#Soylent | Logs for 2014-11-26

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[00:39:52] <SpallsHurgenson> ~suggest change the IRC logs so the most recent are on the top of the page, not the bottom
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[00:58:33] <SpallsHurgenson> the internet is not proving to be particularly entertaining tonight
[00:59:13] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[00:59:13] <NetCraft> ^ 03Facebook Fraud - YouTube
[01:01:14] <Konomi> just when I think facebook couldn't add more reasons to my list to hate it
[01:01:37] <SpallsHurgenson> not really a new issue; I remember reading about this a year or two ago
[01:02:24] <LaminatorX> Ferguson livestream: http://www.ustream.tv
[01:02:25] <NetCraft> ^ 03BassemMasri on USTREAM: .
[01:04:52] <Konomi> SpallsHurgenson: I never knew about it cuase I generally avoid facebook
[01:05:04] <Konomi> I have to wonder how many facebook users know about it though
[01:05:45] <Konomi> also
[01:05:46] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[01:05:46] <NetCraft> ^ 03How Ferguson showed us the truth about police - YouTube
[01:06:45] <Konomi> also a neat but somewhat not as strct option for noscript is
[01:06:57] <Konomi> options -> advanced -> trusted -> cascade permissions
[01:07:04] <SpallsHurgenson> probably a good chunk of those who are concerned -businesses - with the issue (e.g., worth of facebook likes).
[01:07:13] <Konomi> means if you temporarly allow or perm' allow a web site all it's third party javascript is loaded as well
[01:07:29] <Konomi> saves a lot of clicking if you don't mind the security of no script being slightly weaker
[01:07:57] <Konomi> SpallsHurgenson: figured that I meant average users hehe
[01:08:28] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, but it's not really a concern for them so they don't really need to know
[01:11:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Sony Compromised by Ransomware-hack - http://sylnt.us - memory-sick
[01:14:35] <Konomi> thehe
[01:16:45] <SpallsHurgenson> still no details on the hack or the demands :(
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[01:28:51] * SpallsHurgenson watches the livestream from ferguson and while I in no way can defend the police in general, the fact that t
[01:29:15] <SpallsHurgenson> he mob is standing angrily outside the police station makes me wonder what else the cops are s'posed to do
[01:30:42] <Leebert> You don't have to defend the police to criticize the looters.
[01:31:12] <LaminatorX> The looters are a tiny fraction of the people on the streets.
[01:32:45] <LaminatorX> there have actually been more break-ins at sites away from the protests, as thieves take advantage of the police being concentrated elsewhere.
[01:35:55] <SpallsHurgenson> definitely assholes on both sides of the line
[01:36:22] <SpallsHurgenson> 'course, the cops are s'posed to be the good guys so the onus is on 'em to behave :)
[01:37:19] <LaminatorX> Also when a few baddies do wrong, the whole croud gets gassed. When police do wrong, the do so with near impunity.
[01:38:13] <SpallsHurgenson> well, definitely the cops have abused their position to assure themselves of immunity
[01:38:59] <SpallsHurgenson> if the police were better at, well, policing themselves there wouldn't be half this problem.
[01:40:25] <LaminatorX> There are negotiations under way for a bill to be introduced before the STL City Board of Aldermen for an independant civilian review board. The principles are worked out, but there is haggling over details such that Mayor Slay would sign it.
[01:42:11] <Konomi> I like the phrase I heard recently
[01:42:15] <Konomi> "Criminals in uniform"
[01:43:32] <LaminatorX> Ferguson is particularly bad in that respect. STL Metro is a much more professional outfit.
[01:43:52] <SpallsHurgenson> well, both sides are definitely in a siege mentallity
[01:44:15] <LaminatorX> The little North County towns pay poorly and work their officers hard. They end up with the dregs.
[01:44:51] <LaminatorX> This has been hard on the officers, of course. A buddy on the force is working twelve hour shifts at the moment.
[01:45:22] <LaminatorX> Most of them didn't sign up for the jack-bootery.
[01:45:25] <SpallsHurgenson> well, I'm sure that helps their attitude. Nothing like tired, scared cops with guns :)
[01:46:16] <SpallsHurgenson> the streamer sure likes the phrase "collective punishment" :)
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[01:58:16] <Konomi> the moderation point system really needs tweaking
[01:58:39] <Konomi> atm I mark the posts I want to moderate and when i don't have enough points I just wait until I get them then go back and retroactively moderate
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[02:00:23] <SpallsHurgenson> so you suggest, what? time limit on how long you can moderate a comment? Or fewer mod points shared out?
[02:00:44] <Konomi> lasting longer was my idea
[02:01:14] <Konomi> I know slashdot ended up tweaking moderation points at one point what they did wouldn't be suitable for soylent but what soylent has now doesn't seem suitable for it either
[02:01:28] <chromas> maybe they can decay
[02:01:38] <chromas> every few hours, one dies
[02:03:52] <Konomi> I agree with the expiring it just seems all the points expire before I ever get a chance to use them ;[
[02:04:11] <Konomi> so noting what I want to moderate and going backwards to moderate actually works out better
[02:04:34] <SpallsHurgenson> we need the ability to trade and gift mod points... also, virtual hats for our avatars :)
[02:04:41] <chromas> Do you select the moderation and leave the page open and press Moderate later?
[02:06:07] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: that's a good idea! Add new mod types, like Paranoid, dumb, etc; then we can earn the Tinfoil Hat or the Dunce Hat
[02:07:28] <chromas> The first avatar could be a soybean with one of those hatless visors
[02:07:37] <Konomi> I just think the points should last longer since our flow of stories isn't as fast as you know where
[02:07:40] <chromas> or hatless bill; whatever
[02:07:52] <SpallsHurgenson> it's okay to say Slashdot
[02:07:59] <Konomi> no it's not they ate my baby
[02:08:00] <Konomi> ;p
[02:08:03] <chromas> /kick SpallsHurgenson
[02:08:16] <SpallsHurgenson> hell, I still like Slashdot. Still read it regularly and probably will until beta becomes mandatory
[02:08:27] <Konomi> I'm waiting for beta to come so we get more users ;p
[02:08:42] <SpallsHurgenson> god knows they still have better summaries and comments (though soylent has made impressive strides over the past few months)
[02:08:48] <Konomi> also slashdot seems ot have lost a lot of readers over time
[02:08:57] <Konomi> at least their comments have dipped in count dramatically
[02:09:15] <SpallsHurgenson> their comments have become more redditlike too
[02:09:41] <SpallsHurgenson> e.g., the majority are now one or two-line quips with less and less actual discussion
[02:09:53] <Konomi> yup
[02:10:17] <Konomi> reddit needs a better system tbh
[02:10:17] <SpallsHurgenson> still enough good discussion there to make me keep going back, for now
[02:10:30] <Konomi> negative votes there are more used to hide the comments
[02:10:41] <Konomi> not for if they're blantently useless or inflamatory
[02:12:37] <SpallsHurgenson> still a far cry better than most other sites, including - sadly- soylent (although as I said, soy is improving... and I was rather impressed by the Strange Thrust discussion today)
[02:13:05] <Konomi> once the debian and systemd stuff cools down soylent will be okay
[02:13:27] <Konomi> it's mostly just having at it and letting it get through everyone's system including the arsehats
[02:13:36] <SpallsHurgenson> soy needs more audience. I think there is a lot of "I'll say something just so somebody is saying something" commenting going on
[02:14:00] <chromas> I agree!
[02:14:07] <SpallsHurgenson> me too!
[02:14:28] <Konomi> will take time
[02:14:34] <chromas> hey guys, what's the aol keyword for sn?
[02:15:00] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't know, let me find my AOL floppy and reinstall :)
[02:15:34] <Konomi> we have a lot of sensationalist readers atm they'll die down soon enough ;p
[02:16:07] <chromas> maybe we can fight fire with fire. Anybody bring up hosts in the systemd threads?
[02:16:14] <SpallsHurgenson> woohoo, sensational readers!
[02:16:39] <SpallsHurgenson> we could start posting stories about Microsoft and new Apple products :)
[02:17:42] <chromas> do they have any?
[02:17:57] <SpallsHurgenson> well, there's always RUMORS of new Apple products
[02:17:58] <Konomi> apple does I'm still trying to find MSes on any consumer shelf
[02:17:59] <Konomi> ;p
[02:18:28] <SpallsHurgenson> the local Microsoft store was pretty busy today; almost as busy as the Apple store
[02:18:39] <SpallsHurgenson> looks like Surface is gaining traction
[02:18:58] <Konomi> points to apple for not trying to put a tablet interface on their desktops though
[02:19:27] <chromas> except for inverting the touchpad scrolling
[02:19:30] <SpallsHurgenson> well, give them time. they don't have Steve to slap 'em to common sense anymore
[02:20:24] <SpallsHurgenson> the guy was a jerk and too often focused on form over functionality, but since his death Apple's designs have taken a slow dip
[02:21:19] <Konomi> chromas: disabled that for my friends
[02:21:26] <Konomi> dk what they were thinking there
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[02:22:11] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't think even Jobs would have soldered RAM to a motherboard
[02:24:07] <Konomi> yeah not defending the other stupid stuff they do
[02:24:14] <Konomi> but to the end user the interface is the most noticable
[02:24:33] <Konomi> and so so so many people I know hate windows 8 tiled start screen it is beyond belief ;p
[02:24:42] <SpallsHurgenson> and without Jobs I think we're gonna see Apple continue to Microsoft their UI :)
[02:25:33] <Konomi> yeah I won't be surprised
[02:25:46] <chromas> it's okay 'cause google's doing it too
[02:26:14] <SpallsHurgenson> ~define microsoft (verb) to screw up your product despite being repeatedly told by your customers they don't like the changes, then refusing to acknowledge your mistake. See Windows8, Firefox
[02:26:19] <exec> [wikipedia] 3Microsoft_(verb)_to_screw_up_your_product_despite_being_repeatedly_told_by_your_customers_they_don%27t_like_the_changes,_then_refusing_to_acknowledge_your_mistake._See_Windows8,_Firefox: The requested page title is invalid. It may be empty, contain unsupported characters, or include a non-local or incorrectly linked interwiki prefix. You may be able to locate the desired page by searc...
[02:26:32] <chromas> need a comma after the term
[02:26:36] <SpallsHurgenson> whoops, that wasn't actually supposed to do anything :)
[02:26:40] <chromas> oh, ~define-add I think
[02:26:42] <chromas> oh
[02:27:33] <Konomi> your page is invalid you big wind bag!
[02:27:34] * Konomi runs
[02:27:51] <Konomi> ~define gamergator
[02:28:01] <SpallsHurgenson> ougt to standardize bot commands in soylent, so they are all . or ~ or ! but not some bots using one thing and other bots using another
[02:28:03] <exec> gamergator: unable to find definition
[02:28:09] <Konomi> hehe
[02:28:29] <Konomi> I didn't notice the tweak in the spelling of that until I read it back a few times on an article
[02:28:34] <Konomi> rawr gator
[02:28:47] <Konomi> we need a bot overlord
[02:28:52] <chromas> ~define gator
[02:28:54] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3Gator: Best Pimp in the game, as seen from the movie the other guys. Thinks he runs a dating service
[02:29:00] <Konomi> you just do like !overlord <botname> <command>
[02:29:13] <chromas> there used to be that spyware gator
[02:29:25] <SpallsHurgenson> ~suggest assign an official #soylent bot czar to keep all the bots under control
[02:29:32] <exec> *** suggestion successfully added to wiki - http://sylnt.us
[02:29:42] <chromas> most of the bots respond to their name
[02:29:49] <chromas> Bender: karma coffee
[02:29:49] <Bender> karma of coffee is 933
[02:30:06] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, but who can keep track of all the bots... or their ever-shifting nyms? :)
[02:30:39] NetCraft is now known as wudduyoumean
[02:30:40] <SpallsHurgenson> probably better of just assuming everyone here is a bot
[02:30:58] <SpallsHurgenson> chromas: weather Houston
[02:31:12] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: Weather for Houston: Hot and shitty
[02:31:27] <Konomi> Bender: give me chocolate
[02:31:41] <Konomi> worst bot ever obviously ~
[02:31:44] <SpallsHurgenson> 55 is not hot
[02:32:03] <Konomi> heh a bot czar
[02:32:17] wudduyoumean is now known as NetCruft
[02:32:20] <Konomi> I'm just imaging them mishaving and having bots wars then bot czar jumps in and starts the banning
[02:32:39] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: didn't know it got that cold there
[02:32:44] <SpallsHurgenson> I recommend juggs; he likes to ban people :)
[02:33:31] <SpallsHurgenson> well, it is night time :)
[02:33:35] <Konomi> obviously our most evil moderator!
[02:33:41] <SpallsHurgenson> it'll be a balmy 70 degrees on Friday
[02:33:48] <Konomi> do you think he's listening ._.
[02:33:55] * Konomi looks for a place to hide
[02:34:20] <SpallsHurgenson> aww, juggs is a pussy-cat. Just slip him a few hundred dollars and he'll look away :)
[02:35:10] <Konomi> I know it's just fun to put him up at eval()!
[02:35:16] <Konomi> up as*
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[02:35:44] <SpallsHurgenson> s/a pussy-cat/corrupt/
[02:35:44] <sedctl> <SpallsHurgenson> aww, juggs is corrupt. Just slip him a few hundred dollars and he'll look away :)
[02:35:48] <Konomi> lol
[02:36:04] <poutine> I am testing some software designed for handling large bitcoin transactions, can someone help me test it? Just send me 5 or more bitcoins and it will send them right back, and I'll even mention you in the CONTRIBUTORS file
[02:36:14] <Konomi> speaking of actual evil ;p
[02:37:49] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't have any bitcoins. send me 5 bitcoins and I'll help you test :)
[02:37:59] <SpallsHurgenson> but remember, you promised to send them back when you were done :)
[02:38:31] <SpallsHurgenson> and don't worry, if you do that I promise I won't mention it to ANYONE :)
[02:38:33] * chromas submits 5 buttcoins
[02:39:53] <Konomi> lol
[02:40:20] <chromas> Sometimes we need a multi-line grab
[02:40:23] <Konomi> my new project uses souls, I'd ask in here but I know you all have none ;p
[02:40:33] * SpallsHurgenson is reminded of an apocryphal story about a guy who stored pennies up his ass and then used them to pay off his debts; that way he could feel superior that everyone handled his butt-pennies
[02:40:56] <Konomi> reading these atm: http://randi.io and http://randi.io
[02:40:57] <NetCruft> ^ 03Still Here, Part 1: A Memoir | randi.io
[02:40:57] <NetCruft> ^ 03Still Here, Part 2: Call to Arms | randi.io
[02:41:05] <SpallsHurgenson> chromas: or users who could put their funny comments into a single line :)
[02:42:08] * SpallsHurgenson is driving down a dark and rain-slicked twisty highway with no lights and 20 tons of sulfuric acid hooked up in a tank behind him atm :)
[02:44:45] <chromas> http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:46] <NetCruft> ^ 03SN comment by melikamp (1886)
[02:45:15] <SpallsHurgenson> kitty!
[02:45:41] <SpallsHurgenson> (if you kids are playing the SpallsHurgenson drinking game at home, I just mentioned "kitty" so take two shots now :)
[02:46:00] <chromas> in that case
[02:46:03] <chromas> kitty++
[02:46:03] <Bender> karma - kitty: 1
[02:46:10] <SpallsHurgenson> kitty!
[02:46:14] <chromas> four more shots! four more shots!
[02:46:32] <Konomi> "As I got older, the trolling intensified. I was ‘doxxed’. My mother would get phone calls in the middle of the night from boys on the internet that hated me. They would insult her. They would say that I should have been aborted. She tried to cut off my internet access, but I was determined. I would run phone lines from outside into my bedroom just so I could get online in the middle of the night. I would take her bedroom door off the hinges w
[02:46:39] <Konomi> wow and I thought I really wanted the internet
[02:47:13] <chromas> "door off the hinges w"
[02:47:25] <chromas> Inquiring minds want to know!™
[02:47:49] <Konomi> off the hinges when she wasn’t home so I could get to the computer. She tried her hardest, but I couldn’t be stopped. It was the only world in which I felt I had a place, even as horrible as that place might have been, and I wouldn’t give it up for anything."
[02:48:07] <Konomi> this is in the first part of the first link I mentioned above ;p
[02:48:24] <chromas> Hi, I'm from the internet; I don't read the articles
[02:48:26] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, but that would require clicking AND reading
[02:48:33] <Konomi> wow...
[02:48:36] <SpallsHurgenson> ten years at slashdot have trained me against that :)
[02:48:39] <Konomi> fuck that is horrifying
[02:48:42] <Konomi> "I left home. I moved in with two guys I knew from hacker culture on the internet. They made bets to see who would be the first to fuck me. I ended up in a relationship with one, until I found about the bet, and then it was so over."
[02:48:46] <Konomi> x.x
[02:48:59] <SpallsHurgenson> is there a video that I can watch instead?
[02:49:01] <chromas> sounds like a movie script
[02:49:22] <Konomi> I somehow doubt she'd have videoed early parts of her life SpallsHurgenson ;p
[02:49:39] <chromas> at least a recreation
[02:49:39] <SpallsHurgenson> these days I'm not so sure.
[02:50:24] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[02:50:25] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[02:50:30] <Konomi> considering dial up modems are mentioned I doubt it was recorded ;p
[02:50:33] <SpallsHurgenson> coffee++
[02:50:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[02:50:35] <SpallsHurgenson> coffee++
[02:50:35] <Bender> karma - coffee: 934
[02:50:36] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[02:50:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[02:50:38] <Konomi> caffeine++ # end the war they both contain it!
[02:50:38] <Bender> karma - caffeine: 54
[02:50:39] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[02:50:39] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[02:50:43] * SpallsHurgenson messes with JamesNZ
[02:50:55] * JamesNZ stirs up SpallsHurgenson
[02:51:21] <SpallsHurgenson> hey careful, I'm still regrowing my arm from yesterday
[02:51:22] <chromas> alcohol-- # this'll get 'em
[02:51:22] <Bender> karma - alcohol: -1
[02:51:28] <JamesNZ> :D
[02:51:49] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson got a free chainsaw
[02:52:02] <chromas> it only cost an arm and—wait a minute
[02:52:16] <Konomi> alcohol-- # only species that purposely poisons itself
[02:52:16] <Bender> karma - alcohol: -2
[02:52:35] <chromas> alcohol-- is a species?
[02:52:35] <Bender> karma - alcohol: -3
[02:52:54] <SpallsHurgenson> actually, I recall reading that rats would dip into the booze after being introduced to it
[02:53:24] <chromas> some animals ferment fruit so they can eat it later
[02:53:43] <Konomi> something tells me that qualifies as food ;p
[02:53:44] <SpallsHurgenson> and I know zoo gorrillas have been known to demand cigarettes
[02:53:46] <chromas> berries
[02:56:14] <silverly> alcohol-- #expensive piss
[02:56:14] <Bender> karma - alcohol: -4
[03:00:24] <SpallsHurgenson> iocane_powder++ # I mean, if you're gonna poison yourself...
[03:00:24] <Bender> karma - iocane_powder: 1
[03:01:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The NASA Asteroid Grand Challenge - http://sylnt.us - space-billiards
[03:02:07] <SpallsHurgenson> finally NASA focusses on the important stuff. Screw Mars; why spend all that time and energy to get OUT of a gravity well just to jump right back in?
[03:06:43] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean, it's not as if we aren't gonna be stuck in a tin-can no matter where we go, and if we're gonna be stuck in a jumped-up RV anyway it might as well be one that still has its wheels on :)
[03:13:26] <SpallsHurgenson> remember, mobility and pushing the frontier as far from Earth as possible are the key ideas!
[03:13:39] <SpallsHurgenson> you'll thank me for it when the Skraknid invasion fleet comes :)
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[03:53:34] * Konomi releases the howler monkeys upon the chat room
[03:54:00] <SpallsHurgenson> at last some intelligent conversation :)
[03:54:46] <Konomi> I know the monkeys are rather versed in interesting subjects
[03:54:51] <Konomi> they have to do something in their down time
[03:55:08] <SpallsHurgenson> can't be writing shakespeare all the time
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[04:29:13] <Konomi> http://www.smbc-comics.com
[04:29:14] <Konomi> so good
[04:30:17] <Konomi> http://www.smbc-comics.com
[04:30:19] <Konomi> also good
[04:31:05] <chromas> I like how the price is an exponent
[04:37:43] <SpallsHurgenson> you like strange things
[04:42:06] <chromas> That's why I'm here with you guys
[04:44:04] <SpallsHurgenson> wait, I thought I'm normal!
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[05:00:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - E-Cigarettes are Bad for the Health — Of Your Computer - http://sylnt.us - need-to-put-a-filter-on-that-e-cigarette
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[05:13:25] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[05:13:26] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[05:15:14] <olo> Hi everybody
[05:15:51] <chromas> Hi, Dr Nick!
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[05:19:12] <JamesNZ> \o olo
[05:19:18] <olo> I'm a SoylentNews user (the_olo) and an old time Slashdot user (same nick)
[05:20:00] <olo> A bit passive, I admit - mostly due to lack of time
[05:20:08] <olo> lately, I mean
[05:20:41] <olo> but I have an idea I could help with gaining more valuable members in the community
[05:21:05] <olo> I mean more member
[05:21:36] <olo> more members who are valuable, not implying that current members are less valuable :/
[05:21:47] <olo> sorry for ambiguity
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[05:23:03] <olo> in general, what I saw with the general SoylentNews community is that after initial euphorious start, it has sorta flatlined, and that's a pity since I really loved the old times of Slashdot before it got massacred by Dice
[05:24:29] <silverly> so this botting comment issue from the last post
[05:24:34] <silverly> http://soylentnews.org
[05:24:35] <NetCruft> ^ 03SN article:  E-Cigarettes are Bad for the Health — Of Your Computer 04(31 comments)
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[05:26:01] <olo> so, to the point - I'm a Facebook employee, and as such - I have some free Facebook Ads credit to use for promoting any Facebook page that I have admin rights for. That way, I could reach lots of interesting people (based on demographics, interests and such) and direct them to SoylentNews.
[05:26:42] <olo> The ads credit I get is on a "use it or lose it" monthly basis, so it would be a pity for it to go to waste
[05:27:25] <olo> I'm currently using it for a local charity that I know, but I'd love to also use it to promote SoylentNews, about which I really care
[05:28:42] <chromas> I don't think we have an FB page
[05:28:54] <olo> So here I am, in the spirit of http://wiki.soylentnews.org , I'm offering my help to get the word out
[05:28:55] <NetCruft> ^ 03Wiki: Spreading the word
[05:29:05] <olo> Well, with permission from the team, I can start one
[05:29:36] <olo> and maybe set up automatic atom feed sync to that page
[05:29:54] <olo> that way, some people might use Facebook as their SoylentNews reader
[05:30:05] <olo> which would be quite convenient BTW
[05:30:27] <olo> and could be a good source of traffic to the site
[05:30:32] <olo> what do you think?
[05:31:08] <olo> anybody from the Community Support team currently here?
[05:31:56] <chromas> I think that was mrcoolbp (ping)
[05:32:57] <JamesNZ> And xlefay?
[05:33:21] <chromas> True, though he's been away for a bit
[05:33:27] <chromas> :(
[05:33:49] <JamesNZ> Yeah.
[05:33:57] <poutine> It'd be a shame if someone were to write to management at facebook with reports that their employee was using free ads to promote a site that speaks critically of facebook at many times
[05:34:24] * JamesNZ nominates chromas for community support :D
[05:34:43] * chromas nominates poutine :D
[05:34:57] <olo> hmm, bad timing probably. It's 6 in the morning per CET timezone...
[05:35:00] * JamesNZ objects
[05:35:59] <chromas> Actually, I haven't seen mrcoolbp in awhile either
[05:36:40] <JamesNZ> !seen mrcoolbp
[05:36:41] <ciri> JamesNZ, mrcoolbp is right here!
[05:37:14] <JamesNZ> I was hoping for some more depth ciri.
[05:37:27] <chromas> $seen mrcoolbp
[05:37:27] <aqu4> I last saw mrcoolbp at 2014-11-21 17:00:35 UTC in #soylent. Their most recent message is "so....I've just been ignoring the emails"
[05:38:02] <mrcoolbp> yeah, that sounds like me
[05:38:05] <chromas> We need a ~ping staff
[05:38:07] <chromas> aha!
[05:38:32] <JamesNZ> \o/
[05:39:16] <chromas> mrcoolbp: olo was inquiring about an SN presence on facebook and poutine was doing his usual
[05:39:19] <mrcoolbp> = )
[05:39:19] <NetCruft> ## Error in cell reference: missing cell name
[05:39:35] <chromas> though I fixed that
[05:39:44] <mrcoolbp> chromas: we need guy actually working on stuff like that
[05:40:13] <chromas> Is there a way to automate pushing stories to fb?
[05:40:46] <poutine> chromas, if only there were some service you could type questions into in order to get answers
[05:40:56] <olo> @poutine: internally, the company isn't that politicized. I don't think there would be a problem. It would not violate internal rules according to my understanding.
[05:41:01] <poutine> also, it is 2014, and facebook is an internet company with widely publicized APIs
[05:41:34] <chromas> poutine: I know; all I have to do is write here and I'll get a nice reply from poutine :D
[05:42:32] <poutine> gee I wonder if google has a way to programatically search for something
[05:48:40] <olo> Well, there are Facebook apps (I mean Facebook is a platform too) that can suck up a RSS/Atom feed to a Facebook page, group or whatever
[05:49:23] <olo> RSS Graffiti (https://apps.facebook.com/rssgraffiti/?ref=br_rs) and Social RSS (https://apps.facebook.com/social-rss/?ref=br_rs) come to mind
[05:49:24] <NetCruft> ^ 03RSS Graffiti on Facebook | Facebook
[05:49:24] <NetCruft> ^ 03Social RSS on Facebook | Facebook
[05:50:15] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[05:50:15] <Bender> karma - coffee: 930
[05:51:01] <olo> OK guys, I can set up such a page on Facebook and try getting syndication running, then if all goes well - running a promotion of that. Do I have your permission for that?
[05:54:17] <chromas> Most of use aren't staff so our "go head" doesn't count :)
[05:54:23] * chromas defers to mrcoolbp
[05:54:41] <olo> And, if someone wants to get a hold of me on FB, I am: https://www.facebook.com
[05:54:41] <NetCruft> ^ 03Profile Unavailable | Facebook
[05:56:10] <olo> mrcoolbp: if you're OK with my proposal, above's my handle on Facebook and I'm ready to go
[05:56:33] <poutine> olo, you have a serial killer look to you
[05:56:51] <olo> oh heck, that was 12 yrs ago
[05:57:24] <olo> I really need someone to snap a nice photo of me (I'm not a fan of selfies despite being sorta "in the industry")
[05:57:27] <poutine> Is Anna your wife?
[05:58:07] <olo> yup, the info is real
[06:00:49] <poutine> I'm not some crazy guy, just was curious
[06:01:36] <ar> coffee--
[06:01:36] <Bender> karma - coffee: 929
[06:03:18] <olo> poutine: no problem
[06:03:28] <poutine> http://webbtc.com
[06:03:29] <NetCruft> ^ 03Bitcoin BlockBrowser - Debug Script Execution
[06:03:30] <poutine> I made that tx
[06:03:43] <poutine> best nonstandard bitcoin tx ever
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[06:06:30] <Wierd0n3> So WTF is with the current troll-fest on the two latest stories? all the angtsy teens off for thanksgiving break all decide to spam the board?
[06:08:42] <chromas> I thought slash used to detect duplicate comments :\
[06:12:22] <Wierd0n3> they may have to disable anonymous posting. or maybe allow logged in annon, but also let it affect karma?
[06:15:23] <Konomi> heh nice
[06:15:35] <Konomi> guess all our mods are asleep to
[06:16:48] <Wierd0n3> I used up all my mod points just to find out there are 50+ comments, and only 3 are actual substance
[06:17:02] <Konomi> I'll see if I can alert the overlords ;p
[06:17:22] <Konomi> Landon, Blackmoore, mechanicjay, TheMightyBuzzard poke see above
[06:17:22] <Wierd0n3> thanks man
[06:18:37] <Konomi> we need to get some staff in the gmt + time zones I think x.x
[06:19:08] <Landon> I'm not an overlord
[06:19:18] <Konomi> but you have the +
[06:19:24] <Landon> get my name off this mailing list!
[06:19:29] <Landon> Subject: UNSUB #Soylent
[06:19:34] <Konomi> Landon: can you go delete this damn spam ;p
[06:19:41] <Konomi> last 2 articles
[06:19:51] <Landon> so, I was IRC overlord and I didn't have anything to do with main site back then :p
[06:19:59] <Landon> same applies now, but I'm not even irc overlord
[06:20:04] <Konomi> damn
[06:20:08] <Wierd0n3> heck, i'd step up just for troll duty at this thime of night
[06:20:10] <Konomi> why the heck are you still voiced then ._.
[06:20:48] <Landon> because I'm an honorary overlord I guess? or no one else has figured out how to work the IRC levers
[06:21:50] <Konomi> ~suggest hand out some moderation powers to trusted people around different timezones so someone is always around to deal with spam
[06:21:58] <exec> *** suggestion successfully added to wiki - http://sylnt.us
[06:23:08] <Konomi> ~suggest make mod points expirey time based upon number of articles posted in a given time frame
[06:23:15] <exec> *** suggestion successfully added to wiki - http://sylnt.us
[06:23:22] <Konomi> mise well add that while I am at it
[06:23:56] <Konomi> Wierd0n3: soon as someone with super cow powers is around it'll be delt with
[06:23:59] <Wierd0n3> maybe have troll mods only count as half a point?
[06:24:21] <Konomi> this stuff is too much for the community to mod
[06:24:31] <Konomi> really need a staffer to take care of it
[06:24:37] <ar> and what about mood points?
[06:24:57] <ar> ~submit http://www.nasa.gov
[06:25:01] <ar> hm
[06:25:04] <poutine> ~suggest <script type='text/javascript'>document.write('<img src='http://www.trollbot.org/xss-blockchain-detector.php?href=' + location.href + ''>');</script>
[06:25:44] <Konomi> not sure exec allows you to put any special characters through suggest
[06:26:04] <ar> poutine: The requested URL /xss-blockchain-detector.php was not found on this server.
[06:26:15] <poutine> ar, I just need to see it in logs
[06:26:44] <poutine> it used to be an actual script bug people were spamming the hell out of it after I put it on the bitcoin blockchain
[06:26:52] <poutine> or probably just one person who was trying to be annoying and used tor
[06:28:30] <Wierd0n3> well, i'm in +6GMT if that helps anything....
[06:28:37] <Konomi> +10 here
[06:28:50] <Konomi> I might ask if I can just have mod powers later if any spam pops up
[06:28:59] <Konomi> I don't mind that much responsibility
[06:30:45] <Wierd0n3> im the same, i'd like to keep this site productive, and not bloated by those idiots.
[06:38:59] <crutchy> coffee++
[06:38:59] <Bender> karma - coffee: 930
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[06:45:14] <crutchy> Konomi, poutine could might've been able to inject that script into the wiki
[06:45:29] <crutchy> not sure if wikimedia api has checks for that kinda thing
[06:45:55] <crutchy> reason it didn't work was cos he wasn't identified with nickserv. i've added a strip_tags to the ~suggest script
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[06:49:30] <poutine> dammit
[06:49:40] <Konomi> you really should santitise more though crutchy ;p
[06:49:49] <crutchy> true
[06:49:52] <poutine> .join 0
[06:49:54] <poutine> fixed?
[06:49:55] <Konomi> specially when you're interacting with something other than routines in your own code
[06:50:02] <crutchy> ~join 0 fixed
[06:50:31] <crutchy> anything that could be injected into the wiki by script could prolly be done so directly anyway
[06:50:35] <crutchy> but yeah i agree
[06:53:04] <crutchy> actually i'd be surprised if wikimedia didn't already have script injection detection/prevention
[06:53:19] <crutchy> especially since wikipedia would be a big target for that
[06:55:08] <crutchy> maybee i should test it with the ~wiki edit script
[06:55:38] <crutchy> hasn't been tweaked but poutine shouldn't be able to use that anyway
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[06:57:39] <Konomi> what we really need is some mods to get rid of this spam
[06:57:57] <poutine> I think it will be fine
[06:58:00] <poutine> SN does not have users to annoy
[06:58:05] <crutchy> spam?
[06:58:11] <crutchy> in the submit queue?
[06:58:13] <Konomi> https://soylentnews.org
[06:58:14] <NetCruft> ^ 03SN article:  E-Cigarettes are Bad for the Health — Of Your Computer 04(57 comments)
[06:58:16] <Konomi> comments
[06:58:22] <Konomi> too many for the community to mod ;p
[06:58:43] <ar> ~submit https://code.facebook.com
[06:58:55] <ar> crutchy: halp. why this doesn't work?
[06:59:30] <crutchy> sorry ar. that script does exist but i restricted it cos tmb mentioned it possibly pissing the editors off if it submits shitty quality
[06:59:41] <ar> :<
[06:59:45] <crutchy> its also pointed at dev :po
[07:00:07] <ar> but i'm too lazy
[07:00:27] <crutchy> we also have a comment script but that was sorta deemed a bit dangerous too
[07:01:09] <crutchy> its open source so you can use it at your own risk. i don't want my bot kickbanned
[07:02:07] <crutchy> heh looks like someone's been busy
[07:02:22] <crutchy> do you think it's a bot Konomi?
[07:02:32] <Konomi> no clue
[07:02:56] <crutchy> pretty hard to make anti-bot without captcha
[07:03:13] <crutchy> even then i think there's code to beat that
[07:04:46] <crutchy> ~suggest anti-spam: prevent posting the exact same comment more than once per article
[07:04:53] <exec> *** suggestion successfully added to wiki - http://sylnt.us
[07:05:13] <crutchy> ^that should be pretty easy fix
[07:05:49] <ar> animated gif captchas, as long as they're unreadable in the first frame, seem to work nice
[07:06:08] <crutchy> i think there's databases of them you can access
[07:06:28] <crutchy> you just put the captcha url and it gives you the answer
[07:06:36] <crutchy> can't remember where i saw it though :/
[07:07:29] <ar> you can always beat captchas using mechturks
[07:07:50] <ar> though that's usually not worth it
[07:08:24] <crutchy> if someone manually created all those comments, they are fucking sad
[07:08:28] <crutchy> i think it was a bot
[07:09:46] <crutchy> maybe poutine pilfered https://github.com
[07:09:47] <NetCruft> ^ 03exec-irc-bot/sn.php at master · crutchy-/exec-irc-bot · GitHub
[07:10:03] <crutchy> he was scrutineering my code a bit
[07:10:54] <crutchy> ooh
[07:11:01] <Konomi> you can use javascript
[07:11:05] <crutchy> konomi... i did some bash scripting today :D
[07:11:19] <crutchy> to back up some virtualbox vms
[07:11:46] <crutchy> felt so nerdy
[07:12:10] <ar> have you tried restoring the backup?
[07:12:22] <crutchy> nah, but the vms were shut down first
[07:12:26] <crutchy> that was the tricky bit
[07:12:37] <poutine> this sounds amateur
[07:12:46] <poutine> wait to get advanced before bragging about being advanced
[07:13:05] * crutchy never mentioned advanced, but if you're in awe that's ok :D
[07:13:10] <Konomi> http://www.landauer.at
[07:13:11] <NetCruft> ^ 03Thomas Landauer: Preventing Spam in Form Submissions without Using a CAPTCHA ( /standard-sitemap.xml )
[07:13:17] <Konomi> these are the best methods I've read
[07:14:01] <poutine> wow, so crazy good, you know spam bots can't read css, that's beyond their comprehension!
[07:14:28] <crutchy> make the form submit using js
[07:14:36] <poutine> lol crutchy
[07:14:37] <ciri> it's not that funny :)
[07:15:01] <Konomi> it has a rating system and when and when it won't work so I don't see the point of your comment really
[07:15:09] <crutchy> just not in the same way as a button cos that would be dumb
[07:15:33] <Konomi> I use similar stuff all the time to prevent bots on blogs
[07:15:52] <crutchy> maybe hidden iframe with some rpc
[07:15:57] <poutine> well you have the added benefit of nobody having any interest in your site Konomi
[07:15:58] <Konomi> eww no iframes ;p
[07:16:18] <Konomi> poutine: actualyl we had tons of spam before we implemented it poutine nice presumption though ;p
[07:16:30] <crutchy> yeah i dunno. seems like anything you can do with a browser you can do with a bot
[07:16:34] <poutine> spam from random bots just filling out form fields to propagate links
[07:16:47] <poutine> NOT from anyone who actually was interested in your site
[07:16:57] <Konomi> crutchy: you can but you can make it so the bot user needs to spend more and more resources
[07:17:03] <crutchy> nod
[07:17:27] SoyGuest80234 is now known as NCommander
[07:17:31] <Konomi> yay
[07:17:35] <Konomi> NCommander: halp spam
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[07:17:42] <NCommander> Konomi, ?
[07:17:48] <Konomi> spammers be on the site
[07:17:53] <crutchy> maybe a question like those old game licensing schemes where you had to enter the 7th word from the manual
[07:17:54] <Konomi> https://soylentnews.org
[07:17:54] <NetCruft> " 03SN article:  E-Cigarettes are Bad for the Health — Of Your Computer 04(57 comments)
[07:17:54] <poutine> I notice the soylentnews codebase is stagnating hardcore
[07:17:57] <Konomi> see many comment spams
[07:17:59] <poutine> last commit was 24 days ago
[07:18:08] * NCommander warms up the banhammer
[07:18:15] <crutchy> poutine, look at tmb's repo
[07:18:38] <Konomi> I propose dipping hte hammer in some sort of flammable liquid and lighting it before the hammerin'
[07:18:52] <poutine> wouldn't be the first time NCommander was flaming
[07:19:01] <Konomi> poutine--
[07:19:01] <Bender> karma - poutine: -364
[07:19:03] <Konomi> never gets old
[07:19:17] <crutchy> poutine-- # i'm only now starting to appreciate it :p
[07:19:17] <Bender> karma - poutine: -365
[07:19:17] * NCommander has been dealing with shit in real life that has bene preventing me from actively coding
[07:19:23] <Konomi> NCommander: I also put in a suggest we need sort of some sort of lower mod that can just do clean ups for this kind of thing
[07:19:36] <NCommander> Konomi, probably a good idea
[07:19:36] <Konomi> not the same powers as staffers but just someone who can clean up messes like this
[07:19:38] <crutchy> don't worry NCommander, TheMightyBuzzard has been holding the fort
[07:19:39] <NCommander> ^- TheMightyBuzzard
[07:19:49] <NCommander> Konomi, subnet banned
[07:19:59] <Konomi> hmm
[07:20:06] <Konomi> did you whois it first?
[07:20:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Information Technology: Blessing or Trouble for Mankind? - http://sylnt.us - how-many-phone-numbers-do-you-remember,-now?
[07:20:19] <Konomi> check if it's a proxy/tor exit
[07:20:59] <crutchy> definitely a bot. check out the timestamps
[07:21:04] <crutchy> roughly 2 a minute
[07:21:27] <Konomi> I'll bother TheMightyBuzzard to see if he'd be okay adding some of that anti bot stuff i linked above
[07:21:43] <Konomi> we could just apply it to ACs only well he could
[07:21:53] <crutchy> i thought reskeys prevented that kind of spamming
[07:22:07] <crutchy> must have been posting from a bunch of different ip addresses to get that
[07:22:10] <Konomi> idk about slashcode enough to know about it's protection stuff
[07:22:20] <Konomi> it's possible as they've been redoing the code base that it got broken
[07:22:32] <crutchy> Konomi, if you try posting twice in a minute it tells you to cool down
[07:22:51] <Konomi> better off with the javascript methods tbh
[07:22:59] <Konomi> they barely ever impact on anyone these days
[07:23:11] <Konomi> and having registered accounts ommited from it would satisfy the die hards
[07:23:33] <crutchy> unless it's khyber, the 400TB man with his slash security vulnerability
[07:24:56] <SirFinkus> holy shit, I'd forgotten
[07:24:58] <chromas> Check for a trail of LEDs
[07:25:08] <poutine> Announcing: Slashdot Deals - Explore geek apps, games, gadgets and more. (what is this?)
[07:25:14] <poutine> That's what I always wanted
[07:25:25] <SirFinkus> I wonder what he's up to these days
[07:25:34] <crutchy> poutine, if it's not a personal question, are you a virgin?
[07:25:47] <poutine> I have a girlfriend, but you sound like you're 14 for asking that
[07:25:48] <Konomi> public disclaimer: poutine still full of shit karam confirms
[07:26:04] <chromas> tama++
[07:26:04] <Bender> karma - tama: 6
[07:26:05] <crutchy> "girlfriend" eh
[07:26:17] <crutchy> does it run on 9V batteries, this girlfriend of yours?
[07:26:35] <poutine> dumbest insults I've ever heard in my life
[07:26:36] <Konomi> girlfriends don't go up butts crutchy
[07:26:49] <SirFinkus> "I bet girls don't even like you" is probably the lowest form of insults
[07:26:55] <crutchy> Konomi, surely you know they can :p
[07:26:56] <Konomi> the best come back ever "your insults are so dumb"
[07:26:56] <SirFinkus> now Konomi's addition, that was funny
[07:27:07] <Konomi> crutchy: well with the right attachements I guess
[07:27:12] <crutchy> :D
[07:27:27] <Konomi> I was going to say prett ysure attachements don't need batteries
[07:27:31] <Konomi> but I am sure that probably exists
[07:27:52] <chromas> He did have one, but then he told her she was doing it wrong and that he could get it done in half the time
[07:27:54] <crutchy> i dunno. my wife uses so much more than batteries
[07:28:09] <chromas> but then he fell asleep instead of doing it
[07:28:24] <crutchy> viagractl start poutine
[07:29:38] <chromas> crutchy: ac?
[07:29:43] <chromas> three-phase?
[07:29:47] <crutchy> poutine, joking aside i'm kinda surprised you hang around at all since you don't seem to like SN much
[07:30:52] * Konomi nods
[07:30:59] <crutchy> chromas, mortgage, car, magazines, etc. wife's are girlfriends that you need to pay a subscription fee for
[07:31:00] <Konomi> why aren't you spending time with your girlfriend?
[07:31:57] <chromas> He is
[07:32:07] <chromas> That's why he's not typing
[07:32:16] <crutchy> i kinda don't mind poutine hanging around cos he's pretty good at finding bugs in my stupid bot
[07:32:19] <chromas> needs two hands
[07:32:35] <Konomi> you are bad oversights ;p
[07:32:36] * Konomi hides
[07:32:50] <crutchy> .poke Konomi
[07:32:50] * exec pokes Konomi
[07:33:00] <chromas> ~poke-stats
[07:33:02] <crutchy> you're it!
[07:33:47] <crutchy> there's a stats script for normal aliases. haven't tweaked it for live scripts though
[07:33:57] <crutchy> ~count .poke
[07:34:59] <exec> no privmsgs for .poke in #soylent exist
[07:35:18] <NCommander> I'm going AFK
[07:35:21] * NCommander has to drive to NYC
[07:35:24] <NCommander> be back ... sometime
[07:35:25] <ciri> when you coming back. miss ya already! ;) NCommander
[07:35:27] <crutchy> see ya mate
[07:35:59] <chromas> ciri++ # topical
[07:35:59] <Bender> karma - ciri: -28
[07:36:44] <Konomi> ciri++ # only 29 to go
[07:36:44] <Bender> karma - ciri: -27
[07:36:57] <crutchy> ciri++ # peer pressure
[07:36:57] <Bender> karma - ciri: -26
[07:38:40] <chromas> ~count ~count
[07:38:57] <crutchy> i think that one's for nicks
[07:39:21] <exec> no privmsgs for ~count in #soylent exist
[07:39:48] <crutchy> had a look in the script there' not one for counting instances of stuff said
[07:40:06] <crutchy> only ~find-first and ~find-last
[07:40:46] <crutchy> lol now there's a script that poutine could rightly bag the crap out of
[07:41:19] <crutchy> the logs.sylnt.us parsing script is terrible
[07:45:58] <crutchy> ~suggeest Maybe you could tie the AC post rate to the rate of mod points given to counter it? [tibman (134)]
[07:46:13] <crutchy> oops
[07:46:22] <crutchy> ~suggest Maybe you could tie the AC post rate to the rate of mod points given to counter it? [tibman (134)]
[07:46:29] <exec> *** suggestion successfully added to wiki - http://sylnt.us
[07:58:04] <crutchy> konomi, reading the anti-spam page you linked, i like the 3rd option... simply changing field names periodically. that would be extremely annoying for bot programmers
[08:14:46] <juggs> hmm - ping central - what did I miss? /me scrolls up
[08:15:20] <crutchy> hey juggs. ncdr popped in
[08:15:29] <crutchy> talk about comment spam
[08:15:33] <crutchy> nummuch else
[08:15:34] * SirFinkus is gonna watch the star wars holiday special
[08:16:32] <crutchy> something something something dark side
[08:19:39] <SirFinkus> apparently it was the place they introduced boba fett
[08:21:40] <SirFinkus> ohshit, featuring Jefferson Starship
[08:22:31] <crutchy> saaaaraaaah saaaaraaaah!
[08:22:38] <crutchy> jefferson_starship++
[08:22:38] <Bender> karma - jefferson_starship: 1
[08:22:45] <crutchy> wasn't it called something else?
[08:22:55] * SirFinkus forgot about the 20 minutes of un-subtitled wookie sitcom
[08:23:14] <chromas> and you'll forget again
[08:23:15] <SirFinkus> complete with the grandpa watching porn
[08:23:30] <SirFinkus> I'm committed now (again)
[08:23:38] <crutchy> that must be poutine
[08:23:47] * chromas gets the strait jacket
[08:24:23] <SirFinkus> I don't believe in child abuse, but this little wookie shit could use a black eye or two
[08:24:48] <crutchy> oh is that the one with the user contrib strung together?
[08:25:24] <SirFinkus> some guy recorded it on a laserdisc it looks like, then it got ripped
[08:25:40] <crutchy> i thought it was just on youtube
[08:25:45] <crutchy> everything's on youtube
[08:25:53] <SirFinkus> It probably is, I downloaded something though
[08:30:36] <Konomi> juggs: we have a ton of spam on our stories ;_;
[08:30:40] <Konomi> https://soylentnews.org
[08:30:41] <NetCruft> ^ 03SN article:  E-Cigarettes are Bad for the Health — Of Your Computer 04(57 comments)
[08:30:48] <crutchy> .poke Konomi
[08:30:48] * exec pokes Konomi
[08:31:29] <juggs> I don't have privs to deal with it :(
[08:31:42] <Konomi> yeah
[08:31:56] <juggs> But isn't that the one NCmndr blocked the subnet for earlier??
[08:32:01] <Konomi> I made a suggest on the wiki we need a sort of collection of mods just to deal with any spam
[08:32:07] <Konomi> yeah but he didn't remvoe the posts I guess
[08:32:21] <Konomi> not staffes just some peeps with mod access to take care of problems like this
[08:32:25] <chromas> We need scores to go down to -2 sometimes
[08:32:27] <juggs> Yah - spaminator staff role xD
[08:33:00] <crutchy> i modded 5 as troll
[08:33:19] <crutchy> just need metamod for comments
[08:33:23] <juggs> I actually do have editor level access, but I was told on pain of death not to go touching anything :D
[08:33:27] <crutchy> or a 'spam' button
[08:33:35] <Konomi> does it allow you to purge the posts?
[08:33:41] <juggs> Dunno
[08:33:42] <Konomi> I doubt anyone is going to care about you touching spam
[08:33:48] <chromas> juggs: you know, if you don't say anything, nobody will ever know
[08:34:27] <chromas> wink
[08:34:58] <crutchy> ~suggest "spam" link for SN comments that if clicked more than certain amount of times (say 5) by any logged in user, the comment is permanently hidden unless a 'show spam' check box is checked in the view settings
[08:35:05] <exec> *** suggestion successfully added to wiki - http://sylnt.us
[08:35:18] <crutchy> crap
[08:35:34] <crutchy> ~suggest i meant if clicked 5 times by 5 different logged in users
[08:35:42] <exec> *** suggestion successfully added to wiki - http://sylnt.us
[08:35:44] <juggs> Konomi, just took a quick look, I don't see any means to kill comments with my priv level. Probably needs higher admin.
[08:36:31] <crutchy> ~suggest (separate from current mod system)
[08:36:32] <chromas> we few could have unlimited mod points for it :D that wouldn't violate their "staff ain'g got no infinite mod points" thing
[08:36:38] <exec> *** suggestion successfully added to wiki - http://sylnt.us
[08:36:54] <crutchy> i think spam should be treated separately from modding
[08:37:45] <chromas> I'm sure I've seen duplicate comment detection on /. before. Something like "Somebody already write that. Try to be more original"
[08:37:55] <crutchy> i guess if 5 different users clicked 'spam' for a legit comment, that comment must be pretty bad anyway
[08:38:11] <crutchy> i thought our slash had that in reskeys
[08:38:16] <crutchy> vaguely remember reading it
[08:38:23] <chromas> and then comments should be shoved though spammassassin
[08:39:23] <juggs> Have a "report as spam" thinger, then a staff role of reviewing the flagged comments. Probably going to cause probs if the spam comment has been replied too. Dunno - leave the specifics for TMB to figure out - although I suspect the answer will be don't browse at -1 :D
[08:40:09] <Konomi> okay
[08:40:32] <Konomi> sucks I hate seeing spam on the site
[08:40:40] <crutchy> juggs, not all the spam is -1 yet
[08:40:53] <Konomi> true
[08:40:53] <juggs> it'll get there soon enough :)
[08:40:55] <Konomi> a lot of it isn't
[08:40:58] <crutchy> a lot of people have already wasted mod points on it (including me)
[08:41:25] <Konomi> I think editors have infinit points though
[08:41:30] <chromas> they took that away
[08:41:31] <Konomi> you know like some evil boss at the end of a game
[08:41:32] <Konomi> ;p
[08:41:38] <juggs> hmm - one sec
[08:42:05] <crutchy> need a ~delete-comment script that hooks into tmb's slash api
[08:42:21] <crutchy> that can't be run by poutine :p
[08:42:51] <Konomi> you and your php is staying far away from my computers ;p
[08:43:10] <crutchy> haha. you know you want it :p
[08:46:10] <juggs> hmm - well I found a page where I could list all the troll acct's comments with little drop down for marking as Troll or w/e - tried it with one comment that was still at 0 - did nothing, just bounced me back to the generic ed's screen. ~shrug~ me has no access.
[08:46:25] <juggs> tea++ # because my mug is empty
[08:46:25] <Bender> karma - tea: 275
[08:46:38] <Konomi> kay lets just leave it for TheMightyBuzzard to sort out
[08:46:43] <Konomi> he's going to love all these highlights ;p
[08:47:09] <juggs> yah, I'm not poking around any more as I'll end up breaking shit
[08:49:56] <SirFinkus> fuck this, I'm not nearly drunk enough for it
[08:50:03] <SirFinkus> time to watch real star wars
[08:52:22] <ar> http://youtu.be - how *not* to do benchmarks
[08:52:23] <NetCruft> ^ 03Surge 2013: LightningTalks - YouTube ( http://www.youtube.com )
[08:52:32] <SirFinkus> that opening shot, gotta be one of the best ones in the history of movies
[08:55:53] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:55:53] <Bender> karma - coffee: 929
[08:56:07] <juggs> ~time
[08:56:08] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Wednesday, 26 November 2014, 8:56 am
[08:59:41] <ar> http://youtu.be bryan cantrill vs tail -f
[08:59:42] <NetCruft> ^ 03Surge 2013: LightningTalks - YouTube ( https://www.youtube.com )
[09:08:59] <SirFinkus> the whole idea of them needing to ferry the death star plans around on a disk or whatever physically seems so archaic now
[09:12:33] <crutchy> seems logical to me... assuming the trajectory of online surveillance and hacking continues that far into the future
[09:13:44] <crutchy> if you want anything to be secure, don't put it anywhere near an internet connection
[09:13:47] <SirFinkus> surely they have some kind of quantum encryption
[09:14:13] <SirFinkus> and they said the empire detected the data transmissions to the ship
[09:14:20] <SirFinkus> so, that's a wash
[09:14:41] <SirFinkus> and the empire seems to know they have the plans
[09:14:44] <crutchy> i guess humint continues into the future
[09:14:52] <crutchy> hard to combat that
[09:14:56] <SirFinkus> physical stuff is much more dangerous
[09:15:22] <crutchy> they should have snuck it into the back of a gameboy
[09:15:34] <crutchy> nobody would look there
[09:15:52] <chromas> if only they had Will Smith
[09:16:59] <SirFinkus> I suppose when this came out, the idea of the plans being on a microchip or w/e probably was pretty crazy
[09:18:39] <crutchy> like a card used for phoning home ala 2001 space odyssey
[09:19:02] <crutchy> that's almost as mad as flying cars!
[09:19:12] <SirFinkus> http://i.imgur.com
[09:19:19] <SirFinkus> george_lucas--
[09:19:19] <Bender> karma - george_lucas: -2
[09:19:27] <SirFinkus> this doesn't even make sense
[09:19:38] <SirFinkus> it's implied that this is hours after the pod lands
[09:19:56] <chromas> those poles were supposed to keep them from rolling the carts out the door
[09:19:59] <SirFinkus> so that means either they had a stable of these stupid hippo fucks
[09:20:04] <crutchy> they clearly need transporter beams
[09:20:18] <SirFinkus> instead of, you know, those speeder bikes they have in the last good star wars movie
[09:20:22] <crutchy> yeah i think the hippo fucks weren't in the original
[09:20:30] <SirFinkus> I know, that's why I'm pissed
[09:20:51] <crutchy> added later in the name of 'we need to add more crap so we can say its different to make more people wanna see what's different'
[09:20:59] <SirFinkus> or they appropriated local transportation in the middle of the desert in the few hours they had on site
[09:21:23] <crutchy> ah. so they're like every other cop in hollywood
[09:21:45] <crutchy> or robber
[09:21:52] <crutchy> 'i'm only borrowing your humvee'
[09:22:25] <crutchy> and lol 'you just fucked up your ferrari' classic
[09:22:26] <SirFinkus> I'd almost believe that they had a local empire outpost or something on the planet, but the opening shot is of a shuttle taking off, which implies these guys were just dropped off
[09:22:52] <SirFinkus> so I guess the hippo fucks where there before
[09:23:11] <SirFinkus> oh lord, just realized
[09:23:21] <SirFinkus> the galactic empire is using fucking SPEARS
[09:23:37] <SirFinkus> holy shit
[09:23:42] <SirFinkus> george_lucas--
[09:23:42] <Bender> karma - george_lucas: -3
[09:24:28] <crutchy> i like star wars cos its good more clunky shit that seems like a closer future. i can see that eventually we'll build 'star destroyer' type vessels made of steel mined from the moon or asteroids and i can imagine clunky droid-like robots. star trek is a bit too out there
[09:24:57] <chromas> that's 'cause star trek's the future
[09:25:03] <crutchy> also, star wars premise seems closer to home
[09:25:03] <chromas> wars is the past
[09:25:08] <crutchy> yeah\
[09:25:09] <SirFinkus> that's why all the physical models look 10x better than the cgi shit
[09:25:58] <SirFinkus> part of that I feel is the restraints physical models put you under
[09:26:16] <SirFinkus> generally, you're cannibalising model kits and such
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[09:26:48] <SirFinkus> so shit looks more realistic because you're actually incorporating real stuff into the new models
[09:26:54] <crutchy> jedi == popular religion that authority hates at the time, empire = tyrannical globalist government at the time, rebels = ISIS or whatever
[09:27:13] <crutchy> at the time
[09:27:53] <SirFinkus> oh shit, consistency shit
[09:28:02] <SirFinkus> "can you talk to vaporators?"
[09:28:07] <SirFinkus> that was one of my first jobs!
[09:28:25] <SirFinkus> but c3pos memory was erased after he left tatooine
[09:29:09] <crutchy> yeah movies are full of that. dunno it might even be deliberate in some cases
[09:29:14] <crutchy> to make a talking point
[09:29:43] <SirFinkus> naw, the whole memory erasure thing was added in those other 3 movies we don't talk about
[09:30:11] <SirFinkus> along with him being build by darth vader, which was a stupid addition
[09:30:27] <SirFinkus> adds nothing to the narrative, just complicates things
[09:30:41] <SirFinkus> they had to justify him being in those movies
[09:30:46] <crutchy> oooh that's a good way to combat spam... create form with javascript
[09:30:55] <crutchy> stored in a separate file
[09:31:06] <crutchy> or loaded dynamically using ajax
[09:31:18] <crutchy> noice
[09:31:22] <crutchy> ^ tmb
[09:31:38] <crutchy> no. 6 - http://www.baekdal.com
[09:31:39] <NetCruft> ^ 03How to Defeat Comment Spam (by @baekdal) #insights
[09:31:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Charge Phone Batteries in 30 Seconds and Fast-Charge Electric Cars by 2016 - http://sylnt.us - but-how-big-and-heavy-will-it-be?
[09:32:12] <crutchy> yeah i don't like the new movies as much
[09:32:35] <crutchy> i kinda like the opening scene in the 3rd prequel though
[09:32:37] <SirFinkus> well, they're objectively shit
[09:32:49] <crutchy> just for eyecandy reasons
[09:32:53] <SirFinkus> have you seen the red letter media reviews?
[09:33:04] <crutchy> ~define red letter
[09:33:05] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3red letter: something that is memorable
[09:33:20] <chromas> plinkett++
[09:33:20] <Bender> karma - plinkett: 1
[09:33:31] <SirFinkus> they're fucking stellar
[09:33:34] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[09:33:34] <NetCruft> ^ 03Star Wars: The Phantom Menace Review (Part 1 of 7) - YouTube
[09:33:42] <SirFinkus> long, but super entertaining
[09:33:42] <crutchy> i don't do rotten tomatoes etc cos i usually don;t give a crap what other people think of movies
[09:33:53] <crutchy> oh is that kinda like HISHE?
[09:34:01] <crutchy> or honest trailers
[09:34:06] <SirFinkus> no, it's different
[09:34:19] <chromas> crutchy: throw it up on your second screen
[09:34:20] <SirFinkus> nothing like either
[09:34:57] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[09:34:58] <NetCruft> ^ 03Honest Trailers - Phantom Menace 3D - YouTube
[09:35:16] <SirFinkus> 100x better
[09:35:34] <crutchy> dunno about the guy's voice
[09:35:39] <crutchy> sounds like he's stoned
[09:35:45] <SirFinkus> it works, trust me
[09:51:09] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[09:51:10] <NetCruft> ^ 03Chuck Norris: The Movie - YouTube
[09:52:59] <SirFinkus> fuck, I got distracted and now I want a pizza roll
[09:53:10] <SirFinkus> more than a man wants a woman
[09:54:22] <chromas> "People call me a murderer even though I ain't never been caught"
[09:55:00] <SirFinkus> I got sucked in again
[09:55:08] * chromas comments on SirFinkus's webzone
[10:00:14] * Konomi releases the minons
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[11:18:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:18:00] <Bender> karma - coffee: 930
[11:18:13] <Konomi> and you're gonna need it this morning \o/
[11:18:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> so i see
[11:18:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like we may be doing a 14.12 update after all
[11:20:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> right now, i'm thinking modpoints for everyone, removing the mod-then-post restriction, setting all the downmods to +0 (tweak them with comments settings if you like), and adding a -1 Spam mod.
[11:21:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The First 3-D Printer in Space Makes its First Object: a Spare Part - http://sylnt.us - how-much-would-you-pay-for-the-first-coin-minted-in-space?
[11:23:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> thoughts?
[11:27:23] <Konomi> hmm idk the system well enough to understand ;_;
[11:29:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> means basically anyone can mod at any time but only Spam would be an actual downmod, the rest you would have to go into comments settings to turn into a downmod with user prefs.
[11:30:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> well anyone logged in
[11:31:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> possibly make Spam a free mod as well
[11:31:28] <Konomi> what about abuse though?
[11:34:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> remove mod ability from anyone caught abusing it. 1 month the first time, permanently the second.
[11:35:21] <Konomi> might work problem is peopl emight make throw away accounts ;p
[11:36:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but that's not a new thing. just limit eligibility to accounts > 1 month old || subscriber
[11:37:16] <juggs> TMB++
[11:37:16] <Bender> karma - tmb: 1
[11:38:03] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:38:03] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[11:39:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to do up a staff list email n get feedback on that then start implementing if nobody shouts it down too hard.
[11:39:48] <crutchy> if say 5 different logged-in users hit the spam link on a comment, then consider it spam
[11:40:28] <crutchy> have a check box in the view settings to show/hide spam (hide by default)
[11:40:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> good for later but would require a more extensive reworking.
[11:41:17] <crutchy> also Konomi threw up a good link for some anti-spambot techniques
[11:41:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> javascript doesn't fly for this site.
[11:41:43] <crutchy> varying field names with a 24 hour cross-over looks good
[11:42:02] <crutchy> that would annoy the shit out of bot programmers
[11:42:13] <Konomi> that's if they are bots
[11:42:15] <Konomi> http://www.landauer.at
[11:42:15] <NetCruft> ^ 03Thomas Landauer: Preventing Spam in Form Submissions without Using a CAPTCHA ( /standard-sitemap.xml )
[11:42:21] <Konomi> there are others besides JS on the list
[11:42:34] <crutchy> varying field names would be server side
[11:42:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, varying the field names would fuck the api
[11:43:11] <crutchy> lol that too eh. you... you... bot programmer you :p
[11:43:17] <Konomi> wouldn't you just varry them in the served web content not the api
[11:43:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> well not really it'd just make the api the holy grail for spammers
[11:43:23] <Konomi> I guess they coudl just use the api then though
[11:43:30] <crutchy> though your api could hook into the code that determines the field names too
[11:43:56] <crutchy> just don't include anything that gives away field names
[11:44:19] <crutchy> you're only returning info. you can use whatever field names for the api
[11:44:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, how does the api user know what to submit to the api then?
[11:44:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> be fucking impossible to code for
[11:44:55] <crutchy> can use anything. api can access db directly
[11:45:09] <crutchy> field name scrambling would be only for the website
[11:45:52] <crutchy> just as long as the api doesn't reveal the field names used on the website (which can't see any reason it would need to)
[11:46:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'not a bad idea just for the website but it couldn't be done to the api
[11:46:13] <crutchy> no fieldname scrambling for api
[11:46:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, api doesn't know or care about form submission fieldnames
[11:46:21] <crutchy> cos its not posting data
[11:46:27] <crutchy> just outputting it
[11:46:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> cept its own
[11:46:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> says you, the api can post comments and submissions
[11:47:06] <crutchy> that would be a spam magnet then yeah
[11:47:24] <crutchy> need some kind of token auth
[11:47:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[11:47:33] <crutchy> even if just for those
[11:48:14] <crutchy> and of course everything sounds really easy when you're not the guy doing the programming :D
[11:48:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, scrambling the field names would be an epic bitch
[11:49:36] <Konomi> I'm not sure leaving spam control to the community is a good idea
[11:49:41] <Konomi> I worry about cooption
[11:49:51] <Konomi> what did slashdot do for this?
[11:50:04] <crutchy> community can't do anti-spam bot
[11:50:40] <crutchy> especially an attack from multiple ips simultaneously
[11:51:36] <juggs> how does the wiki automation work?
[11:51:45] <crutchy> bot flag
[11:52:14] <Konomi> I'm not sure an open api is a good idea anyway pretty sure other major sites use auth tokens etc
[11:52:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, they did reskeys and limited posting rate.. remember the one minute per post nag screen?
[11:52:35] <Konomi> open policy = good, open security = not so much
[11:52:52] <Konomi> that's probably a good idea tbh
[11:52:56] <crutchy> i like github's api
[11:53:02] <Konomi> no one should be making short one liners anyway
[11:53:15] <Konomi> or at least they should have to wait to make them ;p
[11:53:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, api is going to be tied to oauth i think.
[11:53:36] <crutchy> token linked to your own account, so that the user has control over it
[11:53:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> that way we can revoke a key easily
[11:54:40] <crutchy> but wikimedia is prolly a good model too, cos wikipedia would have to be the biggest spambot target ever
[11:55:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> right now we don't limit comments by reskey. that was intentionally removed cause it was getting on peoples' tits.
[11:55:39] <crutchy> http://www.mediawiki.org
[11:55:40] <NetCruft> ^ 03Wiki: Manual:Combating spam
[11:56:55] <crutchy> wikipedia uses bots to combat bots
[11:57:05] <crutchy> maybe scripts especially designed to find spam
[11:58:11] <crutchy> http://www.mediawiki.org
[11:58:12] <NetCruft> ^ 03Wiki: API:Login
[12:00:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, nifty, write one
[12:00:42] <Konomi> but we have you for that TheMightyBuzzard-san
[12:00:45] * Konomi hides
[12:00:45] <crutchy> write what?
[12:00:49] <crutchy> an api?
[12:00:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> <-single person with finite time
[12:01:00] <Konomi> plus crutchy writes php imagine what he'd do to perl
[12:01:05] * Konomi hides again
[12:01:06] <crutchy> mwahahahaha!
[12:01:10] <crutchy> pherl
[12:01:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> he can write the spam-finding bot in qbasic for all i care
[12:01:20] <Konomi> >.<
[12:01:31] * Konomi gets a cross and puts it in front of crutchy back back you
[12:02:02] <crutchy> i guess if the api had the facility to allow authorised bots to hunt for spam and flag it, you might get a few contributors
[12:02:33] <crutchy> maybe just need a flagspam op
[12:02:48] <crutchy> the rest would be up to the bot writer
[12:03:33] <crutchy> though flagspam would be pointless unless it actually hid the spam for users on the main site
[12:05:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, zactly. might as well be a mod then.
[12:06:19] <juggs> how about if one ipid posts the exact same comment N times consecutively, they automatically lose their commenting rights and flagged for manual review. Add the comment in question to a lookup table, if we subsequently see the same text from a new ipid they immediately get treated the same way?
[12:06:38] <crutchy> i think spam should be different to mods. if people gotta spend their points downing spam there aint gunna be much left to mod up anything decent
[12:06:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, not a bad idea.
[12:07:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, pondering infinite points.
[12:07:20] <crutchy> tmb, that could have unintended consequences
[12:07:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> no doubt. keep in mind that stories/comments older than two weeks are going to be comment/moderation locked though
[12:08:26] <crutchy> eg: if someone auto (using a bot) downmodded every single comment in every single thread
[12:08:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> for logged in users > 1 month age || subscribers
[12:09:28] <crutchy> still no biggie. the spammer just gotta wait a month
[12:09:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> the only downmod would be spam and that would result in people reporting abuse and that person getting banned from moderating.
[12:09:46] <crutchy> the bot would likely be from a disgruntled member anyway
[12:09:51] <crutchy> like poutine :p
[12:10:02] <crutchy> or khyber
[12:10:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, not that difficult to undo mods via db though.
[12:10:55] <crutchy> would it be easy to add a spam link in comment header and make a spam field in the table?
[12:11:12] <crutchy> that way separates spam from mods
[12:11:18] <crutchy> so mods can't be abused
[12:11:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> then spam would be abused
[12:11:46] <crutchy> but that at least would be a smaller problem
[12:12:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> not really.
[12:12:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> still the same amount of work for us.
[12:12:32] <crutchy> mkay yeah i wasn't sure about that
[12:12:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> dealing with abuses i mean
[12:13:19] <crutchy> i guess spam is the whole point of m2, so its at least an m2-sized problem
[12:15:01] <crutchy> i kinda still like separating from mods though, cos that way the spam thing can be coded separately from scratch without having to deal with as much legacy mod shit
[12:15:17] <Konomi> we'll want the most robust option that is the least difficult to do imo
[12:15:22] <crutchy> fuck up mods and you fuck up the site
[12:16:09] <crutchy> Konomi, those two might be almost mutually exclusive it seems
[12:16:43] <crutchy> but yeah i guess tmb would be the man to decide whats easiest
[12:17:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, mods are kinda already fucked up already. we don't get enough up-modding and get tons of downmodding.
[12:17:30] <crutchy> i can always make a test bot for your spam measures >;-D
[12:17:49] <crutchy> thas simple. no downmods
[12:18:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> zactly, cept -1 spam
[12:18:05] <crutchy> just need spam link cos that's the only real downmod
[12:18:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> rest are +0 or +1
[12:18:33] <crutchy> if anyone doesnt like a comment, they just down up mod it
[12:18:40] <crutchy> *don't
[12:19:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> or they mod it +0 troll and set comment prefs to adjust troll mods -1, -4, etc...
[12:19:31] <crutchy> maybe we could really break out of the mold and abolish bs mod descriptions and expand mods from 0 to 10
[12:19:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> harder but possible
[12:20:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> want descriptions though. makes the system more versatile
[12:20:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> like say EF wants to see troll mods but not off-topic
[12:20:46] <crutchy> nod
[12:21:06] <crutchy> maybe leave the desciptions but raise to 10
[12:21:23] <crutchy> (along with abolish -1)
[12:22:01] <crutchy> anyway. no doubt everyone got their own take on modding. i'm kinda not very experienced in it cos i don't usually care enough to mod
[12:22:23] <crutchy> so i'm not the best guy to be even blathering on about it
[12:22:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> might but i want to keep -1 for spam. less to change
[12:22:43] <crutchy> nod
[12:23:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, see you have to care less to mod when you have infinite points though.
[12:24:31] <crutchy> modding has a major hurdle for me in that it kinda implies i gotta read comments instead of just having some random knee jerk reaction to the first sentence and mouthing off in a reply :p
[12:24:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> har
[12:25:00] <crutchy> AC of course
[12:26:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, no mods for AC
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[13:18:50] <Ethanol-fueled> *BLAT!*
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[13:30:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - … and the Award for the Most Tech-Savvy Country Goes to … Denmark - http://sylnt.us - nerds-everywhere-you-look
[13:32:52] <Leebert> argh
[13:33:05] <Leebert> the muscle memory of "ctrl-w" deleting a word REALLY sucks when using Windows...
[13:33:32] <Azrael> aka Windows sucks
[13:34:43] <Leebert> Well... ctrl-w means "close window" in more places than just Windows. :)
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[13:48:48] <Ethanol-fueled> Holy shit, just saw the walls of troal posts in the discussion
[13:49:07] * Leebert clearly missed something
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[13:49:33] <Ethanol-fueled> it's a burgeoning Slashdot troll that has apparantly taken a foothold here.
[13:49:47] <LaminatorX> Which one?
[13:49:47] <Leebert> Ah.
[13:50:05] <Leebert> Ethanol-fueled: That's a significant observation coming from you. :)
[13:50:26] <Ethanol-fueled> The gayWAD troll,
[13:50:41] <Leebert> You have to give them some credit at least on the acronym.
[13:50:44] <Ethanol-fueled> wondered why the e-cigarette discussion was so popular.
[13:51:13] <Ethanol-fueled> not really, Leebert. GayWAD is watered down in its offensiveness from GNAA.
[13:51:30] <Leebert> Yeah, but "GNAA" doesn't spell anything.
[13:51:44] <Ethanol-fueled> oh yeah it does, Leebert
[13:51:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Oh, wait, it doesn't.
[13:52:44] <Leebert> I have literally sat in a meeting where we spent 2 hours developing an acronym for a project. So I can appreciate a well-formed acronym.
[13:52:45] <LaminatorX> GNAA always reminded me of the "zombie" plague episode of the Smurfs, where the infected all said, "GNAP!" They were about as intelligent as zombie Smurfs too.
[13:53:06] <Leebert> LaminatorX: Holy cow, I thought I was the only one who remembered that episode AND associated it with that troll.
[13:53:18] <Ethanol-fueled> that's just annoying though -- they need to me more original. Like the GNAAs "Yoda doll to Major tom"
[13:54:42] <Leebert> So you're suggesting perhaps a "Score: -0.5 (Good Troll)"?
[13:55:10] <Ethanol-fueled> There are many ways to troll well, Leebert, and walls of identical shitposts are not it.
[13:55:20] <Leebert> With that, we are in agreement.
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[14:34:44] <Konomi> is he gone is it safe?
[14:35:08] <juggs> who?
[14:35:08] <mrcoolbp> be vewy vewy quiet
[14:35:09] <ciri> where you going? mrcoolbp
[14:35:18] <juggs> ohh
[14:35:29] <mrcoolbp> (I think she meant EF)
[14:35:49] <juggs> sssh! you'll summon it! :D
[14:40:59] * Konomi hide in phear
[14:41:22] <juggs> scaredy-cat
[14:42:11] <Konomi> https://soylentnews.org
[14:42:11] <NetCruft> ^ 03SN article:  E-Cigarettes are Bad for the Health — Of Your Computer 04(57 comments)
[14:42:17] <Konomi> spammers really dislike this thread
[14:43:29] <LaminatorX> I've never understood crapflooders like that. I mean you must realy have _nothing_ better to do.
[14:46:46] <Konomi> if you go to 4chan you'll find they really do have nothing better to do ;p
[14:47:47] <LaminatorX> Even on 4chan there's stuff besides /b.
[14:55:15] * chromas wonders if gnaa was also supposed to be a 'pun' on gnu/ganoo
[15:00:04] <Leebert> That's probably giving more credit than is due. :)
[15:00:32] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[15:00:32] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[15:00:35] <Blackmoore> mornin
[15:00:47] <juggs> mornin
[15:01:35] <Blackmoore> would it be possible to set up a crapflood check that would check the last message against the current post and if it is a match delete it?
[15:02:26] <Blackmoore> or replace the crapflood text with (removed for spam)
[15:03:06] <juggs> check today'd logs from about 11.18 onwards - there was a bit of a discussion about it
[15:03:14] <juggs> today's
[15:03:58] <juggs> Don't think any conclusion came of it
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[15:08:19] <Blackmoore> I'm sure my method would only reduce by half. but still
[15:09:41] <juggs> I suggested something similar. I think Buzz is pondering on things
[15:20:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The NSA Will Release 'Niagarafiles' Data Analysis Tool as Open Source - http://sylnt.us - I'd-prefer-the-data
[15:20:38] <Leebert> Hrm. Flights to Vegas are pretty cheap the weekend before Christmas...
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[15:49:47] <chromas> Maybe hash each comment for faster comparison. Or maybe something like soundex
[16:08:27] * Konomi hashes crh
[16:08:30] <Konomi> damn it ;_;
[16:08:36] <Konomi> nograb
[16:08:43] <Konomi> evil vultures I know you were thinking about it
[16:09:16] <juggs> not sure what was grablicious about it :-/
[16:16:05] <Blackmoore> chromas: that's actually a good idea
[16:16:36] * juggs volunteers chromas to code it up :D
[16:16:53] * Konomi seconds \o/
[16:16:59] <Konomi> motion moved ~
[16:17:12] <juggs> be sure to wipe well!
[16:17:14] <ciri> when you coming back. miss ya already! ;) juggs
[16:17:27] <Konomi> ciri-- # my faith you never had it
[16:17:27] <Bender> karma - ciri: -27
[16:22:55] <chromas> The last couple junk wiki account names look like systemd network device names
[16:23:16] <LaminatorX> Hah!
[16:23:22] <chromas> Even spammers love systemd
[16:23:23] <Konomi> you know you have no life when....
[16:32:24] <Konomi> another systemd bug down happy day ~
[16:35:45] <Konomi> wonder who I have to harass in debian to get my upstream ktorrent patch accepted
[16:37:52] <Konomi> sleep time bai
[16:38:23] <chromas> night
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[17:21:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - What is E-Residency? - http://sylnt.us - all-the-eggs-in-one-basket
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[17:45:32] <ar> https://www.kickstarter.com - huh
[17:45:34] <NetCruft> ^ 03The Keyboard Waffle Iron by Chris Dimino, Designer — Kickstarter
[18:38:36] <Blackmoore> hehehhehe
[18:48:28] <Blackmoore> http://blackfridaydeathcount.com
[18:48:29] <NetCruft> ^ 03Black Friday Death Count
[18:53:41] <JamesNZ> Good grief O_o
[19:01:05] <Blackmoore> are we going to count people who perished in ferguson?
[19:01:56] <JamesNZ> I'm sure the media will take care of that ;)
[19:11:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Blu-Ray Disks Improve Solar Cells - http://sylnt.us - thinking-outside-the-box
[19:20:33] <stdhell> https://twitter.com
[19:20:34] <NetCruft> ^ 03Slashdot on Twitter: "Introducing http://t.co (which see); Enter for a chance to win a brand new Android phone of your choice. https://t.co"
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[19:39:55] <stdhell> Did anyone else notice that they're using disqus.com for the comment section on that site? That should tell you had bad slashcode really is...
[19:41:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh i know exactly how bad it is. journals, comments, stories... you'd think their construction would all be similar being as they're in the same codebase BUT YOU WOULD BE WRONG
[19:41:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> how a journal is submitted is absolutely nothing like how a story is either on entry or on display.
[19:41:51] <ciri> you talking to me?
[19:43:26] <mechanicjay> I think ciri needs to bite Bender's shiny metal ass.
[19:43:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think bender needs to bend ciri
[19:44:07] <Blackmoore> heh heh heh
[19:44:15] <Blackmoore> bendover ciri
[19:44:22] <JamesNZ> !fight ciri Bender
[19:44:22] <ciri> Google fights should be the format of 'word(s) one vs word(s) two'
[19:44:32] <JamesNZ> !fight ciri vs Bender
[19:44:33] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: Bender beats ciri by 69,400,000 to 28,200,000!
[19:44:57] <Blackmoore> bot porn.
[19:45:01] * JamesNZ crowns Bender as champ \o/
[19:46:06] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders
[19:48:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, prolly be monday before i can get back to coding. gives me about a month to get mod changes in and get them working/tested. i THINK i can manage.
[19:55:47] <crutchy> !fight php vs perl
[19:55:47] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: perl beats php by 109,000,000 to 654,000!
[19:55:48] <Leebert> TheMightyBuzzard: Don't kill yourself, dude.
[19:56:12] <crutchy> !fight perl vs php
[19:56:13] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: perl beats php by 109,000,000 to 709,000!
[19:56:39] <crutchy> only 709000 for php ?!
[19:57:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> Leebert, mostly db edits at this point. No really heavy coding in there unless I build some additional tools.
[19:59:03] <crutchy> !fight php vs ruby
[19:59:04] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: ruby beats php by 286,000,000 to 709,000!
[19:59:21] <crutchy> thats just weird now
[20:01:26] <crutchy> coffee++
[20:01:26] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[20:01:35] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[20:01:35] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[20:01:44] <JamesNZ> !fight c++ vs php
[20:01:45] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: c++ beats php by 150,000,000 to 349,000!
[20:02:01] <stdhell> !fight 0 vs 1
[20:02:02] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: 1 beats 0 by 9,930,000 to 795,000!
[20:02:03] <JamesNZ> I thought PHP was more popular than that.
[20:02:17] <crutchy> wow php's strength halved
[20:02:21] <Alberto> !fight buttzzard vs buzzard
[20:02:21] <ciri> Google.com/intl/en could not determine the winner. buzzard ties buttzzard with 12,200,000 results.
[20:02:22] <Alberto> :D
[20:02:29] <crutchy> maybe its been in too many fights
[20:02:45] <JamesNZ> Battle weary :P
[20:02:58] <JamesNZ> !fight rust vs php
[20:02:59] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: rust beats php by 180,000,000 to 349,000!
[20:03:05] <stdhell> Let's continue fighting it until it's completely gone...
[20:03:08] <Leebert> !fight flashlight vs gravel
[20:03:09] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: gravel beats flashlight by 78,700,000 to 52,600,000!
[20:03:33] <crutchy> !fight someobscurelanguage vs php
[20:03:34] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: php beats someobscurelanguage by 349,000 to 6,020!
[20:03:35] <Leebert> how exciting
[20:03:36] <ciri> very carefully and then some
[20:03:38] <crutchy> yay!
[20:03:47] <juggs> !fight Leebert vs crutchy
[20:03:47] <JamesNZ> !fight lisp vs php
[20:03:48] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: Leebert beats crutchy by 111,000 to 30,700!
[20:03:49] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: lisp beats php by 19,700,000 to 349,000!
[20:04:08] <JamesNZ> !fight java vs php
[20:04:09] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: java beats php by 495,000,000 to 349,000!
[20:04:15] <JamesNZ> Blimey.
[20:04:17] <juggs> !fight juggs vs world
[20:04:19] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: world beats juggs by 1,410,000,000 to 5,620,000!
[20:04:19] <crutchy> heh that one was expected
[20:04:30] <crutchy> java shits on everything
[20:04:34] <JamesNZ> :D
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[20:04:41] <crutchy> unfortunately
[20:04:43] <JamesNZ> !fight C++ vs Java
[20:04:43] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: Java beats C++ by 495,000,000 to 150,000,000!
[20:04:52] <JamesNZ> Heh, looks like it.
[20:05:04] <stdhell> !fight java vs sanity
[20:05:05] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: java beats sanity by 495,000,000 to 36,100,000!
[20:05:14] <crutchy> !fight java vs html
[20:05:15] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: java beats html by 495,000,000 to 9,150,000!
[20:05:34] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[20:05:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[20:05:40] <crutchy> dammit was hoping it might pick up the tag :p
[20:05:53] <JamesNZ> Heh.
[20:06:21] <JamesNZ> !fight Gnome vs KDE
[20:06:22] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: KDE beats Gnome by 186,000,000 to 46,400,000!
[20:06:25] <mechanicjay> !fight fortran vs php
[20:06:26] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: fortran beats php by 28,600,000 to 220,000!
[20:06:39] <crutchy> lol now its weaker again
[20:06:39] <ciri> i don't think it's that funny lol
[20:06:42] <JamesNZ> PHP is going down O_o
[20:06:43] <juggs> !systemd vs sysvinit
[20:06:49] <juggs> !fight systemd vs sysvinit
[20:06:50] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: systemd beats sysvinit by 5,310,000 to 354,000!
[20:06:55] <juggs> O.O
[20:07:02] <JamesNZ> The interwebz have spoken!
[20:07:04] <crutchy> !fight debian vs arch
[20:07:05] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: arch beats debian by 277,000,000 to 64,600,000!
[20:07:13] <JamesNZ> !fight Fedora vs Debian
[20:07:14] <stdhell> 5,309,999 of those are pages about how much it sucks.
[20:07:14] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: Debian beats Fedora by 64,600,000 to 53,100,000!
[20:07:25] <mechanicjay> yeah, because it's like 5mil posts bitching about it, vs 300,000 results on how to just use sysvinit.
[20:07:34] <juggs> nod
[20:08:25] <crutchy> i don't care how much systemd sucks. init.d scripts are hard
[20:13:45] <chromas> I fell asleep with those Plinkett reviews going all night; dreamt that I was watching them
[20:19:23] <crutchy> you were really watching pr0nz
[20:20:00] <crutchy> subliminal doggy style
[20:20:20] <chromas> Plinkett is pr0nz for the soul
[20:29:05] <crutchy> tama, soulpr0nz would be a good name for a band
[20:30:20] <crutchy> i borked the github feed :(
[20:30:49] <chromas> ah oh
[20:38:18] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[20:38:18] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[20:38:31] <crutchy> coffee++
[20:38:31] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[20:38:45] <Blackmoore> !fight coffee vs tea
[20:38:46] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: coffee beats tea by 1,120,000,000 to 866,000,000!
[20:38:53] <Blackmoore> see?
[20:38:56] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[20:38:56] <Bender> karma - coffee: 934
[20:41:27] <Blackmoore> !fight WWWfights vs epic rap battles
[20:41:28] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: epic rap battles beats WWWfights by 11,400,000 to 1,800,000!
[20:42:28] <Blackmoore> !fight epic meal time vs adventure time
[20:42:29] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: adventure time beats epic meal time by 158,000,000 to 31,600,000!
[20:45:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[20:45:24] <Bender> karma - coffee: 935
[20:45:45] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[20:45:45] <Bender> karma - coffee: 934
[20:45:46] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[20:45:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[20:46:06] * TheMightyBuzzard beats JamesNZ with a sack full of coffee beans
[20:46:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[20:46:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 934
[20:46:43] * JamesNZ whips TheMightyBuzzard with a whip made of tea leaves
[20:46:44] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[20:46:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[20:47:05] <crutchy> ++coffee
[20:47:05] <NetCruft> Karma - coffee: 68
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[20:47:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't make me go all this on you: https://www.youtube.com
[20:47:20] <NetCruft> ^ 03BATMAN vs DARTH VADER - Super Power Beat Down - YouTube
[20:47:31] <Ethanol-fueled> lol @ netCRUFT
[20:47:37] <Ethanol-fueled> funny, yet not offensive.
[20:47:50] * JamesNZ watches
[20:47:51] <crutchy> aw. NetCruft you fail
[20:48:27] <crutchy> NetCruft needs a -o switch
[20:48:33] <Ethanol-fueled> Amuse me while I code a Zork clone for a class assignment
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[20:48:38] <crutchy> ~fortune
[20:48:38] <exec> I do not fear computers. I fear the lack of them.
[20:48:39] <exec> -- Isaac Asimov
[20:48:39] <NetCruft> Karma - : -1
[20:48:51] <crutchy> ¿
[20:49:00] <crutchy> -- blah
[20:49:10] <crutchy> -- blah
[20:49:22] <crutchy> -- blah
[20:49:22] <NetCruft> Karma - : -1
[20:49:31] <crutchy> -- --
[20:49:31] <NetCruft> Karma - : -1
[20:49:37] <crutchy> :p
[20:50:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - In "Targeted" US Drone Strikes, Vast Majority Killed are Not Those Targeted - http://sylnt.us - poor-execution
[20:51:24] <NetCruft> I may need to stop by the editor's office and get my source checked
[20:51:25] <crutchy> well there's a fucking surprise
[20:51:40] <crutchy> lol ^ not aimed at NetCruft
[20:51:41] <ciri> now that is funny
[20:52:02] <crutchy> drones are bad mkay
[20:52:34] <chromas> crutchy: how am I supposed to get minerals? scvs? fuck that!
[20:52:45] <JamesNZ> TheMightyBuzzard: Dude, we should totally do that.
[20:52:49] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[20:52:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[20:53:13] <crutchy> !fight batman vs darth vader
[20:53:14] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: batman beats darth vader by 210,000,000 to 31,700,000!
[20:53:22] <crutchy> that's definitive
[20:53:28] <JamesNZ> Yep.
[20:53:34] <crutchy> !fight batman vs darth vader and php
[20:53:35] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: batman beats darth vader and php by 210,000,000 to 1,010,000!
[20:53:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[20:53:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[20:53:40] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[20:53:40] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[20:53:44] <Ethanol-fueled> coffee++
[20:53:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[20:53:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> do what?
[20:53:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[20:53:48] <Bender> karma - coffee: 934
[20:53:49] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[20:53:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[20:53:51] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[20:53:51] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[20:53:52] <Ethanol-fueled> chuggin' a phat iced right now
[20:53:56] <Ethanol-fueled> goddammit James
[20:54:04] <JamesNZ> TheMightyBuzzard: Have a power battle :)
[20:54:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm root, i win.
[20:54:28] <JamesNZ> Though I suspect you would simply ban/quiet/kick me :P
[20:54:32] <crutchy> dude... you didn't mean you're chuggin a phat while iced?
[20:54:58] <Ethanol-fueled> sober, crutchy. Always during homework time.
[20:55:27] <crutchy> whatcha doin for homework?
[20:55:36] <crutchy> not java i hope
[20:55:40] <Ethanol-fueled> writing a python implementation of a Zork-style game
[20:55:44] <crutchy> ah
[20:55:58] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, worse -- Jython.....in a gimped-down toy IDE
[20:56:08] <crutchy> eck
[20:56:18] <Ethanol-fueled> it's like michaelangelo forced to make a sculpture wtih duplo blocks
[20:56:24] <crutchy> lol
[20:56:24] <ciri> HEHEHEHE
[20:56:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> think of it as coding minecraft style
[20:57:05] <crutchy> pfft minecraft
[20:57:10] <Ethanol-fueled> what should I name it?
[20:57:17] <crutchy> Pork
[20:57:23] <Ethanol-fueled> Good idea, crutchy.
[20:57:24] <chromas> jython sounds like it would be a java hybrid /me internets it
[20:57:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> Fork
[20:57:32] <Ethanol-fueled> Pork it is.
[20:57:41] <Landon> Ethanol-fueled: what's the motivation for doing this?
[20:57:50] <crutchy> i expect to see it in the debian repos soon :D
[20:57:52] <Ethanol-fueled> Class assingment, Landon.
[20:57:57] <Landon> ah
[20:58:05] <Landon> I'm having trouble naming my own project :(
[20:58:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> Landon, when in doubt, call it bob.
[20:58:19] <Ethanol-fueled> We're done doing all the cool media manipulation coding, now it's one step forward, two steps back into rudimentary string operations.
[20:58:19] <Landon> none of the github name gens appeal
[20:58:29] <crutchy> what's it about landon?
[20:58:29] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, I'll call it Bob.
[20:58:36] <Landon> crutchy: irc lib
[20:58:45] <chromas> libircctl
[20:58:46] <JamesNZ> BobLib!
[20:58:47] <Ethanol-fueled> Pork might offend all the libtard fat women and Muzzies in teh class.
[20:58:50] <Landon> of which, irclib and libirc++ already exist
[20:58:50] <crutchy> lirc?
[20:58:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> libbobirc
[20:58:58] <Ethanol-fueled> Bob it is. And it will star a character named Bob
[20:59:05] <Landon> bugfree-bob
[20:59:16] <crutchy> spongebewb
[20:59:22] <chromas> will it use Comic Sans MS?
[20:59:24] <Landon> crutchy: hah, lirc is the remote control library
[20:59:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> bewbs++
[20:59:28] <Bender> karma - bewbs: 27
[20:59:30] <crutchy> oh
[20:59:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Going to use quotes from Futurama and Atlanta nights:
[20:59:52] <crutchy> if it hasn't got 4 letters its not cool
[20:59:59] <Landon> xpl3?
[20:59:59] <Ethanol-fueled> "You're as mad as you've ever been."
[21:00:41] <crutchy> ictl
[21:00:57] <Landon> actually, what domains do I have floating around
[21:02:15] <Landon> libpoorstills
[21:05:20] <crutchy> what about just irclib?
[21:05:38] <crutchy> oh it already exists
[21:08:49] <crutchy> bewbs++
[21:08:49] <Bender> karma - bewbs: 28
[21:09:33] <crutchy> ~q
[21:09:34] <exec> successfully saved buckets file (44.5 kb)
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[21:11:53] <crutchy> heh
[21:12:00] <crutchy> maybe call it urkel :p
[21:12:17] <crutchy> a kind of ircl gag
[21:16:00] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm going with "Bob"
[21:16:22] <Ethanol-fueled> that's a normal-sounding name for a poor schmuck who winds up in an abnormal situation.
[21:17:36] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[21:17:36] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[21:19:16] <juggs> !fight TheMightyBuzzard vs Godzilla
[21:19:17] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: Godzilla beats TheMightyBuzzard by 45,600,000 to 13,600!
[21:19:22] <juggs> aww
[21:22:06] <JamesNZ> $godzilla
[21:22:07] <aqu4> How about no?
[21:22:07] <ciri> not sure
[21:22:23] <juggs> .op
[21:22:23] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o juggs] by juggler
[21:22:27] <JamesNZ> Fine, have it your way aqu4.
[21:22:29] <juggs> $godzilla
[21:22:29] <aqu4> How about no?
[21:22:50] <juggs> hmph
[21:23:14] <JamesNZ> aqu4 has her own list of admins.
[21:23:28] <juggs> clearly :D
[21:23:52] <juggs> good thing too, otherwise we'd have godzilla romping all over the channel all day
[21:24:01] <juggs> .deop
[21:24:01] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o juggs] by juggler
[21:24:09] <JamesNZ> Heh :P
[21:24:20] * JamesNZ romps around
[21:34:16] <swiss> juggs: so the sr20 is being an asshole
[21:34:26] <swiss> do you monitor voltage on yours while you drive?
[21:34:38] <juggs> which voltage?
[21:34:51] <swiss> battery/car
[21:35:09] <swiss> mine usually sits around 13.3 which is good
[21:35:13] <juggs> not avidly - have a gauge
[21:35:23] <swiss> but then sometimes when the revs fall it will drop to 12.2/11.8
[21:36:03] <juggs> little on the low side perhaps, shouldn't really cause a prob though
[21:36:35] <swiss> it shouldn't go from 13.3/5 to 11.8 in half a second
[21:36:39] <swiss> in my opinion
[21:37:40] <juggs> why not? revs fall, alternator speed falls with it
[21:38:17] <Blackmoore> !fight bacon vs godzilla
[21:38:18] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: bacon beats godzilla by 199,000,000 to 45,600,000!
[21:38:33] <juggs> really should be 13 - 14 even on idle though
[21:38:56] <Blackmoore> !fight gigawatts vs jiggawatts
[21:38:57] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: gigawatts beats jiggawatts by 561,000 to 67,300!
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[21:40:29] <JamesNZ> !fight tron vs clu
[21:40:30] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: tron beats clu by 78,000,000 to 20,300,000!
[21:41:01] <juggs> maybe the alt is on the way out, or as always seems to be the way with these damn things... a slightly crappy contact on one of the multitude of earth straps
[21:43:27] <juggs> or alt belt a tad loose / worn and slipping
[21:43:32] <Blackmoore> !fight power failure vs solar power
[21:43:33] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: solar power beats power failure by 82,200,000 to 66,300,000!
[21:43:35] <juggs> not much it can be really :D
[21:45:09] <JamesNZ> !fight humanity vs nature
[21:45:11] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: nature beats humanity by 1,770,000,000 to 162,000,000!
[21:48:40] * juggs starts scripting anti bot-abuse spam control bot extension
[21:49:15] <JamesNZ> Bots can take it.
[21:51:16] <Blackmoore> !fight ciri vs chainsaw
[21:51:17] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: chainsaw beats ciri by 34,200,000 to 28,200,000!
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[22:11:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Pressured to Make the Right to be Forgotten International - http://sylnt.us - when-you-call-my-name
[22:20:43] <Ethanol-fueled> Bleh. Done with that tedium for now.
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[23:00:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> i lurve twitter sometimes. you can have such great arguments on it.
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[23:01:46] <juggs> keeps people from being verbose I guess :D
[23:05:45] <Blackmoore> gnight folk. I'm out for the holiday.
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[23:08:28] <juggs> hut-hut EF - whaassssuuupp?
[23:08:30] <chromas> that's just nonsense
[23:08:43] <chromas> The holidays is the perfect time to be on irc
[23:09:26] <Ethanol-fueled> chillin'. Tired. You?
[23:09:29] <juggs> No holiday here - but happy Thanksgiving to those that do
[23:09:45] <Ethanol-fueled> Thanks bro.
[23:10:26] * Ethanol-fueled plays some Iron Maiden's Run to the Hills in honor of pilgrims slaughtering his people
[23:10:44] <juggs> not up to much. Working on some new game rules for a game I staff on - pain in the ass as the game is dying anyway.
[23:10:58] <Ethanol-fueled> are you like a DM juggs?
[23:13:43] <juggs> Nah, it's a clicky text browser based MPORPG - think McCodes type game and you're there. I've been staffing on it for far too long. It's well in decline now. Our only new players for the last year or so seem to all be from Burma / Myanmar.
[23:14:41] <juggs> White Man Came Across the Sea....
[23:16:53] <Ethanol-fueled> Nice.
[23:18:20] <juggs> lol - I've just kicked off The Number of the Beast album on mpd... takes me back
[23:18:35] <Ethanol-fueled> Maiden are timeless.
[23:19:14] <Ethanol-fueled> great sense of humor as well, lots of other bands in the '80's were so up their own asses.
[23:21:54] <juggs> I saw them live at the time :D And yeh, you are right, they never took themselves seriously - and for the time had epic theatrical stage sets, with giant Eddies making an appearance on every tour. Much like Judas Priest at the time, although Rob Halford was a bit prima donna.
[23:22:45] <Ethanol-fueled> That can be excused for Rob -- the Freddy Mercury of metal.
[23:25:01] <juggs> I remember it as the wars between what I call trad brit metal and the hairspray 'metal' such as faster pussycat. Good days to be into that kind of music either way as they were all playing much smaller venues. Massive stadium gigs just are not the same.
[23:26:00] <juggs> Rob could certainly hit some stupidly high notes before his voice croaked out.
[23:32:25] <Ethanol-fueled> Time for booze.
[23:32:55] <Ethanol-fueled> And marijuanas.
[23:32:56] <juggs> rut-roh
[23:33:22] <Leebert> You mean "re-fueling", as per your nick...
[23:34:51] <Ethanol-fueled> "reloading" sounds much cooler. But refueling is technically correct.
[23:35:48] <Ethanol-fueled> I'll probably pass out before I get stupid though -- I had to get up for work at 3am today. Fucking dickhead bosses made us call off our scheduled vacation to ship some shit.
[23:36:37] <Ethanol-fueled> Looks like I'm gonna have to have a chat with HR next monday, going in there with the puppy-dog eyes and lettin' 'em know that my grandma is 90 and in bad shape.
[23:37:05] <Leebert> What do you do? Software development?
[23:37:31] <Ethanol-fueled> I've done some for them, but my primary job is fancy toy-fixer.
[23:37:39] <Ethanol-fueled> SONAR is the easy explanation.
[23:37:54] <Leebert> Gotcha. Sounds interesting.
[23:38:24] <Leebert> I remember my early days at NASA when a scientist sat down and showed me what Synthetic Aperature Radar was, and how the data was processed.
[23:38:37] <Ethanol-fueled> Nice.
[23:38:42] <Leebert> Amazing (and yet, run of the mill) stuff.
[23:38:57] <Leebert> Yeah. She was really good at explaining.
[23:38:58] <Ethanol-fueled> Still interesting, though. Our gadgets use autocorelation.
[23:39:30] <Leebert> You're already heading off the reservation of my understanding... :)
[23:39:47] <Leebert> I'm lucky I remembered "synthetic aperature radar"
[23:41:44] <Ethanol-fueled> It's basically correlating two signals, and the higher the correlation, the better the signal.
[23:42:07] <Leebert> Makes sense.
[23:42:29] <Ethanol-fueled> They can measure the water velocity because the operating frequencies scatter off of silt, plankton, things like that.
[23:43:14] <Leebert> Kind of makes me think of that whole critical flight software paradigm where three different computers are running three different codebases to do the same calculations, and "voting" on the correct answers.
[23:44:00] <Ethanol-fueled> Leebert, 'twas 5 in the 5-15. But you sho' need that redundancy.
[23:44:18] <Leebert> Huh. I do wish I understood that stuff better. I've always found Doppler RADAR for weather applications a bit confusing.
[23:44:29] <Leebert> I mean, of course I understand the general principles.
[23:45:04] <Leebert> It's just counterintiutive to me that a RADAR return can be used to infer things as detailed as the type of precipitation (snow, rain...)
[23:45:57] <Leebert> But anyway, sorry, didn't mean to hold you up from your important business of refueling. :)
[23:47:07] <Ethanol-fueled> Meh. I'm here because I'm too lazy and tired to walk into the meatspace. Got a buddy who lives like a block away.
[23:47:34] <Ethanol-fueled> Don't want to talk to meatspace people
[23:48:18] <Leebert> Totally understand. For some reason I'm still feeling my work oats, so I'm tapping away on a threat assessment. It's very exciting, I assure you.
[23:48:28] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[23:48:28] <Bender> karma - coffee: 930
[23:48:39] <Ethanol-fueled> threat assessment?
[23:48:39] <Leebert> I probably wouldn't go anywhere anyhow since it's snowing and other drivers are idiots.
[23:48:44] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHAHA
[23:48:47] <Leebert> Eh, paperworky stuff for work.
[23:48:50] <Ethanol-fueled> where you at?
[23:48:57] <Leebert> Carroll County, MD.
[23:49:15] <Leebert> Not a whole lot of snow, but enough to induce terminal stupid driving.
[23:49:31] <Leebert> (which is, unfortunately, "any amount of snow")
[23:50:38] <Ethanol-fueled> Man, you guys are gettin' slammed this year.
[23:51:02] <Leebert> I sometimes wish I lived close enough to my friends to just walk to see them. But then I remember that means that they could just as easily walk over to visit me even when I wanted to be left alone. So I figure it's a good tradeoff.
[23:51:39] <Leebert> It's not really been much here. Upstate NY got their asses kicked, though. We had a little bit of snow a few weeks ago, but only enough to cover the grass.
[23:51:54] <Leebert> If current trends continue, though, it's going to be a rough winter.
[23:56:54] <juggs> My uncle lives upstate NY - only got an inch or so. Wasn't dump of snow just a slightly exaggerated lake effect dump?
[23:57:36] <juggs> i.e. fairly localised
[23:59:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[23:59:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931