#Soylent | Logs for 2014-12-09

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[00:28:15] <Leebert> That moment when you come home, look at your credit card pending charges, see "12/06/14 WDW-T-MAGIC KINGDOM $421.76", and wonder if it really was THAT all that magical... :)
[00:29:33] <juggs> ouch
[00:30:39] <Leebert> It's not as bad as I'm pretending... I was traveling with 3 other people.
[00:30:55] <Leebert> I just put them all on my card because it was the quickest way to get through the line.
[00:31:46] <juggs> Jolly decent of you
[00:33:26] <Leebert> juggs: well, it was reciprocated so we'll all end up paying the same for the trip. Well, except the train; I paid for that. But the football tickets weren't cheap either.
[00:33:55] <Leebert> Anyway, way too much information and internal dialog.
[00:34:02] <juggs> It's all good amongst friends
[00:41:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, could probably hit late 12 if we really pushed it and skimped on the traditional two weeks testing.
[00:41:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> rather fix a few more minor bugs and do things like roll in the easy to accommodate suggestions from users on moderation though.
[00:43:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> dang, up to 42 comments now
[00:49:58] <juggs> whatever works, 15.01 is probably best given the happy holiday madness
[00:50:11] <juggs> where have you posted it?
[00:50:12] <ciri> hmmm thats a good question juggs
[00:50:23] <juggs> indeed ciri, indeed
[00:52:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, sorry, was replying. main page.
[00:54:34] <juggs> serves me right for looking in the non-obvious places first :D
[00:55:26] <juggs> hmm, think we ought to reset the beg-o-meter to $0 when we hit financial year-end? :/
[01:00:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmm... dunno
[01:01:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, prolly should.
[01:01:28] <juggs> would make it simpler for mrcool to keep current as it would just be the current income figure from quickbooks at any given time
[01:01:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[01:02:00] <juggs> I'd do a quick post to explain of course
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[01:02:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't count the pre-paid months though, we're going to have to do exactly the same next year.
[01:03:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> just gross income YTD
[01:03:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> no jiggery-pokery, just straight up.
[01:03:48] <juggs> hmm - still need the same total amount each FY.
[01:03:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> more or less.
[01:04:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> hosting costs may change but that can easily be rolled in
[01:04:54] <juggs> I can't see it shrinking, but could certainly increase
[01:05:27] <juggs> Unless linode have a refresh and sell more for less of course
[01:06:49] * SpallsHurgenson comes in to hear about "jiggery-pokery" and how "it increases but rarely shrinks" and wonders what sort of discussion he has wandered into
[01:07:15] <juggs> I did a price comparison yesterday linode vs digitalocean - bearing in mind DO touted themselves as the cheap as chips offering when they went heavy on marketing. Turns out linodes vps costs are pretty much the same now.
[01:07:35] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, hosting costs etc. blah
[01:08:10] * SpallsHurgenson ignores that as he prefers to assume something far more exciting :)
[01:08:24] <juggs> ignores what? >.>
[01:13:07] <SpallsHurgenson> hosting always gets more expensive; bits are a limited resource and we are swiftly running out of them
[01:13:19] <SpallsHurgenson> that's why I recycle all my bits
[01:14:12] <juggs> I'd say quite the opposite, hosting and vps costs have fallen for as long as I've been meddling with them.
[01:15:01] * SpallsHurgenson hands juggs a custom-made wood-carved "whoosh"
[01:15:16] <juggs> I shall cherish that
[01:15:27] * juggs opens the wood stove
[01:15:58] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, good idea! those burn well. They go up with a... well you know :)
[01:16:00] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[01:16:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> man it's lotsa work answering this many interesting posts
[01:17:09] <juggs> How much do I want to open an envelope that plopped into my mailbox today with this emblazoned on the front: "Inside... your invitation to join the neighbourly social network."
[01:17:09] <ciri> very carefully and then some
[01:17:19] <juggs> EXACTLY ciri!
[01:17:37] <SpallsHurgenson> option 1) ignore the good posts, option 2) write fast and awful responses, option 3) hire cheap offshore labor to respond for you, option 4) get higher standards as to what is considered an "interesting post"
[01:19:25] <juggs> OK - so they send a letter to "The lovely person who lives at.... $ADDRESS" - the letter has a code required to be entered to join the social network. So no joining anonymously.
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[01:21:56] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, so that's what that button does
[01:22:51] <SpallsHurgenson> https://www.neighbourly.co.nz ?
[01:22:53] <NetCraft> ^ 03Neighbourly - The private and free neighbourhood website for New Zealand
[01:23:30] * SpallsHurgenson types in a random invitation code to see what happens
[01:25:03] <SpallsHurgenson> huh, all they really need is an email and street address... say, where does the Grand High Sheep-Dipper of New Zealand hang his hat? :)
[01:27:09] <juggs> this one is from streetlife.com - presume it's something similar
[01:28:01] <SpallsHurgenson> awww, I wanted to register for a new zealand company :(
[01:28:05] <juggs> must be good though, the letterhead has various "as featured in:" logos from magazines like woman&home
[01:28:54] <chromas> but juggs, are you from da street?
[01:29:03] <chromas> streetlife.dogg
[01:29:16] <juggs> word
[01:29:19] <juggs> or something
[01:29:23] <juggs> ~shrugs~
[01:29:46] <chromas> Yo yoyo! Tops! Tiddly winks and jacks
[01:30:07] <juggs> thas phat man!
[01:30:23] <juggs> check out ma rims bro
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[01:30:58] <juggs> I need to work in an "innit" I suppose
[01:31:13] <SpallsHurgenson> I think the cat is stepping on jugg's keyboard or somethin'
[01:31:50] <juggs> I'm not sure what came over me. Please do excuse my rambling.
[01:32:38] * Ethanol-fueled checks logs
[01:32:43] <Ethanol-fueled> juggs, you're racist.
[01:32:58] <juggs> how so old bean?
[01:33:00] <Ethanol-fueled> check your White privilege.
[01:33:04] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[01:33:05] <Bender> karma - tea: 294
[01:33:05] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[01:33:05] <Bender> karma - tea: 295
[01:33:18] <Ethanol-fueled> you called me a BEAN?!
[01:33:24] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm 12.5% HISPANIC!
[01:33:47] <Ethanol-fueled> Those street protestors weren't lying. There is oppression everywhere!
[01:33:48] <chromas> Is that enough?
[01:34:17] <juggs> I assure you old chap, "old bean" far predates you united states of america as a phrase.
[01:34:38] <chromas> er
[01:34:52] <chromas> Our beans have suffixes 'round here
[01:35:02] <juggs> such as?
[01:35:05] <chromas> er
[01:35:20] <juggs> ~define beaner
[01:35:21] <chromas> Old bean—Good; Beaner—ef
[01:35:22] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3beaner: In Spanish, frijolero, just a Mexican (Someone from Mexico)! Not necessarily an immigrant! No me llames frijolero, Pinche gringo puñetero. Chingado!!
[01:35:29] <Ethanol-fueled> LOL "frijolero"
[01:35:30] <ciri> HEY! don't laugh at me
[01:35:32] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
[01:36:02] <juggs> I honestly didn't know that. I am left pondian, so not surprising really.
[01:36:44] <chromas> We have all kinds of names for our friendly neighbors to the south
[01:37:02] <juggs> hmm... seems my globe was upside down... I'm right-pondian!
[01:37:13] <chromas> Spending too much time with crutchy
[01:37:22] <Ethanol-fueled> In American maps England is to the right.
[01:37:33] <juggs> I must castigate the cleaning wench for upending my globe
[01:37:40] <Ethanol-fueled> right-of-the pondian or left-pondian
[01:40:53] <arti> use an electrical cord for great justice.
[01:41:10] <arti> bonus if you make whistling sounds
[01:41:29] <Ethanol-fueled> I don't get it, arti.
[01:41:35] <arti> i know, son.
[01:41:47] * Konomi yawns
[01:41:56] * arti grabs tongue
[01:42:10] <arti> :|
[01:42:19] <Konomi> ._.
[01:42:20] <arti> g'day soylentils
[01:42:20] <ciri> hi there arti
[01:42:20] <juggs> arti is T1600 to exec's T800 - where the hell is decker with that test kit!
[01:42:37] <arti> what's a tortoise
[01:43:31] <arti> half man, half bot, half pig.
[01:43:33] * juggs vaguely waves g'day to Konomi from a safe distance so as not to spook her
[01:43:42] <arti> you should do it with blackface
[01:44:06] <arti> especially if you have really white teeth
[01:44:27] <Konomi> it's okay I've been up a bit the whole biting incident won't happen this time
[01:44:27] <juggs> ooo-kay, I'm going back to reading TMB's discussion thread
[01:44:49] <arti> 'biting incident'
[01:44:58] <arti> did you bite your tongue or something?
[01:45:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm STILL trying to hit bottom on it
[01:45:17] <arti> tmb, are you going to pick up perl 6?
[01:45:19] <juggs> It's a grower!
[01:45:19] <arti> it's coming!
[01:45:25] <arti> awkward.
[01:45:32] <juggs> :D
[01:46:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> ... ima pass. it's trying to be too much at once.
[01:46:16] <arti> just curious ^_^
[01:46:28] <arti> the meatball of languages.
[01:46:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly though i won't have time if i wanna keep working on the site.
[01:47:12] <arti> "no, because $reasons"
[01:47:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know, right? wtf was with the idea of being able to rewrite the syntax and everything and throw up an interpreter so different it's not even recognizable as the same language?
[01:48:06] <arti> i can field that!
[01:48:16] <arti> it's because it was built over time, with love.
[01:48:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> ... and copious amounts of drugs.
[01:48:36] <SpallsHurgenson> once again love proves to be the ultimate source of evil
[01:48:48] <Ethanol-fueled> Wasn't it in development for like 10 years?
[01:48:51] <chromas> it might even have a slashd unit
[01:48:55] <arti> longer.
[01:49:10] <Ethanol-fueled> Jesus, it probably smells horrible by now.
[01:49:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, closer to 20 i think
[01:49:19] <arti> it was rewritten in many languages
[01:49:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ask Soylent: How Do You Move Away From Framesets? - http://sylnt.us - biting-the-hand
[01:49:30] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: BTW, I am indeed working on NEXUS. It's coming along nicely. Still in early non-functional stages.
[01:49:30] <arti> interesting experiement
[01:49:36] <arti> g'day sub
[01:50:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, smooth. lemme know how it goes.
[01:51:00] <Subsentient> I decided to use C99 for NEXUS. I generally prefer C89 but in this case I can see it'll make things easier.
[01:51:25] * arti stabs it with a pitch spork
[01:51:46] <arti> ----€
[01:51:46] <NetCraft> Karma - --€: -1
[01:51:54] <Ethanol-fueled> Subsentient, is that your systemd replacement?
[01:52:15] * TheMightyBuzzard goes back to the ever-growing thread
[01:52:17] <Subsentient> Ethanol-fueled: No, this is my systemd replacement: http://universe2.us
[01:52:24] <Subsentient> And it's done.
[01:52:27] <Subsentient> And it works. Good.
[01:52:32] <Subsentient> And I'm booted from it now.
[01:53:44] <juggs> Subsentient, Epoch is your init right? Where does NEXUS fit in?
[01:54:09] <Subsentient> juggs: Yes Epoch is my Init System. NEXUS is an IRC agreggator of sorts, but don't get confused.
[01:54:17] <arti> wat.
[01:54:23] <Subsentient> NEXUS is designed to merge multiple IRC devices into one nick on one server
[01:54:33] <Subsentient> so I can have xchat open on 12 devices
[01:54:33] <juggs> I always get confused - it's my forte :D
[01:54:42] <arti> so it's a bouncer?
[01:54:45] <juggs> ahh - irc proxy
[01:54:57] <Subsentient> and they all point to a NEXUS server, and NEXUS has all 12 clients treated as one
[01:55:04] <Subsentient> message Subsentient and all 12 IRC clients get it
[01:55:05] <juggs> nod nod
[01:55:58] <Subsentient> I often have multiple machines open and I get pissed at Subsentient Subsentient1 Subsentient2 Subsentient3 so NEXUS is my solution to that problem
[01:56:20] <arti> doing anything special with it?
[01:56:39] <arti> you mentioned c99
[01:56:53] <juggs> sounds neat. Not a problem I have, but I can definitely see it would be useful. Don't any of the existing bouncers cater for that?
[01:57:10] <Subsentient> I don't know.
[01:58:07] <Subsentient> I guess not
[01:58:16] <Subsentient> and a lot of BNC services seem to be pay anyways
[01:58:30] <arti> :/
[01:58:50] <Subsentient> NEXUS will require port forwarding if you want to use it outside your LAN but other than that, it's a pseudo-server.
[01:58:50] <juggs> host your own znc or psyBNC or w/e - no idea if the aggregate in the way you want though
[01:59:01] <Subsentient> From what I can tell, no.
[01:59:05] <arti> more code for the code god.
[01:59:21] <SpallsHurgenson> nothing that makes IRC easier to use is a good idea; IRC is enough of a time sink already
[01:59:40] <Subsentient> NEXUS will have just enough valid IRC protocol to get clients to play nice. I don't plan to read any fucking RFC.
[01:59:50] <juggs> lol
[01:59:50] <ciri> lol damn!
[01:59:50] <Subsentient> I didn't with aqu4 and I won't here either,
[02:00:15] <Subsentient> And aqu4's proven pretty damn stable :^3
[02:00:22] * arti sets subsentient +cowboy
[02:00:30] <juggs> Sounds like you are scratching an itch, good work
[02:05:21] <juggs> TMB, do you have Quakers in your heritage?
[02:05:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> no but i have some of their oats in my cabinet.
[02:06:33] <juggs> porridge is a good cold morning fooshing fuel
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[02:11:55] <SpallsHurgenson> fffffooooossshhhh!
[02:12:08] <SpallsHurgenson> I dunno what that means, but I like to say it: fooosh!
[02:13:43] <SirFinkus> oatis++
[02:13:43] <Bender> karma - oatis: 1
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[02:16:30] <SpallsHurgenson> Ms_Tessmacher++
[02:16:30] <Bender> karma - ms_tessmacher: 1
[02:16:53] <juggs> TMB, this discussion is turning out really great - interesting comments about using the api to build out 3rd party spam assassins and the like. I didn't think anyone was even watching what was going on with the api.
[02:17:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i know
[02:17:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> funkay
[02:17:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> i haven't hit any api discussion yet, still working my way down.
[02:17:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> takes a while when you stop to reply to half the posts.
[02:17:57] <juggs> Quite near the top https://soylentnews.org
[02:17:58] <NetCraft> ^ 03SN comment by Anonymous Coward
[02:22:03] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[02:22:03] <Bender> karma - tea: 296
[02:22:04] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[02:22:04] <Bender> karma - tea: 297
[02:22:35] <SpallsHurgenson> coffee++
[02:22:35] <Bender> karma - coffee: 886
[02:22:40] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm, cheating :)
[02:22:51] <JamesNZ> ;)
[02:23:13] * SpallsHurgenson pretends to be clever:
[02:23:14] <SpallsHurgenson> tea--
[02:23:14] <Bender> karma - tea: 296
[02:23:24] * SpallsHurgenson is unsurprised that did not work
[02:23:54] <juggs> you fooled ciri - you should be proud
[02:27:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> yays! finally done!
[02:30:45] <chromas> Now you have to start over
[02:30:52] <chromas> new comments; replies to your replies
[02:31:42] <juggs> Good work Buzzsaw. I feel I need to get hands on with The Experiment to comment - I always did need to tear stuff apart with my own hands rather than read about it though - I'm dumb like that :D
[02:33:26] <juggs> There seems to be a lot of names commenting that I haven't seen doing a lot of commenting before on this - that's really interesting
[02:36:56] <juggs> TMB, you do realise that most of your answers are setting yourself up for a shed load more work in the future :D
[02:42:34] <SpallsHurgenson> there's nothing wrong with giving TMB more work :)
[02:45:02] <juggs> We need minions in dev. TMB and paulej72 are carrying it right now - that's fragile - not saying they are fragile, just saying the amount of resource we have in that area is too little.
[02:45:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, noooooo shit.
[02:45:33] <SpallsHurgenson> TMB is sleeping 6 hours a day. He can do with less :)
[02:46:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> sleep's not an issue. only having about 5-6 good coding hours a day in me is.
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[02:46:31] <SpallsHurgenson> less coffee, more hard-core drugs
[02:46:38] <Ethanol-fueled> hard-core drugs!
[02:46:54] <Ethanol-fueled> (hardcore drugs)++
[02:46:55] <Bender> karma - (hardcore drugs): 1
[02:47:11] <Ethanol-fueled> heroin makes people whiny though.
[02:47:25] <Ethanol-fueled> you'd think it would make them as cool as it does in the movies.
[02:47:27] <SpallsHurgenson> c'mon juggs, don't go all easy on TheMightyBuzzard like NCommander did; work him till his eyes bleed :)
[02:47:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, just give em more and they stfu
[02:48:06] <Ethanol-fueled> hahah
[02:48:09] <Ethanol-fueled> True dat
[02:48:25] * SpallsHurgenson starts singing, "Where there's a whip <crack> there's a way!"
[02:48:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson++ for remembering that
[02:48:40] <Bender> karma - spallshurgenson: 9
[02:50:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Los Angeles Schools iPad Program Target of Federal Criminal Probe - http://sylnt.us - too-good-to-be-true
[02:50:27] <Ethanol-fueled> Good story.
[02:50:35] <SirFinkus> jenna_fischer_seasons_one_through_four++
[02:50:35] <Bender> karma - jenna_fischer_seasons_one_through_four: 1
[02:50:48] <SirFinkus> 5 was ok, but there was a dropoff
[02:50:54] <Ethanol-fueled> Two of America's most evil corporations, Apple and Pearson, robbing the taxpayers blind.
[02:51:18] <Ethanol-fueled> The "P" in Pearson stands for "product placement"
[02:51:38] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, I'd rather TMB stuck around than his eyes fall out.
[02:51:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> i like to think we're the most evil corporation. we had a volcano lair kickstarter even.
[02:51:57] <Ethanol-fueled> You guys aren't evil yet.
[02:51:59] <juggs> hm... I bottled that
[02:52:18] <Ethanol-fueled> At least, you're doing a good job of playing it off if you are.
[02:52:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> just you wait till we get the sharks and laser beams in...
[02:52:38] <SirFinkus> or the dice ads in the sidebar
[02:52:49] <SpallsHurgenson> chain him to his desk first, THEN make his eyes bleed :)
[02:53:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooooooh, that is so going on the april 1 list
[02:53:24] * Ethanol-fueled likes that tradition
[02:54:56] <Ethanol-fueled> hahah with a fake story saying you were bought by Dice
[02:55:15] <Ethanol-fueled> then you could use the "timothy" account to post in the discussion.
[02:55:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> see now thas proper evil
[02:56:42] <Ethanol-fueled> you guys have the "timothy" username on reserve, right?
[02:56:43] <SirFinkus> it might be more subtle if it was monster or something
[02:57:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, i really dunno but we're not sysadmins for nothing.
[02:57:27] <Ethanol-fueled> Good point, Buzzard.
[02:58:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> change the password hash to the same as mine, post, change it back when done
[02:58:33] <Ethanol-fueled> hahaha
[02:58:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth be known, my password suuuucks. one of the reasons i don't give myself site admin powers.
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[02:59:09] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, that's a smart move.
[02:59:40] <chromas> TheMightyPassword
[02:59:59] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, don't sell yourself short TMB. Your password probably isn't that bad. Here, tell us what it is and let us judge for ourselves
[03:00:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not the same one you have on your luggage
[03:00:50] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, if it has a number or a non-alphanumeric character it's not bad.
[03:01:00] <SpallsHurgenson> Is it hunter6 ?
[03:01:06] <NetCraft> TheMightyBuzzard: Heya! I've got me a password checkerator module so if you wanna go ahead and pm it to me I can fix ya right up!
[03:01:19] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[03:01:25] <SirFinkus> password1
[03:01:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, with me it'd be more like foosh1es
[03:01:42] <Subsentient> I now have NEXUS supporting single-client pass-through for IRC.
[03:01:47] <SirFinkus> I have the poop emoji in mine
[03:01:48] <SpallsHurgenson> everybody in this channel is so helpful!
[03:01:49] <Subsentient> Still utterly useless but it works so far
[03:01:51] * Ethanol-fueled giggles sheepishly that we actually did what NetCraft did in the early 2000s and got plenty of serious replies.
[03:01:59] <Leebert> c'mon, timothy is a nice guy.
[03:02:11] <Ethanol-fueled> Leebert, timothy is NOT a nice guy.
[03:02:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, that was quick, good work.
[03:02:25] <Leebert> because...?
[03:02:51] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: It's currently mostly composed of throwaway proof-of-concept code. I'm reading data literally one byte per recv() call.
[03:03:13] <Subsentient> Because of the nature of IRC and how I'd like to process this data, that's optimal.
[03:03:15] <Ethanol-fueled> timothy has no tact, in his "beta is here to stay, so suck it users" discussion only served to inflame the community.
[03:03:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> yerk
[03:03:41] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: It's done so that I can only read in full lines, deal with it, and then only read in full lines again.
[03:03:59] <Ethanol-fueled> he wou;d have had much more support had he adopted a more conciliatory and regretful tone.
[03:04:09] <Ethanol-fueled> In his screed he revealed his contempt for the users.
[03:04:22] <Leebert> I don't recall seeing that. But I do find it amusing to hear the venerable Ethanol-fueled denegrating other people's level of tact. :)
[03:04:49] <Ethanol-fueled> Leebert, he said it in a nice way but was still condescending and showed contempt.
[03:05:05] <SirFinkus> well, I think a lot of the time Ethanol-fueled's intent is to inflame, not pacify
[03:05:07] <Leebert> But for what it's worth, I consider timothy a friend, and one of the good guys (to the extent there are any left) at /.
[03:05:48] <Ethanol-fueled> Look at it from the perspective of an outsider without a stake in the situation. You'
[03:06:20] <Leebert> Not having seen what he said, I don't know why he said it. But it could well be a "I've tried, I've failed, it ain't gonna happen" attitude coming through.
[03:06:41] <Ethanol-fueled> you're telling a community they're gonna die, and then they start bleeding to death. Do you try to slow or stop the bleeding, or do you take a hatchet to them?
[03:06:46] <Leebert> Never discussed Beta with him, though, so maybe he did in fact think it was the bee's knees.
[03:07:31] <Ethanol-fueled> Read between the lines, leebert. Didn't you think it was funny that timothy started having a greater and greater share of the stories posted?
[03:07:55] <Leebert> *shrug* I didn't notice.
[03:08:30] <Leebert> But it isn't like they have a lot of editorial depth there.
[03:09:07] <Leebert> Haven't visited in a while, but since unknown_lamer finally quit, I can't imagine there's much left in terms of editorial skill.
[03:10:29] <Ethanol-fueled> Slashdot is a rotting carcass.
[03:10:38] <Leebert> On this, we agree.
[03:11:48] <Ethanol-fueled> But I'm convinced that they cashed out way before any of us were privy to it.
[03:12:27] <SirFinkus> isn't that the way it always works?
[03:13:19] <Leebert> "cashed out"? How so? Did timothy have any equity in slashdot?
[03:13:50] <Leebert> never really talked about that with him, but I was always under the impression that it was Malda's site exclusively.
[03:13:58] <Ethanol-fueled> timothy was the guy from Dice brought in to learn the lingo and procedures.
[03:14:13] <Ethanol-fueled> Malda was the first to bail.
[03:14:34] <Ethanol-fueled> (well, excluding KDawson and Michael)
[03:14:57] <Ethanol-fueled> Is that correct? There has to be somebody here who is hardcore into Slashdot history.
[03:15:05] <Leebert> I don't think it is.
[03:15:18] <Leebert> Wikipedia has the Dice acquisition being in September 2012.
[03:15:26] <Leebert> Timothy has been around far longer than that.
[03:16:13] <Ethanol-fueled> that's the point. In those types of situations you keep the deal secret to the public, then bring in a guy from the buyer to learn how the operation is run.
[03:17:36] <Leebert> Eh, I still don't buy it.
[03:17:45] <Leebert> Timothy harkened back to the SourceForge days.
[03:17:58] <Ethanol-fueled> Did he? Huh.
[03:17:59] <Leebert> WAY before Dice ever dreamed of buying it.
[03:18:14] <Leebert> Yeah, that's how I got to know him.
[03:18:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> so did cowboyneal and i've got some arse to kick upon him for some of the code i've found
[03:19:11] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahah, I knew Cowboyneal was one of the oldheads, even if he was relagated to the subject of bad poll jokes.
[03:19:18] <Leebert> Yikes, looking at his LinkedIn he was there longer than I realized. Says SourceForge since 2000.
[03:20:14] <Ethanol-fueled> Well, I could be full of shit. You guys likely know some people and things I don't.
[03:20:25] <Leebert> Anyway, my point is that timothy is, if anything, either just beaten down, or in "fuck it just mail me my paycheck" mode.
[03:20:40] <Ethanol-fueled> If you have any inside information you could legally share, you'd probably have a lot of interest in being heard.
[03:20:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> hells yeah. fuck it, juggs, just mail me my paycheck.
[03:21:21] <Leebert> I admittedly don't pay much attention to slashdot-related stuff anymore. Especially since lamer quit and he stopped complaining daily about /. on IRC. :)
[03:21:42] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, SN developers get a paycheck?
[03:21:58] <Leebert> Ethanol-fueled: they get all the time off they want for fishing.
[03:22:01] <Leebert> what more do they need?
[03:22:08] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, only once you have done your 40 years of servitude, you now this... now back to coding you naughty tyke.
[03:22:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, shhhhh, don't tell juggs!
[03:22:33] <JamesNZ> Paycheck? I need to learn me some Perl!
[03:22:53] <Leebert> Ethanol-fueled: But as to insider information, not really. At least, nothing that wasn't told in confidence. :) Suffice it to say, Dice is in my "evil" bucket.
[03:23:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't take much talent to write slash code, judging by some of the stuff i've found.
[03:23:30] <JamesNZ> Heh.
[03:23:31] <Ethanol-fueled> Leebert, timothy became the de-facto face of Slashdot's unfortunate transformation.
[03:23:44] <Ethanol-fueled> Plus, I'm an anti-semite. :)
[03:23:56] <Leebert> No argument there. On the timothy being the face thing.
[03:23:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm anti-semtec
[03:24:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> c4++
[03:24:17] <Bender> karma - c4: 1
[03:24:23] <Ethanol-fueled> hahah Buzzard.
[03:24:32] <Leebert> from what I recall, now that you mention it, it is coming back to me a bit that he posted a few stories about it.
[03:24:39] * JamesNZ sets the JIDF on Ethanol-fueled
[03:24:55] <Ethanol-fueled> JamesNZ: It's all disinfo on the internet.
[03:25:19] <JamesNZ> Ethanol-fueled: I was quite amazed to learn it actually exists.
[03:25:38] <Leebert> I don't want to draw out any discussion about /. I just wanted to make sure timothy wasn't being unfairly judged.
[03:26:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> someone unfairly judged by Ethanol-fueled?! never happen.
[03:26:13] <JamesNZ> :D
[03:26:14] <Leebert> Which I would totally do if someone ever badmouthed juggs.
[03:26:16] <Ethanol-fueled> Leebert, that is fair enough. I don't know timothy personally.
[03:26:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs++
[03:26:28] <Bender> karma - juggs: 46
[03:26:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> and since it always reminds me...
[03:26:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> bewbs++
[03:26:45] <Bender> karma - bewbs: 34
[03:27:03] * Leebert fist bumps Ethanol-fueled
[03:27:04] * juggs deactivates notifications on mention
[03:27:35] <Ethanol-fueled> smart move, juggs. I bet you guys leave your computers on all night, you don't even turn them off before you go to bed.
[03:27:39] <Leebert> juggs: why would you ever do that?
[03:27:49] <Ethanol-fueled> hearing all those blips and beeps
[03:28:05] <Leebert> Ethanol-fueled: you thinks juggs should have done that, huh?
[03:28:09] * SpallsHurgenson perks up, "Bewbs?"
[03:28:15] * Ethanol-fueled is not important enough to leave his computer on all night
[03:28:25] <Leebert> I don't allow my computer to make noise.
[03:28:28] <Leebert> End of problem.
[03:28:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> i leave mine on all night for the white noise and the minecraft server it runs
[03:28:56] * SpallsHurgenson imagines Leebert threatening his PC with a gun and a roll of duct tape
[03:28:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus that's when updatedb and makewhatis and shit run
[03:29:04] <Leebert> I do remember the days of sleeping in my parent's basement and hearing the computer all night.
[03:29:23] <Leebert> More than once I woke up at some ungodly hour startled by unexpected disk activity
[03:29:29] <Ethanol-fueled> there's an urban legend that leaving a computer on is more healthy for it because the initial charging of the capacitors ages the computer faster
[03:29:52] <Leebert> Ethanol-fueled: I remember it being thermal stresses
[03:30:11] <SpallsHurgenson> Leebert: these days it would probably be less noise than flashing LEDs
[03:30:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> and spinning up/down the drives repeatedly is not a good thing for them
[03:30:34] <Leebert> SpallsHurgenson: OMG THE BLUE LEDs
[03:30:36] <Leebert> Why???
[03:30:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> pffft, if your computer doesn't sound like a vacuum cleaner, you're doing cooling wrong.
[03:30:59] <SpallsHurgenson> without turning my head I can see 15 LEDs of various colors. I couldn't imagine trying to sleep with those
[03:31:20] <JamesNZ> Someone actually mistook my lappie's fan for a neighbours vacuum cleaner.
[03:32:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> outstanding
[03:32:28] <Ethanol-fueled> Common boxen don't need any other fans than a CPU fan. Everything else is just trying to sell you shit. Agree?
[03:32:29] <SpallsHurgenson> https://www.youtube.com
[03:32:29] <NetCraft> ^ 03Beeping flashing Shatner - YouTube
[03:35:07] <Leebert> Ethanol-fueled: Not really in my case... My virtual server at home has 5 hard drives in it and I don't have air conditioning in my house.
[03:35:40] <Leebert> Needless to say some July and August days make for a warm office. :)
[03:35:45] <Ethanol-fueled> Leebert, I'm too retarded to consider that setup "common."
[03:35:53] <Leebert> lol
[03:36:11] <Ethanol-fueled> common = 1 or 2 hard drives, 1 processor, 1 graphics card
[03:36:13] <Leebert> Well, you're a southern californian, "no air conditioning" doesn't really compute with you guys. :)
[03:36:28] <Leebert> But fair point, I glossed over "common"
[03:37:16] <chromas> :( I got back too late to toss out a T-t-Timmay!
[03:37:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> sweet, mine's not common then
[03:38:07] <Ethanol-fueled> being retarded is so depressing it's driving me to drink. Be back in a few.
[03:38:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i have like five myself
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[03:42:37] <juggs> I think I'm letting the NCommander spirit down already. My request for Perl devs was all too needy and not masterful at all :(
[03:43:00] * juggs goes for public speaking tuition
[03:43:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> You already write it up?
[03:43:44] <juggs> in the Q somewhere. I grant you the full authority to have Eds kill it before it goes live though.
[03:43:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, thas fine
[03:44:00] <chromas> juggs: just make sure we have to scroll to read the whole thing
[03:45:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd have even mentioned that we have entirely one dev, one team leader, and one bytram
[03:46:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> but then i get to taking it personal every time i check the size of the issues queue.
[03:47:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> we could also use a web dev or two for to do up css and such. audioguy is a whiz at it but he's otherwise busy pretty often.
[03:48:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i still say we wrangle crutchy, chromas, and konomi onto the team
[03:50:18] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, you think that's OK? I thought it was a bit "silly" - but then I was never one for formalities.
[03:50:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> hi, have we met? i had to backspace more than once to remove the word "fuck" from my post.
[03:51:26] <chromas> Bender: grab TheMightyBuzzard
[03:51:26] <Bender> Added quote 290
[03:52:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'all good
[03:52:05] <juggs> I didn't have that moment - I was more going for the Kitchener poster pointy finger vibe poster feel.
[03:52:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> !quote 275
[03:52:12] <Bender> Quote 275 - <crutchy> paulej72 is the butt
[03:52:45] <juggs> http://www.iwmshop.org.uk
[03:52:56] <juggs> ^^ that kinda stupid thing
[03:53:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[03:53:14] <chromas> Mustache Power, Activate!
[03:53:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> could have thrown an image in if you had editor powah
[03:53:43] <SpallsHurgenson> god, a mustache like that would drive me insane
[03:53:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> say "by the power of greyskull" and it's yours
[03:53:46] <juggs> ehh whatever - at least I'm not throwing chairs around
[03:53:57] <chromas> quick, tmb, take a photo of yourself pointing with one hand, fish in the other
[03:54:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> don have a foosh handy, would have to photoshop
[03:54:34] <juggs> By the power of Buzzard's Beard - YOU will learn pearl... and to fish at weekends.
[03:54:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com
[03:54:53] <SpallsHurgenson> (huh, firefox 34 broke flashblock)
[03:55:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> lil being a 18" in this case
[03:55:19] * juggs notes too many tabs
[03:55:22] * SpallsHurgenson wonders if that fish can sing
[03:55:59] <chromas> animated fish.joof
[03:56:16] <Ethanol-fueled> Juggs, that is what you call a "hipster mustache"
[03:56:24] * Konomi hides
[03:56:39] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, that a smallmouth bass?
[03:56:56] <SpallsHurgenson> Konomi has mustachophobia
[03:57:12] * JamesNZ passes scissors around
[03:57:21] <juggs> Ethanol-fueled, that's a moustache of real men!
[03:57:40] <Konomi> fishy
[03:58:07] <SpallsHurgenson> don't be silly Konomi; fish don't have mustaches!
[03:58:16] <Ethanol-fueled> spalls - catfish do.
[03:58:25] <Konomi> nods
[03:58:28] <Konomi> carp also do too
[03:58:41] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.eaglesnestoutfittersinc.com
[03:59:02] <SpallsHurgenson> barbels ain't mustaches!
[03:59:06] <Konomi> https://en.wikipedia.org
[03:59:10] <SpallsHurgenson> they are terrible for straining soup, for one thing
[03:59:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, largemouth. can tell by how the jawbone extends back past the eye
[03:59:41] <SpallsHurgenson> and it hurts like the dickens when you take a razor to a barbel :)
[04:00:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> Only ever caught one smallmouth out of that lake but it was a little bigger than that one. Maybe three pounds.
[04:00:24] <Ethanol-fueled> that's not cool, spalls. It's like pulling the wings off a fly. There's no sport in it at all.
[04:00:34] <Konomi> wonder if that fish picks up hbo
[04:01:11] * SpallsHurgenson learns that "the dickens" is probably a substitute for "the devil". I was always wondering about that
[04:01:17] * TheMightyBuzzard skips off cat wrangling
[04:01:33] <SpallsHurgenson> (where values of "always" equal "the last twenty seconds or so")
[04:02:30] * SpallsHurgenson deals in very short infinities :)
[04:03:59] <SpallsHurgenson> huh, Microsoft is considering subscriptions to Win10. http://arstechnica.com
[04:04:00] <NetCraft> ^ 03Microsoft makes a nod to subscriptions for Windows 10 | Ars Technica
[04:04:34] <Ethanol-fueled> Spalls, I get the feeling that the big boys will be on Se7en for a while now.
[04:04:38] <SpallsHurgenson> "well, people were already comparing it to Win7 and we couldn't have that; our new business model is to make products NOBODY wants, like Vista, ribbon-bars, Zunes, and Win8"
[04:04:56] <Ethanol-fueled> Se7en will probably be the next XP - good enough and used to death.
[04:05:44] <Ethanol-fueled> You can't blame Microsoft for trying to innovate, though.
[04:06:24] <SpallsHurgenson> people were already queuing up for Win10 in the hopes it wouldn't suck; it's like MS is trying to lose customers. Did Dice buy out Microsoft or something?
[04:06:51] <Ethanol-fueled> It's a mad world, Spalls. It's the experiments of Calhoun coming to their logical conclusion.
[04:08:02] <Ethanol-fueled> Not John C. Calhoun but John B. Calhoun.
[04:08:19] <Ethanol-fueled> http://en.wikipedia.org
[04:08:19] <NetCraft> ^ 03Wiki: John B. Calhoun
[04:08:21] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm... insulted MS, no response. insulted dice, no response. maybe people will wake up if I suggest win10 will use systemd :)
[04:09:28] <Ethanol-fueled> "The conclusions drawn from this experiment were that when all available space is taken and all social roles filled, competition and the stresses experienced by the individuals will result in a total breakdown in complex social behaviors, ultimately resulting in the demise of the population."
[04:09:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> they need to produce a linux distro. would save them tons of money.
[04:09:30] <chromas> ooh, an Apple product: systemd 7
[04:09:42] <SpallsHurgenson> iSystemD :)
[04:09:56] <chromas> or as ef would say, se-seven-en
[04:10:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> i like 7 cause it reminds me of 7ofBewbs
[04:10:48] <SpallsHurgenson> o_0
[04:10:54] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, did you know that Jeri Ryan's boyfriend made her do things in clubs?
[04:10:57] <Ethanol-fueled> IN public?
[04:11:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> no but can you blame him?
[04:11:32] <Ethanol-fueled> Absolutely not. I'm jealous.
[04:11:47] <SpallsHurgenson> 7 bewbs....
[04:11:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[04:11:49] * SpallsHurgenson imagines something like Eccentrica Gallumbits, the triple-breasted whore of Eroticon Six (from HHGttG), except moreso
[04:12:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, more trek for you
[04:12:17] <SpallsHurgenson> poor woman must need a backbrace :)
[04:12:58] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm a Crusher guy myself, but trek had many hot babes over the years.
[04:13:02] <chromas> Did Regurgitator just scoop Bender?
[04:13:17] <Ethanol-fueled> The uniforms for women got worse further into the future. :(
[04:13:52] <SpallsHurgenson> chromas: I understand the individual words, but put together like that I am left quite confused :)
[04:14:06] <Ethanol-fueled> (three boobed woman from Total Recall)++
[04:14:06] <Bender> karma - (three boobed woman from total recall): 1
[04:14:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, possibly. bender has to wait on the rss feed to be generated
[04:14:31] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: the Regurgitator bot who watches many news feeds popped up with the latest SN posts. I didn't see Bender mention it yet
[04:14:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> then has his own timer
[04:15:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> just because: http://images2.fanpop.com
[04:15:24] * SpallsHurgenson saw no popping
[04:16:24] <SpallsHurgenson> geez, either they don't feed that woman or she's been photoshopped near to death
[04:16:38] <chromas> nothin' wrong with that
[04:16:50] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHAHAHAH cromas, you sick sonofabitch
[04:17:11] * chromas drops a link to the Whitest Kids U Known
[04:17:20] <chromas> -n
[04:17:26] <Ethanol-fueled> Spalls, I am in agreement with you -- i like my girls wth a lil meat on 'em
[04:17:34] <SpallsHurgenson> I've seen barbie dolls with more realistic physiques than that
[04:18:09] <Ethanol-fueled> Like this hot babe:
[04:18:10] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[04:18:11] <NetCraft> ^ 03Star Trek TNG: Worf "Melota" - YouTube
[04:18:17] <SpallsHurgenson> seriously, I'm wondering if her head pops off if you give it a tug.
[04:18:51] <chromas> http://s9.thisnext.com
[04:19:17] <chromas> oh, you said 'tug' not 'squeeze'. different doll
[04:21:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - French Publishers Prepare Lawsuit against Adblock Plus - http://sylnt.us - feeding-the-hand-that-bites-you
[04:23:37] <SpallsHurgenson> another weird lawsuit: http://arstechnica.com
[04:23:38] <NetCraft> ^ 03General George Patton’s rights holders go to war with video game maker | Ars Technica
[04:25:22] <Ethanol-fueled> "Rights holders" can get fucked.
[04:25:33] <ar> http://i.imgur.com - huh
[04:25:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> ars can get fucked too
[04:27:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> got half a mind to submit this: http://www.theregister.co.uk
[04:27:19] <NetCraft> ^ 03Which country has 2nd largest social welfare system in the world? • The Register
[04:27:58] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahah Buzzard, that would be asking for a troll-fight
[04:28:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know, would be pretty fun
[04:28:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> haven't smacked a libtard around in a while
[04:28:41] <Ethanol-fueled> fuckign libs.
[04:30:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, think i'll have me a sleep and see if i can get that pull request for mod work finished up and merged tomorrow.
[04:30:46] <Ethanol-fueled> Later, bro.
[04:35:21] * SpallsHurgenson gives the radiator a poke. Come on, ya stupid thing, I got icicles growing in my barbels!
[04:36:36] * juggs leaves yet another 15 TOG duvet in SpallsHurgenson's way as a clue.
[04:42:49] * SpallsHurgenson fires up a few more computers instead :)
[04:44:05] <SpallsHurgenson> it's either that or move my ass :)
[04:45:51] <juggs> The duvets will serve better when the power goes out.....
[04:46:14] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm not sure I understand that concept
[04:46:43] <juggs> ah well
[04:47:21] <juggs> I'm off to duvet dreams
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[05:10:59] <SeriousLagg> TheMightyBuzzard, NCommander, etc.: I'm pretty sure someone is impersonating Ethanol-fueled. Don't know what the rules are on that but couldn't hurt to mention it. http://soylentnews.org
[05:10:59] <NetCraft> ^ 03SN comment by Anonymous Coward
[05:12:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> no rules that i'm aware of. pretty obvious it's an AC and not EF.
[05:13:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> now if he had been going around saying nice things about jews under his own nick, that we'd have to do something about. like call his shrink and ask if he was okay.
[05:13:54] <chromas> With the mod changes, will there be any way to lose karma besides getting the spankerchief for bad spam mods?
[05:14:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, no and that kinda bugs me.
[05:15:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> really do need to get some sleep now though. gotta get up in like 5.5 hours
[05:15:48] <chromas> Noight, sir
[05:16:09] <SeriousLagg> Mkay then. I doubt he cares anyway o/
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[05:31:46] <JamesNZ> slime++
[05:31:46] <Bender> karma - slime: 2
[05:32:51] <chromas> pink_slime++ ?
[05:32:51] <Bender> karma - pink_slime: 1
[05:59:41] <ar> https://www.imperialviolet.org
[05:59:46] <NetCraft> ^ 03ImperialViolet - The POODLE bites again
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[06:15:01] <ar> https://github.com
[06:15:02] <NetCraft> ^ 03snapchat-decrypt/README.md at master · programa-stic/snapchat-decrypt · GitHub
[06:15:05] <ar> >The key is generated from a MD5 hash using the Android ID concatenated with the string 'seems legit...'.
[06:22:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Manager Gets Year in Jail and $4.5m Fine for Selling Industry Secrets - http://sylnt.us - just-the-cost-of-buisness
[06:23:34] <chromas> it's buisness time
[06:23:45] <chromas> Got my buisness socks on
[06:30:20] <ar> http://www.nybooks.com
[06:30:22] <NetCraft> ^ 03How He and His Cronies Stole Russia by Anne Applebaum | The New York Review of Books
[06:38:06] <crutchy> vegemite_with_crumpets++
[06:38:06] <Bender> karma - vegemite_with_crumpets: 1
[06:38:59] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[06:38:59] <Bender> karma - tea: 297
[06:39:00] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[06:39:00] <Bender> karma - tea: 298
[06:39:54] <crutchy> there is a disturbing pattern to your karmas. do you have sheep pressing keys for you?
[06:41:07] <JamesNZ> Shhh! It's a secret!
[06:41:24] <JamesNZ> coffee-- # Caaaaan't let anyone know.
[06:41:24] <Bender> karma - tea: 299
[06:42:02] <chromas> Are they…sheepish?
[06:42:04] * crutchy wonders where jugg's submission is?
[06:42:29] <crutchy> after backlog scroll
[06:43:39] <crutchy> eep
[06:43:49] <crutchy> i think i found a bug
[06:44:02] <JamesNZ> Squish it quick!
[06:44:09] <chromas> in xchat?
[06:44:17] * crutchy trundles off to test it on dev to see if tmb already squished it
[06:45:10] <crutchy> hmm nope still happens on dev
[06:47:15] <crutchy> oooh themightybot has slashcode issue creation powahs
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[06:49:26] <crutchy> hmm. it needs option to set issue title
[06:51:06] <Konomi> caffeine++
[06:51:07] <Bender> karma - caffeine: 62
[06:51:18] <crutchy> ~slashcode-issue Changing threshold/breakthrough in poll collapses poll results, Not sure if its intended behavior but it was unexpected. Would be nice to keep poll results above comments if threshold/breakthrough is changed.
[06:51:20] <exec> https://github.com
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[07:16:31] <swiss> woot will be the death of me
[07:16:35] <swiss> i now have a bidet coming
[07:17:36] <crutchy> ~define bidet
[07:17:37] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3bidet: A Polish drinking fountain.
[07:17:49] <crutchy> oh that sort of bidet
[07:22:20] <crutchy> ~join #test
[07:23:26] <ar> no, it's not a drinking fountain
[07:23:39] <ar> you clean your ass
[07:23:41] <ar> erm
[07:23:44] <ar> you clean your ass there
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[07:31:10] <crutchy> ass drinking fountain
[07:32:03] <crutchy> at least its not an ass fountain
[07:32:39] <crutchy> tama, yo mama eats so much fruit she has an ass fountain
[07:38:58] <chromas> ~g'day-add-container ass fountain
[07:39:13] <crutchy> lol
[07:39:35] <crutchy> that could be a beverage too :[
[07:40:43] <chromas> a bidet of mountain dew
[07:41:06] <crutchy> of fountain poo?
[07:41:48] <chromas> Have you played Conker's Bad Fur Day?
[07:42:11] <crutchy> nope
[07:42:28] <chromas> BRRRING ME SOME SWEET CORN!
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[07:58:33] <JamesNZ> recursion++
[07:58:33] <Bender> karma - recursion: 1
[08:23:04] <Konomi> tranquiliser_dart++
[08:23:04] <Bender> karma - tranquiliser_dart: 1
[08:24:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Intel to Upgrade Chip-Test Plant in China - http://sylnt.us - micro-crisps
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[10:09:53] <keplr> I wish someone could submit a story about Wikipeida, but no source is covering it.
[10:10:03] <keplr> There's a problem with their policy
[10:10:09] <crutchy> the begathon?
[10:10:22] <crutchy> oh. what's up with their policy?
[10:10:24] <keplr> No, it's related to #GamerGate
[10:10:37] <crutchy> there's about a million wp policies :/
[10:10:50] <keplr> Well the one that bothers me is this
[10:10:54] <ar> each wikipedia page has its own policy
[10:11:00] <keplr> They only allow reliable sources
[10:11:17] <chromas> That's pretty terrible
[10:11:17] <keplr> Which are currently being accused of bias
[10:11:17] <crutchy> hah
[10:11:33] <keplr> Then they use those sources to prove that they're not biased
[10:11:48] <crutchy> that is their policy, but there are so many articles that flout it that it may as well not be
[10:12:02] <keplr> Well this article has been under siege for months
[10:12:13] <crutchy> the real policy is: whoever can bully everyone else decides what goes in the article
[10:12:14] <keplr> The talk page is longer than the article
[10:13:10] <keplr> And everyone against GG is just rules lawyering. They're not making actual logical arguments.
[10:13:30] <keplr> But since WP uses a set of standards, no one can challenge them since they're following the letter of the law.
[10:13:41] <crutchy> article content is usually dictated by campers with nothing better to do than revert any changes they don't like and game the system if anyone challenges them
[10:14:13] <keplr> This article has gone all the way up to Wales
[10:14:55] <keplr> He's mostly aloof
[10:15:11] <crutchy> its the problem with too much government in general: the more laws you make, the more those laws can be bent to suit special interests to the disadvantage of everyone else, and the special interests usually get away with breaking them
[10:15:36] <keplr> The alternative seems to be anarchy which wouldn't get anything done at all.
[10:15:50] <chromas> fork wikipedia!
[10:15:54] <crutchy> laws are generally made with good intention, but there are always unintended consequences]
[10:16:12] <crutchy> no, the alternative is a limited number of rules
[10:16:25] <crutchy> there doesn't have to be all or nothing
[10:16:50] <keplr> I'm not sure what to do about this one. WP is based on sources, but what do you do when all the sources have cirlces the wagons and procted each other and created a false narrative?
[10:17:11] <crutchy> that's why gpl2 is so successful. its very loose, with only a very small number of rules
[10:17:37] <keplr> I'm very happy The Kernel is still GPL2.
[10:17:52] <keplr> I'm not a blind FSF follower.
[10:17:59] <crutchy> ive heard linus' take on it. he seems like a practical kinda guy
[10:18:21] <crutchy> that's the thing; FSF is a special interest
[10:18:25] <keplr> He does, and I love his stance on free expression. That's the closest to a litmus test I have.
[10:19:35] <crutchy> gpl3 made more rules that the FSF can use to bully others for its own political agendas, similar to wp policies
[10:20:13] <crutchy> even though the extra rules were likely made with good intentions
[10:21:27] <ar> hell is full of people who had good intentions
[10:21:33] <crutchy> ^
[10:23:04] <crutchy> if wikipedia renounced a bunch of their bullshit rules and policies, there would still be people maintaining good quality articles (they aren't doing it at the moment because of wp policies anyway) but there would be less for special interests, trolls and bullies to game with
[10:25:33] <crutchy> its like the marajuana debate; some people seem to think that without laws banning marajuana, everyone would be out there smoking it. that somehow laws are needed to prevent most people from doing stupid stuff. they don't seem to realize that stupid people will do stupid stuff regardless of laws, and everyone else wouldn't change their behavior in the absence of laws
[10:27:43] <chromas> hah! we have that here in washington still
[10:28:48] <chromas> Evidence rolls in that it's just fine and we've still got cops trying to sell the idea we're gonna have kids driving around stoned ('cause nobody was already doing that)
[10:28:59] <crutchy> lol
[10:28:59] <ciri> it's not that funny :)
[10:29:16] <crutchy> yeah cos we all need laws to stop us from driving around stoned :/
[10:29:41] <ar> laws aren't going to stop anyone from driving a car when stoned
[10:29:47] <chromas> Now Oregon, Alaska (now that NC moved away) voted to legalize too, so now they're making the same predictions—well, at least OR
[10:30:12] <crutchy> same as alcohol. even though i kinda like that the police are out there getting drink drivers off the roads, i don't think laws have reduced drink driving; i think its more of a cultural shift due to negative publicity
[10:30:16] <chromas> and I know for sure nobody gets high in Portland Oregon
[10:30:26] <ar> you don't actually need a licence to drive a car. you need a car, fuel and keys. the latter being optional
[10:30:52] <crutchy> its no longer as cool to drink and drive as it used to be
[10:31:04] <chromas> that's 'cause you're older now
[10:31:11] <crutchy> but idiots still do it. laws will never protect us from idiots
[10:31:16] <ar> don't drink and derive?
[10:31:25] <chromas> :)
[10:31:37] <crutchy> differentiation is bad, mkay :p
[10:31:47] <chromas> mathonol
[10:32:52] <crutchy> if you're under the influence of trying to work out a derivative while driving, you're a higher risk of driving into a roadside calculator stand
[10:35:18] <chromas> you might lose traction and slide rule and go off on a tangent
[10:41:22] <crutchy> or transfer function your state space into a probability tree
[10:46:37] <Konomi> you arrest people and make laws against driving drunk because it's more effective than doing nothing
[10:47:01] <Konomi> it doesn't have to be perfect it just has to reduce the risk
[10:47:54] <chromas> But did drunk driving incidents go up when alcohol was re-legalized?
[10:48:05] <Konomi> not sure old data
[10:48:09] <Konomi> and only for the usa
[10:48:15] <Konomi> I don't think our country had prohibition
[10:48:53] <Konomi> yep legal since settlement
[10:50:19] <crutchy> the drink driving ads have had a bigger impact than any laws
[10:50:26] <crutchy> people still break laws
[10:50:47] <Konomi> that is obvious
[10:51:43] <crutchy> police stop a few, but likely a very small percentage. booze buses stick out like dogs balls. even drunk people can see them from a mile away
[10:52:45] <crutchy> some idiots get caught, and that's good. but cultural shift is more effective
[10:53:08] <crutchy> your mates are more likely to stop you drink driving than threat of getting caught by police
[10:53:09] <Konomi> I doubt that will come in our country
[10:53:18] <crutchy> it already has
[10:53:19] <Konomi> alcohol is a badly ingrained in australia culture
[10:53:30] <crutchy> it was much worse 30 years ago'
[10:53:35] <Konomi> I just recently read an article in the guardian that was interviewing emergancy stuff
[10:53:41] <Konomi> some of the stuff they see is beyond horrific
[10:53:52] <Konomi> the abc did some specials awhile back too that would turn your stomach
[10:54:01] <crutchy> no doubt
[10:54:16] <Konomi> in fact
[10:54:17] <crutchy> a lot of what goes on in hospitals is due to alcohol outside cars too though
[10:54:19] <Konomi> still in my browser
[10:54:20] <Konomi> http://www.theguardian.com
[10:54:21] <NetCraft> ^ 03Australia's alcohol problem fills doctors with dread at Christmas time | Ranjana Srivastava | Comment is free | The Guardian
[10:54:48] <chromas> Australia doesn't have an alcohol problem—it has an alcohol solution!
[10:54:53] <crutchy> aussies like to drink, but they're less likely to drink and drive today than they were years ago
[10:55:19] <Konomi> yeah sadly the almost killing themselves with over consumption has gone up
[10:55:53] <crutchy> laws wont fix that
[10:56:07] <Konomi> well you were talking about a culture shift I wasn't thinking of laws ;p
[10:56:53] <crutchy> a cultural shift is needed. i'm not sure how. i just know that the TAC ads have been effective in changing people's opinions about how cool it was to drink and drive
[10:57:26] <crutchy> maybe similarly graphic ads could change other aspects of alcohol abuse over time too
[10:58:10] <crutchy> i think graphic ads have also had a cultural impact on attitudes towards cigarettes
[11:00:21] <Konomi> ha greens picked up another seat in victoria
[11:00:25] <Konomi> from 0 seats to 2
[11:00:39] <Konomi> 41 votes difference talk about closs
[11:00:41] <Konomi> close*
[11:01:32] <crutchy> ultimately local communities need to step up and play a role. if families are being broken by alcohol, communities need to support them and find local solutions as they will be far more effective than any federally sanctioned bureaucracy
[11:02:09] <crutchy> football clubs are one critical aspect, as alcohol cultures often stem from involvement in local sport
[11:02:16] <Konomi> yep
[11:02:28] <Konomi> all my social gatherings that I used to go to before I said fuck it was basically
[11:02:37] <Konomi> step 1. show up step 2. get drunk
[11:02:38] <Konomi> the end
[11:02:59] <Konomi> I got sick of being around drunken idiots and just stopped "going out" which is really code for "get drunk" in australia
[11:03:15] <crutchy> but if it wasn't cool you wouldn't have done it. peer pressure is an age old problem
[11:03:28] <crutchy> not limited to alcohol abuse
[11:03:45] <Konomi> people complain about the shut in society because of technology etc but it seems to me that people already have reasons to shut themselves in
[11:05:08] <crutchy> people can choose to if they want, but if you're strong willed enough to resist peer pressure it doesn't matter either way. i went to plenty of drinkathons where i drunk soft drink, and there were always a few snide comments from some, but my closest mates supported me
[11:05:39] <crutchy> if people try to be cool, they will always be taken advantage of
[11:05:42] <Konomi> yeah but I already did do that the result is still being around a bunch of annoying drunks ;p
[11:06:05] <crutchy> i guess if you don't like annoying drunks there's not much point hanging around them
[11:06:17] <crutchy> if they're your friends though it may not be the best thing
[11:06:32] <crutchy> sometimes friends do shit we don't agree with
[11:06:36] <Konomi> just need better friends
[11:06:46] <crutchy> possibly
[11:07:01] <crutchy> we choose our friends for all sorts of reasons
[11:07:15] <Konomi> one particular annoying person used to always want me to be more "outgoing"
[11:08:03] <crutchy> i just ignore that sort of stuff. people soon get bored trying to pressure you
[11:08:20] <Konomi> told her to leave me alone ;p
[11:08:21] <crutchy> if they don't like you for not being outgoing they're more likely to leave you
[11:08:33] <crutchy> otherwise they will learn to accept you for who you are
[11:08:40] <crutchy> and that's a much better friendship
[11:10:23] <crutchy> disclaimer: i don't care for friends. i'm a family guy. but i can be friendly and talk to people when i have to
[11:11:04] <crutchy> i'm paid to be nice to people
[11:11:07] <crutchy> :p
[11:13:37] <Konomi> anyone who works in the service industry is paid to be nice to people to
[11:14:48] <crutchy> true. some are better at it than others
[11:14:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> except bouncers
[11:15:03] <crutchy> heh
[11:15:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin all
[11:15:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:15:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 887
[11:15:39] <Konomi> bars so many sweaty people ick
[11:15:40] <crutchy> most bouncers i've encountered are pretty friendly, unless you do something stupid
[11:16:25] * crutchy doesn't mind bars as long as the music is at a level where you can still talk to people without screaming
[11:16:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, working as expected, not as we'd like on the polls
[11:17:08] <crutchy> yeah i wasn't sure if it was a bug. flagged it as an issue though. a minor unimportant one i guess
[11:18:26] <crutchy> need to enable setting a title for themightybot's issue submission cos the irc issues are vague unlless you open them
[11:18:49] <crutchy> just makes it a bit harder to figure out if an issue has already been raised
[11:26:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Profile of the Late Ralph Baer - http://sylnt.us - Odyssey-Too
[11:28:09] <keplr> coffee++
[11:28:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 888
[11:28:19] <keplr> Have to do that at least once
[11:28:52] <keplr> Whenever I am drinking coffee, which is always
[11:29:46] <crutchy> i run out of coffee today :(
[11:29:58] <crutchy> i'm prolly gunna be a ratty old fart now
[11:30:03] <crutchy> till i get more
[11:30:43] <keplr> Can't you buy more at any corner store? We're not under prohibition
[11:30:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, stuff all replied to. that went better than expected really
[11:31:05] <crutchy> money's a little tight this week
[11:31:17] <crutchy> that time of year :/
[11:32:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads man, coffee before food
[11:32:25] <keplr> Coffee is food
[11:32:26] <crutchy> the things we do for our kids :p
[11:32:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh but you have the family what'd complain incessantly
[11:32:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> sell one, they're easy to make another.
[11:32:50] <keplr> A pound of coffee a week isn't much money when you buy whole beans
[11:33:33] <crutchy> coffee's not that expensive. the missus might get me some tomorrow
[11:33:57] <keplr> I need coffe every 8 hours to continue living
[11:34:28] <crutchy> she's not as averse to spending money as me
[11:34:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mostly just need my three 20oz cups in the morning.
[11:34:53] <chromas> that doesn't sound american, tmb
[11:35:00] <chromas> three 64oz cups
[11:35:08] <crutchy> i usually have a cup at home before work, but for most of the day my coffee is paid for :D
[11:35:17] <chromas> with a narrow bottom to fit into cup holders
[11:35:29] <chromas> crutchy: sneak some home from work
[11:35:43] <crutchy> heh. i don't bite the hand that feeds me
[11:36:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> What do we want? Coffee! When do we want it? I'll fucking cut you!
[11:36:11] <chromas> nibble
[11:36:18] <crutchy> lol
[11:36:35] <crutchy> tmb, that would make an awesome tee shirt :D
[11:36:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ya, I think it is one or a mug or something.
[11:37:08] <crutchy> dammit i was about to grab that
[11:37:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> What do we want? Coffee! When do we want it? I'll fucking cut you!
[11:37:18] <chromas> need an nsfw line of soylent swag
[11:37:20] <crutchy> !grab TheMightyBuzzard
[11:37:20] <Bender> Added quote 291
[11:37:36] <crutchy> very grabbable
[11:37:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> !grab crutchy
[11:37:46] <Bender> Added quote 292
[11:37:59] <crutchy> !grope ciri
[11:39:00] <crutchy> a bot is incomplete without a nice pair of bewb functions
[11:39:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> bewbs++
[11:39:28] <Bender> karma - bewbs: 35
[11:39:36] <crutchy> bewbs++
[11:39:37] <Bender> karma - bewbs: 36
[11:39:56] <crutchy> lots of feedback to the mod article
[11:40:11] <crutchy> looks like you'll never run out of things to do :D
[11:40:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> yer not shitting. and i answered a lot of em.
[11:40:25] <crutchy> saw that too
[11:41:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> kay, bout 20 minutes left until coffee n amphetamines kick in and i can code stuffs. time for some morning news reading.
[11:46:35] <crutchy> might have an early one tonight. just gotta make kiddywinks lunches for tomorrow
[11:47:01] <crutchy> ~weather
[11:47:19] <crutchy> 404 bot not found
[11:48:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> yays! new catalyst driver out with VAAPI support!
[11:52:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> and bleh cause the guy with the catalyst repo hasn't updated his gpg key yet.
[11:56:27] <chromas> better decrement his karma
[12:00:59] <crutchy> http://ei.marketwatch.com
[12:01:12] <crutchy> pepper_steak++
[12:01:12] <Bender> karma - pepper_steak: 1
[12:03:02] <crutchy> oh. googling 'pepper steak' was a bad idea
[12:03:03] <crutchy> http://www.edgehillbutchery.com.au
[12:08:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:08:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 889
[12:09:45] <crutchy> wholly fkin shitbags. that's not a bbq... *this* is a bbq: http://1.bp.blogspot.com
[12:13:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, did you just paul hogan that bitch?
[12:13:52] <crutchy> 'cept it was kinda reversed
[12:14:09] <crutchy> i never seen a pit that big in aussieland
[12:14:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> should prolly make one then
[12:14:48] <crutchy> unless theres funky camera tricks going on to make it look bigger than it is
[12:14:52] <crutchy> but it looks pretty sweet
[12:15:09] <crutchy> could fit a lot of snaggages on that grill
[12:15:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> well it is a pretty low angle. looks like about 5-6 feet diameter
[12:15:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> not something you'd want to lean over to turn stuff in the middle really
[12:16:07] <crutchy> u never heard of long tongs?
[12:17:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i swear though, next thing you know you're going to say something like "oooh, the rare, elusive bandersnatch. it's extremely deadly and loves humans as a food source. watch me stick my finger up its bum."
[12:17:25] <crutchy> actually i seen some funky custom bbq tools
[12:43:14] <Konomi> that looks like a good heart attack
[12:47:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, yes it very much does
[13:28:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Civil Rights Groups Divided on Net Neutrality - http://sylnt.us - good-for-you-good-for-me
[13:30:16] <Konomi> https://twitter.com
[13:30:17] <NetCraft> ^ 03srh on Twitter: "well, #gamergate's operation to proselytize to indie devs sure is going well for them. http://t.co"
[13:30:18] <Konomi> heh
[13:31:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, well known and massive corruption inside the IGF. that reply is no surprise.
[13:33:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> do note the civil attitude of the GG post and the insane rantage of the douche he was talking to as well.
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[14:01:48] <Blackmoore> mornin
[14:01:51] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[14:01:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 890
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[14:04:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Blackmoore, mechanicjay
[14:04:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[14:04:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 891
[14:14:21] <mechanicjay> Good Morning TheMightyBuzzard
[14:18:41] <Blackmoore> ok that should keep us in articles for a bit.
[14:19:03] <Blackmoore> TMB - i couldnt check your liks while i'm at work, I'm assuming they are good
[14:19:08] <Blackmoore> links
[14:19:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have links?
[14:19:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, in the article
[14:19:34] <Blackmoore> yeah
[14:20:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah. they're going to one site and redirected to the proper link but they all worked yesterday when i submitted them.
[14:28:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SoylentNews Needs You - Yes You - Perl Guy / Gal In The Corner, Listen Up! - http://sylnt.us - call-to-erms
[14:48:35] <Blackmoore> damn it. now i have REM stuck in my head.
[14:49:02] <Blackmoore> that's me in the corner. that's me in the spot-light losing my religion..
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[14:58:33] <Blackmoore> http://vimeo.com
[14:58:33] <NetCraft> ^ 03Major Scaled #2 : REM - "Recovering My Religion" on Vimeo
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[15:39:57] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v janrinok] by juggler
[15:40:35] <janrinok> hi guys
[15:40:35] <ciri> hey whats up janrinok
[15:41:18] <Blackmoore> morini janrinok
[15:41:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, janrinok
[15:41:59] <janrinok> Blackmoore: afternoon - I came to add a few stories and find that you've beaten me to it
[15:42:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> or afternoon i spose
[15:43:03] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: good [$appropriate_time_of_day]
[15:44:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> keep talking like that and you'll end up shanghaied onto the dev team
[15:44:26] <janrinok> lol - you've not seen my perl code....
[15:44:39] <Blackmoore> hey I'm just lending a hand
[15:44:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> no but i've seen slash's and it's damned sure worse in places
[15:45:01] <janrinok> I used perl about 10 years ago but I admin to changing to the dark side (python)
[15:45:03] <Blackmoore> but now we need to refill the submissions queue
[15:45:27] <janrinok> Blackmoore: yep - I've just started watching rss-bot....
[15:45:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads, how could you? regex use alone is astoundingly worse in python
[15:46:05] <janrinok> horses for courses, I suppose. I actually prefer python now
[15:46:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> sigh.
[15:46:49] <janrinok> Oh, don't despair, I could have stayed with Ada or CORAL66....
[15:47:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> fine fine. you can monkey with bender when he needs it then
[15:48:13] <janrinok> that sounds like something illegal when you write it like that....
[15:48:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a gift
[15:48:43] <janrinok> lol
[15:48:44] <ciri> hehehe
[15:49:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> was trying to get mod-and-post working but slash is being an unholy mess at me again
[15:50:24] <janrinok> you got some good feedback from yesterday's piece, but you'll never make everyone happy.
[15:50:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i was surprised there was only really one troll
[15:51:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> out of 111 comments
[15:53:05] <janrinok> not bad at all
[16:00:07] <Blackmoore> !uid
[16:00:07] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4923, owned by neleai
[16:30:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Proposal to Politically re-Empower U.S. Citizenry - http://sylnt.us - we-are-the-99-percent
[16:44:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> fu, bender, i am the 1%
[17:30:01] <ar> http://thedoomthatcametopuppet.tumblr.com
[17:30:02] <NetCraft> ^ 03The Doom that Came to Puppet
[17:30:19] <ar> Markov chains from puppet documentation and works of H.P. Lovecraft
[17:31:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Quantum Computing Breakthrough and the End of Current Cryptography? - http://sylnt.us - N-hard
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[17:36:09] <Ethanol-fueled> Fellas, that AC troll impersonating me is NOT me.
[17:36:30] <Ethanol-fueled> honestly, I'm kinda pissed about it as well, even though I shouldn't be (being a troll and all)
[17:37:05] <Ethanol-fueled> Every once in awhile, okay, haha-FUN-NY. But not 2-3 times every goddamn discussion.
[17:37:53] <Ethanol-fueled> I bet Timothy's behind it all. He probably sees my old troll posts in his sleep.
[17:38:15] <Ethanol-fueled> Anyway, happy huntings!
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[17:40:53] <Blackmoore> yeah, i figured it was you Ethanol. it was signed.
[17:40:57] <Blackmoore> wasNT
[17:41:00] <Blackmoore> cripes
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[18:55:16] <fliptop> it's quiet in here right now
[18:56:54] <ar> http://www.tedunangst.com
[18:56:55] <NetCraft> ^ 03random in the wild
[18:59:32] <fliptop> ok, i read the call-to-erms, i can donate some coding time, how can i help? should i start w/ a fresh git pull and just dive in??
[19:02:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - World-First 'Bionic Bra' Inches Closer to Reality - http://sylnt.us - OSI-is-still-persued-by-creditors
[19:05:50] <Blackmoore> hi!
[19:06:08] <Blackmoore> fliptop: you'll want to coordinate with TheMightyBuzzard
[19:06:12] <paulej72> fliptop: sure you can also read http://wiki.soylentnews.org It has info on the VM that we use for some of our development
[19:06:14] <NetCraft> ^ 03Wiki: Development
[19:06:52] <fliptop> right-o guys. i'm in the eastern time zone and the time i have would be in the evenings, after chores and such.
[19:07:58] <paulej72> we all work on our own schdules and it is really fexible. I have not had much time to dedicate to coding recently, but I should be able to get some in soon.
[19:09:29] <paulej72> The biggest thing about slash is getting used to running a website based on custom built perl modules and the perl template engine. They work together but have slightly different coding styles for the same thing. It is not hard just different, if you are not used to it.
[19:11:03] <fliptop> paulej72: i've been using html::template for years and coding in perl since the late 90's. if i'm not mistaken, i seem to remember slash uses template::toolkit, correct?
[19:11:07] <paulej72> fliptop: have a look at the issues list on the the github repo as well. If an issue tickels your fancy, feel free to look into it. you may want to discuss it with TheMightyBuzzard or myself and see if we have insights as some of them are decivingly hard.
[19:12:44] <janrinok> Blackmoore: With me submitting and you editing we have covered a good 8 - 12 hours of news!
[19:12:56] <paulej72> yes template toolkit for the front end templates, perl code for the main page logic, which calls corrisponding fuctions in slash perl modules. code for a given piece of logic could be in any of the three depending on what id does.
[19:13:38] <fliptop> paulej72: #issues - wow, quite a list. i'll peruse it tonight.
[19:14:24] <paulej72> We try to put functions that get called many times in the background logic in perl moddules. sometimes the are in the front end perl code. It is a bit hit and miss on what is going on. Grep will be your friend in finding bits of code.
[19:15:50] <paulej72> we do have a #dev channel, but we typically don’t use it much as what little we need to talk about we usually do here since we do get good input from some of our non staff programmers that hang out here.
[19:16:04] <fliptop> paulej72: understood. so there's not quite a clean delineation of code and html then?
[19:17:45] <paulej72> unfortunatley not, but once you look at it you usually understan why it was done a particular way, Sometimes it is just easier to use an axisting function and tweek it a bit in the template rather than code up a special case.
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[19:29:01] <janrinok> hi Brylarke
[19:29:02] <ciri> yeah, yeah hi HI janrinok
[19:32:55] <Blackmoore> high five janrinok
[19:33:15] <janrinok> I'm chasing you from channel to channel....
[19:34:20] <janrinok> Blackmoore: I'm not sure why the submissions (from the community) have dropped off over the last few days. I hope it is not a sign of things to come.
[19:34:35] <Blackmoore> i'm in the ones that count
[19:35:11] <Blackmoore> yeah - I'm kinda bothered that a few people have gone completely dark too.
[19:35:36] <janrinok> I'm going to have to go and do something else, but I'll be back on tomorrow. Have a good one and thanks for the hard work!
[19:35:51] <fliptop> currently, how many registered users are there? i asked in my journal but didn't see a response.
[19:36:02] <janrinok> !uid
[19:36:03] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4924, owned by Aurean
[19:36:16] <janrinok> fliptop: ^
[19:36:31] <fliptop> thanks.
[19:36:34] <janrinok> np
[19:37:12] <fliptop> so not even 5000 yet.
[19:37:25] <janrinok> I propose an IRC party when we get to 500. I'll bring some beers!
[19:37:38] <janrinok> sry 5000
[19:37:39] <Blackmoore> no, not yet :( it's been kinda slow the last month
[19:38:36] <fliptop> all the items in the issues list, are they self-serving or is the big-picture goal to attract more registered users? i've only skimmed through the list
[19:38:51] <janrinok> bye guys - got to go
[19:43:07] <Blackmoore> cya
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[19:47:22] <Blackmoore> good question. I dont even know what on the list. paulej72 ?
[19:51:10] <crutchy> i think most are fairly superficial
[19:52:23] <crutchy> https://github.com
[19:52:23] <NetCraft> ^ 03Issues · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
[19:56:18] <chromas> "Search is terrible and useless" Heh; must be new to slash-based sites
[20:03:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn now that was a quality nap
[20:04:07] <crutchy> what ever happened to botfap and his three minions?
[20:04:17] <ar> http://en.wikipedia.org
[20:04:19] <NetCraft> ^ 03Wiki: Krio language
[20:04:21] <ar> huh
[20:04:32] <ar> http://arachnist.is-a.cat
[20:04:33] <crutchy> that was an awesome nick
[20:05:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> he downloaded an older version of the vm and started mumbling stuff about r'lyeh
[20:05:21] <crutchy> botfap++ # bots have urges too
[20:05:21] <Bender> karma - botfap: 2
[20:07:39] <crutchy> had a squiz at juggs' call to arms. not overly good response
[20:07:51] <crutchy> snickering and trolls mostly :/
[20:07:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> fliptop, the items on the issues list is just that. we think of something, we put it on there so we'll remember we wanted to do it.
[20:08:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> ditto users thinking of something they want fixed
[20:08:49] <crutchy> like a sticky note board
[20:09:02] <crutchy> i need one of those for my work project
[20:10:44] <crutchy> biggest problem for attracting devs here i think is the language. not a lack of desire to step forward. not that many people learning perl as some of the other languages
[20:10:54] <crutchy> like awesomesauce PHP! :D
[20:11:08] <fliptop> TheMightyBuzzard: understood, thanks.
[20:11:42] <Blackmoore> I dont see anything on the list dealing with smap/multiple posts. did it get dropped or rejected as too much for the site to deal with
[20:11:48] <crutchy> php++
[20:11:49] <Bender> karma - php: 6
[20:12:06] <crutchy> ~define smap
[20:13:00] <crutchy> ah spam lol
[20:13:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> Blackmoore, up until recently it hasn't been enough of an issue to be an Issue
[20:13:47] <crutchy> there's an M2 issue
[20:14:23] <crutchy> not spam related directly but sorta in the same vein
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[20:14:54] <crutchy> $beer Subsentient
[20:14:54] * aqu4 gives Subsentient a cold can of beer
[20:15:10] <crutchy> you have to open it yourself
[20:15:12] <crutchy> :p
[20:15:27] <Subsentient2> Ehh, I really need to finish NEXUS.
[20:15:32] <Subsentient2> Now there is three of me.
[20:15:54] <crutchy> ermagerd!
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[20:28:25] <swiss> lxde netbook desktop for my laptop now
[20:28:44] <swiss> if they'd combine this with gnome's UI, i'd be a happy man
[20:29:08] <chromas> ew
[20:29:23] <chromas> they're doing something different apparently
[20:29:27] <swiss> what
[20:29:31] <chromas> http://lxqt.org
[20:29:32] <NetCraft> ^ 03LXQt - The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment
[20:30:07] <chromas> ew about combining with gunome ui
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[20:31:37] * chromas pokes tmb with that link
[20:32:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, are you threatening me?
[20:33:10] <Subsentient2> Yes.
[20:33:13] <chromas> I bring you tp
[20:33:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Firefly Space Systems Plans to Lower Costs to Space with Methane-Fuelled Rockets - http://sylnt.us - you-can't-take-the-sky-from-me
[20:33:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> as is my due
[20:33:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, seen that afore but qt and lightweight do so not go together.
[20:34:04] <Blackmoore> has anyone seen Please redirect www.soylent to soylent (Score:1) in the http://soylentnews.org article?
[20:34:05] <Subsentient2> just feed Ethanol-fueled some chalupas and you got your methane powered rockets.
[20:34:06] <NetCraft> ^ 03SN article: A Proposal to Politically re-Empower U.S. Citizenry 04(90 comments)
[20:34:06] <chromas> If I bring enough, then you'll be okay with lxde going to qt
[20:34:45] <chromas> www.? Is that still around?
[20:34:58] <Subsentient2> Unfortunately
[20:35:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> Blackmoore, known issue. i really think we should just undef www in the dns records
[20:36:34] <Blackmoore> I'll accept your word; i have no idea how DNS works.
[20:36:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> let everyone figure out for themselves that www is not only not necessary but not us.
[20:47:11] <ar> http://lists.x.org
[20:47:12] <NetCraft> ^ 03[ANNOUNCE] X.Org Security Advisory: Protocol handling issues in X servers
[20:48:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> whew, no worries for the servers then
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[20:53:56] <crutchy> i been wailing to the masses of systemd haterz that X is the elephant in the room
[20:54:28] <chromas> ~cowsay-elephant
[20:54:31] <crutchy> x has had its fanged embedded in linux userland for years. maybe the x haters have fallen asleep
[20:55:38] <crutchy> we need to fork X
[20:55:50] <chromas> wayland++
[20:55:50] <Bender> karma - wayland: 4
[20:56:00] <JamesNZ> Call it Xuan.
[20:56:05] <crutchy> maybe they were working on a fork of X called Z
[20:56:18] <crutchy> now they're all z'ing
[20:58:28] * crutchy needs a spaceship that can approach the speed of light
[20:58:43] <chromas> only approach?
[20:59:21] <crutchy> cos i'm sitting here enjoying my first coffee of the day (cos wifey found a new jar in the cupboard that apparently eluded me) but the clock is going too fast :/
[20:59:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> punch the clock
[20:59:44] <JamesNZ> Just take the battery out :)
[21:00:07] <crutchy> clocks--
[21:00:07] <Bender> karma - clocks: 1
[21:00:24] <chromas> Would it help to wind back the cock?
[21:00:47] <crutchy> already did that back in october :/
[21:00:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> only if it's an alzheimers cock
[21:01:25] <chromas> oh yeah, speaking of october
[21:01:35] <crutchy> my cock prolly has alzheimers
[21:01:41] <chromas> We're gonna hit 1 in a couple months
[21:01:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[21:01:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> not long now
[21:02:18] <chromas> "Just one years ago, we wound back the cock on beta"
[21:02:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd totally do that if it were me writing it.
[21:03:17] <crutchy> its now an SN meme :p
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[21:04:02] <chromas> Just think, one years ago from right now, slashdot was doing absolutely nothing to change the beta from when it was first debuted
[21:04:52] <crutchy> this time last year i didn't even know what an irc bot was
[21:05:15] <chromas> :O
[21:05:26] <chromas> 8O
[21:05:32] <chromas> (bigger eyes)
[21:05:52] <crutchy> 8-0)-8--<
[21:06:01] <crutchy> really bad chick with bewbs
[21:06:19] <chromas> At least you didn't use ← for the legs
[21:06:26] <crutchy> maybe an ascii blow up doll
[21:06:49] <chromas> she has really big chins
[21:07:00] <crutchy> yeah i noticed that
[21:07:10] <chromas> "I'd say it behind your back but my car's only got half a tank of gas!"
[21:07:20] <crutchy> lol
[21:07:21] <ciri> HAHAHAHA
[21:08:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> thank you al bundy
[21:09:35] <crutchy> feck i gotta go to workipoos
[21:09:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> allow me to retort with "hooters, hooters, yum yum yum, hooters, hooters, on a girl that's dumb"
[21:09:51] <crutchy> later dudes
[21:09:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> adios
[21:09:56] <chromas> see ya
[21:10:26] * chromas checks TheMightyBuzzard's beard for a copy of Big 'Uns
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[21:11:19] <SirFinkus> circular_progress_bars--
[21:11:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> circular_firing_squads--
[21:11:54] <Bender> karma - circular_firing_squads: -1
[21:12:07] <chromas> ovals--
[21:12:07] <Bender> karma - ovals: -2
[21:33:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> !uid
[21:33:00] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4924, owned by Aurean
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[22:04:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 40.4% Solar Conversion Efficiency - http://sylnt.us - here-comes-the-sun
[22:13:29] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[22:13:29] <Bender> karma - tea: 300
[22:13:29] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[22:13:30] <Bender> karma - tea: 301
[22:24:15] <Blackmoore> wait .. what?
[22:24:27] <Blackmoore> tea++
[22:24:27] <Bender> karma - tea: 302
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[22:24:37] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[22:24:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 892
[22:24:47] <Blackmoore> ooookk.
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[22:33:02] <SirFinkus> heh, I love @congressedits
[22:33:03] <SirFinkus> http://en.wikipedia.org
[22:33:05] <NetCraft> ^ 03Wiki: Senate Intelligence Committee report on CIA torture: Difference between revisions
[22:33:08] <SirFinkus> usually pretty interesting
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[22:40:03] <JamesNZ> Hmm, would a story about the new Fedora release be appropriate?
[22:40:20] <chromas> Does it mention systemd?
[22:40:24] <chromas> :D :D
[22:40:45] <JamesNZ> Well I think it has the new Gnome version, so.... maybe :P
[22:40:52] <chromas> ewww
[22:40:52] * JamesNZ checks release notes
[22:40:56] <chromas> gnome--
[22:40:56] <Bender> karma - gnome: -4
[22:41:01] <chromas> gunome--
[22:41:01] <Bender> karma - gunome: -3
[22:41:05] <JamesNZ> gnome--
[22:41:05] <Bender> karma - gnome: -5
[22:41:20] <JamesNZ> Blimey, we got a website as well O_O https://getfedora.org
[22:41:20] <NetCraft> ^ 03Fedora ( index.html.en )
[22:41:39] <JamesNZ> a new*
[22:43:38] <chromas> http://www.boycottlinux.org
[22:43:38] <NetCraft> ^ 03boycott Linux
[22:44:00] <chromas> I thought there used to be a fedora-specific one but not now
[22:44:22] <JamesNZ> There was, you have to get to it from the internet archive now.
[22:44:35] <chromas> that didn't last long
[22:44:58] <chromas> Did they get a refund from the domain seller? :)
[22:47:38] <JamesNZ> No idea :)
[22:48:49] <JamesNZ> chromas: Hah, there's a new systemd log viewer :P https://docs.fedoraproject.org
[22:48:50] <NetCraft> ^ 034. Changes in Fedora for Desktop Users
[22:49:21] <JamesNZ> And, ahem, a section on systemd for sysadmins. https://docs.fedoraproject.org
[22:49:22] <NetCraft> ^ 033. Changes in Fedora for System Administrators
[22:49:34] <JamesNZ> That counts as newsworthy, right? :P
[22:50:15] <chromas> it's been so long since we had a systemd story, we haven't even mentioned it much in here anymore even
[22:50:43] <JamesNZ> Time to stir the waters.
[22:53:03] <chromas> haha
[22:53:15] <chromas> systemd-unit: rc.d script that launches service defined in systemd service unit file
[22:54:35] <chromas> hehe, JamesNZ, you could submit that, and at the end, put in one of those "in case you're wondering why this is posted here"
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[22:55:12] <JamesNZ> :P
[22:57:15] <chromas> I see many no-systemd things in the aur; I wonder if the debianfork people have any relation
[22:57:51] <chromas> or maybe they just don't know
[23:03:53] <JamesNZ> fedora++
[23:03:53] <Bender> karma - fedora: 44
[23:03:56] <JamesNZ> fedora++
[23:03:56] <Bender> karma - fedora: 45
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