#Soylent | Logs for 2014-12-02

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[00:02:41] <Blackmoore> Leebert: can we add to the attack anyone who made sure to place the "ok" button where "cancel" used to be on a smart phone?
[00:05:29] <mythterj> Smart phone with buttons?
[00:07:06] <chromas> Blackmoore: gtk does that too :)
[00:07:42] <Blackmoore> icon/button. i have android
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[01:03:51] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm confused
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[01:21:38] <chromas> Is that unusual?
[01:23:34] <SpallsHurgenson> well... no. I guess not. I'm not sure.
[01:23:56] <chromas> How many zingers am I holding up?
[01:24:43] * SpallsHurgenson looks carefully
[01:24:56] <SpallsHurgenson> "Blue! Blue zingers! That many are you holding up!"
[01:26:48] <SpallsHurgenson> (thought you'd catch me on your trick question, eh? I sure showed you!)
[01:28:17] <JamesNZ> ~define zinger
[01:28:18] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3zinger: 1. A witty comment. 2. To make love to an electrical outlet.
[01:28:29] <JamesNZ> O_o
[01:29:02] <SpallsHurgenson> does it specify a LIVE electrical outlet?
[01:35:37] <SpallsHurgenson> and is making love to a DEAD electric outlet considered a form of necrophilia?
[01:35:55] <SpallsHurgenson> and should I stop this line of conversation before I get kicked for being NSFW? :)
[01:36:47] <chromas> you should be fine as long as you don't show us your prong
[01:38:47] <chromas> http://upload.wikimedia.org
[01:38:56] <chromas> it's hot because it's foreign
[01:39:24] <SpallsHurgenson> kinky! perverted! unnatural!
[01:41:56] <chromas> Just think, that's what crutchy has to look at all day
[01:43:44] <SpallsHurgenson> I have made it my new life goal to invent the single-prong electrical plug!
[01:45:16] <SpallsHurgenson> and not one of these fancy things where different parts of the prong serve different functions (like ground on the tip, hot higher up); mine will be all hot all along the shaft!
[01:48:47] <chromas> Sure, as long as it's AC you don't even need a complete circuit because the electrons only have to squish part way in until they compress, then they shuffle back out, complain that the ticket price was too high but then go back in
[01:48:57] <chromas> wait, what were we talking about?
[01:49:11] <SpallsHurgenson> I dunno, but I'll be in my bunk
[01:51:02] <chromas> Oh, maybe it can be AC, but perpendicularly polarized…
[01:51:37] <SpallsHurgenson> oooh, yeah, talk EE to me!
[01:52:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Football Concussion Lawsuits Start to Hit High Schools - http://sylnt.us - back-field-in-motion
[01:53:00] <chromas> The electromonons would like, go sideways? instead of in-and-out, you know? Like, that way you only need like one conductor?
[01:53:14] <SpallsHurgenson> in twenty years, kids are gonna have to go through life wearing bubblewrap 24/7 until they reach 18, the poor bastards
[01:54:59] <SpallsHurgenson> meanwhile, when I grew up they let me climb to the top a 15' tall steel jungle-gym built on solid concrete :)
[01:57:50] <chromas> And did you get to ride a draisine and play with dinosaurs too?
[01:57:50] * chromas pats SpallsHurgenson lightly on the head
[01:58:24] <SpallsHurgenson> in the snow, both ways uphill!
[01:58:56] <SpallsHurgenson> and it wasn't dinosaurs, don't be silly.
[01:59:04] <SpallsHurgenson> it was killer wolves
[02:04:22] <chromas> ++cookies
[02:04:22] <NetCraft> Karma - cookies: 1
[02:04:33] <chromas> cookies++
[02:04:33] <Bender> karma - cookies: 3
[02:05:28] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm... something weird here
[02:05:41] <SpallsHurgenson> --coffee
[02:05:41] <NetCraft> Karma - tea: 10
[02:05:44] <SpallsHurgenson> --coffee
[02:05:44] <NetCraft> Karma - tea: 11
[02:05:53] * SpallsHurgenson suspects sabotage and trickery
[02:06:24] <chromas> =why up tea
[02:06:24] <NetCraft> tea: for tama, to spite chromas, to spite SpallsHurgenson
[02:06:28] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[02:06:28] <Bender> karma - coffee: 9903
[02:06:29] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[02:06:29] <Bender> karma - coffee: 9902
[02:06:52] <JamesNZ> Wait, what about me? :(
[02:07:10] <SpallsHurgenson> you're already considered spiteful :)
[02:07:16] <juggs> !whyup tea
[02:07:16] <Bender> reasons for karma up are: you gotta know how to make it properly, just brew it, sometimes you've just had enough coffee for the morning, the beverage of connoisseurs, because if coffee is beer, there has to be wine, bot neutralization, better than that black sludge of your, for positivity, because it's good for you, because my mug is empty, need refill
[02:07:18] <SpallsHurgenson> the rest of us are just catching up :)
[02:07:23] <JamesNZ> Oh, phew B-)
[02:07:48] <juggs> the karma bots have been breeding
[02:08:45] <chromas> karma++
[02:08:45] <Bender> karma - karma: 14
[02:18:11] * SpallsHurgenson looks for something interesting on the Internet...
[02:18:12] <SpallsHurgenson> ...
[02:18:16] <SpallsHurgenson> ... nope, nothing
[02:19:21] * Leebert was wondering what was taking so long for our european friends to complain on the "Football Concussion..." story about the word "Football"... until he remembered what time it is in Europe.
[02:21:52] <SpallsHurgenson> oh right, they have that whole soccer thing going on over there. Silly everyone-else-in-the-world people, when will they learn to play a REAL sport? :)
[02:22:38] <Leebert> Huh? I thought Europeans DID play hockey? ;)
[02:22:54] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, but FIELD hockey
[02:27:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> JamesNZ-- #coffee hater
[02:27:18] <Bender> karma - jamesnz: -20
[02:27:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> JamesNZ-- #coffee hater
[02:27:19] <Bender> karma - jamesnz: -21
[02:27:39] <SpallsHurgenson> JamesNZ++ #same reason
[02:27:39] <Bender> karma - jamesnz: -20
[02:27:40] <SpallsHurgenson> JamesNZ++ #same reason
[02:27:40] <Bender> karma - jamesnz: -19
[02:27:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson-- #Wiseass
[02:27:53] <Bender> karma - spallshurgenson: 8
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[02:28:08] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[02:28:08] <Bender> karma - coffee: 9901
[02:28:09] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[02:28:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 9900
[02:28:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> JamesNZ-- #coffee hater
[02:28:13] <Bender> karma - jamesnz: -20
[02:28:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> JamesNZ-- #coffee hater
[02:28:14] <Bender> karma - jamesnz: -21
[02:28:26] <SpallsHurgenson> JamesNZ++ #deserves some love
[02:28:26] <Bender> karma - jamesnz: -20
[02:28:26] <silverly> coffee++
[02:28:26] <Bender> karma - coffee: 9901
[02:28:27] <SpallsHurgenson> JamesNZ++ #deserves some love
[02:28:27] <Bender> karma - jamesnz: -19
[02:28:36] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[02:28:36] <Bender> karma - coffee: 9900
[02:28:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> JamesNZ-- #coffee hater
[02:28:38] <Bender> karma - jamesnz: -20
[02:28:47] <JamesNZ> smoking--
[02:28:47] <Bender> karma - smoking: -3
[02:28:56] <silverly> vaping++
[02:28:56] <Bender> karma - vaping: 1
[02:28:57] <SpallsHurgenson> JamesNZ++ #manual appreciation
[02:28:57] <Bender> karma - jamesnz: -19
[02:29:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoking++ #puts a protective coating of tar on your lungs
[02:29:07] <Bender> karma - smoking: -2
[02:29:18] <JamesNZ> smoking--
[02:29:18] <Bender> karma - smoking: -3
[02:29:29] <JamesNZ> TheMightyBuzzard: Doctors would disagree :P
[02:29:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoking++ #it annoys JamesNZ
[02:29:31] <Bender> karma - smoking: -2
[02:29:40] <JamesNZ> smoking-- # Very much so
[02:29:40] <Bender> karma - smoking: -3
[02:29:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> JamesNZ, doctors can suck it
[02:29:46] <SpallsHurgenson> smoking++ #good for hams!
[02:29:46] <Bender> karma - smoking: -2
[02:30:07] <silverly> smoking++ #Good for fish
[02:30:07] <Bender> karma - smoking: -1
[02:30:16] <JamesNZ> TheMightyBuzzard: It's you who'll be paying for the medical treatment.
[02:30:42] <JamesNZ> (not yours, the people who've gotten sick as a result of smoking)
[02:30:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> JamesNZ, my shit's paid for. i don't gotta live with you suckers and your obamacare.
[02:31:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> or sheepcare or whatever they got in nz
[02:31:25] <JamesNZ> lamb++
[02:31:25] <Bender> karma - lamb: 2
[02:31:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> obaaaaamacare?
[02:31:39] <JamesNZ> TheMightyBuzzard: It is paid for, but by you.
[02:31:43] <JamesNZ> XD
[02:32:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> JamesNZ, by my tribe. we let foolish people gamble their money away and use it to pay for everyone in the tribe's healthcare.
[02:32:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> capitalism++
[02:32:37] <Bender> karma - capitalism: 0
[02:32:56] <JamesNZ> TheMightyBuzzard: That sounds remarkably stupid...
[02:33:00] <silverly> capitalism--
[02:33:00] <Bender> karma - capitalism: -1
[02:33:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> silverly-- #pinko commie sjw
[02:33:14] <Bender> karma - silverly: -1
[02:33:15] <juggs> .quiet Bender
[02:33:15] -!- mode/#Soylent [+q *!*@xs508-09.members.linode.com] by juggler
[02:33:23] <JamesNZ> Aww.
[02:33:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> evenin, juggs
[02:33:49] <juggs> evenin, TMB
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[02:39:27] * SpallsHurgenson starts singing quietly to himself
[02:41:10] <juggs> he's doing that funny chanting again!
[02:41:27] <juggs> .unquiet Bender
[02:41:27] -!- mode/#Soylent [-q *!*@xs508-09.members.linode.com] by juggler
[02:43:56] * SpallsHurgenson sings "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn, oh yeah baby, ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!"
[02:45:02] <JamesNZ> I'd guess lojban, but it looks too weird.
[02:45:31] <chromas> JamesNZ: keyword Cthulhu
[02:54:55] <SpallsHurgenson> excuse me if I stop singing momentarily as it seems as if I am currently being dragged down to the blackest depths of the sea
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[02:57:03] <chromas> I also know of en evil chant. system—ahhhhh, heyulp!
[02:58:12] <SpallsHurgenson> I think the complete chant is "Help, I Got a virus! I didn't touch anything! It just crashed! Oh, no I don't remember the error message! You better fix this now or you're fired!"
[02:59:26] <SpallsHurgenson> followed of course by, "Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!"
[03:04:42] <JamesNZ> Heh.
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[03:31:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Politics of Every Major U.S. Religion in One Chart - http://sylnt.us - applied-theosophy
[03:35:19] <SpallsHurgenson> first that awful Mars Attacked article, now this?
[03:36:26] * SpallsHurgenson mutters grimly (but doesn't bother to actually submit good articles, of course :)
[03:37:17] <juggs> I'm not even going to bother reading that - sounds like someone scrawled a pie-chart or venn diagram.
[03:39:17] <chromas> http://d35brb9zkkbdsd.cloudfront.net
[03:40:00] <chromas> Are you magical, juggs?
[03:40:22] <juggs> still not clicking :P
[03:41:11] <SpallsHurgenson> don't worry, it's nothing to do with that article; it's just goat.se. Click away
[03:41:34] <juggs> definitely not clicking! The horrors
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[04:10:05] * juggs jumps up and down to keep warm
[04:18:14] * SpallsHurgenson makes some sort of funny comment
[04:23:36] <SpallsHurgenson> cookies++
[04:23:36] <Bender> karma - cookies: 4
[04:37:05] <_NSAKEY> SpallsHurgenson: It's a gewg submission. What do you expect?
[04:38:34] <SpallsHurgenson> paper bag + cat treat + kitty = amusing thrashing
[04:43:16] <juggs> I want to see some submissions from the NSA :)
[04:47:38] <chromas> "Move Along, People—Nothing to See Here (from the go-home,-you-looky-loos dept)"
[04:54:13] <chromas> "The TV Tropes Revitalization Project" on kickstarter; 27 kilomoneys
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[04:56:30] <SpallsHurgenson> engage "They changed it, now it sucks" trope
[04:56:57] <chromas> They mention the "Gorwing the Beard" trope
[04:57:12] <chromas> s/(o)(r)/\2\1/
[04:57:12] <sedctl> <chromas> They mention the "Growing the Beard" trope
[04:57:32] <chromas> https://www.kickstarter.com
[04:57:33] <NetCraft> ^ 03The TV Tropes Revitalization Project by TV Tropes — Kickstarter
[04:57:49] <chromas> Abe needs a bigger bear
[05:00:16] * juggs employs chromas for regex / sed - fu
[05:00:38] <juggs> My eyes mess up when they see things like: {(http(?:s?))://(?:(.[^:]+:.[^@]+)?)(?:@?)(.*)}
[05:00:40] <chromas> I learned it all from you guys
[05:01:05] <juggs> I think I need new specs
[05:01:28] <chromas> http(?:s?)
[05:01:39] <SpallsHurgenson> "Who taught you to Sed?" "I learned it from you! I learned it by watching you!"
[05:01:45] <chromas> I'd think that would be the same as https? but I dunno
[05:01:56] <chromas> Bender: grab SpallsHurgenson
[05:01:56] <Bender> Added quote 283
[05:02:16] * chromas spins a regex wheelgun on the table
[05:02:38] <SpallsHurgenson> yay, immortalized! Now in the future our descendants will look back at my words and have a greater understanding of our culture!
[05:02:46] <chromas> Bender: grab SpallsHurgenson
[05:02:46] <Bender> Added quote 284
[05:02:50] <juggs> chromas, yah, you'd think. There's obviously a reason the author did it like that but no comments or means to ask why it was formed thus.
[05:03:02] <chromas> while(1) !grab SpallsHurgenson;
[05:03:34] <SpallsHurgenson> that could be useful on my next date
[05:04:06] <juggs> hmm - grabbing doesn't really go down well on dates I'm reliably informed
[05:04:29] <chromas> reliably
[05:04:35] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, I'm the one getting grabbed so I'm the one who gets to decide how well it goes down :)
[05:04:37] <chromas> Must've tested that a few times
[05:04:48] <chromas> Bender: grab SpallsHurgenson
[05:04:48] <Bender> Added quote 285
[05:06:11] * juggs looks for the exit
[05:06:13] <SpallsHurgenson> is there anything I can say that WON'T get me grabbed now? :)
[05:06:24] <juggs> Bender: grab SpallsHurgenson
[05:06:24] <Bender> Added quote 286
[05:06:26] <juggs> newp
[05:06:36] <juggs> .quiet Bender
[05:06:36] -!- mode/#Soylent [+q *!*@xs508-09.members.linode.com] by juggler
[05:06:41] <juggs> Bender: grab SpallsHurgenson
[05:06:54] <SpallsHurgenson> hey, buy me dinner first!
[05:06:57] <juggs> see - still Bender does silent grabs
[05:07:08] <juggs> .unquiet Bender
[05:07:08] -!- mode/#Soylent [-q *!*@xs508-09.members.linode.com] by juggler
[05:07:21] <SpallsHurgenson> actually, no, I didn't see :)
[05:08:20] * Konomi crawls into the room and dies
[05:08:38] <juggs> me either, in here at least. I get to pour over Benders entrails server side to figure it out :D
[05:08:39] * SpallsHurgenson checks Konomi's pockets for loose change
[05:08:50] <Konomi> all plastic you looter
[05:09:14] <juggs> Konomi, ye gads, you've not gone and been near those humans again have you? You probably have Ebola now
[05:09:24] <SpallsHurgenson> hush you, you're dead!
[05:09:44] <Konomi> well I was trying to die peacefully
[05:09:46] <juggs> /me breaks out the emergency hazmat suits
[05:09:52] <Konomi> get your hands outta my clothes
[05:10:02] <Konomi> also I just realised I have no pockets so
[05:10:06] <SpallsHurgenson> well, you're not doing a very good job at it. Try harder!
[05:10:28] <Konomi> hmm I guess my jeans have really small ones but I changed into my trackies
[05:10:45] <juggs> classy
[05:11:10] <Konomi> when I lived on my own I just wore a daggy jumper and nothing else ;p
[05:11:18] <Konomi> comfort ~
[05:11:50] * juggs tries to say nothing
[05:15:16] <SpallsHurgenson> I got nothin'
[05:16:15] <Konomi> me either
[05:16:21] <Konomi> too tired ~
[05:19:07] * Konomi goes to search for the latest systemd drama
[05:19:17] <juggs> The only things I thought to say, I'd have had to boot myself for
[05:19:47] <juggs> just don't be bringing that word back here - I nearly managed a whole day without seeing it
[05:20:33] <SpallsHurgenson> I've decided to support systemd
[05:21:14] <SpallsHurgenson> init is so old school, and its nice to see some development with real enthusiasm about a project :)
[05:23:03] <juggs> I rather like Upstart once I got the hang of it.
[05:23:58] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, and people who are against systemd are just old fogeys who can't handle change. almost forgot that bit.
[05:25:31] <juggs> Yep - apparently Linux cannot move forward with all these greyheads around. What we need is change, the old duffers are holding everything back.
[05:26:37] <Konomi> we shoudl turn theminto food and eat them
[05:27:17] <juggs> Talk to me again when you turn 40 Konomi
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[05:28:32] <Konomi> going to be wiating awhile
[05:30:13] <juggs> That's fine - I'll be over there in the lawn chair chuckling as you fend of the new hipsters declaring "but this is how it's always been done, don't you know how much experience I have?" :D
[05:30:34] * SpallsHurgenson waters jugg's lawn
[05:31:09] <juggs> ohh, well I guess that's one patch that will be verdant - thanks for that
[05:32:37] * SpallsHurgenson invites all the kids to marvel at the grass
[05:33:28] * juggs stays on the lawn chair - the grass smells funny for some reason
[05:34:31] * juggs summons robot drones to fly in cold beer
[05:43:06] <SpallsHurgenson> sadly, a misplaced } results in juggs receiving luke-warm Zima
[05:45:37] * JamesNZ runs around juggs' lawn
[05:47:05] <SpallsHurgenson> wow, JamesNZ sure is energetic today; he must have had a lot of coffee to drink
[05:47:20] * juggs introduces JamesNZ to the chlorine foot bath - Spalls has been on a "watering" spree - wouldn't want that foot and mouth or Mad Spalls disease escaping the reservation
[05:47:33] <juggs> tea++
[05:47:33] <Bender> karma - tea: 279
[05:48:13] <JamesNZ> What are the symptoms of Mad Spalls disease?
[05:48:38] <Konomi> sudden interest in opera
[05:48:50] <juggs> One only has to spend some time here to observe it in its rawest form
[05:49:20] <SpallsHurgenson> a distinct aversion to pants
[05:49:22] * JamesNZ lurks in wait
[05:49:48] <juggs> If only there where a way to !grab a couplet of grabs
[05:49:53] <JamesNZ> Yeah, I think I'm clean.
[05:49:53] <juggs> were*
[05:50:49] <SpallsHurgenson> anyway, time to play with kitty!
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[06:21:59] <crutchy> ++coffee
[06:21:59] <NetCraft> Karma - coffee: 123
[06:31:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Athletes Perform Better when Exposed to Subliminal Cues - http://sylnt.us - getting-over-our-distractions
[06:38:58] <juggs> o/ holo polo crutchy - how goes it? You just getting up or going to bed? I've lost all sense of time it seems,
[06:39:26] <crutchy> eating dinner. its 5.40pm here
[06:39:33] <crutchy> how you been?
[06:40:04] <crutchy> ~time
[06:40:05] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Tuesday, 2 December 2014, 6:40 am
[06:40:23] <crutchy> script faeries haven't been :(
[06:41:42] <crutchy> pretty early for you? or very very late :p
[06:44:14] <juggs> best not to ask really
[06:45:19] <crutchy> oh
[06:46:34] <crutchy> have most the staff been abducted by aliens? seems like you and tmb are the only regliars around here
[06:49:01] <crutchy> im thinking about a backup irc solution cos im a bit worried the bills might not be paid before long
[06:49:51] <crutchy> i guess theres always freenode
[06:57:44] <juggs> funding seems fine for hosting. There's a lot of front loaded costs in that target don't forget. I'd be happier if there were a board meeting scheduled, if not a staff meeting. As it stands, direction is lacking.
[06:59:13] <crutchy> directionctl command juggs --kick crutchy
[07:00:17] <crutchy> there's a #soylentnews channel at freenode at least. as a last ditch backup in the shit hits the fan
[07:00:27] <crutchy> no ops though :/
[07:05:27] <juggs> details like that are easily dealt with. And no - I'm not going on an NCommander vs Barrabas type of onslaught right now. I need to put my energies elsewhere.
[07:06:02] <crutchy> nod
[07:07:01] <juggs> The quietitude is disconcerting though
[07:11:37] * Konomi checks the hidden wiki
[07:11:42] <crutchy> i'll keep trollin. till i cant troll no more
[07:11:44] * Konomi noticed silk road 3 has happened
[07:11:54] <Konomi> lot of good that did huh fbi
[07:12:00] <crutchy> is that a movie?
[07:12:07] <crutchy> with baysplosions?
[07:12:34] <crutchy> might be a honeypot
[07:13:09] <Konomi> everything might be a honey pot ;p
[07:13:23] <crutchy> nod
[07:15:05] <crutchy> i was typing some online nicks in freenode search and i found your boxedfox channel :)
[07:15:46] <Konomi> ;p
[07:16:03] <Konomi> you'll be one of the few in it
[07:16:17] <crutchy> subsentient has a couple of channels too
[07:16:27] <crutchy> and chromas is stalking systemd :d
[07:16:47] <Konomi> yeah I was in it earlier but client reconnected and it was gone
[07:17:02] <Konomi> couldn't be bothered rejoining it
[07:17:17] <crutchy> haven't found arti yet :/
[07:17:29] <crutchy> comes up with anything to do with artists
[07:17:32] <juggs> yikes - NEWs - Konomi who hates men allows men in own channel - NEWs at 10... have martians landed?
[07:17:49] * crutchy hurriedly puts a skirt on
[07:18:21] * juggs hurriedly leaves
[07:20:37] <Konomi> crutchy has his little black skirt
[07:20:52] <crutchy> its a little gucci dress
[07:21:36] <crutchy> i've seen the spice world movie. /me shoots self
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[07:22:36] <Konomi> I haven't I guess you win the most girl points ~
[07:23:05] <crutchy> it stars a little gucci dress. and a pair of rolled up socks
[07:23:49] * crutchy wonders if he should set his stupid bot loose on freenode
[07:24:08] <crutchy> eeeh prolly not a good idea
[07:25:08] <crutchy> though i guess it survived poutine
[07:25:17] <Konomi> hehe
[07:28:33] <Konomi> Tonight: 22 Celcius
[07:28:40] <Konomi> fun no fucking sleep for me again
[07:29:29] <crutchy> ~weather-old
[07:29:32] <exec> weather for "traralgon, victoria, australia" not found. check spelling or try another nearby location.
[07:29:39] <crutchy> pffft
[07:35:22] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[07:35:22] <Bender> karma - coffee: 9899
[07:56:11] <swiss> wooo
[07:56:16] <swiss> bringing it down
[07:56:20] <swiss> coffee--
[07:56:20] <Bender> karma - coffee: 9898
[07:56:26] <crutchy> ++coffee
[07:56:26] <NetCraft> Karma - coffee: 124
[07:59:57] <chromas> swiss_cheese-- # for looking like plastic and tasting the same
[07:59:57] <Bender> karma - swiss_cheese: -2
[08:01:22] <crutchy> dick_cheese-- # cos. just cos
[08:01:22] <Bender> karma - dick_cheese: -1
[08:03:59] <crutchy> http://www.smh.com.au
[08:03:59] <NetCraft> ^ 03Dick Smith | TV Ad | Australia Day
[08:32:33] <chromas> 334 users in #debianfork now
[08:33:00] <chromas> sticks for crutchy: http://juggsdrobly.manichostingservices.co.uk
[08:34:29] <JamesNZ> Is it actually going ahead?
[08:34:35] <crutchy> haha LennartPoettering is there :p
[08:34:53] <crutchy> JamesNZ, it's going around in circles
[08:34:54] <chromas> Poettring
[08:34:55] <JamesNZ> No, LennartPoettring ;)
[08:35:16] <crutchy> exec is spying on their github repos
[08:35:20] <chromas> Lennart is just poettering on freenode
[08:35:21] <JamesNZ> crutchy: So, no real progress?
[08:35:55] <chromas> there's a lot of circlejerky in that channel, but we had that too, while the devs were off in another channel
[08:36:05] <JamesNZ> No leaders? No definite plans? No manifesto?
[08:36:13] <chromas> in this case, they latched onto devuan (which has a channel by that name)
[08:36:13] <JamesNZ> Ah.
[08:36:42] <chromas> I think they're doing some stuff by mailing list
[08:37:09] <chromas> However, unless they have another github repo then yeah, it looks like not much action
[08:37:49] <crutchy> there's been some issues closed, pull request deleted or something
[08:38:43] * JamesNZ sees they have a github: https://github.com
[08:38:43] <NetCraft> ^ 03Devuan · GitHub
[08:38:47] <crutchy> there was even this oddball
[08:38:50] <crutchy> <exec> pull request by tamiko @ 23:29:58 - https://github.com
[08:38:50] <crutchy> <exec> └─
[08:38:51] <NetCraft> ^ 03fix devuan repository declarations in sources.list by tamiko · Pull Request #11 · devuan/devuan-baseconf · GitHub
[08:38:59] <crutchy> showed up empty
[08:42:12] <crutchy> only lazy people put empties. i at least put in something when i automated my git pushes :p
[08:43:00] <JamesNZ> :P
[08:44:18] <chromas> One of the non-retards in their channel is from uselessd
[08:45:03] <crutchy> not surprising. if any of the rest had any brains they would be supporting that
[08:46:09] <chromas> Sure would make things easier. Start there, and split the other bits of systemd into separate projects
[08:46:13] <crutchy> a few of them seem to be too busy smoking rms's toe cheese
[08:46:42] <chromas> holy shit, were you there when free_speech was going on and on about putting the "gnu/" on linux?
[08:46:52] <crutchy> i think so yeah
[08:47:02] <crutchy> or maybe some of it
[08:47:03] <chromas> Now that's free speech
[08:47:47] <crutchy> if i had know i was headed for a ban i would have taken way more advantage of my time in there :p
[08:47:50] <chromas> We should start our own little distro
[08:47:57] <chromas> :D
[08:48:10] <chromas> I probably would've got a kick too but I quit talking
[08:48:16] <crutchy> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[08:48:17] <NetCraft> ^ 03Wiki: IRC:exec
[08:48:31] <crutchy> wroted some new sections in there today
[08:48:34] <crutchy> pipe dreaming
[08:48:36] <chromas> We need a Soylent distro with epoch and execfs
[08:49:44] <crutchy> i just need to code execfs. i made a little path traversing function
[08:49:47] <chromas> hey crutchy, you could use a real filesystem :)
[08:50:01] <chromas> make a file and mount it into a folder somewhere as a disk
[08:50:14] <crutchy> i kinda like the idea of some abstract thing in memory
[08:50:16] <chromas> then everything's in a single file
[08:50:21] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:50:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 9897
[08:50:33] <crutchy> but definitely need to be able to dump to disk
[08:50:50] <chromas> there's ramdisks
[08:51:44] <crutchy> nod
[08:51:55] <chromas> I don't have to do all the work so I can suggest all kinds of things :D
[08:52:06] <crutchy> remember those from windows 95 startup disk days :p
[08:52:13] <crutchy> suggestions++
[08:52:13] <Bender> karma - suggestions: 1
[08:52:16] <chromas> linux uses 'em too
[08:52:23] <chromas> apparently that's the default for /tmp now
[08:52:30] <crutchy> ah
[08:52:48] <crutchy> i use an old fart version though. maybe mine is still etched into rocks
[08:53:00] <chromas> fortunately they're dynamically allocated, so they don't hog all your rams up
[08:53:25] <chromas> you could do it manually. I was reading that systemd makes it default
[08:53:40] <crutchy> my whole linux hard disk is dynamically allocated on my lappy
[08:53:54] <chromas> you should start storing all your files in execfs
[08:53:57] <crutchy> i have to install systemd
[08:54:21] <chromas> make a fuse driver that lets you mount exec as a disk :D
[08:54:26] * crutchy is still stuck in /etc/init.d/oldfart start land
[08:54:45] <chromas> I never used that so it's foreign to me
[08:54:57] <chromas> service apache2 start
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[08:56:09] <chromas> if you happened to use the service command then the transition to systemd would be slightly easier 'cause distros still have that as a wrapper for systemd
[08:56:38] <crutchy> i still use apache2ctl for that
[08:57:07] <chromas> I didn't even know that existed
[08:57:25] <crutchy> omg apache used ctl before systemd!
[08:57:32] <crutchy> patent warz!
[08:58:07] <chromas> wait a minute, that means systemd is more like the old system than the internet says
[08:58:30] <crutchy> debianfork is a conspiracy!
[08:59:12] <chromas> wouldn't it be funny if debianfork was created by debian devs just to give the noisemakers a place to squeel?
[08:59:31] <chromas> s/e/a/10
[08:59:31] <sedctl> <chromas> wouldn't it be funny if debianfork was created by debian devs just to give the noisemakars a place to squeel?
[08:59:48] <chromas> off_by_three--
[08:59:48] <Bender> karma - off_by_three: -1
[09:01:34] <crutchy> i dunno why they don't just call their fork 'hurd'. then they wouldn't have to do anything
[09:02:04] <chromas> hehe, we should go into the channel and plant seeds of doubt :D
[09:02:20] <chromas> /nick poutine
[09:03:30] <chromas> I think right now, they're trying to figure out how to get the system to boot without systemd because udev etc
[09:29:31] <crutchy> hehe i've done that :D
[09:29:57] <crutchy> admittedly with wheeze though
[09:30:08] <crutchy> s/ze/zy/
[09:30:08] <sedctl> <crutchy> admittedly with wheezy though
[09:35:54] <chromas> See, you're already ahead :)
[09:41:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Android MPD Client about to be Pulled from Play Store - http://sylnt.us - not-being-evil
[09:49:21] <crutchy> without dbus you end up with a pretty crapd system though
[09:50:52] <chromas> they'll probably figure that out
[09:51:20] <chromas> uselessd replaces dbus with a virtual filesystem for ipc I guess
[09:51:58] <crutchy> ooh sounds a bit execy :D
[09:52:28] <crutchy> well exec-sometime-probably-in-the-distant-future-y
[10:06:41] <chromas> <Nix\> pythoneer: first release of Devuan for spring of 2015 aprox
[10:07:12] <chromas> revolucion!
[10:08:29] <chromas> crutchy: you should create a systemd-free repo for Debian and point them to it just for lulz
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[10:59:47] <Konomi> hmm pesky zombie date process where are you coming from
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[11:18:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:18:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 9898
[11:19:04] <crutchy> ++coffee
[11:19:04] <NetCraft> Karma - coffee: 125
[11:28:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> urg, adding this link is gonna be a pain.
[11:34:52] * Konomi found the issue
[11:35:12] <Konomi> apparently lifespan should not be 0
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[11:48:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> everyone coding this evening or is that just my reason for being quiet?
[11:51:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Montana Lawmakers Propose 85 Mph Speed Limit On Interstates - http://sylnt.us - speeeeeed!
[12:01:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Montana Lawmakers Propose 85 Mph Speed Limit on Interstates - http://sylnt.us - speeeeeed!
[12:35:24] <ar> Highways in Poland have a 140km/h limit
[12:51:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> bout the same then
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[12:52:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> you and the netbook are very bouncy this morning, Konomi
[12:52:40] * Konomi boings
[13:20:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.facebook.com
[13:20:59] <NetCraft> ^ 03Mike Vaughn | Facebook
[13:40:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - O'Reilly Discounts Every eBook By 50% or More in US - For 3 Days Only - http://sylnt.us - buy-yourself-a-present
[13:41:17] <Leebert> Oh, that story is going to cause a riot.
[13:55:26] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: I was basically restarting cause of this https://www.gnu.org
[13:55:27] <NetCraft> ^ 03Backtick - Screen User's Manual
[13:55:32] <Konomi> I had my gnu screen back tick wrong
[13:55:40] <Konomi> and it was leaving zombie date processes
[13:55:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> doh
[13:55:51] <Konomi> I made it 0 0 1 instead of 0 1 1
[13:56:05] <Konomi> so screen was expecting it to stay open and constantly give input
[13:56:23] <Konomi> cause everythign runs in screen I had to redo both ;p
[13:56:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> yerg
[14:14:23] <Leebert> screen? I use terminal services you insensitive clod!
[14:16:51] <CoolHand> why would one use screen over tmux on a Linux or BSD system? I seriously wonder..
[14:17:56] <Leebert> Habit? Muscle memory? Never heard of tmux? :)
[14:18:43] <CoolHand> I map ctrl-b to ctrl-a in tmux so muscle memory is essentially non-issue..
[14:19:36] <CoolHand> I do use screen on our AIX systems still since there is a package for that in the toolbox and not for tmux
[14:21:49] <Leebert> Actually, the ctrl-a thing has been a bit of a thorn for me. I use ctrl-a to "beginning of line" often.
[14:23:07] <Konomi> because screen was available I didn't see a reason to use tmux?
[14:25:36] <Leebert> Apropos to screen, the only reason I can actually follow this conversation right now is that I can resume my screen session at each subway station. :)
[14:27:51] * Leebert wishes subway operators wouldn't leave the station until they knew they could go all of the way to the next
[14:28:00] <Leebert> err
[14:28:03] <Leebert> station
[14:28:30] <Leebert> Sitting in a tunnel with no network access gives me sads.
[14:29:14] <CoolHand> Leebert: at least you live in a city with a subway... we have to DRIVE everywhere... :( (although bicycling in warmer months is becoming more practical)
[14:29:26] <paulej72> they need to add wifi to the tunnels as well as the stations, wifi is a “right” not a privledge
[14:30:02] <Leebert> I don't live in a city with a subway. I WORK in a city with a subway. :)
[14:30:19] <Leebert> paulej72: Years ago, Verizon cellphones worked in the tunnels.
[14:30:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> i ate a really good sammich from a subway the other day
[14:30:51] <CoolHand> TheMightyBuzzard: spicy italian?
[14:30:55] <paulej72> probably old analog repeters that were never updated to digital
[14:30:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> CoolHand, yup
[14:31:04] <CoolHand> :)
[14:31:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, lower frequency so it could go through solid stuff too
[14:32:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> bloody 5GHz stuff may carry a lot of data but you're lucky to get it to go through a sheet of paper
[14:33:01] <paulej72> plus all of the subway riders were unhappy with all of the repeted “can you hear me now” and “I’m in a tunnel, no I am in a tunnel” being screamed by people into there phones.
[14:34:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's what lead pipes were invented for. the romans just didn't know it at the time.
[14:35:07] <paulej72> I am partial to tungstun ones, they are denser.
[14:36:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> oldschool for me. i like the meaty thunk rather than a boonnnggg.
[14:38:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i may need some breakfast pie. getting kinda low-bloodsugary.
[14:41:41] <paulej72> I had breakfast birthday cake
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[15:13:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm starting to quite dislike phys.org. they seem to have an irrational phobia of linking to anything other than themselves.
[15:17:06] <Leebert> I'm in an "Agile" transformation meeting.
[15:17:17] <Leebert> I think these consultants have NO idea what they've bitten off.
[15:17:53] * Leebert sits back and sips his water while waiting for the inevitable failure
[15:18:18] <Leebert> "This is a cultural change. If we don't change culture, this will fail."
[15:18:42] <Leebert> Trying my best to bite my tongue and not say: "Then let's just go ahead and fail and save us all a bunch of money."
[15:19:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> go ahead n say it
[15:19:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> someone needs to
[15:21:01] <Leebert> When the slide talks about the need to "trust the team", there is a clear disconnect that they don't realize that the team is not trustworthy so that's kinda tough. :)
[15:24:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> "What's your position on the assertion that Agile turns any software project in to an unholy, unmaintainable, mess?"
[15:32:16] <Leebert> These are sales guys, I'm a security guy. I'm surrounded by senior management. He'd plow right through me if I asked that question.
[15:39:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> "Yes, I'm aware that you know many buzzwords while all I know is the security nightmare and insane mess Agile makes of actual projects."
[15:40:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> you take this sitting down and you're gonna be doing Agile, like it or not.
[15:43:09] <Leebert> Well. I intend to catch these guys "after class" and talk one-on-one.
[15:43:18] <Leebert> If nothing else, they need to know what they're up against.
[15:44:06] <Leebert> Experience tells me what will happen here is that they'll take about 3-5 weeks to figure out just how bad stuff is.
[15:44:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i never minded going up against sales guys. it's easy to out-argue someone when they have no idea what they're talking about.
[15:44:47] <Leebert> After that, they'll find a few "quick wins", cobble together an arguable success, and run out the door declaring victory.
[15:45:02] <Leebert> I'm sorry, do I sound cynical?
[15:45:09] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[15:45:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, you're doing the politics thing.
[15:46:04] * Leebert looks around. It is Washington, DC, man. The people who take out the garbage play politics.
[15:46:46] <Leebert> Not to the extent that the NYC garbage people do, of course. If you can call organized crime "playing politics". :)
[15:46:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i never bothered with that. like me or hate me, they always get my honest and unvarnished opinion.
[15:47:01] <Leebert> I used to be that way.
[15:47:19] <Leebert> I've learned when and where to express a strong opinion.
[15:47:32] <Leebert> Hopeless causes aren't the place to burn political capital.
[15:47:53] <Leebert> Besides, no one will mistake me for being enthusiastic about this. :)
[15:50:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - British Oil Giant Forced to Cut CEO Pay in Half - http://sylnt.us - start-of-a-welcome-trend
[15:50:50] <Konomi> it took me to realise why I didn't like the folk name of debian devuan sounds like a vacuume cleaner brand
[15:50:55] <Konomi> fork*
[15:51:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> you saying the idea sucks?
[15:51:32] <Konomi> hmm imo it does others might think differently though
[15:51:38] <Konomi> I was mostly talking about the name ;p
[15:52:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i wasted a perfectly good pun there
[15:53:41] <Konomi> ;p
[15:55:02] <Konomi> http://boingboing.net
[15:55:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm. don't think i have any more code in me for the morning.
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[17:09:46] <crutchy> they should rename devuan to gnu/circlejerk
[17:10:05] <Konomi> gnu/soggybiscut?
[17:10:08] * Konomi hides
[17:10:27] <Konomi> the things you learn when all you have is brothers >.<
[17:11:15] * crutchy gathps
[17:22:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg, i wouldn't use any distro that called themselves gnu/distroname anyway. fight the stupid.
[17:27:45] <Leebert> I rolled my eyes when they did that, but it wasn't worth getting all in a tizzy over IMO.
[17:28:08] <Konomi> I still don't like calling it linux
[17:28:15] <Konomi> simply cause no other OS refers tot he kernel as the OS
[17:28:22] <Konomi> bsd doesn't windows doesn't neither does mac
[17:28:30] <Konomi> it's out of place
[17:32:29] <SirFinkus> I usually use the distro name
[17:32:45] <SirFinkus> the gnu/linux thing is stupid
[17:32:58] <SirFinkus> RMS is just bitter
[17:33:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[17:33:56] <crutchy> i think people call it linux cos the kernel is the only common thing. so many distros can be confusing for a layperson
[17:34:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, i can get on board with calling them linux if it's part of the name (archlinux) or if you're talking about multiple distros rather than a single one.
[17:35:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean what else are you gonna call a group made up of debian, arch, gentoo, redhat, and slackware?
[17:35:47] <crutchy> operating systems?
[17:35:56] <SirFinkus> linux distributions
[17:36:49] <crutchy> they're all just a bunch of pornstar names
[17:37:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> but yeah, i'm not calling my os gnu/arch/systemd/gtk2/lxde
[17:37:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> should prolly throw bash and xorg in there too
[17:37:44] <crutchy> and dbus
[17:38:06] <crutchy> better indicate fs too
[17:39:30] <SirFinkus> there was an article I read that said we should call it by whatever code the CPU spends the most time executing
[17:39:46] <crutchy> ADD?
[17:39:52] <SirFinkus> I'd imagine it'd be the kernel
[17:39:56] <crutchy> or MOV?
[17:40:01] <SirFinkus> lol
[17:40:01] <ciri> it's not that funny :)
[17:40:18] <SirFinkus> ciri--
[17:40:18] <Bender> karma - ciri: -30
[17:40:22] <SirFinkus> how funny is that ciri?
[17:40:22] <ciri> very carefully and then some
[17:40:49] <SirFinkus> fair enough
[17:41:23] <crutchy> yeah i can't top ciri there
[17:41:55] <SirFinkus> Processes: 263 total, 2 running, 16 stuck, 245 sleeping, 1563 threads 09:41:48
[17:41:55] <SirFinkus> Load Avg: 1.98, 1.84, 1.89 CPU usage: 5.4% user, 3.24% sys, 91.70% idle
[17:42:04] <SirFinkus> oh wait, wrong top
[17:42:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd have to call mine minecraftd or ffmpeg then if we're going by used cycles
[17:42:54] <crutchy> i'd have to call mine dumbphpbot
[17:43:20] <SirFinkus> I'd think the cpu is waiting for shit more often than doing shit
[17:43:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> IdleOS?
[17:43:39] <SirFinkus> and I think "waiting for shit" is the domain of the kernel
[17:43:46] <SirFinkus> I could be wrong though
[17:44:37] <crutchy> they should rename devuan to "waiting for shit"
[17:45:00] <SirFinkus> better than fucking devuan
[17:45:10] <SirFinkus> devuan sounds like birth control or something
[17:45:19] <crutchy> s/wa/gnu\/wa/
[17:45:19] <sedctl> <crutchy> they should rename devuan to "gnu/waiting for shit"
[17:45:33] <SirFinkus> now you're just showing off
[17:46:05] <SirFinkus> if I personally knew RMS, I'd just ask him "how's HURD coming along" every time I saw him
[17:46:41] <crutchy> and their website should be geocities.ilikeframes.org
[17:46:54] <Leebert> I'm still pondering if it would be best to start a project with the express purpose of submitting patches to Debian to remove systemd dependencies. To me, that would offer a tangible improvement while not incurring the overhead of trying to maintain a whole fork.
[17:46:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> if i knew RMS, i'd have sore knuckles
[17:47:34] <SirFinkus> well, I was under the impression that systemd was in
[17:47:41] <SirFinkus> I doubt the patches would be accepted
[17:48:07] <Leebert> Why not?
[17:48:26] <crutchy> they should be competing with systemd to make something better, not taking a dump on their own chest for the entertainment of systemd devs
[17:48:31] <Leebert> As I understand it, the only decision Debian made is that systemd is default.
[17:48:41] <SirFinkus> seems like it would unnecessarily fragment things
[17:49:13] <SirFinkus> and the task would be too large, you just need on package to require systemd and it'll pull the whole thing in
[17:49:13] <Leebert> If you send a developer a patch that fixes a bogus systemd dependency, why wouldn't the developer accept it?
[17:49:27] <crutchy> uselessd seems like a good thing. systemd replacement with a compatibility layer
[17:49:33] <Leebert> Right, so you fix that bogus dependency in that one package.
[17:49:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you send it to the developer, fine. if you send it to debian, they'd ignore it.
[17:49:50] <SirFinkus> well, bogus dependencies should always be fixed
[17:50:03] <SirFinkus> I mean, that should be a given
[17:50:04] <Leebert> TheMightyBuzzard: Sure, whatever is necessary to fix the issue. But you get the general point.
[17:50:17] <Leebert> Any systemd-free port is going to have to do that *anyway*.
[17:50:38] <crutchy> i think developers like systemd. its users that are pissy
[17:50:45] <Leebert> So why not put your energy into fixing the actual (perceived?) problem.
[17:50:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> and sysadmins
[17:50:58] <SirFinkus> it just doesn't seem worth the effort, I'd bet that 99% of the people who are running debian on their systems aren't going to rip out the default init system
[17:51:19] <Leebert> So more than 1% of them are going to go use a fork instead, then? :)
[17:51:25] <SirFinkus> yes
[17:51:38] <Leebert> I can't say you've convinced me...
[17:51:44] <crutchy> or goto mac
[17:51:57] <Leebert> But hey, it's not my place to tell other people what to do with their time and resources.
[17:52:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Human Brain Cells can Take Over Mice Brains - http://sylnt.us - HHGTTG-will-never-be-the-same
[17:52:18] <SirFinkus> well, you're expending very limited developer time for the 1% of people that will actually care enough to swap the init system
[17:52:28] <SirFinkus> it seems like it'd be pretty low on the priority list
[17:52:36] <crutchy> heh. first thing that popped into my head then was McBrain
[17:53:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> first thing that popped into my head was i could possibly use a nap.
[17:53:13] <SirFinkus> sleep()
[17:53:16] <crutchy> hmm prolly cos i misread mice as mince
[17:53:26] <crutchy> stupid 5am
[17:53:28] <Leebert> SirFinkus: But wouldn't you need to do that for a systemd-free fork anyway?
[17:53:44] <SirFinkus> yes, but that project would be run by anti-systemd people
[17:54:09] <Leebert> I, uh... hey, whatever man. :)
[17:54:13] <SirFinkus> they'd give a shit, and that would be the distro's selling point
[17:54:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> think he's saying more people will use a fork than will rip out and replace their init system
[17:54:32] <crutchy> i think they just suck at selling their message. or maybe they don't have one. i dunno
[17:54:40] <Leebert> Only if it were a viable distro, yes.
[17:54:53] <SirFinkus> pretty much this TheMightyBuzzard
[17:55:14] <Leebert> If a fork can't fire out security updates in a timely manner, and other such things, its position on systemd is irrelevant, IMO.
[17:55:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> like say using SN rather than writing up a userscript/custom-css for /.
[17:55:39] <Leebert> Well, the /. fork was about way more than slashcode. IMO.
[17:55:53] <SirFinkus> well, it's more like trying to get slashdot to accept user code to un-beta it
[17:56:01] <crutchy> /. was ghay all over. not just layout
[17:56:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[17:56:20] <Leebert> Particularly since DICE had no interest in any community help. Again, if Debian rejected dependency-fixing patches, that would be one thing. But I don't see that happening.
[17:57:08] <Leebert> If a fork is because of a fundamental change in the philosophy of Debian, I can kind of get that.
[17:57:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> proper place for patches would be downstream at the app developers though. i can't see debian going out of their way to reintroduce systemd dependencies.
[17:57:24] <SirFinkus> an init system seems pretty fundamental
[17:58:35] <crutchy> devuan is a new religion; lets sit around a campfire whacking off and bitching about systemd and hope that gawd is listening
[17:58:43] <Leebert> TheMightyBuzzard: Sure, but that's basically my point. To address the problem most efficiently (IMO), your merry band of developers wouldn't waste their time mantaining a distribution (which is a LOT of work), but would instead spend their time fixing systemd dependencies, which is somethingn they would have to do ANYWAY if they were maintaining a non-systemd fork.
[17:59:33] <Leebert> Again, seems like a distraction from the task at hand to me. *shrug*
[17:59:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> still best to do that as well as creating a fork. lot more folks will use/contribute to a fork than to a bunch of guys writing patches
[17:59:35] <SirFinkus> I'm kind of in the same camp, but it seems our disagreement is whether or not the patches will be accepted into the main Debian branch
[17:59:42] <crutchy> s/ga/gnu\/ga/
[17:59:42] <sedctl> <crutchy> devuan is a new religion; lets sit around a campfire whacking off and bitching about systemd and hope that gnu/gawd is listening
[17:59:55] <Leebert> TheMightyBuzzard: I could see the motivation factor, sure.
[18:00:16] <SirFinkus> fucking linux
[18:00:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm just waiting for MS to come out with a linux distro so i can have clippy back.
[18:00:46] <Leebert> SirFinkus: I'd agree with a fork if Debian rejected patches for the sole reason of it removing a systemd dependency.
[18:01:01] <Leebert> SirFinkus: Yes. <3 Theo
[18:01:02] <crutchy> and install bob
[18:02:05] <SirFinkus> I'm not saying it'd be the sole reason, it just wouldn't be a high priority, and given the nature of systemd, it isn't going to be a worthwhile effort if you can't get the vast majority of the software to not require it
[18:02:12] <SirFinkus> since it really only takes one package
[18:02:15] <crutchy> it looks like you're writing a letter. would you like to be molested whilst writing your letter? i can help with that
[18:02:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> woot
[18:02:51] <Leebert> SirFinkus: But what I'm confused about is -- it only takes one package on the fork as well.
[18:03:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth though, i'd actually try a MS linux distro in a VM at least if for no other reason than curiosity
[18:04:08] <SirFinkus> yes, but the fork can curate which packages they accept into the system
[18:04:09] <Leebert> And if that comes from upstream...
[18:04:34] <SirFinkus> the point of the distro is to avoid systemd, so they just don't accept any packages that require it
[18:04:38] <crutchy> wouldn't be surprised if there's a bit of linux in windows 8 anyway
[18:04:50] <Leebert> SirFinkus: Ah, so basically the difference is that the fork wouldn't try to maintain all of the Debian packages.
[18:05:03] <SirFinkus> I know MS grabbed a lot of the BSD netcode
[18:05:15] <crutchy> just with a few var names changed, etc
[18:05:17] <SirFinkus> basically
[18:05:32] <Leebert> Which, still doesn't seem to compute. Because you just wouldn't install those packages on your Debian system...
[18:05:47] <Leebert> SirFinkus: Not arguing, really. I'm just trying to understand the rationale.
[18:05:56] <SirFinkus> it's a culture thing, systemd is now the debian way of doing things
[18:06:16] <crutchy> till something awesomer comes along
[18:06:29] <crutchy> ponyd
[18:06:41] <SirFinkus> I doubt removing systemd dependencies is going to be high on their priority list
[18:07:18] <crutchy> only thing about systemd that's really entrenched in the api calls (or whatever they're called)
[18:07:41] <crutchy> the code that responds to them shouldn't be hard to replace
[18:08:33] <crutchy> just need to make a fakesystemd package
[18:08:56] <crutchy> have a file that maps systemd calls to whatever you want
[18:08:58] <crutchy> maybe
[18:09:05] <Leebert> I shall be watching eagerly from the sidlines over the next couple of years.
[18:09:17] <Leebert> Maybe paying a "fix a systemd dependency" bounty here and there.
[18:12:08] <SirFinkus> fair enough
[18:16:32] <Leebert> Interesting that there's a GR to term limit the tech-ctte...
[18:30:39] <mythterj> Making user space packages depend on systemd is the wrong way to go, just make the packages call shims, and have the shims call what ever your system is running. Embedding requirements in packages is something everyone will regret.
[18:53:18] <Blackmoore> and that's a mistake we made back in mainframe days
[18:54:14] <Blackmoore> and why it took as long as it did to update system V when new mainframes came available.
[18:55:01] <Blackmoore> and ultimately why that code was replaced - bit by bit with much better software.
[18:55:10] <Blackmoore> but here we are again.
[19:12:33] <Leebert> But it'll be different this time. :)
[19:17:08] <crutchy> the calls are just calls. you could make a shim package to map sysv calls to systemd too
[19:18:05] <crutchy> if they can be intercepted
[19:54:04] <SirFinkus> oh fuck, I guess I missed that
[19:54:11] <SirFinkus> we going to Mars
[20:01:04] <SirFinkus> https://twitter.com
[20:01:06] <NetCraft> ^ 03NASA on Twitter: "We're sending humans to Mars! Watch our #JourneytoMars briefing live today at 12pm ET: http://t.co #Orion http://t.co"
[20:01:09] * SirFinkus is fucking pumped
[20:01:30] <SirFinkus> missed the briefing, should be on youtube or something I'd imagine
[20:01:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 2014 Hubble Space Telescope Advent Calendar - http://sylnt.us - unclear-advent-connection
[20:02:19] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[20:02:20] <NetCraft> ^ 03NASA’s Journey to Mars News Briefing - YouTube
[20:12:25] * SirFinkus has a massive spaceboner right now
[20:13:24] <SirFinkus> I didn't realize we could get 20MB/s on long range space radios
[20:18:50] <SirFinkus> this guy is already talking about extracting oxygen from mars's atmosphere for breathing and rocket fuel
[20:27:10] <SirFinkus> biggest rocket ever built
[20:27:20] <SirFinkus> 10% more than Saturn 5
[20:28:11] <SirFinkus> "Moon and beyond"
[20:28:25] <SirFinkus> almost too good to be true
[20:32:47] <mythterj> Certainly too good to be true. The funding will be pissed away long before anything gets accomplished.
[20:33:34] <crutchy> ^^
[21:20:31] <Blackmoore> can we at least load it up like the "b" ark?
[21:20:51] <Blackmoore> i'm not too concerned if the rocket fails.
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[21:24:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> telephone sanitizers and hairdressers and such?
[21:25:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> wouldn't help as we're all descended from them anyway
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[21:55:00] <Blackmoore> b ark was management and politicians
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[21:55:38] <Blackmoore> I'd rather have decended from an Ape then a congresscritter.
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[22:23:29] <SirFinkus> good news!
[22:23:31] <SirFinkus> you are!
[22:23:40] <SirFinkus> congresscritters are all lizard people
[22:23:46] <SirFinkus> everyone knows that
[22:26:48] <JamesNZ> OOC, why is our logo a wrapper?
[22:31:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Disgraced Scientist is Selling his Nobel Prize - http://sylnt.us - come-here-I-need-you
[22:38:15] <SirFinkus> because nobody made a better logo
[22:41:03] <Blackmoore> We really need to find is a graphis person to update that.
[22:41:21] <Blackmoore> mayby fashon it as a lable on a jar
[22:41:25] <Blackmoore> or a can
[22:41:51] <chromas> would it have a "100% beta free!" on it?
[22:41:58] <JamesNZ> Hmm.
[22:42:27] * chromas imagines JamesNZ busting out a jar in blender
[22:43:39] <JamesNZ> :)
[22:44:53] <chromas> Hmm, but if it's clear, then you have to figure out what the soylent looks like. Maybe a red sauce. Be sure to have a toe sticking out
[22:48:21] <Blackmoore> soylent is green..
[22:48:39] <Blackmoore> i assumed we went with red to contrast.
[22:48:51] <Blackmoore> (i'm using the blue)
[22:49:37] <Blackmoore> we'll also need banon and muffins..
[22:49:38] <chromas> soylent green is green. We're just soylent
[22:49:46] <chromas> we're red because that's the default for slash
[22:49:47] <Blackmoore> hmm..
[22:50:06] <chromas> inverse of slashdot/s cyan (not green)
[22:50:21] <chromas> s/\//'/
[22:50:21] <sedctl> <chromas> inverse of slashdot's cyan (not green)
[22:51:02] <chromas> when tmb's terminal theme is merged, they should make it the default :)
[22:52:15] <chromas> or crutchy's theme
[22:54:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> OMG PWNIES needs to be the default
[22:57:27] <chromas> needs a touch of js
[22:57:37] <chromas> so the pwnie occasionally farts a rainbow
[22:58:05] <chromas> and makes a jingly sound
[22:58:14] <chromas> jinglefart
[22:58:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> you'll have to submit that pull request. i ain't touchin js anymore than i absolutely have to
[22:59:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> headin out after pizza.
[23:01:11] <chromas> pizzascript
[23:06:23] <JamesNZ> pizza++ # <3
[23:06:23] <Bender> karma - pizza: 21
[23:22:08] <chromas> ♥++
[23:22:19] <chromas> :( Bender, learn2unicode
[23:22:42] <chromas> pizza++ # ♥
[23:22:42] <Bender> karma - pizza: 22
[23:24:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> !whyup pizza
[23:24:41] <Bender> reasons for karma up are: For great good., <3, ♥
[23:25:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> appears he knows unicode but the person who wrote the karma plugin didn't
[23:33:03] <chromas> karma++ # 💩
[23:33:03] <Bender> karma - karma: 15
[23:34:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, i need to write up a moderation changes post.
[23:35:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> and also to finish up the actual changes