#Soylent | Logs for 2014-12-11

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[00:47:02] <SpallsHurgenson> alright, added the 42" tv as another monitor to this computer... now all of you look so much BIGGER
[00:49:08] <SpallsHurgenson> (except crutchy... somehow he looks smaller)
[00:59:08] <Leebert> NO KIDDING? HOW MUCH BIGGER?
[00:59:33] <SpallsHurgenson> too big! too big! your words just exploded my screen!
[01:24:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Not to be Random - http://sylnt.us - select-now()
[01:45:53] <Konomi> https://i.imgur.com
[01:47:20] <SpallsHurgenson> well, there's a bit less neon blue and I've a nicer chair... but that's pretty much my office :)
[01:47:28] <Konomi> https://i.imgur.com
[01:47:30] <Konomi> sure it isn't this?
[01:47:43] <juggs> There may be a disturbance in the SN force imminently - do not be alarmed - it will have been caused by me throwing chairs around - service will resume as normal soon enough
[01:48:07] <CoolHand> ok bobby knight..
[01:48:19] <SpallsHurgenson> too many phones. phones are evil. I avoid phones as best I can.
[01:49:48] <juggs> I wish I had time to look up the Bobby Knight ref
[01:54:52] <SpallsHurgenson> it's a sports thing, so as a geek you are fundamentally unable to understand it :)
[01:59:13] <SpallsHurgenson> of course, I had to look it up too :)
[02:02:35] <Konomi> oping is neat wish I'd knew about it sooner
[02:06:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> never heard of it
[02:08:32] <Konomi> http://noping.cc
[02:08:33] <NetCraft> ^ 03octo's ping library
[02:10:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh
[02:14:16] <Konomi> ha
[02:14:27] <Konomi> soylent and pipedot are on the same first two octets
[02:15:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, both linode machines i spose then
[02:16:06] <Konomi> http://i.minus.com
[02:23:42] <SpallsHurgenson> the joy of ping
[02:30:03] <SpallsHurgenson> if konomi enjoys ping this much, I can't imagine what will happen when she discovers traceroutes :)
[02:30:15] <Konomi> already got that in another tab ;p
[02:30:53] * juggs fingers
[02:31:10] <juggs> Hey - it's how we used to get our email >.>
[02:39:11] <SirFinkus> or pathping
[02:39:16] <SpallsHurgenson> I can't remember the last time I had a .finger file to update
[02:39:16] <SirFinkus> but I think that's a windows tool
[02:39:26] <SpallsHurgenson> I barely remember anything about it
[02:39:33] <SpallsHurgenson> I should look up fingering on the internet
[02:39:53] <SirFinkus> do an imagesearch, there are tons of infographics on it
[02:40:07] <chromas> !blockgrab 2
[02:40:09] <chromas> :(
[02:40:48] <SpallsHurgenson> back in the day, my peers always preferred to use talk
[02:45:12] <Leebert> You know, the biggest benefit that my company could offer they could do tomorrow for no cost... That benefit is not making me do stupid-ass self-appraisals for performance reviews.
[02:45:30] <Leebert> I'd consider taking that benefit over a raise...
[02:45:33] <juggs> SirFinkus, yeh it was an Exchange server back in the days of dial up
[02:45:45] <SirFinkus> pathping?
[02:46:06] <SirFinkus> http://technet.microsoft.com
[02:46:08] <NetCraft> ^ 03PathPing
[02:46:09] <SirFinkus> what I was walking about
[02:46:18] <SpallsHurgenson> self-appraisals suck... but I hate doing employee appraisals more.
[02:47:28] <SirFinkus> you could probably build something similar using *nix tools and some piping and redirect wizardry
[02:47:28] <SpallsHurgenson> especially when they set limits as to what and how many of each ranks I can hand out. fuck you, HR!
[02:47:32] <Leebert> Those are necessary, though. Me talking about how I think I did is pointless; what I think doesn't matter.
[02:47:43] <juggs> SirFinkus, finger command - used to finger from the exchange server to the mail ISP to get it to disgorge
[02:47:56] <SirFinkus> well, finger is fun
[02:48:31] <SirFinkus> like, finger, man, mount, and fsck are my favorite utilities
[02:50:04] <SirFinkus> oh, grep is another good one
[02:50:07] <juggs> I doubt finger is used much these days, made sense when running mta's over intermittent connections I guess
[02:50:14] <SpallsHurgenson> forgot unzip, strip, touch, more, more, more, umount and sleep :)
[02:50:39] <chromas> SirFinkus: for Linux we've got mtr and stuff
[02:51:09] <SirFinkus> oh fuck, those are all great SpallsHurgenson
[02:51:41] <SirFinkus> can't make sexy jokes with mtr though, unless your mind is dirtier than mine chromas
[02:51:51] <SpallsHurgenson> gawk, gasp, find, whereis, init, expand, make clean :)
[02:52:25] <chromas> there's always room for more dirt
[02:55:38] <Leebert> I prefer "watch"
[02:59:39] <SirFinkus> oooh, that's fun
[03:05:38] <SpallsHurgenson> unix is naughty!
[03:13:37] <SirFinkus> guitar is pretty naughty too, I just fingered a minor and noticed I had to loosen the g string first
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[03:19:14] <Ethanol-fueled> I just begged a girl i stopped seeing on bad terms to be my girlfriend.
[03:19:33] <Ethanol-fueled> It was pretty pathetic. But hindsight 20/20 etc.
[03:19:44] * Ethanol-fueled steps out for some coffee++
[03:20:11] <SirFinkus> seems like a bad plan, you guys probably broke up for a reason the first time
[03:22:44] <SirFinkus> not that I'm an expert, I am in an irc channel devoted to tech news
[03:22:52] <SirFinkus> or, in an IRC channel
[03:27:25] <Leebert> hehe... I'm going to terrify our HR people by going all "TMI" in my "self goals"
[03:27:29] <Leebert> That'll learn 'em
[03:28:46] <Leebert> "You put MEDICAL INFORMATION in your performance appraisal???"
[03:29:21] <SpallsHurgenson> HR people have no sense of humor...
[03:29:25] <SpallsHurgenson> and no ability to learn
[03:31:10] <SpallsHurgenson> the accounting department is a laugh-riot in comparison
[03:31:48] <Leebert> Well, I don't know if I actually did this convoluted mess correctly. But I really don't care.
[03:34:28] <SpallsHurgenson> the thing is, your manager probably doesn't really care if you fuck it up either. :)
[03:35:03] <Leebert> Yup. Told him flat out he's getting absolutely the minimum effort from me on this.
[03:35:46] <Ethanol-fueled> We just did performance reviews. I'm the only one who got a raise. Me and the crazy guy who threatened to shoot the place up :)
[03:35:54] <Konomi> looking for head programming manager solution analyst
[03:36:00] <Konomi> must have 2 years experience in back flips
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[03:39:27] <SpallsHurgenson> acrobatic ability is a much undervalued ability in IT hires
[03:40:25] <Leebert> Well, I can't do acrobatics, but I did have a tradition of spending a while on Black Friday pushing one of my diminuitive female co-workers up and down the raised floor hallway at high speed.
[03:40:43] <SpallsHurgenson> o_0
[03:40:55] <Leebert> Alas, they remodeled and said floor is now carpeted. And said co-worker moved on to another job.
[03:41:00] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm probably getting a totally wrong image out of that comment :)
[03:41:16] <Leebert> Quite likely.
[03:41:29] <Leebert> you dirty old man, you.
[03:42:35] <SpallsHurgenson> yes, yes I am
[03:46:46] <Konomi> dirty dirty boy
[03:46:49] <Konomi> nograbs
[03:57:31] <Leebert> You know, I really have to get over this Arik guy posting everything in monospace. Every time I see it it makes me angry.
[03:57:34] <Leebert> OCD, I guess.
[03:57:58] <Leebert> Have resisted the urge to take out the annoyance via moderation... barely.
[03:59:37] <Konomi> that just makes me skip over their posts
[03:59:59] <Konomi> they think they're being cute but it just causes me and I bet others to ignore what they type
[04:00:01] <Leebert> exactly.
[04:00:16] <Leebert> I do exactly the same thing. I won't read his posts or any replies to his posts.
[04:00:26] <Leebert> Admittedly maybe a bit childish.
[04:00:36] <SirFinkus> ｌｉｋｅ　ｔｈｉs?
[04:00:47] <Leebert> Konomi: did you hear something? :)
[04:00:59] <Konomi> nope ~
[04:05:16] <SirFinkus> ｆｕｌｌ＿ｗｉｄｔｈ＿ｃｈａｒａｃｔｅｒｓ++
[04:05:31] <SirFinkus> ｌａｍｅ
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[04:18:04] * juggs forgot Gary Moore - old_music_archives
[04:18:20] <juggs> mpd++
[04:18:20] <Bender> karma - mpd: 6
[04:26:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - LA Mayor Proposes Earthquake Retrofits on Thousands of Buildings - http://sylnt.us - shake-rattle-and-roll
[04:30:00] <SpallsHurgenson> or - and this is just me talking off the top of my head - we could just let LA sink beneath the sea
[04:32:21] <juggs> says the king of the hill :P
[04:45:15] <Leebert> Or, we could close the 405... permanently.
[04:45:35] <Leebert> that would be worse than letting it sink beneath the sea.
[05:02:58] <SpallsHurgenson> you know how people are worried that the just-released "torture report" might put American lives at risk?
[05:02:58] <SpallsHurgenson> I think these two guys should be at the head of that list
[05:02:58] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.vanityfair.com
[05:02:59] <NetCraft> ^ 03The Psychologists Who Taught the C.I.A. How to Torture (and Charged $180 Million) | Vanity Fair
[05:05:06] <SirFinkus> the UN wants them arrested, which limits vacation destinations I'd hope
[05:07:23] * juggs rustles - not more I can do being in the UK
[05:07:38] <juggs> much*
[05:11:02] <SirFinkus> the sad part is, there's not much I can do being in the US, since these agencies answer to no one
[05:11:30] <SirFinkus> they just do whatever the fuck they want, and lie about it to congress
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[05:12:50] <SpallsHurgenson> which has ever been a problem with governments, of any nation.
[05:13:54] <SpallsHurgenson> there has always been the politicos at top, and the vast bureaucracy beneath, and the two rarely worked hand-in-hand
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[05:15:26] <SpallsHurgenson> controlling the bureaucracy is possible, but it requires the bravery to focus on long-term goals that can have negative short-term results, and few politicians - especially in the media-focussed west - are willing to show that sort of backbone
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[05:17:17] <SpallsHurgenson> want to force an agency to heel? Fire all its top staffers and slash its budgets. It won't make them a willing servant, but will make them more wary of crossing official policy and limit how much they can do
[05:21:59] <juggs> SirFinkus, you seem angry
[05:22:20] <SirFinkus> slightly
[05:28:08] <juggs> SirFinkus, all we can do here is LibreNews
[05:29:26] <Konomi> https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net
[05:30:36] <SpallsHurgenson> what's the purpose of all those skybridges? Especially the semi-erect one in the background :)
[05:30:40] <juggs> Thanks Konomi - another vague image from some CDN
[05:30:56] <Konomi> \o/
[05:33:15] * juggs pokes Konomi in the eye for no reason at all
[05:35:52] <SpallsHurgenson> <sigh> today's snowfall is melting away. why do you leave me, snow? stay and whiten my world!
[05:36:38] <chromas> I wish we had some snow
[05:36:51] <juggs> ~weather
[05:36:52] <chromas> it's in the 60s again. I blame global warming
[05:36:53] <exec> Weather for London, UK - currently 44°F / 7°C, scattered clouds, humidity 100% - Thursday partly cloudy (45°F-47°F / 7°C-8°C), Friday rain (34°F-48°F / 1°C-9°C), Saturday clear (33°F-41°F / 1°C-5°C), Sunday chance of showers (40°F-48°F / 4°C-9°C) - source: Google
[05:36:54] <SpallsHurgenson> hands off, this is MY snow!
[05:38:20] * SpallsHurgenson scoops all the snow he can into his living room
[05:39:04] * juggs gifts SpallsHurgenson a pistemaker2000 snow blower
[05:39:16] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm... I may not have given this plan all the forethought it deserved
[05:39:59] * juggs goes to bed
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[05:42:09] <SpallsHurgenson> may your bed be warm, your sleep unbroken, and someone in it to comfort you :)
[05:43:19] <SirFinkus> ~weather
[05:43:21] <exec> Weather for Olympia, WA, USA - currently 49°F / 9°C, partly cloudy, wind W at 4 mph, humidity 73% - Wednesday rain (45°F-62°F / 7°C-17°C), Thursday rain (43°F-54°F / 6°C-12°C), Friday showers (39°F-52°F / 4°C-11°C), Saturday mostly cloudy (34°F-50°F / 1°C-10°C) - source: Google
[05:43:35] <SpallsHurgenson> ~whether
[05:43:59] <SpallsHurgenson> damn, now how will I decide?
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[05:50:58] <crutchy> Konomi, thats an awesome pic
[05:51:25] * Konomi nod nods
[05:52:03] * crutchy wishes we had steel and glass canyons in australia
[05:52:17] <SpallsHurgenson> they are really quite neat
[05:52:53] <SpallsHurgenson> of course, as a resident I am obligated to NOT look up and stare at them with wonder like a common tourist... but I still do so out of the corner of my eye :)
[05:53:41] <crutchy> closest thing we got is maybe collins st in melbourne and george st in sydney, but they don't look anything like that pic
[05:54:53] <SpallsHurgenson> I prefered the Jose Borges image Konomi posted earlier this evening...
[05:55:22] <SpallsHurgenson> (even if most of his stuff does look like Halo rip-offs :) http://www.artstation.com
[05:55:23] <NetCraft> ^ 03ArtStation - Jose Borges
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[06:04:43] <ar> moin
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[06:05:45] <crutchy> ooh linode has ssd hosting
[06:05:55] <ar> yup
[06:06:12] * SpallsHurgenson starts mopping up the drool
[06:07:10] <crutchy> we could use visual basic for slashcode now :p
[06:07:28] * SpallsHurgenson starts mopping up the vomit
[06:16:34] <crutchy> http://www.alexa.com
[06:16:36] <NetCraft> ^ 03soylentnews.org Site Overview
[06:20:22] <crutchy> heh. http://www.google.com.au
[06:20:23] <NetCraft> ^ 03Google Trends
[06:22:27] <SpallsHurgenson> poor slashdot; no wonder Dice is so desperate
[06:24:18] <crutchy> lol http://www.google.com.au
[06:24:19] <NetCraft> ^ 03Google Trends
[06:24:19] <ciri> HEHEHEHE
[06:24:29] <SirFinkus> ciri++
[06:24:29] <Bender> karma - ciri: -30
[06:26:09] <SirFinkus> I can't help thinking that ciri has some kind of crazy machine learning algorithm that is analyzing our messages and feedback to become more human
[06:26:15] <SirFinkus> but that's crazy talk
[06:26:44] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, you might think that until you actually read what it says.
[06:26:57] <crutchy> what are you talking about? ciri is human!?
[06:27:03] <SirFinkus> give it a few months
[06:27:26] <SpallsHurgenson> ciri gives me hope that humanity will survive the AI wars :)
[06:28:14] <chromas> ciri thinks I'm a robot
[06:28:23] <crutchy> does wp mean something in polish?
[06:28:27] <chromas> <ciri> chromas: Gee i wonder if we hid everything behind phoney courtesies and euphemisms we'd be kinda slow on the wrong thing, i mean, are you a robot.
[06:28:38] <crutchy> ~translate pl en wp
[06:28:39] <exec> [google translate] en wp (auto -> pl): w WP
[06:28:49] <crutchy> derp
[06:29:11] <crutchy> ~help ~translate
[06:29:20] <exec> ~translate tolang text (auto-detects source lang, eg: ~translate en prueba)
[06:29:20] <exec> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[06:29:44] <crutchy> ah
[06:29:55] <crutchy> ~translate-sl pl en wp
[06:29:56] <exec> [google translate] wp (pl -> en): wp
[06:30:00] <crutchy> pffft
[06:32:01] <ar> crutchy: hm?
[06:32:15] <ar> crutchy: "wp" doesn't mean anything
[06:32:20] <chromas> what. "Which search keywords send traffic to this site?" "the frappening torrent 12.04%"
[06:32:44] <ar> crutchy: WP is just one of the oldest news portals in poland
[06:32:51] <ar> http://www.wp.pl
[06:32:53] <NetCraft> ^ 03Wirtualna Polska - Wszystko co ważne - www.wp.pl
[06:32:59] <crutchy> i clicked on the wp link @ http://www.google.com.au and everywhere was basically white except dark blue poland
[06:32:59] <NetCraft> ^ 03Google Trends
[06:33:08] <crutchy> ah maybe that's it
[06:34:02] <crutchy> soylent is popular with frappers
[06:38:05] * SpallsHurgenson looks worriedly at his ceiling... I hear dripping water
[06:38:58] <crutchy> someone's pissing on your roof
[06:53:43] * SpallsHurgenson mentally prepares himself for what will doubtlessly end up being a months long fight with the insurance company
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[07:43:39] <ar> https://medium.com
[07:43:40] <NetCraft> ^ 03Unnatural Selection — The Nib — Medium
[07:44:15] <Konomi> is that like when we vote for politicans ;p ?
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[07:44:31] <ar> Konomi: [click]
[07:44:46] <ar> Konomi: this has nothing to do with elections
[07:45:15] <SpallsHurgenson> I now have two waterfalls coming down from my ceiling. my home has become very avant garde
[07:45:26] <Konomi> strait over your head ar ;p
[07:45:51] <SpallsHurgenson> about 3 feet away from the file server, actually :)
[07:46:25] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: any way you can blame it on the cats?
[07:46:28] <chromas> or systemd?
[07:46:30] <SirFinkus> ouch
[07:47:04] * Konomi gives SpallsHurgenson some floaties
[07:47:05] <SpallsHurgenson> got a big trash can beneath it; its filling at about 1-2" (2-5 cm) every half hour...
[07:47:25] <chromas> water cooled server
[07:48:48] <SpallsHurgenson> \technically\, I should be able to get a few hours sleep without worrying about overflow... but \technically\ isn't actually helping me fall asleep :)
[07:49:01] <Konomi> screw sleep save the servers \o/
[07:49:09] <ar> SpallsHurgenson: are you on the top floor, or is there someone living above you?
[07:49:21] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm on the penultimate floor :)
[07:49:37] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: use signed short garbage cans
[07:49:50] <SpallsHurgenson> chromas: lol lol
[07:49:51] <ar> SpallsHurgenson: also, raise servers from the ground
[07:50:01] <SpallsHurgenson> servers are about two inches above ground....
[07:50:09] <ar> (and anything else electrical)
[07:50:52] <ar> erm, everything*
[07:50:56] <SpallsHurgenson> the water would have to fill up about three feet of barrel and then flood two inches of floor. so that should be safe. hopefully. technically.
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[07:53:39] <SpallsHurgenson> I should record all this dripping water. it's very fractal white noise and under other circumstances would probably help me fall asleep :)
[08:00:37] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:00:37] <Bender> karma - tea: 308
[08:00:38] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:00:38] <Bender> karma - tea: 309
[08:00:59] <SpallsHurgenson> JamesNZ is persistent, I'll give him that :)
[08:01:05] <crutchy> you baaaaad man
[08:01:09] * JamesNZ bows humbly
[08:01:23] <SpallsHurgenson> might not be very bright, but definitely persistent :) :) :) :)
[08:01:25] <JamesNZ> coffee-- # We shall never surrender!
[08:01:25] <Bender> karma - tea: 310
[08:01:27] <JamesNZ> :P
[08:01:41] * chromas wasn't aware Australians loved tea so much
[08:01:48] <crutchy> ciri++
[08:01:48] <Bender> karma - ciri: -29
[08:01:50] <crutchy> ciri++
[08:01:50] <Bender> karma - ciri: -28
[08:01:58] * JamesNZ whacks chromas with a water tank
[08:02:03] <crutchy> :D
[08:02:07] <chromas> >:)
[08:02:09] <chromas> ciri++ now there's something we can all agree on
[08:02:09] <Bender> karma - ciri: -27
[08:02:58] <crutchy> JamesNZ shall henceforth be known as ahlaarvslimdusty
[08:03:15] <JamesNZ> Wat?
[08:03:22] <SpallsHurgenson> very sage words indeed, crutchy
[08:03:39] JamesNZ is now known as ahlaarvslimdusty
[08:03:48] <chromas> It's a New Zealand thing, you wouldn't understand
[08:03:50] <ahlaarvslimdusty> As requested ;)
[08:04:08] <SpallsHurgenson> truly, crutchy is a prophet who walks amongst us
[08:04:12] <chromas> /nick JamesNA
[08:04:18] <chromas> s/A/Z/
[08:04:18] <sedctl> <chromas> /nick JamesNZ
[08:05:09] <ahlaarvslimdusty> Some other dude calls me James Adams.
[08:05:35] <chromas> He doesn't seem the NZ?
[08:06:23] chromas is now known as JimAU
[08:06:25] <ahlaarvslimdusty> I'm sure he did, he's just kidding :)
[08:06:41] <ahlaarvslimdusty> Of course, the name is Bond. James Bond.
[08:06:42] * JimAU assumes everyone can see your nick, even in real life :)
[08:06:43] crutchy is now known as AhkeepMyteefinaJahbesidabed
[08:06:50] <ahlaarvslimdusty> XD
[08:07:28] * SpallsHurgenson reads the nick
[08:07:33] * SpallsHurgenson re-reads the nick
[08:07:39] * SpallsHurgenson re-re-reads the nick
[08:07:41] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, I get it
[08:07:55] <JimAU> it's the Spanish accent that gets ya
[08:08:48] * ahlaarvslimdusty tips the jah over
[08:09:24] <SpallsHurgenson> Spanish accent? You've never actually met anyone with a spanish accent, have you :) :)
[08:10:34] <JimAU> Oh look, we can get digital clock rings now: http://www.damngeeky.com
[08:10:36] <NetCraft> ^ 03MOTA to debut its hi-tech wearable SmartRing at IFA, Berlin
[08:12:06] <SpallsHurgenson> to recharge, just stick finger into wall outlet for thirty seconds. ignore smell of burning hair.
[08:12:52] * JimAU sets his ring to vibrate
[08:13:04] <SpallsHurgenson> do NOT do what I know you are about to do
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[08:14:40] <JimAU> You're right, I should try to make it last longer. As long as the uptime isn't more than four hours
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[08:17:02] <SpallsHurgenson> my cat is fascinated by my in-room waterfall
[08:17:44] <JimAU> hiss master plan has only just begun
[08:28:37] <ahlaarvslimdusty> Be on your guard SpallsHurgenson.
[08:28:38] <ciri> me too, smoke time! ahlaarvslimdusty
[08:28:50] <ahlaarvslimdusty> ciri-- # Shut up ciri.
[08:28:50] <Bender> karma - ciri: -28
[08:31:22] <MecarsAbitrusty> ciri++ # ahlaarvslimdusty too
[08:31:22] <Bender> karma - ciri: -27
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[11:26:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:26:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 899
[11:38:50] <ar> https://medium.com
[11:38:51] <NetCraft> ^ 03Medium
[11:38:53] <ar> tea++
[11:38:53] <Bender> karma - tea: 311
[11:40:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> You're right, no human being would stack books this way.
[11:40:39] <ar> These are not mere books
[11:40:46] <ar> That's a code printout
[11:41:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[11:41:41] <NetCraft> ^ 03library ghost - YouTube
[11:42:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads, that's almost big enough to be slash
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[12:05:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> having connection issues, Tachyon_?
[12:08:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.techdirt.com
[12:08:19] <NetCraft> ^ 03Google Pulls Out The Nuclear Option: Shuts Down Google News In Spain Over Ridiculous Copyright Law | Techdirt
[12:16:48] <crutchy> php_serialize++ # for proper handling of recursive references
[12:16:48] <Bender> karma - php_serialize: 1
[12:17:22] <crutchy> json-- # for crapping out in that case
[12:17:22] <Bender> karma - json: -1
[12:17:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> recursive_references--
[12:17:51] <Bender> karma - recursive_references: -1
[12:18:43] <crutchy> i wanted a reference to the parent in each child of my little memory filesystem thingy
[12:18:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> json's made for actual data anyway not references
[12:18:48] <crutchy> works pretty well
[12:19:06] <crutchy> this is just data
[12:19:18] <crutchy> but its more of a data structure than just flat data
[12:19:47] <crutchy> serialize being php-specific prolly helps
[12:20:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> is not, perl can serialize as well
[12:20:21] <crutchy> but it would have its own serializer
[12:20:31] <crutchy> that handles perl references
[12:20:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[12:20:53] <crutchy> whereas json is kinda universal
[12:20:57] <Tachyon_> TheMightyBuzzard: connecting from mobile
[12:21:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> Tachyon_, ahh, my condolences.
[12:21:20] <Tachyon_> i'll connect when i'm not on mobile :)
[12:21:25] <Tachyon_> c u :)
[12:21:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> no worries
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[12:21:43] <crutchy> Tachyon_, just make sure you yell out to us when you're about to enter the tunnels
[12:21:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> wasn't bugging me, he din hafta leave
[12:23:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> but ya, json's made for data input/output not saving data structures
[12:23:38] <crutchy> recursive references are fun cos if i have a reference to a filesystem element at any level i can navigate down the tree using the children array and up the tree using the parent reference
[12:23:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> it don't got the chops to be complicated like that cause it wasn't designed to
[12:24:55] <crutchy> and serialize the whole shebang into exec's bucket system when i'm done :D
[12:25:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> see i wouldn't have left something in json to do that. i would have converted it into a perl data structure before i tried to go moving up and down through it.
[12:25:58] <crutchy> its a php multi-dimensional array when navigating around. serialize is just for storage between script calls
[12:26:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, good good
[12:26:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> multi-dimenstional arrays hurt my brain beyond 3.
[12:26:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> never was good at 4+d math
[12:27:33] <crutchy> i just think of what i'm doing as a file structure tree thingy
[12:27:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmm
[12:27:46] <crutchy> i'm used to picturing those in file browsers
[12:28:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh that's not proper multi-dimensional then, just deep
[12:28:10] <crutchy> mkay
[12:28:20] <crutchy> i dunno what multidimensional is then :p
[12:28:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> though i guess you could think of it as multi-dimensional. huh. i think you just unstuck my brain on the concept.
[12:29:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> all in all i prefer linked lists though. names are more informative than numbers.
[12:31:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> only real prollem with perl linked lists is that you have no idea what order they're going to come out in.
[12:32:43] <crutchy> i use string keys instead of numbers
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[12:33:23] <crutchy> like $fs["/"]["children"]["my folder"]["vars"]["my var"]
[12:34:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> linked lists then not arrays
[12:34:51] <crutchy> they're constructed as arrays, but i dunno how php handles them internally
[12:35:31] <crutchy> initialized with something like $fs["/"]["children"]=array();
[12:36:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, linked list is just an array that uses arbitrary strings instead of a numerical index
[12:37:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> NC is a massive hater of using hardcoded numerical array cell references in code btw. not sure why.
[12:37:41] <crutchy> https://github.com
[12:37:42] <NetCraft> ^ 03exec-irc-bot/execfs_lib.php at master · crutchy-/exec-irc-bot · GitHub
[12:37:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause they're harder to grok i spose
[12:38:03] <crutchy> $directory=&set_directory("/Level1/Level2/Level3");
[12:38:10] <crutchy> for example of that code
[12:38:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar, not specially complicated but interesting.
[12:38:47] <crutchy> hopefully will help make easier to manage shared memory for scripts, including permissions and whatnot
[12:39:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> could i spose
[12:43:05] <crutchy> for my work app i've started refactoring some of the data storage to use hardcoded integer array keys, with constants to make them descriptive in the code
[12:43:26] <crutchy> but that's cos there's thousands of nested arrays
[12:43:49] <crutchy> script memory usage for a single page generate has reached up around 900Mb
[12:44:16] <crutchy> theory is that maybe a lot of that could be getting eaten up by array keys
[12:45:36] <crutchy> though i kinda thought php might have some sort of compilerish memory usage optimizations by now so not sure. it will be more of an experiment
[12:45:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> gah
[12:46:16] <crutchy> the app is for compliance of finite element models, so lots and lots of data
[12:46:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh, okay then.
[12:46:48] <crutchy> the stick figures i mentioned thismorning :D
[12:47:08] <crutchy> with the green 'OK's being what the app spits out if everything works
[12:47:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> seems like it'd be easier to just hire you a teenager to draw your stick figures.
[12:47:42] <crutchy> if i get red 'UNSAFE's i usually need more coffee
[12:47:54] <crutchy> ah lol why didn't i think of that
[12:48:07] <crutchy> my daughter is pretty good at drawing stick people too
[12:48:41] <crutchy> now she just needs an engineering degree and i can retire :D
[12:48:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, you prolly couldn't afford xkcd-level goodness but at least mostly round heads.
[12:52:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> at least you're only dealing with two-dimensional datasets. you could be bitching about spherical cows.
[13:11:48] <crutchy> i prefer to work with non-biological things, at least professionally
[13:13:28] <crutchy> anyways i'm done for the night. cya
[13:20:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> nite
[13:20:37] <ciri> see yea later TheMightyBuzzard
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[14:56:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.techdirt.com
[14:56:18] <NetCraft> ^ 03Kuerig's Controversial Java 'DRM' Defeated By A Single Piece Of Scotch Tape | Techdirt
[15:08:31] <Konomi> time to ban duct tape
[15:08:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think that might actually go over worse than banning alcohol did
[15:09:19] <Konomi> less so ;p
[15:09:56] <Konomi> the music in th video lol
[15:10:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> soooo many things would fail catastrophically without it though
[15:10:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, got a chuckle
[15:11:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> not as much as when my cousin stealthily talked the band into playing the imperial march instead of the wedding march for the bride when he got married.
[15:11:51] <Konomi> I'm really surprised anyone would buy a coffee machine that has printer like drm tbh
[15:12:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, thas truly some quality dumbassery
[15:12:33] <Konomi> I always wanted a coffee maker I couldn't put anything but special coffee into
[15:12:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> hipsters pretty much always have more money than sense though so at least they have one demographic covered
[15:12:47] <Konomi> just like I always wanted a car that only works with one brand of tyres
[15:12:59] <Konomi> hipsters--
[15:12:59] <Bender> karma - hipsters: -10
[15:13:24] <Konomi> practicality++
[15:13:24] <Bender> karma - practicality: 1
[15:13:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> macguyvering++
[15:13:40] <Bender> karma - macguyvering: 1
[15:14:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> my espresso machine never argues with me about what coffee grounds i put in it, even if they're too coarse or fine and the coffee is going to suck.
[15:15:40] <Konomi> I buy my coffee premade
[15:15:44] <Konomi> like a heathen
[15:16:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> do you suck at making coffee or just lazy? either one is a perfectly valid excuse.
[15:16:42] <Konomi> just don't want to pay for a machine honestly
[15:17:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> weird. and also math-fail.
[15:18:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> they pay for themselves vs premade coffee in like... under a month at the very least
[15:18:34] <Konomi> our kitchen is small and I'd have to go through the politics of convincing the rest of the house hold ;p
[15:18:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> granted they don't put fancy flavors or foam on your coffee
[15:18:47] <Konomi> I'm the only heavt coffee drinker
[15:18:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, makes more sense then.
[15:19:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> bedside table then. don't have to get out of bed to get your first cup.
[15:20:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus you can end up with some really cool scars if you're not paying attention
[15:20:12] <Konomi> lol
[15:20:13] <ciri> i don't think it's that funny lol
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[15:21:20] <janrinok> hi y'all
[15:21:21] <ciri> yeah, yeah hi HI janrinok
[15:21:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> speaking of, the same bastard who's been running around wearing my pants just drank the last of my cup of coffee. back directly.
[15:21:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> heyas janrinok
[15:21:57] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: hi - I wasn't quite sure what I was being accused of there....
[15:23:13] <Konomi> are said pants now on said head of the thief?
[15:23:47] <janrinok> why is TheMightyBuzzard not wearing his pants?
[15:24:13] * janrinok believes life can be wierd somedays...
[15:24:21] <Konomi> I thought wearing pants was the exception on irc
[15:24:35] <janrinok> damn - I'n doing it wrong again
[15:24:55] <janrinok> anyway, hi Konomi
[15:25:14] * Konomi waves
[15:30:46] <chromas> !grab Konomi
[15:30:46] <Bender> Added quote 296
[15:30:56] <Konomi> rats
[15:31:15] * Konomi stares at chromas
[15:35:49] <Blackmoore> I didn't realize "Pants on head"man was on staff..
[15:36:26] <janrinok> it's not juggs celebrating his new status, is it?
[15:36:43] * juggs blinks
[15:37:04] <Blackmoore> but then again this is irc. you'd never know which of us is wearing pants, much less if we wrent human.
[15:37:06] * janrinok wonders if juggs blinks because he has been discovered...
[15:37:10] <juggs> celebrate? not so much right now
[15:37:25] <janrinok> not a good day juggs?
[15:37:50] <juggs> hard to tell just yet janrinok - still on the fist tea++
[15:38:08] <juggs> s/fist/first/
[15:38:08] <sedctl> <juggs> hard to tell just yet janrinok - still on the first tea++
[15:38:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> shame, fist tea sounded much more macho
[15:38:31] <Konomi> fist tea it packs a punch
[15:38:35] <Blackmoore> mm. fist tea.. just like they use to make at fight club
[15:38:38] <janrinok> have another juggs, you know it helps
[15:38:49] <Konomi> yes more acid drinks when you wake up
[15:38:50] <Konomi> ;p
[15:38:52] <janrinok> the first rule of fist tea etc....
[15:42:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, made by the makers of minecraft or not, i can't bring myself to play Scrolls. never liked MTG type games.
[15:43:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> poker or gtfo as far as card games go
[15:43:34] <juggs> I'm sure having a picture of fist tea would be considered illegal here
[15:45:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i think you're still allowed to have fists. just not swords, useful-sized knives, guns, and such-like.
[15:46:02] <janrinok> wait until the Govt hears of that point of view, things will change...
[15:46:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> possibly longbows too. dunno if they ever got rid of that from way back in the day.
[15:48:18] <Konomi> I shall just bludgin my invaders to death with my laptop
[15:48:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, GB is where owning a model-M keyboard really comes into its own
[15:49:22] <Konomi> I had an ltp printer that I had trouble lifting
[15:49:24] <Konomi> could use that
[15:49:29] <Konomi> dot matrix go
[15:50:28] <Leebert> No lie, one of the Agile consultants I've been whining about has a last name of "McClure". All I can think about is the Simpsons.
[15:50:53] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[15:51:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> I still say you should just BOFH them.
[15:57:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://commerce.microsoft.com
[15:57:59] <NetCraft> ^ 03window.globalVars = {}; window.globalVars.closeLocString = "close dialogue"; window.globalVars.isRtl = "False" === "True"; How do I use Bitcoin with my Microsoft account?You can now use Bitcoin to add money to your Microsoft account. Once you add money to your Microsoft account, you can use it as a payment option to buy apps, games, and other digital content from Win
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[16:06:47] <janrinok> oooh, lots of lag there....
[16:08:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> you hogging up all the lag again?
[16:12:21] <janrinok> looks like it
[16:12:21] <janrinok> lag 19 seconds and rising...
[16:20:50] <juggs> nasty
[16:23:14] <janrinok> hovering around 13 secs at the moment
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[17:21:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> Slow day on the internet unless you want to talk about waterboarding.
[17:22:34] <chromas> It's too cold to play in the water
[17:23:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, which is besides the point of i *don't* want to talk about it.
[17:24:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> only thing i have to say on the matter is whether you torture or not, be proud of it. you deserve your shit leaked if you try to hide it.
[17:24:21] <chromas> Amen
[17:25:01] <chromas> new kernel/nvidia hit the arch repo; still no sign of the new systemd. Do they test or something? Shove it at me, already!
[17:25:11] <Konomi> I'm still amused certain 3 letter organisations think they can keep secrets these days
[17:25:36] <chromas> Konomi: they do. These are the secrets they WANT you to know about
[17:25:46] <Konomi> sure sure
[17:25:54] * chromas sets out a tray of aluminum foil hats
[17:25:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> spy stuff is one thing, general policy during war is not spy stuff though.
[17:25:56] <Konomi> they totally wanted smowden to tell us all that stuff ;p
[17:26:22] <chromas> yeah 'cause it distracts us from what they're /really/ dong
[17:26:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, they really are dongs
[17:26:56] <Konomi> something tells me it would be hard to get beyond radiating your subjects so you can use the return signals to figure out what they're doing on their computers
[17:27:25] <Konomi> tbh I barely find the nsa scary
[17:27:32] <Konomi> only the hardware stuff surprised me
[17:27:34] <Konomi> I expected the rest
[17:27:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, that's a good one. be kinda difficult to derive any useful info from that but still.
[17:27:54] <chromas> ooh there's a new flashplayer too; I don't know why, since they quit making it for npapi.
[17:28:16] <Konomi> they still push security updates
[17:28:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> they keep patching the old one. beats me why. half the stuff on the net it won't play anymore.
[17:28:42] <Konomi> I only have trouble with one site
[17:28:48] <chromas> oh, I thought they weren't doing that anymore and people were sounding the alarms and stuff. Must've read it on slashdot or something
[17:28:49] <Konomi> for that I use chrome with pepper
[17:28:53] <Konomi> though pepper is a POS
[17:28:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> think ima just uninstall it and let chrome deal with anything that really needs flash
[17:29:03] <Konomi> has two processes and they take about 60% cpu each
[17:29:12] <Konomi> compared to the old one using about 20-30%
[17:29:13] <chromas> Almost all videos I see on the web still use flash
[17:29:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, even htlm5 video is better than that
[17:29:28] <Konomi> yeah but most of them are not updating to flash 13
[17:29:33] <Konomi> most are staying on flash 9
[17:29:36] <Konomi> so they have less drama
[17:29:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> i generally hate videos on the web so no big loss to me
[17:30:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> the ones i do wanna see are prolly on youtube and in html5
[17:30:13] <chromas> youtube is always flash for me
[17:30:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can fix that ya know
[17:30:28] <chromas> does my browser have html5 leprosy?
[17:30:33] <Konomi> I stick with the flash player mostly
[17:30:36] <chromas> I think someone gave me a link to change that awhile back
[17:30:39] <Konomi> because html5 in firefox still blows
[17:30:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[17:30:44] <NetCraft> ^ 03YouTube
[17:30:52] <Konomi> the flash player will only take the bandwidth needed for smooth playback
[17:30:57] <Konomi> html5 is like fuuuu full speed!
[17:31:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, it's great.
[17:31:17] <Konomi> it blows if you're sharing multiple connections
[17:31:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> none of this only buffer a few seconds bs
[17:31:29] <Konomi> it's easier for 4 users to saturate a home link
[17:31:46] <chromas> Thanks. I clicked that link and it's back to 'default player' again
[17:32:21] <chromas> I guess that gets reset more often than facebook privacy settings (which I've never actually seen happen)
[17:32:55] <Konomi> if you define settings as ops that 0 flipped itself back to a 1 all on it's own I guess facebook has "settings"
[17:32:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> just glad my favorite porn sites don't use flash anymore
[17:33:44] <chromas> mmm, pron. underthecase.soylentnews.org
[17:34:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> no no, underwhere.soylentnews.org
[17:34:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> gotta throw a lame joke in
[17:34:21] <chromas> hehe, you said "org"
[17:34:51] <Konomi> hurry up and get interesting I am waiting
[17:35:51] <chromas> woohoo++ html5 player
[17:35:51] <Bender> karma - woohoo: 1
[17:36:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, if you're waiting on me to get interesting you're in for a long wait. seriously considering mindless minecraft building since the internet is letting me down today.
[17:36:14] <chromas> now they just need an option to keep annotations off by default
[17:36:26] <Konomi> it was more the species ;p
[17:37:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess i could fire up rosetta stone and learn some more japanese. there's only so often "the cat is sleeping" is a useful phrase even at my house.
[17:38:37] <Konomi> too many bits of broken languages floating arounbd in my mind
[17:39:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i even know a completely made up one, besides klingon i mean
[17:39:23] <chromas> perl?
[17:39:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, one from an old MMORPG.
[17:41:12] <Konomi> I have bits of spanish and japanese in my head
[17:43:36] <Konomi> urk I need my SO around for this stuff
[17:43:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> i need to either go ahead and learn japanese or drink the bits i do know away. they're taking up space and not being useful right now.
[17:44:18] <Konomi> it wouldn't be useful unless you're going to japan anyway
[17:44:24] <Konomi> or frequenting the sites
[17:44:27] <Konomi> but the written form is harder
[17:44:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure it would, i could turn off subtitles
[17:44:38] <Konomi> and they're still stuck in shiftjs a lot thanks to microsoft
[17:44:53] <Konomi> I already pick up on most words without subtitles
[17:45:04] <Konomi> but producing a sentence is harder than making one
[17:45:14] <Konomi> understanding one*
[17:45:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. grammar rules are harder to pick up than vocabulary.
[17:46:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> thankfully there's not a WHOLE LOT of conjugation
[17:46:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> not like latin or english
[17:47:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> folks think latin is hard but we conjugate the fuck out of some words in just regular english
[17:47:43] <Konomi> latin is verbose like old english
[17:47:47] <Konomi> aka freaking annoying
[17:47:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[17:48:04] <Konomi> nothing worse than old english
[17:48:10] <Konomi> epitome of freaking small talk
[17:48:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> glad i passed on learning that nonsense then
[17:48:37] <Konomi> they tried to teach me it but like religion it got rejected
[17:48:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> aside from the fancy f making an s sound
[17:49:19] <Konomi> I isolated myself from age 7
[17:49:29] <Konomi> I came out of isolation at age 19
[17:49:39] <Konomi> it's a long time to think
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[17:49:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> thinking's overrated, thus booze
[17:50:10] <Konomi> so bland
[17:52:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> i gave up on the isolation thing around 13. decided i'd rather get laid than know everything. i blame biology.
[17:52:23] <Konomi> getting laid is not an issue for me
[17:53:13] <Konomi> nor is it anything as dramatic as people made it out to be
[17:53:44] <Konomi> I regret my first time being so rushed though
[17:53:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> no but it was a very strong biological imperative at 13-18
[17:54:46] <Konomi> I have to wonder how true that is considering I don't remember that happening
[17:55:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a guy thing. women don't get even a similar hormone boost until like 33 or so
[17:56:31] <Konomi> pretty sure I knew a few guys that didn't get the effect as bad as others
[17:56:46] <Konomi> though that would involve asking them ;p
[17:57:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> how true it is: most guys spend 25% of their waking hours in their teens with a tent pole happening in their trousers
[17:57:24] <Konomi> isn't that an unconcious reaction a lot of the time though?
[17:57:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, still don't make it any less distracting though
[17:58:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> "no, ma'am, I would very much not like to come up to the board and write down that answer right now"
[17:59:09] <Konomi> heh cultural stuff so odd
[17:59:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> people're just weird contraptions
[18:00:04] <Konomi> the lack of self analysis bothers me
[18:00:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> self analysis bothers me. after a certain point it's just mental masturbation.
[18:00:53] <Konomi> only if you don't form conclusions and move on
[18:01:08] <Konomi> and I wasn't talking about the bullshit psychologists pedal
[18:01:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> conclusions that aren't helpful are the bad bit.
[18:01:44] <Konomi> depends if you come back to reassess them now and then
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[18:02:14] <Konomi> hmm
[18:02:23] <Konomi> the server fluctuated slightly before those two timeouts
[18:02:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> like i've yet to find a chain of logic saying there's any point to getting up in the morning beyond "i really need to pee"
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[18:02:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> weird
[18:02:59] <Konomi> route glitch probably
[18:03:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg. was only chromas and his bots so who knows
[18:03:24] <Konomi> my ping elevated slightly before they timed out
[18:03:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> wasn't watching mine
[18:04:00] <Konomi> I do many things at once so it's normal for me to be looking at it every now and then
[18:04:16] <Konomi> irssi showed lag metre but my pings did not
[18:04:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod. we don't have an especially hoss irc server but it shouldn't have trouble with this load
[18:05:14] <Konomi> it'll be the route
[18:08:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm. only lunch time still. oh well, i can at least grab a bite and a nap now.
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[18:18:48] <chromasctl> Gets a little breezy out and suddenly power flickers and I can't remember crypt password on server
[18:21:35] <Konomi> >.>
[18:21:54] <Konomi> !grab chromasctl
[18:21:54] <Bender> Added quote 297
[18:21:56] <Konomi> \o/
[18:22:49] <chromasctl> It's what I get for using an easy-to-remember password
[18:23:48] <Konomi> guess my ping spike before your CD was coincidence
[18:28:02] <chromasctl> Aha!
[18:29:34] <Konomi> least I can remember a password...
[18:29:42] * Konomi look of disapproval
[18:31:56] <chromasctl> Desktop is being a butt too. "Device /dev/sdb2 is not a valid LUKS device"
[18:32:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> woohoo! http://www.politico.com
[18:33:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> gonna be a good year to lie your ass off to the tax man
[18:36:20] <chromasctl> I feel like I had a lobotomy 😔
[18:36:40] <chromasctl> Need computers. Must internet
[18:36:49] <crutchy> so need tama in here
[18:36:52] <crutchy> <tama> how is your jock itch doing today?
[18:37:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Excuse Me While I Kiss This Guy: The Science of Misheard Song Lyrics - http://sylnt.us - Ladle-Rat-Rotten-Hut
[18:37:27] <JamesNZ> chromasctl delobotomize
[18:38:00] <chromasctl> The Science of "The Science of" articles
[18:38:43] <crutchy> ♪the science show♪ ... pianos!
[18:39:35] <chromasctl> Look Around You. Thanks ants. Thants
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[18:42:21] <chromasctl> Ooh, looks like I figured one out
[18:44:06] <chromas> Out, old me!
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[18:55:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> nap++
[18:55:33] <Bender> karma - nap: 12
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[18:58:28] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[18:58:28] <Bender> karma - tea: 312
[18:58:29] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[18:58:30] <Bender> karma - tea: 313
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[19:25:14] <janrinok> time for tea ++tea
[19:25:20] <janrinok> tea++
[19:25:20] <Bender> karma - tea: 314
[19:28:56] <ar> http://www.amazon.com
[19:28:59] <NetCraft> ^ 0350 Ways to Eat Cock: Healthy Chicken Recipes with Balls! (Health AlternaTips): Adrienne N Hew CN: 9781482591439: Amazon.com: Books
[19:29:02] <ar> ;)
[19:29:36] <janrinok> you'll have to make a submission with that.....
[19:29:52] <janrinok> ethonal-fuelled will love it
[19:30:05] <janrinok> *ethanol
[19:34:35] <Blackmoore> well - we could approve the bill gates book picks. and ask people to suggest thier own
[19:37:26] <Blackmoore> http://www.trendingbuffalo.com
[19:37:27] <NetCraft> ^ 0360 Second Review: $1 Ribeye Steak from Dollar Tree | Trending Buffalo
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[19:54:02] <Tachyon_> TheMightyBuzzard: re, with stable connection! :)
[20:00:19] <janrinok> time to go - bye guys
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[20:03:39] <chromas> systemd-- # for not letting me past a stuck mount jerb
[20:03:39] <Bender> karma - systemd: -15
[20:08:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Go 1.4 Release - http://sylnt.us - two-Go's-considered-harmful
[20:18:41] <mechanicjay> Hey TheMightyBuzzard, q regarding moderation for you when you have the time/stomach.
[20:19:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> mechanicjay, go for it. failing utterly to take a nap anyway.
[20:20:39] <mechanicjay> What would cause a regular user of the site, me, to not have received any modpoints in >6 months. I didn't think we were being that stingy with them.
[20:21:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> karma is all i can think of
[20:21:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> we got a pretty weird algorithm
[20:21:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> or having willing to moderate turned off
[20:21:57] <mechanicjay> interesting. Too much karma = no mod?
[20:22:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, not enough = no mod
[20:22:22] <mechanicjay> sob
[20:22:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> think it picks from the highest karma folks first
[20:22:29] <mechanicjay> my Willing to Mod flag isn't set
[20:22:35] <mechanicjay> thanks
[20:22:38] <mechanicjay> wtf
[20:23:42] <mechanicjay> okay, reset prefs, we'll see what happens.
[20:23:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> thanks for reminding me about that flag btw. i forgot to account for it in the new mod points handing out script.
[20:24:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know if you really want mod points you can always give yourself some in the db. you're a sysadmin. =P
[20:27:36] <mechanicjay> yeah, I know, but it's easier to bitch about in irc :)
[20:45:52] <ar> http://www.eevblog.com
[20:51:40] <ar> >The EEVblog is a strictly non­smoking environment, and is an equal opportunity employer, but doesn’t pay much.
[20:51:43] <ar> You might be financially better off flipping a road Go/Stop sign. But hey, the lab has some cool toys and no
[20:51:46] <ar> sunburn.
[20:55:29] <crutchy> ++coffee
[20:55:29] <NetCraft> Karma - coffee: 192
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[21:12:07] <crutchy> tmb, i trust you're getting into the xmas spirit; http://www.thestar.com
[21:12:08] <NetCraft> ^ 03Deck your beard with baubles jolly | Toronto Star
[21:13:01] <crutchy> though the goy in that pic prolly looks more creepy with baubles than without
[21:15:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, i do anything with my beard it's gonna be twisted in braids with slow burning fuse in them
[21:16:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> if your own ideas ain't brilliant, steal from the best says i
[21:16:50] <crutchy> nod nod
[21:17:06] <crutchy> any joy with new perl devs?
[21:17:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno, haven't heard from paulej72 today
[21:17:52] <crutchy> prolly still early days. juggs tfa was only other day
[21:18:13] * juggs looks around
[21:18:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, you mean any responses. yeah bout five of em plus bytram may be gettin a box that he can run a vm on next year.
[21:18:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> including one guy sounds like he could outcode me n pj both
[21:19:48] <crutchy> any of them likely to hop onto irc? sounds pretty interesting
[21:20:06] <juggs> may already be here for all we know
[21:20:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> eventually i spose. this is where we do most of our communicating.
[21:20:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno how many are wanting to join the team official like and how many just wanna contribute every now and then.
[21:21:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, you tryin to make me paranoid over here?
[21:21:20] * TheMightyBuzzard eyes _NSAKEY shiftily
[21:21:35] <crutchy> they've already scanned your hard disks and formatted your cat
[21:22:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh good. maybe he won't pee in inappropriate places now. i was about to rename him after a friend of mine who does that too.
[21:28:32] <chromas> :( every time I try to mount /home it's automatically dismounted
[21:29:11] <chromas> systemd--
[21:29:11] <Bender> karma - systemd: -16
[21:29:27] <juggs> needs fsck?
[21:29:44] <crutchy> maybe your mounting it from the wrong end
[21:31:01] <chromas> Nope. It's only when I mount it to /home that it dismounts.
[21:31:15] <chromas> If I put && ls /home after mount, it lists the contents. Then it's gone afterward
[21:31:23] <Blackmoore> i'm not sure want to hear bout mounting your cat.
[21:31:46] <mechanicjay> does dmesg report any errors with the volume that might result in it getting auto dismounted?
[21:31:52] <chromas> meoooowctl
[21:31:59] <crutchy> :D
[21:32:01] <chromas> Nope
[21:32:10] <crutchy> you mustn't be a mountain man
[21:32:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> checked journalctl?
[21:32:24] <Blackmoore> *sigh* what OS did you install on the cat this week?
[21:33:09] <chromas> dmesg just says disk space caching is enabled
[21:33:27] <crutchy> what mount flags?
[21:33:40] <crutchy> that's usually what i fuck up
[21:34:15] <crutchy> though most time its with ntfs mounts
[21:34:28] <chromas> It was fine 'til power flicker earlier. Flags are noatime
[21:34:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, journalctl -f
[21:34:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> then mount it
[21:35:01] <chromas> It actually mounts and then something dismounts it afterward
[21:35:31] <chromas> It just says the same thing as dmesg
[21:35:43] <chromas> disk space caching is enabled
[21:35:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice, quality bug you have there
[21:36:10] <juggs> and what mount flags are specified for /home in your fstab?
[21:36:21] <chromas> And it works if I mount it somewhere else too
[21:37:04] <mythterj> Missed the part where you said what OS you are running... Is systemd involved?
[21:37:26] <chromas> Of course
[21:37:40] <chromas> Arch lunix
[21:38:02] <mythterj> Seen complaints of that same thing on the Opensuse list...
[21:38:22] <chromas> Someone else apparently had a similar dismount problem but I didn't see a resolution
[21:38:29] <chromas> Ah
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[21:39:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> man systemd automount
[21:39:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> er systemd.automount
[21:40:14] <chromas> Ooh. Also didn't mention I'm stuck in whatever systemd considers an emergency shell
[21:40:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> fun
[21:40:49] <chromas> Which seems to be yash with everything available
[21:40:57] <chromas> Bash
[21:41:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> you using uuid or /dev/whatzit to mount your drives?
[21:41:12] <mechanicjay> chromas: that's like trying to trouble shoot why your car wont go, then neglecting to mention that you have no wheels.
[21:42:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause if your drives somehow picked up different dev names systemd may be butting in and saying wait, no
[21:43:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> uuid will be constant though
[21:44:07] <mechanicjay> looks like emergency shell, is literally just systemd + bash, with nothing else. So is like sub runlevel 1.
[21:44:53] <mechanicjay> maybe there aren't enough system services running to effectively mount /home at this point.
[21:45:13] <mechanicjay> TBM, yeah, like it udev or whatever isn't running yet
[21:45:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> or it is and it's buggered up and assigned the drives to the wrong devices
[21:46:05] <mechanicjay> eitherway, need to get him out of emergency shell and at least to single user target to do anything effective.
[21:46:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, he can mount it anywhere but /home so that's not it
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[21:47:34] <mechanicjay> what happens when you try to bring the system up with a systemct default?
[21:48:06] <mechanicjay> or systemctl isolate rescue.target
[21:48:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> "If an automount point is configured in both /etc/fstab and a unit file, the configuration in the latter takes precedence."
[21:48:51] <chromas> Starts x but a login session fails 'cause no /home
[21:49:04] <mechanicjay> yeah, I was just going to suggest a conflict or something at /home
[21:49:16] <chromas> I commented out the home in fstab to see if that would help
[21:49:16] <mechanicjay> ..even as root?
[21:50:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> i need to move around some. back shortly.
[21:51:43] <chromas> Well startx as root was a mistake. No window manager. Must be time to reinstall :D
[21:54:25] <chromas> startxfce works
[21:54:44] <chromas> As root
[21:56:03] <chromas> Ooh
[21:56:21] <chromas> Now that I'm in default mode of doesn't dismount
[21:57:15] <mechanicjay> clearly the right move is to install FreeBSD and mount your home partition from there :)
[21:58:43] <chromas> It would be nifty to have zfs
[21:58:47] <chromas> Or hammer
[22:00:11] <chromas> So apparently the fix for it dismounting at boot was to go to default mode and mount it
[22:00:27] <chromas> 'cause now it works on boot too
[22:00:44] <chromas> Thanks guys :D
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[22:08:18] <chromas> systemd--
[22:08:18] <Bender> karma - systemd: -17
[22:08:35] <chromas> Yay, I can start heading toward the bandwagon
[22:08:46] <chromas> ~define bandwagon
[22:08:49] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3bandwagon: When someone adopts a popular point of view for the primary purpose of recognition and/or acceptance by others.
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[22:10:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Navy Approves First Laser Weapon for Operation aboard Persian Gulf Ship - http://sylnt.us - friggin-Ponce-with-friggin-laser-beams
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[22:49:22] <swiss> just got some recon insruments snow2 goggles
[22:49:26] <swiss> this HUD is badass
[23:04:02] <chromas> Does it run windows phone 8?
[23:08:33] <Blackmoore> AAAAAHHHH!HHHH!!
[23:08:47] Blackmoore is now known as blackmoore|hiding
[23:09:08] <chromas> /nick Blackmoore
[23:10:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - It's Nearly 2015 and Your Windows PC Can Still be Pwned by a Visual Basic Script - http://sylnt.us - patchwork-guilt
[23:11:02] <chromas> or a Bash script…
[23:15:58] <SirFinkus> generally, you need to mark bash scripts as executable, with windows you just need to open a spreadsheet or something
[23:20:32] <chromas> Speaking of web browsers, since installing that session manager in palemoon, I don't get logged out of SoylentNews when the browser restarts. :D
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[23:29:43] <swiss> chromas: nah, it's Snow2
[23:29:46] <swiss> kinda its own Os
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[23:32:10] <chromas> >:D
[23:32:49] <chromas> swiss: so is it for your bike and stuff?
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[23:58:08] <chromas> broke muh tmux while I was at it