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[00:49:34] <SpallsHurgenson> people come in, people go out; another exciting night on #soylent
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[00:52:02] <SirFinkus> just went to That Other Site for the first time in months, and this greeted me
[00:52:03] <SirFinkus> Announcing: Slashdot Deals - Explore geek apps, games, gadgets and more.
[00:52:26] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, Deals is silly, but Dice is desperate
[00:52:52] <SpallsHurgenson> Deals is also awful; I saw something along the line of a pack of AA batteries of $20
[00:52:58] <SirFinkus> lol
[00:52:59] <ciri> it's not that funny :)
[00:53:06] <SirFinkus> shut up ciri
[00:53:08] <SirFinkus> ciri--
[00:53:08] <Bender> karma - ciri: -28
[00:53:37] <SpallsHurgenson> but alot of the comments are still worth reading, so I just ignore Dice's frantic thrashing and dive right into the stories :)
[00:53:42] <chromas> hey it could've been a barrel of AAs
[00:54:06] <chromas> for just nineteen nighty five
[00:54:31] <SpallsHurgenson> well, I could use a good barrel...
[00:55:01] <SpallsHurgenson> ($50: 100 AA & 52 AAA batteries)
[00:56:10] <chromas> We need ½A and ⅓A batteries
[00:56:30] <chromas> And some new block sizes for cameras and stuff
[00:57:23] <SpallsHurgenson> how the hell did the world standardize on battery sizes when it can't manage to do so with anything else?
[00:57:51] <chromas> By having a lot of standards
[00:58:51] <chromas> Have we used all the letters yet? XY-2075pl
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[01:04:10] <SpallsHurgenson> we need more letters.
[01:12:16] <juggs> 3
[01:12:17] <ciri> 4
[01:12:18] <ciri> 5
[01:12:20] <ciri> 6
[01:12:22] <ciri> 7
[01:12:24] <ciri> 8
[01:12:26] <ciri> 9
[01:12:28] <ciri> 10 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[01:16:29] * Leebert goes to 11
[01:20:31] * chromas gives Leebert a wood knob
[01:20:47] <juggs> needs glowing valves too
[01:21:33] <chromas> depolarized cable insulation
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[01:24:54] <SirFinkus> oh boy, 53KM/h winds, getting pretty nasty outside
[01:24:58] <SirFinkus> might lose power
[01:26:10] <SirFinkus> lights flickering, fantastic
[01:27:38] <juggs> crikey - what kind of power grid do you have that falls over in a light breeze?
[01:27:59] <SirFinkus> a shitty one
[01:28:15] <chromas> I dunno about him but we still mostly have above-ground power lines
[01:28:25] <SirFinkus> ^
[01:28:52] <mythterj> One with trees around no doubt. People who live in arizona or farm country tend not to notoce how much trees mess things up.
[01:30:42] <SirFinkus> oh yeah, big fir trees everywhere
[01:30:46] <juggs> thankfully all my services are underground at my current abode.
[01:30:50] <SirFinkus> evergreen_state--
[01:30:50] <Bender> karma - evergreen_state: -1
[01:31:28] <juggs> yah, above ground power lines and lots of trees to topple on them... I can see that could be bad
[01:36:04] <mythterj> Don't forget power companies that won't maintain their right of ways untill something falls down. Those are also bad.
[01:36:46] <SirFinkus> I don't blame them for that, that kind of thing is a massive pita
[01:37:40] <SirFinkus> people bitch when their trees get their branches cut off, or if the trees are cut down
[01:37:55] <SirFinkus> then people bitch when their trees fall on the power lines and they lose power
[01:37:58] <juggs> must be a lot more common in large countries with lower density populations
[01:38:05] <juggs> people always bitch :D
[01:39:49] <SirFinkus> I just hope my tv shows finish downloading before it goes
[01:40:23] <juggs> You got backup power?
[01:40:47] <SirFinkus> nope
[01:40:50] <SirFinkus> got a laptop though
[01:41:05] <juggs> that'll do or a few hours at least ~:)
[01:41:14] <juggs> s/or/for/
[01:41:14] <sedctl> <juggs> that'll do for a few hours at least ~:)
[01:43:02] <SirFinkus> I got 25 minutes covered
[01:43:02] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[01:43:03] <NetCraft> ^ 03VICE News Exclusive: The Architect of the CIA's Enhanced Interrogation Program - YouTube
[01:43:08] <SirFinkus> youtube-dl++
[01:43:22] <SirFinkus> youtube_dl++
[01:43:22] <Bender> karma - youtube_dl: 1
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[01:57:40] <SirFinkus> up to 90KM/h now
[02:00:22] <juggs> ~weather
[02:00:23] <exec> Weather for London, UK - currently 48°F / 9°C, rain showers, wind NE at 1 mph, humidity 86% - Friday chance of rain (36°F-49°F / 2°C-9°C), Saturday clear (33°F-40°F / 1°C-4°C), Sunday mostly cloudy (38°F-48°F / 3°C-9°C), Monday clear (36°F-45°F / 2°C-7°C) - source: Google
[02:00:33] <SirFinkus> ~weather
[02:00:34] <exec> Weather for Olympia, WA, USA - currently 56°F / 13°C, overcast, wind N at 5 mph, humidity 67% - Thursday rain (45°F-59°F / 7°C-15°C), Friday showers (39°F-52°F / 4°C-11°C), Saturday partly cloudy (34°F-48°F / 1°C-9°C), Sunday mostly cloudy (32°F-46°F / 0°C-8°C) - source: Google
[02:00:45] <juggs> It lies!
[02:00:59] <SirFinkus> forgot about that, the wind is inaccurate as fuck though
[02:01:00] <juggs> Wonder how out of date google weather is
[02:01:29] <juggs> Suppose it depends how far apart it's weather station sources are in any given region
[02:01:43] <juggs> damn my apostrophe fetish!
[02:14:43] <juggs> \o/ yay for the random acts of kindness from fellow gamers.
[02:15:20] <chromas> Did they give you free hours of AOL?
[02:15:29] <juggs> lol
[02:15:30] <ciri> i don't think it's that funny lol
[02:17:55] <juggs> just realised a gaming friend is an accountant - albeit not a US accountant, but they're giving me a steer on this interminable IRS bullshit / general accounting principles stuff.
[02:18:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> woot!
[02:19:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> now if we just knew a QB guru
[02:19:49] <juggs> Indeed TMB, indeed. Still going to need that bookeep help for mrcool, but I'm nailing down the return form filling stuff.
[02:19:54] * SirFinkus whistles
[02:20:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> eggsellent
[02:20:34] * juggs wonders is SirFinkus is a closet quickbooks guru >.>
[02:20:55] <SirFinkus> not a guru, but I've used it before
[02:21:06] <SirFinkus> a really old version though
[02:21:15] <SirFinkus> quickbooks is garbage, I'd investigate alternatives
[02:21:38] <SirFinkus> brown out
[02:21:40] <juggs> Decision made before my time, I wash my hands of said decision
[02:22:02] <SirFinkus> any second now
[02:22:05] <juggs> I've not experience with it, so can't really comment to be fair
[02:22:22] <SirFinkus> it's like microsoft products
[02:22:25] <dx3bydt3> I don't know how to use quickbooks, but I have to keep it up to date at work.
[02:22:28] <dx3bydt3> it sucks.
[02:22:34] <SirFinkus> once you're in, you're kind of stuck with it
[02:22:55] <SirFinkus> and they'll constantly harrass you to buy services and little feature packs and upgrades and shit
[02:23:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, they'll harass mrcoolbp. which i can live with.
[02:23:45] <dx3bydt3> also you can't stick with one version for a couple of years.
[02:24:00] <dx3bydt3> the updates to tax tables etc only work with the up to date version.
[02:24:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> yays
[02:24:12] <SirFinkus> the version I had had little ads everywhere
[02:24:30] <SirFinkus> shit would popup "you need to re-order checks!"
[02:24:30] <ciri> ok who left the pile of shit in the channel?
[02:24:32] <SirFinkus> that kind of stuff
[02:24:39] <SirFinkus> it was you ciri
[02:26:14] <dx3bydt3> It is a pain with backups, because the "company file" can't be copied when it is being accessed i.e. anyone has it open, you can't back it up.
[02:26:33] <chromas> there's peachtree if you want to spend even more money :)
[02:26:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> not a problem for us. treasurer is the only one touching it
[02:27:25] <dx3bydt3> ah, for a single user most of my beefs with it disappear.
[02:27:46] <SirFinkus> the version of quick books I used allowed you to enter the tax information manually
[02:27:57] <SirFinkus> which might be ok, if it's for soylent
[02:28:17] <SirFinkus> it isn't really all that difficult to calculate all that stuff for payroll or whathaveyou
[02:28:39] <dx3bydt3> The company I work for uses it for payroll, both Canadian and US, which complicates matters.
[02:28:41] <juggs> I'm surprised we didn't elect to go with recurring subs to quickbooks online, presumably all the tax table update concerns go away with that
[02:29:18] <SirFinkus> the tax table update thing is nice, but it isn't really required imo
[02:29:27] <SirFinkus> unless you have tons of employees or something
[02:29:47] <SirFinkus> or are selling different goods that are taxed at different rates
[02:30:06] <SirFinkus> it might be different in other states though
[02:30:30] <swiss> chromas: no, snowboarding
[02:31:17] <chromas> They need a scoring application for it
[02:31:56] <chromas> Using the gyroscope, it could give you points for tricks and stuff
[02:34:56] <SirFinkus> hundreds of people have already lost power in my area, only a matter of time
[02:36:47] <chromas> our wind slowed down after dark, which is kind of weird. Must be the global warming
[02:40:15] <juggs> HA - seems accountant chum is equally as stymied by the IRS guidance as I was. At this point they're all WTFBBQ Makes No Sense. But then they aren't a US accountant. Still looking at it though - I have hope :D
[02:41:39] <juggs> chromas, everything is global warming or terropeadorists. We need more laws for this stuff to keep us safe.
[02:41:43] <swiss> chromas: it has a gyroscope, and a gps, and it tracks my runs
[02:41:53] <swiss> and my jumps and stuff
[02:43:05] <SirFinkus> I've always found the IRS forms pretty self-explanatory, the trouble is knowing which ones to fill out
[02:43:31] <SirFinkus> that can bite you in the ass later if you accidentally don't file something
[02:43:52] <chromas> swiss: but it needs to generate and track a score from your movements :)
[02:47:29] <swiss> it has developer stuff, so i could
[02:50:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, glad you could entertain them
[02:52:30] <juggs> SirFinkus, take a look at i1120, f1120 and p525, then let me know where you would book something like vps rental or domain reg costs. Rents perhaps? 'Other Deductions' perhaps - as that includes 'Utilities' or 'Supplies used and consumed within the business'. This intangible stuff seems to fit nowhere - but it clearly must do as there are a bajillion web based businesses operating. Shouldn't need a CPA for such basic matters but it feels like shoe-
[02:52:30] <juggs> horning our expenses into some construct from the early 20th century right now.
[02:53:23] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, lost me there - who am I entertaining? sorry, if it's obvious, I'm flitting about
[02:54:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> the accountant friend(s)
[02:54:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> giving them a good laugh at the silly yanks
[02:54:48] <SirFinkus> hmm, I dunno juggs, that's the tough part of all this
[02:55:05] <SirFinkus> when I was doing that kind of stuff, everything was already categorized for me
[02:55:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> feeling rather beerish tonight
[02:56:22] <SirFinkus> if it were me, I'd higher a professional (or consult if you can bum that off someone) for the first year or so, after you see how everything is filed the first year, it should be easy to figure the rest of the stuff out
[02:56:26] <SirFinkus> in the future
[02:57:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> funds are an issue. paying the hosting bills comes before paying an accountant.
[02:57:23] <SirFinkus> I love how every single one of these forums has a "Paperwork Reduction Act Notice"
[02:57:53] <SirFinkus> filing taxes correctly > hosting bills
[02:58:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, fines we can live with. being down for months we can't.
[02:59:19] <SirFinkus> it can really bite you in the ass later on if your recordkeeping is bad
[02:59:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, thankfully the reps are gutting the irs though. prolly won't have time for small potatoes like us.
[02:59:51] <SirFinkus> not saying it is, but taxes are one of those things you really need to get right
[03:01:04] <SirFinkus> they will, a small company (2-3 employees) I was working for got audited rather thoroughly due to some irregularities with the former owner's accounting practices
[03:01:05] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: they could use it against you later on to take down the volcano lair
[03:01:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, that could suck.
[03:01:37] <SirFinkus> ended up needing to pay thousands in fines, which was pretty rough
[03:02:24] <SirFinkus> our margins were razor thin too, it hurt us a lot
[03:02:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> ours you could definitely shave with right now.
[03:03:30] <SirFinkus> I suppose the hosting is essential, but getting the bookkeeping and taxes right should be the very next priority
[03:03:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> right there with ya.
[03:03:47] <SirFinkus> it isn't the kind of thing that is easy to fix after the fact either
[03:03:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[03:04:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> thankfully our shat ain't terribly all over the place yet. few pretty basic expenses and sources of income.
[03:04:30] <SirFinkus> either you're going to be paying a lot more to an accountant to tidy everything up, or put in hours and hours yourself
[03:04:53] <SirFinkus> yeah, once you know which forms to file and stuff, the taxes are probably just a day's work
[03:04:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> my vote is hours and hours since it's mrcoolbp and juggs having to do it =P
[03:05:09] <SirFinkus> don't imagine you'd have to file more than quarterly, could be wrong though
[03:05:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> yearly
[03:06:08] <SirFinkus> oh, you guys have anybody on payroll?
[03:06:20] <juggs> SirFinkus, at this stage we're only annual - we are booking a loss as far as I can figure out without books, so no interim filings required if my reading is correct
[03:06:30] <juggs> SirFinkus, no payroll
[03:06:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp. only a promise of future beer from NC in wages so far.
[03:07:03] <SirFinkus> yeah, payroll taxes for something as small as SN (if there were anybody on payroll) would probably be quarterly
[03:09:12] <SirFinkus> I hope someone has a filing cabinet with hard copies of all this stuff too, that helps a lot
[03:09:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> we'd hafta have about...maybe 4x as many subscribers to even think about tossing out a christmas bonus, much less wages.
[03:09:24] <juggs> One would hope the treasurer does
[03:09:35] <juggs> :D
[03:10:01] <SirFinkus> I'd imagine so, just keep hard copies of everything
[03:10:18] <juggs> mrcoolbp, read that ^^
[03:10:44] <SirFinkus> also watch out for things like company "offices" and such if you want to write those off your own taxes, they really watch that kind of stuff
[03:11:18] <SirFinkus> no half personal / half soylent rooms or assets if you plan on writing any of that off
[03:11:39] <juggs> Yeh, we're trying to keep it simple. I'm not aware of anyone trying to slip through using a spare room onto the business as a deductible expense.
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[03:13:16] <SirFinkus> contractors vs employees is another thing they scrutinize pretty heavily, if you guys ever end up paying anyone
[03:13:26] <juggs> Pretty much it is Subs + Swag In vs. Hosting / Domain / ancillary setup costs out. The balance sheet is another matter which is giving me a pain in the ass right about now.
[03:13:54] <SirFinkus> you using double booking accounting and all that jazz?
[03:16:54] * Konomi yawns
[03:17:00] <Ethanol-fueled> If I buy a Soylent T-shirt, it means there's a Soylent-themed live porn vid coming up.
[03:17:06] <Ethanol-fueled> Just giving you the heads-up.
[03:17:52] <Ethanol-fueled> get the T-shirt and paint a bunch of candy-bars maroon, that should be sufficient.
[03:17:57] <Konomi> much humble weekly very windows no want
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[03:18:23] <SirFinku_> well, there goes the first little outage
[03:18:45] <Ethanol-fueled> Finku, that's gonna hit us tomorrow.
[03:18:47] <Konomi> SirFinku_: are you still deflecting excess moisture from servers or am I thinking of someone else
[03:18:47] <juggs> SirFinku_, yep double accounting. Unsure at this point whether to file on cash or accrual basis.
[03:19:25] <SirFinku_> naw, that was SpallsHurgenson I think
[03:19:29] <SirFinku_> Konomi
[03:19:36] <Konomi> ah okay
[03:20:02] <SirFinku_> ahh, good, sounds like you guys are off to a good start
[03:20:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, silly san franciscians. if the earthquakes and hipsters don't get em, the weather will.
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[03:21:32] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, great, so all of California's freeway traffic can be brought to its knees by assholes who can't drive in the rain.
[03:21:41] <Ethanol-fueled> And there are an awful of of them here.
[03:21:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> couldn't happen to a nicer state
[03:23:11] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, and bring it on. Some people here actually LIKE real weather.
[03:24:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, we get fun ole 75-100mph winds every thunderstorm season. nothin specially scary bout it.
[03:24:41] <Ethanol-fueled> juggs, why's that? You reporting the stockholders' equity?
[03:24:49] <SirFinkus> real weather is fun
[03:25:05] <SirFinkus> windstorms get kind of lame though, thunderstorms are awesome
[03:25:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> send it this way. my lake's nine feet low now.
[03:25:36] <SirFinkus> ice storms are the worst though
[03:25:38] <juggs> Ethanol-fueled, we have no stockholders at this point in time. That's a discussion that's been burbling for months with no resolution.
[03:25:52] <SirFinkus> they're boring as fuck, but disrupt everything
[03:25:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes. yes they are. gimme a good ole hurricane any day over an ice storm.
[03:26:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> same destruction but you don't have to freeze your ass off.
[03:26:14] <Ethanol-fueled> I was being sarcastic, juggs. Unless that 20 bucks I pitched in buys me a few shares, haha.
[03:26:31] <SirFinkus> basically, the "storm" is trees randomly falling down on everything
[03:26:40] * Ethanol-fueled has the accounting texts open and is trying to pretend he knows something
[03:27:02] <Ethanol-fueled> Finkus, that sounds pretty rad
[03:27:09] <Ethanol-fueled> except when power gets knocked out
[03:27:24] <Ethanol-fueled> candlepower++
[03:27:24] <Bender> karma - candlepower: 1
[03:27:38] <SirFinkus> naw, it's exciting for about an hour
[03:28:10] <Ethanol-fueled> Finkus, can your kinfolk at least drive in the rain without jamming up traffic?
[03:28:16] <SirFinkus> yup
[03:28:20] <juggs> Ethanol-fueled, good luck with those accounting texts - learn them by heart, strikes me you'll still need a CPA come filing time.
[03:29:08] <SirFinkus> it's only really trouble the first time it rains and all the oil and shit on the road makes a slick
[03:29:21] <SirFinkus> when it comes to snow though, all bets are off
[03:29:21] <Ethanol-fueled> Yup, juggs. Accounting is actually crazy difficult. More than just adding and subtracing pennies.
[03:30:04] <SirFinkus> if we get a centimeter, people will drive 30 mph down a perfectly clear freeway and still get in accidents
[03:30:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> This is too difficult for a mathematician. It takes a philosopher. -- Einstein on taxes
[03:30:18] <Ethanol-fueled> it does, Buzzard.
[03:30:27] <Ethanol-fueled> And a linguist.
[03:30:36] <juggs> archaic definitions that seem to be based in early industrial period ways of doing things, the accountancy constructs seem to have no concept of intangibles.
[03:31:09] <Ethanol-fueled> The double-ledger system originated in Venice centuries ago, if I'm not mistaken Juggs.
[03:31:12] * juggs constructs mail to treasurer
[03:31:15] <SirFinkus> a lot of time it ends up like those logic puzzles, you know where you make the little chart and eliminate possibilities until you get the answers
[03:31:28] <SirFinkus> when you're looking for descrepancies
[03:31:39] <juggs> Ethanol-fueled, no excuse for the IRS not to expand their categories for deductions
[03:31:50] <SirFinkus> imo, it isn't so much hard, it's just really really easy to fuck up
[03:31:55] <Ethanol-fueled> FInkus, that's how its taught now. It's why here they do it online and you have unlimited chances to check the box and see which fields were right and wrong, then try again.
[03:31:57] <SirFinkus> oh, forgot juggs
[03:32:03] <SirFinkus> look for addendums to the forms
[03:32:43] <SirFinkus> had to find an addendum that had our particular product on the form for our sales taxes
[03:32:46] <Ethanol-fueled> The only limit you have is time, but is is often a process of elimination.
[03:32:49] <juggs> SirFinkus, right, it looks easy, but get it wrong and we're on the hook for far more in penalties than our liability would have been.
[03:33:02] <Ethanol-fueled> It gets even more fucked up when you do taxes and ops management.
[03:33:22] <Ethanol-fueled> accounting +5 underrated.
[03:33:32] <SirFinkus> each individual step is easy, just everything needs to be correct. If you fuck up a calculation early in the process, you're fucked
[03:33:52] <SirFinkus> all high-school math and quadruple checking
[03:34:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> gradeschool math really
[03:34:31] <SirFinkus> yeah, now that I think about it
[03:34:49] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, but Statistics is also so-called "easy math" but it's a completely new way of thinking
[03:35:00] <SirFinkus> knowledge of basic algebra is helpful though
[03:35:17] <SirFinkus> it's deceptively easy looking
[03:35:45] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, it is gradeschool math as you put it - as far as the math goes. It's not the math that is the problem, it is the insane fuckwittery on what gets classified as what.
[03:35:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> exactly. philosopher
[03:35:59] <juggs> That's a regulatory burden
[03:36:21] <SirFinkus> toughest thing for me was keeping up with the changes
[03:36:28] <Ethanol-fueled> College intermediate accounting goes over compount interest, and net present value, and other stuff I'd consider upper-level high school math
[03:36:52] <juggs> SirFinkus, just visit the IRS site for the out of date material
[03:37:05] <SirFinkus> well, the trick is knowing when it's out of date
[03:37:22] <Ethanol-fueled> Don't mess with the IRS.
[03:37:43] <Ethanol-fueled> They'll use any excuse to rob you blind and levy you until you have to perform "acts" to feed yourself.
[03:37:50] <SirFinkus> and sometimes they add new forms and stuff you need to file, but sometimes they don't tell you about them
[03:38:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, you can fuck with em this year. their budget got slashed over a billion bucks n they gotta administer all that obamacare with less money than before.
[03:38:28] <SirFinkus> lol, they go back over previous returns
[03:38:39] <SirFinkus> so if they get more money next year, you're fucked
[03:39:01] <juggs> Thank fuck I'm just an exec
[03:39:14] <Ethanol-fueled> Finkus, last year I got hit for a fuckup I didn't even do. Turns out my preparer forgot to include my second W2's earnings. Welp, bye bye 900 bucks. And they WILL get it, and soon.
[03:39:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, not a debtor
[03:39:36] <Ethanol-fueled> I got hit last year for a 2011-year screw-up
[03:39:46] <SirFinkus> yup, and the best part is that sometimes they get it wrong
[03:39:53] <SirFinkus> and you have to prove that they got it wrong
[03:39:54] <juggs> I'm not signing shit when it comes to official US paperwork - not my place to.
[03:40:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, treasurer signs that if he's the one who fills out the forms.
[03:43:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> believe i'll have that beer n watch some tv now. you lot have fun with the weather n the taxes.
[03:43:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Lata
[03:44:03] <Ethanol-fueled> Gonna ditto the beer part soon./
[03:44:21] <SirFinkus> got some inversion
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[04:08:05] <juggs> inversion SirFinkus? Do you monitor your power supply somehow>
[04:08:08] <juggs> ?
[04:08:14] <SirFinkus> it's an IPA
[04:08:27] <juggs> Indian Pale Ale?
[04:09:04] <SirFinkus> yes
[04:10:03] <juggs> Oh - I thought you were monitoring AC waveforms or something
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[04:44:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mark Zuckerberg Shares the Secret of His Success - http://sylnt.us - super-poke
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[04:53:18] <chromas> I remember super poke pets
[04:59:08] <mrcoolbp> SirFinkus: hi, looks like I missed the financial fun
[04:59:19] <SirFinkus> hehe, "fun"
[04:59:23] <mrcoolbp> SirFinkus: it appears you have experience in this area?
[04:59:30] <SirFinkus> a little
[05:00:45] <SirFinkus> I did the day to day stuff for a small company a while back, payroll, keeping track of income and expenses, filing taxes
[05:00:50] <SirFinkus> had a lot of help though
[05:01:31] <mrcoolbp> Okay, so I've been trying to learn this stuff but I'm in a bit over my head here, I know getting an accountant to sort it out for us will be expensive, but our books are pretty straight forward, I really just need help setting things up and learning the workflow, the actual entries I'm sure I could do, that part makes sense, but QB is so "powerful" it's not obvious how best to use it (at least
[05:01:31] <mrcoolbp> to me)
[05:01:50] <mrcoolbp> I'm curious as to what you would reccomend
[05:02:27] <SirFinkus> the version of quickbooks I was using was quite old, but it was pretty easy to use once everything was set up
[05:02:38] <mrcoolbp> yeah that's my point = )
[05:03:15] <SirFinkus> it's been a while, did you have any specific questions?
[05:03:56] <SirFinkus> I'd typically just enter invoices and checks I've written manually
[05:04:55] <SirFinkus> I never had it tied into any payment providers or anything, it was all trips to the bank and saving receipts
[05:05:32] <mrcoolbp> yeah, that's the part that I'm comfortable with, the issues I ran into were trying to setup "accounts" and "vendors" and the difference. It's starting to look like we are going to account for incorp. costs as a loan now and I'm not sure how exactly I'd do that
[05:07:19] <mrcoolbp> SirFinkus, could you PM me your email? Then I can pester you at my leisure. You can of course tell me to piss off to your discretion.
[05:07:45] <SirFinkus> yeah, 1 sec, just warning you, I'm hardly an expert
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[05:08:34] <mrcoolbp> SirFinkus: thanks, I understand sir.
[05:08:39] <mrcoolbp> rcvd
[05:09:13] <SirFinkus> we only had one loan, but it was a weird state one that was paid for via surcharges on our bills
[05:09:44] <SirFinkus> I'm trying to remember how we set that up, it's been several years
[05:09:57] <SirFinkus> which version are you using?
[05:10:13] <SirFinkus> I think we were on 2k4
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[05:11:01] <mrcoolbp> wb Subsentient
[05:11:20] <mrcoolbp> SirFinkus: we have the latest version
[05:11:35] <mrcoolbp> it's a beast
[05:12:10] <SirFinkus> yeah, it can sometimes be a bit of a pita to use, gotta know how to poke it correctly
[05:16:36] <SirFinkus> uhng, looked at the site, and it looks like the interface has completely changed
[05:17:28] <SirFinkus> "bank level security"
[05:17:34] * SirFinkus snorts
[05:19:01] <mrcoolbp> SirFinkus: thanks for offering us what wisdom you had to impart
[05:19:14] <SirFinkus> glad to help if I can
[05:20:11] <Subsentient> YAYYYY I think I got NEXUSworking
[05:20:21] <mrcoolbp> whoa for real?
[05:20:29] <mrcoolbp> I didn't think we had that going yet
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[05:24:16] <chromas> mrcoolbp: it's an irc project he's working on
[05:24:46] <mrcoolbp> oh, lol, we are working on SN "Nexuses"
[05:24:59] <SirFinkus> for our weird loan, we had it set up as a normal bill and we just paid the balance on it as money came in. The terms of the loan didn't really specify how much we should pay each month, just that we had to give them all the surcharge money. There has to be a better way to do it for "normal" loans though
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[05:25:39] <Subsentient> $tell TheMightyBuzzard I got NEXUS working! Need to do some more work before ready for real public stuff, but it works!
[05:25:39] <aqu4> I'll tell them in a PM next time I see 'em.
[05:25:59] <SirFinkus> "irc project" is rather vague
[05:26:26] <chromas> I figured Subsentient would want to describe it
[05:26:45] <Subsentient> ahh ok then.
[05:27:09] <Subsentient> NEXUS, as its name might imply, is a BNC for IRC with a special purpose: to merge multiple connected clients into one nickname.
[05:27:18] <SirFinkus> ahh, neat
[05:28:04] <Subsentient> Yeah, it'll be pretty sick when its done. So I can have multiple simultaniously connected clients under one nickname
[05:28:11] <Subsentient> it will support scrollback when done too.
[05:28:32] <chromas> Subsentient: that would be good for aqu4 too. You can connect the new one then drop the older one
[05:28:37] <SirFinkus> neat
[05:28:44] <Subsentient> chromas: I might do that.
[05:28:54] <Subsentient> Some of NEXUS's code is derived from aqu4's
[05:30:52] <SirFinkus> ~weather
[05:30:53] <exec> Weather for Olympia, WA, USA - currently 50°F / 10°C, overcast, wind W at 3 mph, humidity 75% - Thursday rain (45°F-59°F / 7°C-15°C), Friday chance of showers (37°F-54°F / 3°C-12°C), Saturday partly cloudy (36°F-48°F / 2°C-9°C), Sunday mostly cloudy (34°F-46°F / 1°C-8°C) - source: Google
[05:31:01] <SirFinkus> lol, still out of date
[05:31:14] <Subsentient> https://github.com
[05:31:14] <chromas> How's the wind?
[05:31:14] <NetCraft> ^ 03Subsentient/nexus · GitHub
[05:31:23] <Subsentient> ~weather
[05:31:24] <exec> Weather for Phoenix, AZ - currently 63°F / 17°C, mostly cloudy, wind E at 5 mph, humidity 63% - Thursday partly cloudy (54°F-75°F / 12°C-24°C), Friday chance of showers (55°F-77°F / 13°C-25°C), Saturday chance of storm (46°F-66°F / 8°C-19°C), Sunday partly cloudy (45°F-63°F / 7°C-17°C) - source: Google
[05:31:42] <SirFinkus> still pretty bad, haven't had any power issues for a while though
[05:33:31] <SirFinkus> sustained 56, gusts of 87
[05:33:35] <chromas> how do I build, Subsentient?
[05:33:47] <chromas> is there an order to compile them?
[05:33:52] <Subsentient> nahh
[05:33:56] <Subsentient> just gcc -std=gnu99
[05:34:02] <Subsentient> then link em together
[05:34:04] <Subsentient> no special libs
[05:34:15] <chromas> I get tons of undefined refs
[05:34:22] <chromas> Net_Read etc
[05:34:29] <Subsentient> ok here
[05:34:31] <Subsentient> sec
[05:34:48] <Subsentient> Here's what I use for development:
[05:34:50] <Subsentient> gcc -std=gnu99 -pedantic -Wall -g3 -O0 config.c irc.c netcore.c nexus.c server.c -o ../NEXUS
[05:34:54] <Subsentient> then ../NEXUS to execute
[05:35:21] <Subsentient> chromas:
[05:35:22] <chromas> ah I see, put them all on one line
[05:35:33] <Subsentient> you can use gcc -c to build individual objects.
[05:35:45] <Subsentient> gcc without -c assumes you want to make an executable
[05:35:51] <Subsentient> and then yeah it wants the references defined
[05:37:00] <chromas> is there a reference config or is it simple enough to peek into the src to find what it needs?
[05:37:42] <Subsentient> Generally all that's needed at the moment is IRC.Nick=whatever, IRC.Ident=Whatever, IRC.RealName=whatever, IRC.Server=whatever, and IRC.Port=Whatever
[05:37:52] <Subsentient> the NEXUS.whatevers have defaults
[05:37:58] <Subsentient> so you don't need to define those.
[05:43:53] <Subsentient> chromas: git pull. Fixed server ping timeouts.
[05:45:23] <chromas> I need to change the listening port too
[05:52:18] <Subsentient> chromas: NEXUS.Port=whatever
[05:52:45] <chromas> ah. I just changed the value and recompiled :D
[05:52:59] <chromas> but apparently my local ircd is listening on all the standard ports
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[05:55:58] <chromasctl> test
[05:56:15] <chromas> okay, I'm on from two clients but the second one won't let me join this channel
[05:56:44] <chromas> I guess because it's waiting for a join message from the server
[05:57:04] <chromas> once they're both on though, they'll both join
[06:03:21] <chromasctl> Things like join don't count until the server says so. You just might have to simulate a bit more ircd.
[06:11:40] <Subsentient> chromas: Already created state,c and state.h to monitor stuff like that.
[06:11:47] <Subsentient> chromas: I know, there's a lot of more work to be done.
[06:13:35] <chromas> Subsentient: it's pretty cool so far though
[06:13:41] <Subsentient> chromas: I know right?
[06:13:42] <chromas> Subsentient++ # NEXUS
[06:13:42] <Bender> karma - subsentient: 18
[06:14:02] <Subsentient> Soon when it keeps track of channels, it'll have basic USABLE functionality.
[06:14:05] <Subsentient> Writing that code now.
[06:14:16] <chromas> Can you jack that from aqu4?
[06:14:31] <chromas> In fact, all of its irc-related state tracking :D
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[06:44:11] * SpallsHurgenson wakes from his nap, raring with energy and ready to go to sleep
[06:45:53] <chromas> How're the water barrels?
[06:45:58] <chromas> They turn to wine yet?
[06:47:24] <SpallsHurgenson> well, the water is stopped. Had fun with insurance adjustors and emergency remiadiation guys and plumbers and the neighbor upstairs. was a hell of a day :)
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[06:49:25] <chromas> Sounds terrible. I never talk to my neighbors
[06:50:20] <ar> hm
[06:50:45] * ar has a cakeday
[06:50:52] <SpallsHurgenson> neither do I. talking to people is almost as bad as going out into the big blue room :) :) :)
[06:51:04] <SpallsHurgenson> mmmm, cake. I could go with cake. what sort of cake?
[06:51:05] <chromas> way, way worse
[06:51:09] <chromas> cake++
[06:51:09] <Bender> karma - cake: 3
[06:51:12] <chromas> the cake is a pie
[06:51:31] <SpallsHurgenson> that is clever, especially since I like pie too.
[06:51:33] <ar> i'll probably buy myself some cheesecake on the way back from work
[06:52:08] <chromas> how much candlepower should it have?
[06:52:09] <ciri> doing great here
[06:52:32] <SpallsHurgenson> black forest cake... topped with warm apple pie :)
[06:53:02] <ar> hm
[06:53:28] * chromas makes a systemd cake to mail to ar
[06:54:10] <ar> 27 i guess. i was born in 1987
[06:54:50] <SpallsHurgenson> argh, stop making me feel old
[06:56:06] * SpallsHurgenson changes ar's birthday back at least ten years. Congratulations, you were now born in '77!
[06:59:19] <crutchy> Subsentient, will nexus allow xchat to connect to it?
[06:59:41] <crutchy> or irssi or hexchat or whatver clieent
[06:59:48] <chromasctl> crutchy: I'm using hexchat and konversation at the same rime right now
[06:59:54] <chromasctl> on nexus
[06:59:58] <crutchy> sweet
[07:00:08] <Subsentient> crutchy: it already does
[07:00:21] <crutchy> so its sort of like a server. or redirector. or something like that
[07:01:02] <chromasctl> soon, Subsentient will integrate it into epoch
[07:01:04] <chromasctl> and aqu4 too
[07:01:21] <Subsentient> you configure it to connect to whatever real server, then it fires up its own pseudo-server for IRC and your clients connect to that and NEXUS edits the incoming messages and whatnot so that it can all be one nick.
[07:01:33] <chromasctl> and bricktick
[07:01:39] <crutchy> chromasctl, do you have to connect with hexchat and konv with different nicknames that then get squishded into one, or does it allow connection with same nick on both clients?
[07:01:48] <Subsentient> same nick
[07:01:55] <crutchy> sweet
[07:02:14] <Subsentient> in fact it'll instruct your client to change to the one-nick-to-rule-them-all on connect.
[07:02:26] <SpallsHurgenson> I remain opposed to anything that makes it easier to chat on IRC.
[07:02:38] <crutchy> i started working on an ircd but i haven't even got to the point where i can join a channel in xchat yet :p
[07:03:09] <Subsentient> SpallsHurgenson: It won't be any easier for noobs, but for pros who constantly have IRC open, it's a blessing
[07:03:50] <chromas> crutchy: once it tracks the channels your in, I can toss it in front of monopory so I can restart it all I want
[07:03:54] <crutchy> maybe we need a nexus set up on SN server that we can all connect to :D
[07:04:01] <Subsentient> lol
[07:04:03] <SpallsHurgenson> nope, not seeing the upside. IRC already sucks away enough of our lives :) :) :)
[07:04:20] <chromas> never enough
[07:04:35] <crutchy> who needs diffrent nicks. we should all be chatting as poutine :D
[07:05:24] <SpallsHurgenson> chips cheese and gravy... only a CANADIAN could invent something like that
[07:05:50] <crutchy> i'm having meat pies and seasoned fish for dinner
[07:06:01] <crutchy> with salt n vinegar chips while i wait :/
[07:06:14] * SpallsHurgenson glares, "Pies should not have meat in them!"
[07:06:24] <crutchy> oh they do in straya
[07:07:05] <crutchy> dinner: http://www.sargents.com.au
[07:07:06] <SpallsHurgenson> no wonder we put you people all the way down there :)
[07:07:32] <crutchy> we also put onion, veggies, bacon, cheese, curry, etc in pies
[07:07:37] <SpallsHurgenson> beef? looks a lot like dingo meat in there to me
[07:07:40] <crutchy> lol
[07:07:41] <ciri> heh
[07:07:46] <crutchy> prolly is :D
[07:08:09] <chromas> that's what makes it Australian Angus
[07:08:19] <crutchy> umm... the label
[07:08:33] <crutchy> oh woops not a question'
[07:08:41] <chromas> Australian Angus is dingo meat
[07:08:50] <crutchy> sorry i just got home from work on a friday so im still retarded
[07:09:01] * SpallsHurgenson scrapes off the "g" from the product name
[07:09:25] <crutchy> mmmm anus pie
[07:09:42] <chromas> Anus dino pie
[07:10:03] <crutchy> it was payback for eating the baby
[07:10:03] <SpallsHurgenson> "Aussie Anus Beef Pies" brings to mind something completely different
[07:10:15] <chromas> Scrape not just one g spot but all the g spots
[07:10:37] <crutchy> g spot pie is something i'd buy
[07:10:38] <SpallsHurgenson> won't work; we're men - we'd never find it :)
[07:10:56] <crutchy> but we do enjoy looking :D
[07:11:09] <crutchy> the longer it takes to find the better
[07:11:53] * SpallsHurgenson looks for thirty seconds then needs a nap :)
[07:21:06] <Konomi> SpallsHurgenson: how are your servers well watered now?
[07:21:30] <SpallsHurgenson> they escaped unscathed fortunately, thank you.
[07:22:43] <SpallsHurgenson> tomorrow will have a bunch of burly contruction men banging at the walls and ceiling with mallets just a few feet away from them, so I think I'll keep it shut down so the hard-drives don't go all woobly every time they swing their hammers :)
[07:23:00] <Konomi> remember not to yell at the servers
[07:23:04] <crutchy> ~submit http://www.techtimes.com
[07:23:06] <Konomi> they don't like that
[07:23:07] * ar gives Konomi cake
[07:23:13] * Konomi sniffs it
[07:23:15] * Konomi noms
[07:23:18] <ar> :)
[07:23:26] <Konomi> checking for poisons \o/
[07:23:34] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[07:23:36] <SpallsHurgenson> I want a roomba
[07:24:03] <SpallsHurgenson> not for cleaning the floor - my place is too small and cluttered for it to be effective - but as something for kitty to play with :)
[07:24:24] <ar> I have a roomba. It sucks most of the fur cat leaves behind
[07:24:55] <SpallsHurgenson> except kitty is terrified of everything that isn't her, so I'm pretty sure it would end up a waste of money :)
[07:25:05] <ar> cat itself is not amused by it roaming around and tends to run away or stay on high places
[07:26:25] <Konomi> they know roombas are really aliens getting in place to invade
[07:26:32] <SpallsHurgenson> kitty is terrified of the big vacuum but has no problem with my using a hand-vac three inches away from her face. kitties are weird.
[07:27:47] <crutchy> apparently some kitties say 'MOW'
[07:27:51] <SpallsHurgenson> programmable non-vacuuming roomba :) http://www.techtimes.com
[07:27:52] <NetCraft> ^ 03iRobot More Than a Floor Cleaner, it Could Be a Hacker's Dream Machine : FUTURE TECH : Tech Times
[07:28:00] <ar> crutchy: "miał"
[07:28:09] <ar> crutchy: or "miau"
[07:28:40] <SpallsHurgenson> my kitty says, "where da hell da food, hooman?"
[07:29:54] <SpallsHurgenson> in retrospect, I never should have given her a kitty-to-English translator
[07:30:58] <crutchy> prolly lucky i don't have a guineapig-to-english translator. i'd hear things like 'hmm i feel like taking a dump in my food'
[07:33:59] <SpallsHurgenson> so THAT'S where politican brains come from
[07:35:06] <ar> Have you seen MIB? There was that tiny little alien race that used human-sized robots
[07:35:18] <ar> and they did pretend to be human
[07:35:36] <SpallsHurgenson> good god... surely you are not implying... guinea pigs in human-suits?
[07:35:44] <SpallsHurgenson> suddenly the entirity of human history becomes clear!
[07:36:32] <crutchy> ~submit http://gadgets.ndtv.com
[07:37:06] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[07:39:15] <SpallsHurgenson> and at $365K that means another computer that will never be used, or examined or do anything other than collect dust. what a waste of hardware
[07:41:28] <crutchy> how the fornication did australia get a higher web index than germany, canada and japan!?
[07:41:28] <ciri> you talking to me?
[07:41:32] <crutchy> http://thewebindex.org
[07:41:32] <NetCraft> ^ 03Data | The Web Index
[07:41:58] <Konomi> abbott broke 500k of lies
[07:42:00] <Konomi> likes*
[07:42:04] <Konomi> same thing I guess in his case
[07:42:29] <Konomi> this site looks like arse
[07:42:39] <crutchy> abbott, gillard, kevin '07... they all suck balls
[07:42:47] <crutchy> politicians--
[07:42:47] <Bender> karma - politicians: -6
[07:43:11] <crutchy> that's why i vote for nobody
[07:43:12] <Konomi> where is the web menu
[07:43:13] <ciri> not sure Konomi
[07:43:17] <Konomi> and this seems based off of subject
[07:44:24] <Konomi> ciri-- # shini aho bot
[07:44:24] <Bender> karma - ciri: -29
[07:45:38] <crutchy> mm
[07:45:49] <crutchy> fuckin meat pie with dead horse
[07:46:12] <Konomi> http://www.netindex.com
[07:46:13] <NetCraft> ^ 03Global Download Speed | Net Index from Ookla
[07:46:17] <Konomi> australia still shit for internet
[07:47:09] <crutchy> i think the one above includes more than just speed, but yeah i dunno how we ranked as high as we did
[07:47:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - During Bad Times, Male Fetuses Miscarry More Often than Female Fetuses - http://sylnt.us - weaker-sex
[07:47:25] <Konomi> it seemed mostly based on what people can search
[07:47:25] <ar> one of the reasons i wouldn't really want to move to australia. that, and the fact that all living things there can kill you
[07:47:29] <Konomi> not internet quality or speed
[07:47:40] <Konomi> ar: and our net is shit
[07:47:51] <ar> oh, and temperatures.
[07:48:03] <SpallsHurgenson> and meat pies
[07:48:21] <crutchy> tbh i'm pretty happy with my net
[07:48:23] <ar> i wouldn't mind meat pies
[07:48:51] * SpallsHurgenson banishes ar to Ozzieland, "Heretic!"
[07:48:59] <ar> but here in poland you can get 250mbit dl/20mbit ul for ~95pln
[07:49:14] <ar> (that's ~35aud)
[07:49:16] <Konomi> I'm pretty happy with my net
[07:49:23] <Konomi> our internet still blows on average though
[07:49:37] <crutchy> what do you do with 250mbit though?
[07:49:48] <ar> crutchy: stuff
[07:49:49] <Konomi> whatever. you. want.
[07:49:58] <crutchy> pretty vague
[07:50:11] <SpallsHurgenson> what's the good of a 100mbit internet connection in Ozzieland when the entire continent is connected to the rest of the world by a 28,8k modem? :)
[07:50:19] <crutchy> i can do stuff with 12mbps
[07:50:28] <crutchy> dont need 250 for that
[07:51:35] <crutchy> lol @ SpallsHurgenson
[07:51:36] <ciri> HEY! don't laugh at me
[07:52:09] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean sure, you get wicked speeds to HelpIveBeenBittenBySomethingPoisonous.ozzie but whenever you try to reach the rest of the world you're better off using smoke signals :)
[07:52:11] <crutchy> we get superfast wiggles and croc dundee
[07:52:38] <SpallsHurgenson> there needs to be a TLD called .ozzie
[07:53:26] <crutchy> and .dogfart
[07:53:54] <crutchy> is there a .irc tld?
[07:54:28] <ar> there's a .cat tld
[07:54:41] <ar> and it was there before all that gtld stuff happened
[07:54:45] <SpallsHurgenson> yes, youtube.com :)
[07:55:04] <crutchy> ooh. irc.com is for sale
[07:55:16] <ar> Created On: 2011-04-25 16:09:41 GMT
[07:55:20] <ar> (is-a.cat)
[07:55:59] <crutchy> http://is-a.cat
[07:55:59] <NetCraft> ^ 03410 Gone
[07:56:26] <crutchy> kitty's hiding
[07:58:58] * SpallsHurgenson suddenly feels paranoid, "What if /I/ am a guinea-pig in a human suit?"
[07:59:14] * Konomi starts looking for the zipper
[08:00:16] <SpallsHurgenson> !grab Konomi
[08:00:16] <Bender> Added quote 298
[08:00:22] <Konomi> ._.
[08:00:26] <Konomi> so mean
[08:00:29] <SpallsHurgenson> :)
[08:00:39] <SpallsHurgenson> I was really surprised by the lack of a "nograb" there :)
[08:00:47] <SpallsHurgenson> just had do it :)
[08:00:51] <Konomi> well I don't have a perverted mind like some x.x
[08:00:58] <ar> haha
[08:01:00] * SpallsHurgenson is an old, naughty man
[08:01:11] <crutchy> Konomi, you do too
[08:01:24] <Konomi> it's not 24/7 ;p
[08:02:25] <crutchy> konomi could be a dirty old man too
[08:02:38] <SpallsHurgenson> well, "she" is on IRC :)
[08:02:38] <Konomi> crutchy likes dirty old men
[08:03:12] <crutchy> shh don't tell the others. they'll be jealous of us
[08:03:15] <SpallsHurgenson> IRC... where the men are men, the women are men, and the 12-year old girls are undercover FBI agents :)
[08:03:18] <Konomi> eww ;p
[08:03:58] <crutchy> fbi agents are the creepiest old men of all
[08:04:11] <crutchy> but oh so hot :p
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[08:09:26] <crutchy> https://github.com
[08:09:27] <NetCraft> ^ 03Tidied up the PAM module. · d0b7f4d · dimkr/LoginKit · GitHub
[08:14:23] <crutchy> ~submit http://rt.com
[08:14:28] <exec> error: title not found or empty
[08:37:58] <chromas> we just need to make our rc aircraft shinier
[08:45:54] <chromasctl> Watching nexus in the terminal reminds me, irc clients like to occasionally who the channel for some reason. Maybe they think people will disappear without notice
[08:46:48] <chromasctl> that could be something else to filter, Subsentient. Multiple clients would take turns whoing
[08:48:19] <Subsentient> Yes, perhaps.
[08:49:21] <ar> chromasctl: not occasionally
[08:49:36] <ar> chromasctl: irc clients do that on join, to sync with the channel
[08:51:54] <chromas> the server automatically sends the list of users on join but some clients actually do a who every few minutes
[08:52:20] <crutchy> http://rt.com
[08:52:21] <NetCraft> ^ 03Russians can now carry guns for ‘self-defense’ — RT News
[08:52:37] <chromas> those american dogs!
[08:53:27] <crutchy> everyone in russia has guns for 'other purposes' already so the gun lobby over there is looking for new sales avenues :p
[08:55:44] <chromas> All we have to do is say "Obammur's gonna take away are guns" and sales go up
[08:56:46] <chromas> one thing who does is tell you who's /away (which almost nobody uses anyhow)
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[09:34:01] <crutchy> looks like numeric 301 in whois response indicates away
[09:34:55] <crutchy> and G in who response (numeric 354)
[09:37:50] <crutchy> latter is what xchat uses
[09:49:49] <Konomi> 301 can take two forms
[09:50:43] <crutchy> does it depend on whether server is rfc or ts?
[09:51:10] * crutchy isn't intimately familiar with the protocols
[09:51:24] <Konomi> https://www.alien.net.au
[09:51:27] <NetCraft> ^ 03IRC/2 Numeric List
[09:51:29] <Konomi> use that as a guide
[09:51:45] <Konomi> a lot of stuff is specific to ircd implementations and not rfcs
[09:51:58] <crutchy> ah yeah i seen that one. good page
[09:52:16] <crutchy> http://www.mircscripts.org was handy too
[09:52:42] <crutchy> though it was pretty easy to tell what was going on from xchat's raw log
[09:54:28] <ar> nice forkbomb (don't say i didn't warn you): echo "I<RA('1E<W3t`p&r()(pwND&r{,3Rl7Ig}&r{,T31wo});r`26<F]F;=="
[09:55:38] <crutchy> is that bash?
[09:55:54] <crutchy> not that i'm gunna run it anyway
[09:56:11] <ar> it works in bash and zsh
[09:56:53] <crutchy> how does an echo'd string do anything else besides echo? that would seem pretty dodgy
[09:56:55] <ciri> not sure
[09:57:41] <crutchy> i have nfi how bash works though. shell programming is weird
[09:57:54] <ar> `p&r()(pwND&r{,3Rl7Ig}&r{,T31wo});r`
[09:58:01] <ar> that part
[09:58:10] <ar> notice the backticks
[09:58:17] <crutchy> so the backtick breaks out of the string somehow?
[09:58:55] <ar> backticks get evaluated inside ""
[09:59:21] <crutchy> wow. that is dodgy
[09:59:53] <crutchy> hmm. wonder if exec could be abused with that
[09:59:53] <Konomi> why would anyone run that junk?
[10:00:31] <crutchy> ~say blah`echo fart`
[10:00:32] <exec> blah`echo fart`
[10:00:40] <ar> crutchy: echo "`dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1 count=4`"
[10:01:00] <crutchy> ima not using dd for anything
[10:01:01] <Konomi> you missed the of
[10:01:30] <crutchy> ~say `ps`
[10:01:31] <exec> `ps`
[10:01:57] <crutchy> hmm so its gotta be in an echo statement i gues
[10:01:58] <Konomi> your bot is in php why would backticks be an issue ;p
[10:02:09] <crutchy> cos it executes shell commands
[10:02:25] <crutchy> hence the nick :p
[10:02:36] <Konomi> ~say echo "la"; echo "ta"
[10:03:40] <crutchy> every time you say something there are about 3 or 4 shell commands executed
[10:04:21] <crutchy> http://paste.ofcode.org
[10:04:22] <NetCraft> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[10:04:33] <crutchy> that's what i see
[10:04:53] <crutchy> all the lines prefixed with EXEC: indicate shell commands that are executed
[10:05:43] <Konomi> they're all hard quoted so it matters not to bash
[10:06:05] <crutchy> does that mean ` doesn't do anything?
[10:07:01] <Konomi> everything does nothing in hard quotes beside another hard quote
[10:07:10] <crutchy> ah
[10:07:27] <Konomi> 'I will never evaluted anything in this unless you misplace a hard quote'
[10:07:31] <crutchy> so back tick only worked in ar's fork bomb cos it used double-quotes?
[10:07:39] <Konomi> yep
[10:07:45] <crutchy> phew
[10:07:49] <crutchy> :)
[10:08:11] <Konomi> I don't even see anything that is special about it besides being more complex than a usual fork bomb
[10:08:42] <crutchy> maybe harder to see the back ticks
[10:09:10] <crutchy> (not assuming it would be effective but that might have beeen the aim)
[10:09:14] <Konomi> the bash fork bomb is extremely simple
[10:09:21] <Konomi> :(){ :|:& };:
[10:09:23] <Konomi> that's it
[10:09:50] <crutchy> wow. shell scripting is weird
[10:10:05] <Konomi> fork() { fork | fork & }; fork
[10:10:07] <Konomi> elaborated
[10:10:33] <crutchy> so the : is just an identifier
[10:10:39] <ar> fork() ( fork & fork ) also works
[10:10:44] <ar> crutchy: yes
[10:11:02] <Konomi> shell scripting isn't "weird"
[10:11:14] <Konomi> it just looks weird cause they used : for the function name
[10:11:14] <crutchy> yep. it is :p
[10:11:51] <crutchy> like perl
[10:11:58] <crutchy> perl is weird too
[10:12:07] <Konomi> says the person who uses php
[10:12:15] <crutchy> any language i don't know is weird ;p
[10:12:24] <Konomi> explains a lot ~
[10:12:25] <crutchy> php is kids play
[10:12:53] <Konomi> nothing is kids play
[10:13:05] <crutchy> comparatively
[10:13:27] <crutchy> or figuratively even
[10:21:24] <ar> ruby is nice
[10:21:30] <ar> common lisp seems nice
[10:22:15] <crutchy> i still prefer pascal. the only reason why i started with php was ubiquity
[10:22:28] <ar> pascal is ewwww
[10:22:52] <crutchy> i like strong typed languages
[10:23:06] <crutchy> php is arse for that
[10:23:20] <crutchy> but meh. its webby
[10:25:48] <ar> calling languages that give you arbitrary memory access through pointers "strong typed" is like closing your eyes and saying that noone can see you now
[10:27:04] <crutchy> makes debugging easier cos the compiler finds your fuckups for you :)
[10:31:15] <crutchy> when i make a function in php that expects a number, i really have nfi what i'm gunna get cos there is no type
[10:32:41] <crutchy> so i gotta include stupid checks to make sure it is a number
[10:38:55] <crutchy> whilst you can use generic pointers in delphi, its not common and by default the ccompiler throws warnings at you
[10:39:53] <crutchy> if you need generic pointers in pascal, there's a good chance you're doing it wrong
[10:41:09] <ar> and what if you want to implement a sorting function for array of whatever contents?
[10:41:45] <crutchy> what do you mean 'whatever contents'?
[10:43:01] <ar> king of like man 3 qsort
[10:43:21] <crutchy> depends how you want to sort them
[10:43:38] <crutchy> prolly string would be best
[10:45:22] <crutchy> pretty hard to sort things of varying type
[10:45:37] <crutchy> you have to make them consistent somehow for comparison
[10:45:56] <crutchy> either by type consistency, typecasting or conversion
[10:49:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Geography of Plagiarism - http://sylnt.us - totally-not-my-house
[10:55:45] <crutchy> typed pointers are awesome. i use them a lot for pointers to records. delphi also uses implicit pointers to objects, but these are all still typed
[10:55:52] <crutchy> ++coffee
[10:55:52] <NetCraft> Karma - coffee: 193
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[11:19:30] <SirFinkus> anyone else think that they should breed turkeys smaller so the skin to meat ratio is higher?
[11:19:42] <SirFinkus> turkey_skin++
[11:19:42] <Bender> karma - turkey_skin: 1
[11:20:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:20:26] <Bender> karma - coffee: 900
[11:22:13] <SirFinkus> coffee--
[11:22:13] <Bender> karma - tea: 315
[11:22:24] <SirFinkus> you motherfucker
[11:22:31] * TheMightyBuzzard cackles
[11:22:40] <SirFinkus> results are invalid, the voting is rigged
[11:23:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i just got rid of the Troll mod.
[11:23:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> definitely been helping tea out though
[11:32:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> back directly, reboot for new kernel
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[11:44:01] <crutchy> i dunno whether you could call karma a vote anyway. ballot stuffing maybe
[11:45:05] <crutchy> botctl: fart
[11:49:12] <crutchy> c[_]++
[11:49:48] <SirFinkus> it's a rigged system, I refuse to participate
[11:50:12] <crutchy> aww. tea will suffer
[11:51:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, welcome to voting of any kind since forever
[11:51:34] <crutchy> coffee++ # will keep rising till ▤8כ−◦ has a brain fart
[11:51:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 901
[11:52:29] <SirFinkus> is that a phallus withe the pubes shaved into a hitler mustache ejaculating, or urinating into a hole?
[11:52:50] <crutchy> gosh i guess it could be
[11:52:51] <SirFinkus> wow, that question was ambigious
[11:53:14] <crutchy> dammit i shoulda grabbed that
[11:53:26] <SirFinkus> that's what she said!
[11:53:32] <SirFinkus> a-yooo!
[11:53:54] <crutchy> zingooooo!
[11:54:10] <crutchy> http://1lineart.kulaone.com
[11:54:10] <NetCraft> ^ 031 Line Art | ASCII art in one line
[11:54:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> smooth, gawker's lost millions in ad revenue from #GamerGate already
[11:54:44] <SirFinkus> "boom box" is the shittiest thing I've seen since "fish swimming"
[11:55:12] <crutchy> ( ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )++
[11:55:19] <crutchy> umadbro++
[11:55:19] <Bender> karma - umadbro: 1
[11:56:01] <SirFinkus> ╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮
[11:56:15] <crutchy> Konomi needs this in her shortcuts; (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
[11:56:28] <SirFinkus> guitar is also terrible
[11:56:39] <SirFinkus> c====(=#O| ) ~~ ♬·¯·♩¸¸♪·¯·♫¸
[11:56:59] <crutchy> looks like a penis ...with breasts
[11:57:37] <SirFinkus> am I supposed to be impressed with snowman? it's literally a unicode snowman ☃
[11:57:58] <crutchy> there's an airplane too :p
[11:58:39] <crutchy> !woop
[11:58:39] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[11:58:41] <SirFinkus> ›(̠̄:̠̄c ›(̠̄:̠̄c (¦Ҝ (¦Ҝ ҉ - - - ¦̺͆¦ ▪▌
[11:59:04] <crutchy> you got me
[11:59:09] <SirFinkus> that's "fish invasion"
[11:59:16] <crutchy> riiiiiight
[11:59:25] <Konomi> sometimes I wonder what drugs you all are on
[11:59:38] <Konomi> http://ncase.me
[11:59:39] <NetCraft> ^ 03 ( /polygons/ )
[11:59:42] <crutchy> that's easy... caffeine :p
[11:59:46] <SirFinkus> why? you selling?
[11:59:57] <Konomi> I've probably had more standard caffeine doses than all of you
[12:00:07] <SirFinkus> ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ oh fuck, this one is amazing
[12:00:16] <SirFinkus> site redeemed
[12:02:16] <SirFinkus> ><> this fish doubles as valid brainfuck
[12:02:40] <crutchy> that shapes game requires more than caffeine to play
[12:03:16] <crutchy> SirFinkus, that first fish looks like it has its own tow cable
[12:03:30] <crutchy> its a materfish
[12:04:30] <Konomi> I'll be interested to see who can comprehend it ;p
[12:04:33] <Konomi> took me about 5 minutes
[12:06:26] <SirFinkus> took me 5 seconds to see skim the first part of the instructions and decide I've been awake far too long for anything more complex than shitty ASCII art
[12:07:04] <Konomi> ;p
[12:10:24] <crutchy> the sandbox is fun
[12:10:28] <crutchy> i like boxes
[12:10:57] <crutchy> i just read the bold captions at the top of each activity
[12:12:17] <crutchy> i got the friendship box thing pretty quick
[12:16:16] <Konomi> https://i.imgur.com
[12:16:23] <Konomi> makes me wonder how snags on cords are avoided
[12:16:45] <Konomi> that's the ISS for the record
[12:17:19] <crutchy> not being full of drunk retards prolly helps
[12:18:33] <crutchy> its not much different to any industrial plant
[12:18:56] <SirFinkus> probably more organized than it looks
[12:20:07] <crutchy> i was under a paper machine today. extremely complicated plant but i was only inspecting something and i was careful not to touch anything. i was also supervised
[12:20:26] <Konomi> you don't have close to zero g in industrial plants though
[12:20:42] <crutchy> true. but they would train for it
[12:20:54] <crutchy> you also don't have extreme heat in the ISS
[12:21:04] <crutchy> like industrial plants
[12:21:10] <Konomi> don't get snagged on cable lesson 5 go
[12:21:17] <crutchy> lol
[12:21:17] <ciri> i missed it, what are you laughing at? >.>
[12:21:28] <crutchy> seems dumb, but OHS is kinda like that sometimes
[12:21:56] <crutchy> its dumb until someone gets hurt or causes huge damage
[12:21:59] <SirFinkus> that scenario doesn't look half bad though, the "bottom" wall clearly has lots of handholds and is relatively clear
[12:22:15] <Konomi> wonder if anyone has asked them
[12:22:24] <Konomi> another fun thing all the laptops are ibm/lenovo
[12:22:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> cool, diggin finally having proper vaapi support in the fglrx driver
[12:22:39] <crutchy> there are lots of velcro patches all over the inside of spacecraft
[12:22:48] <crutchy> to stick everything
[12:23:00] <Konomi> must velcro all the things
[12:23:23] <crutchy> even the ants
[12:23:34] <crutchy> and the rod
[12:25:04] <ar> http://www.bbc.com
[12:25:06] <NetCraft> ^ 03BBC News - Facebook offers solution to end drunken posts
[12:25:23] <crutchy> prohibition?
[12:26:08] <crutchy> It would ask: "Are you sure you want your boss and your mother to see this?"
[12:26:17] <crutchy> it should be doing that for all posts
[12:26:30] <Konomi> have clippy help them with every post
[12:26:37] <Konomi> that'd make sure no bad posts get through
[12:27:02] <crutchy> "it looks like you're trying to get yourself fired. would you like help with that?"
[12:27:23] <Konomi> "Looks like you're trying to make "friends" would you like some help with that?"
[12:27:27] <SirFinkus> "It would ask: "Are you sure you want your boss and your mother to see this?" and then submit it to the database of embarrassing photographs the government keeps on everyone for blackmail purposes
[12:28:01] <SirFinkus> before they needed to break into hotel rooms and stuff for this kind of work
[12:28:22] <crutchy> everything you say or do will be used against you in a secret FISA court, and you don't have the right to shit
[12:28:36] <Konomi> I always encrypt my questionable store of selfies
[12:28:46] <Konomi> nograb
[12:28:53] <SirFinkus> it's literally out of a Kafka novel
[12:28:54] <crutchy> you have stores of questionable selfies!?
[12:29:00] <Konomi> maybe
[12:29:19] <Konomi> 1080p web cam isn't going to pay for itself... kidding
[12:29:21] <Konomi> also no grab
[12:29:37] <SirFinkus> I thought of a bot feature
[12:29:44] <crutchy> hackctl extract konomi --questionable-selfies
[12:29:52] <SirFinkus> anytime someone says no grab, it grabs the previous line from them
[12:29:58] <crutchy> heh
[12:30:03] <Konomi> guess I better use something else then
[12:30:04] <ar> haha
[12:30:12] <crutchy> bender is the grabber though
[12:30:18] <crutchy> would have to prolly be pj
[12:30:24] <ar> does it grab tits?
[12:30:26] <crutchy> he's the bender-bender
[12:30:36] <SirFinkus> that sounds painful
[12:30:45] <SirFinkus> I don't think it's supposed to bend
[12:30:53] <crutchy> ar, you want the !grope feature
[12:30:54] <SirFinkus> I've seen the gif
[12:32:07] * ar gives Konomi moar cake
[12:32:22] <ar> (cheesecake again)
[12:32:25] <Konomi> なん　ぐらぶ maybe
[12:32:59] <Konomi> love chesecake ^^
[12:33:08] <ar> :>
[12:33:15] <SirFinkus> it is pretty great, but it always gives me the shits
[12:33:26] <Konomi> shame
[12:34:00] <Konomi> if you have trouble with a certain type of food having some psyllium fiber before it might let you eat it normally
[12:34:25] <ar> Konomi: or maybe の具ら部? :)
[12:34:39] <Konomi> my hirigana sucks
[12:34:46] <ar> or のグらブ
[12:35:43] <Konomi> either google translate is much worse at japanese than I thought or you got those really wrong xD
[12:35:57] <Konomi> wish it was just give me the romaji groan
[12:36:24] <ar> no gu ra bu
[12:36:25] <ar> ;>
[12:36:37] <Konomi> yeah I found it finally
[12:36:41] <Konomi> god it translates it bad x.x
[12:36:50] <Konomi> "immediately from part of"
[12:36:52] <Konomi> nice work google
[12:37:00] <ar> you can write just about anything in google translate
[12:37:10] <ar> and it'll try to translate it
[12:37:22] <Konomi> I only try to use it for single words when I need to spell them right
[12:38:46] <crutchy> ~translate en なん　ぐらぶ
[12:38:48] <exec> [google translate] なん　ぐらぶ (auto -> en): What grab
[12:39:08] <Konomi> thinks it's nani for some reason...
[12:40:07] <Konomi> hmm guess nan does mean what >.<
[12:40:10] <Konomi> just no topic particle
[12:40:30] <ar> btw, have you ever tried pointing google translate at a chinese website and set to translate from japanes?
[12:40:50] <crutchy> chrome can translate entire pages for you i think
[12:40:51] <Konomi> the languages have similarities so I'd expect it to be a little readable
[12:41:10] <ar> it's quite hilarious sometimes
[12:41:10] <crutchy> oh you mean convert between languages
[12:41:13] <crutchy> sorry
[12:41:34] <crutchy> ~translate-sl en cn nograb
[12:41:36] <exec> [google translate] nograb (en -> cn): nograb
[12:41:45] <Konomi> seems iie ie or iya is for no
[12:41:49] <crutchy> ~translate-sl en cn no grab
[12:41:51] <exec> [google translate] no grab (en -> cn): no grab
[12:43:10] <crutchy> ~translate-sl en zh-TW no grab
[12:43:12] <exec> [google translate] no grab (en -> zh-TW): 不搶
[12:43:58] <crutchy> ~translate en 不搶
[12:44:00] <exec> [google translate] 不搶 (auto -> en): Do not rush
[12:44:03] <crutchy> lol
[12:44:05] <ciri> HEHEHEHE
[12:44:44] <crutchy> ~translate-sl zh-TW en 不搶
[12:44:45] <exec> [google translate] 不搶 (zh-TW -> en): Do not rush
[12:44:49] <Konomi> I have a feeling google has trouble with things like that due to how verbose english is compared to other languages
[12:44:57] <SirFinkus> ~translate-sl en zh-TW fuck you siri
[12:45:04] <Konomi> meaning goes in but the contextual meaning that comes out isn't correct
[12:46:14] <crutchy> ah
[12:46:24] <SirFinkus> doesn't explain why it's good at things like french
[12:46:43] <SirFinkus> which, iirc, has a much smaller vocabulary than english
[12:46:54] <SirFinkus> if you put french in, it's extremely readable
[12:47:00] <Konomi> other languages are more simple than english
[12:47:05] <Konomi> knowing the context is a lot more important
[12:47:12] <crutchy> that last translate bombed because of fuck. blacklisted url
[12:47:17] <Konomi> context is a difficult thing for computers to grasp due to it being fuzzy logic
[12:47:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> (コーヒー)++
[12:47:27] <Bender> karma - (コーヒー): 1
[12:47:41] <Konomi> it's why I don't worry too much about "smart human AIs"
[12:47:55] <Konomi> I'm of the hypothosis there's no middle ground between fuzzy and hard logic
[12:48:11] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, that looks like a dude riding a rocket bike
[12:48:27] <crutchy> or some shit
[12:48:30] <Konomi> looks like katakana
[12:48:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~translate-sl ja en コーヒー
[12:48:37] <exec> [google translate] コーヒー (ja -> en): Coffee
[12:48:41] <Konomi> which means it's probably some non native japanese word
[12:48:43] <Konomi> hehe
[12:49:10] <Konomi> katakana is brought out whenever a non native word won't fit in well
[12:50:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> or when you're an english speaker and kanji makes your brain go gak when you look at it
[12:50:32] <Konomi> cheating ;p
[12:50:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> cheating++
[12:50:40] <Bender> karma - cheating: 6
[12:50:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Sony Reportedly is Using Cyber-Attacks to Keep Leaked Files From Spreading - http://sylnt.us - opening-Pandora's-box
[12:51:26] <crutchy> ~translate-sl en ja yo mama is so manky her undies wash themselves
[12:51:28] <exec> [google translate] yo mama is so manky her undies wash themselves (en -> ja): ヨーヨーママはとても彼女の下着は自分自身を洗うmankyされる
[12:52:00] <Konomi> ...
[12:52:20] <crutchy> bit of a mixed bag there
[12:53:55] <Konomi> ~translate-sl ja en あほ crutchy
[12:53:57] <exec> [google translate] あほ crutchy (ja -> en): Aho crutchy
[12:54:04] <Konomi> ...
[12:54:17] <Konomi> ~translate-sl ja en あほ
[12:54:18] <exec> [google translate] あほ (ja -> en): Stupid
[12:54:33] <Konomi> yes google that would aptly describe you at the momement
[12:54:50] <crutchy> !grab Konomi
[12:54:50] <Bender> Added quote 299
[12:54:56] <crutchy> momement++
[12:54:56] <Bender> karma - momement: 1
[12:54:56] <Konomi> I gave up trying to type crutchy in freaking japanese
[12:54:58] <Konomi> that damn r
[12:55:10] crutchy is now known as crunchy
[12:55:17] <crunchy> is that better?
[12:55:21] <Konomi> probably not ;p
[12:55:34] <Konomi> I can't do a c by itself
[12:55:34] crunchy is now known as crotchy
[12:55:37] <crotchy> ?
[12:55:39] <crotchy> oh
[12:55:44] * Konomi digs for alphabet
[12:55:58] crotchy is now known as crutchy
[12:56:56] <crutchy> all i remember from japanese was ben==toilet and itchy knees an yongo something something something dark side
[12:57:21] <SirFinkus> that was a bathhouse, not Japanese
[12:58:00] <Konomi> ar: do you happen to remember what the term was for using small versions of a japanese character to reprensent a single romaji letter?
[12:58:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~translate-sl ja en 馬鹿 ciri
[12:58:08] <exec> [google translate] 馬鹿 ciri (ja -> en): Fool ciri
[12:58:10] <ar> Konomi: not really
[12:58:28] <Konomi> so rusty x.x
[12:58:38] <ar> Konomi: oh, furigana i think
[12:59:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> baka is a fun word. learned that one from too much anime rather than rosetta stone.
[12:59:26] <Konomi> I prefer aho
[12:59:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> i prefer a ho too
[13:00:33] <crutchy> hahaha its funny getting the google translate voice to say shit
[13:00:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> on the up side, i can now say 馬鹿あほ when my cats annoy me
[13:01:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, baka neko
[13:02:33] <ar> http://www.london24.com - royall highness, indeed ;)
[13:02:35] <NetCraft> ^ 03Royal Highness: Magic mushrooms discovered at Buckingham Palace - Quirky London - London 24
[13:02:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm....
[13:03:16] <SirFinkus> that's the funny thing about shrooms, they grow fucking everywhere
[13:04:12] <SirFinkus> stupid article, Amanita muscaria is a deliriant, not a hallucinogen
[13:05:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> there we go, figured out the bloody sql statement i needed
[13:05:45] * TheMightyBuzzard hates having to deal with joins
[13:06:11] <SirFinkus> I read that as "johns" on my first pass, and got very confused
[13:06:57] <ar> TheMightyBuzzard: what was the problem? sql is quite easy
[13:07:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> bah, almost figured it out anyway
[13:07:39] <crutchy> you using workbench?
[13:08:09] <Konomi> I decided to identify 3 seperate countries for noping to use
[13:08:13] <Konomi> I used ntp servers
[13:08:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> using trial and error
[13:08:25] <Konomi> gives a really good idea if I am having local route issues or remote
[13:08:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> update users_info join users_prefs on users_info.uid = users_prefs.uid set points = 5 where created_at < DATE_SUB(NOW(), INTERVAL 1 MONTH) AND users_info.uid <> 1 AND mod_banned < NOW() AND willing = 1;
[13:08:55] <crutchy> mysql_workbench++ # handy for mucking around trying to get something to work
[13:08:55] <Bender> karma - mysql_workbench: 1
[13:09:59] <crutchy> what table is points?
[13:10:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> users_info
[13:10:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> works now
[13:10:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> now i gotta find a way to do it in our heavily abstracted sql subs.
[13:11:00] <crutchy> slashql
[13:11:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess i could use an sqlDo for that. no user input
[13:14:22] <crutchy> think i might use a sleepDo myself
[13:14:43] <Konomi> moderator points they always run and hide when I want em
[13:15:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. may be rolling them out wide this weekend.
[13:15:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> meaning everyone gets them even if they have willing to mod turned off.
[13:15:48] <Konomi> there's a willing to mod setting ;_; ?
[13:16:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, somewhere. possibly on the comments tab of preferences
[13:17:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have mine turned off cause i never have time to mod and didn't want points wasted on me.
[13:18:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> first part of The Experiment. see if people actually will take care of bad downmods on their own given enough points or if that's just utopian thinking.
[13:18:47] <Konomi> I plan to use the disagree mod more often
[13:19:02] <Konomi> well at all since it's not there yet ;p
[13:19:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> you lot get first dibs on this info cause i haven't written it up for a post yet but the naysayers did convince me to roll the experiment out a bit at a time and see what works and what's necessary.
[13:20:05] <Konomi> experimenting is always good
[13:20:22] <Konomi> I hate how the real world is so fucking static with no willingness to try anything different x.x
[13:20:23] <SirFinkus> !grab konomi
[13:20:23] <Bender> Added quote 300
[13:20:25] <SirFinkus> fuck
[13:20:29] <Konomi> eat it ;p
[13:20:34] <Konomi> \o/
[13:21:01] <SirFinkus> 1/10th of a second too late
[13:21:02] * Konomi does her dance of victory
[13:21:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> first comes universal mod points. then in the january release comes spam mod + +0 disagree + +1 touche - -1 overrated
[13:21:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> all the downmods will stay downmods though
[13:23:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> overrated is going the fuck away period
[13:23:11] <Konomi> you know I was about to ask if I could grab myself but then I realised and guess what comes after this sentence
[13:23:14] <Konomi> denied
[13:23:14] <Konomi> so can you?
[13:23:22] <Konomi> use it on your own nick that is
[13:23:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> !grap TheMightyBuzzard
[13:23:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> !grab TheMightyBuzzard
[13:23:36] <Bender> Added quote 301
[13:23:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> !quote 301
[13:23:41] <Bender> Quote 301 - <TheMightyBuzzard> !grab TheMightyBuzzard
[13:23:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp
[13:23:53] <Konomi> guess so
[13:24:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> it grabbed the grab line instead of what i'd said before
[13:24:19] <Konomi> boing boing boing
[13:24:22] <Konomi> !grab Konomi
[13:24:22] <Bender> Added quote 302
[13:24:26] <Konomi> !quote 302
[13:24:26] <Bender> Quote 302 - <Konomi> !grab Konomi
[13:24:33] <Konomi> seems so ;_;
[13:24:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, sadface
[13:26:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> sql-- # verbosity fml
[13:26:26] <Bender> karma - sql: -2
[13:27:10] <crutchy> need a -pi confusing mod
[13:27:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, progress: http://www.breitbart.com
[13:27:24] <NetCraft> ^ 03#GamerGate Anti-Bullying Campaign cost Gawker over a Million Dollars
[13:27:48] <crutchy> what's gawker?
[13:28:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> the mediacorp of gaming journalism
[13:28:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> well rather prolly closer to whoever owns (MS)NBC
[13:28:47] <crutchy> heh. never heard of it till just now
[13:29:56] <SirFinkus> gaming "journalism"
[13:30:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> jamacian_blue_mountain_coffee++ # tonguegasms
[13:30:01] <Bender> karma - jamacian_blue_mountain_coffee: 1
[13:30:33] <Konomi> guess raids are more effective now
[13:31:03] <Konomi> future will be interesting when net peeps can have more of a direct effect on things that abstract back to reality
[13:31:28] <crutchy> who reads gaming journalism?
[13:31:37] <Konomi> no one
[13:31:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. capitalistic principle of "don't piss off the customer" in action.
[13:31:50] <Konomi> it's like asking a fox to guard a hen house
[13:32:36] <Konomi> gawker just failed to understand their viewer base
[13:32:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. and then failed to care when they did.
[13:33:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> foot, meet bullet.
[13:33:28] <crutchy> 'night folks
[13:33:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> nite yo
[13:33:32] <ciri> good nite TheMightyBuzzard
[13:33:42] <SirFinkus> I don't really give a shit about any of this, but fuck gawker, all of their sites are clickbait trash, and always have been
[13:33:45] <Konomi> thing is to wonder if they cost them by boycotting or simply harassing their advertisers
[13:34:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> harassing the advertisers
[13:34:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> well mostly
[13:34:32] <Konomi> be interesting to see if anyone "weaponises" that as much as I hate using the word
[13:34:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> organized campaign of that what's been somewhat successful. well if seven figures is somewhat.
[13:34:55] <SirFinkus> who is the source of this "7 figures"
[13:34:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> has been, just not terribly widely known yet.
[13:35:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> sirecote, gawker exec
[13:35:12] <Konomi> being able to affect an organisation over such a trivial issue means being able to think up some shitty cause and whipping up enough of an angry mob could be a very powerful way to crush a site
[13:35:29] <Konomi> social ddos attack \o/
[13:35:29] <SirFinkus> so gawker says they've lost ELEVENTY MILLION DOLLARS
[13:35:34] <SirFinkus> I'm skeptical
[13:36:00] <SirFinkus> it's like when the MPAA or the RIAA gives out numbers on their losses due to piracy
[13:36:05] <Konomi> nods
[13:36:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> as it should be. the people with the money should always be > arrogant corporation
[13:36:30] <Konomi> well the majority is always at the cost of the minority
[13:36:39] <Konomi> it doesn't make their cause any more just because there is more of them
[13:36:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, that they said they lost anything at all is amazing. i'd expect them to deny it right until they had to report earnings to the SEC
[13:37:02] <Konomi> that's why the usa went with a republic instead of a democracy
[13:37:15] <SirFinkus> not really, haven't they kind of been playing the victim?
[13:37:16] blackmoore|hiding is now known as Blackmoore
[13:37:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, yup but in the private sector we're still 100% democracy
[13:37:32] <Konomi> to avoid the majority fleecing the rights of small groups of people or the individual
[13:37:39] <Konomi> doubtful
[13:37:50] <SirFinkus> or it could be an excuse to clean house while saving face
[13:37:51] <Konomi> there's mobs and then classes of power even in private sectors
[13:37:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, really. we just been convinced otherwise
[13:38:07] <Konomi> if the mob rule worked in private sector we wouldn't have google plus as comments on youtube
[13:38:13] <Konomi> which everyone universally hated
[13:38:15] <Konomi> but nothing was done
[13:38:21] <Konomi> cause google wields more power than the angry mobs
[13:38:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's slowly going away i heard
[13:38:38] <Konomi> would have to slowly go away to something else
[13:38:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, they do over themselves but they did honk off a lot of people and they are losing money playing with plus
[13:38:54] <SirFinkus> they aren't doing the real name popup thing anymore
[13:38:58] <Konomi> I haven't heard of any alt method of making youtube comments
[13:39:07] <SirFinkus> or at least I haven't seen one in months
[13:39:12] <Konomi> also a lot of people are of the idea that bandwidth is what rules on the internet
[13:39:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> hang on, lemme check
[13:39:19] <Konomi> and when you're on the end of a ddos you might agree with that
[13:39:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i heard something about that ending but haven't ever commented
[13:39:40] <SirFinkus> also I stopped reading youtube comments years ago
[13:39:41] <Konomi> there are rumors google might trend away from it
[13:39:44] <Konomi> there's nothing offical
[13:39:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh
[13:39:58] <SirFinkus> nothing of value has ever been said in a youtube comment
[13:40:08] <Konomi> there was at the start
[13:40:18] <Konomi> but once the flood of normies came to the internet that went awway
[13:40:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, still stuck on +
[13:40:46] <SirFinkus> the start? of youtube? no, the fucktards arrived well before youtube
[13:40:59] <Konomi> youtube was not bad for comments at the start ;p
[13:41:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus will eventually die due to lack of use though. voting with our presence rather than our dollars
[13:41:14] <SirFinkus> I don't believe it
[13:41:25] <Konomi> every decay in the complexity of online engagements I can trace back to the start of when facebook strted getting popular
[13:41:38] <SirFinkus> myspace
[13:41:42] <SirFinkus> geocities
[13:41:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> geocities
[13:41:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> irc =P
[13:41:50] <Konomi> myspace didn't leak out much from it's core area
[13:42:00] <Konomi> there wasn't as much share this stuff when myspace was common
[13:42:06] <Konomi> communties didn't mingle as much
[13:42:19] <Konomi> that's why irc is still good it isn't as easily used by idiots
[13:42:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> Did you ever *look* at MySpace when it was big?
[13:42:33] <SirFinkus> the neat thing about irc now is that it requires 10x the effort as most of the other communication mediums, so there are fewer normies
[13:42:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> it was a seething bonfire of stupidity.
[13:42:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, did you miss the 90s?
[13:43:00] <Konomi> I mostly ignored myspace and I was able to quite easily
[13:43:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> irc was insanely moronic for quite a while. people just stopped using it after easier things came along and new people came around and never got to hear of irc
[13:43:39] <SirFinkus> the real beginning of the decline was in 1933, when the first AOL disks started shipping
[13:43:47] <Konomi> 1933
[13:43:54] <Konomi> what you be interneting on punch cards ;p ?
[13:43:58] <SirFinkus> or 1993
[13:44:18] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: that largely depended on which irc server you went to
[13:44:25] <Konomi> dalnet was a good offender for that
[13:45:02] <SirFinkus> is dalnet still a thing? can't remember the last time I was on it
[13:45:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dug undernet for #hackphreak
[13:45:16] <Konomi> it still exists but is a shell of it's former self
[13:45:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was a bad man in the 90s
[13:45:47] <Konomi> http://techcrunch.com
[13:45:48] <NetCraft> ^ 03IRC Has Lost 60% Of Its Users Since 2003, But Life As A Robot Is Just Beginning | TechCrunch
[13:46:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, i should write a /sing macro to put notes around arbitrary text
[13:49:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> ♫ Do ♫
[13:49:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> bah
[13:49:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> wrong var
[13:50:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> ♫ Do you wanna build a snowman ♫
[13:51:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> bloody song sticks in my brain whenever i hear it and they were watching frozen when i went to visit my folks last night.
[13:51:33] <Konomi> what song?
[13:51:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[13:51:51] <NetCraft> ^ 03FROZEN Do You Want to Build a Snowman Kristen Bell, Agatha Lee Monn & Katie Lopez from Frozen HD - YouTube
[13:52:15] * TheMightyBuzzard shoots ciri dead 💥🔫
[13:53:46] <Konomi> I see gawker related sites have finally fucked off that awful redesign
[13:53:54] <Konomi> which is actually why I left them before any of this drama
[13:53:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, ditto
[13:54:08] <Konomi> they were trying to do the whole newspaper in your browser thing
[13:54:10] <Konomi> god it pissed me off
[13:54:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> i used to like lifehacker too
[13:54:34] <Konomi> the current one seems they finally got the idea
[13:54:53] <Konomi> lifehacker still looks like arse
[13:55:04] <Konomi> jezebel has a nice layout which is surprising
[13:55:05] <Konomi> http://jezebel.com
[13:55:06] <NetCraft> ^ 03Jezebel - Celebrity, Sex, Fashion for Women. Without Airbrushing.
[13:55:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> looking like arse is fine. making me log in with facebook or google is not
[13:55:15] <Konomi> that's actually how I would like most of my websites to look
[13:55:30] <Konomi> nothing trying to be huge and grabbingh my attention
[13:55:42] <Konomi> just every story a nice heading paragraph and thumbnail
[13:55:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> could prolly write a userstyle to make SN look like that.
[13:56:16] <Konomi> gawker sorta doing it but not as much
[13:56:21] <Konomi> nah I like SN as it is
[13:56:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> bunch of display: none !important; mostly
[13:56:44] <Konomi> only thing I'd love in SN is in place moderating
[13:56:48] <Konomi> aka it doesn't reload the page
[13:56:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, me too
[13:56:52] <Konomi> hate losing my spot
[13:57:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> i just don't do javascript well enough to do it. maybe one of the new devs.
[13:57:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean we could drop you back to the same comment after moderation easy enough but not without a page refresh.
[13:57:56] <Konomi> prefer to let things go at their own pace
[13:58:02] <Konomi> that's why I don't do suggests much or anything
[13:58:13] <Konomi> if I had to work to a schedule none of my projects would get finished
[13:58:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas actually on my todo list
[13:58:17] <Konomi> cause I'd hate the hell out fo them
[13:58:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh
[13:58:38] <Konomi> I'm not a consistent programmer I do my programming in bursts
[13:58:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> i only work to a "release what you have done" every two months or so schedule
[13:58:59] * Konomi nods
[13:59:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> well and a 5-10am schedule cause that's just when the code flows best for me.
[13:59:44] <Konomi> I have no job atm which I am sorta thankful for
[13:59:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> some days i knock off at 7 though and play minecraft
[13:59:50] <Konomi> I have a had a huge problem with exhaustion lately
[13:59:56] <Konomi> I might rhave to talk to the doctor about it
[14:00:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be depression
[14:00:10] <Konomi> probably
[14:00:17] <Konomi> my life is pretty static at the momement
[14:00:22] <Konomi> and I can't socialise with anyone here
[14:00:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ick
[14:00:28] <Konomi> they're below my level on interests
[14:00:40] <Konomi> I pick them apart too quickly -.-
[14:00:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, not working and not socializing will get you in the bleh's pretty quick
[14:00:55] <Konomi> if someone isn't challenging in their chats with me I get nothing out of it
[14:01:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[14:01:30] <Konomi> I live on a shoestring budget at the momemnet so it might be diet
[14:01:32] <Konomi> working on that though
[14:01:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> have a booty call chick who i can barely stand to be around with clothes on. has whopping huge tracts of stupid.
[14:01:53] <Konomi> booty call ;p ?
[14:01:59] <Konomi> is that friends with benefits?
[14:02:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, kinda. more like not really friends with benefits.
[14:02:28] <Konomi> I'm a few generations out of understand that term
[14:02:40] * Konomi googles booty call
[14:02:48] <AndyTheAbsurd> she's a tack-head; you only pay attention to her when you're pounding her?
[14:03:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> we don't hang out or talk outside bootying nights
[14:03:05] <Konomi> looks like friends with benefits to me
[14:03:12] <Konomi> "A late night summons -- often made via telephone -- to arrange clandestine sexual liaisons on an ad hoc basis. "
[14:03:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> so the friends part isn't really accurate
[14:03:56] <Konomi> I don't have the whole sex drive issue to deal with so if people are annoying I can dump them reguardless
[14:04:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> nother sign of depression, that
[14:04:22] <Konomi> nah been like that all my life \o/
[14:04:49] <Konomi> it's like sweets they're nice but I don't wantt hem all the time
[14:04:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[14:05:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is normal n healthy up until you hit say 34
[14:05:47] <Konomi> why 34?
[14:06:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause around 32-34 chicks hormones start kicking in to overdrive
[14:06:32] <Konomi> eh?
[14:06:38] <Konomi> I thought as you get older they tone down?
[14:07:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> works that way for guys. yall hit your sexual peak in your mid-30s instead of 18 though.
[14:07:55] <Konomi> joy
[14:08:15] <Konomi> in could've went blissfully through life without knowing that you know >.<
[14:08:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> not as bad as guys have it but still significant
[14:08:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, you would have found out eventually
[14:08:37] mechanicjay|away is now known as mechanicjay
[14:08:39] <Konomi> key word eventually
[14:08:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> not like you can sleep through five or six years
[14:09:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, mechanicjay
[14:09:50] <Konomi> yeah but I could spend more years not knowing about it ;p
[14:10:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'nothin to worry about. you should totes be able to afford enough toys to keep things under control by then and know where all the good pron is.
[14:10:49] <Konomi> ;p
[14:10:57] <mechanicjay> morning TMB
[14:11:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> unlike us poor guys at 13-18
[14:11:22] <Konomi> well I have a friend who is a guy and he's disinterested in sex
[14:11:26] <Konomi> makes him about 100x more interesting
[14:11:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> how old?
[14:11:45] <Konomi> hmm he should be 20 ish by now
[14:11:57] <Konomi> pretty much said he was asexual eventually
[14:12:00] <Konomi> and I was like cool ;p
[14:12:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> either lying or suffering from a mental disorder of some sort.
[14:13:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd say flash him the girls and see but it'd muck things up if he was lying.
[14:13:37] <Konomi> I believe him
[14:13:44] <Konomi> and he's probably done well out of it
[14:13:53] <Konomi> since he doesn't have distractions from his career
[14:14:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> likely. relationships tend to come along with sex most of the time at that age. and relationships are a fuckton of work.
[14:14:54] <Blackmoore> eh; it can happen. my oldest boy isnt interested either. he's 22 now; makes me wonder if he's my kid.
[14:16:07] <Konomi> I'd be happy to have a kid that is different from the norm myself ;p
[14:16:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> horrible thing to wish on the kid though
[14:16:41] <Blackmoore> oh; he's great kid.
[14:16:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> being abnormal is rough as hell through school
[14:17:07] <Konomi> would home school my kid
[14:17:15] <Konomi> I'd never put them through a "school"
[14:17:19] <Blackmoore> I think he might have decided that Dad was the best person to NOT emulate
[14:17:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> better education but worse for social skills.
[14:17:38] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles at Blackmoore
[14:17:40] <Konomi> there's play time for socialising
[14:19:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh, mod-and-post totally isn't going to get two weeks on dev before release.
[14:19:39] <Konomi> go game dev mode
[14:19:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> maybe one and a half, cause i'm not gonna get it done today
[14:19:44] <Konomi> release it and let the users beta test it
[14:19:45] <Konomi> ;p
[14:19:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh we do that anyway
[14:20:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> we got no beta testers using dev so it's strictly an in-house alpha
[14:21:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> but we can't call anything beta so we skip it entirely and go to gamma testing on you lot.
[14:21:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> which i'm still hoping turns at least one of you into a big green rage monster
[14:24:00] <Konomi> not possible I never stick around to rage if something annoys me I complain wait then generally leave if it's bad enough ;p
[14:25:37] <Blackmoore> im always angry
[14:26:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> Blackmoore: but are you also big and green?
[14:32:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, s'okay, you can go shulk instead of hulk. she just gets big, green, wicked hot, and gains super snark powah
[14:33:11] <Konomi> you read some odd stuff ;p
[14:35:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> she-hulk isn't odd, she's awesome.
[14:37:45] <Konomi> http://jezebel.com
[14:37:46] <NetCraft> ^ 03Stoned-as-Hell Puppy Forgets How to Walk, Can't Even Deal With Reality
[14:37:49] <Konomi> this is so odd to watch
[14:39:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> funky
[14:40:01] <Konomi> if only we could see what she is seeing
[14:40:33] <Konomi> the eye movements make me think the dog is hallucinating
[14:41:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> no idear. mine do that when narcotics make me dizzy though
[14:41:41] <Blackmoore> AndyTheAbsurd: well i'll let yall know if i turn green.
[14:43:24] * Konomi preps the anti green soup
[14:43:48] <Konomi> I swear with the varrying volume levels on videos on the web
[14:43:51] <Leebert> TheMightyBuzzard: no, no, no, Gamma is to slow. We need to go straight to... Omega testing.
[14:43:56] <Konomi> I mise well have my fucking volume control on the fucking mouse
[14:43:58] <Konomi> grr -.-
[14:44:57] <Konomi> http://jezebel.com
[14:44:58] <NetCraft> ^ 03Florida Woman Jailed After Fight Over Vibrator with Twin Sister
[14:45:00] <Konomi> what....
[14:45:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dunno but that one needs to be a video
[14:45:41] <Konomi> please please please let the singularity and ftl happen in my life time so I can escape this festering rock ._.
[14:47:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> just need more cynicism then it becomes hilarious watching the downward spiral
[14:48:03] <Konomi> debating bookmarking jezebel and lifehacker
[14:48:10] <Konomi> problem is so many fluff articles
[14:48:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[14:48:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> rss feed maybe
[14:48:50] <Konomi> just had the sudden idea of parassing rss for key words and pulling parts of the feeds with them
[14:49:00] <Konomi> xkeystore for my web surfing \o/
[14:49:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm
[14:49:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> could but key words don't always hit well without accounting for synonyms
[14:49:51] <Konomi> could use and combinations
[14:50:04] <Konomi> I don't exactly have many generalised interests
[14:50:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[14:50:58] <Konomi> I'd do new stuff but I am still cleaning up my old stuff so idea neat but on hold as usual
[14:51:37] <Konomi> http://jezebel.com
[14:51:38] <NetCraft> ^ 03Convicted Sex Offender Wins $3 Million Lottery Because There Is No God
[14:51:40] <Konomi> best headline ever
[14:52:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Playing with my Son - http://sylnt.us - pushing-the-right-buttons
[14:53:12] <Konomi> bwahahha
[14:53:15] <Konomi> http://jezebel.com
[14:53:16] <NetCraft> ^ 03Kids Learn About Sex, Gender and Consent; Parents Understandably Livid
[14:53:19] <Konomi> "http://jezebel.com/kids-learn-about-sex-gender-and-consent-parents-under-1669023548"
[14:53:22] <Konomi> ops
[14:53:27] <Konomi> "In ninth grade, I took a summer class on health education. In it, we learned how to put on a condom, that being gay is okay and that trans people aren't freaks. My parents didn't bat an eye (except when I brought a lube sample home)."
[14:53:32] <Konomi> +1
[14:54:08] <Konomi> reminds me of a fav line from cory doctrow
[14:54:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> -1 school is not the place for teaching morals
[14:54:34] <Konomi> "senators will be absolutely livid when they find out their 16 yo daughter just 3d printed her first sex toy"
[14:54:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> the state should NEVER be in a position to dictate or indoctrinate morality
[14:55:07] <Blackmoore> !grab Konomi
[14:55:07] <Bender> Added quote 303
[14:55:13] <Konomi> sex ed is morals?
[14:55:16] <Konomi> news to me
[14:55:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, "that being gay is okay and that trans people aren't freaks" is though
[14:55:34] <Konomi> don't care if you grab that one since my quotes make it obvious someone else was saying it ;p
[14:55:36] <Blackmoore> the "culture" is morals.
[14:55:56] <Blackmoore> the state just tries to enforce a subset
[14:56:06] <Konomi> nod morals are very subjective
[14:56:25] <Blackmoore> but sex ed? isnt about morals. it's mostly about childbirth and STD
[14:56:31] <Konomi> yep
[14:56:43] <Konomi> reason gay and trans issues get covered in sex ed is because need to know
[14:56:47] <Konomi> not for morals
[14:56:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> i personally don't care how someone wants to live their life but damned if i'll have the state telling anyone what they should and shouldn't think
[14:56:59] <Konomi> though I have a feeling the author went for a crude summaray ;p
[14:57:44] <Blackmoore> *shrug* I didnt have my first real interactions with gay or trans till i was in my 20's and working
[14:57:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> possibly, education is the second most left-leaning demographic in the US though. right after the entertainment industry.
[14:58:16] <Konomi> Blackmoore: I'm sure some people have before that though
[14:58:17] <Konomi> I did ;p
[14:58:38] <Blackmoore> even then it was troubling to figure out how to interact with them as i had no place to start from
[14:58:56] <Konomi> different things always take time to understand
[14:59:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, s'simple. treat em like everyone else. assume they're an asshole until proven otherwise.
[14:59:36] <Blackmoore> and frankly only one of those people was difficult to work with - because that's just what she was. difficult.
[15:00:05] <Konomi> I'd be difficult if I didn't spend all my time avoiding people
[15:00:38] <Konomi> I figure people are going to have to adapt in the end though
[15:00:48] <Konomi> technology is entirely transformative
[15:01:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, nobody HAS to do anything. i expect they will for the most part though.
[15:01:13] <Konomi> eventually providing we don't do something stupid humans will pretty much do everything and anything
[15:01:59] <Konomi> kinda why I like the cyberpunk genre actually most of the people who gravitate around it understand one day that possiblities won't be so limiting
[15:02:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> some things are worth arguing over, some aren't. what other folks do that doesn't harm you falls under aren't.
[15:03:22] <Konomi> 1. always reasses the following 2. always go in order 3. never hurt anyone 4. do whatever you want
[15:03:27] <Konomi> generally works out well for me ;p
[15:03:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[15:03:53] <Konomi> have to constantly keep doing it though
[15:04:10] <Konomi> rule 1 is always don't be a lazy arse and think you will be perfect at 3 and 4
[15:04:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> 3 += without a damned fine reason.
[15:04:16] <ciri> 4
[15:04:17] <ciri> 5
[15:04:18] <ciri> 6
[15:04:20] <Konomi> rule 2 is there if you're a dumb arse
[15:04:20] <ciri> 7
[15:04:22] <ciri> 8
[15:04:24] <ciri> 9
[15:04:26] <ciri> 10 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:04:33] <Konomi> ciri-- # shiniiii
[15:04:33] <Bender> karma - ciri: -30
[15:06:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> see harming others gets a bad name but it's led to things like the ends of tyrants, slavery, and such as well
[15:07:20] <Konomi> it's always subjective
[15:07:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[15:07:45] <Konomi> I think as people communicate more we'll eventually come to a concensus on morality
[15:07:56] <Konomi> you know like the borg \o/
[15:07:58] <Konomi> ;p
[15:08:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think you're overestimating the human race quite a lot
[15:08:31] <Konomi> negativity
[15:08:37] <Konomi> it's like salt and sugar
[15:08:45] <Konomi> needs a bit of optimism for some flavour
[15:08:46] <Konomi> ;p
[15:09:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> islam fer instance. huge fans of oppressing women and harming people who aren't islamic. they have a loooooooooooooong way to go before they even approach egalitarianism.
[15:10:32] <Konomi> doubt they'd survive in a concensus
[15:10:40] <Konomi> they'd probably get the ultimate shunning
[15:11:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be. would not be a bad thing either.
[15:11:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> doubt they'd care much though.
[15:11:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> some folks simply enjoy oppressing others.
[15:12:27] <Konomi> I will never get them personally
[15:12:31] <Konomi> it's too alien to me
[15:12:35] <Konomi> http://jezebel.com
[15:12:36] <NetCraft> ^ 03Not Even the Poems of Emily Dickinson Can Stop Grindr's Desire for Sex
[15:12:38] <Konomi> amusing
[15:12:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> low self esteem. looking down on or holding down others gives them a sense of power and self-worth.
[15:14:10] <Konomi> "Fox News Host Freaks Out About Torture Report: 'We Are Awesome!'"
[15:14:13] <Konomi> yeah that sounds like fox
[15:16:02] <Konomi> sometimes I have to wonder if they just have some really good trolls who want to make conservatives look like a laughing stock
[15:16:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, they hire right-wing idiots for the most part because right-wingers are an extremely underserved market and idiots are a much larger demographic than intelligent people.
[15:16:38] <Konomi> I think they got caught trying to plant alcohol out on the street of furgausin protests
[15:16:49] <Konomi> it was like literally vodkan and orange in a neat stack
[15:16:59] <Konomi> it was like they were trying to replicate a south park joke...
[15:17:20] <Konomi> I know some of their stupid audience will believe it
[15:17:21] <Konomi> but wow
[15:17:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> like The Hannity Effect: When someone says something you agree with but does it so poorly that you wish they'd just sat there quietly instead.
[15:17:30] <Konomi> are we sure all their employees aren't from 4chan?
[15:17:39] <Konomi> cause awesome troll if they are >.>
[15:18:37] <Konomi> I did giggle when one of the protestors took all the alcohol then another smashed their camera
[15:19:19] <Konomi> someone enjoy the sweet fruits of taking something from fox news that night
[15:19:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> doubt that was legit. most of their reporters are smarter than their anchors.
[15:20:13] <Konomi> nah it was on video
[15:20:21] <Konomi> let me locate it
[15:21:24] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[15:21:24] <NetCraft> ^ 03White Reporter Tries to Steal Black Guys Liquor At Ferguson Riots - FOX NEWS - YouTube
[15:21:31] <Konomi> not the best title
[15:21:52] <Konomi> "a stash" >.>
[15:22:09] <Konomi> no camera breakadge part
[15:22:45] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[15:22:46] <NetCraft> ^ 03Fox News STAGES SCENE Planting Alcohol @ #Ferguson, Cameraman Pays Price on LIVE TV - YouTube
[15:22:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> one of my favorites: https://twitter.com
[15:22:51] <NetCraft> ^ 03bubba ervin on Twitter: "White man joins Eric Garner protest.Is brutally bashed with a hammer for being white. #tcot http://t.co" @IngrahamAngle"
[15:23:01] <Konomi> I don't believe for a second anyone left that out there...
[15:24:08] <Konomi> it really does remind me of a scene out of southpark though
[15:24:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> beats tha hell outa me
[15:24:26] <Konomi> I would believe they set it up
[15:24:28] <Konomi> the lack of bag
[15:24:38] <Konomi> and the fact the reporter could name it all so well so quickly...
[15:25:15] <Konomi> fox have been losing viewers for ages too
[15:25:21] <Konomi> probably getting desperate at this point
[15:25:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> he was wrong on what it was though. it was gin.
[15:26:15] <Konomi> I wouldn't know I'm not an alcohol expert xd
[15:26:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> i keep a stash of new amsterdam around for when i don't wanna be conscious.
[15:26:22] <Konomi> also
[15:26:31] <Konomi> wouldn't you get more orange than vodka?
[15:26:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause i hate gin so i won't drink it and it'll always be availible.
[15:26:37] <Konomi> that ratio would be way off in unpleasent land
[15:27:09] <Konomi> though I've never made shots
[15:27:21] <Konomi> and I admit the last shot I had was called a purple tentacle at a very nerdy bar in melbourne
[15:27:26] <Konomi> nograb nope nope
[15:27:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, that woulda made some pretty nasty ratio drinking
[15:27:38] <Blackmoore> aw.
[15:28:12] <Blackmoore> Konomi: we all have awful quotes.
[15:28:25] <Konomi> I have more than some they go out of their way believe me
[15:28:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> !quote TheMightyBuzzard
[15:28:43] <Bender> Quote 188 - <TheMightyBuzzard> no biggie, just had to decide where to put it.
[15:28:47] <Bender> Also in quotes: 189, 191, 203, 204, 235, 259, 262, 290, 291, 301
[15:29:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> !quote 189
[15:29:02] <Bender> Quote 189 - <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, strip entirely
[15:29:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> noice
[15:30:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> i really should make bender not grab anything that begins with !grab
[15:30:42] <Konomi> !quote Konomi
[15:30:42] <Bender> Quote 23 - <Konomi> swearing is there for when I need an extra run to climb up my pissed off ladder
[15:30:46] <Bender> Also in quotes: 52, 83, 183, 184, 236, 246, 257, 260, 267, 272, 280, 289, 296, 298, 299, 302, 303
[15:30:50] <Konomi> see ._.
[15:31:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> !quote crutchy
[15:31:24] <Bender> Quote 27 - <crutchy> buggered if i know
[15:31:28] <Bender> Also in quotes: 28, 33, 34, 37, 39, 40, 46, 47, 54, 58, 59, 60, 69, 70, 71, 77, 122, 123, 131, 133, 137, 140, 144, 157, 159, 162, 167, 174, 175, 177, 181, 187, 194, 198, 199, 200, 205, 218, 221, 225, 226, 227, 231, 234, 240, 241, 247, 251, 252, 263, 264, 265, 269, 270, 275, 276, 278, 281, 292
[15:31:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> winner winner, chicken dinner
[15:32:10] <Konomi> doubt crutchy's are taken out of context iuendo thoug ;p
[15:32:14] <Konomi> !quote 28
[15:32:14] <Bender> Quote 28 - <crutchy> "reading" is what i get my 7 year old to do
[15:32:26] <Konomi> !quote 52
[15:32:26] <Bender> Quote 52 - <Konomi> damn thing even has grammar mistakes...
[15:32:45] <Konomi> hmm maybe I don't have as many
[15:32:50] * Konomi yays a little
[15:34:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> who was our resident python proselytizer?
[15:34:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't wanna have to look at python but bender needs to not grab ^!grab lines
[15:34:29] <Konomi> oh god
[15:34:34] <Konomi> um not sure if safe for work x.x
[15:34:35] <Konomi> http://i.kinja-img.com
[15:34:39] <Konomi> x.x
[15:34:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i work from home
[15:34:58] <Konomi> well now I'm going to have nightmares
[15:35:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i used to could do that. then i realized i enjoyed sitting on my ass more than going to the gym
[15:39:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> any time i wanna feel good about myself, i look at Michelangelo's David and think "It must be really cold in Italy."
[15:41:06] <Konomi> http://jezebel.com
[15:41:06] <NetCraft> ^ 03Slayer Rescued a Kitten, Because Nothing Is More Metal Than Kittens
[15:41:17] <Blackmoore> !quote Blackmoore
[15:41:17] <Bender> Quote 78 - <Blackmoore> mm.. liquified bacon, just hook them up to an IV feed.
[15:41:21] <Bender> Also in quotes: 79, 81, 102, 214, 217, 244, 266
[15:41:25] <Konomi> eww ;p
[15:41:51] <Blackmoore> the rest are just as bad..
[15:42:07] <Blackmoore> no. actually i think that's the lamest
[15:42:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> !quote 292
[15:42:07] <Bender> Quote 292 - <crutchy> very grabbable
[15:42:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> !quote 293
[15:42:15] <Bender> Quote 293 - <chromas> By.tram must be Gilligan. We'll blame him for everything!
[15:42:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> !quote 291
[15:42:21] <Bender> Quote 291 - <TheMightyBuzzard> What do we want? Coffee! When do we want it? I'll fucking cut you!
[15:42:39] <Blackmoore> now i like that
[15:42:43] * Konomi approves
[15:43:03] <Blackmoore> !quote 217
[15:43:03] <Bender> Quote 217 - <Blackmoore> Well i guess we knlw whos got the good Porn..
[15:43:14] <Blackmoore> !quote 217
[15:43:14] <Bender> Quote 217 - <Blackmoore> Well i guess we knlw whos got the good Porn..
[15:43:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> and one of my favorites...
[15:43:21] <Blackmoore> !quote 214
[15:43:21] <Bender> Quote 214 - <Blackmoore> hehe I'll have to not abuse that..
[15:43:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> !quote 275
[15:43:24] <Bender> Quote 275 - <crutchy> paulej72 is the butt
[15:43:35] <Blackmoore> i guess most og mine are lame
[15:43:37] <Konomi> and then i wondered what happens at "staff" meetings
[15:43:50] <Blackmoore> !quote 81
[15:43:50] <Bender> Quote 81 - <Blackmoore> and look at you - you fertilized thier garden - what a good neighbor!
[15:44:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh we don't have staff meetings anymore. not since the summer anyway.
[15:44:28] <Blackmoore> mm. i rember that.. tho i dont recall who was being reffered to
[15:48:29] <Konomi> http://jezebel.com
[15:48:31] <NetCraft> ^ 03Bomb Threat That Closed Federal Courthouse Turned Out To Be a Vibrator
[15:48:34] <Konomi> the gifs in the comment section x.x
[15:49:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> have js off, no comment section
[15:50:52] <Konomi> god guinea pigs are so damn cute ;_;
[15:54:55] <Konomi> "As many of you are no doubt already aware (and for everyone who didn't, I'm so sorry), Doritos recently made headlines by attempting to consciously and repeatedly couple with Mountain Dew; the Doritos-flavored liquid is called "Dewitos," and word is it tastes like liquid carbonated cheese."
[15:55:00] <Konomi> eww.
[15:56:06] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[15:56:06] <NetCraft> ^ 03Coil Whine as Fast As Possible - YouTube
[15:56:12] <Konomi> need to know information
[15:57:20] <Konomi> not sure about video cards though
[15:57:24] <mechanicjay> I'm tired of iterating over two dimensional arrays with with static back references to embedded elements in a different 2-D array.
[15:57:30] <Konomi> I didn't know they had many coils
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[15:57:35] <Ethanol-fueled> Aw, yeah.
[15:57:39] <Ethanol-fueled> Dis rain is awesome
[15:57:58] <Ethanol-fueled> Perfect for being shut indoors banging out that final project.
[15:58:10] <Ethanol-fueled> Do any of you give a shit? Fuck no, you don't.
[15:58:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> hmm?
[15:58:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, not really, nope. doesn't concern me so it's irrelevant.
[15:58:37] <Konomi> tbh I don't think coil whine has been in a desktop pc I have seen for awhile
[15:58:45] <Leebert> All I know is socal has been whining about not getting rain. Now they're whining about getting rain. :)
[15:59:01] <mechanicjay> It's raining here if that makes any difference
[15:59:27] <mechanicjay> bit it's winter in Seattle, so it's to be expected.
[16:00:00] <Ethanol-fueled> cue all the morans piling up in wreckages and shutting down thehighways.
[16:00:42] <Leebert> Well, I'll say this for you, Ethanol-fueled... you know the difference between "cue" and "queue" which seems to be beyond at least 70% of slashdotters. :)
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[16:02:41] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[16:02:41] <NetCraft> ^ 03Mineral Oil Submerged PC Build Log Part 3 - Pouring the Oil - YouTube
[16:02:43] <Konomi> kinda want ;_;
[16:03:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, specially if you phase-change cool the mineral oil.
[16:03:34] <Konomi> sorry I just want it for the bling xD
[16:04:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> supercooled mineral oil... you could overclock ALL OF THE THINGS
[16:06:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't even bother with overclocking anymore but being able to if i so choose still piques my interest
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[16:08:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> heya, janrinok.
[16:08:34] <Ethanol-fueled> sup janrinok
[16:08:36] <janrinok> hi guys
[16:08:36] <ciri> hello, nice to see yea! janrinok
[16:08:41] <Ethanol-fueled> shut up ciri
[16:08:47] <janrinok> hello to all (except ciri!)
[16:11:25] <janrinok> Anything exciting happening?
[16:11:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, got a minor issue solved early today in some code then decided to dick off
[16:11:59] <mechanicjay> It's raining where some of us are
[16:12:08] <janrinok> quite right - its the weekend (almost)
[16:12:20] <janrinok> its raining bucket loads here
[16:12:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'raining where i am too. well more misting than raining really.
[16:13:01] <mechanicjay> I'm trying to not end up in a triple nested loop in the thing I'm writing.
[16:13:30] <janrinok> mechanicjay: ...and I take it that you are succeeding?
[16:14:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> feeling the urge for a higher level of blood sugar. yeah, think i need to make that happen soonish.
[16:14:34] <mechanicjay> I've succeeded in eliminating the 3rd loop, don't think I can get around the 2nd, the 2D array I'm working with is just too messy.
[16:17:52] <Blackmoore> huh. I'll keep the snow we have here
[16:18:01] <janrinok> starting the weekend with only a small submissions queue does not bode well for my weekend...
[16:18:25] <janrinok> Blackmoore: deep snow or just the sort of covering that looks nice in pictures?
[16:20:48] <janrinok> She-who-must-be-obeyed calls - be back later
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[16:22:39] <Ethanol-fueled> Janrinok, perhaps I can summon Serp Kannella to stuff some stories in the queue
[16:22:56] <Ethanol-fueled> No guarantees though.
[16:23:30] <Ethanol-fueled> I have a final project going on, and there's also this work thingy I need to eat.
[16:23:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - China Unveils Anti-Drone Laser Weapon able to Shoot Down 'Small Aircraft' within 5 Seconds - http://sylnt.us - anything-you-can-do,-we-can-do-better
[16:23:50] <Blackmoore> m greasy poor raod condition snow.
[16:24:02] <Ethanol-fueled> can help out more during christmas break, though, maybe even with an epic journal or OC submission.
[16:24:19] * Ethanol-fueled will probably never outdo his previous journal, unfortunately.
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[17:13:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> argh, fucking hell, how did mod or post get reenabled?
[17:16:35] <Blackmoore> ?
[17:56:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, it's a poorly named db variable that never made it to the vm
[17:56:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> or dev for that matter
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[18:25:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Blu-ray Region Locks Cracked - for Pre-2014 Players - http://sylnt.us - freeeedom!
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[18:58:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, got that partially working, just gotta make it to where you can't moderate your own comments now.
[18:59:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> do that monday unless the fishing is gonna suck this weekend
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[19:52:34] <chromas> I found this sitting in a browser tab. It'd be kind of amusing if this channel's where I got it from :) http://www.linfo.org
[19:52:35] <NetCraft> ^ 03Andrew Tanenbaum's famous criticism of Linux
[19:53:15] <chromas> "Don`t get me wrong, I am not unhappy with LINUX. It will get all the people who want to turn MINIX in BSD UNIX off my back. But in all honesty, I would suggest that people who want a **MODERN** "free" OS look around for a microkernel-based, portable OS, like maybe GNU or something like that."
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[20:20:22] <crutchy> wholly carp i missed a bit
[20:21:26] <crutchy> tmb, pj is our resident python-wrangler
[20:22:42] <Blackmoore> ah chromas - if i only knew about linux in 92.
[20:22:52] <crutchy> he modified bender to use the new max op in zoo.pl for !uid
[20:25:00] <chromas> python++
[20:25:00] <Bender> karma - python: 4
[20:26:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Uncrackable Encryption Could Secure More Than Weapons - http://sylnt.us - gets-a-glowing-recommendation
[20:31:00] <Blackmoore> !uid
[20:31:01] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4930, owned by MathCampbell
[20:32:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> i just ate a whole can of cranberry sauce
[20:33:21] <chromas> Now I want cranberry sauce
[20:33:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably skip eating a whole can.
[20:33:40] <chromas> I think we have an orange still
[20:35:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> believe i'll have a nap now that my stomach's full
[20:35:48] <chromas> Now that you're totally sauced
[20:41:44] <crutchy> if you eat too much cranberry you might end up being buttsauced
[21:06:02] <Blackmoore> better than being canned.
[21:07:09] <Blackmoore> *sigh* any more customers like i've been getting today; and i might just have to find a way to direct an astroid at this planet.
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[21:15:30] <crutchy> "It was even theorized that some of the more intelligent animals, like chimpanzees, lack human speech, behavior and morals only because no one had ever read to them as children. But how the hell do you test this theory? Luckily, a psychologist named Winthrop Kellogg remembered that it was the 1930s and that he was batshit insane, so he decided to take home a young chimpanzee named Gua and raise it next to his infant son Donald, raising th
[21:15:31] <crutchy> em identically, just to see what would happen."
[21:15:58] <crutchy> classic
[21:16:13] <crutchy> http://www.cracked.com
[21:16:13] <NetCraft> ^ 036 Terrifying Experiments Parents Did on Their Own Kids | Cracked.com
[21:16:48] <chromas> the chimp must be the one who came up with butts cereal
[21:17:42] <crutchy> nah it founded the disney corporation
[21:17:56] <chromas> http://2.bp.blogspot.com
[21:18:42] <crutchy> i ate so many of those as a kid. no wonder my wife tells me i'm full of shit sometimes
[21:19:19] <crutchy> i'm about to eat some crunchy nut cornflakes :D
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[21:46:25] * crutchy should learn how to use a command-line music player so he can drive his desktop (that's connected to the sound system) through ssh
[21:46:46] <crutchy> cos x-forwarding is for hipsters :p
[21:47:15] <crutchy> ~define hipster
[21:47:17] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3hipster: Hipsters are a subculture of men and women typically in their 20's and 30's that value independent thinking, counter-culture, progressive politics, an appreciation of art and indie-rock, creat...
[21:47:41] <crutchy> lol 'progressive politics'. no wonder it has such negative connotations
[21:48:21] <mythterj> Here all this time I thought the only thing hipsters were into was themselves.....
[21:49:23] <crutchy> i thought hipster was just a more politically correct way of calling someone a fag
[21:56:56] <Blackmoore> now now. most hipsters i know are female and straight
[21:57:37] <Blackmoore> of course i see that definition, and i have to add "and adhrere to a groupthink"
[21:57:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - First Country to Legalize Marijuana Votes Against Anti-Weed Presidential Candidate - http://sylnt.us - Uruguay-or-the-HighWay
[21:57:46] <crutchy> straight female hipsters are called feminists :p
[21:58:11] <Blackmoore> :/ I'm sure you dont know who i know
[21:58:31] <crutchy> lol definitely not. sorry dude i was just poking
[21:58:32] <ciri> HEHEHEHE
[21:59:15] <crutchy> i know about as much about hipsters and feminists as i do perl
[21:59:28] <crutchy> three-fifths of fuck all :D
[21:59:33] <Blackmoore> :P
[21:59:45] <swiss> but you use both of them?
[21:59:47] <Blackmoore> it helps that i have kids in thier 20's
[22:00:17] <crutchy> swiss?
[22:00:24] <swiss> crutchy: you use php, and you use hipsters?
[22:00:34] <swiss> Blackmoore: so what you're saying is that some of your kids might be older than me
[22:00:48] <Blackmoore> seems likely.
[22:01:08] <swiss> if you have multiple ones in their 20s, and they're more than 2 years apart, then yes
[22:01:19] <Blackmoore> i'm probably a grey beard here.
[22:01:55] <swiss> i'm younger than the average age in here though
[22:02:17] <Blackmoore> I'm still trying to get the boys to join the site. fer cripes sake one is in college for EE
[22:02:35] <swiss> that's what i did when i was in college
[22:02:37] <crutchy> maybe he thinks we're a bunch of hipsters
[22:02:50] <swiss> crutchy: we're worse: grumpy old people
[22:03:11] <crutchy> i feel like a grumpy old fart
[22:03:37] <swiss> i do when i talk to most people. You guys make me feel normal though.
[22:04:25] <crutchy> i'm not sure php would qualify as a hipster anguage anymore cos too many people use it. hipsters don't like using the same tools as the unwashed masses
[22:04:31] <Blackmoore> Meh - i dont give a damn about age
[22:04:50] <Blackmoore> what i want to associate with are intelegent people
[22:04:56] <swiss> I use the hipster language
[22:04:59] <swiss> I use golang
[22:05:03] <Blackmoore> i have to talk at stupid all day
[22:05:20] <Blackmoore> i thought brainfuck was hipster.
[22:05:24] <crutchy> Blackmoore, i should prolly be kickbanned then
[22:05:57] <Blackmoore> crutchy: at times i'd get badden myself.
[22:06:00] <swiss> i talk to moderately intelligent all day, but only cause I fight to stay in the right places (read: not management) at my job
[22:06:17] <Blackmoore> banned.
[22:06:23] <Blackmoore> cripes i cant type
[22:07:33] <swiss> i might say that haskell is hipster
[22:07:40] <crutchy> yeah
[22:07:46] <crutchy> and maybe ruby
[22:07:47] <Blackmoore> yeah. i can see that
[22:07:56] <swiss> ruby has too much of a following with RoR
[22:08:07] <swiss> however, those that use ruby and bash on ruby on rails... that might be hipster
[22:08:10] <crutchy> yeah more popular than haskell
[22:08:15] <crutchy> lol
[22:08:19] <swiss> "I LIKED RUBY BEFORE RAILS"
[22:08:36] <crutchy> chicks and trains don't mix
[22:08:38] <Blackmoore> better start handing out thos lousy thick frammed glasses
[22:08:53] <swiss> and start growin the moustache
[22:09:26] <crutchy> we should invent our own hipster language
[22:10:41] <crutchy> it should borrow from only the best bits of brainfuck, bash, perl and cobol, and have whitespace rules like python
[22:10:49] <crutchy> :p
[22:10:50] <Blackmoore> ouch
[22:11:11] <Blackmoore> I will never write in cobol again thank you
[22:11:44] <crutchy> writing in hex is prolly retro-hipster
[22:11:56] <Blackmoore> Asembly for the win
[22:12:49] <crutchy> delphi prolly was hipster, but freepascal/lazarus brought it to the unwashed masses :p
[22:12:54] <Blackmoore> you aren't really getting the feel for programming unless you are up to your armpits in addressing and stack commands
[22:14:17] <crutchy> microcontrollers are still good for that
[22:14:46] <crutchy> i did a little asm for an atmega128
[22:15:35] <crutchy> prolly not as diehard as the asm of old though
[22:17:01] <Blackmoore> (and no. i really dont WANT to program in ASM again either)
[22:17:24] <Blackmoore> ... i wasnt particularrily good at that
[22:17:54] <crutchy> i'm not very good at it either
[22:20:12] <swiss> and you have to use REX rather than sed or awk for text manipulation
[22:21:08] <swiss> https://bugzil.la
[22:21:08] <NetCraft> ^ 03302 Found ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org )
[22:30:13] <Blackmoore> heheheheheheehehe a real hipster write thier own text editr in ASM.
[22:30:42] <Blackmoore> i'm only laughing because i'm cryiong inside.. i did that back in the 80s
[22:30:59] <Blackmoore> it was awful
[22:31:13] <crutchy> pffft asm... it'll never catch on. real programmers make their own core rope!
[22:32:01] <Blackmoore> mm. heres what a couple hundred miles of copper wire and donut magnets can do
[22:32:55] <Landon> don't hate on the haskell :(
[22:33:00] <Landon> I'm having too much fun with it
[22:33:28] <Blackmoore> (http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/core.html
[22:33:28] <NetCraft> ^ 03Core Memory
[22:36:18] <swiss> Landon: just sayin it's hipster
[22:36:36] <Landon> depends on intent
[22:36:37] <Landon> :)
[22:36:38] <crutchy> i was redefining the word 'hipster' to mean anyone that uses any programming language that i don't use :p
[22:37:19] <Landon> <-- learning haskell to expand his mindgoo
[22:37:28] <Landon> not to show off my haskellsembly on hn :X
[22:37:31] <Landon> have you guys seen that yet?
[22:37:46] <Landon> " In a move that is sure to scare off both high-level and low-level programmers" very apt
[22:37:51] <Landon> http://wall.org
[22:37:52] <NetCraft> ^ 03An ASM Monad
[22:44:53] <crutchy> you and arti should talk
[22:46:33] <crutchy> but when will perl be implemented in this hasksembly?
[22:47:05] <crutchy> or gcc
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[22:56:39] <Blackmoore> it will be in the next systemd update i'm sure
[22:58:09] <swiss> the ones that are super hipster are the ones that learn their haskell to do their xmonad
[22:59:35] <crutchy> need a bot that does systemd++ whenever systemd is mentioned :p
[23:00:06] <crutchy> and ciri++ whenever ciri is mentioned
[23:00:47] <crutchy> and coffee++ whenever anyone uses the letter e :D
[23:00:59] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[23:00:59] <Bender> karma - coffee: 902
[23:01:07] <swiss> coffee--
[23:01:07] <Bender> karma - tea: 316
[23:01:10] <swiss> :(
[23:01:16] <swiss> sabotaged hardcore
[23:01:18] <swiss> --coffee
[23:01:18] <NetCraft> Karma - coffee: 192
[23:01:26] <swiss> --coffee
[23:01:26] <NetCraft> Karma - coffee: 191
[23:01:29] <swiss> oh, that one works!
[23:01:37] <Blackmoore> alright. weekend for me; have a good one
[23:01:43] <crutchy> chromas is a purist :)
[23:01:52] <crutchy> ciao Blackmoore
[23:01:53] <swiss> that one was sabotaged before iirc
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[23:02:14] <crutchy> it can prolly be sabotaged on the fly, unlike bender
[23:02:31] <crutchy> NetCraft has irc control super-powahs
[23:02:42] <crutchy> not sure if i have powahs though
[23:02:52] <crutchy> =set karma.coffee=9999
[23:02:52] <NetCraft> ## Error in cell reference: missing hive name
[23:02:57] <crutchy> lol
[23:02:57] <ciri> rofl
[23:03:17] <crutchy> its protected by my stupid at least
[23:03:50] <crutchy> ooh maybe its a slash
[23:03:55] <crutchy> =set karma/coffee=9999
[23:03:55] <NetCraft> You require additional permissions for karma/coffee=9999
[23:03:59] <crutchy> ha
[23:04:09] <crutchy> chromas++
[23:04:09] <Bender> karma - chromas: 57
[23:05:44] <swiss> anyone used a Countour +2 action camera?
[23:05:57] <crutchy> is that kinda like a gopro?
[23:07:02] <swiss> yeah
[23:07:12] <swiss> it will play nice with my new snowboarding goggles
[23:08:00] <crutchy> ooh you can get a waterproof housing for it rated to 60m
[23:08:06] <crutchy> noice
[23:08:53] <crutchy> digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au has a free freight offer atm
[23:09:14] <swiss> it's $275 on amazon
[23:11:43] <crutchy> http://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au
[23:11:44] <NetCraft> ^ 03GoPro HERO | Digital Camera Warehouse
[23:12:00] <crutchy> gopro hero is only $170
[23:12:11] <crutchy> so that means its prolly US$40
[23:12:24] <swiss> lol
[23:12:29] <swiss> the hero is the old old old version
[23:12:36] <swiss> current one is Hero 3+ or hero 4 or something
[23:12:48] <swiss> the contour is a lot better than the hero
[23:13:02] <crutchy> contour was AU$480 though
[23:13:06] <swiss> also, the contour is the one that will hook into my snowboard goggles' software
[23:14:55] <crutchy> hero4 silver is similar price to the contour +2
[23:15:11] <crutchy> but only waterproof to 40m
[23:20:38] <paulej72> Hello all.
[23:20:42] <paulej72> What’s up
[23:23:31] <crutchy> ~gday paulej72
[23:23:32] * exec cohesively postulates a wine flute of beer towards paulej72
[23:23:46] <crutchy> we're all turning hipster
[23:24:01] <crutchy> even the bots
[23:24:16] <paulej72> !bier
[23:24:16] * Bender tapt een glas witbier voor paulej72
[23:25:35] <crutchy> there was some rambling about whether bender could auto-grab a line before a nograb
[23:26:11] <crutchy> mainly for Konomi >:-D
[23:26:14] <paulej72> anything is possible
[23:26:30] <crutchy> you're the local python-wrangleer
[23:27:39] <paulej72> have not looked at how bender saves what people said, if it just one big log, it would be easy to have !grab konomi 2, which would grab not the most recet line, but one line previously
[23:28:46] <paulej72> just because I fixed one of bender’s modules does not make me a python wrangler, espcially when no one in there righ mind would say I am packing a python in my pants.
[23:28:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Anonymous Calls for Attacks Against Pandodaily Writers Over Tor Reporting - http://sylnt.us - follow-the-money
[23:30:39] <crutchy> hmm. only those packing pythons in their pants would claim not to be packing a python in their pants
[23:31:10] <crutchy> paulej72 is the messiah! here is his python!
[23:31:25] <crutchy> we must follow it
[23:31:46] -!- x0908d3b2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[23:31:57] <crutchy> all the way to the juniper bush next to the swearing guy's hole
[23:32:07] <paulej72> if only, I could get a job in porn
[23:32:18] <crutchy> !grab paulej72
[23:32:18] <Bender> Added quote 304
[23:32:51] <paulej72> !todo remove embarassing quotes from Bender’s db
[23:32:51] <Bender> todo item 9 added
[23:33:22] <swiss> lolol
[23:33:27] <swiss> !quote 304
[23:33:31] <swiss> hmm
[23:33:35] <swiss> !q 304
[23:33:50] <paulej72> !quote 304
[23:33:50] <Bender> Quote 304 - <paulej72> if only, I could get a job in porn
[23:33:54] <crutchy> that's ok. grep !grab in about 50-odd other logs will reveal it again :D
[23:34:00] <swiss> why didn't he listen to me
[23:34:10] <swiss> !todo But someone else to make bender less bad at things
[23:34:53] <paulej72> I blame it on juggs, he messed with the voicing of plebes in this channel
[23:35:10] <paulej72> !voice swiss
[23:35:10] <Bender> setting voice on [u'swiss']
[23:35:14] <Bender> done - voice
[23:35:16] <swiss> woo
[23:35:21] <paulej72> try it now
[23:35:24] <swiss> !quote 304
[23:35:31] <swiss> didn't work
[23:35:41] <crutchy> reverse psychology
[23:35:54] <swiss> 403 etouq!
[23:36:05] <crutchy> you have to !devoice for it to work :p
[23:36:36] -!- x0908d3b2 [x0908d3b2!~quassel@2605:ea00:1:j::qvto:oymn] has joined #Soylent
[23:36:47] <crutchy> exec just has an ignore list
[23:36:55] <paulej72> not sure what the problem., lets blam juggs and make him fix it
[23:37:09] <crutchy> commence the blamming!
[23:37:25] * crutchy hurls the first blam
[23:37:53] <crutchy> are there any women here?
[23:38:36] <paulej72> Konomi is logged in, but not sure if she is here
[23:38:53] <crutchy> women aren't allowed at blamming
[23:39:22] <paulej72> and the proper question is: “Is the woman here?” we only have one
[23:39:42] <crutchy> we only permit feminine men with fake beards
[23:40:31] <paulej72> hey, I resemble that remark
[23:40:50] <crutchy> !grab paulej72
[23:40:50] <Bender> Added quote 305
[23:42:06] <crutchy> !voice crutchy
[23:42:33] <crutchy> !buttsniff crutchy
[23:43:57] <crutchy> .voice crutchy
[23:44:10] <crutchy> must be chan-specific
[23:44:58] <mrcoolbp> .voice crutchy
[23:44:58] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v crutchy] by juggler
[23:45:04] <crutchy> noooo!
[23:45:06] <mrcoolbp> works for me
[23:45:11] <mrcoolbp> whaaaaa?
[23:45:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> hahaha! one of us, one of us.
[23:45:29] <crutchy> i like being in the middle. i'm the meat in the soylent sammich
[23:45:31] <crutchy> .devoice
[23:45:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> quick, give him an email before he runs
[23:45:34] <mrcoolbp> .devoice crutchy
[23:45:34] -!- mode/#Soylent [-v crutchy] by juggler
[23:45:37] <mrcoolbp> jeez sorry
[23:45:39] <mrcoolbp> = )
[23:45:41] <crutchy> lol
[23:45:41] <ciri> i don't think it's that funny lol
[23:46:02] <crutchy> ~gday mrcoolbp
[23:46:03] * exec prematurely cracks open a toilet bowl of spew for mrcoolbp
[23:46:09] <crutchy> :/
[23:46:11] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: we are trying to figure out why bender is ignoring the plebes
[23:46:17] <mrcoolbp> !todo
[23:46:17] <Bender> todo for mrcoolbp: 1) make sure someone else has privs on every system 2) contact StarTrek Reboot orgs 3) social-media/user recruitment strategy 4) make helpful graphics for editing interface 5) site redesign contest 6) ask NCommander if we still need all-staff meetings 7) badges for # of accepted submissions 8) warrant canary 9) hammer linode for a better deal
[23:46:25] <mrcoolbp> working for me and damn that list is old
[23:46:25] <paulej72> .voice crutchy
[23:46:25] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v crutchy] by juggler
[23:46:37] <mrcoolbp> try now crutchy
[23:46:42] <crutchy> .devoice
[23:46:47] -!- crutchy [crutchy!~crutchy@709-27-2-01.cust.aussiebb.net] has parted #Soylent
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[23:46:51] <mrcoolbp> rofl
[23:46:52] <ciri> lol damn!
[23:46:58] <crutchy> :D
[23:47:20] <mrcoolbp> crutchy he was trying to test if you had access to the bot
[23:47:24] <mrcoolbp> .deop
[23:47:24] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o mrcoolbp] by juggler
[23:47:29] <mrcoolbp> !karma coffee
[23:47:29] <Bender> karma of coffee is 902
[23:47:41] <mrcoolbp> .devoice
[23:47:41] -!- mode/#Soylent [-v mrcoolbp] by juggler
[23:47:43] <mrcoolbp> !karma coffee
[23:47:43] <Bender> karma of coffee is 902
[23:47:53] * mrcoolbp shrugs
[23:48:06] <crutchy> it said i'm not authorized to perform this operation and that ciri likes Konomi
[23:48:41] <crutchy> and that justin beiber is pretty shit
[23:49:04] <crutchy> and that it had an itchy assctl
[23:49:32] <crutchy> i offered to scratch it but juggler declined