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[01:11:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - It's 2014 and You Can Still Pwn a Box Using a Word File, a TTF Font, or Flash - http://sylnt.us - separation-of-concerns
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[01:40:20] <SirFinkus> I love it when I get a ballot, and all of the candidates listed are terrible
[01:44:03] <_NSAKEY> SirFinkus: Isn't that virtually ever ballot?
[01:44:10] <SirFinkus> yeah
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[01:46:56] <SirFinkus> I have a choice between a guy who supports unlawful NSA survelience, and a Woman who supports creating a DNA database
[01:48:16] <SirFinkus> and voted against equal rights for gay married couples
[01:51:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Horizons Project Looking at KBO Flyby - http://sylnt.us - more-than-four-thousand-trips-to-the-moon-and-back
[02:01:00] <chromas> She wants our DNA? To the trollmobile!
[02:07:26] <SirFinkus> both candidates have intolerable positions, bart simpson it is
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[03:10:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Microsoft Hacked Trademark Law to Let it Secretly Seize Whole Businesses - http://sylnt.us - I-am-the-law
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[04:06:39] <Leebert> So we have to keep track of our tasks on our core charge code at work now using a journal in our timesheet app...
[04:07:20] <Leebert> I really want to start putting in that journal: "Mr. Speaker, this morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others, and in addition to my duties in this house, I shall have further such meetings this afternoon."
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[04:41:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ebola Deeply - http://sylnt.us - truly-madly
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[05:47:37] <crutchy_> coffee++
[05:47:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 961
[05:47:39] * chromas reads a ridiculous thread on fb about the evil flu shot and Desiree Jennings (even though that's years old now).
[05:47:52] <chromas> Apparently, antibiotics make people sick and we should go natural because the FDA can't patent dirt.
[05:48:21] <Konomi> quick rub butter on it that'll fix it
[05:50:14] * chromas puts a bird on it
[05:50:20] <keplr> Overuse of antibiotics creates bacteria which make us sick.
[05:50:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Munich Reveals Preliminary Costs for a 'Return' to Windows - http://sylnt.us - only-after-empire-strikes-back
[05:51:57] <keplr> I got a flu shot for the first time last year and it made me incredibly nausiated for a few hours. I skipped it this year.
[05:54:23] <keplr> I probably should have manned up and gotten it, but I didn't. I will next year. I felt too much like a luddite...or a Christian Scientist.
[05:55:39] <chromas> I'm sure you're a long way from these butbags
[05:55:45] <chromas> or nutbags
[05:55:46] <chromas> whatever
[05:56:50] <crutchy_> butbags++
[05:56:50] <Bender> karma - butbags: 1
[05:57:02] <keplr> The science behind vaccination is conclusive, it works. It's better to be vaccinated than not. I made the typical short-term decision; I didn't want to feel like I was going to vomit for half a day in exchange for resistance to a disease I probably wouldn't get anyway.
[05:59:08] <crutchy_> vaccination probably works the same way as computer antivirus. its generally worth having but its not in the best interest of drug companies to cure all disease
[05:59:27] <Konomi> needles ._.
[05:59:33] * Konomi fucking runs for it
[06:00:08] <crutchy_> makes me wonder if these companies have disease development programs running alongside vaccine development programs
[06:00:21] <Konomi> crutchy_ enters conspiricy mode
[06:00:26] <keplr> It's called evolution
[06:00:39] <keplr> Life's great R&D department.
[06:00:54] <_NSAKEY> crutchy_: That sounds a lot like the rumors one sometimes hears about guys at AV companies writing malware and releasing it for job security.
[06:00:58] <keplr> Bad ideas exit through the door labeled "DEATH"
[06:01:38] <crutchy_> nsakey. that sounds like a given
[06:01:42] * Konomi shoves apple director board through that door
[06:02:11] <keplr> Been using OS X 10.10 all evening quite happily
[06:02:31] <keplr> Apple isn't all bad
[06:02:38] <crutchy_> av companies would go out of business without a ready supply of malware
[06:02:47] <_NSAKEY> Am I hallucinating, or did gewg_ misspell "linux" as "limux" all over that last story?
[06:03:17] <keplr> crutchy_: there's a huge gap between saying that, and saying they deliberatly weaken their products, or make more malware
[06:03:19] <Konomi> you are
[06:03:26] <Konomi> he meant it to be limux
[06:03:30] <Konomi> https://en.wikipedia.org
[06:03:32] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03LiMux
[06:03:45] <_NSAKEY> OH.
[06:03:46] <keplr> Software written by humans is SHIT. It's fully of bugs. Bad people exist, and they exploit those bugs. AV companies have plenty to fight against without making more problems.
[06:04:07] <_NSAKEY> I was reading the article and wondering if we were all being trolled.
[06:04:10] <crutchy_> dunno whether they weaken their producrs. that would be advantageous to the competition
[06:04:12] <Konomi> all software must be shit then cause last I checked only humans write software ;p
[06:04:23] <ar> not really
[06:04:42] <ar> sometimes people write software that generates another bit of software
[06:04:51] <Konomi> doesn't count
[06:04:52] <keplr> Konomi: It's true, yes. It's all shit. Even Linux. Bash, part of most Linux distros, was just compromised.
[06:05:20] <Konomi> blip on the radar
[06:05:28] <Konomi> same way people paniced about y2k
[06:05:30] <_NSAKEY> keplr: To be pedantic, bash has been shipping with the offending code since 1989.
[06:05:31] <Konomi> and nothing fucking happened
[06:05:36] <crutchy_> its good that more people looking at linux. its like the original assumption is finally coming to fruition
[06:05:45] <keplr> There are security fixes for Linux every month, just like Linux.
[06:05:51] <keplr> *Windows
[06:06:06] <_NSAKEY> Everyone is looking at everything sec-related now though, since the Snowden leaks started.
[06:06:07] <Konomi> linux you can see them all windows you can't
[06:06:13] <ar> Software has bugs. News at 11
[06:06:42] <crutchy_> everyone assumed that cos openssl was open source tbat everyone was scrutinising the code. at least now it actually may be
[06:06:53] <keplr> Security through obscurity and "all bugs are shallow given enough eyes" probably cancel out, IMO
[06:06:59] <Konomi> it's not that linux is more secure thought it may very well be in design aspect to windows it's that anyone can find problems and anyone can offer the patch
[06:07:04] <Konomi> closed source can't do that
[06:07:10] <ar> crutchy_: openssl was one of those cases where everything that could go wrong, went wrong
[06:07:38] <crutchy_> closed source is by definition insecure because its security cant be independently verifief
[06:07:46] <crutchy_> *verified
[06:07:57] <keplr> Trust is not the same thing as security, though they are related.
[06:08:32] <crutchy_> who would trust microsoft sayibg that windows is secure?
[06:08:41] <Konomi> very very stupid people
[06:08:56] <crutchy_> a third party saying it would carry more weight
[06:09:23] <crutchy_> but they cant cos closed source
[06:09:40] <Konomi> third party that audited their source code maybeeee
[06:09:40] <keplr> MS actually lets its code be audited by governments.
[06:09:51] <keplr> But who knows if that's the same thing they ship them.
[06:10:04] <Konomi> yes cause I totally want to trust government they never spawn any agencies that would have an agenda to leave bugs in windows source code...
[06:10:27] <keplr> And SEL was written by the NSA
[06:10:40] <keplr> Government want their own shit to be secure
[06:10:54] <crutchy_> yeah I dunno. thats the problem isnt it. cant pgp source code from multiple sources
[06:11:22] <crutchy_> or whatever the thingy is that compares sources
[06:11:32] <Konomi> I'll stick to trusting the FOSS community since they have an agenda similar to my own
[06:11:39] <Konomi> can't say the same for governments or companies
[06:11:48] <crutchy_> konomi++
[06:11:48] <Bender> karma - konomi: 25
[06:14:39] <Konomi> latest article does have a broken link though
[06:14:40] <Konomi> https://soylentnews.org
[06:14:41] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN article 03 Close 04(/stats.soylentnews.org/piwik/"; comments)
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[08:00:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - XBMC Continues to Live-on in the Original Xbox - http://sylnt.us - not-dead-yet
[08:00:35] <ar> didn't xbmc change its name?
[08:00:45] <ar> (to something noone can remember)
[08:03:27] <chromas> Yep
[08:04:23] <chromas> oh the xb has an 8GB hdd? That was totally useless
[08:04:36] <chromas> Thought they were bigger 'cause the ones I've seen had 120s
[08:17:12] <ar> chromas: those were hacked units
[08:17:59] <chromas> yeah
[08:18:28] <chromas> should've known the stock HDDs would be tiny since consoles always have next to no storage
[08:21:20] <ar> well, used to have
[08:21:27] <ar> now they're just like PCs
[08:21:39] <ar> except crappier hardware
[08:21:50] <chromas> xboxs were just like pcs, except crappier hardware
[08:22:04] <chromas> locked_down--
[08:22:04] <Bender> karma - locked_down: -1
[08:25:45] <ar> yeah
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[08:45:02] <JamesNZ> ~gnight
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[09:41:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Meritocracy: The Workplace Culture that Breeds Success - http://sylnt.us - how-do-you-rate?
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[09:55:54] <crutchy> coffee++
[09:55:54] <Bender> karma - coffee: 962
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[10:01:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
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[10:22:42] <Bytram> coffee++
[10:22:42] <Bender> karma - coffee: 963
[10:22:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:22:58] <Bender> karma - coffee: 964
[10:23:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes indeed
[10:23:18] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: g'morning! you're up early.
[10:23:21] <Bytram> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[10:23:22] <exec> Weather for Ada, OK - currently 55°F / 13°C, clear, wind N at 4 mph, humidity 88% - Friday partly cloudy (52°F-79°F / 11°C-26°C), Saturday clear (48°F-72°F / 9°C-22°C), Sunday partly cloudy (50°F-73°F / 10°C-23°C), Monday clear (55°F-79°F / 13°C-26°C) - source: Google
[10:23:30] <Bytram> ~time TheMightyBuzzard
[10:23:31] <exec> Friday, 17 October 2014 @ 5:23 am CDT - Ada, OK
[10:23:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> same early every day unless i oversleep
[10:23:48] <Bytram> yup, oh-dark-thirty =)
[10:24:11] <Bytram> trying to remember... can you see approved stories on the main site?
[10:24:19] <Bytram> http://soylentnews.org
[10:24:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp
[10:24:20] <NetCraft> ^ 03- SoylentNews User ( http://soylentnews.org )
[10:24:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> no admin.pl for me
[10:24:39] <Bytram> nod nod
[10:25:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess technically i could go in and change my seclevel but generally nothing i do requires it.
[10:25:36] <Bytram> we have a story that was slated to go out at 16:55 UTC today that looks to be mostly a dupe of the Lockheed skunkworks fusion one that went out
[10:25:38] <Bytram> http://soylentnews.org
[10:25:39] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN article 03 Lockheed Claims Fusion Breakthrough 04(67 comments)
[10:25:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[10:25:52] <Bytram> at 03:07 on thursday
[10:26:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> any new info in it?
[10:26:18] <Bytram> the main difference I see is that it contains links to what are claimed to be three patent applications for the device.
[10:26:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, put an ed note saying we know it's a dupe but let it through for the additional info then.
[10:27:26] <Bytram> hmmm.
[10:28:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> or find another editor and let them make the call. good luck this early though.
[10:28:18] <Bytram> nod nod
[10:28:52] <Bytram> I've toggled it to NOT display, and added a note to the top in all caps that it is a dupe except for the links for patents
[10:29:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds good
[10:30:42] <Bytram> thanks for the feedback!
[10:30:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> cheers, i got an opinion for every occasion.
[10:31:20] <Bytram> on an entirely different note, I got my flu shot last thursday and have been dragging for the last few days.
[10:31:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, s'why i don't get em.
[10:31:43] <Bytram> took a 4-hour nap on wed and another 90-minnute nap yesterday
[10:32:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> 4/5 years i don't get the flu so it's generally a waste of money and feeling bad.
[10:32:18] <Bytram> I look at it this way: if I'm getting this kind of reaction to a reduced version of the little bugger, I can just imagine what I'd feel like if I got the real deal.
[10:32:45] <Bytram> since I deal with the general public all day, it'd only be a matter of time before I came in contact with multiple people who had it.
[10:32:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. i got the immune system of a rock though.
[10:33:27] <Bytram> it helps that it is covered by insurance and they bring in someone for a day to administer the shots. convenient to do it.
[10:33:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless i lick a peatri dish, i'm prolly good
[10:33:54] <Bytram> that's a visual I'd like to forget.
[10:33:59] <Bytram> =)
[10:34:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, how big a stink you think the meritocracy story'll cause?
[10:34:30] <Bytram> I need to disconnect shortly, but is there anything new in the works I should be aware of?
[10:34:41] <Bytram> good question.
[10:34:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> not that i'm aware of though dev could prolly use a sync up and deploy to get everything current.
[10:34:58] <Bytram> I think it depends on whether or not people realize how much we use that concept around the site
[10:35:56] <Bytram> I mean, there are certain submitters and commenters that, as soon as I see their nick, I have an idea of how, umm, informative/incendiary/etc. the material will be
[10:36:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i mean on one hand we got a lot of people who hate seeing bosses who don't know dick, on the other hand they're quite a few left leaners too.
[10:36:10] <Bytram> nod nod
[10:36:44] <Bytram> no rush on updating dev; I've got a few wull days ahead of me...
[10:36:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> us, we mostly practice "who has the time and desire"-ocracy
[10:37:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> we'd need more people for merit to come up
[10:37:31] <Bytram> for staff? yup.
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[10:38:56] <Bytram> there are certain community members who have earned my appreciation by their postings
[10:39:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> for the stories, well gewg_ is gonna get published along with a few others but we do publish most subs regardless.
[10:39:41] * Bytram looks at boristhespider, cafebabe, occasionally frojack, TheMightyBuzzard(!), off the top of my head
[10:40:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but i don't sub often. only when i can't get someone else to.
[10:40:39] <Bytram> yeah, but when I see something from his in the queue, it seems there's a slant, distortion, spin that I need to watch out for and go to the primary sources to check it out.
[10:40:52] <Bytram> well, there's your comments, too!
[10:41:15] <juggs> 0/ morning all
[10:41:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, my comments are a tad more incendiary than my subs
[10:41:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin
[10:41:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, yeah, guess it's still morning for you
[10:41:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> few more minutes anyway
[10:41:48] <Bytram> otoh, cafbabe, tonyPick, hugh pickens, those I know I can pretty much give a cursory check and call it good.
[10:41:58] <Bytram> juggs: hi!
[10:42:07] <Bytram> well, I'm expecting a phone call in a couiple minuites
[10:42:09] <Bytram> gtg
[10:42:11] * juggs tips hat to Bytram
[10:42:11] <Bytram> ttyl
[10:42:12] <Bytram> !
[10:42:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[10:47:24] * chromas submits filler :)
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[11:51:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - F.B.I. Director Calls "Dark" Devices a Hindrance to Crime Solving - http://sylnt.us - nothing-to-hide-vs-none-of-your-business
[11:57:20] <chromas> From the boodle-hoodle dept
[12:19:04] <Konomi> anyone know of an addon for firefox htat will stop everything showing up with a damn playlist?
[12:36:14] <juggs> eh? playlists where?
[12:37:48] <juggs> and uchh.. my vacuum cleaner motor just decided it is in fact an arc welder, nice blue spark display and crackly noises :D
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[12:42:38] <Konomi> I'm trying to fifure out why my borrowed desk chair would only have a tilt foward option
[12:42:45] <Konomi> seriously who wants to lean foward in a chair
[12:44:13] <Konomi> juggs: https://www.youtube.com
[12:44:14] <NetCraft> ^ 03drh4683 - YouTube
[12:44:18] <Konomi> click any video bet it loads a playlist
[12:44:28] <Konomi> when i am already on a damn list
[12:45:29] <juggs> yup playlists everywhere :D
[13:00:33] <juggs> \o/ yay maufacturer sending out a brand new vacuum under warranty :D
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[13:06:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha! hahahahaha! suck it, slashcode! I got rss not triple encoding!
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[13:22:23] <Konomi> https://greasyfork.org
[13:22:24] <NetCraft> ^ 03Playlist Remover
[13:50:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Prof: Olympics are Overrated as an Economic Growth Engine - http://sylnt.us - mental-gmnastics
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[14:54:04] <Blackmoore> mornin
[14:54:09] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[14:54:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 965
[14:54:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin
[14:54:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[14:54:22] <Bender> karma - coffee: 966
[14:55:32] <Blackmoore> Hows things TMB?
[14:56:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, pretty fair. got the feeds not doing double and triple encoding anyway. just a bit hackish cause the stuff in the db has encoding it shouldn't.
[14:56:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> one of pj's fixes i think broke something.
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[15:01:30] <Blackmoore> well slash isn't exactly "clean" code - crap like that is bound to happen
[15:02:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[15:02:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll go back and have a look at it. another day. for now the hack will work.
[15:03:11] <Leebert> Thanks to all of you sifting through the code.
[15:03:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> np, s'fun when you get something fixed or implemented.
[15:09:05] <Leebert> Kind of like guys who like restoring old cars. :)
[15:10:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty much, yeah. feels good to get something done and there's plenty of little things that can be done fairly quickly.
[15:10:53] <Leebert> I miss coding. Well; more scripting than anything else. Despite the Comp. Sci. degree, I'm always a sysadmin at heart. :)
[15:12:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> no degree here. got bored the first semester cause everyone was moving sooooo slow and dropped out.
[15:12:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> taught myself to sysadmin over the next half year while fixing up computers and got my first sysadmin job.
[15:15:07] <Leebert> Took me 14.5 years to finally get my bachelor's. Only finished because $oldboss said: "I can't give you any more raises until you get your degree."
[15:15:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> perl i learned as part of sysadmining cause you gotta know it.
[15:15:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn
[15:16:29] <Leebert> The perils of government contracting. You can only bill so much for people without certain objective attributes.
[15:18:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, that'd do it. makes no damned sense but such is the nature of the government.
[15:21:01] <Blackmoore> eh i dropped out of compsci to raise a family. at the time i was practically teaching the classes
[15:21:23] <Blackmoore> still never got the damn balanced trees thing to work
[15:22:09] <Blackmoore> I really do want to go bck to coding. i miss writing games
[15:24:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> boy not me. they get overly complex. much easier to deal with slash and such.
[15:37:47] <Blackmoore> http://what-if.xkcd.com
[15:37:48] <NetCraft> ^ 03No-Rules NASCAR
[15:52:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Attacking Cholesterol Problems by Mimicking Good Cholesterol - http://sylnt.us - suppress-creation-vs-remove-production?
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[16:37:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, done with that as best i can be.
[16:37:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> and since it's friday, that's it for me until monday.
[17:01:22] <juggs> good work sir. must be beer o'clock :)
[17:01:41] <Blackmoore> passes TMB a shot and a beer.
[17:02:05] * juggs passes Blackmoore a large bottle of rum
[17:02:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmmmm booze
[17:03:59] * juggs has just finished clean/lubing all the pots and switches in his amp - maybe placebo effect but I swear it's brightened up the sound and it no longer cuts the right channel at low vols. :D
[17:06:57] <ar> juggs: cleaning might do the right channel thing
[17:07:04] <ar> had the same issue with my old amp
[17:07:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, could be or could be you got some dust off the contacts
[17:07:23] <ar> or that
[17:07:35] <juggs> stopped some crunching on a couple of switches too :D
[17:07:54] <juggs> can't complain for a 20+ y/old amp really
[17:09:06] <Blackmoore> mm. rum!
[17:09:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> food time now
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[17:21:44] <Leebert> Woo hoo! ebola at the Pentagon? I will be NOT riding the subway today...
[17:28:56] <Blackmoore> wtf.
[17:29:04] <Blackmoore> seriously?
[17:29:24] * juggs hands Leebert one of the emergency hazmat outfits
[17:31:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Some Male Brains are Wired to Ignore Food for Sex - http://sylnt.us - new-fad-diet-for-men
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[17:32:45] <Leebert> WEll, apparently someone who recently traveled to Africa is puking on a bus at the Pentagon.
[17:33:06] <Leebert> Or so I got from the "your commute home might suck if you take this route" e-mail.
[17:43:46] <ar> oh, i just learned a secret
[17:44:11] <ar> the thing you can buy in US that you call a coffee is watered-down sludge
[17:44:29] <ar> they even water down espresso
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[17:51:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> depends on where you buy it
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[18:05:51] <Blackmoore> ar; yes anything you bought in the store that came preground in a metal can or bag; probably is 10% coffee. and the rest is chickory or othe "coffee beans"
[18:06:13] <Blackmoore> thats why you should only buy the beans.
[18:15:38] <Leebert> "water down espresso"? That's a 'muricano, you foreign sissy! :)
[18:21:15] <Blackmoore> well it's not water that's lacking in the expresso. it's coffee thats missing. real expresso had damn well better be made from running water through cofee under pressure. anything else in that is an alduteration.
[18:21:30] <Blackmoore> sacreligious even
[18:26:18] <Leebert> I honestly wouldn't know; I drink hot chocolate when I go to Starbucks. And tea at my desk.
[18:26:50] <Leebert> Though an ex-coworker who was a tea snob referred to my tea as "dishwater".
[18:27:08] <Leebert> E_INSUFFICIENTLY_REFINED
[18:34:28] <Blackmoore> hehe i have a friend who's an herbalist. she makes good tea. (we have so much of it)
[18:50:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Study Shows Dinosaur Noses Enhanced Smelling and Cooled Brain - http://sylnt.us - nobody-nose-for-sure
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[20:35:39] <Blackmoore> Dear Soylent - i have lost all hope in humanity. How might I assist entropy and bring us to our eventual catacysmic end?
[20:37:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> Blackmoore, vote for the worst of the two choices every time on the ballot. it's a whole lot easier than picking one you actually want to represent you.
[20:37:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what i do
[20:38:56] <Blackmoore> I was hoping for something more active, like redirecting an asteroid, or starting a supervolcano
[20:39:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> you kidding? bad politicians are worse than either of those.
[20:40:02] <Blackmoore> but it's still taking generations.
[20:40:20] <Blackmoore> i was looking for something in the range of 3-4 months
[20:40:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh
[20:41:05] <Blackmoore> frankly the political damage is like cancer. it does it damage, a smal bit of regression, then starts again
[20:41:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly best to steal a nuke and head for salt lake city or something then
[20:41:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> not lately. lately it's been pretty progressive.
[20:41:49] <Blackmoore> well if i had a nuke than yellowstone and supervolcano it is.
[20:42:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> have to dig a big hole for that. too much work.
[20:42:37] <Blackmoore> nah, just ned to be near the gysers,
[20:42:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> take it to china and hit one of their major cities. they're bound to think it was us and return fire.
[20:43:23] <Blackmoore> I'll leave that plan to the natives. bound to happen.
[20:43:56] <Blackmoore> we'll raise your 9/11 tragidy and have a "terrorist" nuke a city
[20:44:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> just go with the political thing then. at least you get to be happy when the fuck things up cause it's just everything going to plan
[20:45:49] <Blackmoore> well it sure explains the current goverment in canada..
[20:46:09] <Blackmoore> has to be contoled by some type of evil mastermind
[20:47:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> wasn't me. prolly shatner. they let the mirror one loose.
[20:48:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm only working on the US at the moment
[20:49:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'm prolly the only one happy with obama's job performance on account of i was banking on him screwing things up.
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[21:20:19] <juggs> waiting on anarchy in the usa TMB?
[21:20:54] <Blackmoore> I was quite a bit more optimistic 7 years ago. but i'm honestly not suprised.
[21:20:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> encouraging and actively working towards it
[21:21:39] <Blackmoore> see and there's the difference, you're looking for anarchy, and I'm looking for entropy. I'm all about the end game
[21:22:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> means to an end
[21:23:44] <juggs> what's the end? TMB dictatorship? :D
[21:24:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[21:26:42] <juggs> so what would you change?
[21:28:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> looooong list.
[21:28:53] <chromas> express it as a regex we can apply to /dev/random
[21:29:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> long and short of it is though, you get no restrictions on your liberties except that you not use them to infringe on the liberties of others. directly, no roundabout bullshit convoluted explanations accepted.
[21:30:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Most Surprising Things about America - http://sylnt.us - eye-of-the-beholder
[21:30:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> you also get no social programs that you get to compel others to pay for. you want em, they come out of your pocket. anyone can opt out.
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[21:38:59] <juggs> so rather than socialised healthcare, people could set up shared co-op arrangements or some such?
[22:14:08] <Blackmoore> you'd have to ban large coporations too.
[22:18:00] <swiss> internet its up at my house
[22:18:14] <swiss> i had to order another modem, this one is capping out at around 130 Mbps
[22:20:59] <juggs> what's the claimed line speed?
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[22:25:55] <ky> slashcott
[22:26:12] <ky> i have to powercycle everytime i visit that site
[22:38:23] <Blackmoore> o.O
[22:41:06] <juggs> must be a firefox user
[22:41:24] <ky> hey, it is my _religion)
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[22:41:49] <juggs> hi ky - thanks for slipping and sliding on in here! :)
[22:41:49] <ciri> hello juggs
[22:41:56] * juggs whacks ciri
[22:42:12] <meisterister> Ach, stupid irssi!
[22:43:16] <juggs> I note FF gets real laggy after visiting JS heavy sites.. no ramp up in mem or cpu usage but it becomes a dog.
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[22:45:20] <ky> i'm surprised how much junk wget pulls up with the -p flag
[22:45:27] <ky> scripts, scripts, script!
[22:45:40] <ky> and if you don't use -p, it won't render
[22:55:04] <juggs> -p ..... This option causes Wget to download all the files that are necessary to properly display a given HTML page. This includes such things as inlined images, sounds, and referenced stylesheets.
[22:55:10] <juggs> Well ya
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[23:01:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Find 'Hidden Brain Signatures' of Consciousness in Vegetative State Patients - http://sylnt.us - long-sleep
[23:01:29] <meisterister> Nice.
[23:02:23] <juggs> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[23:02:24] <NetCraft> ^ 03US government fines Intel's Wind River over crypto exports • The Register
[23:02:40] <juggs> eh? I thought the crypt export controls were dropped.
[23:02:44] <ky> cheryl teigs. nice.
[23:02:46] <juggs> years ago
[23:02:49] <meisterister> Hm.
[23:03:42] <meisterister> I will say that on some software you still have to "sign" for export control.
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[23:04:57] <meisterister> Hello!
[23:05:26] <crutchy> g'day folks
[23:05:27] <ciri> hi i'm happy today! :D crutchy
[23:05:28] <crutchy> bbl
[23:05:29] <ciri> ok see yea later crutchy
[23:05:33] <Blackmoore> howdy
[23:05:33] <ciri> hello Blackmoore
[23:05:51] <juggs> who gave ciri a lambrini?
[23:06:35] <Blackmoore> *shrug* it's mostly harmless.
[23:12:06] <juggs> I like ciri - it's the one voice in here that makes even me seem passably intelligent. :D
[23:12:29] <JamesNZ> Botlove <3
[23:13:13] <juggs> You should join # and see what tama gets up to...
[23:13:13] <ky> nothing like having a voice and an op
[23:13:43] <juggs> not sure you mean ky :/
[23:14:30] <juggs> s/y/what y/
[23:14:30] <SedBot9000> <juggs> not sure what you mean ky :/
[23:14:52] <ky> juggs, its complicated
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[23:15:19] <juggs> explain it in terms ciri would understand :)
[23:17:32] <ky> it means you are extra cool
[23:17:39] <Landon> freecell anyone? ssh into freecell@knitwithlogic.com pw freecell
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[23:19:24] <meisterister> That sounds... mildly sketchy.
[23:21:48] <meisterister> Hm... I should set up a computer for the multiplayer BSDGames.
[23:22:38] <ky> terrorist visits website, car blows up
[23:23:08] <meisterister> Alrighty then.
[23:25:17] <juggs> what you up to Landon ?
[23:25:27] <Landon> juggs: writing a freecell client
[23:25:32] <Landon> see above :)
[23:25:42] <meisterister> Nice.
[23:25:53] <juggs> lol ky would it make you feel better if I de-voiced?
[23:26:15] <ky> christ, save yourself!
[23:26:32] <juggs> bit late for him if the stories are true
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[23:30:14] <ky> i had these crazy dreams of vodka in steel bottles
[23:31:14] <crutchy> aye focker!
[23:32:31] <Ethanol-fueled> sup crutchy
[23:32:37] <Ethanol-fueled> how you doin'?
[23:33:00] <ky> so i've been doing some research isopropyl alchol is less toxic than ethanol
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[23:34:04] <Ethanol-fueled> ky: down a few shots and report back
[23:35:00] <ky> i think i got isopropanol in stolichnaya back in 2008
[23:37:56] <Ethanol-fueled> There's some ethics shit going down at work.
[23:38:31] <Ethanol-fueled> I was approached to anonymously blow the whistle with detailed information that could fuck over a relative of the president
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[23:38:58] <ky> do you want to get in deep shit?
[23:39:18] <Ethanol-fueled> ky: how would I if it couldn't be traced back to me?
[23:39:26] <ky> i don't trust anonymous
[23:39:39] <Ethanol-fueled> It would be fighting the good fight, because if nothing stops what is going on I will also eventually be fucked over.
[23:40:09] <Ethanol-fueled> There's some crookedness going on...falsification of records etc.
[23:40:15] <meisterister> Hm.
[23:40:25] <Ethanol-fueled> Since the president is involved HR is powerless to stop it.
[23:41:00] <meisterister> Would they?
[23:41:05] <Ethanol-fueled> I was approached because I have a history of winning battles against middle management and know how to "put things"
[23:41:57] <ky> what if you get killed?
[23:42:24] <Ethanol-fueled> ky: If I am killed, it will be because the Jews did it.
[23:43:06] <ky> are you nick caputo?
[23:43:21] <juggs> isopropyl alcohol in vodka can't be worse than the 80's diethylene glycol Austrian wine scandal. Made it taste sweeter and FSM knows Austrian wine needs help, but that was probably a tad too far
[23:44:08] <ky> i've come across ghb and gbl in beer
[23:44:22] <juggs> lovely
[23:44:32] <ky> and it was in 7 beers out of 12
[23:45:57] <Ethanol-fueled> who the hell is nick caputo?
[23:46:06] <ky> some dude like you
[23:46:22] <Ethanol-fueled> unh!
[23:46:47] <Ethanol-fueled> How long will it be before they start poisoning the marihuana?
[23:47:04] <Ethanol-fueled> like they tried to poison American booze during the prohibition era>?
[23:47:46] <ky> it has gmo Ethanol-fueled
[23:47:54] <ky> genes of ergot
[23:48:22] <juggs> There were rumours here in the Uk that likes of Stella Artois and Kronenbourg were deliberately increasing the concentrations of n-Butanols and n-Propanols in their lagers to increase the weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee effect that encourages faster drinking. Don't think it came to more than rumour but they sure were heady beers.
[23:48:49] <ky> stella artois made me feel funny in the jaw glands
[23:48:56] <ky> with just a sip too
[23:49:03] <ky> for a good hour
[23:49:07] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, it is a little funny.
[23:49:16] <ky> you guys are noticing these things
[23:49:21] <juggs> it's nick-named "wife beater" here.
[23:49:37] <Ethanol-fueled> where do you live, juggs, the Hamptons?
[23:49:38] <ciri> out and about!! Ethanol-fueled
[23:49:49] <juggs> UK EF
[23:49:59] <ky> i need to wget that home distilling website
[23:50:06] <Ethanol-fueled> that's a pretty classy beer for wife-beating
[23:50:09] <ky> lots on tips on avoiding methanol
[23:50:12] <Ethanol-fueled> what are some really shit british beers?
[23:50:25] <ky> shit beer: milwaukees best ice
[23:50:30] <ky> orange peels, sotolone
[23:50:34] <juggs> classy? Stella is chav juice.
[23:50:59] <Ethanol-fueled> so you have no equivalent of Budweiser? Miller? Old English "800?"
[23:52:05] <ky> shit beer: miller high life
[23:52:22] <juggs> anything brewed by Carlsberg or SAB in one of their uber factory breweries I guess.
[23:53:24] <ky> it's gvl
[23:53:41] <Ethanol-fueled> ky: Miller High-life is "The Champagne of Beers." It even says so on the label.
[23:54:48] <ky> for the price I pay?