#Soylent | Logs for 2014-11-02

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[00:00:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Fun and Games Make for Better Learners - http://sylnt.us - malamanteau
[00:22:30] * JamesNZ just saw someone spell 'thou' as 'though'
[00:56:31] <crutchy> just added a 23" panel to my lappy setup in the living room
[00:56:40] <crutchy> works nice
[00:58:55] <crutchy> especially cos its fairly thin which means i can sit it on the coffee table with all the other junk
[00:58:58] <crutchy> http://files.acerbilder.com
[01:05:04] <chromas> sweet
[01:05:15] <chromas> I expect 300% increase in exec development
[01:11:27] <chromas> onion_rings_dipped_in_ice_cream++
[01:11:27] <Bender> karma - onion_rings_dipped_in_ice_cream: 1
[01:19:15] <crutchy> there's 3 more of the same screen on the desks in the dining room but i don't have enough plugholes in my lappy :(
[01:20:44] <chromas> You can get USB3 (-powered even) displays for showing docs and stuff
[01:21:00] <chromas> You'd probably also have to get a wider table
[01:51:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - OpenBSD 5.6's New "httpd" Web Server Offers Security and Safety - http://sylnt.us - daemon-summoning
[02:13:22] <juggs> Narrowed down my laptop boot woes... it fails to boot if an external monitor is connected. WTH connecting an external monitor would cause the thing to pop its pants an throw a "error: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'" is beyond me. Wait til it's up to the login screen and attach the monitor all is fine and dandy. Mebbe some odd fault with the monitor I suppose ~shrug~
[02:14:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds more like a bios bug
[02:15:17] <crutchy> coffee++
[02:15:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 880
[02:15:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[02:15:20] <Bender> karma - coffee: 881
[02:16:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> bed for me. extra hour of sleep or not, i'm bloody tired.
[02:18:34] <juggs> Hmm... it's on the latest BIOS and only recently started exhibiting the problem. Perhaps the BIOS became corrupt... wonder if it will let me reflash the same version :/
[02:19:07] <crutchy> you didn't try to install the windows 8 virus by mistake did you?
[02:19:29] <juggs> lol no
[02:19:54] * chromas upgrades ti windows 8 in the bathroom. Tiling has never been so easy!
[02:20:26] <crutchy> ohh now i can have delphi on my lappy and xchat/debian on the other screen :D
[02:20:52] <chromas> now you can port exec to delphi :D
[02:29:52] <juggs> ok - away to attempt reflashing of BIOS
[02:31:17] <crutchy> flashing++
[02:31:17] <Bender> karma - flashing: 1
[02:32:22] <chromas> quick! let's all throw paper airplanes and spitwads while he's away!
[02:37:26] <juggs> fail... BIOS refuses to flash unless the new image is newer than the current.
[02:38:25] <chromas> is there a backup/retore option or something
[02:38:58] <crutchy> need linux on bios
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[02:39:28] <crutchy> aye focker!
[02:39:42] <Ethanol-fueled> guys, I;m too intoxicated to talk to you.
[02:39:47] <juggs> newp just an ASUS Easy Flash option in the bios menu that reads from USB. It's a cheap-ass laptop so no redundant BIOS or anything smart like that.
[02:39:49] <Ethanol-fueled> I bneeeec to go home.
[02:40:06] <crutchy> just dont drive dude
[02:40:07] <Ethanol-fueled> I need to go home before you shooo me out.
[02:40:23] <juggs> are you not at home?
[02:40:59] <crutchy> the jews made him drink too much :p
[02:41:27] <Ethanol-fueled> I need to leave before we're all fucked.
[02:41:32] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[02:41:32] <Bender> karma - coffee: 880
[02:41:33] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[02:41:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 879
[02:41:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> JamesNZ-- overzealous coffee moderation detected, enchance your calm.
[02:41:34] <Bender> karma - jamesnz: -14
[02:41:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[02:41:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 880
[02:41:38] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[02:41:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 879
[02:41:45] <Ethanol-fueled> coffee++
[02:41:45] <Bender> karma - coffee: 880
[02:41:48] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[02:41:48] <Bender> karma - coffee: 879
[02:41:58] <Ethanol-fueled> who the fuck downmodded coffee?
[02:42:03] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[02:42:03] <Bender> karma - coffee: 878
[02:42:12] <JamesNZ> Does that answer your question? ;)
[02:42:15] <chromas> it's the hip thing to do
[02:42:24] <Ethanol-fueled> fucking idiots.
[02:42:25] <chromas> people with apple products mostly :)
[02:42:34] <JamesNZ> apple--
[02:42:34] <Bender> karma - apple: -4
[02:42:41] <Ethanol-fueled> apple users are faggots.
[02:42:41] <crutchy> hey eth, did you see the news with putin's 'fuck america' speech?
[02:42:48] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[02:42:48] <Bender> karma - coffee: 877
[02:43:13] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, that speech was better than America's speech.
[02:44:45] <Ethanol-fueled> Fuck this shit, gonna bail.
[02:45:00] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[02:45:00] <NetCraft> ^ 03Woodpeckers Recorder Quartet - JS Bach - die Kunst der Fuge BWV 1080 - Contrapunctus I & IX - YouTube
[02:46:26] <juggs> It's amusing watching them fly their Bear bombers all over the place causing everyone to scramble jets to intercept and escort them. :D
[02:46:54] <Ethanol-fueled> jjuggs: they're the Ethanol-fueled of trolls.
[02:46:55] <crutchy> hopefully they don't load them up with nukes
[02:47:25] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy: sane folks aren't in charge anymore.
[02:47:45] <chromas> crutchy: it's a distraction while they sneak in and bang the presidents' daughters
[02:48:35] <crutchy> are russians more well hung than americans?
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[02:49:18] <chromas> I guess we should whip 'em out and compare
[02:49:45] <crutchy> haha harry reid might not get re-elected
[02:49:56] <crutchy> suck shit to that dick head
[02:49:57] <juggs> crutchy, they're just playing games with western europe... having a little fly around to check out how fast various states can scramble interceptors. It's just theatre and nothing particularly newsworthy - happens all the time. Just at the moment anything Russia related is considered newsworthy thanks to the situation in Ukraine.
[02:50:36] * chromas sends out some overlords to scope out the resources
[02:50:52] <crutchy> i hate most republicunts, but the democrats are fucking stupid and harry reid is a knobjockey
[02:51:23] * crutchy wishes ron paul would run for pres in '16
[02:52:15] <juggs> exactly chromas - e.g. Turkey may say they have interceptor fighters ready at a moments notice, but unless you fly an aircraft with no transponders near them you'd never know if they are bluffing or not. Seems actually they do have such things :D
[02:52:54] <crutchy> what kind of interceptors does turkey have?
[02:53:27] <crutchy> the latest sukhois could run circles around most country's fighters
[02:53:33] <crutchy> vectored_thrust++
[02:53:33] <Bender> karma - vectored_thrust: 1
[02:53:36] <chromas> shotguns. It's gonna be a meatless Thanksgiving this year
[02:54:57] <crutchy> Lagg is ddoin some coding
[02:55:37] <crutchy> little bit anyway
[02:55:47] <juggs> Seems Turkey run F16C/D and F-4 Phantoms
[02:55:54] <juggs> https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:55:56] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03List of active aircraft of the Turkish Air Force
[02:56:39] * crutchy wonders how an f-16 would go up against an su-37
[02:56:55] <juggs> I'd think they's use the F-16s in the intercept role
[02:57:27] <crutchy> hmm looks like su-37 still in testing
[02:57:31] <crutchy> maybe su-27
[02:58:20] <geotti> juggs: they also have more oil to burn than Europe ; )
[03:00:15] <geotti> rewrite_rules--
[03:00:15] <Bender> karma - rewrite_rules: -1
[03:00:21] <geotti> nginx--
[03:00:21] <Bender> karma - nginx: 0
[03:00:32] <geotti> mod_rewrite--
[03:00:32] <Bender> karma - mod_rewrite: -1
[03:00:37] <geotti> stupid_hacks--
[03:00:37] <Bender> karma - stupid_hacks: -1
[03:00:40] <geotti> coffee--
[03:00:40] <Bender> karma - coffee: 876
[03:00:43] <geotti> tea++
[03:00:43] <Bender> karma - tea: 177
[03:00:48] <crutchy> lol i was about do type mod_rewrite-- too :p
[03:00:49] <ciri> i don't think it's that funny lol
[03:00:59] <crutchy> damn regexps
[03:01:03] <geotti> no shit
[03:01:21] <geotti> opaque_vhost_configs--
[03:01:21] <Bender> karma - opaque_vhost_configs: -1
[03:01:40] <juggs> mostly irrelevant crutchy as Turkey is an EU state so should the shite hit the fan you'd get a swarm of eurofighters and rafales joining in from the rest of the europe. But that's all getting a bit Top Gun really. All Russia has to do is turn off the gas taps to europe rather than try some kind of aerial assault.
[03:02:21] <geotti> Turkey's not a EU state, juggs
[03:02:26] <geotti> NATO, but not EU
[03:02:28] <crutchy> there prolly aren't that many aircraft as maneuverable as the flanker
[03:02:42] <crutchy> typhoon would be like a flying pig
[03:02:58] <crutchy> big triangular wings and pissy little canards
[03:03:47] <geotti> so, if ($uri ~ ^/(about|account|autocompletes|booking|flight|flight_hotel|holiday)/.*) { rewrite ^/(.*)$ /ibe/ibe/$1 last; } should work, but it doesnt
[03:04:02] <geotti> nginx--
[03:04:02] <Bender> karma - nginx: -1
[03:04:19] <geotti> PEBKAC++
[03:04:19] <Bender> karma - pebkac: 1
[03:04:22] <crutchy> i wouldn't wanna be in a eurofighter up against even a drunk russian flanker pilot
[03:04:40] <geotti> eurofighter-- # plastic junk
[03:04:40] <Bender> karma - eurofighter: -1
[03:04:47] <juggs> geotti, you are correct I was confusing their accession to the EEC in the 80's.
[03:05:15] <geotti> they won't get into the eu either, until they sort out cyprus with the greeks
[03:05:20] <geotti> at least
[03:06:30] <geotti> and I don't think they're all that interested currently
[03:06:40] <juggs> Typhoon is more of a rapid bomber than an interceptor isn't it? UK's a bit short of interceptor type 'planes if I understand correctly.
[03:07:16] <geotti> juggs: but they do have subs, that run windows
[03:07:20] <crutchy> juggs, not sure. i sure as hell know it wouldn't stand a chance against the su-27 though
[03:07:25] <geotti> Das re-boot
[03:08:15] * geotti does not understant how they chose windows over a realtime os
[03:08:25] <geotti> that's totally bonkers
[03:08:35] <crutchy> they might have been paid by microsoft to use it
[03:08:47] <crutchy> that's the only reason i can think of anyway
[03:09:02] <geotti> even then... weapon systems controlled by windows? how stupid is that?
[03:09:23] <geotti> realtime OS and DDS, sure but windows?
[03:09:30] <crutchy> is windows used on the computers that control weapons?
[03:09:40] <geotti> i'm not sure, actually
[03:10:02] <crutchy> i know in power stations around here windows is use on a lot of machines, but there are separate networks with other systems that control different things
[03:10:12] <geotti> but the thought of the possibility that it coul be makes me laugh
[03:10:23] <crutchy> it does seem pretty dumb
[03:10:46] <crutchy> 'it looks like you're trying to launch a missile. would you like any help with that?'
[03:11:09] <crutchy> abort, retry, cancel, OK
[03:11:13] <geotti> An unexpected error occured.
[03:11:29] <crutchy> you have performed an illegal operation and will be sunk
[03:11:46] <geotti> You have to restart windows to launch another torpedo.
[03:12:07] <chromas> But you can play minesweeper while you minesweep
[03:12:14] <geotti> true
[03:12:57] <geotti> codeigniter--
[03:12:57] <Bender> karma - codeigniter: -1
[03:14:12] <juggs> geotti, yah - exactly... why bother with a massive swarm of fighter jets when you can have a small fleet of Trident subs... that could be anywhere, ready to pop-up and launch a nuclear strike. Kinda keeps things in check. Not that I'd ever want to see nukes used again as it's effin suicidal - but I think therein lies the secret.
[03:15:07] <geotti> unless of course, the strategic weapons are run by windows...
[03:15:53] <chromas> But we don't know. Therein lies the secret
[03:16:25] <chromas> could be windows ce
[03:17:38] <crutchy> it could be microsoft bob
[03:17:59] <crutchy> nuclear submarine edition
[03:19:09] <chromas> sexbots with vista
[03:19:09] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[03:19:15] * crutchy wonders how many subs russia has. esp since a lot of them are apparently being converted into makeshift appartments or some shit
[03:19:18] <chromas> they'll go down on you all day long
[03:19:34] <JamesNZ> crutchy: Apartments?
[03:21:18] <juggs> geotti, Trident subs are not secret, that would defeat the point of them. Just very hard, verging on impossible to track. They're a deterrent. An enemy state could rapidly take out a land based missile launch facility, not so easy when the launch facilities are lurking in the depths who the feck knows where.
[03:21:38] <crutchy> i think people using them to live in
[03:21:45] <crutchy> old rust buckets
[03:21:58] <crutchy> cant remember
[03:24:05] <JamesNZ> Interesting.
[03:25:47] <geotti> juggs: absolutely. Aangerous stuff.
[03:25:56] <geotti> tactical_nukes--
[03:25:56] <Bender> karma - tactical_nukes: -1
[03:27:05] * crutchy was just reading up a bit on the virginia class sub
[03:27:10] <crutchy> looks pretty fancy
[03:27:26] <crutchy> only problem is, how would it fare if it lost power?
[03:27:44] <juggs> crutchy, hence why the typhoon is now relegated to strikes in places with no air cover. We're pretty much stuck with typhoons and tornados at the mo. We don't have any planes to put on our aircraft carriers lol
[03:29:01] <crutchy> juggs, straya is stuck in limbo land waiting for the f-35 disaster to be over. i can't believe we put the f-111s out of service for this fantastic plastic piece of crap
[03:29:13] <crutchy> f-18 is pretty cool though
[03:29:18] <geotti> juggs: what do you think, UK staying in the EU or leaving?
[03:29:20] <crutchy> hope they keep that for a while longer
[03:30:02] <geotti> migs++ # built for eternity
[03:30:02] <Bender> karma - migs: 1
[03:30:06] <crutchy> ukip will gradually gain some seats and might hold some bargaining power
[03:30:26] <crutchy> nigel farrage is awesome to watch in euro council
[03:31:09] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[03:31:09] <NetCraft> ^ 03&'Who the Hell You Think You Are?' Nigel Farage throws egg in Eurocrat faces - YouTube
[03:32:08] <juggs> geotti, up in the air right now. Depends if we can pre-emptively negotiate trade agreements before departure. Without that in place I don't think people will vote to leave given a referendum despite the noisy minorities shouting otherwise.
[03:34:19] <geotti> juggs: maybe free trade zone with the US would be enough, and by then TTIP might have gone through as well?
[03:35:47] <crutchy> is there a british-australian free trade agreement?
[03:36:18] <crutchy> we have lots of resources that we pretty much give away to china. maybe you guys should have a piece of the pie too
[03:41:00] <juggs> geotti, our largest export market is EU not US currently. I don't see exports to US growing. TTIP is an unknown quantity until it finally coalesces - and certainly any in/out EU referendum should be shunted past that point.
[03:41:44] <geotti> juggs: I guess we'll see how it goes in '15, '16
[03:42:06] <juggs> crutchy, but what is Aus exporting that UK can make use of? Mostly bauxite and other raw mineral stuff isn't it?
[03:42:29] <crutchy> iron ore, oil, gas, meat, grains, etc
[03:42:32] <crutchy> the usual stuff
[03:42:38] <crutchy> uranium
[03:43:08] <crutchy> coal
[03:43:19] <juggs> geotti, I'm trying to follow TTIP via the various leaks, but it's far from transparent right now, which does not fill me with hope.
[03:43:28] <crutchy> china is booming off our resources
[03:43:39] <crutchy> so they can't be that bad
[03:43:43] <juggs> and they have the smog to show for it :D
[03:43:51] <crutchy> they sure do
[03:44:18] <crutchy> it was the only reason why australia didn't end up in the toilet in 2008
[03:44:33] <juggs> along with Canada
[03:44:46] <crutchy> canado has a lot of resources too yeah
[03:47:34] <juggs> problem is, this shit is finite, no matter how large the pile of stuff anyone has to dig up, it is limited ultimately. It seems like blindness to me to just carry on the way we are.... like sprinting towards a cliff edge because "well eh - it's a mile away, why worry about it now?" - because worrying about it when you're still sprinting and it's only 10 metres away is a big problem.. maybe not for us, but certainly a nasty legacy to leave.
[03:50:04] * geotti 's gotta go to bed
[03:50:11] <geotti> night ppl
[03:50:18] geotti is now known as geotti_Zzz
[04:36:19] <arti> sun glinting off of titan: http://www.nasa.gov
[04:52:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Berners-Lee on HTML 5: If It's Not on the Web, It Doesn't Exist - http://sylnt.us - ontology-fail
[04:54:55] <juggs> I guess that image is stitched together? It looks more like a volcanic breakout.
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[07:05:22] <ar> tea++
[07:05:22] <Bender> karma - tea: 178
[07:05:30] <ar> coffee--
[07:05:30] <Bender> karma - coffee: 875
[07:11:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Strain of Mice Clears Hurdle in Ebola Resarch - http://sylnt.us - Eeek
[07:32:04] <crutchy> coffee++
[07:32:04] <Bender> karma - coffee: 876
[07:32:10] <crutchy> driving--
[07:32:10] <Bender> karma - driving: -2
[07:36:29] <chromas> Road trip?
[07:36:37] <chromas> beverage++
[07:36:37] <Bender> karma - beverage: 1
[07:37:28] <ar> coffee--
[07:37:28] <Bender> karma - coffee: 875
[07:37:30] <ar> tea++
[07:37:30] <Bender> karma - tea: 179
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[08:00:45] <chromas> beverage++
[08:00:45] <Bender> karma - beverage: 2
[08:01:25] <Konomi> burgers++
[08:01:25] <Bender> karma - burgers: 3
[08:01:34] <Konomi> caffeine++
[08:01:34] <Bender> karma - caffeine: 31
[08:08:41] <crutchy> juggs, yeah i agree that the way we use resources is crap. my statements before were just mere reflections of reality. unfortunate as it is, at least it shielded my country from some of the financial ruin being experienced around the world
[08:09:42] <crutchy> there is development of new technologies to reduce emissions and increase energy efficiency, and there are gradually more solar panels on houses etc, but tbh i dunno how we could really change enough to 'fix' the environment
[08:10:07] <crutchy> humanity is a plague
[08:11:03] <crutchy> wow that was depressing :/
[08:11:55] <Konomi> rawr plaguing
[08:13:21] <crutchy> brb
[08:13:23] <ciri> me too, smoke time! crutchy
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[08:40:04] <JamesNZ> emacs++
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[08:47:34] <Konomi> nano++
[08:47:34] <Bender> karma - nano: 8
[08:47:37] <Konomi> \o/
[08:48:47] <JamesNZ> emacs++
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[08:48:49] <JamesNZ> emacs++
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[10:12:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cosmetic Eye Surgery - http://sylnt.us - Eye-see-you
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[11:18:17] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:18:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 876
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[11:18:40] <crutchy> ubuntu--
[11:18:40] <Bender> karma - ubuntu: -2
[11:19:06] <crutchy> debian++
[11:19:06] <Bender> karma - debian: 37
[11:45:32] <ar> coffee--
[11:45:32] <Bender> karma - coffee: 875
[11:45:34] <ar> tea++
[11:45:34] <Bender> karma - tea: 180
[11:45:47] <ar> well. actually i drank coffee today.
[11:48:41] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:48:41] <Bender> karma - coffee: 876
[11:48:50] <crutchy> coffee is awesome
[12:45:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:45:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 877
[12:49:14] <crutchy> coffee++
[12:49:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 878
[12:49:30] <crutchy> ~g'day TheMightyBuzzard
[12:49:30] * exec insubordinately flings a toilet bowl of pancakes at TheMightyBuzzard
[12:49:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> how'd you know sunday was pancake day?!
[12:50:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> gotta put tape on my laptop camera now
[12:51:00] * crutchy wonders about his lappy cam
[12:51:19] <ar> coffee--
[12:51:19] <Bender> karma - coffee: 877
[12:51:20] <crutchy> (host OS is win 7)
[12:51:21] <ar> tea++
[12:51:22] <Bender> karma - tea: 181
[12:52:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you enjoyed that coffee you drank you owe us a coffee++, ar
[12:52:38] <ar> TheMightyBuzzard: i enjoyed it mostly because of the people i drank it with
[12:52:39] <ar> so
[12:52:45] <ar> coffee_with_friends++
[12:52:45] <Bender> karma - coffee_with_friends: 1
[12:52:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> good nuff
[12:54:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> i forgot to set my coffee maker today. had to take one of the wire baskets and pour nuked water over top of a cup's worth of grounds this morning or wait on the pot to brew.
[12:54:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> turned out better than normal
[12:55:39] <crutchy> i farted
[12:56:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> good for preventing cancer i hear
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[12:59:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Bytram
[13:00:30] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[13:00:36] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: g'mornin!
[13:00:50] <Bytram> twas strange getting on this time...
[13:01:06] <Bytram> * Connected. Now logging in.
[13:01:06] <Bytram> * *** Looking up your hostname...
[13:01:06] <Bytram> * *** Checking Ident
[13:01:06] <Bytram> * *** Found your hostname
[13:01:06] <Bytram> * *** No Ident response
[13:01:21] <Bytram> but, it somehow knows it's me.
[13:01:27] <Bytram> I guess it's not a problem.
[13:01:39] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:01:39] <Bender> karma - coffee: 878
[13:01:47] <ar> http://theoatmeal.com
[13:01:50] <ar> crutchy: ^
[13:02:04] <Bytram> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[13:02:05] <exec> Weather for Ada, OK - currently 39°F / 4°C, clear, wind SE at 14 mph, humidity 75% - Sunday partly cloudy (50°F-66°F / 10°C-19°C), Monday thunderstorm (57°F-72°F / 14°C-22°C), Tuesday thunderstorm (43°F-59°F / 6°C-15°C), Wednesday partly cloudy (39°F-66°F / 4°C-19°C) - source: Google
[13:02:08] <ar> ~weather
[13:02:10] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[13:02:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Net Neutrality: 'Edge Providers' vs 'End Users'? - http://sylnt.us - we-all-provide-something
[13:02:19] <ar> ~weather ar
[13:02:20] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[13:02:24] <ar> …
[13:02:29] <crutchy> gday Bytram
[13:02:34] <Bytram> crutchy: g'day
[13:02:38] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[13:02:39] <exec> Weather for Boston, MA - currently 39°F / 4°C, overcast, wind NW at 13 mph, humidity 84% - Sunday chance of snow (30°F-43°F / -1°C-6°C), Monday clear (34°F-48°F / 1°C-9°C), Tuesday partly cloudy (48°F-59°F / 9°C-15°C), Wednesday mostly cloudy (46°F-66°F / 8°C-19°C) - source: Google
[13:02:41] <crutchy> i get that every time
[13:02:49] <crutchy> the messages you pasted
[13:02:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather warsaw, pl
[13:02:57] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[13:03:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather warsaw
[13:03:02] <crutchy> always have
[13:03:02] <Bytram> crutchy: ? what do you get every time?
[13:03:03] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[13:03:15] <Bytram> oh. that!
[13:03:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, your shat is broked
[13:03:20] <Bytram> that's good to know.
[13:03:20] <crutchy> * *** Looking up your hostname...
[13:03:21] <crutchy> * *** Checking Ident
[13:03:21] <crutchy> * *** Found your hostname
[13:03:21] <crutchy> * *** No Ident response
[13:03:37] <crutchy> i just assumed it was normal :d
[13:03:40] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:03:53] <Bytram> hrm... brb
[13:04:11] <crutchy> ~weather warsaw, poland
[13:04:12] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[13:04:19] <crutchy> ~weather warsaw poland
[13:04:20] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[13:04:23] <crutchy> :/
[13:04:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> exec is racist
[13:05:06] <chromas> It just means you're not running an ident server
[13:05:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> i am, neener neener
[13:05:49] <crutchy> wtf is an ident server
[13:06:01] <Konomi> >.>
[13:06:01] <crutchy> something to do with teeth
[13:06:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> old, old, oldschool shat
[13:06:05] <crutchy> or python
[13:06:06] <Konomi> livin under a rock
[13:06:09] <Bytram> back.
[13:06:21] <Konomi> https://en.wikipedia.org
[13:06:22] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03Ident protocol
[13:06:23] <crutchy> dentures or indents
[13:06:24] <ar> ~weather-set Warsaw, Poland
[13:06:27] <Bytram> ~weather "warsaw, poland"
[13:06:28] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[13:06:30] <chromas> Not sure what the purpose is besides removing the tilde in your user name
[13:06:43] <ar> ~weather Warszawa
[13:06:44] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[13:06:51] <ar> exec: DIAF
[13:07:05] <crutchy> its prolly poo
[13:07:18] <crutchy> google might have changed something
[13:07:23] <Konomi> identd was a way of identify people behind large nats
[13:07:43] <Konomi> it's largely unused caue people cant be botehred
[13:07:48] <Konomi> and firewalls made it a pita
[13:07:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> identd was pre-nat. you could use it to identify a particular user of a unix system back in the day
[13:07:58] <crutchy> ~weather
[13:07:59] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[13:08:00] <Bytram> ~weather 💩
[13:08:00] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[13:08:09] <crutchy> yeah its fkd
[13:08:15] <crutchy> ~weather-old
[13:08:20] <exec> weather for 10Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 10:02 pm (GMT+11) ~ 126 mins ago: temp: 108.5°C (47.3°F), dp: 106.1°C (43°F), press: 101025.3 mb (+0.6 mb/60 mins), humid: 1084%, wind: 1011.2 km/h (7 mph) @ 10290°
[13:08:22] <Konomi> it was pre-nat but it was still used well after nat
[13:08:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. mostly only by irc nowadays
[13:08:59] <crutchy> !weather warsaw, poland
[13:09:09] <crutchy> /weather poland
[13:09:22] <crutchy> i thought there was another weather bot
[13:09:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather-old warsaw, pl
[13:09:34] <exec> process timed out: ~weather-old warsaw, pl
[13:09:38] <crutchy> lol
[13:09:43] <crutchy> exec--
[13:09:43] <Bender> karma - exec: 12
[13:09:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'just sad
[13:10:21] <chromas> ^weather Warsaw
[13:10:22] <geotti_Zzz> [Warsaw, Poland] Clear. Temp is 10.7*C. Humidity: 72%.
[13:10:23] <crutchy> i started looking into google html last time when ar had trouble, but i haven't finished
[13:10:32] <crutchy> google_html--
[13:10:32] <Bender> karma - google_html: -1
[13:11:02] <crutchy> google_jibberish_pretending_to_be_html--
[13:11:02] <Bender> karma - google_jibberish_pretending_to_be_html: -1
[13:11:15] <Bytram> ^weather boston
[13:11:16] <geotti_Zzz> [Boston, Massachusetts] Overcast. Temp is 4.1*C but feels like -1*C. WNW wind: 27.4 kph. Humidity: 82%.
[13:11:28] <crutchy> ooh yeah!
[13:12:17] <crutchy> ~rehash
[13:12:18] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file (89 aliases)
[13:12:32] <crutchy> ~x open test
[13:12:33] <exec> script "test" opened for editing by crutchy in #soylent
[13:12:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, thought i had a finger server set up too
[13:13:03] <crutchy> what was it fingering?
[13:13:11] <crutchy> o.0
[13:13:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> whatever i told it to
[13:13:19] * Bytram offers some tissue, just in case
[13:15:46] <crutchy> ~x add if (strtolower(substr($trailing,0,8))=="~weather") { pm($dest,"^weather".substr($trailing,9)); }
[13:15:47] <exec> script line appended
[13:16:17] <crutchy> ~x global on
[13:16:18] <exec> live script global exec flag set
[13:16:30] <crutchy> ~weather warsaw, poland
[13:17:00] <crutchy> ~x enable test
[13:17:02] <exec> error: script named "test" not found
[13:17:13] <chromas> 😔
[13:17:13] <crutchy> that's a worry
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[13:18:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> there we go, finger bob@tmbvm.ddns.net works now
[13:18:32] <chromas> Probably forgot to close the script
[13:18:52] <chromas> splat_files--
[13:18:53] <Bender> karma - splat_files: -1
[13:19:10] <chromas> splat_files-- #stupid invention
[13:19:10] <Bender> karma - splat_files: -2
[13:21:46] <crutchy> tama likes to finger bob
[13:22:24] <crutchy> s/ / microsoft /4
[13:22:24] <SedBot2> <crutchy> tama likes to finger microsoft bob
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[13:24:48] geotti_Zzz is now known as geotti
[13:24:55] <geotti> sup
[13:24:58] <geotti> tea++
[13:24:58] <Bender> karma - tea: 182
[13:25:41] <geotti> crutchy: try ^weather <location>
[13:26:00] <crutchy> yeah. i reckon that's the way to go
[13:26:42] <crutchy> i made a little live scripty to 'redirect' ~weather to ^weather, but i even managed to bork my live script script
[13:26:52] <crutchy> script_script++
[13:26:52] <Bender> karma - script_script: 1
[13:27:16] <geotti> meta++
[13:27:16] <Bender> karma - meta: 1
[13:30:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:30:26] <Bender> karma - coffee: 879
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[13:37:38] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v Bytram|away] by juggler
[13:37:58] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[13:41:07] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:41:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 880
[13:41:13] <crutchy> coffee++
[13:41:13] <Bender> karma - coffee: 881
[13:48:56] <crutchy> ~weather warsaw, poland
[13:48:57] <exec> ^weatherwarsaw, poland
[13:49:04] <crutchy> bugger
[13:50:17] <crutchy> ~weather warsaw, poland
[13:50:18] <exec> ^weather warsaw, poland
[13:50:19] <geotti> [Warsaw, Poland] Clear. Temp is 10.5*C. Humidity: 72%.
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[13:50:53] <crutchy> live script bucket got corrupted. dunno how :/
[13:51:21] <crutchy> just had to delete it and recreate scripty
[13:51:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's a hole in your bucket, dear crutchy, dear crutchy
[13:51:27] <chromas> Maybe ciri got into it
[13:51:32] <Bytram> LOL!!!
[13:51:45] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[13:51:45] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 102
[13:51:55] <crutchy> the damn pipe leaked!
[13:52:17] <crutchy> prolly the stdin pipe
[13:52:28] <Bytram> crutchy: s/pipe/intertube/
[13:52:28] <SedBot2> <Bytram> <crutchy> prolly the stdin intertube
[13:52:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> shoulda used copper instead of pvc
[13:52:55] <crutchy> it was php
[13:52:56] <Bytram> nah, just needs more fibre
[13:53:02] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: s/vc/hp/
[13:53:02] <SedBot2> <chromas> <TheMightyBuzzard> shoulda used copper instead of php
[13:53:18] <crutchy> weak-as-shit php pipes
[13:56:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> think ima go play some shadow of mordor
[13:56:20] * Bytram offers crutchy some solder and cement to use as the case may be
[13:56:27] <crutchy> ~suggest-exec add some checksums/validation/whatevers to the bucket subsystem
[13:56:34] <exec> *** suggestion successfully added to wiki - http://sylnt.us
[13:56:40] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: afore you go... any word on when the next site update is scheduled?
[13:57:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> month from now or so if we stick to the every two months thing.
[13:57:26] <Bytram> oh! methunk it were every month. good to know.
[13:57:31] <crutchy> make it every month and we could call it a period
[13:57:44] <chromas> Remember to use whole numbers for each revision
[13:57:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, we could not. i would gag.
[13:57:56] * Bytram has been a bit under the weather and dealing with the bulding crunch mode at work which won't let up until next year. :(
[13:57:59] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:58:03] <crutchy> "so tmb, when's our next period coming up?"
[13:58:04] <chromas> A period release
[13:58:21] <Bytram> here's one for you: "."
[13:58:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleeding_cooch_humor--
[13:58:32] <Bender> karma - bleeding_cooch_humor: -1
[13:58:39] <crutchy> lmao
[13:59:00] <Bytram> ah, you guys are too much! I *needed* that!
[13:59:13] <crutchy> yeah i literally lol'ed then too
[13:59:15] <Bytram> it's the first snow of the season up here.
[14:00:11] <Bytram> when I was a kid it was a wonderful thing to run around trying to catch a snowflake on my tongue and to plan snowball fights and snow forts and all; now, well, not so much.
[14:00:57] <crutchy> Bytram, s/or/ar/
[14:00:57] <SedBot2> <crutchy> <Bytram> when I was a kid it was a wonderful thing to run around trying to catch a snowflake on my tongue and to plan snowball fights and snow farts and all; now, well, not so much.
[14:01:09] <crutchy> ^how i first read it :/
[14:01:13] <Bytram> LOL!
[14:01:29] <Bytram> that sounds mighty, ummm, uncomfortable!
[14:01:30] <crutchy> eyes not working proper
[14:01:57] <crutchy> brings whole new meaning to 'crusty turd'
[14:02:08] <Bytram> http://soylentnews.org
[14:02:08] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN article 03 Cosmetic Eye Surgery 04(7 comments)
[14:03:04] * crutchy tried ubuntu for the first time earlier (in a VM)
[14:03:08] <Bytram> font-size++ helps
[14:03:24] <crutchy> after a couple of hours, said VM was deleted
[14:03:50] * Bytram is considering putting a unix-like os on his little netbook
[14:03:55] <crutchy> debian++
[14:03:55] <Bender> karma - debian: 38
[14:04:10] <Bytram> only has a 1 GHz Atom and 1GB RAM.
[14:04:13] <crutchy> debian++ # ubuntu that's not ass-raped
[14:04:13] <Bender> karma - debian: 39
[14:04:27] <Bytram> yabut, systemd on the horizon?
[14:04:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> slackware
[14:05:01] <Bytram> I just wants to load an OS and be done with it; not have to play around reloading and rebuilding stuff if I can help it.
[14:05:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> bonus, you can always think of crutchy when updating packages with slapt-get
[14:05:40] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: never tried slackware though I know it's been around since nearly the begininning
[14:05:51] <crutchy> dunno. my debian only has one systemd module installed. still using sysvinit though. there was something about debian revisiting the systemd thingy i thought
[14:06:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> no systemd in it, no plans for systemd to be in it that i know of
[14:06:30] <Bytram> I'm comfortable in userland stuff (sed awk ls pipes, etc) but at this stage would rather not have to deal too much with system-level stuff.
[14:06:36] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:06:44] <Bytram> how's the compatibility?
[14:07:34] <crutchy> doesn't really behave any different. its something like libsystemd-login0 that's required by dbus
[14:07:42] <Bytram> an dhow up-to-date is it? If I wanna load some proggy, is it only long-in-the-tooth stable, or is there the option to get the more recent type stuff, too?
[14:08:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> compatibility is essentially the same across anything linux
[14:08:14] <crutchy> you can go bog stable or off-the-wall experimental shit that's likely to bust
[14:08:15] * Bytram has been reading about too many distros to keep 'em alls straight
[14:08:28] <Bytram> hrrrm. sounds interesting!
[14:08:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> check whichever ones you wanna try in a vm first
[14:09:01] <crutchy> the unstable release is called 'sid' cos he was the naughty kid from toy story :p
[14:09:13] <Bytram> ya, but on a 1MB system, that's kinda hard.
[14:09:24] <crutchy> live cd?
[14:09:28] <Bytram> even with my main box that has 1.25 GB, I don't see it happening.
[14:09:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh right, forgot you had painful hardware.
[14:09:50] <Bytram> crutchy: possibly, but it has no CD/DVD drive.
[14:10:00] <crutchy> i run a recent debian on a toshiba tecra a2 with 512mb ram
[14:10:00] <Bytram> I dunno if I can boot from a USB.
[14:10:27] <Bytram> hmm, lemme check somethin' brb
[14:10:40] <crutchy> my tecra has no optical drive and no usb boot option, so if i wanna 'first birthday' it i have to use a pxe boot server
[14:12:24] <chromas> Maybe you can borrow a usb optical drive from work
[14:12:34] <crutchy> g'day paulej72 :)
[14:12:41] <crutchy> usb doesn't boot
[14:13:15] <crutchy> pxe works ok (if i have it set up)
[14:13:16] <chromas> Optical drive should still boot though
[14:13:26] <crutchy> not if its usb
[14:13:29] <chromas> Or have you tried
[14:13:31] <chromas> Weird
[14:13:33] <crutchy> tecra a2 is an oldy
[14:13:42] <crutchy> no usb-anything boot option
[14:14:11] <crutchy> 2004 vintage
[14:14:18] <crutchy> so its a decade old now
[14:14:20] <chromas> It should just show up in the list as a dvd drive
[14:14:57] <crutchy> must be a bit old for that i guess
[14:15:18] <chromas> Or put the hdd into another box/usb adapter to install
[14:15:53] * Bytram looks at: http://www.asus.com
[14:15:56] <crutchy> could have done that, but would have to buy an adaptor for 2.5" ide
[14:16:14] <Bytram> I have the smaller, 120 GB drive.
[14:16:37] <chromas> Oh yeah, laptops had you-standard ide connectors
[14:16:46] <chromas> Non
[14:17:52] <crutchy> i even tried putting the optical drive from a slim usb enclosure into the optical bay of the notebook, but the damn connectors were slightly different locations :/
[14:18:23] <paulej72> i am not here. it is my doppleganger
[14:18:29] * Bytram really has to get a faster net connection than tethering my phone at the now blinding, peak speed of 30 KB/s =(
[14:18:50] <Bytram> paulej72: s/op/im/
[14:18:50] <SedBot2> <Bytram> <paulej72> i am not here. it is my dimpleganger
[14:18:54] <Bytram> =)
[14:18:56] <paulej72> Bytram: that is plenty fast for IRC
[14:19:12] <crutchy> paulej72, s/g/b/
[14:19:38] <Bytram> yeah, but I also have TBird popping up once in a while to check mail, and PaleMoon trying to load web pages on the same link.
[14:19:55] <paulej72> lynx and alpine
[14:20:02] <crutchy> dammit. why does popping look like pooping?
[14:20:17] * Bytram offers crutchy some more tissues
[14:20:32] <crutchy> Bytram, are you using poobuntu?
[14:20:49] <Bytram> nah. XP/Home
[14:20:57] * crutchy noticed it has all manner of web connecty downloady shit enabled by default
[14:21:06] <crutchy> ah
[14:21:07] <paulej72> well that is ballzy.
[14:21:20] <Bytram> haven't booted that one up in months.
[14:21:47] * crutchy used to use an eepc as a flight test instrumentation data logger
[14:21:59] <crutchy> bery handy little things
[14:22:10] <Bytram> then again, I've got such a slow connection and I monitor everything I can, so I'd prolly know if anything were afoot
[14:22:51] <crutchy> you need a matrix workstation with at least 10 screens to monitor all of the soylent world
[14:23:06] <paulej72> i have an eeepc running Win7 that will not do windows update. Sos I put it away for now.
[14:23:11] <Bytram> microsoft firewall logging on; AVG; TCPView; Process Explorer; and more.
[14:23:12] * crutchy chats up the woman with the red dress
[14:23:32] <crutchy> AVG... there's your problem
[14:23:43] <crutchy> a virus scanner running on a virus OS
[14:23:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> back later folks, it's orc choppin time
[14:24:02] <paulej72> killem dead TheMightyBuzzard
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[14:24:05] * Bytram offers TheMightyBuzzard a sharp axe and some mithril
[14:27:51] <crutchy> warcraft_1++
[14:27:51] <Bender> karma - warcraft_1: 1
[14:29:36] * Bytram found better specs here: http://www.cnet.com
[14:30:01] <Bytram> except that is says "Run Time: 5.4 sec" LOL!
[14:30:45] <paulej72> I think I have the 1005H
[14:31:30] <Bytram> Hmm... 900 MHz? I thought it was 1 GHz
[14:31:54] <Bytram> afk brb
[14:49:12] <crutchy> put debian+xfce on it... should run ok
[15:05:31] <SirFinkus> heh, I had one of those
[15:11:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - CERN Wants Help Classifying Pictures - http://sylnt.us - 120,000,000-words-in-pictures
[15:14:03] <Bytram> back
[15:14:30] <Bytram> SirFinkus: it's a nice, little (if underpowered) box.
[15:14:58] <SirFinkus> yeah, I broke the screen on mine though
[15:16:13] <Bytram> yup, me too. didn't like getting stepped on. :(
[15:16:37] <Bytram> cost me about $100 to get it fixed.
[15:17:01] <Bytram> did you only run XP on it?
[15:21:49] <SirFinkus> sometimes, I also put 7 on it, and various linux distros
[15:22:40] <Bytram> i've still got XP and thinking of changing to a unix-like distro.... any recommendations or gotchas to watch for?
[15:24:27] <SirFinkus> nothing really, I'd highly recommend something light though
[15:24:39] <SirFinkus> something like ubuntu would be a bad choice
[15:24:55] <Bytram> nod nod; unfortunately, I've not D/L any distros in a LONG time (slow connection).
[15:25:28] <Bytram> I don't want to D/L anything too wierd, but I do appreciate performance... don't need eye-candy!
[15:25:28] <SirFinkus> I had fun running gentoo on it for a while, took like 4 hours or something to compile the kernel
[15:25:36] <Bytram> ugh!
[15:26:09] <SirFinkus> arch is always fun if you don't mind reading release notes every time before upgrading
[15:26:24] <SirFinkus> devs have been known to break x and other things occasionally
[15:26:27] <Bytram> nah, want more of a set-and-forget kind of thing.
[15:26:46] <SirFinkus> mmm, debian?
[15:27:20] <Bytram> maybe, but with sysstemd on the horizon... don't want to take the plunge and then have to do it all over again any time soon.
[15:27:36] <SirFinkus> honestly the smoothest thing I ever got running on it was windows 7
[15:27:56] <Bytram> did you try any of the BSDs?
[15:28:02] <SirFinkus> naw
[15:28:13] <Bytram> darn.
[15:28:34] <Bytram> I like the attention to detail I've head about open BSD
[15:28:49] <SirFinkus> I think I tried mandriva, debian, ubuntu, gentoo, arch, and suse
[15:28:49] <Bytram> s/head/heard/
[15:28:49] <SedBot2> <Bytram> I like the attention to detail I've heard about open BSD
[15:29:03] <SirFinkus> along with xp and windows 7
[15:29:06] <Bytram> wow! that's a bunch!
[15:29:20] <Bytram> did you erun with the stock 1GB or did you upgrade to 2 GB?
[15:29:26] <SirFinkus> 1GB
[15:29:31] <Bytram> k
[15:29:47] <SirFinkus> I think the main bottleneck is the cpu tbh
[15:29:57] <Bytram> yup, my experience, too.
[15:30:32] <SirFinkus> I probably could set up my broken one as a server or something
[15:30:34] * Bytram remembers his 80286 running at 12MHz and thinking how *fast* that was!
[15:31:30] <SirFinkus> do you happen to know of anything that I can just plug in a usb stick and it'll give me a basic linux environment with ssh running?
[15:31:55] <Bytram> absolutely no idea
[15:32:05] <Bytram> umm, wait
[15:32:25] <Bytram> there are some debugging distros out there to help sysadmins
[15:32:35] <SirFinkus> I've done it blind before, but I forgot the exact sequence to start ssh from a live cd
[15:32:45] <Bytram> I can't recall any names, but that might be a good place to start.
[15:32:58] <SirFinkus> I think I'll do gentoo, just need a terminal to bootstrap from
[15:33:37] <Bytram> how large is the D/L?
[15:33:54] <Bytram> and where do you recommend I'd get it from?
[15:34:51] <SirFinkus> well, for gentoo, the minimal thing is like 200MB
[15:35:00] <Bytram> that's not too bad!
[15:35:10] <SirFinkus> but then you have to pull down some packages and stuff, nothing too huge iirc
[15:35:18] <SirFinkus> have you installed gentoo before?
[15:35:18] <Bytram> oh.
[15:35:21] <Bytram> nope
[15:35:30] <SirFinkus> basically, you get a live cd
[15:35:35] <SirFinkus> and manually install the distribution
[15:36:01] <SirFinkus> the package manager downloads the source code for everything and compiles it
[15:36:20] <Bytram> okay... how well documented is it for a first-timer?
[15:36:24] <SirFinkus> very
[15:36:33] * Bytram ears perk up
[15:36:41] <SirFinkus> but expect it to take a day or so to get x up
[15:36:54] <SirFinkus> https://www.gentoo.org
[15:36:55] <NetCraft> ^ 03Gentoo Linux Documentation-- Gentoo Handbook
[15:37:12] <Bytram> fwiw, my net connection is, at best, 50KB/sec
[15:37:36] <Bytram> I'd have to go to a library or starbucks or something and do the D/L over WiFi
[15:38:10] <Bytram> and, unfortunately, I need to get ready to head out to the day job...
[15:38:17] <SirFinkus> that wouldn't be the bottleneck
[15:38:28] <Bytram> I'll leave this up for a bit until I need to shutdown and head out the door.
[15:38:47] <Bytram> I'd be open to any suggestions/cautions you might have
[15:38:51] <SirFinkus> on an atom, the bottleneck is gonna be the the untarring and compiling
[15:39:06] <Bytram> I'm especially concerned (based on what I've read) asbout possible problems with drivers for the display and for audio
[15:39:30] <Bytram> k
[15:39:40] <SirFinkus> if you're doing gentoo, I'd highly recommend just booting the live cd, starting ssh, then using your main computer to ssh into it
[15:39:54] <SirFinkus> it's much more pleasant being able to copy/paste urls and commands
[15:40:51] <SirFinkus> I'm assuming you have some unix skills, comfortable using the command line and basic utilities and such
[15:40:59] <Bytram> starting the ssh daemon on the EEE?
[15:41:05] <SirFinkus> yeah
[15:41:19] <Bytram> yuppers - I'm cool with userland stuff (pipes, awk, sed, emacs, etc)
[15:41:32] <Bytram> it's the system stuff I'm newish at
[15:41:58] <Bytram> (though I've *tested* some operating systems before - so I understand the general concepts)
[15:42:17] <Bytram> ok, gtg back in a bit
[15:42:23] <SirFinkus> the "installer" is just a live cd, you use it to format the disks, then you download some packages, untar them onto your new disk, chroot into that installation, then install packages/grub/config files
[15:46:19] <Bytram> how do you boot from the "CD" when the EEE doesn't have a CD drive? can you boot from a USB memory stick?
[15:46:19] <ciri> you talking to me?
[15:48:37] <SirFinkus> usb works
[15:48:51] <SirFinkus> might have to use unetbootin or something
[15:49:05] <SirFinkus> or maybe just dd
[16:01:03] <Bytram> k
[16:01:38] <Bytram> since my EEE is my ony box that I can bring to a fast connection, is there a way to D/L everything I'd need, just once, and then take it from there?
[16:02:00] <Bytram> (from what you said about D/L the live CD and then it D/L's packages)
[16:02:08] <SirFinkus> yeah, but I've never done that before
[16:02:23] <Bytram> I *really* appreciate the pointers! thanks so much!
[16:02:24] <SirFinkus> let me check how much other stuff you'll need aside from the live cd
[16:02:29] <Bytram> thanks!
[16:02:41] * Bytram resumes brushing teeth
[16:04:46] <SirFinkus> the portage snapshot is around 70MB, you can grab that too
[16:05:02] <SirFinkus> http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu
[16:05:57] <Bytram> that's a big help!
[16:06:27] <Bytram> ok, I gotta go, but this channel is logged, so if you think of anything else, just put it up here and I'll see it when I get home tonight.
[16:06:35] <Bytram> I can't thank you enough!
[16:06:40] <Bytram> SirFinkus++
[16:06:40] <Bender> karma - sirfinkus: 4
[16:06:45] <Bytram> SirFinkus++
[16:06:45] <Bender> karma - sirfinkus: 5
[16:06:49] <Bytram> SirFinkus++
[16:06:49] <Bytram> SirFinkus++
[16:06:49] <Bender> karma - sirfinkus: 6
[16:06:49] <Bender> karma - sirfinkus: 7
[16:07:08] <SirFinkus> oh, this too http://gentoo.mirrors.hoobly.com
[16:07:44] <SirFinkus> that's most of the stuff you'll need to get a very minimal linux install
[16:07:49] <Bytram> huh. an intel atom qualifies as a "686"?
[16:08:24] <SirFinkus> 90% sure, could grab the 486 to be safe
[16:08:33] <SirFinkus> http://gentoo.mirrors.hoobly.com
[16:08:38] <Bytram> got it!
[16:09:00] <Bytram> muchos gracias! Danke Sehr! Obligado! and thanks!
[16:09:10] <SirFinkus> np
[16:09:10] <Bytram> gtg
[16:09:13] <Bytram> ciao for now
[16:09:14] <SirFinkus> have fun
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[17:07:39] <mrcoolbp> Still need someone with Ubuntu 14.04 with Firefox 33 for a quick test
[17:31:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - BBC Removes RSS Feeds, Breaks 3rd-party iPlayer Apps on Purpose - http://sylnt.us - touching-your-stuff
[18:08:46] <ar> hm
[18:09:09] <ar> mrcoolbp: in about 18 hours i should be able to test a thing
[18:09:23] <ar> mrcoolbp: unless you find someone with ubuntu and firefox sooner
[18:09:46] <mrcoolbp> ar: cool, just testing the paypal link from "Subscriptions" page
[19:30:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Physics Behind Kelvin's Thunderstorm - http://sylnt.us - Behring-every-great-thunderstorm
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[20:39:41] <ar> http://cryptome.org - as if anyone's surprised
[20:39:42] <NetCraft> ^ 03Microsoft OneDrive in NSA PRISM
[20:45:09] <chromas> "This means that analysts will no longer have to make a special request to SSO for this — a process step that many analysts may not have known about"
[20:45:25] <chromas> Does that mean they just skipped that step?
[21:13:18] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:13:18] <Bender> karma - coffee: 882
[21:13:58] <crutchy> they prolly never new the step existed in the first place, so the NSA just got rid of it so they don't look bad when it comes out on wikileaks :d
[21:14:05] <crutchy> *knew
[21:15:09] * chromas puts Bobby Tables into OneDrive
[21:17:37] <chromas> noooo!!!!2
[21:17:49] * chromas redirects that comment to #test
[21:30:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Sorry State of Reporting on Space - http://sylnt.us - beware-of-Muphry's-Law
[21:34:21] * SirFinkus loves his new strings
[21:50:59] <ar> https://github.com
[21:51:04] <ar> coffee--
[21:51:04] <Bender> karma - coffee: 881
[21:51:05] <ar> tea++
[21:51:05] <Bender> karma - tea: 183
[21:53:05] <SirFinkus> tea++
[21:53:05] <Bender> karma - tea: 184
[21:55:07] <crutchy> what's with the code ar?
[21:55:28] <crutchy> besides its in c, and that's awesome! :D
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[21:57:33] <ar> crutchy: it looks like a massive clusterfuck
[21:58:39] <crutchy> it does?
[21:58:51] <crutchy> dunno. looks ok to me
[21:59:01] <crutchy> i dunno much about nginx though
[22:00:50] <crutchy> is it possible to capture ctrl+left-click in a browser with js?
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[22:02:37] <crutchy> would be awesome in github if you could ctrl+click the name of a function defined in the same repo and it goes to that definition in a new tab
[22:04:08] <AndyTheAbsurd> crutchy: yes it is, according to a post I found on StackOverflow...you want a link to it?
[22:04:34] <crutchy> cool!
[22:04:51] <crutchy> now we just need to petition github to get awesomer
[22:05:20] <crutchy> stack_overflow++
[22:05:20] <Bender> karma - stack_overflow: 1
[22:05:38] <crutchy> lot of crap there, but the scoring system generally weeds it out
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[22:29:20] <SirFinkus> any UK people on?
[22:29:43] <SirFinkus> I need someone to reassure me that this is photoshoped
[22:29:44] <SirFinkus> http://i.imgur.com
[22:30:02] <crutchy> juggs ^
[22:31:59] <crutchy> i dunno why organizations like the MPAA etc bother tbh
[22:32:29] <SirFinkus> to justify their existence?
[22:32:33] <crutchy> surely people can't be *that* stupid to buy into propaganda
[22:32:50] <crutchy> hmm
[22:32:58] <crutchy> actually, i take that back
[22:33:37] <SirFinkus> it just seems like the country that brought us George Orwell would bristle a little more at "secure beneath watchful eyes"
[22:33:58] <crutchy> does say something though
[22:34:06] <SirFinkus> oh wait, nobody reads
[22:34:46] <crutchy> its an admission by the government that they are spying on public internet histories
[22:35:37] <crutchy> though i guess most non-totally-ignorant internet users probably assume they are being monitored regardless
[22:35:48] <SirFinkus> well, public in the sense that the isp knows
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[22:36:04] <SirFinkus> feds shouldn't know
[22:36:22] <SirFinkus> and I feel like all logs should be purged or anonymized immediately
[22:36:30] <Ethanol-fueled> It says I have one mod point, but there are no "moderate" dropdowns or buttons. Did I do a bad mod, or issit a bug?
[22:36:41] <crutchy> isn't that why the NSA invented TOR?
[22:36:56] <SirFinkus> I'm not a sysadmin, but I don't buy the "we need to log activity for diagnostic purposes"
[22:36:59] <Ethanol-fueled> anyway, back to the Seahawks-Raiders game. Fucking loser Chargers...
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[22:37:44] <crutchy> i was watching a doco about tor
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[22:38:05] <crutchy> its a strange acronym
[22:38:14] <SirFinkus> whenever I call first tier isp cs drones, they've never provided me any help beyond "reboot your router"
[22:38:42] <SirFinkus> I kind of doubt they're troubleshooting anything that would require logs of where I've been visiting
[22:38:46] <crutchy> in fairness, 98.4% of their calls that would be the right answer
[22:39:32] <SirFinkus> I've bitched about them hijacking dns queries and I've never been escalated
[22:39:51] <SirFinkus> you know, to someone who actually knows what "DNS" stands for
[22:40:14] <crutchy> yeah that would suck
[22:40:23] <crutchy> my isp is pretty good support-wise
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[22:40:50] <crutchy> they even helped with some issues i was having with my linux server
[22:41:01] <crutchy> early on
[22:41:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine is at&t, their service level goes without saying I think.
[22:41:17] <crutchy> small is better
[22:41:35] <crutchy> though i think Aussie Broadband is getting much bigger nowadays
[22:41:41] <crutchy> it used to be Wideband
[22:41:50] <SirFinkus> do you still have stupid bandwidth caps and such?
[22:42:05] <crutchy> bandwidth caps are the norm in australia
[22:42:13] <crutchy> i have 200 gb now
[22:42:14] <silverly> we do
[22:42:16] <SirFinkus> yes, but they're still stupid
[22:43:04] <silverly> its weird for sure, they double dip with speed + usage
[22:43:07] <crutchy> unless you're streaming hd video non stop, 200 gb per month is a fair bit
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[22:43:38] <Ethanol-fueled> Never mind guys, I'm an idiot. Disregard previous comment.
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[22:43:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> Yeah, like we didn't know that.
[22:43:55] <crutchy> SirFinkus, there's no limit on usage. they just shape when you go over your limit
[22:43:59] <crutchy> which kinda sucks
[22:44:09] <crutchy> but meh. you get what you pay for
[22:44:12] <crutchy> as always
[22:44:27] <crutchy> (with internet anyway)
[22:44:37] <SirFinkus> they're trying to do that here too
[22:44:47] <SirFinkus> and 200gb isn't a fair bit imo
[22:45:07] <silverly> i think the worst part of aussie internet is lack of competition (as well as fucked up fiber)
[22:45:17] <SirFinkus> so you have a family, everyone's using netflix, people are downloading games on steam etc
[22:45:28] <SirFinkus> could hit that pretty rapidly
[22:45:31] * silverly tony where is my fiber pls
[22:46:45] <crutchy> hmm. just realised my plan is 250GB
[22:47:09] <silverly> lmao, nice, 50GB more for downloading
[22:48:08] <crutchy> $60/month
[22:48:17] <crutchy> for 250 gb
[22:49:00] <crutchy> when/if NBN finally gets into my area the price will go up no doubt :/
[22:49:28] <SirFinkus> looks like I've used 500GB over the past 30 days
[22:49:42] <crutchy> would be good to have slightly faster connection
[22:50:24] <SirFinkus> which I don't consider outrageous
[22:50:52] <crutchy> damn. my speed test was only 10.25 mb/s :(
[22:51:00] <crutchy> sometimes can get up to about 12
[22:51:05] <SirFinkus> B or b
[22:51:15] <silverly> crunchy, damn that is cheap
[22:51:17] <crutchy> Mbps
[22:51:26] <SirFinkus> ah
[22:51:48] <silverly> we are paying 100 for internet (250gb, 8Down, 0.8 up) + phone
[22:52:37] <crutchy> that's prolly about the same as me silverly. except slightly quicker connection (cos i'm fairly close to exchange)
[22:52:43] <SirFinkus> I pay around that for 50mbps and no caps
[22:53:02] <crutchy> but shitty support :p
[22:53:10] <SirFinkus> well, technically there's a 250GB cap, but I've never been bitched at
[22:53:20] <SirFinkus> or had my speeds slowed
[22:53:48] <crutchy> 250gb is a lot for me
[22:54:01] * silverly praise our bigpond overlords.
[22:54:30] <SirFinkus> it might be different here, all our isps have bought out the local governments and colluded to divide up their territory
[22:54:48] <SirFinkus> we only have a choice between dial up (lol) dsl, or the local cable company
[22:55:09] <SirFinkus> oh, and satellite, but that might as well be dial up
[22:55:15] <silverly> ours was government owned then we told it to one company
[22:55:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have a choice between at&t uverse or at&t uverse. they don't offer dial-up even if they offer better in an area.
[22:56:23] <SirFinkus> australia almost has an excuse because it's a rather sparsely populated island
[22:56:48] <SirFinkus> I can understand it's expensive to build cables and such
[22:57:14] <silverly> yeah, that is the only thing that is true
[22:57:30] <silverly> but 90% of the population live along the coast
[22:57:44] <SirFinkus> I meant undersea stuff
[22:57:57] <silverly> ah my bad SirFinkus
[22:58:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause everything on the interior wants to kill and eat you.
[22:58:13] <SirFinkus> I've got friends in japan with awesome connections, but it's different there because nobody else speaks Japanese
[22:58:22] <SirFinkus> basically a giant lan party
[22:58:37] <crutchy> lol
[22:58:44] <silverly> Japan is amazing
[22:58:55] <SirFinkus> australians speak a primitive form of english, so they need the entire web
[22:58:57] <crutchy> they live in cupboards in japan so rent is cheaper
[22:58:58] <SirFinkus> ;)
[22:59:32] <silverly> haha, yeah, everything is tiny, but once you are used to it/ not living in the city, its pretty nice
[23:00:15] <crutchy> takes me an hour and a half to mow my back lawn
[23:00:25] <crutchy> wouldnt have it any other way
[23:00:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> that a euphemism for shaving your butt?
[23:00:55] <silverly> lol
[23:00:56] <crutchy> lol i was just thinking that too :D
[23:00:56] <ciri> lol that's funny!
[23:00:57] <ciri> lol that's funny!
[23:01:28] <crutchy> butt hair is cushiony :p
[23:01:47] <silverly> ciri is that one fucking creepy girl that pops out of fucking nowhere when its inappropriate and just says random pointless shit
[23:02:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'why i put her on ignore
[23:03:07] <silverly> TheMightyBuzzard doing that now
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[23:05:12] * silverly should get a proper irc client so i can do that
[23:11:35] <SirFinkus> yeah, you really shoulc
[23:11:39] <SirFinkus> should even
[23:11:47] <SirFinkus> hexchat is decent on windows
[23:11:58] * crutchy is still stuck on xchat
[23:12:10] <SirFinkus> well, isn't hexchat the same thing?
[23:12:20] <crutchy> it looks slightly different
[23:12:29] <crutchy> resistance_to_change--
[23:12:29] <Bender> karma - resistance_to_change: -1
[23:12:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> hexchat gets updated. xchat doesn't.
[23:12:44] <SirFinkus> I thought they were the same codebase, but the xchat people want windows folks to pay for it
[23:12:56] <crutchy> tmb, xchat it is then :p
[23:13:07] <silverly> im at work and all the ports are blocked
[23:13:16] <SirFinkus> oh, lame
[23:13:26] <silverly> otherwise i would have ssh out to my box and do irc from there
[23:13:31] <crutchy> didn't you take the day off silverly?
[23:13:49] <crutchy> for the 'race that the nation uses as an excuse to take a long weekend'
[23:14:04] <silverly> isnt that tommorow?
[23:14:06] <SirFinkus> I'm sure there something or other that will serve your irc session on a webpage
[23:14:10] <SirFinkus> on port 80
[23:14:15] <crutchy> yeah
[23:14:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> run your ssh server on port 80 and have it forward to port 6697 on irc.soylentnews.org
[23:14:37] <crutchy> chat.soylentnews.org
[23:14:45] <silverly> nah, i wanted to earn money before i take next week off to sit exams
[23:14:46] <crutchy> i used that for months
[23:14:57] <SirFinkus> that would work too
[23:15:13] <crutchy> the webchat has brighter colors for some reason
[23:15:46] <silverly> i tried that, so on http://sdf.org they let you ssh in 80 but i cant get through my proxy
[23:15:46] <NetCraft> ^ 03SDF Public Access UNIX System - Free Shell Account and Shell Access
[23:16:49] <silverly> or i havent figured it out
[23:17:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> use your home box to bounce through instead of sdf.org then
[23:17:20] <crutchy> need to set up an old box for a proxy that takes port 80 traffic and iptables it to port 6697
[23:17:31] <crutchy> yeah what tmb said :d
[23:18:20] <silverly> i know an exploit that i use sometimes, we have an internal and external network, and if i boot up my laptop and run a vm when trying to connect to internal, then fail since i dont have credentals, then switch back to external, i can ssh into that VM and get out.
[23:18:33] <crutchy> is there a soylent bnc that subscribers can use?
[23:19:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> no but it's an idea
[23:19:34] <crutchy> better get coding then
[23:19:39] <crutchy> chop chop :p
[23:20:11] * crutchy wonders if exec could perform bnc duties
[23:20:22] <crutchy> nah it borks too often
[23:21:14] <crutchy> and i'd need to get the server script working, which aint happenin
[23:21:34] <chromas> ciri++
[23:21:34] <Bender> karma - ciri: 5
[23:52:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Quantum Biology - http://sylnt.us - Life-but-not-as-we-know-it
[23:53:30] <chromas> Quantum Kitty