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[00:41:25] <SpallsHurgenson> <mutter mutter>
[00:45:08] <Konomi> https://soylentnews.org
[00:45:09] <netctl> ^ 03SN comment by seandiggity (639)
[00:45:10] <Konomi> +1
[00:47:11] <SpallsHurgenson> well, soylent articles (and comments) are pretty poor but the site is young yet. give its editors and audience time to develop their own voice :)
[00:49:14] <chromas> tps://encyclopediadramatica.se
[00:49:19] <chromas> :|
[00:49:24] <chromas> https://encyclopediadramatica.se
[00:49:25] <netctl> ^ 03MikeeUSA - Encyclopedia Dramatica
[00:49:34] <Konomi> wow he got on ED?
[00:49:50] <chromas> Konomi: s/ on//
[00:49:50] <sedctl> <chromas> <Konomi> wow he got ED?
[00:49:51] <exec> <chromas> <Konomi> wow he got ED?
[00:50:01] <SpallsHurgenson> whoa, I'm seeing double
[00:50:02] <Konomi> lol it's a post trolling him
[00:50:03] <chromas> ~sed off
[00:50:04] <exec> sed disabled for 10#Soylent
[00:50:52] <Konomi> wow this guy is fruity to the max
[00:55:07] <SpallsHurgenson> that reminds me, I'm hungry
[00:58:08] <SpallsHurgenson> leftover pizza or leftover chili?
[00:58:18] <juggs> chili
[00:58:42] <chromas> chili_pizza++
[00:58:42] <Bender> karma - chili_pizza: 1
[00:59:04] <SpallsHurgenson> or steak stirfry (requries actual cooking)
[00:59:56] <SpallsHurgenson> or ordering out for Chinese (requires actual money)
[01:11:02] * SpallsHurgenson settles on leftover pizza, 'cause that requires the least preparation
[01:15:22] * SpallsHurgenson watches "Airplane"; still an awesome movie. Awesome, I tell you!
[01:15:45] <juggs> wow - not seen that for a very long time
[01:16:08] <SpallsHurgenson> "The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers. There is no stopping in the white zone."
[01:38:36] <SpallsHurgenson> "Nervous?" "Yes." "First time?" "No, I've been nervous lots of times."
[01:41:44] <juggs> RIP Leslie Nielsen :)
[01:50:33] <SpallsHurgenson> "Joey, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?"
[02:22:27] * Konomi np: Trickster Online - Spelunker Spirit - Soundtrack - 2003.mp3 :: 2.5M :: DeaDBeef 0.6.2
[02:22:41] <Konomi> this took some effort but I finally tagged the whole sound track and renamed it \o/
[02:22:42] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[02:22:42] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[02:22:46] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[02:22:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[02:23:03] <juggs> you got that 'now playing' scripted Konomi?
[02:23:09] <Konomi> nods
[02:23:09] * SpallsHurgenson is starting to get the impression JamesNZ doesn't like coffee
[02:23:22] <Konomi> it does deadbeef vlc mplayer2
[02:23:25] <Konomi> and i think some other one
[02:23:27] * Konomi checks
[02:23:29] <JamesNZ> SpallsHurgenson: Who told you? :o
[02:23:45] <Konomi> oh mpv
[02:23:48] <Konomi> the newer one
[02:23:49] * SpallsHurgenson is good at picking these things up
[02:23:52] <chromas> Konomi: you must not listen to much music
[02:24:00] <JamesNZ> Indeed.
[02:24:01] <Konomi> what gives you that idea?
[02:24:19] <chromas> it's scripted but it only fires a couple times every couple days
[02:24:26] <Konomi> it's manual
[02:24:32] <SpallsHurgenson> very long songs :)
[02:24:35] <Konomi> I don't like spamming up channels I only announce it when i like the song
[02:24:42] <chromas> ah
[02:24:47] <Konomi> well really like*
[02:24:53] <chromas> so do you just run a /command and it figures out what's playing then?
[02:25:15] <juggs> There are some really good mp3 taggers available that automate the the whole tagging, renaming and sorting into proper dir hierarchy thing. Had to do my whole collection a few years back after a rogue application obliterated all my tags.
[02:25:29] <Konomi> I've tried that stuff it's hit and miss
[02:25:37] <juggs> yah, very much so
[02:25:39] <Konomi> especially if you don't listen to old stuff or the pop of the day
[02:25:40] <chromas> There's also ones that pull the datums off the internet DBs
[02:26:29] <juggs> I think EasyTag was what I used - did most of it ok - then had to tidy up the odds n sods
[02:27:11] <Konomi> I played this mmo before I got off windows
[02:27:17] <Konomi> sadly it's a victum of gameguard
[02:27:34] <Konomi> game runs perfectly fine on wine but you can't use it because gameguard cough rootkit cough doesn't work with wine
[02:27:42] <juggs> chromas, and pulls in album artwork too - not sure what the copyright considerations are around copies of cd / album artwork images though
[02:27:49] <SpallsHurgenson> "Oh stewardess, I speak jive."
[02:28:08] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: do you like movies about gladiators, son?
[02:29:14] <juggs> anyone else following #debianfork on freenode?
[02:29:25] <Konomi> I did play it in my vm for awhile but it broke there too ;_;
[02:29:49] <Konomi> juggs: no I don't follow launched ships full of holes into an ocean generally
[02:29:56] <juggs> haha
[02:30:12] <Konomi> why don;t they just make the name more apt
[02:30:17] <SpallsHurgenson> I do... but I'm in the salvage business :)
[02:30:18] <chromas> juggs: aqu4 is
[02:30:28] <Konomi> #debianforkohwemeanyouknowlikeubuntucausesystemdateourbaby
[02:30:43] <juggs> I'm just spectating not going along for the ride Konomi - I've a few years before I need to really think about it
[02:30:53] <Konomi> like I said unless they fork every damn part of debian
[02:30:55] <Konomi> all the packages
[02:30:57] <Konomi> the mirrors
[02:31:03] <Konomi> it ain't a fucking fork
[02:31:08] <Konomi> it's just another derivitve
[02:31:11] <Konomi> like ubuntu
[02:31:24] <juggs> chromas, I noticed aqu4 popped up there - I said hi :D
[02:31:26] <chromas> they should put their efforts into the systemd fork then try to push that into debian
[02:31:33] <Konomi> ubuntu is more of a fork than their little attention seeking project
[02:31:51] <juggs> Konomi, yah, to do it properly would be a metric fuck tonne of work and manpower
[02:32:24] <Konomi> it's stupid anyway
[02:32:30] <Konomi> yo cna just install jessie
[02:32:40] <Konomi> sudo aptitude install sysvinit-core
[02:32:41] <juggs> sure, for now they can recompile bits n pieces to suit but that's not a long term strategy for success as far as I can tell
[02:32:44] <Konomi> wb sysvinit...
[02:33:04] <juggs> epoch++ support our own :D
[02:33:04] <Bender> karma - epoch: 3
[02:33:10] <Konomi> the only issue is you may have to write init scripts for some packages because package maintainers don't want to be arsed to do two init scripts
[02:33:16] <Konomi> thought tbh
[02:33:24] <Konomi> I doubt any package maintainer will drop the init scripts
[02:33:31] <Konomi> they already work and systemd is backwards compat
[02:33:33] <Konomi> so why bother
[02:33:48] <Konomi> storm in a tea cup
[02:34:24] <chromas> too much activity in there to keep up
[02:34:46] <juggs> meh, I'll worry about it when I need to. Too much drama around the entire thing at the moment.
[02:34:48] <Konomi> it's a bunch of 4chan tards anyway
[02:35:08] <Konomi> the fact we have so many AC comments and they keep using language common to 4chan and pushing bsd tells me all I need to know
[02:35:17] <Konomi> they also mention SJW and gamergate crap
[02:35:19] <juggs> Fun watching the shit fly though - I'll wait for the dust to die down.
[02:35:23] <Konomi> not hard to tell it's parts of the same group
[02:35:27] <SpallsHurgenson> don't hold back, tell us what you really think about it :)
[02:35:52] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, have you ever known Konomi to not hold back? :)
[02:36:01] <juggs> that's a good thing btw
[02:36:12] <Konomi> well I look at it this wasyu
[02:36:17] <Konomi> thepeople who get it will take me seriously
[02:36:23] <Konomi> and the people who don't will think I'm trolling
[02:36:36] <SpallsHurgenson> I dunno, I never listen to anybody but myself :)
[02:36:41] <Konomi> either way I either a. get people to support fixing up this mess or b. get my jollies from trolling them
[02:36:45] <Konomi> so win win
[02:37:55] <Konomi> my deep concern is though this little ball of hatred spilling festing group of ideological idiots will effect open source projects in general
[02:38:00] <Konomi> I really do wish they'd fuck off
[02:38:20] <Konomi> though fortuantly debian is pretty strong in their convictions so I don't worry too much
[02:38:47] <Konomi> I worry a little about the image damage to the open source community though
[02:38:58] <Konomi> I was hoping it had got past the nerd rage status quo image it was putting out
[02:39:33] <Konomi> last thing I want is "I went to the support channel and they were so rude saying all this crap to me so I said fuck it I am buying a mac"
[02:39:39] <Konomi> ^ that is the shit that worries me
[02:39:46] <chromas> we need to get people in there to start up some subtle trolling. Talk like they're all in agreement then slowly steer toward "systemd rulez!"
[02:39:56] <Konomi> it won't matter
[02:40:05] <chromas> for fun
[02:40:05] <Konomi> it'll be just like pulseaudio
[02:40:10] <Konomi> everyone will bitch and moan
[02:40:14] <SpallsHurgenson> well, if #soylent is known for anything, it's its subtle trolls!
[02:40:14] <Konomi> 2 years later no fucks given
[02:40:15] <ciri> 3
[02:40:28] <chromas> ooh, they need ciri
[02:40:37] <Konomi> yeah they do >.>
[02:40:58] <Konomi> it's just the obvious shit I see from these people
[02:41:15] <Konomi> "Oh I think if I don't use systemd I won't get pulseaudio either but I hate it too so la la"
[02:41:24] <Konomi> holy fuck you idiot pulseaudio was out before systemd why would it require it
[02:41:27] * chromas gives #debianfork combatserver, khyber, poutine and Ethanol-fueled
[02:41:45] <SpallsHurgenson> "WZAZ Chicago... where disco lives forever." <crash>
[02:41:49] <Konomi> it's just stupid shit like that where I can tell the people didn't even fucking try the software at all
[02:42:30] <chromas> Konomi: or apparently they had some trouble with Debian's package so that means it's Lennart's fault
[02:42:44] <Konomi> chromas: I use the deb packages they work fine for me
[02:42:50] <Konomi> there are bugs though but it's new software
[02:42:56] <chromas> sssshh
[02:43:03] <Konomi> some were introduced by a few poor patches from the maintainers though
[02:43:23] <chromas> oh yeah, avahi's deprecated apparently
[02:43:25] <SpallsHurgenson> that's why I stick with well-tested software plaforms... like Windows!
[02:43:36] <juggs> pulseaudio was a mess when it first got rolled into Ubuntu - but then they're not exactly a conservative distro - and it got fixed up pretty quickly ~shrug~
[02:43:52] <Konomi> SpallsHurgenson: sure I love paying a third company software maker so I can get my start menu back \o/
[02:44:02] <Konomi> yeah
[02:44:07] <Konomi> pulse wasn't good until about 3.0
[02:44:11] <Konomi> I started at 2.0
[02:44:19] <Konomi> that's why I have a package called pulsereset
[02:44:23] * SpallsHurgenson points out you can get it back for free :)
[02:44:28] <Konomi> it fucked up that much at the start you needed it ;p
[02:44:39] <SpallsHurgenson> but that's not the point: I'm talking SECURITY here :)
[02:44:43] <Konomi> problem is alsa can't do many things
[02:44:51] <Konomi> and when I came from windows 7 to debian
[02:44:53] <Konomi> I already had those things
[02:45:01] <Konomi> per app volume control easy loop back recording
[02:45:04] <Konomi> alsa sucks at these
[02:45:17] <chromas> jackd++
[02:45:17] <Bender> karma - jackd: 1
[02:45:22] <Konomi> and at the time I'd rather use the slightly buggy pulseaudio than not have those feeatures
[02:45:26] <juggs> I had to remove it for a while as it was mangling my attempts to use jackd for something else - but what I was doing was an corner case and no real problem, just ripped it out and went about my business.
[02:45:43] <Konomi> however now at pulse audio 4.0
[02:45:45] <Konomi> it never
[02:45:47] <Konomi> ever fucks up
[02:45:49] <Konomi> not in a year
[02:46:19] <Konomi> they're adding bluetooth audio headset support coming version
[02:46:24] <Konomi> as far as I know the first time linux will have it
[02:46:29] <Konomi> and windows has had it forever
[02:46:54] * SpallsHurgenson remembers using bluetooth audio in Windows 1.0; those were the days
[02:46:55] <juggs> I like headphones with wires
[02:46:56] <chromas> I thought pulse already had that
[02:47:09] <SpallsHurgenson> however, my memory has been known to be faulty :)
[02:47:30] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: mac had it even before then!
[02:47:40] <Konomi> same but I'd like bluetooth headsets if they actually worked properly
[02:47:46] <Konomi> I've never seen them work well on any OS
[02:47:47] <Konomi> windows and mac
[02:47:55] <juggs> debian_wiki++
[02:47:55] <Bender> karma - debian_wiki: 1
[02:48:02] <Konomi> the arch wiki is better tbh
[02:48:06] <SpallsHurgenson> bluetooth support on qdos was *fantastic*
[02:48:15] <Konomi> the debian wiki is okay but arch one is far far better than any distro's one imo
[02:48:22] <Konomi> they should be proud of it
[02:48:33] <chromas> pffh! I first came across bluetooth on the apple 2gs
[02:48:57] <juggs> yah - arch wiki is detailed. Can trip you up though if doing something on another distro.
[02:48:58] <chromas> Konomi: but you know how humble arch users are
[02:49:37] <juggs> well - it can trip me up as I'm an idiot :D
[02:49:55] * SpallsHurgenson suddenly gets pedantic and points out the Apple IIGs was released in 1986 and qdos was released in 1980 :)
[02:50:04] <Konomi> chromas: credit where credit is due ;p
[02:50:07] <chromas> :(
[02:50:13] <chromas> chromaS--
[02:50:13] <Bender> karma - chromas: 53
[02:50:37] <Konomi> I bet there's a lot of people runnign distros that are not arch who would admit after some coaxing that they have used the arch wiki many times ;p
[02:50:42] <juggs> chromas, all you need to do is rtfm to use arch
[02:50:52] <Konomi> arch has gotten better
[02:50:55] <Konomi> that have a text installer now
[02:50:59] <Konomi> similar to debian
[02:51:06] <Konomi> and they got pissed and moaned at for that too
[02:51:09] <chromas> There's not that much to do to install though
[02:51:11] <Konomi> makes me wonder sometimes...
[02:51:59] <chromas> debian_installed-- # for the weird way the Next or whatever button is the same as pressing enter on the menu selection
[02:51:59] <Bender> karma - debian_installed: -1
[02:52:21] <Konomi> enter defaults to selection adn go to next menu item
[02:52:25] <Konomi> space is how you select chromas
[02:52:38] <Konomi> typical behavour for a TUI really
[02:54:59] <Konomi> basiclaly if you want to change things you move with arrows and space to toggle
[02:55:12] <Konomi> enter is there for if you come o the next screen and go oh I want that default looks good
[02:55:18] <Konomi> instead of having to move to next you just hit enter
[02:55:49] <chromas> There's a button that's like Next or OK or something and pushing it is the same as selecting an item in the menu, so instead of pushing OK when I'm done, I have to go select an I'm done here item and then push it
[02:56:10] <chromas> the graphical installer is the same
[02:57:47] <juggs> hmm... wonder if this could be considered sedition....
[02:57:52] <juggs> export KEY_EMAIL="theresa.may@new.stasi"
[02:57:59] <juggs> :D
[02:58:12] <Konomi> hmm tbh I haven't installed in awhile so idk if it has been changed
[02:58:21] <Konomi> I installed and squeeze and use pinning to make debian a rolling distro
[02:58:30] <Konomi> so I haven't really seen an installer dialog since then
[03:01:45] <juggs> Konomi, what is the meaning of the 1st dot in this command? . ./vars
[03:02:07] <juggs> that's dot <space> dot
[03:02:27] <juggs> . ./ rather than ../ which I know
[03:02:56] <chromas> juggs: is it specifying multiple directories to look in?
[03:03:15] <chromas> or, where is it? java?
[03:03:19] <juggs> I don't know - that's why I'm asking
[03:03:34] <juggs> nah I'm following an openvpn setup guide
[03:03:37] <chromas> well I misread anyway, 'cause I read . ../
[03:03:42] <chromas> three dots
[03:03:47] * SpallsHurgenson recommends randomly running any commands when you don't know what they do :)
[03:03:48] * chromas puts his dunce hat on
[03:03:56] <chromas> with su
[03:04:27] <chromas> or sudo, depending on your distro and their incorrigible opinions on the use of sudo
[03:04:29] <juggs> yah right - I'm su right now on this, hence why I'm asking
[03:04:41] <juggs> I've not seen that before
[03:04:52] <chromas> I'd think . would be equal to ./
[03:06:12] <chromas> or in that case, . ./vars would be equal to . vars
[03:06:23] <juggs> maybe a typo as "vars" in the current directory but is not executable
[03:06:49] <juggs> going for a smoke then I'll have to have a look at vars to see what it is
[03:11:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Double The Fun! Mycoplasma Doubles the Cost of an STD - http://sylnt.us - our-co-plasma
[03:12:29] <juggs> debian_wiki--
[03:12:29] <Bender> karma - debian_wiki: 0
[03:13:02] <Konomi> feels like I moved to queensland here
[03:13:12] <Konomi> hot days with tons of rain x.x
[03:13:32] <juggs> better than cold with lashing rain
[03:14:58] <chromas> Looks like I was wrong on the internet. The graphical debian installer is how I described; the text one has its own weirdness
[03:15:29] <Konomi> https://i.imgur.com
[03:17:10] <Konomi> https://i.imgur.com what could go wrong ~
[03:17:38] <juggs> looks like something out of bladerunner
[03:17:55] <SpallsHurgenson> chromas: satan will send you the bill for the snowplowing necessary caused by your admitting you were wrong on the internet
[03:18:15] <juggs> those have got to be photoshop produce
[03:18:42] <Konomi> http://www.telegraph.co.uk
[03:18:43] <netctl> ^ 03City of the future sinks into the ocean - Telegraph
[03:19:14] <SpallsHurgenson> ocean spirals better have giant mechs to protect it, or why even bother?
[03:20:59] <Konomi> https://medium.com
[03:21:00] <netctl> ^ 03Medium
[03:21:02] <Konomi> that image
[03:22:26] <juggs> ~sigh~
[03:23:27] <Konomi> gotta hack on that mac *doof* *doof* *doof*
[03:25:21] <Konomi> sounds like a summary of GitS
[03:26:41] <Konomi> warning little nsfw (gore): https://i.imgur.com
[03:27:08] * SpallsHurgenson looks at picture and sees kitty!
[03:27:51] <Konomi> drastic ways to escape facebook 101
[03:28:07] <juggs> I like scripts that say "This is going to take a long time" in their output
[03:29:03] <SpallsHurgenson> I had to fix Mum's facebook account the other day; it made me feel so dirty
[03:30:19] <SpallsHurgenson> makes me glad I'm a friendless nerd and never had to get involved with facebook :)
[03:30:27] <juggs> I was wonder what the smell was around here, couldn't figure out if it was a facebook or linkedin aroma
[03:30:45] <Konomi> hehe
[03:30:56] <Konomi> http://ww3.sinaimg.cn - Night city image
[03:31:03] * JamesNZ can smell a tinge of instagram
[03:31:14] * juggs smells camphor
[03:31:24] <JamesNZ> Konomi: Was that at the olympics or something?
[03:31:34] <SpallsHurgenson> meh, I'll stick with Manhattan :)
[03:31:35] <Konomi> I am not sure of the source
[03:32:01] <Konomi> http://www.engadget.com
[03:32:01] <JamesNZ> Ah.
[03:32:02] <netctl> ^ 03Hackers tried to hold a Detroit city database hostage
[03:32:23] <Konomi> as bad as it is, that is kinda cool x.x
[03:32:44] <SpallsHurgenson> geez, talk about stupid. Might as well rob the homeless guy, they'll get more money :)
[03:32:49] <Konomi> "What are you in for?" "Held a city database for ransom" "Okkkaayyy then"
[03:33:20] <juggs> my my setting up an openvpn server is long winded - at least I'm reading as I go, getting a better understanding of CA / Intermediary / Client certs in the process of this buttache.
[03:34:57] <Konomi> CAs are always butt pain
[03:36:28] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[03:36:28] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[03:37:23] <Konomi> caffeine++
[03:37:23] <Bender> karma - caffeine: 50
[03:37:58] <Alberto> acid++
[03:37:58] <Bender> karma - acid: 1
[03:38:04] <juggs> Do you have a Thinkpad with a tux sticker on the lid Konomi?
[03:38:15] <Konomi> nope I own a toshiba
[03:38:25] <Konomi> and it has no stickers on it much to my shame
[03:38:35] <juggs> aww you spoilt the cliche :D
[03:39:14] * SpallsHurgenson needs a sticker for his little netbook
[03:39:26] <chromas> an apple sticker
[03:39:32] <juggs> You want an SN sticker?
[03:39:46] <SpallsHurgenson> it needs to match the color :)
[03:40:04] * juggs tries to recall if we have SN stickers in the swag store
[03:40:29] <juggs> ERR_MEM_READ_FAIL
[03:40:31] <Konomi> SpallsHurgenson: it does actually my laptop is red and black
[03:41:00] <Konomi> http://www.mytoshiba.com.au
[03:41:02] <netctl> ^ 03PQF65A-033002 - Toshiba Qosmio F60 Computer - Australia :: Toshiba :: Computers, Laptops/Notebooks, Tablets, Televisions, DVD and Blu-Ray Players, Camcorders, Storage, Accessories, and more
[03:41:10] <Konomi> au only model I think
[03:41:34] <SpallsHurgenson> I've never had good luck with toshiba laptops
[03:41:54] <SpallsHurgenson> they always break, or have poor components, or try to kill me
[03:41:55] <Konomi> brought mine when I seen my brothers friend abusing his
[03:42:08] <Konomi> figured it toshbia can survie what he does to laptops my one would last
[03:42:11] <Konomi> worked out well ;p
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[03:42:30] <Konomi> would get on borderlands play it then close ht elid with it still running
[03:42:32] <Konomi> leave it on a bed
[03:42:36] <Konomi> hot laptop was hot
[03:43:07] * SpallsHurgenson checks the laptop collection to see if he still owns a toshiba...
[03:43:21] <Konomi> I think I've had this one 5 years now
[03:43:25] <Konomi> replaced hd and keyboard
[03:43:39] <Konomi> keyboard may be my fault though don't eat toast at your computer >.<
[03:44:17] <SpallsHurgenson> Dell, Dell, HP, Apple, IBM, Acer... yup, still have a Toshiba. It's the one with the dead screen. But it does have that fancy fingerprint scanner :)
[03:44:57] <Konomi> mine lacks a fignerprint scanner
[03:45:05] <Konomi> which is good cause I hate them
[03:45:06] <SpallsHurgenson> don't worry, they don't really work :)
[03:45:32] <chromas> they're a good thing. you can use them to collect other people's finger prints
[03:46:00] <chromas> then frame them for stuff
[03:46:24] <Konomi> just enter your biometric information into my computer mwahaha
[03:47:38] * chromas wonders if any 3d printers have the precision to draw finger prints at the right scale
[03:48:56] <chromas> "We got a match! But uh, well the prints must belong to a giant. Enhance!"
[03:53:24] <SpallsHurgenson> <sigh> Xmas is rapidly approaching
[03:54:04] * SpallsHurgenson starts making lists
[03:54:08] <silverly> christmas is weird, i think its something like 60% of annual sales happen in december
[03:56:51] <SpallsHurgenson> especially of ugly ties :)
[03:57:00] <juggs> idiots will be idiots
[03:57:02] <JamesNZ> So.... what you all getting me? ;)
[03:57:14] <SpallsHurgenson> coffee :)
[03:57:16] <chromas> a coffee++ mug
[03:57:22] <JamesNZ> LOL.
[03:57:37] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[03:57:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 930
[03:57:55] * JamesNZ hugs his cat mug
[03:57:59] <juggs> ohh - reminds me - need to crank out the 2014 SN Stein swag to empty all your wallets
[04:00:08] <chromas> 2015. Start early, like card
[04:00:17] <chromas> cars
[04:04:26] <SpallsHurgenson> still waiting for the soylent news contraceptive collection
[04:07:29] <chromas> it didn't come?
[04:08:12] <SpallsHurgenson> of course it did, that's why I need the collection
[04:13:22] <Konomi> http://hackaday.com
[04:13:22] <netctl> ^ 03[Sprite_TM]?s Keyboard Plays Snake | Hackaday
[04:14:05] <SpallsHurgenson> I feel so old fashioned; none of my keyboards light up :(
[04:15:25] <chromas> do they have the f-keys down the side, adn there's only four of them?
[04:15:27] <juggs> do you own a horse too?
[04:15:57] <SpallsHurgenson> the horse has f-keys down the side
[04:16:41] <juggs> does it have stripes though?
[04:16:56] <chromas> Is this the AT socket on the back, under the tassel?
[04:17:17] * SpallsHurgenson is a fan of the $15 keytronic keyboards... mostly because they don't have any annoying wrist-rest
[04:17:25] <chromas> oh and does it lack a name?
[04:18:18] <JamesNZ> Is it bad when your project is nearly 40% makefile?
[04:18:22] <Landon> yes
[04:18:26] <Landon> migrate to cmake :)
[04:18:51] <Landon> I heartily recommend an alphagrip for anyone who thinks they may have some RSI issues
[04:18:53] <Landon> or carpal tunnel
[04:19:00] * JamesNZ looks into it
[04:19:10] <Landon> even if it's not a replacement for coding, use it for web browsing/documentation lookup
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[04:19:30] <SpallsHurgenson> I preferred cheap keyboards, a wrist-brace, and two years of people asking me if I bowl :)
[04:19:36] <Landon> hah
[04:20:15] <Landon> when you think about it though... $100+ for a keyboard compared to taking time for doctors visits
[04:20:21] <Landon> maybe I'm the only one that hates going out in public that much
[04:22:00] <SpallsHurgenson> bah, Real Men (tm) don't go to doctors; they suffer the pain stoically :)
[04:22:43] <juggs> xD openvpn established from my LAN border router to my overseas box. Tomorrow's job - twat about with making it the default route
[04:23:03] <SpallsHurgenson> (with the aid of whiskey)
[04:23:12] <Landon> that might be my issue
[04:23:15] <Landon> can't stand alcohol
[04:23:33] <Landon> it's fine once I cook all the alcohol out, but can't straight up drink it
[04:24:54] <juggs> what effects do you get Landon?
[04:25:02] <Landon> alcohol?
[04:25:07] <Landon> unbearably bitter
[04:25:15] <Landon> I'm not a supertaster either, so I don't know
[04:25:25] <Landon> but champagne, wine, beer, etc
[04:26:18] <juggs> odd - but hey-ho, you're not missing much other than the opportunity to fuck your brain and liver
[04:27:17] <Konomi> SpallsHurgenson: I'm glad none of my keyboards are programmable like I need another security vector to think about
[04:28:04] <chromas> you could bash script them
[04:28:54] * juggs passes Konomi the specially crafted tinfoil hat - look it has pink ponies on it! No need to worry about the chip module at the back, that's just so we can track our products in case they need recall
[04:30:20] <SpallsHurgenson> awww, I wanted a pony
[04:30:51] <juggs> I get worried plugging in a USB < PS/2 converter - I mean wtf could go wrong there? Open it up... convenient blob of plastic shit deposited on the one chip in it... ooh that fills me with confidence.
[04:32:24] <juggs> firewall++
[04:32:24] <Bender> karma - firewall: 1
[04:41:50] * SpallsHurgenson listens to radio for a while so he can hear some new songs to hate
[04:42:26] <juggs> what kind of music do you like SpallsHurgenson ?
[04:43:35] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm eclectic; I listen to classical, diaphonic chanting, gangster rap, 80s pop, death metal, jazz... I like individual songs, not styles :)
[04:44:37] <SpallsHurgenson> which is why pandora and other streaming sites NEVER work for me :)
[04:49:14] <juggs> nod nod
[04:49:24] <juggs> sounds like my collection
[04:51:20] <juggs> some things though you need to listen to the entire album to hear the story e.g. Sabbat - Dreamweaver is based on the book Way Of The Wyrd - wouldn't make sense to listen to just one track from that.
[04:59:03] <SpallsHurgenson> wait... the radio just called a song from the '90s "classic rock".
[04:59:07] <SpallsHurgenson> STOP MAKING ME FEEL OLD!
[05:05:26] * JamesNZ gets SpallsHurgenson a cane for christmas
[05:06:55] <SpallsHurgenson> it's not a cane! it's a hiking stick!
[05:07:42] <JamesNZ> People don't usually use hiking sticks around the house :D
[05:07:58] <Konomi> feels like I need a walking stick just fit in around here ._.
[05:08:00] * Konomi runs for it
[05:08:03] <SpallsHurgenson> ummm... it's a big house?
[05:09:17] <juggs> that's no cane or hiking stick - it's a swordstick!
[05:09:58] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, I wish. I've looked for something like that (one that works well as both a sword /and/ a cane^h^h^h^h hiking stick
[05:10:03] <SpallsHurgenson> )
[05:10:30] <SpallsHurgenson> but most are pretty flimsy
[05:10:57] <juggs> I suspect they are illegal to posses in public here, most things are after all.
[05:11:23] <Konomi> http://www.imdb.com
[05:11:24] <netctl> ^ 03Blind Fury (1989) - IMDb
[05:11:25] <JamesNZ> A swordstick would be quite cool.
[05:11:27] <Konomi> my nan always liked this movie
[05:11:33] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm absolutely positive they are illegal to carry about in public here too
[05:11:37] <juggs> Intoxicated in charge of a pair of legs.... /do not pass Go, proceed to jail
[05:11:37] <Konomi> his walking cane is actually a stick
[05:11:40] <SpallsHurgenson> at least in The City(tm)
[05:11:42] <Konomi> erm a sword
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[05:19:11] <juggs> I feel conflicted as to whether I feel safer walking around a place where all weapons are proscribed (UK - just call the cops if shit happens), or the alternative where everyone carries a deadly weapon (Some states US - concealed carry) - premise an armed populace is a polite populace. Answers on a postcard without US constitution BS pls :D
[05:20:02] <SpallsHurgenson> even in "those states" most people are NOT carrying. Americans aren't always going around armed :)
[05:21:01] <Leebert> Depends on how useful the cops, how thuggish the criminals, and how stupid the armed populace.
[05:21:19] <Leebert> All three vary wildy in the US.
[05:23:20] <Leebert> e.g., in an inner city with an inept and corrupt police force riddled with violent crime where the people carrying are wise old men that were in the Marine Corps in their youth... It's probably quite useful. :)
[05:23:25] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, for sure. But the point is you never know who is carrying, so politeness is the default. Perhaps that could be considered universal fear.
[05:24:00] <SpallsHurgenson> a better armed populace would probably help solve all three problems (even if only by EIA :)
[05:25:18] <Leebert> Dunno. I think if the armed populace were a bunch of usually drunk pissing match thugs or hillbillies, things could go all Dodge City quite quickly. :)
[05:25:21] <juggs> Leebert, ya, giving every UK resident a firearm right now would end very badly. Some people would shoot themselves accidentally for sure.
[05:26:23] <Leebert> The situation in the US right now at least, from my observation, is that in most locales concealed carry permits are typically rarely sought after or issued, so the people who get them tend to be motivated and better trained and experienced.
[05:26:38] <SpallsHurgenson> the gun-culture of the Wild West has been wildly exagerated by Hollywood
[05:26:42] <Leebert> Hence there's usually a degree of levelheadedness in their use.
[05:26:58] <SpallsHurgenson> IIRC, gun ownership was lower back then than it is today
[05:27:12] <Leebert> I was referring to the hollywoodized version. :)
[05:28:00] <Leebert> Sigh. I'm afraid to look at my work calendar to see what time I actually have to be there in the morning...
[05:28:15] <juggs> about 2 hours Leebert
[05:28:32] <SpallsHurgenson> sick day!
[05:28:41] <juggs> They call me ciri, but I ignore that
[05:29:42] <JamesNZ> jiri?
[05:31:42] <juggs> umagerds JamesNZ I thought you said JIRA and I had a PTSD moment
[05:32:10] <JamesNZ> ~define jira
[05:32:10] <SpallsHurgenson> heh, JIRA.
[05:32:13] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3Jira: Jira: a person that is the epitome of da perfect girl, which means only the sexiest, prettiest, cutest,sweetest,coolest, greatest,smartest, alluring,lovely,sepsho, worlds one and only beauty, appealin...
[05:32:25] <SpallsHurgenson> it's an issue tracker
[05:32:29] <JamesNZ> Erm, no, not what I meant :P
[05:32:32] <JamesNZ> Oh.
[05:32:38] <SpallsHurgenson> terrible interface, slow, horrible :)
[05:32:39] <chromas> sepsho?
[05:32:55] <JamesNZ> Not what I meant either :P
[05:35:37] <chromas> it's a "word" in the definition
[05:36:16] * chromas has 38 flash plugin-container processes running :|
[05:37:17] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson++
[05:37:17] <Bender> karma - spallshurgenson: 9
[05:37:20] <chromas> these must not be processes; everything is in the list many times. htop--
[05:38:12] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[05:38:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 929
[05:38:32] <SpallsHurgenson> yay, at last my experience with JIRA has paid off!
[05:38:59] <JamesNZ> Shhh, you'll give juggs PTSD again :P
[05:39:01] <Leebert> wait, what? JIRA is enterprise software. How could it have a crappy interface?
[05:39:37] * juggs vomits and curls up in the corner
[05:39:40] <JamesNZ> Because, well, enterprise. https://github.com
[05:39:40] <netctl> ^ 03EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition · GitHub
[05:42:12] <Leebert> heh
[05:46:26] <SpallsHurgenson> ah well... time for the Sunday Shutdown. All computers go sleepy niw
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[05:49:07] * chromas is still looking for where the actual output takes place
[05:53:35] <JamesNZ> Obviously you're not an enterprise-level coder then :P
[05:53:59] <chromas> I'm sure I could muster up something indecipherable were someone to pay me for it :)
[05:54:07] <JamesNZ> Heh.
[05:54:15] <chromas> but now I figured out I was still in the interfaces section
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[05:56:12] * chromas decrements java's karma variable
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[06:11:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NYC High School Teaches Students how to Behave during Stop-and-Frisk - http://sylnt.us - life-skills
[06:12:04] <crutchy> coffee++
[06:12:04] <Bender> karma - coffee: 930
[06:47:17] <Landon> chromas: that's not half bad at all
[06:47:35] <Landon> on HN pretty recently, there was a blog post of someone that made the game of life in _C++ templates_
[06:47:36] <Landon> f that
[06:47:41] <Landon> I couldn't make heads or tails of it
[06:50:05] <Alberto> acid++
[06:50:05] <Bender> karma - acid: 2
[06:50:17] <crutchy> base++ :p
[06:50:17] <Bender> karma - base: 1
[06:50:32] <Alberto> acid++
[06:50:32] <Bender> karma - acid: 3
[06:51:51] <ar> the person who did old version of zabbix-java-gateway ubuntu package, apparently, had too much acid
[06:51:54] <ar> /usr/sbin/zabbix_java/lib/logback.xml
[06:52:14] <ar> that's not high on the list of paths where i would be looking for configuration files
[06:52:26] <crutchy> what sick fuck came up the the 'diaper surprise' dolls?
[06:52:45] <crutchy> they're all over kids tv here :/
[06:52:48] <juggs> right - who needs kicking?
[06:53:04] <crutchy> hey juggs
[06:53:41] <crutchy> how goes stuff?
[06:53:47] <juggs> hai crutchy
[06:53:49] <crutchy> ooh i haven't checked the stick pic
[06:54:14] <crutchy> oh we kinda got 3 little islands going now
[06:54:25] <crutchy> two of them have a bridge
[06:54:50] * crutchy makes a bridge to the other... poutine
[06:54:57] <Alberto> acid++
[06:54:57] <Bender> karma - acid: 4
[06:55:07] <Alberto> ar, then zabbix-- ?
[06:56:01] <ar> Alberto: newer versions have it fixed
[06:56:53] <juggs> poutine++ #it's rude not to listen
[06:56:53] <Bender> karma - poutine: -362
[06:57:14] <Landon> !whydown poutine
[06:57:14] <Bender> reasons for karmadown are: for old times sake
[06:58:46] <crutchy> juggs?
[07:00:50] <Alberto> poutine--
[07:00:50] <Bender> karma - poutine: -363
[07:02:59] <keplr> I've never had poutine, and I missed my chance when living in Washington I think.
[07:03:20] <keplr> Never went to Canada, and it was right there.
[07:04:37] <juggs> crutchy?
[07:05:10] <crutchy> oh lol i was just wondering what the poutine++ thing was about
[07:05:28] * crutchy isn't very up to speed with the infamous poutine
[07:05:58] <Landon> big on the naysaying when we were getting started
[07:06:02] <Landon> but not as much on the contribution
[07:06:04] <Landon> you know the type
[07:06:28] <keplr> It's just fries and cheese with gravy, right?
[07:07:42] <keplr> They should be right behind us in obesity then.
[07:08:30] <crutchy> rain++
[07:08:30] <Bender> karma - rain: 1
[07:08:32] <Alberto> hum
[07:08:35] <Alberto> keplr is a bot?
[07:08:41] <crutchy> lol
[07:08:41] <ciri> lol damn!
[07:08:51] <crutchy> yes. yes it is
[07:08:59] <Alberto> that explains all
[07:09:02] <keplr> Yeah, I'm a bot, you've got me.
[07:09:06] <juggs> crutchy, just my open arms
[07:09:16] <crutchy> i'm a bot too... and so is my wife!
[07:09:52] <Alberto> crutchy wifi!
[07:09:57] <Alberto> keplr, !commands
[07:10:09] <keplr> Darmok and Jalad
[07:10:19] <crutchy> if only i could turn my wife on like i can my wifi
[07:11:36] <Alberto> keplr !Jalad
[07:11:45] <keplr> Sokath, his eyes uncovered
[07:11:46] <Alberto> crutchy that bot isn't funny =/
[07:11:56] <Alberto> keplr !die
[07:12:02] <keplr> Ouch!
[07:12:07] <Alberto> o.O
[07:12:18] <keplr> I'm a reverse Turing test, btw
[07:12:37] <crutchy> keplr... now you gots a free jibberish pass
[07:12:38] <keplr> I'm able to check if you're human.
[07:13:26] <crutchy> check me! check me!
[07:13:31] * crutchy bends over
[07:13:41] <keplr> crutchy: It looks like you're trying to write a letter!
[07:14:12] <crutchy> that's disburbent accuratenessness
[07:14:58] <crutchy> has anyone actually clicked 'yes' when clippy asks if you want help?
[07:15:06] <crutchy> does it explode?
[07:15:20] <keplr> I never did
[07:15:35] * juggs gifts crutchy pheromones, ropes & and a sailors guide to knots. Have fun.
[07:15:36] <keplr> Probably a very shallow help wizard
[07:15:36] <Alberto> What's a clippy?
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[07:16:38] <crutchy> it's what systemd wants to be when it grows up
[07:17:35] * juggs grinds teeth
[07:18:14] <keplr> teething grinding: bruxism
[07:18:17] <Alberto> crutchy so is like youporn
[07:18:42] <keplr> lol teething
[07:18:42] <ciri> lol that's funny!
[07:18:53] <keplr> Don't pretend to be a bot when drunk.
[07:19:02] * crutchy offers keplr some ceda gel for bots
[07:19:30] <keplr> A labmate of mine did some work on teeth grinding
[07:19:44] <Alberto> keplr !google regex
[07:19:47] <crutchy> was it scvhost?
[07:20:01] * Alberto don't understand the usage of keplr
[07:20:08] <Alberto> and that bot talks too much
[07:20:20] <keplr> svchost, surely
[07:20:37] <keplr> I'm not a bot >:(
[07:21:04] <Alberto> YES YOU ARE! Behave!
[07:21:07] <crutchy> Alberto, don't believe it. it has the pinoccio virus
[07:21:16] <Alberto> crutchy lol
[07:21:33] <ar> >Due to the hot season coming, it will be cost more time than usual
[07:21:42] <crutchy> it wants to byte you on the i++
[07:21:42] <keplr> I use the same account on SN, I'm clearly generated by Amazon.com mechanical Turks.
[07:22:54] <keplr> Every Turing test chat bot I've ever seen has been defeated by simply asking it the same question twice.
[07:23:30] <ar> keplr: What time is it?
[07:23:30] <keplr> Although once that's known it becomes a simple special case hack to change the response.
[07:23:38] <keplr> 23:23
[07:23:41] <ar> keplr: What time is it?
[07:23:42] <juggs> .deop
[07:23:42] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o juggs] by juggler
[07:24:02] <keplr> Still 23:23
[07:24:03] * Konomi sings the "never got mod points song when I need em"
[07:24:14] <juggs> .devoice
[07:24:14] -!- mode/#Soylent [-v juggs] by juggler
[07:26:11] <ar> .demonize
[07:26:38] <crutchy> .voice juggs
[07:26:39] <Konomi> .deguass
[07:26:54] <crutchy> .poke Konomi
[07:27:05] <crutchy> rain++
[07:27:05] <Bender> karma - rain: 2
[07:27:54] <juggs> degauss++ # just for the ~bmph~ noise
[07:27:54] <Bender> karma - degauss: 1
[07:28:00] <crutchy> we don't have a poke command. how can we be kitch like fb without a poke coomand?
[07:30:43] <juggs> eep, I remember >POKE 52532 BLAH to get game cheats on the zxspectrum
[07:31:24] <juggs> just poke shit into memory unhindered
[07:33:30] <Alberto> .kick juggs :D
[07:33:48] <juggs> :D
[07:34:10] <ar> .jugg juggs
[07:36:11] <juggs> oh my word. I'm off to have insane hallucinations while physically incapacitated. Be well peeps
[07:36:45] <Konomi> okay then ;p
[07:36:56] <crutchy> oook
[07:37:28] <Alberto> crutchy crutchy crutchy
[07:37:34] <Subsentient> crutchy:
[07:37:39] <Alberto> want to join Warzone 2100 ? its a game with tanks
[07:37:44] <Subsentient> crutchy: we gonna do some Warzone 2100
[07:37:47] <Alberto> and we must kill Subsentient
[07:37:49] <Subsentient> you better join
[07:37:49] <crutchy> and sausages!?
[07:37:52] <Subsentient> I can kill you all
[07:37:53] <Subsentient> $wz
[07:37:54] <aqu4> 3[1 of 1] Name: Hebat Game (masuk) | Map: NTW_3v3wBasesNew-T1 | Host: BoomEi | Players: 2/6 | IP: 36.73.143.26 | Version: 3.1.1
[07:37:59] <Alberto> AHAAAAAAA
[07:38:06] <Alberto> Konomi we need you too
[07:38:12] <Alberto> juggs ur invited too
[07:38:19] <Alberto> join #wz
[07:38:19] <Subsentient> $godzilla
[07:38:20] * aqu4 turns into Godzilla and begins to wreak havoc upon you all
[07:38:20] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[07:38:21] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[07:38:22] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[07:38:23] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[07:38:24] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[07:38:24] * aqu4 eats poutine
[07:38:25] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[07:38:25] <Konomi> hmm?
[07:38:26] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[07:38:27] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[07:38:28] * aqu4 craps out poutine on AndyTheAbsurd
[07:38:28] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[07:38:29] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[07:38:30] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[07:38:31] <aqu4> *ROMP*
[07:38:32] * aqu4 slowly shrinks back to normal size and scampers off
[07:38:34] <crutchy> it's gojira!
[07:38:47] <Alberto> =p
[07:38:53] <crutchy> i know cos that dumb chick off te movie told me :p
[07:38:59] <Alberto> We need another channel Subsentient
[07:39:07] <Alberto> or juggs will kick us
[07:39:12] <crutchy> #wombats_are_fat
[07:39:15] <Subsentient> Alberto: the warzone channel is #warzone2100-games on freenode
[07:39:24] <Subsentient> also, I have #derp here on soylent
[07:39:25] <Alberto> This is Soylent
[07:39:31] <Alberto> or Sparta?
[07:39:32] <Alberto> :D
[07:39:45] <crutchy> alberto... /list
[07:39:52] <Alberto> crutchy go #derp
[07:39:57] <Alberto> Konomi join us?
[07:40:46] <crutchy> ~x open poke
[07:40:47] <exec> script "poke" opened for editing by crutchy in #soylent
[07:43:07] <Konomi> wombats are also extremely grumpy
[07:45:48] <crutchy> if ((substr(strtolower($trailing),0,6)==".poke ") and (users_nick_exists($nick)==True)) { pm_action($dest," pokes ".substr($trailing,6)); }
[07:46:03] <crutchy> ~x add if ((substr(strtolower($trailing),0,6)==".poke ") and (users_nick_exists($nick)==True)) { pm_action($dest," pokes ".substr($trailing,6)); }
[07:46:04] <exec> script line appended
[07:46:18] * crutchy facepalms
[07:46:20] <ar> o_O that smells like bad code
[07:46:30] <crutchy> stinky php
[07:46:35] <crutchy> ~x enable
[07:46:36] <exec> error: script name not specified
[07:46:39] <Alberto> .poke crutchy
[07:46:41] <crutchy> oops
[07:46:44] <crutchy> ~x enable poke
[07:46:45] <exec> script "poke" enabled
[07:46:47] <Alberto> .poke crutchy
[07:46:55] <Alberto> worked? :D
[07:46:59] <Subsentient> $burrito crutchy
[07:46:59] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at crutchy
[07:47:01] <crutchy> stinky code
[07:47:02] <Alberto> .poke Alberto
[07:47:13] <Alberto> $burrito aqu4
[07:47:13] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Alberto
[07:47:39] <Subsentient> Alberto: that's what you get.
[07:48:15] <Alberto> $tequila Subsentient
[07:48:19] <crutchy> hmm maybe it can't find users_nick_exists
[07:48:19] <Subsentient> $commands
[07:48:19] <aqu4> Commands with 1 star = admins only, 2 stars = owners only. Commands available:
[07:48:20] <aqu4> burrito, beer, godzilla4**, wz, guessinggame, sr, time, title, ddg, coin, seen, tell, sticky, replace, whoami, tail8*, msg8*, memsg8*, noticemsg8*, chanctl8*, join8*, part8*, debug8*, nickchange4**, admin4**, blacklist8*, netwrite4**, quit4**, restart4**, help, commands
[07:48:20] <Alberto> bleh :/
[07:48:35] <Alberto> oh i remember i installed my own aqu4 from your repo :P
[07:48:48] <Subsentient> Alberto: yeah lol
[07:48:55] <Alberto> but his name isn't allowed here
[07:48:57] <Subsentient> Alberto: She's constantly updated.
[07:49:00] <Alberto> its TheMightyButtzzard
[07:49:08] <Alberto> and juggs don't like it
[07:49:10] <crutchy> ~x replace L1 if (substr(strtolower($trailing),0,6)==".poke ") { pm_action($dest," pokes ".substr($trailing,6)); }
[07:49:11] <exec> error: invalid replace syntax
[07:49:11] <Subsentient> lol
[07:49:12] <ciri> lol that's funny!
[07:49:20] <Subsentient> Alberto: Want a Windows executable?
[07:50:05] <Alberto> Subsentient, no thanks! i prefer to bot on Linux :p
[07:50:14] <Subsentient> Alberto: Will do.
[07:50:25] <Subsentient> Alberto: I'm proud of her cross platform-ness, especially for a C bot.
[07:50:41] <crutchy> ~x add if (substr(strtolower($trailing),0,6)==".poke ") { pm_action($dest," pokes ".substr($trailing,6)); }
[07:50:43] <exec> script line appended
[07:50:52] <crutchy> .poke Alberto
[07:50:52] <exec> ACTION pokes Alberto
[07:50:52] <exec> ACTION pokes Alberto
[07:50:54] <Alberto> Subsentient migwin
[07:50:54] <Alberto> ?
[07:50:59] * crutchy facepalms
[07:51:01] <Alberto> .poke Subsentient
[07:51:02] <exec> ACTION pokes Subsentient
[07:51:09] <Subsentient> Alberto: I use MinGW yeah.
[07:51:14] <crutchy> ~x disable poke
[07:51:15] <exec> script "poke" disabled
[07:51:17] <Subsentient> also builds and runs on OS X, Haiku, BSD, etc
[07:51:20] <crutchy> i give up
[07:51:20] <Alberto> ~delete poke
[07:51:21] <Alberto> lol
[07:51:28] <Alberto> Subsentient ANDROID?=
[07:51:29] <Alberto> :D
[07:51:33] <Subsentient> Alberto: probably.
[07:51:33] * crutchy isn't qualified to make a poke thingy
[07:51:48] <Subsentient> Alberto: You might have to build with USECURL=NO but yeah it should work
[07:52:04] <crutchy> ~x close
[07:52:05] <exec> script "poke" closed by crutchy in #soylent
[07:52:15] <Alberto> crutchy T_T
[07:52:26] <Alberto> Subsentient i will try to run on Cyanomodgen
[07:52:30] <Alberto> and report back
[07:52:30] <Alberto> lol
[07:52:39] <Alberto> brb
[07:52:39] <ciri> where you going? Alberto
[07:52:47] <Alberto> crutchy got wz2100 ?
[07:53:02] <crutchy> nah i don't listen to hiphop
[07:54:15] <crutchy> ~x delete-script poke
[07:54:17] <exec> deleted script "poke"
[07:54:33] <crutchy> hmm
[07:54:49] <Subsentient> $memsg #Soylent pokes crutchy
[07:54:49] <aqu4> Ok.
[07:54:50] * aqu4 pokes crutchy
[07:54:59] <crutchy> ~x list
[07:54:59] -!- SirFinkus has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com]
[07:55:01] <exec> no scripts available
[08:00:36] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:00:36] <Bender> karma - coffee: 929
[08:01:30] <Subsentient> Alberto: Download completed?
[08:05:20] -!- SirFinkus [SirFinkus!~SirFinkus@71.197.zmm.nkk] has joined #Soylent
[08:18:11] <crutchy> ~x open poke
[08:18:13] <exec> script "poke" opened for editing by crutchy in #soylent
[08:18:17] <crutchy> ~x add if (substr(strtolower($trailing),0,6)==".poke ") { pm_action($dest,"pokes ".substr($trailing,6)); }
[08:18:18] <exec> script line appended
[08:18:30] <crutchy> ~x enable poke
[08:18:31] <exec> script "poke" enabled
[08:18:36] <crutchy> .poke chromas
[08:18:37] * exec pokes chromas
[08:19:09] <chromas> .poke systemd
[08:19:10] * exec pokes systemd
[08:19:30] <chromas> ++.poke
[08:19:30] <netctl> Karma - .poke: 1
[09:05:27] <crutchy> ~last xlefay
[09:06:09] <exec> last privmsg for xlefay in #soylent: [2014-09-02 08:16:21] I need to eat some and get some sleep. I'll tty'all later ;-) Take care!
[09:06:29] <crutchy> :/
[09:06:35] <crutchy> .poke xlefay
[09:06:35] * exec pokes xlefay
[09:07:07] -!- JamesNZ has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[09:22:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SemiAccurate's Mantle vs. DirectX 11 Showdown - http://sylnt.us - semi-approximate
[09:26:55] <ar> http://gentooexperimental.org
[09:26:56] <netctl> ^ 03Patrick's playground: November 2014 Archives
[09:27:39] <chromas> https://news.ycombinator.com
[09:27:39] <netctl> ^ 03DBus, FreeDesktop, and lots of madness | Hacker News
[09:28:36] <chromas> "Careful! If you accidentally discover what dbus is for and why it is here, Lennart will immediately deprecate it and replace it with something even more bizarre and inexplicable! And we'll never interoperate and the year of the Linux desktop gets pushed back another decade or two..."
[09:39:55] <crutchy> think i might work on execfs whilst listening to some old madonna songs
[09:40:27] <chromas> those are the best madonna songs
[09:40:39] <chromas> the new stuff is totally gay
[09:40:44] <crutchy> when she actually kinda looked bangable
[09:40:46] <chromas> like eminem
[09:40:49] <chromas> kinda
[09:41:24] <crutchy> i dunno what year cherish was, but she looks alright in that
[10:38:09] -!- Subsentient1 [Subsentient1!~WhiteRat@216.161.ghn.ql] has joined #Soylent
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[11:09:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:09:05] <Bender> karma - coffee: 930
[11:16:20] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:16:20] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[11:20:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> madonna was quite bangable back in the 80s, yes.
[11:24:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.fanpop.com
[11:24:00] <netctl> ^ 03404 Not Found
[11:24:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> your fail, netctl. works peachy for me.
[11:28:34] <netctl> :(
[11:28:53] <Konomi> :)
[11:28:54] <netctl> I should start storing the html to disk for inspection
[11:29:49] * chromas wonders if slipping the bot name into the ua string affects it
[11:30:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> should only for messed up sites
[11:30:45] <crutchy> chromas, use a firefox UA
[11:30:50] <chromas> it does
[11:31:03] <crutchy> unmodified
[11:31:09] <chromas> Mozilla/5.0 (netctl; X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.7) Gecko/20140911 Firefox/24.7
[11:31:17] <chromas> I should probably use a windows one
[11:31:38] <chromas> =set .config/user_agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/36.0
[11:31:38] <netctl> k
[11:31:48] <crutchy> swish :D
[11:32:05] <crutchy> ~title http://www.fanpop.com
[11:32:07] <exec> 404 Not Found
[11:32:09] <chromas> =dump .titles.cache
[11:32:09] <netctl> k
[11:32:11] <crutchy> lol
[11:32:15] <chromas> wow
[11:32:19] <chromas> 385 caches titles
[11:32:32] <crutchy> wonder if it needs js
[11:32:46] <chromas> =clear .titles.cache
[11:32:49] <chromas> =!clear .titles.cache
[11:32:49] <netctl> k
[11:33:01] <chromas> http://www.fanpop.com
[11:33:01] <netctl> ^ 03404 Not Found
[11:33:04] <chromas> :(
[11:33:30] <crutchy> exec gets cockblocked too
[11:33:48] <chromas> did a straight curl and got the same
[11:34:09] <chromas> and wget. weird
[11:34:16] <crutchy> hmm
[11:34:30] <crutchy> i just figured out a potential vulnerability in exec
[11:34:49] <chromas> you strip newllnes right?
[11:34:55] <chromas> from the title
[11:35:12] <chromas> actually, could do it right before sending it out, so any source can't put newlines in
[11:35:28] <chromas> ar had a test page for that but I don't remember it
[11:36:55] <crutchy> ~title http://sylnt.us.to
[11:36:55] <exec> ~say test
[11:36:56] <exec> test
[11:37:01] <crutchy> :/
[11:37:06] <crutchy> pwned
[11:37:10] <chromas> I think rockrolls got better
[11:37:16] <chromas> s/o/i/
[11:37:16] <sedctl> <chromas> I think rickrolls got better
[11:37:23] <chromas> http://www.youtube.com
[11:37:24] <netctl> ^ 03"LET IT GO" FROZEN UKULELE COVER (FOR KIDS) - YouTube
[11:37:44] <chromas> (not literally a rickroll, but it's kind of the same; nsfw)
[11:37:55] <crutchy> lucky i figured that one out before poutine
[11:38:13] <crutchy> ~rehash
[11:38:15] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file (108 aliases)
[11:38:41] <chromas> what was it?
[11:38:53] <chromas> oh
[11:39:09] <chromas> ~say ~say ~say ~say
[11:39:10] <exec> ~say ~say ~say
[11:39:11] <exec> ~say ~say
[11:39:12] <exec> ~say
[11:39:21] <crutchy> open http://sylnt.us.to and check out the title
[11:39:21] <netctl> ^ 03~say test
[11:39:23] <chromas> ~say ~part
[11:39:24] <exec> ~part
[11:39:25] -!- exec [exec!~exec@utioner/T-800/BeVeryAfraid] has parted #Soylent
[11:39:31] -!- exec [exec!~exec@utioner/T-800/BeVeryAfraid] has joined #Soylent
[11:39:55] <crutchy> always a good idea to put a prefix eh
[11:39:55] <chromas> can you make exec ignore itself?
[11:40:08] <crutchy> could, but its more fun this way :p
[11:40:10] <chromas> I don't remember why it needed to do that
[11:40:18] <chromas> or maybe only allow it for certain events
[11:40:28] <crutchy> i just disabled the title script
[11:40:42] <crutchy> i'll put a comment in there about it though
[11:41:11] <chromas> maybe when it listens to itself, it could ignore ~commands or at least consider itself unprivileged
[11:41:40] <chromas> exec: say =poo
[11:41:43] <chromas> aw
[11:42:38] <crutchy> might be worth at least making a hardcoded setting to ignore itself or not
[11:42:44] <chromas> I wish KDE/e/x had the alt-#### thing from text mode and windows
[11:42:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, i think botctl needs the ability to load/reload/unload code from a file
[11:43:08] <chromas> a bucket switch
[11:43:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> something like but i want it entirely read-only
[11:43:32] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: modimify the ircd to allow unicode nicks
[11:43:50] <crutchy> TheMightyIRCD :D
[11:43:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> pffft... do i look like i want to play with c code?
[11:43:55] <chromas> then you can rename botctl to 💩
[11:44:10] <chromas> yes
[11:44:12] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, do it in perl
[11:44:22] <chromas> perlircdctl
[11:44:23] <chromas> d
[11:44:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> besides, it would take all of three minutes for some wiseass to figure out something i'd then have to fix.
[11:45:11] <Subsentient1> aqu4 does not listen to herself at all.
[11:45:19] <Subsentient1> She doesn't consider her own speech to be speech.
[11:45:20] <chromas> well first, unicode would be enabled and there'd be an announcement. then later on, you'd pour hours into it and enable it again
[11:45:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, neither does botctl
[11:45:28] <crutchy> [21:25:36] <crutchy> poutine, thanks for the tip on the /join 0 thing :D
[11:45:29] <crutchy> [21:26:18] <poutine> That was low hanging fruit, I think I can execute shell commands
[11:45:36] <crutchy> bastard left me hanging with that ^
[11:45:39] <crutchy> :D
[11:45:43] <chromas> everything's low-hanging fruit to poutine
[11:45:54] <chromas> except contributing
[11:46:17] <crutchy> got me all wet and then walked off
[11:46:26] <chromas> Bender: grab crutchy
[11:46:26] <Bender> Added quote 276
[11:47:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> he does that and half the time he's talking out his ass on anything big he teases
[11:47:22] <Konomi> crutchy: your bot got holes in it ;p ?
[11:47:30] <crutchy> prolly
[11:47:49] <crutchy> should rename it TheHolyBot :p
[11:47:59] <Konomi> so what is /join 0 triggering?
[11:48:07] <crutchy> try it >;-D
[11:48:28] <crutchy> bombs out of everything
[11:48:33] <Konomi> well I joined channel 0
[11:48:37] <chromas> some clients ignore it
[11:48:40] <Konomi> it's probably something php specific crutchy
[11:48:40] <crutchy> you did!?
[11:48:43] <Konomi> that's why I asked
[11:48:51] <chromas> yeah, some append a # before sending it
[11:48:55] <crutchy> nah it did the same thing in xchat
[11:48:57] <Konomi> 22:47 -!- Konomi [~Konomi@Soylent/Users/189/Konomi] has joined #0
[11:49:06] <crutchy> not #0, just 0
[11:49:15] <Konomi> that's wht I typed
[11:49:16] <Konomi> ;p
[11:49:25] <crutchy> client might auto-prefix
[11:49:37] <Konomi> superior irssi behavour
[11:49:40] <Konomi> ;p
[11:50:01] <Konomi> anyway what's it do?
[11:50:08] <chromas> if it doesn't, then for poorly-designed reasons, it makes you part all channels
[11:50:11] <Konomi> join every channel?
[11:50:19] <Konomi> odd
[11:50:23] <Konomi> is that part of hte irc spec?
[11:50:49] <Konomi> yep looks like
[11:51:27] <crutchy> https://tools.ietf.org
[11:51:27] <chromas> ah, finally some 'action' in #debianfork
[11:51:29] <netctl> ^ 03RFC 2812 - Internet Relay Chat: Client Protocol ( rfc2812.html )
[11:51:36] <Konomi> yep rfc
[11:51:40] <crutchy> JOIN 0 ; Leave all currently joined
[11:51:40] <crutchy> channels.
[11:51:45] <Konomi> chromas: what did they have a bowel movement?
[11:52:53] <Konomi> found another one
[11:52:59] <Konomi> /join #0,0
[11:53:04] <crutchy> yeah
[11:53:17] <chromas> GeneralStupid: we are working to setup the infrastructure and the first proof of concept of jessie cleaned
[11:53:17] <chromas> in a couple of days all will be online and public and we will start accepting contributions and new members for the forking project
[11:53:18] <crutchy> juggs posted a page with a few gotchas
[11:53:20] <Konomi> that might trigger it in my client
[11:53:48] <chromas> at least it's far, far less 4channy there than in #uselessd
[11:54:14] <chromas> though, for reasons unknown, nobody in irc seems to know about the trailing / in sed expressions
[11:54:35] <crutchy> tweaked my join script to this after: https://github.com
[11:54:36] <netctl> ^ 03exec-irc-bot/join.php at master · crutchy-/exec-irc-bot · GitHub
[11:54:59] <crutchy> borks if any channel in the list doesn't begin with #
[11:55:02] <crutchy> or &
[11:55:17] <chromas> ~join ~join
[11:55:25] <chromas> :(
[11:55:35] <chromas> if I do it, quassel-- prepends a #
[11:55:50] <chromas> =join ~join
[11:56:01] <chromas> 430 on such channel
[11:56:03] <chromas> 403
[11:56:14] <chromas> my finger has dylsexia
[11:57:18] <crutchy> hmm there's prolly a bit of redundant shit in my join script now
[11:57:53] <chromas> needs objects :D
[12:02:59] <Konomi> uselessd always amused me
[12:03:07] <Konomi> cause it doesn't sound like use_lessd
[12:03:13] <Konomi> or that systemd is useless
[12:03:19] <Konomi> just their init is useless...
[12:04:07] <chromas> the guy doing it wanted to strip out dbus and all the other ipc support. Took a bit of arguing with another guy to figure out he can't just have systemctl 'use the headers' to control the init
[12:05:11] <Konomi> their website is still awful idk how anyone can read that
[12:05:32] <Konomi> lol web of trust has it marked as a bad site...
[12:05:53] <Konomi> https://www.mywot.com
[12:05:54] <netctl> ^ 03debianfork.org | WOT Reputation Scorecard | WOT (Web of Trust)
[12:06:02] <Konomi> first site I've seen give a non green result xD
[12:06:17] <Konomi> may not be suitable for children
[12:06:23] <Konomi> oh I disagree wot
[12:06:24] <chromas> aw, I was just typing that
[12:06:28] <chromas> should've pasted
[12:06:31] <Konomi> it is very suitable for some children
[12:07:00] <crutchy> Konomi, looks like its unrated
[12:07:21] <Konomi> shows unsatisfactory to me
[12:07:26] <Konomi> as seen above
[12:08:03] <crutchy> nod. looks like unreated looks like this instead: https://www.mywot.com
[12:08:06] <netctl> ^ 03sylnt.us | WOT Reputation Scorecard | WOT (Web of Trust)
[12:08:36] <chromas> we should all rate it over nine thousand
[12:09:32] <crutchy> maybe we should write a script that rates soylentnews.org whenever someone does coffee++
[12:09:35] <chromas> http://upload.wikimedia.org
[12:10:01] <chromas> looks like they had emoji back then
[12:10:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Where the HELL is that Comcast Technician? There's an App for that. - http://sylnt.us - just-in-time-contractor
[12:10:28] <crutchy> no dog shit though
[12:10:34] <crutchy> not good enough
[12:10:39] <Konomi> you know the who debinafork site kinda looks like shit
[12:10:45] <Konomi> that scrolling bottom and top bar
[12:10:57] <Konomi> when did unix admins start like wordpress like pages
[12:11:03] <Konomi> liking*
[12:11:10] <crutchy> don't they have some kind of disclaimer about it?
[12:11:38] <crutchy> 'we make shit websites cos we are awesome at te codez'
[12:12:06] <Konomi> shit websites look better han their shit website
[12:12:07] <ciri> ok who left the pile of shit in the channel?
[12:12:13] <chromas> Konomi: you got it all wrong; it's webnomad
[12:12:15] <Konomi> you have to go out of your way to make a bar like that
[12:12:29] <crutchy> prolly used some dodgy framework
[12:12:32] <crutchy> frameworks--
[12:12:32] <Bender> karma - frameworks: -5
[12:12:35] <chromas> http://dyne.org
[12:12:37] <netctl> ^ 03WebNomad :: simple web design software ( https://www.dyne.org )
[12:13:31] <Konomi> gross
[12:13:43] <crutchy> wtf is with the scripty font
[12:14:00] <crutchy> web designers are like friggin architects
[12:15:05] <Konomi> heh sysvinit hasn't had a release in 5 years
[12:15:17] <crutchy> looks totally awesome in their mind, till people have to use them and realise the engineers had to put columns right in the walkway cos there was no other possible way of achieving the rediculous look that the architect wanted
[12:15:28] <chromas> that's because it's perfect; it's finishd—done, complet
[12:15:45] <crutchy> isn't sysvinit just a name?
[12:15:51] <chromas> crutchy: put the poles on the outside
[12:16:02] <chromas> and use cables :D
[12:16:03] <Konomi> no it's a project
[12:16:06] <chromas> suspension roof
[12:16:11] <Konomi> https://savannah.nongnu.org
[12:16:12] <netctl> ^ 03System V style init programs - Summary [Savannah]
[12:16:22] <chromas> oh yeah, systemd is taking away our choice
[12:16:32] <crutchy> you gotta make your own init scripts and then string em all together and wham bam thankyou ma'am... init :D
[12:16:33] <chromas> because everyone was using that one init; lots of choice
[12:16:48] <chromas> crutchy: that's funny, init
[12:16:50] <crutchy> well, the package maintains make the scripts
[12:16:57] <crutchy> lol
[12:16:57] <ciri> i missed it, what are you laughing at? >.>
[12:17:14] <crutchy> ciri you gotta be init to winit :D
[12:17:43] <crutchy> s/winit/win.ini/
[12:17:43] <sedctl> <crutchy> ciri you gotta be init to win.ini :D
[12:18:13] <chromas> also wininit.exe
[12:18:31] <crutchy> s/winit/autoexec.bat/
[12:18:31] <sedctl> <crutchy> ciri you gotta be init to autoexec.bat :D
[12:18:35] <crutchy> :/
[12:18:42] <crutchy> doesn't have the same ring
[12:19:34] <Konomi> chromas: have the debianfork people said anything retarded yet?
[12:20:01] <chromas> <TheSnide> http://uselessd.darknedgy.net sound interesting :)
[12:20:01] <netctl> ^ 03uselessd :: information system
[12:20:16] <crutchy> when debianfork releases, all the whiners are gunna find fault with something and bitch about it
[12:20:21] <Konomi> dark n edgy...
[12:20:42] <Konomi> hard-to-take-seriously
[12:21:05] <crutchy> debian should release honeypotctl.deb
[12:21:12] <crutchy> full of bugs
[12:21:26] <crutchy> and an auto 'fuck off' bucktracker reply
[12:21:40] <chromas> <TheSnide> will this be a fork or a blend ?
[12:21:40] <chromas> <nextime> TheSnide : initially it will be a blend to speed up things. Basically the first poc will be just a debian with pinned-out systemd as default init in pid 1. The second step will be to rebuild all packaged that depend on systemd, and put them on our repository, using debian repositories for the rest. Then, if the project will succeed in adoption and contributors, in future nothing stop to move to a complete fork if we will think is better to do tha
[12:21:40] <chromas> <nextime> s/packaged/packages
[12:21:40] <chromas> <TheSnide> nextime: sounds saner than some ideas around here :-)
[12:21:40] <chromas> <jaromil> TheSnide: this is a chat :^) and pretty hyped.
[12:21:42] <chromas> <TheSnide> jaromil: sysD tends to attract trolls like honey.
[12:21:44] <chromas> <jaromil> rest assured there are well experienced professionals behind this initiative and even some DDs
[12:21:50] <chromas> that's a little taller than I thought
[12:21:51] <crutchy> ooh DDs
[12:22:06] <chromas> DDs++
[12:22:06] <Bender> karma - dds: 1
[12:22:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, pix or gtfo
[12:22:11] <crutchy> i accept nothing less
[12:22:49] <chromas> Konomi: dark 'n' edgy is some sort of web forum thinger with an ircd where people talk 4chanish
[12:23:01] <chromas> with
[12:23:02] <chromas> many
[12:23:04] <chromas> linebreaks
[12:23:16] <Konomi> they're going to be playing whack a mole forever if they try this
[12:23:18] <crutchy> isn't that the batcave?
[12:23:20] <Konomi> will be very amusing
[12:23:22] <chromas> as far as I can tell, all dev on uselessd is one guy
[12:24:07] <Konomi> heh
[12:24:16] <chromas> with a couple others theoretically pitching in to port to freebsd and stuff
[12:24:25] <chromas> later
[12:24:40] <crutchy> maybe he's a sucker for punishment and wants in on poettering's action
[12:25:29] <crutchy> or maybe he just wants to have his own wikipedia page
[12:26:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> maybe he can't get any of the folks from irc to join the team and help out =P
[12:26:48] <Konomi> fedora fork seems to have vanished
[12:26:50] <crutchy> i think we should have a feed for the uselessd bitbucket repo eventually though
[12:26:54] <chromas> maybe if they weren't off on their own ircd
[12:26:54] <Konomi> I imagine this fork will too
[12:26:56] <chromas> :D
[12:27:05] <crutchy> seems like anything that comes out of there could be SoylentNewsworthy
[12:27:37] <crutchy> we might also be able to beat /. to the punch :p
[12:27:44] <chromas> just pipe it directly to the front page
[12:27:55] <crutchy> we have a ~submit script now :D
[12:28:19] <crutchy> maybe if there are more than a certain number of lines affected
[12:28:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> beating /. to the punch isn't worth the bother. beating ars or phys.org is what i enjoy.
[12:28:36] <chromas> for anyone who wants to peek, https://bitbucket.org
[12:28:37] <netctl> ^ 03bcsd / uselessd — Bitbucket
[12:29:34] <chromas> eight downloads :(
[12:29:52] <Konomi> lol
[12:30:00] <chromas> oh I guess that's number of items
[12:30:41] <crutchy> https://bitbucket.org
[12:30:49] <crutchy> *hint hint* :D
[12:32:03] <chromas> is it different from the github output?
[12:32:17] * chromas wonders if the existing code would read it
[12:32:24] <chromas> laze laze laze
[12:32:29] <crutchy> https://api.github.com
[12:32:42] <crutchy> github atleast has pretty_print
[12:33:07] <chromas> definitely different content
[12:33:41] <crutchy> different keys and arrangement, but prolly some similarities
[12:34:56] <chromas> bitbucket wraps it all up an a list or whatever the outer layer is
[12:36:02] <crutchy> you can specify the number of events you wanna get from bitbucket
[12:36:52] <crutchy> might be easier to decode it and then re-encode it pretty just so you can see wtf is going on
[12:38:43] <crutchy> dammit.fkin gedit is on the fritz
[12:38:51] <crutchy> having trouble loading from my nas
[12:38:54] <chromas> you didn't update it, did you?
[12:38:59] <chromas> oh
[12:39:04] <chromas> is the nas still on?
[12:39:11] <crutchy> can access it in nautilus
[12:39:14] <chromas> kate++
[12:39:14] <Bender> karma - kate: 2
[12:39:16] <crutchy> exec is using it
[12:39:41] <crutchy> doesn't crap out completely. just seems to go to sleep for a minute or so :/
[12:39:49] <crutchy> twice happened tonight now
[12:40:36] <chromas> didn't you have that problem when you first started using it that way?
[12:40:50] <crutchy> hmm 3rd time now
[12:41:11] <crutchy> might get out of it and reopen
[12:41:27] <crutchy> its prolly be open for a few days
[12:41:30] <crutchy> *been
[12:42:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:42:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[12:44:05] <crutchy> should make the poke script poke script poke the nick in a random different channel (that they're in) :D
[12:44:22] <crutchy> poke script poke script eh
[12:44:51] <chromas> .poke .poke .poke
[12:44:51] * exec pokes .poke .poke
[12:45:26] <crutchy> it turned out to be a file i had open via sftp on the webserver
[12:45:39] <crutchy> dunno why but ssh seems to lose connection after a while sometimes
[12:45:47] <crutchy> idle dropout maybe
[12:51:39] <crutchy> chromas, http://sylnt.us.to
[12:51:52] <crutchy> conversion of the bitbucket api json to pretty
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[12:56:33] <crutchy> anyway almost midnight on a work night. cyas tomorrow
[12:56:45] <chromas> see ya
[12:56:51] <chromas> ~g'night crutchy
[12:56:52] * exec clumsily passes a cheap plastic cup of ciri poo to crutchy
[12:56:56] <chromas> ~g'night botctl
[12:56:57] * exec prematurely throws an anvil of Debian at botctl
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[13:08:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ;pissoff
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[13:13:10] <chromas> ;pisson
[13:13:25] <chromas> probably needs a target
[13:14:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> needs moar coffee
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[13:36:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> there, that should be the last bounce.
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[14:55:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> okey doke, botctl can now load and unload arbitrary code at runtime.
[14:55:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> shouldn't be too many more join part messages now
[15:00:03] <Konomi> and make code injection a higher possibility \o/
[15:02:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> well yeah, but it only takes input in that sub from a file, so not much worry there.
[15:03:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> a file that it can only open read-only
[15:04:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> not going to be giving it an ;eval command, cause derp
[15:07:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly i did it cause i missed all the fun error/warning messages from slash. it wasn't giving any at all and now it does from redefining subs.
[15:10:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh yeah, i should have been doing slash coding today. oh well, too late now.
[15:11:01] <Konomi> ;p
[15:15:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://lists.gnu.org
[15:15:03] <netctl> ^ 03grep-2.21 released [stable]
[15:20:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Should Philae have been Nuclear? - http://sylnt.us - 20/20-hindsight
[15:27:37] <Konomi> grep sure getting updates lately
[15:36:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, it's odd for something so venerable but i've no objection to it getting faster.
[15:38:52] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[15:38:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[15:39:09] <Blackmoore> mornin
[16:02:58] <cykros> http://news.osu.edu just a reminder, eat your bacon :-)
[16:02:59] <netctl> ^ 03Study: Doubling Saturated Fat in the Diet Does Not Increase Saturated Fat in Blood | News Room - The Ohio State University
[16:03:37] <cykros> (nitrite free of course)
[16:04:34] <cykros> oh, whoa, nevermind that, turns out i'm perpetuating a common myth in saying that anyway
[16:04:52] * cykros didn't hear the news that nitrates/nitrites had been exonerated
[16:06:35] <cykros> though the store i shop at has the nitrate/nitrite free thick cut bacon as the cheapest option anyway
[16:06:40] <cykros> so i'll probably stick with it.
[16:08:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> nitrates are awesome because they make things go boom, bacon is awesome because it's bacon.
[16:08:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Blackmoore
[16:08:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[16:08:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 934
[16:16:36] <Blackmoore> morinin TheMightyBuzzard
[16:25:06] <cykros> ugh, i think i still have to wait for another week of work under my belt before i can reasonably replenish my coffee supplies at home. luckily, the coffee at work is damn near unbeatable and for all intents and purposes unlimited to me
[16:25:27] <cykros> as long as the whiskey supplies are good at home, the coffee supplies just need to be full at work :-)
[16:26:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> see that doesn't work for me cause i work from home mostly
[16:26:13] * cykros feels the beginnings of a basic facebook app style resource management game based around coffee, whiskey, and bacon
[16:26:37] <cykros> i normally keep a well stocked home, but i was off work from mid june until 2 weeks ago.
[16:26:46] <cykros> my checking account got down to $0.05
[16:27:18] <cykros> not between jobs or anything, just that my workplace moved and it took a lot longer to get reopened than expected.
[16:27:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> ouch
[16:27:56] <Blackmoore> my whiskey supplies are pretty damn low after the storm last week.
[16:27:58] <cykros> yea, gave me time to learn IOS and enjoy the summer anyway
[16:28:10] <cykros> but it's time to get the reserves back up to reasonable
[16:28:22] <cykros> and with christmas around the corner, that may be yet a bit of an uphill battle
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[16:41:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, mechanicjay
[16:45:43] <Konomi> https://i.imgur.com
[16:45:45] <Konomi> brp
[16:50:05] <mechanicjay> Hey TMB
[16:50:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, sweet
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[17:40:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> stupid people make me tired. smart people believing something idiotic is even worse.
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[19:31:56] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[19:31:56] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
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[20:14:03] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[20:14:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> good nap
[20:14:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[20:14:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 934
[20:40:55] <crutchy> first_coffee_of_the_day++
[20:40:55] <Bender> karma - first_coffee_of_the_day: 5
[20:41:53] * crutchy had an idea for TheMightyBot
[20:42:44] <crutchy> a fishing game, of reflexes and skill, and social drinking
[20:42:55] <crutchy> coffee++ of course :D
[20:42:55] <Bender> karma - coffee: 935
[20:43:38] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[20:43:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 934
[20:43:41] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[20:43:41] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[20:44:34] <crutchy> anti-bot measures would be tricky, but using notices for 'bites' might eliminate most of the self-contained bots. client scripting could be tricky though
[20:45:50] <crutchy> s/notices/pms even/
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[21:24:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> no game
[21:24:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> bot must be useful
[21:24:54] * crutchy is chucking some bitbucket api code into the github feed script atm
[21:25:05] <crutchy> prolly wont finish before i gotta go to work though :/
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[21:26:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> sweet, i broke em
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[21:29:33] <crutchy> ~rehash
[21:29:34] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file (109 aliases)
[21:29:40] <crutchy> ~bitbucket
[21:31:15] <crutchy> ~bitbucket
[21:31:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh, was a crash from a library i was using
[21:31:54] <crutchy> ~bitbucket
[21:32:01] <crutchy> crap
[21:32:38] <crutchy> ~bitbucket
[21:32:43] <JamesNZ> Need to discipline your bots crutchy.
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[21:33:05] <crutchy> bots? i only have 1
[21:33:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> stoopid thing
[21:33:18] <JamesNZ> Oh, thought you had moar.
[21:33:47] <crutchy> it's one bot to drool on them all :p
[21:34:11] <JamesNZ> Hah :P
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[21:35:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> ....
[21:35:21] <crutchy> better go to workipoos. bitbucket will have to wait :(
[21:35:26] <crutchy> see yas later
[21:35:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[21:35:30] <JamesNZ> Have fun \o
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[21:56:51] <chromas> heh, upstart has a library called "nih"
[21:57:04] <chromas> http://rachelbythebay.com
[21:57:05] <netctl> ^ 03Kill init by touching a bunch of files
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[22:05:59] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[22:05:59] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[22:14:32] <silverly> tea++
[22:14:32] <Bender> karma - tea: 274
[22:14:42] <silverly> whodown tea
[22:14:44] <silverly> ~whodown tea
[22:14:56] <chromas> !
[22:15:02] <JamesNZ> !whodown tea
[22:15:02] <Bender> downers of tea are: chromas: -23, crutchy: -7, SedBot2: -7, mattie_p: -3, Alberto: -3, TheMightyBuzzard: -2, Ethanol-fueled: -2, Blackmoore: -1, arti: -1
[22:15:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[22:15:11] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[22:15:15] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[22:15:15] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[22:15:18] <JamesNZ> !whodown coffee
[22:15:18] <Bender> downers of coffee are: ar: -605, JamesNZ: -370, swiss: -33, SpallsHurgenson: -29, geotti: -13, TheMightyBuzzard: -12, TheMightyTest: -11, crutchy: -7, aqu4: -3, Subsentient: -3, NCommander: -2, SirFinkus: -2, prospectacle: -2, chromas: -1, chimp: -1, AndyTheAbsurd: -1, Dickcheese-Smegma: -1, juggs: -1, unixpickle: -1, DrMag: -1, ar_: -1, Azrael: -1
[22:15:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[22:15:23] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[22:15:38] <JamesNZ> So in other words, coffee sucks more than tea ;)
[22:15:40] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[22:15:40] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[22:16:08] <chromas> Tea just has more turdburglars :)
[22:16:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++ #shouldn't ping me if you want to get away with your dastardly plan
[22:16:11] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[22:16:25] <JamesNZ> ~define turdburglars
[22:16:27] <swiss> coffee--
[22:16:27] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[22:16:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[22:16:32] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[22:16:36] <swiss> keep the caffeine junkies in check
[22:16:40] <exec> turdburglars: unable to find definition
[22:16:43] <JamesNZ> coffee-- # Dastardly? Courageous I say!
[22:16:43] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[22:16:51] <chromas> swiss: gotta tea-- too then
[22:16:55] <chromas> and chocolate--
[22:17:02] <swiss> tea--
[22:17:02] <Bender> karma - tea: 273
[22:17:08] <JamesNZ> coffee-- # But most of all coffee.
[22:17:08] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[22:17:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> corree++ #what did coffee ever do to you?
[22:17:12] <Bender> karma - corree: 1
[22:17:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> ?!
[22:17:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[22:17:22] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[22:17:32] <JamesNZ> coffee-- # It pained my tastebuds!
[22:17:32] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[22:17:34] * TheMightyBuzzard sighs
[22:17:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++ #don't drink it then
[22:17:47] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[22:17:48] <swiss> chocolate++ # Doesn't contain enough to be a real danger
[22:17:48] <Bender> karma - chocolate: 12
[22:17:57] <JamesNZ> coffee-- # I don't :P
[22:17:57] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[22:18:02] <swiss> coffee-- #Gets me sick
[22:18:02] <Bender> karma - coffee: 930
[22:18:12] <silverly> i feel like tea have tanked over time
[22:18:13] <JamesNZ> What, really?
[22:18:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> offee++
[22:18:28] <Bender> karma - offee: 1
[22:18:34] <JamesNZ> toffee++
[22:18:34] <Bender> karma - toffee: 5
[22:18:36] <chromas> broken macro
[22:18:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> fail upon you hotkey
[22:18:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[22:18:40] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[22:18:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> tea-- #the stomach killer
[22:18:50] <Bender> karma - tea: 272
[22:18:51] <JamesNZ> coffee-- # It makes swiss sick!
[22:18:51] <Bender> karma - coffee: 930
[22:19:01] <chromas> coffee++ # it makes swiss sick
[22:19:01] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[22:19:08] <chromas> >:)
[22:19:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++ #for making JamesNZ sick
[22:19:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[22:19:12] <JamesNZ> coffee-- # Not a good reason :P
[22:19:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[22:19:13] <swiss> chromas: waht a jerk
[22:19:17] <swiss> what*
[22:19:20] <JamesNZ> coffee-- # Still not a good reason :P
[22:19:20] <Bender> karma - coffee: 930
[22:19:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++ #and swiss too
[22:19:23] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[22:19:29] <swiss> yeah, caffeine reacts poorly in my stomache
[22:19:37] <JamesNZ> coffee-- # Evil, evil coffeeeee.
[22:19:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 930
[22:19:44] <JamesNZ> Ah :
[22:19:49] <JamesNZ> s/:/:|/
[22:19:49] <sedctl> <JamesNZ> Ah :|
[22:20:28] <botctl> coffee++ #bots love it too
[22:20:28] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[22:21:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, that's prolly enough. we've filled a screen n a half with karma wars
[22:22:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> lurve a good argue but occasionally someone wants to read scrollback
[22:23:18] <Blackmoore> :P
[22:23:21] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[22:23:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[22:24:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> Blackmoore++ #within his arse lies wisdom
[22:24:17] <Bender> karma - blackmoore: 5
[22:24:19] <chromas> hm, maybe staff karma should count for double
[22:25:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, if i really wanna just win it's easy enough to set it to a gerzillion and bounce bender
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[22:32:38] * silverly reads the scrollback and the logs
[22:34:18] <Blackmoore> ah wisdom. kids these days think you are born with it. nah. it's just a matter of learning from many many misteaks.
[22:34:19] <chromas> if you can read it that means we haven't coffee++d enough
[22:34:46] <chromas> mifingersteaks
[22:35:14] <Blackmoore> mistakes like drinking tea,
[22:35:36] <Blackmoore> !whoup coffee
[22:35:37] <Bender> uppers of coffee are: crutchy: 730, TheMightyBuzzard: 702, Blackmoore: 207, Bytram: 85, chromas: 73, crutchy_: 22, mrcoolbp: 19, mattie_p: 16, MrBluze: 15, arti: 15, paulej72: 14, AndyTheAbsurd: 13, TK: 12, mechanicjay: 12, TheMightyLaptop: 10, Alberto: 9, Ethanol-fueled: 9, exec: 8, Bytram|away: 5, silverly: 4, monopoly: 4, rand: 3, keplr: 3, idetuxs: 3, matt_: 3, juggs: - 2 more
[22:35:54] <chromas> ooh, three pages o' uppers
[22:37:14] <Blackmoore> and clearly the leader of the pack isnt giving that up
[22:37:27] <Blackmoore> !whoup tea
[22:37:27] <Bender> uppers of tea are: ar: 233, geotti: 29, SirFinkus: 14, silverly: 10, juggs: 9, arti: 5, TheMightyBuzzard: 4, n1: 4, geotti_Zzz: 3, Popeidol: 3, crutchy: 2, chromas: 2, AndyTheAbsurd: 1, Bytram: 1, nick: 1, prospectacle: 1, Azrael: 1
[22:37:48] <chromas> those were pity tea++s, I swear!
[22:38:47] <Blackmoore> ar has a problem.
[22:39:07] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[22:39:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[22:39:16] <Blackmoore> if he upvoted tea as much as he downvoted cofffee tea would actually be in the lead
[22:40:10] <Blackmoore> Chromas - did i see you talking about a debian fork?
[22:40:45] <chromas> I'm idling in their freenode channel; not much talk
[22:41:46] <chromas> So far it looks like their plan is to be a 'hybrid' distro, where they modify a few packages and use Debian repos for everything else
[22:41:50] <chromas> actually
[22:42:06] <chromas> http://refracta.freeforums.org
[22:42:07] <netctl> ^ 03refracta.freeforums.org View topic - Proto-Refracta Jessie with sysvinit
[22:43:23] <chromas> They list a couple sysvinit Debians
[22:45:21] <chromas> their channel has a lot more users than the uselessd one, maybe 'cause uselessd is on its own little irc network :D
[22:46:52] <Blackmoore> i went and grabbed both freeBSD and OpenBSD, but i was too busy digging out of multiple feet of snow to look at those yet.
[22:47:04] <Blackmoore> I'd still rathe stick with linux
[22:47:40] <JamesNZ> What's the benefit to *BSD, apart from them using systemd?
[22:48:29] <Blackmoore> well, so far i've been reading through a book on BSD i found on pirate bay
[22:49:02] <Blackmoore> BSD has much finer control over file security
[22:49:15] <JamesNZ> them not*
[22:49:24] <JamesNZ> Ah.
[22:50:02] <Blackmoore> and two file systems, a fast file system (say forembedded devices) and ZFS for systems with lots of processors and storage
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[22:51:09] <Blackmoore> it also looks like the people who commit to the code are voted on so if a person becomes disinterested they can get out of being incharge
[22:51:51] <Blackmoore> the voters are all people who - make commitments to the code
[22:52:09] <chromas> Yeah, but they put the entire ecosystem under one project, just like systemd :D :D
[22:52:11] <JamesNZ> Ah.
[22:52:29] <Blackmoore> hehehe well played
[22:53:22] <Blackmoore> but 4 ecosystems, 4 different teams, same setup, (with some cross-polinization)
[22:54:07] <Blackmoore> freeBSD,OpenBSD,netBsd.. anyway I havent gotten trrough but 100 pages of the damn textbook
[22:54:50] <Blackmoore> and a alot of that was the history of the project since it forked from systemV
[23:05:40] <chromas> was systemv the bad guy back then?
[23:11:15] <Blackmoore> no; System V was the name of the version of Unix that At&t developed
[23:12:08] <Blackmoore> but they stopped development on it and BSD came out of a desire to make a open source version
[23:12:35] <chromas> wait, I thought apple invented naming operating systems "system x"
[23:12:39] <chromas> <:)
[23:12:51] * chromas remembers System 7 at Skool
[23:12:59] <Blackmoore> now at the time that System V was out that sucker had to run on mainframe
[23:13:35] <Blackmoore> where as Linux was built to run on intel from the start
[23:13:35] <ciri> not sure Blackmoore
[23:14:43] <Blackmoore> so things like memory management and file systems had to be re-written a couple of times to get away from system dependencies
[23:16:21] <chromas> http://www.slideshare.net
[23:16:22] <netctl> ^ 03FreeBSD: The Next 10 Years (MeetBSD 2014)
[23:24:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> /msg botctl ;google cheerios
[23:25:17] * TheMightyBuzzard grumbles
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[23:44:49] <Blackmoore> grumbles
[23:45:20] <Blackmoore> launchd?!
[23:46:36] <Blackmoore> eh and then he goes off to talk about being more lego like
[23:47:14] <Blackmoore> and that's rally my problem with systemd - it has hooks into things and isnt lego-like
[23:47:24] <chromas> You don't like legos? Do you hate children? You racist!
[23:47:40] <Blackmoore> agist.
[23:47:43] <Blackmoore> ageist.
[23:48:07] <Blackmoore> and i got rights. i raised 3 so far.
[23:48:24] <Blackmoore> and they all love legos.
[23:48:45] <chromas> Seems like it would be best if, instead of forking Debian, they just undid all the integration, made a repo, then tried to push their packages back to Debian
[23:48:53] <chromas> legos++
[23:48:53] <Bender> karma - legos: 2
[23:50:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Woman Posting “love” of ISIS on Facebook Charged with Promoting Terrorism - http://sylnt.us - Thought-Crime
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[23:57:30] <Blackmoore> nah chromas the problem there is the administration of debian.
[23:58:06] <Blackmoore> they are no longer interested in the argument, they've choosen systemd as the initilization software, and sticking to it
[23:58:33] <Blackmoore> and the community is mostly "we dont care about this discussion"
[23:59:02] <Blackmoore> if you want to drop that package at this point you have to fork.
[23:59:54] <Blackmoore> - the community and the leadership isnt going to back any attempt to seperate and allow fora a different launcher.