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[23:43:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, food time for me
[23:43:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> phew
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[23:38:38] <mechanicjay> one word: frames
[23:38:34] <mechanicjay> Thankfully it's a small app, only a couple thousand lines of code. Still, I think I might need to push back on this a bit.
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[23:34:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> mechanicjay, niiiice. you did tell them omgwtfbbq, yes?
[23:34:42] <silverly> jesus christ have mercy on you, mechanicjay
[23:31:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Whatsapp Enables End-to-End Encryption, CEO Donates $1M to FreeBSD - http://sylnt.us - too-good-to-be-true
[23:27:05] <mechanicjay> wugh, just got a truly difficult work project -- as in I'm not sure how to actually complete it. "Here, modernize this legacy code to the current coding standards (basically a complete rewrite on top of an existing database) and incorporate the user wish list while you're at it. Target is January"
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[21:37:58] <nick> think its going to be time for a new GPU soon
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[20:02:31] <Bender> karma - coffee: 944
[20:02:31] <crutchy> coffee++
[19:46:15] <nick> some insightful comments already
[19:12:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - EFF Offers Free Certificate Authority to Dramatically Increase Encrypted Internet Traffic - http://sylnt.us - free-market
[19:09:13] <mechanicjay> Yeah, first names. Their last names are mostly fine.
[19:04:28] <nick> Crystal just makes me think of the Boondocks episode
[19:03:01] <nick> Raven seems like a very unusual choice of name to give your child.
[19:02:20] <nick> i'm assuming thats their first names?
[19:01:10] <mechanicjay> "No really, honey, they just needed an application update!"
[19:00:49] <nick> it was either adult entertainment or pro-wrestling...
[19:00:23] <mechanicjay> s/casually/can't casually/
[18:59:59] <mechanicjay> I'm glad you said that, I though I was the only one. I'm still firmly planted in Higher-Ed -- but I fell like I causally tell my wife about my "meeting with Crystal and Raven after lunch"
[18:59:55] <Leebert> That's an interesting face.
[18:58:31] <nick> mechanicjay getting into the adult entertainment industry?
[18:58:09] <mechanicjay> ...I have a meeting at 1pm to day with two folks names Crystal and Raven later today.
[18:57:41] <nick> i didn't intend to use it, so it being useless wasn't a problem, but it did make me laugh
[18:56:55] <Leebert> The quotes seem to indicate that it's less than production ready? :)
[18:56:54] <nick> the first face it saw looked something like: http://rocketrentals.co.uk
[18:56:06] <nick> i had some fun recently trying out a CCTV DVR with 'facial recognition'
[18:56:04] <Leebert> I'm in the wrong business. I really need to get into crime.
[18:55:41] <nick> does not surprise me
[18:54:33] <Leebert> AND the kicker is: The screen is there, but the options are disabled. I was just shaking my head because I got the explanation back that they were pondering adding that functionality, decided not to, and either forgot (or decided not to) remove the option page for it.
[18:53:55] <nick> heh
[18:53:37] <nick> i go the wrong way, i try and sell the best which puts the costs up but doesnt help my margins
[18:53:25] <Leebert> *cough*Lenel*cough*
[18:53:21] <Leebert> Who sells an embedded device managed by HTTPS that doesn't let you actually install an SSL certificate?
[18:53:02] <nick> and because i wont do that, i dont make the big $$$$$$
[18:52:50] <Leebert> i.e., par for the course in technology sales. :)
[18:52:46] <nick> yup
[18:52:37] <Leebert> I am only peripherally involved, but it's clear that there's a lot of selling of crappy cool sounding solutions to people who don't understand the underlying technology.
[18:52:09] <nick> too honest and straight talking to be in this game.
[18:52:02] <Leebert> Yes.
[18:51:34] <nick> i shake my head at the whole industry most days
[18:50:57] <Leebert> Huh. Funny you say that; I'm shaking my head at Lenel at this very moment.
[18:50:36] <nick> do all sorts of shit, jack of all trades really. but the main business is physical security systems
[18:49:38] <Leebert> what kind of business do you run?
[18:49:02] <Leebert> Yep.
[18:48:16] <nick> so i'm hopefully going to counter that with a quality written specification and cover letter
[18:47:51] <nick> i had to meet with a possible new client yesterday, was too early for me so i didn't do a very good job at 'selling'
[18:47:09] <Leebert> Crazy for a tech guy who uses IRC, I know. But true.
[18:46:58] <Leebert> I communicate better in writing anyhow.
[18:46:49] <nick> than try and add it on at the end of the conference
[18:46:43] <nick> it's usually much better to write your reply dismissing everything that was said previously
[18:46:26] <nick> i know the feeling
[18:45:49] <Leebert> Too much "you're full of crap" to organize and convey politely on the spot.
[18:45:34] <Leebert> They just asked me explicitly for input and I politely declined and said I'd follow up.
[18:45:28] <nick> it's clearly been going around the office at one of his clients
[18:45:07] <nick> my non-tech business partner asked me questions about everything going XML and i just looked at him blankly
[18:44:44] <Leebert> :)
[18:44:31] <nick> now this is something i am confused about where did all the XML talk come from
[18:43:57] <Leebert> I thought you were going to say that if it can't be fixed with the cloud then you should add in some XML.
[18:43:05] <nick> if you cant fix it with the cloud, you shouldn't be doing it
[18:42:43] <nick> !
[18:42:42] <nick> then the other use cases are the problem
[18:42:37] <nick> if it can't be fixed with the cloud
[18:42:25] <Leebert> Because we admit that we have no idea all of the use cases, but we can clearly fix 90% of them with The Cloud.
[18:42:00] <Leebert> Because we can make people not use USB sticks and use The Cloud instead.
[18:41:38] <nick> seriously though, i'm trying to think how cloud and usb storage policy can be in the same conversation
[18:41:12] <Leebert> You'll go bankrupt in government compliance.
[18:40:34] <nick> i was going to say 5k
[18:40:22] <nick> too used to dealing with small business i guess
[18:40:11] <Leebert> You are WAY underpricing your cloud.
[18:40:05] <Leebert> Dude.
[18:39:59] <nick> i can sell them lots of cloud for only $20,000
[18:39:42] <Leebert> The crazy thing: We're talking about USB removable storage policy.
[18:38:21] <Leebert> I've been on this telecon for 35 minutes and I think they've said: "The Cloud" about 400 times. Kill me now.
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[18:20:39] <Bialykot> hii ppl
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[18:03:00] <mechanicjay> Landon: that sounds awesome
[18:02:20] <exec> 05*** SN funding has changed from $2,691.50 to $2,800.16
[17:56:27] <Landon> can't escape cli games
[17:56:24] <Landon> weeks of productivity
[17:56:17] <Landon> I developed a competitive CLI freecell game..
[17:56:05] <Landon> yeah well
[17:53:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> i find i spend a lot less time goofing off on games if i have to reboot to play them. not that i spend less total time goofing off, mind you.
[17:51:46] <Landon> but at work, I'm not supposed to be playing games ;)
[17:51:38] <Landon> running a jetbrains dev environment where I can just spin up my linux vm for running tests during dev, what do I need linux for
[17:51:14] <Landon> gotta be pragmatic :)
[17:51:12] <Landon> yep, I use windows at home
[17:49:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don dig those too much. be great for a work box but i like the flexibility to move shat as i see fit.
[17:48:50] <Landon> yep
[17:48:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> tiling window manager, ain't it?
[17:48:07] <Landon> on my dev box at least
[17:48:04] <Landon> I'm going to enjoy this
[17:48:01] <Landon> wow, Awesome WM is really neat
[17:47:21] <exec> 05*** SN funding has changed from $2,326.82 to $2,691.50
[17:36:34] <nick> we do not need more of this.
[17:36:26] <nick> "Enterprise Rent-A-Car reprises 'UK car hire with US customer service' campaign with new ads and Sky sponsorship deal"
[17:33:04] <nick> Enterprise car rental here now talks about 'british something' and 'american customer service'
[17:31:23] <nick> they have to ask every customer how their day is
[17:31:18] <nick> thats some of what i'm talking about, but it's one of those things that more often than not is 'company policy'
[17:30:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ten Thousand NYC Pay Phones to Become Free Wi-Fi Hot Spots - http://sylnt.us - Why?-Fie!
[17:30:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> what annoys me is when they want to chat. i don't know you, i'm not interested in talking about my day with you, let's conclude our business so you can fuck off.
[17:28:55] <nick> when in the US, at the typical fast-food outlets, the fake smiles and "have a great day" shit, it makes me feel like a little bit of their soul escapes every time they're forced to lie to me.
[17:27:00] <nick> the overly polite/friendly customer service style in the US always seems to fake to me, often just feel sorry for the person following orders, and we're just wasting everyones time with it.
[17:24:02] <nick> I want to say "we're all here to make a buck so lets drop the charade of you pretending to like me, be my friend, have any respect for me or interest in me and lets get the fuck on with it."
[17:22:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> can borrow a page from my book and just hang up on them if you like. if they call back bitching tell them a yank said you could.
[17:21:44] <nick> here*
[17:21:36] <nick> yup, that sounds about right. I feel rude on the few occasions i have taken the call, when it would just be business as normal if i was talking to someone based over there.
[17:20:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> like brits can say things that'd be considered quite rude over here but if said in a matter of fact or questioning manner, it's all good over there.
[17:20:58] <nick> it's really strange to me, it's overly friendly at the same time as being deferential
[17:19:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> sales calls are as different here as manners in general
[17:18:42] <nick> it's a very 'american' way of doing it is the only way i can describe it
[17:18:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i gotcha.
[17:18:25] <nick> can't explain why, but the whole attitude is very different
[17:18:11] <nick> against being sold to by someone in england, or india
[17:18:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh?
[17:18:00] <nick> it's a whole different experience, being sold to on the phone by an american
[17:17:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, we aren't real fond of it ourselves
[17:17:33] <nick> and can't give me answers to the questions i do have about services we already pay for
[17:17:24] <nick> as much as i like ya'll americans, i don't like it when you call me trying to sell me shit i don't want or need
[17:17:05] <nick> i dont pick it up, because i see it's a +1800 number
[17:16:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> block the number?
[17:16:34] <nick> and they always start calling after we just spent money with them
[17:16:19] <nick> my business partner has even told them several times that when they keep calling us, it's just annoying and is our only problem with their service
[17:15:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine's in a lake because people kept calling me while i was trying to fish about a decade ago.
[17:15:12] * nick throws his phone across the room because 1&1 refuse to stop trying to sell things to me
[17:14:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> works for anything an AC can do now i think though.
[17:14:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> right now it's anonymous coward access only
[17:14:14] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 114
[17:14:14] <nick> TheMightyBuzzard++
[17:14:11] <nick> nice
[17:13:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's going to wind up being a full fledged api so people can write mobile/command line/whatever clients for SN
[17:12:43] <nick> what is this for?
[17:11:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> pew pew pew! api is doing AC submissions now.
[17:08:28] <nick> better than work at any rate
[17:08:24] <nick> lunch also sounds like a good idea
[16:57:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> i must after lunch. still an hour until then though.
[16:51:46] <nick> sadly, i must get some real work done
[16:45:09] <nick> lol
[16:44:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> you kidding? it's a great time. it gave us things like the alzheimers cock.
[16:44:55] <nick> seems to be ok most of the time, just slower to get it done with the second guessing.
[16:43:30] <nick> 3:30am never feels like a good time to edit submissions, but sometimes it has to be done
[16:37:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy
[16:34:28] <Konomi> going to go try this sleeping thing I hear it's the rage ho ho
[16:29:46] <Konomi> 3:30am doesn't feel like a good time to write a story submission
[16:29:30] <Konomi> I might tomorrow when I wake up ~
[16:28:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> go for it if ya like. you lil beehive kicker you.
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[16:28:27] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[16:25:54] * Konomi ducks
[16:25:47] <Konomi> hmm I spose someone who questions their results would not fit in well with our other stories
[16:24:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> when the survey author questions its validity? poor thing would get torn apart.
[16:19:35] <Konomi> maybe this could be a story ;p
[16:19:19] <Konomi> https://i.imgur.com
[16:19:14] <Konomi> http://q5sys.sh
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[16:01:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Quantum Computer Runs Simon's Algorithm - http://sylnt.us - super-position
[15:59:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> think ima just return the entire sub data along with the subid
[15:55:24] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: 👍 for success, 💩 for failure
[15:55:08] <Konomi> and that's windows so it'sbeen probably over 5 hard drives since then
[15:54:53] <Konomi> might be earlier though it's a file time stamp so
[15:54:44] <Konomi> 2007
[15:54:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, whadda we want returned on successful submission of a story for the api? what'd i return for successful comment submission?
[15:54:40] <Konomi> according to the time stamp
[15:54:24] * chromas never witnessed it. Must've not hit the site that day
[15:53:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i actually remember that
[15:53:08] <Konomi> you don't wanna even know how old that screenshot is ;p
[15:52:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> i find no flaw in your logic
[15:52:59] <Konomi> http://i3.minus.com
[15:51:54] <chromas> s/are/add/
[15:51:37] <chromas> Are a green stripe. Stripes make cars go faster so it should work for the site too
[15:50:46] <chromas> 😁
[15:50:44] <Konomi> hehe
[15:50:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> ... thas our default
[15:50:00] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: we just need one that's got xmas colors like red and white
[15:49:25] * chromas bobs to music
[15:49:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, seriously, themes are wicked easy to create.
[15:49:20] <Konomi> can we get a omg ponies theme?
[15:48:45] <Konomi> jingle bells code released web site suddenly exploded
[15:48:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, get on that then.
[15:48:23] <chromas> Need an xmas theme. Maybe js snowflakes
[15:48:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. hard to tell if holidays mean we have more time or less to get work done.
[15:47:05] <paulej72> sounds good to me. I would not be adverse to having it be a 15-01 release due to the holidays
[15:35:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> On the up side, I think I'll go ahead and pull request the api too. it's done enough for AC use after I get AC submissions working.
[15:33:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, Looks like we're going to run a couple weeks late this release. Still work to do and needs time on dev for testing.
[15:26:16] <mechanicjay> paulej72: :)
[15:15:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> more bloody filter work found thanks to api work.
[15:14:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> appears that we use fixStory and balanceTags on input rather than rendering. this doth bother me.
[15:12:55] * TheMightyBuzzard grumbles
[15:11:23] <paulej72> much better on the working hours :)
[15:11:12] <paulej72> what about a 6 to 9 shift or 4-7,
[15:11:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> perks of my self-employed self: work only when necessary. perils: work whenever necessary.
[15:08:10] <mechanicjay> I'd prefer to do a 9-6 shift, but given traffic and bus schedules, 7-4 is what I'm doing to minimize my travel time.
[15:07:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's okay then. i was okay to code by six but leaving the house is another story entirely.
[15:06:07] <mechanicjay> caught the 6:00 bus to be at my desk at 7:00.
[15:05:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 943
[15:05:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[15:05:20] <mechanicjay> :) Yeah
[15:05:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> you on pacific time or something?
[15:04:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> mechanicjay, early? i been up for four hours, coding for 3.
[15:04:39] <Bender> karma - coffee: 942
[15:04:39] <mechanicjay> coffee++
[15:04:01] <mechanicjay> Bleargh -- early.
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[14:43:36] <Konomi> applause.gif goes here
[14:42:53] <|> ^ 03SN comment by Anonymous Coward
[14:42:52] <Konomi> https://soylentnews.org
[14:42:50] <Konomi> wow...
[14:40:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - UK Crowd Funding Moon Landing - http://sylnt.us - croud-fun-thing
[14:37:04] <Konomi> nice reply to that post I linked to earlier
[14:36:58] <Konomi> "Don't worry, he's not. Some people falsely equate embracing "Don't be a dick" as a moral standard with weakness and over-sensitivity. Also, GP seems to be equating not discriminating against people based on inborn traits like gender identity, race, and sexual orientation with being unwilling to criticize stupid ideas or shoddy work for being stupid and shoddy."
[14:30:21] <Konomi> projects could do with attention too."
[14:30:20] <Konomi> dgit is at the top of my Debian queue, but some of my GNU and SGO
[14:30:20] <Konomi> "I now hope to spend more of my free software time doing programming.
[14:30:17] <paulej72> Is that the guy that plays Gandolf or the one who directed the movies :)
[14:30:06] <Konomi> not debian ;p
[14:30:03] <Konomi> from the tech committee
[14:29:18] <ar> Ian Jackson resigned from Debian
[14:25:46] <Konomi> yup
[14:24:53] <Konomi> wasn't this the guy pushing for the vote in the article I just talked about?
[14:24:38] <|> ^ 03[Phoronix] Ian Jackson Resigns From The Debian Technical Committee
[14:24:37] <Konomi> http://www.phoronix.com
[14:24:30] <paulej72> but by design it is only for slackers
[14:24:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> just go to slackware. it deserves the love.
[14:22:44] <paulej72> I wonder how long I can stay on RHEL 6 clones
[14:21:28] <Konomi> xD
[14:21:27] <Konomi> article heading change: To -> to
[14:20:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> edited maybe?
[14:20:49] <Konomi> hmm why did that show up twice?
[14:20:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Debian General Resolution to Prevent Init System Coupling Fails to Pass - http://sylnt.us - I-hope-we-don't-regret-this
[14:19:35] <Konomi> gamergate was still born due to origins
[14:18:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> much like #GamerGate, the valid message is being overshadowed by asshats
[14:17:32] * Konomi nods
[14:17:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> also showed us domestic terrorism is fine as long as the victim is black
[14:15:15] <|> ^ 03How Ferguson showed us the truth about police - YouTube
[14:15:15] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[14:09:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[14:09:20] <Konomi> cause it works for every file on a line and when you try to get that into a single line spaces and special characters become a freaking nightmare
[14:08:38] <Konomi> you just cna't do that with find
[14:08:28] <Konomi> reason I found this is I wnated to recursively get every path of a file and pass it as a single call to a process
[14:07:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> would help if you need to do something beyond the scope of -exec
[14:06:47] <Konomi> just shove the result into an array
[14:06:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[14:06:40] <Konomi> you can combine them with a for loop for find like behaviour
[14:06:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, the syntax is kinda fookin weird
[14:06:28] <Konomi> globs are much nicer
[14:06:18] <Konomi> I don't like find
[14:06:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> take a lot to get me to not use find though. i'm actually good at it.
[14:05:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. one of these days i shall learn the fu of it. prolly not today though.
[14:05:26] <Konomi> will list recursively and escaped every single file in pwd
[14:05:09] <Konomi> shopt -s globstar nullglob && echo ./**/* ; shopt -u globstar nullglob
[14:04:27] <Konomi> example
[14:04:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm....
[14:04:10] <|> ^ 03Globstar: New Bash Globbing Option | Linux Journal
[14:04:09] <Konomi> http://www.linuxjournal.com
[14:04:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh?
[14:04:04] <Konomi> no more crappy echo * and hope it doesn't explode in my face
[14:03:56] <Konomi> no more crappy find .
[14:03:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> been meaning to read up on that
[14:03:38] <Konomi> I recently discovered the joys of ** with globstar in shopt
[14:03:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i din know where you kept the files so i left the globbing for the loop to you
[14:02:59] <Konomi> just depends how much you like hurting yourself
[14:02:51] <Konomi> and you do know anything can be a bash one liner
[14:02:44] <Konomi> you didn't define file at all
[14:02:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a bash one liner
[14:01:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> mpg123 $file && rm $file
[14:01:29] <Konomi> I have an audio player with playlist I think scripts may be a little overboard ;p
[14:01:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> script it
[14:01:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh
[14:01:01] <Konomi> and my OCD is going to make sure I listen to them all at least once before I purge them from my flying media
[14:00:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dig that they're cute yet evil. it's a good metaphor for many things in life.
[14:00:42] <Konomi> god I hate my OCD I have these old game music files
[13:59:56] <Konomi> like bankers and your home morgage
[13:59:25] <Konomi> drop bears have no mercy
[13:59:13] <Konomi> and the heat would make one quite inconvienant
[13:59:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, dunno if it works with drop bears
[13:58:57] <Konomi> though we lack bears in australia
[13:58:53] <Konomi> hmm that does sound like an advantage
[13:58:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless grizzly adams lied to me anyway
[13:58:38] <Konomi> drama and manafactured controversy go go go
[13:58:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> beards always help. they're awesome and manly and make bears be your friend instead of try to eat you.
[13:58:20] <|> ^ 03Wiki: Attention economy
[13:58:19] <Konomi> https://en.wikipedia.org
[13:57:59] <Konomi> the beard thing didn't help!
[13:57:51] <Konomi> it was disturbing
[13:57:49] <Konomi> I mentally visualised that
[13:57:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck skype
[13:57:35] <Konomi> not really \o/
[13:57:32] <Konomi> and so do a lot of programs now soooooo
[13:57:26] <Konomi> skype requires it
[13:57:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> nobody made you use pulseaudio. you could uninstall it and use alsa/jack/etc...
[13:57:08] <Konomi> I'm more worried it's a sign the whole drama/attention whoring econemy has finally spread to the technical community
[13:56:30] <Konomi> just sick of the whole systemd thing I give it a year it will be a non issue just like pulseaudio was
[13:55:59] <Konomi> hehe
[13:55:48] <Konomi> glue it to the back of your neck so people stirke up a conversation with the back of your head that way you can use your computer more
[13:55:46] <AndyTheAbsurd> Konomi: I find dripping sarcasm and mocking to be funny. I *may* have a warped sense of humor.
[13:54:49] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: when you do cut off the beard of awesome, you should auction it off on soylent
[13:54:28] <Konomi> tbh I never thought any of those were funny I was just going for dripping sarcasm with a bit of mocking *shrugs*
[13:53:35] <Konomi> AndyTheAbsurd: creepy ;p
[13:53:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> speaking of, i should prolly fill out my obamacare exemption paperwork so i don't have to shoot any IRS guys this year.
[13:53:13] <Konomi> wish I could go that route will be cheaper than chocolate soon ;p
[13:52:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, my brain's got issues like that if i don't take my meds. yay drugs!
[13:52:05] <Konomi> it does make you feel pretty miserable though
[13:51:57] <Konomi> I don't tend to explode like the stereotype
[13:51:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> and good running shoes in case it doesn't work.
[13:51:20] <Konomi> hmm probably sound advice
[13:51:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> like the water meter reader carrying doggy treats, guys with a SO should always have chocolate handy.
[13:50:04] <Konomi> ;p
[13:49:52] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[13:49:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> i've been around women for ~40 years now. this is not breaking news.
[13:48:22] <Konomi> seriously mood swings suck and it's the best fix most of the time x.x
[13:48:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> saw a story on it on phys.org i think the other day
[13:47:57] <Konomi> nuuu I need chocolate >.<
[13:47:49] <|> ^ 03Wiki: Dancing Plague of 1518
[13:47:49] <ar> https://en.wikipedia.org
[13:47:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> supply is going down because of diseases to the plants and demand is increasing in china.
[13:47:36] <Konomi> they already said my caffeine prices would increase from it!
[13:47:26] <Konomi> global warming ;_; ?
[13:47:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> do it now, prices are going to go up.
[13:46:52] <Konomi> I think I might start buying some bars of chocolate for motivation though
[13:46:28] <Konomi> and leave the code in a state that lets me come back to it I burn out easily
[13:46:17] <Konomi> I try to take long breaks
[13:46:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, me either. i'm doing so purely to not be bored at this point.
[13:45:54] <Konomi> I've been mostly doing file cleaning as of late
[13:45:39] <Konomi> I can't find the motivation to code lately
[13:45:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> been meaning to go in and fix them so the logs are more readable.
[13:44:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> of which we have MANY by the way
[13:44:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> only throws warnings if you try to use it in a substitution for the most part.
[13:44:19] <Konomi> was that before or after you took a chainsaw to it?
[13:44:12] <Konomi> that is kind of an achivement in itself
[13:43:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> slash uses strict and warnings on everything surprisingly
[13:43:37] * Konomi runs for it
[13:43:34] <Konomi> you probably don't have strict or warnings on in perl at all you work on slashcode after all
[13:43:14] <Konomi> no no wait
[13:43:06] <AndyTheAbsurd> https://lofn.hardison.net updated
[13:43:01] <AndyTheAbsurd> in here for like 5 minutes this morning and I've already updated my quotes.txt file twice.
[13:42:22] <Konomi> I'm pretty sure undef would throw an error too if you tried to use it in a string
[13:42:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh
[13:42:05] <Konomi> and my OCD just won't let that stand
[13:42:00] <Konomi> though you'd have a double space
[13:41:51] <Konomi> hmm I guess it still works
[13:41:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> nobody ever said $deity had to return other than undef
[13:41:24] <Bender> karma - ciri: -23
[13:41:24] <Konomi> ciri--
[13:41:20] <ciri> not sure Konomi
[13:41:19] <Konomi> where is my null exception?
[13:41:13] <Konomi> I feel offended you implied everyone has some sort of god there
[13:40:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, being annoyed is everyone's $deity-given right.
[13:40:01] <Konomi> "Now I'm going to have to switch distros again." <- is it bad I thought "Good fuck off so I don't have to hear your moaning anymore"?
[13:39:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> tis no fscking wonder we're not making money on the store if WE HAVE NO LINKS TO IT
[13:38:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas fine, ghostbusters slash is just a red sharpie away.
[13:38:24] <Konomi> http://boingboing.net
[13:38:10] <Konomi> I'll pin a SJW badge to it while I am at it
[13:38:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> argh, we don't have a link to the store on the front page
[13:37:49] <Konomi> they need a mascot then I can have the tux penguin making out with it to invoke extra rage
[13:37:27] <Konomi> I need a systemd scarf
[13:36:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> for next winter, yep
[13:36:32] <Konomi> we could get you an MLP scarf
[13:36:21] <AndyTheAbsurd> clearly a Soylent News scarf should be added to the store.
[13:36:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus i almost got it to ZZ Top length and every guy should do that once in their life.
[13:35:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but mine aren't as cool as tom baker's
[13:35:00] <Konomi> you do know we have these things called scarfs ;p
[13:34:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> speaking of manly things, i wish winter would get over. getting kind of tired of this beard but it keeps my face n neck warm.
[13:33:24] <Konomi> lol
[13:33:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, well in that case, :-PbPbPb
[13:32:38] <Konomi> yes I was ;p
[13:32:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> was referring to lack of quotes around the word "guys" indicating you were talking about the word and not about actual guys
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[13:32:20] <Konomi> the word is genderless not the reference to that it entails
[13:31:36] <Konomi> see point 2
[13:31:35] <|> ^ 03Genderless - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
[13:31:34] <Konomi> http://www.merriam-webster.com
[13:31:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> intentional misunderstandings are fun
[13:30:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> genderless
[13:30:47] <Konomi> you're not what?
[13:30:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, i'm not. i just checked.
[13:30:16] <crutchy> nod
[13:30:11] <Konomi> guys is almost genderless these days ;p
[13:30:04] <|> ^ 03Private Paste - Pastie
[13:30:03] <ar> http://pastie.org
[13:29:59] <crutchy> and girl :D
[13:29:55] <Konomi> see you
[13:29:47] <crutchy> thanks for the chat guys
[13:29:41] <crutchy> must be bed time for me
[13:28:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, could be him slipping into irc rules for english
[13:28:01] <Konomi> hmm can't be the lack of full stops and capital letters
[13:27:28] <Konomi> was that you crutchy ;p
[13:27:22] <Konomi> lol the anonymous reply
[13:26:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't count how many times this has been part of a conversation I've had. Them: I'm offended by <blah> that you (said|did)! Me: So?
[13:26:05] <crutchy> i added my 2c :d
[13:25:45] <Konomi> AC is also delusional beyond all belief though ;p
[13:24:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> AC ain't wrong though. people are too fucking likely to get offended and think that being offended matters nowadays.
[13:24:51] <ar> the bot exploded
[13:24:46] <ar> huh
[13:24:33] <|> ^ 03[systemd-devel] Cannot use systemctl after heavy swapping pre { white-space: pre-wrap; /* css-2.1, curent FF, Opera, Safari */ } [systemd-devel] Cannot use systemctl after heavy swapping Jan Janssen medhefgo at web.de Fri Nov 14 06:20:23 PST 2014 Previous message: [systemd-devel] systemd DBus services exit when they haveclients Next message: [systemd-devel] Cannot use
[13:24:33] <ar> http://lists.freedesktop.org
[13:23:13] <Konomi> some people really are disturbing
[13:23:08] <|> ^ 03SN comment by Anonymous Coward
[13:23:07] <Konomi> https://soylentnews.org
[13:22:49] <crutchy> nah its pretty basic
[13:22:38] <chromas> We need a topology map of crutchy's lan: D
[13:22:29] <crutchy> webserver is in a dmz
[13:22:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh, now it makes sense
[13:22:15] <crutchy> bot isn't running on same machine sorry
[13:21:53] <crutchy> its a bit compricated, but i like the staying open socket idea
[13:21:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> why dod you have to go through nat then?
[13:21:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeesh
[13:21:11] <crutchy> yup
[13:21:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're on the same machine?
[13:20:56] <crutchy> or threads
[13:20:40] <crutchy> the bot and browser requests are already different apache processes
[13:20:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> you'd need a way to communicate from apache to your new daemon or you'd need to set up a baby web daemon as part of the listener daemon though.
[13:20:03] <crutchy> uses request/response files to sync
[13:19:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmm
[13:19:19] <crutchy> the two request handlers are fairly seperate anyway
[13:19:00] <crutchy> that would be ok
[13:18:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> needs to be a separate process from apache though
[13:18:33] <crutchy> *ah
[13:18:28] <crutchy> an
[13:18:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> it stays connected instead of having to poll regularly
[13:18:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, the bot connects to the server and can then have notifications pushed back at it
[13:16:20] <crutchy> the closed nat is the tricky bit
[13:16:00] <crutchy> if the bot script had direct access to a port (not necessarily 80) it could just have its own listener
[13:14:45] <crutchy> how does the push notification get through a nat with no ports forwarded?
[13:14:20] <chromas> The bot gets the message pushed to it instead of having to poll for requests
[13:13:41] <crutchy> is that an apache thing?
[13:13:28] <crutchy> what are push notifications?
[13:06:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't use http requests between bot and browser, use a proper generic socket and you can use push notifications.
[13:03:59] <crutchy> the httpd script serves requests from the browser and the bot
[13:03:13] <chromas> Browser request -> httpd -> nat -> bot
[13:03:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> speaking of apis, i may work on mine some today. get story submissions working possibly.
[13:02:13] <chromas> Poke through one nat and have a proxy script on the httpd 😁
[13:01:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> funkay
[13:00:42] <crutchy> bot -> nat (no ports forwarded) -> webserver <- nat (port 80 forwarded) <- browser request
[13:00:40] <crutchy> bit of a funky data flow:
[12:58:06] <crutchy> i'll crank it up to 1 sec or 0.5 sec later
[12:57:42] <crutchy> bit slow cos its throttled for testing at 8 sec
[12:57:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:56:57] <crutchy> or some shit
[12:56:55] <crutchy> kinda like dcc over http
[12:56:07] <crutchy> http://irciv.us.to
[12:55:54] <crutchy> that link wasn't a link was it
[12:55:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> nifty
[12:55:33] <crutchy> ^ working on my own little api, tmb
[12:55:18] <crutchy> irciv.us.to/?exec&username=crutchy&token=test&data=test
[12:53:19] * SirFinkus eyes ciri
[12:53:15] <SirFinkus> I can think of a bot I'd like to throttle
[12:51:22] <crutchy> came up with a way to throttle it
[12:50:55] <crutchy> bot was requesting continuously pretty much
[12:49:19] <Bender> karma - systemmaxfilesize: 1
[12:49:19] <Konomi> SystemMaxFileSize++
[12:48:17] <Konomi> 45gb that's impressive
[12:40:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 941
[12:40:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++ #cup 2
[12:38:08] <Bender> karma - coffee: 940
[12:38:08] <crutchy> coffee++
[12:30:14] <crutchy> stupid bot :/
[12:29:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> ?!
[12:29:46] <crutchy> wholly carp. my webserver error log went from 1.5 mb to 45 gb in about 10 mins
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[12:27:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, reboot and coffee refill time
[12:25:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> or possibly koreans
[12:25:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> silly japanese people
[12:24:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like a kitty
[12:24:47] <Konomi> guess which mobo brand I will not be buying in the future....
[12:24:14] <Konomi> go BIOS puppy go go
[12:24:11] <Konomi> http://www.overclock3d.net
[12:23:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[12:23:29] <Konomi> there are no words
[12:23:21] <Konomi> http://www.overclock3d.net
[12:22:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> hack yer way around that, bitches
[12:22:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i really liked being able to move a jumper and make the bios read only in hardware.
[12:21:39] <Konomi> I remember an earlier uefi demo of a web browser inside it
[12:21:08] <Konomi> the attack surface is far more scary to me than close source bioses tbh ;p
[12:20:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya. not looking forward to the eventual move to UEFI.
[12:19:02] <Konomi> thankfully I think most modern OSes take over the hardware soon as they start posting
[12:18:25] <Konomi> please be careful as to not blow too close to my bios
[12:18:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine takes something like 8-10 seconds to post all the way through. about five to give me a gui login prompt after that.
[12:17:30] <Konomi> it also has gammar errors ;_;
[12:17:23] <Konomi> then again if you press a mash of buttons as you enter my bios you can freeze it!
[12:16:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> funky
[12:16:39] <Konomi> don't know why
[12:16:37] <Konomi> for some reason my bios takes about 3 seconds to find the mbr
[12:16:28] <Konomi> yep lol...
[12:16:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, my system takes less time to boot than the bios takes to post nowadays.
[12:15:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> says the guy who's spent over a week on filters in slash
[12:15:18] <Konomi> but it restarted so fast so...
[12:15:09] <Konomi> dos was actually a pretty bad example to be honest it used to fall over a lot
[12:15:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> improvements are good but reworking something to achieve the exact same result you currently have is less good.
[12:13:42] <Konomi> but I thought for a bit and decided it wouldn't fit either
[12:13:32] <Konomi> I was going to say apple at first
[12:13:29] <Konomi> true
[12:13:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas a pretty liberal definition of "works" you have there =P
[12:11:42] <Konomi> sorry I argued with you dos ;_;
[12:10:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> never argue with something that works
[12:10:19] <Konomi> I need to get around to porting it to a service file though just lazy
[12:10:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh
[12:09:40] <Konomi> ^ not really a service file at all
[12:09:35] <|> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[12:09:34] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
[12:09:33] <crutchy> or call scriptctl readmind TheMightyBuzzard
[12:09:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, most of them will probably do that too. or write a service to read sysvinit scripts in general.
[12:08:51] <Konomi> or use the LSB compatibility layer
[12:08:25] <Konomi> the horror ;p
[12:08:22] <Konomi> TheMightyBuzzard: it's okay they can just write a service file to call their script now
[12:08:05] <crutchy> circlectl run chromas
[12:07:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, that actually is a big deal to any sysadmin who's written their own sysvinit scripts for custom services.
[12:07:50] * chromas runs around in circles
[12:06:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> peachy enough. coffee and drugs are kicking in so i should be awake soon.
[12:06:45] <Konomi> civilisation is failing
[12:06:31] <Konomi> the world is in a panic
[12:06:28] <Konomi> debian decided they'd no longer support sysvinit scripts as well as systemd service files
[12:02:24] <Blackmoore_> how are things?
[12:01:43] <Blackmoore_> i cant belive this storm
[12:01:30] <Blackmoore_> mornin TMB
[12:01:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Blackmoore
[12:01:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 939
[12:01:17] <Blackmoore_> coffee++
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[12:00:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> woah, tcl and tk updates. wonder why
[11:57:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> well it is arch so anything's possible
[11:57:26] <Konomi> then it all exploded
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[11:55:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like a safe enough update, fingers crossed
[11:51:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> gods i hope so. i could really use a fix so i don't have to reload nfs every reboot
[11:50:04] <|> ^ 03systemd/systemd - System and Session Manager
[11:50:04] <Konomi> http://cgit.freedesktop.org ~
[11:48:19] <Konomi> I imagine the features will slow down soon
[11:47:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, nothin special so far. 216 had more changes.
[11:46:43] <ar> No matches found.
[11:46:43] <ar> % eix -I systemd
[11:46:30] <Konomi> still on 215 here I think
[11:46:26] <Konomi> anything interesting?
[11:46:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> having to read the 217 release notes cause arch bumped up to that version
[11:44:14] <ar> systemd sucks
[11:43:47] <Konomi> "systemd ate my baby"\
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[11:36:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya and because it'd make tying widely used packages solely to systemd less attractive
[11:35:01] <Konomi> because it'd make the transition less bumpy
[11:34:54] <Konomi> tbh I was kinda hoping they'd say support it
[11:34:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> me first, me first
[11:32:03] <Konomi> let the complaing begin ha
[11:30:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Debian General Resolution To Prevent Init System Coupling Fails to Pass - http://sylnt.us - I-hope-we-don't-regret-this
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[11:15:42] <chromas> about:blank++
[11:15:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> about:blank++
[11:14:54] <Konomi> finally free of firefoxs stupid videos on my home page wheee ._.
[11:14:30] <Bender> karma - amphetamine: 1
[11:14:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> amphetamine++ #coffee's big brother
[11:13:58] <Bender> karma - coffee: 938
[11:13:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:13:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> indeed
[11:13:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 937
[11:13:33] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:12:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> too early for me to read
[11:09:18] <|> ^ 03SCADA StrangeLove: BootKit via SMS
[11:09:18] <ar> http://scadastrangelove.blogspot.com - who want to make a submission out of it? :)
[11:08:48] <crutchy> noice
[11:06:01] <Konomi> I killed off the every changing mozilla about:home page it stays static now
[11:05:52] <Konomi> yay
[10:49:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 936
[10:49:14] <crutchy> coffee++
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[10:05:24] <Bender> karma - rand_paul: 1
[10:05:24] <crutchy> rand_paul++
[10:04:56] <crutchy> first thing republicans should do in january is pass the 'read the bills' bill
[10:02:45] <crutchy> what's more likely is that some republicans actually read the bill and found all the dodgy earmarks and stuff the democrats and lobbyists tried to slip in unnoticed
[10:01:48] <crutchy> nice spin
[10:01:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Republicans Block Attempt at NSA Reform in Senate - http://sylnt.us - surprise-surprise!
[09:55:35] <|> ^ 03Jolla Tablet. We make it. You make it yours. - YouTube
[09:55:34] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[09:55:16] <Konomi> >.<
[09:55:15] <Konomi> sounds like yolo
[09:55:12] <Konomi> this tablet name
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[09:43:13] <swiss> SirFinkus: i want some
[09:07:16] <Bender> karma - soup: 2
[09:07:16] <crutchy> soup++
[09:07:00] <Bender> karma - homemade_bacon_cheddar_and_potato_soup_on_a_cold_day: 1
[09:07:00] <SirFinkus> homemade_bacon_cheddar_and_potato_soup_on_a_cold_day++
[09:03:31] <SirFinkus> errr, private trackers
[09:01:53] <crutchy> though i've prolly watched 2 movies in last 6 months
[09:01:22] <crutchy> between youtube and viooz (with abe) i'm happy
[09:01:20] <chromas> etc
[09:01:19] <Bender> karma - abc: 0
[09:01:19] <chromas> abc--
[09:01:16] <Bender> karma - nbc: -1
[09:01:16] <chromas> nbc--
[09:01:03] <chromas> nothing over the air is worth watching
[09:00:43] <SirFinkus> the exact same content I can get free over the air, with more annoying ads and lower quality? sign me up
[09:00:32] <Bender> karma - adblock_edge: 2
[09:00:32] <crutchy> adblock_edge++
[09:00:08] <chromas> julu
[09:00:01] <SirFinkus> oh man, hulu
[08:59:46] <chromas> it's just like hulu
[08:59:38] <Bender> karma - ciri: -22
[08:59:38] <SirFinkus> ciri--
[08:59:30] <ciri> how how brown cow
[08:59:29] <SirFinkus> how bullshit is it that you pay money for xbox live, but still get ads?
[08:59:08] <Konomi> I fucking hate advertising ;_;
[08:58:49] <Konomi> it's swipes it slides it browses at 256 kb!
[08:58:06] <|> ^ 03Jolla Tablet - Jolla
[08:58:05] <ar> http://jolla.com
[08:57:56] <Bender> karma - friends: -1
[08:57:56] <chromas> friends--
[08:57:55] <Konomi> which I pretty much already did
[08:57:54] <Bender> karma - online: -1
[08:57:54] <chromas> online--
[08:57:41] <Konomi> I'll go indie and they can die in a fire \o/
[08:57:16] <chromas> pc's also compatible with the entire catalog of every pc game ever made, plus most all older consoles by emulation
[08:53:24] <swiss> and all the major games start charging for online play
[08:53:17] <swiss> until the game companies realize how much of a profit they're making from monthly payments
[08:53:09] <|> ^ 03Xbox 360 : OzModChips.com, Australian Supplier of WiiKey, Drivekey, M3, R4DS and CycloDS
[08:53:06] <crutchy> http://www.ozmodchips.com
[08:52:52] <swiss> SirFinkus: for now
[08:52:45] <crutchy> dunno. you prolly have to ask the people doing it
[08:52:41] <SirFinkus> not really badass, pc has had that since forever
[08:52:20] <SirFinkus> fuck, wish I could find that info
[08:52:19] <swiss> that's what's badass
[08:52:16] <swiss> ps3 doesn't charge for online play
[08:51:26] <SirFinkus> doesn't the xbox have some shit that can physically burn out circuits on its cpus if you mod it and they detect it?
[08:48:07] <crutchy> just don't root your xbox cos it might eat you after
[08:46:56] <chromas> afraid I'll be disappointed if I measure it
[08:46:45] <Bender> karma - coffee: 935
[08:46:45] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:46:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 936
[08:46:44] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:46:43] <Bender> karma - coffee: 937
[08:46:43] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:46:23] <juggs> measure it yourself!
[08:46:20] <chromas> anyhow, ms gameboxes need buttmagical firmware in the hdds
[08:45:41] <chromas> or is it 3.5"?
[08:44:56] <chromas> at least ps3s take any 2½" sata HDD, unlike that other guy
[08:43:49] <Bender> karma - ps3: 1
[08:43:49] <swiss> ps3++
[08:39:24] <Bender> karma - pc: 1
[08:39:24] <chromas> pc++ # master race
[08:39:19] <Bender> karma - politically_correct: -1
[08:39:19] <chromas> politically_correct--
[08:39:08] <Bender> karma - pc: 0
[08:39:08] <chromas> pc--
[08:38:36] <crutchy> maybe i should use ping++ instead of coffee++ as my pinger. prolly more politically correct
[08:38:00] <Bender> karma - coffee: 938
[08:38:00] <crutchy> coffee++
[08:31:38] * crutchy can't get the goat simulator music out of his head :/
[08:30:44] <ar> Konomi: tcpdump, i guess
[08:30:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 68 Katy – 68000 Linux on a Solderless Breadboard - http://sylnt.us - back-to-the-future
[08:30:15] <crutchy> the plan is a bit funky
[08:29:30] <chromas> You could trigger actions and do everything in the bot by way of http requests
[08:24:01] <chromas> crutchy: once you do that, you can have scripts run from other computers
[08:21:27] <SirFinkus> etc
[08:21:26] <SirFinkus> "the male delicately plucks the strands on the female's web"
[08:20:42] <SirFinkus> they always feature that part on national geographic
[08:20:29] <SirFinkus> it's mildly intersting biology
[08:19:58] <JamesNZ> SirFinkus: TMI.
[08:19:46] <chromas> It depends on the spider; some just have alimony payments
[08:19:12] <SirFinkus> I think the male spider usually gets eaten
[08:18:47] <SirFinkus> the deed is done, but the male is sticking around
[08:18:24] <SirFinkus> well...
[08:18:14] <crutchy> SirFinkus, i think that's called fellatio
[08:18:13] <Konomi> but I'm not a spider
[08:17:58] <crutchy> Konomi?
[08:17:58] <SirFinkus> I think the female is about to eat the male
[08:17:26] <Bender> karma - moar_complexity: 1
[08:17:26] <crutchy> moar_complexity++
[08:17:14] <Bender> karma - abstracted_abstraction: 1
[08:17:14] <crutchy> abstracted_abstraction++
[08:16:24] <SirFinkus> spiders are fucking on my wall
[08:14:12] * chromas gives crutchy 7 proxies
[08:13:55] <Konomi> that increased attack surface ;p
[08:12:34] <crutchy> well, that's the theory anyway
[08:12:27] <crutchy> yeah
[08:12:22] <chromas> Then I can request a bucket var like a url
[08:12:19] <crutchy> on my web server
[08:12:10] <crutchy> i wanna still enable it to run on my lappy behind two nat routers (one with no forwarded ports) using a relay script
[08:11:42] <chromas> ooh
[08:11:36] <chromas> Add a web server?
[08:11:32] <crutchy> wanna see if i can enable interaction with exec using http requests
[08:11:29] <chromas> oh?
[08:10:37] <crutchy> chromas, i had a trippy idea for exec during my lunch break today
[08:10:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 937
[08:10:37] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:10:36] <Bender> karma - coffee: 938
[08:10:36] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:10:35] <Bender> karma - coffee: 939
[08:10:35] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:10:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 940
[08:10:34] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:10:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 941
[08:10:33] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[07:59:34] <chromas> while(0)++
[07:58:03] <Konomi> not stupid coding bugs people make
[07:57:58] <Konomi> most people when referring to nix security mean the design
[07:57:37] <Konomi> unix was designed with the 1970s in mind ;p
[07:56:06] <chromas> 'cause Unix was designed with security in mind
[07:55:38] <chromas> but crutchy, they told me it's like Unix so it's inherently secure from the ground up
[07:54:57] <crutchy> only makes the front page if its called tcpdumpctl
[07:54:19] <Konomi> looks like only tcpdump is effected why would that be news worthy ar?
[07:54:06] <crutchy> suggests that more people are scrutinizing the code, which was probly triggered by heartbleed
[07:53:08] <crutchy> software always has them, so better to find them than not
[07:52:48] <crutchy> as much as trolls will always spin things negatively, i'm glad there are big bugs being found in linnux apps lately
[07:51:11] <Konomi> ar: what I am reading says tcpdump not libpcap is the library effected or just the binary?
[07:49:30] <Konomi> DoS on tcpdump apparently
[07:49:19] <Konomi> oh library
[07:49:15] <crutchy> Another Disaster?
[07:49:09] <Konomi> is tcpdump even commonly used outside of debugging?
[07:48:13] <crutchy> Apple Disdain?
[07:48:02] <Konomi> ar: the CVEs?
[07:47:01] <ar> crutchy: you cannot have AD without kerberos
[07:46:46] <ar> crutchy: kerberos is an important part of AD
[07:46:44] <juggs> systemd-ebolad !!!
[07:46:29] <ar> Konomi: hm?
[07:46:15] <Konomi> ar: what have we got this time ;p ?
[07:45:26] * crutchy didnt realize kerberos was in windows 7
[07:44:40] <Bender> karma - coffee: 942
[07:44:40] <crutchy> coffee++
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[07:39:21] <ar> (someone probably will want to make a submission out of ↑)
[07:38:08] <ar> tcpdump: CVE-2014-8767, CVE-2014-8768, CVE-2014-8769
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[07:23:43] <juggs> Carbon is not systemd yet - Ubu 14.04
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[07:19:25] <|> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[07:19:24] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
[07:19:23] <Konomi> basic systemd service file for managing a process as a daemon
[07:18:58] <juggs> eggdrop only barfs to its own logfile not syslogs, and only if it encounters a problem.
[07:18:03] <Konomi> when they're set to run every 10 minutes for example
[07:17:49] <juggs> If I had any idea what "short looping" meant I too would avoid it. :D
[07:17:07] <Konomi> I tend to avoid short looping crons cripts they spam system logs
[07:16:37] <juggs> Looks like an eggdrop cron script - that uses all manner of checks to make sure it's not already running, that it previously exited sanely, that's its files are clean before it agrees to start up and play.
[07:14:14] <crutchy> konomi could be chief soylent bot init script maintainer
[07:11:37] <Konomi> though this one doesn't use fancy output
[07:11:25] <Konomi> typically they look like this
[07:11:22] <|> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[07:11:21] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
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[07:09:58] <Konomi> init scripts for bots are not a short amount of code
[07:06:33] <juggs> But yeh... all that aside... let me get this thing out of a screen session first :D
[07:06:02] <juggs> get the more detail there is.... if you travel into one of the blue streams you are plunged into the dialogues between those two nodes at that specific point in time.
[07:06:02] <juggs> hm... on the ininite sticks thing, we could slow the ageing off, so ppl don't slide off the chart so fast. It could end up like a 3d star chart navigator.... the more they talk the more massive they become as planets / systems within the mesh, the more they talk to an individual the closer the become represented. Which is what piespy is doing, but imagine it in 3d - jump in your ship and go explore the grid with your oculous rift... the closer you
[06:59:37] <crutchy> they could pick holes in "echo myfart > stuff"
[06:59:14] <crutchy> i bet Konomi and ar could pick holes
[06:59:01] <juggs> they're mostly a few lines of sh code
[06:58:33] <crutchy> might be worth chucking scripts like that on github so they can be hole-picked
[06:57:57] <juggs> systemd-botctld all get-up-nowd all startd all
[06:57:42] <crutchy> or not. i never seen it
[06:57:30] <crutchy> it might do the forking maybe
[06:56:46] <crutchy> isn't there a startup script for bots?
[06:56:39] <juggs> The latter is my focus right now :D
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[06:55:57] <juggs> May as well just thumbnail it once a day or so to do that with it if we just want to give ppl something to clicky on. I'm more interested in what stitching the images together into an animation might bring, and I'm even more interested in not having in running in a screen session and into something of a more robust structure :D
[06:55:05] <crutchy> hmm. yeah would need constant thickness too. yeright prolly would look shit
[06:52:32] <crutchy> you would just click the pic to enlarge with nicks
[06:51:57] <crutchy> might be ok without the nicks
[06:51:35] <juggs> probably wouldn't look too clever squished into a slash box
[06:51:33] <SpallsHurgenson> soybox
[06:50:54] <crutchy> ive put the sticky slashbox idea on the wiki too, but prolly not high prioritah
[06:49:49] <juggs> We could up the resolution and dump it onto some Xmas special soylent swag posters.
[06:49:44] <crutchy> it invents its own puns?
[06:49:22] <SpallsHurgenson> ... soon it will achieve true sentience and then, well we all know what will happen
[06:49:18] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard is the information superhighway :d
[06:48:07] <SirFinkus> it's pretty cozy right now
[06:47:48] <SpallsHurgenson> it's getting larger, faster, smarter...
[06:46:38] <juggs> Not sure crutchy - I'm on there now looking to get it properly daemonised, I'll have a quick look through the config
[06:45:29] <crutchy> should change max_sticks to infinity :D
[06:44:55] <crutchy> is there a size limit juggs?
[06:44:32] <crutchy> looks pretty cool
[06:44:14] <JamesNZ> Getting larger?
[06:43:49] <crutchy> the constellation soylent is evolving
[06:42:57] * SirFinkus likes puns
[06:42:55] <crutchy> just finished work
[06:42:54] <SirFinkus> lame
[06:42:51] * juggs whacks crutchy anyway
[06:42:44] <crutchy> no pun
[06:42:39] <SpallsHurgenson> doo dee doodi doo! here comes the pun; it's all right...
[06:42:34] <SirFinkus> go on
[06:42:15] <SirFinkus> here comes the pun
[06:42:04] <crutchy> you guys need to change the name of your state
[06:41:50] <SirFinkus> and IPA+ would be neat
[06:41:16] <SirFinkus> I kind of wish craft beers with marijuana were legal in Washington, that could be neat
[06:40:32] <Bender> karma - goat_milk: 1
[06:40:32] <SpallsHurgenson> goat_milk++
[06:40:14] <Bender> karma - beer: 25
[06:40:14] <SirFinkus> beer++
[06:39:59] <Bender> karma - tea: 274
[06:39:59] <SirFinkus> tea++
[06:39:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 941
[06:39:37] <crutchy> coffee++
[06:38:03] <SirFinkus> I just need to pick out drives and mobos/raid cards that work together, and everything is backwards/forwoards compatible
[06:37:59] <NightHawk> scsi controllers still come in handy sometimes, used one a couple of months ago doing data recovery
[06:37:18] <SirFinkus> afaik
[06:37:14] <SirFinkus> it's still one cable one drive
[06:36:42] <juggs> And so it begins again.... sata 1 2 or 3?
[06:36:30] <SirFinkus> I like SATA, one drive, one plug, the magic smoke handles the rest
[06:36:01] <juggs> ooooh, you can have the cable too... it's about 6ft long with a bajillion connection points for drives.
[06:35:47] <SirFinkus> fun stuff, I don't work in "the industry" but I suppose most stuff is sata now?
[06:35:03] <juggs> I have an Adaptec SCSI controller here you can relive old times with if you like SirFinkus - I ~think~ it's an ultrawide, but I daren't dig it outin case it regresses me into ptsd or somesuch.
[06:34:04] <SirFinkus> I was talking more about the terminators, but I suppose that'd be a lot easier to track down than network shit
[06:33:33] <SirFinkus> I suppose I just didn't grow up with it
[06:33:19] * SirFinkus 's head explodes
[06:32:50] <juggs> ~which~ SCSI? I, II, III, Wide, Fast, UltraWide, UltraFast, FastWideWithSpots?
[06:32:27] <SpallsHurgenson> and well you should be! :)
[06:31:38] <SirFinkus> shit, I'm scared of SCSI
[06:31:04] <juggs> Thinking about it, I'd probably need another mortgage to cover the copper that went into those coax cables
[06:29:31] <juggs> security! you could talk to yourself in peace over ipx/spx!
[06:28:50] <SpallsHurgenson> although what good just ONE would do me I'm not sure :)
[06:28:18] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, I have several in my box of bits. Not sure I have any cables and terminators though.
[06:27:25] <SpallsHurgenson> you know, just in case :)
[06:27:22] <juggs> no different to today swiss in many regards only less ways to get utterly done over
[06:27:20] <SpallsHurgenson> I think I still have one NIC left with BNC
[06:24:04] <swiss> i'm so glad i never had to deal with that shit
[06:23:37] * juggs gifts SpallsHurgenson a bundle of NE2000 NICs - they have both rj45 and bnc connectors just in case you're still running thin ethernet over coax. Not that I miss the days of invoicing half a days work to locate a bayonet connector someone had "accidentally" unplugged, or a terminator that had mysteriously gone missing and killed an entire segment. Perhaps we ought to talk about token ring while we're here... I do miss the 90s :D
[06:02:03] <SpallsHurgenson> that's why I stick with MS DOS :)
[06:00:31] <NightHawk> nobodies perfect
[05:58:40] <SirFinkus> of course it's perfectly possible I'm retarded and missed something, but I don't think that's the case
[05:58:12] <SirFinkus> meanwhile, I look like a jackass
[05:57:18] <SirFinkus> which took 3 hours, and required I spend another 20 minutes on the phone with some indian guy to convince him that this was a legitimate install
[05:56:55] <NightHawk> sounds familiar
[05:56:21] <SirFinkus> eventually, I found some forum post by a microsoft employee that said the best way to fix it was to get the OS install disk and preform an upgrade installation over the currently installed version
[05:55:04] <SirFinkus> there was a "fix", but it didn't work
[05:54:50] <SirFinkus> after some research, turns out MS released an update that if installed, totally fucked windows update
[05:54:08] <SirFinkus> customer complaint here was "I installed updates and now windows won't update anymore"
[05:53:35] <SpallsHurgenson> Microsoft's updates seem to be increasingly... problematic these days
[05:53:11] <SirFinkus> the tool ran for 45 minutes and quit with nothing useful
[05:52:57] <SirFinkus> the update store was fucked
[05:52:44] <|> ^ 03Troubleshoot problems with installing updates - Windows Help
[05:52:43] <SirFinkus> http://windows.microsoft.com this was a tool for a recent problem I fixed
[05:50:30] <SirFinkus> and if asked, will just mumble something that sounds vaguely technical
[05:50:13] <SirFinkus> it kind of reeks of the attitude of a guy who doesn't really know what he's doing, but wants to look busy
[05:49:14] <SirFinkus> the summary is always kind of vague too, if they give one
[05:48:23] <SpallsHurgenson> but even that summary can sometimes be helpful
[05:47:19] <SpallsHurgenson> they give a summary after they run too, but no details
[05:47:11] <NightHawk> kinda like, here's the fiddly, or let us do it for you...
[05:46:54] <NightHawk> they sometimes do on the fixit pages no?
[05:46:45] <SirFinkus> might give me a clue
[05:46:40] <SirFinkus> "renewing DHCP lease... failed"
[05:46:26] <SirFinkus> they'd be 500% more useful if they told you what they were doing
[05:46:16] * NightHawk checks the spinning circle progress bar behind him
[05:45:51] <SirFinkus> with just that spinning circle for a progress indicator
[05:45:29] <SirFinkus> they always take like 15 minutes
[05:45:25] <NightHawk> I think they have one for fixing broken dvd filter entries, if so that would be hard to fuck up.
[05:45:17] <SpallsHurgenson> its usually something I could have done manually (delete files, reset registry settings, etc) but they're sometimes easier just to run and watch :)
[05:45:16] <SirFinkus> for me, maybe once where I realized I subnetted something wrong once and it offered to turn on dhcp
[05:44:33] <Konomi> I never had even one work
[05:44:30] <Konomi> 30%?
[05:44:23] <Konomi> oh those heh
[05:44:23] <SpallsHurgenson> maybe a 30% success rate but they sometimes work :)
[05:44:07] <SirFinkus> the retard gui ones, not stuff like sfc and chkdsk
[05:44:07] <SpallsHurgenson> I have
[05:43:38] <SirFinkus> so has anyone had one of those microsoft troubleshooter tools every help you solve a problem?
[05:42:58] <ciri> how how brown cow
[05:42:57] <NightHawk> how did that help you?
[05:42:42] <SirFinkus> oh? tell me more
[05:41:51] <Konomi> I did however discover the awesome mountvol command
[05:41:42] <Konomi> I had to reboot to console mode so it would stop trying to index them so I could chkdsk them
[05:41:27] <SpallsHurgenson> there's the problem; stop plugging them in :)
[05:41:19] <SirFinkus> usually with an informative "Microsoft critical update notification tool has encountered error 0xADEF03FD"
[05:40:58] <Konomi> everytime I'd plug them in it'd try to index them
[05:40:51] <Konomi> I was trying to just do some chkdsks on some ntfs drives I have
[05:40:41] <Konomi> I had fun with windows the other night actually
[05:40:21] <SirFinkus> and then gives a cryptic hex error code when run that you need to google
[05:39:43] <SirFinkus> ...that pulls down tens of megabytes of dependencies when run
[05:39:24] <SirFinkus> oh, the best part is when you get to an official looking technet page for with a promising looking link to a 351KB exe
[05:38:33] <NightHawk> not gonna happen today, no surrender.
[05:37:58] * SirFinkus might have used a little bit of hyperbole
[05:37:28] <SirFinkus> then you end up reinstalling windows
[05:37:21] <SpallsHurgenson> and the fixit tools are usually smaller :)
[05:37:17] <SirFinkus> the process takes 2 hours, with no indication on what it's doing or when it will be done
[05:37:00] <NightHawk> in all fairness sfc does work sometimes.
[05:36:54] <SirFinkus> you download it (300MB) and run it
[05:36:41] <SirFinkus> you folllow the google trail and find a microsoft tool that proports to fix the problem
[05:36:35] <SpallsHurgenson> I never trust "removing" viruses to be effective. never trust a compromised machine
[05:36:16] <SirFinkus> if that doesn't work (it won't) you google the error and find a broken technet forum link
[05:36:02] <NightHawk> done and done ;)
[05:35:52] <SirFinkus> if that doesn't work, you do a sfc /scannow
[05:35:42] <SpallsHurgenson> wipe'n'restore!
[05:35:36] <SirFinkus> 1st you remove any viruses
[05:35:25] <SirFinkus> I do freelance tech support shit kind of, and it seems like every windows problem has the same solutions
[05:34:49] <SpallsHurgenson> oh god, yeah, that thing is useless.
[05:34:13] <SirFinkus> are they still forcing the "modern" ui on server customers?
[05:34:08] <NightHawk> with DISM not fixing damaged components :/
[05:33:42] <SpallsHurgenson> you are having problems with your start screen? :)
[05:33:20] <SirFinkus> Windows: Has some redeeming features, pity they never work
[05:32:37] <NightHawk> Used to think windows 8 had some redeeming features, pity they never work.
[05:23:42] <Bender> todo for juggs: 1) update http://wiki.soylentnews.org 2) keep todo up to date!
[05:23:42] <juggs> !todo
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[04:58:05] * SpallsHurgenson lowers the shotgun
[04:56:22] <SirFinkus> then again, I'm not a lawyer
[04:56:16] <SirFinkus> which kind of requires that requirements be at the end
[04:56:01] <SirFinkus> the way I read the fourth amendment, it's a "can't do this UNLESS these requirements are met"
[04:55:08] <SirFinkus> and the whole idea that because it's at the bottom that it's less important
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[04:52:26] <SirFinkus> and that argument doesn't work when "reasonable search and seizure" criteria are "they're on the internet
[04:52:21] <SpallsHurgenson> well, there's always that option too. As I said, I'd /like/ to believe the former :)
[04:51:38] <SirFinkus> I'm on all the watchlists anyway, who cares?
[04:51:28] <SirFinkus> I'm guessing the judge is basing his argument on the fact that he's a jackass who should be first against the wall when the revolution comes
[04:51:04] <SpallsHurgenson> at least, I'd hope Arnold is trying to make that argument
[04:48:32] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm guessing the judge is basing his argument on the "unreasonable search and seizure" bit... "reasonable" searches don't require a warrant
[04:45:14] <SirFinkus> are you seriousing me?
[04:44:59] <SirFinkus> these fucking judges
[04:44:56] <|> ^ 03The Bottom End of the Fourth Amendment | emptywheel
[04:44:55] <SirFinkus> https://www.emptywheel.net
[04:44:52] <juggs> hmm fixed the double count
[04:44:43] <|> Karma - karma: 10
[04:44:42] <juggs> ++karma
[04:44:39] <|> Karma - karma: 9
[04:44:39] <juggs> ++karma
[04:44:01] <SpallsHurgenson> oops, damn space :)
[04:43:44] <SpallsHurgenson> karma-karma ++
[04:43:11] <Bender> karma - tea: 273
[04:43:11] <silverly> tea++
[04:43:11] <Bender> karma - tea: 272
[04:43:11] <silverly> tea++
[04:43:09] <Bender> karma - tea: 271
[04:43:09] <silverly> tea++
[04:43:07] <Bender> karma - man_pages: 2
[04:43:07] <silverly> man_pages++
[04:40:31] * SpallsHurgenson hippity-hops across the channel in a fluffy-bunny suit
[04:31:23] <SpallsHurgenson> forget the Rabbit of Caerbannog, I'm having Night of the Lepus flashbacks :)
[04:30:52] <juggs> aye
[04:30:13] <SpallsHurgenson> with nasty big pointy teeth?
[04:29:43] <juggs> ah well, as long as it's not the killer rabbits spalls, all will be fine
[04:29:23] <chromas> Sorry. I just wanted to know if they're a real thing
[04:29:12] * SpallsHurgenson launches a giant wooden rabbit instead
[04:29:02] <SpallsHurgenson> damn it, I wanted to do the elderberry reference too!
[04:28:50] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3elderberries: 1)Elder or Elderberries-(Sambucus) is a genus of between 5-30 species of fast-growing shrubs or small trees (two species herbaceous), formerly treated in the honeysuckle family Caprifoliaceae, but now...
[04:28:48] <chromas> ~define elderberry
[04:28:25] <chromas> as long as you don't fart in my general direction
[04:28:02] * SpallsHurgenson throws something slimy in chromas' direction
[04:27:14] * SpallsHurgenson readies his shotgun... oh, chromas beat me to it
[04:27:04] * chromas hears guns clicking
[04:26:57] <chromas> any lawyers in the house?
[04:26:39] <SpallsHurgenson> https://www.congress.gov is the correct one anyway (still no felony streaming that I can see... though it is a lot of legalese so who can tell for sure :)
[04:26:09] <Bender> karma - man_pages: 1
[04:26:09] <chromas> man_pages++
[04:25:45] <|> ^ 03S.1599 - 113th Congress (2013-2014): USA FREEDOM Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
[04:25:44] <chromas> https://www.congress.gov{%22search%22%3A[%22USA+Freedom+Act%22]}
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[04:25:24] <chromas> =restart
[04:24:42] <chromas> -g
[04:23:56] <chromas> I'm looking to see if there's an option to turn off globbing
[04:23:49] <SpallsHurgenson> nobody likes {[]}
[04:23:44] <chromas> (3) [globbing] nested brace in column 81
[04:23:33] <chromas> it's the {[]}
[04:23:29] <SpallsHurgenson> yay :)
[04:23:23] <|> ^ 03S.2685 - 113th Congress (2013-2014): USA FREEDOM Act of 2014 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
[04:23:22] <SpallsHurgenson> maybe it likes this one better: https://www.congress.gov
[04:20:40] <chromas> curl doesn't like that url
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[04:10:10] <SunTzuWarmaster> I have some objection to significant change during any lame duck session
[04:09:48] <SunTzuWarmaster> eh
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[03:58:51] <SpallsHurgenson> and looking here I don't see mention of it, just stuff restricting pentaps and about FISA court https://www.congress.gov{%22search%22%3A[%22USA+Freedom+Act%22]}
[03:58:51] <aqu4> 3[1] Name: We didn't start the viral | Map: ScavsRevenge-T1 | Host: SubSen(MOEPP) | Players: 3/4 | IP: 216.161.165.96 | Version: 3.1.1
[03:58:50] <aqu4> 1 games available.
[03:58:49] <Subsentient> $wz
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[03:57:08] <juggs> felony streaming? That has to be a joke
[03:55:43] <SpallsHurgenson> my understanding is he WANTED to but it wasn't in the bill that was voted on.
[03:47:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, Reid stuck felony streaming from sopa in that bill. it's a very good thing it didn't pass.
[03:38:08] <SpallsHurgenson> I honestly expected it to fail with a larger and more bilateral majority actually
[03:37:30] <Konomi> republicans are more worried about their dirty laundry maybe ;p
[03:36:09] <SpallsHurgenson> huh, I hate to get into the Republicans vs Democrats, but the fact that 41 of the 42 Senators voting against a bill to stop the NSA from spying on US citiizens were Republicans has to be indicative of something...
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[03:25:14] <SpallsHurgenson> "We felt we could leverage analytics to build an experience that understands your priorities"... I think I just puked in my mouth a little
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[03:24:14] <SpallsHurgenson> Burma Shave?
[03:23:24] <Konomi> hey ibm still exists!
[03:23:18] <Konomi> I mean now is free
[03:23:13] <Konomi> IBM what what was free?
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[03:10:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - IBM Verse Now Available for 'Free' - http://sylnt.us - interminably-bad-management
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[02:58:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> tl;dr fu, take systemd and like it
[02:57:34] <|> ^ 03[Phoronix] Debian Init System Coupling Vote Results
[02:57:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.phoronix.com
[02:56:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmmm... appley
[02:56:07] * Konomi pops an apple in TheMightyBuzzard and runs off
[02:56:01] <Konomi> urk that click bait
[02:55:01] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[02:51:15] <SunTzuWarmaster> home to such classics as "Australian billionaire plans to build Titanic II" (whatcouldpossiblygowrong)
[02:50:17] <|> ^ 03Slashdot Items Tagged With 'whatcouldpossiblygowrong' ( http://slashdot.org )
[02:50:15] <SunTzuWarmaster> http://slashdot.org
[02:50:15] <SunTzuWarmaster> FYI - one of my favorite GOTOs for laughs
[02:41:52] <SunTzuWarmaster> huh, thanks
[02:41:49] <silverly> that first link is in the queue :P
[02:41:38] <|> ^ 0304SN Submission by silverly http://root.silverly.pw EFF offers Free Certificate Authority to Dramatically Increase Encrypted Internet Traffic
[02:41:37] <silverly> http://soylentnews.org
[02:39:00] <SunTzuWarmaster> SN is running about a 8:1 S:N ratio, /. is running about 3:1, at least for me, right now
[02:38:31] <|> ^ 03Convergence | Beta
[02:38:31] <Konomi> http://convergence.io
[02:38:15] <|> ^ 03SN article Top-500 Supercomputer Race Goes Cold 04(15 comments)
[02:38:15] <SunTzuWarmaster> opposite example: http://soylentnews.org
[02:38:00] <Konomi> I wish convergence would get popular
[02:36:46] <|> ^ 03Launching 2015: a New Certificate Authority To Encrypt the Entire Web - Slashdot ( http://slashdot.org )
[02:36:45] <SunTzuWarmaster> http://it.slashdot.org
[02:36:37] <SunTzuWarmaster> *example
[02:36:27] <SunTzuWarmaster> exasmple of a good /. story not on SN
[02:35:44] <Konomi> I feel more comfortable on the fringe of mainstream anyway
[02:35:31] <SunTzuWarmaster> if 100% of the good items are covered via SN, and these make up 100% of SN traffic and 50% of /. traffic, the choice is obvious
[02:35:24] <Konomi> I don't miss anything slashdot posts ;p
[02:34:58] <SunTzuWarmaster> I'm more inclined to switch to SN if I know that I am not missing material
[02:34:42] <SunTzuWarmaster> Soylers seem to object to the cross-posts, but I see it as an advantage
[02:34:22] <SunTzuWarmaster> especially with the cross--posting
[02:34:14] <SunTzuWarmaster> soylent is quickly becoming a serious contender
[02:34:09] <Konomi> cause I can bet if it goes live we'll get a huge flood of new users
[02:33:58] <Konomi> I still see beta isn't out and I kinda wonder if they're holding back on it cause of soylent
[02:33:48] <SunTzuWarmaster> (no, I'm not playing "the other green site" game, because its dumb)
[02:33:47] <Konomi> that's because the flood of complaints would drive them nuts ;p
[02:33:29] <SunTzuWarmaster> but /. doesn't have a solid chat system up/running
[02:33:15] <SunTzuWarmaster> same with /.
[02:33:10] <SunTzuWarmaster> some of the community overlaps
[02:33:01] <SunTzuWarmaster> yea yea yea
[02:32:19] <silverly> soylents != 4chan :P
[02:32:15] <silverly> yeah
[02:32:07] <silverly> but without too theorical, to answer your quesion SunTzuWarmaster, for me, i would say no, im super young and i havent done any serious choices in my life
[02:30:48] <Konomi> I hope we're not becoming synonymous with 4chan x.x
[02:29:22] <SunTzuWarmaster> (cannot find source for quote)
[02:29:13] <SunTzuWarmaster> interesting line of reasoning, related quote "the most important discovery of my generation is that we can, at any moment, give up who we are in return for who we want to be"
[02:25:08] <silverly> we just choose not to stray from our normal path
[02:24:51] <silverly> we have a shot everyday
[02:21:35] <SunTzuWarmaster> anybody ever had a shot but weren't able to take it?
[02:21:11] <SunTzuWarmaster> http://ict.usc.edu
[02:20:21] <SunTzuWarmaster> figured I would come to soylent / 4chan to commiserate...
[02:20:17] <silverly> what was it?
[02:19:50] <silverly> :\
[02:19:39] <SunTzuWarmaster> :( :( :(
[02:19:36] <silverly> any particular reason?
[02:19:33] <silverly> :O
[02:19:28] <SunTzuWarmaster> can't move across the country
[02:19:23] <SunTzuWarmaster> *sigh*
[02:19:11] <ciri> yeah, yeah hi HI silverly
[02:19:10] <silverly> hello
[02:19:06] <SunTzuWarmaster> I just turned down my dream job
[02:18:54] <SunTzuWarmaster> hey guys
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[01:50:18] <|> ^ 03Suzuki GSXR wheelie and busted by police on a horse in Central London - YouTube
[01:50:18] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
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[01:41:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Peer Review is Fraught with Problems, and We Need a Fix - http://sylnt.us - peer-reviewed-study-confirms-it
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[00:02:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Venus Express Mission Almost Over - http://sylnt.us - what-goes-up