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[00:03:28] <juggs> uch, the comments on the gamergate article are making my head hurt :D
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[00:20:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Texas Nurse Tests Positive for Ebola - http://sylnt.us - not-looking-good
[00:20:56] <chromas> when do we get a gategate scandal?
[00:21:24] <juggs> probably the next time some kid is crushed to death by an automated gate :D
[00:22:01] <chromas> gates across town were conspiring against him
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[02:28:53] <Ethanol-fueled> Everybdoy must be at church right now.
[02:29:37] <Ethanol-fueled> The idolaters call it "Mass"
[02:29:51] <Ethanol-fueled> The camel-fuckers call it "durka-durka"
[02:30:37] <Ethanol-fueled> The Jews call it more money from pre-and-post worship charity.
[02:34:11] <Leebert> I went to church this morning. Right now I'm re-wiring my living room. I would prefer church. :(
[02:34:22] <Ethanol-fueled> Leebert, which denomination?
[02:34:51] <Leebert> My church is Baptist, I'm "whatever the Bible says".
[02:34:56] <Ethanol-fueled> Ouch.
[02:35:06] <Ethanol-fueled> You're going to hell, for sure.
[02:35:16] <Konomi> ${bible_index_label[27]}
[02:35:26] <Leebert> Well. They aren't always keen on my views, that's for sure.
[02:35:58] <Leebert> Although, surprisingly, quite a few are coming around to the idea that I'm not a hell-bound heathen for not believing that the earth was created 6,000 years ago.
[02:36:12] <Leebert> SO... there's that.
[02:36:12] <Ethanol-fueled> Leebert, they all know, they just don't say.
[02:36:24] <Leebert> Could be. *shrug*
[02:36:43] <Leebert> I don't think that I've been forgiven yet for voting for my state's gay marriage amendment, though.
[02:36:51] <Ethanol-fueled> They probably just kinda roll their eyes and accept such idiocy as a price to pay for religion's benefits.
[02:37:49] <Leebert> There is indeed a very good chance that I'm an idiot.
[02:38:02] <Konomi> there's a purple elephant in my backyard that tells me my morals, I'd like some religlious protec... whoa guys why do you have that restraint jacket out come on....
[02:38:13] <Ethanol-fueled> All humans are scum.
[02:38:13] * Konomi hides
[02:38:28] <Leebert> Well, ye.s That's kind of a fundamental tenant of Christian beliefs. :)
[02:38:38] <Konomi> least they got something right?
[02:38:38] <Leebert> the scum. not the puple elephant.
[02:39:38] <Leebert> Oh, I think they got quite a bit right. It's just when they go a little too zealous and start trying to use the civil government to enforce God's laws.
[02:39:46] <Leebert> As if God weren't capable of so doing if he wanted.
[02:40:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The War Nerd Breaks Down ISIS - http://sylnt.us - viewpoint
[02:41:36] <Ethanol-fueled> THE WAR NERD!
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[02:44:33] * Konomi really wonders about EF a lot
[02:48:08] <juggs> what do you wonder?
[02:53:19] <Konomi> how much he'd torture a psychologist if he spoke to them ;p
[02:53:19] <ciri> doing great here
[02:57:36] <juggs> ha - that could be an interesting discussion for sure
[03:03:34] <Leebert> I think it's a persona he puts on for kicks.
[03:04:24] <Konomi> the kicks to time ratio makes me think otherwise
[03:05:05] <Leebert> Some people are really dedicated to their hobbies.
[03:05:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, it's a mask. nobody actually is the person they project. that's just the person they want to be seen as.
[03:05:45] <Leebert> In fact, I've been watching YouTube videos of r/c planes after watching that Hawk video.
[03:06:07] <Leebert> There are people with way too much time on their hands to pursue their hobbies.
[03:06:58] <Leebert> The people who developed the aircraft carriers to launch their R/C aircraft ... yeah.
[03:07:14] <Konomi> "nobody"
[03:07:20] <Konomi> good luck with that absolute ;p
[03:07:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't have a good generalization without an absolute
[03:08:09] <Leebert> complete with little tugboat to push the carrier into position.
[03:12:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'like calling pi 3.14. not strictly true but damned handy if you want a quick answer that's almost right.
[03:17:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> stupid linear time. see you lot in 7h, give or take.
[03:17:38] <Leebert> I really have better things to do than watching YouTube, but these guys shooting AR15's at RC planes are so compelling...
[03:18:44] <juggs> ahh - lost in the YT maze :)
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[03:20:49] <Leebert> After watching this, I believe I shall spend at least part of my Federal holiday tomorrow being a Great American<tm> and shooting at things with an AR15.
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[03:50:49] <silverly> ~queue
[03:51:47] <juggs> ~queue
[03:51:57] * juggs whacks exec
[03:52:05] <juggs> ~weather
[03:52:05] <silverly> it broke
[03:52:05] <exec> 0
[03:52:17] <juggs> 0 ? genius
[03:52:27] <juggs> ~rainbow blah
[03:52:28] <exec> 00,07b00,08l00,09a00,12h
[03:52:31] <juggs> hmm
[03:52:35] <juggs> ~queue
[03:52:37] * silverly whacks exec with wrench
[03:53:17] <silverly> ~list
[03:53:17] <exec> ~list ~list-auth ~log ~lock ~unlock
[03:53:17] <exec> ~exec-add ~exec-del ~exec-save ~startup ~suggest ~suggest-api ~title ~github-list ~verifier-nick ~funding ~github-feed ~ ~sed ~welcome ~remind ~cowsay ~moo ~fortune ~header ~header-login ~php ~join ~invite ~part ~isup ~rainbow ~queue ~uid ~up ~location ~staff ~g'day ~gday ~g'night ~gnight ~scramble rofl ~openthepodbaydoors ~cid ~count ~first ~last ~find-first ~find-last ~chart ~translate ~translate-sl ~weather ~weather-old ~weather-add ~weather-
[03:53:30] <juggs> no doubt crutchy will sort it out when he shows up
[03:53:39] <silverly> ~openthepodbaydoors
[03:53:40] <exec> Murray's Rule:
[03:53:40] <exec> Any country with "democratic" in the title isn't.
[03:53:46] <silverly> ~openthepodbaydoors
[03:53:47] <exec> O'Riordan's Theorem:
[03:53:47] <exec> Brains x Beauty = Constant.
[03:53:47] <exec> Purmal's Corollary:
[03:53:47] <exec> As the limit of (Brains x Beauty) goes to infinity,
[03:53:47] <exec> availability goes to zero.
[03:53:58] <silverly> juggs, aye
[03:54:13] <silverly> i was just reading exec's source code
[03:54:32] <juggs> have a headache yet?
[03:54:41] <silverly> haha not yet
[03:54:45] <silverly> still early in the day
[03:55:53] <silverly> i want to make my own bot from scratch
[03:55:58] <silverly> just cause
[03:56:09] <juggs> sounds like a fun exercise
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[04:21:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Refinery Mandating Switch to Newer Railcars - http://sylnt.us - I've-been-working-on-the-railroad-♩♫♪
[04:42:38] * Konomi looks around
[04:42:44] <Konomi> I should stop being lazy and finish this code
[04:42:48] <Konomi> well package it
[04:43:11] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
[04:43:11] <NetCraft> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[04:43:45] <Konomi> I actually ported it from my old python version which I plan to discard
[04:44:47] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
[04:44:47] <NetCraft> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[04:44:58] <Konomi> in case anyone is interested to see python to bash port of code ;p
[04:45:27] <Konomi> can ignore everything in the bash version until functions most of that stuff is just polish and checks
[04:45:59] <Konomi> 52 lines for the bash one 43 for the python one
[04:46:39] <Konomi> hmm I probably should've only used bc for the modulas and used bash integer math for the rest
[04:46:43] <Konomi> oh well ~
[04:46:50] <Konomi> modulus*
[04:47:52] <Konomi> someone package my stuff I am too lazy ;_;
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[04:48:36] * juggs whips Konomi into action
[04:48:41] <Konomi> ._.
[04:49:03] * juggs runs and hides.....
[04:49:40] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[04:49:41] <NetCraft> ^ 03Wehrmacht march song-Panzer Rollen in Afrika vor Lyrics - YouTube
[04:49:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Man, that is awesome.
[04:50:37] <Konomi> groan I guess I better use the inbuilt integer math instead
[04:51:05] <Ethanol-fueled> Panzer rollen in afrika VOR!
[04:52:49] <Ethanol-fueled> FART
[04:53:59] <Ethanol-fueled> RURRRRFUCK!
[04:53:59] <Konomi> $ ~/Scripts/ratiocalc.sh 1440 900
[04:54:00] <Konomi> The aspect ratio for 1440 by 900 is: 16:10
[04:54:11] <Ethanol-fueled> Phhfhfhfhfh
[04:54:21] <Konomi> $ ~/Scripts/ratiocalc.sh 1366 768
[04:54:21] <Konomi> The aspect ratio for 1366 by 768 is: 683:384
[04:54:23] <Ethanol-fueled> whore whore harea haer
[04:54:25] <Konomi> 16:9 not really
[04:55:11] <Konomi> obviously the lizard men make the 1366 by 768 screens
[04:55:36] <Ethanol-fueled> fuck you nigger
[04:55:45] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[04:55:46] <NetCraft> ^ 03Havin' a Roni - YouTube
[04:55:51] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[04:55:52] <NetCraft> ^ 03Havin' a Roni - YouTube
[04:55:53] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[04:55:53] <NetCraft> ^ 03Havin' a Roni - YouTube
[04:55:53] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[04:55:54] <NetCraft> ^ 03Havin' a Roni - YouTube
[04:55:54] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[04:55:54] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[04:55:54] <NetCraft> ^ 03Havin' a Roni - YouTube
[04:55:55] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[04:55:55] <NetCraft> ^ 03Havin' a Roni - YouTube
[04:55:55] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[04:55:55] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[04:55:55] <NetCraft> ^ 03Havin' a Roni - YouTube
[04:55:56] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[04:55:56] <NetCraft> ^ 03Havin' a Roni - YouTube
[04:55:56] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[04:55:56] <NetCraft> ^ 03Havin' a Roni - YouTube
[04:55:56] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[04:55:56] <NetCraft> ^ 03Havin' a Roni - YouTube
[04:55:57] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[04:55:57] <Ethanol-fueled> v
[04:55:57] <NetCraft> ^ 03Havin' a Roni - YouTube
[04:55:57] <Ethanol-fueled> vhttp://www.youtube.com
[04:55:57] <NetCraft> ^ 03Havin' a Roni - YouTube
[04:55:57] <Ethanol-fueled> http://www.youtube.com
[04:56:16] <juggs> .op
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[04:56:40] <Konomi> remind me
[04:56:41] <Konomi> 15:56 [SoylentNews] !irc.sylnt.us *** Message to #Soylent throttled due to flooding
[04:56:58] <Konomi> why am I the one getting throttled here ;p
[04:57:10] <juggs> bizarre
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[04:57:48] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
[04:57:48] <NetCraft> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[04:58:08] <Konomi> math expressions instead of piping to bc except for mod
[04:58:35] <juggs> ohh - probably because he came in on the web client and the flood detection detects on IP with the web client whitelisted or something. Will need to look into that.
[04:58:43] <Konomi> $((do math here is go))
[04:58:55] <Konomi> priceless ;p
[04:59:14] <ethanol-fueled> Yikes.
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[05:00:47] <Konomi> hmm
[05:00:54] <juggs> !todo flood detection, web client check
[05:00:54] <Bender> todo item 5 added
[05:00:56] <Konomi> I forgot all about putting licenses in my packages ._.
[05:01:11] <juggs> oops
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[05:03:28] <juggs> going with GPL or something else?
[05:03:46] <Konomi> maybe v3
[05:04:31] <Konomi> I thought hte license was supposed to be in CONTROL file but not sure now
[05:04:44] <juggs> wtfpl just because it makes me laugh :D
[05:05:19] <Konomi> https://www.debian.org
[05:05:20] <NetCraft> ^ 03Machine-readable debian/copyright file ( index.html )
[05:05:22] <Konomi> maybe this
[05:05:53] <Konomi> though I think this is the old debian package version
[05:06:13] <juggs> I'm hazy - but thought it went in LICENSE - seems to be where I mostly find them. But I suspect you know a damn sight more about such things than me :D
[05:06:35] <Konomi> hum I guess the file is prefered
[05:06:44] <Konomi> /usr/share/doc/coreutils/copyright
[05:07:51] * Konomi hates legal stuff
[05:08:42] <juggs> "copyright" seems consistent for all the dirs I've just looked at under /usr/share/doc/
[05:11:13] <Konomi> seems the copyright file is prefered and there is no standard field for license in the control file of a package
[05:15:57] <Konomi> hum seems checkinstall which I was using previous to do packages before I said screw it will do them myself had a field for license but it didnt go to the control file it just handle the docs
[05:18:36] <Konomi> go to the offical gnu channel ask about licenses
[05:18:43] <Konomi> pray they don't set me on fire or something
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[05:20:13] * juggs sprinkles Konomi with FSM water - fare thee well brave explorer for ye be entering the land of dragons
[05:20:51] <Konomi> basic question is going to be can you relicense your code from gplv3 to any other license if you are the only dev
[05:21:11] <Konomi> I am pretty sure you're able to from a copyright perspective but yeah...
[05:22:21] <juggs> expect a flood of "why would you want to do that?" responses :D Of course I am basing that on an entirely unfounded stereotype I have in my head. :D
[05:22:38] <Konomi> that is why I was worrying about being set on fire ;p
[05:23:08] <juggs> where is this channel? freenode?
[05:23:09] <ciri> not sure juggs
[05:23:14] <Konomi> yeah
[05:25:12] <juggs> teehee - I came to spectate. Did you ask yet?
[05:25:12] <Konomi> https://www.softwarefreedom.org
[05:25:16] <Konomi> "Practical"
[05:25:27] <Konomi> I asked if anyone was around to answer a license agreement
[05:25:29] <Konomi> nothing so far
[05:27:10] <Konomi> license question*
[05:27:14] <Konomi> got my wires crossed
[05:28:14] <juggs> will have to set up my bouncer to idle in there as I need to sleep soon /me waddles off to play with the blinken light machine
[05:28:38] <Konomi> might just neglect a license file for now and rely on implied copyright
[05:28:49] <Konomi> which I am pretty sure boils down to you wrote it you own it
[05:31:06] <juggs> I think that is the case - no license, no sharey as far as I understand it. Doesn't that mean no-one is permitted to use it? I need to go and study law.
[05:31:25] <Konomi> it'd be implied if I gave it to someone they can use it
[05:33:00] <Konomi> https://en.wikipedia.org
[05:33:01] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03Implied license
[05:33:33] <Konomi> the only license clause I really don't want it to have is the BSD one
[05:33:50] <Konomi> or the one where basically someone can grab the code and use it to make money and never share their modifications
[05:41:32] <juggs> that's gpl isn't it? I've lost track I think, but is not gpl that allows one to grab some ode, modify it and use it to make $$ without sharing modifications ~as long~ as it is not distributed. If it's distributed in the modified form then the same gpl has to be applied. I may be mistaken or confusing gpl2 with 3 :/
[05:41:43] <juggs> code*
[05:42:05] <Konomi> yeah but gplv3 is more strict and I'd like to use it but I want to make sure I don't fall into any gottchas
[05:48:11] <juggs> best to be sure :)
[05:56:19] <ar> https://github.com
[05:56:40] <ar> why would you really want to use gpl, especially v3?
[05:57:25] <ar> it's about as bad as making things proprietary
[05:57:38] <ar> because, for many purposes, it effectively is
[06:00:57] <ar> i'm fine with people making use of my code without any restrictions, even if they never contribute back. i feel like it helps actually making the world a better place.
[06:01:08] <ar> you know, „Sharing is caring” and all that
[06:01:54] <ar> in other news, some nuthead patented a long-incubating ebola
[06:02:01] <ar> http://www.google.com
[06:07:40] <ar> and speaking of „sharing is caring”, about 1.5years ago there was some copyright/whatever conference in warsaw. myself and two other guys from our local hackerspace volunteered to provide internets and set up network for the conference. one of the guests was Eben Moglen (the "not-disconnected-from-reality-version-of-RMS" guy) and there were some people from ZAiKS (our local RIAA) invited. the story is, initially the wifi password was "SharingIsCaring", ...
[06:07:46] <ar> ... but the ZAiKS people claimed that wifi doesn't work, until we changed wifi passwords
[06:07:47] <juggs> that reads like a patent for a vaccine
[06:12:39] <juggs> they were probably sharing it wrong (the password that is)
[06:21:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cosmic Ray Detection on Smartphones - http://sylnt.us - rays-man-rays
[06:23:26] <juggs> .deop
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[06:27:46] * juggs toddles off to the land of hallucinations again
[06:30:23] <ar> http://sylnt.us sounds fun, but i think that the phone cameras are a wee bit too noisy
[06:30:24] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN article 03 Cosmic Ray Detection on Smartphones 04(0 comments) ( http://soylentnews.org )
[06:30:43] <crutchy> ~queue
[06:33:25] <crutchy> coffee++
[06:33:25] <Bender> karma - coffee: 944
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[06:59:26] <crutchy> ~time chicago
[06:59:27] <exec> Monday, 13 October 2014 @ 1:59 am CDT - Chicago, IL
[07:02:14] <arti> ~time crutchy
[07:02:15] <exec> Monday, 13 October 2014 @ 6:02 pm GMT+11 - Traralgon VIC, Australia
[07:05:06] <chromas> ~queue
[07:05:09] <chromas> ~cue
[07:05:16] <chromas> changes--
[07:05:16] <Bender> karma - changes: -1
[07:14:07] <crutchy> i've got the script open in gedit. was eating dinner first
[07:14:13] <crutchy> priorities++
[07:14:13] <Bender> karma - priorities: 1
[07:14:35] <crutchy> just gotta work out different text extract delimiters
[07:16:30] <crutchy> ~queue
[07:16:34] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 16 - http://sylnt.us
[07:18:30] <chromas> api++ when it comes
[07:18:30] <Bender> karma - api: 1
[07:47:44] <crutchy> when it comes its gunna splodge all over everything
[07:49:12] * crutchy doesn't mind json. dunno if it would have worked for buckets, but for web apis it seems good
[08:10:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Seven Americans Removed from No-Fly List after Years of Effort - http://sylnt.us - our-government-at-work
[09:04:03] <chromas> walnuts--
[09:04:03] <Bender> karma - walnuts: -1
[09:04:07] <chromas> pecans++
[09:04:07] <Bender> karma - pecans: 1
[09:22:27] <crutchy> coffee++
[09:22:27] <Bender> karma - coffee: 945
[09:35:16] <ar> coffee--
[09:35:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 944
[09:35:18] <ar> tea++
[09:35:18] <Bender> karma - tea: 77
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[10:02:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:02:30] <Bender> karma - coffee: 945
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[10:34:58] <chromas> There's still time to get frist psot on that last article
[10:35:29] * chromas notices almost nobody does that here
[10:36:46] <crutchy> better make it about systemd... its the only way to be sure
[10:37:07] <crutchy> systemd-flavored frosty piss
[10:42:56] <chromas> pissctl stay frosty
[10:48:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, good one
[11:08:43] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:08:43] <Bender> karma - coffee: 946
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[11:36:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:36:56] <Bender> karma - coffee: 947
[11:37:40] <crutchy> ok yeah that star wars thing is pretty funny
[11:50:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> didn't look, made a fix for people stacking up a berzillion diacritic marks on something and making it silly tall.
[11:50:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> now if you put more than four on any character they just all get stripped.
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[13:29:48] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: \p{Mn} or \p{Non_Spacing_Mark}: a character intended to be combined with another character without taking up extra space (e.g. accents, umlauts, etc.).
[13:30:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, zactly
[13:30:56] <paulej72> but that is not what you have in the code: \p{NonspacingMark}
[13:31:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> odd, works fine
[13:31:45] <paulej72> can’t find where that is allowed
[13:32:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> can add to it and switch it if it's been deprecated or something but apparently it's not removed yet.
[13:34:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess we can just use Mn since it appears constant across all man versions of perlunicode
[13:35:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> working on adding warnings to the preview only of subs right now.
[13:36:35] <crutchy> 'night #soylent
[13:37:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, appears it's gone through a LOT of different long names but Mn is constant
[13:38:01] <paulej72> OK
[13:38:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> will just roll that fix into the preview work
[13:39:28] <paulej72> If you commit the fix to your diacritics branch it will still show up in the pull request.
[13:40:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg, six of one half a dozen of the other to me but okey doke.
[13:42:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to test real quick
[13:45:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, should be up
[13:45:24] <paulej72> merged
[13:46:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> speaking of. there are two separate previews when you go to edit a sub, first one is on the page where you add the dept and hit preview, second is when you get the beigeish box and get the Save option
[13:47:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> do we need it displayed in both or do we want the second one WYSIWYG
[13:50:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, http://tmbvm.ddns.net for the first page, hit preview for 2nd
[13:50:27] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN (TMB dev) Submission by The Mighty Buzzard mailto:slashNO@SPAMlocalhost 03unicode in a url
[13:53:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> is a design decision that i really have no opinion on and i could see working either way.
[13:54:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess i could ask an editor
[13:56:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> Landon, Azrael, mattie_p ping
[13:57:08] <TK> Anyone have recommendations for a pdf viewer?
[13:57:17] <TK> Foxit just pissed me off for the last time
[13:57:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> nix or ms?
[13:58:28] <TK> ms
[13:58:55] <TK> I'm trying out sumatra at the moment
[13:59:04] <TK> seems pretty straightforward
[13:59:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, not really. used foxit for forever on ms.
[13:59:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> could always use the ebook viewer that comes with calibre i spose
[13:59:42] <TK> Does that work with forms?
[13:59:55] <TK> or form fields, or whatever they're called
[14:00:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> doubt it
[14:00:52] <TK> oh well, I'll keep a backup program on hand for that rare occurence
[14:01:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> apparently there's a windows version of evince though. could try that.
[14:03:03] <TK> I will do that
[14:03:14] <TK> I like a little bit of flair with my readers
[14:10:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> i like not reading pfds myself. they am teh suq.
[14:16:30] <TK> Most of the tech specs and vendor quotes I get are in pdfs
[14:16:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, it's insanity
[14:16:58] <TK> Better than .doc
[14:17:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> worse than .txt
[14:17:46] <TK> People like to use their own letterhead
[14:17:59] <TK> and ASCII letterheads are out of style
[14:18:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> more's the pity
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[14:20:26] <Popeidol> ascii letterheads will never go out of style.
[14:26:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> non-binary document formats will never go out of style
[14:29:08] <Konomi> TK: sec will look up the one I used to use before I went for freeeeeddoooommmmm
[14:29:32] <Konomi> TK: http://blog.kowalczyk.info
[14:29:35] <Konomi> I ended up on this one
[14:29:45] <Konomi> single window opens PDFs
[14:29:46] <Konomi> the end
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[14:32:20] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: the second page is the editStory sub in admin.pl it should be shown there as it is the primary one that the eds use to workin on the stories.
[14:32:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> figured something like that so i went ahead n added it. bout to pull request.
[14:33:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> they'll need an email sent out to let them know what the extra link info text is not actually going to show up in the story.
[14:34:14] <paulej72> does it just sow in the preview
[14:34:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah
[14:36:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> shows for non-unicode links as well unfortunately: http://tmbvm.ddns.net
[14:36:07] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN (TMB dev) article 03 unicode in a url 04(0 comments)
[14:36:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> blah, wrong link
[14:36:29] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I see a tofu after your warning message, what char is that susposed to be?
[14:36:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> or fine link but hit Edit
[14:37:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, that's supposed to be pop-bidi-direction
[14:37:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> it should not show up, it's an invisible character
[14:38:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> tells the bidi algorithm to go back to normal direction after i forced ltr for displaying the domain name.
[14:40:27] <paulej72> Well I am seeing it on Safri for Mac.
[14:41:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's showing in chrome too. guess they aren't interested in properly rendering unicode.
[14:41:50] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: what are you thoughts on maing this part of the stories fully, with the user switch to disable it like they have for comments?
[14:42:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> wouldn't be terribly hard, it's already part of the dispStory;misc;default template that displays all the stories anyway
[14:43:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly setting up a user var, adding a setting to the preferences page, writing the logic in to set the user var from there, and adding an elsif in dispStory
[14:44:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> would take a while relative to what it took to do this but not like several days or anything.
[14:44:35] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: the user var is already there, just use the one from comments
[14:44:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya?
[14:45:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> thought that was just normal behavior. handy.
[14:47:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd personally not do it using the same variable if it were entirely up to me. it would be a forced change in the UI that people will end up bitching about.
[14:47:30] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: the comments prefes almost at the bottom
[14:47:40] <TK> Konomi: I'm going to keep that one around, but I really need something with tabs
[14:47:50] <Konomi> dk if it has them
[14:47:51] <Konomi> might have
[14:47:58] <Konomi> I haven'tused it in ages you're going to have to try it
[14:48:03] <TK> not by default, it seems
[14:48:10] <TK> I've got it open now
[14:48:30] <Konomi> I can't really help much past poiting it out
[14:48:36] <Konomi> I haven't used it in a few years now
[14:48:41] <Konomi> since I switched to linux
[14:49:08] <paulej72> the var is called domaintags and it seems to be comments independent.
[14:49:34] <TK> It also seems like the gnome ftp server is down, so I'll have to grab evince on *shudder* cnet.
[14:50:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> my thinking is there are going to be a subset of users who have it set to always and are used to that setting meaning always show in comments and never show in stories.
[14:50:45] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: we could set a new var that allows us to change the mode site wide (always off: 0, always on: 1, use user setting in domaintags: 2)
[14:50:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> and they will be cheesed off if always suddenly means something different.
[14:51:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> we could but i think... wait domain tags is... what kind of data in the variable?
[14:52:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause we could just add "always + stories"
[14:52:19] <paulej72> could
[14:52:27] <paulej72> it would be option 3
[14:52:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[14:53:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> that sounds like our best option really. leaves it entirely in the users' hands.
[14:54:22] <Konomi> for the users
[14:54:23] * Konomi hides
[14:56:08] <paulej72> need to probably have a 3 and 4, as one would be for reccomended only and one for always. tiwh both comments and stories set. We should also overide on admin.pl page just incase (alwasys on)
[14:56:39] <paulej72> wonder what the diffenece is between reocmmended only and always.
[14:56:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> beats the everlovin hell out of me
[14:56:59] <Konomi> so out of curiousity
[14:57:08] <Konomi> does the slashdot code base make jesus cry?
[14:57:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> but yeah re admin.pl. was going to add user display as an elsif
[14:57:16] <Konomi> slashcode*
[14:57:17] <Konomi> etc
[14:57:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, not really once you learn your way around it and make intimate friends with grep
[14:57:53] <Konomi> I'll go with a maybe then
[14:58:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> starting out on it, absolutely. after you learn their particular brand of insanity though, it's nothin special.
[14:59:01] <Konomi> I'll stick with my own abstractions of reality aka insanity I think ~
[14:59:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[15:00:50] <Konomi> urk 559 lines to rework I don't wanna -.-
[15:01:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> i started out pullin my hair out and kicking things then asking pj "where's the fucking logic for this at". week or three later i was like "meh".
[15:04:16] <Konomi> my luck my most complex script is one of my earliest so going to suck to clean it up
[15:05:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> 559 isn't too bad really unless most every line needs something done to it.
[15:05:07] <Konomi> oh it will
[15:05:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> bummer
[15:05:18] <Konomi> it's all one single blob of code in a while loop
[15:05:30] <Konomi> there's maybe two functions
[15:05:49] <Konomi> rest is all just one large single block in the while loop
[15:05:55] <Konomi> with a ton of nested conditions -.-
[15:06:47] <paulej72> sub parseDomainTags
[15:07:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothin wrong with that necessarily though breaking some of that out into functions to shorten up the loop wouldn't suck.
[15:07:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, what about it?
[15:07:31] <Konomi> it's a mess I need to refactor all the messaging too
[15:07:47] <paulej72> that is where the magic of domaintags var is done
[15:07:47] <Konomi> so it'll need cleaning up plus rewrites to large sections
[15:07:49] <Konomi> I'm dreading it
[15:08:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, yeah, pulls it out of the </a domain tag blah stuff here>
[15:08:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> Konomi, eh, just do it a bit of logic at a time. nobody saying you gotta do it all at once.
[15:09:25] <Konomi> I'd have to make a copy of it it's in constant active use
[15:09:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[15:09:37] <Konomi> it's basically a complex script that tells boinc client when it can run
[15:09:45] <Konomi> processes tempretures weather all monitoredd
[15:11:10] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
[15:11:10] <NetCraft> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[15:11:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, i was thinking put the logic to display it or not in dispStory;misc;default
[15:11:14] <Konomi> a "small" section ._.
[15:11:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[15:12:21] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: what ever logic we change with the domaintags var we need to fix the parseDominaTags to handle the differences.
[15:14:17] <paulej72> Konomi
[15:14:24] <Konomi> mew?
[15:14:35] <paulej72> Konomi: are yuo using version control software?
[15:14:44] * Konomi shakes her head
[15:14:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> git might be your friend here
[15:15:07] <paulej72> yes
[15:15:19] <Konomi> I'm currently packaging all relevant code into debina packages and planning to repackage them everytime I change the code
[15:15:59] <Konomi> all code and configurations will eventually be in packages
[15:16:05] <paulej72> still git will allow you to keep track of all the changes you make internally between builds
[15:16:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> version control plus remote backup to github can be very handy if you bugger something up.
[15:16:24] <Konomi> I've never broken things
[15:16:30] <Konomi> done them poorly plenty of times though
[15:16:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> give it time. i break things spectacularly sometimes
[15:17:02] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
[15:17:02] <NetCraft> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[15:17:10] <Konomi> latest work ported from perl to python to bash
[15:17:35] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[15:17:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> that is a very confusing chain of wackiness
[15:18:24] <Konomi> going between languages finds subtleties
[15:19:02] <Konomi> for instance the gcd algo falls over on decimals by it's very nature I didn't realise this until bash when i left out the checks I now understand how the algo works more than i did when it was in python
[15:20:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, gonna cancel the latest pull request for this and monkey with it some more tomorrow.
[15:20:33] <paulej72> sure
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[17:25:24] <Tachyon> kim jong un dead?
[17:25:37] <Tachyon> they say he died in ukraine
[17:25:40] <Tachyon> pretty weird
[17:25:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> do huh?
[17:29:47] <juggs> who is claiming that Tachyon? He's not been seen for a while, but that wouldn't be the 1st time.
[17:29:58] <Tachyon> juggs: sorry
[17:30:07] <Tachyon> it is a news on czech server
[17:30:13] <Tachyon> which is usually serious
[17:30:19] <Tachyon> but today it turned into infobaden
[17:31:05] <juggs> I just can't imagine why he'd be in ukraine - stranger things have happened though :D
[17:33:55] <Tachyon> exactly
[17:34:05] <Tachyon> i couldn't believe my eyes :)
[17:34:08] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: when you get a chance do a reload of slash on your VM. I changed the site name and slogan so it would not look like dev anymore.
[17:34:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> i figured he'd just left for the career he really wanted, elvis impersonator in vegas.
[17:36:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, that's gonna suck cause mine's a bit modded off standard. will get to it after i finish up that domain tags work though.
[17:37:24] <paulej72> just needs apache and slash restarted
[17:37:53] <paulej72> not a deploy
[17:37:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, you mean you logged in to mine and made mods? you cheeky monkey, you.
[17:38:19] <paulej72> yes that is what you get for copying the dev db :)
[17:38:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> bouncing then
[17:39:10] <paulej72> that is better thanks
[17:40:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd been telling them apart by using different themes on each one. makes it so i can have just the favicon with no text on the bookmark bar and still tell which is which.
[17:41:42] <paulej72> Well I have the same theme on all of them and Safari does not use favicons in the tabs so I need to look at the site name in the title
[17:42:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> brutal. long live pale moon!
[18:02:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> feeling the food-nap time.
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[22:22:43] <Leebert> So things are about to get serious on Ebola now, I think. The worst imaginable has happened: It's now affecting attractive white girls.
[23:03:26] * TheMightyBuzzard sneaks some flamebait into the subs
[23:04:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> "California’s most productive fisheries? Offshore oil rigs"
[23:04:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> There's no possible way that doesn't end in flames.
[23:07:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> But hey, it's not a systemd flamewar, so no complaining.
[23:07:44] <juggs> Surely it must be possible to bring around to that some how
[23:15:46] <paulej72> Leebert: dumbass attractive white girls that do not know how to take off contaminated protective gear without getting infected
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[23:29:09] <SpallsHurgenson> <gives the Internet a poke>
[23:29:21] * JamesNZ regales SpallsHurgenson with a generic knock-knock joke
[23:30:04] <SpallsHurgenson> hahahah! "Orange you glad?" Oh golly, that's a good one, Internet!
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[23:35:29] <Leebert> paulej72: Mistakes happen.
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