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[00:09:41] <crutchy> im kinda thinking blackmoores article is gunna be flamebait
[00:10:16] <chromas> ~submit http://www.upi.com
[00:12:11] <chromas> This is also amusing: http://www.wpxi.com
[00:14:40] <crutchy> post office to deliver groceries?
[00:16:19] * chromas requisitions a larger mailbox
[00:18:49] <chromas> "Taxpayers Protection Alliance submitted complaints to USPS regulators when the plan was proposed, claiming USPS will unfairly distort the market."
[00:19:11] <chromas> I dungeddit. usps doesn't get tax money
[00:40:00] <crutchy> taxayers protection alliance hah!
[00:40:31] <crutchy> so where's their complaint about the pentagon?
[00:40:40] <crutchy> and obamacare?
[00:40:48] <crutchy> and the federal reserve?
[00:41:00] <crutchy> social security, etc
[00:41:32] <crutchy> the US taxpayer has been slowly dying for years
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[00:43:19] <chromas> "Inserting themselves into this industry space would simply be another way for the USPS to expand their reach without instituting real reform, not to fulfill its mandate of delivering the mail on time to its customers anywhere in the country. This growth would work to push out already established private providers"
[00:43:48] <chromas> yeah, not like it already delivers for Amazon, Tiger, Newegg and everyone else already
[00:43:55] <chromas> oh wait a minute
[00:44:47] <crutchy> amazon is going to deliver the same way the pentagon does; with drones and hellfire missiles... "the fastest delivery ever!"
[00:45:14] <chromas> it's 'cause they watched Invader Zim
[00:45:20] <crutchy> ok so you may not have much of a parcel, or a house left
[00:45:27] <chromas> meteor package delivery
[00:45:42] <chromas> I can buy a new house from Amazon :)
[00:45:52] <crutchy> ooh good market strategy
[00:46:13] <crutchy> why buy a dvd, when you can buy a dvd and then a new house!?
[00:46:27] <crutchy> insurance companies will love that
[00:46:38] <crutchy> well, for houses that are insurance
[00:46:44] <crutchy> *insured
[00:46:57] <chromas> don't need no stinkin' insurance!
[00:47:08] <chromas> new house comes with a five-year warranty
[00:47:20] <chromas> but it's voided if I install Linux
[00:47:43] <crutchy> oh yeah and i guess the insurer of the old house doesn't need to worry cos the fed will just print the money
[00:48:05] <crutchy> oh my. need a special linux-friendly hellfire delivery service
[00:48:21] <crutchy> HDS Inc
[00:49:06] <chromas> Additionally, buy buying a new house, I already terminated the insurance agreement on the previous house, even though that happened after
[00:49:56] <crutchy> could also be Human Delivery Service... "we'll send your loved ones to heaven faster than anyone else"
[00:52:04] <crutchy> the previous house was insured under the new house, which wasn't built yet, with the understanding that the new house will be insured by what could have been the old house if it weren't for your purchase of said dvd by the hellfire delivery service (tm)
[00:53:15] <chromas> but dammit, I assumed it would be cruise missile delivery but they went with the cheapest, which also takes longer because it went through FedEx SmartPost
[00:53:49] <chromas> so they actually blew up houses in Canada, Alaska and Singapore before getting to mine
[00:53:55] <crutchy> could be worse... i wouldn't recommend Scud Delivery Service
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[00:56:34] <chromas> enlightenment-- # for no window grouping
[00:56:34] <Bender> karma - enlightenment: 0
[00:58:45] <SpallsHurgenson> that's just its way of telling you that you have too many applications running; focus, man, focus!
[00:59:25] <chromas> I…I don't understand. Too many? What?
[01:00:31] <chromas> only have 202 processes running
[01:00:48] <chromas> htop says 78 Tasks
[01:01:21] <SpallsHurgenson> good god man, what are you doing? modern computers can't handle a load like that! keep it to a single thread, preferably at 8MHz or less!
[01:02:04] * chromas packs up his awesome e virtual desktops and installs MS DOS
[01:02:52] <SpallsHurgenson> <whew> that was a close one!
[01:02:52] <chromas> ooh, and Quattro, WordPerfect and gw-basic
[01:03:31] * chromas plays 350 rounds of LEM
[01:03:39] <crutchy> why do i have 129 tasks running :/
[01:04:06] * crutchy needs systemd so that he only has 1 task running :d
[01:04:25] <chromas> how many processes?
[01:04:25] <ciri> not sure
[01:04:29] <chromas> well check
[01:04:36] <chromas> !up
[01:04:38] <chromas> !uptime
[01:04:38] <Bender> uptime is 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours 52 minutes and 30 seconds
[01:04:54] <chromas> Bender: systemctl reload karma
[01:05:04] <chromas> Bender: systemd++
[01:05:12] <chromas> Bender: karma systemd
[01:05:12] <Bender> karma of systemd is -14
[01:05:57] <chromas> Bender: join #github
[01:05:59] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm...decision time: Ashley or Kaiden
[01:06:06] <chromas> :(
[01:06:32] <crutchy> how do i get number of processes?
[01:06:33] <ciri> doing good, and you?
[01:06:40] <chromas> "If you can't decide then stop playing Mass Effect. The game is about personal preferances and choices. You can't make choices then this game is not for you. "
[01:06:58] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: you can $flip
[01:07:01] <chromas> $flip a b
[01:07:03] <chromas> $coinflip a b
[01:07:09] <chromas> :(
[01:07:11] <crutchy> !coin
[01:07:15] <crutchy> !flip
[01:07:20] <crutchy> !flop
[01:07:27] <crutchy> !flippity-flop
[01:07:41] * SpallsHurgenson kills Ashley 'cause I need somebody with good tech skills to unlock all the loot-boxes
[01:07:43] <chromas> $coin systemd systemd
[01:07:43] * aqu4 flips a bubblegum covered penny on "systemd systemd"
[01:07:44] <aqu4> I got tails.
[01:08:01] <chromas> !flippity floppity floop
[01:11:06] <chromas> dunno, crutchy; not sure what makes it a 'task' vs a process
[01:11:17] <chromas> htop only shows tasks I guess
[01:11:21] <chromas> ksysguard shows more
[01:11:30] <juggs> yay for daylight savings - just "gained" and hour
[01:11:44] <chromas> top shows all processes and calls them tasks but top sucks
[01:11:49] <SpallsHurgenson> bah, outdated mechanism! down with DST!
[01:11:54] <chromas> dst--
[01:11:54] <Bender> karma - dst: -1
[01:12:01] <SpallsHurgenson> dst--
[01:12:01] <Bender> karma - dst: -2
[01:12:07] <SpallsHurgenson> that's right, take that DST!
[01:12:30] <juggs> I wholeheartedly agree Spalls
[01:13:54] <SpallsHurgenson> although I will admit it is slightly less annoying these days then when I was growing up since all my devices and timepieces automatically change the time :)
[01:16:19] <chromas> Fortunately, dst just ended so we can party now
[01:16:40] <chromas> htop
[01:16:43] <chromas> herp
[01:16:55] <chromas> this isn't a terminal?
[01:17:12] <SpallsHurgenson> try su htop
[01:17:23] <chromas> su top
[01:17:28] * chromas waits for the prompt
[01:17:28] <SpallsHurgenson> password required:
[01:17:51] <chromas> su: user top does not exist
[01:18:55] <chromas> sudo top
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[01:19:37] <Ethanol-fueled> This song is depressing.
[01:19:39] <chromas> mostOf myPasswords looklikeThis
[01:19:54] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[01:19:54] <NetCraft> ^ 03Pink Floyd - Dogs [Full Song] - YouTube
[01:21:12] <Ethanol-fueled> You've got to strike when the moment is right without thinking!
[01:22:04] <juggs> Ahh - Battersea power station - think they turned that into bijou apartments now, or maybe office space
[01:24:08] <juggs> lovely smoke belching coal powered station bang in the middle of London... can't imagine why it end up decommissioned :D
[01:24:38] <crutchy> they should make it into a museum about the industrial revolution
[01:25:08] <crutchy> lots of history in london
[01:26:53] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy.
[01:27:14] <Ethanol-fueled> Katy Perry shows her armpits for you.
[01:27:22] <juggs> true - but that thing's only ~80 years old and was pretty much falling down. The four chimneys are pretty iconic though - pretty for a power station really.
[01:28:30] <Ethanol-fueled> juggs: Because people are animals.
[01:28:39] <crutchy> i like coal power stations
[01:28:55] * Ethanol-fueled listens to "sheep"
[01:28:58] <crutchy> they aren't environmentally friendly, but there has been a lot of development to improve them
[01:29:31] <juggs> probably wasn't the most pleasant place to live around when it was doing this all day..... http://palhire.co.uk
[01:29:49] <crutchy> nod
[01:29:55] <Ethanol-fueled> Brits are awesome. Too bad they're turning into cucks giving up their rights.
[01:30:14] <juggs> what rights? don;t think we ever had any
[01:30:27] <Ethanol-fueled> Come on, Brits. You are the motherfuckers with stiff upper lips, who didn't take shit from nooone.
[01:30:32] <crutchy> e-f, the only people that aren't giving up their rights are the ones being mowed down by drones
[01:30:34] <Ethanol-fueled> why give up now?
[01:30:52] <crutchy> in the mid east
[01:31:16] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, the only people mowed down by drones are goat-fuckers.
[01:31:26] <Ethanol-fueled> goat-fuckers don't matter
[01:31:37] <Ethanol-fueled> those are the ones better off dead.
[01:31:43] <crutchy> not really. they are the only ones in the world that know what its like to have to fight for freedom and survival
[01:31:58] <crutchy> you, me, we're all the same... we are the sheep
[01:32:05] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, I don't believe that.
[01:32:16] <crutchy> you don't have to. its just the way it is
[01:32:22] <crutchy> unfortunately
[01:32:28] <Ethanol-fueled> I agree that we are sheep, but some people are more useless than others.
[01:32:43] <Ethanol-fueled> durka-durkas are scum. The roaches of the world.
[01:32:56] <crutchy> useless is subjective. how useful are we at defending our own freedom?
[01:33:02] <Ethanol-fueled> like America's Mexicans :)
[01:33:17] <juggs> I want one of these... http://news.bbc.co.uk just because... dials n stuff!
[01:33:19] <NetCraft> ^ 03BBC NEWS | In pictures | Battersea Power Station ( http://news.bbc.co.uk )
[01:33:19] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy: we'll see when the shit hits the fan. :)
[01:34:01] <SpallsHurgenson> the consoles in the background look more exciting to me
[01:34:22] <crutchy> and unfortunately it will. and we will be fucked. without electricity and supermarkets and refrigeration, most of the 'civilized' world will die off
[01:34:28] <chromas> weird; juggs gets /1/shared and I get /2/shared. Guess we only get twos in america
[01:35:40] <SpallsHurgenson> woot, America is twice as good!
[01:35:57] <Ethanol-fueled> UP AGIANST THE WALL, motherfuckers.
[01:36:02] <Ethanol-fueled> *click click*
[01:36:07] * Leebert hugs Ethanol-fueled
[01:36:42] <crutchy> hehe "This area could be safely accessed only recently after deadly asbestos had been removed"
[01:36:57] <crutchy> i walked along a turbine hall a couple of days ago
[01:37:09] <crutchy> the entire building was clad with asbestos
[01:37:19] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, what stake to turbine addicts have in a PHP guru?
[01:37:31] <crutchy> ke?
[01:37:35] <SpallsHurgenson> DEADLY asbestos
[01:37:47] <crutchy> must be a different type of asbestos
[01:37:50] <crutchy> mutated
[01:37:54] * Ethanol-fueled rocks deadly asbestos in the imperial valley
[01:38:05] <Ethanol-fueled> the most polluted river in north America
[01:38:17] <Ethanol-fueled> the highest rate of teen pregnancy in North America
[01:38:27] <Ethanol-fueled> the place I was raised (heart)
[01:38:45] <Ethanol-fueled> http://en.wikipedia.org
[01:38:46] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03Imperial Valley
[01:39:46] <crutchy> ooh colorado river
[01:39:59] * crutchy would like to visit colorado river one day
[01:39:59] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, we go jam at the colorado for fun
[01:40:20] <Ethanol-fueled> there's a sandbar where errybody parks their boats and we al drink.
[01:41:00] <Ethanol-fueled> and at that sandbar fights always break out because women show their tits and the men who love them start fights.
[01:41:01] <chromas> ef just likes it because it's shaped like a giant penis
[01:41:36] <Ethanol-fueled> no joke, we rolled a tin-can dinghy into the sandbar and watched motherfuckers get beat up
[01:48:28] <juggs> generally asbestos cladding tiles and most other asbestos used in construction are fine until messed with - drilled, cut, smashed or w/e. Certainly wouldn't want to work with the stuff regularly, its dust does some nasty shit to the lungs.
[01:50:58] <crutchy> the stuff where i was is just corrugated sheeting. its exposed, but yeah as long as nobody messes with it i don't worry
[01:51:19] <chromas> scratch'n'sniff
[02:00:19] <Ethanol-fueled> I want to fight.
[02:00:31] <Ethanol-fueled> should I go down the alley and pick a fight with a Mexican?
[02:01:15] <Ethanol-fueled> This will be the song during the fight:
[02:01:16] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[02:01:17] <NetCraft> ^ 03TMNT Arcade music - Fight! (Boss Battle) - YouTube
[02:01:54] <Ethanol-fueled> got that nice '80s hard sync synthesizer riff
[02:02:19] <Ethanol-fueled> http://en.wikipedia.org
[02:02:19] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03Oscillator sync
[02:11:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Some Features of the New CrossOver 14 - http://sylnt.us - running-apps-without-dual-booting
[02:12:39] <crutchy> i've seen pics on liveleak showing what mexican drug cartels do to people
[02:13:14] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy: and you wonder why I warn you all of the Brown Menace.
[02:13:41] <Ethanol-fueled> Every mexican could be considered to be a violent retard.
[02:13:45] <crutchy> people are c*nts regardless of their skin color
[02:14:08] <Ethanol-fueled> and they will stop at nothing to violate every obstacle, every person, in their path.
[02:14:39] <crutchy> they're prolly financed by the US government
[02:15:03] <crutchy> if not directly, they're certainly helped by the DEA killing off all the competition
[02:15:44] <Ethanol-fueled> Whites have morals and values.
[02:15:50] <crutchy> and drones
[02:15:51] <juggs> it's not that long since the brits were blockading and laying cannon fire on chinese ports to enforce being able to sell their opium shipments there. I don't think anyone has clean hands when it comes to such things.
[02:16:30] <Ethanol-fueled> juggs: does that mean you endorse the Brown Muslim welfare given to immigrants of Britain?
[02:16:54] <crutchy> i don't endorse welfare given to anyone... especially whites
[02:17:05] * juggs whacks Ethanol-fueled - stop trolling :P
[02:17:21] <Ethanol-fueled> seeing people struggle in poverty while people living in the third-world and breeding recklessly take your tax dollars and live the life of Riley?
[02:17:36] <Ethanol-fueled> I am not trolling, I am telling the uncomfortable truth.
[02:17:42] <juggs> https://en.wikiquote.org ... "Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
[02:17:43] <NetCraft> ^ 03George Santayana - Wikiquote
[02:17:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Which is what I do and why a lot don't like me.
[02:17:52] <crutchy> people who take money that is offered to them aren't to blame
[02:18:11] <crutchy> its the idiots that dish out the money that isn't theirs to win votes
[02:18:21] <crutchy> that are to blame
[02:18:34] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, you are correct. And that is a problem here as much as it is a problem on your isle.
[02:18:40] <crutchy> nod
[02:19:10] <crutchy> fortunately we have a slightly more conservative government atm, which is at least making token efforts to make it harder to access welfare
[02:19:17] <crutchy> not sure how well it will work
[02:19:40] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, are you a Brit or Aussie? I always forget
[02:19:42] <juggs> The UK has a long history of encouraging immigration - particularly from its former colonies - and particularly in the times following two notably destructive large wars.
[02:19:44] <crutchy> there's also the war on boat people here
[02:19:49] <crutchy> <-- aussie
[02:19:51] <Ethanol-fueled> why is that, Juggs?
[02:20:13] <Ethanol-fueled> oh yeah crutchy, I loved reading the news when your kind were rejecting boats
[02:20:38] <juggs> Because a great deal of the work age males were wiped out in the wars E-F.
[02:20:48] <Ethanol-fueled> bullshit, Juggs.
[02:21:01] <crutchy> i don't have anything against boat people tbh. i just don't think they should be given immediate rights to tax payer dollars
[02:21:11] <Ethanol-fueled> that sounds like something a baby-boomer politicial would say to justify fucking over the population-at-large.
[02:21:33] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy - boat people should be machine-gunned into the sea.
[02:21:46] <juggs> lol - what next? "they're taking our jerbs!"?
[02:21:51] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, now you're sounding like a Mexican
[02:22:01] <Ethanol-fueled> juggs: do you deny that's the truth?
[02:22:19] <Ethanol-fueled> or to use MBA speak...what value to nonskilled immigrants add?
[02:22:27] <crutchy> jerbs aren't a problem anywhere
[02:22:35] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy: I AM partially Mexican.
[02:22:48] <crutchy> people who complain about there being no jobs just aren't willing to work the ones that are available
[02:23:17] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, that's bullshit. Okay, it's not, because there are plenty of jobs....
[02:23:31] <Ethanol-fueled> ....the fight is about lowering wages
[02:23:34] <crutchy> there's always fruit picking if nothing else. most fruit farms have to hire illegals just to fill those positions cos no locals are willing to work them
[02:24:07] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy: I come from an agricultural community. Anybody will pick lettuce for 15 bucks an hour
[02:24:28] <crutchy> maybe, but then you'd be paying through the neexk at the supermarket
[02:24:33] <crutchy> *neck
[02:25:25] <Ethanol-fueled> we'll see, crutchy. A minimim wage increase is to be legislated here soon.
[02:25:56] <juggs> E-F: UK unemployment is back to pre '07/'08 crash levels. The vast majority of immigrants are not sat around scrounging off the state here. The problem for unskilled workers is that there is quite simply less call for unskilled work in a modern society. That's a societal problem for sure, but it's not going to get any better as we improve robotics and automation - but we're in buggy whip manufacturer territory here.
[02:26:06] <crutchy> people who demand higher wages are usually welfare bums not willing to work because they think they're worth more than they really are. most wouldn't pay a dollar more for their burger even if that dollar went deirectly to the worker that served them
[02:26:47] <Ethanol-fueled> juggs: here in the southwestern USA there is plenty of demand for unskilled labor.
[02:26:57] <crutchy> if you want higher wages, you want higher prices
[02:27:40] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy: I hold the belief that any full-time job, 40 or more hours a week, should provide enough income for a single person's living expenses.
[02:27:53] <crutchy> that's total crap though
[02:28:03] <crutchy> are are only what you're worth
[02:28:15] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy: not really. It just means that the people on top profiting will have to profit slightly less.
[02:28:18] <crutchy> if you can't afford to live on your wage, reskill
[02:28:26] <crutchy> they wont though
[02:28:37] <crutchy> whats their incentive?
[02:28:42] <juggs> I'm struggling to recall, isn't their some scandiwegian country that already has a blanket socialised payout to every citizen that is suffice to live on?
[02:28:42] <crutchy> they take all the risk
[02:29:16] <Ethanol-fueled> juggs: it's called "Great Britain" and they are a multicultural paradise Bahahahahaha
[02:29:36] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy: they depend on people buying their shit.
[02:29:51] <Ethanol-fueled> They raise prices, people don't buy their shit.
[02:29:57] <crutchy> the occupy idiots fail to understand what profit is. rich people don't just sit on big piles of money. much of it is reinvested in stocks etc.
[02:30:18] <crutchy> which goes into companies to buy machinery and hire more people (grow businesses)
[02:30:30] <crutchy> people will always buy shit e-f
[02:30:44] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy: so the rich do sit on piles of money. They are in a situation where they hire a financial advisor and just sit without creating value themselves.
[02:30:46] <crutchy> when gas prices go up, do people stop buying gas?
[02:31:09] <crutchy> e-f, if their company loses money, they pay
[02:31:12] <juggs> E-F: indeed so. We do have a low wage problem though. People seem to see nothing wrong with corporations paying entry level workers such shit wages that they still need state handouts while the corps make out like bandits on profits and pay out large share dividends. << That shit needs sorting out more urgently than anything related to immigration as far as I'm concerned.
[02:31:22] <crutchy> employees don't take risk like stockholders and founders
[02:31:35] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy - people don't stop buying gas, but they complain...and believe it or not those complaints are heard. that's why gas prices have dropped before America's midterm elections.
[02:31:59] <Ethanol-fueled> of course, they will rise after November.
[02:32:00] <crutchy> gas prices don't drop because people complain. surely you aren't that dumb dude
[02:32:21] <Ethanol-fueled> Then why do American gas prices always drop for political reasons?
[02:32:33] <crutchy> they don't
[02:32:37] <Ethanol-fueled> surely it couldn't be because of big evil Russia.
[02:32:50] <crutchy> unless politics is influencing markets (which they possibly are to some extent)
[02:33:01] <Ethanol-fueled> oH, but they DO, Crutchy. And they rise for political reasons as well.
[02:33:21] <crutchy> on the macro level maybe
[02:33:28] <Ethanol-fueled> remember how high they were when Bush II decided it would be a good idea to invade Iraq again?
[02:33:31] <crutchy> but not because of consumer complaints
[02:33:47] <crutchy> that was because of the threat to supply
[02:33:51] <crutchy> not becuase of politics
[02:33:56] <Ethanol-fueled> onsumer complaints could be factored in as a political reason.
[02:34:04] <Ethanol-fueled> "threat to supply" BAHAHAHAHAHAH
[02:34:09] <crutchy> if a country bombs another oil-rich country, the priice of oil goes up
[02:34:14] <crutchy> that's not rocket science
[02:34:37] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, then why are gas prices going down now even though the US is bombing a bunch of oil-rich countries?
[02:34:44] <crutchy> if you get a plague that wipes out a crop, the price of that crop goes up
[02:35:21] <crutchy> not sure. it could be because there is more local supply
[02:35:28] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, if you tell the media that a plague is wiping out your crop even though only 2 of your plants perished as a result, then the cost still goes up.
[02:35:51] <crutchy> how do you figure?
[02:35:52] <ciri> don't ask me!
[02:35:59] <SpallsHurgenson> huh, crossover 14... I think the last time I played around with that, I was using version 7
[02:36:15] <chromas> it's double now; better try it again
[02:36:18] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy: You're just gonna have to trust me (or not) on this one.
[02:36:22] <crutchy> markets are fickle no doubt
[02:36:25] <chromas> it's twice as crossover
[02:36:32] <Ethanol-fueled> markets are rigged as fuck
[02:36:39] <crutchy> only in the USA
[02:36:42] <Ethanol-fueled> it's economic voodoo.
[02:36:56] <Ethanol-fueled> no, crutchy...have you heard of LIBOR?
[02:37:22] <crutchy> australia is probably affected to some extent by monetary policy in the USA and Europe, but at least we aren't artificially inflating our own currency
[02:37:33] <SpallsHurgenson> are programs like crossover even worth it anymore, with virtualization becoming so easy to use and not being as (comparatively) resource hungry anymore?
[02:37:37] <Ethanol-fueled> Makes me wish I was an investor though....common-sense shit. Dump AAPL stock when Steve-o died etc.
[02:38:01] <crutchy> nod
[02:38:17] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, 'Straya is 1984ing themselves much more quickly than America.
[02:38:19] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: depends on what you're doing and how well virtualization passes 3d graphics support
[02:38:44] <crutchy> i dunno about that
[02:38:54] <crutchy> america is pretty fucked at a moments notice
[02:39:08] <chromas> we pass the fuckings on to you!
[02:39:20] <crutchy> australia has small population on its side, and full ocean border
[02:39:30] <crutchy> lol probably to some extent
[02:39:31] <ciri> lol that's funny!
[02:40:17] <SpallsHurgenson> I doubt anything really 3d-intensive would work all that well in crossover either. I mean, CS14 is boasting that World of Warcraft and Civ5 work on their platform; these aren't particularly heavy hitters these days
[02:40:31] <SpallsHurgenson> IIRC, WoW runs in VBox too
[02:40:51] <crutchy> WoW runs natively on linux, no?
[02:40:53] <chromas> The eveil Blizzard games run mostly fine (when they run)
[02:40:56] <Ethanol-fueled> Man, I'm drunk and want to smoke some pot.
[02:41:09] <chromas> for example, D3 doesn't like to connect to the server but when it does, it works
[02:41:12] <Ethanol-fueled> I'll have to take a hike to the licka sto' and procure some more booze.
[02:41:13] <SpallsHurgenson> even less of a reason for crossover then :)
[02:41:15] <crutchy> sleep it off dude
[02:41:18] <chromas> with maximum graphics settings
[02:41:27] <crutchy> have some water and an awesome sleep
[02:41:36] <Ethanol-fueled> no crutchy. I will sleep it off when I'm DEAD. HAHAHAHHEEHEEHEHEHOOOOOOOOO!
[02:41:43] <crutchy> lol
[02:41:51] * chromas has sc2 and d3; "I can't help it! People gave them to me!"
[02:41:56] <crutchy> true dat, but sleep when alive is good too
[02:42:00] <SpallsHurgenson> honestly, whether CS or vbox, there's going to be a resource hit, and at least with virtualization you get a "real" windows environment, which cuts down on a significant number of compatibility issues
[02:42:22] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: also you don't have errant wine processes leftover sometimes
[02:42:46] <chromas> virtualization++
[02:42:46] <Bender> karma - virtualization: 1
[02:42:58] <chromas> what we need is OSs to support hotplugging video cards
[02:43:03] <crutchy> wine is ok for a lot of things. starcraft works awesome
[02:43:17] <chromas> (without screwing up the desktop icons and windows)
[02:43:31] * Ethanol-fueled leaves to get more booze and smoke more pot.
[02:43:32] <crutchy> hotswap might work better for video cos you don't have to worry about crashed heads
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[02:43:59] <SpallsHurgenson> hotswapping would probably be very accurate; wear thermal protection when removing the GPU :)
[02:43:59] <chromas> swapping too
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[02:44:18] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: the hardware doesn't have to support it; just the os
[02:44:28] <crutchy> maybe just hotswap the whole card
[02:44:39] <crutchy> screwdriver not included
[02:44:40] <chromas> that way when you swap to another VM, it get gt direct access to the card and whatever else you were running gets a virtual one
[02:44:45] <SpallsHurgenson> isn't that basically then nvidia optima :)
[02:45:05] <juggs> E-F: your gas prices are falling because you're busy fracking the stuff locally. Petroleum / oil prices are falling because OPEC spot prices went into a tailspin due to one or more of the ivolved nations deciding to do some flooding of the market. US is not a member of OPEC (although it may have a little influence on some members)
[02:45:16] * crutchy can't wait till we get OS-on-a-pci-card
[02:45:59] <SpallsHurgenson> crutchy: that better be one robust OS that doesn't need much patching (or it better have a lot of on-card storage :)
[02:46:03] <juggs> well I guess we now know what E-F gets up to in his spare time :D
[02:46:10] <crutchy> juggs, you probably right. i'm not right into studying oil prices, but it's all driven by supply and demand, not complaints
[02:46:26] <crutchy> or wages :p
[02:46:38] <crutchy> well, if wages were forced up it would affect prices
[02:46:51] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: it just need a µSD card :)
[02:47:00] * SpallsHurgenson finishes Mass Effect 1 and starts the sequel
[02:47:11] <chromas> speculation of supply and demand
[02:47:50] <crutchy> speculation of QE too :p
[02:48:23] <crutchy> funny how when QE slowed down the stock market topped out
[02:48:26] <SpallsHurgenson> damn that Queen Elizabeth!
[02:48:40] <chromas> Heresy! Get 'im, juggs!
[02:50:32] <juggs> crutchy, the oil market spot prices are thoroughly rigged via OPEC. The parties involved have their spats from time to time and one or other will go on an over-production spree to drop the prices, knowing that which ever state is the dis-flavour of the month has higher operating costs. It's just another political game.
[02:51:20] <crutchy> opec only controls supply, but that is still half the equation so its no surprise they affect oil prices
[02:51:50] <crutchy> the keynesian demand-freaks tend to forget about the supply side
[02:53:01] <juggs> ahh - those economics types with their idealistic free markets
[02:54:00] <juggs> all good in theory
[02:59:54] <crutchy> keynesians are the ones that are all for economic stimulus
[03:00:16] <crutchy> the free market types are more in the austrian school camp
[03:00:57] <crutchy> i tend to throw myself in with the austrian school. its proven itself far more than the keynesian fruitcakes
[03:01:21] <SpallsHurgenson> damn austrians and their kangaroos
[03:01:28] <crutchy> lol
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[03:02:21] <paulej72> speculators control gas prices int
[03:02:26] <chromas> must be e-f's 'bot'
[03:02:29] <paulej72> in the US
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[03:02:56] <ethanol-fueled> Whoa, man. Pot rocks.
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[03:03:16] <crutchy> milton_friedman++
[03:03:16] <Bender> karma - milton_friedman: 1
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[03:03:51] <paulej72> dkdkdkkkdkkkkdkdkkd&d&dkdkdkkdkdkdkd&:kdkdkdk:&:kdkkddk
[03:03:54] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard has dismissed marijuana as the smokeable Jew, but man, pot rocks.
[03:04:09] <Ethanol-fueled> pauley, you're not like yourself. Are you intoxicated?
[03:04:39] <chromas> he's possessed by the power of E-F's extension
[03:04:45] <crutchy> slash must be behaving itself
[03:04:53] <Ethanol-fueled> the Cyberskin Transformer?
[03:05:08] <Ethanol-fueled> it's hard not to become possessed with the Transformer's power.
[03:05:14] <crutchy> need to fill bender up with beer so he goes on a bender
[03:05:34] <chromas> Bender is sober after drinking
[03:05:41] <Ethanol-fueled> it's like in Chrono Trigger when Frog was possessed with the power of the Einlanzer and slew his buddy.
[03:05:51] <Ethanol-fueled> or was that Chrono Cross?
[03:06:01] <crutchy> voltron kicks optimus prime's ass!
[03:06:04] <crutchy> voltron++
[03:06:04] <Bender> karma - voltron: 1
[03:06:57] <crutchy> voltron ejaculates astro boys
[03:07:21] <Ethanol-fueled> voltron sucks. He's a bunch of animals.
[03:07:22] <paulej72> i do not drink much unlike others here
[03:07:36] <Ethanol-fueled> pauley, then what do you do? Shrooms? Weed?
[03:07:37] * juggs looks around nervously
[03:07:54] <paulej72> nope
[03:07:56] <crutchy> i don't drink either paulej72
[03:08:01] <Ethanol-fueled> I bet pauley does no substances.
[03:08:06] <crutchy> maybe a glass of red once a month, if that
[03:08:08] <paulej72> all natural
[03:08:24] <Ethanol-fueled> pauley - so coffee and Mountain Dew, am I right?
[03:08:41] <crutchy> coffee++
[03:08:41] <Bender> karma - coffee: 871
[03:08:53] <paulej72> too chicken-shit to start drugs. wolk
[03:09:04] <paulej72> would get hooked
[03:09:10] <crutchy> same here
[03:09:21] <crutchy> addiction is scary
[03:09:45] <paulej72> have to lay off caffien as my heart does not care for it
[03:10:08] <SpallsHurgenson> whoa, what happened to coffee... wasn't its karma 999 the other day?
[03:10:17] <SpallsHurgenson> somebody must hate the stuff even more than I do :)
[03:10:18] <juggs> ar happened to coffee
[03:10:19] <paulej72> although i still crave it
[03:10:23] <chromas> evil was afoot
[03:10:42] <Ethanol-fueled> pauley, you have an ailment?
[03:10:50] * Ethanol-fueled superventricular tachycardia here.
[03:10:52] <paulej72> !whodown coffee
[03:10:52] <Bender> downers of coffee are: ar: -365, JamesNZ: -106, swiss: -27, SpallsHurgenson: -21, crutchy: -4, NCommander: -2, prospectacle: -2, geotti: -1, chromas: -1, TheMightyBuzzard: -1, chimp: -1, AndyTheAbsurd: -1, unixpickle: -1, juggs: -1, DrMag: -1, ar_: -1, Azrael: -1
[03:11:17] <paulej72> palpatations
[03:11:27] <Ethanol-fueled> that sucks.
[03:11:39] <paulej72> some tachy too
[03:12:22] <paulej72> really feels weird when youncan fell the missed beats
[03:12:25] <juggs> coffee gives me tachy and a tremor after 3 - 4 mugs. Red wine is also a no go for me - makes me burn up.
[03:12:39] <Ethanol-fueled> yeah pauley, you can feel it in your head. Sucks.
[03:12:58] <SpallsHurgenson> coffee--
[03:12:58] <Bender> karma - coffee: 870
[03:12:59] <Ethanol-fueled> *gASP* Punch punch puches chest.
[03:13:00] <SpallsHurgenson> coffee--
[03:13:00] <Bender> karma - coffee: 869
[03:13:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson-- #coffee hater
[03:13:01] <Bender> karma - spallshurgenson: 8
[03:13:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[03:13:03] <Bender> karma - coffee: 870
[03:13:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson-- #coffee hater
[03:13:03] <Bender> karma - spallshurgenson: 7
[03:13:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[03:13:04] <Bender> karma - coffee: 871
[03:13:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[03:13:05] <Bender> karma - coffee: 872
[03:13:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[03:13:06] <Bender> karma - coffee: 873
[03:13:32] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: it was ar
[03:13:43] <chromas> we just need a two-minutes coffee++ from all the bots every night
[03:13:47] <Ethanol-fueled> arti, you mean.
[03:14:06] <Ethanol-fueled> chromas, to much coffee is like too much meth.
[03:14:20] <chromas> Ethanol-fueled: but he stoleded it!
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[03:14:31] <crutchy> prolly affects people differently
[03:14:31] <paulej72> too little coffee is like death
[03:14:39] <Ethanol-fueled> agreed, pauley.
[03:14:48] <crutchy> alcohol tends to make me sleepy, but can make others psycho
[03:14:55] * Ethanol-fueled is like mr. hyde without coffee in the morning
[03:15:00] <paulej72> pounding caffien headache
[03:15:02] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, like me.
[03:15:05] <juggs> I hate that lying in bed and getting a tachy moment just as I fall asleep... **GASP** BA-dump-dump-dump.. OK I'm still alive, time to sleep :D
[03:15:23] <Ethanol-fueled> I have been both jumped and have beaten up my friends while drunk.
[03:15:37] <Ethanol-fueled> juggs: that sounds more like apnea.
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[03:15:49] <Ethanol-fueled> or ETHANOL WITHDRAWAL
[03:15:58] <paulej72> i get sleepy when drunk
[03:16:17] <juggs> Quiet possibly on either score E-F.
[03:16:18] <JamesNZ> water++
[03:16:18] <Bender> karma - water: 12
[03:16:28] <paulej72> i got apnea too. got a cpap for that
[03:16:44] <Ethanol-fueled> pauley, does the CPAP interfere with sleep much?
[03:17:08] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHAHAHAHHA:
[03:17:09] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[03:17:09] <NetCraft> ^ 03Patrick Stewart in the drive through - YouTube
[03:17:10] <paulej72> only when my mask needs replaced like now
[03:17:13] <paulej72> t
[03:17:38] <paulej72> it leaks too much and wakes me up from the noise
[03:17:54] <Ethanol-fueled> sucks, pauley.
[03:18:10] <Ethanol-fueled> Are you Italian, Pauley?
[03:18:44] <paulej72> well if i was not so lazy i would just order replacements and have a better sleep
[03:19:00] <paulej72> i am a mutt
[03:19:05] <Ethanol-fueled> A mutt of what?
[03:19:15] * Ethanol-fueled is also a mutt...
[03:19:16] <paulej72> i have a bit of eveything
[03:19:44] * SpallsHurgenson eats dinner
[03:19:50] <Ethanol-fueled> Mutts are awesome
[03:20:02] <SpallsHurgenson> mmm, unidentifiable meat from a street vendor!
[03:20:19] <paulej72> polish, american indian, english or irish or something
[03:20:47] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahaha, you fucking Polack.
[03:21:03] <paulej72> my moms family were from the polish sections of germany
[03:21:11] <Ethanol-fueled> Germany++
[03:21:11] <Bender> karma - germany: 3
[03:22:06] <Ethanol-fueled> Krauts are wicked engineers.
[03:22:09] <paulej72> my dads side were not such eprecent immegrants so not so sur of the lineage
[03:22:47] <paulej72> my moms grandmother was Cherokee
[03:22:47] <Ethanol-fueled> Motherfuckers pull out a scientific pocket calculator and bust out solutions to differential equations.
[03:23:13] <Ethanol-fueled> INjuns!
[03:26:49] <crutchy> ruskis are good at building shit too
[03:26:58] <crutchy> and chinese too
[03:27:01] <Ethanol-fueled> the russkies are awesome.
[03:27:08] <Ethanol-fueled> chinese, nah, not so much.
[03:27:09] <crutchy> fucking building entire cities with nobody in them
[03:27:47] <Ethanol-fueled> Cold war propaganda disney cartoon Talespin portrayed Russians as warthogs flying planes with 3 engines.
[03:28:17] <Ethanol-fueled> they depicted Chinese as backstabbing pandas who had a prototype for a heat-seeking missile.
[03:28:40] <paulej72> ford tri engine was a popular airplane
[03:29:16] <JamesNZ> Was that the one made of corrugated tin?
[03:29:49] <crutchy> ruskis make the best fighter jets
[03:30:03] <paulej72> http://en.m.wikipedia.org
[03:30:04] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 0303Ford Trimotor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[03:31:15] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy - that's only because Russkies spend their money wisely and on fewer prototypes rather than the pieces of shit that are the F-22 and the F-35.
[03:31:32] <Ethanol-fueled> The best air superiority fighter of all time is the F-15 Eagle.
[03:31:55] <Ethanol-fueled> I was lucky enough to touch it while serving in the United States Air Force.
[03:31:56] <paulej72> JamesNZ: yes it was corrugated
[03:32:05] <crutchy> its heavy and slow
[03:32:10] <crutchy> and not very agile
[03:32:24] <crutchy> actually not really slow
[03:32:44] <crutchy> not a dogfighter like the f16 though
[03:32:56] <paulej72> but the f15 has automatic swepped wings
[03:33:08] <crutchy> isn't that the f14?
[03:33:13] <Ethanol-fueled> pauley, that doesn't even make sense.
[03:33:40] <crutchy> prolly referring to tomcat
[03:33:56] <crutchy> tomcat was a beast
[03:33:59] <paulej72> it might be the f14. i get them confused
[03:34:28] <Ethanol-fueled> the F-15 is a fixed-wing aircraft. The F-14 or the F-111
[03:34:50] <crutchy> australia had f111's. they were an awesome aircraft
[03:34:58] <Ethanol-fueled> > F111
[03:35:01] <Ethanol-fueled> > Awesome
[03:35:06] <Ethanol-fueled> Do ho hoooooooo!
[03:35:08] <crutchy> feel sorry for any bad guy on the wrong end of an f-111 strike
[03:35:29] <Ethanol-fueled> maintenance hogs, and phased out rather quickly compared to other designs.
[03:35:32] <paulej72> yes i was thinking of the 14
[03:35:54] <crutchy> aussies made a lot of changes to their f111 fleet
[03:36:00] <crutchy> structurally
[03:36:03] <paulej72> f111 had manual swepped wings iirc
[03:36:44] <Ethanol-fueled> Pauley, adjustable wings are one of those "ooh, shiny" things that ultimately make your machine less reliable.
[03:37:42] <Ethanol-fueled> Which is why most modern aircraft, especially air-superiority fighters, don't have 'em anymore. Instead they have thrust vectoring and adjustable canards.
[03:38:12] <paulej72> true but they look cool
[03:38:18] <Ethanol-fueled> They do.
[03:38:31] <Ethanol-fueled> F-14s look badass.
[03:38:34] <paulej72> my favorite war plane is the b17
[03:38:49] <Ethanol-fueled> pauley - if that's true then you know nothing about warplanes.
[03:39:02] <Ethanol-fueled> oh wait, you said B-17, not B-1.
[03:39:10] <Ethanol-fueled> B-17's rock.
[03:39:33] <paulej72> from a astetic point of view
[03:39:35] <Ethanol-fueled> I always liked the B-25s
[03:39:49] <Ethanol-fueled> I loved that dual-rudder tail and the gin turrets.
[03:39:52] <paulej72> the b25 looked like shit
[03:39:58] <Ethanol-fueled> fuck you asshole.
[03:40:03] * Ethanol-fueled rolls up sleve
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[03:40:23] <paulej72> the nose of the b25 was ulgy
[03:40:47] <juggs> I like the forbidding look of the eurofighter https://upload.wikimedia.org
[03:41:14] <chromas> looks like pens and darts
[03:42:03] <Ethanol-fueled> Haha Juggs, I liked the SAAB Viggen for that same reasons.
[03:42:13] <paulej72> sorry misremeber the number again immeant the b29, the b25 was good looking as well
[03:42:35] <Ethanol-fueled> pauley, there's no need to apoliogize for aircraft fetishes.
[03:42:49] <Ethanol-fueled> except that I'm always right about aircraft.
[03:43:02] <Ethanol-fueled> B-29 was pretty rad too.
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[03:43:14] <Ethanol-fueled> Straightforward design, but big as fuck.
[03:43:26] <paulej72> it was a reat plane but was ulgy
[03:43:36] <paulej72> functuion over form
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[03:44:04] <Ethanol-fueled> pauley, my grandfather was in the AF and flew on B-29s, and he told us all that when it was new its bases has specialized burn treatment centers
[03:45:00] <Ethanol-fueled> he had some pretty harrowing stories, like how his tail gunner was shot dead by German aircraft and how his pilot had to fly a B-29 back with 2 engines out
[03:45:08] <paulej72> my gandfathers were a bit too old for the war and were in coal production
[03:45:23] <juggs> France's F3 Rafale-M is scary too - I think they managed to get it done mostly on time and in budget too.
[03:47:52] <juggs> I always loved the Vulcan at airshows https://en.wikipedia.org
[03:49:15] <Ethanol-fueled> juggs has a delta wing fetish
[03:49:38] <Ethanol-fueled> they're good for long range and high speeds, as the Concord demonstrated.
[03:50:35] <juggs> the noise from that Vulcan taking off was immense. Probably have a weakness there as it was developed and flown out of what was then a BAE site a few miles away as I was in my formative years.
[03:51:04] <juggs> That BAE site is now a housing estate :(
[03:52:54] <juggs> My grandfather was in artillery in WWI dragging a cannon around in muddy fields powered by horses. Understandably he was deaf as a post - they didn't much go in for occupational safety and ear protection in that war.
[03:53:28] <Ethanol-fueled> holy shit juggs
[03:53:42] <juggs> wut?
[03:53:47] * Ethanol-fueled raises a glass of Cognac to Juggs' grandfather
[03:57:32] <juggs> yeh, he didn't like to talk about it much. His crew took a direct hit which evaporated most of them and the horses, he crawled away with buggered hearing and survived to go on to be a GP. He was quite a serious chap in my memory of him. I think I understand why now.
[04:00:17] <Ethanol-fueled> that's the sad thing about old folks who've seen some shit. You never understand why until they're dead.
[04:16:23] <juggs> And also why we need to learn the lessons of the past and not just continue to repeat them ad-infinitum. Also why we need to break away with our fascination with digging shit out of the ground and setting fire to it to power us - that's clearly finite so the sooner we wean ourselves off that the better. But no, we're still running around playing proxy "holy wars" in the mid-east. The fuck is that about? This shit brings me to despair it really does.
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[04:25:23] <crutchy> despite a fascination with science and making stuff to facilitate increased laziness, humanity is still primitive. we're nothing like what star trek portrays, and likely will never be (notwithstanding genetic modifications). the seven sins represent society as a whole pretty well. politics, economics and technological development will likely never change who we are
[04:26:24] <crutchy> regarding coal, its used because its there, and is reliable source of energy. problem with new tech is that it can't (yet) replace coal as a base load generation workhorse
[04:27:21] <crutchy> wind turbines can provide at most hundreds of MWh, but coal provides thousands. to replace coal would infrastructure on a scale the world has never seen
[04:28:17] <crutchy> most people don't realize how much power comes out of a single base load coal plant
[04:30:20] <crutchy> 500MW is one typical coal-powered unit
[04:30:21] <SpallsHurgenson> is it 6 watts? I bet its 6 watts. That's a lot of electricity, right? Wow, six whole watts.
[04:30:40] <SpallsHurgenson> 500 milliwatts, I was way off :)
[04:30:53] <crutchy> by comparison, from http://en.wikipedia.org the highest capacity wind turbine is 8MW
[04:30:54] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03Wind turbine
[04:32:00] <crutchy> hydro is the way to go, but is limited by location
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[04:37:22] <Ethanol-fueled> Slaves! Hebrews born to serve, to the Pharoah
[04:45:40] <Ethanol-fueled> OYOOYOYOY
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[04:47:21] <juggs> Electricity has me in a musing stance. Germany is a point here - they trumpet how well they have done moving to wind and solar - all the while opening up new brown bituminous coal power generation plants and strip mining that crud.
[04:48:52] <Ethanol-fueled> Orion.
[04:49:11] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[04:49:11] <NetCraft> ^ 03Metallica - Orion (HD) - YouTube
[04:49:17] <Ethanol-fueled> Orion.
[04:49:20] <Ethanol-fueled> HA ha.
[04:49:50] <Ethanol-fueled> ooooh, ooohooWEEEE.
[04:50:31] <juggs> crutchy, hydro has no application if you need to pour a bajillion tonnes of concrete to dam some waterway or create an artificial reservoir. Hydro - where geology allows can provide some of the storage needed to supplement solar / wind.
[04:50:42] <Ethanol-fueled> Man, you sods ROCK.
[04:53:46] <juggs> I'm listening to Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath right now Ethanol-fueled. The re-mastered version has been breathed on by sound engineers - the rain at the beginning of the track... yeh they managed to spatially move that above your head with just a 2 speaker setup. My speakers are on the floor, yet sound placed above... that's some funky manipulation of sound.
[04:59:26] <crutchy> australia has some gas and hydro, but with ready access to the biggest brown coal seam in the world i don't see us moving away from coal any time soon
[05:00:23] <paulej72> he he, you said brown
[05:00:36] <crutchy> lol
[05:00:36] <ciri> i missed it, what are you laughing at? >.>
[05:00:54] <juggs> yes.. coal is the brown menace
[05:01:03] <crutchy> or black
[05:01:15] <crutchy> black is less of a menace though
[05:01:36] <paulej72> i grew up in soft coal country
[05:01:48] <crutchy> same here
[05:02:17] <paulej72> mix of deep mine and strip mines
[05:02:27] <crutchy> only open cuts around here
[05:02:47] <crutchy> massive holes in the ground
[05:03:47] <paulej72> most were deep in the old days as the amount of cover to remove was too much for the tools of the tme
[05:04:01] <juggs> I'm not an enviro-nut, I just think we need to move away from digging shit up and setting fire to it. Logically that is a finite resource, so let's get on with researching ways not to dig shit up and set fire to it for our energy security for future generations. I do like he warmth from a well stoked coal stove :D
[05:04:29] <crutchy> juggs i agree. i dunno what it will be though
[05:04:45] <paulej72> i have gotten a coal funace nasa hot on ocasion
[05:04:53] <crutchy> i'm interested in permanent magnets. they're like black magic or something
[05:05:38] <crutchy> straya has heaps of uranium so we could go nuclear, but its not very popular lately
[05:05:48] <crutchy> maybe thorium has promise
[05:09:05] <crutchy> i wouldn't be surprised if permanent magnetism has a few tricks up its sleeve that we haven't discovered yet. laws of thermodynamics be damned!
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[05:11:12] <juggs> lol - last place I lived, someone had managed to cook off the vitreous enamel on the cast-iron stove. Must have been toasty as that stuff doesn't bake until ~850 C ~1450F. I can only think they loaded it with fuel, opened the draft to get it going and fell asleep. Only to wake to a "why the hell is the stove glowing?" kinda moment.
[05:11:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Frontiers Launches New Open-Access Journal: Frontiers in ICT. - http://sylnt.us - journals-live
[05:13:42] <paulej72> mine is just a steel box in a box lined with fire brick. had the top of the inside box all cherry red many of time.
[05:13:56] <paulej72> t
[05:14:17] <paulej72> it was designed as a fireplace insert
[05:16:16] <chromas> ~weather
[05:16:17] <exec> Weather for Walla Walla, WA - currently 63°F / 17°C, mostly cloudy, wind SW at 3 mph, humidity 50% - Saturday chance of rain (43°F-72°F / 6°C-22°C), Sunday chance of showers (41°F-57°F / 5°C-14°C), Monday partly cloudy (43°F-55°F / 6°C-13°C), Tuesday chance of rain (48°F-57°F / 9°C-14°C) - source: Google
[05:16:40] <chromas> 3mph?
[05:22:10] <juggs> paulej72, this was a 30's Godin stove, most retro with it's dark green enamel amd made from heavy cast iron
[05:23:05] <juggs> me and my apostrophe's
[05:23:22] * juggs shakes fist at self
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[05:26:53] <juggs> I fancied restoring it, but some former owner had also managed to destroy the entire fire-basket with over enthusiastic poker action. ~sigh~
[05:27:39] <crutchy> poker_action++
[05:27:39] <Bender> karma - poker_action: 1
[05:32:36] <crutchy> juggs, there seems to be some handy site links in the science content story comments
[05:32:41] <juggs> I wouldn't mind but the damn thing had an external control to spin the basket to drop ash and clinkers - noooo that's too easy - open the door and poke it with a stick or a brass poker in this case I guess.
[05:32:53] <crutchy> maybe we could get some of them into regurgitator's feed list?
[05:34:27] <juggs> !todo crutchy says there's some handy site links in the science content story comments, regurge them
[05:34:28] <Bender> todo item 2 added
[05:34:34] <juggs> !todo
[05:34:34] <Bender> todo for juggs: 1) rss-bot wiki page 2) crutchy says there's some handy site links in the science content story comments, regurge them
[05:34:49] <juggs> works for mw
[05:35:36] <crutchy> when you get a wiki page, add a section ==Suggestions from IRC== and i'll be able to add a ~suggest-rss scripty to add to the list
[05:35:55] <juggs> I'm not tiddling with config files at 5.30am :)
[05:36:08] <crutchy> lol sounds smart
[05:36:43] <juggs> self preservation more than smart
[05:36:44] <crutchy> ~suggest-exec when regurgitator gets a wiki page, add a section ==Suggestions from IRC== and i'll be able to add a ~suggest-rss scripty to add to the list
[05:36:51] <exec> *** suggestion successfully added to wiki - http://sylnt.us
[05:39:14] <chromas> someone suggested https://lobste.rs . Never heard of it but it looks kind of like hn
[05:40:11] <juggs> Ohh...... reminds me... I was thinking on that whole kickban / kline thing I was tying myself up in ethical dilemmas over. Mebbee we should have a game like !vote mechanism.
[05:40:57] <crutchy> i've already got a ~vote thing kinda in the works
[05:41:13] <crutchy> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[05:41:14] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03IRC:exec
[05:41:50] <crutchy> could make one without all the email crap just for basic voting
[05:44:52] <juggs> So one IRC staffer is not unilaterally turfing people out, we have an op'd bot, anyone can call a !vote-eject and as long as 50%+ of channel active in the last N hours second it, said person gets booted. I need to flesh out the parameters. Is this a sane idea?
[05:46:11] * chromas gets the weight of ten votes :)
[05:46:26] <Landon> juggs: maybe last N lines
[05:46:26] <juggs> you fat bastard
[05:46:41] <Landon> that might scale better with bursts of activity and long stretches of nothing
[05:46:48] <Landon> if someone's trolling a mostly idle channel, meeh
[05:46:57] <chromas> also account for channel flooding
[05:47:49] <chromas> and bots
[05:48:23] * NetCraft votes to kick chromas
[05:48:25] <Landon> and I hate to suggest this, but maybe make it an unpublished module with unpublished parameters
[05:48:30] <chromas> fu, NetCraft
[05:48:46] <juggs> Landon, I'm only talking "official" channels. The others are on their own, they can bring in chan control bots as they see fit.
[05:49:05] <Landon> juggs: right, just thinking along the lines of how HN does things
[05:49:13] <Landon> keep them sort of obscure so people don't actively toe the line
[05:49:39] <Landon> "don't touch me!" "I'm not touching you!" *finger is millimeters away just hovering*
[05:50:01] <juggs> ya ya - publish the rules and everyone steps up to just the other side of the rule.
[05:51:44] <juggs> My suggestion was more around not having rules at all an letting the community decide who to eliminate.
[05:54:29] <juggs> Should we allow anyone to be eliminated in such a way by group think? I'm not at all sure my idea is sane.
[05:54:46] <chromas> we should vote to decide that
[05:55:19] <juggs> yep - but first we need to decide on the format of the vote
[05:55:29] <chromas> [2]
[05:55:42] <chromas> where's ciri with a 3?
[05:55:48] <juggs> 1
[05:55:48] <juggs> 2
[05:55:49] <juggs> 3
[05:55:49] <ciri> 3
[05:55:51] <ciri> 4
[05:55:53] <ciri> 5
[05:55:55] <ciri> 6
[05:55:57] <ciri> 7
[05:55:59] <ciri> 8
[05:56:01] <ciri> 9
[05:56:02] <chromas> potato!
[05:56:03] <ciri> 10 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:56:26] <juggs> hmm
[05:56:28] <juggs> a
[05:56:29] <juggs> b
[05:56:29] <juggs> c
[05:56:51] <juggs> 00
[05:56:52] <juggs> 01
[05:56:54] <juggs> 02
[05:57:02] <chromas> 34
[05:57:09] <chromas> rule 34, ciri
[05:57:22] <chromas> 1 2
[05:58:09] <Landon> "format of the vote" ?
[06:00:15] <juggs> I was thinking elections Landon, not relevant for a yes/no kick vote. But I'm questioning whether we need a kick vote at all now.
[06:00:27] <Landon> ah
[06:01:39] <juggs> sorry, I'm randomly piping thoughts to fingers
[06:09:45] <crutchy> brainctl pipe finger
[06:17:58] <juggs> sudo crutchyctl stop && sudo systemd-apt-managerd --purge crutchy crutchyd crutchyd-managed crutchyd-ircd systemd-crutchyd-init systemd-ircd-botcl-bot-libs
[06:18:50] <juggs> Oh wait.. wht I has no desktop anymore?
[06:19:36] <crutchy> ah oh. better do crutchyctl start pwndmypyewtad
[06:20:28] * crutchy is trying to figure out bucket data structure for a simple vote
[06:22:08] <juggs> I has command line.... I cam has the world!
[06:23:46] <juggs> I have no idea what your buckets are, but I'm glad you like them :)
[06:25:32] <crutchy> ~vote list
[06:25:34] <exec> no votes registered
[06:25:54] <crutchy> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[06:25:55] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03IRC:exec
[06:29:20] <juggs> !todo look in to the buckets of darkness
[06:29:20] <Bender> todo item 3 added
[06:38:23] <crutchy> ~vote register butt-kick
[06:38:55] <crutchy> ~vote register butt-kick
[06:38:57] <exec> vote "butt-kick" registered
[06:39:07] <crutchy> ~vote list
[06:39:08] <exec> butt-kick
[06:39:26] <crutchy> oops should take this to #
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[08:11:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - EPA Finds Little Benefit to Pesticide Linked to Bee Declines - http://sylnt.us - bad-and-not-good
[08:12:37] <chromas> Chuck Norris will take care of the pests and then teach them about jesus
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[08:54:56] <crutchy> chromas, s/s/b/4
[08:54:56] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> <chromas> Chuck Norris will take care of the pests and then teach them about jebus
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[08:55:59] <crutchy> premature ejection?
[09:00:29] <crutchy> oh my.. ebola has arrived in australia
[09:00:44] <crutchy> god is playing 'plague inc'
[09:01:20] <crutchy> and we just gave him a dna point guddammit
[09:03:28] <chromas> crutchy: we sent it there just for you
[09:03:33] <chromas> presents++
[09:03:33] <Bender> karma - presents: 1
[09:07:47] <crutchy> if i had my tinfoil hat on properly i'd swear this ebola thing stinks of ethnic cleansing or some shit
[09:08:07] <chromas> not very efficient
[09:08:42] <crutchy> bombing countries is falling out of fashion
[09:09:18] <chromas> yeah but there just aren't that many people getting sick. Release the AIDS
[09:09:38] <crutchy> aids is a bit harder to protect
[09:09:54] <chromas> AIDS 2: Cancer Takes a Back Seat
[09:09:54] <crutchy> wouldn't be surprised if there's a cure for ebola stashed away somewhere
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[09:10:21] <crutchy> they bring it out when the deaths have reached the right amount
[09:10:52] <crutchy> and aids appears to be harder to spread than ebola
[09:11:02] <crutchy> not that i would know
[09:11:28] <SirFinkus> apparently they were close to a vaccine, but discontinued development because there weren't going to be any profits
[09:11:28] <chromas> it's just 'cause aids isn't trendy anymore while ebola is
[09:11:30] <crutchy> aids also isn't an efficient killer
[09:11:45] <SirFinkus> aids now is pretty treatable
[09:11:56] <chromas> that's why we need AIDS 2
[09:12:14] <SirFinkus> based on what I've read, it's basically more expensive diabetes
[09:12:18] <crutchy> i think the monash medical centre here is kicking some goals with aids
[09:12:30] <crutchy> hmm that sounded wrong
[09:12:31] <SirFinkus> if only it hadn't taken Freddy from us ;_;
[09:12:42] <chromas> that's just what THEY WANT you to beLIEve, crutchy!!2
[09:13:10] <crutchy> nah i believe them cos they kick ass with a lot of stuff
[09:13:19] <SirFinkus> well, don't you know that aids is GOD's punishment for the GAYS
[09:13:36] <SirFinkus> if you are trying to treat aids, you're DISOBEYING the WILL OF GOD
[09:15:02] <chromas> so true
[09:15:34] <crutchy> SirFinkus, s/GOD/JEBUS/
[09:15:34] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> <SirFinkus> if you are trying to treat aids, you're DISOBEYING the WILL OF JEBUS
[09:15:36] <chromas> Pray the Gay Away, jesus comes down and buttfucks some gays to kill them off with aids
[09:15:59] <chromas> Prayers answered
[09:16:13] <crutchy> need to include a cache lookup in the get account function rather than checking separately
[09:16:19] <SirFinkus> cheddar_and_jalepeno_bagels_with_chive_and_onion_cream_cheese++
[09:16:19] <Bender> karma - cheddar_and_jalepeno_bagels_with_chive_and_onion_cream_cheese: 1
[09:16:27] <crutchy> iced_coffee++
[09:16:27] <Bender> karma - iced_coffee: 5
[09:16:48] <chromas> blue_and_cranberry_smoothie_thinger++
[09:16:49] <Bender> karma - blue_and_cranberry_smoothie_thinger: 1
[09:19:10] <SirFinkus> sierra_nevada_torpedo_extra_ipa++
[09:19:10] <Bender> karma - sierra_nevada_torpedo_extra_ipa: 1
[09:19:55] <SirFinkus> giving_as_many_points_as_possible_to_overly_long_karma_titles++
[09:19:55] <Bender> karma - giving_as_many_points_as_possible_to_overly_long_karma_titles: 1
[09:20:16] <chromas> giving_as_many_points_as_possible_to_overly_long_karma_titles++
[09:20:16] <Bender> karma - giving_as_many_points_as_possible_to_overly_long_karma_titles: 2
[09:20:36] <SirFinkus> karma_spam_oclock++
[09:20:36] <Bender> karma - karma_spam_oclock: 1
[09:20:45] <chromas> middle_mouse_button_paste++
[09:20:45] <Bender> karma - middle_mouse_button_paste: 1
[09:21:34] <SirFinkus> can't stand that
[09:21:42] <SirFinkus> I use free scrolling all the time when I'm on a mouse though
[09:21:55] <SirFinkus> but
[09:22:02] <SirFinkus> ctrl-c_copy--
[09:22:04] <chromas> is that when you disable the click stops in the wheel?
[09:22:19] * chromas takes the springs out of mice to do that
[09:22:34] <chromas> except this one; it barely has the stops and it likes to scroll just as I'm clicking
[09:22:41] <SirFinkus> no, it's where you middle click and the cursor turns into a shit and it scrolls faster or slower depending on how far from the shit you move the pointer
[09:22:53] <SirFinkus> idk what the technical name is
[09:23:55] <chromas> I usually see it called auto scroll
[09:24:05] <SirFinkus> well, that
[09:24:06] <chromas> auto_scroll--
[09:24:06] <Bender> karma - auto_scroll: -1
[09:24:15] <chromas> jog_wheel++
[09:24:15] <Bender> karma - jog_wheel: 1
[09:24:18] <SirFinkus> auto_scroll++ #heathen
[09:24:18] <Bender> karma - auto_scroll: 0
[09:24:31] <SirFinkus> ctrl_c_copy--
[09:24:31] <Bender> karma - ctrl_c_copy: -1
[09:25:01] <crutchy> i occasionally kill my bot with a ctrl+c (trying to copy something)
[09:25:08] <SirFinkus> exactly
[09:25:24] <chromas> I still use ctrl—oops, ctl+Insert, shift+insert for copy/paste
[09:25:41] <crutchy> win-bash is even worse
[09:25:48] <chromas> also shift+delete for cut
[09:25:51] <SirFinkus> whoever decided to bind one of the most commonly used control characters to the most commonly used keyboard shortcut should probably be shot
[09:26:04] <crutchy> you have to right-click the title bar, select the edit menu and then click copy/paste
[09:26:14] <JamesNZ> windows--
[09:26:14] <Bender> karma - windows: -9
[09:26:32] <SirFinkus> osx does it correctly, copy and paste use the command key instead of control
[09:26:34] <SirFinkus> osx++
[09:26:34] <Bender> karma - osx: 6
[09:27:18] <chromas> control is our command key
[09:27:44] <SirFinkus> Command and Control is a good book btw, I'd highly recommend you read it
[09:27:45] <crutchy> ctrlctl start copy
[09:28:07] <chromas> I do wish the controls were more segregated
[09:28:11] <SirFinkus> available_at_fine_bookstores_everywhere++
[09:28:11] <Bender> karma - available_at_fine_bookstores_everywhere: 1
[09:28:22] <chromas> or standardized; whatever, like win-key for window-functions
[09:29:16] <SirFinkus> windows does handle cut and paste better
[09:29:31] <SirFinkus> since you have instant feedback on the cut action
[09:29:48] <SirFinkus> I've cut and pasted files lots of times when I meant to copy on osx, and I only discover it later
[09:30:28] <SirFinkus> with windows I can see "oh, meant to copy that" and revise my command before any operations
[09:36:31] <chromas> They don't disappear from the cut location on apple?
[09:37:16] <SirFinkus> the cut operation takes place with the paste on osx
[09:37:24] <chromas> oh I see
[09:37:28] <crutchy> like files in windows
[09:37:31] <SirFinkus> so you'll command-c to copy and to cut
[09:37:33] <chromas> on windows, it dims the file on cut
[09:37:45] <SirFinkus> but you'll command v to paste, or command option v to move
[09:37:49] <chromas> ah
[09:37:51] <SirFinkus> at the destination
[09:38:22] * crutchy is surprised apple doesn't just have cut/copy/paste keys
[09:38:31] <chromas> linux file managers also follow the cut/copy/paste style
[09:38:38] <chromas> at least, the graphical ones
[09:38:45] <crutchy> actually how did those operations escape inclusion in standard keyboard layouts?
[09:39:04] <chromas> they didn't exist back then
[09:39:31] <SirFinkus> compared to other keys on my keyboard, they're used pretty rarely
[09:39:33] <chromas> my ms keyboard has them labeled though, plus "Bold" on B key et cetera
[09:39:46] <SirFinkus> except maybe caps lock
[09:40:04] <SirFinkus> and the power button, but you kind of need one of those
[09:40:12] <SirFinkus> not really negotiable
[09:40:13] <chromas> oh yeah, back when the locks had use
[09:40:56] * SirFinkus still uses numlock occasionally
[09:40:58] <chromas> I should make the Dumlock key a coffee++ key :)
[09:41:02] <SirFinkus> need it for the roguelikes
[09:41:13] <chromas> I have arrow keys
[09:41:21] <SirFinkus> can't move diagonal
[09:41:23] <chromas> and can press more than one at a time
[09:41:51] <SirFinkus> a lot of games I've played will interpret that as move left, then move up
[09:41:53] <chromas> or they should just map the number pad numbers to movement
[09:42:07] <SirFinkus> also, df is optimized to the numpad
[09:42:13] <SirFinkus> for the numpad rather
[09:42:40] <chromas> it does have the nice extra keys perfect for gaming; 0, ., /
[09:42:46] <chromas> /.
[09:43:36] <SirFinkus> I don't even remember which keys + and - are used for in df, I have everything so memorized
[09:43:41] <SirFinkus> muscle memory lol
[09:43:44] <chromas> I once knew someone whose keyboard had a power button next to Escape
[09:44:03] <chromas> actually I think it was where Escape belonged and Escape was moved over a bit
[09:44:14] <SirFinkus> power button is right next to delete on macs
[09:44:15] <chromas> only affected me though
[09:44:35] <SirFinkus> but I can count the number of times I've hit it on accident on one hand
[09:44:43] <chromas> Didn't it used to be just behind the F keys, leftish?
[09:44:52] <SirFinkus> it's right of f12
[09:45:03] <SirFinkus> in the place f13 would be
[09:45:33] <SirFinkus> it doesn't do anything unless you hold it down though
[09:45:37] <chromas> I also remember some keyboards (at least for apple) had extra F keys. I want extra F keys
[09:46:33] <chromas> looks like they still do. I want F16 dammit
[09:47:00] <chromas> http://www.maclife.com
[09:47:06] <chromas> that's what I was thinking of with the power button
[09:47:26] <SirFinkus> yeah, that's super old school
[09:48:19] <SirFinkus> http://i.stack.imgur.com
[09:48:48] <SirFinkus> on all their laptops
[09:49:05] <chromas> They still call backspace delete
[09:49:40] <SirFinkus> I never really remember the distinction, it works how I'd expect it to though
[09:49:53] <chromas> backspace deletes to the left of the cursor
[09:50:16] <chromas> so it's not really space-related
[09:50:32] <chromas> should call it delete-left or something dumber
[09:50:47] <SirFinkus> you can toggle the behavior with fn I think
[09:51:25] <chromas> I wouldn't mind if someone gave me a broken apple laptop that turned out to just be a bad hdd :)
[09:51:29] <chromas> of course, I'd install linux on it
[09:51:59] <chromas> I just want a display with a decent resolution
[09:52:04] <SirFinkus> I like osx a lot, you get a lot of the power you get with linux distros, with a lot less of a fuss
[09:52:35] <chromas> I also like the apple software package style; it's just a folder with all the programs and libs it needs, right?
[09:52:49] <SirFinkus> pretty much
[09:53:01] <chromas> never actually used ossex
[09:53:11] <SirFinkus> it dumps some config files in places
[09:53:33] <SirFinkus> and things like application data and stuff
[09:53:44] <chromas> there was an older macintosh set up at Skool years ago that was upgraded to ossex but it was slow and then someone stole the mouse
[09:54:26] <SirFinkus> the coreutils are really out of date though
[09:54:39] <chromas> nah, they're just stable
[09:55:00] <SirFinkus> it's licensing shit, everything switched to gpl3
[09:55:09] <SirFinkus> the gnu stuff anyway
[09:55:23] <chromas> gpl3--
[09:55:23] <Bender> karma - gpl3: -1
[09:55:29] <SirFinkus> I think they could update the bsd stuff pretty easily, but don't
[09:55:43] <chromas> they should; who needs gnu anymore?
[09:55:46] <SirFinkus> I trust the BSD guys to release ultra-stable stuff more than gnu guys
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[09:56:44] <SirFinkus> I'm talking a little bit out of my ass there though, it's just based on my perception of the developer culture
[09:57:07] <crutchy> oh noes! konominetbook is dead!
[09:59:13] <chromas> ossex did it
[10:00:13] <SirFinkus> no, GNU
[10:00:54] <chromas> oh yeah, GNU is an anagram
[10:01:00] <chromas> for NUG!
[10:01:06] <chromas> nugs++
[10:01:06] <Bender> karma - nugs: 1
[10:01:36] <JamesNZ> I maintain it stands for GUN ;)
[10:01:50] <chromas> gunoo
[10:01:50] <SirFinkus> GUN to my head
[10:02:09] * JamesNZ loads his GNU
[10:02:32] <crutchy> GNU Neuters Users
[10:03:00] <crutchy> that was the only word i could think of that fit starting with N
[10:03:25] <chromas> so uh, it IS eunichs then
[10:04:08] <JamesNZ> sleep++
[10:04:08] <Bender> karma - sleep: 4
[10:04:18] * JamesNZ bows out \o
[10:04:25] -!- JamesNZ has quit [Quit: Busying myself...]
[10:25:57] <prospectacle> it's funny to think that when software history bcomes a standard part of education, (probably in twenty or thirty years), people who are alive today will be the great founding fathers: gates, jobs, torvalds, stallman, eich, page, etc
[10:26:25] <prospectacle> well, i guess they're not all alive
[10:27:11] <crutchy> people like ada lovelace seem to be largely forgotten though
[10:27:16] <crutchy> guess money talks
[10:28:10] <crutchy> a lot of people don't even know who the second man to walk on the moon was
[10:28:14] <prospectacle> true, she and babbage, turing etc are like the primordial gods, almost lost in myth, before the age of civilisation
[10:28:23] <chromas> did gates ver make anything after buying qdos?
[10:28:25] <prospectacle> civilisation being the personal computer
[10:28:36] <SirFinkus> traffodata
[10:28:42] <chromas> thought that was before
[10:28:48] <SirFinkus> oh
[10:28:58] <chromas> well I missed a few keys there
[10:28:58] <SirFinkus> thought you said something different
[10:29:02] <prospectacle> not sure how much gates wrote. I think he made a bunch of early basic interpreters when that was a big deal
[10:29:22] <SirFinkus> my understanding is that gates kind of knew his shit
[10:29:23] <chromas> let's all install gwbasic!
[10:29:26] <prospectacle> he did "Create" a lot though in teh sense of running the company that made them, like jobs. Hard to deny their personal influence by hte way they ran their companies
[10:29:31] <crutchy> his mother worked for ibm when the 'big deal' was made apparently
[10:29:55] geotti_Zzz is now known as geotti
[10:30:29] <prospectacle> man i used to love gwbasic
[10:30:42] <prospectacle> gorilla, gosub, etc
[10:30:56] * geotti sees that his relay didn't work as expected...
[10:31:53] <chromas> I was excited when I discovered qbasic had whole subroutines. "I got a boner in church today"
[10:32:59] <prospectacle> yeah i reckon proramning students should have to master spaghetti code for a month or two before being given structured programming blocks, then they'd appreciate them (and by extension, the concept of organisation)
[10:33:26] <crutchy> i think scheme is part of CS courses nowadays... that should be punishment enough :d
[10:33:53] <crutchy> relay?
[10:33:55] <prospectacle> lol
[10:33:56] <ciri> i missed it, what are you laughing at? >.>
[10:34:03] <crutchy> do you have a spybot geotti?
[10:34:19] <prospectacle> ciri--
[10:34:19] <Bender> karma - ciri: 1
[10:34:25] <chromas> FoobarBazbot is his bot
[10:34:29] <chromas> his bazbot
[10:34:38] <crutchy> brobot
[10:34:49] <chromas> FoobarBazbot-- # for not being around anymore
[10:34:49] <Bender> karma - foobarbazbot: 8
[10:35:14] <geotti> crutchy: istalled weechat as a relay to connect to with my client
[10:35:39] <chromas> could use znc
[10:36:35] <geotti> Yay, I got a cloak on freenode in like seconds
[10:36:59] * geotti dances around the wildfire in a circle chanting ominous hymns to the freenode gods
[10:37:25] <chromas> unaffiliated? I've seen that a lot
[10:37:37] <geotti> chromas: I wanna use either irssi or weechat, to be able to connect there through
[10:37:39] <geotti> tmux++
[10:37:39] <Bender> karma - tmux: 4
[10:37:46] <chromas> does that mean unaffiliated with freenode? or just of any projects?
[10:37:46] <geotti> sometimes
[10:38:00] <geotti> with freenode
[10:38:10] <geotti> you can also get a cloak from one of the projects
[10:38:18] <chromas> geotti: use ii, then you can connect anything with pipes
[10:38:37] <prospectacle> does anyone know of a good sms relay service, e.g. you send an email to something and it sends an sms for you ?
[10:38:38] * geotti looks at wesley pipes standing in the corner
[10:38:49] <chromas> ~define wesley pipes
[10:39:05] <chromas> if he's in the corner, is he losing his religion?
[10:39:05] <exec> wesley pipes: unable to find definition
[10:39:11] <geotti> exec, we're counting on you
[10:39:16] <geotti> !g wesley pipes
[10:39:17] <ciri> 707,000 results | Wesley Pipes (@realwesleypipes) | Twitter @ https://twitter.com | Wesley Pipes (@ShxtWesleySays) | Twitter @ https://twitter.com | Mimi & Nikko Respond to Wesley Pipes' Sex Proposition - YouTube @ http://www.youtube.com | Wesley Pipes - IMDb @ http://www.imdb.com | BROWN SUGAR VS. WESLEY Pipes -
[10:39:18] <ciri> XVIDEOS.COM @ http://www.xvideos.com
[10:39:45] <geotti> ok hold on chromas, I'll get you the quote
[10:39:47] <chromas> male porn actors have names?
[10:40:06] <chromas> thought they were just props
[10:40:30] <chromas> http://www.wikiporno.org
[10:40:31] <NetCraft> ^ 03Wesley Pipes - Wikiporno
[10:40:38] <crutchy> geotti, the sources for ~define are here: https://github.com
[10:40:40] <chromas> lol, they got their own wiki
[10:40:42] <chromas> at least one
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[10:47:25] <geotti> chromas: http://www.anyclip.com!quotes/
[10:51:15] <chromas> haven't seen that in years
[10:51:52] <chromas> prospectacle: some carriers have sms gateways
[10:51:58] <geotti> crutchy: maybe add a ~videosearch
[10:52:22] * geotti never saw a php bot before
[10:52:54] <crutchy> ~suggest-exec <geotti> crutchy: maybe add a ~videosearch
[10:53:01] <exec> *** suggestion successfully added to wiki - http://sylnt.us
[10:53:30] <prospectacle> chromas, thanks for the tip
[10:54:06] <chromas> I know Sprint has one; pretty sure tmobile does as well
[10:54:11] <geotti> prospectacle: you're looking for UMS gateways (unified messaging system)
[10:54:22] <chromas> haven't used other carriers or sms gateway much
[10:54:30] <geotti> prospectacle: they do faxes as well, usually
[10:55:24] <prospectacle> i just need my web server to be able to wake me up and tell me it's sick and needs help
[10:55:28] <prospectacle> I figure sms probably easiest way
[10:55:45] <geotti> xmpp is cheaper
[10:56:06] <chromas> xmpp++
[10:56:06] <Bender> karma - xmpp: 2
[10:56:12] <chromas> (except for the xml part)
[10:56:14] <geotti> xmpp++ for being a multi-talent
[10:56:14] <Bender> karma - xmpp: 3
[10:56:21] <SirFinkus> I've sent stuff to <phonenumber>@provider.com and it works just fine
[10:56:49] <prospectacle> sirfinkus, that's interesting, i wonder if that works for my provider,
[10:56:49] <chromas> ^ yep. Sometimes it'll be sms.provider.com or something though; should be on the web site
[10:56:56] <SirFinkus> like, for verizon
[10:57:03] <SirFinkus> <number>@vtext.com
[10:57:12] * geotti doesn't think it works in z germany
[10:57:56] <SirFinkus> most of the us providers have an email gateway
[11:00:05] <prospectacle> looks like mine wants to charge for the privilege, anyway will investigate, thanks for the advice
[11:00:22] <geotti> here they charge you for it, afaik
[11:00:42] <geotti> i.e. by sending you a msg with a link to the email, so you spend data
[11:01:35] <SirFinkus> lame
[11:01:41] <SirFinkus> mine just shows up as a text message
[11:01:55] <SirFinkus> and you can reply to it normally from both sides
[11:02:38] <SirFinkus> obviously it only works for text, but that sounds like it'd be fine for your purposes
[11:03:56] <prospectacle> guess I could make an app tha makes a sound with a file is changed on the server
[11:04:32] <SirFinkus> wait, if it's that simple
[11:04:56] <SirFinkus> why not just do the text message thing, and when they send you a link you'll know your server is down
[11:05:21] <prospectacle> lol, the old prank call as free message concept
[11:05:46] <geotti> prospectacle: hey, just make the server call you
[11:05:57] <SirFinkus> oh wait, got confused with you and geotti
[11:06:15] <geotti> SirFinkus: but you've got something there
[11:06:38] <geotti> get a voip account, charge it with a dollar and just call your phone
[11:06:55] <SirFinkus> yeah, that'd work too
[11:07:04] <geotti> or, XMPP
[11:07:05] <geotti> xmpp++
[11:07:05] <Bender> karma - xmpp: 4
[11:07:06] <chromas> google voice does sms
[11:07:24] <geotti> if you've got a smartphone, you'll get push notifications to your xmpp client
[11:07:28] <chromas> we all still like google, right?
[11:07:29] <chromas> xmpp++
[11:07:29] <Bender> karma - xmpp: 5
[11:07:32] <geotti> google--
[11:07:32] <Bender> karma - google: -2
[11:07:35] <geotti> duckduckgo++
[11:07:35] <Bender> karma - duckduckgo: 3
[11:07:42] <chromas> bing++
[11:07:42] <Bender> karma - bing: 1
[11:07:50] <SirFinkus> well, xmpp uses data too
[11:07:56] <SirFinkus> if you're worried about that
[11:08:05] <chromas> wifi++
[11:08:05] <Bender> karma - wifi: 1
[11:08:08] <SirFinkus> i'd imagine it'd be about the same as clicking a link to an email
[11:08:12] <geotti> yeah, but data is already paid for
[11:08:24] <geotti> wifi++
[11:08:24] <Bender> karma - wifi: 2
[11:08:37] <SirFinkus> it sounded like that was a problem before, with the text messages linking to an email
[11:08:50] <geotti> SirFinkus: that's in Germany : ) sorry to have confused you
[11:08:58] <SirFinkus> my fucking portable heater, has 2 settings
[11:09:15] <geotti> natural_gas++
[11:09:15] <Bender> karma - natural_gas: 1
[11:09:32] <SirFinkus> 26° and 15°
[11:09:50] <geotti> ~g 26 farenheit to celsius
[11:10:02] <geotti> !g 26 farenheit to celsius
[11:10:03] <ciri> 26 degrees Fahrenheit = -3.33333333 degrees Celsius
[11:10:06] <geotti> ouch
[11:10:25] <SirFinkus> I'm using celsius, as it is the proper measurement for temperature
[11:10:28] <chromas> !g 26 degrees c to f
[11:10:28] <ciri> 26 degrees Celsius = 78.8 degrees Fahrenheit
[11:10:40] <chromas> kelvin++
[11:10:40] <Bender> karma - kelvin: 2
[11:10:50] <geotti> oh, that's the heater settings
[11:11:20] <SirFinkus> the heater says 65 to 70 in The Other Temperature Scale
[11:11:27] <SirFinkus> but that's a lie
[11:11:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NPR Guts Its Environment And Climate Reporting Team, Becomes "Part Of The Problem" - http://sylnt.us - written-under
[11:16:14] <prospectacle> well better go for getting rest. Thanks for advice all and a good day to you
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[11:19:57] -!- SirFinkus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
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[11:38:09] <geotti> idling++
[11:38:09] <Bender> karma - idling: 1
[11:38:54] <crutchy> wiki_editing++
[11:38:54] <Bender> karma - wiki_editing: 1
[11:41:17] <crutchy> minor issue with <code> tags... shouldn't have to manually encode entities like < and >
[11:41:20] <Konomi> javascript--
[11:41:20] <Bender> karma - javascript: -1
[11:41:59] <crutchy> one for tmb maybe ^
[11:42:20] <Konomi> not for being too bad though it has bad points just the out of control abuse web site devs inflict with it
[11:42:30] <Konomi> jscript the new flash player
[11:42:48] <crutchy> js is ok for minor ui enhancements
[11:42:59] <Azrael> ~queue
[11:43:02] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 5 - http://sylnt.us
[11:43:03] <paulej72> javascript the old systemd
[11:43:09] <geotti> coffeescript++
[11:43:09] <Bender> karma - coffeescript: 1
[11:43:14] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:43:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 874
[11:43:24] <geotti> as_expected++
[11:43:24] <Bender> karma - as_expected: 1
[11:43:33] <paulej72> ceeffo++
[11:43:33] <Bender> karma - ceeffo: 1
[11:43:43] <geotti> sencha++
[11:43:43] <Bender> karma - sencha: 4
[11:43:53] <geotti> systemd--
[11:43:53] <Bender> karma - systemd: -15
[11:44:11] <paulej72> systemdd
[11:44:16] <paulej72> systemddd
[11:44:24] <crutchy> juggs, summary of links from early content science article comments: https://github.com
[11:44:31] <paulej72> systemdddd
[11:44:37] <crutchy> for inclusion in regurgitator feed
[11:44:42] <Konomi> haters gonnna hate
[11:44:51] <crutchy> didn't bother hunting for rss links sorry
[11:45:37] <crutchy> few already in feed
[11:47:46] <crutchy> mrcoolbp, http://soylentnews.org
[11:47:46] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN journal 03Soylent IRC voting system 04(0 comments)
[11:50:48] <crutchy> hmm that prolly should have been to juggs actually... for polling a channel kick
[11:51:07] <Konomi> 300
[11:51:08] <Konomi> ops
[11:51:16] <Konomi> not my text editor
[12:21:13] <geotti> !weather berlin
[12:21:38] <crutchy> best bet is ~weather-old atm i think
[12:21:51] <crutchy> uses APRS
[12:21:51] <geotti> crutchy: try saying it yourself
[12:22:08] <crutchy> saying it?
[12:22:19] <geotti> s/saying/writing/
[12:22:19] <SedBot9000> <geotti> crutchy: try writing it yourself
[12:22:30] <crutchy> ~weather-old berlin
[12:22:34] <exec> weather for 10Berlin, DE at 12:28 pm (GMT+1) ~ 54 mins ago: temp: 1011.7°C (53°F), dp: 1010.2°C (50.4°F), press: 101025.9 mb (-0.1 mb/30 mins), humid: 1090%, wind: 108 km/h (5 mph) @ 10196°
[12:22:35] <geotti> with !weather
[12:22:44] * geotti is testing something
[12:22:48] <crutchy> ah
[12:22:50] <crutchy> sorry
[12:22:57] <crutchy> !weather berlin
[12:22:58] <geotti> [Berlin, Germany] Mostly Cloudy. Temp is 12.1*C. Humidity: 88%.
[12:23:02] <geotti> ha!
[12:23:03] <crutchy> ooh
[12:23:11] <chromas> we can abuse geotti
[12:23:14] <crutchy> is it google?
[12:23:30] <geotti> "WeatherBot using the WeatherUnderground API"
[12:23:34] <crutchy> ah
[12:24:10] <crutchy> actually i think systemd had that too from vague memory
[12:24:34] * geotti wonders which OS systemd can run...
[12:24:35] <crutchy> is it a eggdrop thing or did you roll your own?
[12:24:44] <geotti> weechat
[12:24:48] <crutchy> oops. sorry i meant systemd (the bot)
[12:25:00] <geotti> ah
[12:25:01] <crutchy> ^an eggdrop that chromas was using
[12:25:16] <geotti> it's like an irssi script
[12:25:20] <geotti> just for weechat
[12:25:34] <geotti> seems to work, just gotta limit it to a specific server/channel
[12:25:47] <crutchy> maybe #weather
[12:25:58] <chromas> quick!
[12:26:01] <chromas> /join #weather
[12:26:06] <crutchy> there's a few channels here now
[12:28:14] * crutchy started working on figuring out why the ~weather bot borked on berlin. so far only difference was absence of wind speed. will eventually get back to, but if other weather bots take over i'll be able to retire exec's weather script
[12:28:32] <chromas> retiring--
[12:28:32] <Bender> karma - retiring: -1
[12:28:34] <crutchy> geotti, just another minor thing. might be worth picking a different trigger
[12:28:57] <crutchy> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[12:28:58] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03IRC
[12:29:03] <chromas> We currently have ~, ! and
[12:29:04] <chromas> yeah
[12:29:06] <chromas> $
[12:29:26] <crutchy> check out the bot register. maybe add yours if you wanna bags a trigger
[12:29:56] <crutchy> unless we figure out a better way to keep track of triggers
[12:30:03] <crutchy> then we might all be able to use !
[12:30:22] <crutchy> maybe we need a trigger register
[12:30:23] <chromas> need a bot to reply to any trigger when its bot is missing :)
[12:30:39] <crutchy> a bot bot :d
[12:30:42] <chromas> "Ciri's not here right now; leave a message"
[12:31:12] <chromas> Bender also responds to its name
[12:31:21] <chromas> Bender: whodown bender
[12:31:21] <Bender> downers of bender are: d33tah: -16, mattie_p: -2, xlefay: -2, crutchy: -2, Subsentient: -1, Bytram: -1, TheMightyBuzzard: -1, KibiByte: -1, andrew: -1, stderr: -1, kobach: -1, sea`: -1
[12:31:36] <chromas> Bender: whodown poutine
[12:31:36] <Bender> downers of poutine are: kobach: -112, crutchy: -37, xlefay: -23, FoobarBazbot_: -19, FatPhil: -14, stderr: -13, andrew: -12, mrcoolbp: -11, Khyber: -11, mattie_p: -11, FoobarBazbot: -10, swiss: -10, SoylentMUD: -9, Ethanol-fueled: -8, pbnjoe: -7, drcoolbp: -7, chromas: -6, paulej72: -6, stdhell: -4, dx3bydt3: -4, FunPika: -3, MrBluze: -3, arti: -3, amblivious: -3, TheMightyBuzzard: - 1 more
[12:31:44] <chromas> poor poutine--
[12:33:41] <chromas> Bender: more
[12:33:41] <Bender> -3, swisskid: -3, xyzzyyxxyx: -3, CHALLNGEACCPTD: -2, melikamp: -2, mattiep: -2, Barrabas: -2, Konomi: -2, drgibbon: -2, int: -1, martyb: -1, KhyberLaptop: -1, xyzzyyzzyx: -1, ragequit: -1, hax0rz: -1, ethanol-fueled: -1, Admiral_coolbp: -1, MrBluze_: -1, drussell: -1, mrgirlpluggedout: -1, FuckBeta: -1, Cyprus: -1
[12:33:47] <chromas> maximum ping!
[12:33:54] <crutchy> what happened to SoylentMUD?
[12:34:02] <chromas> half those people are gone :(
[12:34:09] <crutchy> yeah
[12:34:17] <crutchy> lol
[12:34:20] <crutchy> drcoolbp
[12:34:32] <geotti> I'll adjust the trigger, I just wanted to see, whether it's working
[12:34:43] * geotti reserves ^
[12:34:45] <Konomi> pew pew
[12:34:48] * chromas puts Barrabas in systemd
[12:34:58] <chromas> bluehost++
[12:34:58] <Bender> karma - bluehost: 1
[12:35:30] <geotti> linode++
[12:35:30] <Bender> karma - linode: 1
[12:36:51] * geotti is devastated by the fact that hexchat requires 10.9 : (
[12:36:54] <geotti> hexchat--
[12:36:54] <Bender> karma - hexchat: 1
[12:37:03] <chromas> I wonder if there's a winode
[12:37:09] <chromas> requires 10.9?
[12:37:23] <geotti> os x 10.9
[12:37:27] <chromas> ah
[12:37:32] <chromas> archlinux++
[12:37:32] <Bender> karma - archlinux: 58
[12:37:45] <geotti> rolling_releases--
[12:37:45] <Bender> karma - rolling_releases: -1
[12:37:51] <chromas> can you recompile it for your version?
[12:37:59] <chromas> rolling release kicks ass for the desktop
[12:38:13] <geotti> probably, but I meant to upgrade at some point anyhow
[12:38:48] * geotti 's still running 10.7.x
[12:38:51] <chromas> run hexchat in a windows vm; that'll do it :D
[12:39:04] <geotti> actually, wine might work
[12:39:12] <geotti> that's a good idea
[12:39:19] <ar> moin
[12:39:28] <geotti> moin'
[12:39:49] <geotti> you're a couple of hours late for "moin" ; )
[12:39:50] <ar> i can now start a startup. i just bought an .io domain
[12:40:03] <geotti> yay, you're a cool kid now!
[12:40:30] <geotti> how much was it? my registrar wants like ... too much for it
[12:40:30] <ciri> not sure
[12:41:25] * crutchy is a cheapskate and uses freedns.afraid.org subdomains
[12:41:50] <crutchy> sylnt.us.to
[12:42:10] <ar> geotti: 172,16 PLN
[12:42:26] <geotti> !g 172.16/4
[12:42:26] <ciri> 172.16 / 4 = 43.04
[12:42:32] <geotti> ouch
[12:42:41] <ar> ~50usd
[12:45:16] <geotti> cheaper than the 70E that inwx wants, though
[12:45:53] * geotti got a couple of .me and .it domains for <10, though, so he's happy with inwx
[12:52:33] <ar> i tend to buy domains from ovh and use freedns.42.pl as the primary or secondary ns
[12:56:29] <crutchy> ~time
[12:56:30] <exec> Sunday, 26 October 2014 @ 11:56 pm GMT+11 - Traralgon VIC, Australia
[12:56:35] <ar> ~time ar
[12:56:37] <exec> Sunday, 26 October 2014 @ 1:56 pm GMT+1 - Warsaw, Poland
[12:56:42] <crutchy> almost monday :(
[12:57:39] <ar> lazy sunday afternoon. went out for coffee (i drank hot chocolate and tea) and breakfast with friends
[13:10:23] <paulej72> ~time
[13:10:24] <exec> Sunday, 26 October 2014 @ 9:10 am EDT - Princeton, NJ
[13:10:51] <paulej72> ~weather
[13:10:52] <exec> Weather for Princeton, NJ - currently 56°F / 13°C, clear, wind W at 4 mph, humidity 53% - Sunday partly cloudy (43°F-63°F / 6°C-17°C), Monday clear (48°F-61°F / 9°C-16°C), Tuesday partly cloudy (59°F-73°F / 15°C-23°C), Wednesday chance of rain (46°F-66°F / 8°C-19°C) - source: Google
[13:11:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Curmudgeon Kicks Networking off his Lawn - http://sylnt.us - lived-for-three-months-in-a-paper-bag-in-a-septic-tank
[13:14:39] <crutchy> paulej72, it's a pain to put < and > symbols in journals. every time i hit preview i have to manually change < to < and > to > else it gets treated as html tags and goes poof when viewing
[13:14:54] <crutchy> maybe i should make an issue on gh
[13:15:07] <chromas> crutchy: using plain text mode?
[13:15:35] <crutchy> plain old text
[13:15:37] <crutchy> yeah
[13:16:16] * crutchy just noticed extrans
[13:16:33] <crutchy> never really looked at the format thingy before :d
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[13:43:54] <Ethanol-fueled> stoned.
[13:43:59] <Ethanol-fueled> Weed rocks.
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[13:47:55] <paulej72> crutchy: sorry about that, not sure if that was something we did recently or something that came with slash. we are in the process of fixing the filters and will keep this in mind.
[13:48:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:48:13] <Bender> karma - coffee: 875
[13:49:06] <crutchy> paulej72++ # doin a bang up job guys. my issue is no biggie
[13:49:06] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 90
[13:50:00] <paulej72> no it is because the one of new fixes we are testing does not fix this iirc
[13:50:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> which where who huh?
[13:51:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, journals and the filters
[13:51:34] <paulej72> encoded <> getting unencoded
[13:52:34] <paulej72> now i know why filters are all shitty, this stuff is not trivial
[13:52:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. not sure if that's an issue with the new filter. will give it a look after i wake up and get my weekly system upgrade done.
[13:52:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[13:53:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> stayed out entirely too late drinking last night
[13:53:48] <paulej72> ėęēêèéë
[13:54:15] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: that is a good thing right
[13:54:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> well it nixed fishing but overall i call it a win
[13:55:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll prolly just work today and skip out tuesday to make up for it.
[13:55:22] <paulej72> sure
[13:57:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh hey, i think i can swap matching by <user> tag to matching by @{nick/#uid} pretty easy if you prefer.
[13:58:38] <paulej72> might be a good idea
[13:59:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> quicker to type at least
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[13:59:49] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[13:59:50] <NetCraft> ^ 03Vaginal Jesus - Slave Run Away Beat Rodney Down - YouTube
[13:59:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> afk hunting up breakfast
[13:59:57] <Ethanol-fueled> hahahahahaaha
[14:00:53] <paulej72> wonder if we need the { }
[14:01:02] <Ethanol-fueled> hahahahahhaa
[14:01:07] <Ethanol-fueled> weed rocks!
[14:01:16] <geotti> weed's the best
[14:01:22] <Ethanol-fueled> BEAT RODNEY DOWN
[14:01:27] <Ethanol-fueled> DOWN TO THE GROUND
[14:01:39] <paulej72> no we do as nicks have spaces
[14:02:40] <Ethanol-fueled> racist rock bands are awesome
[14:03:32] <Ethanol-fueled> I WANNA GO....COON BASHIN'!
[14:03:48] <geotti> google--
[14:03:48] <Bender> karma - google: -3
[14:03:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> could end the "tag" with a colon
[14:03:58] <geotti> "undefined macro AS_AC_EXPAND" did yo mean undefined matrix?
[14:04:02] <geotti> WTF, google?
[14:04:03] <geotti> google--
[14:04:03] <Bender> karma - google: -4
[14:04:05] <geotti> google--
[14:04:05] <Bender> karma - google: -5
[14:04:07] <geotti> google--
[14:04:07] <Bender> karma - google: -6
[14:04:17] <Ethanol-fueled> faggots++
[14:04:17] <Bender> karma - faggots: 1
[14:04:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> !grab Ethanol-fueled
[14:04:25] <Bender> Added quote 256
[14:04:32] <geotti> lol
[14:04:33] <ciri> lol that's funny!
[14:04:46] <geotti> true, ciri
[14:04:59] <geotti> you seem to have my sense of humor
[14:05:09] <Ethanol-fueled> ciri likes dicks in her anus.
[14:05:25] <Ethanol-fueled> she can fit three at once, lol
[14:06:28] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm going to get SO HIGH that my mind will blow chunks into teh MILKY WAY'
[14:06:51] <Ethanol-fueled> I have a fat nug of Sour Diesel weed
[14:07:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> yer in the milky way right now. you could blow chunks on your shoes and it'd be in the milky way.
[14:07:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> just tryin to save ya some effort there
[14:08:29] <geotti> Ethanol-fueled: try using a vaporizer. You'll get so high, you'll think the milky way is next door
[14:09:40] <ar> coffee--
[14:09:40] <Bender> karma - coffee: 874
[14:09:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> ar-- #coffee hater
[14:09:44] <Bender> karma - ar: 7
[14:09:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[14:09:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 875
[14:09:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[14:09:47] <Bender> karma - coffee: 876
[14:09:50] <ar> coffee--
[14:09:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 875
[14:09:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> ar-- #coffee hater
[14:09:53] <Bender> karma - ar: 6
[14:09:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[14:09:55] <Bender> karma - coffee: 876
[14:09:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[14:09:56] <Bender> karma - coffee: 877
[14:09:58] <ar> huh
[14:10:39] <paulej72> techinically the milky way is next door as we are in it and it is HUGE
[14:10:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> like a fat chick neighbor
[14:11:31] <geotti> paulej72: true, i was putting it in Ethanol-fueled's terms
[14:11:43] <geotti> tring to
[14:11:55] <geotti> s/tring/frying/
[14:11:55] <SedBot9000> <geotti> frying to
[14:13:25] <geotti> hey, fat chicks need love too
[14:14:10] <geotti> as do clocks
[14:14:15] <geotti> clocks++
[14:14:15] <Bender> karma - clocks: 1
[14:15:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> ar, fair's fair. you either scripted a loop or pasted a sick amount of coffee--s yesterday.
[14:16:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> you stick to manual line by line, so will i.
[14:17:02] <paulej72> coffee++ # €£¥
[14:17:02] <Bender> karma - coffee: 878
[14:17:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> !whyup coffee
[14:17:13] <Bender> reasons for karma up are: get some into mrcoolbp ASAP, good to the last drop, does it need an octothorpe?, for great justice!, for even moar justice!, is the holiness of grail-shaped beacons, to spice it up in here, I was ironically upmodding in the face of the downmodders despite not drinking coffee BEFORE it was cool, makes a good pinger, for provocation :p, for antagonism, - 1 more
[14:17:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> !more
[14:17:17] <Bender> for great justice, because zoot is very naughty and bad, €£¥
[14:17:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice, bender finally understood something unicode
[14:18:18] <Ethanol-fueled> some soms of bitches think coffee is bad.
[14:18:42] <Ethanol-fueled> UH G so high my head is made of lead
[14:19:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'too early in the morning to be intoxicated, Ethanol-fueled
[14:19:23] <Ethanol-fueled> I know buzzard.
[14:19:29] <paulej72> a lead balloon will float
[14:19:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> mythbusters++
[14:19:38] <Bender> karma - mythbusters: 1
[14:19:43] <Ethanol-fueled> I'll prolly pass out in a few and wake up high later.
[14:20:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[14:20:25] <NetCraft> ^ 03Mythbusters lead balloon - YouTube
[14:20:49] <Ethanol-fueled> teh mythbuster chick likes her nipples bitten.
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[14:21:07] <Ethanol-fueled> they are a greyish color, and pink when excited.
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[14:21:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> she's wicked hot holding a 50cal rifle is all i know
[14:22:02] <Ethanol-fueled> her oily areolae are greasey to the touch.
[14:22:27] <Ethanol-fueled> MOMMMMMY!!!!
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[14:25:06] <paulej72> well,we know where ef went
[14:25:22] <ar> TheMightyBuzzard: it's totally unfair
[14:25:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> ar, arms race, yo. don't start one, won't be one.
[14:26:30] <ar> TheMightyBuzzard: you were the one who started it, with scripted "coffee++" after every "coffee--" by me
[14:26:33] <ar> :p
[14:26:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but that was just a gag to test scripting that i turned off
[14:27:42] <ar> i also turned off my script yesterday
[14:27:49] <ar> which is why you should turn off yours today
[14:28:38] <chromas> Shouldn't you only decrement coffee when you spill it or stream it out later?
[14:29:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> did just a minute ago. think i'm going to rewrite it to count the number of times in the past <blah> timespan and only kick in if it's exceeded.
[14:29:48] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: if there's three or so together then emit 50
[14:29:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> gratuitous scripting excuse
[14:30:05] <chromas> scripting++
[14:30:05] <Bender> karma - scripting: 3
[14:30:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researcher Finds Tor Exit Node Adding Malware to Binaries - http://sylnt.us - some-layers-are-rotten
[14:30:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> scripting++
[14:30:24] <Bender> karma - scripting: 4
[14:30:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> perl++
[14:30:27] <Bender> karma - perl: 5
[14:30:55] * chromas went for a 40-minute walk with the stove on :(
[14:31:01] <chromas> smoke--
[14:31:01] <Bender> karma - smoke: -1
[14:33:36] <ar> coffee--
[14:33:36] <Bender> karma - coffee: 877
[14:33:38] <ar> tea++
[14:33:38] <Bender> karma - tea: 112
[14:34:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i may need to switch to tea this morning for hydration purposes even if it means less caffeine
[14:35:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> more beer last night means less coffee today
[14:37:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> back after reboot. kernel upgrade.
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[14:42:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> typing in my password takes longer than the entire rest of the boot process. i dig that.
[14:47:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[14:47:01] <Bender> karma - coffee: 878
[14:51:30] <chromas> archlinux++
[14:51:30] <Bender> karma - archlinux: 59
[14:54:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> archlinux++
[14:54:35] <Bender> karma - archlinux: 60
[14:54:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> systemd--
[14:54:38] <Bender> karma - systemd: -16
[14:55:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, uselessd is starting to show up in the AUR
[14:55:36] <chromas> been there a couple weeks
[14:55:45] <chromas> haven't checked for updates though
[14:56:11] <chromas> needs moar devs though
[14:56:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, really needs lots n lots of devs
[14:56:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> enough so we can fucking well drop systemd
[14:58:02] <chromas> the guy's trying to remove dbus and stuff from it. I think the first thing though is to just separate all the packages that were pulled in
[14:58:27] <ar> coffee--
[14:58:27] <Bender> karma - coffee: 877
[14:58:38] <ar> archlinux-- # for systemd
[14:58:38] <Bender> karma - archlinux: 59
[14:58:46] <chromas> they all have systemd
[14:58:47] <ar> systemd+-
[14:58:53] <ar> gentoo++ # no systemd here!
[14:58:53] <Bender> karma - gentoo: 1
[14:58:56] <chromas> except for three or so
[14:59:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i'd prefer little things like pulseaudio not be fucking tied to one specific init system
[15:00:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> ar, gentoo's fine for some but I don't have the time to spare recompiling every time a package is updated.
[15:00:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> slackware++
[15:00:57] <Bender> karma - slackware: 1
[15:00:58] <chromas> the aur has openrc & sysvinit
[15:01:17] <chromas> No epoch. Subsentient get it in here man!
[15:01:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod but that'd break pulseaudio which does not entirely suck as a top level audio system.
[15:01:27] <ar> TheMightyBuzzard: i have more x86_64 cores than i can count on my fingers, including feet
[15:01:36] <ar> TheMightyBuzzard: distcc does the job
[15:02:29] <ar> (old laptop (2+HT), new laptop (2+HT), NAS/router (4+HT), old router (2), desktop (8))
[15:02:36] <chromas> only thing I don't like about PA right now is that whenever some program decides it needs full volume it turns up the master volume too
[15:03:08] <chromas> ar: you have all of them compiling your updates at once for each other?
[15:03:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> i only have six at the moment and i might be using them encoding some h264 for network streaming or playing a game or what not
[15:03:29] <ar> chromas: i tend to build binpackages on the desktop for the rest of them
[15:03:45] <chromas> those extra cores don't count then, re compiling
[15:04:06] <ar> well, they're used by distcc
[15:04:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i could set up one of the boxes as a package distribution server but nothing but my desktop has reasonable processing capacity.
[15:05:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> hell, two of em have celerons
[15:05:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> celeron--
[15:05:50] <Bender> karma - celeron: -1
[15:06:13] <chromas> vegetables
[15:06:20] <chromas> intel celery
[15:06:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> bacon's the only vegetable worth eating.
[15:07:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> pigs eat vegetables, bacon comes from pigs, bacon is a vegetable. QED
[15:08:09] <chromas> but that means you're a vegetable, so I'll be stopping by to pick up all those computers and stuff you don't need any more
[15:08:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> i should build myself an actual worth having server one of these days but i keep upgrading my desktop and giving the servers hand-me-downs instead
[15:19:36] <ar> hm
[15:19:47] <ar> my old router is a celeron g550
[15:19:53] <ar> or something like that
[15:20:19] <ar> it's fast enought for self-hosting gentoo
[15:21:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine're mostly bluebox linksys or a couple of newer buffalo ones. dd-wrt is generally good enough for me for a router, don't need an entire box.
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[15:21:46] <ar> my current nas/router/local gentoo mirror is an i7-3770t w/ 16G of ram.
[15:21:50] <ar> but the ram is used by zfs
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[15:22:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads
[15:22:30] <ar> and it has quad-port intel NIC
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[15:23:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. i generally prefer local storage on my desktop and set up nfs/smb/streaming/etc... from it. this needs to change but not today.
[15:27:05] <geotti> ddwrt-- for being open core
[15:27:05] <Bender> karma - ddwrt: -1
[15:27:16] <geotti> openwrt++ for bein teh siht!
[15:27:16] <Bender> karma - openwrt: 1
[15:27:59] <ar> hm
[15:30:28] <geotti> fritz!box++ for being easy to use and powerful
[15:30:50] <ar> i have my own iptables+git firewall script
[15:31:20] <geotti> that sounds like something to add to my todo list
[15:32:09] <geotti> tea_with_honey++
[15:32:09] <Bender> karma - tea_with_honey: 1
[15:32:28] <geotti> coffee-- for making me all jiggly
[15:32:28] <Bender> karma - coffee: 876
[15:33:04] <ar> http://semiaccurate.com
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[15:36:36] <geotti> cheap_asics++
[15:36:37] <Bender> karma - cheap_asics: 1
[15:36:46] <geotti> that's how it sounds
[15:53:59] <chromas> geotti++ # the weather channel
[15:53:59] <Bender> karma - geotti: 2
[15:54:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather
[15:54:13] <exec> Weather for Ada, OK - currently 77°F / 25°C, clear, wind SW at 8 mph, humidity 57% - Sunday clear (63°F-88°F / 17°C-31°C), Monday chance of storm (54°F-82°F / 12°C-28°C), Tuesday partly cloudy (45°F-72°F / 7°C-22°C), Wednesday partly cloudy (48°F-72°F / 9°C-22°C) - source: Google
[15:54:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, definitely going fishing tuesday
[16:01:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Star Escapes Black Hole Almost Unharmed - http://sylnt.us - couldn't-eat-a-whole-one
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[16:44:01] <geotti> building_hexchat_on_os_x--
[16:44:01] <Bender> karma - building_hexchat_on_os_x: -1
[16:44:49] <geotti> "error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory" seriously? pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0 finds it just fine, foo!
[16:49:12] <geotti> manually_editing_makefiles_like_its_99--
[16:49:12] <Bender> karma - manually_editing_makefiles_like_its_99: -1
[16:49:52] * geotti looks around for places to retrain as a woodworker
[16:50:11] <geotti> at least the tools there work
[16:58:58] * geotti feels all alone in this vast channel
[17:12:55] <geotti> finding out that what you've been trying to build for the last couple of hours is already available as a homebrew formula... priceless.
[17:14:44] <geotti> os_x++ for letting me run X11 next to aqua
[17:14:44] <Bender> karma - os_x: 1
[17:28:49] <geotti> fish++
[17:28:49] <Bender> karma - fish: 10
[17:28:58] <geotti> tmux++
[17:28:58] <Bender> karma - tmux: 5
[17:30:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NSA-Approved Samsung Knox Stores PIN in Cleartext - http://sylnt.us - but-for-whose-security?
[18:18:22] <SirFinkus> why hexchat geotti ?
[18:18:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause it's actively developed unlike any of the others?
[18:20:13] <SirFinkus> https://github.com
[18:20:14] <NetCraft> ^ 03Codeux/Textual · GitHub
[18:22:37] <SirFinkus> native, active developer, open source
[18:23:02] <SirFinkus> $5 if you don't want to compile it, or want icloud support
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[18:50:30] <ar> coffee--
[18:50:30] <Bender> karma - coffee: 875
[18:50:32] <ar> tmux++
[18:50:32] <Bender> karma - tmux: 6
[19:01:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Study says Roman Gladiators were Mostly Vegetarian - http://sylnt.us
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[19:50:21] <crutchy> coffee++
[19:50:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 876
[19:55:49] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[19:55:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 875
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[19:58:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> heya, Bytram
[19:58:32] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: g'day!
[19:58:47] <Bytram> was hoping I'd find you here...
[19:58:55] <Bytram> did you get the email from mrcoolbp??
[19:59:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, that's already solved for comments by the new filter in the diacritics pull request
[19:59:47] <Bytram> great!
[20:00:12] <Bytram> I saw his e-mail after I tried a few things on dev and they seemed to be okay
[20:00:28] <Bytram> not exhaustive testing, by any means, but more a proff-of-not-being-terribly-borked
[20:00:35] <Bytram> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[20:00:36] <exec> Weather for Ada, OK - currently 86°F / 30°C, clear, wind S at 21 mph, humidity 43% - Sunday clear (63°F-88°F / 17°C-31°C), Monday chance of storm (54°F-82°F / 12°C-28°C), Tuesday partly cloudy (45°F-72°F / 7°C-22°C), Wednesday partly cloudy (48°F-72°F / 9°C-22°C) - source: Google
[20:00:50] <Bytram> wow! that's hot!
[20:00:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> dev shouldn't be much better than live right now but i'm gonna be putting a lot of time into filters next week and getting them right.
[20:01:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ya, lil warm for october.
[20:01:09] <Bytram> huh. really?
[20:01:32] <Bytram> not the weather, I meant that you didn't think there'd be much difference?
[20:02:12] <Bytram> I'd seen some cases where "&" chars were being removed either on preview or submit; coulnd't make out exactly which.
[20:02:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno really. going to take a LOT of filter building, testing, reworking, retesting to get everything right.
[20:02:19] <Bytram> nod nod
[20:02:24] <Bytram> it's quite the beast.
[20:03:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, gotta have different filters for preview vs what goes back into the edit box of a preview. preview and submitted render have to match exactly
[20:03:21] <Bytram> it's pretty much a black box to me as to *what* gets filtered *where* and when in the comment/story/journal preview/submit process.
[20:03:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> different ones for subject of a comment vs subject of a story/sub
[20:03:28] <Bytram> yeah, what you said!
[20:03:31] <Bytram> =)
[20:03:40] <Bytram> oh, goody.
[20:04:01] <Bytram> would it help if you had a suite of things to throw at it?
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[20:04:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's all in Data.pm. strip_blah does the work and what work each strip does is defined up above
[20:05:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, not until I've got them where i think they're working.
[20:05:23] <Sis> Hello there.
[20:05:24] <ciri> hello, whats up Sis
[20:05:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> yo
[20:05:39] <Bytram> I was thinking more like stuff I can create for you to use to see if it *is* working as you expect.
[20:05:46] <Bytram> Sis: hey there!
[20:05:56] <Bytram> oh, almost forgot...
[20:05:59] <Bytram> coffee++
[20:05:59] <Bender> karma - coffee: 876
[20:06:17] <Bytram> huh? I thought we were up in 970+ area last I looked!
[20:06:20] <Bytram> !uid
[20:06:20] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4821, owned by DarthFooobar
[20:06:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, nah i'm going to be defaulting to allowing anything and only stripping out the things that break.
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[20:07:02] <Bytram> okaaaaay.
[20:07:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> generally it's easy to tell what they'll be
[20:07:54] * Bytram thinks you have an interesting concept of the term "easy"
[20:08:14] <Bytram> dinner should be ready; back in a couple minutes
[20:08:51] <Bytram> back.
[20:09:59] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: while you're at it, one of the things that has been a bit of a challenge is the way submissions get processed before they get into the submissions queue.
[20:10:37] <Bytram> sometimes, paragraphs of text are marked with " " or " " (notice the space in the middle) and others as "..."
[20:11:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, there's a reason for that. plain old text vs html
[20:11:17] <Bytram> I was kinda thinking along those lines.
[20:11:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> sometimes you want something to only be one line down, then you use a br. sometimes you want an empty line between things, then you should get a tag.
[20:12:04] <Bytram> how hard would it be to do "s/ [[:space:]]* //g" on it so that it's at least consistent for us editors?
[20:12:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> not too hard. that's part of the filtering i'll be working on anyway i think.
[20:13:03] <Bytram> if you could work that in, I'd be *much* obliged.
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[20:17:36] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[20:17:37] <exec> Weather for Boston, MA - currently 57°F / 14°C, scattered clouds, wind NW at 9 mph, humidity 56% - Sunday showers (43°F-55°F / 6°C-13°C), Monday clear (43°F-55°F / 6°C-13°C), Tuesday partly cloudy (55°F-63°F / 13°C-17°C), Wednesday chance of rain (50°F-72°F / 10°C-22°C) - source: Google
[20:18:16] <Bytram> brb
[20:20:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Transplant Surgeons Use Heart that Stopped Beating - http://sylnt.us - operating-during-a-storm
[20:23:12] <Bytram> ~time x
[20:23:13] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Sunday, 26 October 2014, 8:23 pm
[20:24:03] <Sis> 22:23 Pm.
[20:25:06] <Bytram> I was checking something having to do with when mod points expire...
[20:25:26] <Bytram> I hvae mod points that expire at 2014-10-26 20:10
[20:25:56] <Bytram> I have my acct set up for "Universal Time Coordinated" "Manual (Off)"
[20:26:31] <Bytram> so, my mod points should have expired a while ago, but there are still showing as being available.
[20:27:15] <Bytram> btw, those settings were for: "Time Zone / Daylight Savings Time"
[20:28:12] <Bytram> I just change DST to be "Automatic"...
[20:28:28] <Bytram> and it stills says that they expire at "20:10"
[20:29:36] <Bytram> now I set it to "Manual (On)" and... now it shows they expire at "21:10"
[20:29:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> sorry got texts, irc, and two other communication channels all buggin me at once.
[20:29:48] <Bytram> nodnod
[20:30:18] <Bytram> just logging data for a bug that I'd previously submitted on expiration of mod points.
[20:31:18] * Bytram restored settings to UTC with DST=OFF
[20:32:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, we haven't touched that bug yet cause it's not a big deal if they get to keep their points too long.
[20:32:55] <Bytram> nod nod; much better that way than the other way around!
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[20:39:32] <JamesNZ> emacs++
[20:39:32] <Bender> karma - emacs: 4
[20:40:29] <Bytram> afk back in a few
[20:51:51] <crutchy> coffee++
[20:51:51] <Bender> karma - coffee: 877
[20:54:16] <Bytram> back
[20:54:25] <Bytram> crutchy: hey there! how's things down under?
[20:54:29] <Bytram> ~weather crutchy
[20:54:30] <exec> Weather for Traralgon VIC, Australia - currently 56°F / 13°C, rain, wind N at 0 mph, humidity 99% - Monday rain (45°F-61°F / 7°C-16°C), Tuesday chance of rain (46°F-61°F / 8°C-16°C), Wednesday partly cloudy (46°F-77°F / 8°C-25°C), Thursday partly cloudy (43°F-77°F / 6°C-25°C) - source: Google
[20:54:40] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[20:54:41] <exec> Weather for Boston, MA - currently 56°F / 13°C, scattered clouds, wind N at 4 mph, humidity 57% - Sunday showers (43°F-55°F / 6°C-13°C), Monday clear (43°F-55°F / 6°C-13°C), Tuesday partly cloudy (55°F-63°F / 13°C-17°C), Wednesday chance of rain (50°F-72°F / 10°C-22°C) - source: Google
[20:55:01] <crutchy> not too bad thanks Bytram
[20:55:10] <Bytram> glad to "hear" it!
[20:55:13] <crutchy> on my first coffee for the day
[20:55:18] <Bytram> nod nod
[20:55:21] <crutchy> how bout yourself?
[20:55:22] <Bytram> ~time crutchy
[20:55:24] <exec> Monday, 27 October 2014 @ 7:55 am GMT+11 - Traralgon VIC, Australia
[20:55:47] <Bytram> just finished a nice dinner of spaghetti and will soon be ready for a nap!
[20:55:49] <crutchy> contemplating walking to work, but weather is a bit unstable
[20:55:55] <Bytram> nod nod
[20:55:56] <crutchy> ooh
[20:56:04] <crutchy> <- jealous
[20:56:12] <Bytram> ~time boston
[20:56:13] <exec> Sunday, 26 October 2014 @ 4:56 pm EDT - Boston, MA
[20:56:25] <Bytram> it's a little later in the day up this way =)
[20:56:39] <crutchy> gots ourselves a little voting scripty now
[20:56:48] <Bytram> yeah?
[20:56:53] <crutchy> still couple of things on the todo list for it, but its functional
[20:57:01] * Bytram plans to vote early and often
[20:57:23] <crutchy> http://sylnt.us
[20:57:53] <crutchy> documentation/help for it kinda sucks atm
[20:58:14] <Bytram> unrelated, but curious as to your thoughts... I noticed again that capitalization in the names of things makes all the difference...
[20:58:31] <Bytram> this story is on the main page: http://soylentnews.org
[20:58:47] <Bytram> which links to: http://www.frontiersin.org
[20:59:03] <Bytram> so, is that "Frontiers In" or "Frontier Sin" ?? ;)
[20:59:49] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN article 03 Frontiers Launches New Open-Access Journal: Frontiers in ICT. 04(4 comments)
[20:59:52] <NetCraft> ^ 03Frontiers in ICT
[21:00:18] <crutchy> tbh, i find camel case distracting
[21:00:35] <Bytram> expertsexchange.com
[21:00:49] <Bytram> Is that ExpertSexChange or ExpertsExchange ??
[21:01:07] <crutchy> now that's a name that could sell stuff ;d
[21:01:07] <Bytram> does make a bit of a difference.
[21:02:07] <crutchy> i prefer_to_use_something_like_this, but now that I think of it i do use camel case for delphi programming (just cos it's the "Borland Way")
[21:02:35] <Bytram> yup... I_prefer_to_use_undescores_too.
[21:02:44] <crutchy> "Frontier Sin" sounds more trendy
[21:03:01] <crutchy> tama would recommend it as a band name no doubt
[21:03:09] <Bytram> Especially when there are capitalized terms in the name
[21:04:02] <Bytram> CamelCaseWithInitialCaps has problems when one of the terms is normally ALLCAPS
[21:04:47] <Bytram> HTTP_daemon vs HTTPDaemon
[21:05:45] <Bytram> crutchy: btw, your voting tool says in the objectives: "difficult to vote more than once" but then you later have "user may vote any number of times, but only one vote is registered per NickServ account "
[21:06:17] <crutchy> difficult to vote more than once was referring to ballot stuffing
[21:06:52] <Bytram> oh. I get it *now*, but it wasn't clear to me 'til you 'splained it. :/
[21:06:54] <crutchy> but will eventually add vote configurations for stuff like that so that you can set it up how you want
[21:07:03] <Bytram> nod nod
[21:07:13] <crutchy> yeah the doc sux. gotta fix that
[21:07:28] * Bytram spent way too much time in test/QA ... can't NOT notice such things. Sorry!
[21:07:30] <crutchy> anyways better go to workipoos. catch ya later
[21:07:36] <crutchy> nah its good :D
[21:07:43] <Bytram> hope your day goes well!!
[21:07:47] <crutchy> Bytram++ # the QA man!
[21:07:47] <Bender> karma - bytram: 24
[21:08:33] <Bytram> I appreciate the kudos, but more like I recognized that I was like "Dennis the Menace" and had a knack for things breaking in my vicinity, so decided to get paid to do it! =)
[21:09:06] <Bytram> ~vote
[21:09:07] <exec> http://sylnt.us
[21:09:12] <Bytram> ~vote ?
[21:09:13] <exec> http://sylnt.us
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[21:09:19] <Bytram> ~vote help
[21:09:19] <exec> http://sylnt.us
[21:09:37] <Bytram> ~vote list
[21:09:38] <exec> no polls registered
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[21:11:28] <Bytram> http://www.frontiersin.org
[21:11:30] <NetCraft> ^ 03Frontiers in ICT
[21:11:42] <Bytram> yeah, but what *is* ICT?
[21:12:58] <Bytram> http://www.frontiersin.org
[21:12:59] <NetCraft> ^ 03Frontiers in ICT | About the Journal
[21:13:32] <Bytram> ~define ICT
[21:13:34] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3ICT: A short Abbv for wichita K.S... ICT = Airport abbv ICT = Short for wichita
[21:13:46] <Azrael> Information & Communication Technology
[21:14:05] <Bytram> Azrael: thanks for that! Would it be *that* hard for them to spell that out somewhere?
[21:14:51] <Azrael> :D
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[21:15:09] <Bytram> Independent Computer Technologies
[21:15:30] <Bytram> ima gonna fix it.
[21:17:10] <Bytram> done.
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[21:29:42] <Bytram> !uid
[21:29:42] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4821, owned by DarthFooobar
[21:31:27] <Bytram> http://soylentnews.org
[21:31:28] <NetCraft> ^ 03SoylentNews Friend/Foe System
[21:32:52] <chromas> http://threatpost.com
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[21:51:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Army says Only 30% of Americans Qualified to Join - http://sylnt.us - new-military-overlords
[21:53:52] <chromas> That doesn't seem so bad
[21:54:08] <chromas> All the udnerage and elderly plus disabled people
[21:54:14] <chromas> and the people of walmart
[22:08:27] <Bytram> actually, it *is* that bad: "Clifford Davis reports that seven out of 10 young people between the ages of 17 and 24 are ineligible to become soldiers primarily due to three issues: obesity or health problems; lack of a high school education; and criminal histories."
[22:08:42] <Bytram> unfortunately, I gtg... wish I could stay to chat!
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[23:20:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Intonations in Sign Language - http://sylnt.us - talk-to-the-hands