#Soylent | Logs for 2014-11-03

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[00:11:20] <SpallsHurgenson> https://www.youtube.com
[00:11:21] <NetCraft> ^ 03Daylight Saving - Movie Trailer - YouTube
[00:12:17] <juggs> .deop
[00:12:17] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o juggs] by juggler
[00:13:26] <crutchy> g'day juggs
[00:13:26] <ciri> hello, nice to see yea! crutchy
[00:14:04] <juggs> g'day crutchy - scrolled up at the mo skimming backlog
[00:16:01] <crutchy> ah
[00:21:11] <juggs> aaannndd done.
[00:21:18] <juggs> how's things crutchy?
[00:21:50] <crutchy> not too bad. just veggin on the couch with my boy watching inspector gadget
[00:21:57] <crutchy> took the day off work
[00:22:56] <juggs> I always forget you're many hours +
[00:23:06] <juggs> It's only ~just~ monday here
[00:23:41] <juggs> inspector gadget used to be fun iirc - is it still running or is it repeats?
[00:24:00] <juggs> been around a long time if it's still new epsiodes being churned out
[00:25:19] <crutchy> nah its just an old movie with matthew broderick i think
[00:25:30] <crutchy> or whatever the guys name is
[00:25:34] <crutchy> the worm guy
[00:26:11] <SpallsHurgenson> worm guy?
[00:26:58] <crutchy> from the godzilla movie
[00:27:18] <SpallsHurgenson> o_0
[00:27:26] <SpallsHurgenson> I need some of what crutchy is smokin'
[00:27:43] <crutchy> s/godzilla/gojira/
[00:27:43] <SedBot2> <crutchy> from the gojira movie
[00:29:20] <SpallsHurgenson> Godzilla 1998 is not Gojira.
[00:31:21] <juggs> ahh, no - I was thinking more of the animated shorts Mr Gadget kids shows
[00:32:04] <crutchy> juggs, i used to watch that when i was a kid. waaaay better
[00:32:14] <crutchy> new movies suck baws
[00:32:41] <crutchy> spalls, it was a play on what that dumb blonde in the movie says
[00:32:49] <SpallsHurgenson> "new"? The movie is 15 years old :)
[00:32:51] <crutchy> 'it's gojira you moron!'
[00:33:18] * crutchy feels old
[00:33:57] <crutchy> godzilla 1998 is new compared to godzilla 1985
[00:34:10] <crutchy> 1985 was a better movie
[00:34:19] * SpallsHurgenson meant the gadget movie. we don't talk about godzilla 1998 here :) :)
[00:34:25] <crutchy> lol
[00:34:51] <crutchy> i don't even know how old the gadget movie is. first time i saw it was with my kiddywinks :p
[00:37:15] <SpallsHurgenson> when I want to feel old, I compare the distance between when I was a kid and a major historical event (like WW2 or hippies), and the distance between that kid and who I am now. If the latter is greater than the former, I feel old :)
[00:37:30] <SpallsHurgenson> these days, it is very easy for me to feel old :)
[00:38:02] <crutchy> my kids make me feel old
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[00:38:20] <juggs> feel wise and experienced, rather than "old" :D
[00:38:21] <SpallsHurgenson> that's their job
[00:38:25] <crutchy> aww
[00:38:29] <crutchy> sedbots gone
[00:38:34] <SpallsHurgenson> that and to make you feel poor :)
[00:38:44] <crutchy> nah thats the missus' job :p
[00:38:49] <chromas> I guess we need FoobarBazbot to stop in and pick up the slack, hint hint hint
[00:38:58] <crutchy> yeah
[00:39:05] <crutchy> he's the awkish mage
[00:39:24] <chromas> (it also cut off the rest of the part message)
[00:39:27] <crutchy> or whatever the orc version of mage was
[00:39:52] <juggs> hmm... did we ever have irc over tor up and running?
[00:39:56] <crutchy> sedbotctl start FoobarBazbot
[00:41:33] * crutchy is intrigued by tor. not quite enough to try it (yet) though
[00:41:50] <SirFinkus> someone say Gojira?
[00:41:56] <SirFinkus> pretty good band
[00:42:08] <crutchy> they 'eat' the competition :p
[00:42:19] * SpallsHurgenson imagines Godzilla in a rock band
[00:42:29] <crutchy> thumping bass
[00:42:58] * SpallsHurgenson sees 'im with a red headband and a guitar, screaming into a microphone
[00:43:06] <crutchy> and a voice that's no more incomprehensible than most metal bands
[00:43:22] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[00:43:23] <NetCraft> ^ 03Gojira - Born In Winter [OFFICIAL VIDEO] - YouTube
[00:44:16] <crutchy> chromas, its handy having exec terminal on another screen. so much stuff seems to go on in the background
[00:44:23] * crutchy feels geeky
[00:44:59] <juggs> crutchy, it's slow as molasses. I've played around with it and ran a bridge for a few days just to see what the traffic hit would be (large). No way in all hell would I run an exit node on my home connection - that's asking for a dawn raid and all it gear taking for evidence of someone else's doings.
[00:45:34] <crutchy> yeah i think the attention its getting from authorities is keeping me away
[00:46:05] <crutchy> its funny that the NSA created it to keep under the radar and now its being used against them
[00:46:18] <crutchy> beaten at their own game
[00:46:26] <crutchy> by their own game :p
[00:46:42] <SirFinkus> thought tor was a navy project
[00:46:44] <SpallsHurgenson> seeing as the NSA seems to run half the exit nodes, I'm not sure it is :)
[00:47:00] <SpallsHurgenson> erm, beating them I mean
[00:47:17] <crutchy> are they decrypting the traffic through them?
[00:47:31] <juggs> grab a cheap vps (dig ocean or w/e) if you want to run an exit - and use it solely for that purpose - even the tor project ~strongly~ recommend not running an exit on your home connection
[00:47:35] <crutchy> tor traffic is out in the open anyway i thought
[00:47:46] <crutchy> anyone can sniff it
[00:48:00] <crutchy> decryption is the tricky bit
[00:48:11] <juggs> crutchy, the points of weakness are the entry and exit nodes
[00:48:33] <crutchy> don't they just unwrap one layer each?
[00:48:40] * crutchy is very sketchy on how it works
[00:49:00] <juggs> you have to be ~really~ stupendously careful not to unmask yourself.
[00:49:06] <SirFinkus> every connection goes through 3 layers
[00:49:08] <crutchy> or is 'exit node' the bit where it connects to the normal internets
[00:49:11] <SirFinkus> randomized
[00:49:27] <SirFinkus> the idea is that the layers only know 2 layers
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[00:49:49] <crutchy> seemed pretty secure cos of how successful silk road was at avoiding problems
[00:49:59] <SirFinkus> the entry only knows who you are and the mid node is, not the traffic or the final destination
[00:50:02] <juggs> until they didn't lol
[00:50:04] <Ethanol-fueled> seahawks-raiders game was good, but raiders got blown the fuck out.
[00:50:13] <crutchy> feds had to pull out all stops and only caught them with non-technical methods
[00:50:19] <juggs> like a candle in the wind EF?
[00:50:45] <crutchy> like pissing in the wind
[00:50:47] <Ethanol-fueled> juggs: unlike the Chorgers, the Raiders at least put up a fight.
[00:51:05] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, you should watch AFL
[00:51:14] <crutchy> mean beating each other up over a ball
[00:51:22] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy - I did. that's why I'm so angry today.
[00:51:22] <crutchy> without protecction
[00:51:36] <crutchy> ah
[00:52:04] <juggs> crutchy, it's not entirely clear how silk road got revealed. There's a lot of parallel construction theories wafting around. What the truth of the matter is, is anyone's guess really.
[00:52:11] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, men beating each other up over a ball looks stupid, but physical competition is the most pure form of human competition.
[00:52:26] <crutchy> at least they're not naked i guess
[00:52:37] * crutchy doesn't care much for AFL... its very corrupt
[00:52:43] <Ethanol-fueled> if you played football in high school like I did, you would understand.
[00:52:58] <crutchy> high school and regional footy is great
[00:53:09] <crutchy> AFL is more of a business than a sport
[00:53:19] <Ethanol-fueled> American football teaches one important life lessons...like how to take a hit full-speed.
[00:53:37] <crutchy> ah you mean American Football League?
[00:53:49] <crutchy> sorry i was thinking of Australian Football League
[00:53:55] <Ethanol-fueled> and why one must use violence to destroy their enemy.
[00:54:12] <crutchy> sun tzu begs to differ :p
[00:55:07] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, one of the lessons learned from Sun Tzu is that you must leave your opponent a way out.
[00:56:30] <crutchy> i can't remember tbh
[00:56:42] <crutchy> been a long time since i read anything about sun tzu
[00:56:58] <crutchy> became interested in it after playing civ 2 :p
[00:58:06] * Ethanol-fueled groans.
[00:58:43] <juggs> crutchy, this is tor in a nutshell https://www.torproject.org https://www.torproject.org
[00:58:51] <juggs> https://www.torproject.org
[00:58:52] <NetCraft> ^ 03Tor Project: Overview ( overview.html.en )
[00:59:09] <Ethanol-fueled> oh no, it;s juggs. Please don't beat me Juggs! * ducks*
[00:59:18] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[00:59:18] <NetCraft> ^ 03Jackyl - The Lumberjack - YouTube
[00:59:56] <juggs> oh yesh - I is big bad and scary!
[01:00:31] <crutchy> hmm those pics are very abstract
[01:00:51] <crutchy> like most encryption algorithm explanations i guess :p
[01:01:11] <juggs> then read the 3rd link lol
[01:01:15] <crutchy> i watched a doco on youtube about tor
[01:01:22] <juggs> conceptually it is very simple
[01:01:34] <Ethanol-fueled> mmm, women's pussies smell delicious.
[01:01:48] <Ethanol-fueled> so nasty.
[01:02:18] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[01:02:18] <NetCraft> ^ 03Jackyl - The Lumberjack - YouTube
[01:02:31] <silverly> alright, i need some tips, so ive been coming to work ('programmer'), and doing nothing(literally) for the last 6 weeks, and it looks like i have its gonna be the same for the next few months as well, any ideas what i could do in the meantime?
[01:02:46] <crutchy> program something
[01:02:58] <crutchy> best way to maintain job security is to keep busy
[01:03:22] <Ethanol-fueled> silverly, x = r * cos(theta)
[01:03:23] <crutchy> unless you work for government, in which case you may as well just veg :p
[01:03:37] <Ethanol-fueled> silverly, y = r * sin(theta)
[01:03:55] <crutchy> or rdrr
[01:04:01] <silverly> lol, ive just been doing uni assingments for the whole time
[01:04:03] <crutchy> har dee har har
[01:04:06] <silverly> or reading old man pages.
[01:04:07] <Ethanol-fueled> it's how the niggers do it.
[01:04:38] <crutchy> silverly, make an irc bot :d
[01:04:40] <crutchy> its fun
[01:04:54] <crutchy> we need moar bots
[01:04:57] <silverly> Ethanol-fueled, trig? I know that (at least to undergrad level ;D)
[01:05:00] <silverly> hmm
[01:05:14] <Ethanol-fueled> silverly: do it.
[01:05:37] <silverly> actually yeah, ive been meaning to do that, i wanted to learn perl for the kicks.
[01:05:39] <crutchy> better move onto differentiation of partial fractions
[01:05:47] <Ethanol-fueled> let all these socksuers lick your poenis.
[01:05:56] <juggs> silverly, EdX to kill some time :)
[01:06:04] <Ethanol-fueled> they will pump your chump./
[01:06:09] <crutchy> there's always pr0nz
[01:06:15] <juggs> or add some certification BS to your CV
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[01:06:52] * crutchy has avoided getting a job as a programmer out of fear of no longer enjoying it
[01:06:55] <Ethanol-fueled> Fucking faggots.
[01:06:56] <silverly> aye, i gotta find some real work soon
[01:07:03] <silverly> cant do nothing forever
[01:07:21] <crutchy> get an engineering degree and be totally awesome :)
[01:07:43] <Ethanol-fueled> get an engineering degree and draw hinges for life.
[01:07:46] <Ethanol-fueled> Bahahahahhaa
[01:07:46] <silverly> but i have a compsci degree (soon), and half way to maths
[01:07:57] <Ethanol-fueled> FUCKING NIGGERSUCKERS!
[01:08:03] * crutchy doesn't get to draw much
[01:08:05] <juggs> o.O
[01:08:12] <silverly> but i fucked up in every math final i every took (70% weighting each test is killer).
[01:08:26] <crutchy> i've got a job this week to check a door and some hinges lol
[01:08:28] <Ethanol-fueled> fuck off, juggs, I have a sight pointed at your brain.
[01:08:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> .kick Ethanol-fueled I'm an equal opportunity sucker, thanks
[01:08:34] -!- Ethanol-fueled was kicked from #Soylent by juggler!SN@services. [(TheMightyBuzzard) I'm an equal opportunity sucker, thanks]
[01:08:36] <silverly> but i get most of it (mostly).
[01:08:42] <crutchy> yeah i remember that silverly
[01:08:50] <crutchy> i even had some 80% exams
[01:08:54] <crutchy> pretty stressful
[01:08:55] <juggs> wow - TMB brought down the hammer lol
[01:09:13] <silverly> 80% is just fucking stupid
[01:09:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ya, I never get to so wanted to try it out.
[01:09:20] <silverly> like, really what are you testing.
[01:09:29] <crutchy> 5% for an assignment you spend 2 weeks on x 4
[01:09:38] <crutchy> then an 80% exam over 3 hours :/
[01:09:42] <silverly> TMB, no loss was had.
[01:10:10] <crutchy> most subjects were 60-70% though
[01:10:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> that was actually pretty tame for him. i almost feel a tiny bit bad.
[01:10:24] <crutchy> not too many 80%ers thank goodness
[01:10:32] <crutchy> that was SHIT University
[01:10:38] <crutchy> aero
[01:10:39] <juggs> lol TMB - I was mentally debating - you just pulled the trigger... it's nice not to be the ~only~ one doing the kicking and banning.
[01:10:40] <ciri> i missed it, what are you laughing at? >.>
[01:10:47] <silverly> yep, crutchy, it was the worst, and after failing for the (8th time) i said "ill do this myself so there is no fucked up final ill panic on"
[01:11:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i just kick cause he generally takes the hint.
[01:11:47] <crutchy> ~vote register kick-ef would you like Ethanol-fueled kicked today?
[01:11:59] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[01:12:05] <juggs> yup, seems so.. my previous klines were overkill, I'll readily admit that. We live and learn.
[01:12:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothin wrong with overkill. overkill is fun.
[01:12:55] <juggs> heh - don't really know if something works till you use it
[01:13:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't have the fun modelines powers anywho
[01:13:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> no doubt i could give em to myself but i'd hafta figure out how first and i just can't be arsed
[01:14:40] <juggs> oh wait... hang on a minute, I'm supposed to be an irc admin and get all uppity about feckin developers getting all above themselves and kicking people in some weird territorial nerd-rage now right?
[01:14:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.phoronix.com
[01:14:52] <NetCraft> ^ 03[Phoronix] Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition Is Out For Linux
[01:15:16] <crutchy> we need a botz0r arena
[01:15:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> Probably be missing out if you didn't, though technically i'm a sysadmin too even though i deny it as hard as i can.
[01:15:42] <juggs> sysadmin drop him at the firewall like a real man
[01:15:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> pj gave me da powah, i just don't want it.
[01:16:14] <crutchy> with great power comes great pains in the arse
[01:16:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth and truth
[01:16:48] <crutchy> i'm a happy pleb
[01:16:49] <SpallsHurgenson> please do not insert batteries rectally
[01:17:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, don't tell me what to do
[01:17:34] <SpallsHurgenson> okay, then insert batteries anyway you want :)
[01:17:38] <crutchy> it helps me get the shit in the code editor
[01:17:43] * TheMightyBuzzard nods his head
[01:17:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> right then.
[01:17:50] <SpallsHurgenson> just don't complain about power being a pain in the buttocks :)
[01:18:20] * TheMightyBuzzard goes mad with powah and switches everyone to the pwnies theme
[01:18:37] <SpallsHurgenson> so... very... piiiinnnnkkkk!
[01:20:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> all i wanted was the ability to bounce apache/mysql on dev and pj/NC went n gave me break everything at once ability.
[01:21:14] * juggs forces crutchy into irc staff role
[01:21:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> think about it, crutchy, you could kick ef too.
[01:22:12] <juggs> Yeah for some reason I got Editor perms on the SN site.. now I have to be really careful what I click on :D
[01:22:18] * TheMightyBuzzard applies peer pressure
[01:22:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't and it's saved me many a headache.
[01:23:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> course it's a matter of moments to manually edit my seclevel directly in the db but then i'd feel obliged to fix stuff i don't want to and ain't supposed to.
[01:24:23] <juggs> division of duty is essential to maintain order HUH!
[01:24:31] <SpallsHurgenson> go on, fix it! what could happen? fix it on the live server while you're at it :)
[01:24:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> right then
[01:25:12] * TheMightyBuzzard puts back the Alzheimers cock
[01:25:14] <SpallsHurgenson> "And that is how Skynet became sentient and started its war against humanity"
[01:26:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[01:26:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> we need a duckroll filter
[01:27:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> one that can just change arbitrary word pairs for display
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[01:32:03] <ethanol-fueled> uh-oh.
[01:32:11] <ethanol-fueled> Seahawks lost the game.
[01:32:40] <ethanol-fueled> I think I should hide. the community-at-large wants me dead.
[01:32:56] <ethanol-fueled> bye bye guys. see you later!
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[01:34:49] <SpallsHurgenson> nothing really new but still pretty fun to actually see https://www.youtube.com
[01:34:49] <NetCraft> ^ 03Brian Cox visits the world's biggest vacuum chamber - Human Universe: Episode 4 Preview - BBC Two - YouTube
[01:37:50] <crutchy> apparently brian cox is an arsehole
[01:38:06] <crutchy> but he's awesome on that doco series that he did a while back
[01:38:38] <crutchy> i loved watching that on tele
[01:38:46] <SpallsHurgenson> still, that's a nifty vacuum chamber... and its strangely awesome to watch the bowling ball and feathers drop at identical speeds :)
[01:39:11] <juggs> Ug gawd - Brian Cox. Clearly a bright chap no doubt, but his presentation style of being constantly "AMAZED" and "AWED", wide-eyed at everything is really effin annoying.
[01:39:42] * crutchy wonders how many times brian cox has used the word "billions"
[01:40:19] <juggs> I uspect that is more down to the producers of the progs rather than the guy himself - he is actually involved in serious researchy stuff.
[01:40:28] * crutchy has an american terminal window thing goin on
[01:40:32] <crutchy> red, white and blue :p
[01:40:32] <juggs> s/uspect/suspect/
[01:40:46] <crutchy> hmm
[01:40:51] * crutchy kicks sedbot
[01:41:02] <crutchy> chromas?
[01:41:05] <SpallsHurgenson> careful crutchy, or it might invade your other terminals :)
[01:41:09] <crutchy> chief-sedbot-officer
[01:41:17] <crutchy> lol
[01:41:17] <ciri> hahaha
[01:41:27] <crutchy> that's ok
[01:41:34] <crutchy> red, white and blue could also be russian :d
[01:42:15] <SpallsHurgenson> what? the US needs to trademark those colors! :)
[01:47:00] <paulej72> cracker whores are in the house.
[01:47:25] <SpallsHurgenson> some people would do anything for a Ritz
[01:49:35] <juggs> paulej72, they are?
[01:49:50] <paulej72> sure
[01:52:38] <crutchy> http://rt.com
[01:53:08] * crutchy kicks NetCraft
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[01:53:31] <crutchy> sedctl start NetCraft
[01:54:20] <paulej72> systemd start NetCraft
[01:54:23] <crutchy> paulej72, directions to the crack whores?
[01:54:43] <crutchy> #crackwhores maybe?
[01:54:52] <chromas> first join!
[01:55:15] <crutchy> chromas is the empire
[01:55:22] <crutchy> tama, chromas is the empire
[01:55:56] <crutchy> occupier of nation states... err, channels
[01:55:58] <chromas> crutchy: not only did it see your link, it also tried to +v sedbot when it came in :)
[01:56:12] <crutchy> oh?
[01:56:13] <paulej72> ↑↑↓↓←→←→BA
[01:56:18] <crutchy> is it not worka?
[01:56:28] <chromas> title in url
[01:56:38] * SpallsHurgenson gives paulej72 the keys to the internet
[01:56:43] <chromas> still haven't upgraded to the smarter detector
[01:57:04] <crutchy> title should be "Nazi ‘Arbeit macht frei’ sign stolen from Dachau concentration camp — RT News"
[01:57:47] <paulej72> quote qetting in the way
[01:57:58] <crutchy> damn quotes
[01:58:15] * crutchy goes looking for a page with bobby tables in the title >:-D
[01:59:11] * crutchy can't be mean to NetCraft cos chromas has super gawd powahs to exec
[01:59:26] <chromas> nah, if you can find a way to break it, go for it
[01:59:42] <chromas> (though it would be a plus to be let in on it :D )
[01:59:47] <crutchy> doesn't even use mysql for title lookup i think
[01:59:52] <paulej72> but i have supa god powaha to all of irc
[02:00:10] <crutchy> you might have super gawd powahs to exec too
[02:00:21] <crutchy> and xlefay and mrcoolbp i think
[02:00:56] <crutchy> and juggs
[02:01:09] <crutchy> $admin_accounts=array("xlefay","chromas","juggs","paulej72","mrcoolbp");
[02:01:18] <crutchy> hard_coding++
[02:01:18] <Bender> karma - hard_coding: 1
[02:01:25] <chromas> hard_coding++
[02:01:25] <Bender> karma - hard_coding: 2
[02:01:38] <paulej72> cool i never knew
[02:01:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Expert: Virgin 'Ignored' Space Safety Warnings - http://sylnt.us - rocket-science
[02:01:49] <juggs> that's fine and dandy - does it come with docs?
[02:02:00] <crutchy> ~
[02:02:01] <exec> http://sylnt.us
[02:02:15] <juggs> man exec seems non-performant :D
[02:02:29] <crutchy> lappy is a bit slow today :/
[02:02:36] <crutchy> even firefox is a turd :(
[02:02:57] * juggs whacks crutchy with a baguette - trust you to have a pre-rolled answer :P
[02:03:04] <paulej72> lets ddos it
[02:03:09] <crutchy> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[02:03:10] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03IRC:exec
[02:03:17] <chromas> crutchy: have you tried turning it off and deleting your system32?
[02:03:25] * crutchy shoves vibrator in exec to perk it up a bit
[02:03:39] <paulej72> delete systemd instead
[02:03:52] <crutchy> chromas, s/?/d?/
[02:03:52] <sedctl> <crutchy> <chromas> crutchy: have you tried turning it off and deleting your system32d?
[02:03:56] <exec> tingly
[02:04:41] <crutchy> there's a couple of @ aliases now, for operator only
[02:04:46] <chromas> systemd++ # it keeps my king in check
[02:04:46] <Bender> karma - systemd: -20
[02:04:50] <crutchy> haven't updated the wiki with those yet
[02:04:59] <chromas> @asplode
[02:05:51] <crutchy> eventually exec might have an authentication system comparable to slash :p
[02:06:11] <chromas> it doesn't break as easily though
[02:08:08] <crutchy> exec is breaking lately :/
[02:08:36] <chromas> needs moar buckets
[02:08:45] <crutchy> to collect the spew
[02:09:02] <chromas> bucket backup
[02:09:19] <crutchy> ~buckets-save
[02:09:20] <exec> successfully saved buckets file (18.3 kb)
[02:09:43] * chromas adds a size() method to hives
[02:09:48] <chromas> copy copy cop
[02:09:52] <chromas> +y
[02:10:13] <crutchy> :)
[02:10:23] * paulej72 put the buckets in a ram disk
[02:11:03] <crutchy> paulej72, buckets are just an array in the bot script
[02:11:29] <crutchy> filled by pipes :d
[02:11:46] <paulej72> we need to abstract that some more
[02:12:06] <crutchy> confuses me enough as it is
[02:13:36] <chromas> crutchy: make exec into a systemd plugin
[02:13:44] <chromas> then you can use sockets, pipes and dbus
[02:13:57] <crutchy> lol
[02:14:28] <crutchy> then i can take over the int3rnetz with mah botz0rg
[02:14:45] <crutchy> s/$/d/
[02:14:45] <sedctl> <crutchy> then i can take over the int3rnetz with mah botz0rgd
[02:20:29] <juggs> I suggest you need a middleware API between the buckets and the consumer level apps. Maybe two levels of middleware, call them lower and upper middleware each with an API to the other. This complexity is the ~ONLY~ way to make sure things are secure and sane.
[02:22:26] <juggs> My years of dealing with spaghetti applications in the corp world informs me that this is the way to go. Obscure the shit out of your database fields then present an api. That's absolute security right there. Or lock in... not sure which.
[02:24:54] <paulej72> ok i have an old app with a front end and server piece. i upgeade the server piece with off the shelf software. i the need to make a shim app so the new backend still talks to the front end.
[02:25:25] * crutchy like making shim apps
[02:25:36] <crutchy> there's always demand for them
[02:25:48] <paulej72> next we get a new front end, but because it was written to the old back end it has its own shim app as well
[02:26:06] * crutchy spanks paulej72's back end
[02:26:11] <paulej72> now we have a system with two shim apps
[02:26:32] <crutchy> sounds like you need shimctl
[02:26:41] <paulej72> thats how these things happen
[02:27:09] * SpallsHurgenson pops an antacid
[02:27:12] <crutchy> pronounced 'shim-kat-ar-el'
[02:27:39] <crutchy> shimctl press anykey
[02:27:54] <crutchy> shimctl ask which one's the any key
[02:28:49] <paulej72> nothing was obscure to begin with but after many upgrades the shit is impossible to navigat without a gps
[02:34:34] <crutchy> that's pretty much the definition of job security :D
[02:35:40] <crutchy> i developed an application that's used by all the engineers in the company i work for. documentation sucks, but that's not necessarily a bad thing for me
[02:35:58] <chromas> except when they replace you and hire someone else who has to dig into the mess
[02:36:13] <crutchy> true
[02:36:19] <crutchy> but thats only bad for them
[02:37:35] <crutchy> i have been trying to document it, but cos documentation is an overhead expense its not given much priority
[02:38:21] <chromas> they could open source it and put up a wiki ;)
[02:38:23] <SpallsHurgenson> only thing worse than trying to document a program is trying to document the business logic behind it
[02:38:27] <crutchy> eventually it will be replaced by an off-the-shelf product when one becomes available
[02:38:43] <crutchy> s/when/if/
[02:38:43] <sedctl> <crutchy> eventually it will be replaced by an off-the-shelf product if one becomes available
[02:38:57] <SpallsHurgenson> programs you can eventually understand... nobody understands business logic
[02:39:14] <chromas> does it count as logic?
[02:39:40] <SpallsHurgenson> no, no it does not
[02:40:10] <paulej72> it is business illogic
[02:42:06] <SpallsHurgenson> and just when you think you've finally figured it out (or at least arrived at a general consensus about how the business actually runs)... they go and change everything
[02:42:41] * SpallsHurgenson smashes something fury
[02:43:24] <paulej72> self mutilation is frowned upon
[02:43:25] <crutchy> SpallsHurgenson, s/r/rr/
[02:43:26] <sedctl> <crutchy> <SpallsHurgenson> smashes something furry
[02:43:28] <juggs> paulej72, I know how it happens, I have seen these things unfold first hand and it always ends in disaster when key people leave.
[02:44:28] <crutchy> me and another guy have changed development to gitflow since the previous system was a largely undocumented custom thing
[02:45:07] <crutchy> it worked, and its sort of still there to some extent, but its a bit easier to grasp now
[02:45:48] <SpallsHurgenson> if you can understand it, then you've got it wrong :)
[02:45:50] <juggs> oh.. my laptop boot woes... not the external monitor... the cheap-ass ps2-USB keyboard converter - causes a kernel panic that somehow makes GRUB go looking outside the confines of hd0. That gets my tinfoil hat all sparkly
[02:46:46] <chromas> I've had problems with BIOS not posting when some USB storage devices were plugged in
[02:46:48] <paulej72> ps2 to usb are teh evil
[02:48:40] <juggs> yah - I had to learn about Alt-Gr triple shift to find characters as the thing was mapped to some bastardised US keyboard layout. Still, it's good to learn. But now, I have a new k/b on order lol.
[02:49:31] <juggs> using laptop k/b under main screens is not ergonomic :(
[02:50:45] <crutchy> need moar screens
[02:52:50] <SpallsHurgenson> more screens! bigger screens! screens everywhere!
[02:53:34] <SpallsHurgenson> dozens of screens.... each with dozens of virtual desktops... each running dozens of virtual machines... each with dozens of desktops! Muahahahahaha!
[02:56:20] <crutchy> fly screens too!
[02:56:59] <juggs> I think to be effective, I need 3 screens - depending on the role 1 or 2 must be portrait orientation. Messes with my head forever jumping ttys
[02:57:16] <juggs> or vtys for the pedantic
[02:57:26] <SpallsHurgenson> the thing about screens, the more you get the more you realize you need. :)
[02:57:28] <crutchy> i use two 24" screens at work. seems to be enough, but for coding i like more
[02:57:46] <crutchy> seem to use more real estate for development
[02:58:22] <crutchy> usually a web browser, gedit, terminal, nautilus browser, xchat, etc
[02:58:26] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm at three and I could see three more above and another two to either side :) :)
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[02:58:46] <crutchy> aye focker!
[02:58:57] <SpallsHurgenson> just give me my gosh darn neural interface already :)
[02:59:06] <Ethanol-fueled> Man, the Brits are awesome.
[02:59:28] <Ethanol-fueled> I love the Brits.
[02:59:54] <crutchy> even the wrinkly old fart in buckinghuge palace?
[02:59:56] <juggs> crutchy, I find modern wide screens are annoying for code work - too much scrolling up and down
[03:00:27] <crutchy> juggs, i found a code explorer plugin for gedit
[03:00:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> i like being able to slap two or three files side by side though
[03:00:32] <crutchy> lists functions
[03:00:35] <chromas> wide_Screens--
[03:00:35] <Bender> karma - wide_screens: -1
[03:01:02] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: just think how much fileage you could see if they kep the height proportional?
[03:01:04] <juggs> TMB - good point on the wide side... Meld is good for that
[03:01:20] <paulej72> get some 30" screens
[03:01:23] <crutchy> saw something about window snapping feature in windows 10
[03:01:26] <crutchy> seems handy
[03:01:43] <crutchy> paulej72, my work is looking at 30"+ screens
[03:01:49] <crutchy> for CAD
[03:01:59] <crutchy> 4k too
[03:02:02] <crutchy> dunno why
[03:02:15] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, didn't Windows steal that "fuetaurea" from old unix features?
[03:02:27] <crutchy> dunno
[03:02:39] <crutchy> i liked the tile feature of windows 3.1
[03:02:41] <Ethanol-fueled> window snapping
[03:02:41] <paulej72> i have a few profs with dual 30s
[03:03:15] <Ethanol-fueled> pauley, theu're Italian Mafiosi.
[03:03:23] <juggs> fick it! I'm doing 17 screens, 80' each... I don't care if they fit, I'll put some on the roof if I have to, use them to pave the road outside, I don't care I need 17 80' screens. /hat-tip the onion
[03:03:45] <paulej72> i do not like them when i wear my glasses as i get prism artifacts from my periferal vision
[03:03:49] <Ethanol-fueled> juggs, that's not like you. You're scaring me.
[03:04:24] <Ethanol-fueled> It's as if your true name was not, in fact, "Kunta Kintae"
[03:04:52] <crutchy> SpallsHurgenson, http://i.stack.imgur.com
[03:05:17] <Ethanol-fueled> I like "Pauley" because Pauley is like the character from the movie "Darkman"
[03:05:45] <Ethanol-fueled> An angry Italian carrying a mean baseball bat
[03:06:02] <paulej72> where i grew up there was no kkk, they werer too stupid to spell it
[03:06:03] <ciri> out and about!! paulej72
[03:06:11] <crutchy> tmb is georgeous george of soylent :p
[03:06:37] <crutchy> 'e fuckin' 'ates pikeys
[03:06:40] * TheMightyBuzzard fuckin ates pikeys
[03:07:07] <Ethanol-fueled> hahah, fuck the pikeyes.
[03:07:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> do ave a caravan though
[03:10:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AskSoylent - Would anyone use a TORified IRC for SN? - http://sylnt.us - which-way-to-go?
[03:12:12] <SpallsHurgenson> crutchy: re:that picture - > that's a start :)
[03:14:12] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[03:14:12] <NetCraft> ^ 03Dethklok-Hatredcopter Music Video - YouTube
[03:14:52] <Ethanol-fueled> The hatredecopter ROCKS!!
[03:19:26] <crutchy> http://monet.cs.columbia.edu
[03:19:27] <NetCraft> ^ 03Multi Monitor Mouse
[03:20:47] <juggs> EF - I'm not supposed to be predictable. I'm playing the repressed Brit who randomly explodes into acts of untold violent rage, slamming some inopportune being's head repeatedly in a car door before calmly walking off and having a sandwich for lunch while reading the Telegraph and discussing the weather. "Not like me" does not apply. We're effin bred to psychos, it's encouraged here.
[03:22:01] <Ethanol-fueled> thsi is the HATREDCOPTER
[03:22:18] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[03:22:19] <NetCraft> ^ 03Dethklok-Hatredcopter Music Video - YouTube
[03:23:03] <Ethanol-fueled> juggs, that scares me.
[03:23:58] <Ethanol-fueled> and entices me...
[03:24:03] <Ethanol-fueled> mmm, yum.
[03:25:07] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHAHHHA, fuck yes, this makes me happy.
[03:25:52] <juggs> Ever wonder how such a small iddy island in the buttistan of oceans had an empire? Now you know. Bred to be effin psychos. Weird place.
[03:26:42] <Ethanol-fueled> juggs: ask your British Empire.
[03:26:59] <juggs> Something about being an island nation makes the natives very expansive and very cold.
[03:27:09] <Konomi> juggs you own your own british empire?
[03:27:11] <Konomi> cool
[03:27:20] <Ethanol-fueled> Juggs, listen to Konomi.
[03:27:24] <juggs> EF - I would but it collapsed before I was born
[03:27:42] <Ethanol-fueled> Not really, sod boy.
[03:27:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahahahheehehooooo!
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[03:28:38] * juggs listens to Konomi as advised
[03:29:01] <Konomi> give me your bank details
[03:29:02] <Konomi> ;p
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[03:29:34] <juggs> only if you claim to be a Nigerian prince with a gadjillion to dispense
[03:29:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Nope. gramma wants nothing to do with it it.
[03:30:31] <Ethanol-fueled> grrrrrryoWRRRRRRR
[03:30:39] <Ethanol-fueled> FUCK YOU NIGGERS.
[03:30:51] <Ethanol-fueled> *FLIPS THE BIRD****
[03:33:24] <Ethanol-fueled> grrrrrurrrrrrrffrrr
[03:33:52] <Ethanol-fueled> hatredcopter
[03:34:17] <JamesNZ> Ethanol-fueled: s/hatred/rofl/
[03:34:17] <sedctl> <JamesNZ> <Ethanol-fueled> roflcopter
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[03:36:54] <Konomi> much mad so wow
[03:37:21] <juggs> many coin hash now! many wow! much richness!
[03:45:33] <crutchy> seriously considering buying this: http://www.bhphotovideo.com
[03:45:34] <NetCraft> ^ 03XFX Force Radeon R7 260X Core Edition Graphics Card R7-260X-CNF4
[03:45:51] <crutchy> locally though
[03:49:31] <Landon> I bet it weighs more than the tv we just bought >.>
[03:49:48] <Landon> I swear the thing can't be more than 1 pound.... wallwart is about the same weight
[03:50:42] <silverly> windows--
[03:50:42] <Bender> karma - windows: -11
[03:50:48] <silverly> windows--
[03:50:48] <Bender> karma - windows: -12
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[04:04:27] <juggs> are the OS wars still going on? Are we still wibbling around talking about M$ and Micro$oft? I thought the world moved on... but then I have been under a rock for a decade or so, I may be uninformed.
[04:05:01] <crutchy> nah microsoft is losing now so nobody gives a rats
[04:05:17] <crutchy> they making money still, but they don't have a monopoly
[04:05:23] <SpallsHurgenson> eiuu, radeon
[04:06:08] <crutchy> apparently it works out of the box with open source driver and arandr setup
[04:06:26] <crutchy> with triple head
[04:11:12] <Landon> heh, it's not branded AMD on that page
[04:13:16] <Konomi> nobody cares about microsoft they're a non topic
[04:13:32] <Konomi> and apple topics consist of *^&^& they broke my 3g with the ios 8 upgrade!
[04:13:34] <Konomi> etc
[04:13:42] <Konomi> linux is *&^^ systemd kills babies
[04:13:49] <Konomi> the end
[04:15:24] <crutchy> landon, you mean the graphics card?
[04:16:35] <Landon> crutchy: yeah
[04:16:44] <crutchy> prolly chinese ripoff
[04:16:50] <crutchy> i only buy local
[04:16:51] <Landon> no, it's the same on newegg
[04:16:55] <crutchy> oh?
[04:17:01] <Landon> they just don't have "AMD Radeon" on the product name
[04:17:20] <Landon> I could have sworn they used to say things like "XFX ATI Radeon", I wonder if the AMD name caused too much confusion
[04:17:36] <crutchy> dunno
[04:17:47] <crutchy> i usually get nvidia
[04:17:57] <crutchy> but i want a single card with triple head
[04:18:19] <crutchy> realistically i prolly need a new mobo/cpu/ram/psu combo too :(
[04:18:43] <Landon> hah
[04:18:58] <Landon> I finally went double monitor sat home again
[04:18:59] <Landon> sooo nice
[04:19:08] <Landon> that and a game that supports windowed fullscreen
[04:19:10] <Landon> giggidy
[04:19:19] <crutchy> double monitor is good
[04:19:39] <crutchy> though tbh i'm not into gaming much
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[04:34:53] <crutchy> russia and now iran
[04:34:55] <crutchy> http://online.wsj.com
[04:36:39] <SpallsHurgenson> just so long as I can free and unfettered internet in North Korea!
[04:39:11] <SpallsHurgenson> Kim Jong-un's porn stash is the envy of the free world!
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[04:58:15] * juggs briefly hugs Konomi then runs the hell out of jugular removal range
[04:58:26] <Konomi> rawr +.+
[05:03:08] * JamesNZ gingerly pokes Konomi with a 10 foot pole
[05:03:22] <juggs> foool
[05:03:49] <JamesNZ> D:
[05:04:22] <juggs> monty python - killer rabbit
[05:10:12] <juggs> I think we got away with it that time... just don't mention the war.
[05:10:34] * juggs evaporates
[05:11:39] <JamesNZ> Phew.
[05:16:12] <crutchy> rawr++
[05:16:12] <Bender> karma - rawr: 1
[05:16:23] <crutchy> ~define rawr
[05:16:25] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3Rawr: A word that means "I Love You" in dinosaur.
[05:16:32] <crutchy> ¿
[05:20:46] <JamesNZ> <3
[05:23:50] <chromas> ~define ☕
[05:23:56] <exec> [wikipedia] 3☕: Drinks, or beverages, are liquids specifically prepared for human consumption. In addition to basic needs, beverages form part of the culture of human society. Although most beverages, including juice...
[05:24:18] <chromas> wikipedia++
[05:24:18] <Bender> karma - wikipedia: 2
[05:34:16] <Konomi> http://vimeo.com
[05:34:17] <NetCraft> ^ 03DIE YOUNG- Fan Animated on Vimeo
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[06:08:49] <Konomi> totally haven't played this like 1000x
[06:20:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Sandworm Exploit Uses PowerPoint Attachment Against Swiss Bank Customers - http://sylnt.us - patch-whose-day?
[06:42:37] <chromas> The Spice is vital to bank robbery
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[07:02:28] <ar> coffee--
[07:02:28] <Bender> karma - coffee: 880
[07:02:30] <ar> tea++
[07:02:30] <Bender> karma - tea: 185
[07:39:05] <Alberto> crutchy wtf http://www.theregister.co.uk
[07:40:22] <crutchy> our politicians are retarded. all of them
[07:40:39] <Alberto> i can see
[07:40:40] <Alberto> :S
[07:40:41] * crutchy is watching a rand paul speech
[07:40:49] <crutchy> you guys should vote for him
[07:40:51] * Alberto is watching pr0n news
[07:41:03] <Alberto> I'm living on Mexico i don't vote.
[07:41:25] <crutchy> i don't vote in australia, but if i were american i would vote for rand paul
[07:41:38] <Alberto> Who's that dude?
[07:41:43] <Alberto> porn dealer?
[07:41:47] <crutchy> i would vote for his old man first, but rand has a lot of his dad's ideas
[07:42:11] <crutchy> he's a republican, but he's not a neocon moron like a lot of republicans
[07:42:28] <crutchy> hes libertarian
[07:43:02] <crutchy> in america you're either republican or democrat or you don't get anywhere in politics
[07:43:20] <crutchy> so i think republican is more of a ticket in the door for rand
[07:43:25] <crutchy> (same as for his dad)
[07:44:08] <crutchy> i think they are kinda old school republican, but a lot of americans dont seem to even know what that means anymore
[07:44:53] <crutchy> ron_paul++ # he should be dragged out of retirement and forced to run for president :p
[07:44:54] <Bender> karma - ron_paul: 1
[07:46:04] <crutchy> america needs someone with conservative economic views to control government spending. you need it so bad. other countries need it too, even australia, but america needs it more
[07:47:45] <Alberto> i don't like populism
[07:47:47] <Alberto> :/
[08:04:06] <chromas> hah; on the side of that article, there's a link to that article
[08:04:18] <chromas> but with the eye of Sauron
[08:10:07] <chromas> :( "palemoon was interrupted by a Bus Error"
[08:11:38] <ar> chromas: http://arachnist.is-a.cat
[08:12:15] <chromas> well hey I got that systemd-coredump issue now
[08:12:26] <ar> chromas: http://arachnist.is-a.cat
[08:12:31] <chromas> 99% or one core
[08:12:42] <chromas> lol
[08:15:12] <chromas> sending it a 1 stopped it. Used to use 15s and 9s. Now I've learned the power of 1
[08:16:54] <ar> HUP
[08:18:40] * chromas goes looking for things to open because tab sessions in pm/ff have always had Alzheimer's at all times
[08:19:13] <chromas> grapes++
[08:19:13] <Bender> karma - grapes: 2
[08:25:10] <crutchy> ive heard of hup recently
[08:25:14] <crutchy> ~define hup
[08:25:17] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3hup: An expression that may be used in nearly every social situation that arises. This is a term that in all occasions should be kept away from significant others. Period.
[08:25:23] <chromas> hang up
[08:25:44] <chromas> apparently some daemons reload their config when they hear it
[08:25:54] <crutchy> ooh are we talking rs232 or something?
[08:26:00] <crutchy> serial++
[08:26:00] <Bender> karma - serial: 1
[08:26:35] <chromas> it's the signal exec would get if you closed your ssh session
[08:26:41] <chromas> without using screen/tmux
[08:26:56] <crutchy> ah
[08:27:01] <crutchy> process signals
[08:27:02] <chromas> You hung up on it so it stomped its hooves off into the bedroom and slammed the door
[08:27:14] <crutchy> like the bitch it is :p
[08:27:43] <crutchy> i should cull a lot of the crap out of it
[08:27:47] <crutchy> would prolly run better then
[08:28:06] <chromas> put absolutely everything you possibly can into buckets
[08:28:06] <crutchy> its trying to be the systemd of bots
[08:28:13] <crutchy> and sucking bad
[08:28:34] <chromas> exec isn't polarizing like systemd
[08:29:09] <ar> there's nothing polarizing about systemd
[08:29:09] <chromas> so you're right, it does suck at beind systemd :)
[08:29:14] <ar> it just sucks.
[08:29:25] <ar> everyone knows that
[08:29:26] <chromas> ar: some people think it's the best thing in the universe
[08:29:30] <crutchy> tbh i'm not overly confident in buckets. they seem to work really well most of the time, but i need to develop that unit testing script to test the shit out of it every time i make a change
[08:29:50] <crutchy> systemd doesn't really bother me
[08:29:52] <ar> chromas: they need to lurk moar^W^Wlearn more
[08:29:54] * chromas imagines LP making sweet, sweet love to systemd at night
[08:29:58] <crutchy> i'm only using a small part of it though
[08:30:20] <chromas> crutchy: keep the interface, change the store
[08:30:31] <chromas> throw in some good ol' rdbms
[08:30:41] <crutchy> stdin/stdout is quick
[08:31:16] <chromas> you can still do that; just write to a socket instead of a pipe
[08:31:37] <crutchy> i thought about using files, but the multi-process nature means there would bee high risk of scripts trodding on each others toes
[08:31:51] <crutchy> socket to mysql?
[08:32:00] <chromas> yeah
[08:32:04] <chromas> that's how it works anyway
[08:32:11] <crutchy> dont need socket for mysql in php
[08:32:14] <crutchy> there's pdo
[08:32:31] <crutchy> might end up going that way i guess
[08:33:08] <crutchy> rdms seemed a bit overblown for what boils down to a simple one-dimensional array
[08:33:38] <chromas> if you boil long enough, everything's a 1d array
[08:33:50] <chromas> besides, don't you want moar complexity? :D
[08:34:35] <chromas> or buckets could have checksums
[08:34:45] <chromas> at least the bigger ones
[08:34:50] <chromas> would slow it down a little
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[08:46:05] <crutchy> i kinda wanna make it really simple
[08:46:12] <crutchy> actually the bot itself is pretty simple
[08:46:27] <crutchy> could be tidied up a bit prolly
[08:46:52] <crutchy> hmm
[08:47:08] * crutchy just thought of something that would be *really* geeky
[08:47:10] <chromas> if php supports file locking then you could go the files way
[08:47:18] <chromas> geeky++
[08:47:18] <Bender> karma - geeky: 1
[08:47:31] <crutchy> two laptops with two screens :D
[08:47:54] <crutchy> for a psuedo 4 screen nerdstation :p
[08:48:13] <crutchy> i just need to install synergy
[08:48:26] <crutchy> for single mouse/kb madness
[08:48:52] * crutchy looks at the size of the coffee table
[08:49:23] <crutchy> hm i'd prolly have to migrate to my desk to do that
[08:49:39] <crutchy> fuck that for a joke
[08:49:41] <chromas> You'll just have to go build a stand to hold the monitors above the laps
[08:49:45] <crutchy> couch_development++
[08:49:45] <Bender> karma - couch_development: 1
[08:50:03] <chromas> woodworking++
[08:50:03] <Bender> karma - woodworking: 1
[08:50:51] <crutchy> my exec screen feels pretty geeky
[08:52:22] <crutchy> ARandR++
[08:52:23] <Bender> karma - arandr: 1
[08:53:53] <chromas> that's something enlightenment is buggy about
[08:55:12] * chromas looks at xfce themes
[08:55:30] <crutchy> i honestly didn't think ubuntu could be as gay as it is
[08:55:51] <crutchy> its based on debian, so i thought "oh yeah maybe a few different icons etc"
[08:55:56] <crutchy> boy was i wrong
[08:56:07] <chromas> you can still use xfce or whatever
[08:56:11] <crutchy> they took debian and covered it in concrete
[08:56:20] <chromas> with aids
[08:56:20] <crutchy> yeah but then it would be debian :p
[08:56:30] <crutchy> debian++
[08:56:30] <Bender> karma - debian: 40
[08:56:39] <chromas> debian++
[08:56:39] <Bender> karma - debian: 41
[08:57:16] <crutchy> i started trying to strip all the shit out of it, but the more i got into it the more i realised i was just trying to make it more like debian anyway
[08:57:36] <crutchy> panels++
[08:57:36] <Bender> karma - panels: 3
[09:09:31] <crutchy> when i was a kid we had 2 cats. one of them had phases of snuggling
[09:09:52] <crutchy> phase 1 was when it would rub up against your leg or hop on your lap and snuggle
[09:10:13] <crutchy> phase 2 was when it would get in your face
[09:10:27] <crutchy> phase 3 involved dribbling
[09:11:24] <chromas> (irreverent joke about a wet pussy)
[09:11:30] <crutchy> lmao
[09:12:15] <crutchy> oops i'm not where i thought i was :/
[09:12:53] <chromas> sudo passwd root
[09:13:51] <crutchy> sudo root wet pussyd
[09:14:36] <crutchy> exec terminal goes spastic when the comment feed starts up
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[09:53:56] <crutchy> hi KonomiNetbook
[09:53:56] <ciri> hello crutchy
[09:54:03] <Konomi> hello ciri
[09:54:04] <ciri> hi there Konomi
[09:54:17] * crutchy puts a buttpipe in ciri
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[10:38:39] <Leebert> Vegas: be surprisingly quiet
[10:39:08] <chromas> sonic_foundry++
[10:39:08] <Bender> karma - sonic_foundry: 1
[10:43:40] <crutchy> people running out of gambling monies
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[11:08:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:08:16] <Bender> karma - coffee: 881
[11:36:29] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:36:30] <Bender> karma - coffee: 882
[11:37:54] <crutchy> tmb, what do you think of a slashbox showing the last few lines from #soylent?
[11:38:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think it'd require ajax if you wanted it to be current
[11:39:00] <crutchy> or codemonkey
[11:39:18] <crutchy> whatever that thing that's used to get comments
[11:39:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> scuse me whilst i queue that up now
[11:40:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i spose we could always tail the saved logs
[11:40:46] * TheMightyBuzzard think maybe crutchy wanna write goddamn login page himself
[11:41:13] <crutchy> login page?
[11:41:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> !?!?!?!? https://www.youtube.com
[11:41:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> how can you NOT know that song by heart?
[11:42:56] <crutchy> never heard of it
[11:44:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> anthem of code monkeys everywhere, how did you miss this?
[11:45:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> also, guy does an awesome zombie song. https://www.youtube.com
[11:45:39] <NetCraft> ^ 03Jonathan Coulton's Re: Your Brains - YouTube
[11:45:43] <crutchy> i'm just an engineer
[11:51:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> am that or am that not a brilliant zombie song?
[11:59:53] <Popeidol> skullcrusher mountain is also good
[11:59:59] <Popeidol> but then so is basically everything of his
[12:00:47] <Popeidol> but all coders should definitely know code monkey
[12:01:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SpaceShip Two’s Tail “Feather” Brake Malfunctioned 2 Seconds before Breakup - http://sylnt.us - post-mortem
[12:02:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[12:14:22] <crutchy> i'm just an amateur
[12:14:30] <crutchy> so i have an excuse :p
[12:15:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> well now you've heard it and don't need one.
[12:20:22] * TheMightyBuzzard 's code not functional or elegant
[12:21:34] * crutchy 's brain is not functional or elegant and would make zombies sick till they dieed from it
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[12:25:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, comments done. on to... journals i think. they should be significantly faster than submissions.
[13:03:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh, journals are all fucked up. stripping is done BEFORE entry into the db
[13:06:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> or possibly not being done at all, not sure
[13:07:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, definitely being done or quotes would have screwed it up
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[13:35:39] * TheMightyBuzzard grumbles
[13:36:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> got the text entry areas sorted but yeesh, the logic is entirely backwards for journals.
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[14:01:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, journals semi-sorted. want to have a second look at plaintext and html strips.
[14:02:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, those actually look okay
[14:02:52] * TheMightyBuzzard chatters away to himself
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[14:20:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Update: China Will Upgrade All Gov't PCs to Linux by 2020 - http://sylnt.us - glorious-five-year-plan
[14:25:33] <ar> communist poland was full of "glorious five-year plans"
[14:27:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> near as i can tell, everywhere is. each of them more likely than the last to fuck things up.
[14:30:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, only 8:30 and i'm already feeling done-ish for the day.
[14:32:10] * CoolHand is glad he normally has maximum one day plans..
[14:33:41] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I think I’ll look into changing plaintext to not use brs, Hopefully when I get home this evening
[14:35:03] <Landon> how long until markdown in journals? :>
[14:41:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> markdown? later to never.
[14:42:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, okay, i'll pull request what I have then and hopefully we won't step on each others' toes too much both editing Data.pm
[14:58:44] <Konomi> http://www.phoronix.com
[14:58:45] <NetCraft> ^ 03[Phoronix] Mozilla Is Launching A New Web Browser Targeting Developers
[14:58:58] <Konomi> this video shows everything that is wrong with mozilla's mentality
[14:59:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> they should launch one targeting users next
[15:01:43] <Konomi> if anyone has a google plus account
[15:01:47] <Konomi> please put something like
[15:01:51] <Konomi> "Needs more explosions"
[15:04:15] <Popeidol> delightfully, that video decided to open with chromium instead of the default firefox
[15:06:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> you saying michael bay is running mozilla nowadays?
[15:06:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> this would explain a lot.
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[15:09:58] <Blackmoore> mornin
[15:10:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin
[15:10:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[15:10:06] <Bender> karma - coffee: 883
[15:10:06] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[15:10:06] <Bender> karma - coffee: 884
[15:10:30] <Blackmoore> what's up?
[15:10:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, got to work early and burnt all my mojo early
[15:11:40] <Blackmoore> doh
[15:11:59] <Blackmoore> i thought i was working late shift. i'm not.
[15:12:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> bummer, no slacking around on irc for you then.
[15:14:53] <Blackmoore> we'll see. i worked late thurs and friday. there shouldnt be a whole lot today.
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[15:41:59] <ar> http://arachnist.is-a.cat
[15:42:03] <ar> coffee--
[15:42:03] <Bender> karma - coffee: 883
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[15:46:55] <Blackmoore> mornn ar
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[15:51:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FBI Demands New Powers - http://sylnt.us - trust-us
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[16:29:20] <Blackmoore> AC or DC? or are they running on soomething moree esoteric than elecrical power?
[16:30:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Mathematics of Cthulhu - http://sylnt.us - eternal-lieing
[16:34:11] <ar> tea++
[16:34:11] <Bender> karma - tea: 186
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[17:27:18] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[17:27:18] <Bender> karma - coffee: 884
[17:28:14] <Blackmoore> i'd like to start shouting at the FBI article. but frankly I'm sure noone wants to hear it.
[17:30:47] <Leebert> This is why I hate vacation; I don't have anywhere near as much time to rant on the Internet. :(
[17:33:27] <Blackmoore> i don't usually rant. but i'm grumpy enough today to want to
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[17:38:10] <geotti> tea++
[17:38:10] <Bender> karma - tea: 187
[17:38:19] <geotti> soup++
[17:38:19] <Bender> karma - soup: 1
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[18:21:00] <crutchy> coffee++
[18:21:00] <Bender> karma - coffee: 885
[18:31:52] <ar> coffee--
[18:31:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 884
[18:31:55] <ar> chocolate++
[18:31:55] <Bender> karma - chocolate: 11
[18:31:57] <ar> tea++
[18:31:57] <Bender> karma - tea: 188
[18:36:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> tea++
[18:36:16] <Bender> karma - tea: 189
[18:36:20] <AndyTheAbsurd> tits++
[18:36:20] <Bender> karma - tits: 1
[18:51:37] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[18:51:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 885
[18:51:47] <Blackmoore> rum++
[18:51:47] <Bender> karma - rum: 23
[18:51:57] <Blackmoore> bacon++
[18:51:57] <Bender> karma - bacon: 266
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[18:52:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - These 7 Countries Will Give You a College Education for Free - http://sylnt.us - got-your-passport-all-squared-away
[18:54:36] <ar> tea++
[18:54:36] <Bender> karma - tea: 190
[18:54:38] <ar> coffee--
[18:54:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 884
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[19:31:30] <Blackmoore> water++
[19:31:30] <Bender> karma - water: 16
[20:04:19] <chromas> Do those 7 countries use this one weird trick and do the big name universities hate them for it?
[20:21:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tuesday: Political Spam Blocking Plans? - http://sylnt.us - approved-this-message
[21:20:49] <chromas> water++
[21:20:49] <Bender> karma - water: 17
[21:33:48] <crutchy> straya has HELP. i dunno how it works
[21:34:39] <crutchy> http://www.aph.gov.au
[21:34:40] <NetCraft> ^ 03Higher Education Loan Program (HELP): a quick guide – Parliament of Australia
[21:35:13] <crutchy> they make it so complicated that its hard to even criticize it in the media cos nobody has any idea how it actually works :p
[21:36:43] <ar> tea++
[21:36:43] <Bender> karma - tea: 191
[21:36:48] <ar> coffee--
[21:36:48] <Bender> karma - coffee: 883
[21:36:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> be real now, when has that ever stopped anyone from criticizing anything?
[21:36:50] <ciri> me too, smoke time! TheMightyBuzzard
[21:37:33] <crutchy> i think the nuts and bolts of it is that if you earn over a threshold the tax office starts reducing your tax return
[21:37:49] <crutchy> and you pay some interest
[21:38:06] <crutchy> is that how stuff works in the USA?
[21:40:50] <crutchy> the democraps would love the aussie education system cos it favors the poor... they'd just ignore the fact that poor kids generally get shut out of university by entry score requirements
[21:42:23] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[21:42:23] <Bender> karma - coffee: 884
[21:42:30] <Blackmoore> bacon++
[21:42:30] <Bender> karma - bacon: 267
[21:42:32] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:42:32] <Bender> karma - coffee: 885
[21:42:38] <crutchy> brekky++
[21:42:38] <Bender> karma - brekky: 1
[21:42:55] <crutchy> four_day_weekend++
[21:42:55] <Bender> karma - four_day_weekend: 1
[21:48:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> nobody gets shut out of higher ed over here. everyone and their dog has a fucking degree. and it means shit to nothing in them finding a job.
[21:48:44] <Blackmoore> yup.
[21:49:08] <Blackmoore> i've met many people with BS degrees working McDonalds
[21:49:23] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[21:49:23] <Bender> karma - coffee: 886
[21:49:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> or geography/english lit/some history or other/and the big one, liberal arts.
[21:50:16] <Blackmoore> i've also met more people in finance who have liberal arts degrees than economics
[21:50:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Atrocity Next Door - http://sylnt.us - south-of-the-border
[21:51:17] <Blackmoore> but no highschool promotes trade schools or union interships.. nope gotta put these kids into debt!
[21:51:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> must've been hired by an HR drone with a LA degree themselves. it's hands down the most worthless degree ever.
[21:52:10] <Blackmoore> if you are lookig for someone to SELL something it isnt too bad.
[21:52:43] <Blackmoore> but you cant prove to me that most of these jobs need a degree.
[21:53:06] <Blackmoore> it's not rocket surgery.
[21:55:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> what's even more fun is looking at a new graduate and saying "you know, your plumber is always going to make more a year than you"
[21:59:31] <Landon> one for the car talk crowd: https://www.youtube.com
[21:59:32] <NetCraft> ^ 03Car Talk - My Government Vehicle Shakes at 17,500 MPH - YouTube
[22:07:07] <crutchy> ~queue
[22:07:12] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 5 - http://sylnt.us
[22:23:30] <ar> Blackmoore: bullshit degrees?
[22:24:47] <chromas> bachelor of science
[22:28:23] <crutchy> ar, liberal arts
[22:29:20] <crutchy> oh you referring to BS
[22:29:21] <crutchy> lol
[22:29:22] <ciri> rofl
[22:30:03] <Blackmoore> batchlor of science
[22:30:17] <Blackmoore> we have a TON of colleges here.
[22:31:06] <Blackmoore> i know teachers who are working in elder care as they havent yet located a teaching job (4 of them did this year)
[22:31:28] <chromas> shouldn't they be working at one of the colleges? :)
[22:31:41] <chromas> (or get together and start up another)
[22:32:00] <Blackmoore> and i know a lawyer who was working as a town clerk as his student debt crushed his private practice
[22:32:29] <Blackmoore> (how he looks like a well dressed truck driver but still)
[22:33:03] <Blackmoore> yes, one of the teachers is NOW working at one of the (for profit) colleges
[22:33:23] <Blackmoore> as she tries to get her PHD in english.
[22:33:37] <Blackmoore> (why would you do that?!)
[22:34:00] <chromas> You need to know English in order to teach other people English
[22:34:15] <chromas> Diagram those dangling participles, mister!
[22:34:47] * chromas is surrounded by three colleges just here in town
[22:35:08] <chromas> (or 2½ if you don't count community colleges)
[22:35:24] <chromas> "You know we don't!"
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[22:43:45] <Blackmoore> i think 2 year degrees are fine.
[22:44:08] <Blackmoore> it's HS that's farked up.
[22:44:44] <Blackmoore> you should be teaching life skills, and get kids exposed to a large number of things they could do after school
[22:45:03] <Blackmoore> not just teaching them to reitterate and answer a test.
[22:45:43] <Blackmoore> I did try to push my kids into trade school
[22:46:05] <Blackmoore> I dont know any welder/plumber/electrician who's not working
[22:46:33] <Blackmoore> and working at a good rate of pay, with no debt over them
[22:47:06] <Landon> I would evaluate the fraction myself, but I might explode
[22:47:24] * Landon knows no classical tradesmen in or out of work
[22:47:43] <chromas> slightly off-topic, how does a process ignore a sigkill?
[22:48:11] <_dx3bydt3> I had that happen yesterday in a Mint VM.
[22:48:36] <chromas> my sound quit working so I'm trying different things. alsactl monitor won't quit (but it's not doing anything)
[22:48:46] <chromas> must be a linux bug
[22:50:37] <_dx3bydt3> From what I read from searching, it isn't supposed to happen, but the application sometimes does not listen to signals.
[22:50:46] <_dx3bydt3> I gave up and restarted.
[22:51:03] <chromas> applications shouldn't even receive the signal
[22:51:37] <chromas> the kernel should say "oh look, a 9; we'll just stop this process and free its resources"
[22:52:03] <_dx3bydt3> Until yesteday I thought that's how it worked.
[22:52:10] <chromas> there's no reason for it not to
[22:52:18] <chromas> looks like it's stuck in "disk sleep"
[22:52:34] <chromas> even sudo doesn't help
[22:52:57] <_dx3bydt3> the explanation I read claimed "zombie" processes couldn't be killed with a -9
[22:53:09] <chromas> that's dumb too
[22:53:48] <_dx3bydt3> I spent 10 minutes looking for a way to force it, and realized that a restart would take 2 minutes.
[22:54:33] <chromas> Yeah but this is Linux. We're supposed to go hunt down the problem, not reboot 'cause that's what the Windows guys do :/
[22:55:24] <_dx3bydt3> my laziness knows no bounds, and cannot be constrained by the operating system.
[22:55:57] <chromas> suse had an alsasound service I could restart. Doesn't seem to exist here.
[22:55:59] * chromas reboots
[22:57:56] <chromas> didn't we just have this the other day? https://www.eff.org
[22:57:57] <NetCraft> ^ 03Verizon Injecting Perma-Cookies to Track Mobile Customers, Bypassing Privacy Controls | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[23:11:48] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[23:11:48] <NetCraft> ^ 03HD PBS / NOVA - Why Ships Sink - YouTube
[23:12:21] <crutchy> intersting doco
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[23:17:00] * silverly starts watching it at work
[23:17:35] <silverly> are you ready crutchy?
[23:17:46] <silverly> THE RACE THAT STOPS THE NATION
[23:17:52] <crutchy> pfft
[23:18:25] <crutchy> silverly, s/STOPS THE NATION/THE NATION USES AS AN EXCUSE FOR A LONG WEEKEND/
[23:18:26] <sedctl> <crutchy> <silverly> THE RACE THAT THE NATION USES AS AN EXCUSE FOR A LONG WEEKEND
[23:27:07] Blackmoore is now known as blackmoore|afk
[23:31:10] <silverly> my favorite thing
[23:31:18] <silverly> is everyone is now an expert on betting
[23:32:51] <silverly> context for the non aussies: in australia today is melbourne cup http://en.wikipedia.org its kinda a big deal.
[23:32:52] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03Melbourne Cup
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[23:44:49] <crutchy> ~suggest irc polls published in a SN slashbox
[23:45:01] <exec> *** suggestion successfully added to wiki - http://sylnt.us
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[23:56:23] <paulej72> any tor users here? I think I may have our tor links working again
[23:57:30] <paulej72> I would test it myself, but I have an alergy to tor :)
[23:58:04] <paulej72> Konomi: ping