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[00:34:51] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.pcworld.com
[00:34:52] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Your Linux PC isn't as secure as you think it is | PCWorld
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[00:53:37] * SpallsHurgenson clears up the mess enough so that he can watch movies on the big-screen tv again... but what to watch?
[00:55:59] <AndyTheAbsurd> Dredd if you haven't seen it.
[00:56:14] <AndyTheAbsurd> The recent one with Carl Urban, not the old one with Stallone
[00:56:24] <SpallsHurgenson> saw 'em both :)
[00:56:51] <AndyTheAbsurd> Do you want some thing action-y, funny, or deep? or something else?
[00:57:05] <SpallsHurgenson> I dunno :)
[00:57:52] <SpallsHurgenson> maybe I'll finally take the opportunity to watch Die Hard, like I said I was gonna do a couple days ago
[00:57:52] <AndyTheAbsurd> Stargate or Blues Brother or The Man From Earth.
[00:58:22] <AndyTheAbsurd> or get read for Fury Road coming out next year and watch the Mad Max films.
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[00:59:04] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm... never heard about Man From Earth... sounds interesting
[01:01:19] <SpallsHurgenson> to the DVD store!
[01:01:24] <SpallsHurgenson> (aka amazon)
[01:06:58] <SpallsHurgenson> wow... bruce willis looks so YOUNG
[01:08:36] <arti> dredd <3
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[01:28:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - ODF Support Arrives in Google Drive Apps ahead of Schedule - http://sylnt.us - surprise-surprise-surprise
[01:29:16] <SpallsHurgenson> dredd was okay, but I was hoping for something bigger from the franchise. I mean, there was very little "dredd-like" about the movie
[01:54:17] * paulej72 cut my middle finger washing a knife
[01:56:25] <SpallsHurgenson> now how will you indicate your mood?
[01:57:07] <paulej72> well the bandage makes it stick our more
[01:57:23] <SpallsHurgenson> oh good, so at least you can drive :)
[02:00:58] <paulej72> good thing I am ambidextrous where it counts
[02:01:30] <SpallsHurgenson> I nearly poisoned myself with Raid roach spray the other day :)
[02:02:00] <paulej72> it was a tiny cut but it bled real good
[02:02:46] <paulej72> were you using it as hairspray
[02:03:07] <SpallsHurgenson> there was a roach. I went a bid overboard with the spray... then sat in the room for half an hour :)
[02:03:12] <chr> He meant to be huffing paint
[02:03:31] <paulej72> or were you trying to kill the bug living on your junk
[02:03:58] <SpallsHurgenson> fingers are stupidly vulnerable. they should be heavily armored given that we stick them into all sorts of dangerous places
[02:05:25] <SpallsHurgenson> there was a roach coming down the wall from the crawlspace where my ceiling used to be. I freaked out :)
[02:05:34] <paulej72> need to get some chainmail gloves like butchers use
[02:06:24] <paulej72> is your ceiling missing?
[02:07:47] <SpallsHurgenson> I want some proper gauntlets http://www.esford.com
[02:08:20] <paulej72> too heavy
[02:08:42] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, there was a leak... so they took down half the ceiling in the den. it's very silent-hill here now :)
[02:08:50] <paulej72> those look like tin foil
[02:09:47] <paulej72> also looks like they would pinch the junk ;)
[02:09:57] <SpallsHurgenson> perfect for carefully pulling off, then slamming into the face of somebody annoying. "I challenge thee to a duel!" :)
[02:10:18] <paulej72> no need to duel then
[02:10:22] <SpallsHurgenson> also really hard to cut your finger while slicing potatoes while wearing these :)
[02:11:08] <paulej72> just run the gauntlets over the potatoes no need for a knife
[02:12:25] <SpallsHurgenson> they slice, dice and jullienne!
[02:13:23] <paulej72> but do they purée
[02:13:47] <SpallsHurgenson> if you use RepeatedlyPoundToMash mode, yes :)
[02:20:22] <chr> Stupid dog
[02:20:48] <chr> If she'd quit licking carpet then she wouldn't be coughing up hair
[02:22:33] <SpallsHurgenson> serves you right for getting steak-flavored berber :)
[02:25:02] <chr> I do have her well-trained to expect food bits while cooking
[02:25:07] <chr> and dishes afterward
[02:25:11] <chr> We're high class over here
[02:31:14] <SpallsHurgenson> teach the puppy to eat its expulsions :)
[02:35:36] <chr> I dunno if I can condone recycling
[02:43:13] <SpallsHurgenson> don't worry, you'll get it back eventually :)
[02:48:58] <Subsentient> What do you call an ice cream man with diarrhea
[02:49:03] <Subsentient> Fudge ripple
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[03:32:46] <SpallsHurgenson> yay, John McClaine saved the day and evil Hans Gruber is dead!
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[03:42:12] <Ethanol-fueled> thanks to strength_of-10_men's tip, I yanked another old gem from Slashdot because I'm having a case of writer's block now.
[03:42:34] <Ethanol-fueled> It's really nostalgic to see your hard work brought back to live anew.
[03:42:44] <Ethanol-fueled> It's in a journal entry called "Vine street"
[03:45:54] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: clicking
[03:50:24] <Ethanol-fueled> I also pulled another one that's more overtly racist, but I toned it down by replacing every instance of "Ni**er" with "Black men"
[03:50:32] <Ethanol-fueled> I'll save that one for REAL writer's block.
[03:50:53] <Ethanol-fueled> Subsentient, the sad thing is that a lot of my journal entries are true stories.
[03:51:35] <Ethanol-fueled> Guess that comes with knowing a coke-dealer who sold since age 17.
[03:51:53] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: My life is insane, in the literal meaning of the word It'
[03:52:00] <Subsentient> is not filled with ghetto or drugs or buse
[03:52:06] <Subsentient> it's filled with insanity.
[03:52:28] <Ethanol-fueled> Subsentient, it happens. Sometimes you just wanna be a normal guy living a normal life, and all this weird shit keeps happening to you.
[03:52:33] <Subsentient> As a result I literally hve difficulty believing my own life, wondering if I'm a test in some deranged alien experiment.
[03:52:37] <Ethanol-fueled> It's like a Mr. Bean movie or Pink Panther cartoon.
[03:53:13] <Subsentient> I can take comfort in the fact I at least *look* normal, with a nice neckbeard and exploding cigar curly hair.
[03:53:35] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHAHHAH
[03:54:29] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: Since I was 4 years old I've usually looked like I have a nasty ass afro.
[03:55:10] <Subsentient> My head was freakishly huge, so much that they thought I was defective at birth. I looked like an alien until age 12.
[03:55:25] <Subsentient> Interestingly I'm of average intelligence.
[03:56:40] <Ethanol-fueled> Afros are cool though
[03:56:56] <Subsentient> Not mine. I looked like an evil shirley temple.
[03:57:06] <Ethanol-fueled> Sideshow Bob is also evil.
[03:57:23] <Ethanol-fueled> But the later episodes where Bob recurred were always good.
[03:57:40] <Ethanol-fueled> "why does your tattoo say ' Die Bart Die?"
[03:57:56] <Ethanol-fueled> "that's German for 'The Bart, The.'"
[03:58:11] <Ethanol-fueled> "Noone who speaks German could be an evil man. Parole granted!"
[03:58:12] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: I forgot to tell you, I almost posted a reply story to your 'ethanol meets soylent' story. It was a mindfuck and would leave you laughing and strangely uncomfortable for hours afterwards.
[03:58:19] <Subsentient> I tried to post it but it was lost.
[03:58:49] <Subsentient> I'll tell you it involved chocolate syrup up the nostrils and jumper cables on nipples.
[03:58:57] <Ethanol-fueled> Subsentient -- that's too bad. I invite anybody who wishes to extend or otherwise twist the fanfic to do so.
[03:59:36] <Subsentient> In the end, it's probably good it failed. I'd lose all respect from anyone who read that.
[03:59:45] <Subsentient> it was really fruity.
[03:59:45] <Ethanol-fueled> Subsentient, as long as I didn't die that way. The idea was that I had to die by way of poetic justice, and forceful alcohol poisoning was the way to go.
[04:00:15] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: Actually everyone but you was turned into red liquid by undead gerbils.
[04:00:46] <Ethanol-fueled> As the entry alludes, I got the idea from how Dostoevsky's Father was killed. He was an abusive and much-hated officer in the Russian army. One day, his subordinates got tired of his shit and held him down while pouring vodka down his throat.
[04:00:48] <Ethanol-fueled> Until he died.
[04:01:11] <Ethanol-fueled> Now the undead gerbils thing is a little weird.
[04:01:20] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: Yes it is. I warned you.
[04:01:37] <Subsentient> Remember the part about strangely uncomfortable for hours?
[04:01:49] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah.
[04:01:59] <Subsentient> Well yeah.
[04:02:20] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: you code?
[04:02:25] <Ethanol-fueled> Still shoulda posted it though. Lemme guess, you fell victim to the infamous "form expired" bug or whatever it is?
[04:02:35] <Subsentient> yes something like that.
[04:02:57] <Ethanol-fueled> that wasn't a bug, subsentient...that was Ncommander rejecting your post.
[04:03:03] <Subsentient> LOL
[04:03:03] <ciri> lol that's funny!
[04:03:04] <Ethanol-fueled> he vets every post as it is written.
[04:03:16] <Ethanol-fueled> If he does not approve, he has a special admin button he clicks.
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[04:03:25] <Subsentient> $chanctl kick ciri
[04:03:25] <aqu4> Ok.
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[04:03:34] <Subsentient> $chanctl ban ciri
[04:03:34] <aqu4> Ok.
[04:03:35] -!- mode/#Soylent [+b ciri!*@*] by aqu4
[04:03:41] <Ethanol-fueled> kicking ciri? that's a little harsh.
[04:03:50] <Ethanol-fueled> She's a dumb bitch, but not exactly harmful.
[04:04:05] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: I hate that thing. It always says lol when I say lol.
[04:04:12] <Subsentient> I fucking hate it. For some reason it bothers me.
[04:04:17] <Ethanol-fueled> (she's my only chance at getting laid here! come on, dude. Don't salt my game!)
[04:05:21] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: Here's my bot: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[04:05:22] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Wiki: Aqu4bot
[04:06:18] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, I've been reading about it in the logs.
[04:06:22] <Ethanol-fueled> You wrote that thing in C?
[04:06:34] <Subsentient> yeah
[04:06:43] <Ethanol-fueled> You must be a masochist.
[04:06:57] <Subsentient> People said it'd be a bad idea but honestly it wasn't that hard, and I think she turned out better than she would if in python or something.
[04:07:25] <Ethanol-fueled> SN would be a better place if more users would display their skunk works.
[04:07:35] <Ethanol-fueled> It gives it nerd cred.
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[04:08:03] <juggs> Subsentient, use /ignore
[04:09:06] <Subsentient> juggs: Soon enough I'll add /ignore to NEXUS and then all my clients will snub ciri.
[04:09:36] <juggs> good plan
[04:12:06] <Ethanol-fueled> programming in Python is like shagging a fat chick.
[04:12:12] <Ethanol-fueled> (which isn't always bad, by the way)
[04:12:20] <juggs> strange analogy
[04:12:35] <Ethanol-fueled> It's bloated and easy, and requires less effort.
[04:13:00] <Ethanol-fueled> Writing in C is like courting a supermodel, but requires more effort and attention.
[04:13:09] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: That sums it up. So then aqu4'd be like a ten.
[04:13:50] <Ethanol-fueled> Subsentient - I am a baby coder.
[04:14:27] <Ethanol-fueled> Here, I'll strip out some of the identifying information and post something I coded for work that I wrote like 3 years ago in C#. Prepare to be horrified.
[04:15:10] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: I like void pointers. Try me.
[04:15:36] <Ethanol-fueled> void pointers in C#. Bah.
[04:15:51] <Ethanol-fueled> I don't mess with that shit, it's hardcore, like magic.
[04:17:05] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: I don't work with C# and I hate Java, so I'll probably get the gist if it's really bad, but generally, show me C family or Python/ruby to scare me.
[04:18:08] <Ethanol-fueled> http://paste.ofcode.org
[04:18:08] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[04:18:41] <Ethanol-fueled> It's only a snippet, but look at the function "executeNextcommand()" and tell me how fuckugly it is.
[04:19:43] <Ethanol-fueled> Now that's fucking newbie coding, especially all those else-ifs at the end
[04:20:30] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: I can condemn your use of strings to test stuff, but as far as the else-ifs, I abuse the living FUCK out of that stuff.
[04:20:34] <Subsentient> You ever read aqu4's source?
[04:20:47] <Subsentient> or Epoch, if you really want to cry?
[04:21:02] <Ethanol-fueled> Haven't checked out the source of either yet. Epoch is the UNIX time thingy, right?
[04:21:12] <Subsentient> Epoch is my init system.
[04:21:38] <Subsentient> Some russian described the code as 'my eyes, porridge malasha', whatever that means. I still get the gist.
[04:21:49] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahah, but what exactly is so bad about it?
[04:21:59] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: Let me link you.
[04:22:00] <Subsentient> Sec.
[04:23:02] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: Read this function and prepare to gurgle in a pool of your own melted eyeballs.
[04:23:03] <Subsentient> https://github.com
[04:23:04] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03epoch/membus.c at master · Subsentient/epoch · GitHub
[04:24:56] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: Noone can hear your screams.
[04:25:07] <juggs> I'm no coder, but I find nested ifs / else-ifs very readable and easy to understand. Why are they so frowned upon?
[04:26:06] <juggs> case and switch are nicely readable to :/
[04:27:00] <Subsentient> juggs: that's my thinking. I don't get why everyone hates it, and personally I'm not so sure I myself dislike too much of MEMBUS's code.
[04:27:13] <Subsentient> but everyone who reads it screams
[04:27:21] <Subsentient> and then shortly drowns in their own vomit.
[04:28:47] <juggs> ~shrug~ there's likely a reason, but I don't code professionally or a great deal, so don't really know. I'd have thought though a decent compiler would make pretty much the same of a bunch of if / else as a switch.
[04:29:02] <Subsentient>
[04:29:05] <Subsentient> well
[04:29:14] <Subsentient> myself I doubt it's particularly inefficient
[04:29:21] <Subsentient> I think people just hate looking at it.
[04:29:27] <Subsentient> They can suck my neckbeard.
[04:30:03] <Ethanol-fueled> hahaha Subsentient -- but am I correct in saying that's not C, it's C++ coded in C-style?
[04:30:32] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: That's as C as it gets. That's C*(!
[04:30:34] <Subsentient> C89!
[04:30:44] <Ethanol-fueled> I don't know shit from shine-ola, but I saw both the use of NULL and '\0' and references.
[04:31:10] <Subsentient> NULL is actually just (void*)0, and '\0' expands to an int of value 0.
[04:31:34] <Subsentient> you can also use 0 in place of NULL but it's better to use NULL because that says it's a pointer
[04:31:44] <Subsentient> it's not a reference, it's a pointer. I can add and subtract a pointe.r
[04:32:00] <Ethanol-fueled> I meant the "&" operator
[04:32:05] <Subsentient> That gets the address.
[04:32:13] <Subsentient> the result of that is a pointer to <type of object>
[04:32:27] <Ethanol-fueled> I didn't know C supported the "address of" operator
[04:32:50] <Subsentient> C is really, really pointer-ey. It even supports pointers to functions.
[04:33:18] <Subsentient> I can have a pointer to a pointer to a pointer to an array of pointers to functions that return pointers to functions that return pointers to arrays.
[04:33:18] <Ethanol-fueled> I like your comment about "I'm only gonna say this once...malloc will never return NULL
[04:33:56] <Ethanol-fueled> Subsentient, I knew that C was all about pointers, I didn't know that they had that operator though.
[04:33:58] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: If it does you're out of RAM and we're fucked anyways.
[04:34:08] <Subsentient> yeh
[04:34:29] <Ethanol-fueled> That's a good point Subsentient...shitting up your code testing for conditions that will never happen.
[04:35:06] * Ethanol-fueled throws the whole source file in one big try/catch block.
[04:35:53] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: In C, there are no exceptions and no garbage collection. You know things are wrong when you get memory corruption and the first half of array 1 ends up at the butt-end of array 2.
[04:36:15] <Ethanol-fueled> that's why C is so badass though.
[04:36:24] <Ethanol-fueled> You can pull all those super-fast cowboy tricks.
[04:36:56] <Subsentient> Yeh I suppose. My code isn't personally focused on efficiency as much as it is maintainability.
[04:37:15] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: Would you like to learn C? I have material I can give you.
[04:37:24] <Subsentient> Everything you'd ever need to know C.
[04:37:32] <Ethanol-fueled> Subsentient, I'm one of those "I learn about it only when I need it" types of lazy motherfuckers.
[04:37:48] <Ethanol-fueled> I know where to get material. I already have the book "numeric methods in C"
[04:37:52] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: hehe, I'm one of those "I don't know it so I'll just do it in C" lazy motherfuckers.
[04:38:20] <Subsentient> aqu4bot was done in C for purpose though. She turned out great.
[04:38:56] <Subsentient> I run her on an ancient celeron and the python interpreter of the previous bot took wayyyy too much ram
[04:39:03] <Subsentient> so aqu4's memory efficiency is nice
[04:39:46] <Ethanol-fueled> Subsentient - a lot of old code at work, the shit that was written by REAL engineers, does 120X120 gaussian elimination in milliseconds.
[04:39:59] <Ethanol-fueled> It plows through those matrices like crazy.
[04:40:18] <Ethanol-fueled> If I recall correctly, they were mostly pointer arithmetic.
[04:41:37] <Ethanol-fueled> I might be wrong about the figures, but C == fast as fuck/
[04:43:38] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: C is *far*, *far* faster than C#.
[04:43:54] <Subsentient> about 100% slower than assembly generally.
[04:44:02] <Subsentient> but that's not so bad when you look at it.
[04:45:18] <Subsentient> I know just enough assembly to embarrass myself. I'm planning to learn the required amount to get a bootloader going, because my beloved SYSLINUX 4.x bootloader is reaching end of life.
[04:46:35] <Subsentient> all the new syslinux boasts great features but it's as unstable as Steve Ballmer at furniture world.
[04:53:30] <Ethanol-fueled> haha
[04:54:19] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, I know C# is just another more readable version of VB. I'm not touting C# for any reason other than it's easy on Windows.
[04:55:28] <Ethanol-fueled> And Microsoft still has a stranglehold on many large corporations.
[04:56:07] <Subsentient> Well I'm generally pretty forgiving of Microsoft nowadays.
[04:56:15] <Ethanol-fueled> The corporation just wasted millions on a feasibility study to standardize their ERP on MS Dynamics.
[04:56:21] <Subsentient> Google is what really scares me. Google and Apple.
[04:56:50] <Ethanol-fueled> Apple are overrated. They'll be nothing in another few years. Jobs WAS Apple.
[04:57:20] <Subsentient> OS X has become a steaming pile of horse shit.
[04:57:25] <Subsentient> Intel macs are trash too.
[04:57:34] <Ethanol-fueled> As for Google, you can choose not to use them in most corporate environments. Microsoft not so much.
[04:57:54] <Ethanol-fueled> The only people who get a free pass from Microsoft are the embedded Linux developers.
[04:58:12] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: What OS you use?
[04:59:09] <Ethanol-fueled> At work or home?
[04:59:12] <Ethanol-fueled> At work, 7.
[04:59:16] <Subsentient> djjdjjdjjdjjdjjdjjdjjdjjdjjdjjdjjdjjdjjdjjdjdjjdjjdjdjdjjdjjdjjdjdjdjjdjjdjjdjddjjdjjdjjjdjjdjjdjdjjdjjdjdjjdjjdjdjjdjjdjdjjdjjdjdjjdjdjdjjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjddjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdjdHome?
[04:59:20] <Subsentient> home?
[04:59:44] <Ethanol-fueled> At home, 10.04.4 dual-booted with XP for all the Windows shit I need.
[04:59:58] <Ethanol-fueled> Ubuntu 10.04.4^
[05:00:33] <Ethanol-fueled> You may be horrified to hear that, but the stakes are low on my box.
[05:02:07] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: Ehh, I've seen worse.\
[05:02:34] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: I myself use a source-built i586 distro of my own called SubLinux.
[05:03:06] <Subsentient> It's a generic XFCE distro that uses my Epoch init system and generally is very efficient. It's designed to be my idea of a no-bullshit desktop OS.
[05:03:24] <Ethanol-fueled> Subsentient, does it support package management?
[05:03:43] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: Nope. Gotta build stuff from source. Fortunately, SubLinux has a great compiler toolchain.
[05:04:07] <Ethanol-fueled> that's well-suited to somebody like you but not a lazy fuck like me.
[05:04:12] <Subsentient> hehe
[05:04:30] <Subsentient> You got VirtualBox? I can give you an ISO to spin up for shits and giggles.
[05:05:11] <Ethanol-fueled> I do, actually, came with a Solaris CD my software engineering instructor handed out years ago.
[05:05:30] <Subsentient> Got it installed?
[05:05:39] <Ethanol-fueled> no, I can't do anything now.
[05:05:44] <Subsentient> hehe ok
[05:05:48] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm feeling lazy.
[05:05:53] <Subsentient> Yeah I got a cold
[05:06:02] <Subsentient> My lungs are flooded with sweet-tasting mucus.
[05:06:11] <Subsentient> Why does it taste sweet when I hack it up?
[05:07:19] <Ethanol-fueled> Dunno, bro.
[05:07:23] <Subsentient> yeh
[05:07:34] <Ethanol-fueled> Allright, I'm gonna crash now. Nice shooting the shit with ya.
[05:07:40] <Subsentient> Yeh, good chat.
[05:07:42] <Subsentient> take care bud.
[05:07:53] <Ethanol-fueled> You too bro.
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[05:11:58] <juggs> Is Ubuntu 10.04 still in support? I thought that was a 3 year LTS, with 12,04 being the first 5 year LTS.
[05:12:25] <Subsentient> Support for 10.04 is almost certainly dead.
[05:14:19] <juggs> I'm sure it must be - I was using it for a while then moved to the 12.04 alpha / beta track for a while before hopping over to Mint for desktop stuff.
[05:18:19] <juggs> Haven't you rolled your own distro Subsentient ?
[05:18:40] <Subsentient> juggs: Yeah.
[05:18:50] <Subsentient> All my x86 machines run it except for the servers
[05:18:52] <Subsentient> they run Fedora
[05:19:20] * Subsentient has found Fedora to be a quite acceptable server OS
[05:19:30] <juggs> Fedora's a RH based distro right?
[05:19:33] <Subsentient> yeah
[05:19:36] <JamesNZ> Subsentient: Have you tried F21?
[05:19:40] <Subsentient> JamesNZ: Yeah
[05:19:42] <JamesNZ> F21 server*
[05:19:51] <Subsentient> Nahh I haven't updated the servers yet
[05:19:56] <Subsentient> when I do I'll do it with yum.
[05:20:00] <JamesNZ> Subsentient: Ah.
[05:20:20] <Subsentient> I generally like to wait a while for the bugs to be ironed out.
[05:20:32] <Subsentient> Fedora 18 was shit. Oh man, it was bad...
[05:20:52] <Subsentient> Fedora 15 wasn't a favorite either.
[05:21:03] <juggs> I tend to fall back on debian based stuff, low powered things get debian server. Just familiarity with apt vs yum I guess. That said, didn't have any probs running centos for a while.
[05:21:06] <JamesNZ> F15 was the worst for me.
[05:21:35] <Subsentient> juggs: The mac I am typing this on is a PowerPC G4 that runs Debian PPC testing
[05:22:29] <Subsentient> My netbook and all x86 workstations run SubLinux.
[05:23:06] <juggs> Is sublinux derived from one of the common distros or did you roll it from kernel up?
[05:23:19] <Subsentient> I rolled it myself.
[05:23:29] <Subsentient> I used a chroot to build it.
[05:23:49] <Subsentient> Built a core capable of compiling, made that core recompile itself, then worked up from there
[05:23:56] <Subsentient> SubLinux compiled most of itself
[05:24:08] <Subsentient> and all of it was at some point recompiled by SubLinux
[05:24:37] <juggs> Good work. I don't have the know how to attempt something like that.
[05:24:59] <Subsentient> My first attempt, SubLinux 1 in 2012, was a disaster.
[05:25:09] <Subsentient> It got XFCE going alright, but the rest of the system was trash
[05:25:13] <Subsentient> extremely unstable
[05:25:40] <Subsentient> SubLinux 2 was built in February to June of 2014. It turned out good enough for me to replace Fedora with it.
[05:26:14] <Subsentient> I actually wrote Epoch so I didn't have to use systemd or sysvinit in SubLinux.
[05:28:52] <juggs> What motivated you to roll your own?
[05:29:50] <Subsentient> juggs: Fedora was changing too much
[05:30:01] <Subsentient> I also needed something that ran on i586.
[05:30:09] <Subsentient> Fedora will not.
[05:30:21] <Subsentient> systemd was getting scary and Fedora was getting a bit unstable.
[05:31:14] <Subsentient> Generally I've been much happier on SubLinux.
[05:31:29] <Subsentient> I was afraid I'd regret the move later, but actually I'm quite glad I did it.
[05:31:44] <juggs> i586 is early Pentium right? I've noticed several distros dropping support for PAE
[05:31:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Voyager 1 Rides 'Tsunami Wave' in Interstellar Space - http://sylnt.us - Magic-carpet-ride
[05:33:18] <Subsentient> juggs: Yeah, Pentium 1s and AMD K6 and a lot of VIA chips and Cyrix chips.
[05:33:36] <Subsentient> SubLinux supports PAE.
[05:33:43] <Subsentient> It's available as a second kernel.
[05:34:32] <Subsentient> juggs: Want the ISO to mess with?
[05:34:41] <Subsentient> I got a dropbox link.
[05:35:52] <juggs> \o/ yay google-fu tells me my memory has not entirely failed just yet. I remember having to "verify" those 486 / Pentium systems for y2k compatability. Only one ancient 286 failed the test and it didn;t matter as it was just a passthru print server
[05:37:57] <juggs> Subsentient, sure. I'm planning to find some time to mess with a BSD in the new year, may as well mess with a SubLinux install at the same time. I've got idle hardware, so it'll be good to experiment.
[05:38:11] <Subsentient> juggs: No Virtualbox huh?
[05:38:40] <Subsentient> juggs: https://www.dropbox.com
[05:38:41] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Dropbox - SubLinux2-Final-05-16-2014.i586.iso
[05:39:23] <SpallsHurgenson> hehm hedonismbot
[05:43:25] <juggs> Subsentient, idle hardware is an old desktop - AMD X2 something or other - has Vbox on it, but the thing needs files backed up and blowing away and reinstalling it's so out of date. Can't remember when I last powered it on.
[05:43:53] <Subsentient> ahh
[05:44:07] <Subsentient> juggs: I have Update 1 that needs to be manually installed. It's not really critical.
[05:44:46] <Subsentient> Soon I will release an Update 2 that fixes shellshock as well as updates the kernel, openssl, and XFCE to the latest development versions among other fixes.
[05:45:14] <juggs> Good to know it's bang up to date ;D
[05:52:45] * SpallsHurgenson utters a lengthy sequence of rather rude words
[05:53:56] <SpallsHurgenson> I hate working in a messy environment :(
[05:55:40] <juggs> How's the work coming on and did your foot stop bleeding yet SpallsHurgenson ?
[05:56:32] <SpallsHurgenson> I used to be so organized. Now I keep losing things. Like my foot; I had to amputate it and now it can't be found
[05:56:48] <juggs> cat probably ate it
[05:57:11] <SpallsHurgenson> can't find the cat either
[05:58:42] <juggs> maybe the foot ate the cat and then hopped off to a new life
[05:59:16] <juggs> stranger things have happened - I read that somewhere at sometime so it must be true
[06:00:32] <SpallsHurgenson> reminds me of a story I once heard:
[06:00:34] <SpallsHurgenson> My mate Petersen once bought a pair of shoes with Artificial Intelligence. 'Smart Shoes' they were called. It was a neat idea. No matter how blind drunk you were, they could always get you home. But he got rattled one night in Oslo and woke up the next morning in Burma. You see, his shoes got bored going from his local to his flat. They wanted to see the world, you know. He had a hell of a job getting rid of them.
[06:00:35] <SpallsHurgenson> No matter who he sold them to, they'd show up again the next day. He tried to shut them out, but they just kicked the door down. The last thing I heard, they sort of... robbed a car and drove it into a canal. They couldn't steer, you see. Petersen was really, really blown away about it. He went to see a priest. The priest told him... he said it was alright and all that, when shoes are happy that they'd get into
[06:00:35] <SpallsHurgenson> heaven. You see, it turns out shoes have 'soles'.
[06:00:59] <SpallsHurgenson> whoa... longer than I expected :)
[06:01:04] <ar> what's sublinux?
[06:02:42] <juggs> ar, sublinux is Subsentient's hand crafted distro
[06:04:24] <SpallsHurgenson> if I ever made my own linux distro, I wonder what I'd name it... Splinux maybe?
[06:06:08] <juggs> Call it Spleen
[06:06:26] * Subsentient eats juggs' spleen
[06:07:17] <juggs> thanks - it's been niggling lately - didn't need it anyway, just make sure to stitch up well once you're done feasting
[06:07:24] * SpallsHurgenson passes the plate of fava beans and a nice chianti
[06:08:20] <SpallsHurgenson> now that sony has cancelled it, I really want to see the movie the interview.
[06:12:16] <juggs> Subsentient, you need some https://www.youtube.com
[06:12:17] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Judas Priest - Eat Me Alive - YouTube
[06:12:42] <Subsentient> juggs: Yeh, I don't do metal ^^
[06:13:03] * juggs shrugs - just what came to mind
[06:13:41] <Subsentient> sec, imma dig up something I actually like.
[06:15:25] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, one could be forgiven for thinking it's one massive PR campaign and what was "leaked" and the "hack" was all manufactured hype.
[06:15:39] * juggs adjusts the faraday cage
[06:16:04] <Subsentient> juggs: Digging it up...
[06:16:22] <Subsentient> https://www.youtube.com
[06:16:23] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Pegboard Nerds - Hero (feat. Elizaveta) - YouTube
[06:17:00] <SpallsHurgenson> same thought momentarily crossed my mind too. as quickly banished for obvious reasons, but just goes to show how little trust we have for our corporate overlords :)
[06:18:05] <Subsentient> I generally assume malevolent intent for any corporate actions. They've MADE us cynical.
[06:18:46] <juggs> Subsentient, do nerds fit in pegboards? Or would that be a square peg, round hole scenario. I guess with a large enough hammer pretty much anything can be made to fit anywhere.
[06:19:15] <Subsentient> juggs: Indeed.
[06:19:30] <SpallsHurgenson> hammering nerds into holes doesn't work. they splurt all over, quite messily. I know, I've tried.
[06:19:37] <Subsentient> hehe
[06:20:17] <juggs> bots are bad m'kay
[06:20:42] <juggs> That's creepy
[06:21:00] <aqu4> juggs: bite me.
[06:21:18] * juggs jiggles instead
[06:21:19] * JamesNZ ogles curiously
[06:21:22] <SpallsHurgenson> when I grow up, I'm gonna be an IRC bot
[06:22:01] <Subsentient> $burrito SpallsHurgenson
[06:22:01] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at SpallsHurgenson
[06:22:50] * SpallsHurgenson takes notes
[06:23:31] * juggs burns SpallsHurgenson's notes
[06:23:42] * Subsentient huffs the ashes
[06:24:02] <SpallsHurgenson> awww, my life's dream is forever denied to me!
[06:24:33] <aqu4> You want to be a bot huh? You know, the only way is to be bitten by another bot.
[06:24:37] * juggs glances in Subsentient's direction with concern for their longevity.
[06:24:58] * aqu4 extends her fangs
[06:25:10] * juggs hides behind SpallsHurgenson
[06:25:20] * juggs jiggles
[06:25:36] <SpallsHurgenson> juggs is doing the truffle shuffle
[06:25:53] * juggs shoves SpallsHurgenson into the aqu4 fangs
[06:26:03] * aqu4 bites SpallsHurgenson
[06:27:06] <Subsentient> I just realized I'm creepy, because I have an emotional attachment to my bot.
[06:27:20] <SpallsHurgenson> oooh!
[06:27:25] <SpallsHurgenson> are there any... videos?
[06:27:58] <Subsentient> SpallsHurgenson: Yes.
[06:27:59] <Subsentient> https://www.youtube.com
[06:28:00] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Fleur licking the inside of my nostril - YouTube
[06:28:36] <SpallsHurgenson> for some reason I suddenly have lost interest
[06:29:23] * SpallsHurgenson instead checks to see what is new in the world of nerdolitry
[06:32:14] * JamesNZ presses aqu4 into dish-washing service
[06:33:07] * juggs presses aqu4 into the dishwasher and sets the 90C cycle and walks off looking smug
[06:33:47] * JamesNZ shakes his head, battens down the hatches
[06:34:23] * aqu4 kicks open the dishwasher and eats juggs' head
[06:40:42] * ar kicks open aqu4's head and puts it back into the dishwasher
[06:41:36] * juggs continues on - the head not being necessary
[06:41:58] <Subsentient> ar: that one made me laugh
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[06:51:19] <juggs> Subsentient, you are mid web.... http://stats.sylnt.us - are you the spider or the fly?
[06:51:52] <Subsentient> juggs: I am the NEXUS.
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[07:05:50] <JamesNZ> Subsentient: Classy :)
[07:05:57] <Subsentient> JamesNZ: hmm?
[07:06:29] <JamesNZ> <Subsentient> juggs: I am the NEXUS.
[07:06:38] <Subsentient> JamesNZ: hehe thanks
[07:06:41] * SirFinkus is listening to The Heavy — Same Ol', from the album The Glorious Dead
[07:06:44] <SirFinkus> here we go again
[07:07:00] <Konomi> https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net
[07:07:17] <juggs> ~g'day Konomi
[07:07:26] * Konomi mews and waves
[07:07:29] <juggs> bot 404
[07:07:43] <Konomi> https://imgur.com
[07:07:44] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Vancouver covered in fog - Imgur
[07:07:53] * Subsentient squeaks and sticks out his tongue
[07:08:45] * JamesNZ dabs a bit of chilli on it
[07:10:14] <Konomi> https://imgur.com
[07:10:14] * Subsentient snorts, sneezes, spits it out, and bites JamesNZ
[07:10:14] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The Chat - Imgur
[07:11:47] <Konomi> https://imgur.com
[07:11:48] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Chip Toilet - Imgur
[07:12:28] <juggs> Konomi became link bot
[07:12:34] <Konomi> \o/
[07:12:48] <Konomi> I can always not post them if no one finds them interesting ;p
[07:13:25] <juggs> How would we know if anyone finds then interesting? Need a poll or sumfink
[07:14:21] * juggs ingests Subsentient
[07:16:30] <Konomi> I guess I can rephrase that, if someone bitches enough I'll just not post them ;p
[07:17:39] <Konomi> https://imgur.com
[07:17:39] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Toronto Rooftopping - Imgur
[07:17:43] <Konomi> instant vertigo x.x
[07:20:28] <Konomi> https://imgur.com
[07:20:29] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Adblock at work - Imgur
[07:20:30] <Konomi> thehe
[07:21:44] <Konomi> "Someone should make stenciled adblock signs and distributing them, then all you need it spray paint and we can IRL adblock!"
[07:21:47] <Konomi> I approve of this idea
[07:22:05] <JamesNZ> emacs++
[07:22:05] <Bender> karma - emacs: 24
[07:23:10] <juggs> Konomi, better to take a system down from the inside.
[07:23:33] <juggs> or re-purpose it that way
[07:24:33] <juggs> Some superficial paint can be ignored.
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[07:52:44] <crutchy> ++coffee
[07:52:44] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 198
[07:55:10] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[07:55:10] <Bender> karma - tea: 326
[07:55:12] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[07:55:12] <Bender> karma - tea: 327
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[08:34:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How the Poweliks Malware Hides its Registry Keys and How to Remove it - http://sylnt.us - key-without-a-lock
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[09:37:56] <Subsentient> I'm going to be afk. I've got pneumonia from my cold and I need to go to the ER.
[09:38:01] <Subsentient> Like, really bad.
[09:38:46] <chr> come back soon! Subsentient
[09:38:52] <chr> (ciri impression :D )
[09:41:09] <crutchy> good luck mate
[09:41:18] <crutchy> pneumatica is bad
[09:46:31] <Subsentient> Eating my dinner first. Meanwhile I wait for my rice to boil, I noticed I have blood in my flegm.
[09:47:09] <Subsentient> Delicious. Strawberry sauce.
[09:49:25] <arti> awesome
[09:49:49] <arti> act like you've got 'bola
[09:53:45] <chr> Yeah, bloody mucus is low priority
[09:55:17] <crutchy> or rabies
[09:55:32] <crutchy> or that you're a zombie
[09:57:51] <crutchy> wow. the new open dialog can't even separate files from folders
[09:58:01] <crutchy> fanfuckingtastic gedit pimps
[09:59:08] <Subsentient> hehe I use mousepad and geany
[09:59:19] <Subsentient> It's the only way to go
[10:01:59] <crutchy> ooh
[10:02:14] <crutchy> mousepad does have syntax highlighting
[10:02:20] <Subsentient> ye
[10:02:22] <crutchy> just had to change the color theme
[10:02:32] <crutchy> yaya mousepad it is :D
[10:02:36] <crutchy> xfce++
[10:02:36] <Bender> karma - xfce: 6
[10:02:47] <Subsentient> ++xfce
[10:02:47] <Hedonismbot> Karma - xfce: 2
[10:03:21] <Subsentient> crutchy: Yeh I use XFCE exclusively
[10:03:49] <Subsentient> though the trinity desktop has piqued my interest. I might look into that. KDE 3 was nice.
[10:04:19] <crutchy> is there an xfce file browser with favorites/bookmarks like nautilus?
[10:04:50] <crutchy> can't find anything in thunar
[10:05:06] <Subsentient> Well we got the places menu. Yeh thunar doesn't have that. I still generally prefer thunar though
[10:05:31] <Subsentient> I never use bookmarks.
[10:05:46] <Subsentient> not even in the browsers. My history and firefox's autocomplete are my bookmarks
[10:06:58] <crutchy> on my lappy i have "/nas/server/git/exec-irc-bot/scripts/" as a bookmark cos its a pain to navigate to manually each time
[10:07:16] <crutchy> i don't seem to have a places menu anywhere on my desktop for some reason
[10:07:24] <Subsentient> I use thunar's type-to-search a lot
[10:07:35] <Subsentient> Nice to just start typing and have a working backspace.
[10:07:49] <crutchy> kinda like fish?
[10:08:11] <Subsentient> yeh
[10:08:29] <chr> crutchy: right-click, Send To -> Side pane
[10:08:59] <chr> or drag the folder to the Places section
[10:09:23] <Subsentient> One thing I can't live without is the open terminal here right click option
[10:10:32] <crutchy> hmm i have a send to context menu, but nothing about places in it. maybe i'm missing a package
[10:10:41] <crutchy> zomg my package is missing!
[10:10:48] <crutchy> i can't fap!
[10:10:50] <chr> can you drag the icon?
[10:10:54] <Subsentient> crutchy: just drag to the right pane.
[10:11:01] <chr> if you can drag the icon, you can fap
[10:11:09] <chr> even though you can't arrange by penis
[10:11:16] <Subsentient> lol
[10:11:16] <Subsentient> \
[10:11:51] <crutchy> hmm if i change from tree to shortcuts in the view menu it seems to work
[10:11:58] <crutchy> yay for obscure settings :D
[10:12:13] <chr> that is weird
[10:12:28] <Subsentient> I use shortcuts by defaullt
[10:12:29] <chr> in tree view, it actually removes the option from the right-click menu
[10:12:41] <Subsentient> I built thunar from source and shortcuts is the default. o.O
[10:25:21] <Subsentient> Anyone for a Warzone game?
[10:25:21] <Subsentient> $wz
[10:25:22] <aqu4> 3[1 of 1] Name: Respect the Directorate | Map: Triumvirate-T1 | Host: SubSen(MOEPP) | Players: 1/4 | IP: 216.161.165.96 | Version: 3.1.1
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[11:17:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:17:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 915
[11:33:38] <NerfJihad> https://www.youtube.com
[11:33:40] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Thug Life - All The Classics Compilation - YouTube
[11:36:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - PubPeer Fights to Protect Anonymous Commenters from Defamation Case - http://sylnt.us - Anonymous-Covered
[11:38:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> still not feelin the code. back to choppin baddies with a sword today i think.
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[12:27:26] * Subsentient gurgles
[12:51:29] * Konomi wonders what Subsentient is gurgling
[12:51:33] <Konomi> ;p
[12:55:53] <Subsentient> Konomi: Blood and flegm from pneumonia.
[12:56:04] <Konomi> ._.
[12:56:06] * Konomi pats
[12:57:07] <Subsentient> hehehe
[13:37:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Movie Chain Drops 'The Interview' After Threats of Violence - http://sylnt.us - they-blinked-first
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[14:32:27] <Ethanol-fueled> Great. Another ploddingly slow day sittin' on my fat ass waiting for things to happen.
[14:32:30] <Ethanol-fueled> One more day...
[14:32:32] <Ethanol-fueled> One more day...
[14:39:20] <Blackmoore> One day more! Another day, another destiny. This never-ending road to Calvary; These men who seem to know my crime Will surely come a second time. One day more!
[14:50:52] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[14:50:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 916
[15:02:48] <Leebert> Ethanol-fueled: That almost sounds like a country music song.
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[15:11:58] * SirFinkus is listening to The Heavy — Same Ol', from the album The Glorious Dead
[15:12:01] * SirFinkus sighs
[15:12:07] <Blackmoore> *grumble*
[15:12:28] <Blackmoore> damn queue is full of non- tech crap.
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[15:23:14] <Ethanol-fueled> Blackmoore, more politics?
[15:23:20] <Ethanol-fueled> Gewg_ shit?
[15:33:06] <Blackmoore> gewg and huhg.
[15:33:11] <Blackmoore> hugh
[15:33:54] <Blackmoore> i deperetly want to get nexuses up and running so i can toss all of that in a different bucket; and off of the front page
[15:34:46] <Blackmoore> it isnt like it isnt important or worthy of dicussion. it just shouldnt be more that 15% of the days news here
[15:39:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Curiosity Rover Drills into Mars Rock, Finds Water - http://sylnt.us - every-rock-has-a-name
[15:50:27] <Leebert> I can't imagine why you would think that "A/B Tests Reveal Blondes Can't Sell Lingerie" isn't front-page news.
[15:50:51] <Ethanol-fueled> It is a scientific test, I guess.
[15:51:02] <Leebert> Nobody asked ME to participate.
[15:51:43] <Leebert> Pretty sure I would have remembered that.
[15:57:00] <Konomi> quality reading
[16:20:43] <Ethanol-fueled> Blondes have a reputation for being dumb bimbos.
[16:21:02] <Ethanol-fueled> I prefer dark-haired women with wild hair myself, but to each his own.
[16:21:29] <Ethanol-fueled> There's nothing more profoundly offensive than a dark-haired woman who colors her hair blonde.
[16:21:46] <SirFinkus> it's even worse if she isn't white
[16:21:55] <Ethanol-fueled> Especially when they do that nasty orange-ish looking blonde that we used to call a "peroxide bleach job"
[16:22:02] <SirFinkus> I think it looks the worst on hispanics
[16:22:06] <Ethanol-fueled> Agreed, Finkus.
[16:22:19] <SirFinkus> followed by Asians, then Blacks
[16:23:13] <Ethanol-fueled> It can look convincing on lighter-skinned hispanics if it's a quality job.
[16:23:29] <Ethanol-fueled> But on darker-skinned Hispanics it looks downright skanky.
[16:59:48] <Blackmoore> I like red-heads myself.
[17:03:30] <SirFinkus> yeah, they're nice, gotta be white ones for me though
[17:07:55] * Ethanol-fueled at least wrote a trashy new journal entry if you want a distraction.
[17:10:00] <SirFinkus> are there pictures of redheads?
[17:32:17] <AndyTheAbsurd> Ethanol-fueled: that really is trashy. And amusing. Your writing is good, even if I don't care for the subject matter. Ever tried your hand at fiction?
[17:39:11] <Ethanol-fueled> Andy, I have some snippets I need to pull from Slashdot.
[17:39:26] <Ethanol-fueled> One of them is Sci-Fi. And trashy still.
[17:39:45] <Ethanol-fueled> Finkus, no redheads were at that party.
[17:40:02] <Ethanol-fueled> only a few dirty blondes, in fact.
[17:40:11] <Ethanol-fueled> for the handful of ladies who were there.
[17:40:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 72 Years Late, Captain Claudius gets Recognition - http://sylnt.us - better-late-than-never
[18:30:23] <Blackmoore> Leebert: actually that article is about a/b tests, but since i'm at work i really cant check the links.
[18:30:37] <Blackmoore> nor the foresic pubic hair.
[18:31:01] <Blackmoore> https://www.kickstarter.com
[18:31:02] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Codename: Morningstar by Trapdoor Technologies — Kickstarter
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[18:56:19] <Ethanol-fueled> Oh jesus, Blackmoore.
[18:56:27] <Ethanol-fueled> that forensic pubic thing is disgusting.
[18:56:37] <Ethanol-fueled> Probably best left to a weekend.
[19:02:15] <Blackmoore> yeah, but at least it isnt politics
[19:04:12] <Leebert> Apropos to the April Fools Day discussion a few weeks ago... You know what would actually be both funny *and* interesting? Running old news as contemporary news. Like, talk about a patent issues to UPS for a package tracking apparatus (http://www.google.com/patents/EP1327931A2?cl=en) which even has an acoustic coupler to transmit near real-time delivery information via a payphone...
[19:04:13] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Patent EP1327931A2 - Systems, methods and apparatuses for real-time tracking of packages - Google Patents
[19:04:31] <Leebert> With the right stories, it would actually be kind of fascinating.
[19:06:07] <Leebert> "Tanebaum schools wanna-be OS kernel developer about kernel architectures."
[19:06:36] <SirFinkus> gotta have a HURD story in there to
[19:06:39] <SirFinkus> too
[19:07:06] <Leebert> Sure, something along those lines.
[19:09:25] <Leebert> "GTE to offer 'Airfone' telephone service on select domestic flights"
[19:09:35] <Leebert> (that history might be wrong; but you get the drift)
[19:11:41] <Leebert> "Source: US Government developing classified high-precision 'Global Positioning System'"
[19:19:06] <SirFinkus> it'd be funnier if they could have just happened yesterday
[19:19:42] <SirFinkus> like, if you read the summary you can assume it's a new development unless you'd already known about the story or read tfa
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[19:21:45] <Leebert> yeah, but part of what makes it high-brow humor is that you'd expect the summary to actually teach you a little bit about how the Airfone worked, and include some (reasonable for the time) speculation about how GPS might be used in a civilian context, etc.
[19:22:16] <Leebert> Learn something while also seeing technological advances retrospectively.
[19:27:27] <Ethanol-fueled> Leebert, re: high-precision GPS 2.0 -- I heard from a kind-of credible source that the government has already developed it, and it has resolution of a few mm
[19:27:54] <Ethanol-fueled> He may have been talking about known extensions to GPS though.
[19:30:19] <Leebert> Yeah; as I recall, when I visited the USNO a few years ago, they told me that they were close to firing up a new clock that gave something along the order of femtosecond accuracy, which would be used to give sub-centimeter resolution to the existing GPS.
[19:31:07] <Leebert> Alas I didn't completely understand how that all fit together since I'd expect the limitation to be the accuracy of the bird's clock, but these people are clearly way smarter than I am.
[19:32:00] <Ethanol-fueled> Leebert, funny you mention that, I heard it from an ex-navy guy
[19:32:39] <Ethanol-fueled> he used to cruise around the arctic in a USNS Elint sucker
[19:32:56] <Ethanol-fueled> "reasearch vessel" my ass.
[19:33:02] <Leebert> Well, the plural of anecdote being data, sounds like infallible truth to me. :)
[19:33:34] <Leebert> BTW, I highly recommend a USNO tour if you can ever pull the right strings to get one.
[19:34:02] <Leebert> It's downright fascinating. And nice to see people more obsessed with time than you could ever be.
[19:34:03] <Ethanol-fueled> Leebert, I doubt I can now. The best I can pull is probably...er...a local one I've already been to I don't want to mention.
[19:34:14] <Ethanol-fueled> Or another government agency like NOAA.
[19:35:29] <Leebert> Never know until you ask. :) Mine was taken care of by a friend so I'm not entirely sure what strings he pulled, but I do know they give limited public tours.
[19:42:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Swedish Troll Hunters - http://sylnt.us - looking-under-bridges
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[20:42:25] <Ethanol-fueled> Swedish Troll Hunters, huh?
[20:42:40] <Ethanol-fueled> Fuck those fucking punks.
[20:42:51] <Ethanol-fueled> That makes me furious.
[20:44:05] <Ethanol-fueled> SO furious I'm going to leave. Bye bye!
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[21:13:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - TechDirt Lists Companies That Want To Charge You Thousands For Negative Reviews - http://sylnt.us - companies-to-avoid
[21:15:20] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:15:20] <Bender> karma - coffee: 917
[21:39:23] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[21:39:23] <Bender> karma - coffee: 918
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[23:46:24] <Leebert> Oh, poop. The story I submitted about ICANN which is pending publication has a speling error... "that it had been compromied" If it didn't get corrected in the published version, can someone fix it to make me not look stupid?
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