:59:23] <Konomi> going to inherit a bunch of of old fucks who need shit tons of money either way
[07:59:25] <Konomi> no way out
[07:59:32] <Konomi> unless we gonna soylent everyone over 70
[07:59:41] * arti adjusts the figure down to 40
[08:00:03] <arti> then, we'll all go to the feelies
[08:00:15] <arti> btw city heat looks like poop
[08:00:25] <crutchy_> cutting government spending is better than raising taxes, cos nobody spends other peoples money more wisely than they spend their own
[08:00:33] <arti> crutchy, you might like this https://www.youtube.com
[08:00:33] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Starcrash (1979) trailer - YouTube
[08:00:39] <crutchy_> money is better in my pocket than in the governments
[08:00:44] <Konomi> yeah I always wisely buy alcohol with my money
[08:00:47] <Konomi> oooh waiittt
[08:00:57] <crutchy_> a lot of people would
[08:01:02] <arti> dude the overlord guy in this is from dragnet!
[08:01:08] <arti> the 80s movie... not the series
[08:01:27] <arti> he played the priest pagan guy
[08:01:30] <Konomi> it's a shocking thing
[08:01:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 5,200 Days Aboard the ISS and the Surprising Reason the Mission is Still Worthwhile - http://sylnt.us - Blue-Danube
[08:01:40] <Konomi> but people with jobs can still waste money
[08:01:51] <crutchy_> the saying still stands
[08:01:52] <arti> i waste mine on dates
[08:02:01] <crutchy_> government is the best at wasting money hands down
[08:02:07] <arti> medjool dates...
[08:02:13] <Konomi> isn't our private debt higher than our public debt?
[08:02:18] <Konomi> so wouldn't that factually be incorrect?
[08:02:20] <crutchy_> yes
[08:02:28] <Konomi> there ya go.
[08:02:34] <crutchy_> borrowing money isn't the same as wasting money
[08:02:40] <arti> it's always easy to spend other people's money
[08:02:48] <crutchy_> if the government borrowed to invest it would be different
[08:02:54] <Konomi> well if we really want to stop everyone wasting money we'll have to audit everyons pay check
[08:02:56] <crutchy_> but it just blows it on shit
[08:03:01] <Konomi> and since no one likes government wasting money here
[08:03:04] <Konomi> why stop there
[08:03:09] <Konomi> we better stop everyone wasting money
[08:03:17] <Konomi> then we can pay these bills right!?
[08:03:30] <crutchy_> you sound so much like a progressive its getting creepy
[08:03:43] <arti> Creepy Konomi
[08:03:46] <Konomi> yeah the logic is very scary boooo
[08:03:50] <crutchy_> lol
[08:03:50] <ciri> HEY! don't laugh at me
[08:03:58] <arti> you should do that for halloween :D
[08:04:01] <crutchy_> you're a green though, not a moron
[08:04:12] <Konomi> I['mn not an anything
[08:04:13] <crutchy_> so lets stick with stuff that isn't completely stupid
[08:04:16] <Konomi> I'm voting for the logic party
[08:04:21] <crutchy_> there is one?
[08:04:22] <Konomi> it cuts the bullshit from both sides and goes to the point
[08:04:28] <Konomi> but it looks really fucking progressive if you're from the right
[08:04:33] <arti> but you won't convince people with logic.
[08:04:34] <crutchy_> ah so you do wanna cut the shit?
[08:04:37] <Konomi> and if you're from tnhe left it looks really fucking conservitive
[08:05:04] <arti> that's logos, you need ethos or pathos
[08:05:08] <Konomi> the fact that i've had people say I sound way progressive when they're right leaning
[08:05:16] <crutchy_> 'cutting the bullshit' is a really fancy way of saying nothing in particular
[08:05:17] <Konomi> then have leftists saying I'm way conservitive
[08:05:23] <Konomi> proves that boths sides are full of raving idiots
[08:05:41] <crutchy_> i'm only economically conservative
[08:05:52] <crutchy_> because governments are full of morons
[08:06:08] <crutchy_> i'm not into social conservatism
[08:06:16] <Konomi> left and right exist for a reason
[08:06:20] <Konomi> so people can poke at each other
[08:06:25] <Konomi> rather than looking at the actual results
[08:06:29] <crutchy_> let them have it then
[08:06:36] <Konomi> sounds leftist fuck understanding it
[08:06:41] <Konomi> sounds conservative but mah rights
[08:06:51] <crutchy_> if it wasn't left of right it would be black and white or some other dichotomy
[08:07:09] <arti> that's bad mmkay
[08:07:27] <crutchy_> people gotta bicker about something
[08:07:35] <Konomi> yes crutchy_ some people do
[08:07:37] <Konomi> cough ;p
[08:07:39] <crutchy_> i don't care if they do, just not when i'm fucking paying for it
[08:08:37] <arti> the tighter you squeeze your fist, the more money will slip through your fingers
[08:08:52] <Konomi> got my titanium artifical hand
[08:08:55] <crutchy_> i'm married dude. i don't have any money :p
[08:08:55] <Konomi> nothing slips through it
[08:09:21] <Konomi> unfortuantly I've crushed about 5 pointing devices
[08:09:44] <arti> :|
[08:09:50] <arti> no handys please
[08:10:03] <Konomi> I'm not into guys generally ;p
[08:10:07] <arti> me either
[08:10:08] <arti> :D
[08:10:35] <Konomi> \o/
[08:10:45] <arti> i found a youtube of your hand
[08:10:45] <Konomi> I always preface with generally
[08:10:55] <Konomi> if it was like a really rugged guy with the most awesome personality
[08:10:57] <Konomi> would make an exception
[08:11:18] <arti> here's konomi's arm in action https://www.youtube.com
[08:11:18] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03RoboCop 1987 - birth & reveal scene - The original is more than just an action-fest - YouTube
[08:11:31] <crutchy_> some progressive stuff is actually worthwhile, and if you follow US politics there is probably more common ground between libertarians (like me) and progressives than there are between libertarians and conservatives. the main differences are in economic policy. progressives are infected by keynesian bullshit
[08:11:36] <Konomi> sex is like lego you'll eventually find a way to put piece a into piece b
[08:11:39] <Konomi> ro some variation \o/
[08:12:01] <Konomi> I like a bit from both sides
[08:12:07] <Konomi> conservitism has got so radical though
[08:12:08] <crutchy_> you greedy
[08:12:15] <Konomi> hard to side with
[08:12:23] <Konomi> moderate conservitives are generally pretty neat
[08:12:25] <crutchy_> both sides are radical
[08:12:38] <crutchy_> in the US anyways
[08:12:40] <arti> http://imgur.com
[08:12:40] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Radical Islam - Imgur
[08:12:42] <Konomi> I find the left tends to have more moderates than the right overall
[08:12:59] <Konomi> you can be on the right and not have to express any amount of logic and you'll get by
[08:13:09] <crutchy_> ddepends which tv channels you watch
[08:13:13] <Konomi> right is more open to "ideals" which means you can lack the logic
[08:13:34] <Konomi> there's a reason why people who are higher educated tend to get catagorised into progressive/left
[08:13:58] <Konomi> arti: would be awesome to see them doing ticks
[08:14:00] <Konomi> tricks*
[08:14:01] <crutchy_> lol since when
[08:14:06] <Konomi> since studies
[08:14:09] <Konomi> zomg science right?
[08:14:28] <crutchy_> most of the corporate world pays the republicans, which they get a lot of bad press about
[08:14:56] <arti> lol
[08:15:02] <Konomi> republicans get a lot of bad press because mitt got too full of himself and decided to show his true colours
[08:15:02] <arti> they're both fully bought
[08:15:09] <crutchy_> the 'educated' world only likes progressivism because the government pays for their studies
[08:15:12] <Konomi> well bought
[08:15:14] <Konomi> but not well educated
[08:15:22] <arti> the republicans get bad press because the media is extremely biased
[08:15:26] <Konomi> cause he was dumb enough to insult the working class at a ball of some sort
[08:15:29] <Konomi> and get recorded
[08:15:43] <arti> arguing about either of those parties is like "hey is stalin or hitler worse"
[08:15:45] <Konomi> there's a reason you mostly see the righties in power making stupid statements
[08:15:52] <Konomi> or not being able to pronounce nuclear
[08:15:56] <crutchy_> both sides have their media propaganda machines
[08:16:07] <crutchy_> arti, true
[08:16:34] <crutchy_> libertarians are taking over the republicans though because that's what republicans were originally
[08:16:48] <crutchy_> back to the roots
[08:17:04] <chromas> it's "nucular", dummy, the 's' is silent
[08:17:08] <Konomi> "Nonetheless, the graphs are quite telling. The more college graduates, the more Democratic (and especially more liberal) the state. The fewer college graduates, the more Republican and (and especially more conservative) the state. There’s clearly something going on here, and I’m actually quite curious to hear how conservatives would respond."
[08:17:27] <crutchy_> Konomi, there is a good reason for that though
[08:17:28] <arti> lol, or obama's corps?
[08:17:40] <arti> it sounds like core ffs.
[08:17:40] <Konomi> arti: everyone can be lied to
[08:17:41] <crutchy_> the same reason why many welfare recipients vote democrat
[08:17:53] <arti> Konomi: it's called transgender
[08:17:55] <crutchy_> they are dependent on the government
[08:18:17] <Konomi> crutchy_: "welfare recipients" as you like to refer to them barely make up a percentage of voters
[08:18:21] <Konomi> and remember.
[08:18:22] <Konomi> this is the usa
[08:18:27] <Konomi> they don't have to vote
[08:18:47] <crutchy_> over a third of US citizens are welfare recipients of some form
[08:18:51] <arti> infact they encourage people not to by making them feel that their vote won't matter
[08:18:52] <Konomi> btw I am on welfare so feel more free to throw that around ;p
[08:19:04] <Konomi> arti: yup
[08:19:30] <crutchy_> welfare is out of control and unsustainable in the US
[08:19:40] <Konomi> wat...
[08:19:51] <crutchy_> c'mon
[08:19:52] <Konomi> they have one of the worst welfare systems of any 1st world country
[08:19:54] <Konomi> wtf you smokin?
[08:20:25] <arti> it's been a failure imo
[08:20:37] <arti> the war on poverty... has increased it
[08:20:43] <Konomi> wouldn't surprise me
[08:21:03] <Konomi> they're definitily not liberal on the welfare area though
[08:21:30] <crutchy_> http://en.wikipedia.org
[08:21:31] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Social programs in the United States
[08:22:21] <Konomi> so they pay the same percentage as sweeden
[08:22:23] <Konomi> zomg...
[08:22:26] <Konomi> paying so much more there
[08:22:31] <crutchy_> sweden is a welfare state
[08:22:32] <arti> wonder where it all goes
[08:22:37] <crutchy_> s/a/the/
[08:22:37] <SedNotABot> <crutchy_> sweden is the welfare state
[08:22:50] <Konomi> with one of the higest standards of living in the world
[08:22:52] <Konomi> cough...
[08:22:54] <crutchy_> sweden is also a much smaller country
[08:22:57] <arti> let's see how it handles north african zerg
[08:23:05] <Konomi> that's why you look at percentages...
[08:23:16] <crutchy_> surely you're not equating standard of living with welfare :/
[08:23:45] <Konomi> point me to a non welfare state with a high standard of living
[08:23:54] <Konomi> I'll wait
[08:24:12] <crutchy_> america, before 1913
[08:24:28] <Konomi> america before it was america
[08:24:30] <Konomi> okay...
[08:24:33] <crutchy_> no
[08:24:43] <crutchy_> surely you know the significance of that year
[08:24:53] <Konomi> let me rephrase
[08:25:00] <Konomi> any current state in our lifetime.
[08:25:10] <crutchy_> australia
[08:25:27] <Konomi> australia has one of the lowest oecd spending for welfare
[08:25:29] <Konomi> so try again
[08:25:41] <crutchy_> you said non welfare state
[08:25:58] <Konomi> lowest I didn't say it spent nothing
[08:26:06] <Konomi> australia is classed as a socialist deomcracy you know...
[08:26:20] <crutchy_> not a welfare democracy
[08:26:32] <Konomi> do you know what socialist means?
[08:26:53] <crutchy_> why don't you enlighten us
[08:27:01] <Konomi> give you a clue another country you mentioned a little while ago comes under the definition of it
[08:27:02] <arti> pejorative right?
[08:27:16] <crutchy_> i think she's thinking communist
[08:27:29] <crutchy_> communist!=socialist
[08:28:21] <crutchy_> i'm also curious about where it says we're a 'socialist democracy'
[08:28:43] <Konomi> I meant socialist
[08:29:02] <crutchy_> ive never seen anything about australia referred to as socialist before
[08:29:02] * Subsentient is a socialist and damn proud of it
[08:29:16] <crutchy_> we're still subjects of the queen
[08:29:50] <arti> greetings Subsentient
[08:29:55] <Subsentient> greetings
[08:30:04] * arti presents offerings of crackers and cheese
[08:30:24] <arti> i'll open a bottle of wine, but only if i have help with it
[08:30:24] <crutchy_> wikipedia calls us a "federal parliamentary constitutional monarchy" (ok i know its only wikipedia)
[08:31:48] <crutchy_> socialist is also a fairly general term
[08:31:50] <Konomi> hey Subsentient ~
[08:31:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - BREAKING: AirAsia flight QZ8501 from Indonesia to Singapore missing - http://sylnt.us
[08:32:26] <arti> CNN just got a boner
[08:32:26] * Subsentient is making the 'are you fucking kidding me' face
[08:32:28] <crutchy_> yeah we know bender. we've already figured it was beecause of the bermuda triangle monster
[08:32:49] * arti liked the fark headline
[08:32:59] <arti> "AirAsia flight from Indonesia to Singapore requests unusual route and then disappears. Let the conspiracy theories begin"
[08:33:06] <crutchy_> lol
[08:33:06] <ciri> lol that's funny!
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[08:33:19] <Subsentient> That's fucking weird.
[08:33:33] <arti> i would love to see a south park version of it
[08:33:42] <arti> maybe call it CityFlight
[08:33:51] <arti> CityAirline
[08:33:59] <crutchy_> actually what's funny was the missus and i were talking about it in the car, and mr 7 piped up and said they went to dinotopia :p
[08:35:07] <Konomi> meh the phrase is up for debate apparently
[08:35:21] <crutchy_> phrase?
[08:35:35] <Konomi> socialist democracy
[08:35:46] <crutchy_> not gunna happen in straya
[08:35:53] <Konomi> it comes unde rit
[08:36:03] <crutchy_> they can bicker about it all they want
[08:36:09] <Konomi> because we have welfare and a socialised medical system we come under the defintiion
[08:36:31] <crutchy_> we also have private versions of those too
[08:36:36] <Konomi> germany is a good example
[08:36:39] <Konomi> as is new zealand
[08:37:19] <ar> moin
[08:37:22] <Konomi> time to make you fume
[08:37:23] <crutchy_> nothing wrong with a small amount of welfare for those struggling
[08:37:24] <arti> hello ar
[08:37:24] <Konomi> http://mashable.com
[08:37:24] <ciri> hello, whats up arti
[08:37:24] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Mashable
[08:37:27] <Konomi> ;p
[08:37:33] <Konomi> number 10 \o/
[08:38:08] <ar> Konomi: german welfare system is slowly collapsing, because it is overburdened by immigrants who do not bring money into the economy
[08:38:15] <crutchy_> "The Bad News
[08:38:15] <crutchy_> We couldn't find the page you were looking for.
[08:38:15] <crutchy_> The Good News
[08:38:15] <crutchy_> We found all your missing socks."
[08:38:26] <Konomi> damn insert pasted it twice ;p
[08:38:32] <crutchy_> a lot of welfare systems are ponzi schemes
[08:38:39] <crutchy_> young paying for old
[08:38:46] <Konomi> capitalism is a ponzi scheme too
[08:38:47] <arti> maybe they can use the money from their defense programs to fund it
[08:38:51] <Konomi> just saying
[08:38:56] <crutchy_> capitalism has been around since day dot
[08:39:01] <crutchy_> it aint goin anywhere
[08:39:19] <Konomi> says the person who tells me to stop being certain about maths ~
[08:39:49] <crutchy_> i'm not certain, just confident based on history
[08:40:06] <crutchy_> what we have now barely resembles capitalism
[08:40:15] <crutchy_> but capitalism still survives at the lowest levels
[08:40:17] <Konomi> yeah I was refering to now
[08:40:27] <crutchy_> small businesses
[08:40:29] <Konomi> no point referring to a definition that is probably never going to exist
[08:40:55] <Konomi> Subsentient: you talked must be time to start sublinux and mess with it
[08:41:17] <Konomi> do you have repos for it btw?
[08:41:18] <crutchy_> people try to change the definition of capitalism to make it look more like the bad guy, but capitalism is still capitalism. what we have going on a lot now isn't capitalism
[08:41:23] <Konomi> or is it just the make install life for updates ;p
[08:42:07] <crutchy_> and michael moore is a fucking hypocrit
[08:42:18] <Konomi> don't mind him
[08:42:24] <crutchy_> his an idiot
[08:42:27] <crutchy_> he's
[08:42:28] <Konomi> why?
[08:43:00] <crutchy_> because he blames the worlds problems on capitalism, but what he describes in detail isn't capitalism at all
[08:43:18] <crutchy_> and he makes a fuckload of money from his own capitalism
[08:43:50] <arti> an annoying burly man, that
[08:44:01] <crutchy_> he's a douchebag
[08:44:24] <crutchy_> he's merely riding the wave
[08:45:01] <crutchy_> i can understand the frustration of the 'occupy' movement, but they don't understand economics either
[08:45:03] <arti> lotta people like his message though
[08:45:18] <crutchy_> they think government corruption is the fault of the free market
[08:45:19] <Konomi> depends on your definition of capitalism ;p
[08:45:24] <crutchy_> there is only one
[08:45:34] <Konomi> only one god too right?
[08:45:41] <crutchy_> dunno
[08:45:50] <crutchy_> i only know a little about capitalism
[08:45:57] <crutchy_> don't know shit about god
[08:46:24] <crutchy_> "Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industry, and the means of production are largely or entirely privately owned and operated for profit. "
[08:46:59] <crutchy_> no mention of government corruption and manipulation there
[08:47:25] <Konomi> "largely"
[08:47:26] <Konomi> op
[08:47:29] <Konomi> sounds like an exception to me
[08:47:31] <chromas> Michael Moore is still around? Haven't heard anything out of him in years
[08:47:32] <crutchy_> yussum
[08:47:36] <crutchy_> largelyt
[08:47:46] <Konomi> chromas: me either moved onto to better thinkers
[08:47:57] <Konomi> he's good for whipping up the general person though
[08:48:14] <arti> he's fat and happy now
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[08:48:22] <crutchy_> he got his pay check
[08:48:30] <crutchy_> that's all he really cares about
[08:48:48] <Konomi> most people do that without producing anything useful
[08:49:11] <crutchy_> most people?
[08:49:33] <chromas> middle managers
[08:49:37] <crutchy_> i guess the working class is shrinking
[08:49:47] <Konomi> nah
[08:49:54] <Konomi> full time work is shrinking
[08:50:00] <crutchy_> that too
[08:50:01] <Konomi> causualised work on the rise
[08:50:07] <Konomi> easier to fire people ;p
[08:50:11] <crutchy_> easier to fire dick heads
[08:50:29] <Konomi> I don't think they jsut fire people for being "dick heads"
[08:50:38] <crutchy_> nah that would land them in hot water
[08:50:53] <Konomi> actualy in au you can be fired for no reason as a casual
[08:51:00] <Konomi> since fired turns to made redundent
[08:51:22] <crutchy_> dunno. i only worked as casual for 3 months
[08:51:29] <arti> casual is aussie for at will eh?
[08:51:35] <crutchy_> i think so
[08:51:46] <arti> no loyalty on either side basically
[08:51:49] <Konomi> arti: just means not full time or part time
[08:51:53] <crutchy_> pretty much
[08:51:59] <arti> can quit at any time, can be fired at any time
[08:52:04] <crutchy_> yup
[08:52:19] <crutchy_> though can still quit with short notice as full/part time
[08:52:26] <crutchy_> usually 2 weeks
[08:52:32] <crutchy_> or 4 weeks for professional
[08:52:48] <crutchy_> when i quit my last job i gave 6 weeks
[08:52:55] <arti> that's a fair amount of time
[08:53:07] * arti usually goes the 2 week route
[08:53:19] <crutchy_> depends what you do i guess. engineering is pretty hard to replace workers quickly
[08:53:24] <arti> different places, for sure
[08:53:35] <arti> i'm a office monkey
[08:53:37] <Konomi> not sure how long that will be true
[08:53:38] <arti> an*
[08:53:45] <Konomi> abbott is removing the 457 restrictions ;p
[08:53:59] <Konomi> before they were required to advertise locally specifically
[08:54:04] <Konomi> won't be shortly
[08:54:07] <crutchy_> Konomi, it depends a lot on your emplyment agreement
[08:54:17] <crutchy_> there has never been a lot of protection for most employees
[08:54:28] <crutchy_> that's why unions are popular in some industries
[08:54:29] <Konomi> going to be less in the future
[08:54:43] <crutchy_> it will be no different for most
[08:54:57] <Konomi> https://en.wikipedia.org
[08:54:58] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Precariat
[08:55:00] <Konomi> my fav new class
[08:55:02] <crutchy_> most people have common law employment agreements
[08:55:17] <crutchy_> fair work australia won't help you
[08:55:35] <Konomi> yup
[08:55:39] <crutchy_> only if you have an enterprise bargaining agreement does fwa get involved
[08:55:41] <Konomi> work choices \o/
[08:55:57] <crutchy_> basically, fair work australia is a tool for the unions
[08:55:59] <Konomi> I love how orwellian that name is
[08:56:22] <arti> indeed
[08:56:40] <Konomi> anyway I am waiting for the precariat to take off it will be an interesting dynamic change
[08:57:22] <crutchy_> i'm a professional engineer and when my last employer wanted me to sign a new employment contract i had to pay for a lawyer
[08:57:42] <Konomi> no surprise
[08:57:42] <crutchy_> no unions, no fwa, no fucking help from anyone
[08:57:50] <Konomi> were you a member?
[08:58:12] <crutchy_> there aren't really any unions for engineers. we have a professional body, but they're not a union
[08:58:16] <crutchy_> more of a lobbyist
[08:58:27] <crutchy_> trying to get their name in regulations :/
[08:58:50] <crutchy_> 'join us or you'll get sued'
[08:59:12] <chromas> sounds like a union
[08:59:23] <crutchy_> they don't do anything for us though
[08:59:27] <chromas> sounds like a union
[08:59:30] <chromas> :D
[08:59:31] <crutchy_> hahaha
[08:59:33] <crutchy_> yeah
[08:59:39] <Konomi> problem is once you don't have them it's when you need them
[08:59:50] <crutchy_> actually unions do good things in some places
[08:59:56] <Konomi> they do
[09:00:04] <crutchy_> power industry is a nightmare for industrial relations
[09:00:19] <Konomi> if there were no unions working rights wouldn't exist
[09:00:36] <Konomi> they take the historical credit for getting them
[09:00:45] <crutchy_> what worker rights?
[09:00:46] <arti> industrial relations occurs between two consenting robots
[09:00:57] <Konomi> crutchy_: what's left of them ;p
[09:01:09] <crutchy_> unions haven't done anything for worker rights
[09:01:25] <crutchy_> they merely represent their members
[09:01:37] <Subsentient> Konomi: sorry, was watching south park because someone mentioned it
[09:01:51] <Konomi> crutchy_: they have they might not do so much now but they did in the past
[09:01:56] <Subsentient> Konomi: SubLinux doesn't have repos but there is an addons directory that hosts squashfs expansions
[09:02:05] <crutchy_> Konomi, i don't think so
[09:02:13] <crutchy_> is there an example?
[09:02:15] <Konomi> figured since repos is the biggest part of a distro
[09:02:28] * crutchy_ is trying to think of an example too
[09:02:33] <crutchy_> there might be
[09:02:38] <arti> Subsentient, which episode?
[09:02:50] <Subsentient> arti: That weird new one called "cock magic"
[09:02:54] <arti> hahaha
[09:03:08] <arti> i like the gluten and handicar ones
[09:03:14] <Subsentient> hehe
[09:03:20] <crutchy_> accidents like the triangle shirtwaist factory fire did a bit to spur worker rights
[09:03:23] <crutchy_> in the US anyways
[09:03:36] <crutchy_> wasn't anything to do with unions though
[09:04:12] <crutchy_> unions might have some credit in pushing for changes to OH&S regulations maybe
[09:04:56] <crutchy_> but that's prolly also more legal-driven... not wanting to get sued or bad publicity is a poweful motivator
[09:05:39] <Konomi> crutchy_: "Labor rights are a relatively new addition to the modern corpus of human rights. The modern concept of labor rights dates to the 19th century after the creation of labor unions following the industrialization processes."
[09:05:57] <Konomi> primarly responsible for
[09:06:07] <arti> children keeping their fingers
[09:06:33] <crutchy_> children aren't even allowed to work now
[09:06:37] <crutchy_> poor little blighters
[09:06:45] <Konomi> depends on the country
[09:06:52] <crutchy_> true
[09:06:54] <Konomi> allowed to and doesn't happen two different things sadly
[09:07:02] <arti> how are children's movies made :P
[09:07:03] <ciri> not sure
[09:07:06] <crutchy_> children getting a job is a good thing
[09:07:12] <Konomi> arti: midgets!
[09:07:13] <ar> http://veganfeministnetwork.com - Male PETA Employees Make Women have Sex with Vegetables “For the Animals”
[09:07:14] * Konomi hides in shame
[09:07:15] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Male PETA Employees Make Women have Sex with Vegetables ?For the Animals? | VEGAN FEMINIST NETWORK
[09:07:16] <crutchy_> keeps them out of poverty
[09:07:22] <arti> they prefer to be called little people.
[09:07:29] <arti> also, willow.
[09:07:37] <Konomi> best movie 5/5 ;_;
[09:07:41] <Konomi> I have the dvd
[09:07:45] <arti> i have the boardgame
[09:07:47] <crutchy_> children who don't work don't develop skills and can't move up the wage ladder
[09:07:52] <Konomi> wow nerd points
[09:08:04] <Konomi> would totally play
[09:08:12] <arti> should do a web variant
[09:08:24] <Konomi> ascii version
[09:08:28] <arti> eww no
[09:08:30] <Konomi> hehe
[09:08:35] <arti> dwarf fortress is too hardcore for me
[09:08:41] <crutchy_> don't forget the oompaloompas
[09:08:48] <crutchy_> and ewoks
[09:08:50] <arti> i don't like the look of it
[09:08:59] <Konomi> star wars christmas special
[09:09:26] <arti> http://imgur.com
[09:09:27] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03TIL Yoda+Ewok=Gremlin - Imgur
[09:09:41] <chromas> ar: tease all you want, I'm still eating dead animals
[09:10:02] <arti> animals eat other animals, what's the big deal
[09:10:24] <crutchy_> veganfeministnetwork.com ??? really??
[09:10:33] <arti> link it proper
[09:10:39] <arti> http://veganfeministnetwork.com
[09:10:42] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03VEGAN FEMINIST NETWORK | A vegan community valuing intersectionality and anti-oppression outreach
[09:10:43] <chromas> arti: did you see the link? Porn trying to push veganism. It's disgusting! Vegans aren't even real people
[09:11:01] <arti> considering meat is being enjoyed they're full of it
[09:11:12] <arti> i love this stuff
[09:11:16] <chromas> porn without meat is lesbian porn
[09:11:18] <arti> let's get some bedsheets made
[09:11:45] <arti> we should blog some stuff too
[09:11:47] <crutchy_> hehe the picture on the home page of the guy with his arm in the cows arse that they're disgusted by
[09:12:03] <arti> "Rape Analogy as Fast Food Advocacy"
[09:12:05] <arti> hahaha
[09:12:05] <crutchy_> they don't realise the guy is actually trying to help the cow
[09:12:33] <arti> he's a mechanic
[09:12:37] <arti> an amish mechanic
[09:12:41] <crutchy_> 'oh no there's a MAN with his hand inside a cow... RAPE!'
[09:12:53] <arti> duh, men are involved!
[09:12:59] <crutchy_> cos all farmers just love doing that sort of shit
[09:13:07] <arti> ever see city slickers?
[09:13:12] <crutchy_> especially when its pissing down rain in the middle of the night
[09:13:40] <crutchy_> and the cow is in so much pain that it just won't shut the fuck up
[09:14:09] <crutchy_> the farmer just gets the urge to go out and fist the thing till he gets off
[09:14:49] <Konomi> farming with crutchy_ nightmares ensue
[09:15:09] <crutchy_> its got nothing to do with the baby cow being in some fucked up position in the womb or anything
[09:15:29] <crutchy_> or whatever the case it
[09:15:31] <crutchy_> *is
[09:15:45] <Konomi> can't imagine how hard it would be to be a vegan actually
[09:15:45] <arti> lol, he's more of a bot farmer
[09:15:51] <Konomi> vegetarian isn't too bad
[09:15:58] <arti> vegan is alright
[09:16:05] <Subsentient> Konomi: It's not hard at all.
[09:16:14] <Subsentient> I eat milk and cheese and eggs, but no meat.
[09:16:17] <crutchy_> hehe ~minion script still not working across networks yet :p
[09:16:19] * chromas sprinkles cheese around the room
[09:16:19] <Subsentient> I don't make exceptions
[09:16:26] <arti> what about fish?
[09:16:27] <Konomi> that's not what a vegan is Subsentient ._.
[09:16:36] <Subsentient> Konomi: No, it's a vegetarian
[09:16:50] <arti> i know some people only feel bad about eating things with faces
[09:16:51] <Konomi> yeah I said vegetarian isn't too hard
[09:16:55] <Konomi> I meant vegan is ;p
[09:16:58] <crutchy_> vegan is going around trying to stop everyone else from eating meat, and then going home for a big juicy steak
[09:17:03] <Subsentient> But I used to be purely vegan, but finances forced me to reintroduce that stuff
[09:17:07] <arti> wagyu beef
[09:17:11] <Subsentient> It wasn't that bad.
[09:17:27] <arti> had another friend of mine give it up because he was losing his hair
[09:17:29] <Konomi> there's a ton of animal products in things you'd never imagine are animals
[09:17:31] <arti> not enough b vitamins
[09:17:40] <Konomi> like some dye colourings come from animals
[09:17:51] <Konomi> minefield
[09:18:00] <Subsentient> Konomi: I know. Like beetles. Red color often comes from beetles.
[09:18:04] <Konomi> nods
[09:18:14] <chromas> beetlegeuse++
[09:18:14] <Bender> karma - beetlegeuse: 1
[09:18:16] <crutchy_> or glass... comes from sandfleas :p
[09:18:27] <arti> oh fleas
[09:18:43] <crutchy_> taking their homes at least
[09:18:53] <chromas> and their jerbs
[09:19:07] <crutchy_> tekerterk
[09:19:52] <Subsentient> I gotta feed the cats
[09:20:26] <crutchy_> how's yer game goin arti?
[09:20:51] <crutchy_> did you say you were gunna do it in php?
[09:21:15] <arti> yeah, after much flimflammery
[09:22:03] <crutchy_> php is full of flimflammery
[09:22:17] * chromas prefers djribbery djroo
[09:22:58] <crutchy_> i was working on an attack health formula today
[09:23:16] <arti> web interface and irc, php seems like an excellent hack
[09:23:24] <crutchy_> yeah its pretty easy
[09:23:34] <crutchy_> delphi would be cool, but harder to do
[09:23:50] <chromas> mix languages
[09:23:51] <crutchy_> php sockets are pretty hard to fuck up
[09:24:52] <arti> i have a book on delphi game programming
[09:25:07] <crutchy_> i've done some tile mapping in delphi
[09:25:09] <crutchy_> good fun
[09:25:20] <crutchy_> pathfinding too
[09:25:33] <arti> i actually prefer css / html for ui
[09:25:41] <arti> as terrible as that is
[09:25:47] <crutchy_> its ok with some js hacks
[09:26:00] <arti> try to do most of it with pure css
[09:26:06] <crutchy_> i still need to add the js stuff to the irciv maps
[09:26:19] <arti> jQuery should be cool, underscore might help you too
[09:26:29] <crutchy_> yeah css seems to be getting pretty fancy
[09:26:38] <crutchy_> ew frameworks
[09:26:44] <crutchy_> :p
[09:26:45] <arti> libraries :P
[09:26:55] <crutchy_> that at least sounds better
[09:27:16] <chromas> arti: you could use Qt or something
[09:27:20] <chromas> xml + css for ui
[09:27:20] * Subsentient needs an excuse to work on GTK
[09:27:34] <crutchy_> lazarus prolly has all the qt stuff, chromas?
[09:27:45] <crutchy_> prolly gtk too
[09:27:53] <chromas> not all but you can use them
[09:28:02] * Subsentient doesn't much care for QT because he doesn't much care for C++
[09:28:02] <chromas> it doesn't use the xml+css parts though
[09:28:25] <chromas> Qt's got bindings for other languages like python and stuff; not sure about php
[09:28:26] <arti> Qt is expensive, and i don't want OSS :P
[09:28:42] <crutchy_> saas?
[09:29:12] <arti> Qt is pretty cool though
[09:29:28] <crutchy_> windows gdi ftw!
[09:29:30] <arti> wxWidgets is nifty too
[09:29:44] <arti> gdi lol, dopewars?
[09:29:57] <JamesNZ> qt++
[09:29:57] <Bender> karma - qt: 4
[09:30:00] <Subsentient> chromas: I have yet to see a good way to write QT apps in C
[09:30:02] <Subsentient> gtk++
[09:30:03] <Bender> karma - gtk: -5
[09:30:05] <Subsentient> gtk++
[09:30:05] <Bender> karma - gtk: -4
[09:30:06] <Subsentient> gtk++
[09:30:06] <Bender> karma - gtk: -3
[09:30:06] <Subsentient> gtk++
[09:30:06] <Bender> karma - gtk: -2
[09:30:06] <Subsentient> gtk++
[09:30:06] <Bender> karma - gtk: -1
[09:30:06] <Subsentient> gtk++
[09:30:07] <Bender> karma - gtk: 0
[09:30:07] <Konomi> dashcam footage scary stuff
[09:30:12] <crutchy_> russian?
[09:30:18] <aqu4> gtk++
[09:30:18] <Bender> karma - gtk: 1
[09:30:19] <aqu4> gtk++
[09:30:20] <Bender> karma - gtk: 2
[09:30:21] <aqu4> gtk++
[09:30:21] <Bender> karma - gtk: 3
[09:30:23] <aqu4> gtk++
[09:30:23] <Bender> karma - gtk: 4
[09:30:23] <Subsentient> gtk++
[09:30:24] <Bender> karma - gtk: 5
[09:30:24] <Subsentient> gtk++
[09:30:24] <Bender> karma - gtk: 6
[09:30:30] <aqu4> gtk++
[09:30:30] <Bender> karma - gtk: 7
[09:30:30] <chromas> circlejerky++
[09:30:30] <Bender> karma - circlejerky: 3
[09:30:31] <aqu4> gtk++
[09:30:31] <Bender> karma - gtk: 8
[09:30:38] <crutchy_> russian dashcams are funny... from a very long way away
[09:30:42] <chromas> fltk for something lightweight
[09:30:44] <crutchy_> over the internet
[09:30:58] * Subsentient really likes ncurses
[09:31:06] <crutchy_> frameworks--
[09:31:06] <Bender> karma - frameworks: -6
[09:31:09] <JamesNZ> qt++
[09:31:09] <Bender> karma - qt: 5
[09:31:09] <JamesNZ> qt++
[09:31:09] <Bender> karma - qt: 6
[09:31:11] <ar> gtk--
[09:31:11] <Bender> karma - gtk: 7
[09:31:13] <ar> qt++
[09:31:13] <Bender> karma - qt: 7
[09:31:14] <JamesNZ> qt++
[09:31:14] <Bender> karma - qt: 8
[09:31:17] <ar> gtk--
[09:31:17] <Bender> karma - gtk: 6
[09:31:18] <crutchy_> gdi++
[09:31:18] <Bender> karma - gdi: 1
[09:31:20] <JamesNZ> qt++
[09:31:20] <Bender> karma - qt: 9
[09:31:20] <ar> gtk--
[09:31:20] <Bender> karma - gtk: 5
[09:31:20] <crutchy_> gdi++
[09:31:20] <Bender> karma - gdi: 2
[09:31:21] <ar> gtk--
[09:31:21] <Bender> karma - gtk: 4
[09:31:22] <ar> gtk--
[09:31:22] <Bender> karma - gtk: 3
[09:31:23] <JamesNZ> qt++
[09:31:23] <Bender> karma - qt: 10
[09:31:23] <ar> gtk--
[09:31:23] <Bender> karma - gtk: 2
[09:31:25] <ar> gtk--
[09:31:25] <Bender> karma - gtk: 1
[09:31:27] <ar> gtk--
[09:31:27] <Bender> karma - gtk: 0
[09:31:29] <crutchy_> boats++
[09:31:29] <Bender> karma - boats: 1
[09:31:31] <ar> qt++
[09:31:31] <Bender> karma - qt: 11
[09:31:34] <JamesNZ> Imma go to bed before the bans roll in :)
[09:31:34] <chromas> poor Bender
[09:31:37] <Subsentient> ar: What's wrong with gtk?
[09:31:38] <JamesNZ> \o
[09:31:40] <crutchy_> sausages++
[09:31:40] <Bender> karma - sausages: 1
[09:31:41] -!- JamesNZ has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[09:31:45] <arti> this is why we can't have nice things
[09:31:56] <Subsentient> Oh, right. I'm an OP, and so is my bot. Power abuse FTW!
[09:31:58] <Subsentient> $chanctl kick ar
[09:31:58] <aqu4> Ok.
[09:31:59] -!- ar was kicked from #Soylent by aqu4!~aqu4bot@universe2.us/ircbot/aqu4 [ar]
[09:32:00] <crutchy_> cos sausages are only +1
[09:32:10] <crutchy_> aw
[09:32:16] <crutchy_> not cool
[09:32:17] -!- ar [ar!arachnist@i.am-a.cat] has joined #Soylent
[09:32:21] <chromas> didn't even gives a reason
[09:32:25] <Subsentient> hehe
[09:32:28] <chromas> s/s//
[09:32:28] <SedNotABot> <chromas> didn't even give a reason
[09:32:28] <crutchy_> ar, hop into # for a backup
[09:32:32] <Subsentient> yeah just messin' around
[09:32:45] <Subsentient> ar: :^)
[09:33:03] <crutchy_> boats_with_sausages++
[09:33:03] <Bender> karma - boats_with_sausages: 1
[09:33:10] <Subsentient> meat--
[09:33:10] <Bender> karma - meat: 11
[09:33:14] <Subsentient> meat--
[09:33:14] <Bender> karma - meat: 10
[09:33:20] <crutchy_> sausage_boats++
[09:33:20] <Bender> karma - sausage_boats: 1
[09:33:33] * Subsentient curls back in horror
[09:33:58] <chromas> qt++ # because it came from a company named Trolltech
[09:33:58] <Bender> karma - qt: 12
[09:34:14] <chromas> trollolet cetera
[09:34:18] <arti> nokia had it last right?
[09:34:42] <chromas> Digia now
[09:36:45] <crutchy_> pretty soon it will be Microsoft Cutie
[09:36:56] <crutchy_> or Microsoft Bob 2015
[09:38:17] <Subsentient> msbob++
[09:38:17] <Bender> karma - msbob: 1
[09:38:32] <chromas> clippit++
[09:38:32] <Bender> karma - clippit: 3
[09:40:40] <Konomi> https://farm8.staticflickr.com
[09:41:06] <arti> looks like a giant sailboat to the right
[09:41:25] <arti> "Slavery"
[09:42:45] <Konomi> http://www.businessinsider.com
[09:42:47] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Bill Gates: Bots Are Taking Away Jobs - Business Insider
[09:42:52] <Konomi> \o/
[09:43:20] <Konomi> "we have replaced you with 100 lines of C code!"
[09:43:22] <Konomi> "aww"
[09:43:34] <arti> that's like 5 lines in Haskell
[09:44:19] <Konomi> I welcome more automation tbh
[09:44:29] <Konomi> it'll force the employment issue for a lot of people
[09:47:02] <Subsentient> Konomi: Capitalism is doomed unless we all go back to fireplaces and log cabins.
[09:47:33] <Konomi> but those smoke particles
[09:47:41] <Subsentient> hehe
[09:48:09] <Subsentient> Automation will destroy capitalism, and either socialism or dystopia will take its place.
[09:48:18] <arti> http://en.wikipedia.org
[09:48:24] <Konomi> Subsentient: can't wait tbh ;p
[09:48:39] <Konomi> things feel pretty stagnent atm
[09:48:58] <crutchy_> new SN poll: does anyone actually like the strawberry flavor in neopolitan icecream?
[09:49:16] <Konomi> next poll do you shop at the gap
[09:49:23] <Subsentient> crutchy: YES!!!!
[09:49:32] <Subsentient> crutchy: I love strawberry ice cream
[09:49:33] <crutchy_> Subsentient, socialism==dystopia
[09:49:40] <arti> http://www.blogcdn.com
[09:49:50] <crutchy_> well, in theory socialism is awesome
[09:50:01] <Konomi> well in theory capitalism is awesome
[09:50:03] <Konomi> ;p
[09:50:07] <arti> in theory people are awesome
[09:50:13] <arti> :|
[09:50:16] <Konomi> in theory grass is awesome
[09:50:17] <crutchy_> in theory people are cunts
[09:50:26] <arti> no, some have them though
[09:50:26] <Konomi> sounds too much like reality to me
[09:50:34] <arti> i like virtual reality.
[09:50:37] <Subsentient> In theory, you will all bow to the god of the undead gerbil swarm, Lord Gerbilius.
[09:50:48] <crutchy_> arti, vaginal reality :p
[09:50:48] <Konomi> hrmm
[09:50:48] <arti> began, the sawdust wars have
[09:50:53] <Konomi> gerbils
[09:50:56] <Konomi> politicans
[09:51:02] <arti> icecream?
[09:51:03] <Konomi> probably would pick the gerbils
[09:51:10] <arti> they eat their own, too!
[09:51:19] <Konomi> good thing we're not gerbils then
[09:51:21] <crutchy_> Konomi, i do like one aspect of socialism; the idea of coops
[09:51:35] <Konomi> that isn't a socialist thing
[09:51:37] <Konomi> that's a coop
[09:51:40] <Konomi> it's not a political system
[09:51:47] <crutchy_> tsk tsk
[09:51:54] <arti> http://media.thereadystore.com
[09:52:00] <arti> what a coop looks like :D
[09:52:05] <arti> looks like prison
[09:52:06] <Konomi> best coop of all
[09:52:14] <Konomi> psh we feed them
[09:52:16] <crutchy_> capitalism isn't a political system either
[09:52:19] <Konomi> they should do what we say
[09:52:29] <arti> i like to herd them
[09:55:02] <crutchy_> co-ops and capitalism can coexist though (well, they do co-exist)
[09:55:19] <crutchy_> some co-ops are very large (like corporations)
[09:55:39] <Subsentient> crutchy: Competition is obsolete, cooperation is the replacement.
[09:55:40] <crutchy_> all for the benefit of their workers/members/etc
[09:55:53] <arti> humans excel at cooperation
[09:55:59] <crutchy_> Subsentient, i would like to think so, but unfortunately it goes against human nature
[09:56:09] <crutchy_> we are greedy by design; survival of the fittest
[09:56:24] <arti> just look how well everyone gets along for oil
[09:56:51] <Subsentient> crutchy: Evolution no longer dictates who we are going to be. Therefore we can build a better system than what nature would mandate.
[09:57:04] <crutchy_> nature governs everything
[09:57:09] <crutchy_> we cannot overcome it
[09:57:33] <crutchy_> unless through things like genetics
[09:57:45] <crutchy_> artificial evolution if you will
[09:58:11] <Subsentient> crutchy_: That's the general plan.
[09:58:20] <crutchy_> hitler thought the same way
[09:58:26] <Subsentient> Breed a kinder and more intelligent human.
[09:58:40] <Subsentient> The difference is that my regime won't be guilty of genocide
[09:58:47] <crutchy_> they never are
[09:58:50] <crutchy_> until they're gone
[09:59:24] <arti> once you start, you can't stop!
[09:59:35] <crutchy_> so many people have died throughout history in the name of good intention
[09:59:43] <crutchy_> for ideals
[09:59:49] <Subsentient> arti: that's the worst one I've heard all year
[09:59:55] <crutchy_> political, religious, etc
[10:00:04] <crutchy_> everyone has their own idea of how the world should be
[10:00:16] <arti> :D
[10:00:53] <Konomi> need the political blockchain that we can all agree on \o/
[10:01:15] <crutchy_> the problem is that in everyone's ideal world, they personally fit the bill
[10:01:22] <chromas> arti: once you pop, you can't stop. New abortion clinic slogan
[10:01:32] <arti> gotta catch 'em all?
[10:01:35] <crutchy_> never heard of any dictator killing himself for being part of the problem
[10:02:05] <crutchy_> maybe some japanese samurai might have i dunno
[10:02:39] <arti> seppuku!
[10:02:47] <Subsentient> crutchy: Well the thing is, indeed, everyone thinks they're right, and someone probably is. But that doesn't matter because everyone thinks they are right, including you :^)
[10:02:59] <crutchy_> of course :)
[10:03:05] <crutchy_> human nature
[10:03:07] <arti> some of us are on the left, ahem
[10:03:14] <Konomi> you could just accept compromise
[10:03:19] <crutchy_> you can fight it, but you cant win
[10:03:22] <arti> that's defeat talking
[10:03:37] <arti> 10 minutes in the coop for you
[10:03:42] * arti opens the door
[10:04:07] <Konomi> do I get high speed internet at least?
[10:04:10] <crutchy_> compromise is a core strength of capitalism; you get what you pay for
[10:04:28] <Konomi> going to go see if I can compromise with the vendor of my next pc
[10:04:29] <Konomi> brb
[10:04:30] <Konomi> ;p
[10:04:40] <arti> use your big boy voice
[10:05:11] <Konomi> reminds me
[10:05:20] <Konomi> some guy offered to come put in my laptop ram once
[10:05:27] <Konomi> creepy ~
[10:05:42] <arti> you should've said you like putting it in yourself
[10:05:49] <Konomi> actually I did
[10:06:21] <Konomi> 3g router I have was kind of a freebie
[10:06:26] <crutchy_> he didn't offer to 'clin zi pol' too?
[10:06:42] <arti> sounds german
[10:06:53] <Konomi> look cute get free stuff not that I was trying...
[10:07:00] <arti> work the system
[10:07:13] <crutchy_> aren't you meant to be an outback chick Konomi?
[10:07:13] <arti> then be like "yeah, the operation made me feel like a complete person."
[10:07:20] <Konomi> attention makes me uncomfortable so I'd rahter not
[10:07:30] <Konomi> crutchy_: I got promote to small city ;p
[10:07:38] <Konomi> still feels like bumsville though
[10:07:39] <crutchy_> you poor thing
[10:07:43] <crutchy_> oh
[10:07:46] <Konomi> just got closer stores now
[10:07:52] <crutchy_> somewhere like warnambool?
[10:07:54] <arti> so uh, what do you do?
[10:07:55] <crutchy_> or echuca
[10:07:58] <Konomi> yeah somewhere like that
[10:08:07] <Konomi> be umemployed
[10:08:07] <ciri> when you coming back. miss ya already! ;) Konomi
[10:08:11] <crutchy_> got relies in warnambool
[10:08:15] <Konomi> not much demand for IT staff in small towns
[10:08:29] <crutchy_> have you tried the schools?
[10:08:42] <Konomi> yup cause I totally want to be around kids
[10:08:43] <crutchy_> go cheap. better than nothing
[10:08:48] <crutchy_> aw lol
[10:09:00] <crutchy_> you don't have to be around the kids
[10:09:00] <Konomi> maybe if it was a primary school
[10:09:03] <Konomi> not teenagers though
[10:09:07] <arti> teens are awesome
[10:09:16] <Konomi> teenagers are evil
[10:09:18] <arti> indeed
[10:09:23] <arti> they go to 11
[10:09:27] <crutchy_> teachers are the ones i'd bee more worried about
[10:09:40] <crutchy_> keniving backstabbing bitches
[10:09:41] <Konomi> crutchy_: a bunch of guys teased my teacher so much he had a heart attack
[10:09:42] <arti> why, do they feed pupuls special cookies there for decades too?
[10:09:47] <Konomi> kids are evillll
[10:09:48] <arti> HAHAHA
[10:09:54] <Konomi> I am not even joking
[10:09:58] <Konomi> ambulence came and everything
[10:10:32] <Konomi> highschool was so crappy
[10:10:32] <crutchy_> some kids in my class used to draw swastikas on the blackboard for the german teacher to walk in on
[10:10:36] <Konomi> once I got to tafe it was awesome
[10:10:39] <crutchy_> i guess thats prolly normal
[10:10:59] <crutchy_> go to uni. it's a total riot..... :/
[10:11:06] <Konomi> people tend to care a bit more when it's not their parents paying for things
[10:11:11] <crutchy_> doeesn't fuck you in the head at all
[10:11:16] <Konomi> I would but I can't afford the liberal bill ;p
[10:11:32] <crutchy_> i only paid mine off a couple of years ago
[10:11:49] <Konomi> colledge won't be worth it soon anyway
[10:11:58] <Konomi> will be the new high school
[10:12:08] <crutchy_> its only a foot in the door, but it is an important one
[10:12:15] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[10:12:17] <arti> found it
[10:12:17] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03RR MARR AHH - YouTube
[10:12:18] <Konomi> it was the foot in the door
[10:12:18] <crutchy_> well, not arts
[10:12:21] <Konomi> it's not anymore
[10:12:52] <crutchy_> engineering, sciences, IT, accounting etc are pretty much prerequisites for some jobs
[10:13:05] <Konomi> jerbs gotta be there
[10:13:09] <crutchy_> try being an engineer without an engineering degree
[10:13:13] <Konomi> well enough of them
[10:13:31] <crutchy_> there's always jobs. you just gotta compete for them
[10:13:36] <Konomi> my friend who livs in queensland did a degree
[10:13:42] <Konomi> did 1 year as an intern
[10:13:45] <Konomi> no job yet
[10:13:48] <crutchy_> competition is hard, but worth it
[10:13:57] <arti> lol
[10:14:09] <Konomi> competition obviously has worked out well for him ;p
[10:14:26] <Konomi> my friend who did tafe in sydney though got an IT job lol
[10:14:29] <Konomi> irony
[10:14:35] <crutchy_> i don't know him, but there's lots of reasons why people don't succeed
[10:15:05] <ar> hm
[10:15:07] <arti> poor attitude, no skill
[10:15:24] <ar> i dropped out of uni after 1.5yr, because i found a job
[10:15:25] <crutchy_> IT jobs seem to be a bit different. i was contemplating doing a CS masters. i didn't in the end cos there didn't seem to be much beenefit
[10:15:44] <arti> you could brag about it to people
[10:15:57] <crutchy_> postgrad isn't really something to brag about
[10:16:10] <crutchy_> it has negative connotations in industry
[10:16:16] <arti> just keep going
[10:16:22] <arti> get two phds
[10:16:25] <crutchy_> lol
[10:16:26] <ciri> i missed it, what are you laughing at? >.>
[10:16:40] <arti> just never leave
[10:16:47] <crutchy_> a lot do
[10:17:01] <arti> campus are full of eyecandy
[10:17:12] <crutchy_> if you study for more than 10 years with no work experience you're pretty much unemployable
[10:17:26] <crutchy_> start from the bottom
[10:18:02] <arti> depends on the field, basically no experience means you're cheap
[10:18:11] <crutchy_> yup
[10:18:43] <crutchy_> degree is just a foot in the door. experience is what brings in the dosh
[10:19:10] <crutchy_> that's why i mentioned kids working not being such a bad thing
[10:19:21] <Konomi> linus never left school for ages lol
[10:19:32] <Konomi> cause he didn't want to write his end thesis
[10:19:44] <crutchy_> linus isn't exactly your typical employment case study though :p
[10:19:53] <Konomi> it's still amusing ;p
[10:20:17] <crutchy_> but to be fair there is experience still
[10:20:25] <crutchy_> even if not working for a company
[10:20:36] <arti> take the snake rabbit guy
[10:20:40] <Konomi> do a degree in AI and automation seems to be the go
[10:20:41] <crutchy_> yeah
[10:20:44] <Konomi> "what do you do for a job"
[10:20:49] <Konomi> "I make you redundent"
[10:20:52] <crutchy_> i bet he could get a job as a government lobbyist
[10:20:54] <Konomi> best conversation starter
[10:21:01] <arti> konomi is 21?
[10:21:18] <Konomi> my age is a well kept secret \o/
[10:21:27] <arti> explains the anime
[10:21:31] <crutchy_> she's prolly a he
[10:21:34] <Konomi> awesome part of being a girl is you always get put below your actual age xD
[10:21:37] <crutchy_> or an old man
[10:21:43] <arti> ojisan!
[10:21:48] <crutchy_> in uzbekistan
[10:21:59] <Konomi> does crutchy_ look like an old man now?
[10:22:06] <Konomi> are the pregancy strech marks showing
[10:22:07] <crutchy_> i feel like an old man
[10:22:15] <arti> the decade of the greys
[10:22:34] <arti> btw which one of you are doing the driving with the younguns?
[10:22:45] <Konomi> proud of my driving history
[10:22:49] <Konomi> I have never been fined
[10:22:50] <Konomi> ever
[10:22:52] <Konomi> \o/
[10:23:09] <crutchy_> i drive with younguns
[10:23:16] <arti> i mean teaching
[10:23:23] <Konomi> the only accident I've been in is a tyre blow out
[10:23:23] <crutchy_> i got to blow a tube the other day :D
[10:23:28] <Konomi> that was so scary x.x
[10:23:34] <crutchy_> i was in a rollover
[10:23:46] <Konomi> scary
[10:23:49] <arti> i always think about that going down a pass at like 20 over the speed limit
[10:23:50] <crutchy_> as a passenger though
[10:23:51] <Konomi> i was 1 metre from a tree when I stopped
[10:23:59] <arti> i've had it happen once too, pretty awesome
[10:24:07] <Konomi> reused tyres just say no
[10:24:23] <crutchy_> also fishtailed on a dirt track at night once
[10:24:30] <crutchy_> *that* was scary
[10:24:38] <Konomi> I honestly hate driving
[10:24:42] <Konomi> I'd rahter be the passenger
[10:24:56] <crutchy_> i'm more scared of the wankers driving around me
[10:25:12] <Konomi> oh I'm still scared of that
[10:25:30] <arti> i can't wait for automation
[10:25:35] <Konomi> I'm a pretty robotic sort of person so I drive carefully
[10:25:38] <arti> driving, cars routed like packets
[10:25:45] <Konomi> still hear my damn driving instructors voice in my head actually
[10:25:51] <Konomi> it's the other drivers that scare me
[10:25:54] <crutchy_> people who drive at 90 km/hr in all speed zones are fucking annoying
[10:26:08] <arti> "express lane? hah!"
[10:26:14] <crutchy_> you overtake them in a 100 km/hr zone and then they're right up your arse in an 80 zone
[10:26:15] <Konomi> people who cross lanes on round abouts
[10:26:19] <Konomi> kill kill kill
[10:27:16] <Konomi> they always complain about young people being dangerous too
[10:27:25] <Konomi> but I have avoided so many close calls with seniors
[10:27:32] <crutchy_> people who don't look at roundabouts and just go flying through them :/
[10:28:00] <Konomi> heh just recalled that south park ep so good
[10:28:01] <Konomi> xD
[10:28:03] <crutchy_> i find that morons on mobile phones are the worse
[10:28:18] <crutchy_> they just have nfi what is going on around them at all
[10:28:22] <arti> people bring their regional driving habits with them and they're all in conflict.
[10:28:36] <crutchy_> worse than drink drivers
[10:28:44] <Konomi> arti: people get upset when I say the traffic in my country city is worse than melbourne ;p
[10:28:53] <Konomi> if the people here drived in melboure be accidents everywhere
[10:28:55] <crutchy_> melbourne is actually not bad
[10:28:59] <arti> i've been rear ended by someone on their phone
[10:29:02] <arti> head down in their lap
[10:29:02] <crutchy_> sydney on the other hand...
[10:29:10] <Konomi> I ignre the phone when it rings when i am in my car
[10:29:24] <Konomi> hate phones anyway
[10:29:37] <crutchy_> taxis are the most dangerous in cities
[10:29:44] <crutchy_> they get complacent
[10:29:50] <crutchy_> and drive into people :/
[10:30:02] <Konomi> yep took a bunch of cabs last time I was in melbourne
[10:30:07] <Konomi> was scary
[10:30:13] <Konomi> also I hate when they want you to guide them to the spot
[10:30:18] <arti> "buttclenching goodness"
[10:30:26] <Konomi> it's your job to get to the destination not mine idiot
[10:30:27] <arti> just bring coal with you next time
[10:30:39] <arti> traffic conflict diamonds
[10:30:41] <crutchy_> i took a taxi in brisbane which wasn't bad
[10:30:57] <crutchy_> he had one of those gps thingys but mostly knew where he was going anyway
[10:31:03] <crutchy_> i had nfi
[10:31:10] <Konomi> I had someone ask me even when they had a gps
[10:31:23] <Konomi> I think they had trouble with the spelling...
[10:31:27] <crutchy_> it was only from one side of the airport to the other, but that is kinda easier said than done
[10:32:24] <crutchy_> some names have weird spelling
[10:32:30] <crutchy_> nar nar goon
[10:32:33] <crutchy_> love that one
[10:32:47] <arti> yes
[10:32:50] <arti> nar nar goon
[10:32:57] <arti> sounds like a star wars planet
[10:33:00] <crutchy_> there's a few good ones on the newell hwy
[10:33:05] <arti> one of the hutt worlds
[10:33:06] <crutchy_> lol
[10:33:08] <ciri> HEHEHEHE
[10:33:18] <crutchy_> it even has a train station arti
[10:33:22] <arti> that's awesome
[10:33:28] <arti> you guys have so many unique names
[10:33:38] <crutchy_> i'm not from there but i'm originally from a town with a weird name
[10:33:41] <arti> i've lived in areas with native names
[10:34:13] <crutchy_> its all thanks to our stole... i mean native heritage :p
[10:34:39] <arti> snoqualamie, skykomish, skagit,
[10:34:46] <arti> snohomish
[10:36:06] <crutchy_> sounds like this guy named them: https://www.youtube.com
[10:36:07] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Best of Evan Baxter - YouTube
[10:36:12] <ar> "some people collect stories, some people collect jokes, some people collect jokes. i collect private keys."
[10:36:20] <ar> "technical stand-up comedy. but instead of jokes, we have vulnerabilities"
[10:36:39] <arti> :>
[10:44:01] <KonomiNetbook> http://www.phoronix.com
[10:44:03] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03[Phoronix] That Peculiar Linux 3.18 Kernel Bug Might Be Closed Soon
[10:49:41] <Konomi> had a feeling that'd be a hardware bugh
[11:03:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tesla Roadster 3.0 Prototype: 400 Miles on a Single Charge - http://sylnt.us - road-trip
[11:05:32] <ar> niiiice
[11:06:21] <crutchy_> its a pity electric cars not big in australia
[11:06:30] <crutchy_> there's a few hybrids
[11:09:03] <ar> i would've thought that because of all the sunlight you would get a lot of cheap/free solar-powered charging stations
[11:09:26] <Konomi> current government hates renewables
[11:17:40] <crutchy_> konomi: i had a dream once. unfortunately reality caught up with me. https://github.com
[11:17:40] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03exec-irc-bot/stuff/pipedream at master · crutchy-/exec-irc-bot · GitHub
[11:18:25] <crutchy_> started when i was at uni. fresh full of ideas ready to change the world
[11:18:43] <crutchy_> actually started prolly before that
[11:18:56] <crutchy_> ssto stuff was when i was in high school
[11:19:16] <crutchy_> ssto was actually the topic of one of my english cats in vce
[11:19:55] <crutchy_> shitty html. it was content that was intended to form part of a website that never really happened
[11:19:57] <Konomi> I actually see solar as one of the first step of people being more independant
[11:20:12] <crutchy_> lots of solar panels on roofs around here
[11:20:35] <Konomi> I often think of how wonderful thigns would be if we had a small briefcased sized power source and the replicators from star trek
[11:20:38] <Konomi> ;p
[11:20:56] <crutchy_> i haven't gone solar (yet) mainly because insurance policies don't cover them and they prolly need replacing every 10 years or so
[11:22:27] <crutchy_> Konomi, i've been looking at permanent magnets as a possible source of free energy since i was in high school
[11:22:34] <crutchy_> permanent magnets are magical things
[11:22:44] <crutchy_> one of the fundamental forces of the universe
[11:22:49] <crutchy_> not well understood
[11:22:52] <Konomi> they aren't free
[11:23:02] <Konomi> you'd wear them down after awhile
[11:23:06] <crutchy_> true
[11:23:12] <crutchy_> free is relative
[11:23:24] <Konomi> tell that to the crazies on youtube ;p
[11:23:45] <crutchy_> yes. i think some of them have the right idea, but most have the wrong approach
[11:24:08] <Konomi> I think they lack the understanding of thermodynamics
[11:24:22] <crutchy_> i don't think it has anything to do with thermodynamcis
[11:24:37] <crutchy_> magnetism is more fundamental than that
[11:24:42] <Konomi> >.>
[11:24:46] <crutchy_> it occurs at the subatomic level
[11:25:23] <crutchy_> the only way to stop electronic motion is to cool a material to absolute zero
[11:25:28] <crutchy_> very hard to do
[11:25:58] <crutchy_> call them extremely efficient heat engines
[11:28:23] <crutchy_> the problem that youtube crazies have is they don't understand newton's laws of motion
[11:30:19] <crutchy_> they make devices that almost work, but whenever you turn magnets around on each other, they have to get back to their starting point and its usually that last part where the opposition comes to play
[11:30:46] <crutchy_> there's lots of different configurations, but they all have that common flaw
[11:32:11] <crutchy_> i've filled countless notepads with ideas on this stuff. good way to learn about mechanics, but the more i look into it the more i think magnets have the capacity. its just that humans don't yet have the knowhow
[11:35:04] <crutchy_> i love picking up a couple of bar magnets and just playing with them
[11:35:12] <crutchy_> feeling the forces
[11:35:25] <crutchy_> fucking weird things
[11:46:57] <Konomi> I must be one of the few people who is quite content with how physics works
[11:47:10] <Konomi> I never found any of it to be weird
[11:47:35] <crutchy_> if there was nothing strange about physics nobody would want to study it :p
[11:49:03] <crutchy_> even seemingly mundane things like material engineering can result in some whacky breakthroughs
[11:49:25] <crutchy_> cement that sets in minutes (for example)
[11:50:09] <crutchy_> or adhesives
[11:50:23] <crutchy_> aerogels
[11:51:02] <crutchy_> there's so much we don't know about the physical world we live in let alone what's beyond the atmosphere
[11:54:32] <crutchy_> the fact that so many physicists write off permanent magnets as a potential source of energy means that few people are looking at it realistically, so its really no surprise that there has been little development in the field of magnetism beyond electromagnets and toys
[11:54:54] <crutchy_> well, that i know of :p
[11:56:45] <crutchy_> not that i support the funding of financial black holes, but it would be nice to see the scientific community open their minds a little
[12:39:56] <Konomi> 1. neodinum magnets are rare
[12:40:12] <Konomi> 2. the magnetism runs out fields that are exterted upon lose their strength
[12:40:33] <Konomi> energy can never be created no destroyed only converted
[12:40:43] <Konomi> or*
[12:40:53] <crutchy_> so. don't see any of those being a problem
[12:41:11] <crutchy_> the energy comes from latent heat
[12:41:44] <crutchy_> well actually i'm not sure about that. but it must come from somewhere
[12:42:57] <crutchy_> to blindly assume that permanent magnets can't be used to generate (relatively) free work because of some archaic human understanding of the universe is as backwards as those that thought the world was flat
[12:44:02] <crutchy_> i'm sure they had their so called 'proof' of that too. until that proof was proven wrong
[12:44:52] <crutchy_> that's the fundamental problem with science; it is basically a religion. the prophets merely have different names; einstein, newton, hook, etc
[12:45:39] <crutchy_> sure ssome of it can be demonstrated, but surely that doesn't mean its the *only* way it could possibly ever work
[12:47:52] <crutchy_> i've been exposed to this stuff probably more than most; i've sat through lectures on the energy equation, enthalpy, entropy, etc
[12:48:02] <crutchy_> but i don't buy it as gospel
[12:53:57] <crutchy_> also, the energy equation applies to heat, not magnetism or gravity
[12:56:46] <crutchy_> if mass can be converted to energy, could magnetism? fiik
[13:06:09] <crutchy_> meh. i'm just a sceptic
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[14:00:35] <crutchy> ~last xlefay
[14:09:44] <exec> last privmsg for xlefay in #soylent: [2014-09-02 08:16:21] I need to eat some and get some sleep. I'll tty'all later ;-) Take care!
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[14:35:44] <Konomi> https://xkcd.com
[14:35:44] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03xkcd: Nerd Sniping
[14:35:46] <Konomi> pure evil
[14:35:58] <Konomi> lol end panel x.x
[14:36:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tough Year for Science - http://sylnt.us - by-my-heart-and-by-my-hand
[15:44:38] * Konomi drops a pin ~
[15:47:17] <nick> shhh
[15:50:10] <Konomi> mew ._.
[15:58:15] <Konomi> https://soylentnews.org
[15:58:16] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN comment by Anonymous Coward
[15:58:18] <Konomi> some of the comments we get
[16:28:29] <nick> i havn't been around for a while now, havn't had time to even look at the site :/
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[22:11:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ponemon Institute's Report Highlights Greater Trust in FOSS Among IT Pros when Compared to EULAware - http://sylnt.us - OS-for-teh-win
[22:15:33] <chromas> Ponemon—Gotta match 'em all!
[22:21:24] <crutchy_> what's EULAware?
[22:32:50] <chromas> windows
[22:33:11] <chromas> End-User License Agreement
[22:34:04] <crutchy_> isn't foss considered eulaware?
[22:34:07] <ar> http://www.necn.com
[22:34:07] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Police: Woman Threw Meat at Officers, Said She Was There to "Feed the Pigs" | NECN
[22:34:32] <chromas> Don't feed the pigs. We keep them hungry for a reason
[22:35:01] <chromas> crutchy_: there's no license for the 'end user' to accept for foss
[22:35:18] <chromas> since it doesn't consider the concept of 'end users'
[22:35:51] <crutchy_> i thought the gpl2 had all them 'no warranty' and 'use at own risk' stuff
[22:36:02] <crutchy_> dunno i haven't really read it :p
[22:36:50] <chromas> I think that's more of a liability disclaimer
[22:37:13] <chromas> although I, ANAL
[22:38:07] <crutchy_> lol i was almost gunna do "~define ANAL" but thought i better not :p
[22:38:08] <ciri> i don't think it's that funny lol
[22:39:40] <chromas> it'd probably be something nonsexual
[22:39:47] <chromas> 'cause that's what you'd expect
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