#Soylent | Logs for 2014-10-09
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[01:25:47] <chromas> No torrent?
[01:27:06] <SpallsHurgenson> upload to usenet!
[01:27:08] <chromas> (re slash vm)
[01:32:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Professor: College Admissions System Broken - http://sylnt.us - fat-envelope
[01:40:40] <SpallsHurgenson> how can the system be broken if it got people like me into college? :)
[01:40:40] <ciri> very carefully and then some
[01:47:26] <Leebert> My daddy got me into college.
[01:54:01] * SpallsHurgenson tries to think of a witty comeback
[01:54:17] <SpallsHurgenson> "I got into your mother in college" is the best I can come up with, sorry
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[02:06:23] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: the new dev vm has been posted
[02:14:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, awesome, linked from the wiki?
[02:15:31] <paulej72> yes. I did get is smaller, but not enough for GitHub. So I put it on carbon with a speed restriction
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[02:25:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, excellent. got an email off to botfap letting him know.
[02:32:55] <juggs> killed Pale Moon's apparent chattiness with google / amazon / sundry others that I noted yesterday \o/
[02:34:10] <juggs> had to remove all the search handlers, disable search from url field, disable attack / forgery site warnings, disable auto-complete and url guessing. Happy bunny now.
[02:34:55] <juggs> Still can't figure why it was chatting to amazon mind - I didn't have an amazon search handler :/
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[03:11:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Funding for New UK Nuclear Power Station Approved by EU - http://sylnt.us - world-of-tomorrow
[03:11:30] <SpallsHurgenson> Brits wit Nukes!
[03:11:56] <juggs> we have subs for that :)
[03:12:36] <SpallsHurgenson> nuke 'em 'til they glow!
[03:12:50] <SpallsHurgenson> erm, sorry, that's probably "glouw" in Brit-speak :) :)
[03:13:57] <SpallsHurgenson> something about being British makes 'em wanna stick the letter u in inappropriate places :)
[03:14:46] <juggs> I blame the Normans ~shrug~
[03:17:59] <SpallsHurgenson> I knew it, the French!
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[03:44:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> Blame whoever you like, it's still going to be the Spanish Inquisition even though you don't expect it.
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[03:46:14] <juggs> As long as they bring out the comfy chair I'll not complain.
[03:46:31] <SpallsHurgenson> just so long as they don't force me to sit in the comfy chair and prod me with soft cushions and oh damn you beat me to it
[03:46:47] * SpallsHurgenson mutters something half-heartedly about being tied to the dish-rack
[03:50:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> I've decided I need a faithful sidekick. I'd probably settle for a minion though. Just so long as there's someone around to send after beer n smokes.
[03:50:38] <juggs> Spalls - that tied to the dish-rack made me think of this parody https://www.youtube.com
[03:50:39] <NetCraft> ^ 03Women: Know Your Limits! Harry Enfield - BBC comedy - YouTube
[03:52:21] * chromas packs up to travel to TheMightyBuzzard's shop
[03:52:24] <juggs> TMB - you need a gimp. Just let it out of it's box to go to the store as required.
[03:52:42] <juggs> grrr... damn my apostrophe affliction!
[03:52:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> Nah, leather is expensive.
[03:53:58] <juggs> stick it in a 2nd hand wetsuit and be done with it :D
[03:54:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> Prolly be easier to teach my cat to pull a wagon down to the store.
[03:55:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, i give up on this consciousness thing.
[03:56:30] <SpallsHurgenson> nooooo! if you leave we all disappear! we're merely figments of your imagination!
[03:56:52] <arti> juggs, why do you have hand wetsuits?
[03:57:10] <arti> do your fingers get cold :P
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[04:01:42] <juggs> Only when surfing dude! :P Atlantic is cold!
[04:11:47] * Konomi hugs her terminal
[04:12:04] <Konomi> hmm I just got the idea of embeeding a small lcd screen that is a terminal into the front of a teddy bear
[04:12:48] <chromas> is it a touch screen or does it have hdmi?
[04:13:04] <chromas> (not that those are mutually exclusive)
[04:13:21] <Konomi> keyboard
[04:13:23] <Konomi> touch screen pft
[04:13:32] <Konomi> it's butt is the usb hub
[04:14:28] <juggs> errmagurd - some people have no common sense. Just looking at a product listing for a 2KW electric convection heater and related questions thereof. This one made me laugh... "My wardrobe is damp. Is the heater safe to use in there". I don't know whether I should have laughed or replied with "Yes, provided it is a small wooden wardrobe. Put the heater in there on max output and close the doors. Leave it for a few days and things will no longer be da
[04:14:28] <juggs> mp. Well, unless the fire service turn up with their pesky hoses of course."
[04:15:02] <Konomi> >.>
[04:15:11] <Konomi> stupid people everywhere get them away
[04:15:27] <chromas> They just need to close the back door that goes to the magical land
[04:15:36] <chromas> all that condensation
[04:19:25] <juggs> I don't think it is stupidity, just lack of education Konomi. 2KW doesn't mean a lot if you have never been taught about such things - in fact 2KW as a product description is pretty poor really in pedantic terms.
[04:19:56] <juggs> closing the back door would certainly keep the lion and witch away chromas
[04:23:07] <juggs> These have got to be troll questions... "Is it safe to hang wet clothes on this 2KW convector heater?" :D
[04:24:03] <Konomi> I think it's stupidity tbh
[04:24:08] <Konomi> people can learn
[04:24:12] <Konomi> most of them choose not to
[04:25:55] <juggs> or maybe they are taught not to? maybe it's a symptom of regurgi-fact examination techniques to appraise education.
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[04:27:55] <juggs> "can i locate it on the wall below a wash hand basin in a downsarirs wc , ie splashproof ?"
[04:28:00] <Konomi> I used to believe that but experience has taught me otherwise
[04:28:30] <juggs> yes - put that electric heater under your wash basin! ffs
[04:28:46] <juggs> I'm rapidly swaying to your view Konomi
[04:29:00] <chromas> at least we know they're not americans :)
[04:29:31] <chromas> (our heaters only go up to 1500 watts)
[04:35:42] <juggs> ywh - this is a 230V heater
[04:39:15] <chromas> We only get 50% of the volts :'(
[04:40:38] <juggs> You need monster cables so the volts can travel more!
[04:41:21] * Konomi groans in pain from that statement
[04:41:31] <juggs> :D
[04:41:51] <juggs> I can haz stupid too!
[04:43:19] <Konomi> haven]'t checked this out yet but
[04:43:20] <Konomi> https://www.openmailbox.org
[04:43:21] <NetCraft> ^ 03Openmailbox.org - Free messaging
[04:43:22] <Konomi> seems promising
[04:45:11] <juggs> hosting your own mail seems promising too. Or am I missing the point?
[04:54:38] <chromas> Why is the Welcome description in French? Weird
[04:56:34] <juggs> perhaps it is operated by French speaking people?
[04:58:45] <chromas> everything else is English
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[05:05:01] <juggs> I didn't dawdle long enough to figure out what they are selling. Mailboxes? They claim encrypted storage, but no info on how that is achieved, who the key-holder is etc. Not sure what we're supposed to buy into here.
[05:11:04] <juggs> And from the sole proprietor of the site in the forums we read:
[05:11:06] <juggs> Hello,
[05:11:06] <juggs> The mailbox privacy is assured by the general good security of the servers.
[05:11:06] <juggs> For the C.G.U, you can read this because : The administrators never go read your mail, we never sell your data and we respect you.
[05:11:06] <juggs> The mailboxes isn't encrypted.
[05:11:57] <juggs> Konomi - what do you find promising about this?
[05:14:09] <Konomi> they use pgp
[05:14:16] <Konomi> apparently jscript brwoser side
[05:14:22] <Konomi> for the web interface that is
[05:16:03] <juggs> interesting idea, hould one be able to get everyone else to adopt pgp. I'll not hold my breath, but wish them luck all the same.
[05:23:53] <Konomi> anyone who cares or understands security would never use it but it'd be goof for the norms' to use
[05:23:58] <Konomi> good*
[05:28:11] <juggs> good luck prying them away from gmail :D
[05:28:37] <Konomi> gmail is starting to irriate the hell out of me
[05:41:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Third Party Report on Rossi's E-Cat Released, Shows Abundant Heat Generation - http://sylnt.us - What's-in-the-box?
[05:50:33] <Konomi> http://media.boingboing.net
[05:50:36] <Konomi> +1
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[06:08:02] <crutchy> coffee++
[06:08:02] <Bender> karma - coffee: 928
[06:09:12] <keplr> Kaffee++
[06:09:12] <Bender> karma - kaffee: 1
[06:11:18] <keplr> Although, strangely, I use a French press
[06:13:00] <chromas> fill jug with hot water; dump in coffee++ grounds; shake; pour through filter into glass :D
[06:14:39] <keplr> Grounds go in first, then half fill with hot water, wait 2 minutes, then fill with rest of hot water, then wait 5 minutes, then poor into carefe
[06:14:45] <crutchy> i runded out of kaffee pods :(
[06:15:04] <crutchy> some bastard kept using them
[06:15:58] <keplr> Save your money, mate. Get a french press and a grinder, or grind at the store if they have one.
[06:16:26] <keplr> The little pods are overpriced and wasteful
[06:16:49] <crutchy> i'm addicted to convenience, and i like that the pods are sealed till right when you use them
[06:16:53] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[06:16:53] <Bender> karma - coffee: 927
[06:16:58] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[06:16:58] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[06:16:58] <Bender> karma - coffee: 926
[06:16:58] <Bender> karma - coffee: 925
[06:18:21] <keplr> You're saving perhaps minutes a week.
[06:19:17] <keplr> I drink at least a litre of coffee a day so I can't stand the pods
[06:19:46] <crutchy> dev_vm++
[06:19:46] <Bender> karma - dev_vm: 1
[06:20:28] <crutchy> is it wrong that i'm jealous of botfap's nick?
[06:21:01] <chromas> only 'cause you have a fappable bo
[06:21:02] <chromas> bot
[06:21:44] <keplr> Has anyone read the Baroque Cycle, in its entirety?
[06:22:19] <crutchy> ~fap
[06:22:23] <crutchy> :/
[06:22:28] <crutchy> stoopid bot
[06:22:36] <keplr> It's like Stephenson designed it to slow me down, I simply have to stop every few pages and look things up. Then I spend an hour trapped in Wikipedia.
[06:22:55] <crutchy> yeah wikipedia is almost as bad as xkcd
[06:23:00] <crutchy> evil places
[06:23:09] <chromas> keplr: it's designed to keep the robots out
[06:23:17] <keplr> Always thought xkcd was overrated
[06:23:23] <chromas> see, they'll keep branching out until stack overflow
[06:23:51] <crutchy> ~bot new fappybot
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[06:24:20] * chromas wonders why the server is so slow on connect
[06:24:35] <crutchy> exec throttles it
[06:24:40] <keplr> Randall gets a lot of things wrong, which makes the smugness less tolerable.
[06:24:48] <chromas> the server itself it slooow though when you first connect
[06:25:04] <crutchy> oh that first few sec
[06:25:09] <crutchy> yeah i dunno
[06:25:20] <crutchy> ~bot new fappybird
[06:25:27] <chromas> see it should be here by now
[06:25:34] <crutchy> ~bot say fappybot quit
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[06:25:45] <chromas> they just missed each other
[06:26:23] <chromas> Maybe it's wrong on purpose, just to be even funnier
[06:28:55] <crutchy> ~bot say fappybird privmsg i'm a bird that likes to fap
[06:28:57] <fappybird> i'm a bird that likes to fap
[06:29:13] <crutchy> doesn't work when you /msg exec :/
[06:29:30] <crutchy> whoever programmed it needs to be shot
[06:29:43] <crutchy> in the ass
[06:30:33] <keplr> Why in the ass? It's neither the most humane way to kill or the most efficacious way to inflict suffering
[06:31:06] <crutchy> cos they might enjoy it
[06:36:01] <Konomi> crutchy has an obsession with butts
[06:36:18] <crutchy> and i don't even smoke!
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[06:50:27] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[06:50:28] <NetCraft> ^ 03Laser Dog Goggles Halloween Costume - YouTube
[06:52:39] <Konomi> http://boingboing.net
[06:52:39] <NetCraft> ^ 03Castelvania casemod - Boing Boing
[06:53:46] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[06:53:47] <NetCraft> ^ 03Paper Airplane Machine Gun / Papierflieger-Maschinenpistole - YouTube
[06:56:28] <chromas> doggles
[06:57:30] * Konomi closes the latest systemd post and just shakes her head
[06:57:38] <Konomi> whine whine whine
[06:58:11] <keplr> Are you a systemd supporter?
[06:58:58] <Konomi> I like it overall yes
[06:59:00] <chromas> is there something in between?
[06:59:01] <Konomi> I dislike some parts
[06:59:06] <Konomi> that's about all I have to say on it
[06:59:09] <chromas> "love it or bitch about it"
[06:59:22] <keplr> Are you a developer?
[06:59:36] <Konomi> why does it matter?
[07:00:18] <keplr> Just curious. Kernel actually seem less polarized
[07:00:26] <keplr> Linus himself doesn't mind systemd
[07:01:01] <Konomi> I have my foot half into the developer title so I'm not sure if yes or no is the correct answer to be honest ;p
[07:01:12] <Konomi> I don't mind it I get sick of the whining
[07:01:40] <Konomi> I wish it was more modular than it currently is (packaged wise in debian is what I base that observation on) otherwise I have little other complaints I can recall
[07:01:46] <keplr> My position is that I'll be against it as soon as I notice something negative
[07:02:11] <Konomi> the shim needs more work too
[07:03:08] <crutchy> konomi will be taking over linus' walking desk when he dies
[07:04:05] <keplr> Has anyone ever seriously thought about what happens when he dies?
[07:04:41] <crutchy> microsoft will be the sole benefactor
[07:04:50] <keplr> I'm in my early 20s, so most of my life will be post-Linus, assumming I survive a normal amount of time--and he doesn't become immortal.
[07:05:20] <crutchy> and we don't all turn into puppies from excess nuclear radiation
[07:05:37] <keplr> Unlikely
[07:05:57] <keplr> Radiation usually just kills you
[07:07:01] <crutchy> seems like not much will change when linus dies
[07:07:08] <crutchy> he doesn't even do much code lately
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[07:07:27] <keplr> He does guide the project
[07:07:35] <crutchy> shit that was quick
[07:07:43] <crutchy> how did you reconnect so quick?
[07:07:55] <keplr> I don't know
[07:08:18] <keplr> MacBook Air running Yosemite, Textual IRC client, shitty cable ISP
[07:08:36] <crutchy> if i didn't know any better i'd say you're a program, from the machine world
[07:08:56] <keplr> I wish. I'd save a lot of money on coffee
[07:09:11] <crutchy> coffee++ # for provocation :p
[07:09:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 926
[07:09:28] <keplr> and wine++
[07:09:30] <keplr> wine++
[07:09:31] <Bender> karma - wine: 3
[07:09:39] <keplr> Not the emulator, the beverage
[07:09:48] <keplr> Though it's not an emulator, shut up
[07:09:50] <keplr> yes it is
[07:10:26] * crutchy is thinking about having a go at a github scraper feed
[07:10:58] <crutchy> to alert when someone does something
[07:11:44] <crutchy> a gitfap feed
[07:11:54] <keplr> Goodluck with that
[07:14:18] <chromas> there's an api
[07:14:35] <chromas> and there're other bots you can jack code from
[07:14:45] <chromas> for example, systemd has a bot that does that :D
[07:15:18] <keplr> Of course it does
[07:15:34] <chromas> well I mean the irc channel, #systemd
[07:15:43] <chromas> though it probably runs as a service
[07:15:48] <chromas> soyvice
[07:15:52] <crutchy> nah it will be a homeyrolled scripty
[07:15:53] <keplr> It's an infiltration job by the DoD funded Red Hat corp to increase the attack surface of the Linux OS.
[07:16:35] <crutchy> hmm might at least look into the api though
[07:16:37] <chromas> if they're takin' the jerbs of other projects, wouldn't that be reducing the overall surface?
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[07:16:42] <crutchy> api's can be fun
[07:16:45] <chromas> aha!
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[07:16:51] <chromas> that's it
[07:17:07] <chromas> the real bitching about systemd is "they took muh jerb!"
[07:17:18] <keplr> Attack surface inceases by amount of running code
[07:17:24] <crutchy> they can do my jerb
[07:17:39] <keplr> systemd has been expanding immensely
[07:17:42] <crutchy> as long as i still get the monies :[
[07:17:48] <chromas> but they're not just increasing code, they're taking in other existing projects, like that console daemon
[07:18:07] <crutchy> konomi said they were kinda dead anyway
[07:18:22] <keplr> Do you trust Lennart and friends to be able to remake decades old projects with less bugs?
[07:18:31] <Konomi> I actually had my own patches for pm-utils
[07:18:34] <Konomi> just never followed them up
[07:18:54] <crutchy> i don't trust them any less than any other open source dev that i don't know from a bar of soap
[07:19:22] * chromas read somewhere that consoled is kmscon
[07:19:54] <Konomi> in the end it's open source
[07:19:59] <Konomi> so if they fuck up someone can fork it
[07:19:59] <chromas> ^
[07:20:01] <Konomi> so no need to worry
[07:20:19] <Konomi> they're also writing standards too you could reimplement them all if you really wanted
[07:21:13] <keplr> That's like saying, all of a modern Linux OS is open source, you can just remake all of it if you don't like something about it.
[07:21:21] <keplr> When it's a house of cards, that's a lot harder
[07:21:30] <Konomi> bit difference in magnitude on your comparassion
[07:21:32] <Konomi> it's an init
[07:21:35] <Konomi> not a whole distro
[07:21:45] <keplr> systemd is way more than an init system now
[07:22:13] <Konomi> it's an init and session manager ;p
[07:22:23] <Konomi> they're adding extras you don't have to use them.
[07:22:31] <keplr> Eventually it's going to be kernal, systemd, DE
[07:23:04] <Konomi> right after the lizard men start coding it more sure
[07:23:09] <crutchy> oh wow the github api is pretty easy
[07:23:28] <crutchy> https://api.github.com
[07:24:30] <keplr> Apple's launchd was open source, why didn't they adopt that?
[07:24:42] <ar> chromas: systemd is of poor quality and tries to replace working solutions with its own, dysfunctional, ones
[07:25:16] <ar> chromas: for example, the abomination of STRV
[07:25:33] <keplr> Apple is one of the best open source developers around, I wish the Linux community would utilize their contributions more
[07:26:02] <keplr> Eveyone uses CUPS at least
[07:26:16] <keplr> But who prints anything anymore
[07:26:27] * crutchy likes cupsdd
[07:28:06] <crutchy> we should start a soylentd replacement for systemd
[07:28:27] <crutchy> ...that eats your pyewta
[07:28:28] <keplr> It includes a news aggregator web server
[07:29:45] <keplr> I'm moving toward BSD anyway
[07:29:55] <chromas> ~define strv
[07:29:59] <keplr> My main storage server now runs FreeNAS
[07:30:07] <exec> strv: unable to find definition
[07:30:16] <keplr> Router is pfsense
[07:30:43] <ar> keplr: oh, the cups that they bought? or darwin-streaming-server that didn't really work ever?
[07:30:58] <crutchy> ~define-add strv, something to do with systemd
[07:30:58] <exec> definition for term "strv" set to "something to do with systemd"
[07:31:15] <ar> keplr: calendar-server is okayish, once you get it to work
[07:31:16] <keplr> They bought it and kept supporting it
[07:31:33] <chromas> I get stuff about Swedish tanks and a mobile application developer related to ycombinator
[07:31:41] <crutchy> buying software was the style at the time
[07:31:51] * crutchy hangs an onion on his belt
[07:31:51] * chromas gives crutchy an onion
[07:31:56] <ar> crutchy: strv is an abomination that's present in the code
[07:32:34] <keplr> old man yells at cloud computing
[07:32:34] <crutchy> ~define-add strv, the abominable snowcode in systemd
[07:32:35] <exec> definition for term "strv" set to "the abominable snowcode in systemd"
[07:34:18] <keplr> I have to drive 100km to work tomorrow morning ;_;
[07:34:47] <crutchy> i used to drive 60-odd kms daily
[07:34:54] <crutchy> (each way)
[07:35:13] <crutchy> 120kms/day
[07:35:14] <keplr> I'd relocate if that was ongoing
[07:35:19] <crutchy> i did :)
[07:35:41] <ar> if i'd really want to, i could work to work. but that would take around an hour and a half
[07:35:48] <ar> erm
[07:35:51] <ar> walk to work*
[07:36:04] <crutchy> i walk to work most days now. takes about 15 mins :D
[07:36:24] <keplr> Sounds amazing
[07:37:05] <crutchy> its about the only exercise i get, 'sides walking to/from printer occasionally
[07:37:29] <crutchy> and to the brew room to make coffee++
[07:38:13] <keplr> I wish I could combine my commute with my exercise
[07:38:29] <keplr> Have to spend an extra hour running 9km every day
[07:38:31] <chromas> ride a moped
[07:39:37] <keplr> Actually one of the doctors at my clinic used to bike to work, 20 miles each way
[07:39:51] <xar> biking is too much work
[07:40:02] * xar eats a donut.
[07:40:02] <keplr> He's an ultra-marathoner too
[07:40:09] <crutchy> zomg... xar and ar
[07:40:17] <crutchy> xar is not ar
[07:40:19] <chromas> better than having a fat doctor
[07:40:30] <chromas> or a dentist with bad breath
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[07:40:55] <crutchy> or a nurse with no tits
[07:41:30] <chromas> most do, but they have other, much larger rolls of fat
[07:41:33] <keplr> heh, that's the reason I get blood labs done every 6 months
[07:42:03] <xar> who's ar
[07:42:17] <crutchy> your arch nemesis
[07:42:26] <xar> O_o
[07:42:28] <crutchy> or ubuntu nemesis
[07:42:41] <keplr> I swear they only hire hot 20 year old phlebotamists
[07:42:43] <xar> ubuntu? bwahaha.
[07:42:59] <xar> people still using that toy? :D
[07:43:01] <chromas> perhaps one is a sockpuppet of the other. But which one?
[07:43:33] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[07:43:33] <NetCraft> ^ 03Matrix Runs on Windows XP - YouTube
[07:43:39] <keplr> I like my dentist so much I've started asking about HIS health, because I'm worried he won't be around much longer
[07:43:55] <crutchy> i use debian. does that mean i'm awesome?
[07:44:19] <xar> the short version, yes.
[07:44:41] <crutchy> keplr, does that reduce the bill?
[07:45:04] <keplr> No idea, it's fully covered
[07:47:17] <keplr> But I do wonder why medical workers don't get tips
[07:47:48] <chromas> Rabbis do
[07:48:47] <keplr> The hot asian girl who painlessly siphons off the blood from my arm three times a year deserves a gratuity. It's all I can do to stop from applauding
[07:49:20] <crutchy> that could be twisted in several ways
[07:49:33] <chromas> that's why he wants to tip her
[07:49:49] <keplr> by your leave
[07:50:53] <keplr> I'm actually against tipping culture in the contexts it exists
[07:51:25] <chromas> Yeah, you should only tip when they twist it in several ways
[07:51:26] <keplr> I go along with it but it causes me no small amount of psychic pain
[07:51:44] <ar> who's xar?
[07:51:58] <keplr> Under my preposed regime, pain = no tip
[07:52:04] <crutchy> your arch nemesis
[07:52:14] <ar> xar: we're using ubuntu at work, on production servers
[07:52:19] <chromas> You've both been in here for months and haven't seen each other
[07:52:49] <ar> xar: but sure, you can go play around with archlinux on your home box and call it server. i'm not going to stop you
[07:53:13] <keplr> ar: Ubuntu isn't much of a stable platform either
[07:53:26] <ar> keplr: LTS releases are stable platforms
[07:53:51] <keplr> You get 4 years, right?
[07:54:06] <ar> 12.04 is supposed to be supported up to 2017 or 2019
[07:55:02] <keplr> If someone asked me for a system that would work for a decade or more, I wouldn't even consider Linux
[07:56:01] <ar> i wouldn't consider windows. up until oracle happened, i would consider solaris. i never touched hp-ux or aix.
[07:56:07] <keplr> You're going to want BSD or something more insane like Solaris or HP-UX
[07:56:49] <ar> bsds… sure, they're stable. but you don't get support and you get inferior (to linux) hardware support
[07:57:22] <keplr> 10+ year time horizon usually means you have the budget for a developer to fix things for you
[07:58:26] <keplr> I really like Soalris, actually. But there's almost no one around with experience using it
[07:58:51] <keplr> They've all got stable jobs
[08:00:24] <ar> i used to have some solaris experience, but then i evacuated from that company and didn't really touch solaris since
[08:07:48] <keplr> I miss Sun
[08:08:24] <keplr> I wish they had become like Apple, producing a viable Unix OS
[08:08:37] <keplr> Their hardware was amazing
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[08:20:39] <ar> >apple
[08:20:43] <ar> >viable unix os
[08:20:46] <ar> hehe, nice joke
[08:21:33] <ar> i mean, i know they're certified unix, but really - it's a pita to make a usable unixy environment on osx
[08:32:18] <crutchy> debian_stable++
[08:32:18] <Bender> karma - debian_stable: 3
[08:32:42] <crutchy> it supports all ball mouses
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[10:08:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:08:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 927
[10:15:27] <crutchy> plague_inc++
[10:15:27] <Bender> karma - plague_inc: 1
[10:28:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
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[11:35:25] <ar> coffee--
[11:35:25] <Bender> karma - coffee: 926
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[11:45:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> I spose...
[11:46:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> maybe if I put a LTR override before every <a> tag?
[12:11:22] <crutchy> coffee++
[12:11:22] <Bender> karma - coffee: 927
[12:22:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, i need to quit screwing with bidirectional text thinking and get fudgeurl as working as it can be
[12:23:01] <crutchy> fudgeurl?
[12:23:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> does a bunch of miscellaneous things to links
[12:24:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> also kills unicode links so I had it short circuited.
[12:26:05] <crutchy> ~rehash
[12:26:09] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file (92 aliases)
[12:26:19] <crutchy> ~join #github
[12:26:34] <exec> process timed out: ~join #github
[12:26:45] <crutchy> hmm that's no good
[12:26:47] <crutchy> ~ps
[12:26:50] <exec> [21341] php scripts/bot.php 'new fappybird' '#Soylent' 'crutchy'
[12:26:51] <exec> [29551] php scripts/meeting.php 'exec' 'event-privmsg crutchy #Soylent hmm that'\''s no good' '' '1412670652.6641' '~meeting' 'INTERNAL'
[12:26:51] <exec> [29557] php scripts/sed.php 'PRIVMSG hmm that'\''s no good' 'crutchy' '#Soylent' '~sed-internal' 'INTERNAL'
[12:26:51] <exec> [29561] php scripts/privmsg.php 'hmm that'\''s no good' 'crutchy' '#Soylent'
[12:26:51] <exec> [29575] php scripts/meeting.php 'exec' 'event-privmsg crutchy #Soylent ~ps' '' '1412670652.6641' '~meeting' 'INTERNAL'
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[13:08:13] <weeds> good morning
[13:08:31] * Konomi gets the round up
[13:08:53] <juggs> morning weeds o/
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[13:14:38] <Popeidol> I only just realised that weeds is an anagram of swede
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[13:29:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> hahaha! suck it slashcode! i found where you're screwing me
[13:30:35] <juggs> like battling the hydra - only a few more heads to lop of!
[13:39:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> basically. it's using a dated sub regex that's not utf8-safe from a non-slash package.
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[13:55:51] <paulej72> looks like time for a cpan update to something better
[13:59:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i don't think it's feasible to stuff all url-safe characters into a regex. having to go about it a different way.
[13:59:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> would be one epically slow regex
[14:09:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh, i need a bytram
[14:10:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i more or less got it. had to do some jiggery-pokery and insert some LTR overrides to keep people from being able to totally screw up linking with rtl marks.
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[15:31:21] <arti> sounds neat
[15:31:38] <arti> $time_appropriate_greeting
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[16:51:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> nearly got this thing licked. going to put some code back in that i'd previously removed cause i figured out how to make it work.
[16:52:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> also went ahead and fixed the same bug in all the places it was rather than just comment links because i might as well while i still understand it.
[17:09:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> aaaand queue family obligations. of course. heavin forbid i should get this done today.
[17:41:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Supreme Court Asked to Review if APIs can be Copyrighted - http://sylnt.us - can't-touch-this
[17:51:31] <swiss> just remember, your job/work won't be there for you when you get old
[17:51:40] <swiss> and if you are a dick to your family, neither will they
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[20:45:32] <Leebert> I would love a -1, Entire Post in Pointless Monospace moderation option.
[20:46:05] <crutchy> that's what the AC checkbox is for ;p
[20:49:25] <chromas> monospace--
[20:49:25] <Bender> karma - monospace: -1
[20:50:07] <crutchy> sn should just be like one big terminal emulator :D
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[20:50:17] <crutchy> konomi would love that
[20:52:47] <Leebert> To be clear, I don't dislike monospace. It's people who insist on making their entire post monospace for no reason.
[20:52:55] <Leebert> It's probably the OCD.
[20:53:23] <crutchy> ./moderate --score=+1 --mod-desc="404 systemd not found"
[20:54:18] * chromas does dislike monospace, except for ascii (and Unicode) art
[20:55:06] <chromas> crutchy: moderatectl
[20:56:00] <crutchy> but chromas, imagine typing pascal without monospace!
[20:56:05] <crutchy> that would be just weird
[20:56:26] <chromas> or awesome
[20:56:58] <chromas> Imagine if indenting source code worked like it does in a word processor
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[20:59:14] <crutchy> ooh. that would be freaky
[20:59:45] <crutchy> clippy: it looks like you're trying to type a pascal program. would you like some help?
[21:00:07] <Dopefish> Nobody uses Pascal anymore
[21:00:17] <chromas> Why?
[21:00:31] <chromas> Nobody uses C either
[21:00:46] <Dopefish> Well it's a good educational tool. But it really isn't a language commonly used in business
[21:01:21] <Dopefish> My first coding languages were BASIC and some Pascal. So I do have a soft spot for the latter no doubt
[21:01:25] <blackmoore|afk> THere was Delphi..
[21:01:43] blackmoore|afk is now known as Blackmoore
[21:01:53] <Dopefish> That is true, but I tend to see more jobs for COBOL these days
[21:01:55] <Blackmoore> wich basically was Visual Pascal
[21:01:57] <chromas> Original Pascal wasn't that useful but Borland made it a big deal
[21:02:04] <Dopefish> True
[21:02:19] <Dopefish> Wow Borland. Haven't heard that name in a long time
[21:02:22] <chromas> Adding stuff from Modula for example
[21:02:33] <crutchy> all the delphi programmers have jobs :p
[21:02:37] <Blackmoore> brr.. modula.. that takes me back to college
[21:02:37] <Dopefish> Didn't they do the WATCOM complier?
[21:02:49] <chromas> Turbo C
[21:02:58] <chromas> They had a lot of Tubroness
[21:03:03] <Dopefish> Lol
[21:03:03] <ciri> lol damn!
[21:03:07] <chromas> if I could spell
[21:03:12] <Blackmoore> then again I learned cobol back then and i still refuse to ever write in the again
[21:03:15] <chromas> ~define Tubro
[21:03:20] <exec> [wikipedia] 3Tubro: Chorley FM is a radio station based in Chorley, Lancashire, England. The station was created by volunteers back in 2001 to broadcast a special two week licence in conjunction with the Midsummer Festiv...
[21:03:33] <Blackmoore> o.O
[21:03:37] <chromas> Well I learned something today
[21:04:11] <crutchy> that's why borland used turbo... cos tubro was taken
[21:04:20] <Dopefish> Hrhe
[21:04:24] <Blackmoore> lol
[21:04:41] <Dopefish> Anyway sorry I didn't mean to start a flamefest for no good reason
[21:05:01] <Blackmoore> I want "Explosive" .. Explosive C?
[21:05:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> boredom is a good reason
[21:05:05] <Dopefish> Haha
[21:05:34] <Dopefish> These days I hack around with Kornshell and the D programming language... but not in any meaningful amount
[21:05:34] <Blackmoore> and when your code fails to complile it sets off the detonator!
[21:06:26] <crutchy> Blackmoore, you have to use internet exploder to code explosive c
[21:06:43] <crutchy> its one of those new fangled browser languages
[21:07:15] <crutchy> instead of .js you make .shit files
[21:07:19] <chromas> Finally getting away from javascript huh
[21:09:03] <Dopefish> Asm.js
[21:09:25] <crutchy> the main library is explosive.shit
[21:10:40] <chromas> iArrhead
[21:10:52] <chromas> ^ an apple daemon
[21:21:49] <crutchy> tgif
[21:21:54] <crutchy> ~time
[21:21:55] <exec> Friday, 10 October 2014 @ 8:21 am GMT+11 - Traralgon VIC, Australia
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[21:45:55] <cykros> hrm, did the old site always have a job listings link?
[21:46:19] <cykros> i just noticed that...and it occurred to me that it's a fantastic way to monetize while ADDING value to a site rather than muddying it up with bullshit ads
[21:46:45] <cykros> nominal fee for a help wanted ad, and instead of blocking the ads, users interested flock TO them
[21:47:34] <cykros> not universally useful, but seems like something we could consider at some point...i'd certainly be interested in seeing how tenable it would be.
[21:49:07] <SirFinkus> so like dice?
[21:55:38] <Blackmoore> the old site gained the job listings just after the buyout by dice
[21:56:26] <Blackmoore> still a good idea.
[22:02:08] <chromas> we'll call ours spinner
[22:02:39] <Blackmoore> ok folks have a good weekend.
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[22:03:51] <Leebert> Hmmm. Should I be concerned that the "Software Engineering Division" is doing client-side image scaling of a huge image on their web site? http://aetd.gsfc.nasa.gov
[22:03:52] <NetCraft> ^ 03AETD - Software Engineering Division/Code 580
[22:04:36] <Leebert> They do, after all, provide "quality software products, services and expertise".
[22:04:36] <chromas> Nah, it just means it'll look good no matter the dpi of your display
[22:06:09] <Leebert> sigh
[22:06:58] <chromas> they should do client-side compositing too
[22:07:16] <chromas> the people should be in a png overlayed on the gradient backdrop
[22:08:25] <Leebert> Oh, yeah. It's a horribly hacked image.
[22:09:22] <Leebert> I'm guessing it's the usual "we have a summer intern, get them to update the website" thing. It just made me cringe, and I wanted to share the cringe.
[22:10:54] <chromas> Thanks a lot
[22:11:39] <chromas> At least it's not FrontPage ;)
[22:12:55] <Leebert> I could probably find you one. ;)
[22:14:18] <Leebert> Or, worse, something we have entirely too much of: ColdFusion.
[22:14:28] <Leebert> *shudder*
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[22:50:28] <chromas> Got an HD beeping at me :(
[22:50:31] <chromas> hdd
[22:50:44] <juggs> sounds ominous
[22:53:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> when did they start beeping?
[22:54:10] <chromas> probably a few days ago. It's a really quiet, short beep
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[22:54:42] <Ethanol-fueled> Unh.
[22:54:50] <chromas> just one deep once in a while. Guess it's got aids
[22:55:04] <Ethanol-fueled> what does, chromas?
[22:55:12] <chromas> an hdd
[22:55:30] <Ethanol-fueled> that sucks.
[22:55:43] <Ethanol-fueled> you can't cure HDD AIDS.
[22:56:06] <Ethanol-fueled> at least without a lot of carcinogenic chemicals.
[22:56:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> or an angle grinder
[22:57:01] <chromas> smarttools says there "might" be a firmware update too
[22:57:08] <Ethanol-fueled> Hey...no, wait, don't ! I'm sober! SOBER!!!
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[22:58:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> i need some kinda foods
[23:04:27] <chromas> smartctl says I should take it out back and shoot it; bury it next to old yeller
[23:10:17] <juggs> lots of bad blocks?
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[23:11:43] <chromas> Lots of Error 873 [8] occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 2559 hours (106 days + 15 hours)
[23:12:11] <chromas> with register dumps and stuff
[23:14:28] * chromas runs test
[23:14:59] <chromas> wait, where do the test results go?
[23:16:20] <juggs> they are kept on the drive (firmware or service sector) you can query them with smartctl -a if on linux - need to install smartmontools)
[23:17:04] <juggs> what make disk is it?
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[23:19:17] <chromas> It's a um, (cough)Western Digital Caviar Blue (SATA 6Gb/s)(/cough)
[23:19:21] <juggs> or use palimpsest if you want a gui tool
[23:19:37] <juggs> aha! ext4 formatted?
[23:19:43] <chromas> yep
[23:20:02] <chromas> Do they not like ext4 or are they just shitty drives?
[23:20:23] <juggs> take a look what smart value you have for 193 Load_Cycle_Count :D
[23:21:36] <chromas> -O--CK 200 200 000 - 410
[23:21:48] <chromas> research--
[23:21:48] <Bender> karma - research: -1
[23:27:09] <juggs> that's not bad at all. Not sure if still applies but there was a conflict between WD power saving an ext4 journalling where the drive would unload the heads to save power then immediately the ext4 journal process would kick in and make it load the heads again. I have one WD Green that got to over 500K cycles before I spotted the problem :D Still works mind you
[23:28:19] <chromas> I had one years back that sounded like it was turning itself off and on again; seemingly at random times
[23:28:52] <chromas> Toshibas or IBMs or something. One brand whose HDDs looked exactly like the other's
[23:28:52] <juggs> This solved it for me: http://idle3-tools.sourceforge.net
[23:29:10] <juggs> I think it's in the repos
[23:30:23] <juggs> I had to use it on the Blue in the lappy as well - that was exhibiting the same thing.
[23:31:36] <chromas> neato
[23:31:37] <chromas> thanks
[23:31:53] <juggs> 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 167 167 000 Old_age Always - 100931
[23:32:06] <juggs> ^^ that's the blue in the lappy :D
[23:32:46] <chromas> yeah what's the "Old_age" and "Pre-fail"? They seem to be different between hdds but all rows have it on all hdds
[23:33:48] <chromas> manpage is slightly helpful
[23:34:07] <juggs> ~shrug~ never bothered to find out the difference bewteen the two
[23:34:43] <chromas> Attributes are one of two possible types: Pre-failure or Old age. Pre-failure Attributes are ones which, if less than or equal to their threshold values, indicate pending disk failure. Old age, or usage Attributes, are ones which indicate end-of-product life from old-age or normal aging and wearout, if the Attribute value is less than or equal to the threshold. Please note: the fact that an Attribute is of type 'Pre-fail' does not mean that your disk is about to
[23:34:43] <chromas> fail! It only has this meaning if the Attribute's current Normalized value is less than or equal to the threshold value.
[23:36:26] <juggs> :D just reading the same in the man
[23:36:28] <chromas> So I guess they all have to be one bad thing or another
[23:38:13] <juggs> What's your Power_On_Hours value now?
[23:39:19] <chromas> 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 084 084 000 Old_age Always - 12118
[23:40:05] <chromas> # 1 Short offline Completed without error 00% 12118 -
[23:40:05] <chromas> # 2 Extended offline Completed: read failure 90% 2539 2303888
[23:40:05] <chromas> # 3 Short offline Completed: read failure 50% 2515 2303888
[23:40:10] <chromas> Doesn't sound too good
[23:41:03] <juggs> Certainly doesn't look healthy - hope you have backups :D
[23:41:36] <chromas> I'll just give everything to google
[23:44:11] <chromas> "Okay, Google; make me some family photos"
[23:50:43] * chromas gets even with the HDD by making moar salsa
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