#Soylent | Logs for 2014-11-19

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[00:02:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Venus Express Mission Almost Over - http://sylnt.us - what-goes-up
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[00:18:22] <Blackmoore_> i'v gone from nearly grey bearded to polar ice breard
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[01:40:39] * Konomi yawns
[01:41:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Peer Review is Fraught with Problems, and We Need a Fix - http://sylnt.us - peer-reviewed-study-confirms-it
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[01:50:18] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[01:50:18] <|> ^ 03Suzuki GSXR wheelie and busted by police on a horse in Central London - YouTube
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[02:18:54] <SunTzuWarmaster> hey guys
[02:19:06] <SunTzuWarmaster> I just turned down my dream job
[02:19:10] <silverly> hello
[02:19:11] <ciri> yeah, yeah hi HI silverly
[02:19:23] <SunTzuWarmaster> *sigh*
[02:19:28] <SunTzuWarmaster> can't move across the country
[02:19:33] <silverly> :O
[02:19:36] <silverly> any particular reason?
[02:19:39] <SunTzuWarmaster> :( :( :(
[02:19:50] <silverly> :\
[02:20:17] <silverly> what was it?
[02:20:21] <SunTzuWarmaster> figured I would come to soylent / 4chan to commiserate...
[02:21:11] <SunTzuWarmaster> http://ict.usc.edu
[02:21:35] <SunTzuWarmaster> anybody ever had a shot but weren't able to take it?
[02:24:51] <silverly> we have a shot everyday
[02:25:08] <silverly> we just choose not to stray from our normal path
[02:29:13] <SunTzuWarmaster> interesting line of reasoning, related quote "the most important discovery of my generation is that we can, at any moment, give up who we are in return for who we want to be"
[02:29:22] <SunTzuWarmaster> (cannot find source for quote)
[02:30:48] <Konomi> I hope we're not becoming synonymous with 4chan x.x
[02:32:07] <silverly> but without too theorical, to answer your quesion SunTzuWarmaster, for me, i would say no, im super young and i havent done any serious choices in my life
[02:32:15] <silverly> yeah
[02:32:19] <silverly> soylents != 4chan :P
[02:33:01] <SunTzuWarmaster> yea yea yea
[02:33:10] <SunTzuWarmaster> some of the community overlaps
[02:33:15] <SunTzuWarmaster> same with /.
[02:33:29] <SunTzuWarmaster> but /. doesn't have a solid chat system up/running
[02:33:47] <Konomi> that's because the flood of complaints would drive them nuts ;p
[02:33:48] <SunTzuWarmaster> (no, I'm not playing "the other green site" game, because its dumb)
[02:33:58] <Konomi> I still see beta isn't out and I kinda wonder if they're holding back on it cause of soylent
[02:34:09] <Konomi> cause I can bet if it goes live we'll get a huge flood of new users
[02:34:14] <SunTzuWarmaster> soylent is quickly becoming a serious contender
[02:34:22] <SunTzuWarmaster> especially with the cross--posting
[02:34:42] <SunTzuWarmaster> Soylers seem to object to the cross-posts, but I see it as an advantage
[02:34:58] <SunTzuWarmaster> I'm more inclined to switch to SN if I know that I am not missing material
[02:35:24] <Konomi> I don't miss anything slashdot posts ;p
[02:35:31] <SunTzuWarmaster> if 100% of the good items are covered via SN, and these make up 100% of SN traffic and 50% of /. traffic, the choice is obvious
[02:35:44] <Konomi> I feel more comfortable on the fringe of mainstream anyway
[02:36:27] <SunTzuWarmaster> exasmple of a good /. story not on SN
[02:36:37] <SunTzuWarmaster> *example
[02:36:45] <SunTzuWarmaster> http://it.slashdot.org
[02:36:46] <|> ^ 03Launching 2015: a New Certificate Authority To Encrypt the Entire Web - Slashdot ( http://slashdot.org )
[02:38:00] <Konomi> I wish convergence would get popular
[02:38:15] <SunTzuWarmaster> opposite example: http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:15] <|> ^ 03SN article Top-500 Supercomputer Race Goes Cold 04(15 comments)
[02:38:31] <Konomi> http://convergence.io
[02:38:31] <|> ^ 03Convergence | Beta
[02:39:00] <SunTzuWarmaster> SN is running about a 8:1 S:N ratio, /. is running about 3:1, at least for me, right now
[02:41:37] <silverly> http://soylentnews.org
[02:41:38] <|> ^ 0304SN Submission by silverly http://root.silverly.pw EFF offers Free Certificate Authority to Dramatically Increase Encrypted Internet Traffic
[02:41:49] <silverly> that first link is in the queue :P
[02:41:52] <SunTzuWarmaster> huh, thanks
[02:50:15] <SunTzuWarmaster> FYI - one of my favorite GOTOs for laughs
[02:50:15] <SunTzuWarmaster> http://slashdot.org
[02:50:17] <|> ^ 03Slashdot Items Tagged With 'whatcouldpossiblygowrong' ( http://slashdot.org )
[02:51:15] <SunTzuWarmaster> home to such classics as "Australian billionaire plans to build Titanic II" (whatcouldpossiblygowrong)
[02:55:01] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[02:56:01] <Konomi> urk that click bait
[02:56:07] * Konomi pops an apple in TheMightyBuzzard and runs off
[02:56:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmmm... appley
[02:57:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.phoronix.com
[02:57:34] <|> ^ 03[Phoronix] Debian Init System Coupling Vote Results
[02:58:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> tl;dr fu, take systemd and like it
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[03:10:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - IBM Verse Now Available for 'Free' - http://sylnt.us - interminably-bad-management
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[03:23:13] <Konomi> IBM what what was free?
[03:23:18] <Konomi> I mean now is free
[03:23:24] <Konomi> hey ibm still exists!
[03:24:14] <SpallsHurgenson> Burma Shave?
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[03:25:14] <SpallsHurgenson> "We felt we could leverage analytics to build an experience that understands your priorities"... I think I just puked in my mouth a little
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[03:36:09] <SpallsHurgenson> huh, I hate to get into the Republicans vs Democrats, but the fact that 41 of the 42 Senators voting against a bill to stop the NSA from spying on US citiizens were Republicans has to be indicative of something...
[03:37:30] <Konomi> republicans are more worried about their dirty laundry maybe ;p
[03:38:08] <SpallsHurgenson> I honestly expected it to fail with a larger and more bilateral majority actually
[03:47:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, Reid stuck felony streaming from sopa in that bill. it's a very good thing it didn't pass.
[03:55:43] <SpallsHurgenson> my understanding is he WANTED to but it wasn't in the bill that was voted on.
[03:57:08] <juggs> felony streaming? That has to be a joke
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[03:58:49] <Subsentient> $wz
[03:58:50] <aqu4> 1 games available.
[03:58:51] <aqu4> 3[1] Name: We didn't start the viral | Map: ScavsRevenge-T1 | Host: SubSen(MOEPP) | Players: 3/4 | IP: 216.161.165.96 | Version: 3.1.1
[03:58:51] <SpallsHurgenson> and looking here I don't see mention of it, just stuff restricting pentaps and about FISA court https://www.congress.gov{%22search%22%3A[%22USA+Freedom+Act%22]}
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[04:09:48] <SunTzuWarmaster> eh
[04:10:10] <SunTzuWarmaster> I have some objection to significant change during any lame duck session
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[04:20:40] <chromas> curl doesn't like that url
[04:23:22] <SpallsHurgenson> maybe it likes this one better: https://www.congress.gov
[04:23:23] <|> ^ 03S.2685 - 113th Congress (2013-2014): USA FREEDOM Act of 2014 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
[04:23:29] <SpallsHurgenson> yay :)
[04:23:33] <chromas> it's the {[]}
[04:23:44] <chromas> (3) [globbing] nested brace in column 81
[04:23:49] <SpallsHurgenson> nobody likes {[]}
[04:23:56] <chromas> I'm looking to see if there's an option to turn off globbing
[04:24:42] <chromas> -g
[04:25:24] <chromas> =restart
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[04:25:44] <chromas> https://www.congress.gov{%22search%22%3A[%22USA+Freedom+Act%22]}
[04:25:45] <|> ^ 03S.1599 - 113th Congress (2013-2014): USA FREEDOM Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
[04:26:09] <chromas> man_pages++
[04:26:09] <Bender> karma - man_pages: 1
[04:26:39] <SpallsHurgenson> https://www.congress.gov is the correct one anyway (still no felony streaming that I can see... though it is a lot of legalese so who can tell for sure :)
[04:26:57] <chromas> any lawyers in the house?
[04:27:04] * chromas hears guns clicking
[04:27:14] * SpallsHurgenson readies his shotgun... oh, chromas beat me to it
[04:28:02] * SpallsHurgenson throws something slimy in chromas' direction
[04:28:25] <chromas> as long as you don't fart in my general direction
[04:28:48] <chromas> ~define elderberry
[04:28:50] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3elderberries: 1)Elder or Elderberries-(Sambucus) is a genus of between 5-30 species of fast-growing shrubs or small trees (two species herbaceous), formerly treated in the honeysuckle family Caprifoliaceae, but now...
[04:29:02] <SpallsHurgenson> damn it, I wanted to do the elderberry reference too!
[04:29:12] * SpallsHurgenson launches a giant wooden rabbit instead
[04:29:23] <chromas> Sorry. I just wanted to know if they're a real thing
[04:29:43] <juggs> ah well, as long as it's not the killer rabbits spalls, all will be fine
[04:30:13] <SpallsHurgenson> with nasty big pointy teeth?
[04:30:52] <juggs> aye
[04:31:23] <SpallsHurgenson> forget the Rabbit of Caerbannog, I'm having Night of the Lepus flashbacks :)
[04:40:31] * SpallsHurgenson hippity-hops across the channel in a fluffy-bunny suit
[04:43:07] <silverly> man_pages++
[04:43:07] <Bender> karma - man_pages: 2
[04:43:09] <silverly> tea++
[04:43:09] <Bender> karma - tea: 271
[04:43:11] <silverly> tea++
[04:43:11] <Bender> karma - tea: 272
[04:43:11] <silverly> tea++
[04:43:11] <Bender> karma - tea: 273
[04:43:44] <SpallsHurgenson> karma-karma ++
[04:44:01] <SpallsHurgenson> oops, damn space :)
[04:44:39] <juggs> ++karma
[04:44:39] <|> Karma - karma: 9
[04:44:42] <juggs> ++karma
[04:44:43] <|> Karma - karma: 10
[04:44:52] <juggs> hmm fixed the double count
[04:44:55] <SirFinkus> https://www.emptywheel.net
[04:44:56] <|> ^ 03The Bottom End of the Fourth Amendment | emptywheel
[04:44:59] <SirFinkus> these fucking judges
[04:45:14] <SirFinkus> are you seriousing me?
[04:48:32] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm guessing the judge is basing his argument on the "unreasonable search and seizure" bit... "reasonable" searches don't require a warrant
[04:51:04] <SpallsHurgenson> at least, I'd hope Arnold is trying to make that argument
[04:51:28] <SirFinkus> I'm guessing the judge is basing his argument on the fact that he's a jackass who should be first against the wall when the revolution comes
[04:51:38] <SirFinkus> I'm on all the watchlists anyway, who cares?
[04:52:21] <SpallsHurgenson> well, there's always that option too. As I said, I'd /like/ to believe the former :)
[04:52:26] <SirFinkus> and that argument doesn't work when "reasonable search and seizure" criteria are "they're on the internet
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[04:55:08] <SirFinkus> and the whole idea that because it's at the bottom that it's less important
[04:56:01] <SirFinkus> the way I read the fourth amendment, it's a "can't do this UNLESS these requirements are met"
[04:56:16] <SirFinkus> which kind of requires that requirements be at the end
[04:56:22] <SirFinkus> then again, I'm not a lawyer
[04:58:05] * SpallsHurgenson lowers the shotgun
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[05:23:42] <juggs> !todo
[05:23:42] <Bender> todo for juggs: 1) update http://wiki.soylentnews.org 2) keep todo up to date!
[05:32:37] <NightHawk> Used to think windows 8 had some redeeming features, pity they never work.
[05:33:20] <SirFinkus> Windows: Has some redeeming features, pity they never work
[05:33:42] <SpallsHurgenson> you are having problems with your start screen? :)
[05:34:08] <NightHawk> with DISM not fixing damaged components :/
[05:34:13] <SirFinkus> are they still forcing the "modern" ui on server customers?
[05:34:49] <SpallsHurgenson> oh god, yeah, that thing is useless.
[05:35:25] <SirFinkus> I do freelance tech support shit kind of, and it seems like every windows problem has the same solutions
[05:35:36] <SirFinkus> 1st you remove any viruses
[05:35:42] <SpallsHurgenson> wipe'n'restore!
[05:35:52] <SirFinkus> if that doesn't work, you do a sfc /scannow
[05:36:02] <NightHawk> done and done ;)
[05:36:16] <SirFinkus> if that doesn't work (it won't) you google the error and find a broken technet forum link
[05:36:35] <SpallsHurgenson> I never trust "removing" viruses to be effective. never trust a compromised machine
[05:36:41] <SirFinkus> you folllow the google trail and find a microsoft tool that proports to fix the problem
[05:36:54] <SirFinkus> you download it (300MB) and run it
[05:37:00] <NightHawk> in all fairness sfc does work sometimes.
[05:37:17] <SirFinkus> the process takes 2 hours, with no indication on what it's doing or when it will be done
[05:37:21] <SpallsHurgenson> and the fixit tools are usually smaller :)
[05:37:28] <SirFinkus> then you end up reinstalling windows
[05:37:58] * SirFinkus might have used a little bit of hyperbole
[05:38:33] <NightHawk> not gonna happen today, no surrender.
[05:39:24] <SirFinkus> oh, the best part is when you get to an official looking technet page for with a promising looking link to a 351KB exe
[05:39:43] <SirFinkus> ...that pulls down tens of megabytes of dependencies when run
[05:40:21] <SirFinkus> and then gives a cryptic hex error code when run that you need to google
[05:40:41] <Konomi> I had fun with windows the other night actually
[05:40:51] <Konomi> I was trying to just do some chkdsks on some ntfs drives I have
[05:40:58] <Konomi> everytime I'd plug them in it'd try to index them
[05:41:19] <SirFinkus> usually with an informative "Microsoft critical update notification tool has encountered error 0xADEF03FD"
[05:41:27] <SpallsHurgenson> there's the problem; stop plugging them in :)
[05:41:42] <Konomi> I had to reboot to console mode so it would stop trying to index them so I could chkdsk them
[05:41:51] <Konomi> I did however discover the awesome mountvol command
[05:42:42] <SirFinkus> oh? tell me more
[05:42:57] <NightHawk> how did that help you?
[05:42:58] <ciri> how how brown cow
[05:43:38] <SirFinkus> so has anyone had one of those microsoft troubleshooter tools every help you solve a problem?
[05:44:07] <SpallsHurgenson> I have
[05:44:07] <SirFinkus> the retard gui ones, not stuff like sfc and chkdsk
[05:44:23] <SpallsHurgenson> maybe a 30% success rate but they sometimes work :)
[05:44:23] <Konomi> oh those heh
[05:44:30] <Konomi> 30%?
[05:44:33] <Konomi> I never had even one work
[05:45:16] <SirFinkus> for me, maybe once where I realized I subnetted something wrong once and it offered to turn on dhcp
[05:45:17] <SpallsHurgenson> its usually something I could have done manually (delete files, reset registry settings, etc) but they're sometimes easier just to run and watch :)
[05:45:25] <NightHawk> I think they have one for fixing broken dvd filter entries, if so that would be hard to fuck up.
[05:45:29] <SirFinkus> they always take like 15 minutes
[05:45:51] <SirFinkus> with just that spinning circle for a progress indicator
[05:46:16] * NightHawk checks the spinning circle progress bar behind him
[05:46:26] <SirFinkus> they'd be 500% more useful if they told you what they were doing
[05:46:40] <SirFinkus> "renewing DHCP lease... failed"
[05:46:45] <SirFinkus> might give me a clue
[05:46:54] <NightHawk> they sometimes do on the fixit pages no?
[05:47:11] <NightHawk> kinda like, here's the fiddly, or let us do it for you...
[05:47:19] <SpallsHurgenson> they give a summary after they run too, but no details
[05:48:23] <SpallsHurgenson> but even that summary can sometimes be helpful
[05:49:14] <SirFinkus> the summary is always kind of vague too, if they give one
[05:50:13] <SirFinkus> it kind of reeks of the attitude of a guy who doesn't really know what he's doing, but wants to look busy
[05:50:30] <SirFinkus> and if asked, will just mumble something that sounds vaguely technical
[05:52:43] <SirFinkus> http://windows.microsoft.com this was a tool for a recent problem I fixed
[05:52:44] <|> ^ 03Troubleshoot problems with installing updates - Windows Help
[05:52:57] <SirFinkus> the update store was fucked
[05:53:11] <SirFinkus> the tool ran for 45 minutes and quit with nothing useful
[05:53:35] <SpallsHurgenson> Microsoft's updates seem to be increasingly... problematic these days
[05:54:08] <SirFinkus> customer complaint here was "I installed updates and now windows won't update anymore"
[05:54:50] <SirFinkus> after some research, turns out MS released an update that if installed, totally fucked windows update
[05:55:04] <SirFinkus> there was a "fix", but it didn't work
[05:56:21] <SirFinkus> eventually, I found some forum post by a microsoft employee that said the best way to fix it was to get the OS install disk and preform an upgrade installation over the currently installed version
[05:56:55] <NightHawk> sounds familiar
[05:57:18] <SirFinkus> which took 3 hours, and required I spend another 20 minutes on the phone with some indian guy to convince him that this was a legitimate install
[05:58:12] <SirFinkus> meanwhile, I look like a jackass
[05:58:40] <SirFinkus> of course it's perfectly possible I'm retarded and missed something, but I don't think that's the case
[06:00:31] <NightHawk> nobodies perfect
[06:02:03] <SpallsHurgenson> that's why I stick with MS DOS :)
[06:23:37] * juggs gifts SpallsHurgenson a bundle of NE2000 NICs - they have both rj45 and bnc connectors just in case you're still running thin ethernet over coax. Not that I miss the days of invoicing half a days work to locate a bayonet connector someone had "accidentally" unplugged, or a terminator that had mysteriously gone missing and killed an entire segment. Perhaps we ought to talk about token ring while we're here... I do miss the 90s :D
[06:24:04] <swiss> i'm so glad i never had to deal with that shit
[06:27:20] <SpallsHurgenson> I think I still have one NIC left with BNC
[06:27:22] <juggs> no different to today swiss in many regards only less ways to get utterly done over
[06:27:25] <SpallsHurgenson> you know, just in case :)
[06:28:18] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, I have several in my box of bits. Not sure I have any cables and terminators though.
[06:28:50] <SpallsHurgenson> although what good just ONE would do me I'm not sure :)
[06:29:31] <juggs> security! you could talk to yourself in peace over ipx/spx!
[06:31:04] <juggs> Thinking about it, I'd probably need another mortgage to cover the copper that went into those coax cables
[06:31:38] <SirFinkus> shit, I'm scared of SCSI
[06:32:27] <SpallsHurgenson> and well you should be! :)
[06:32:50] <juggs> ~which~ SCSI? I, II, III, Wide, Fast, UltraWide, UltraFast, FastWideWithSpots?
[06:33:19] * SirFinkus 's head explodes
[06:33:33] <SirFinkus> I suppose I just didn't grow up with it
[06:34:04] <SirFinkus> I was talking more about the terminators, but I suppose that'd be a lot easier to track down than network shit
[06:35:03] <juggs> I have an Adaptec SCSI controller here you can relive old times with if you like SirFinkus - I ~think~ it's an ultrawide, but I daren't dig it outin case it regresses me into ptsd or somesuch.
[06:35:47] <SirFinkus> fun stuff, I don't work in "the industry" but I suppose most stuff is sata now?
[06:36:01] <juggs> ooooh, you can have the cable too... it's about 6ft long with a bajillion connection points for drives.
[06:36:30] <SirFinkus> I like SATA, one drive, one plug, the magic smoke handles the rest
[06:36:42] <juggs> And so it begins again.... sata 1 2 or 3?
[06:37:14] <SirFinkus> it's still one cable one drive
[06:37:18] <SirFinkus> afaik
[06:37:59] <NightHawk> scsi controllers still come in handy sometimes, used one a couple of months ago doing data recovery
[06:38:03] <SirFinkus> I just need to pick out drives and mobos/raid cards that work together, and everything is backwards/forwoards compatible
[06:39:37] <crutchy> coffee++
[06:39:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 941
[06:39:59] <SirFinkus> tea++
[06:39:59] <Bender> karma - tea: 274
[06:40:14] <SirFinkus> beer++
[06:40:14] <Bender> karma - beer: 25
[06:40:32] <SpallsHurgenson> goat_milk++
[06:40:32] <Bender> karma - goat_milk: 1
[06:41:16] <SirFinkus> I kind of wish craft beers with marijuana were legal in Washington, that could be neat
[06:41:50] <SirFinkus> and IPA+ would be neat
[06:42:04] <crutchy> you guys need to change the name of your state
[06:42:15] <SirFinkus> here comes the pun
[06:42:34] <SirFinkus> go on
[06:42:39] <SpallsHurgenson> doo dee doodi doo! here comes the pun; it's all right...
[06:42:44] <crutchy> no pun
[06:42:51] * juggs whacks crutchy anyway
[06:42:54] <SirFinkus> lame
[06:42:55] <crutchy> just finished work
[06:42:57] * SirFinkus likes puns
[06:43:49] <crutchy> the constellation soylent is evolving
[06:44:14] <JamesNZ> Getting larger?
[06:44:32] <crutchy> looks pretty cool
[06:44:55] <crutchy> is there a size limit juggs?
[06:45:29] <crutchy> should change max_sticks to infinity :D
[06:46:38] <juggs> Not sure crutchy - I'm on there now looking to get it properly daemonised, I'll have a quick look through the config
[06:47:48] <SpallsHurgenson> it's getting larger, faster, smarter...
[06:48:07] <SirFinkus> it's pretty cozy right now
[06:49:18] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard is the information superhighway :d
[06:49:22] <SpallsHurgenson> ... soon it will achieve true sentience and then, well we all know what will happen
[06:49:44] <crutchy> it invents its own puns?
[06:49:49] <juggs> We could up the resolution and dump it onto some Xmas special soylent swag posters.
[06:50:54] <crutchy> ive put the sticky slashbox idea on the wiki too, but prolly not high prioritah
[06:51:33] <SpallsHurgenson> soybox
[06:51:35] <juggs> probably wouldn't look too clever squished into a slash box
[06:51:57] <crutchy> might be ok without the nicks
[06:52:32] <crutchy> you would just click the pic to enlarge with nicks
[06:55:05] <crutchy> hmm. yeah would need constant thickness too. yeright prolly would look shit
[06:55:57] <juggs> May as well just thumbnail it once a day or so to do that with it if we just want to give ppl something to clicky on. I'm more interested in what stitching the images together into an animation might bring, and I'm even more interested in not having in running in a screen session and into something of a more robust structure :D
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[06:56:39] <juggs> The latter is my focus right now :D
[06:56:46] <crutchy> isn't there a startup script for bots?
[06:57:30] <crutchy> it might do the forking maybe
[06:57:42] <crutchy> or not. i never seen it
[06:57:57] <juggs> systemd-botctld all get-up-nowd all startd all
[06:58:33] <crutchy> might be worth chucking scripts like that on github so they can be hole-picked
[06:59:01] <juggs> they're mostly a few lines of sh code
[06:59:14] <crutchy> i bet Konomi and ar could pick holes
[06:59:37] <crutchy> they could pick holes in "echo myfart > stuff"
[07:06:02] <juggs> hm... on the ininite sticks thing, we could slow the ageing off, so ppl don't slide off the chart so fast. It could end up like a 3d star chart navigator.... the more they talk the more massive they become as planets / systems within the mesh, the more they talk to an individual the closer the become represented. Which is what piespy is doing, but imagine it in 3d - jump in your ship and go explore the grid with your oculous rift... the closer you
[07:06:02] <juggs> get the more detail there is.... if you travel into one of the blue streams you are plunged into the dialogues between those two nodes at that specific point in time.
[07:06:33] <juggs> But yeh... all that aside... let me get this thing out of a screen session first :D
[07:09:58] <Konomi> init scripts for bots are not a short amount of code
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[07:11:21] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
[07:11:22] <|> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[07:11:25] <Konomi> typically they look like this
[07:11:37] <Konomi> though this one doesn't use fancy output
[07:14:14] <crutchy> konomi could be chief soylent bot init script maintainer
[07:16:37] <juggs> Looks like an eggdrop cron script - that uses all manner of checks to make sure it's not already running, that it previously exited sanely, that's its files are clean before it agrees to start up and play.
[07:17:07] <Konomi> I tend to avoid short looping crons cripts they spam system logs
[07:17:49] <juggs> If I had any idea what "short looping" meant I too would avoid it. :D
[07:18:03] <Konomi> when they're set to run every 10 minutes for example
[07:18:58] <juggs> eggdrop only barfs to its own logfile not syslogs, and only if it encounters a problem.
[07:19:23] <Konomi> basic systemd service file for managing a process as a daemon
[07:19:24] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
[07:19:25] <|> ^ 03Paste ofCode
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[07:23:43] <juggs> Carbon is not systemd yet - Ubu 14.04
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[07:38:08] <ar> tcpdump: CVE-2014-8767, CVE-2014-8768, CVE-2014-8769
[07:39:21] <ar> (someone probably will want to make a submission out of ↑)
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[07:44:40] <crutchy> coffee++
[07:44:40] <Bender> karma - coffee: 942
[07:45:26] * crutchy didnt realize kerberos was in windows 7
[07:46:15] <Konomi> ar: what have we got this time ;p ?
[07:46:29] <ar> Konomi: hm?
[07:46:44] <juggs> systemd-ebolad !!!
[07:46:46] <ar> crutchy: kerberos is an important part of AD
[07:47:01] <ar> crutchy: you cannot have AD without kerberos
[07:48:02] <Konomi> ar: the CVEs?
[07:48:13] <crutchy> Apple Disdain?
[07:49:09] <Konomi> is tcpdump even commonly used outside of debugging?
[07:49:15] <crutchy> Another Disaster?
[07:49:19] <Konomi> oh library
[07:49:30] <Konomi> DoS on tcpdump apparently
[07:51:11] <Konomi> ar: what I am reading says tcpdump not libpcap is the library effected or just the binary?
[07:52:48] <crutchy> as much as trolls will always spin things negatively, i'm glad there are big bugs being found in linnux apps lately
[07:53:08] <crutchy> software always has them, so better to find them than not
[07:54:06] <crutchy> suggests that more people are scrutinizing the code, which was probly triggered by heartbleed
[07:54:19] <Konomi> looks like only tcpdump is effected why would that be news worthy ar?
[07:54:57] <crutchy> only makes the front page if its called tcpdumpctl
[07:55:38] <chromas> but crutchy, they told me it's like Unix so it's inherently secure from the ground up
[07:56:06] <chromas> 'cause Unix was designed with security in mind
[07:57:37] <Konomi> unix was designed with the 1970s in mind ;p
[07:57:58] <Konomi> most people when referring to nix security mean the design
[07:58:03] <Konomi> not stupid coding bugs people make
[07:59:34] <chromas> while(0)++
[08:10:33] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:10:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 941
[08:10:34] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:10:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 940
[08:10:35] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:10:35] <Bender> karma - coffee: 939
[08:10:36] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:10:36] <Bender> karma - coffee: 938
[08:10:37] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:10:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 937
[08:10:37] <crutchy> chromas, i had a trippy idea for exec during my lunch break today
[08:11:29] <chromas> oh?
[08:11:32] <crutchy> wanna see if i can enable interaction with exec using http requests
[08:11:36] <chromas> Add a web server?
[08:11:42] <chromas> ooh
[08:12:10] <crutchy> i wanna still enable it to run on my lappy behind two nat routers (one with no forwarded ports) using a relay script
[08:12:19] <crutchy> on my web server
[08:12:22] <chromas> Then I can request a bucket var like a url
[08:12:27] <crutchy> yeah
[08:12:34] <crutchy> well, that's the theory anyway
[08:13:55] <Konomi> that increased attack surface ;p
[08:14:12] * chromas gives crutchy 7 proxies
[08:16:24] <SirFinkus> spiders are fucking on my wall
[08:17:14] <crutchy> abstracted_abstraction++
[08:17:14] <Bender> karma - abstracted_abstraction: 1
[08:17:26] <crutchy> moar_complexity++
[08:17:26] <Bender> karma - moar_complexity: 1
[08:17:58] <SirFinkus> I think the female is about to eat the male
[08:17:58] <crutchy> Konomi?
[08:18:13] <Konomi> but I'm not a spider
[08:18:14] <crutchy> SirFinkus, i think that's called fellatio
[08:18:24] <SirFinkus> well...
[08:18:47] <SirFinkus> the deed is done, but the male is sticking around
[08:19:12] <SirFinkus> I think the male spider usually gets eaten
[08:19:46] <chromas> It depends on the spider; some just have alimony payments
[08:19:58] <JamesNZ> SirFinkus: TMI.
[08:20:29] <SirFinkus> it's mildly intersting biology
[08:20:42] <SirFinkus> they always feature that part on national geographic
[08:21:26] <SirFinkus> "the male delicately plucks the strands on the female's web"
[08:21:27] <SirFinkus> etc
[08:24:01] <chromas> crutchy: once you do that, you can have scripts run from other computers
[08:29:30] <chromas> You could trigger actions and do everything in the bot by way of http requests
[08:30:15] <crutchy> the plan is a bit funky
[08:30:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 68 Katy – 68000 Linux on a Solderless Breadboard - http://sylnt.us - back-to-the-future
[08:30:44] <ar> Konomi: tcpdump, i guess
[08:31:38] * crutchy can't get the goat simulator music out of his head :/
[08:38:00] <crutchy> coffee++
[08:38:00] <Bender> karma - coffee: 938
[08:38:36] <crutchy> maybe i should use ping++ instead of coffee++ as my pinger. prolly more politically correct
[08:39:08] <chromas> pc--
[08:39:08] <Bender> karma - pc: 0
[08:39:19] <chromas> politically_correct--
[08:39:19] <Bender> karma - politically_correct: -1
[08:39:24] <chromas> pc++ # master race
[08:39:24] <Bender> karma - pc: 1
[08:43:49] <swiss> ps3++
[08:43:49] <Bender> karma - ps3: 1
[08:44:56] <chromas> at least ps3s take any 2½" sata HDD, unlike that other guy
[08:45:41] <chromas> or is it 3.5"?
[08:46:20] <chromas> anyhow, ms gameboxes need buttmagical firmware in the hdds
[08:46:23] <juggs> measure it yourself!
[08:46:43] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:46:43] <Bender> karma - coffee: 937
[08:46:44] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:46:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 936
[08:46:45] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:46:45] <Bender> karma - coffee: 935
[08:46:56] <chromas> afraid I'll be disappointed if I measure it
[08:48:07] <crutchy> just don't root your xbox cos it might eat you after
[08:51:26] <SirFinkus> doesn't the xbox have some shit that can physically burn out circuits on its cpus if you mod it and they detect it?
[08:52:16] <swiss> ps3 doesn't charge for online play
[08:52:19] <swiss> that's what's badass
[08:52:20] <SirFinkus> fuck, wish I could find that info
[08:52:41] <SirFinkus> not really badass, pc has had that since forever
[08:52:45] <crutchy> dunno. you prolly have to ask the people doing it
[08:52:52] <swiss> SirFinkus: for now
[08:53:06] <crutchy> http://www.ozmodchips.com
[08:53:09] <|> ^ 03Xbox 360 : OzModChips.com, Australian Supplier of WiiKey, Drivekey, M3, R4DS and CycloDS
[08:53:17] <swiss> until the game companies realize how much of a profit they're making from monthly payments
[08:53:24] <swiss> and all the major games start charging for online play
[08:57:16] <chromas> pc's also compatible with the entire catalog of every pc game ever made, plus most all older consoles by emulation
[08:57:41] <Konomi> I'll go indie and they can die in a fire \o/
[08:57:54] <chromas> online--
[08:57:54] <Bender> karma - online: -1
[08:57:55] <Konomi> which I pretty much already did
[08:57:56] <chromas> friends--
[08:57:56] <Bender> karma - friends: -1
[08:58:05] <ar> http://jolla.com
[08:58:06] <|> ^ 03Jolla Tablet - Jolla
[08:58:49] <Konomi> it's swipes it slides it browses at 256 kb!
[08:59:08] <Konomi> I fucking hate advertising ;_;
[08:59:29] <SirFinkus> how bullshit is it that you pay money for xbox live, but still get ads?
[08:59:30] <ciri> how how brown cow
[08:59:38] <SirFinkus> ciri--
[08:59:38] <Bender> karma - ciri: -22
[08:59:46] <chromas> it's just like hulu
[09:00:01] <SirFinkus> oh man, hulu
[09:00:08] <chromas> julu
[09:00:32] <crutchy> adblock_edge++
[09:00:32] <Bender> karma - adblock_edge: 2
[09:00:43] <SirFinkus> the exact same content I can get free over the air, with more annoying ads and lower quality? sign me up
[09:01:03] <chromas> nothing over the air is worth watching
[09:01:16] <chromas> nbc--
[09:01:16] <Bender> karma - nbc: -1
[09:01:19] <chromas> abc--
[09:01:19] <Bender> karma - abc: 0
[09:01:20] <chromas> etc
[09:01:22] <crutchy> between youtube and viooz (with abe) i'm happy
[09:01:53] <crutchy> though i've prolly watched 2 movies in last 6 months
[09:03:31] <SirFinkus> errr, private trackers
[09:07:00] <SirFinkus> homemade_bacon_cheddar_and_potato_soup_on_a_cold_day++
[09:07:00] <Bender> karma - homemade_bacon_cheddar_and_potato_soup_on_a_cold_day: 1
[09:07:16] <crutchy> soup++
[09:07:16] <Bender> karma - soup: 2
[09:43:13] <swiss> SirFinkus: i want some
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[09:55:12] <Konomi> this tablet name
[09:55:15] <Konomi> sounds like yolo
[09:55:16] <Konomi> >.<
[09:55:34] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[09:55:35] <|> ^ 03Jolla Tablet. We make it. You make it yours. - YouTube
[10:01:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Republicans Block Attempt at NSA Reform in Senate - http://sylnt.us - surprise-surprise!
[10:01:48] <crutchy> nice spin
[10:02:45] <crutchy> what's more likely is that some republicans actually read the bill and found all the dodgy earmarks and stuff the democrats and lobbyists tried to slip in unnoticed
[10:04:56] <crutchy> first thing republicans should do in january is pass the 'read the bills' bill
[10:05:24] <crutchy> rand_paul++
[10:05:24] <Bender> karma - rand_paul: 1
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[10:49:14] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:49:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 936
[11:05:52] <Konomi> yay
[11:06:01] <Konomi> I killed off the every changing mozilla about:home page it stays static now
[11:08:48] <crutchy> noice
[11:09:18] <ar> http://scadastrangelove.blogspot.com - who want to make a submission out of it? :)
[11:09:18] <|> ^ 03SCADA StrangeLove: BootKit via SMS
[11:12:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> too early for me to read
[11:13:33] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:13:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 937
[11:13:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> indeed
[11:13:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:13:58] <Bender> karma - coffee: 938
[11:14:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> amphetamine++ #coffee's big brother
[11:14:30] <Bender> karma - amphetamine: 1
[11:14:54] <Konomi> finally free of firefoxs stupid videos on my home page wheee ._.
[11:15:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> about:blank++
[11:15:42] <chromas> about:blank++
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[11:30:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Debian General Resolution To Prevent Init System Coupling Fails to Pass - http://sylnt.us - I-hope-we-don't-regret-this
[11:32:03] <Konomi> let the complaing begin ha
[11:34:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> me first, me first
[11:34:54] <Konomi> tbh I was kinda hoping they'd say support it
[11:35:01] <Konomi> because it'd make the transition less bumpy
[11:36:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya and because it'd make tying widely used packages solely to systemd less attractive
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[11:43:47] <Konomi> "systemd ate my baby"\
[11:44:14] <ar> systemd sucks
[11:46:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> having to read the 217 release notes cause arch bumped up to that version
[11:46:26] <Konomi> anything interesting?
[11:46:30] <Konomi> still on 215 here I think
[11:46:43] <ar> % eix -I systemd
[11:46:43] <ar> No matches found.
[11:47:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, nothin special so far. 216 had more changes.
[11:48:19] <Konomi> I imagine the features will slow down soon
[11:50:04] <Konomi> http://cgit.freedesktop.org ~
[11:50:04] <|> ^ 03systemd/systemd - System and Session Manager
[11:51:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> gods i hope so. i could really use a fix so i don't have to reload nfs every reboot
[11:55:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like a safe enough update, fingers crossed
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[11:57:26] <Konomi> then it all exploded
[11:57:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> well it is arch so anything's possible
[12:00:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> woah, tcl and tk updates. wonder why
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[12:01:17] <Blackmoore_> coffee++
[12:01:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 939
[12:01:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Blackmoore
[12:01:30] <Blackmoore_> mornin TMB
[12:01:43] <Blackmoore_> i cant belive this storm
[12:02:24] <Blackmoore_> how are things?
[12:06:28] <Konomi> debian decided they'd no longer support sysvinit scripts as well as systemd service files
[12:06:31] <Konomi> the world is in a panic
[12:06:45] <Konomi> civilisation is failing
[12:06:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> peachy enough. coffee and drugs are kicking in so i should be awake soon.
[12:07:50] * chromas runs around in circles
[12:07:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, that actually is a big deal to any sysadmin who's written their own sysvinit scripts for custom services.
[12:08:05] <crutchy> circlectl run chromas
[12:08:22] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: it's okay they can just write a service file to call their script now
[12:08:25] <Konomi> the horror ;p
[12:08:51] <Konomi> or use the LSB compatibility layer
[12:09:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, most of them will probably do that too. or write a service to read sysvinit scripts in general.
[12:09:33] <crutchy> or call scriptctl readmind TheMightyBuzzard
[12:09:34] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
[12:09:35] <|> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[12:09:40] <Konomi> ^ not really a service file at all
[12:10:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh
[12:10:19] <Konomi> I need to get around to porting it to a service file though just lazy
[12:10:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> never argue with something that works
[12:11:42] <Konomi> sorry I argued with you dos ;_;
[12:13:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas a pretty liberal definition of "works" you have there =P
[12:13:29] <Konomi> true
[12:13:32] <Konomi> I was going to say apple at first
[12:13:42] <Konomi> but I thought for a bit and decided it wouldn't fit either
[12:15:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> improvements are good but reworking something to achieve the exact same result you currently have is less good.
[12:15:09] <Konomi> dos was actually a pretty bad example to be honest it used to fall over a lot
[12:15:18] <Konomi> but it restarted so fast so...
[12:15:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> says the guy who's spent over a week on filters in slash
[12:16:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, my system takes less time to boot than the bios takes to post nowadays.
[12:16:28] <Konomi> yep lol...
[12:16:37] <Konomi> for some reason my bios takes about 3 seconds to find the mbr
[12:16:39] <Konomi> don't know why
[12:16:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> funky
[12:17:23] <Konomi> then again if you press a mash of buttons as you enter my bios you can freeze it!
[12:17:30] <Konomi> it also has gammar errors ;_;
[12:18:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine takes something like 8-10 seconds to post all the way through. about five to give me a gui login prompt after that.
[12:18:25] <Konomi> please be careful as to not blow too close to my bios
[12:19:02] <Konomi> thankfully I think most modern OSes take over the hardware soon as they start posting
[12:20:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya. not looking forward to the eventual move to UEFI.
[12:21:08] <Konomi> the attack surface is far more scary to me than close source bioses tbh ;p
[12:21:39] <Konomi> I remember an earlier uefi demo of a web browser inside it
[12:22:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i really liked being able to move a jumper and make the bios read only in hardware.
[12:22:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> hack yer way around that, bitches
[12:23:21] <Konomi> http://www.overclock3d.net
[12:23:29] <Konomi> there are no words
[12:23:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[12:24:11] <Konomi> http://www.overclock3d.net
[12:24:14] <Konomi> go BIOS puppy go go
[12:24:47] <Konomi> guess which mobo brand I will not be buying in the future....
[12:24:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like a kitty
[12:25:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> silly japanese people
[12:25:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> or possibly koreans
[12:27:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, reboot and coffee refill time
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[12:29:46] <crutchy> wholly carp. my webserver error log went from 1.5 mb to 45 gb in about 10 mins
[12:29:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> ?!
[12:30:14] <crutchy> stupid bot :/
[12:38:08] <crutchy> coffee++
[12:38:08] <Bender> karma - coffee: 940
[12:40:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++ #cup 2
[12:40:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 941
[12:48:17] <Konomi> 45gb that's impressive
[12:49:19] <Konomi> SystemMaxFileSize++
[12:49:19] <Bender> karma - systemmaxfilesize: 1
[12:50:55] <crutchy> bot was requesting continuously pretty much
[12:51:22] <crutchy> came up with a way to throttle it
[12:53:15] <SirFinkus> I can think of a bot I'd like to throttle
[12:53:19] * SirFinkus eyes ciri
[12:55:18] <crutchy> irciv.us.to/?exec&username=crutchy&token=test&data=test
[12:55:33] <crutchy> ^ working on my own little api, tmb
[12:55:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> nifty
[12:55:54] <crutchy> that link wasn't a link was it
[12:56:07] <crutchy> http://irciv.us.to
[12:56:55] <crutchy> kinda like dcc over http
[12:56:57] <crutchy> or some shit
[12:57:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:57:42] <crutchy> bit slow cos its throttled for testing at 8 sec
[12:58:06] <crutchy> i'll crank it up to 1 sec or 0.5 sec later
[13:00:40] <crutchy> bit of a funky data flow:
[13:00:42] <crutchy> bot -> nat (no ports forwarded) -> webserver <- nat (port 80 forwarded) <- browser request
[13:01:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> funkay
[13:02:13] <chromas> Poke through one nat and have a proxy script on the httpd 😁
[13:03:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> speaking of apis, i may work on mine some today. get story submissions working possibly.
[13:03:13] <chromas> Browser request -> httpd -> nat -> bot
[13:03:59] <crutchy> the httpd script serves requests from the browser and the bot
[13:06:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't use http requests between bot and browser, use a proper generic socket and you can use push notifications.
[13:13:28] <crutchy> what are push notifications?
[13:13:41] <crutchy> is that an apache thing?
[13:14:20] <chromas> The bot gets the message pushed to it instead of having to poll for requests
[13:14:45] <crutchy> how does the push notification get through a nat with no ports forwarded?
[13:16:00] <crutchy> if the bot script had direct access to a port (not necessarily 80) it could just have its own listener
[13:16:20] <crutchy> the closed nat is the tricky bit
[13:18:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, the bot connects to the server and can then have notifications pushed back at it
[13:18:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> it stays connected instead of having to poll regularly
[13:18:28] <crutchy> an
[13:18:33] <crutchy> *ah
[13:18:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> needs to be a separate process from apache though
[13:19:00] <crutchy> that would be ok
[13:19:19] <crutchy> the two request handlers are fairly seperate anyway
[13:19:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmm
[13:20:03] <crutchy> uses request/response files to sync
[13:20:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> you'd need a way to communicate from apache to your new daemon or you'd need to set up a baby web daemon as part of the listener daemon though.
[13:20:40] <crutchy> the bot and browser requests are already different apache processes
[13:20:56] <crutchy> or threads
[13:21:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're on the same machine?
[13:21:11] <crutchy> yup
[13:21:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeesh
[13:21:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> why dod you have to go through nat then?
[13:21:53] <crutchy> its a bit compricated, but i like the staying open socket idea
[13:22:15] <crutchy> bot isn't running on same machine sorry
[13:22:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh, now it makes sense
[13:22:29] <crutchy> webserver is in a dmz
[13:22:38] <chromas> We need a topology map of crutchy's lan: D
[13:22:49] <crutchy> nah its pretty basic
[13:23:07] <Konomi> https://soylentnews.org
[13:23:08] <|> ^ 03SN comment by Anonymous Coward
[13:23:13] <Konomi> some people really are disturbing
[13:24:33] <ar> http://lists.freedesktop.org
[13:24:33] <|> ^ 03[systemd-devel] Cannot use systemctl after heavy swapping pre { white-space: pre-wrap; /* css-2.1, curent FF, Opera, Safari */ } [systemd-devel] Cannot use systemctl after heavy swapping Jan Janssen medhefgo at web.de Fri Nov 14 06:20:23 PST 2014 Previous message: [systemd-devel] systemd DBus services exit when they haveclients Next message: [systemd-devel] Cannot use
[13:24:46] <ar> huh
[13:24:51] <ar> the bot exploded
[13:24:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> AC ain't wrong though. people are too fucking likely to get offended and think that being offended matters nowadays.
[13:25:45] <Konomi> AC is also delusional beyond all belief though ;p
[13:26:05] <crutchy> i added my 2c :d
[13:26:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't count how many times this has been part of a conversation I've had. Them: I'm offended by <blah> that you (said|did)! Me: So?
[13:27:22] <Konomi> lol the anonymous reply
[13:27:28] <Konomi> was that you crutchy ;p
[13:28:01] <Konomi> hmm can't be the lack of full stops and capital letters
[13:28:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, could be him slipping into irc rules for english
[13:29:41] <crutchy> must be bed time for me
[13:29:47] <crutchy> thanks for the chat guys
[13:29:55] <Konomi> see you
[13:29:59] <crutchy> and girl :D
[13:30:03] <ar> http://pastie.org
[13:30:04] <|> ^ 03Private Paste - Pastie
[13:30:11] <Konomi> guys is almost genderless these days ;p
[13:30:16] <crutchy> nod
[13:30:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, i'm not. i just checked.
[13:30:47] <Konomi> you're not what?
[13:30:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> genderless
[13:31:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> intentional misunderstandings are fun
[13:31:34] <Konomi> http://www.merriam-webster.com
[13:31:35] <|> ^ 03Genderless - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
[13:31:36] <Konomi> see point 2
[13:32:20] <Konomi> the word is genderless not the reference to that it entails
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[13:32:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> was referring to lack of quotes around the word "guys" indicating you were talking about the word and not about actual guys
[13:32:38] <Konomi> yes I was ;p
[13:33:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, well in that case, :-PbPbPb
[13:33:24] <Konomi> lol
[13:34:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> speaking of manly things, i wish winter would get over. getting kind of tired of this beard but it keeps my face n neck warm.
[13:35:00] <Konomi> you do know we have these things called scarfs ;p
[13:35:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but mine aren't as cool as tom baker's
[13:36:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus i almost got it to ZZ Top length and every guy should do that once in their life.
[13:36:21] <AndyTheAbsurd> clearly a Soylent News scarf should be added to the store.
[13:36:32] <Konomi> we could get you an MLP scarf
[13:36:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> for next winter, yep
[13:37:27] <Konomi> I need a systemd scarf
[13:37:49] <Konomi> they need a mascot then I can have the tux penguin making out with it to invoke extra rage
[13:38:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> argh, we don't have a link to the store on the front page
[13:38:10] <Konomi> I'll pin a SJW badge to it while I am at it
[13:38:24] <Konomi> http://boingboing.net
[13:38:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas fine, ghostbusters slash is just a red sharpie away.
[13:39:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> tis no fscking wonder we're not making money on the store if WE HAVE NO LINKS TO IT
[13:40:01] <Konomi> "Now I'm going to have to switch distros again." <- is it bad I thought "Good fuck off so I don't have to hear your moaning anymore"?
[13:40:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, being annoyed is everyone's $deity-given right.
[13:41:13] <Konomi> I feel offended you implied everyone has some sort of god there
[13:41:19] <Konomi> where is my null exception?
[13:41:20] <ciri> not sure Konomi
[13:41:24] <Konomi> ciri--
[13:41:24] <Bender> karma - ciri: -23
[13:41:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> nobody ever said $deity had to return other than undef
[13:41:51] <Konomi> hmm I guess it still works
[13:42:00] <Konomi> though you'd have a double space
[13:42:05] <Konomi> and my OCD just won't let that stand
[13:42:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh
[13:42:22] <Konomi> I'm pretty sure undef would throw an error too if you tried to use it in a string
[13:43:01] <AndyTheAbsurd> in here for like 5 minutes this morning and I've already updated my quotes.txt file twice.
[13:43:06] <AndyTheAbsurd> https://lofn.hardison.net updated
[13:43:14] <Konomi> no no wait
[13:43:34] <Konomi> you probably don't have strict or warnings on in perl at all you work on slashcode after all
[13:43:37] * Konomi runs for it
[13:43:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> slash uses strict and warnings on everything surprisingly
[13:44:12] <Konomi> that is kind of an achivement in itself
[13:44:19] <Konomi> was that before or after you took a chainsaw to it?
[13:44:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> only throws warnings if you try to use it in a substitution for the most part.
[13:44:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> of which we have MANY by the way
[13:45:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> been meaning to go in and fix them so the logs are more readable.
[13:45:39] <Konomi> I can't find the motivation to code lately
[13:45:54] <Konomi> I've been mostly doing file cleaning as of late
[13:46:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, me either. i'm doing so purely to not be bored at this point.
[13:46:17] <Konomi> I try to take long breaks
[13:46:28] <Konomi> and leave the code in a state that lets me come back to it I burn out easily
[13:46:52] <Konomi> I think I might start buying some bars of chocolate for motivation though
[13:47:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> do it now, prices are going to go up.
[13:47:26] <Konomi> global warming ;_; ?
[13:47:36] <Konomi> they already said my caffeine prices would increase from it!
[13:47:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> supply is going down because of diseases to the plants and demand is increasing in china.
[13:47:49] <ar> https://en.wikipedia.org
[13:47:49] <|> ^ 03Wiki: Dancing Plague of 1518
[13:47:57] <Konomi> nuuu I need chocolate >.<
[13:48:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> saw a story on it on phys.org i think the other day
[13:48:22] <Konomi> seriously mood swings suck and it's the best fix most of the time x.x
[13:49:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> i've been around women for ~40 years now. this is not breaking news.
[13:49:52] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[13:50:04] <Konomi> ;p
[13:51:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> like the water meter reader carrying doggy treats, guys with a SO should always have chocolate handy.
[13:51:20] <Konomi> hmm probably sound advice
[13:51:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> and good running shoes in case it doesn't work.
[13:51:57] <Konomi> I don't tend to explode like the stereotype
[13:52:05] <Konomi> it does make you feel pretty miserable though
[13:52:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, my brain's got issues like that if i don't take my meds. yay drugs!
[13:53:13] <Konomi> wish I could go that route will be cheaper than chocolate soon ;p
[13:53:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> speaking of, i should prolly fill out my obamacare exemption paperwork so i don't have to shoot any IRS guys this year.
[13:53:35] <Konomi> AndyTheAbsurd: creepy ;p
[13:54:28] <Konomi> tbh I never thought any of those were funny I was just going for dripping sarcasm with a bit of mocking *shrugs*
[13:54:49] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: when you do cut off the beard of awesome, you should auction it off on soylent
[13:55:46] <AndyTheAbsurd> Konomi: I find dripping sarcasm and mocking to be funny. I *may* have a warped sense of humor.
[13:55:48] <Konomi> glue it to the back of your neck so people stirke up a conversation with the back of your head that way you can use your computer more
[13:55:59] <Konomi> hehe
[13:56:30] <Konomi> just sick of the whole systemd thing I give it a year it will be a non issue just like pulseaudio was
[13:57:08] <Konomi> I'm more worried it's a sign the whole drama/attention whoring econemy has finally spread to the technical community
[13:57:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> nobody made you use pulseaudio. you could uninstall it and use alsa/jack/etc...
[13:57:26] <Konomi> skype requires it
[13:57:32] <Konomi> and so do a lot of programs now soooooo
[13:57:35] <Konomi> not really \o/
[13:57:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck skype
[13:57:49] <Konomi> I mentally visualised that
[13:57:51] <Konomi> it was disturbing
[13:57:59] <Konomi> the beard thing didn't help!
[13:58:19] <Konomi> https://en.wikipedia.org
[13:58:20] <|> ^ 03Wiki: Attention economy
[13:58:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> beards always help. they're awesome and manly and make bears be your friend instead of try to eat you.
[13:58:38] <Konomi> drama and manafactured controversy go go go
[13:58:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless grizzly adams lied to me anyway
[13:58:53] <Konomi> hmm that does sound like an advantage
[13:58:57] <Konomi> though we lack bears in australia
[13:59:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, dunno if it works with drop bears
[13:59:13] <Konomi> and the heat would make one quite inconvienant
[13:59:25] <Konomi> drop bears have no mercy
[13:59:56] <Konomi> like bankers and your home morgage
[14:00:42] <Konomi> god I hate my OCD I have these old game music files
[14:00:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dig that they're cute yet evil. it's a good metaphor for many things in life.
[14:01:01] <Konomi> and my OCD is going to make sure I listen to them all at least once before I purge them from my flying media
[14:01:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh
[14:01:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> script it
[14:01:29] <Konomi> I have an audio player with playlist I think scripts may be a little overboard ;p
[14:01:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> mpg123 $file && rm $file
[14:02:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a bash one liner
[14:02:44] <Konomi> you didn't define file at all
[14:02:51] <Konomi> and you do know anything can be a bash one liner
[14:02:59] <Konomi> just depends how much you like hurting yourself
[14:03:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i din know where you kept the files so i left the globbing for the loop to you
[14:03:38] <Konomi> I recently discovered the joys of ** with globstar in shopt
[14:03:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> been meaning to read up on that
[14:03:56] <Konomi> no more crappy find .
[14:04:04] <Konomi> no more crappy echo * and hope it doesn't explode in my face
[14:04:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh?
[14:04:09] <Konomi> http://www.linuxjournal.com
[14:04:10] <|> ^ 03Globstar: New Bash Globbing Option | Linux Journal
[14:04:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm....
[14:04:27] <Konomi> example
[14:05:09] <Konomi> shopt -s globstar nullglob && echo ./**/* ; shopt -u globstar nullglob
[14:05:26] <Konomi> will list recursively and escaped every single file in pwd
[14:05:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. one of these days i shall learn the fu of it. prolly not today though.
[14:06:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> take a lot to get me to not use find though. i'm actually good at it.
[14:06:18] <Konomi> I don't like find
[14:06:28] <Konomi> globs are much nicer
[14:06:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, the syntax is kinda fookin weird
[14:06:40] <Konomi> you can combine them with a for loop for find like behaviour
[14:06:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[14:06:47] <Konomi> just shove the result into an array
[14:07:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> would help if you need to do something beyond the scope of -exec
[14:08:28] <Konomi> reason I found this is I wnated to recursively get every path of a file and pass it as a single call to a process
[14:08:38] <Konomi> you just cna't do that with find
[14:09:20] <Konomi> cause it works for every file on a line and when you try to get that into a single line spaces and special characters become a freaking nightmare
[14:09:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[14:15:15] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[14:15:15] <|> ^ 03How Ferguson showed us the truth about police - YouTube
[14:17:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> also showed us domestic terrorism is fine as long as the victim is black
[14:17:32] * Konomi nods
[14:18:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> much like #GamerGate, the valid message is being overshadowed by asshats
[14:19:35] <Konomi> gamergate was still born due to origins
[14:20:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Debian General Resolution to Prevent Init System Coupling Fails to Pass - http://sylnt.us - I-hope-we-don't-regret-this
[14:20:49] <Konomi> hmm why did that show up twice?
[14:20:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> edited maybe?
[14:21:27] <Konomi> article heading change: To -> to
[14:21:28] <Konomi> xD
[14:22:44] <paulej72> I wonder how long I can stay on RHEL 6 clones
[14:24:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> just go to slackware. it deserves the love.
[14:24:30] <paulej72> but by design it is only for slackers
[14:24:37] <Konomi> http://www.phoronix.com
[14:24:38] <|> ^ 03[Phoronix] Ian Jackson Resigns From The Debian Technical Committee
[14:24:53] <Konomi> wasn't this the guy pushing for the vote in the article I just talked about?
[14:25:46] <Konomi> yup
[14:29:18] <ar> Ian Jackson resigned from Debian
[14:30:03] <Konomi> from the tech committee
[14:30:06] <Konomi> not debian ;p
[14:30:17] <paulej72> Is that the guy that plays Gandolf or the one who directed the movies :)
[14:30:20] <Konomi> "I now hope to spend more of my free software time doing programming.
[14:30:20] <Konomi> dgit is at the top of my Debian queue, but some of my GNU and SGO
[14:30:21] <Konomi> projects could do with attention too."
[14:36:58] <Konomi> "Don't worry, he's not. Some people falsely equate embracing "Don't be a dick" as a moral standard with weakness and over-sensitivity. Also, GP seems to be equating not discriminating against people based on inborn traits like gender identity, race, and sexual orientation with being unwilling to criticize stupid ideas or shoddy work for being stupid and shoddy."
[14:37:04] <Konomi> nice reply to that post I linked to earlier
[14:40:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - UK Crowd Funding Moon Landing - http://sylnt.us - croud-fun-thing
[14:42:50] <Konomi> wow...
[14:42:52] <Konomi> https://soylentnews.org
[14:42:53] <|> ^ 03SN comment by Anonymous Coward
[14:43:36] <Konomi> applause.gif goes here
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[15:04:01] <mechanicjay> Bleargh -- early.
[15:04:39] <mechanicjay> coffee++
[15:04:39] <Bender> karma - coffee: 942
[15:04:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> mechanicjay, early? i been up for four hours, coding for 3.
[15:05:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> you on pacific time or something?
[15:05:20] <mechanicjay> :) Yeah
[15:05:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[15:05:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 943
[15:06:07] <mechanicjay> caught the 6:00 bus to be at my desk at 7:00.
[15:07:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's okay then. i was okay to code by six but leaving the house is another story entirely.
[15:08:10] <mechanicjay> I'd prefer to do a 9-6 shift, but given traffic and bus schedules, 7-4 is what I'm doing to minimize my travel time.
[15:11:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> perks of my self-employed self: work only when necessary. perils: work whenever necessary.
[15:11:12] <paulej72> what about a 6 to 9 shift or 4-7,
[15:11:23] <paulej72> much better on the working hours :)
[15:12:55] * TheMightyBuzzard grumbles
[15:14:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> appears that we use fixStory and balanceTags on input rather than rendering. this doth bother me.
[15:15:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> more bloody filter work found thanks to api work.
[15:26:16] <mechanicjay> paulej72: :)
[15:33:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, Looks like we're going to run a couple weeks late this release. Still work to do and needs time on dev for testing.
[15:35:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> On the up side, I think I'll go ahead and pull request the api too. it's done enough for AC use after I get AC submissions working.
[15:47:05] <paulej72> sounds good to me. I would not be adverse to having it be a 15-01 release due to the holidays
[15:48:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. hard to tell if holidays mean we have more time or less to get work done.
[15:48:23] <chromas> Need an xmas theme. Maybe js snowflakes
[15:48:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, get on that then.
[15:48:45] <Konomi> jingle bells code released web site suddenly exploded
[15:49:20] <Konomi> can we get a omg ponies theme?
[15:49:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, seriously, themes are wicked easy to create.
[15:49:25] * chromas bobs to music
[15:50:00] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: we just need one that's got xmas colors like red and white
[15:50:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> ... thas our default
[15:50:44] <Konomi> hehe
[15:50:46] <chromas> 😁
[15:51:37] <chromas> Are a green stripe. Stripes make cars go faster so it should work for the site too
[15:51:54] <chromas> s/are/add/
[15:52:59] <Konomi> http://i3.minus.com
[15:52:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> i find no flaw in your logic
[15:53:08] <Konomi> you don't wanna even know how old that screenshot is ;p
[15:53:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i actually remember that
[15:54:24] * chromas never witnessed it. Must've not hit the site that day
[15:54:40] <Konomi> according to the time stamp
[15:54:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, whadda we want returned on successful submission of a story for the api? what'd i return for successful comment submission?
[15:54:44] <Konomi> 2007
[15:54:53] <Konomi> might be earlier though it's a file time stamp so
[15:55:08] <Konomi> and that's windows so it'sbeen probably over 5 hard drives since then
[15:55:24] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: 👍 for success, 💩 for failure
[15:59:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> think ima just return the entire sub data along with the subid
[16:01:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Quantum Computer Runs Simon's Algorithm - http://sylnt.us - super-position
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[16:19:14] <Konomi> http://q5sys.sh
[16:19:19] <Konomi> https://i.imgur.com
[16:19:35] <Konomi> maybe this could be a story ;p
[16:24:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> when the survey author questions its validity? poor thing would get torn apart.
[16:25:47] <Konomi> hmm I spose someone who questions their results would not fit in well with our other stories
[16:25:54] * Konomi ducks
[16:28:27] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
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[16:28:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> go for it if ya like. you lil beehive kicker you.
[16:29:30] <Konomi> I might tomorrow when I wake up ~
[16:29:46] <Konomi> 3:30am doesn't feel like a good time to write a story submission
[16:34:28] <Konomi> going to go try this sleeping thing I hear it's the rage ho ho
[16:37:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy
[16:43:30] <nick> 3:30am never feels like a good time to edit submissions, but sometimes it has to be done
[16:44:55] <nick> seems to be ok most of the time, just slower to get it done with the second guessing.
[16:44:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> you kidding? it's a great time. it gave us things like the alzheimers cock.
[16:45:09] <nick> lol
[16:51:46] <nick> sadly, i must get some real work done
[16:57:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> i must after lunch. still an hour until then though.
[17:08:24] <nick> lunch also sounds like a good idea
[17:08:28] <nick> better than work at any rate
[17:11:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> pew pew pew! api is doing AC submissions now.
[17:12:43] <nick> what is this for?
[17:13:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's going to wind up being a full fledged api so people can write mobile/command line/whatever clients for SN
[17:14:11] <nick> nice
[17:14:14] <nick> TheMightyBuzzard++
[17:14:14] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 114
[17:14:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> right now it's anonymous coward access only
[17:14:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> works for anything an AC can do now i think though.
[17:15:12] * nick throws his phone across the room because 1&1 refuse to stop trying to sell things to me
[17:15:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine's in a lake because people kept calling me while i was trying to fish about a decade ago.
[17:16:19] <nick> my business partner has even told them several times that when they keep calling us, it's just annoying and is our only problem with their service
[17:16:34] <nick> and they always start calling after we just spent money with them
[17:16:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> block the number?
[17:17:05] <nick> i dont pick it up, because i see it's a +1800 number
[17:17:24] <nick> as much as i like ya'll americans, i don't like it when you call me trying to sell me shit i don't want or need
[17:17:33] <nick> and can't give me answers to the questions i do have about services we already pay for
[17:17:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, we aren't real fond of it ourselves
[17:18:00] <nick> it's a whole different experience, being sold to on the phone by an american
[17:18:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh?
[17:18:11] <nick> against being sold to by someone in england, or india
[17:18:25] <nick> can't explain why, but the whole attitude is very different
[17:18:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i gotcha.
[17:18:42] <nick> it's a very 'american' way of doing it is the only way i can describe it
[17:19:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> sales calls are as different here as manners in general
[17:20:58] <nick> it's really strange to me, it's overly friendly at the same time as being deferential
[17:20:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> like brits can say things that'd be considered quite rude over here but if said in a matter of fact or questioning manner, it's all good over there.
[17:21:36] <nick> yup, that sounds about right. I feel rude on the few occasions i have taken the call, when it would just be business as normal if i was talking to someone based over there.
[17:21:44] <nick> here*
[17:22:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> can borrow a page from my book and just hang up on them if you like. if they call back bitching tell them a yank said you could.
[17:24:02] <nick> I want to say "we're all here to make a buck so lets drop the charade of you pretending to like me, be my friend, have any respect for me or interest in me and lets get the fuck on with it."
[17:27:00] <nick> the overly polite/friendly customer service style in the US always seems to fake to me, often just feel sorry for the person following orders, and we're just wasting everyones time with it.
[17:28:55] <nick> when in the US, at the typical fast-food outlets, the fake smiles and "have a great day" shit, it makes me feel like a little bit of their soul escapes every time they're forced to lie to me.
[17:30:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> what annoys me is when they want to chat. i don't know you, i'm not interested in talking about my day with you, let's conclude our business so you can fuck off.
[17:30:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ten Thousand NYC Pay Phones to Become Free Wi-Fi Hot Spots - http://sylnt.us - Why?-Fie!
[17:31:18] <nick> thats some of what i'm talking about, but it's one of those things that more often than not is 'company policy'
[17:31:23] <nick> they have to ask every customer how their day is
[17:33:04] <nick> Enterprise car rental here now talks about 'british something' and 'american customer service'
[17:36:26] <nick> "Enterprise Rent-A-Car reprises 'UK car hire with US customer service' campaign with new ads and Sky sponsorship deal"
[17:36:34] <nick> we do not need more of this.
[17:47:21] <exec> 05*** SN funding has changed from $2,326.82 to $2,691.50
[17:48:01] <Landon> wow, Awesome WM is really neat
[17:48:04] <Landon> I'm going to enjoy this
[17:48:07] <Landon> on my dev box at least
[17:48:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> tiling window manager, ain't it?
[17:48:50] <Landon> yep
[17:49:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don dig those too much. be great for a work box but i like the flexibility to move shat as i see fit.
[17:51:12] <Landon> yep, I use windows at home
[17:51:14] <Landon> gotta be pragmatic :)
[17:51:38] <Landon> running a jetbrains dev environment where I can just spin up my linux vm for running tests during dev, what do I need linux for
[17:51:46] <Landon> but at work, I'm not supposed to be playing games ;)
[17:53:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> i find i spend a lot less time goofing off on games if i have to reboot to play them. not that i spend less total time goofing off, mind you.
[17:56:05] <Landon> yeah well
[17:56:17] <Landon> I developed a competitive CLI freecell game..
[17:56:24] <Landon> weeks of productivity
[17:56:27] <Landon> can't escape cli games
[18:02:20] <exec> 05*** SN funding has changed from $2,691.50 to $2,800.16
[18:03:00] <mechanicjay> Landon: that sounds awesome
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[18:38:21] <Leebert> I've been on this telecon for 35 minutes and I think they've said: "The Cloud" about 400 times. Kill me now.
[18:39:42] <Leebert> The crazy thing: We're talking about USB removable storage policy.
[18:39:59] <nick> i can sell them lots of cloud for only $20,000
[18:40:05] <Leebert> Dude.
[18:40:11] <Leebert> You are WAY underpricing your cloud.
[18:40:22] <nick> too used to dealing with small business i guess
[18:40:34] <nick> i was going to say 5k
[18:41:12] <Leebert> You'll go bankrupt in government compliance.
[18:41:38] <nick> seriously though, i'm trying to think how cloud and usb storage policy can be in the same conversation
[18:42:00] <Leebert> Because we can make people not use USB sticks and use The Cloud instead.
[18:42:25] <Leebert> Because we admit that we have no idea all of the use cases, but we can clearly fix 90% of them with The Cloud.
[18:42:37] <nick> if it can't be fixed with the cloud
[18:42:42] <nick> then the other use cases are the problem
[18:42:43] <nick> !
[18:43:05] <nick> if you cant fix it with the cloud, you shouldn't be doing it
[18:43:57] <Leebert> I thought you were going to say that if it can't be fixed with the cloud then you should add in some XML.
[18:44:31] <nick> now this is something i am confused about where did all the XML talk come from
[18:44:44] <Leebert> :)
[18:45:07] <nick> my non-tech business partner asked me questions about everything going XML and i just looked at him blankly
[18:45:28] <nick> it's clearly been going around the office at one of his clients
[18:45:34] <Leebert> They just asked me explicitly for input and I politely declined and said I'd follow up.
[18:45:49] <Leebert> Too much "you're full of crap" to organize and convey politely on the spot.
[18:46:26] <nick> i know the feeling
[18:46:43] <nick> it's usually much better to write your reply dismissing everything that was said previously
[18:46:49] <nick> than try and add it on at the end of the conference
[18:46:58] <Leebert> I communicate better in writing anyhow.
[18:47:09] <Leebert> Crazy for a tech guy who uses IRC, I know. But true.
[18:47:51] <nick> i had to meet with a possible new client yesterday, was too early for me so i didn't do a very good job at 'selling'
[18:48:16] <nick> so i'm hopefully going to counter that with a quality written specification and cover letter
[18:49:02] <Leebert> Yep.
[18:49:38] <Leebert> what kind of business do you run?
[18:50:36] <nick> do all sorts of shit, jack of all trades really. but the main business is physical security systems
[18:50:57] <Leebert> Huh. Funny you say that; I'm shaking my head at Lenel at this very moment.
[18:51:34] <nick> i shake my head at the whole industry most days
[18:52:02] <Leebert> Yes.
[18:52:09] <nick> too honest and straight talking to be in this game.
[18:52:37] <Leebert> I am only peripherally involved, but it's clear that there's a lot of selling of crappy cool sounding solutions to people who don't understand the underlying technology.
[18:52:46] <nick> yup
[18:52:50] <Leebert> i.e., par for the course in technology sales. :)
[18:53:02] <nick> and because i wont do that, i dont make the big $$$$$$
[18:53:21] <Leebert> Who sells an embedded device managed by HTTPS that doesn't let you actually install an SSL certificate?
[18:53:25] <Leebert> *cough*Lenel*cough*
[18:53:37] <nick> i go the wrong way, i try and sell the best which puts the costs up but doesnt help my margins
[18:53:55] <nick> heh
[18:54:33] <Leebert> AND the kicker is: The screen is there, but the options are disabled. I was just shaking my head because I got the explanation back that they were pondering adding that functionality, decided not to, and either forgot (or decided not to) remove the option page for it.
[18:55:41] <nick> does not surprise me
[18:56:04] <Leebert> I'm in the wrong business. I really need to get into crime.
[18:56:06] <nick> i had some fun recently trying out a CCTV DVR with 'facial recognition'
[18:56:54] <nick> the first face it saw looked something like: http://rocketrentals.co.uk
[18:56:55] <Leebert> The quotes seem to indicate that it's less than production ready? :)
[18:57:41] <nick> i didn't intend to use it, so it being useless wasn't a problem, but it did make me laugh
[18:58:09] <mechanicjay> ...I have a meeting at 1pm to day with two folks names Crystal and Raven later today.
[18:58:31] <nick> mechanicjay getting into the adult entertainment industry?
[18:59:55] <Leebert> That's an interesting face.
[18:59:59] <mechanicjay> I'm glad you said that, I though I was the only one. I'm still firmly planted in Higher-Ed -- but I fell like I causally tell my wife about my "meeting with Crystal and Raven after lunch"
[19:00:23] <mechanicjay> s/casually/can't casually/
[19:00:49] <nick> it was either adult entertainment or pro-wrestling...
[19:01:10] <mechanicjay> "No really, honey, they just needed an application update!"
[19:02:20] <nick> i'm assuming thats their first names?
[19:03:01] <nick> Raven seems like a very unusual choice of name to give your child.
[19:04:28] <nick> Crystal just makes me think of the Boondocks episode
[19:09:13] <mechanicjay> Yeah, first names. Their last names are mostly fine.
[19:12:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - EFF Offers Free Certificate Authority to Dramatically Increase Encrypted Internet Traffic - http://sylnt.us - free-market
[19:46:15] <nick> some insightful comments already
[20:02:31] <crutchy> coffee++
[20:02:31] <Bender> karma - coffee: 944
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[21:37:58] <nick> think its going to be time for a new GPU soon
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[23:27:05] <mechanicjay> wugh, just got a truly difficult work project -- as in I'm not sure how to actually complete it. "Here, modernize this legacy code to the current coding standards (basically a complete rewrite on top of an existing database) and incorporate the user wish list while you're at it. Target is January"
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[23:34:42] <silverly> jesus christ have mercy on you, mechanicjay
[23:34:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> mechanicjay, niiiice. you did tell them omgwtfbbq, yes?
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[23:38:34] <mechanicjay> Thankfully it's a small app, only a couple thousand lines of code. Still, I think I might need to push back on this a bit.
[23:38:38] <mechanicjay> one word: frames
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[23:43:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> phew
[23:43:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, food time for me