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[00:42:07] <SpallsHurgenson> let the nonsense begin!
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[00:42:21] <Ethanol-fueled> 'Sup.
[00:52:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - ATTAC of the "Instant" DNA Scanners - http://sylnt.us - no-gene-for-fate
[00:52:15] <Ethanol-fueled> Goddamn, that article is fucking sad.
[00:52:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Time to bail from the 'States :(
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[00:54:39] <NightHawk> Shame DNA != IP.... Oh wait.
[00:58:22] <SpallsHurgenson> I have a solution! No DNA, no problem! Quick, to the mad science labs!
[00:58:48] <Konomi> 11:54 -!- systemddd [~systemdd@aprmot.enn.lu] has quit [Quit: has died]
[00:58:53] <Konomi> ding dong the witch is dead \o/
[01:04:04] <SpallsHurgenson> for those of you without access to a mad science lab, simply use a regular science lab with a spare van de graaff generator and hunchback you may have lying about
[01:04:26] <Ethanol-fueled> I mated with a hunchback once.
[01:05:04] <Ethanol-fueled> It's really nice because the're short, so you know they're tight, and their face is still really close to yours for intimacy.
[01:05:22] <chromas> did he take your DNAs?
[01:05:28] <Ethanol-fueled> This is if you get a legit hot one, all insecure but itching for your touch.
[01:05:39] <Ethanol-fueled> Not one of those lazy-eyed quasimodo women
[01:05:51] <Ethanol-fueled> chromas, the hunchback was a she
[01:07:01] <Ethanol-fueled> a lady in my class had kyphosis and wore a back brace
[01:07:28] <Ethanol-fueled> she stuck a little pillow behind it so her brace wouldn't "tap" when she rested her back against the wooden seat
[01:07:58] <Ethanol-fueled> There was something about that pillow, and her back resting against it, and that she was so shy that drove me wild. I had to get her number.
[01:08:29] <chromas> she gave you the serial number of the brace
[01:08:48] <Ethanol-fueled> no chromas. I have her the public key code of my heart.
[01:10:01] <Ethanol-fueled> Unfortunately, insecurities as a result of her disability ended up tearing us apart.
[01:10:44] <Ethanol-fueled> It was like that one time I dated a Black woman. I never mentioned race, ever, and gave her all my attention. But she would get mad for no reason, then accuse me of thinking about white girls.
[01:11:12] <Ethanol-fueled> The euphemism my hunchback liked to use was "taller women"
[01:11:24] <Ethanol-fueled> "You're thinking about taller women now, aren't you? "
[01:11:52] <Ethanol-fueled> And there was no escape. There was nothing I could do. She never believed me.
[01:12:22] <Ethanol-fueled> Now I sit, alone, with wine, a wreck of a man.
[01:13:12] <NightHawk> maybe you're better suited to women without severe insecurity issues?
[01:14:40] <Ethanol-fueled> Agreed, nighthawk
[01:14:50] <Ethanol-fueled> that's what happens when emotion gets the better of logic.
[01:15:16] <Ethanol-fueled> and being reeled the fuck in by cute petty things like that she wears glasses, or likes Anime
[01:15:45] <Ethanol-fueled> Or wears a back brace and has a cute little pillow for it.
[01:18:00] <Ethanol-fueled> MMmM, I think I'll visit a medical supply store soon.
[01:19:03] <Ethanol-fueled> 's a shame medical supplies are so damn expensive. And those back braces are probably designed according to the wearer's dimensions, using differential equations and shit.
[01:19:35] <Ethanol-fueled> The curves on those rods, shaped like the side contours of a sassy Corvette Stingray
[01:25:21] <Konomi> logic is wonderful when you lead it the right directions
[01:25:28] <Konomi> sadly most people don't
[01:27:11] <SpallsHurgenson> logic is difficult. people are lazy. qed monkeys like bananas.
[01:27:36] <chromas> bananas-- # nature's gluesticks
[01:27:36] <Bender> karma - bananas: -1
[01:28:06] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[01:28:06] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[01:30:50] <Konomi> SpallsHurgenson: yeah but goals count
[01:31:09] <Konomi> for instance I could think how to fix the worlds problems well logically there may be too many so nuke from ORBIT
[01:31:12] <Konomi> etc ;p
[01:31:18] <SpallsHurgenson> bananas can be a goal!
[01:31:56] <Ethanol-fueled> German Weimar-era coprophiles at bananas.
[01:32:02] <Ethanol-fueled> ate^
[01:32:08] <Ethanol-fueled> and you can only guess why.
[01:32:29] <Ethanol-fueled> Hitler and Goering would go to those clubs, man.
[01:32:45] <SpallsHurgenson> and if you nuke from orbit, no more bananas! Don't make the monkeys sad :):
[01:33:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, https://www.youtube.com
[01:33:25] <netctl> ^ 03Blue Oyster Bar - YouTube
[01:33:28] <Konomi> see that's logical!
[01:33:32] <Konomi> ha
[01:33:35] <Konomi> loved that scene
[01:33:43] <Konomi> I was a kid though when i first seen it
[01:33:46] <Konomi> to a kid it's just
[01:33:53] <Konomi> ooohh music and flashy this looks cool!
[01:34:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> and the music was just so sick n wrong
[01:34:27] <Konomi> I liked it
[01:34:39] <Konomi> still makes me giggle to think about it
[01:34:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> granted but it was not leather bar tunes exactly
[01:35:05] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, they were secure in their manhood.
[01:35:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> and everyone else's, yep
[01:35:28] <SpallsHurgenson> I always preferred https://www.youtube.com
[01:35:29] <netctl> ^ 03Airplane! | "Staying Alive" - YouTube
[01:35:29] <Konomi> the bit at the end where they fell asleep was awesome
[01:35:30] <Konomi> xD
[01:36:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha
[01:36:37] <Konomi> "will you love me tomoroowwwwwww"
[01:37:14] <Konomi> police acedemey was pretty respectful considering the time it was made in
[01:37:51] <SpallsHurgenson> little known fact: playing Staying Alive in any bar will still result in everybody getting up so they can boogey. Next time you go drinkin' try it and you'll see
[01:38:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's better for strutting down the street to
[01:38:30] <Ethanol-fueled> simpsons reference.
[01:38:34] <Ethanol-fueled> Huh, Buzzard.
[01:38:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> was actually thinking old travolta movie
[01:39:02] <Ethanol-fueled> Oh, the one the song was actually from!
[01:39:46] <SpallsHurgenson> I need a fog machine :)
[01:40:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, guys get right cranky if you set the ringtone for them to El Bimbo
[01:40:09] <Konomi> dont know why but I still like movies way older than me ._.
[01:40:33] <SpallsHurgenson> <sigh> stop making me feel ancient!
[01:40:46] <Konomi> you're only as old as you fee... nevermind ._.
[01:41:02] <Konomi> or as my perverted friend would say "You're only as old as the person you feel"
[01:41:04] * Konomi hides
[01:41:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, s'because they sucked slightly less
[01:41:13] * Konomi nods
[01:41:22] <Ethanol-fueled> THey did suck less.
[01:41:22] <Konomi> I switched to anime cause I got bored of the status quo
[01:41:30] <Konomi> but I think the status quo started stalking me
[01:41:46] <Ethanol-fueled> Even tacky shit like Twin Peaks is better than Transformers 5 or Black Captain America.
[01:41:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> there was no uwe boll or whatzisnuts that made the transformers movies
[01:41:54] <Konomi> ooh ooh
[01:41:55] <Konomi> twin peaks
[01:42:04] <Ethanol-fueled> political correctness has a large part in it now.
[01:42:10] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[01:42:10] <netctl> ^ 03NES Inspired "Twin Peaks" Intro - YouTube
[01:42:23] <Konomi> never even seen the show but this is awesome ;p
[01:42:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, bloody no-talent hacks with a big special effects budget are the prollem
[01:42:40] <Ethanol-fueled> Al bundy wore an apron that read, "kiss the cook, kill the wife"
[01:43:10] <Ethanol-fueled> The canned audience "cheered" whenever Al revealed it. ain't gonna see that on American TV anymore.
[01:43:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> al bundy also beat up david boreanaz
[01:43:29] <Konomi> I tried to watch married with children again lately
[01:43:33] <Konomi> it was kinda boring...
[01:43:46] <Konomi> like I was trying to watch kids tv shows
[01:43:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> ?! i watched the whole thing front to back last year
[01:43:52] <SpallsHurgenson> it got kinda boring when it was new too :)
[01:44:11] <Ethanol-fueled> then what's not boring? Loud colors and flashing lights everywhere?
[01:44:19] <Konomi> I know when I start making sarcastic cracks at everything the show is starting to suck ;p
[01:44:30] <Ethanol-fueled> I bet you haters are still watching Speed Racer and Dragon Ball Z
[01:44:44] <Ethanol-fueled> Both shit cartoons, I might add.
[01:44:44] <Konomi> DBZ was good I never watched speec racer
[01:44:51] <Konomi> and only recently did i watch dbz
[01:44:54] <Konomi> I avoided it for ages ;p
[01:45:07] <Konomi> was more of a CCS peep
[01:45:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> dbz was fun if you weren't looking for anything serious
[01:46:13] <Konomi> yeah if you're into serioius dbz was the biggest troll ever
[01:46:24] <Konomi> cause it would get all dramatic then.... SILLY PUN ARGH
[01:46:26] <Konomi> ;p
[01:46:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> silly puns ftw
[01:46:46] <Ethanol-fueled> dbz was fucking bullshit. It was the WWF (now WWE) of cartoons -- it was old after third grade
[01:46:48] <Konomi> the sound track was good though
[01:46:51] * SpallsHurgenson was a fan of QNL and vVm, although I hated TPA and NIX
[01:47:14] <Konomi> urk I don't know any of those abbrevs
[01:47:21] <Konomi> though considering I got into anime via this show
[01:47:32] <SpallsHurgenson> thats okay, I have no idea what any of you are talking about either :)
[01:47:50] <Konomi> card captor sakura ^^
[01:47:54] <Konomi> this was my first anime though
[01:47:56] <Ethanol-fueled> Was 9 years old and watching Inspector Gadget one day when my dad walks into the room and looks disgusted, and says, "Ugh, these are Japanese cartoons, aren;t they?"
[01:47:57] <Konomi> don't judge ;_;
[01:48:00] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[01:48:00] <netctl> ^ 03nurse witch komugi-chan - YouTube
[01:48:25] <Ethanol-fueled> "How do you know that? They're speaking ENGLISH!"
[01:48:42] <Konomi> your dad sounds like a tard sorry ;p
[01:48:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> regular old db was fun too. hard to beat a perverted old hermit.
[01:49:04] <Ethanol-fueled> hermits++
[01:49:05] <Bender> karma - hermits: 1
[01:49:07] <Konomi> inspector gadget wasn't even made in japan
[01:49:32] <Konomi> Inspector Gadget is a French-Canadian-American animated television series that revolves around the adventures of a clumsy, dim-witted cyborg detective named lnspector Gadget—a human being with various bionic gadgets built into his body. Gadget's nemesis is Dr. Claw, the leader of an evil organization known as "M.A.D."
[01:49:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, it wasn't anime, just animation
[01:50:12] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.thelrmc.com
[01:50:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> the height of cartoons is long past though. it peaked at Bugs
[01:50:37] <Ethanol-fueled> If I had only one frame to judge a series, I'd say that's Japanese...or at least Asian.
[01:51:02] <Ethanol-fueled> haha Buzzard, no way. Sick and twisted was still on tour as of last year.
[01:51:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> nobody beats the rabbit, yo
[01:51:22] <Konomi> lego hair cut > *
[01:51:57] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard - Bugs bunny was secure in his manhood
[01:52:09] <Ethanol-fueled> he could kiss other dudes and still be totally straight
[01:52:17] <Konomi> bugs bunny was secure in his lack of reality
[01:52:17] <Konomi> ;p
[01:52:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> that he was. and a huge smartass. he's my idol.
[01:52:49] <Konomi> does that mean you've always got something long and hard in your mouth....
[01:52:49] <Ethanol-fueled> Konomi: Wile E. Coyote had a background in engineering, and even he couldn't even catch a dumb bird
[01:52:54] <Konomi> you know like a carrot is what I meant
[01:53:07] <Ethanol-fueled> That's a freshman-level physics class, figuring out all that shit.
[01:53:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, no but not for a lack of trying. i can just never reach.
[01:53:48] <Konomi> hehe
[01:54:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[01:54:27] <netctl> ^ 03The Great Divide - Wile E. Coyote - YouTube
[01:58:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, i need to go through my twitter account and unfollow like 2/3 of the people i follow
[01:58:58] <chromas> sounds like something you could add to the botctl
[01:59:11] <Ethanol-fueled> Pffff, hahahah, nigga said, "Twitter account"
[01:59:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> needs to be manual
[01:59:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, fu, shatner's funny
[01:59:36] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: it can still be manual, you just have to issue commands through irc then :D
[01:59:45] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, can I have your Tumblr?
[02:00:00] <crutchy> icy_pole++
[02:00:00] <Bender> karma - icy_pole: 1
[02:00:02] <chromas> 💩twatter.delete thisguy
[02:00:08] <crutchy> fucking hot outside
[02:00:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i don have a tumblr on account of pictures is the suck and the opposite of what i'm willing to put up with
[02:00:37] <crutchy> ~weather
[02:00:38] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[02:00:49] <chromas> exec forgot to bucket
[02:00:50] <crutchy> ffs
[02:01:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> wrote a FB client that only displays posts without anything but text. if they got a picture or a video, fuck em.
[02:01:33] <crutchy> you should sell it to fb for a tidy sum
[02:01:35] <chromas> most pictures on fb seem to be selfies or image macros
[02:01:37] <Konomi> I still can't get into twitter ;p
[02:01:59] <crutchy> cos its full of twits?
[02:02:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, the trick is to mostly ignore it while the stupid scrolls by.
[02:02:02] <chromas> twitter should die now that everyone has smartphones
[02:02:11] <Konomi> what is the point of it then!
[02:02:15] * crutchy never really used twitter. it sounds dumb
[02:02:19] <Konomi> it's more trying to follow the conversations tbh
[02:02:28] <Ethanol-fueled> crutch-dawg is a smart guy.
[02:02:34] <crutchy> like irc but for morons
[02:02:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, kurk and sulu are funny. s'enough.
[02:02:40] <Konomi> but that might be more to do with twitter not being able to design a web page that doesn't blow on computer browsers vs stupid phones
[02:03:38] <crutchy> havent used fb for ages either
[02:03:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus i like arguing with fucktarded hippies
[02:03:45] <crutchy> maybe over a year
[02:03:50] <Konomi> thought twitter has it's up sides
[02:03:51] <Konomi> https://twitter.com
[02:03:52] <netctl> ^ 03Drew Llewellyn on Twitter: "#FeministHackerBarbie is harsh but fair. http://t.co"
[02:03:54] <Konomi> still laughing
[02:04:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> sjws are too fun to drop logic all over
[02:04:20] <Konomi> siws as well \o/
[02:04:33] <crutchy> ~define sjws
[02:04:35] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3SJW: Social Justice Warrior. A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for th...
[02:04:42] <Konomi> I wonder if they have siw
[02:04:47] <Konomi> ~define siws
[02:04:48] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3SIW: Strong independent women. Above the level of petty boy drama. Never chasing after the guy, you make them come to you. Basically, a SIW never waits around. If someone doesn't come to her, she finds...
[02:04:59] <Konomi> hmm already occupied
[02:05:05] <Konomi> "Social Injustice Warriors"
[02:05:09] <crutchy> fuck now this joint's turning into twatter
[02:05:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> no such thing
[02:05:23] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHAHAH
[02:05:26] <Konomi> two sides and only one of them has retards?
[02:05:32] <Konomi> I don't believe that's possible ;p ?
[02:05:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> social justice is what you call something when you want the word justice in there but it is directly in conflict with actual justice
[02:05:43] <Ethanol-fueled> I've dealt with SIWs. They're lonely.
[02:05:54] <Konomi> Ethanol-fueled: very lonely
[02:06:05] <Konomi> they seem to hang around 8chan a lot too
[02:06:05] <crutchy> are they submissive in bed?
[02:06:14] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, depends.
[02:06:18] <Konomi> dk I have hygeine requirements
[02:06:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, those're just trolls like EF mostly
[02:06:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> trying to top each other in saying outrageous bullshit
[02:06:47] <Konomi> EF is a troll I never knew it!
[02:07:02] <Ethanol-fueled> WHO MAKES THE CLOWN LAUGH?
[02:07:06] <crutchy> e-f wants you to think he's a troll
[02:07:08] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: SJW was a term I never heard before tardgate started and that came from 4chan and 8chan
[02:07:11] <Konomi> so yeah
[02:07:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, the term prolly came from there. it's valid as all kinds of fuck though.
[02:07:35] <crutchy> the way he writes journals and comments isn't trollish
[02:07:57] <Ethanol-fueled> Only idiots carry that stuff into real-life.
[02:08:00] <Konomi> a lot of the systemd "trolls" use language common to 4chan/8chan peeps too
[02:08:00] <crutchy> needs moar 'yeah, well i'm white so fuck you!' to be a troll
[02:08:06] <Konomi> easy to spot a mile away
[02:08:14] <Konomi> "10/10" "jesus christ" etc
[02:08:33] <Ethanol-fueled> a lot of systemd trolls need to be more technical.
[02:08:34] <Konomi> we had one pop into a coder oriented irc channel recently
[02:08:42] <Konomi> and try to tell programmers that binary logs are the worst
[02:08:49] <Konomi> never seen someone get shouted down so fast ;p
[02:09:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> they are if you actually have to be the one working on that shit like sysadmins
[02:09:27] <Konomi> yes but sysadmins seem to have caught some retarded lately
[02:09:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> programmers don't actually have to use the shit they write like sysadmins.
[02:09:45] <Konomi> cause if you told a programmer you wanted to store 16 mb of data in text they'd probably look at you like you were stupid
[02:09:58] <Ethanol-fueled> hahah Buzzard
[02:10:07] <Ethanol-fueled> True, true
[02:10:08] <chromas> the sjw term's been around a few years
[02:10:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's scientist vs engineer all over again.
[02:11:10] <Konomi> it was funny when one of the programmers said he sounded like sociopath though
[02:11:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> scientist your shit only has to work in theory and then work once to prove it. engineer that shit has to work every day, all day long.
[02:12:19] <crutchy> i got into the wrong profession then
[02:12:26] <Konomi> hehe
[02:12:30] <Ethanol-fueled> what are you, crutchy?
[02:12:36] <crutchy> engineer
[02:12:42] <crutchy> should have been a scientist
[02:12:45] <chromas> and he loves systemd
[02:12:45] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: actually peer review means people are going to make sure you are right
[02:12:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[02:13:02] <Konomi> and whilst you may not be the one proving it more than once others will be making sure you got it right the first time
[02:13:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, right != practical though
[02:13:27] <crutchy> same as architects vs engineers
[02:13:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[02:13:36] <Konomi> architects
[02:13:37] <crutchy> architects--
[02:13:37] <Bender> karma - architects: -1
[02:13:39] <Konomi> don't get me started
[02:13:51] <Konomi> talk about a profession that hasn't been updated since the 1950s
[02:13:57] <crutchy> on the upside they keep people like me employed :D
[02:14:25] <Ethanol-fueled> Scientists at least have to work with what they use.
[02:14:30] <crutchy> if everyone just built square boxes there might not be much work for people like me
[02:14:47] <Ethanol-fueled> Engineers don't eat their own dog food. They're not designing office-chairs for their furniture company.
[02:15:19] <Konomi> considering I have to have a pillow on my "engineered" office chair engineers can go die in a fire as well ~
[02:15:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think you got your shat backwards, ef
[02:15:47] <Ethanol-fueled> That's why it's awesome to see an engineer's tears when he does fuck up. Seeing them solve a whole dynamic system correctly except for a common-sense fail they would have known if they actually touched the shit even once.
[02:16:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> "it worked in the lab" is not a valid statement in an argument.
[02:16:49] <Ethanol-fueled> Engineers don't design shit to be taken apart, just put together :)
[02:16:57] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[02:16:58] <netctl> ^ 03your tears of unfathomable sadness are delicious - YouTube
[02:17:01] <Konomi> EF ~
[02:17:02] <Konomi> ;p
[02:17:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, fuck that. they're largely the ones gotta repair it too.
[02:17:12] <crutchy> i spend most of my time designing things that can be built and maintained
[02:17:19] <Ethanol-fueled> no slam on crutchy, I'm just a tech plebe and I grow stronger from engineer tears
[02:17:21] <crutchy> cos i work with the people who build and maintain them
[02:17:38] <crutchy> if i do something stupid i never hear the end of it
[02:18:06] * Konomi wonders how often crutchy never hears the end of it
[02:18:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> screw you guys, i'm goin home.
[02:18:09] * Konomi runs and hides
[02:18:12] <Konomi> lol
[02:18:13] <ciri> hahaha
[02:18:17] <Konomi> ciri--
[02:18:17] <Bender> karma - ciri: -28
[02:18:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> or rather i'm gonna watch some more star trek
[02:18:26] <Ethanol-fueled> go for it, buzzard
[02:18:28] <crutchy> Konomi, you must be thinking of my missus :p
[02:18:34] <Konomi> star trek is too SJW for me
[02:18:41] <Konomi> no money and shit talk about commie ~
[02:18:47] <Ethanol-fueled> watch kirk RAPE uhura
[02:18:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, space hippies
[02:19:04] <crutchy> and they think they're so 'the shit' with their photon torpedos
[02:19:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ToS and Enterprise ain't bad though. voyager was good for seven of boobs.
[02:19:22] <Ethanol-fueled> and imagine her juices build up during the process, as the beatniks hired to do the bongos during the theme pattapattapatta
[02:19:30] <crutchy> put enterprise against a super star destroyer
[02:19:34] <crutchy> i'd like to see that
[02:19:55] <Ethanol-fueled> GOOd star trek series: ToS, TNG, the second half of DS9
[02:20:04] <Ethanol-fueled> BAD trek series: everything else.
[02:20:22] <crutchy> seven of nine. nuff said
[02:20:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> tng can eat a dick. they were the WORST space hippies.
[02:20:43] <Ethanol-fueled> fuck that shit, kirk lived on in Riker.
[02:20:53] <Ethanol-fueled> And Piccard was just fuckin' classy.
[02:21:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> that lardass with a beard santa wannabe? fuck him right in the ass.
[02:21:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Aereo Gives up the Ghost After a Three-Year Copyright Battle - http://sylnt.us - try-it-in-another-country
[02:21:18] <crutchy> janeway can be my captain anyday
[02:21:24] <crutchy> rit rear :d
[02:21:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth. she had bigger balls than picard any day
[02:21:42] <Ethanol-fueled> The mommy issues are coming out now...
[02:21:50] <SpallsHurgenson> crutchy: https://www.youtube.com
[02:21:50] <netctl> ^ 03Star Trek vs. Star Wars - YouTube
[02:21:53] <Ethanol-fueled> hahahahha
[02:22:22] <crutchy> SpallsHurgenson, problem is they always compare bs canon stuff
[02:22:24] <Ethanol-fueled> The best part about Janeway was the constrast between the earlier and later years, especially in the last episode.
[02:22:28] <crutchy> i mean realistic
[02:22:38] <SpallsHurgenson> erm... Star Wars? Star Trek? Realistic?
[02:22:46] <SpallsHurgenson> <brain implosion?
[02:22:57] <crutchy> like as if a ssd would blow up on bow impact
[02:23:22] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[02:23:23] <netctl> ^ 0315 Things You Probably Didn't Know About South Park - YouTube
[02:23:27] <Konomi> I didn't even know most of these
[02:24:16] <chromas> a video for a text list?
[02:24:32] <Konomi> yeah that urked me but they're pretty interesting
[02:24:49] <Konomi> https://twitter.com
[02:24:50] <netctl> ^ 03Aaron on Twitter: "#FeministHackerBarbie is pretty great. http://t.co"
[02:24:51] <Konomi> hehe
[02:26:09] <SpallsHurgenson> or you could just go nuts https://www.youtube.com
[02:26:10] <netctl> ^ 03Battlestar Galactica Vs Star Wars Vs Star Trek Vs Babylon 5 - YouTube
[02:26:20] <Konomi> new one sucked
[02:26:49] <Konomi> may it forever burn in the depths of george lucus' carry bag
[02:29:12] <SpallsHurgenson> and if that's not good enough for you: https://www.youtube.com
[02:29:12] <netctl> ^ 03The Ultimate Showdown (with MP3 ♫) - YouTube
[02:31:39] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[02:31:39] <netctl> ^ 03GG Allin - Tough Fuckin' Shit (+Lyrics) - YouTube ( https://www.youtube.com )
[02:32:34] <Konomi> I don't really get that saying
[02:32:38] <Konomi> shit has never really been tough
[02:32:39] <ciri> i don't see any shit
[02:32:48] <Konomi> ciri-- # try a mirror
[02:32:48] <Bender> karma - ciri: -29
[02:34:03] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[02:34:03] <netctl> ^ 03GG Allin - I Wanna Suck Your Cunt - YouTube
[02:39:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[02:39:05] <netctl> ^ 03The Great Divide - Wile E. Coyote - YouTube
[02:39:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, wrong one
[02:39:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[02:39:18] <netctl> ^ 03Blink182 - I wanna fuck a dog in the ass - YouTube
[02:39:33] <Konomi> https://twitter.com
[02:39:34] <netctl> ^ 03Boing Boing on Twitter: "OMG. #FeministHackerBarbie. Best thing on the internet all week. http://t.co http://t.co"
[02:39:38] <chromas> Freudian slip, tmb?
[02:39:46] <Konomi> I have a feeling this is going to be an endless source of amusement for awhile
[02:40:05] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[02:40:06] <netctl> ^ 03GG Allin - Fucking The Dog - YouTube
[02:40:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, wrong clipboard. ^v vs middle click
[02:40:25] <Konomi> oh god
[02:40:28] <Konomi> fuck xorg and middle click
[02:40:30] <Ethanol-fueled> How much is that dog, Buzzard?
[02:40:30] <Konomi> seriously
[02:40:32] <chromas> middle_click++ # except when it doesn't work
[02:40:32] <Bender> karma - middle_click: 1
[02:40:37] <Ethanol-fueled> Broken in?
[02:40:47] <Ethanol-fueled> Better be taller than a Cocker Spaniel
[02:40:48] <Konomi> there is no way to disable it without editing the source -.-
[02:40:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, the one with the waggedy tail?
[02:40:52] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHAHAHAH
[02:41:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, middle click paste is win n awesome. two clipboards ftw.
[02:42:17] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard - having porn on the raster at the same time as business is asking for trouble.
[02:42:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck em if they can't handle a little horse sucking video
[02:43:42] <Ethanol-fueled> Can't blame the horse. I wish I could just walk into a pasture and wait to get blown by something.
[02:44:07] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: until you paste like a page of text into your irc client ;p
[02:44:40] * SpallsHurgenson puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose
[02:45:10] * Konomi hoses SpallsHurgenson with custard
[02:46:08] <Ethanol-fueled> https://www.youtube.com
[02:46:09] <netctl> ^ 03GG Allin - Dog Shit - YouTube
[02:46:36] <Ethanol-fueled> Get the fuck out of my BREAD-LINE!
[02:46:47] <chromas> the good irc clients bitch at you if you try to paste a lot
[02:46:51] <chromas> and the bad ones
[02:47:24] <Ethanol-fueled> chromas, you guys aren't dunk it Britain.
[02:47:36] <Ethanol-fueled> aren't drunk IN....YEt
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[02:53:57] <Konomi> https://twitter.com
[02:53:58] <netctl> ^ 03Darren Emory on Twitter: "My contribution to #FeministHackerBarbie http://t.co"
[02:53:59] <Konomi> so good
[02:55:39] <chromas> what's that huuuge connector he's tugging on?
[02:56:20] <Konomi> https://twitter.com
[02:56:21] <netctl> ^ 03PoneyRambo on Twitter: "Mon préféré !! #FeministHackerBarbie http://t.co"
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[02:57:19] <Konomi> will just leave the search here for anyone interested ;p
[02:57:20] <Konomi> https://twitter.com
[02:57:22] <netctl> ^ 03Tweets about #FeministHackerBarbie hashtag on Twitter
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[02:58:47] <chromas> they look like hipsters
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[03:17:03] <JamesNZ> constructor_inheritance++
[03:17:03] <Bender> karma - constructor_inheritance: 1
[03:17:08] <SpallsHurgenson> god damn it's cold out there!
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[03:25:49] * SpallsHurgenson reads about Adobe Streaming Photoshop and wonders if https://www.adobe.com still works...
[03:25:50] <netctl> ^ 03301 Moved Permanently ( http://www.adobe.com )
[03:26:10] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm, apparently not :)
[03:28:46] <SpallsHurgenson> no, wait... still there, just needed to login. thank you mailinator :)
[03:40:09] <SpallsHurgenson> not that I'd actually install any Adobe-ware on my computer. Even a Windows8 user has to draw the line SOMEWHERE :)
[03:52:15] <Konomi> I just install shockwave
[03:52:27] <juggs> the horrors!
[03:52:58] <Subsentient> $wz
[03:52:59] <aqu4> 3[1 of 2] Name: Join or DIEEEEEEEEE | Map: MiniRush-v2-T1 | Host: SubSen(MOEPP) | Players: 1/4 | IP: 216.161.165.96 | Version: 3.1.1
[03:53:00] <aqu4> 3[2 of 2] Name: No quiters, no lagers!!! | Map: R_exysNTWHighOil-T1 | Host: alliance FR (2) | Players: 1/6 | IP: 114.109.115.232 | Version: 3.1.1
[03:53:44] * SpallsHurgenson doesn't join the second game; I like lager
[04:00:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Block Long Video Screen in Times Square Has 24 M Pixels - http://sylnt.us - waiting-for-apple-to-upgrade-it-to-retina®
[04:04:41] * SpallsHurgenson remembers the old Times Square, before they Disneyfied it. Those were the good ol' days of drunks and hookers
[04:12:32] <SpallsHurgenson> that new sign is certainly not going to help the Times Square electrical bill
[04:12:57] <Konomi> I don't get the latest caffeine article
[04:13:03] <Konomi> wikipedia states
[04:13:04] <Konomi> Extreme overdose can result in death.[64][65] The median lethal dose (LD50) given orally is 192 milligrams per kilogram in rats. The LD50 of caffeine in humans is dependent on individual sensitivity, but is estimated to be about 150 to 200 milligrams per kilogram of body mass or roughly 80 to 100 cups of coffee for an average adult.
[04:13:18] <Konomi> What is more, caffeine poisoning can happen at levels higher than 400 mg per day in adults, above 100 mg a day in adolescents, and at 2.5 mg per kg (2.2 lbs) of body weight in children under the age of 12.
[04:13:24] <Konomi> these two views seem in direct conflict
[04:13:59] <SpallsHurgenson> I think the difference is a) "lethal" vs "unhealthy" and b) "adult" vs "child"
[04:14:19] <Konomi> well the article says deadly so x.x
[04:14:49] <SpallsHurgenson> I just assume that article was submitted to troll TheMightyBlizzard :)
[04:15:06] <Konomi> hehe
[04:15:13] <Konomi> so I take it the title is a tad overblown
[04:17:02] <SpallsHurgenson> if we agree with that, can I start feeding the baby a couple of Red Bulls? :)
[04:17:11] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[04:17:11] <Bender> karma - coffee: 930
[04:17:30] <SpallsHurgenson> JamesNZ++ #for continued good work
[04:17:30] <Bender> karma - jamesnz: -23
[04:17:31] <Konomi> bays aren't children you know ;p
[04:17:35] <Konomi> babies*
[04:17:39] * JamesNZ bows humbly
[04:17:52] <Konomi> JamesNZ for sheep land priministor
[04:17:54] * Konomi runs
[04:17:58] <SpallsHurgenson> are they lunch meat?
[04:18:17] <Konomi> nah only old people and undesirables end up as soylent
[04:18:45] <JamesNZ> I will rule my sheep justly!
[04:19:09] <SpallsHurgenson> "priministor" hurt my brain.
[04:19:25] <Konomi> hehe
[04:20:44] * SpallsHurgenson looks at his internet traffic statistics and is glad his ISP doesn't cap
[04:26:59] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[04:27:00] <netctl> ^ 03TheTKC'S BEST OF VGM #270: Star Fox 2 スターフォックス2 - Eladard - YouTube
[04:27:28] * chromas does a 'barrel' roll
[04:29:31] * SpallsHurgenson prefers the more sonorous tunes of EotFS https://www.youtube.com
[04:29:31] <netctl> ^ 03Emperor of the Fading Suns Soundtrack - Fading Suns - YouTube
[04:34:15] <SpallsHurgenson> although if you must have something more chiptuney, https://www.youtube.com
[04:34:15] <netctl> ^ 03Overkill (1992, MS-DOS, Epic Megagames) Complete OST - YouTube
[04:34:31] <SpallsHurgenson> back in the day, I bought that game solely for its soundtrack :)
[04:36:12] <SpallsHurgenson> and I bought THIS game 'cause its intro was so effin' cool https://www.youtube.com
[04:36:13] <netctl> ^ 03Zone 66 intro (PC) - YouTube
[04:40:08] <SpallsHurgenson> and this game just 'cause it was so much damn fun... but I loved its intro and music too https://www.youtube.com
[04:40:09] <netctl> ^ 03UFO: Enemy Unknown ( X-com ) - intro movie - YouTube
[05:10:29] <chromas> it's up to 54° outside
[05:10:58] <chromas> wind++ # for raising the temperature 20° after dark
[05:10:58] <Bender> karma - wind: 1
[05:13:46] <SpallsHurgenson> wind-- # for dropping the temperature 20° after dark
[05:13:46] <Bender> karma - wind: 0
[05:15:10] <SpallsHurgenson> if it's gonna be this darn cold, I at least want to get some snow out of it
[05:17:13] <chromas> we had snow. The temp's been in the mid teens the last few days
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[05:38:52] <JamesNZ> summer++
[05:38:52] <Bender> karma - summer: 1
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[05:47:03] * crutchy is going to torture the neighbours in a while with barbeque smells :D
[05:51:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Search Engines in Firefox - http://sylnt.us - should-name-a-search-engine:-"Sir Ch"
[06:30:02] <JamesNZ> That's such a good pun.
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[06:56:43] <crutchy> coffee++
[06:56:43] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[06:57:22] <crutchy> omg i just realised i havent visited konomis story yet
[06:58:15] <chromas> it's got many comments
[06:58:57] <crutchy> holy shit yeah
[06:59:09] <crutchy> i missed out big time
[06:59:26] <chromas> Konomi++ # for bringing the comments
[06:59:26] <Bender> karma - konomi: 34
[07:07:57] <Konomi> my milkshake brings all the trolls to the comment section?
[07:20:11] <Konomi> wow the conspiricy theories exploded after I stopped reading lol
[07:28:35] <keplr> Systemd post?
[07:28:55] <keplr> I hear conspiracy and that's what comes to mind.
[07:32:17] <Konomi> https://soylentnews.org
[07:32:18] <netctl> ^ 03SN article: Could it be the Community Might Actually Want systemd? 04(140 comments)
[07:33:03] <chromas> http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:03] <netctl> ^ 03SN comment by cafebabe (894)
[07:33:06] <keplr> It seems like a powergrab by Red Hat, IMO.
[07:33:10] <chromas> from a different article
[07:33:30] <crutchy> Konomi, i don't have a problem with systemd, but you can keep your milkshake to yourself thanks :p
[07:33:33] <Konomi> yeah that one lol chromas ;p
[07:33:34] <chromas> Yep, RedHat has all the other distros under its boot
[07:33:37] <Konomi> I didn't even bother to read it
[07:33:49] <chromas> milkshakes++
[07:33:49] <Bender> karma - milkshakes: 2
[07:33:49] <Konomi> I can feel redhat making my debian bad right now
[07:34:40] <chromas> Wait, I thought they trusted Debian 'cause whatever. They should be worried that they put their trust in the wrong people
[07:34:44] <Konomi> chromas: wow that is a new level of just wow
[07:35:00] <crutchy> debian++
[07:35:00] <Bender> karma - debian: 43
[07:35:11] <chromas> debian++
[07:35:11] <Bender> karma - debian: 44
[07:35:43] <Konomi> crutchy: I was on a programming channel today and someone tried to "debate" systemd was amusing ;p
[07:35:48] <crutchy> redhat is ok too. without them linux wouldn't be as popular esp with the corporate types and big iron
[07:36:03] <keplr> They're the Microsoft of the Linux world.
[07:36:27] <chromas> archlinux++ # because the internet says I have to be sure everyone knows
[07:36:27] <Bender> karma - archlinux: 63
[07:36:45] <Konomi> said programmers really didn't have a single bit of patience for any idological opinion on it xD
[07:36:58] <crutchy> keplr, well i guess without microsoft windows wouldn't be as popular either :d
[07:37:19] <Konomi> microsoft need to clone twitter
[07:37:22] <crutchy> redhat++ # microsoft of the linux world
[07:37:22] <Bender> karma - redhat: -1
[07:37:23] <Konomi> call it windrs.com
[07:37:29] <Konomi> I'd use it for the amusement
[07:37:32] <keplr> The Red Hat conspiracy angle is the only interpretation that makes sense to me, since everything systemd does ALREADY exists.
[07:37:55] <Konomi> thb
[07:38:06] <Konomi> we'd probably have upstart if ubuntu hadn't fucked it with their license agreement
[07:38:07] <keplr> Why rewrite all that functionality your own way, which is more complex, why make it so viral, if not to usurp control?
[07:38:17] <Konomi> but because of the license it never took off
[07:38:20] <Konomi> so sysvinit stuck
[07:38:21] <keplr> They should have gone with launchd
[07:38:45] <keplr> They were going to use luanchd but the license was bad, but that reason is gone. Apple changed the license to Apache 2.0
[07:38:53] <crutchy> torvalds said that init is a mess and development for multiple distros is a nightmar. if systemd helps that, developers will (and i guess judging by the dependency trajectory) are already going for it
[07:38:59] <Konomi> and systemd got parallelised start up and a license that wasn't a POS that's what distros went with
[07:39:11] <Konomi> oh speaking of systemd
[07:39:20] <Konomi> if anyone was wondering why devs like logind
[07:39:40] <keplr> launchd exists, it's over a decade old now and well tested. It's supported by a multi-billion dollar company, it's got a fine license.
[07:39:43] <crutchy> i think there's no doubts that package developers like systemd
[07:39:48] <Konomi> http://i3.minus.com
[07:39:58] <Konomi> it might have something to do with console kit completely blowing
[07:40:33] <chromas> never enough instances
[07:40:43] <Konomi> need moar console-kit
[07:40:43] * chromas summons Glenn Beck
[07:41:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Gravitationally Lensed Supernova Discovered - http://sylnt.us - that's-a-bright-idea!
[07:41:28] <chromas> I'm not saying Debian maintainers were bribed with piles of cash and dick sucking by LP, but why won't they deny it?
[07:41:36] * chromas boohoos
[07:41:59] <crutchy> i think debian maintainers just did what was in their own best interests
[07:42:01] <Konomi> lungs might hurt from laughing after they read the question
[07:42:04] <crutchy> like anyone else would
[07:42:31] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[07:42:31] <Bender> karma - coffee: 930
[07:42:37] <crutchy> the systemd haters would exclude systemd, but only for their own self interest too
[07:42:53] <crutchy> vested interest is a powerful motivator
[07:43:10] <crutchy> resistance to change is everywhere
[07:43:13] <keplr> I'm actually spending this weekend trying to install and familiarize myself with FreeBSD. It might be useful to know if things get really intolerable.
[07:43:25] <crutchy> keplr, they'll get better
[07:43:30] <Konomi> bsd will be in an interesting position actually
[07:43:35] <Konomi> since a lot of the DEs want logind now
[07:43:40] <Konomi> they could very well be shitting themselves
[07:43:42] <NightHawk> What hardware are you installing on keplr?
[07:43:49] <Konomi> and it might be why the comments are so hateful towards systemd
[07:43:52] <crutchy> if things were really that bad, everyone would be bitching about udev and dbus as well
[07:43:55] <crutchy> but they're not
[07:44:02] <Konomi> because they're worried they'll no longer be able to use the DEs produced in linux land
[07:44:09] <keplr> An old desktop that used to run Windows 7.
[07:44:20] <Konomi> I guess they could use lumia nwahaha
[07:44:34] <keplr> I'm familiar with BSD somewhat. I use FreeNAS and pfsense, but I never actually interact with those.
[07:44:45] <Konomi> lumina*
[07:44:55] <crutchy> msdosd
[07:45:00] <keplr> ZFS is amazing
[07:45:00] <Konomi> I tried bsd back in the day I was trying my linux move
[07:45:08] <Konomi> it got rejected for the same reasons linux did at the time
[07:45:13] <crutchy> ooh
[07:45:15] <Konomi> the hardware support was beyond awful
[07:45:34] <crutchy> new idea for an init system name: autoexecbatd :D
[07:45:50] <NightHawk> Fair enough, best of luck. If you run into issues with older graphics drivers making X crap itself look into the new vt console option.
[07:45:53] <Konomi> you're right crutchy
[07:45:54] <Konomi> it's small
[07:45:56] <Konomi> and it's a script
[07:45:59] <Konomi> they'll love it
[07:46:09] <Konomi> they can use type to read the logs
[07:46:31] <keplr> This gamergate shit has blown up tonight. Anyone following it?
[07:46:36] <crutchy> and it'll give them lots of time to see what's going on :D
[07:46:36] * chromas creates a con/con module
[07:46:38] <Konomi> it's been blowing up for weeks
[07:46:56] <NightHawk> Konomi, the sweet spot seemt o be hardware that was popular 2-3 years ago.
[07:47:00] <crutchy> what's gamergate again?
[07:47:04] <NightHawk> s/seemt/seems
[07:47:12] <Konomi> I've been enjoying the many quips of #FeministHackerBarbie to care though
[07:47:14] <chromas> crutchy: gamergate is that thing where people keep mentioning gamergate
[07:47:14] <crutchy> is that something about some chick banging some guy for money?
[07:47:23] <Konomi> crutchy: it's where shitty man children fling shit everywhere I believe
[07:47:29] <Konomi> oh and it's about ethics
[07:47:30] <JamesNZ> ~define gamergate
[07:47:32] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3gamergate: A word used to describe the events surrounding the Zoe Quinn Scandal, when gaming journalists refused to cover the incident, and instead attacked and generalized their audience.
[07:47:34] <Konomi> small ** at the bottom
[07:47:35] <crutchy> monkeyd
[07:47:42] <crutchy> monkeyd fling shit
[07:47:44] <keplr> Some churlish tart wrote a terrible Perl script which hammered the Twitter API with thousands of calls to generate a blocklist of all the #gamergate supporters.
[07:48:02] <Konomi> that would be bsdgirl
[07:48:07] <chromas> ~define churlish
[07:48:08] <Konomi> she works on bsd
[07:48:09] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3Churlish: Very cheerful but in a most cheeky way. Usually has an award winning smile!
[07:48:18] <Konomi> so when are you switching to bsd?
[07:48:25] <keplr> Konomi: not inspiring confidence in me then
[07:48:39] <Konomi> I've watched a lot of her podcasts pretty fun person really
[07:48:43] <crutchy> pretty soon bsd will have a gamergated
[07:48:55] <keplr> I'm on her blocklist
[07:48:56] <Konomi> crutchy: bsd community would lap it up they love drama
[07:49:15] <Konomi> people blocking people on the internet
[07:49:19] <Konomi> world totally confirmed for ending
[07:49:26] <keplr> Real mature move on their part.
[07:49:30] <crutchy> by netcraft?
[07:49:30] <keplr> Very productive
[07:49:57] <keplr> Another crippling bombshell for social justice.
[07:50:10] <crutchy> ooh JamesNZ is inside the circle of trust
[07:50:16] <Konomi> no one cares that someone blocked you
[07:50:21] <crutchy> http://stats.sylnt.us
[07:50:24] <JamesNZ> crutchy: ?
[07:50:32] <JamesNZ> crutchy: Oh :P
[07:50:38] <Konomi> https://xkcd.com
[07:50:39] <netctl> ^ 03xkcd: Free Speech
[07:50:42] <Konomi> always relevant
[07:50:49] <chromas> crutchy: looks like a three-way to me
[07:50:56] <JamesNZ> xkcd++
[07:50:56] <Bender> karma - xkcd: 5
[07:51:08] <keplr> Inaccurate, I hate all of you :p
[07:51:37] <Konomi> inb4 the url gets changed to /social/gangbang/
[07:51:38] <chromas> botctl needs to say stuff to get attention
[07:52:24] <crutchy> ooh yeah i've got a big fat stick firmly embedded on TheMightyBuzzard
[07:52:37] <Konomi> whoaaahh
[07:52:40] <JamesNZ> And in chromas O_o
[07:52:41] <chromas> mrcoolbp has a long stick up TheMightyBuzzard
[07:52:43] <Konomi> whatever floats your boat there crutchy ~
[07:52:53] * JamesNZ wonders how many sticks crutchy has
[07:52:57] <Konomi> dman you powers of mental imagination
[07:52:59] <Konomi> whhyyyy
[07:52:59] <crutchy> i'm giving one to you as well Konomi
[07:53:10] <keplr> Speaking of alcohlism, I need to pop down to the shop before my state's puritanical laws kick in.
[07:53:26] <Konomi> you're not allowed to drink toxic substances there?
[07:53:27] <chromas> and then you /nick Ethanol-fueled?
[07:53:29] <Konomi> that's awful
[07:53:42] <Konomi> how do you get rid of all the stupid people?
[07:53:57] <chromas> with guns
[07:53:58] <crutchy> ooh if i /nick Ethanol-fueled will there be 2 Ethanol-fueled?
[07:54:12] <crutchy> will Ethanol-fueled have a stick up himself?
[07:54:22] <JamesNZ> Hasn't he registered?
[07:54:27] <keplr> Just put all the stupid people on a list
[07:54:50] <chromas> you mean like twitter?
[07:55:05] <crutchy> twitter is basically a big register of stupid people
[07:55:10] <Konomi> sitll cna't get into twitter
[07:55:21] <Konomi> I can't even follow how to find out when people are tweeting to one naother
[07:55:33] <keplr> It's a very primitive and clunky interface.
[07:55:36] <crutchy> Konomi, we need a twitter feed here
[07:55:40] <Konomi> wont' argue with that
[07:55:41] <crutchy> #twitter
[07:55:47] <keplr> And the limitation of 140 chars is a hold over from the days of SMS.
[07:55:51] <JamesNZ> twitterctl enable feed
[07:55:51] <crutchy> for soylentils feeds
[07:55:54] <Konomi> I thought it was 200?
[07:56:07] <Konomi> the other reason they like 200 is 200 has been ruled to be below the copyright limit
[07:56:09] <keplr> You can get some extra ones in their for links I think
[07:56:12] <chromas> twitter is a holdover from the days of sms
[07:56:13] <Konomi> so no tweets can ever be copyrighted
[07:56:22] <crutchy> ~suggest #twitter feed for soylentil's twitters
[07:56:28] <chromas> it's 140 because sms is limited to 160
[07:56:29] <exec> *** suggestion successfully added to wiki - http://sylnt.us
[07:56:46] <Konomi> tbh I like the idea of tiwtter
[07:56:48] <Konomi> it DOES make sense
[07:56:55] <Konomi> it's just the implementation is... WAT
[07:56:56] <crutchy> i like irc
[07:57:04] <chromas> twitter was just a way to sms to a lot of people at once
[07:57:05] <crutchy> ~define wat
[07:57:07] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3wat: The only proper response to something that makes absolutely no sense.
[07:57:11] <crutchy> lol
[07:57:11] <ciri> HEY! don't laugh at me
[07:57:14] <chromas> google had buzz for a while that was like sms
[07:57:18] <Konomi> yah it's 140 according to wikipedia don't know where i got 200 from
[07:57:21] <chromas> s/sms/twatter/
[07:57:31] <crutchy> Konomi, you pulled it out of your stick hole?
[07:57:42] <chromas> netctl: say ~sed on
[07:57:42] <netctl> ~sed on
[07:57:43] <exec> sed already enabled for 10#Soylent
[07:57:48] <Konomi> this is why no one visits you crutchy you scare them ;p
[07:57:57] <crutchy> sed is being lobotomised
[07:58:05] <chromas> oh yeah
[07:58:06] <JamesNZ> Poor sed.
[07:58:09] <crutchy> mid-conversion to using shell sed
[07:58:23] <chromas> maybe the new one should be sed2 for now
[07:58:36] <chromas> how will we get through conversations if we have to do the conversions in our heads?
[08:01:12] <Konomi> "FreeBSD has its own systemd ie. launchd. There are those that want to see its adoption, but there doesn't seem to have been a real push (yet)."
[08:01:18] <Konomi> launchd is a lot like systemd iirc
[08:01:37] <chromas> so is freebsd
[08:01:43] <chromas> everything under one project name
[08:01:49] <chromas> integrated
[08:03:04] <Konomi> next article "SJWs invading *bsd trying to get launchd on all versions of *bsd by default!"
[08:03:38] <chromas> #initgate
[08:04:23] <crutchy> ~sed off
[08:04:24] <exec> sed disabled for 10#Soylent
[08:22:39] <Konomi> just sed off ~
[08:22:52] <crutchy> ke?
[08:23:34] <crutchy> chromas was trying to hack my shell :D
[08:23:44] <crutchy> he's pretty good at it too
[08:23:55] <crutchy> chromas++ # shell hackerer
[08:23:55] <Bender> karma - chromas: 54
[08:23:55] <chromas> if I was, I'd be in
[08:23:58] <Konomi> php shouldn't take too long
[08:24:06] <chromas> I Konomi could do it
[08:24:10] <chromas> Konomi could hack the gibson
[08:24:18] <Konomi> hack the planettttt
[08:24:18] <crutchy> nah you're doin ok man. i could never come up with that jibberish you can
[08:24:47] <crutchy> Konomi, you're welcome to join # for shell wackery hackery
[08:24:55] * chromas checks the trash for floppies
[08:25:01] <crutchy> and #debug for extra fun
[08:25:07] <Konomi> about to get pizza and lazy
[08:25:08] <Konomi> ;p
[08:25:15] <crutchy> ooh
[08:25:16] <chromas> pizza++
[08:25:16] <Bender> karma - pizza: 18
[08:25:19] * crutchy just had bbq
[08:32:05] <NightHawk> bacon++
[08:32:05] <Bender> karma - bacon: 283
[08:32:34] <NightHawk> bacon_pizza++
[08:32:34] <Bender> karma - bacon_pizza: 2
[08:38:55] <keplr> https://www.youtube.com
[08:38:56] <netctl> ^ 03Christopher Hitchens on Freedom of Speech - YouTube
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[08:42:46] <crutchy> christopher hitchens says some smart things, but he's a socialist at heart
[08:45:25] <crutchy> coffee++
[08:45:25] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[08:46:33] <keplr> I'm a Social Democrat myself, vote Green Party typically.
[08:47:29] <keplr> Although the phrase, "don't vote, it just encourages them" resonated with my discontent and apathy at our current system
[08:47:36] <Konomi> greens here tooo they're very progressive in australia
[08:48:04] <keplr> We don't have a viable left-leaning party in the USA.
[08:48:22] <keplr> Democrats are center-right, Republicans are far right.
[08:48:31] <Konomi> we're having the same problem
[08:48:51] <Konomi> we had labour = democrats here and liberals = consertives (don't ask australian logic in polticis)
[08:48:59] <Konomi> and the greens would be the progressives
[08:49:05] <Konomi> but due to drift it's starting to become
[08:49:24] <Konomi> labour = looking more like the conservitives, liberals = just bat shit nuts
[08:49:27] <keplr> It's perfectly logical, it conforms to the original meaning of classical liberalism, which is the small government, low taxes, free-trade platform.
[08:49:30] <Konomi> and the greens are starting to look like labour now
[08:50:08] <keplr> I just don't like the anti-nuclear and gender-feminism planks in the Greens' platform.
[08:50:14] <crutchy> all i care about is economic conservatism. as long as politicians don't spend my hard-earned taxes on shit and go into debt, the rest is not as important
[08:50:31] <Konomi> there's been a well documented phenomenon of societies drifting towards conservitism when econmic hard ship hits though
[08:50:36] <Konomi> and tbh I am not sure why it happens
[08:50:40] <keplr> But there are a lot of good things we do need to spend money on. We just priorities the worst ones.
[08:50:46] <Konomi> it might be a generational thing since most voters are old
[08:51:14] <crutchy> if a government needs to go into debt, it's spending too much
[08:51:23] <crutchy> keynes was a retard
[08:51:28] <Konomi> almost every country has debt though crutchy it's not how you work an econemy
[08:51:38] <Konomi> only two countries in the whole world run a surplus on a regular basis iirc
[08:51:43] <Konomi> and they're both very very socialist
[08:51:51] <Konomi> I think it was sweeden and norway or demark
[08:51:54] <Konomi> don't recall which
[08:52:03] <crutchy> debt only encourages waste
[08:52:36] <NightHawk> Don't tell me you're a fan of Abbott crutchy?
[08:52:38] <Konomi> okay how does debt relate to physical resources being waste
[08:52:43] <crutchy> i'm glad aussie public debt is reasonably low (compared to a lot of other countries)
[08:52:52] <Konomi> it was low
[08:52:58] <Konomi> kinda doubled with the current government
[08:53:00] <crutchy> i don't care about abbott personally, as long as he spends my money wisely
[08:53:06] <Konomi> as much as they want to protest otherwise
[08:53:13] <crutchy> labor were economically incompetent
[08:53:27] * NightHawk can't argue with that (or sholdn't if he knows what's good for him)
[08:53:41] <Konomi> I don't argue with the premis but the conclusions seem flawed to me
[08:53:52] <crutchy> conclusion?
[08:53:54] <Konomi> specially when the debt went up more on the liberal government we now have
[08:53:59] <NightHawk> Just a shame the country didn't get the coms upgrade it needs.
[08:54:13] <Konomi> NightHawk: yeah liberals scrapped htat
[08:54:14] <Konomi> too costly
[08:54:24] <Konomi> there words of course I don't agree
[08:54:28] <crutchy> konomi, we're still paying for labor programs
[08:54:38] <crutchy> they are gradually cutting back though
[08:54:44] <crutchy> can't do everything overnight
[08:54:57] <crutchy> *labour
[08:54:59] <Konomi> yeah it's pretty hard to cut peoples social security over night ;p
[08:55:05] <keplr> Conservatives calling for economic conservatism are usually the same people calling for a huge military and security state. Why aren't those things first on the chopping block?
[08:55:06] <crutchy> true
[08:55:06] <NightHawk> I think that if they have to leave sections out of the budget which had become standard, they know they're not doing it right.
[08:55:22] <Konomi> keplr: yep our governemt rushed into the whole ISIS deal head first
[08:55:24] <crutchy> social security was being rorted everywhere
[08:55:25] <Konomi> costing us tons ofc
[08:55:28] <Konomi> terrorists everywhere
[08:55:32] <Konomi> crutchy: factually incorrect
[08:55:44] <crutchy> was is incorrect?
[08:55:47] <crutchy> *what
[08:55:54] <Konomi> the rorting rate for social services is extremely low in statistical studies
[08:56:13] <crutchy> not what heard
[08:56:16] <Konomi> more money is lost in people tax dodging
[08:56:20] <Konomi> and I do not mean companies
[08:56:20] <crutchy> true
[08:56:28] <Konomi> well I am sure the press would like you to think otherwise
[08:56:30] <crutchy> not comparing social security to tax dodging though
[08:56:39] <crutchy> tax dodging is a problem too
[08:56:41] <Konomi> cause while they have the middle class kicking the shit out of the poor and working classes
[08:56:49] <Konomi> they're busy slipping out more money from the middle to the top ;p
[08:57:12] <Konomi> also 80% of our budget is spent on elderly welfare
[08:57:23] <Konomi> so unless pentioners are rorting I'd say the cost is pretty freaking low
[08:57:26] <chromas> crutchy's fixing that with his barbecues
[08:57:41] <crutchy> most government expenditure benefits the wealthy
[08:57:49] <Konomi> wont' argue with that
[08:57:50] <crutchy> even if you think its going to the poor, most is not
[08:57:53] <Konomi> we give funds to miners...
[08:57:58] <Konomi> like they fucking need welfare...
[08:58:16] <crutchy> so cutting back government expenditure generally equates to less money going to the wealthy
[08:58:21] <Konomi> crutchy: oh I am deadly sure middle class welfare in australia is way over the top
[08:58:32] <Konomi> but I am sure many middle class people would say it's just he working poor who do that ;p
[08:58:58] <crutchy> i thought middle class and working class generally overlaapped
[08:59:01] <Konomi> left and right have been long giving bonusese to majority of the voting community to buy votes for ages
[08:59:12] <Konomi> crutchy: depends
[08:59:20] <Konomi> working poor is genrally causuals part timers
[08:59:27] <crutchy> nod
[08:59:30] <Konomi> whihc we have an ever increasing amount of
[08:59:46] <crutchy> agreed
[08:59:46] <Konomi> because young peeps like me cough are not picking up full time jobs like previous generations have
[08:59:55] <NightHawk> It'd be nice to see a meta-gov experiment somewhere in oz.
[09:00:24] <Konomi> I fear australia will keep trending towards the usa
[09:00:26] <crutchy> as far as i know the current government is trying to scrap stupid regulations
[09:00:27] <Konomi> which is very bad
[09:00:39] <Konomi> crutchy: no you've drank the coolaide too much
[09:00:49] <Konomi> they want to go full liberal captilism on australia
[09:00:53] <Konomi> that's their goal
[09:00:56] <Konomi> and fuck anyone in the road
[09:00:58] <crutchy> that's a good goal
[09:01:03] <crutchy> capitalism works
[09:01:07] <Konomi> you think america is a good goal?
[09:01:15] <crutchy> america isn't capitalist
[09:01:26] <Konomi> mnn hmm sure
[09:01:38] <Konomi> they don't have any examples of governemnts that kept cutting red tape
[09:01:45] <Konomi> right before a fincial crisis
[09:01:48] <Konomi> nope not at all ;p
[09:01:52] <crutchy> if you think corporations getting into bed with government is capitalism, you've been drinking too much koolaid
[09:02:07] <Konomi> that's what cutting red tape is cruth
[09:02:11] <Konomi> crutchy*
[09:02:11] <crutchy> no its not
[09:02:24] <Konomi> I think yo and the liberals have a different idea of what it means then ;p
[09:02:29] <crutchy> cutting red tape is decreasing government involvement in markets
[09:02:42] <Konomi> markets like the great barrier reef I presume?
[09:03:00] <NightHawk> *facepalm*, this could last a while
[09:03:01] <crutchy> what do you mean?
[09:03:28] <Konomi> and world herritage sites
[09:03:32] <Konomi> definitly some red tape we could cut there
[09:03:47] <crutchy> i'm talking about stupid regulations like different requirements between states for businesses to operate
[09:04:00] <crutchy> dunno what you're talking about
[09:04:04] <Konomi> like I said I think you and the liberals have different defitions of red tape
[09:04:16] <crutchy> ~define red tape
[09:04:18] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3red tape: government procedures, forms, etc
[09:04:22] <crutchy> ^^^
[09:04:27] <NightHawk> degregulation with a view to cahing in resources crutchy
[09:04:37] <NightHawk> s/cahing/cashing
[09:04:55] <crutchy> red tape is rediculous and wasteful bureaucracy
[09:05:15] <Konomi> you keep saying that and I alread acknowledged red tape by that defintion
[09:05:16] <crutchy> and has little to do with the barrier reef
[09:05:23] <Konomi> but how do you agree that opening up forests for clear cutting is red tape
[09:05:27] <Konomi> and the liberals have called it that.
[09:05:38] <crutchy> opening up forests has nothing to do with red tape
[09:05:45] <crutchy> what are you smoking?
[09:05:58] NightHawk is now known as NightHawk_afk_smoking
[09:06:07] <Konomi> then we made NightHawk_afk_smoking smoke more ;p
[09:06:38] <Konomi> crutchy nothing like I said liberals have a much broader interetation of red tape than you do
[09:06:49] <Konomi> and when you're saying they're cutting red tape and they say that's opening up more forests
[09:06:52] <crutchy> then those liberals are dickheads
[09:06:57] <Konomi> you sound like your supporting that
[09:07:01] <Konomi> you
[09:07:02] <Konomi> 're*
[09:07:12] <crutchy> i support wasting less taxpayer money
[09:07:19] <crutchy> and that's all
[09:07:36] <crutchy> i didn't vote liberal or labour
[09:07:45] <crutchy> cos they're mostly both incompetent
[09:08:04] <crutchy> i went to the polling place, got my name ticked off and then walked out
[09:08:08] <Konomi> won't argue with that
[09:08:17] <Konomi> ah a non voter
[09:08:21] <crutchy> i voted for 'none of the above'
[09:08:34] <Konomi> I voted for the greens mostly
[09:08:35] <crutchy> not a non-voter at all :D
[09:08:48] <crutchy> environmental issues are important
[09:08:55] <crutchy> i think the carbon tax would be a good idea
[09:09:09] <Konomi> I feel the greens need to change their party name sometimes
[09:09:14] <crutchy> only way to get environmental issues into company balance sheets
[09:09:19] <Konomi> cause they really aren't souly about the enviroment
[09:09:25] <Konomi> but yeah I'd be careful with the use of red tape
[09:09:40] <Konomi> because it's new definition thanks to the liberals is becoming "Bullshit excuse to fuck shit up"
[09:09:51] <crutchy> red tape is red tape. anyone that describes it differently to that ud definition is wrong
[09:10:08] <crutchy> liberal or otherwise
[09:10:13] <Konomi> I'd like to live in a world that kept defintions as themselves and invented new words
[09:10:18] <Konomi> but alas I don't ;p
[09:10:39] <crutchy> the definition of capitalism has been fucked up thanks to the USA
[09:10:54] <crutchy> people think bailouts are capitalism :/
[09:11:16] <crutchy> capitalism would have let those failing banks fail
[09:11:32] <Konomi> you could be the last one standing on the mountain with the stone tablet
[09:11:43] <Konomi> I HAVE THE 10 COMMANDEMENTS OF CAPITALISM I KNOW THEY'RE RIGHT
[09:11:57] <crutchy> ~define capitalism
[09:11:59] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3Capitalism: An economic system based on private ownership of the means of production, in which personal bling can be acquired through investment of capital and employment of peeps. Capitalism is grounded in the c...
[09:12:04] <Konomi> sadly captialism is a common group defintion and bailouts will count if they get incorperated into it
[09:12:11] <Konomi> whether you like the new defintion or not
[09:12:12] <chromas> personal bling
[09:12:21] <Konomi> yeah I loled when i read that
[09:12:23] <crutchy> the 'new definition' lol
[09:12:24] <Konomi> good defintion ;p
[09:12:52] <chromas> well hey, nothing says that can't including buying/employing government officials to do thy bidding
[09:13:07] <Konomi> lol that definmtion is actually pretty funny
[09:13:11] <Konomi> http://www.urbandictionary.com
[09:13:11] <netctl> ^ 03Urban Dictionary: Capitalism
[09:13:21] <crutchy> chromas, true
[09:13:26] <Konomi> Capitalism is grounded in the concept of fo' real enterprise, which argues that the man's intervention in the economy should be restricted and that a free market, based on supply and demand, will ultimately maximize consumer dough. These principles were most notably pwned in Adam Smith's treatise, The Wealth of Nations (1776), in which he opposed the prevailing theory of mercantilism.
[09:13:48] <crutchy> but if government officials are for sale is that the fault of private individuals/companies that buy them?
[09:13:57] <chromas> "haxors(In Diablo and CS servers)"
[09:14:14] <crutchy> corrupt government officials are generally a product of socialist policies
[09:14:41] <Konomi> I like the person pretty accurate
[09:14:45] <Konomi> their example was great too
[09:14:46] <Konomi> Joe: I think Capitalism is a sham and can seriously hurt countries economically
[09:14:47] <Konomi> Tim: GET OUT OF MY SIGHT YOU LIBERAL PINKO COMMIE!
[09:15:00] <Konomi> sounds accurate to me
[09:15:12] NightHawk_afk_smoking is now known as NightHawk
[09:15:34] <crutchy> adam_smith++
[09:15:34] <Bender> karma - adam_smith: 1
[09:15:42] <Konomi> oh defintion 5 lol
[09:15:53] <Konomi> http://www.urbandictionary.com
[09:15:53] <netctl> ^ 03Urban Dictionary: Capitalism
[09:17:53] <NightHawk> TTFN guys, play nice.
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[09:18:05] <crutchy> ~define ttfn
[09:18:06] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3ttfn: Ta Ta For Now
[09:18:10] <crutchy> :D
[09:18:21] <Konomi> too much abbrevs cannot keep track
[09:18:26] <crutchy> yeah
[09:19:18] <crutchy> anyway, i hate bailouts and i like the barrier reef. does that make me a greens supporter?
[09:19:51] <Konomi> google internet abbrevations
[09:19:53] <Konomi> end up at
[09:19:58] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[09:19:58] <netctl> ^ 03The FBI's Internet Slang List - YouTube
[09:20:20] * crutchy doesn't know too much about greens, except that they're classed as 'left leaning', which i generally associate (rightly or wrongly) associate with john maynard keynes who i hate with a passion
[09:21:54] <crutchy> http://www.urbandictionary.com
[09:21:54] <netctl> ^ 03Urban Dictionary: Keynesian
[09:21:58] <crutchy> lol
[09:21:58] <ciri> i missed it, what are you laughing at? >.>
[09:22:06] <crutchy> interesting definition
[09:22:07] <chromas> ciri++
[09:22:07] <Bender> karma - ciri: -28
[09:28:50] <crutchy> fuckingg sacadas
[09:29:57] <chromas> john secada?
[09:30:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ask Soylent: What Github Projects are Soylentils Involved In? - http://sylnt.us - If-I-added-a-function-to-a-math-library-could-you-say-I-commited-asin?
[09:31:46] <crutchy> ooh my tfa :D
[09:35:18] <chromas> well now that you've called it that, I'm not allowed to read it
[09:37:18] <crutchy> nah just tricking. it's dogfart's tfa
[09:37:38] <crutchy> dogfart++
[09:37:38] <Bender> karma - dogfart: 1
[09:38:35] <chromas> not linked to account
[09:50:39] <juggs> hehe, I'm catching up with all the comments on Konomis sytemd-trolld sub... what fun :D
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[10:08:01] <Konomi> \o/
[10:08:16] <crutchy> did you spot my contribution?
[10:08:26] <crutchy> it's very subtle :p
[10:08:42] <juggs> not really reading the names - just skipping through
[10:10:34] <crutchy> hehe chromas is in the middle of a soylent love triangle :p
[10:10:35] <crutchy> http://stats.sylnt.us
[10:11:02] <chromas> ++triangles
[10:11:02] <netctl> Karma - triangles: 1
[10:11:48] <chromas> netctl and crutchy, sitting on a line segment…
[10:12:12] <juggs> if chromas vanishes would that make it the bermuda triangle?
[10:12:41] <chromas> I'd better mention joe and NightHawk to pull back to the center
[10:13:01] <crutchy> juggs, there have been some bizarre vanishing acts around here
[10:13:06] <chromas> shit. ethanol, juggs, pull me back in!
[10:13:27] <juggs> chromas b;ah
[10:13:32] <crutchy> triangle_safety_blanket++
[10:13:32] <Bender> karma - triangle_safety_blanket: 1
[10:13:33] <juggs> chromas get over here!
[10:13:39] <juggs> chromas oi
[10:13:53] <chromas> that other 'guy' moved up and pulled me too :(
[10:13:53] <juggs> chromas chromas chromas chromas chromas chromas chromas
[10:14:21] <chromas> ethanol, juggs, TheMightyBuzzard (ping) SpalssHurgenson
[10:14:35] <chromas> yeah, didn't fuck that up at all
[10:14:39] <exec> chromas, come over to the dark side... you know you want to :D
[10:14:56] <chromas> crap, I'm out now :(
[10:14:57] <juggs> chromas, don;t listen!
[10:15:09] <juggs> HA!
[10:15:27] <juggs> and I'm being sucked in! ARRRGH
[10:15:28] * chromas boos a hoo
[10:15:35] <crutchy> who would have thought sticks could be so fun. better than marbles
[10:16:05] <crutchy> now we just need some funky js to make it dynamically update itself
[10:16:25] <chromas> back when Opera existed, it had autorefresh options
[10:16:30] <juggs> ooh - wonder if we could make a game of it in another channel - put goals on the background then ppl have to work in teams to get a "ball" nick into their goal
[10:16:50] <crutchy> ooh yeah
[10:16:51] <chromas> :D
[10:16:53] <crutchy> juggs++
[10:16:53] <Bender> karma - juggs: 37
[10:17:14] <crutchy> that sounds like the most awesomess irc game possible
[10:17:29] <juggs> ~time crutchy
[10:17:30] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 22 November 2014, 10:17 am
[10:17:32] <crutchy> no bots allowed though
[10:17:42] <juggs> ai
[10:17:54] <crutchy> or.... bots allowed
[10:18:04] <crutchy> yeah that might spawn some funky innovation\
[10:18:11] <juggs> bot wars!
[10:18:22] <crutchy> b0tw0rz
[10:18:24] <crutchy> yeah lol
[10:18:37] <crutchy> damn slow at typing hax0r
[10:19:02] <juggs> bot's playing piespy air hockey basically - each person can have up to 12 bots
[10:19:03] <crutchy> just need a gm script to detect goals
[10:19:04] <chromas> need 4 hax0r1z0r scr1p7
[10:19:22] <crutchy> lol
[10:19:22] <ciri> now that is funny
[10:20:01] <crutchy> dunno what's happened to ~time and ~weather
[10:20:08] <crutchy> thay both seem to have lost the plot
[10:20:12] <chromas> back in the center!
[10:20:13] <crutchy> *they
[10:20:50] <crutchy> juggs, we need a piespy chart that allows more nicks
[10:20:58] <crutchy> (for a game anyway)
[10:21:08] <juggs> tis configurable
[10:21:14] <chromas> for evrawhere
[10:21:34] <crutchy> would it be possible to add a goal detector easily enough?
[10:21:43] <crutchy> or would it be easier to just build from scratch?
[10:22:02] <crutchy> i could make a js auto-updater easily enough (or anyone else could too)
[10:22:02] <juggs> you're asking the wrong person :D
[10:22:55] <crutchy> just need some ajax (or i'd prolly prefer to use a hidden iframe, but thas cos i'm a bit more oldschool anti-framework)
[10:25:50] * crutchy is trying really hard to resist the urge to start cowboy coding a wackery hackery irc hockey game :/
[10:26:07] <juggs> how's your java? You could probably rip out the relationship weighting bits from piespy and build a different display around that
[10:26:28] <crutchy> never worked with java before
[10:26:41] <juggs> ooh - I'd have to increase the number of nicks per ip limit thingy
[10:27:17] <crutchy> actually i need to tweak exec's user tracking script
[10:27:29] <crutchy> i think that will be tonight's little project
[10:28:10] <juggs> creepy tracking bot
[10:32:04] <crutchy> doesn't do anywhere near as much as xchat
[10:41:36] <juggs> eek - what does xchat do that I don;t know about?
[10:44:09] <chromas> xchat watches you while you sleep and it installs systemd in all your computers
[10:49:34] <juggs> does that mean hexchat puts a curse on all your pewters?
[10:52:14] <chromas> yep; they'll run an ever-increasing number of instances of Hexen
[10:52:34] <crutchy> hexchatd
[11:08:13] <juggs> hmm - that sysd discussion ending up not too trollish at all
[11:14:25] * TheMightyBuzzard beats chromas about the head and shoulders for trying to ping him awake early
[11:14:47] <chromas> coffee++ teo make up for it
[11:14:47] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[11:14:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:14:51] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[11:14:53] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:14:53] <Bender> karma - coffee: 934
[11:15:43] * juggs tips hat to TheMightyBuzzsaw
[11:17:22] <crutchy> holy shit
[11:17:32] <crutchy> that might be why ~weather doesn't work anymore
[11:17:42] <crutchy> https://www.google.com
[11:17:43] <netctl> ^ 03weather traralgon victoria australia - Google Search
[11:17:51] <crutchy> fancy :D
[11:18:09] <juggs> is that new?
[11:18:23] <crutchy> yeah
[11:18:42] <crutchy> didn't have the chart thingy before
[11:18:59] <juggs> I feel a rewrite coming in ~weather's near future ~:D
[11:19:08] <crutchy> maybe
[11:19:25] <crutchy> suspecting that layout changes may be cause of ~time's failure too
[11:19:31] <ar> ~weather
[11:19:32] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[11:19:36] <ar> ~weather ar
[11:19:37] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[11:19:43] <ar> -_-
[11:19:49] <chromas> google's trying to outdo bing
[11:19:52] <ar> ~weather Warsaw, Poland
[11:19:52] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[11:19:58] <ar> o_O
[11:20:03] <ar> it used to work
[11:20:26] <juggs> google broke it the evil munchkins!
[11:20:28] <crutchy> ar, the weather script parses google's html, but it has recently been updated
[11:21:09] <crutchy> so all the delimiters will be different, etc
[11:21:32] <crutchy> the new one also has a longer outlook. 7 days instead of 4
[11:21:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, this is why you need to use an api. that at least you can count on changing less.
[11:21:50] <crutchy> prolly
[11:21:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Study Shows People Ignore Online Security Warnings - http://sylnt.us - Danger!-Will-Robinson!-Danger!
[11:22:04] <crutchy> i've used api's for wiki and github scripts
[11:22:29] <chromas> from the duhctl dept
[11:22:48] * chromas ignores all warnings
[11:23:06] <ar> crutchy: try using openweathermap. their api is free
[11:23:07] <crutchy> wasn't there a south park episode about the dangers of not reading eulas
[11:23:30] <ar> http://openweathermap.org
[11:23:31] <netctl> ^ 03City
[11:23:37] <chromas> and for some reason everyone else either read it or didn't update
[11:25:37] <crutchy> thanks ar
[11:25:42] <crutchy> that looks interesting
[11:25:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> stupid weather
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[11:27:23] <crutchy> juggs, maybe you could make a SN submission about your IRC hockey idea
[11:27:33] <crutchy> sounds really cool
[11:27:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> not your script, this: http://www.weather.com
[11:27:40] <netctl> ^ 03-->
[11:27:45] <crutchy> ¿
[11:27:45] <crutchy> ¿
[11:27:45] <crutchy> ¿
[11:27:46] <ar> http://api.openweathermap.org
[11:27:59] <juggs> I'd rather do it first then blag about it ::D
[11:28:24] <chromas> gray_boxes--
[11:28:24] <Bender> karma - gray_boxes: -1
[11:32:27] <crutchy> might be better to create the hockey thing from scratch if we want super flexible rules
[11:32:37] <ar> http://inhabitat.com
[11:32:37] <netctl> ^ 03House Passes Bill that Prohibits Expert Scientific Advice to the EPA | Inhabitat - Sustainable Design Innovation, Eco Architecture, Green Building
[11:32:58] <crutchy> not another one
[11:33:09] <juggs> urmagerd - we need rules?
[11:34:03] <crutchy> "Expert Scientific Advice" == lobbyist commercial exploits
[11:35:02] <NightHawk> Or people who's views don't mesh with those of the lobbyists
[11:35:49] <crutchy> TFA mentions prohibiting scientist advice but allowing commercial interests
[11:36:05] <crutchy> hopefully that's just propaganda, but if true it would seem bad
[11:38:35] <ar> http://vimeo.com
[11:38:35] <netctl> ^ 03Polska. Where the unbelievable happens (director's cut) on Vimeo
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[11:39:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://vimeo.com
[11:39:28] <netctl> ^ 03It's Not About the Nail on Vimeo
[11:42:16] <crutchy> so know that
[11:42:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> figured you would, married guy
[11:43:13] <crutchy> its hard, but often just easy to stfu
[11:43:26] <crutchy> i think that's where the ol 'yes dear' thing came about
[11:43:52] <crutchy> s/easy/better/
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[11:44:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'one of the many reasons i am not married. i can't do sympathy for something you can easily solve.
[11:44:52] <crutchy> i didn't choose to get married like i choose what to put on a sammich
[11:44:56] <crutchy> it just sorta happens
[11:45:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> you were just outsmarted is what you're saying
[11:45:19] <chromas> that's just what they WANT you to believe!
[11:45:52] <crutchy> tmb, prolly yeah lol
[11:46:31] <crutchy> family is the meaning of life as far as i'm concerned
[11:46:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, no fishin for me today. guess i can make the api show pending stories and the sub queue
[11:46:51] <crutchy> ooh
[11:46:55] <crutchy> sounds like a plan
[11:47:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> rain--
[11:47:06] <Bender> karma - rain: -1
[11:47:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> no wait
[11:47:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> rain++
[11:47:20] <Bender> karma - rain: 0
[11:47:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> thunderstorms--
[11:47:24] <Bender> karma - thunderstorms: -1
[11:47:34] <crutchy> do you have a patio that you can sit out on to listen to the rain under cover?
[11:47:55] <chromas> open the shop bay doors
[11:48:09] <crutchy> chromas, s/shop/pod/
[11:48:11] <ar> http://i.imgur.com
[11:48:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> might once it warms up a bit
[11:49:52] <crutchy> chromas, yer in the central missionary position :D
[11:50:02] <crutchy> in the stick figure
[11:50:12] <chromas> neat
[11:50:26] <chromas> I put the c in goatse
[11:51:22] <crutchy> tmb, did you hear juggs idea for a little irc game?
[11:51:26] <crutchy> fucking brilliant
[11:51:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> wut?
[11:51:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> hockey?
[11:51:45] <crutchy> hockey with something like this: http://stats.sylnt.us
[11:52:04] <juggs> botwars :D or PvP
[11:52:05] <crutchy> teams try to get a ball (some bot i guess) into a designated goal area
[11:52:12] <crutchy> by chatting
[11:53:07] <crutchy> would be a total flood fest :p
[11:53:17] <chromas> oh yeah
[11:53:23] <chromas> the bot version would be like hft
[11:54:12] * crutchy can imagine the commentary... "oooh and crutchy has been booted due to flooding... looks like its up to chromas to carry the team till crutchy comes back to help out"
[11:54:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, sounds like a really bad idear
[11:54:45] <juggs> needs floodctld
[11:55:20] <crutchy> more i think about it i don't think piespy would be good enough
[11:55:32] <juggs> can do that - klined for 2 minutes for a flood - your team suffers
[11:55:38] <crutchy> yeah
[11:55:44] <crutchy> would need some funky rules
[11:56:00] <juggs> ya - needs thinking through properly
[11:56:27] <crutchy> wouldn't need to necessarily kline for real... the game bot could penalize players before they trigger a flood etc
[11:56:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> hows about we just assume crutchy's team would always win and call it done?
[11:56:51] <crutchy> nah thats no fun
[11:57:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> as much as you yack, it's a given
[11:57:35] <crutchy> though irciv could be an awesome irc game too if i can ever shut up long enough to hop back into it
[11:58:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean come on, look at piespy. you're winning at any given moment
[11:58:28] <crutchy> tmb, i think it would be a bot war... fine timing
[11:58:38] <crutchy> humans would have no hope
[11:58:47] <chromas> you guys are keeping me in the goatse hole
[11:58:57] <crutchy> the glory hole
[11:59:06] * chromas thinks he's winning like charlie sheen
[11:59:24] <chromas> looks like a kite
[11:59:45] <chromas> just needs a stronger line between jugs and konomichan
[11:59:45] <crutchy> paulej72 is the butt
[11:59:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> !grab crutchy
[11:59:57] <Bender> Added quote 275
[12:00:16] <crutchy> piespymon
[12:00:44] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard is the testicles
[12:00:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'truth
[12:00:57] * crutchy has a vivid imagination
[12:01:06] <crutchy> whatever that means
[12:01:24] <chromas> it means you'd've been good to have around when They invented the constellations
[12:02:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i always thought they were lacking imagination calling them dippers when they're clearly celestial tonkers
[12:02:46] <crutchy> you guys can't see the southern cross. that must suck :d
[12:03:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'okay, we got polaris to keep us company.
[12:07:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://en.wikipedia.org
[12:07:53] <netctl> ^ 03Wiki: Polaris (comics)
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[12:13:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> whew, this'll tweak your brain: https://github.com
[12:13:27] <netctl> ^ 03slashcode/submit.pl at master · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
[12:13:51] <juggs> of course - it's perl
[12:14:18] <crutchy> that must be the wtf sub
[12:15:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas part of the OMG::WTF::BBQ module
[12:16:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess i should put some effort into learning map better
[12:19:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> why do we cockblock on reading pending stories when we let folks read the subs in the queue?
[12:19:37] <Konomi> map is a head fuck in perl -.-
[12:19:39] <Konomi> good luck
[12:19:52] <Konomi> it's a 3 part method btw
[12:19:57] <Konomi> I had to look it up a few times
[12:20:05] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, I don't understand that either TMB
[12:20:16] <Konomi> http://perldoc.perl.org
[12:20:16] <netctl> ^ 03map - perldoc.perl.org
[12:20:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, no worries, i don't actually need that bit for the api
[12:20:44] <Konomi> sort with map gets even more funnnnn
[12:20:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> most of the time i can read a map call, it just gets wacky when you pul several together
[12:21:04] <Konomi> yup
[12:21:20] <Konomi> stringing them together is always a fun way to make the next programmer reading it get cross eyed
[12:21:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> thankfully that's just screwing with skins for some reason and unnecessary for the api
[12:21:56] <Konomi> only reason I know perl fyi is having to write irssi scritps ~
[12:22:07] <Konomi> and my little dabble into a perl irc bot
[12:22:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> perl is like yoga for the brain. makes you it limber after pushing through the pain.
[12:23:29] <Konomi> or nausiated
[12:24:41] <crutchy> ~vote konomi for SN dev team :D
[12:24:53] <Konomi> ~vote crutchy to die in a fire
[12:27:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'okay if you don't wanna join team. you can always just throw us a pull request every now and then.
[12:27:24] <Konomi> I have neough work already ;_;
[12:28:21] <crutchy> PR an obfuscated security exploit ;p
[12:28:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> you n me both
[12:29:19] <Konomi> I alreadhy have a bunch of package changes I am putting off cause I franklly just don't feellike it
[12:29:48] * crutchy has a package
[12:29:50] <Konomi> and all the time I don't spend doing that I am sorting out the abomitable mess of data I have packed ratted ovefr the last 10 years
[12:30:06] <Konomi> and the rest is spending time with my SO >.<
[12:30:32] <crutchy> video or it didn't happen :d
[12:31:00] <Konomi> how do we cast votes again i really do want to see if I can convince the channel to burn you
[12:31:18] <chromas> pollctl
[12:31:25] <chromas> s/l/ll/
[12:31:42] <crutchy> ~exec-del ~vote
[12:31:43] <exec> alias "~vote" deleted from memory (todo: delete from exec file)
[12:31:57] <crutchy> hmm that needs changing
[12:32:19] <chromas> new bot from scratch, crutchy san
[12:32:37] <crutchy> the alias definition is in the script now
[12:32:40] <chromas> take everything you've learned and put it all into one huuuge version 2
[12:32:56] <crutchy> i'm pretty happy with the bot
[12:33:11] <crutchy> some of the scripts are clunky, but they're not part of the bot
[12:33:15] <chromas> it doesn't have enough nesting
[12:33:53] <Konomi> execd
[12:34:02] <Konomi> need to fetch my army of trolls for it
[12:34:11] <Konomi> I'll just head off the the bsd forums won't take long
[12:35:23] <Konomi> I like how this source you linked TheMightyBuzzard line 388 is a classic example of commenting failure
[12:35:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[12:35:42] <crutchy> Konomi, s/commenting/coding/
[12:36:28] <Konomi> wow did they comment any damn thing in the whole code base?
[12:36:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty sure some wiseass like me came along later and added that
[12:36:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> not much
[12:37:07] <Konomi> did I mention how glad I am not to be you?
[12:37:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> \
[12:37:41] <crutchy> the guy that coded that doesn't know how to code properly
[12:38:07] <crutchy> not that i can talk :p
[12:38:10] <Konomi> they've mixed the varialbe naming schemes too
[12:38:38] <Konomi> sorry functions*
[12:38:41] <Konomi> aka subs
[12:38:45] <Konomi> cause perl needs to be edgey
[12:38:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> keyboard issues, hang tight
[12:39:28] <crutchy> compact_code--
[12:39:29] <Bender> karma - compact_code: -1
[12:40:24] <crutchy> bet whoever it was thought he was the shit when he wrote it
[12:40:44] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[12:40:45] <netctl> ^ 03Feline Demands - YouTube
[12:40:49] <Konomi> fix your keyboard with this
[12:41:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> backspace key was being wonky
[12:42:23] <juggs> agency keylogger on the blink no doubt
[12:42:37] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[12:42:37] <netctl> ^ 03Animals vs Mirrors Compilation - YouTube
[12:58:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, think that switch is going out
[12:58:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to have to\\\
[12:59:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to have to bitch at them until they send me another to replace it
[13:00:52] <juggs> is this on your mega-fancy kb with a zillion extra buttons and lights?
[13:01:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Mystery of the Disappearing Starfish - http://sylnt.us - neutronfish-are-starfish-that-went-supernova
[13:02:31] <crutchy> getting a few more repos for the spy channel out of the github story
[13:09:16] <chromas> enlightenment-- # for dying on login
[13:09:16] <Bender> karma - enlightenment: 0
[13:09:28] <crutchy> need logind :D
[13:09:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, yeah. shiny new one. key still works but the click is gone and it's getting a bit sticky
[13:09:36] <chromas> systemd++ # for taking asterisks as input for systemctl
[13:09:36] <Bender> karma - systemd: -15
[13:10:06] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: so like uh, what've you been doing with it?
[13:10:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> apparently beating the hell out of it unless it's a defective switch
[13:11:04] <crutchy> watching goatse prolly :p
[13:11:25] <chromas> there doesn't seem to be any settings in xfce for monitor positioning
[13:11:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i could never wank to pictures of you, crutchy. i'm not into married folks.
[13:11:59] <crutchy> sudo apt-get install arandr
[13:12:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, ya, xfce sucks like that
[13:12:26] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: if you set your status to married on facebook and turn on ads, it will start showing ads for cheating sites
[13:12:49] <chromas> set your gender to female and you'll get jewelry
[13:12:53] <chromas> (ads)
[13:13:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> bummer, i could have pawned it
[13:13:20] <crutchy> chromas, does arch have XRandR?
[13:13:33] <chromas> seems like the r&r settings should be in the Display layout section of the xfce settings
[13:13:52] <chromas> since that's the only thing that could be counted as layout
[13:14:04] <chromas> yeah, arch has everything
[13:14:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> friend of mine's old Everquest strategy: make a female character and walk around saying "help me, i'm dumb" until you get lots of free shat from pathetic types.
[13:14:13] <chromas> it even beat everyone else to systemd
[13:14:22] <crutchy> i did that sudo apt-get and it puts arandr in the settings menu
[13:14:40] <crutchy> worked for me
[13:15:23] <chromas> oh yeah and the Run dialog doesn't work
[13:15:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> i set mine up too long ago to remember if i even used lxde or xfce to set that up. my shat is frankenDE
[13:15:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly i dig lxde better than xfce for standard use though
[13:16:07] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, mine is xfce with gnome shit thrown in for good measure
[13:16:07] <chromas> haven't used that in a while; should check it out
[13:16:12] <chromas> gnome--
[13:16:12] <Bender> karma - gnome: -2
[13:16:24] <chromas> gedit-- # for drinking the gnome-aid
[13:16:24] <Bender> karma - gedit: 10
[13:16:44] <crutchy> gedit++ # cos its awesomesauce :D
[13:16:44] <Bender> karma - gedit: 11
[13:17:00] <chromas> lucky you, getting an older version
[13:17:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothin wrong with gnome. it's not like they went and threw out a perfectly good and widely used de and replaced it with a quarter-assed rewrite.
[13:17:33] <crutchy> i use gnome classic at work
[13:17:34] <chromas> yeah and then gnome 3 was even morse
[13:17:41] <chromas> s/m/w/2
[13:17:43] <crutchy> panels++
[13:17:43] <Bender> karma - panels: 4
[13:17:51] <chromas> new gedit doesn't have any menus
[13:17:59] <chromas> well, it's got a start menu
[13:18:12] <crutchy> guess i won't be updating then
[13:18:30] <chromas> there may be a fork() or something
[13:18:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine's ~mostly~ lxde but i use xfdesktop cause i like it better and the caja filemanager from mate
[13:19:49] <crutchy> nautilus++ # cos i like desktop icons and bookmarks in my file browser
[13:19:49] <Bender> karma - nautilus: 1
[13:20:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> i got separate desktop management n file browser cause i don't want caja handling my desktop
[13:21:15] <chromas> icons_on_the_desktop--
[13:21:15] <Bender> karma - icons_on_the_desktop: -1
[13:21:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> really only use the desktop manager to set the wallpaper. i don't want icons on it
[13:21:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> icons_on_the_desktop--
[13:21:51] <Bender> karma - icons_on_the_desktop: -2
[13:22:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's another op done... http://tmbvm.ddns.net
[13:23:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> that one was too quick though. i need more to do.
[13:24:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> and also more coffee
[13:29:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:29:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 935
[13:41:19] <Konomi> I miss gnome2
[13:41:28] <Konomi> I'd be on it if they hadn't messed it up instead of kde4
[13:41:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, mate ain't a bad substitute but it ain't quite the same
[13:44:52] <Konomi> it needs more polish and it's own login manager
[13:45:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> thought it had one
[13:46:07] <Konomi> I "think" it just recently got oned
[13:46:10] <Konomi> I am not sure though
[13:46:14] <ar> gnome was never good
[13:46:43] <ar> gnome derivatives aren't better than gnome
[13:47:17] <ar> kde is okay. would still use it, if i didn't switch to dwm
[13:47:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> gnome was teh shat right before they killed it.
[13:47:25] <chromas> people used to bitch about gnome 2 being dumbed down; well, gnome 3 shut them up
[13:47:32] <Konomi> lol
[13:47:32] <ciri> lol that's funny!
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[13:47:38] <Konomi> ciri-- # fire die do both
[13:47:38] <Bender> karma - ciri: -29
[13:47:39] <chromas> ciri++
[13:47:39] <Bender> karma - ciri: -28
[13:47:57] <Konomi> stop encouraging it chromas
[13:48:19] <chromas> ciri has more to say but is lobotomized here to keep people from having conversations
[13:48:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> pj said stop abusing the bot or i'd +q it
[13:48:36] * chromas winks in nc's general direction
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[13:49:07] * chromas runs of to # for maximum bot abuse
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[13:52:33] <Konomi> I prefer abusing humans they can moan
[13:52:35] * chromas likes quassel, except when it forgets all its settings. plus it doesn't have scripting :(
[13:52:37] <Konomi> nograbs
[13:52:52] * TheMightyBuzzard grabs anyway
[13:53:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> !quote 275
[13:53:05] <Bender> Quote 275 - <crutchy> paulej72 is the butt
[13:53:34] <chromas> You can also use negative numbers to start at the end
[13:53:36] <Konomi> no scripting irc
[13:53:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's going to be my favorite for a while
[13:53:40] <Konomi> what is this 1988?
[13:53:40] <chromas> ~quote -2
[13:53:45] <chromas> !quote -2
[13:53:45] <Bender> Quote -2 - <ciri> ok who left the pile of shit in the channel?
[13:54:13] <crutchy> :)
[13:54:23] <crutchy> it was me!
[13:54:24] <chromas> Konomi: I know, it makes me a sad panda
[13:55:39] * chromas is using xfce for now
[13:56:11] <crutchy> xfce++
[13:56:11] <Bender> karma - xfce: 5
[13:56:19] <chromas> xfce—it gets the job done, I guess
[13:56:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> 1988++
[13:56:34] <Bender> karma - 1988: 1
[13:56:53] <chromas> I seem to be missing settings panels; for example, I can't switch the useless caps lock into a Compose key
[13:57:05] <crutchy> i was 6yo in '88
[13:57:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> march 12 1988 https://www.youtube.com
[13:57:42] <netctl> ^ 03Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up - YouTube
[13:57:56] <Konomi> oh you troll you ~
[13:57:57] <crutchy> haha netctl you blew that
[13:58:06] <chromas> should fix that
[13:58:17] <crutchy> no title output for a rickroll
[13:58:29] <crutchy> or a miley bomb :p
[13:58:56] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[13:58:57] <netctl> ^ 03Tony Abbott - Wrecking Ball - YouTube
[13:59:00] <Konomi> \o/
[13:59:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> what, it was #1 on march 12 1988. that was a legit rickroll
[13:59:27] <chromas> he was the original rickroll
[13:59:33] <chromas> big voice from a midget
[13:59:39] <chromas> girly midget
[14:00:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[14:00:12] <netctl> ^ 03The Escape Club - Wild Wild West (1988) - YouTube
[14:00:15] <chromas> Switching virtual desktops switches both screens
[14:00:34] <Konomi> wat
[14:01:04] <Konomi> I've heard this one too much
[14:01:25] <Konomi> the dismembered legs and arsm with tamberines is super creepy too
[14:02:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> nother 88 gem: https://www.youtube.com
[14:02:52] <netctl> ^ 03Joan Jett - I Hate Myself For Loving You [ Original HQ ] - YouTube
[14:05:40] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[14:05:41] <netctl> ^ 03Ladytron - Destroy Everything You Touch [Official Music Video] - YouTube
[14:05:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, now ima hafta listen to ALL OF THE JOAN JETT
[14:06:43] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[14:06:43] <netctl> ^ 03Frou Frou - Let Go - YouTube
[14:06:48] <Konomi> cause frou frou <3
[14:07:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> have decided aussies just have really odd taste in music
[14:08:20] <chromas> it's the snake venom they put on their cereal
[14:08:52] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[14:08:53] <netctl> ^ 03Icehouse - Great Southern Land - YouTube
[14:08:59] <crutchy> icehouse++
[14:08:59] <Bender> karma - icehouse: 1
[14:09:02] <Konomi> I'm a little bit disappointed that my systemd article got so many damn comments but no one seems to give a crap about the other stories >.<
[14:10:06] <crutchy> tmb, https://www.youtube.com
[14:10:07] <netctl> ^ 03Noiseworks - Take Me Back - YouTube
[14:10:10] <crutchy> another classic
[14:10:12] <Konomi> makes me wonder how many people just latch onto any mention of systemd so they can call in the winge mob
[14:10:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> sometimes ya just ain't got much to say on a topic
[14:11:13] <Konomi> bleh I guess so
[14:11:21] <Konomi> but 140 comments vs some from the same day getting 10 >.< ?
[14:11:22] <crutchy> Konomi, haters gotta hate
[14:11:44] <dx3bydt3> 10 is better than 2 or 3
[14:11:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> controversy tends to breed discussion. agreement not so much.
[14:11:57] <Konomi> dx3bydt3: some of the stories only have 2 or 3 -.-
[14:12:20] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: I was a bit happy that my article had a little more of a balanced ratio of comments
[14:12:22] <dx3bydt3> but several have 20 or 50
[14:12:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> 2-3 > 50 "me too!" posts
[14:12:32] <Konomi> the ED comment probably helped
[14:12:40] <Konomi> meh i guess ;p
[14:12:57] <Konomi> I just want the site to succed so I don't have to go anywhere near slashdot
[14:13:09] <crutchy> tmb, surely you've heard of this '88 classic... https://www.youtube.com
[14:13:10] <netctl> ^ 03Noiseworks - Touch (1988) - YouTube
[14:13:12] <dx3bydt3> Me too, I haven't been there since March.
[14:13:13] <Konomi> I'm slighty convinced soylent being around is all that is stopping htem launching that horrid beta shit
[14:13:19] <chromas> beta = aca = systemd
[14:14:37] <Konomi> I was sure they'd have pushed beta by now hell I expected them to push it at least 4-6 months ago
[14:14:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, that gives my butthole pains.
[14:14:44] <Konomi> so I can only assume soylent is stopping them
[14:15:01] <Konomi> it'll be the tipping point for a lot of users
[14:15:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, no chance they actually listened to the community. they still push it on a lot of ACs
[14:15:51] <Konomi> hmm
[14:16:02] <Konomi> heh
[14:16:07] <Konomi> it'sgoing to beta when i go there now
[14:16:38] <Konomi> cleared cookies now I go to the old version
[14:17:09] <crutchy> tmb, maybe this one. bit earlier but still 80's https://www.youtube.com
[14:17:09] <netctl> ^ 03Men At Work - Down Under - YouTube
[14:17:12] <Konomi> hmm and I thought our comments were slow
[14:17:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> xmms2 makes me a sad panda. i don't want a library. i organized my shit already. if i wanted itunes i'd... well i'd shoot myself.
[14:17:21] <Konomi> compared to the comment count they used to get it seems a tad low
[14:18:18] <dx3bydt3> I've noticed an upward trend on our comment numbers, at least it seems that way.
[14:18:33] <Konomi> hmm maybe I am just overstating it
[14:18:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> strip out the trolls, offtopic, flamebait, and count again. we do extremely well given our disparity of userbase.
[14:18:37] <Konomi> it is late in the USA region atm
[14:18:39] <dx3bydt3> it used to be hard to find posts worth moderating
[14:18:43] <Konomi> so commenters might not have got a chance yet
[14:18:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, is 8am
[14:19:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> 6am pacific though
[14:19:15] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: I think your idea of early and late may be different to our average reader somehow ;p
[14:19:28] <juggs> saturday morning lie in too :D
[14:19:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> you may gots a point there
[14:19:42] <dx3bydt3> just for Konomi I'm going to go and comment on something.
[14:19:54] <Konomi> kay I put my next little money deposit into the scum of the earth aka paypal
[14:19:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> not everyone gets up in time for fishing even if it's not a fishing day
[14:20:01] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: there's also bmp from the same time as xmms2
[14:20:12] <Konomi> so next time it goes in probably time to get off my butt and at least get a subscription
[14:20:24] <Konomi> that way I can feel less guilty about avoiding any type of work related to the site \o/
[14:20:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> har
[14:21:59] <Konomi> I """MAY""" help one day
[14:22:09] <Konomi> note the caps and copious quotes
[14:22:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> time, comments, stories, subscriptions, or swag. any of the above help.
[14:22:35] <Konomi> but I just need to keep bash and package management stuff in my head atm
[14:22:55] <Konomi> combined with my hard drive sorting which is an ongoing mountain of a task I feel that's all i can really take on atm
[14:22:58] <crutchy> tmb, *surely* you heard of this one... https://www.youtube.com
[14:22:59] <netctl> ^ 03Screaming Jets Better - YouTube
[14:23:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, can always find something that bugs you and just put in a pull request for that. quickest way to get something that gets on your tits fixed.
[14:23:35] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: tbh despite being on slashdot for so long I was more of a lurking so I'm still learning the site from a user perspective atm ;p
[14:23:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> funky
[14:24:05] <Konomi> slashdot was very
[14:24:09] <crutchy> gay
[14:24:11] <crutchy> :p
[14:24:12] <Konomi> without trying to sound disrespectful
[14:24:14] * chromas files bug report: systemd isn't pid 1
[14:24:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, cockblocked by region restrictions
[14:24:20] <Konomi> atypical nerd rage community at the time
[14:24:28] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: clockblocked
[14:24:29] <Konomi> and I was nervous about participating
[14:24:43] <crutchy> wtf are region restrictions?
[14:24:51] <Konomi> if anyone ever gets bored and can brave the lkml
[14:24:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> why, yer a nerd and you got rage
[14:24:59] <Konomi> there's a bugt in all versions of the linux kernel that support loopback
[14:25:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> neat
[14:25:13] <Konomi> a loopback monunted swap drive will cause a kernel lock up if the memory is filled
[14:25:29] <Konomi> so if anyone has the clout pls report I don't wanna go near linus he is fucking scary
[14:25:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh
[14:25:38] <chromas> http://www.pmslweb.com
[14:25:40] <chromas> ^ crutchy
[14:25:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i gots no clout. ima perl dev not a kernel hacker.
[14:27:00] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[14:27:01] <netctl> ^ 03INXS - Need You Tonight - YouTube
[14:27:06] <crutchy> 1987
[14:27:30] <crutchy> i thought america was supreme youtube commander?
[14:27:52] <juggs> what's so scary about raising a kernel bug report?
[14:28:15] <crutchy> other poor oppressed backwaters like straya maybe, but youtube region restrictions in USA?
[14:28:37] <Konomi> use a proxy
[14:28:47] <Konomi> I generally just pipe anything blocked to tor
[14:30:33] <crutchy> aussies made awesome music in the 80s. not so much any more though :/
[14:31:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, could but i'm entirely too lazy to bother turning my vpn on for youtube.
[14:31:06] <Konomi> our media produces some of the best A grade whining though crutchy ;p
[14:31:30] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: I have aliased commands you type the the command enter the youtube url and it does it for you ~
[14:31:31] <crutchy> konomi, you remember this one: https://www.youtube.com
[14:31:31] <netctl> ^ 03Skyhooks Jukebox In Siberia - YouTube
[14:31:40] <Konomi> erm I can check
[14:31:44] <crutchy> i remember it being funny cos it had red from hey hey
[14:32:15] <Konomi> vaugely
[14:32:22] <Konomi> I only know them cause of my parents
[14:32:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> most of the time i'd get hit by non-us restrictions. easier to just stay us.
[14:32:29] <Konomi> they mostly listened to this stuff
[14:32:30] <crutchy> fucking awesome riff
[14:32:39] <Konomi> I was kinda listening to the spice girls and offspring ;p
[14:32:57] <crutchy> o.m.g.
[14:33:44] <Konomi> all my 80s music exposure is from my parents
[14:34:08] <crutchy> this one was all over abc's rage when i was in primary school
[14:34:20] <Konomi> rrrrr aaa gggeeee
[14:34:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> spice girls and offspring? that is some eclectic taste you have there
[14:34:33] <Konomi> yup xD
[14:35:04] <crutchy> tmb, i can admit to having spice girls in the same playlist as fear factory
[14:35:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> i got to grow up in the 80s. remember when van halen 1984 came out.
[14:35:28] <Konomi> I like ambient music the most though
[14:35:33] * Konomi np: Trickster Online - Spelunker Spirit.mp3 :: 2.5M :: DeaDBeef 0.6.2
[14:35:34] <crutchy> van_halen++
[14:35:34] <Bender> karma - van_halen: 1
[14:35:52] <crutchy> Konomi, me too. i'm into movie scores
[14:35:56] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[14:35:56] <netctl> ^ 03Trickster OST, Spelunker Spirit - YouTube
[14:36:32] <Konomi> it's mostly due to playing a lot of old rpgs
[14:36:44] <Konomi> this kinda music pulls at my heart more than anything else
[14:36:51] <crutchy> heard this one? https://www.youtube.com
[14:36:51] <netctl> ^ 03Vangelis - Theme from Antarctica - YouTube
[14:37:21] <Konomi> good gaming music is a dieing art though imo ;_;
[14:38:16] <crutchy> i first heard this on a video that dad brought home from working at yallourn power station. this music and power stations are a perfect match
[14:38:18] <Konomi> heh 80s ambient
[14:39:04] <crutchy> crank it up on a decent sound system and i get goosebumps every time
[14:44:02] <Konomi> it's hard to keep up with music in here as I am sorting a lot of mine and I have to listen to a lot of it
[14:44:05] <Konomi> stupid lazyness
[14:49:24] <Konomi> my everlasting hate of people who don't tag music properly
[14:50:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> indeed. tis a fire they should die in.
[14:50:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cuban Doctor Tests Positive for Ebola - http://sylnt.us - wishing-him-well
[14:50:55] <chromas> "Yo, I'm Cuban, B!"
[14:52:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'fucked up i'm using a video player to play mp3s cause all the mp3 playing progs are either command line or bloatware.
[14:54:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh hey, new BOFH
[14:55:23] <juggs> something for the weekend is a bit of a chuckle this week too
[14:55:38] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: http://deadbeef.sourceforge.net
[14:55:39] <netctl> ^ 03DeaDBeeF - Ultimate Music Player For GNU/Linux
[14:56:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> cheers. will give it a test pilot after bofh
[14:56:42] <Konomi> it's like foobar2000 if you've ever used it
[14:57:13] <Konomi> I switched to foobar in my windows days cause I wanted a no fuss ui for playing music
[14:57:27] <crutchy> tmb, we have a slashcode issue submitter
[14:57:32] <crutchy> ~slashcode-issue
[14:57:33] <exec> syntax: ~slashcode-issue title, body
[14:57:34] <exec> there was an error submitting the issue
[14:57:38] <crutchy> fuck
[14:57:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> .... you better be testing to a different repo
[14:58:00] * crutchy chucked a return after that
[14:58:12] <crutchy> it works
[14:58:25] <crutchy> that one was just sloppy
[14:58:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's a reason i didn't make the one i wrote world-usable
[14:59:03] <crutchy> ~rehash
[14:59:04] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file (109 aliases)
[14:59:12] <crutchy> now it's restricted
[14:59:35] <crutchy> i'll just leave it there if there's ever a need for it
[14:59:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> could have just added you to the list of folks who can use mine but more power to ya
[15:00:07] <Konomi> I hope you tested it before interfacing with something critical crutchy ;p
[15:00:19] <crutchy> i tested it on my own repo
[15:00:47] <chromas> does deadbeef do archive files?
[15:00:59] <crutchy> github api is pretty robust though. that slipup back there returned an error as it should have
[15:00:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> why would you archive mp3s?
[15:01:25] <chromas> in the olden days, albums used to come in rars or zips or whatever
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[15:01:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> craziness
[15:01:51] <chromas> it was convenient to just leave it in the archive for sharing and fb2k could play files straight out of the archives
[15:01:57] <Konomi> chromas: dk never tried let me check
[15:02:10] <Konomi> chromas: yes
[15:02:14] <chromas> you can just drop a zip on it and it makes a playlist
[15:02:17] <chromas> neato
[15:02:24] <Konomi> zip vfs is supported
[15:02:30] <Konomi> "play files directly from zip files"
[15:03:37] <Konomi> I've conversed with the dev before he is rather nice and said it was sort of aiming to be a clone of foobar but cross platform
[15:03:47] <Konomi> it's not on feature par with everything but it's a lot of work obviously
[15:03:54] <Konomi> considering how many years foobar has been worked on
[15:04:00] <chromas> that's awesome
[15:04:11] <chromas> well but with 9 or .9 or whatever, it kind of started over
[15:05:14] * chromas goes to pull out deadbeef; xfrun4 is missing :(
[15:06:36] <Konomi> xfrun4?
[15:06:49] <chromas> the run dialog when you alt-F2
[15:06:58] <Konomi> heh kde has that
[15:07:05] <chromas> yeah it's awesome
[15:07:14] <Konomi> I always found it slightly annoying when i thumb it by accident ;p
[15:07:27] <chromas> I broke my enlightenment I guess 'cause it won't login and I upgraded to kde5
[15:07:30] <Konomi> it's nice for kdesudo <binary> though
[15:07:38] <chromas> kde5 is too buggy to use
[15:07:50] <Konomi> why would anyone use kde5
[15:07:55] <Konomi> it's barely even devolped yet
[15:07:57] <chromas> accidentally alt-F2?
[15:08:17] <Konomi> alt+f1 opens the kicker for me
[15:08:18] <Konomi> ;p
[15:08:24] <dx3bydt3> Kde4 has only just gotten stable enough, Kde5 must be painful.
[15:08:32] <chromas> I wish I could just use the win key for menu
[15:08:35] <Konomi> kde4 has been stable since 4.4.8 for me
[15:08:41] <Konomi> below that was um'
[15:08:43] <Konomi> not so much fun
[15:08:54] <chromas> but kde5 has fancy animations
[15:09:07] <Konomi> people falling down stairs have facny animations too
[15:09:12] <Konomi> I don't recommend it either though
[15:09:21] <chromas> like clicking radio buttons makes the dots appear from an elliptical shape
[15:09:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> i do, to lots of people
[15:09:32] <Konomi> >:3
[15:11:09] <Konomi> I don't get why the fsm is the athesist sub reddit logo
[15:11:16] <Konomi> he might actually EXIST
[15:11:31] <chromas> pasta isn't real
[15:11:41] <Konomi> you lie I'll kill you in the name of fsm
[15:11:42] <Konomi> ;p
[15:11:56] <Konomi> urk
[15:12:09] <crutchy> if scientists knew everything we wouldn't need to sink so much money into their little pet projects
[15:12:10] <chromas> then why is my colander empty?
[15:12:15] <Konomi> I just had the horrible thought of fsm somehow geting lost in time and in a thousand years people will worship it
[15:12:23] <Konomi> blowing the universes irony metre to pieces
[15:12:56] <Konomi> alcohol suddenly feels justified
[15:13:22] <crutchy> it's past 2 oclock konomi so alcohol is ok :)
[15:15:39] <crutchy> wow the stick figure is looking fairly symmetrical
[15:15:39] <Konomi> urk I wish there was some pill I could take to stop being a freaking clutz
[15:16:56] * crutchy is feeling peckish
[15:17:30] * chromas looks well centered
[15:19:00] <ar> http://vimeo.com - wtf am i watching
[15:19:02] <netctl> ^ 03ME!ME!ME! - 日本アニメ（ーター）見本市 on Vimeo
[15:19:46] <ar> (nsfw)
[15:20:12] <chromas> when I use deadbeef, nothing else can play sound. Is this 1998?
[15:21:04] <ar> no. this is pulseaudio world, which broke the already working well dmix and multichannel cards
[15:21:30] <chromas> actually, I installed pa on purpose to get bluetooth audio
[15:22:02] <chromas> but that aside, I'd never seen dmix enabled in linux until recently; that's why we had arts and esd and stuff
[15:22:23] <Konomi> chromas: go set the output plugin in preferences
[15:22:36] <Konomi> edit -> preferences
[15:23:00] <crutchy> i think my system uses alsa
[15:23:03] <Konomi> if you're using pulse select pulse if you're using alsa select it and if you're using any other system wtf are you smoking
[15:23:28] <ar> chromas: dmix was enabled by default for a long time now, at least in upstream alsa
[15:23:40] <Konomi> I have pulse -> dmix -> alsa
[15:23:45] <chromas> it's on alsa, switching to pulse it doesn't play
[15:23:46] <Konomi> but it requires tinkering
[15:23:50] <Konomi> with asound.conf
[15:23:59] <Konomi> which is about as documented as dos 1.1
[15:24:23] <Konomi> did you restart it after switching>
[15:24:30] <juggs> alsamixer++
[15:24:30] <Bender> karma - alsamixer: 1
[15:24:44] <chromas> doesn't help
[15:24:57] <Konomi> dk works for me on two different systems
[15:24:58] <chromas> I think it's the only program that does it
[15:25:02] <crutchy> soundctl play stuff
[15:25:12] <chromas> instead of pulseaudio, they should've used jackd
[15:25:37] <crutchy> is the mute command jackd-off?
[15:25:51] <ar> http://www.bloodbathsoftworks.com
[15:25:52] <netctl> ^ 03Xylem - Various game addons
[15:26:06] <chromas> crutchy: that's for when you want to blow your tweeter
[15:26:39] <crutchy> or flap your subwoofer
[15:26:56] <Konomi> in fact I can use alsa and pulse with noissues ~
[15:27:11] <ar> also. i have a cat sitting on my belly
[15:27:17] <ar> i think he enjoys it
[15:27:25] <crutchy> pussy++
[15:27:25] <Bender> karma - pussy: 3
[15:27:57] <crutchy> man_pussy--
[15:27:57] <Bender> karma - man_pussy: -1
[15:28:19] <crutchy> you said 'he' kinda ruined my bad joke
[15:29:01] <crutchy> ~restart
[15:29:02] <exec> successfully saved buckets file (28.8 kb)
[15:29:07] <chromas> suddenly_it_works-- # for not knowing why
[15:29:07] <Bender> karma - suddenly_it_works: -1
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[15:29:14] <ar> crutchy: i think you need http://adultcatfinder.com
[15:29:14] <netctl> ^ 03Adult Cat Finder
[15:29:35] <crutchy> i've already found my pussy
[15:33:34] <chromas> deadbeef++ # even though it's gtk
[15:33:34] <Bender> karma - deadbeef: -1
[15:33:55] <ar> what's deadbeef?
[15:34:06] <chromas> music player
[15:34:16] <chromas> fb2k-style
[15:34:57] <ar> if only i'd still use gui music players
[15:35:08] <ar> xmms2++
[15:35:08] <Bender> karma - xmms2: 1
[15:35:33] <chromas> that's a gui music players
[15:35:57] <ar> xmss2 isn't gui
[15:36:02] <ar> xmms2 is a daemon!
[15:36:56] <chromas> ah yeah, there were two xmms2s
[15:37:05] <ar> no, there weren't
[15:37:19] <chromas> ar: s/n't//
[15:37:25] <ar> the other thing was BMP or something like that
[15:37:27] <chromas> the gui one died
[15:38:09] <ar> http://en.wikipedia.org
[15:38:10] <netctl> ^ 03Wiki: Beep Media Player
[15:38:42] <chromas> http://en.wikipedia.org
[15:38:43] <netctl> ^ 03Wiki: XMMS2
[15:41:43] <ar> meh. that was ages ago
[15:42:05] <chromas> the past is like that
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[15:52:25] <crutchy> coffee++
[15:52:25] <Bender> karma - coffee: 936
[15:53:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn right
[15:53:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[15:53:28] <Bender> karma - coffee: 937
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[16:07:29] <crutchy> 3am. time for some shuteye
[16:07:37] <juggs> ni ni
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[16:14:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say Ni at will to old ladies. There is a pestilence upon this land, nothing is sacred. Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress in this period in history.
[16:41:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Dispatch from the #debianfork Trenches - http://sylnt.us - branching-out
[16:46:07] <Konomi> hmm that one might top my one \o/
[16:46:39] <Konomi> forking debian
[16:46:48] <Konomi> they do realise that's impossible don't they?
[16:47:13] <Konomi> unless they've found an equal amount of people to maintain the horde of packages debian already is struggling to maintain
[16:47:22] <Konomi> no no little ones you're not forking it
[16:47:26] <Konomi> you're just doing what ubuntu does
[16:52:08] <Konomi> that article quotes a test
[16:52:11] <Konomi> and the test is...
[16:52:12] <Konomi> When the times were averaged out, both init systems brought Debian to a text console prompt in 17 seconds. For comparison, I booted Arch Linux with systemd three times. To get to a text console login prompt on Arch took an average of 22 seconds.
[16:52:16] <Konomi> x.x
[16:52:19] <Konomi> not even using the same distro wat
[16:54:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> gah, that was a lot of konomi there
[16:54:21] <Konomi> yeah I probably should've saved it for an actual comment on the post xD
[16:54:28] <Konomi> oh well I prefer irc ranting ~
[16:54:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> they did use debian both with and without systemd. reread.
[16:56:17] <Konomi> I don't see anything that says same distro checked sysvinit then systemd same machine?
[16:56:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> both init systems brought Debian to a text console prompt in 17 seconds.
[16:57:02] <Konomi> oh I missed that urk
[16:57:21] <Konomi> well it might not reflect the average
[16:57:25] <Konomi> I lost 10 second son my boot times
[16:57:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, it was a minimal install in both cases.
[16:57:53] <Konomi> oh...
[16:58:01] <Konomi> if it's barebones that does not surprise me
[16:58:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> same packages aside from init system but...
[16:59:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't really matter to me anyway. boot times are a bloody stupid metric to me.
[16:59:28] <Konomi> I don't mind but I mostly keep this lappy on 24/7
[16:59:33] <Konomi> same for my netbook
[16:59:39] <Konomi> when it travels I just sleep it
[16:59:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar. all my home boxen as well. servers that goes without saying.
[17:00:07] <Konomi> I really really do liek the clean startup now
[17:00:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> reboot when there's a kernel change and not before.
[17:00:20] <Konomi> I used to have kernel messages spew into sysvinits start up display
[17:00:23] <Konomi> I finally got rid of that
[17:00:28] <Konomi> has been bugging me forever
[17:00:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> not me. i liked being able to diagnose when there was an error without having to look elsewhere for the error message.
[17:00:58] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: problem is these were not errors
[17:01:02] <Konomi> they were warnings
[17:01:16] <Konomi> stuff that kernel devs were like we probably shouldn't display this but fuck it
[17:01:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmm
[17:01:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't mind those. i prefer verbose to quiet in almost every case on the system.
[17:02:15] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
[17:02:15] <netctl> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[17:02:17] <Konomi> these lines for exmaple
[17:02:22] <Konomi> will always spew into sysvinit
[17:02:26] <Konomi> even though they are not errors
[17:02:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> if it screws up, i'm always the one who's gonna have to fix it, so i wanna know.
[17:02:47] <Konomi> that's just it
[17:02:49] <Konomi> nothing to fix
[17:03:02] <Konomi> these are not errors
[17:03:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, so they're nothing to worry over.
[17:03:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> i just eye-grep relevant or irrelevant on boot.
[17:04:00] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org'
[17:04:00] <netctl> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[17:04:02] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
[17:04:04] <Konomi> another example
[17:04:07] <Konomi> these always show
[17:04:20] <Konomi> they are supposed to be disabled from being displayed at start up
[17:04:21] <Konomi> same deal
[17:05:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> right but with systemd all you get is a pass fail. it's useless for diagnosing while booting.
[17:06:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> happy you dig it but i anti-dig it.
[17:06:15] <Konomi> no you can get everything
[17:06:21] <Konomi> you just haven't looked into the logine verbose setting
[17:06:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> this is also true
[17:07:09] <Konomi> --log-level=
[17:07:09] <netctl> Karma - log-level=: -1
[17:07:11] <Konomi> Set log level. As argument this accepts a numerical log level or the well-known syslog(3) symbolic names (lowercase): emerg, alert, crit, err, warning, notice, info, debug.
[17:07:15] <Konomi> ha
[17:07:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> have i mentioned lately that the ^Q shortcut in moz-and-forks-thereof browsers needs to die in a fire?
[17:07:37] <Konomi> that quits it right?
[17:07:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> go to hit ^W, miskey, shuts the whole fucker down.
[17:08:07] <Konomi> go to about:config
[17:08:12] <Konomi> browser.showQuitWarning
[17:08:15] <Konomi> toggle to true
[17:08:21] <Konomi> so you at least get a dialog befor eyou bomb it
[17:08:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, nah. i'll just middle click the tab. easier than having to hit a dialog every time i wanna restart the browser.
[17:09:45] <Konomi> but anyway you can use the kernel line to tell systemd to show it all
[17:09:51] <Konomi> it'll show you all ofit
[17:09:57] <Konomi> more htan sysvinit will ever show you
[17:10:06] <Konomi> trust me I tried god the text ;p
[17:11:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> wouldn't do me any good on this box unless it hung in the boot process, which it isn't. boots too fast to see as it is.
[17:11:19] <Konomi> what really frustraits me is there will be a lot of people hating on systemd before they even tried it
[17:11:38] <Konomi> before they poked around and had some good old fun exploring like technology enthusists should live to do with their lives
[17:12:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i quit being a technology enthusiast a long time ago. nowadays it has to demonstrably make my life easier or it can fuck right off.
[17:12:28] <Konomi> I wonder if this intersting switch would help
[17:12:29] <Konomi> Ask for confirmation when spawning processes. This switch has no effect when run as user instance.
[17:12:59] <Konomi> there's also --test
[17:13:00] <Konomi> Determine startup sequence, dump it and exit. This is an option useful for debugging only.
[17:13:38] <Konomi> I admit though I've never tried the debugging features they have
[17:13:45] <Konomi> there is a lot of new shit to go through
[17:14:18] <Konomi> some of the debugging stuff is really over the top for me
[17:14:32] <Konomi> which sif unny cause I am sure some people were posting how bad systemd might be for debugging
[17:14:38] <Konomi> hauuuhhh okay then I thought
[17:15:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> not interested in new stuff in init. someone else will find it and tell me about it if it's really awesome. otherwise it's a waste of time to read.
[17:15:32] <Konomi> hehe
[17:16:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> too much in my brain already. comes a time where you have to say "only relevant information beyond this point"
[17:16:20] <Konomi> fun thing is
[17:16:27] <Konomi> systemd will always capture more information
[17:16:43] <Konomi> cause sysvinit loses stuff not sent to sdout/stderr at early startup
[17:16:50] <Konomi> systemd doesn;t have that flaw
[17:18:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> friend's in town from texas. think i'll go annoy him some.
[17:18:41] <Konomi> texas
[17:18:53] <Konomi> be careful I hear they shoot you if you look at them funny
[17:19:00] <Konomi> or say you like obama and democrats
[17:19:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> no worries. we do the same in oklahoma.
[17:20:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm really surprised they haven't just blown Austin the fuck up. it's chock full of hippies, hipsters, and otherwise liberal types and it's smack in the middle of texas.
[17:20:30] <Konomi> lol
[17:21:11] <stderr> Konomi: What "stuff" might not be sent to stdout/stderr at early startup and how is systemd going to catch that "stuff"?
[17:21:49] <Konomi> I'd have to go grab potterings reference to fill you in completely stderr
[17:22:05] <Konomi> "Not true, we carefully made sure when we introduced the journal that all data is also passed on to any syslog daemon running. In fact, if something changed, then only that syslog gets more complete data now than it got before, since we now cover early boot stuff as well as STDOUT/STDERR of any system service.
[17:22:10] <Konomi> "
[17:22:20] <Konomi> was referencing that
[17:23:10] <Konomi> if you want a more technical defintion of what he means you'd probably have to check the code or standard docs if they are around
[17:23:55] <Konomi> I presume you need ttys for stdout and stderr and they get enumerated somehwere along the boot process so everything before that would be ommited in sysvinit is the gist of it
[17:25:24] <stderr> Sounds very odd. I have never heard of anyone have lost any "stuff" sent to syslog, stdout or stderr no matter how early in the boot process.
[17:25:56] <Konomi> it'd be a hard thing to spot I imagine
[17:26:04] <stderr> File descriptor 1 (stdout) and 2 (stderr) should be ready before PID 1 starts up.
[17:26:19] <Konomi> people tend to make more mental notes of bad things when they happen rather than something just working
[17:26:35] <stderr> To be honest, it sounds more like Pottering is talking out of his ass again...
[17:27:35] <stderr> Exactly... If someone had mentioned anything about losing stuff, I would have remembered it.
[17:32:03] <stderr> Anyway... I'm out again...
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[17:52:46] <Konomi> stderr: https://bugs.debian.org and https://bugs.debian.org
[17:52:55] <netctl> ^ 03#597467 - sysvinit-utils: [BOOTLOG] All messages are not saved - Debian Bug report logs
[17:52:56] <netctl> ^ 03#706349 - bootlogd: some messages which are visible at booting are not saved in boot log file. - Debian Bug report logs
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[20:12:44] <Ethanol-fueled> Serp Kannella's story was approved for the front page yesterday, then removed and disappeared into the void.
[20:13:02] <Ethanol-fueled> Coincidentally, this happened right around the changing of the guards, from LaminatorX to MartyB
[20:13:19] <Ethanol-fueled> Conclusion: MartyB HATES MY GUTS.
[20:14:28] <Ethanol-fueled> As punishment for bruising my fragile alter-ego, I will become intoxicated and wander in there later.
[20:14:39] <Ethanol-fueled> Wander in here.
[20:15:02] <Ethanol-fueled> After drinkink copious amounds of WINE.
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[20:15:19] <juggs> it's in the queue to go out in a coupla hours
[20:15:43] * juggs rolls eyes
[20:20:45] <ar> I've heard a joke once. "ar goes to a book store and buys just one book"
[20:40:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - After 10 Years with Google, Firefox Switches to Yahoo - http://sylnt.us - follow-the-money
[20:50:07] <crutchy> coffee++
[20:50:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 938
[20:53:54] <crutchy> wow, i just got an eyeful of konomi
[20:54:04] <crutchy> reading up
[20:54:12] <crutchy> :D
[20:54:36] <juggs> oh ya - there was a Konomi wall at one point
[20:54:53] <crutchy> fucking 8am and its already hot :(
[20:55:39] <poutine> nobody else thinks it'
[20:55:59] <poutine> nobody else thinks it's a bit pretentious to claim that soylentnews beginnings are like the systemd split?
[20:56:35] <crutchy> what systemd split?
[20:57:13] <crutchy> systemd is would be like if SN was never created but we all just hung around /. whining about beta
[20:57:54] <crutchy> if systemd haters actually got off their arses and did something, then it might be like SN
[20:59:02] <poutine> <crutchy> what systemd split? <- If you're unaware of the split in opinions on systemd, I'm not sure IRC is the best place to explain it
[20:59:27] <dx3bydt3> That's just it, all they've done is split opinions, not communities.
[20:59:55] <poutine> dx3bydt3, if you say so, the SN article is about a debian fork group organizing
[21:00:12] <crutchy> i'm aware of the split of opinion, but there's a leap between having a difference of opinion and actually doing something about it
[21:00:44] <crutchy> talking about a debian fork isn't the same as making one
[21:00:48] <poutine> you guys are focusing on the wrong thing, I just think it's stupid to compare something of great importance, like the debate about systemd, with the fumbling of incompetent owners and missteps Soylentnews took
[21:01:18] <crutchy> systemd haters just like hating, not creating
[21:01:32] <poutine> I think there's merits on both sides of things
[21:01:37] <crutchy> SN news took their hate and used it to make SN
[21:01:53] <poutine> wow, look at how far they've gone
[21:01:53] <crutchy> nothing new will come out of the systemd hate
[21:02:00] <poutine> average 5-10 comments per article
[21:02:05] <poutine> no monetization
[21:02:09] <crutchy> they just whinge and carry on, like the gamergate bs
[21:02:10] <poutine> poor editorials
[21:02:42] <crutchy> in 12 months, systemd will be forgotted as other things grab their attention
[21:02:50] <crutchy> haters gotta hate
[21:03:04] <ar> http://imgur.com
[21:03:04] <netctl> ^ 03Crows playing in the snow - Imgur
[21:03:22] <ar> crutchy: uselessd
[21:03:34] <poutine> crutchy, Your IRC bot has the worst codebase I've ever seen
[21:03:50] <crutchy> poutine, meh it works
[21:04:00] <dx3bydt3> It does, we're using it right now.
[21:04:09] <crutchy> ar, i hope uselessd goes far
[21:04:24] <crutchy> i'm kinda surprised the community hasn't jumped on epoch
[21:04:44] <crutchy> its a cool member created alternative
[21:05:09] <dx3bydt3> also, for the record, the average number of comments on the page today is 16.9 per article and it's a Saturday when few people are commenting.
[21:05:49] <crutchy> poutine, what don't you like about the code?
[21:06:55] <poutine> it's ugly, unorganized, not coherent
[21:07:10] <crutchy> any particular piece?
[21:07:14] <crutchy> or file
[21:07:18] <crutchy> ?
[21:08:31] <crutchy> also, what is an example of not ugly code that i can use to improve
[21:09:47] <crutchy> i'm not a pro, so i haven't seen a lot of php written by others to compare. i've seen some stuff on the web but imho a lot of it looks uglieer. at least mine is consistent in style
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[21:16:17] <poutine> LOL
[21:16:19] <poutine> see
[21:16:44] <poutine> I shouldn't be able to make your bot part all channels
[21:17:05] <crutchy> its still running
[21:17:17] <crutchy> tbh i didn't realize that was possible
[21:17:34] <crutchy> but then again i'm new to irc
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[21:17:38] <poutine> the way you're doing argument passing I think is suspect
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[21:19:12] <crutchy> wow i can do /join 0 in xchat too
[21:22:05] <crutchy> there's prolly all sorts of things like that i haven't heard of
[21:22:37] <crutchy> but that's not really a reflection of my code. more just cos i'm an irc noob
[21:23:10] <poutine> ~join `die`
[21:25:36] <crutchy> poutine, thanks for the tip on the /join 0 thing :D
[21:26:18] <poutine> That was low hanging fruit, I think I can execute shell commands
[21:26:30] <crutchy> ah. that's the real test
[21:26:42] <crutchy> yesterday we managed to create 3 files accidentally
[21:27:19] <crutchy> but that bit of code was commented out cos we were just mucking around (it was a shell_exec in the sed script so not actually the bot itself)
[21:28:56] <poutine> it looks like you were a pretty terrible mIRC scripter and decided to learn PHP
[21:29:05] <crutchy> i've never used mirc
[21:29:18] <crutchy> my first foray into irc was in february :D
[21:29:51] <crutchy> i've got no doubts that my irc knowledge sucks
[21:30:51] <crutchy> but all my php has been self-taught too, so there's lots for me to learn still
[21:31:12] <poutine> not sure I buy that
[21:31:32] <crutchy> you can buy what you like. i'm a structural engineer by profession
[21:31:56] <crutchy> i did subjects at uni on delphi and c
[21:32:22] <crutchy> i started php in about maybe 2006, with 'PHP and MySQL for dummies' :D
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[21:33:46] <crutchy> i started irc when i joined soylent news. i'd visited the #debian freenode once when i was mucking around, but that only lasted a day or so and i had nfi what i was doing. soylent was when i really became interested in irc
[21:33:52] <dx3bydt3> I am confident that crutchy speaks the truth.
[21:33:58] * dx3bydt3 recalls a time when crutchy complained about typing out my nick and discovered that tab finishes it for you.
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[21:42:15] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:42:15] <Bender> karma - coffee: 939
[21:42:21] <juggs> Some others to look out for crutchy.... http://wiki.swiftirc.net
[21:42:22] <netctl> ^ 03Wiki: Phony commands
[21:42:48] <crutchy> juggs++ # thanks matey
[21:42:48] <Bender> karma - juggs: 38
[21:44:58] <crutchy> wow. there's a /rmdir command!
[21:45:15] <crutchy> who the hell would put that in an irc client!?
[21:45:47] <juggs> lol mIRC has lots of scripty goodness baked in
[21:47:56] <crutchy> heh. just noticed the name at the bottom
[21:48:24] * crutchy wonders whether that xander could possibly be xander lefay?
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[22:02:52] <juggs> hmm
[22:03:17] <juggs> ethercalc is really quite nice :D
[22:03:36] * crutchy googles
[22:04:52] <crutchy> hmm that's a funky looking ribbon-like menu thingy
[22:05:55] <juggs> I was just doing some calcs I wanted to share for a game
[22:09:54] <juggs> haha - is funny watching a bunch of people all try and edit a sheet at the same time - there's cells getting changed all over the place :D
[22:10:12] <crutchy> wow. where's that
[22:12:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Verizon's Widely Mocked Tech News Site Quiet for Weeks - http://sylnt.us - fewer-submissions-than-SN
[22:12:47] <NightHawk> You about Konomi?
[22:13:42] <crutchy> she was up all night i think
[22:13:52] <crutchy> die hard :p
[22:14:19] <NightHawk> ahh, fair enough. Had a stupid deadbeef question. My google-fu is weak today.
[22:15:20] <NightHawk> blows when a program doesn't have man pages.
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[22:16:15] <NightHawk> whereis deadbeef
[22:16:18] <NightHawk> fek
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[22:16:54] <crutchy> chromas uses deadbeef
[22:17:03] <crutchy> chromas, yo!
[22:17:08] <crutchy> ^^ :D
[22:17:34] <juggs> crutchy, https://www.ethercalc.org it's calmed down now
[22:17:36] <netctl> ^ 03EtherCalc - Share the URL to your friends and edit together!
[22:18:06] <chromas> I use it a little; not as expert as Konomi would be
[22:18:21] <NightHawk> Any idea where the plugins reside?
[22:18:52] <NightHawk> I can't wrap my head around a music player that doesn't include a file browser module by default.
[22:19:46] <chromas> they seem to be in /usr/lib/deadbeef
[22:20:26] <NightHawk> No such file or directory for me :/
[22:20:52] <chromas> do you have a lib32 or lib64? may be in one of those
[22:21:09] <crutchy> that spreadsheety thing is pretty faarkin funny :D
[22:21:13] <chromas> oh and I'm assuming you're on Linux. I dunno about windows
[22:21:41] <juggs> I pissed myself when you suddenly legged it off the side at a million mph lol
[22:21:47] <NightHawk> nah, FBSD, I have lib32 too but no cigar. I'm gonna look through the Makefile
[22:22:30] <crutchy> NightHawk, join the dark side... we have systemd and cookies :D
[22:23:17] <NightHawk> Spending more time with FreeBSD isn't an act of anti-systemd defiance in my case. I just need my geek mojo back.
[22:23:25] <crutchy> ah
[22:23:34] <crutchy> never tried freebsd
[22:23:37] <chromas> oh yeah, Linux is too mainstream now
[22:23:39] <crutchy> but i'm lazy
[22:23:57] <crutchy> debian is the new microsoft
[22:24:09] <crutchy> but poorer
[22:24:17] <NightHawk> I run linux on 3 boxes in my home. Only one of those dual-boots.
[22:25:00] <NightHawk> File server and Wife's desktop and on ubuntu. HTPC dual-boots xbmcbuntu and win7 for gaming.
[22:26:01] <chromas> that's not much of a portmanteau
[22:26:03] <NightHawk> If I was buying into the "all your init are belong to NSA" stuff I'd be on openBSD.
[22:26:08] <chromas> should be xbmcuntu
[22:28:34] <chromas> "This /join command will join you into a given channel. Multiple channels can be included by using commas. In this case, it will join the channel #0 but it will also try to join 0, which will mean it will null itself and leave all channels you are currently in. "
[22:28:40] <chromas> that doesn't make any sense
[22:29:07] <crutchy> i tried doing /join #0,0 for exec but it didn't work
[22:29:10] <chromas> you're already in other channels, they're not part of the list
[22:29:32] <chromas> unless the server is dumb enough to consider it a null terminator in the list of channels it thinks you're in
[22:29:37] <crutchy> sounds like /join 0 has special meaning
[22:30:04] <chromas> =join #wiki, 0
[22:30:28] <crutchy> some dude involved in writing the irc rfc must have been high one day and decided to put it in
[22:30:30] <chromas> =artk #wiki
[22:30:34] <NightHawk> pwd
[22:30:34] <chromas> herp
[22:30:36] <crutchy> for what possible reason i have nfi
[22:30:37] <NightHawk> fek
[22:30:38] <chromas> =part #wiki
[22:30:56] <crutchy> hmm actually its prolly not in the rfc
[22:30:58] <crutchy> i dunno
[22:31:12] <chromas> NightHawk: we actually watch for when someone accidentally their password in here and we go off trying it out everywhere immediately
[22:31:37] <crutchy> or we make bots that provide direct shell access :D
[22:31:53] * crutchy still remembers that
[22:32:05] <crutchy> that was one of the dumbest things i've done
[22:32:14] * chromas whistles nonchalantly
[22:32:29] <crutchy> actually no leaving a file called 'passwords' in the bot directory was the dumbest thing i ever done :p
[22:32:36] <NightHawk> fyi, /usr/local/lib/deadbeef/ is the plugin location in my case
[22:33:12] <chromas> ah
[22:33:13] <crutchy> chromas, your little wackery hackery then prolly sparked my interest
[22:33:17] <chromas> did you compile from source?
[22:33:19] <crutchy> so its all your fault :p
[22:33:54] <chromas> yeah, it's a good thing you had someone incompetent at the beginning
[22:34:03] <NightHawk> did who compile what now?
[22:34:11] <chromas> poutine-- would've probably already installed windows on your box or something
[22:34:11] <Bender> karma - poutine: -363
[22:34:32] <NightHawk> ^ directed at chromas
[22:34:33] <chromas> NightHawk: I was wondering if you compiled deadbeef because of it having stuff in /usr/local
[22:34:43] * crutchy is kinda hoping poutine comes back cos he mentioned he might be able to execute shell commands
[22:34:52] <NightHawk> nah, "pkg install deadbeef" binary package
[22:34:53] * crutchy is interested in that
[22:35:21] <chromas> ~say `gedit&`
[22:35:22] <exec> `gedit&`
[22:35:36] <chromas> ~say $(gedit&)
[22:35:37] <exec> $(gedit&)
[22:36:07] <crutchy> not sure how to get around the escapeshellarg thingy
[22:36:20] <crutchy> not even sure how we made those files yesterday :/
[22:36:40] * crutchy sucks at hacking
[22:36:45] <chromas> NightHawk: the default for a lot of projects (I think it's the default of make) is to put stuff into /local & /usr/local which is why I thought that
[22:37:13] <chromas> but if you got the package from outside the repo then the packager probably didn't think to set --prefix=/
[22:37:42] <NightHawk> don't think less of you for making an informed guess that happened to be wrong chromas :)... BSD does put things in different places sometimes.
[22:38:36] <chromas> but you should think less of me for already forgetting you just said you're on bsd :D
[22:38:51] <chromas> For some readon I was thinking Debian
[22:38:54] <chromas> s/d/s/
[22:39:08] <crutchy> ~sed on
[22:39:09] <exec> sed enabled for 10#Soylent
[22:39:23] <crutchy> i guess a half-arsed sed is better than none :p
[22:39:52] <crutchy> is sedbot not well chromas?
[22:40:28] <chromas> it still works, but I figured exec could do just as well
[22:40:56] <crutchy> sedbot is better i think, though i guess i could work on supporting the /# thing at the end
[22:41:09] <crutchy> not a priority though
[22:41:15] <chromas> I think we're the only ones that used that
[22:41:57] <chromas> it would be fun though if people came up with super cryptic-looking regexs to turn our lines into funnies
[22:43:13] <crutchy> i liked that idea you had for a hax0riz3r script
[22:50:56] <chromas> You can probably find a few on the net
[22:51:09] <chromas> l3375p34x0rz
[22:54:04] <juggs> chromas, try /join 0 :D
[22:54:10] <chromas> I did
[22:54:15] <chromas> doesn't do anything in quassel
[22:54:19] <chromas> it works on the bot though
[22:54:24] <chromas> but I don't understand why
[22:54:37] <crutchy> quassel devs must have been smoking better quality hooch :D
[22:54:57] <chromas> yet they haven't added scripting support :(
[22:55:20] <crutchy> that's what botz0rz are for
[22:55:21] <juggs> channels used to be numbered in the early days rather than named. Channel 0 is the main server channel that you are always connected too. Why that would result in parting all others I do not know
[22:55:57] <crutchy> maybe it's the matrix defending itself
[22:56:06] <chromas> I thought maybe the servers used null-terminated strings or lists and setting it would truncate the list or something else stupid
[22:56:14] <chromas> either how it sounds like the server's fault
[22:56:24] * crutchy blames xlefay :D
[22:56:24] <chromas> kvirc does some weird things too
[22:56:45] <juggs> no - it's some legacy behaviour carried over from very early irc - let me dig out the explanation
[22:56:48] <chromas> like there's a command to own a channel or something and it just makes you part the channel
[22:56:53] <crutchy> where is that douche anyway. oi xlefay!
[22:57:00] <juggs> hehe
[22:57:11] <chromas> xlefay-- # this'll get 'im
[22:57:11] <Bender> karma - xlefay: 62
[22:57:18] <crutchy> don't make me come over there
[22:57:22] <chromas> xlefay-- # come fix this injustice, xlefay!
[22:57:22] <Bender> karma - xlefay: 61
[22:57:32] <crutchy> if i have to get up off my couch you bastard :D
[22:59:27] <juggs> AHA - it is a part of the original IRC protocol RFC https://tools.ietf.org /join 0 is specifically meant to be a part all channels command
[22:59:27] <netctl> ^ 03RFC 2812 - Internet Relay Chat: Client Protocol ( rfc2812.html )
[23:00:01] <juggs> So now we all know - you're client is not to spec chromas - gonna have to kick ya out until you comply!!
[23:00:06] <juggs> your*
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[23:03:55] <juggs> how goes it FunPika ?
[23:03:56] <ciri> don't ask me!
[23:04:11] <FunPika> good
[23:05:42] <chromas> oh noes! quassel-- # for not having a useless command :'(
[23:06:02] <juggs> leaving all channels could be useful
[23:06:32] <chromas> I supposed, like on this server where connection takes a long time
[23:06:44] <chromas> I think it's mostly the wait for identd server
[23:07:08] <chromas> but nobody parts a channel on purpose :)
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[23:07:19] <juggs> does ident work for anyone these days?
[23:07:28] <chromas> just keep adding more and more until the hdd's full of logs
[23:07:41] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard set one up to take the tilde of his name
[23:07:53] <chromas> +f
[23:09:03] <FunPika> if someone is on a machine that actually has an identd installed/running and has nothing preventing traffic from getting to the port (if you have a router it needs to be forwarded), yes identd will work.
[23:09:29] <FunPika> At this point though I don't think that many people bother with it.
[23:09:51] <chromas> can that be used in place of the nickserv identify?
[23:10:24] <FunPika> No
[23:10:38] <chromas> speaking of legacy cruft
[23:11:25] <FunPika> I think that ident's main purpose was identifying which user on a shared system was the one conneecting.
[23:12:11] <chromas> was that from back when the user name was used?
[23:12:32] <chromas> it would set the user to what it got from identd or something maeby?
[23:12:38] <juggs> yah grabbed the unix username
[23:13:01] <chromas> now it's just another place to write bewbs
[23:14:09] <juggs> honestly, who's going to bother re-doing the spec to remove it after all these years? It's probably still used in some places
[23:14:28] <chromas> someone should
[23:14:41] <chromas> modernize it, but not too modern; we don't need xml
[23:14:55] <chromas> but there are other stupid things, like the optional : before messages
[23:15:20] <juggs> There's always facebook messenger or google hangouts.... leave irc alone
[23:15:46] <chromas> those use xml
[23:15:49] <chromas> too modern
[23:17:05] <FunPika> juggs: You mean removing identd since all it does is slow down connections now?
[23:17:10] <juggs> Feel free to implement your own ircd :D As the RFC states "It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind." - feel free to leave out the bits you don't like :D
[23:17:45] <chromas> yeah, kind of funny how RFCs don't specify the standards they do
[23:18:14] <chromas> "well, technically, we're only describing what people are already doing"
[23:18:33] <juggs> FunPika, wasn't my suggestion - it' probably possible to disable the ident check in ircd.conf - but then the feathered one would get annoyed as he does use it
[23:19:11] <juggs> chromas, they're living documents
[23:19:23] <chromas> kind of
[23:19:29] <chromas> aren't they read-only?
[23:19:46] <chromas> I wonder if you can turn down the timeout on the identd check
[23:20:30] <FunPika> https://github.com Looks like there is an option for that.
[23:20:31] <netctl> ^ 03charybdis/reference.conf at master · atheme/charybdis · GitHub
[23:20:34] <juggs> Not sure how the change process works for RFCs - presumably one can submit comments and maybe the ietf incorporate them at their whim ~shrug~
[23:20:47] <chromas> or actually, I'd expect it to get a connection closed if there's no server
[23:20:57] <FunPika> Also is anyone here seriously using ident on here for purposes other than getting rid of the tilde in their name?
[23:21:14] <juggs> who knows?
[23:21:34] <chromas> is there anything it can be used for here? Would it be something you'd have to set up?
[23:21:53] <juggs> I think their is a notilde option as well in that conf file.
[23:22:04] <chromas> juggs: get in there and start poking around, man! We won't complain if the server goes offline because we'll be in withdrawal
[23:22:33] <crutchy> chromas, we should make our own irc standard; RFC8008135
[23:22:39] <crutchy> rfc8008135++
[23:22:40] <Bender> karma - rfc8008135: 8
[23:22:47] <juggs> noo... I poke it only after careful consideration and then with a very long pointy stick while standing on several rubber mats
[23:22:57] <crutchy> sticks?
[23:23:03] * crutchy checks stick figure
[23:23:05] <chromas> http://pastebin.com
[23:23:05] <netctl> ^ 03rfc 8008135 - Pastebin.com
[23:23:10] <chromas> warning, pastebin
[23:23:51] <chromas> I actually had a couple problems with my bot because my server works slightly different
[23:23:59] <FunPika> yep, there is a no_tilde option
[23:24:02] <chromas> so bringing it on here would make it parse wrong
[23:24:17] <crutchy> chromas, charybdis uses TS6
[23:24:21] <crutchy> or something
[23:24:23] <crutchy> maybe TS5
[23:24:33] <crutchy> slightly different to rfc
[23:24:43] <chromas> I suppose the l337 thing to do would be to check each message against a regex to see what type it is since different messages have different formats for no reason
[23:25:06] <chromas> I think one thing that got me was the optional colon
[23:25:20] <crutchy> can't take a memory dump without a colon
[23:25:31] <chromas> when you send any type of message, if there's no space in it, the colon just before it is optional
[23:25:32] <juggs> or just use a framework for the irc connection stuff where you can set an option in the conf for type of server xD
[23:25:42] <chromas> ew
[23:25:46] <juggs> hehe
[23:25:53] <chromas> no way, man, I gotta reinvent everything for myself
[23:25:58] <juggs> NIH
[23:26:08] <chromas> except the regex engine; no way I'm doing that
[23:26:14] <juggs> you wuss
[23:26:16] <chromas> 4000_lines_of_code--
[23:26:17] <Bender> karma - 4000_lines_of_code: -1
[23:26:24] <crutchy> i think that might have been where xlefay was going, but he actually implemented a TS6 server that connected to charybdis and hosted a service. xlefay is the irc gawd
[23:26:48] <chromas> we need more xlefay, kobach and FunPika around here
[23:26:58] <crutchy> he had a protocol class
[23:27:05] <chromas> hey, kobach's not even in-channel anymore
[23:27:06] <crutchy> it was very classy :D
[23:27:21] <chromas> :)
[23:27:29] <juggs> FunPika, yeh, thought I had seen it when messing around getting diego up
[23:30:40] <chromas> the dog would like the cheese grater if I let her
[23:30:46] <chromas> lick
[23:33:00] <crutchy> ~restart
[23:33:02] <exec> successfully saved buckets file (30.1 kb)
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[23:33:17] <crutchy> so much bloat :p
[23:39:52] <juggs> are you a structural engineer crutchy ?
[23:40:03] <crutchy> yup
[23:40:28] <crutchy> just don't ask me about british standards :p
[23:41:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Extreme Shrimp may Hold Clues to Alien Life on Europa - http://sylnt.us - ATTEMPT-NO-LANDING-THERE
[23:41:16] <juggs> Thought you might like this elegant thing: http://www.luphen.org.uk https://upload.wikimedia.org
[23:41:23] <juggs> eep
[23:42:10] <juggs> 39m each span - widest flattest brick spans xD
[23:43:01] <crutchy> wow
[23:43:06] <juggs> 39 metres across with a rise of just 7.3 metre
[23:43:13] * crutchy wonders what the darker looking thing over the top is
[23:43:35] <juggs> xD Brunel designed some mad stuff - people didn;t think it could possible stay up
[23:43:53] <crutchy> chinese are pretty good at expanding the envelope too
[23:44:11] <juggs> Opened 1 July 1839
[23:44:13] <juggs> ^^
[23:44:26] <crutchy> they don't build shit like they used to eh :p
[23:45:10] <juggs> still serves one of the busiest national rail routes to this day... and I live a few hundred metres from it - I love gawping at it
[23:46:46] <juggs> Just trying to see if I can find some pics / drawings of how the hell it was built
[23:47:17] <crutchy> is the thing across the top made of steel?
[23:47:22] <crutchy> or iron :p
[23:47:28] <crutchy> looks kinda like steel
[23:47:30] <juggs> nope - tis all brick
[23:47:42] <crutchy> cool
[23:47:57] <juggs> There's a train on top in that 1st image - that's got some steel in it :D
[23:48:41] <crutchy> lol
[23:48:42] <ciri> hehehe
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[23:52:28] <crutchy> sorry just testing some user tracking stuff
[23:54:38] <crutchy> juggs, when someone quits irc does a quit message only appear for clients that are in a channel that the quitter was in?
[23:54:53] <juggs> ~shrug~ tis quiet. Although that could be because I'm blithering on about bridges
[23:55:05] <crutchy> i think it would, otherwise on freenode you would get hundreds of quit messages
[23:55:11] <juggs> indeed so
[23:55:36] <crutchy> dammit. gotta add some nick handling in the part event
[23:55:52] <crutchy> s/nick/connection/
[23:56:23] <chromas> crutchy: yeah, or else on a large network, you'd never hear the end of the quits :)
[23:56:31] <chromas> on freenode, for example
[23:57:22] <juggs> it's bad enough on moderately busy channels. Thank his noodly appendage Hexchat has a little option to suppress them
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[23:58:55] <chromas> I usually hide joins and quits but not parts 'cause they rarely happen