#Soylent | Logs for 2014-12-17

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[01:01:04] <chr> New TDE (KDE3 fork) released finally. I think the web site may be hosted on a dial-up connection: https://www.trinitydesktop.org
[01:01:09] <systemd> ^ 03Trinity News
[01:02:28] <paulej72> need to try that. I hate kde4
[01:03:00] <JamesNZ> openbox++
[01:03:00] <Bender> karma - openbox: 4
[01:03:43] <chr> current_desktop++
[01:03:43] <Bender> karma - current_desktop: 1
[01:09:42] <chr> I've been using Enlightenment 19 recently. Still a bit buggy but it worked okay until it started locking up a couple days ago whenever an application starts
[01:10:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Dry Ice Surfs on Mars - http://sylnt.us - cue-the-Beachboys...
[01:14:28] <chr> chili++
[01:14:28] <Bender> karma - chili: 3
[01:19:28] <paulej72> chr: dont run apps then
[01:19:38] <chr> :D
[01:20:18] <chr> another thing is all the config files and stuff seem to be binary
[01:20:36] <chr> xml++
[01:20:36] <Bender> karma - xml: -1
[01:20:55] <paulej72> 10010100100101000101010101010101010101000101010101000101011011010101001010111010
[01:21:39] <chr> 2
[01:21:39] <ciri> 3
[01:21:47] <chr> ciri: there's no such thing as three
[01:21:55] <chr> -2
[01:22:52] <paulej72> my friend was telling me about this drama he was wathing where part of the plot was an air gapped computer was some super expensive pice of kit
[01:23:26] <paulej72> bender had a dream where he saw a two
[01:23:42] <paulej72> it was a nightmare
[01:24:23] <chr> oh yeah, what happened to our Futurama theme?
[01:24:57] <paulej72> we had a futurama theme
[01:24:59] <chr> =nick Hedonismbot
[01:24:59] systemd is now known as Hedonismbot
[01:25:21] <chr> well Bender did
[01:25:41] <paulej72> oh that shit. i never learnned the comands
[01:25:46] <chr> and the wiki says he has a Futurama-themed personality
[01:26:02] <chr> Bender: markov test
[01:26:02] <Bender> markov is not enabled in #Soylent
[01:26:08] <chr> Bender: markov-enable
[01:26:12] <paulej72> !bite
[01:26:12] <Bender> paulej72: Bite my shiny. metal. ass.
[01:26:12] <chr> Bender: list markov
[01:26:16] <Bender> markov plugin has the following commands: markov-learnadd, markov-size, markov-onjoinadd, markov, markov-learndel, markov-cfg, markov-disable, markov-cfgsave, markov-learnlist, markov-learn, markov-onjoinremove, markov-enable
[01:26:18] <chr> I guess he has that
[01:26:25] <chr> and the !woop thing
[01:26:38] <chr> Bender: markov-enable #Soylent
[01:26:44] <chr> Bender: markov test
[01:26:44] <Bender> markov is not enabled in #Soylent
[01:26:52] <chr> Probably needs a bot op
[01:27:07] <chr> tmb, j.u. double-g
[01:27:18] <paulej72> !markov-enable
[01:27:18] <Bender> #Soylent enabled
[01:27:27] <chr> oh, you too :D
[01:27:32] <chr> !markov Bite
[01:27:35] <chr> aw
[01:27:36] <paulej72> i have the powah
[01:28:02] <chr> paulej72++
[01:28:02] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 91
[01:29:40] <paulej72> !who-up paulej72
[01:29:56] <chr> paulej72: s/-///
[01:30:01] <chr> paulej72: s/\-///
[01:30:07] <chr> sed?
[01:30:12] <paulej72> !whoup paulej72
[01:30:12] <Bender> uppers of paulej72 are: Bytram: 35, crutchy: 13, TheMightyBuzzard: 8, martyb: 8, mrcoolbp: 6, chromas: 5, juggs: 4, Bytram|afk: 3, pbnjoe: 2, xlefay: 2, Landon: 1, exec: 1, Subsentient: 1, nick: 1, chr: 1, stderr: 1, arti: 1, n1: 1, d33tah: 1
[01:30:14] <chr> sedctl
[01:30:20] <chr> sedctl:
[01:30:21] * sed is a 53-line gawk script, https://github.com
[01:30:21] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03FoobarBazbot/sedbot · GitHub
[01:30:26] <chr> not completely broken
[01:30:58] <chr> =set .bots// sed
[01:30:58] <Hedonismbot> k
[01:31:02] <chr> sedctl:
[01:31:02] * sed is a 53-line gawk script, https://github.com
[01:31:05] <chr> better
[01:31:22] <chr> Bender: whodown paulej72
[01:31:22] <Bender> downers of paulej72 are: Bytram: -3, martyb: -1
[01:31:25] <chr> gasp!
[01:31:46] <paulej72> !psag
[01:31:46] <chr> Bender: Bytram is to be taken out and flogged immediately!
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[02:23:17] <ctl> chili++
[02:23:17] <Bender> karma - chili: 4
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[02:41:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ignorance of the Law is no Excuse, Except for US Cops - http://sylnt.us - forget-whatever-you-thought-you-knew
[02:46:45] <paulej72> igcinga is the only thing that would have to go
[02:47:05] <paulej72> otherwise it's a good time to get a new phone
[02:47:57] <paulej72> first time in a while and I have a lot to do
[03:14:23] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[03:14:23] <Bender> karma - tea: 324
[03:14:24] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[03:14:24] <Bender> karma - tea: 325
[03:57:33] * Konomi yawns
[03:59:39] <paulej72> !koffie Konomi
[03:59:39] * Bender schenkt een kopje caffe latte in voor Konomi
[03:59:48] <juggs> ~g'day Konomi
[03:59:49] * exec spontaneously blows a cold can of spew at Konomi
[04:00:23] <Konomi> it's always so wonderful to come here ;p
[04:01:25] <paulej72> it has beeb dead tonight
[04:02:14] <Konomi> just a little
[04:02:17] <chr> some nights beeber than others
[04:13:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google to Cut Google News in Spain because of Ridiculous Copyright Law - http://sylnt.us - suit-yourself
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[04:25:05] <Ethanol-fueled> Hey guys, I posted a surprise for you all in the second link of my post in the 2014 gift guide story
[04:25:36] <Ethanol-fueled> You may not want to link it here though. It contains a lot of rubber.
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[04:32:34] <Konomi> I don't even want to know
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[04:33:27] <Ethanol-fueled> It's a real-life picture of a couple of my toys, with a datestamp on my hand and a trusty IPA
[04:33:47] <Ethanol-fueled> The ones I have discussed before, that were awesome but ridiculed by you all as being nonsense.
[04:35:31] * JamesNZ makes a note to stay away from said link :P
[04:35:45] <Ethanol-fueled> I'll leave it at that.
[04:36:00] <Ethanol-fueled> I would have thought the idea silly too, only just a couple years ago.
[04:43:47] <juggs> Hmm - we're bit heavy on political / cop stuff / 1984 big brother stories today
[04:44:28] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, somebody else here alluded to that as well.
[04:44:38] <Ethanol-fueled> I've been too lazy to sub because school and work.
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[05:13:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - MIT Scientist has a Provocative New Theory on the Origins of Life - http://sylnt.us - it's-life-jim-but-not-as-we-know-it
[05:26:19] <juggs> http://arstechnica.com
[05:26:19] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Ars was briefly hacked yesterday; here’s what we know | Ars Technica
[05:26:43] <juggs> Password change time for anyone who has an account there
[05:38:32] <juggs> sub'd
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[05:49:35] <chr> Freenode too
[05:50:37] <juggs> uch - that was a while back wasn't it?
[05:55:12] <juggs> Interesting follow up comment for those with an interest in such things.... http://arstechnica.com
[05:55:13] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Ars was briefly hacked yesterday; here’s what we know | Ars Technica
[05:55:46] <crutchy> ++coffee
[05:55:46] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 196
[05:56:00] <juggs> ++insomnia
[05:56:00] <Hedonismbot> Karma - insomnia: 1
[05:56:17] <juggs> --accounting
[05:56:17] <Hedonismbot> Karma - accounting: -1
[06:02:18] <chr> Oh yeah, September
[06:02:50] <chr> Well I only just noticed it in the backlog thinger
[06:06:43] * crutchy wonders what the terrorist headline will be tomorrow. the powers that be must really want their false flag
[06:07:42] <SirFinkus> naw, there's gotta be a new scandal first
[06:07:56] <SirFinkus> we're pretty saturated with that stuff now
[06:08:02] <crutchy> haven't had one of those in a while
[06:08:29] <SirFinkus> idk, the whole five eyes thing is pretty scandalous
[06:08:37] <crutchy> five eyes?
[06:08:55] * crutchy has mostly been living under a sock
[06:08:58] <crutchy> err
[06:09:01] <crutchy> *rock
[06:09:03] <SirFinkus> you know, the deal a bunch of western government have to spy on each other's citizens
[06:09:20] <crutchy> oh. is that news?
[06:09:37] <SirFinkus> fhttp://en.wikipedia.org
[06:09:44] <SirFinkus> well, not really new
[06:10:00] <crutchy> wow that one must be a pot of gold for the media corps
[06:10:06] <SirFinkus> I think the biggest news story now is the torture thing, which is also an outrageous scandal
[06:10:45] <crutchy> i thought it was pretty lame. waterboarding seemed to be the worst, but i'm sure there are worse tortures that aren
[06:10:48] <crutchy> 't documented
[06:11:05] <SirFinkus> did you actually read the report?
[06:11:25] <crutchy> nah why would i do that? i just read the headlines :p
[06:11:29] <SirFinkus> it's pretty scandalous
[06:11:45] <SirFinkus> and "just waterboarding" is pretty harsh
[06:12:23] <SirFinkus> we beat people, shoved hummus up their asses, stripped them naked and tied them up in cold rooms
[06:12:24] <crutchy> seems harsh, but compared to what i think even aussie spooks get up to its pretty tame
[06:12:44] <SirFinkus> iirc, a couple died of hypothermia
[06:13:01] <crutchy> read about what the japs did to the chinese in ww2
[06:13:28] <SirFinkus> drowning people is pretty high up on the torture list
[06:13:30] <crutchy> vivisection would be horrible
[06:13:44] <SirFinkus> I'm well aware of the Japanese atrocities
[06:13:56] <SirFinkus> I think drowning is a more primal fear though
[06:14:11] <crutchy> also, anything to do with chem or bio warfare testing
[06:14:35] <SirFinkus> oh, we've done our share of that too, it just isn't apropos at the moment
[06:14:49] <crutchy> i'm sure it still goes on all around the world
[06:15:01] <crutchy> not just by americans
[06:15:20] <crutchy> this is me and my tinfoil hat speaking though
[06:15:48] <SirFinkus> well, the American stuff is VERY well documented
[06:15:58] <SirFinkus> not just by Alex Jones types either
[06:16:16] <SirFinkus> the CIA basically does whatever the fuck it wants
[06:16:37] <SirFinkus> name an atrocity or war crime, and the CIA has probably done it
[06:18:41] <SirFinkus> not in the torture report, but alluded to elsewhere, we also inject scopolamine into people's spines and shit, which is basically one of the worst pains you can inflict on a person
[06:18:59] <SirFinkus> it's just less "messy" than things like vivisection and torture racks
[06:19:06] <crutchy> it doesn't make sense to document some of that stuff. i'm wondering whether some of it is made up
[06:19:27] <crutchy> not that it isn't done
[06:19:37] <crutchy> just documentation-wise
[06:19:49] <SirFinkus> they document everything, the Nazis documents how many Jews they killed
[06:20:08] <juggs> just gets classified
[06:21:12] <crutchy> i dunno about the nazi thing either
[06:21:14] <SirFinkus> as far as the latest torture report, that is very well researched and documented. About as well documented as it gets
[06:21:22] * crutchy is uber paranoid
[06:21:33] <juggs> Concerning that what we are not aware of through various leaks or "rumours" is probably just the tip of the iceberg.
[06:21:58] <crutchy> its pretty easy to falsify reports and records
[06:22:17] <SirFinkus> it's also instructive to look at the shit we've done in the past that has now been declassified
[06:22:38] <SirFinkus> I fail to see the motive for that though crutchy
[06:22:51] <juggs> hmm... the gov't falsifies reports to make themselves look worse - not following you crutchy
[06:23:17] <crutchy> who was in power when those reports were supposedly generated?
[06:23:28] <crutchy> political motive is just one of many
[06:23:36] <crutchy> distraction is another
[06:23:47] <SirFinkus> distraction from what?
[06:24:02] <crutchy> the cia is an easy target cos nobody likes them
[06:24:12] <crutchy> SirFinkus, who knows
[06:24:25] <SirFinkus> the torture report was pretty bipartisan, and the CIA confirmed everything
[06:24:33] <juggs> crutchy, are you alluding to "history is written by the victors" type theory w.r.t. the nazi docs?
[06:24:33] <crutchy> but i know one thing for sure; assumption is the mother of all fuck ups
[06:24:43] <crutchy> juggs, yeah possibly
[06:24:46] <crutchy> why not?
[06:24:49] <SirFinkus> well, some of that happened with the holocaust
[06:24:56] <juggs> lol - either you are or are not
[06:24:56] <ciri> i don't think it's that funny lol
[06:25:06] <juggs> me neither ciri
[06:25:19] <SirFinkus> thing things like lampshades and soap are generally regarded as hoaxes now
[06:25:21] <crutchy> i wasn't really alluding to anything, just that i don't buy what the media tells me on face value
[06:26:03] <SirFinkus> you're assuming a conspiracy, but not supporting it with any evidence
[06:26:21] <SirFinkus> I'm not seeing any clear motive for this particular deception either
[06:26:32] <crutchy> history is full of conspiracy
[06:26:50] <crutchy> i'm not trying to prove anything. just sayin i don't buy it
[06:27:07] <crutchy> i might well be wrong
[06:27:15] <SirFinkus> I'd recommend you read the report
[06:27:39] <SirFinkus> it all fits in with what has been leaked in the past
[06:27:54] <crutchy> was it written by the same folks in charge of writing the 9/11 report?
[06:28:41] <SirFinkus> no
[06:28:48] <crutchy> governments lie
[06:28:57] <SirFinkus> no shit
[06:29:01] <juggs> but what do you buy? The "leaked" documents could have been doctored or falsified entirely. Everything Snowden leaked could be Russian intelligence fabrications. Sony's recent hack and aftermath could just be a cleverly designed marketing ploy. And yeh - the twin towers were brought down by controlled explosions, the 'bodies' launching themselves from window sills were just mannekins. Got to draw a line somewhere
[06:29:12] <crutchy> for various non obvious and rediculous reasons
[06:29:29] <crutchy> trying to rationalize a government motive is likely pointless
[06:29:47] <crutchy> juggs, very true
[06:29:56] <crutchy> gotta always question
[06:30:00] <SirFinkus> most of the government conspiracies I've seen had a rathe clear motive
[06:30:09] <SirFinkus> maybe misguided
[06:30:50] <SirFinkus> I'm trying to think of a scenario where it would benefit the US government to admit to torture
[06:30:56] <crutchy> distraction of the public is a very popular motive for governments
[06:31:12] <SirFinkus> what are they distracting the public from?
[06:31:26] <crutchy> who knows. we're all too distracted
[06:31:41] <SirFinkus> this seems like the kind of thing that they'd want to take our attention away from
[06:32:08] <crutchy> nah nobody really cares that the cia did bad stuff. its shocking, but not really unexpected
[06:32:23] <crutchy> imho
[06:32:55] <SirFinkus> I beg to differ, the UN seems to care a lot
[06:33:06] <juggs> Does the US care about the UN?
[06:33:08] <SirFinkus> it decreases our diplomatic power quite a bit
[06:33:20] <SirFinkus> since we now have no moral high ground
[06:33:56] <SirFinkus> it cares to the extent that people involved in the program can't travel outside the US without risking arrest
[06:35:29] <JamesNZ> NK seems to care, for some ironical reason.
[06:35:35] <juggs> It's been interesting this year on that front. UK Cameron with his 'WAR WAR SYRIA YAH WAR' rhetoric getting kicked out of town when the public said "HELL NO". To the sorta hands off - we're not really involved with this ISIS thing, just lending training and such like.
[06:35:43] <crutchy> you'll care about the torture report for as long as the media makes a fuss about it. then something else will come along
[06:35:48] <crutchy> that's how distraction works
[06:36:08] <SirFinkus> nope, I'll care about the torture report long after it's off CNN
[06:36:58] <SirFinkus> I continue to be outraged about things my government has done before I was born
[06:37:14] <juggs> Versailles SirFinkus ?
[06:38:04] <Konomi> SirFinkus rages against the machine
[06:38:06] <SirFinkus> less about things like that, that seemed just seemed shortsighted
[06:38:31] <SirFinkus> and honestly, I don't know much about it
[06:38:43] <crutchy> if people remembered the gulf of tonkin incident, your country might not have invaded iraq
[06:38:51] <crutchy> but it wasn't in the news
[06:38:55] <crutchy> so people forgot it
[06:39:13] <crutchy> it was only after the consipracy was revealed that comparisons came up
[06:39:59] <SirFinkus> well, I don't disagree with you there
[06:40:33] <juggs> SirFinkus, but I think one needs to understand and appreciate what a fundamental part Versailles played in what we see now. Taking a ruler and drawing borders willy-nilly over the mid-east was a very bad idea - not even in hindsight.
[06:40:36] <crutchy> that's ok. i'm just waffling :p
[06:41:07] <crutchy> devils_advocate++
[06:41:07] <Bender> karma - devils_advocate: 1
[06:41:14] <chr> Blue waffling
[06:42:11] <crutchy> i did an image search. not really that shocking
[06:42:23] <SirFinkus> my focus tends to be more civil liberties issues rather than geopolitics. Versailles seems to me as more of a mistake rather than a conspiracy, but again, I'm not an expert on it
[06:42:27] <crutchy> just a bad case of nasty box
[06:42:48] <juggs> You can't take a mostly tribal or religious faction based area and randomly draw straight lines on it to define countries. Well you can and we did, but you end up with a real mess of power struggles and bloodshed.
[06:43:12] <SirFinkus> things like Japanese internment, assassinations, human experimentation, torture etc
[06:43:21] <SirFinkus> and spying of course
[06:44:01] <SirFinkus> that was hardly unprecedented though juggs
[06:44:17] <SirFinkus> especially in the era in which it happened
[06:44:57] <SirFinkus> anyway, this Russian thing is where I predict the next big thing will happen
[06:44:58] <crutchy> i kinda like geopolitics lately, but i'm particularly interested in macroeconomics and the austrian vs keynesian debate
[06:45:22] <crutchy> mass money printing and all that
[06:45:23] <SirFinkus> we never really got a good fight with eachother
[06:45:30] <SirFinkus> and the ruble just fucking tanked
[06:45:33] <juggs> Of course not - it was the end of dynastic western imperialism in the area, the parties involved sought to carve the area up to enable transition of control while still retaining some power over their fate.
[06:45:48] <crutchy> russians can scrounge on nothing. they thrived under communism
[06:45:49] <SirFinkus> it lost like 20% of its value overnight
[06:45:56] <SirFinkus> which is kind of a big deal
[06:45:58] <crutchy> well, 'thrived'
[06:46:29] <SirFinkus> it was still in freefall last time I checked
[06:46:31] <crutchy> the russian government will just nationalize everything and enslave the populous again
[06:46:41] <crutchy> they love putin
[06:46:54] <SirFinkus> it just seems like a recipe for conflict
[06:47:09] <crutchy> i think putin's got an itchy trigger finger
[06:47:37] <crutchy> crimea was just an enticing jab at the enemy
[06:48:28] <crutchy> course that just makes him even more dangerous to the west, cos he's no saddam hussein or kim jun il
[06:49:20] <crutchy> i doubt you'd get any western volunteers to invade russia
[06:50:34] <SirFinkus> well, not this second
[06:51:08] <crutchy> people do forget, but i'll bet they'd remember the red army
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[06:51:50] <SirFinkus> the US fucking HATES Russia
[06:51:55] <SirFinkus> a lot of the people anyway
[06:52:10] <crutchy> no doubt, but they also fear russia
[06:52:35] <crutchy> most people think russians are batshit crazy fucks
[06:52:41] <juggs> red under the bed - can't having any of that damn hippy socialism in the US
[06:52:47] * arti shakes fist
[06:53:54] <juggs> lol - I may not be a good fit for SN CEO :D I've already been accused of being Trotsky in disguise or something :D
[06:53:55] <ciri> hahaha
[06:54:09] <arti> take it as a compliment
[06:54:18] <crutchy> juggs, you're ok dude. we just like picking on your nick :p
[06:54:31] * juggs jiggles
[06:54:33] <crutchy> everyone loves juggs
[06:54:34] <arti> yeah we like that
[06:54:47] * chr fondles juggs
[06:54:56] <JamesNZ> juggs++ # Our very own ruski!
[06:54:56] <Bender> karma - juggs: 48
[06:55:05] * juggs feels violated
[06:55:09] <arti> chocolate cake, activate
[06:55:12] <crutchy> /nick biggus_dickus
[06:55:19] <SirFinkus> red is not a good color for juggs
[06:55:23] <arti> is that greek?
[06:55:32] <JamesNZ> mouthctl start chomp.service
[06:55:35] <crutchy> its monty pythonian
[06:55:50] <SirFinkus> I thought that was mel brooks
[06:56:12] <chr> It's Harry Potter
[06:56:26] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com I thought
[06:56:27] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03History of the World, Caesar's Palace. - YouTube
[06:56:37] <chr> And the philosopher's bone
[06:56:43] <crutchy> biggus dickus is probably as old as mummified pharaoh dicks
[06:56:53] <JamesNZ> chr: s/bone/boner/
[06:56:53] <sed> <JamesNZ> <chr> And the philosopher's boner
[06:57:08] <SirFinkus> oh wait, that is python
[06:57:14] * SirFinkus slinks back into the shadows
[06:57:47] <crutchy> i remember it from life of brian
[06:58:16] <SirFinkus> it just seemed like a brooks name
[06:58:22] <crutchy> oh yeah. SirFinkus, there was one thing missing from the CIA torture report; crucifixion!
[06:58:46] <crutchy> how can you have a torture report without crucifixion?
[06:58:47] <ciri> very carefully and then some
[06:59:15] <chr> We don't use crucifixion anymore because it's associated with Jesus our lord and 54th president
[06:59:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty sure the marquis de sade would laugh himself silly at our techniques
[06:59:58] * crutchy wonders if the CIA watches fear factor
[07:00:14] <crutchy> not only for the bewbs
[07:00:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> he be all like no no no, i said hot pokers not humus.
[07:00:51] <juggs> I'm not a very good red, theoretically communism should work, but then people get involved with all their fallibilities - not that pure communism has ever actually been tried, even if it were I don't see how it would work in practical terms.
[07:01:06] <crutchy> tmb, gotta admit i was disappointed at the media's attempts to turn the report into something truly barbarous
[07:01:26] <crutchy> nothing remotely comparable to the holocaust
[07:01:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. i've heard worse as frat hazing.
[07:01:37] <crutchy> or what the japs did
[07:01:44] <juggs> Wait - red is right wing in the US right?
[07:01:45] <crutchy> yeah
[07:01:48] <SirFinkus> it is barbarous though...
[07:01:57] <SirFinkus> yes juggs
[07:02:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, strangely, yes
[07:02:05] <juggs> fs
[07:02:06] <crutchy> it is, just not abomonable
[07:02:09] <JamesNZ> crutchy: I'm fairly certain that the victims would not be so flippant about it.
[07:02:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's also commie color
[07:02:20] <SirFinkus> it's outrageous
[07:02:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> homochromatic
[07:02:33] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, that makes a whole load of sense.
[07:02:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> politics.
[07:02:45] <crutchy> JamesNZ, but if they had the choice of being US prisoners or russian prisoners, i bet i know which they would choose
[07:02:59] <SirFinkus> basically what you're saying is "oh, well at least we aren't burning them with acid", which isn't really the moral standard I think we should be held to
[07:03:11] <JamesNZ> crutchy: Me too, but how does that exonerate the CIA?
[07:03:47] <crutchy> it doesn't. it just makes the media's attempts to hype it up seem a bit stupid
[07:03:54] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, I have my thoughts on it. Don't want to get involved though. Far too twisted.
[07:04:01] <crutchy> we hear worse things in normal news
[07:04:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> performing war crimes on war criminals, does that even out?
[07:04:21] <SirFinkus> yes
[07:04:31] <JamesNZ> crutchy: Erm, ok.
[07:04:36] * JamesNZ sure hasn't
[07:04:52] <crutchy> visit liveleak
[07:04:59] <arti> the school?
[07:05:14] <crutchy> liveleak.com
[07:05:17] <crutchy> or .net
[07:05:20] <crutchy> i can't remember
[07:05:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause the thing here is, every last mother's son who had anything to do with making civilians the primary target of an attack was a war criminal.
[07:05:26] <arti> "i go there so often"
[07:05:45] <crutchy> google is my friend :p
[07:06:08] <arti> share more with it
[07:06:12] * chr googles google to find google
[07:06:27] <juggs> Is there any son who isn't a "mother's son"? Do some sons not have mothers? How does that happen?
[07:06:38] <arti> didn't arnie do a movie about that
[07:06:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, it's me being nice and not saying motherfucker
[07:06:57] <crutchy> there's 'some mothers do have em'
[07:07:21] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, stop being nice - it's creepy
[07:07:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> aright then.
[07:07:44] <crutchy> doby baby shideeder
[07:07:45] <JamesNZ> /nick NiceBuzzard
[07:08:07] <chr> /nick TheMightyBastard
[07:08:14] <JamesNZ> XD
[07:08:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> personally i don't care what they shoved up anyone's ass. go full on torquemada for all i care. just don't be a pussy and lie about it.
[07:08:25] <crutchy> /nick TheMoodyFuzztard :p
[07:08:44] <JamesNZ> TheMightyBuzzard: By "anyone", I presume you include yourself? :P
[07:08:55] <SirFinkus> torture is wrong, in all cases
[07:09:00] <crutchy> who doesn't shove humus up their own arse?
[07:09:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> <--- not a war criminal
[07:09:11] <arti> koni!
[07:09:15] <JamesNZ> Neither were (IIRC) 26 of the victims.
[07:09:22] <chr> How do we know?
[07:09:38] <arti> you can clearly see the war criminal bit set to off.
[07:09:39] <JamesNZ> It was in the report.
[07:09:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> only four of em ever got any out of the ordinary interrogations.
[07:09:55] <crutchy> torture is wrong. no argument there. just i think US torture (in the report) seems less wrong than torture by a lot of other countries
[07:10:01] <chr> We need to shove hot sauce up your ass to find out if you're naughty or nice
[07:10:15] <arti> "burning questions"
[07:10:16] <juggs> I don't understand what they hoped to achieve by shoving things in people's asses. There seems to be a particularly US theme to things in asses being bad. Hence pounded in the ass prisons and such like. What's the obsession with asses? Some puritanical hangover?
[07:10:19] <JamesNZ> You're terrifying chr :P
[07:10:24] <crutchy> juggs, kink dude
[07:10:36] <crutchy> even spooks gots urges :p
[07:10:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> chr, naughty, definitely naughty.
[07:10:52] <SirFinkus> but it's the same fucking ballpark
[07:11:22] <chr> Off with your head, tmb! Your other head
[07:11:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> my butthole's pretty much immune to anything jalapeno or lesser though so you better wear gloves so it don't get on your skin too.
[07:11:24] <arti> "Mr Serrano Chili has a few more questions for you"
[07:11:57] <SirFinkus> my cutter is pretty strong, I think the real torture would be for the guy trying to put things in there
[07:11:59] <arti> [ Cut to stock footage of food receiving sauce ]
[07:12:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, not a real high in demand job outside of SF
[07:12:37] <crutchy> i consider sanctions responsible for killing half a million iraqi children to be much worse than shoving humus up a few guys arses
[07:12:43] <chr> We'll breed a new Hottest Chili in the Universe and call it the cornholio
[07:12:57] <arti> as an aside, folsom street fair sf
[07:13:08] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[07:13:08] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Madeleine Albright - 60 Minutes - YouTube
[07:13:27] <SirFinkus> I don't understand the argument you're trying to make crutchy, yes, torture isn't the only terrible thing we've done
[07:13:43] <arti> we also inflicted mcdonalds on the world.
[07:13:54] <crutchy> nobody seems overly pissy about shooting up pakistani kids with drones either
[07:13:58] <arti> you might say the world has grown on us
[07:14:03] <crutchy> lol
[07:14:05] <ciri> lol damn!
[07:14:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> personally, i'm of the school of thought that says be as utterly barbaric as you possibly can in war so it ends sooner and people don't get in such a hurry to do it again.
[07:14:07] <SirFinkus> I mean, it'd be like being on a jury and saying "oh, he just stole something, some people murder other people"
[07:14:15] <SirFinkus> it isn't a useful discussion
[07:14:26] <SirFinkus> I'm pretty pissy about that too crutchy
[07:14:43] <crutchy> SirFinkus, your government has done much worse things recently than whats in that report
[07:14:49] <arti> i believe this phenomenon is referred to as 'highscore'
[07:15:11] <chr> Hit +50
[07:15:14] <arti> i think our record was at virginia tech
[07:15:19] <arti> cho-cho-chosen
[07:15:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Big Banks Balk, So Colorado Creates A Credit Union For The Marijuana Industry - http://sylnt.us - money-money-money
[07:15:28] <SirFinkus> it's pretty close to the top though crutchy
[07:15:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> he gets a lot of bad press but vlad tepes knew his shit when it came to war.
[07:15:51] <arti> sounds like a drink
[07:16:22] * arti offers cake to the channel
[07:17:18] <chr> ++coffee cake
[07:17:18] <Hedonismbot> Karma - coffee: 197
[07:17:19] <crutchy> SirFinkus, its nasty no doubt, but even the economic policies of your government are hurting more american children than CIA agents are hurting poor desert people
[07:17:43] <crutchy> governments do bad shit
[07:17:46] <crutchy> a lot
[07:17:50] <SirFinkus> well, that's a different matter
[07:17:55] <crutchy> they are 'the' monopoly
[07:18:23] <crutchy> its different, but the effects are similar... pain and suffering
[07:18:46] <crutchy> its just 'unintended'
[07:19:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> pain and suffering? dude, most of our "poor" own two televisions.
[07:19:02] <SirFinkus> the biggest difference is the sadism involved with torture, and how extrajudicial it is
[07:19:27] <crutchy> tmb you just need to get out more dude :p
[07:19:37] <crutchy> i seen more poor than you and i live in a different country
[07:19:44] <crutchy> *american poor
[07:19:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> you seen what you were shown then. i can throw a rock and hit a poor person from my front door.
[07:20:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> i do sometimes just for fun
[07:20:19] <crutchy> there's lots of homeless with no tvs
[07:20:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i been one. even homeless can go get foodstamps n not starve though.
[07:20:45] <chr> !blockgrab TheMightyBuzzard
[07:20:55] <SirFinkus> there are even more homeless people without homes
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[07:20:58] <crutchy> maybe you should be a homeless teacher
[07:21:07] <crutchy> cos a lot of them seem to be doing it tough
[07:21:08] * SirFinkus bolts
[07:21:23] <crutchy> sorry no nasty tone intended there :p
[07:21:30] <crutchy> prolly came out wrong
[07:21:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya well, if they was all that bright they wouldn't be homeless.
[07:21:36] <crutchy> true
[07:21:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know i was going through an especially dumbass phase about then.
[07:22:13] <crutchy> actually, they can't control the government, and there's always shit luck
[07:22:33] <crutchy> medical problems comes to mind
[07:22:36] <juggs> I still don't understand the obsession with shoving things up poop chutes. OK, you forced some chickpea substance up my ass, now I crap it out on the floor for you to clean up - then you faux drown me. As an interrogation subject, surely I'm more concerned about the drowning than the having a dump that someone else gets to clear up. I don't think I want to find out come to think of it.
[07:22:52] <crutchy> lmao
[07:22:56] <SirFinkus> I think it's something sexual
[07:22:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. and some folks just can't deal with every day shit well enough to keep a roof over their head. mental thangs.
[07:23:01] <SirFinkus> not even trying to be funny
[07:23:35] <chr> juggs: maybe they meant pumice
[07:23:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> 'slikely for the humiliation factor
[07:23:58] <crutchy> chr, cos volcanos are hard to shove up peoples arses
[07:24:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> there is a rather significant size differential
[07:24:40] <chr> If we can put pumice in soap then surely we can put it up your ass
[07:24:43] <arti> "tension"
[07:24:47] <SirFinkus> well, maybe for your asshole
[07:24:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> !grab chr
[07:24:48] <Bender> Added quote 308
[07:24:49] <crutchy> i dunno. there are some pretty big assholes
[07:25:31] <arti> look who is a size queen
[07:25:49] <crutchy> !ass-measure ciri
[07:26:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> what, ya mean like the fuckers in washington who are still pushing the furgeson thing to stir up racial tensions after all the evidence showed the cop did nothing wrong?
[07:26:31] <SirFinkus> http://assets.bad-dragon.com
[07:26:51] <arti> but black lives matter!
[07:26:55] <SirFinkus> you'd be surprised what you can get up there
[07:27:01] <arti> uh
[07:27:10] <crutchy> people don't trust cops dressed up like gi jo
[07:27:10] <juggs> humiliation factor - dude's already strapped naked to a chair and dehumanised. Being able to crap that stuff on the floor probably feels like a win at that point. It's getting back to Inquisition days of shoving red hot pokers up poop chutes. Although - that would probably be more effective than hummus, with the side effect of the subject not living much longer. Must be a puritanical hangover ~shrug~
[07:27:17] <arti> "how do i earn MY beer money?"
[07:27:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> if your life matters to you, don't charge an armed cop after trying to wrestle away his gun two minutes ago.
[07:27:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's a darwin award waiting to happen.
[07:27:52] <arti> sounds like a poor charisma roll
[07:28:01] <crutchy> there does seem to be some pretty fucked up racial profiling
[07:28:22] <crutchy> white guys are targeted by cops less than black guys
[07:28:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh sure. that happens n it's bad in general.
[07:28:46] <arti> black guys kill more black guys
[07:28:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> it happens on account of black folks in this nation really do break the law several times more than anyone else though.
[07:29:03] <juggs> Why is that?
[07:29:13] <juggs> lack of opportunity?
[07:29:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> lot of it is the culture they grow up in.
[07:29:19] <arti> i think they're worth less points, maybe they score like golf or something?
[07:29:35] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, we're all products of our environment. when minimum wage makes it illegal to hire unskilled blacks, what else are they gunna do?
[07:29:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> not lack of opportunity. being told all their lives that they WILL fail and to blame whitey for it.
[07:30:02] <arti> crutchy: NBA
[07:30:09] <juggs> that is lack of opportunity TMB. opportunity comes from education.
[07:30:12] <crutchy> arti, true. for some
[07:30:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, that's on them. they got the same educational opportunities as everyone else.
[07:30:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> what they don't got is a father in the home.
[07:30:50] <crutchy> tmb, i disagree
[07:31:01] <crutchy> (about the opportunities)
[07:31:05] <juggs> TMB, it's on society as a whole.
[07:31:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> 80% of black children are raised by single mothers in this nation.
[07:31:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> 80 fucking percent
[07:31:22] <crutchy> black kids are way worse off than white kids
[07:31:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> that is not society shitting on them, that's them shitting on each other.
[07:31:44] <arti> wonder what the stats are like since jim crow
[07:31:45] <juggs> and? %ge white children raised by lone parent is?
[07:32:12] <crutchy> blacks do shit on each other, but they also get shit on by whites
[07:32:16] <juggs> There are many reasons why lone parenthood is becoming the norm
[07:32:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, something neighborhood of 20% raised by single mothers.
[07:32:24] <juggs> citations
[07:32:29] <arti> 20% of 72%
[07:32:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> sec, gotta find where that was
[07:33:04] <crutchy> http://kkk.com
[07:33:04] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Just a moment...
[07:33:30] <crutchy> lol did monopoly just go to sleep?
[07:33:30] <ciri> i don't think it's that funny lol
[07:33:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://phys.org apparently there's some discrepancy on 50% vs 80% though
[07:33:34] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03More than half of all children in the US will likely live with an unmarried mother
[07:34:09] <crutchy> society is fucked up, but i still blame government
[07:34:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> may have been 80% including them not being raised by their mother either but grandparents and kids in the system.
[07:34:16] <arti> Also, it is not that difficult to purchase affordable Birth Control and Contraception
[07:34:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> i blame al sharpton.
[07:34:39] <crutchy> a white dude blaming a black dude. there's a surprise
[07:34:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> tell someone they will fail and then give them someone to blame and they will fail.
[07:34:58] <arti> white dude blaming a white dude, wow
[07:35:06] <arti> race war
[07:35:12] <arti> o/
[07:35:17] <crutchy> arti, nothin racist about that though :p
[07:35:17] <juggs> right - so society is moving away from the 50's atomic family - 2 parents, 2.3 kids, a labrador dog and some wellies.
[07:35:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, we didn't have these problems back when MLK was around.
[07:35:28] <SirFinkus> al sharpton is a douche
[07:35:35] <crutchy> maybe under your rock
[07:35:37] <SirFinkus> I'll just point that out
[07:35:43] <arti> you believe al sharpton
[07:35:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> these are since he died and people found out there was money to be made in fomenting hate
[07:36:28] * arti raises crutchy 2 bacon
[07:36:29] <crutchy> wasn't MLK a non-lame version of al sharpton in the 60's?
[07:36:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> sharpton never, NEVER champions anything he that doesn't piss people off. no good works, just rabble rousing.
[07:36:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> MLK was a pacifist and believed in equality.
[07:36:54] <arti> al sharpton is a cancer
[07:37:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> al sharpton does everything but hand out torches and pitchforks.
[07:37:31] <crutchy> i have do doubt that he's a douche, but no more than a lot of political types
[07:37:47] <crutchy> peddling their own wagon
[07:37:59] <arti> haet.
[07:38:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> well in one respect he is. he's selling out an entire race's future for his personal pockets being filled.
[07:38:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> most of em are pretty egalitarian about who they screw over
[07:38:23] <crutchy> sounds like anyone in washington dc
[07:38:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> by which i mean they screw everyone who hasn't handed them a bit check.
[07:39:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/bit/big/
[07:39:04] <sed> <TheMightyBuzzard> by which i mean they screw everyone who hasn't handed them a big check.
[07:39:16] <crutchy> he should run for potus
[07:39:17] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[07:39:17] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03apologies - YouTube
[07:39:32] <SirFinkus> that's jesse jackson though...
[07:39:46] <arti> it's related!
[07:39:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> he don't need to. potus already did come out in support of the rioters.
[07:39:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> and the attorney general
[07:40:04] <crutchy> yeah. hence why i mentioned :p
[07:40:08] <arti> can't you see we're doing judgements with skintones
[07:40:09] <crutchy> perfectly suited
[07:40:33] <crutchy> arti, that's pretty much the basis of the US justice system no?
[07:40:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> i ain't got hate for the black man, i got pity cause their leadership's worse than the fuckers in washington.
[07:40:56] <arti> no, but i do enjoy getting a hand written apology letter
[07:41:14] <arti> our system is about shafting you as hard as you can
[07:41:18] <arti> and you plea out
[07:41:37] <crutchy> the biggest enemies of blacks are the war on drugs and the minimum wage
[07:41:49] <arti> it's other blacks
[07:41:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp. it's people who tell them they're victims
[07:42:18] <crutchy> nah they don't hate each other any more than whites hate whites etc
[07:42:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> get told that all your life you start believing it and acting like it.
[07:42:34] <crutchy> they just got more attention grabbing ways of conveying their hate :p
[07:42:42] <crutchy> like drive by shootings
[07:42:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, black on black crime is way higher than white on white percentage-wise.
[07:43:06] <crutchy> no, only according to white justics
[07:43:10] <crutchy> *justice
[07:43:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's really fucked up here man. you'd have to come over and see it yourself.
[07:43:20] <arti> http://www.pewresearch.org
[07:43:21] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Blacks Suffer Disproportionate Share of Firearm Homicide Deaths | Pew Research Center
[07:43:33] <crutchy> yeah they like their guns
[07:44:01] <crutchy> but it would be interesting to delve right into why
[07:44:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, rednecks in every red state looooove our guns. and we almost never shoot anyone with them.
[07:44:09] <crutchy> lol
[07:44:15] <crutchy> riiiight
[07:44:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> 99.4% of legal firearms in the US will never be used in a crime.
[07:45:21] <crutchy> 0.6% still equates to a lot of guns
[07:45:24] <Popeidol> yeah
[07:45:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> well yeah, big country
[07:45:37] <crutchy> not that i'm advocating gun control
[07:45:42] <crutchy> cos it wont work
[07:45:46] <crutchy> and is stupid
[07:45:59] <Popeidol> does that percentage hold steady if you vary the number of guns?
[07:46:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> Popeidol, generally, yeah.
[07:46:22] <crutchy> if there's more guns people wanna kill each other more
[07:46:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> well with a caveat
[07:46:25] <arti> http://img.washingtonpost.com
[07:46:31] <Popeidol> so if I doubled the guns with my budget gun factory
[07:46:40] <arti> Homicides by race, offender and victim
[07:46:41] <Popeidol> I'd ramp up gun crime?
[07:46:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you try to lower the number of guns by law, the violence will spike pretty hard as we start shooting people trying to take them.
[07:46:50] <crutchy> then the government would be twice as scared of its citizens
[07:47:19] <arti> nah, it can interrupt that shit
[07:48:02] <crutchy> if i'm gawd am i gunna bother protecting myself with a massive militarized police force and buy up a billion rounds of ammo?
[07:48:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> Popeidol, most gun collectors don't collect budget guns. they go for the ones they specifically want.
[07:48:33] * juggs hands out popcorn
[07:48:37] <arti> why do you hate freedom?
[07:48:39] <Popeidol> I assume gun collectors aren't the ones committing gun crimes though right?
[07:48:50] <crutchy> Popeidol, google 'big sandy shootout'
[07:48:56] <crutchy> its fkin awesome
[07:48:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> for the most part.
[07:48:59] <Popeidol> stamp collectors aren't usually the ones committing mail fraud after all
[07:49:07] <crutchy> ~define big sandy shootout
[07:49:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> nutjobs aside
[07:49:21] <exec> big sandy shootout: unable to find definition
[07:49:31] <crutchy> surprised it didn't come up with something about sandy cracks
[07:49:31] <arti> ~define big pakistan shootout
[07:49:41] <exec> big pakistan shootout: unable to find definition
[07:49:48] <Popeidol> I assume the big sandy shootout was one really motivated guy called sandy
[07:49:57] <Popeidol> 'big sandy'
[07:50:02] <arti> or it could be a tasteless newgrounds flash
[07:50:05] <arti> game
[07:50:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> but budget guns? yeah, that'd probably increase gun crimes because wannabe gangstas could afford them easier.
[07:50:21] <crutchy> its a bunch of guys with tanks and miniguns and all sorts of stuff that would make any government shit its pants
[07:50:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, sandy creek?
[07:50:53] <crutchy> not sure if they have nukes yet though
[07:51:05] * juggs ponders advising the SN board to just turn the site into yet another political debate site and get fat on ad revenue for M4 replicas and party campaign ads :D
[07:51:11] <arti> depends what you tech up as an organization
[07:51:29] <arti> in the Police RTS you should invest heavily for maximum control
[07:51:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, more tech of guns stories.
[07:51:59] <Popeidol> rifled vs unrifled barrels: the age-old debate
[07:52:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> everyone likes seeing inanimate stuff get shot by computer controlled guns firing really big bullets.
[07:52:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> saw a .50 cal that could shoot through a cinder block wall and explode exactly N inches inside the room.
[07:53:19] <Popeidol> I assume that only works for a certain thickness of cinderblock
[07:53:34] <arti> we need to explore this in a multiplayer simulation
[07:53:45] <arti> Today on Soylent Busters
[07:53:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno, it went by the number of rotations of the round but they didn't go into enough specifics.
[07:54:31] <Popeidol> hang on a second guys, I may have just come up with a brilliant idea
[07:54:33] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[07:54:33] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The Big Sandy Shoot '05 - YouTube
[07:54:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> arti, rifled and unrifled paintball guns at dawn?
[07:54:52] <Popeidol> you know how you can swallow a pill that contains a camera and just shows you your entire insides?
[07:54:55] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, I note Ars has run some interesting stories on gun tech recently. I liked their suppressor piece - actually had some guff about how they worked rather than be all James Bond "silencer" pew pew crud. The science behind suppression or displacement of noise and muzzle flash is interesting to the international reader - the politics of US gun control - not so much.
[07:54:57] <Popeidol> let's put those things in bullets.
[07:55:13] <arti> popeidol, sounds like something InTheCrack would do
[07:55:17] <arti> Inherspace
[07:55:25] <arti> (tm)
[07:55:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, yup yup. i generally don't wanna get pissed off reading the mornin news. that's what the rest of the internet is for.
[07:56:13] <arti> let's talk about immigration then
[07:56:36] <Popeidol> Immigrants: Why Are They So Determined To Take Our Jobs
[07:56:37] <crutchy> 'ey took err jerbs!!!
[07:56:55] <crutchy> a-terk-a-derrr!!!
[07:57:03] * arti laughs
[07:57:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, that's a pretty moronic argument. every study done says they increase the job market and the overall wealth of the nation.
[07:58:15] <arti> anyone have any puts on the ruble?
[07:58:34] <crutchy> yeah. i don't get the argument against immigration. just stop with the handing out taxpayer money and there would be no problem
[07:59:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, not going anywhere near that. i could prolly buy a buttload of em with the $0.90 worth of BTC i have left though.
[07:59:20] <crutchy> that's not much btc
[07:59:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas very true
[07:59:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> i bummed a buck worth for testing and ended up only using a few cents in case i needed more tests.
[07:59:59] <crutchy> did you buy a mansion with the rest
[08:00:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i donated all mine a while back and had to bum that. from cosurgi i think.
[08:00:53] <crutchy> dunno whether i'd go near rubles cos i don't think ol putin cares much about it. he'll just nationalize his wealth
[08:01:01] <juggs> Immigrants don't 'take er jerbs' - they either take jerbs that no-one else could be bothered getting off their ass to do, or they setup their own enterprises and become tax efficient (from a state or fed perspective). At l;east that's how it is here.
[08:01:22] <arti> plenty come legally
[08:01:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, generally here too.
[08:01:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya and let me tell you, the ones who came legally are PISSED.
[08:02:01] <juggs> But then 'here' is an island - so we probably don't face the same challenges as a nation that has land borders.
[08:02:30] <arti> over 1 million perm residents a year
[08:02:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's american pissed not brit pissed, juggs
[08:02:39] <crutchy> juggs, here too. we just shoot up their boats
[08:03:08] <arti> with heroin?
[08:03:18] <crutchy> boatoin
[08:03:26] <arti> "have some speed holes guys"
[08:03:31] <Popeidol> boatcoin is my new cryptocurrency
[08:04:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> costs somewhere in the neighborhood of $20k to get yourself here all legal and allowed to work n stay. the ones what paid that and waited are unhappy.
[08:04:12] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[08:04:13] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03The Simpsons - Gun Shop - YouTube
[08:04:14] <crutchy> one thing good about living on a big arse island... harder to invade
[08:04:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> you ain't heard funny till you you heard "goddamn pinchi wetbacks" come out the mouth of a mexican who just got citizenship.
[08:05:14] <crutchy> when the shit hits the fan its gunna be the other way round
[08:05:36] <crutchy> actually the canadian border will be worse
[08:05:46] <arti> why, because they'll enforce their borders?
[08:05:59] <juggs> TMB. ya had to read that twice. Fricking mental babel fish is overheating with one language, multiple definitions AI. Damn we thought translation was a hard AI to crack, try one language with multiple interpretations depending on the emitter and recipient of the thing said when all block location tracking. Will no-one think of the AI researchers?
[08:05:59] <crutchy> nah the flood of immigrants i mean
[08:06:20] <arti> Immitsunami
[08:06:29] <arti> the job locusts
[08:06:37] <crutchy> i hope not, but im worried it will happen
[08:06:44] <arti> and the canadian pharoh will send his swarms
[08:07:06] <crutchy> whenever the next financial crisis hits i think it will hit hard
[08:07:16] <arti> well if it didn't, i wouldn't be a crisis
[08:07:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, fear not. republican will be in office in two years and un-executive-order everything obama executive-ordered
[08:07:30] <arti> speaking of which, how's that low oil working out for russia
[08:07:41] <crutchy> republicans are just as bad as democrats
[08:07:46] <arti> nuh uh!
[08:07:48] <crutchy> republocrats
[08:07:56] <arti> rethuglicans
[08:08:08] <juggs> is there any difference?
[08:08:21] <crutchy> everyone in power just wants to spend more
[08:08:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> right but not the point. every now and then it's good that they can't agree on shit cause it means the potus can't go all imperial since he's gonna be out in 8 years tops.
[08:08:28] <arti> everyone likes raises
[08:08:56] <crutchy> you gunna end up with raised interest rates eventually
[08:09:01] <juggs> crutchy, they are all subservient to the lizards - you need to watch more david ike - he's sussed it
[08:09:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, different mascotts.
[08:09:28] <arti> crutchy, what's your net like there?
[08:09:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> opposite policies. generally ones that contradict themselves in thousands of little ways.
[08:09:36] <crutchy> and michelle obama is really a man
[08:09:47] * arti finds this amusing
[08:09:49] <crutchy> arti, 12mbps down, 1mbps up
[08:10:00] <crutchy> not the greatest i know
[08:10:10] <crutchy> konomi's apparently kicks arse
[08:10:19] <arti> it's cool, it's not about the size of the pipe, it's how you use it
[08:10:31] <crutchy> i don't use my pipe much
[08:10:34] <arti> she's just a size queen
[08:10:41] <arti> just make sure the lights are out
[08:10:42] <crutchy> though i started watching manga last night
[08:10:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm just glad the FCC guy went ahead and said 10Mbps or greater to be called broadband and get the subsidies for rolling it out to rural areas
[08:10:57] <arti> isn't that how pictures work?
[08:11:18] <arti> or do you braille that shit
[08:11:37] * arti watches as crutchy touches the ankle part
[08:11:51] <chr> bump bump…bump
[08:11:53] <arti> might need to wipe your brow
[08:11:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, that was buggin me too. you read manga. watching it is like watching a newspaper.
[08:12:02] <crutchy> i dunno. this series that i started watching is pretty funny
[08:12:08] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, laws or policies that contradict themselves just make work for lawyers - that's a hidden tax on every citizen as they have to employ a lawyer to even understand a law. Surely laws enforced on a population should be understandable by those the law is enforced on. Or do we end in idiocracy that way?
[08:12:20] <arti> maybe that's what they do
[08:12:32] <crutchy> maybe its not manga then. fiik. its weird japanese cartoons
[08:12:38] <arti> anime
[08:12:38] <chr> anime?
[08:12:43] <arti> !word
[08:12:43] <ciri> Unscramble ---> 6 uwsral
[08:12:43] <crutchy> yeah that
[08:12:56] <chr> swurl
[08:12:58] <ciri> Clue --->12 seal
[08:13:00] <crutchy> i dunno all these kitch words
[08:13:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, no worries. when i'm emperor any law that can't be understood by over 80% of a random selection of people stuck in traffic doesn't get passed.
[08:13:01] <arti> walrus
[08:13:02] <ciri> Woohoo arti!! You got it...4walrus
[08:13:03] <ciri> arti this is your first ever win!!!...Don't you feel pathetic!
[08:13:17] <arti> bleh brb
[08:13:18] <chr> TheMightyBuzzard: there's an idea
[08:13:30] <chr> people stuck in traffic can vote on stuff from their phones
[08:13:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> and that's retroactive, so them bastards better get writing soon
[08:13:48] <chr> install TheMightyVoter now!
[08:14:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, Popeidol, since you asked... "Privately-owned guns rose from 192M in 1994 to 310M in 2009, leading the firearm-related homicide rate to fall from 6.6 to 3.6 per 100,000."
[08:15:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, sweet, #GamerGate win
[08:16:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> re: that game name of Hatred what got booted from steam by the sjws... here's the steam boss today...
[08:16:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> "Yesterday I heard that we were taking Hatred down from Greenlight. Since I wasn’t up to speed, I asked around internally to find out why we had done that. It turns out that it wasn’t a good decision, and we’ll be putting Hatred back up. My apologies to you and your team. Steam is about creating tools for content creators and customers. Good luck with your game"
[08:20:44] <crutchy> this is 'asking internally': https://www.youtube.com
[08:20:44] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Woman Blows into Cow Anus to Help Boost Milk Yield - YouTube
[08:21:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly, hatred looks shiny but boring.
[08:22:03] <crutchy> hatred is hard work. fuck that for a joke
[08:22:22] <juggs> I've lost track of what #GamerGate is/was supposed to be about. I think the take out is everyone should feel guilty about something mm'kay.
[08:22:28] <crutchy> oh is hatred some kinda game?
[08:22:54] <crutchy> i haven't followed gamergate except for tidbits here
[08:23:15] <crutchy> which is usually interspersed with coffee and bewbs
[08:23:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, right now it's simple a push back by gamers against sjws invading another artform and trying to PC it up.
[08:23:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's just another front in the culture war
[08:24:19] <crutchy> only thing that could stop me from playing starcraft is if my old man turned off the power
[08:24:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> yurp
[08:24:33] <crutchy> 'the big switch'
[08:24:42] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, but wtf is an sjw? a white knight? it's all hype and bollocks.
[08:24:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i miss AT power supplies
[08:24:55] <crutchy> ~define sjw
[08:24:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, oh... les see...
[08:24:57] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3SJW: Social Justice Warrior. A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for th...
[08:25:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> short answer: the PC police.
[08:25:33] <crutchy> have they got tanks too?
[08:25:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, that wouldn't be pacifist enough.
[08:26:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> they just been doxxing GG members lately.
[08:26:09] <juggs> an ill-defined definition then. I stick to my "it's all hype and bollocks" summation.
[08:26:10] <crutchy> ~define doxxing
[08:26:13] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3doxxing: Doxxing, by way of "name-dropping," is document (doxx) dropping. It's publicly exposing someone's real name or address on the Internet who has taken pains to keep them secret. Also s...
[08:26:24] <crutchy> all sorts of new sperminology tonight
[08:27:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, mostly would be to you. it's important over this side of the pond though cause they already control most entertainment and nearly all education
[08:27:09] <chr> juggs: it's vague like hipster
[08:27:23] <chr> you'll know one when you see it
[08:27:44] <crutchy> i learnt another new word today
[08:27:49] <crutchy> ~define screeding
[08:27:56] <exec> [wiktionary] 3screeding: screeding
[08:28:08] <crutchy> well that's a fucking big help
[08:28:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> those of us who aren't PC and do not want to be PC or to be shit on for not being PC have to fight constantly or we'll be freezing out in the cold with the smokers next thing you know.
[08:28:19] <chr> crutchy: also skeeting :D
[08:28:22] <crutchy> tmb is mac
[08:28:26] <crutchy> :P
[08:28:32] <juggs> chr, don't they all have beards and tight jeans so we can easily single them out?
[08:28:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> not all of them can grow beards
[08:29:06] <chr> no, it's more like spamassassin. You look at the traits and adjust their score for each one
[08:29:33] <crutchy> beards are banned in mom's basement
[08:29:41] <chr> cheap, tacky accessories like dollar store sunglasses? +8
[08:29:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> clarification: little piddly, wuss beards. zz top beards will never be mistaken for hipsters.
[08:30:24] <crutchy> goatees are a hipster trend?
[08:30:39] <chr> shopping exclusively at goodwill eta l, +3 points
[08:30:42] * juggs smashes TheMightyBuzzard with a cleaver of hell, and brings password hashing review to #1 priority behind the next dot release.
[08:30:55] <crutchy> showing off your clam in public; priceless
[08:31:10] <chr> I move that we switch to 1024k iterations of sah512
[08:31:24] <chr> s/(a)(g)/$2$1/
[08:31:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, sure you don't want that to be tip someone a month of subscription for a good comment button so we can get some more money rolling in?
[08:31:32] <chr> thought $ was the new \
[08:31:47] <crutchy> maybe your awk is a dork
[08:32:07] <chr> my awk is a gawk
[08:32:12] <crutchy> noice
[08:32:18] <crutchy> we all like to gawk sometimes
[08:32:38] <chr> had to adjust the script to point at gawk 'cause point at awk wouldn't work right. Maybe it changes modes or something
[08:32:43] <crutchy> there's a fly on my router
[08:32:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> me n cosurgi was talkin that earlier. sounded like a good way to make that $200 into $250 or $300.
[08:32:53] <crutchy> sudo flyctl kill
[08:33:05] <chr> crutchy: that's the nsa
[08:33:27] <crutchy> prolly. seems to be comfy. maybe it likes the warmth
[08:33:35] <chr> Hm, I remember a book about an RC robot dragonfly
[08:33:57] <crutchy> it might be taking a memory dump
[08:34:30] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, saw that discussion. No reason you couldn't be working on that and a minion tasked to the password hash stuff. Up to pj to do the tasking for dev I guess. I only get to set priorities or something like that.
[08:34:48] <crutchy> and order the hits
[08:34:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[08:35:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can prolly do both in pretty short order.
[08:35:17] <chr> juggs: be sure to be anonymous with you order the hits. Dawn your Ethanol-fueled disguise or something
[08:35:53] <juggs> Getting a little tired of bots in here.
[08:36:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, ima get some sleep. gettin up in 2.5h
[08:37:36] <juggs> crutchy, I think I get to order the pizza and pay for it.
[08:41:37] <crutchy> juggs, which bots? or all of them?
[08:42:12] <crutchy> ~part
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[08:42:24] <crutchy> mine doesn't do much anyway
[08:42:35] <crutchy> i'll just leave it in other channels
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[08:43:16] <crutchy> night tmb
[08:44:38] <chr> crutchy: maybe he meant me :) I probably sound like a bot
[08:44:49] <crutchy> feed me paper!
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[08:45:03] <chr> Need input
[08:45:23] <crutchy> might relocate to the couch
[08:45:38] <crutchy> its weird being able to sit at my desk
[08:46:04] <crutchy> now that all the crap has been pushed to one side :p
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[08:49:33] <Konomi> https://imgur.com
[08:49:34] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Suicide is illegal because it is a crime to destroy government property - Imgur
[08:51:09] <crutchy> nooooo. not sedbot!
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[09:04:01] <SirFinkus> daily reminder that you can just buy this http://www.mpbio.com
[09:04:01] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03R,S-()-QUINUCLIDINYL BENZILATE (02153697) - MP Biomedicals
[09:05:12] <crutchy> what's that stuff?
[09:05:53] <crutchy> might watch some anime
[09:06:09] <crutchy> now that i know what its called :p
[09:06:15] <SirFinkus> BZ
[09:07:39] <SirFinkus> drinks time
[09:07:44] * SirFinkus is listening to The Heavy — Can't Play Dead, from the album The Glorious Dead
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[09:41:59] <KonomiNetbook> http://www.themoscowtimes.com
[09:42:04] <KonomiNetbook> amusing
[09:43:27] <SirFinkus> is the moscow times as propaganda-ey as RT?
[09:45:02] <KonomiNetbook> no clue lol
[09:45:11] <KonomiNetbook> never heard of them before RT is really bad though
[09:50:48] <SirFinkus> I think their narrative on this is that it's Obama's fault, and that Putin is going to swoop in and save the day with decisive action
[09:52:30] <Konomi> sure sure ;p
[09:52:49] <chr> comments disabled :(
[09:53:02] <Konomi> the propaganda in russia is pretty thick
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[10:33:48] <ar> https://www.youtube.com - genious
[10:33:49] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03OK Go - Needing/Getting - Official Video - YouTube
[10:38:43] <Popeidol> putin removes shirt; economy recovers
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[10:47:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Trinity Desktop Environment R14.0.0 Released! - http://sylnt.us - just-thought...-you-were-a-guy.
[11:06:41] <chr> gasp! tsk tsk, Subsentient! c99?
[11:15:33] <Subsentient> chr: There's nothing wrong with C99. I just got tired of using /*comments*/ when I could be using //comments
[11:15:49] <Subsentient> NEXUS is C99 you know.
[11:18:08] <chr> I was thinking you were again' it and only switched nexus begrudgingly
[11:18:24] <crutchy> join the dark side Subsentient... php has # comments :p
[11:18:52] <crutchy> even better than # cookies
[11:18:55] <chr> Pascal has // comments :D
[11:19:00] <chr> and {} comments
[11:19:08] <chr> and (* *) comments
[11:19:12] <Subsentient> crutchy: Never much liked # comments. I actually prefer //, it doesn't require shift.
[11:19:28] <crutchy> pascal++
[11:19:28] <Bender> karma - pascal: 49
[11:19:56] <crutchy> had a request at work for an update to one of the programs i wrote
[11:20:20] <crutchy> a delphi program
[11:20:36] <chr> and you said "oh shit"
[11:20:53] <crutchy> i added another sticky note
[11:20:54] <chr> Subsentient: how about blacklists for $title as well?
[11:21:16] <chr> blacklisting urls and stuff
[11:21:27] <chr> also I thought it only read the first 2k or so
[11:21:45] <crutchy> exec uses head
[11:21:50] <chr> crutchy: you were talking about getting back into 'real' programming earlier, right?
[11:21:56] <chr> head for titles?
[11:22:07] <crutchy> oh nope sorry got confusement there
[11:22:26] <chr> I just read his commit about DoSing by $title
[11:22:32] <chr> so I was thinkin' of that
[11:23:41] <Subsentient> $restart
[11:23:42] <aqu4> Be right back.
[11:23:42] <ciri> when you coming back. miss ya already! ;) aqu4
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[11:23:51] <crutchy> i just checked out my title script. it reads the whole damn page
[11:23:58] <Konomi> haha
[11:24:02] <chr> mine too
[11:24:08] <aqu4> I feel different. Subsentient: What did you do?
[11:24:09] <Konomi> oh god ;p
[11:24:12] <chr> tmb got it to download firefox when I first set it up
[11:24:15] <Subsentient> :^)
[11:24:32] <chr> that was quick restart; must be going through nexus
[11:24:34] <crutchy> might make it just read until it gets to </title>
[11:24:43] <chr> 'cause it's not possible to connect to this server that fast
[11:24:49] <crutchy> or 2048
[11:24:51] <aqu4> Subsentient: What did you do to me? I have a taste of variable length arrays in my mouth.
[11:24:55] <crutchy> which ever is smaller
[11:25:01] <Konomi> make it read the first section of bytes
[11:25:05] <Konomi> then parse for the title
[11:25:16] <Subsentient> aqu4: I updated your makefile to C99.
[11:25:20] <chr> Has to be at least a couple KB of file
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[11:25:27] <aqu4> Is that good?
[11:25:30] <Subsentient> I think so.
[11:25:38] <aqu4> You think so?
[11:25:45] <aqu4> You're not sure?
[11:25:48] <crutchy> reads 1 kb chunks
[11:25:50] <Subsentient> No, it's probably a good idea.
[11:26:11] <Subsentient> Now you can use 64-bit types and C++ comments and I don't have to use constant expressions in initializer lists for auto objects anymore.
[11:26:34] <crutchy> aqu4, you've been violated!
[11:26:51] * crutchy puts tama in aqu4
[11:27:14] <crutchy> tama will save you
[11:27:15] <aqu4> crutchy: hold on, I think he might be on to something here. So, I can have initializers with only the middle element initialized now?
[11:27:20] <Subsentient> Yes.
[11:27:25] <crutchy> its a trick!
[11:27:35] <aqu4> crutchy: shush.
[11:27:39] <crutchy> Subsentient is just trying to butter you up
[11:28:03] <aqu4> Subsentient: And apparently you can declare variables beyond the beginning of a block?
[11:28:15] <Subsentient> aqu4: yes, but that's a BAD thing to do generally. I won't be using that.
[11:28:20] <crutchy> he's warming his variable initializer now i can tell
[11:28:22] <chr> aqu4: he's putting c99 into your $burrito hole!
[11:28:37] <aqu4> Then why did they make it part of C99?
[11:28:48] <Subsentient> Ehh, because some whiners wanted it, and it can be a little more efficient
[11:28:52] <Subsentient> even if it results in unreadable code
[11:30:00] <chr> Subsentient: also an ignore list to ignore urls from bots or whatever
[11:30:09] <chr> Could just use regular ignore I suppose
[11:30:14] <Subsentient> chr: that's what $blacklist is for.
[11:30:35] <crutchy> $blacklist
[11:30:35] <aqu4> You must be an admin to use that command.
[11:30:42] <crutchy> $buttlist
[11:30:56] <aqu4> crutchy: Yes, you are on my buttlist.
[11:31:04] <aqu4> crutchy: Butthead.
[11:31:11] <crutchy> video or it didn't happen
[11:31:13] <chr> $beavis
[11:31:39] <crutchy> chr, s/is/er/
[11:31:39] <SedNotABot> <crutchy> <chr> $beaver
[11:32:10] <chr> angry_beavers++ # on tv
[11:32:10] <Bender> karma - angry_beavers: 1
[11:32:14] <crutchy> a $beaver command is as critical as a $grope command
[11:32:14] <chr> angry_beavers-- # in real life
[11:32:15] <Bender> karma - angry_beavers: 0
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[11:33:27] <Subsentient> Now, the most important command aqu4 has must be tested.
[11:33:29] <Subsentient> $wz
[11:33:30] <aqu4> No games available.
[11:33:35] <Subsentient> Yep, it works.
[11:34:01] <chr> Dear Soylent: Today I learned that using an ancient Lunix Bistro on a livecd is moar secure and less effort than installing to HDD and updating
[11:34:30] <Subsentient> Believe it or not, a big part of the reason I wrote aqu4 was for the $wz command. Her predecessor the python bot pr0t0 had that command too, but it didn't work that well and pr0t0 was very buggy.
[11:34:50] <Subsentient> That's eh, why I wrote aqu4.
[11:35:01] <chr> well now you can go back to it because you have the part you extracted from aqu4; it can just call that :D
[11:35:14] <chr> not that you'd want to go back now
[11:35:35] <Subsentient> Yeh to be honest, aqu4 is better than pr0t0 in every measurable way.
[11:35:53] * chr gets out the ruler
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[11:57:14] <crutchy> i tweaked the wget function to include a testcode parameter that i can pass code through to be eval'd to break the download loop
[11:57:16] <crutchy> eval++
[11:57:16] <Bender> karma - eval: 3
[11:57:57] <crutchy> now ~title breaks on </title> or 2048 bytes (whichever it hits first)
[11:58:06] <crutchy> in 256 byte chunks
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[12:02:49] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: part
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[12:03:41] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: part
[12:03:54] <Subsentient> dammit, it's segfaulting under WInVista.
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[12:04:06] <Subsentient> aqu4: part
[12:04:07] <aqu4> Assuming you mean this channel.
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[12:04:19] <Subsentient> $title
[12:04:19] <aqu4> You need to provide a valid http link. https is not supported.
[12:04:24] <Subsentient> $title http://universe2.us
[12:04:24] <aqu4> Title for page "http://universe2.us": "3Universe 2"
[12:07:47] <chr> you can have it connect through nexus as well
[12:07:55] <chr> and just set it to a different prefix :D
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[12:15:11] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: part
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[12:15:36] <Subsentient> damn, still segfault
[12:16:19] <chr> try xp
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[12:17:00] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: part
[12:17:06] <Subsentient> SON OF A BITCH
[12:18:18] <chr> You can use the free version of msvc to debug
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[12:18:45] <chr> or gdb I guess
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[12:23:50] <Subsentient> installing MinGW on the vista machine to get gdb.
[12:26:58] <chr> what were you using to compile?
[12:27:10] <chr> or are you doing cross compile from SubLinux?
[12:31:31] <Subsentient> I generally cross compile./
[12:31:49] <crutchy> maybe dr watson is trying to examine aqu4's bits
[12:31:59] <Subsentient> lol
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[12:38:41] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: part
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[12:40:32] <Subsentient> That was unhelpful
[12:40:54] <chr> :(
[12:40:55] <Subsentient> the only backtrace I got was on commands.c 144, the definition of the command processing function...
[12:41:21] <chr> did you remember to copy the source over? :)
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[12:46:26] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: part
[12:46:26] <aqu4_vista> Assuming you mean this channel.
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[12:47:29] <crutchy> ~time themightybuzzard
[12:47:33] <Subsentient> The identical configuration works flawlessly in Linux.
[12:47:36] <crutchy> oops
[12:47:54] <crutchy> problems with winsock?
[12:47:58] <Subsentient> Doubtful.
[12:48:07] <Subsentient> I dunno
[12:48:20] <Subsentient> there might be corruption somewhere that isn't manifesting in Linux.
[12:48:37] <crutchy> linux++
[12:48:37] <Bender> karma - linux: 11
[12:48:57] <crutchy> ah i know. you've got the windows virus
[12:49:23] <Subsentient> Compiling Valgrind.
[12:49:45] <Subsentient> If there is a memory problem somewhere, valgrind will find it.
[12:49:56] <crutchy> var_dump++
[12:49:57] <Bender> karma - var_dump: 2
[12:50:45] <crutchy> delphi is my tool of choice for windows. awesome ide plus strong typed language = pleasant debugging
[12:51:06] <Subsentient> aqu4bot DOES use lots of linked lists, so that might be part of the issue.
[12:51:31] <Subsentient> Might be missing a pointer somewhere.
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[12:55:36] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: part
[12:55:36] <aqu4_vista> Assuming you mean this channel.
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[12:55:53] <Subsentient> AHA
[12:55:57] <Subsentient> Found some invalid reads
[12:56:05] * crutchy points at ciri's pointers
[12:56:05] <Subsentient> Now to see where....
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[12:59:50] <Subsentient> .
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[13:16:56] <Subsentient> oh god
[13:16:58] <Subsentient> it's a new bug
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[13:20:10] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: part
[13:20:11] <aqu4_vista> Assuming you mean this channel.
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[13:28:01] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: part
[13:28:01] <aqu4_vista> Assuming you mean this channel.
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[13:28:30] <Subsentient> $title http://universe2.us
[13:28:30] <aqu4> Title for page "http://universe2.us": "3Universe 2"
[13:28:30] <aqu4_vista> Failed to connect to retrieve page title.
[13:28:49] <crutchy> $buttchute activate
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[13:29:51] <Subsentient> $title http://universe2.us
[13:29:52] <aqu4_vista> Title for page "http://universe2.us": "3Universe 2"
[13:29:52] <aqu4> Title for page "http://universe2.us": "3Universe 2"
[13:29:52] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Universe 2
[13:29:56] <Subsentient> That's better.
[13:30:00] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: part
[13:30:00] <aqu4_vista> Assuming you mean this channel.
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[13:31:23] <Subsentient> Welp, that was it.
[13:31:42] <Subsentient> I was being an idiot and allocating a 2MB array on the stack.
[13:33:40] <Subsentient> Fixed it.
[13:33:48] <crutchy> Subsentient++
[13:33:48] <Bender> karma - subsentient: 23
[13:34:20] <crutchy> g'night #soylent
[13:35:28] <Subsentient> gn crutchy
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[13:39:13] <Subsentient> aqu4: nickchange aqu4_vista
[13:39:13] <aqu4> Ok.
[13:39:14] aqu4 is now known as aqu4_vista
[13:39:32] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: nickchange aqu4
[13:39:32] <aqu4_vista> Ok.
[13:39:33] aqu4_vista is now known as aqu4
[13:39:42] <Subsentient> aqu4v: nickchange aqu4_vista
[13:39:42] <aqu4v> Ok.
[13:39:43] aqu4v is now known as aqu4_vista
[13:39:47] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: part
[13:39:47] <aqu4_vista> Assuming you mean this channel.
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[13:40:07] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: part
[13:40:07] <aqu4_vista> Assuming you mean this channel.
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[13:40:14] <Subsentient> @wz
[13:40:46] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: part
[13:40:46] <aqu4_vista> Assuming you mean this channel.
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[13:40:55] <Subsentient> @wz
[13:40:58] <Subsentient> @commands
[13:41:02] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: commands
[13:41:02] <aqu4_vista> Commands with 1 star = admins only, 2 stars = owners only. Commands available:
[13:41:03] <aqu4_vista> burrito, beer, godzilla4**, wz, guessinggame, sr, time, title, ddg, coin, seen, tell, sticky, replace, whoami, tail8*, msg8*, memsg8*, noticemsg8*, chanctl8*, join8*, part8*, debug8*, nickchange4**, admin4**, blacklist8*, netwrite4**, quit4**, restart4**, help, commands
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[13:41:30] <Subsentient> @wz
[13:41:31] <aqu4> No games available.
[13:41:37] <Subsentient> So aqu4's smart enough...
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[13:42:31] <Subsentient> $restart
[13:42:31] <aqu4> Be right back.
[13:42:31] <aqu4_vista> Be right back.
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[13:43:01] <Subsentient> aqu4: part
[13:43:01] <aqu4> Assuming you mean this channel.
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[13:43:11] <Subsentient> @wz
[13:43:21] <Subsentient> aqu4: part
[13:43:21] <aqu4> Assuming you mean this channel.
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[13:43:27] <Subsentient> @wz
[13:43:32] <Subsentient> aqu4: part
[13:43:32] <aqu4> Assuming you mean this channel.
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[13:43:45] <Subsentient> @wz
[13:43:51] <Subsentient> T_T
[13:43:55] <Subsentient> aqu4: wz
[13:43:56] <aqu4> 3[1 of 2] Name: My Game | Map: NTW_3v3wBases-T1 | Host: FARID | Players: 1/6 | IP: 222.124.113.254 | Version: 3.1.1
[13:43:57] <aqu4> 3[2 of 2] Name: Game | Map: WLF_coperation_b-T1 | Host: StupidNoob | Players: 3/4 | IP: 24.231.246.59 | Version: 3.1.1
[13:44:12] <Subsentient> WTF I break now lol
[13:44:24] <Subsentient> $time
[13:44:24] <aqu4> Wed 2014-12-17 01:41:46 PM UTC
[13:44:24] <aqu4v> Wed 2014-12-17 01:44:24 PM UTC
[13:50:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ars was Briefly Hacked Yesterday - http://sylnt.us - How-rude!
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[14:25:53] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: cycle
[14:25:53] <aqu4_vista> I'm not in that channel.
[14:25:56] <Subsentient> hehe
[14:26:02] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: cycle #Soylent
[14:26:02] <aqu4_vista> Bad subcommand.
[14:26:04] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: cycle #Soylent
[14:26:04] <aqu4_vista> Bad subcommand.
[14:26:13] <Subsentient> gotta fix that lol
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[14:26:15] <aqu4_vista> See you around.
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[14:31:48] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: cycle
[14:31:48] <aqu4_vista> I'm not in that channel.
[14:31:49] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: cycle
[14:31:49] <aqu4_vista> I'm not in that channel.
[14:31:54] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: cycle #soylent
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[14:31:56] <aqu4_vista> Channel cycle complete.
[14:32:02] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: cycle #soylent fresh
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[14:32:04] <aqu4_vista> Channel cycle complete.
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[14:33:57] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: cycle
[14:33:57] <aqu4_vista> I'm not in that channel.
[14:34:10] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: join ##aqu4bot
[14:34:10] <aqu4_vista> Joined 1/1 channels.
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[14:35:12] <Subsentient> $cycle
[14:35:21] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: cycle
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[14:35:23] <aqu4_vista> Channel cycle complete.
[14:35:34] <Subsentient> aqu4_vista: part
[14:35:34] <aqu4_vista> Assuming you mean this channel.
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[14:35:52] <Subsentient> @commands
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[15:20:49] <mechanicjay> mornings --
[15:21:02] <mechanicjay> mornings--
[15:21:02] <Bender> karma - mornings: -1
[15:21:06] <mechanicjay> coffee++
[15:21:06] <Bender> karma - coffee: 912
[15:21:16] <mechanicjay> early--
[15:21:16] <Bender> karma - early: -1
[15:21:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - End of the Road for Dr Dobbs - http://sylnt.us - end-of-an-era
[15:27:32] <Blackmoore> coffee+=
[15:27:39] <Blackmoore> morning
[15:33:31] <mechanicjay> hey Blackmoore
[15:56:10] <Blackmoore> sup?
[15:56:31] <mechanicjay> just saying hey
[15:56:34] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[15:56:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 913
[15:56:58] <Blackmoore> sorry - groggy. was out late, and ended with a 2 hour drivee home
[16:02:17] <Konomi> https://imgur.com
[16:02:18] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Maturity Climb - Imgur
[16:02:19] <Konomi> go go
[16:04:22] <mechanicjay> laywers--
[16:04:22] <Bender> karma - laywers: -1
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[17:39:55] <mechanicjay> lawyers--
[17:39:55] <Bender> karma - lawyers: -1
[17:40:14] <mechanicjay> lawyers--
[17:40:14] <Bender> karma - lawyers: -2
[17:40:15] <mechanicjay> lawyers--
[17:40:15] <Bender> karma - lawyers: -3
[17:40:16] <mechanicjay> lawyers--
[17:40:16] <Bender> karma - lawyers: -4
[17:40:16] <mechanicjay> lawyers--
[17:40:16] <Bender> karma - lawyers: -5
[17:40:25] * mechanicjay is feeling better now
[17:41:59] <mechanicjay> never let a lawyer write anything that looks like it's plain english -- he'll just try to weasel out of it, saying he doesn't agree with your interpretation when it stops being in his favor.
[17:53:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA Rover Discovers Mysterious Martian Methane Emissions - http://sylnt.us - tantalizing-teasers
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[18:04:15] <Ethanol-fueled> Two more days
[18:04:20] <Ethanol-fueled> Two more days
[18:05:16] <Ethanol-fueled> Then it's two whole straight weeks off to PARTY.
[18:05:29] <Ethanol-fueled> Fuck work,
[18:05:32] <Ethanol-fueled> Fuck school
[18:06:13] <Ethanol-fueled> Maybe get some songs recorded, build a robot with my Arduino.
[18:06:31] <Ethanol-fueled> Go shooting, try to fish, camp, kayaking
[18:07:11] <Ethanol-fueled> Troll Soylent News
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[18:23:52] <Blackmoore> lawyers--
[18:23:52] <Bender> karma - lawyers: -6
[18:28:39] <ar> lawyers--
[18:28:39] <Bender> karma - lawyers: -7
[18:29:08] <chr> lawyers-- # everybody join the chorus
[18:29:08] <Bender> karma - lawyers: -8
[18:30:54] <mechanicjay> lawyers--
[18:30:54] <Bender> karma - lawyers: -9
[18:32:11] <arti> the cause of and solution to all problems
[18:32:43] <arti> what do you call a smiling, courteous person at a bar association convention?
[18:32:51] <arti> the caterer.
[18:33:10] <arti> what's the difference between a female lawyer and a pitbull?
[18:33:13] <arti> lipstick.
[18:33:44] <chr> holy shit, pitbulls are ugly
[18:33:46] <arti> why did God make snakes just before lawyers?
[18:33:50] <arti> to practice.
[18:34:31] <arti> know how copper wire was invented?
[18:34:40] <arti> two lawyers were fighting over a penny :D
[19:24:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Robots Join Open Source Revolution - http://sylnt.us - waiting-for-dance-dance-revolution-robots
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[19:29:01] <Ethanol-fueled> 'sup
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[20:35:44] <Blackmoore> http://www.salon.com
[20:35:45] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03We are f***ing sadists: We are not decent, and we are not a democracy - Salon.com
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[21:15:38] <Blackmoore> I guess it's just simpler to be a monster, than a man
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[21:32:25] <crutchy> gradually moving over to my desktop
[21:32:52] <crutchy> can't run exec cos new php throws an SSL cert error and i can'
[21:33:07] <crutchy> t edit the script cos i need to change my uid to match the nas :/
[21:33:20] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:33:20] <Bender> karma - coffee: 914
[21:33:21] <arti> :|
[21:34:09] <crutchy> will hopefully get it working after workipoos
[21:34:17] <crutchy> better go. cyas
[21:37:01] <arti> later mate
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[22:01:24] <Blackmoore> cripes. does anyone have some uplifting news?
[22:01:46] <chr> Well, I just saved a ton of money on my car insurance
[22:02:38] <Blackmoore> the more i read into the Salon article or the fark thread about it the more i think i should drop the act of being civilized and go about being a sociopath
[22:04:59] <chr> The thing to learn from it is anyone who's suicidal should Dexter up the joint
[22:05:10] <Blackmoore> seriously.
[22:05:27] <Blackmoore> and may as well run for office on the platform.
[22:05:44] <Blackmoore> "vote for me and I might not kill you"
[22:05:54] <chr> Suicide's a waste; may as well help the community on the way out
[22:05:59] <chr> Have you seen Dexter?
[22:06:01] <chr> tv show
[22:06:15] <Blackmoore> in bits.
[22:06:34] <chr> the part I meant was the taking out bad guys
[22:06:43] <Blackmoore> i like the idea tho - investegator who's actually a killer
[22:06:52] <chr> Kill as many politicians or lawyers as you can before they get you
[22:06:57] <mechanicjay> Blackmoore: I misread that at first as "...go back to being a sociopath."
[22:07:01] <Blackmoore> heh heh heh
[22:09:01] <chr> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[22:09:01] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Microsoft says to expect AWESOME things of Windows 10 in January • The Register
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[22:21:55] <Ethanol-fueled> Blackmoore, when you fight monsters, you become a monster. When you stare into the abyss, it stares back at you.
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[22:23:10] <paulej72> bat shit crazy
[22:23:39] <paulej72> I have benn running around all day getting computers fixed, and I am still not home
[22:24:27] <JamesNZ> Earn dem monies!
[22:26:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Venus Express Goes Gently into the Night - http://sylnt.us - bananarama-has-nothing-on-this
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[22:39:30] <Blackmoore> See; what Ethanol is missing is that i recognize that deep inside I am a monster. and no; I'm not out there fighting them.
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[22:45:06] <chr> a monster is just an animal that hasn't come out of the closet
[22:47:50] <Blackmoore> nah. animals are just that
[22:48:08] <Blackmoore> they don't plot, they dont conspire - they just are
[22:49:22] <chr> some work in packs. others make tools
[22:50:04] <Blackmoore> and some act on emotion.
[22:50:39] <Blackmoore> still not as dangerous as a sociopath
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