#Soylent | Logs for 2014-11-06

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[00:01:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Coffee Tree Genome Sequenced - http://sylnt.us - coffee++
[00:24:02] -!- SpallsHurgenson [SpallsHurgenson!~SpallsHur@zuhj-28-584-585-545.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #Soylent
[00:29:00] <SpallsHurgenson> huh, fan-films of today sure are better than when I was a kid. https://www.youtube.com
[00:29:01] <NetCraft> ^ 03Firefly Fan Film - "THE VERSE" - YouTube
[01:20:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - OpenSUSE 13.2 Released - http://sylnt.us - welcoming-our-new-lizard-overlord
[01:34:50] <Leebert> TIL: Some Windows utilities (ping, FTP) interpret IPv4 addresses in dotted quad format with leading zeros as octal.
[01:34:56] <Leebert> http://support.microsoft.com
[01:34:57] <NetCraft> ^ 03Ping and FTP Resolve IP Address with Leading Zero as Octal
[01:35:22] <Leebert> That article applies to NT 4.0 but I checked and it's still that way in Windows 7.
[01:38:24] * SpallsHurgenson wonders how it would interpret 09.09.09.09
[02:04:30] <Leebert> C:\Users\lsherida>ping 09.09.09.09
[02:04:31] <Leebert> Ping request could not find host 09.09.09.09. Please check the name and try again.
[02:04:43] <Leebert> apparently it's a DNS name? lol
[02:10:46] <cykros> it probably doesn't recognize the leading 0 as a standard numeric ip address
[02:10:55] <cykros> oh
[02:11:01] * cykros should have read up before responding
[02:11:03] <cykros> carry on
[02:13:54] <SpallsHurgenson> I'd like to believe it would make Windows become a paranoid schizophrenic "It's Octal... but there's a NINE in there! <whimper>"
[02:20:31] * Leebert points out that an 8 would have done just as well.
[02:20:49] <Leebert> pats the otherwise worthless computer science degree
[02:21:00] <Leebert> pretend there was a /me in there
[02:21:04] <SpallsHurgenson> yes, but less obvious :)
[02:21:22] <Leebert> more subtle breakage = even more fun!
[02:27:25] <Leebert> gah. I have to beat up on a sysadmin, but I have a hard time doing that when he's named the computer "worf"
[02:28:15] <Leebert> "Your MySQL configuration has brought DISHONOR to our organization!"
[02:31:10] <chromas> Leebert: s/(MySQL)*c/\1 */
[02:31:11] <sedctl> <chromas> <Leebert> "Your MySQL *onfiguration has brought DISHONOR to our organization!"
[02:31:18] <chromas> :( oh well
[02:31:34] <chromas> mysql--
[02:31:34] <Bender> karma - mysql: -2
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[02:35:38] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v TheMightyBuzzard] by juggler
[02:37:49] <Leebert> Yes, well. Those are not my decisions.
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[03:06:40] <SpallsHurgenson> I dunno, I always thought that Real Klingins (tm) use Perl
[03:11:43] <chromas> to show off their maximum toughness
[03:11:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google's Next Step in Real-Time Surveillance - http://sylnt.us - hunt-the-consumer
[03:12:21] <juggs> Klingins?? Am I about to get an almighty WOOSH for missing an in joke or was that just a typo?
[03:15:37] <chromas> It was a typo, but now that you mention it, he'll secretly come up with a joke for it
[03:16:16] <juggs> Or maybe you also are unaware of the in joke and will be WOOSHED too!
[03:16:39] <chromas> ssssh
[03:16:41] <juggs> It's wooshes all the way down
[03:17:45] <juggs> Now stop this, it's silly. There are those among us who demand this channel be used for erudite discussion only.
[03:18:00] * SpallsHurgenson is still struggling to make a joke about klingins
[03:18:38] <chromas> Klinging are like Big 'Uns with weird bumps
[03:18:50] <chromas> s/g/s/2
[03:19:41] <SpallsHurgenson> tell me more about this "bumps"
[03:20:23] <chromas> Well they're more like ridges really, so they're just like those chips
[03:21:04] <chromas> plus they're not as flexible as you'd hope
[03:21:59] * SpallsHurgenson has heard rumor that Klingon bumps are erogenous... anyone willing to test the theory?
[03:22:06] <paulej72> i am more fond of spots that gonall the way down. jadzia dax ftw
[03:23:42] <paulej72> and if they only have "bumps" then they might be under aged
[03:24:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> national nachos day tomorrow
[03:24:54] <chromas> nachos++
[03:24:54] <Bender> karma - nachos: 4
[03:25:28] <paulej72> thats nat yo cheese
[03:26:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> was a lot to be said for jadzia
[03:27:03] * SpallsHurgenson hopes this means free Nachos for everyone
[03:27:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> was more to be said for seven of boobs though
[03:27:58] * chromas checks for cream to make cheese sauce
[03:28:59] <SpallsHurgenson> boobs and nachos; this is why I like IRC!
[03:29:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> bewbs++
[03:29:11] <Bender> karma - bewbs: 22
[03:29:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> nachos++
[03:29:14] <Bender> karma - nachos: 5
[03:30:22] <SpallsHurgenson> interesting article about ebola http://arstechnica.com
[03:30:34] <SpallsHurgenson> (boobs, nachos and ebola... what a combination!)
[03:33:30] <paulej72> hopefully not all in the same meal
[03:35:03] <SpallsHurgenson> two out of three, randomly selected
[03:37:19] <chromas> ya can't go wrong
[03:37:41] <SpallsHurgenson> geez, everything on amazon has 4 out of 5 stars.
[03:38:23] * juggs sings "I got Ebola From A Starship Trooper" to the melody of a somewhat well known Abba tune
[03:38:46] * SpallsHurgenson refuses to acknowledge any Abba tunes are well known
[03:39:04] <juggs> 2nd line goes "mumble nuh uhh something bla-ahhh"
[03:39:27] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, THAT song
[03:39:28] <juggs> But it's in your head now SpallsHurgenson - don't fight it!
[03:41:00] <SpallsHurgenson> hah, you didn't count on my having a brain made of porridge!
[03:41:23] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, sudo acknowledgectl accept abba
[03:41:25] * chromas wonders if SpallsHurgenson's brain is too hot or too cold
[03:41:31] <Leebert> Whew-wee this guy is gonna love me tomorrow after he reads this.
[03:41:38] <SpallsHurgenson> ha x2! my brain runs MS DOS!
[03:41:41] * Leebert loves being the security guy. Makin' friends.
[03:41:57] <juggs> Leebert, what did you do now?
[03:42:12] <SpallsHurgenson> Leebert: just strip away all his rights and don't tell him. That's how the REAL security pros do it :)
[03:42:22] <Leebert> Oh, if you read above I was bleeding all over an admin's MySQL configuration in dev.
[03:42:28] <juggs> leave the helldesk to figure it out
[03:42:44] <Leebert> Stuff like, "we don't need SSL; we're using VPN!!"
[03:43:11] <SpallsHurgenson> helpdesk: Hmm, seems you lost all your rights. Well, I'll just enable full admin rights for everything for you, that should do it :)
[03:43:13] <juggs> That would need some context
[03:43:29] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, so true.
[03:44:02] <Leebert> Alas, $helpdesk being able to do that would assume that this is using our (required) central authentication.
[03:44:14] <juggs> Closely followed by, "I'm a manager, just got promoted from underling don't ya know... now give me GOD rights on every system!"
[03:44:17] <Leebert> This was another one of the bit of red ink scribbled thereon.
[03:45:02] <SpallsHurgenson> never doubt the ability of helpdesk to do something fundamentally stupid in order to get the damn luser to finally leave them alone
[03:45:07] <juggs> Real power writes with green ink... one should always keep a green pen handy for annotations.
[03:45:29] <SpallsHurgenson> (mind you, I don't blame 'em. :)
[03:46:11] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, they are measured on reducing call time and 1st time fix rather than doing the "right" thing. Don't blame the minions, blame the measurement setters.
[03:46:26] <SpallsHurgenson> (I actually sympathized with that sysadmin in SanFran who refused to turn over the admin passwords when he got fired :)
[03:47:55] <juggs> must have missed that story. can't say I'd care if I were being fired. let them have them and eff everything up, then hire me back on a daily rate 5x what they used to pay to fix up their poopy mess. all grist to the mill.
[03:48:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what i did last time i quit a wage slave job
[03:48:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> cept it was 30x
[03:48:54] * juggs applauds
[03:49:08] * SpallsHurgenson googles... Terry Childs. He was the network admin for the city of San Francisco. He got fired when he refused to hand over the admin passwords to servers and routers because he considered everyone else too inept to handle the responsibility
[03:49:18] <SpallsHurgenson> (good god, that was in 2008. It feels like yesterday)
[03:49:33] <juggs> haha - time accelerates.
[03:50:30] <Leebert> Tomorrow is a 4-hour meeting with a clueless vendor.
[03:50:44] <juggs> or is it our perception of time? Does time even exist? If it does exist as a dimension why can we only traverse it on one direction? :-/ I wish I were smarter.
[03:50:59] <JamesNZ> Leebert: Have fun :P
[03:51:04] <Leebert> sigh.
[03:51:13] <SpallsHurgenson> be sure to talk to the sales people and ask for the sun and the moon. They'll assure you that they can provide it :)
[03:51:20] <Leebert> No, see.
[03:51:27] <Leebert> they've already installed it.
[03:51:32] <juggs> Leebert, are you going for the glazed over meditation session or the full on entertain yourself by unpicking the sales driod's spiel approach?
[03:51:34] <JamesNZ> juggs: I've heard people talk about it as half a dimension.
[03:51:36] <SpallsHurgenson> whatever you do, don't talk to the developers. they have a REALISTIC view of the situation :)
[03:51:37] <Leebert> Then they came to security and said: "please approve this"
[03:51:47] <Leebert> Use your imagination as to what happened next...
[03:51:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> we don't traverse time, we're stationary at all points of our existence in it at once
[03:52:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, you take that back. i fully plan on taking over the world with SN
[03:52:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> realistic, schmealistic
[03:52:39] <SpallsHurgenson> you'll ask them for trans-light processors and they'll mutter about how such a thing doesn't exist; I mean, what sort of customer service is that?!?!?
[03:53:04] <Leebert> I am very sad that nobody replied to my "guess what happens next"-esque statement with: "He fixes the cable?"
[03:53:06] <JamesNZ> Obviously the client should do it themselves. How hard can it be?
[03:53:36] <SpallsHurgenson> no, if you need something done, always ask the salespeople for it; they'll say "sure" and "next week latest!". :)
[03:53:42] <Leebert> Ugh, Our developers don't. The write *cold fusion* for crying out loud.
[03:53:44] <Leebert> *sob*
[03:53:54] <juggs> Lead them on to commit to subtle moon on a stick commitments :D
[03:54:28] <JamesNZ> Leebert: What's wrong with writing 'cold fusion'?
[03:54:46] <Leebert> You have to maintain servers with ColdFusion on them. :(
[03:55:12] * SpallsHurgenson wishes Leebert was discussing room-temperature nuclear reactions
[03:55:14] <JamesNZ> Oh, whoops, I thought you meant the nuclear meaning XD
[03:55:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, they should prolly switch to wordpress
[03:55:39] <Leebert> Or Drupal.
[03:55:46] <Leebert> That's all the rage now with us.
[03:55:49] <juggs> o.O sedition!
[03:56:11] <SpallsHurgenson> Drupal 7, I hope :)
[03:56:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> and if^W when you get hacked you can always blame it on WP/Drupal
[03:56:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> everyone should just clone our slashcode repo
[03:57:12] <juggs> good strategy.... as long as you keep a copy of your prior warnings about deployment of the same.
[03:57:17] <Leebert> sigh. It's bedtime. If anyone needs me I'll be weeping in my pillow.
[03:57:35] * juggs passes Leebert the waterproof pillow slip
[03:58:59] <SpallsHurgenson> !request hardcode slash to reject any attempts to add emoji support
[03:59:19] * SpallsHurgenson pokes the bot
[03:59:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> too late. emoji are already supported if your font supports them.
[03:59:51] <SpallsHurgenson> oh god
[04:00:09] <SpallsHurgenson> !request code slash so avatar pictures will never, ever work
[04:00:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> 💩
[04:00:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> (💩)++
[04:00:32] <Bender> karma - (💩): 2
[04:00:38] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[04:00:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 903
[04:00:41] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[04:00:41] <Bender> karma - coffee: 902
[04:01:03] * SpallsHurgenson supports JamesNZ in his crusade against the black sludge
[04:01:06] <SpallsHurgenson> coffee--
[04:01:06] <Bender> karma - coffee: 901
[04:01:11] <SpallsHurgenson> coffee--
[04:01:11] <Bender> karma - coffee: 900
[04:01:17] <JamesNZ> \o/
[04:01:59] * TheMightyBuzzard sneaks up behind juggs and borrows his banhammer
[04:02:09] <SpallsHurgenson> sludge addict :)
[04:02:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya, i fergot
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[04:02:40] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, I thought you had your own
[04:02:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was gonna double-hammer it since there was two of em
[04:03:15] <SpallsHurgenson> I regret nothing! Juan Valdez is Satan incarnate!
[04:03:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[04:03:24] <NetCraft> ^ 03MC Hammer - U Can't Touch This - YouTube
[04:03:42] <juggs> ahh.. full moon tonight, clear skies... we must wield dual hammers to defeat the wyrd
[04:03:50] <SpallsHurgenson> MB Hammer :)
[04:05:01] * SpallsHurgenson envisions TMB dressed up as Thor
[04:05:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, i do have a viking hat
[04:05:22] * juggs reaches for the mind bleach
[04:05:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> have to get a blonde wig and dye my beard though
[04:05:56] <SpallsHurgenson> awww, the actor who played the Juan Valdez character died in '93
[04:06:11] * TheMightyBuzzard sadface
[04:08:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh well, sleep time now. don't break stuff until i get back.
[04:10:14] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[04:10:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 899
[04:12:20] <SpallsHurgenson> keep going, keep going!
[04:12:47] <JamesNZ> coffee-- # As per request :P
[04:12:47] <Bender> karma - coffee: 898
[04:13:27] <juggs> tea++
[04:13:27] <Bender> karma - tea: 195
[04:13:31] <juggs> beer++
[04:13:31] <Bender> karma - beer: 20
[04:13:39] <juggs> nap++
[04:13:39] <Bender> karma - nap: 8
[04:13:40] * SpallsHurgenson sings "Coffee has 898 karma, karma is 898! Coffee is brown so knock it down, coffee has 897 karma!"
[04:13:52] <SpallsHurgenson> coffee--
[04:13:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 897
[04:14:47] <juggs> .deop
[04:14:47] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o juggs] by juggler
[04:19:47] <Konomi> blargh conciousness
[04:20:00] <Konomi> hey everything still sucks back to bed
[04:20:39] <juggs> lucid_dreaming++
[04:20:39] <Bender> karma - lucid_dreaming: 1
[04:21:02] <SpallsHurgenson> Konomi: you are just dreaming you are on IRC
[04:21:18] * SpallsHurgenson turns into a penguin to prove the truth of his claim
[04:21:31] <Konomi> rem_sleep--
[04:21:31] <Bender> karma - rem_sleep: -1
[04:21:56] <juggs> what's so bad about rem?
[04:22:14] <juggs> provided you can get past it of course
[04:22:16] * SpallsHurgenson sings "It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!"
[04:22:16] <Konomi> I never get out of it ;_;
[04:22:48] <Konomi> pro tip for debain users if you're seeing partially configured packages when you update now
[04:22:53] <Konomi> run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:23:09] <Konomi> https://bugs.debian.org
[04:24:23] * juggs removes all Konomi's electronica. You'll thank me in a week or so once the shakes subside and deep sleep cycles have returned. (grabs the coffee on the way out to and locks the door)
[04:26:57] <juggs> .devoice
[04:26:57] -!- mode/#Soylent [-v juggs] by juggler
[04:27:49] <SpallsHurgenson> but without the constant whirrr of the fans and strobing of the LEDs, how will he fall asleep?
[04:27:53] * juggs learns sign language. Tank has an awesome program for that.
[04:29:57] <juggs> the same way someone not in a sleep deprivation environment falls asleep...
[04:30:45] <Konomi> I really need a fan noise ;_;
[04:30:50] <Konomi> drowns out background noise
[04:30:52] <SpallsHurgenson> electronics dont bother me when I sleep... it's the constant roar of traffic that makes me psychopathic :)
[04:31:09] <juggs> Konomi, you live in a busy suburbia?
[04:31:22] <Konomi> juggs: also you would just make me sleep less by having nothing to exhuast my mind on then ._.
[04:31:28] <Konomi> nope wooden house
[04:31:46] <Konomi> and my house mate is one of those typical noisey guys
[04:31:52] <SpallsHurgenson> beware the birds and their dreadful songs!
[04:31:54] <juggs> ahh - that's a challenge to soundproof for sure :(
[04:32:01] <Konomi> about as graceful as a bull in a china store
[04:32:02] <chromas> the background noise is probably the screams of tourists as they're eaten by snakes and dropbears
[04:33:23] <SpallsHurgenson> fortunately, the spider bites paralyze them so they die quietly :)
[04:33:35] <Konomi> I have a desk fan for all my fan noise needs though
[04:33:43] <Konomi> plus the huge doggy plushie helps sometimes
[04:34:03] <SpallsHurgenson> that puts an image in my head I didn't need :)
[04:34:07] <Konomi> it's from my melbourne trip tbh everytime I travel it throws everything out of whack
[04:34:25] <Konomi> you're a guy I expect that...
[04:34:25] * juggs sends a container of anechoic foam wedges in various sizes too Konomi.
[04:35:19] <Konomi> I had to google anechoic x.x
[04:35:32] <Konomi> generally don't they keep sound in more than out though?
[04:35:45] <chromas> so you have to hear your own thoughts
[04:35:58] <Konomi> I already have the third person voice in my head I don't need anymore
[04:37:02] <Konomi> time to check au poltics news
[04:37:11] <Konomi> I wonder if tony abbott has started kicking puppies in the face yet
[04:39:08] <SpallsHurgenson> I know its an ad and a joke done a hundred times before at that, but I still find this quite amusing: https://www.youtube.com
[04:39:09] <NetCraft> ^ 03Experience the power of a bookbook™ - YouTube
[04:39:58] <Konomi> I get eye strain from books and text formatted like books
[04:40:07] <SpallsHurgenson> (especially since almost all the photos in the Ikea catalog are computer generated images :)
[04:43:39] <juggs> Konomi, fit them in reverse, they pretty much kill sound either way ;) External window shutters are a plus too if you need to sleep during daylight hours. In a wooden house though your going to probably have issues of sound transmission though floor joists and the likes. Not impossible to solve, bu pricey as you start needing to tear up floors.
[04:44:32] <SpallsHurgenson> determine the cost effectiveness of adding sound dampening to the house vs just killing the flatmate
[04:45:01] <Konomi> they'd really go down wellw itht eh house owner
[04:45:13] <SpallsHurgenson> so murder it is!
[04:45:15] <Konomi> "what are you doing" "Just gluing specially shaped chunks of foam to your wall"
[04:47:52] <juggs> so hang them on a framework of suspended wires. A few small holes in the ceiling that can be easily filled and touched over with paint on exit. Or use blu-tack :D
[04:48:02] <juggs> So many solutions.
[04:49:45] <Konomi> anyway sound/pcs isn't ny problem
[04:49:51] <Konomi> I've been sleeping wiht my compute rin my room for years
[04:50:04] <juggs> SO what is the problem?
[04:50:11] <Konomi> probably the trip I took
[04:50:17] <Konomi> staying up 3 days will do that
[04:50:30] <juggs> acid does that maaan!
[04:50:33] <juggs> :P
[04:50:46] <Konomi> my sleeping feels like an acid trip atm ;_;
[04:52:31] <juggs> you stayed awake for 72 hours?
[04:53:29] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[04:53:30] <NetCraft> ^ 03Most Polite Robbery Ever Caught on Security Cam CCTV - YouTube
[04:55:46] <juggs> I've sworn off YT. Does it go along the lines of "Please give me all the cash, or I shall use this daffodil to assault your nostrils with pollen" or some such?
[04:56:20] * chromas read it as "Most Police Robbery"
[04:57:53] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[04:57:53] <NetCraft> ^ 03Inside the ISS - 18,000 M.P.H. with Reid Wiseman - YouTube
[04:57:54] <Konomi> yoink
[04:59:01] <swiss> juggs: i was going to tell you about the cool banking stuff, but then i got intoxicated again
[05:00:50] <SpallsHurgenson> BUI - banking under the influence?
[05:01:40] <Konomi> is that what they were doing in 2007
[05:02:03] <juggs> swiss, ya I got that ping. I understand.
[05:02:15] <swiss> lol
[05:02:21] <SpallsHurgenson> (note: 18,001.375mph)
[05:03:39] <juggs> Konomi, banks were doing what the were allowed to do according to regulation. What annoys me more is not the banks, it is the politicos jumping on soapboxes to decry the whole thing without closing the loopholes that were leveraged.
[05:04:02] <Konomi> power likes to rub power they don't care ;p
[05:04:18] <Konomi> best to focus on your commuinity around you and aim for viral change rather than the top ;p
[05:06:19] <SpallsHurgenson> 'cause local government is whom we should trust :) https://www.youtube.com
[05:06:20] <NetCraft> ^ 03Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: State Legislatures and ALEC (HBO) - YouTube
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[05:21:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Israeli Ex-Spies want to Help Defend your Car from Cybercrooks - http://sylnt.us - emerging-markets
[05:22:52] <arti> we need to expose more stuff on the internet
[05:23:23] * arti looks at chromas
[05:23:32] * chromas wires up his toilet's flush lever to the internet
[05:24:48] * arti wires up an ice cube maker
[05:25:03] <chromas> ooh, can we pipe them together?
[05:25:07] <chromas> flushcubes
[05:25:17] <arti> "mine tastes crappy"
[05:25:19] <chromas> vicious_cycle++
[05:25:19] <Bender> karma - vicious_cycle: 1
[05:26:33] <arti> i like this, we should do startkickers for this
[06:32:28] <crutchy> coffee++
[06:32:28] <Bender> karma - coffee: 898
[06:32:29] <crutchy> bacon++
[06:32:29] <Bender> karma - bacon: 273
[06:34:43] * crutchy catches up on backlog
[07:00:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - EFF Fights for Common Sense, Again, in DMCA Rulemaking - http://sylnt.us - not-so-common-sense
[07:39:15] <JamesNZ> ~gday crutchy
[07:39:16] * exec lagubriously postulates a toilet bowl of Soylent Green towards crutchy
[07:39:43] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[07:39:43] <NetCraft> ^ 03How to torment telemarketers with one word - YouTube
[07:39:51] <crutchy> ~gday JamesNZ
[07:39:52] * exec insubordinately throws a coffee++ mug of bewb at JamesNZ
[07:40:01] <crutchy> aww i got ripped off
[07:40:03] * JamesNZ gags
[07:40:05] <crutchy> exec--
[07:40:05] <Bender> karma - exec: 12
[07:40:08] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[07:40:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 897
[07:40:11] <crutchy> bewbs++
[07:40:11] <Bender> karma - bewbs: 23
[07:40:38] <crutchy> i'd take bewb over Soylent Green regardless of the $container
[07:47:45] <chromas> hah
[07:47:53] <chromas> Teh word was what I expected
[07:50:02] <chromas> someone should make a "yes" machine for telemarketers
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[08:32:38] <crutchy> ~rehash
[08:32:39] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file (59 aliases)
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[08:33:48] <chromas> You rehashed her netbook
[08:35:16] <crutchy> tama, rehashing netbooks is not something sexual
[09:27:55] <Konomi> please no putting anyones groin near my technology
[09:27:58] <Konomi> you humans are icky enough as it is
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[09:40:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - UK Home Secretary: Project to End Mobile "Not-Spots" Could Aid Terrorists - http://sylnt.us - war-on-error
[09:56:57] * crutchy waves his hard drive around for Konomi
[09:57:23] <Konomi> sec I need to get my binoculars
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[11:06:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:06:20] <Bender> karma - coffee: 898
[11:27:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> sigh, gonna take one more run at getting atom/rss feeds playing nice with whatever's put in them
[11:34:56] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:34:56] <Bender> karma - coffee: 899
[11:36:15] <crutchy> striptags++
[11:36:15] <Bender> karma - striptags: 1
[11:58:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> man you gots no idea.
[12:03:51] <crutchy> i know
[12:04:00] <crutchy> that i have no idea that is :p
[12:05:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> see people can put in all kinds of craziness and it gets stored in the db like that but our encoding is jacked up and can't deal
[12:06:38] <crutchy> does perl have html_entity_encode/decode functions that accept a charset parameter?
[12:06:55] <chromas> sets++
[12:06:55] <Bender> karma - sets: 1
[12:07:33] <crutchy> http://php.net
[12:08:04] <crutchy> ^ gets into all that weird asian encodings
[12:10:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> woah, i got rss working right
[12:10:18] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard++
[12:10:18] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 104
[12:10:26] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard++ # for impressing himself
[12:10:26] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 105
[12:10:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> atom, not so much but that's next
[12:28:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i believe that has atom feeds working right too
[12:28:35] * TheMightyBuzzard checks different feed readers
[12:30:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... renders fine in browser feed reader but not liferea
[12:33:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyone have a feed reader besides liferea handy?
[12:34:14] <crutchy> i only gots fsockopen sorry :d
[12:34:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> pffft
[12:35:02] * chromas digs for a reader
[12:35:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> apparently moz browsers only single decode feed titles but liferea does multiple passes
[12:36:12] <chromas> atom or rss?
[12:36:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://tmbvm.ddns.net AND http://tmbvm.ddns.net
[12:36:35] <NetCraft> ^ 03TMB's VM
[12:36:35] <NetCraft> ^ 03TMB's VM
[12:36:39] <chromas> they both look okay in opera 12
[12:36:42] <chromas> oh
[12:37:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> should have two tags in the title that show literal instead of being rendered as tags
[12:37:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ie should read: This is a title with "quotes" & ampersands & <tags> <moretags>
[12:37:49] <crutchy> ooh
[12:38:01] <chromas> it does in the atom
[12:38:03] <crutchy> i just noticed the rss2irc package
[12:38:29] <chromas> k they both do but only the atom has tags in the titles
[12:38:42] <chromas> (opera 12; the last one before chromification)
[12:38:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, this is a bug that's not fixable apparently since everyone has a different idea of how to render
[12:39:35] <crutchy> i like to double-decode feed titles cos for some reason &amp;amp; is not uncommon :/
[12:40:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's how it has to be done
[12:40:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> at least to show in a moz browser
[12:40:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> well no, &amp; works fine but &[lg]t; do not
[12:40:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Effect of Programming Language on Software Quality - http://sylnt.us - Brainfuck++
[12:41:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm
[12:41:11] <chromas> akregator same as opera: tags show up in the articles but only the atom feed has them in the titles
[12:41:55] <chromas> maybe some show <tags> when they're not real html tags
[12:42:25] <crutchy> strip all the fuckers
[12:43:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'being difficult
[12:43:12] <chromas> fuckers.strip(all)
[12:43:19] <crutchy> chromas++
[12:43:19] <Bender> karma - chromas: 49
[12:43:40] <chromas> ampache-- # for only taking mysql
[12:43:40] <Bender> karma - ampache: -1
[12:44:19] <crutchy> tama++ # for taking whatever we give it :p
[12:44:19] <Bender> karma - tama: 3
[12:44:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas for if we want to have an article like: The Return of the <blink> Tag
[12:45:15] <crutchy> you need a list of tags to be stripped then
[12:45:22] <chromas> atom++ does it right
[12:45:22] <Bender> karma - atom: 2
[12:45:25] <chromas> rss-- can suck it
[12:45:25] <Bender> karma - rss: -1
[12:45:33] <crutchy> and everything else is &lt;blink&gt;
[12:46:09] <crutchy> slash probably already has a list of html void and raw tags i guess?
[12:46:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm?
[12:47:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> we have a list of allowed ones but no html is "allowed" in the title
[12:47:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> as in it can be there in the db but we render it as plaintext
[12:47:42] <crutchy> in this case not for allowing, but to decide strip or encode
[12:48:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're not looking to strip. we're looking to render as plaintext across as many readers as possible.
[12:48:50] <crutchy> or you could just encode the lot, but that might make messy if some dipshit decides to put html in a title, with css and the rest
[12:49:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, figuring HOW to encode it when all the renders do things differently is a pita
[12:50:20] <chromas> can't just use entities for <>?
[12:50:30] <crutchy> ^
[12:51:03] <chromas> or is that something some readers are being dumb about?
[12:51:22] <chromas> which means they should be uninstalled and stomped on
[12:51:34] <crutchy> if some readers output &lt; as &lt; then they suck
[12:51:56] <crutchy> can't satisfy stupidness
[12:52:28] <crutchy> just write it for the most common readers i reckon
[12:53:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, nope. they get rendered as html tags still in some stuff.
[12:53:32] <chromas> wtf
[12:53:37] <crutchy> like web browsers?
[12:53:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> like liferea
[12:53:49] <chromas> that's totally a bug in liferea
[12:53:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> and browsers
[12:53:53] <chromas> listeria
[12:54:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> gonna give it another style of encoding real quick n check that
[12:54:22] <chromas> xml--
[12:54:22] <Bender> karma - xml: -1
[12:54:40] <chromas> base64 everything
[12:55:25] <crutchy> binaryctl encode atom_feed
[12:56:40] <crutchy> encode it in photos of dubstep cats
[12:56:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, how's rss look now?
[12:57:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> liferea likes it, moz hates it
[12:57:41] <crutchy> striptags++
[12:57:41] <Bender> karma - striptags: 2
[12:57:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> man if only i could
[12:58:16] <chromas> :/ don't see a change in Opera; both look good in akregator (kde thing)
[12:58:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> we do want to be able to have lt and gt in the titles though
[12:58:29] <crutchy> are there only certain tags givving you grief tmb?
[12:58:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, all tags
[12:59:04] <chromas> actually I guess they should need double-encoding since they're html-within-xml
[12:59:06] <chromas> xml--
[12:59:06] <Bender> karma - xml: -2
[12:59:16] <crutchy> if someone wants a blink tag in a title, they gunna just have to manually type &lt;blink&gt;
[12:59:26] <crutchy> maybe put a note on the form
[12:59:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, worse than that
[12:59:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh it renders on the site just fine
[12:59:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> this is only for the rss/atom feeds
[13:00:00] <crutchy> <gojira> tags have infected your pyewta with ebola?
[13:00:41] <chromas> atom looks fine in palemoon; rss shows entities
[13:00:49] <chromas> oh you already tested in that or ff
[13:01:03] <crutchy> just a left field idea; what about replacing tags with alternative characters?
[13:01:20] <crutchy> say <b>stuff</b> is replaced with *stuff*
[13:01:31] <crutchy> just for feeds
[13:01:39] <chromas> 〈〉
[13:01:47] <chromas> use these unicode brackets
[13:02:16] <chromas> 〈〉
[13:02:18] <crutchy> maybe <i>stuff</i> could be replaced with /stuff/
[13:03:03] <crutchy> and <h1>stuff</h1> could be replaced with (omgwtfbbq!)stuff(omgwtfbbq!)
[13:03:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[13:04:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm dunno
[13:04:27] <crutchy> and anything not recognized... is stripped >:-p
[13:04:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, too much work.
[13:04:48] <crutchy> work--
[13:04:48] <Bender> karma - work: -10
[13:05:15] <crutchy> void tags like <br> can be just stripped
[13:05:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, we may very well have to strip tags out
[13:05:25] <chromas> puts a "Best viewed with" sticker on the feed
[13:05:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> even faked tags
[13:05:47] <crutchy> nooooo! not <gojira> tags!
[13:06:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya cause i don't want <script> tags ever going in there with the way nothing parses the same
[13:07:01] <chromas> sounds like something web-based readers should be stripping on their own
[13:07:08] <crutchy> options are either strip all or replaced subset
[13:07:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> no subset. makes for squirrely code that's harder to maintain.
[13:07:39] <crutchy> striptags++ :p
[13:07:39] <Bender> karma - striptags: 3
[13:07:43] <chromas> it'll fit right in then
[13:08:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> believe it or not, site code's damned easy to maintain nowadays.
[13:08:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> feeds aside
[13:08:17] <crutchy> needs a new name then
[13:08:38] <crutchy> "slashcode" and "easy to maintain" are mutually exclusive
[13:08:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean if i can find what i'm looking for in seconds without an IDE, it's not that tough.
[13:09:01] <crutchy> i just use sagasu
[13:09:10] <crutchy> kicks ass
[13:09:13] <crutchy> sagasu++
[13:09:13] <Bender> karma - sagasu: 4
[13:09:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> gvim, grep, find
[13:09:31] <crutchy> sagasu++ # grep for dummies (like me)
[13:09:31] <Bender> karma - sagasu: 5
[13:10:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> ima hafta yack this over with pj later.
[13:10:14] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: either that or your mind is corrupted in a compatible fashion
[13:10:36] <chromas> slashd ruins your brain!
[13:10:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, my mind is corrupted in its very own unique fashion. slash couldn't dent it.
[13:10:44] <crutchy> you could always strip script tags and leave the rest to do as it will
[13:11:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> so <audio> can get in there and autoplay Barbie Girl from your feed reader?
[13:11:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, we want not tags in there i'm thinking
[13:12:50] <crutchy> or a little blacklist of tags, but that might be creeping into work territory :p
[13:13:26] <crutchy> i prolly prefer whitelist, but that's the 'replace subset' thing
[13:14:50] <crutchy> <gojira> tags might make some readers cause an explosion covering a three block radius
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[13:15:38] <crutchy> tmb, bytram will have the answer :)
[13:15:50] <mattie_p> coffee++
[13:15:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 900
[13:15:55] <crutchy> coffee++
[13:15:55] <Bender> karma - coffee: 901
[13:15:57] <mattie_p> hey folks
[13:16:09] <crutchy> ~g'day mattie_p
[13:16:10] * exec spontaneously postulates a cold can of $insert_beverage_here towards mattie_p
[13:18:08] <mattie_p> if its iced coffee I'll take it, a bit early for something stronger in my opinion
[13:19:51] <crutchy> iced_coffee++
[13:19:51] <Bender> karma - iced_coffee: 8
[13:20:11] <crutchy> pretty early here too
[13:20:25] <crutchy> barely morning
[13:20:57] <crutchy> how you been mattie_p?
[13:20:57] <ciri> very carefully and then some
[13:21:05] <crutchy> ciri is a trumpet
[13:21:39] <mattie_p> pretty good now, move is mostly over, new job, family is healthy. life is good
[13:23:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, mattie_p
[13:23:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:23:15] <Bender> karma - coffee: 902
[13:23:23] <mattie_p> Morning, TheMightyBuzzard
[13:27:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, i could totally swap them out for unicode chars
[13:28:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ≺tag≻ is close enough for me
[13:31:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, just gonna strip gt and lt entirely
[13:33:49] <ar> coffee--
[13:33:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 901
[13:33:51] <ar> tea++
[13:33:51] <Bender> karma - tea: 196
[13:35:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> afternoon, ar
[13:40:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> pew pew pew
[13:47:37] <ar> coffee--
[13:47:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 900
[13:47:40] <ar> :)
[13:47:56] <mattie_p> someone's just gotta be different
[13:49:13] <ar> someone's gotta be free from your black-sludge-overlord ;)
[13:49:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> i for one welcome our new black-sludge overlords
[13:49:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> had to be done
[13:51:23] <ar> http://www.smbc-comics.com
[13:51:23] <NetCraft> ^ 03Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal
[13:56:44] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[13:56:45] <NetCraft> ^ 03CNN Commentators Use Microsoft Surface as Kickstand for iPads - YouTube
[14:01:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NTFS Now Supported in ReactOS LiveCD - http://sylnt.us - native-support
[14:09:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++ #teh code, it is flow
[14:09:16] <Bender> karma - coffee: 901
[14:15:29] <crutchy> we need an irc poll for TFA departments
[14:15:47] <crutchy> for ones in the queue
[14:16:00] <crutchy> to help the editors come up with some options
[14:16:55] <crutchy> and some kind of feedback to editors in the admin console from the irc polls
[14:17:03] <crutchy> ^ hint hint tmb :D
[14:17:30] <crutchy> i could prolly bash together the irc part if need be
[14:17:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> you'd break things if i ever tied the actual site into irc =P
[14:17:42] <crutchy> mwahahaha
[14:17:49] <crutchy> oops did i say that out loud?
[14:17:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> like slap javascript in the dept suggestion
[14:18:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> goatse our poor eds
[14:18:09] <crutchy> lol
[14:18:10] <ciri> hehehe
[14:18:14] <crutchy> striptags++
[14:18:14] <Bender> karma - striptags: 4
[14:18:27] <crutchy> answer to all the world's problems :p
[14:19:15] <crutchy> wouldn't be hard to goatse the eds now anyway
[14:19:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure it would. it's not like they check the links =P
[14:19:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> joke, eds ^
[14:20:53] <crutchy> i think goatse (well the official one anyway) is dead
[14:21:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> well yeah
[14:21:49] <crutchy> some people just can't enjoy a nice gaping asshole
[14:22:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> !grab crutchy
[14:22:36] <Bender> Added quote 263
[14:22:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> !grab mikerotch
[14:22:59] <Bender> I don't know what mikerotch said, so I can't quote them!
[14:24:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> hate it when i finish something this early. still have a good coding hour or two left but don't wanna lose the shit be done high.
[14:26:26] <crutchy> api or coffee++ bot :p
[14:27:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee bot is final
[14:28:21] <crutchy> noooo! needs moar complexity :D
[14:29:01] <crutchy> ah crap 1.30am :/
[14:31:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> nite
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[14:44:59] <Blackmoore> mornin
[14:45:14] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[14:45:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 902
[14:55:08] <ar> coffee--
[14:55:08] <Bender> karma - coffee: 901
[14:55:09] <ar> tea++
[14:55:09] <Bender> karma - tea: 197
[15:01:24] <Blackmoore> mornin ar
[15:02:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> Blackmoore, mornin
[15:02:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[15:02:36] <Bender> karma - coffee: 902
[15:11:23] <Blackmoore> Sigh. we need some better articles.
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[15:20:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya well, slow news days happen sometimes
[15:28:32] <ar> coffee--
[15:28:32] <Bender> karma - coffee: 901
[15:28:33] <ar> tea++
[15:28:33] <Bender> karma - tea: 198
[15:28:36] <ar> http://www.pidjin.net - haha
[15:29:11] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[15:29:11] <Bender> karma - coffee: 902
[15:29:35] <Blackmoore> yeah, but we're getting more news / politics than tech/science
[15:29:51] <Blackmoore> i just noticed http://soylentnews.org
[15:29:52] <NetCraft> ^ 03Journal of AndyTheAbsurd (3958)
[15:30:36] <Blackmoore> I'm gonna see if theres anything andy found we can use
[15:30:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Bell Inequality: Fifty Years Later - http://sylnt.us - spooky-action
[15:36:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd sift through it some too but i don't much have the brain power anymore. coding mojo is winding down and taking my will to type with it.
[15:37:16] <nick> a hardware manufacturing company being reasonable
[15:37:22] * nick checks it's not april 1st
[15:37:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> did get this done though: http://tmbvm.ddns.net
[15:39:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's for getting other folks public user info. the one to get yer private info comes much later after I have auth done.
[15:39:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> here's one for ya though if you haven't seen it yet: http://www.phoronix.com
[15:39:55] <NetCraft> ^ 03[Phoronix] GnuPG 2.1.0 Supports ECC, Other Improvements
[15:43:01] <ar> i just hope it supports other algos/curves, than just ecdsa
[15:43:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm happy it does anything to tell the truth. it's a bit behind the times
[15:46:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like they use the NIST P-256 curve
[15:46:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> but it depends on libgcrypt which are available
[15:51:44] <Blackmoore> TMB - yours is submitted
[15:52:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> nifty. readin the last issues of naruto now
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[16:10:16] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[16:10:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> done with coding for the day, done with naruto for the ever...
[16:11:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> gotta find something else to do now
[16:25:42] <cykros> wow, i see why people don't like el reg...today's headline "Myth of the Malware-free Macs is DEAD"
[16:25:56] <cykros> every single time something hits os x
[16:25:59] <cykros> they feel the need to point that out.
[16:26:04] <cykros> for the last like, 6 years anyway
[16:26:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't like it cause of their comments
[16:26:44] * cykros still follows it in the ol' RSS reader but hasn't engaged in commentary there
[16:26:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> not interested in being moderated
[16:27:13] <cykros> ahh, yea, outside of soylent, reddit, and pipedot, i don't do much commentary anyway
[16:27:19] <cykros> can't be asked to log in
[16:27:29] <cykros> (frankly, i usually just post as AC on pipedot for that reason too)
[16:28:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> not i. i'm always me cause i like my shat displayed just so.
[16:28:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> miss out on a LOT of comment customization if you're not logged in. would bug the piss out of me.
[16:28:37] <cykros> heh, well, my browser is set to paranoid...if i blink my cookies are cleared :-P
[16:28:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> yerk
[16:28:54] <cykros> not literally, heh
[16:29:07] <cykros> but being logged in is usually something i don't bother with unless i'm spending some time
[16:29:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> screw em, they're gonna track ya regardless
[16:29:27] <cykros> heh, may as well give them some fun doing so
[16:29:46] <cykros> i particularly like the trackmenot plugin...sends a bullshit request to google based on random words in headlines once a minite
[16:29:49] <cykros> minute*
[16:30:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder why
[16:30:23] <cykros> oh, that's the point. just ups the noise
[16:30:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg
[16:31:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> too easy to track folks even if they do everything right.
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[16:31:32] <cykros> sure. but at the same time, i'd rather at least have the semblence of paranoia all the time
[16:31:37] <cykros> than only be paranoid when i have cause to be
[16:31:44] <cykros> as the sharp shift would be a dead giveaway
[16:32:49] <cykros> i definitely don't go for a full watertight policy for day to day stuff
[16:32:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you wanna be proper paranoid, use a VM of winders 7, set to 1024x768 resolution, use the current version of IE, use a VPN, and reset the VM to a known good state regularly.
[16:34:05] <cykros> eh, if i'm trying to be proper paranoid, first step is not being booted up to my everyday system in the first place
[16:34:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> almost nothing identifiable there to track and if they do store something to track you with, it's gone next time you roll back the vm
[16:34:19] <cykros> ideally, not using my hardware either
[16:34:21] <cykros> or rather
[16:34:31] <cykros> not hardware i've used before but at the same time has never left my control
[16:34:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> wouldn't matter if you're using a vm
[16:34:53] <cykros> *based on known data
[16:34:59] <cykros> gotta account for the unknowables
[16:35:08] <cykros> though, admittedly, that way lies the padded walls
[16:35:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't look past the vm's hardware to know what's really there.
[16:35:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[16:35:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> ideally use a vpn then go through TOR
[16:36:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly i just don't bother unless i'm looking up explosives or EMP devices or similar
[16:41:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> speaking of, i need to find myself something cheap that's roughly as finicky as a computer to an EMP so i can test without burning up expensive hardware.
[16:49:02] <Konomi> http://www.misfile.com
[16:49:04] <NetCraft> ^ 03Book #18 - Misfile
[16:49:05] <Konomi> yummy reality
[16:52:41] <ar> hehe
[16:52:44] <ar> nice one
[17:24:28] <Blackmoore> *sigh*
[17:24:43] <Blackmoore> FCC just leaked the "net neutrality rules"
[17:30:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Running 100 Apps at Once is No Biggie - http://sylnt.us - like-Coltrane-in-a-cutting-session
[18:10:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Internet Users! Get Angry and Get Active - http://sylnt.us - 4-corporations-speak-louder-than-4-million-people
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[20:10:49] <Blackmoore> can i replace Science with Sanity?
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[21:04:35] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:04:35] <Bender> karma - coffee: 903
[21:16:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[21:16:29] <Bender> karma - coffee: 904
[21:18:52] <crutchy> slept in thismorn :/
[21:23:15] <crutchy> h0wz t3h k0d3z?
[21:23:40] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[21:23:40] <Bender> karma - coffee: 905
[21:24:38] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:24:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 906
[21:24:57] <crutchy> first_coffee_of_the_day++
[21:24:57] <Bender> karma - first_coffee_of_the_day: 3
[21:25:24] <swiss> coffe--
[21:25:24] <Bender> karma - coffe: -2
[21:26:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> coding went well. got public user information sub out for the api
[21:28:23] <swiss> http://nypost.com
[21:31:11] <Blackmoore> nice
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[21:31:55] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard++
[21:31:55] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 106
[21:32:16] <crutchy> TGIF++
[21:32:16] <Bender> karma - tgif: 1
[21:32:37] <crutchy> workipoos--
[21:32:37] <Bender> karma - workipoos: -7
[21:32:47] <crutchy> cyas later o/
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