#Soylent | Logs for 2014-10-10
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[00:00:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Sapphire Maker Declares Bankruptcy - http://sylnt.us - buddy-can-you-spare-me-a-dime?
[00:00:59] <chromas> well duh, they gave away all their jewels
[00:01:38] <chromas> or did they mean moral bankruptcy?
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[01:17:07] <juggs> did the salsa cure things?
[01:26:06] <chromas> it made them tastier
[01:26:12] <chromas> also made meatballs
[01:26:21] <juggs> then all is good with the world :)
[01:30:38] <chromas> just ran idle3ctl on both the wd disks; says timer's disabled
[01:32:30] <juggs> explains why your count is low rather than in the hundreds of thousands :D Shame it appears to be dying after only 18 months powered up :(
[01:36:21] <chromas> probably what I get for running it in softraid
[01:36:33] <chromas> Need to get the spendy disks
[01:39:35] <juggs> what's the warranty on those blues - just a year?
[01:40:12] <chromas> no idea
[01:40:26] <chromas> I know it's shameful but I've never really looked at that
[01:40:39] <chromas> Not had hdds die before, though
[01:43:49] <chromas> One thing I know for sure is I forgot to put the onion/pepper mix into the meatballs :'(
[01:43:59] <chromas> sudo systemctl restart brain
[01:44:32] <juggs> I've had a good run with WD (touching wood) the last 8 years or so. Had a Seagate poop out on me before that thanks to a firmware bug that stopped it initialising (come counter overflow). That was ~fun~ to recover - fiddly hackery to fool the f/ware into life.
[01:45:16] * chromas was told touching wood in public was a no-no
[01:45:38] <juggs> ho ho ho
[01:46:29] <pbnjoe> Merrrrry Chromas
[01:47:24] <juggs> :D
[01:47:44] <juggs> right I'm off for a kip. Don't burn the place down.
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[02:20:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pale Moon 25 Will Release Friday with Major Changes - http://sylnt.us - soon-out-of-eclipse
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[03:19:47] <SirFinkus> oh boy, we talking hard drive failures?
[03:19:54] <SirFinkus> I've got stories
[03:20:22] <SirFinkus> I had a seagate's logic board explode on me
[03:20:47] <chromas> Growing up, I always heard seagates were teh s uck
[03:20:57] <chromas> but I guess they've all taken turns
[03:21:13] <SirFinkus> I don't worry about which brand much anymore
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[03:27:11] <chromas> maybe we need an Ask Soylent. "What are your HDD failure stories?"
[03:27:18] <chromas> It's a question, though, so the answer is "no"
[03:37:56] <SirFinkus> in my totally negligible sampling, seagates have been better
[03:38:04] <SirFinkus> but the sample size here is like, 10
[04:01:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Novelist Looses Teaching Offer over Declining Invasive Background Check - http://sylnt.us - freedom-means-No
[04:02:11] <chromas> Bender: s/s/ns/5
[04:02:11] <SedBot9000> <chromas> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Novelist Looses Teaching Offer over Declining Invansive Background Check - http://sylnt.us - freedom-means-No
[04:02:28] <chromas> off_by_one--
[04:02:28] <Bender> karma - off_by_one: -1
[04:10:33] <SoyGuest30844> *Loses
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[06:05:52] <crutchy> coffee++
[06:05:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 928
[06:06:57] <Konomi> caffeine++
[06:06:57] <Bender> karma - caffeine: 23
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[06:37:55] <chromas> aha! http://news.dice.com
[06:38:16] <crutchy> php?
[06:38:50] <chromas> nope
[06:39:00] <chromas> but perl's first thing on the list. no wonder they killed slashdot
[06:40:47] <Konomi> wow I got a spam email to increase my bust size
[06:41:01] <Konomi> nice catching up there internet only took you 8 years
[06:41:08] <chromas> 8?
[06:41:24] <Konomi> chromas: I've been getting penis enlargement spam email since forever
[06:41:27] <chromas> I think size incresing mails have been longer than that
[06:41:33] <Konomi> this is the first one I've got from increasing my boob size
[06:42:00] * chromas would like to increase his bust size
[06:42:13] <crutchy> manboobs++
[06:42:13] <Bender> karma - manboobs: 1
[06:42:31] * Konomi gets the silicone implants
[06:42:38] <chromas> implants--
[06:42:38] <Bender> karma - implants: -3
[06:42:46] <chromas> Need some fat rolls over here
[06:43:15] * chromas heads down to the local walmart with a scalpel and plastic bag
[06:43:58] <Konomi> told my partner about the emails
[06:44:07] <Konomi> her responce was "at least they're branching out"
[07:40:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Where have you been? - http://sylnt.us - the-Shadow-knows
[07:51:34] <crutchy> coffee++
[07:51:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 929
[07:56:32] <juggs> tea++
[07:56:32] <Bender> karma - tea: 70
[07:57:03] <crutchy> hi juggs
[07:57:05] <crutchy> ~time
[07:57:06] <exec> Friday, 10 October 2014 @ 6:57 pm GMT+11 - Traralgon VIC, Australia
[07:57:12] <crutchy> weekend++
[07:57:12] <Bender> karma - weekend: 7
[07:57:28] <juggs> 8:57AM For for me :(
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[08:01:20] <juggs> anything planned for the w/e crutchy?
[08:01:54] <crutchy> hopefully not much
[08:01:57] <crutchy> you?
[08:02:07] <juggs> likewise
[08:02:13] <crutchy> :)
[08:02:24] <crutchy> long day today :/
[08:03:28] <juggs> still working?
[08:04:17] <crutchy> nah. finished now
[08:48:46] <Konomi> http://media.boingboing.net
[09:04:34] <juggs> thanks for that! :/
[09:06:36] <crutchy> Konomi, you look different than what i imagined
[09:08:00] <Konomi> wish that was my grandpa
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[10:01:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Review of the $35 Cloud FX Smartphone Running Firefox OS - http://sylnt.us - tell-us-how-you-really-feel
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[10:06:31] <SoyCow7614> good morning
[10:07:45] <SoyCow7614> looks like the party is elsewhere...
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[10:09:07] <ar> https://plus.google.com
[10:09:08] <NetCraft> ^ 03Moved Temporarily ( https://plus.google.com )
[10:09:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:09:22] <Bender> karma - coffee: 930
[10:10:06] <ar> coffee--
[10:10:06] <Bender> karma - coffee: 929
[10:10:08] <ar> tea++
[10:10:08] <Bender> karma - tea: 71
[10:10:13] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:10:13] <Bender> karma - coffee: 930
[10:10:43] <crutchy> my bot went buggo
[10:11:25] <crutchy> even little scheduled scripts were timing out for some reason
[10:11:44] <crutchy> bah
[10:12:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> what'd ya do to it?
[10:12:40] <crutchy> dunno, but i swear it told me it was 18
[10:13:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair nuff
[10:16:47] <crutchy> lol "Will systemd fit on a CD-ROM or am I going to need to install from DVD?"
[10:16:48] <ciri> lol damn!
[10:19:45] <ar> coffee--
[10:19:45] <Bender> karma - coffee: 929
[10:20:01] <ar> tea++
[10:20:01] <Bender> karma - tea: 72
[10:42:48] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders
[10:43:16] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:43:16] <Bender> karma - coffee: 930
[10:47:30] * chromas ponders as well. Why do some writeable optical discs smell like celery?
[10:54:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have no idea but i'm juuuuust about done making us happy with international domain names and utf8 in links
[10:55:05] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard++
[10:55:05] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 88
[10:55:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> clears like four issues i put up so makes me happy
[10:56:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> also found a bunch of places besdies links that were not IDN friendly cause they used $uri->as_string rather than $uri->as_iri
[10:56:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> and host rather than ihost
[11:01:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'm done, need bytram to come along and see if he can break it now.
[11:02:20] <crutchy> breakctl --gronard --pkg=slashcode
[11:03:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, he's even better at breaking things than that
[11:04:14] <crutchy> i'm working on a github feed in #github
[11:04:29] <crutchy> gunna put a few repos in
[11:09:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> handy, got exec or whatever you renamed it back working again then?
[11:09:45] <crutchy> yup. didn't break it. just restarted
[11:11:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> Chaos reigns within
[11:11:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> Reflect, repent and reboot
[11:11:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> Order shall return
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[11:13:37] <crutchy> very basic atm: https://github.com
[11:13:48] <crutchy> needs moar sexy
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[11:17:04] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[11:17:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> should prolly add paulej72 to that
[11:18:09] <crutchy> hmm good thinking
[11:18:18] <crutchy> and midnight commander
[11:18:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> who i just realized i pinged ad ungodly oclock in the am
[11:21:14] <crutchy> added
[11:31:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Long Term Effects of Doping and the Case of Justin Gatlin - http://sylnt.us - of-mice-and-men-and-meds
[11:32:22] <juggs> looks like you've been busy TMB :D
[11:32:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> whas that?
[11:33:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh the feed? yeah. bunch of minor commits cause i buggered up something in the previous one. bout to make a pretty big one though, relatively.
[11:34:05] <crutchy> feed?
[11:34:31] <juggs> rather you than me fixing up that stuff up
[11:34:51] <juggs> the only way is UP! apparently :D
[11:35:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> the hell is someone doing trying to hack my vm?
[11:36:17] <juggs> ha - not me!
[11:36:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya din figure. it's runnin on port 80 so crawlers prolly just happened by
[11:37:33] <juggs> probably a crutchy-bot molesting it or something
[11:37:58] * crutchy doesn't even know what you guys are talkin aboot :p
[11:38:14] <crutchy> hackin vm's or something
[11:38:36] <juggs> something like that :)
[11:38:59] <juggs> though I'm mainly blithering inane nonsense as usual
[11:39:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh someone tried an exploit on my vm's webserver that i saw while checking the log for some debugging info.
[11:41:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Novelist Loses Teaching Offer over Declining Invasive Background Check - http://sylnt.us - freedom-means-No
[11:41:55] <crutchy> i've only had 12 attempts on mine. mostly looking for open proxies
[11:42:21] <crutchy> dunno wtf this is:
[11:42:22] <crutchy> 66.64.113.190 - - [10/Oct/2014:11:05:14 +1100] "\x80w\x01\x03\x01" 403 202 "-" "-"
[11:42:53] <crutchy> sorry 12 attempts today
[11:42:55] <crutchy> :p
[11:43:30] <crutchy> seems to be a lot of people trying to proxy to http://www.baidu.com
[11:43:31] <NetCraft> ^ 03百度一下，你就知道
[11:44:10] <juggs> chinese social network isn't it baidu?
[11:44:18] <crutchy> yeah i guess
[11:44:33] <juggs> http://serverfault.com
[11:45:03] <juggs> https request to an http server apparently
[11:45:44] <crutchy> weird
[11:49:45] <Konomi> you think if we plotted the volume level at which people talk to thier IQ
[11:49:58] <Konomi> we would on average find that the louder someone spoke the lower their IQ is?
[11:51:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> or the worse their hearing
[11:51:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Leased Lines could Secure Corporate Networks - http://sylnt.us - do-you-feel-lucky-punk?
[11:51:20] <crutchy> can't do that. everyone on youtube would be called out as the retards they are
[11:51:35] * juggs whispers good point
[11:52:14] <Konomi> crutchy: https://security.stackexchange.com
[11:52:17] <Konomi> if you were wondering
[11:52:22] <Konomi> ssl handshake
[11:53:13] <crutchy> heh. that's funny cos the very next line has:
[11:53:15] <crutchy> 66.64.113.190 - - [10/Oct/2014:11:05:14 +1100] "GET /HNAP1/ HTTP/1.1" 403 428 "http://119.18.0.66/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.1) Gecko/2008092215 Firefox/3.0.1 Orca/1.1 beta 3"
[11:53:16] <NetCraft> ^ 03403 Forbidden
[11:53:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> stoopid bloody logic
[11:53:58] <juggs> what broke now?
[11:54:21] <crutchy> tmb's vm is now a botnet control hub
[11:54:40] <juggs> hehe - let's have some fun then
[11:55:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh monkeying with an edge case where someone might throw percent encoding in a link where it doesn't belong.
[11:55:37] <crutchy> who would do such a thing¿
[11:55:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> bytram
[11:56:17] <crutchy> what about hex?
[11:57:03] <crutchy> or can't use \xBLAH in URLs?
[11:57:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> just make a bad link
[11:57:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is fine.
[11:58:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> using a pair of hex codes to insert a zero width joiner is however not
[11:59:57] <juggs> those pesky joiners that hide by standing side on to you! definitely wouldn't want them :)
[12:08:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> google.com vs go*ogle.com where * = a zero-width joiner. both look exactly the same to the naked eye but would resolve differently
[12:09:26] <juggs> crafty
[12:10:00] * crutchy needs to look at tmb's repo events to find out how branches are handled
[12:11:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> make a branch before you work on something, do a pull request when that branch is done. rebase vs master as necessary if pj commits something to a file you're working on.
[12:12:04] <crutchy> wholly carp. lot of commits before push
[12:13:00] <crutchy> yeah i'm planning to get into the git-flow branching methodology at work... if i can find a few minutes to scratch my arse
[12:13:28] <crutchy> can't justify dev work on my timesheet cos we're busy atm
[12:15:15] <crutchy> feed is a bit fugly, but it reports branch and outputs commit author and message on separate lines
[12:15:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly i try and keep it to one or two commits. it just rarely works out that way.
[12:16:06] <crutchy> most of mine are single, cos i use my git alias to cheat
[12:18:57] <crutchy> s/most/all/
[12:18:57] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> all of mine are single, cos i use my git alias to cheat
[12:19:19] <crutchy> single_dev++
[12:19:19] <Bender> karma - single_dev: 1
[12:19:33] <crutchy> small_project++ # :p
[12:19:33] <Bender> karma - small_project: 1
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[12:31:14] <paulej72> morning all
[12:31:35] <weeds> Good Morning
[12:31:36] <juggs> o/ paulej72
[12:34:49] * crutchy salutes
[12:38:54] * weeds returns salute
[12:40:38] * paulej72 returns a SpaceBalls salute
[12:42:33] <crutchy> json_encoding++
[12:42:33] <Bender> karma - json_encoding: 1
[12:43:05] <crutchy> more human readable than php's serializing
[12:44:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, paulej72
[12:48:40] <weeds> Ha! http://www.youtube.com
[12:48:41] <NetCraft> ^ 03Spaceballs - Salute - YouTube
[12:54:54] <crutchy> weeds, why stop there
[12:54:55] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[12:54:56] <NetCraft> ^ 03Spaceballs - YouTube
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[13:13:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> one more go through of this before i pull request. lot of changes for such a seemingly simple fix.
[13:13:37] <crutchy> a test for my little scripty
[13:16:04] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I was looking at the mechanism for hiding the end of long comments. I found where the code is that crates the link and where the var is set that truns that link on, but I could not for the life of me find the code that actually shortens the comment.
[13:16:23] <paulej72> It is magic of some sort
[13:17:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> point me at it after i get this pull request in and i'll give a look
[13:17:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> of course you know that'll mean i spend thirty seconds looking at it and point out it was right under your nose but hey.
[13:18:06] <paulej72> https://github.com
[13:18:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> always happens that way on a good day
[13:18:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> on a bad day nobody ever bloody finds it
[13:18:46] <paulej72> https://github.com
[13:22:05] <paulej72> the dispComment sub sets the comment_shrunk var and then passes the var and the comment off to the dispComment template whcih seems to only display the comment as given and the Read more link if the comment_shrunk var is set. I can find nothing in the code where the actual comment text is shrunk
[13:22:48] <paulej72> I am thinking that the orginal call to the DB must be doing something
[13:31:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> gimme a sec, just about done with final cleanup
[13:31:47] <paulej72> no hurry
[13:34:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> and done. rollin a smoke then on it.
[13:40:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Sleeping through a Trip to Mars - http://sylnt.us - wake-me-when-we-get-there
[13:41:12] <crutchy> seems to work
[13:41:14] <crutchy> <exec> push to https://github.com @ 13:23:59 by TheMightyBuzzard
[13:41:14] <crutchy> <exec> refs/heads/IDN
[13:41:14] <crutchy> <exec> TheMightyBuzzard: Slight logic flaw.
[13:41:14] <NetCraft> ^ 03TheMightyBuzzard/slashcode · GitHub
[13:41:52] <crutchy> there was another one too
[13:42:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> should see if you can watch pull requests instead of commits. save some headaches.
[13:42:54] <weeds> crutchy: "The video is not available in your country"
[13:44:57] * TheMightyBuzzard picks at the comments code a bit
[13:46:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, what are we looking to do here by the way?
[13:48:42] <paulej72> I want to fuzzy up the split logic so if a comment is only a few bytes past the cutoff, just display it as normal, but if really long split as it is now. I am trying to fix the issue where the read more link is gven and you click on it to find only a line or less in the rest of the comment
[13:54:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh, gotcha
[13:59:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> having a hell of a time finding what you're looking for, so it's not just you
[14:03:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, same file line 2505+
[14:03:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> comment text ends up going by $check_prefix
[14:05:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> might be it anyway, not sure
[14:06:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> no that just validates. doesn't do anything with the comment and only returns 1 or 0
[14:18:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, damned if i can find where bytelimit is ever read from users_param except to set it
[14:19:33] <paulej72> bylimit seems to be for the whole comment page not an indvidual comment.
[14:19:55] <paulej72> the var is default_maxcommentsize
[14:20:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> or options->{maxcommentsize} yeah.
[14:21:19] <paulej72> I am not sure that option is even set
[14:22:35] <paulej72> Slash/DB/MySQL/MySQL.pm:6388: my $max_len = $constants->{default_maxcommentsize};
[14:23:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> checked the getCommentTextCached sub in MySQL.pm line 6373?
[14:23:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> man if yer gonna be right where i'm lookin ima start at the bottom of the grep lists instead of the top
[14:29:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, chopEntity is your huckleberry. it's in Data.pm
[14:29:56] <paulej72> thanks
[14:30:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd tell ya what line but i made a lot of mods to Data.pm in that pull request.
[14:31:53] <paulej72> where did it called from for comments
[14:32:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like it comes once from getCommentTextCached but not sure that's the only place.
[14:33:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, i think it may be. have to read through getCommentTextCached but that may be the sub that gets our comment text every time.
[14:39:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> i do not envy you this bug and you might want to merge that pull request and do a pull yourself first or there's gonna be an ugly merge in our future.
[14:44:20] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: i don’t plan on changing the chopEntity sub, just changing the number that gets sent to it. 90% of default_maxcommentsize
[14:44:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[14:49:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, baby, four bugs from one pull request.
[14:52:22] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: does the [domain] show up in stories when editing. I am faiiry sure they do not, but should now so that editors know a link might be click bait
[15:01:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Three Experimental Ebola Drugs and a Vaccine - http://sylnt.us
[15:04:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, no it doesn't but it shouldn't be difficult to make it, though they'll have to edit it out.
[15:05:30] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I was thinkining of only showing it in the Preview area
[15:05:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, could, possibly
[15:05:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> well probably really
[15:06:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> gonna put an issue up for that and get to it monday, bout ready to call it a weekend since i been at this for five hours this AM already.
[15:07:02] <paulej72> sure sure
[15:07:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> i take it you want the (Warning: Unicode in URL) along with it too?
[15:08:21] <paulej72> can I get $170 0 ot get injected with an experimental Ebola vaccine
[15:08:57] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: the warning is really what I want, but what ever is easier to code.
[15:09:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> both part of the same sub at the moment is why i asked
[15:09:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> be harder to separate than to include both
[15:10:10] <paulej72> So I suggest we just pull in the sub as coded
[15:11:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, fair chance we can call it directly since it's part of Data.pm
[15:13:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> likely a ~15m fix counting all the git jockeying but i done got my lazy on for the day and we're not point releasing this month unless something critical comes up.
[15:14:06] <paulej72> I am almost willing to have to go out to full story links if it is easier to code for it, ie both previews and regular stories.
[15:16:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> really have no idea, have to dig into it first. can't remember if we use a preview template or what for previews on the different .pl scripts.
[15:18:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> really rather have the editors just take out any links that have unicode unless there's a damn good reason for them to.
[15:18:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> not to rather
[15:20:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to have to send them an email once we get it fixed to let them know the what what on it. you got access to the editors mailing list or should i just send one out on staff?
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[16:02:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Bytram|away have some testing stuff for ya by monday.
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[16:02:47] <Bytram> coffee++
[16:02:47] <Bender> karma - coffee: 931
[16:02:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn right
[16:02:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[16:02:53] <Bender> karma - coffee: 932
[16:02:56] <Bytram> lol
[16:03:16] <Bytram> hmm, testing stuff? sounds interesting...
[16:03:26] <Bytram> here's a fair trade, I have a bug for you!
[16:03:34] <Bytram> https://github.com
[16:03:34] <NetCraft> ^ 03literals in story title excessively converted to quote, lt, gt, and amp · Issue #356 · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
[16:04:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's a feature not a bug
[16:04:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> those few are intentionally converted
[16:05:20] <Bytram> once, maybe, but every time I hit preview, it kept dereferencing the & character.
[16:05:27] <Bytram> &amp;amp;amp;amp;
[16:05:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like they're double converting... hrm...
[16:05:35] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:06:03] <Bytram> from emprical testing, I only noticed it happening for: & < > and " characters
[16:06:26] <Bytram> e.g. the cent character (which requires 2 octects to represent as UTF-8) did NOT get dereferenced.
[16:06:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[16:07:33] <Bytram> should I try other multi-octect UTF-8 chars in the title?
[16:07:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, they go through fine. those ones are specifically picked to be encoded.
[16:08:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> just shouldn't be done twice
[16:08:08] <Bytram> ok, those 4, and ONLY those 4?
[16:08:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> might be a few more, i'd have to look it up
[16:08:29] <Bytram> okay
[16:08:32] <Bytram> hold on a sec
[16:09:17] <Bytram> okay maybe more than one =)
[16:09:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> have IDNs and links with unicode after the host name coming up for you to break soon
[16:10:22] <Bytram> found it! THis all started as a result of seeing this thread on the main site:
[16:10:23] <Bytram> http://soylentnews.org
[16:10:23] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN comment by TheRaven (270)
[16:10:55] <Bytram> oh my. that'll be fun. :/
[16:11:02] * Bytram checks his schedule
[16:11:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> why, all looks okay to me
[16:11:53] <Bytram> hold on
[16:12:48] <Bytram> okay, here's the original submission: http://soylentnews.org
[16:12:49] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN Submission by tonyPick 03The 2014 Medicine Nobel Prize Awarded for deciphering the &#34;Brain's GPS&#34;
[16:13:27] <Bytram> which, when it got to the main site, lost the text after the word "the"
[16:13:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[16:13:53] <Bytram> i.e. became: The 2014 Medicine Nobel Prize Awarded for Deciphering the
[16:14:04] <Bytram> see: http://soylentnews.org
[16:14:04] <NetCraft> ^ 03- SoylentNews User ( http://soylentnews.org )
[16:14:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> no admin.pl for me
[16:14:30] <Bytram> k
[16:14:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> can do the viewsub though
[16:15:12] <Bytram> I saw the title was "strange", then saw the submission and comment and fixed it so it came out for our users.
[16:15:52] <Bytram> notice PJ's comment about having fixed a bug with story titles
[16:16:00] <Bytram> http://soylentnews.org
[16:16:00] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN comment by paulej72 (58)
[16:17:29] <Bytram> btw, my next day off isn't until wed. 10/15 so not sure how much I can do until then. :/
[16:17:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> no worries
[16:18:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> isn't any big rush. no point releases happening this go round.
[16:19:10] <Bytram> my first thought on testing IDN would be to come up with a *complete* list of *ALL* places where a URL can be used/entered on the site.
[16:19:51] <Bytram> user homepage entry; user .sig; story comment; story submission; just off the top of my head.
[16:19:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> comments, journals, submissions for starters. homepage as well.
[16:20:03] <Bytram> journals, good one!
[16:20:24] * Bytram ponders
[16:20:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> some of em are easy mitigations, some aren't
[16:21:19] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:21:42] <Bytram> hmm, only other place I can think of off-hand would be the "Site News" slashbox.
[16:21:50] <Bytram> could that be all of them?
[16:22:01] <Bytram> I got a nagging feeling that there just HAS to be more than that!
[16:22:45] * Bytram is assuming that a comment is a comment is a comment no matter if it is in response to: story, journal, or poll. right?
[16:23:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> site news can stay as is. we either trust our admins or we're outa business.
[16:23:40] <Bytram> agreed. just mentioning it for completeness' sake was all.
[16:23:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> essentially, yes, on the comments
[16:23:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's user's homepage and sig and possibly some of the other user fields.
[16:24:24] <Bytram> k; so no need to test all three of them exhaustively, beat thoroughly on one, and then a couple random tests on the others to confirm.
[16:25:14] <Bytram> oh goody... what about the daily e-mailed story summaries?
[16:25:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> well not really sure what mitigation we can even put in for them.
[16:25:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> harmless there
[16:25:53] <Bytram> none that I can think of, but do need to verify that things come through okay. yanno?
[16:26:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[16:26:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> we got unicode going through properly and it's text email rather than html so it shouldn't be an issue.
[16:26:47] <Bytram> while I have the thought, there's an overloading of one of the admin settings
[16:26:56] <Bytram> hold on while I getthe details
[16:28:30] <Bytram> ah, there it is! as an admin, "Daily Site Stats" on /my/messages has the choices "No messages" or "E-mail"
[16:28:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> and?
[16:29:04] <Bytram> I remember turning that on once, and getting an e-mail sent to me every 10 (15?) minutes saying that daemon had a problem
[16:29:17] <Bytram> or somethin like that
[16:29:46] <Bytram> apparently, there really should be a separate control for notification of system "troubles" from the control for getting site stats.
[16:29:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> not a clue. have to be a reproducible bug that's still happening.
[16:29:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[16:29:54] <Bytram> yar
[16:30:03] * Bytram cringes and turns on the setting.
[16:30:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> saw that issue and thought of fixing it but decided to do IDN instead
[16:30:33] * Bytram just turned on Daily Site Stats
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[16:30:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, don't bother. known bug that's already got an issue report up for it.
[16:31:11] <Bytram> ok.
[16:31:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> it got put up last time ya mentioned it.
[16:31:40] <Bytram> it's a real bother from my end as I'd like to keep an eye on how our traffic changes, but don't dare to cause my inbox gets swapmed
[16:31:48] <Bytram> s/swapmed/swamped/
[16:31:48] <SedBot9000> <Bytram> it's a real bother from my end as I'd like to keep an eye on how our traffic changes, but don't dare to cause my inbox gets swamped
[16:32:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, idns, i got no problem with letting em be allowed in a person's email or homepage but that vertical accent stacking is gonna be a prollem.
[16:33:32] <Bytram> so you're fine with idm 'rick rolling' of other users?
[16:33:40] <Bytram> s/idm/IDN/
[16:33:40] <SedBot9000> <Bytram> so you're fine with IDN 'rick rolling' of other users?
[16:34:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, who cares. takes clicking on their link to do anything.
[16:34:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> what they put on it is their business
[16:34:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> how it shows up is ours
[16:35:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/it/the link/
[16:35:03] <SedBot9000> <TheMightyBuzzard> how the link shows up is ours
[16:35:09] <Bytram> what part of the URL could be IDN?
[16:35:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> any of it right now.
[16:35:32] <Bytram> nod nod; and you are proposing?
[16:35:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothing just yet. have to ponder on it some.
[16:35:59] <Bytram> ok.ah, oka.
[16:36:14] <Bytram> btw, accent stacking? not familiar with that one... got a link?
[16:36:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> there may not be a good way to prevent vertical accent stacking everywhere they can put links
[16:36:20] <Bytram> or an example.
[16:37:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://sbp.so
[16:37:02] <NetCraft> ^ 03The Supercombiner, a peculiar Unicode smoke-test ( supercombiner.html )
[16:37:13] <Bytram> on my way
[16:37:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> browser rendering is one character with a mess of accents
[16:38:54] <Bytram> oh my. wow!
[16:40:05] <juggs> firefox makes a mess of that :D
[16:40:28] <Bytram> afk brb
[16:45:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://search.cpan.org
[16:47:56] * Bytram looks at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org
[16:47:58] <NetCraft> ^ 03403464 – (supercombiner) Gross abuse of unicode combining characters fails to render properly
[16:49:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> also $str =~ s/\p{NonspacingMark}//g;
[16:49:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i like the latter better
[16:51:05] <Bytram> so, my question is: what do we *want* to do with such a case? render it vertically? (ugh - open to abuse) render as horizontal moji bake (also not right); or kinda sorta render it as a blob? Or only render the first N of the combining diacritics?
[16:51:24] <Bytram> cf: the image at: http://sbp.so
[16:51:24] <NetCraft> ^ 03The Supercombiner, a peculiar Unicode smoke-test ( supercombiner.html )
[16:51:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> strip em all
[16:51:34] <Bytram> I disagree.
[16:51:49] <Bytram> there are places where one needs to use the diacritics to render text correctly.
[16:51:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> for urls, yeah, they need to go.
[16:52:01] <Bytram> hmmm, urls...
[16:52:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> for non-urls we already got a solution in place.
[16:52:36] <Bytram> still need em in some cases, but not for 100 of them; may 3 or 4 would be okay as an upper bound, though.
[16:52:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm
[16:52:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah thas doable
[16:53:07] <Bytram> not sure what the upper bound needs to be, though.
[16:53:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> $str =~ s/\p{NonspacingMark}{4,5000}//g; should do it
[16:54:03] <Bytram> I'm thinking of chinese, japanese, korean, and hebrew where there is a base glyph and then some number of additional diacritics requried to complete the characters
[16:54:13] <Bytram> hmmm
[16:54:22] <Bytram> make the "4" a site var?
[16:54:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm okay with saying no more than three until someone bitches
[16:54:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly i'm not sure they should be allowed in urls at all
[16:55:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno if they're even legal
[16:55:20] <Bytram> IIRC. they are, I'm pretty sure I've seen 'em somewhere
[16:55:35] <Bytram> what does "NonspacingMark" match?
[16:56:19] * Bytram launches ddg
[16:56:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> diacritics i think
[16:56:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.fileformat.info
[16:56:54] <NetCraft> ^ 03Unicode Characters in the 'Mark, Nonspacing' Category
[16:57:06] <Bytram> sounds good, on my way
[16:57:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> lemme test if it's legal to make urls with it in em
[17:00:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, apparently so
[17:01:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://tmbvn.ddns.net:8000̀.txt
[17:01:24] <NetCraft> ^ 03ERROR: The requested URL could not be retrieved
[17:01:27] <paulej72> The title “bug” is an issue for th editors they need to clean out html in the titles, as we are now stripping it
[17:01:57] * Bytram is loading: https://www.icann.org
[17:01:58] <NetCraft> ^ 03Resources - ICANN
[17:02:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> & kinda should still be viable as should quotes though
[17:02:10] <Bytram> ^^^
[17:02:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't bitch about AT&T properly without the &
[17:03:28] <Bytram> problem arise each time I hit preview on a story submission, another indirection is added, as well as when I hit submit
[17:03:36] <paulej72> We may need to see if utf is now getting mangled in the titles though. I did test it, but we need to be sure. I think that entities are getting double encoded, but this is currently the only way to keep html from getting in, other than just stripping it directly.
[17:04:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> how'd we do it, strip_tags?
[17:04:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> would look but i already powered down the vm for the day
[17:04:31] <paulej72> so we need to remove the entities from the title and use ascii or utf8
[17:04:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[17:04:50] <paulej72> right now we are doing a strip_literal
[17:04:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[17:05:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> repeatedly sounds like. I'd be fine with limiting it to once somehow.
[17:06:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> generally we let whatever they want go into the db and do the strip_literal when we go to display it
[17:06:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> or any of the strips for that matter
[17:06:27] <paulej72> strp_literal will encode < as <, and that gets put into the story title. Then on the next trip through it encoedes & as & , but it really should not
[17:06:46] <Bytram> bingo
[17:06:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> you sure nothing needs the &?
[17:07:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> seems like there was something i broke while working on unicode when i removed it
[17:07:55] <paulej72> i thougt it checked to see if the & was part of an entity before encoding it, but it seems like it is not.
[17:08:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> so did i
[17:08:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be a bad regex
[17:08:17] <paulej72> probably
[17:09:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i completely don't remember why that was a necessary encoding.
[17:09:13] <paulej72> the bigger issue was to fix the ability to put </div> in to tiltes which would break the site
[17:09:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[17:09:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> or </tr> or <iframe>
[17:10:03] <paulej72> or any of the other tags :)
[17:10:18] <Bytram> guilty as charged =)
[17:10:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> <audio> ftw
[17:10:23] <Bytram> LOL!
[17:10:33] <paulej72> <canvas>
[17:10:44] <Bytram> </html>
[17:10:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> autoplaying Barbie Girl > *
[17:10:58] <Bytram> ROFLMAO!
[17:11:17] <paulej72> dito
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[17:12:35] <Bytram> fwiw, I have a pattern that matches all the named character entities, if that would help?
[17:12:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, any objection to stripping any more than three diacritic marks from any given character in a url?
[17:13:11] <Bytram> are you stalking about the DOMAIN name, or any given part? ...
[17:13:18] <Bytram> I just found this to be quite informative:L
[17:13:23] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[17:13:24] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03Internationalized domain name
[17:13:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> any part. if they want to be a wiseass and make à́̂̃̄̅ a real file, that's their business
[17:14:04] <Bytram> cd k
[17:14:10] <Bytram> okay,
[17:14:18] <Bytram> see the part at the wiki about: ToASCII and ToUnicode
[17:14:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice, xchat limits the height.
[17:14:25] <Bytram> for dealing with domain name parts
[17:14:40] * Bytram notes it is the same here with hexchat
[17:15:01] <Bytram> ah, direct link: https://en.wikipedia.org
[17:15:01] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03Internationalized domain name
[17:15:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, went through a lot of trouble to NOT use the xn-- notation. it wanted to default to that pretty bad.
[17:15:25] <Bytram> understood...
[17:15:49] <Bytram> we can use it as a smoke test, though. right?
[17:15:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> erm...
[17:16:11] <Bytram> if it doesn't successfully go ToAscii, THEN "do somethin"
[17:16:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno how to break the code enough to make it work anymore.
[17:16:19] <Bytram> lol
[17:16:28] <Bytram> yeah a few too many abstractions
[17:16:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> thing is, they all successfully go ToAscii.
[17:17:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> any unicode you can think up will
[17:17:08] <Bytram> hrm? even the 100-diacrticis?
[17:17:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> no reason it wouldn't they're their own character and can map just fine
[17:18:03] <Bytram> "The ToASCII algorithm can fail in several ways; for example, the final string could exceed the 63-character limit of a DNS name. A label for which ToASCII fails cannot be used in an internationalized domain name."
[17:18:22] * TheMightyBuzzard nods
[17:18:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> so it'd be limited to only half a page instead of the whole page
[17:19:08] <Bytram> so, it may not be *sufficient* to test for ToAscii for each of the "labels", but if that DOES FAIL, then we reject it, too.
[17:19:30] <Bytram> note: labels as in: "These algorithms are not applied to the domain name as a whole, but rather to individual labels. For example, if the domain name is www.example.com, then the labels are www, example, and com. ToASCII or ToUnicode are applied to each of these three separately."
[17:19:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i noticed that
[17:20:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> basically anything they can type in though is gonna be valid though, so no point using that step.
[17:20:55] <Bytram> btw, what are we going to do if we actually notice a bad URL/label/whatever? Strip it entirely? mangle it? flag it?
[17:21:10] <Bytram> I'm not at all sure what the appropriate response should be.
[17:21:19] <Bytram> we most certainly should not munge it silently
[17:21:51] <Bytram> whadda ya mean "anything they can type in"? they can cut-n-past anything, right?
[17:22:06] <Bytram> oh, wait.
[17:22:30] <Bytram> then the browser (or whatever) would fail when they tried to follow the link.
[17:22:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> we don't try to notice, we just inform the users/editors if there's unicode in the link at all right now.
[17:22:35] <Bytram> not our problem, then.
[17:22:43] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:23:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> we do need to limit the number of diacritic marks though or we open ourselves to having very, very tall homepage links.
[17:23:46] <Bytram> agreed.
[17:24:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> those we silently strip and they can just lump it if they created a homepage with stupid slopping all over it.
[17:24:40] <Bytram> Admin variable: MarkNonspacingMax = 3 [default value];
[17:24:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[17:24:58] <Bytram> hmm
[17:25:12] <Bytram> Admin variable: UTF8MarkNonspacingMax = 3 [default value];
[17:25:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> actually much easier to code if it's hard coded
[17:26:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dunno if perl will take a variable in a something{min,max} regex
[17:26:47] <Bytram> good question, but I cannot think of a reason why it wouldn't
[17:26:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i mean it would if i put it in an eval but i dislike evals
[17:27:01] <Bytram> I'm pretty sure I could do it in AWK
[17:27:06] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:27:31] <Bytram> just put it in a loop! :/
[17:28:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, how'd it get to be lunchtime?
[17:28:21] <Bytram> time, there's no stopping it.
[17:28:43] <Bytram> is monopoly here? http://feeds.sciencedaily.com
[17:28:44] <NetCraft> ^ 03Rare 'baby rattle' molecules reveal new quantum properties of H<sub>2</sub>O and H<sub>2</sub> -- ScienceDaily ( http://www.sciencedaily.com )
[17:29:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, homepage, email address, anything else that shows up beside a user's name at the top bar of a comment
[17:29:53] <Bytram> hrmmm, thinking
[17:30:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah i mean i'll test user settings for that and strip em
[17:30:16] <Bytram> yes, those most certainly.
[17:30:16] <Bytram> what about their "homepage" on SN?
[17:30:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> call it strip_diacritic or strip_asshat
[17:30:39] <Bytram> e.g. http://soylentnews.org
[17:30:40] <NetCraft> ^ 03- SoylentNews User
[17:31:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> spaces
[17:31:23] <Bytram> oh, before they get to save 'em?
[17:31:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> I don't care if they wanna muck up their profile. Do you?
[17:31:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, in my username on SN
[17:32:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> has spaces between the words
[17:32:20] <Bytram> oh!
[17:32:21] <Bytram> e.g. http://soylentnews.org
[17:32:22] <NetCraft> ^ 03The Mighty Buzzard - SoylentNews User
[17:33:07] <Bytram> offhand, I guess that would be fine... but
[17:33:15] <Bytram> watch out for their .sig, too!
[17:33:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> sig is contained by the div it's in.
[17:33:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause it's in the same div as the comment
[17:34:07] <Bytram> hmm even if it contains something like: "this is my sig </html>" ??
[17:34:20] <Bytram> oh, wrong kind of test but... hmm?
[17:34:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> no html in sigs. gets stripped or converted or something.
[17:34:47] <Bytram> you mean "sig contains u¨aut;ˆ etc"
[17:34:55] <paulej72> sigs should go through approved tags and
[17:35:03] <paulej72> such
[17:35:26] <Bytram> that makes sense; do you know if we actually DO that?
[17:35:34] <paulej72> not sure
[17:35:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> they just might be able to stack them up using named entities for each diacritic. i dunno how to fix that.
[17:35:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, pretty sure we do.
[17:35:52] <Bytram> k
[17:36:09] <Bytram> max size of a sig is, what, 256 chars?
[17:36:34] <Bytram> and wouldn't the bounding div truncate the glyphs if they get "too tall"?
[17:36:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> about
[17:36:46] <paulej72> yes it sshould
[17:37:01] <Bytram> kewel!
[17:37:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar, same div as the comment body so yep
[17:38:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, we should do a strip_diacritic to submission titles too and AC submitted email addresses so they can't exploit the submissions page
[17:39:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> that would annoy our poor eds
[17:39:08] <paulej72> Bytram’s guide to breaking slash, your’s free with subsription
[17:39:15] <Bytram> ROFL!
[17:40:00] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: instead of "strip_diacritic" shouold be "trim_diacritic" -- we want to be able to leave in 3 or 4 or whatever the admin var is set to.
[17:40:22] * Bytram would certainly not attempt to submit any such thing to /.
[17:40:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> all the others like that are named strip_something is why strip
[17:40:52] <paulej72> strip subs do more than just strip so we should keep the naming convention
[17:41:09] <Bytram> didn't that cause us some confusion a short while ago?
[17:41:21] <Bytram> we thought something was being stripped when it was really just being trimmed?
[17:41:25] <paulej72> only the non-devs
[17:41:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> is it sad or skilled that we remember these things?
[17:41:41] <Bytram> yes!
[17:42:21] <paulej72> but ask us who is singing “Popular_song_of _the_day” and we fail
[17:42:28] <Bytram> okay; I'm on my info page. Sig is a max of 120 chars and the Bio is a max of 255 chars.
[17:42:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth. all my culture comes from whatever's on the 80s station.
[17:43:11] <paulej72> 60’s and 70’s you mean :)
[17:43:19] <Bytram> hmmm, on that page there is also the "Public Calendar" field: "You must enter a fully qualified URL, for an iCal calendar. "
[17:43:35] <Bytram> paulej72: yep, the 1770's and 1780's
[17:43:39] <paulej72> some that shit going to be striped
[17:43:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i got tired of not hearing nirvana and motley crue.
[17:43:42] * Bytram rocks to beethoven
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[17:44:08] <paulej72> must find free food. bbl
[17:44:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[17:44:22] <Bytram> food? good idea! same here.
[17:44:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> not a bad idea that. my fridge has taco stuff in it.
[17:44:28] <Bytram> afk bbl
[17:44:37] <Bytram> oh, and coffee++
[17:44:45] <Bytram> coffee++
[17:44:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 933
[17:44:49] <Bytram> better.
[17:44:51] <Bytram> bbl
[17:44:52] <ciri> ok see yea later Bytram
[18:01:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Designs for Potentially Driverless Tube Trains in London Revealed - http://sylnt.us - but-but-but-who-will-go-on-strike?
[18:03:38] <Bytram> someth9ng just came up and I gotta run
[18:03:41] <Bytram> cya all later!
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[18:39:45] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: there are two amp strippers, encode_html_amp and encode_html_amp_ifnotent. all of our strip subs use the first not the second. Is there a reason not to use the second
[18:47:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, legacy cruft left over from before i suppose.
[18:52:35] <paulej72> I can’t seem to find a case where this would break anything.
[18:53:39] <paulej72> stip_literal is used most heavily on nicknames, and emails. (ie stuff a user inputs)
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[19:16:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> Dunno, man. Try the regex against some arbitrary strings from the command line.
[19:17:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, perl -e 'my $foo = "bar&baz&buz"; $foo =~ s/whatever/else/g;'
[19:18:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> nap for me.
[19:19:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> if strip_literal alone ain't causing it, maybe it's getting run twice for some reason.
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[21:04:45] <paulej72> quack quack waddle waddle
[21:09:14] <juggs> hola paulej72 - you doing OK?
[21:09:31] <crutchy> he's been on youtube
[21:09:47] <crutchy> 'till the very next day'
[21:10:06] <crutchy> oh shit
[21:10:07] <paulej72> yes. just a long day at work. we have a dog and pony shiw going on
[21:10:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Online Homework and Social Media Pose Parental Dilemma - http://sylnt.us - staring-off-into-space
[21:10:52] <crutchy> err. no they don't
[21:11:12] <juggs> Is that a metaphor paulej72 ? Or an actual dog and pony show? :/
[21:11:19] <juggs> Unfamiliar trm
[21:11:22] <juggs> term*
[21:11:29] <crutchy> "127.0.0.1 facebook.com" > /etc/hosts
[21:12:08] <paulej72> metaphor. we have an advisory council meeting for my deptment
[21:12:44] <crutchy> be sure to table a chair
[21:13:06] <crutchy> and raise a motion in your bowels
[21:13:10] <paulej72> ~define dog and pony show
[21:13:33] <paulej72> i an just on av duty
[21:13:41] <crutchy> oops
[21:14:14] <crutchy> 404 bot hiding
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[21:14:28] <paulej72> got to make sure the presentation at dinner goes smoothly
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[21:15:12] <paulej72> should have brought my ipad in
[21:15:33] <crutchy> play the duck song at the meeting
[21:16:04] <paulej72> http://en.m.wikipedia.org
[21:16:04] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 0303Dog and pony show - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[21:16:07] <crutchy> then say you're having technical issues due to underfunding
[21:19:10] <paulej72> well the crowd is niw showing up.
[21:19:17] <juggs> thanks for the 'splanation. Not come across the term this side of the pond.
[21:19:46] <crutchy> welcome them with the customary greeting of course
[21:19:56] <crutchy> 'bumblebee tuna'
[21:20:09] <paulej72> never ralized how specific it was myself
[21:20:22] <paulej72> spaceballs salute
[21:20:58] <crutchy> is it the nursing department? then it might be a nice meeting
[21:21:26] <crutchy> with plenty of tits for improvement
[21:21:33] <crutchy> err tips :p
[21:22:34] <paulej72> chemical and biological engineering
[21:22:46] <juggs> So you're on "ooh feck the bulb went out in the projector duty" :D Make sure to avail yourself of the crudits and flowing wine that seems to accompany such things (presuming it is after hours). Lurk around the caterers' section :D
[21:23:06] <crutchy> oh man. all pipes and bugs
[21:23:13] <paulej72> that is the plan
[21:23:29] <crutchy> or putting bugs in pipes
[21:24:06] <paulej72> and chicken embrios
[21:25:00] <paulej72> as long as they are harvested before the hatch it is not animal research.
[21:26:23] <juggs> you've done this before I see :D We shall wait for tales such as "well I was just sipping my 5th glass of wine when the bulb went out - sensing my moment I swooped in like a ninja to replace it... the smell of roast pork as my fingers seared to the failed bulb rather killed my bravado and spoilt the evening for all the attendees, particularly as the pulled pork was yet to be served" :D
[21:26:52] <paulej72> lol
[21:26:53] <ciri> hehehe
[21:27:28] <crutchy> they probably pump pulverised pork directly into the plate
[21:27:44] <crutchy> at high pressure
[21:27:45] <juggs> the plate is made of pork too?
[21:28:21] <paulej72> polymerized pork
[21:28:52] <crutchy> the plate has substances embedded in it that genetically mutate the pork slosh into roast beef
[21:29:28] <paulej72> fellet mignon
[21:29:54] <Landon> :o
[21:29:56] <Landon> http://en.wiktionary.org
[21:29:58] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03fello
[21:29:59] <paulej72> this is Princeton after all
[21:30:05] <Landon> I would pay top dollar for a fellet mignon
[21:30:43] <crutchy> best to get out of cities for best meat
[21:30:50] <Landon> crutchy: see definition
[21:31:13] <Landon> whoops, didn't link to quite the right one: http://en.wiktionary.org
[21:31:13] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03fellet
[21:31:27] <Landon> the word paulej72 should have used was filet :)
[21:31:54] <paulej72> that is why i am a dev not an ed
[21:32:27] <crutchy> maybe pj is showing pr0nz
[21:32:46] <paulej72> perl does not care what you call your vars
[21:39:22] <juggs> Pearl? Isn't she in the typist pool? Wait... what decade is this.... aww feck I ended up in the early 21st again didn't I. Damn this machine!
[21:52:45] <crutchy> they still have typists in your century... how primitive
[21:54:54] <juggs> well, where I started out, yes.
[21:57:26] <juggs> But.... I have seen things you wouldn't believe Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhuser Gate. I watched the humans expire. And NOW I forget how to calibrate this damn thing and I end up back in the early 21st C.
[21:58:27] <juggs> +1 plagiarism
[22:01:03] <juggs> paulej72, did you go from studying at Princeton to working there?
[22:08:39] <swiss> wooo, moving into my new house
[22:09:13] <paulej72> juggs yes i did
[22:09:57] <paulej72> too lazy to get a real job.
[22:10:24] <crutchy> ~weather
[22:10:26] <exec> Weather for Traralgon VIC, Australia - currrently 57°F / 14°C, overcast, wind W at 4 mph, humidity 94% - Saturday partly cloudy (48°F-73°F / 9°C-23°C), Sunday chance of rain (41°F-81°F / 5°C-27°C), Monday chance of rain (41°F-54°F / 5°C-12°C), Tuesday chance of rain (34°F-59°F / 1°C-15°C) - source: Google
[22:10:51] <paulej72> ~weather
[22:10:52] <exec> Weather for Princeton, NJ - currrently 58°F / 14°C, overcast, wind N at 0 mph, humidity 63% - Friday chance of rain (50°F-63°F / 10°C-17°C), Saturday rain (45°F-61°F / 7°C-16°C), Sunday clear (43°F-61°F / 6°C-16°C), Monday chance of rain (59°F-68°F / 15°C-20°C) - source: Google
[22:11:28] <paulej72> ~time
[22:11:29] <exec> Friday, 10 October 2014 @ 6:11 pm EDT - Princeton, NJ
[22:12:20] <paulej72> ~define dog and pony show
[22:12:22] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3dog and pony show: an elaborately staged activity, performance, presentation, or event designed to sway or convince people (from a derisive term for a small circus)
[22:12:25] <swiss> paulej72: how laaaazy
[22:12:37] <swiss> govt job though, so pretty secure, right?
[22:13:03] <crutchy> till govt runs out of monies
[22:13:20] <paulej72> not gov but private. but in this case just as secure.
[22:13:20] <swiss> they'll just print more
[22:13:33] <swiss> i should buy a nest for my new house
[22:13:37] <crutchy> like zimbabwe
[22:14:08] <paulej72> swiss it may already have one.
[22:14:21] <swiss> i am in it right now
[22:14:29] <swiss> 0 nest ac unit
[22:14:35] <paulej72> rat nest. termite nest
[22:14:40] <swiss> lol
[22:14:53] <swiss> it's a lease, so if there are, i just tell the owners
[22:14:56] <swiss> and they deal with it
[22:15:08] <paulej72> yea
[22:15:08] <swiss> just like they're dealing with half the outlets not working
[22:15:46] <paulej72> they are working. they are baby proofed
[22:15:58] <swiss> lol
[22:16:04] <swiss> they heard i was coming
[22:16:20] <paulej72> you are holding it wrong
[22:16:30] <crutchy> bending is a feature
[22:16:55] <paulej72> just dont bend it too far.
[22:16:56] <swiss> ha
[22:17:19] <paulej72> thats what my pappy told me
[22:17:40] <swiss> if i bought the place, i'd have taken off the covers and checked out what's wrong behind the outlets, and prob would have killed myself by now
[22:17:58] <swiss> OMG I LIVE ALONE! I CAN USE MY CHERRY MX BLUES
[22:18:11] <crutchy> when i bought my house i neglected to notice a missing bedroom door
[22:18:15] <swiss> i totally forgot about those
[22:18:30] <swiss> sat in the "too annoying to use around others " box
[22:19:17] <swiss> i haven't brought all my anime junk up yet
[22:19:26] <swiss> gonna be quite a pain to set that up
[22:20:24] <crutchy> anime junk?
[22:21:11] <swiss> figures, dvds, display cases
[22:21:20] <crutchy> oh
[22:21:49] <crutchy> wow i've neber been obsessed with anything enough to collect stuff
[22:22:01] <swiss> i don't have that much
[22:22:05] <crutchy> though when i was a kid i collected used batteries for a while
[22:22:10] <swiss> <1000 bucks worth of stuff
[22:22:35] <swiss> so not that bad
[22:23:08] <crutchy> i got a plastic model of the titanic, but i'm yet to build it
[22:23:33] <crutchy> the titanic sinking was more interesting to me as an engineering disaster than a fairytale
[22:23:37] <paulej72> i probably have much more than that in anime dvds
[22:23:37] <swiss> oh, i havea few models people bought for me as gifts, haven't built a single one
[22:23:49] <swiss> paulej72: i wait for amazon deals
[22:23:57] <swiss> well... except a few
[22:24:16] <swiss> i guess the madoka special editions might throw it over the edge
[22:24:26] <paulej72> i purchase when the shakes get bad
[22:24:28] <swiss> $280 between the movies
[22:24:39] <crutchy> shakes?
[22:24:48] <swiss> but then i get each e7 dvd for like <$10
[22:24:52] <paulej72> withdrawal
[22:25:01] <crutchy> around lots of people?
[22:25:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://laughingsquid.com
[22:26:30] <crutchy> kinky
[22:26:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i need to make one of those badly
[22:26:56] <crutchy> for yourself?
[22:27:33] <swiss> did you do something deserving punishment?
[22:27:35] <crutchy> or so you can defend yourself when all the hot perl chicks bust down your door
[22:27:42] <paulej72> i hava a box full a cables that would work fo that.
[22:28:00] <swiss> there is an ethernet cable coming from the second bedroom... no clue where it goes
[22:28:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> either works
[22:28:12] <crutchy> there's a bunch of switchroom patch leads in a box at work that nobody would miss
[22:28:25] <swiss> i need to go up in the attic and route a lot more ethernet
[22:28:28] <juggs> paulej72, I'd call it a wise move rather than lazy - perhaps playing the longer game even.
[22:28:31] <paulej72> bathroom web cam
[22:28:51] <swiss> also, hepafilter in each room for 2 hours has made the house feel so much cleaner
[22:29:35] <crutchy> tmb, i added SN issue events to the feed. pulls are a separate url. would pull request feed be useful?
[22:34:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> to me? nah. i already get emails about them
[22:51:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Coax Human Embryonic Stem Cells into Making Insulin - http://sylnt.us - welcome-to-the-world-of-tomorrow
[22:55:58] <swiss> is it bad that i always read coax as co-ax
[23:04:36] <juggs> yes. You must thrash yourself with 50Ohm terminators for the next 3 hours.
[23:07:24] <juggs> Unless you are dual wielding axes or buddied up with another axe wielder - in which case it can be dismissed as dismeanour typo.
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[23:10:39] * arti falls on his keys
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[23:12:04] <Ethanol-fueled> My employer is collapsing!
[23:12:10] <Ethanol-fueled> should I bail or watch it burn?
[23:12:15] <arti> they're so fat the gravity is too much?
[23:12:25] * arti would bail
[23:12:48] <Ethanol-fueled> But its fun watching people getting all hostile
[23:12:55] <Ethanol-fueled> eating each other alive
[23:13:00] <crutchy> see that line; that's your ass collapsing. your ass is collapsing!
[23:14:05] <Ethanol-fueled> and I can get laid off and go on the dole. I've been there for 4 years and put in a LOT of energy.
[23:14:20] <Ethanol-fueled> even wrote some software for those ungrateful bastards.
[23:14:28] <arti> "this is my power deleter"
[23:14:34] <arti> "excellent compression"
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[23:14:59] <arti> there Leebert is
[23:14:59] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[23:14:59] <NetCraft> ^ 03Ass is collapsing - YouTube
[23:15:17] <juggs> o.O
[23:15:26] <Ethanol-fueled> A customer is so pissed they're flying their president in from Korea to poke around our procedures and see how things are actually done.
[23:16:00] <Ethanol-fueled> and I'm gonna be the equipment operator to test his gadget in his presence :)
[23:16:18] <crutchy> ooh. make it do a bsod
[23:16:26] <crutchy> bill gates win95 style
[23:16:44] <arti> label everything with "Best" prefixed.
[23:16:52] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, I was thinking more stretching out my eyelids to make them look squinty and say, "me so solly"
[23:16:59] <crutchy> lol
[23:17:09] <arti> best lol
[23:17:15] <Ethanol-fueled> Best practices
[23:17:30] <arti> best president approves?
[23:17:33] <Ethanol-fueled> that phrase ^ is a dead giveaway to somebody who's full of shit.
[23:17:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude yer not gonna get fired, yer gonna get stabbed with a sword.
[23:17:50] <juggs> North or South Korea? I hear NK's leader is missing out on things due to some gout issues.
[23:18:04] <arti> IM GOUT
[23:18:06] <Ethanol-fueled> The president is a Japanese native who happens to work in Korea.
[23:18:17] <Ethanol-fueled> so, Japanese.
[23:18:45] <Ethanol-fueled> And when it comes to process, you don't fuck with the Japs.
[23:18:45] <arti> "do you request they refer to you as Overlorder or Anointed One?"
[23:19:06] <Ethanol-fueled> they go over EVERYTHING wtih a fine-toothed comb and LOVE numbers.
[23:19:25] <Ethanol-fueled> I can think of one particular test that, if I had to demonstrate, would be GAME OVER.
[23:19:30] <crutchy> tell him you been working on this pran for 10 years, and that its a very precise and a compricated pran
[23:19:39] <Ethanol-fueled> because it's a bunch of wiggling cables and "look the other way"
[23:19:47] <Ethanol-fueled> hahaha crutchy
[23:19:53] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[23:19:53] <NetCraft> ^ 03Sesame Street - The Count counts flowers - YouTube
[23:20:10] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy: a pran of extraordinary magnitude
[23:20:35] <crutchy> then tell them when they're gunna take the derivery
[23:20:47] <crutchy> and then tell them to gtfo
[23:21:07] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, I have our fastest-talking salesman as a bodyguard.
[23:21:38] <Ethanol-fueled> But unfortunately there's not much he can do besides stall for time by saying, "okay, we're gonna charge extra for that :) "
[23:22:00] <crutchy> 'i could press this button, but you wouldn't have any idea what's going on anyway so i'll just tell you how awesome it is'
[23:22:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> you don't have to outrun the little man with the sword, you just have to outrun the salesman
[23:23:05] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard - I'm on his team, and I want him there. It's having a black guy on your side in a meelee.
[23:23:25] <crutchy> operation get-behind-the-darky :p
[23:24:10] <Ethanol-fueled> Blacks are awesome to have on your side when you need them. That's why I side with the minorities at work.
[23:24:27] <arti> but you live in california
[23:24:30] <Ethanol-fueled> Because the whites and "House Mexicans" are afraid of their darker, louder kin.
[23:25:01] <arti> except if they're white officers :D
[23:25:08] <Ethanol-fueled> true, arti. True.
[23:27:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> just start wearing flannel shirts with the sleeves cut out and carrying a skinning knife on your belt.
[23:28:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> save you needing backup
[23:28:08] <Ethanol-fueled> hahah, Buzzard, you say that sarcastically but I could totally picture you as that guy
[23:28:30] <crutchy> don't forget the akubra hat thats been dragged around behind a truck for 6 months
[23:28:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i could totally pull it off
[23:28:38] <Ethanol-fueled> whittling and chopping all of your tools. Oh, wait, you work with slashcode. Yup.
[23:29:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> have a 20 year old "go right" one that i've only washed like 4 times
[23:29:13] <crutchy> 'that's not a knife. this is a knife'
[23:29:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> also have an eight inch long fillet knife that looks wicked scary.
[23:29:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> for teh fooshes
[23:29:50] <Ethanol-fueled> mmm, fresh fish
[23:30:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[23:30:51] <crutchy> furry catfish
[23:31:07] <Ethanol-fueled> I'll have to dig up that picture of catfishes we kept in the hotel bathtub and post it here.
[23:34:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> nifty, got like $200 in bitcoin subscribers so far. not bad for such a minority.
[23:34:19] * juggs eyes the armoury
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[23:38:15] <paulej72> what 200 that is much more tan i expected
[23:39:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'right around where i expected. pressed to guess i would have said "a couple hundred bucks"
[23:39:31] <juggs> yeh - the spent bulb and scorched fingers story is close.
[23:39:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> and how many bucks worth of coding hours did i put into it? yeah, way more than that.
[23:40:01] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[23:40:41] * chromas pays TheMightyBuzzard 150 buttcoins
[23:41:19] <paulej72> gives TheMightyBuzzard 20 free years subscription
[23:41:43] <paulej72> but butcouns are better
[23:42:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> buttcoons are not remotely good though
[23:42:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> em lil critters is clawy
[23:42:19] <chromas> "I added buttcoin support and fixed unicode and all I got was this lousy tee shirt"
[23:42:40] * Ethanol-fueled did somebody say "coons?"
[23:42:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, the fuzzy kind
[23:43:15] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: aren't they usually?
[23:43:27] <paulej72> ^
[23:43:51] <chromas> (brillo pad)
[23:44:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> he was goin for the racial epithet version.
[23:44:12] <Ethanol-fueled> Hmm, methinks I need to prepare something special for you guys...
[23:44:13] <chromas> Yeah
[23:44:17] * juggs worries that he wandered into a KKK den
[23:44:20] <Ethanol-fueled> hold on...
[23:44:53] <paulej72> no picts please :)
[23:45:00] <chromas> Wear pants this time
[23:45:50] <SpallsHurgenson> what's wrong with Picts? I sense Norman conspiracy! :)
[23:46:05] <paulej72> koon kunts klan
[23:49:05] * SpallsHurgenson watches a late-70s rom-com about the decaying relationships of an isolated group of men and women and the unexpected visitor who just wants to get close to them
[23:49:11] <SpallsHurgenson> it's a surprisingly good movie
[23:51:22] <paulej72> is the visitor bi
[23:52:08] <SpallsHurgenson> yes, the stranger is interested in both the men and the women
[23:53:03] <paulej72> ok was not sure from the description
[23:53:31] <paulej72> did i scare Ethanol-fueled away
[23:53:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> one can only hope
[23:54:00] <Ethanol-fueled> No, i'm making you guys a present.
[23:54:05] <Ethanol-fueled> nothing remarkable.
[23:54:09] <SpallsHurgenson> it's sort of a coming-of-age story for the visitor too, I guess. Anyway, it apparently was very popular since it inspired a number of sequels, comics and even video-games
[23:54:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> tying a nice red christmas bow on his schlong for the picture then
[23:54:52] <paulej72> no a pair of sun glasses
[23:55:19] <paulej72> going to do a tricky dick impersonation
[23:55:46] <paulej72> i am not a crook
[23:55:48] * juggs considers the pre-emptive strike. There may be some collateral bannage though.
[23:55:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, present for you: https://www.youtube.com
[23:55:49] <NetCraft> ^ 032CELLOS - Smooth Criminal [OFFICIAL VIDEO] - YouTube
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[23:55:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> no no no, wrong link
[23:56:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com <------
[23:56:12] <NetCraft> ^ 03Flogging Molly - Fuck You I'm Drunk (Bondo) - YouTube
[23:57:07] <SpallsHurgenson> are those the same guys who did AC/DC's Thunderstruck?
[23:57:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, yeah
[23:57:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> which was EPIC
[23:57:34] <Ethanol-fueled> http://s1.postimg.org
[23:57:36] <SpallsHurgenson> truly, it was
[23:57:42] <Ethanol-fueled> not NSFW
[23:58:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> ima kick you like repeatedly and with malice aforethought if there be schlong
[23:58:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> har