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[01:34:54] * NCommander has auto insurance again; wha ta weird concept
[01:34:56] <NCommander> About to have a car again
[01:34:58] <NCommander> also a weird concept
[01:35:39] <juggs> good stuff - any idea what yet?
[01:35:45] <NCommander> Toyota RAV4
[01:35:51] <NCommander> I've got everything for it, just need to finish the paperwork
[01:36:04] <NCommander> First time I've owned transportation in over a year
[01:36:48] <NCommander> (well, ok, I *technically* still owned my old truck until January, but it was in a garage and in storage since June of last year)
[01:37:07] <juggs> nice. better than trying to cycle everywhere in winter :)
[01:37:27] <NCommander> Indeed. got a pretty epic deal on this RAV4 as well, and its in perfect condition aside from a large dent in the bumper
[01:37:31] <NCommander> Mechanically, it all checked out
[01:38:13] <juggs> Neat. Who gives feck about cosmetics - particularly if you intend to keep it a while
[01:38:21] <NCommander> That's the plan
[01:38:32] <NCommander> This November, driving Alaska->Oregon, then OR->New York, NY->FL
[01:38:58] <NCommander> my annual tradition of a transcontential drive remains intact :-)
[01:39:53] <juggs> good grief, that's racking up some miles. You moving again or just visiting peeps?
[01:40:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Debian GNU/kFreeBSD may be dropped from Debian 8 - http://sylnt.us - needs-a-systemd-port
[01:45:36] <chromas> SoylentTour
[01:50:09] <juggs> uh-oh ^^ that's not going to be another systemd froth fest in comments is it?
[01:50:41] * SpallsHurgenson doesn't need systemd when I have autoexec.bat :)
[01:51:21] <juggs> different versions of that and config.sys depending on which game you feel like playing I trust!
[01:53:21] <SpallsHurgenson> a boot-floppy for every occassion!
[01:54:20] <juggs> you can never have enough of those
[01:57:12] <Leebert> NCommander: OK, this is getting freaky.
[01:57:21] <Leebert> I drive transcontinental annually also.
[01:57:39] <Leebert> July or August. The past 3 years.
[01:58:12] * SpallsHurgenson sticks to living in areas with decent public transportation... driving is for chumps :)
[01:58:20] <Leebert> Been working for many years on driving the entire Interstate Highway System. Did I-70 in 2012, I-10 and I-40 in 2013, and I-80 and I-90 this year.
[01:58:35] <Leebert> (the astute road nerd will note that that is in ascending order of length.)
[01:58:58] <Leebert> Eh. I take good public transit on a daily basis.
[02:42:46] <chromas> http://soylentnews.org
[02:42:47] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN Submission by MrNemesis 03Belkin routers suddenly knocking users offline
[02:42:58] <chromas> Mine does that all the time. fpos
[02:43:40] <chromas> What's weird is, for me at least, connections still go through but DNS doesn't
[02:46:13] <SpallsHurgenson> real men hand-craft their packets individually :)
[02:46:37] <juggs> Are you using the Belkin as your DNS for your lan or something else chromas?
[02:47:06] <chromas> well I do have a tiny mouse-sized anvil sitting here
[02:47:07] <chromas> No
[02:47:38] <chromas> dunno what it does but it doesn't affect the 'DMZ' host
[02:48:52] <juggs> something getting stuffed up in the NAT tables most likely - presuming it's a typical soho router thing which expects to control all nat and dns caching for the lan it's on
[02:49:58] <chromas> it's a fpos but there's an xbox360 that 'needs' to be online and it insists on some sort of buttmagic beyond having the correct ports mapped
[02:50:24] <chromas> so I have a linux router as the dmz host
[02:51:13] <juggs> does the xbox expect to be able to open ports on the fly with upnp or some other bull-shittery? (not familiar with the things)
[02:51:52] <SpallsHurgenson> xb360 definitely does not need upnp
[02:52:47] <chromas> I mapped all the ports they say to (even 80 for some reason) and it didn't help. It can hit the server to tell me the status but not actually connect
[02:52:57] <chromas> and linux-igd appears to be dead
[02:53:09] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: you have it working?
[02:53:30] <juggs> I just fired up wireshark for a few minutes on my lappy (wanted to see what mint17 gets up to) - saw an interesting bunch of SSDP queries multicasting from an fpos old Thomson router I have on the LAN - then gave myself the willies watching how many corps PaleMoon contacts when you simply open and close it with about:blank as the home page :/
[02:53:43] <SpallsHurgenson> its hooked up to another consumer-grade router; didn't have to do anything special to get it working
[02:54:47] <chromas> Maybe if I used smoothwall or something
[02:54:47] <juggs> chromas, is your isp using CGNAT ?
[02:54:50] <chromas> no
[02:55:20] <chromas> juggs: browser extensions?
[02:55:49] <juggs> none at all in pale moon at the moment.
[02:56:27] <chromas> oh yeah, mint
[02:56:34] <juggs> Think it might be the search handlers or something - it's hitting up google and amazon plus some other idds n sods on both start up and exit.
[02:56:50] <juggs> I'll dig into it tomorrow.
[02:57:34] <juggs> It's all TLS so can't see what it's transmitting :(
[02:57:38] <chromas> someone should take smoothwall and extract the firewall part and make it a package for other distros
[02:57:58] <chromas> maybe ask the nsa
[03:01:46] <SpallsHurgenson> heh, I remember using smoothwall on an old PC; I think it was a P100
[03:02:36] <juggs> maybe worth a look at shorewall or CSF (configserver firewall). CSF is not GPL though IIRC
[03:04:00] <juggs> CSF also has a lot of gumph related to do with cPanel server firewalling - but it does most other stuff anyways.
[03:08:14] <juggs> oh - El Reg has a piece on the Belkin router meltdown. http://www.theregister.co.uk
[03:08:14] <NetCraft> ^ 03Countless Belkin routers go TITSUP in massive mystery meltdown • The Register
[03:08:40] <chromas> according to the Belkin site they have it fixed
[03:09:39] <juggs> Check for updates I guess as Belkin say they have it "fixed for all routers". Not sure if they use CWMP (TR-069) for pushing updates or what
[03:09:53] <juggs> lol - is there an echo in here?
[03:11:19] <juggs> ooh - when did NetCraft usurp monopoly?
[03:11:57] <chromas> When we needed confirmation
[03:12:41] <juggs> confirmation of what? lost me
[03:12:55] <chromas> You know, "NetCraft confirms it!"
[03:13:04] <chromas> the ol' /. meme
[03:14:00] <chromas> This router's from ~2008; it won't even connect to the update server
[03:16:39] <chromas> Been awhile since the last story. Need to get that Belkin story out while it's still too late
[03:17:53] <juggs> noodle's forbid you run a router more than 2 years and expect updates!
[03:18:10] <chromas> I don't think it ever got any
[03:18:38] <chromas> There was an update for similar models but not that specific one
[03:18:43] <juggs> I'm contemplating a major restructure here - too much crufty stuff hanging around for my liking
[03:19:06] <juggs> here as in home - not here as in irc :D
[03:19:16] * NetCraft whews
[03:19:41] <chromas> Been doing that here too. Going to have a stuffed trash can for the next few weeks and a couple dump runs
[03:20:37] * SpallsHurgenson schedules a trash run at chromas's place :)
[03:20:49] * SpallsHurgenson could always use more cruft :)
[03:21:49] <chromas> We have some small crt video monitors and stuff
[03:22:16] <SpallsHurgenson> I miss my CRT monitors
[03:22:28] <chromas> ~5" or so
[03:22:31] <SpallsHurgenson> you cant put stuff on top of flatscreens :(
[03:22:45] <SpallsHurgenson> well, you can but it just falls off :)
[03:22:53] <chromas> True. Cat used to like sleeping on the heat box of a monitor
[03:23:25] <juggs> need a scsi controller SpallsHurgenson? Must be getting on 15 - 20 years old. Can't even remember if it is a wide controller or what - even have the stupidly long cable for it with a bajillion connectors.
[03:23:41] * SpallsHurgenson has an ISA and PCI SCSI card in the stash, thank you :)
[03:23:57] <juggs> damn, I'll never offload that thing
[03:24:14] <juggs> floppy drives?? ide cd-rom drives?
[03:24:26] <juggs> ne-2000 nics?
[03:25:01] <SpallsHurgenson> I have a CD-ROM, CD-RW, DVD, and a DVD-RW, thanks :)
[03:25:22] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, an some sort of external USB optical drive, dunno what type anymore :)
[03:25:37] <SpallsHurgenson> so I'm good :)
[03:26:12] <SpallsHurgenson> also got a SCSI ZIP, Parallel ZIP and an IDE Zip drive... and one of those LS/120 floppy drives :)
[03:27:19] <chromas> Hey, how about those mid-90s monitors, with the giant volume knobs?
[03:27:36] <juggs> uch - I just googled SCSI and stumbled on a history of page - all the talk of terminators and such like made me feel nauseous. wide or ultra-wide?? etc. I don't miss that.
[03:28:17] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, thank god that SCSI is mostly dead-and-gone
[03:31:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Belkin Routers Suddenly Knocking Users Offline - http://sylnt.us - worse-than-failure
[03:32:50] <juggs> ~shrug~ was fine at the time - only really dealt with it on nt3.x and nt4 servers - better than the alternatives then. The relentless march of tech.
[03:46:17] * juggs sighs at the cost of my next pc build
[03:47:40] <SpallsHurgenson> I hear you can get a bunch of free components from in front of chromas' place :)
[03:48:50] <chromas> If you want to build a case out of winmodems or a hammock out of ide ribbon cables...
[03:52:02] <juggs> uhhhhh no - that won't cut it for what I have in mind :P
[03:53:57] <chromas> oh and enough pin jumpers to make an hourglass
[03:54:22] <chromas> or maracas
[03:56:00] <juggs> I want a jumper back to enable bios flash and reset abilities.
[03:56:20] * juggs sulks in the corner while motherboard manufacturers ignore
[03:56:21] * chromas still has a biod
[03:56:38] <chromas> s/d/s and a reset button/
[03:56:38] <SedBot9000> <chromas> still has a bios and a reset button
[03:57:28] <juggs> does it double as a space heater too?
[03:58:12] <chromas> only when rendering
[04:03:23] <juggs> render in the winter :D
[04:19:02] * juggs pokes paulej72, TheMightyBuzzard, NCommander, crutchy - can we generate a graph of comments per article against time. Subjectively it feels like it's ever been on the up, but it would be interesting to see it actually charted.
[04:19:14] <juggs> mass ping for the wing
[04:19:22] <NCommander> juggs, there's one in slashcode ... somewhere
[04:19:25] * NCommander pages paulej72
[04:24:23] <juggs> I'd imagine he's sleeping NC. Just a thought that came to mind as I scroll the site - seem to be getting busier - but that may just be my perception.
[05:16:18] <mythterj> anybody know what these magical security features are the Google claims thunderbird is missing: https://support.google.com
[05:16:18] <NetCraft> ^ 03Allowing less secure apps to access your account - Accounts Help
[05:22:35] <juggs> quick scan - mebbe perfect forward secrecy for key exchange on TLS secured IMAP connections? Google seems to be going heavy on the "we're going to encrypt every bit of traffic internally and with our users as best we can - so FU snoopers". I am not sure why they are doing this, perhaps it's for PR, perhaps they are sick and tired of the data access requests... who knows? But it's interesting watching the chess game play out.
[05:23:24] <SpallsHurgenson> or possibly because those clients can be used in pop3 modes
[05:24:14] <mythterj> Just ran into this today, while setting up a gmail account in Thunderbird. Its already SSL, so I can't imagine why a brand spanking new version of Tbird would't qualify.
[05:25:59] <SpallsHurgenson> but probably to discourage using email clients so instead people use the web client and see all the adverts :)
[05:26:49] <juggs> Check the supported key exchange mechanisms mytherj - I put $10 bucks on forward secrecy being the deal breaker. Then write us up an article on how google stuck it too the man - because they got the lawyers to take it :S
[05:29:04] <juggs> Google is playing a move with this encryption stuff and it's interesting.
[05:32:51] <chromas> Could install google anal ytics :D
[05:33:19] <mythterj> That old button that said Check what the server supports seems to be gone from Tbird.
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[05:33:53] <mythterj> Going to be difficult to figure out exactly what it is looking forl.
[05:35:23] * juggs whacks cromas
[05:36:15] <juggs> mythterj, what version of thunderbird? And accessing a gmail account?
[05:36:32] <juggs> imap / pop / what?
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[05:37:33] * juggs whacks chromas - if at first you don't succeed - try, try again... confirm the fail
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[05:38:04] * chromas accepts the first whack; second is modded (Score 1, Redundant)
[05:38:25] * chromas is using kmail with imap for gmail and hotmail
[05:38:29] <juggs> 1st was mis-aimed - was a collateral damage
[05:38:45] <chromas> take it up with the metamods
[05:39:46] <juggs> I will once the feathered one builds it, which depends on some agreement on what we want meta-mod to be
[05:40:11] <chromas> anything people can't figure out how to game
[05:40:33] <juggs> anything can be gamed
[05:41:19] <chromas> when they figure it out, then sneakily change it
[05:41:30] <chromas> over and over until it becomes beta and they all leave
[05:41:58] * juggs whacks mytherj for information to put on posit to delve into post horizontalism
[05:42:28] <chromas> Ask Harley
[05:42:39] <juggs> ahh - the whack-a-mole strategy
[05:43:18] * chromas is reminded of Harley Quinn when seeing the name mythterj
[05:43:45] <chromas> I'm about 40,000 levels behind in irpg. Why did I even login again?
[05:45:08] <juggs> I have no idea who or what Harley Quinn is (a person? a motorbike?), nor why I would care.
[05:45:37] <chromas> Not much up on pop culture
[05:45:51] <chromas> NERD!!
[05:48:51] <mythterj> juggs, it was tbird 31.1.0 (opensuse) and it was a stand gmail account. It refused to allow me to log in, insisting it had a password failure. So logged in on the web and had a message from Google directing me to the page i posted. All other gmail accounts worked fine.
[05:50:53] <mythterj> And just for the record, that version of tbird supports two factor authentication now.
[05:51:20] <Popeidol> yeah, gmail is annoyingly strict if you try to log in from something like that
[05:51:20] <juggs> chromas, never was much one for pop culture.
[05:51:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Jihadists Use Water as a Weapon in Iraq - http://sylnt.us - tell-me-of-the-waters-of-your-home-world-Usul
[05:51:35] <Popeidol> for about a year I just couldn't log in from finch
[05:52:05] <Popeidol> now they at least provide an option to fix it, but the option is 'disable all extra security measures on your account'
[05:53:02] <juggs> mythterj, thanks for the info, noted. I'll have a dig around tomorrow once I have slept.
[05:54:40] <mythterj> This restriction only seems to come into play when adding an account to tbird. Existing accounts all worked fine.
[05:55:18] <Popeidol> mythterj: devices that worked prior to their security changes were not affected, it's only when you attempted to connect new devices to the account
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[05:55:53] <Popeidol> I think they still let you use single-app passwords but only if you sign up for two factor auth
[05:56:12] <swiss> so who read the scorpion AMA
[05:57:26] <mythterj> This was an email account I just use to read lnux mailing lists. So I'm not even using 2 factor on it. But I do use imap with ssl. But it was the first time I tried it on this machine.
[05:58:27] <juggs> So maybe fair enough - new device attempting to access account - please auth?
[05:58:38] <Popeidol> mythterj: https://support.google.com
[05:58:38] <NetCraft> ^ 03'Application-specific password required'. - Gmail Help
[05:59:18] <mythterj> App specific passwords are only needed if you use two factor.
[05:59:37] <mythterj> The account giving me problems does not use two factor.
[06:00:33] <Popeidol> agreed, but that's often the fastest way to work around the problem you're experiencing
[06:02:20] <juggs> but for non-2FA account not a path they should be pushed into. Logic fail.
[06:02:32] <mythterj> Once I found out the Google Authenticator app would handle multiple accounts, I started converting all my Gmail accounts to 2factor. I might do it with this one now that tbird handles 2factor without app-specific passwords.
[06:03:28] <Popeidol> juggs: it annoys the hell out of me as well
[06:05:14] <juggs> Tie an acct to your 2FA it ties it to you and any other account associated. This smells like an attempt to push non 2FA accounts to reveal their hand and identify so they can be correlated with others. Not surprising.
[06:05:51] <mythterj> Wait, what?
[06:06:16] <mythterj> individual accounts set to 2f do not become associated with each other.
[06:07:21] <mythterj> The 2f authenticator app can handle multiple accounts and give a different 6 digit code for each.
[06:07:34] <Popeidol> one time I tried: set up 2FA on account, connect from untrusted program, disable 2FA, and hope that it is now a program trusted by google
[06:07:37] <Popeidol> no dice
[06:07:58] <mythterj> Shit, google already knows who they all belong to, I poll them from the same IP.
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[06:13:51] <juggs> mythterj, I welcome you to explore Myanmar / Burmese IP space - soooo many individuals appearing from the same IP - IP address has not been a way to identify an individual for a long time now. You pumping N gmail accounts into the same authenticator instance - heavily weights those accounts as being the same individual.
[06:13:56] <juggs> oh
[06:14:19] <KonomiNetbook> how many registrations does the site have now x.x
[06:15:37] <juggs> !uid
[06:15:38] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4776, owned by ataradov
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[06:16:32] <juggs> KonomiNetbook, you got volunteered for something earlier - get on it :D
[06:16:45] <KonomiNetbook> eh what/
[06:16:55] <juggs> lol
[06:16:55] <ciri> it's not that funny :)
[06:17:31] <juggs> A non FUD systemd piece.
[06:17:35] * KonomiNetbook hopes that is a joke
[06:17:42] <KonomiNetbook> oh god no way
[06:17:51] <KonomiNetbook> 10 foot pole that is all
[06:18:08] <juggs> didn't think you'd bite
[06:18:37] <KonomiNetbook> i'm more worried about getting bitten for that then biting ;p
[06:18:43] <crutchy> Microsoft System32DD Vista
[06:18:57] <KonomiNetbook> gotta go laters
[06:21:00] <crutchy> ~uid
[06:21:03] <exec> The current maximum UID is 4776, owned by ataradov
[06:21:21] <chromas> There's always submitting as Anon
[06:21:27] <juggs> things must be bad if Konomi is scared :)
[06:22:07] <crutchy> ISIL is really an anti-systemd movement
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[06:27:43] <juggs> that's in poor taste crutchy
[06:28:08] <chromas> sounds like systemd is pretty serious then
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[06:37:21] <juggs> oh yes - so serious it almost overwhelmed gamergate - so far on the serious scale I think it registered 1.1
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[07:06:07] <crutchy> sorry juggs. when i pressed enter i wondered whether it might go down like a tonne of bricks :/
[07:07:05] <chromas> if in doubt, send to # :)
[07:07:17] <crutchy> not that i agree in any way with what they're doing, but i don't agree with what the US and its allies are (and have been) doing either, so to me its not such a sensitive subject
[07:08:27] <crutchy> i guess in the US its prolly pretty sensitive, so yeah i'll leave it at that
[07:12:37] <juggs> crutchy, no need
[07:12:50] <juggs> heh
[07:13:04] <crutchy> how ya been anyway juggs, and chromas?
[07:13:17] <crutchy> any chaos and mahem today?
[07:13:27] <crutchy> or, err tonight
[07:15:12] * crutchy is trying to hunt down tmb's api stuff on github
[07:16:15] <crutchy> heh i think i found it
[07:16:23] * crutchy saves bookmark
[07:18:44] <juggs> crutchy, no need to apologise to me. I'm no guru on what IS is up to, but I see Turkey doing nothing when they could send forces south, but yeh, there's some Kurds in the way, so they hold back. The whole thing is a sick dance that comes back to Versailles and no fucker takes responsibility for the utter misery on the ground. As a brit I am shamed.
[07:24:30] <chromas> crutchy: is it on his own account?
[07:27:24] <chromas> ah found it too
[07:27:37] <crutchy> juggs, a lot of whats going on in the middle east is caused by western policy. i don't pretend i know what its like, but i can imagine living in a country thats been invaded twice by a hostile superpower would lead to some resentment
[07:28:20] <crutchy> chromas, do you know the diff between a pl and a pm?
[07:28:38] <crutchy> besides the shr in the second char :p
[07:28:49] <chromas> pm is a perl module
[07:29:53] <chromas> kind of looks like they're only slightly different
[07:31:49] <chromas> isn't conflict in the middle east the main theme of the old testament?
[07:32:02] <crutchy> pl is what you type into the address bar, yeah?
[07:32:16] <crutchy> maybe pm is like a lib file or something
[07:32:33] <chromas> I think it's kind of like a pascal unit
[07:33:07] <crutchy> maybe a half assed pascal unit :p
[07:33:08] <chromas> http://stackoverflow.com
[07:33:10] <crutchy> pascal++
[07:33:10] <Bender> karma - pascal: 32
[07:33:14] <chromas> pascal++
[07:33:14] <Bender> karma - pascal: 33
[07:33:31] <chromas> borland pascal
[07:33:37] <chromas> 'cause original didn't have it
[07:33:47] <chromas> borland++
[07:33:47] <Bender> karma - borland: 1
[07:37:24] * chromas herps a derp
[07:37:45] <chromas> thought I found it but I was just looking at an 'api' that was already there
[07:37:57] <chromas> shoulda looked at the date on it
[07:38:07] * crutchy performs the herplich maneuver on chromas
[07:38:28] <crutchy> https://github.com
[07:39:05] <crutchy> tmb has trees coming out of his trees
[07:39:20] <chromas> well no wonder. That's not in the directory list
[07:40:03] <crutchy> tmb's tree is well endowed
[07:40:07] <chromas> github--
[07:40:07] <Bender> karma - github: 0
[07:41:12] * crutchy chokes on tmb's tree... https://github.com
[07:41:12] <NetCraft> ^ 03Network Graph · TheMightyBuzzard/slashcode · GitHub
[07:42:12] <chromas> ah that's what it is. gotta select a branch
[07:42:31] <chromas> chromaS--
[07:42:31] <Bender> karma - chromas: 43
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[07:42:44] * crutchy offers chromas some of tmb's tree
[07:44:07] * crutchy has nfi why he just forked tmb's slashcode repository... kinda implies that i'm gunna be able to contribute... bahahahahahaahaha!!
[07:45:07] <crutchy> maybe i can do a commit that includes a few extra empty lines >;-)
[07:48:25] <chromas> http://threatpost.com
[07:48:26] <NetCraft> ^ 03Tyupkin ATM Malware Discovered by Kaspersky Lab | Threatpost | The first stop for security news
[07:48:31] <chromas> Check out that artwork
[07:49:40] <chromas> so they install the malware, then boot from the cd. What
[07:49:56] <chromas> But it looks exactly like what was reported months ago
[07:50:45] <crutchy> but it has a smiley mule
[07:50:58] <crutchy> thats newsworthy
[07:51:07] <chromas> we should submit it and see how many people cry dupe
[07:51:33] <crutchy> just post the smiley mule tile :p
[07:51:36] <chromas> actually I thought they were using USB mass storage before. Now they've upgraded to optical discs
[07:51:43] <chromas> lol
[07:51:51] <chromas> at the very least, use it as the icon
[07:52:13] <crutchy> pretty soon they'll advance to 3.5" floppies
[07:52:35] <crutchy> nobody will suspect a thing
[07:52:51] <chromas> hehe
[07:53:06] <chromas> reminds me of when movies used to have the incriminating data on floppies
[07:53:25] <crutchy> minidisc is the spy medium
[07:53:27] <chromas> One had video…on a 3½" floppy
[07:53:55] <crutchy> that smiley is a frame from such video
[07:53:55] <chromas> actually I think The Negotiator had audio on floppies; that's a little more realistic
[07:55:07] <crutchy> it used to be that spies waited for files to copy to disk... now they wait for windows to stop popping up stupid ACL messages
[07:56:18] <chromas> "What you're asking needs permissions, so we're going to ask. Is that okay?" Yes
[07:56:29] <chromas> "Okay, so now you need to give permission. Is that okay?" Yes
[07:56:35] <chromas> "Are you sure you want to do this?"
[07:56:53] <chromas> windows_vista--
[07:56:53] <Bender> karma - windows_vista: 0
[07:57:51] <crutchy> "windows update needs to restart your computer, right at the moment when you're hacking a government website with a gun to your head and getting a bj from halley berry... it is recommended that you restart now, or you can restart in 5 minutes, or 10 minutes."
[07:58:12] <crutchy> "or right as you blow your load"
[07:58:31] <chromas> see that's the drawback to watching movies on tv; they cut out the good parts
[07:59:11] <chromas> Haha, I remember seeing Fled on USA years ago; there's a strip-tease scene and they had a shaped black mask around the nudity
[07:59:18] <crutchy> yeah i missed the windows update part too. i heard it on good authority from reddit
[07:59:26] <chromas> (USA is an NBC-owned tv channel here)
[08:00:03] <chromas> oh, the mask was shaped to look like she was wearing clothes
[08:00:12] <crutchy> that's just sad
[08:00:30] <crutchy> in europe its prolly hard to find a tv show where people have clothes
[08:00:40] <crutchy> or maybe thats japan.
[08:00:56] <chromas> Probably the censor guy got a little carried away after he made a mess on the keyboard
[08:01:28] <crutchy> yeah... that mask wasn't what you thought it was
[08:01:46] <chromas> Our ideas of obscenity are weird but if we don't censor stuff then people wanna sue
[08:02:18] <chromas> although technically anything on cable/satellite doesn't have to bow to FCC obscenity rules
[08:02:45] <crutchy> seems like there's a lot of religious kooks over there, like other places too i guess
[08:03:53] <crutchy> but some of the "scientists" and "atheists" seem like religious kooks too
[08:04:00] <crutchy> bill maher for example
[08:04:05] <chromas> Getting away with frivolous lawsuits are part of our culture I guess
[08:04:15] <chromas> true
[08:04:34] <chromas> we even reference it in our media
[08:05:15] <crutchy> but then there's gems like penny from big bang, and suddenly american trash seems ok again :p
[08:05:28] <chromas> There's an episode of Married…With Children where a burgler sues the main characters for sexual assault while he was robbing them. At the end, the dad punches the guy in court and wins a suit for hurting his hand on his face
[08:05:42] <crutchy> lol
[08:05:43] <ciri> HEY! don't laugh at me
[08:05:54] <crutchy> married_with_children+
[08:05:58] <crutchy> +
[08:05:59] <chromas> I don't understand why she looks better on the tv show than in the expensive priceline ads
[08:06:14] <crutchy> priceline ads?
[08:06:44] <chromas> http://cdn.ientry.com
[08:06:50] <chromas> I think her hair looks kind of shitty there
[08:06:53] <chromas> by comparison
[08:07:39] <chromas> not finding that old atm story in the soylent search. atm doesn't appear anywhere I guess and my submission history's gone. oh well
[08:09:16] <crutchy> its a coverup
[08:09:22] <chromas> lol
[08:09:34] <crutchy> you should sue
[08:09:49] <chromas> oh they attached a cellphone with tethering and remoted into it
[08:10:05] <chromas> http://soylentnews.org
[08:10:06] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN article 03 Texting ATMs for Cash Shows Cybercriminals' Sophistication 04(14 comments)
[08:10:12] <chromas> a lot of comments there
[08:10:21] * chromas only submits filler :)
[08:10:51] <crutchy> throw an anvil at nc and then claim that nc hurt the anvil's feelings at caused it emotional trauma and now you have to care for the anvil through tumultuous times
[08:11:09] <chromas> lol
[08:11:46] <crutchy> a few million $ should do it :D
[08:12:37] <chromas> but he's got more money than me so his lawyer will bring evidence that I paid the anvil to lie on the stand
[08:12:59] <chromas> http://media.tumblr.com
[08:13:20] <crutchy> that would be false because the stand would require reinforcement for the anvil to lie on it
[08:14:19] <crutchy> then you could countersue for attempted slander of the anvil
[08:14:29] <chromas> anvil-tolerant reinforced stands are patented by Lennert Poettering
[08:14:37] <crutchy> lol
[08:14:47] <crutchy> anvilctl
[08:15:18] <chromas> careful, that command has a lot of weight behind it
[08:15:28] <crutchy> :D
[08:15:48] <crutchy> dammit my brain just farted and it stinks
[08:16:22] <chromas> how do I have comic sans ms installed?
[08:16:22] <ciri> doing great here
[08:16:30] <chromas> must have win fonts or something
[08:17:19] <chromas> ciri: how are you?
[08:18:07] <crutchy> hmm. do you have windows?
[08:18:21] <crutchy> i think you can just copy the ttf file
[08:18:22] <chromas> :\ Libreoffice doesn't load my 'personal' fonts
[08:18:39] <chromas> I have the font; that's why I was shocked and appalled
[08:19:04] <chromas> most distros have a package to pull in the free windows fonts so I must have it installed
[08:19:13] <crutchy> not sure about arch, but i gotta copy ttfs to /usr/share/fonts
[08:19:36] <chromas> I've got a heap of fonts I pulled from my Corel Draw 8 disc but it won't see them
[08:19:57] <crutchy> do you know where the installed fonts are kept?
[08:20:57] <chromas> ~/.local/share/fonts/
[08:21:45] <crutchy> hmm. even system fonts?
[08:22:02] <chromas> nah, those are just the ones I pulled from a CD. KDE sees them
[08:22:10] <crutchy> ah
[08:22:13] <chromas> libreoffice is broken here anyhow. The document looks fine but the menu and stuff have colored text, like the subpixel AA is broken
[08:22:22] <crutchy> oh
[08:22:28] <chromas> must be time to reinstall :D
[08:22:34] <crutchy> what about oo?
[08:22:45] <crutchy> even though that's the enemy now
[08:23:55] <chromas> there's a package for it; could try I suppose
[08:23:57] <crutchy> virtualbox++
[08:23:57] <Bender> karma - virtualbox: 1
[08:24:40] <chromas> could also use calligra office but its font rendering is even worse because it double-antialiases document text and they haven't fixed it in years
[08:25:06] <chromas> plus it has that ms office style thing where you can't just get a blank document
[08:25:31] <crutchy> can't get a blank document?
[08:25:50] * crutchy suffers ms office at work. must admit i never had that problem
[08:26:04] <crutchy> plenty of other problems, but not that one :p
[08:28:08] <chromas> yeah I can't even find a screenshot of it. Anyhow, most programs just give you a blank document but it has some weird thing where it shows templates and stuff
[08:29:00] <chromas> Templates. In Blank Document it's got "Colorful Document", "Fax Template" and "Professional Letter"
[08:29:49] <chromas> irciv++
[08:29:49] <Bender> karma - irciv: 2
[08:30:15] * crutchy opens lo write
[08:30:36] <crutchy> lol /me doesn't have lo write installed :p
[08:30:52] <chromas> calligra's the dumb one
[08:31:02] <chromas> used to be KOffice, of the KDE umbrella
[08:31:25] <crutchy> whatever happened to staroffice?
[08:31:39] <chromas> I think that became openoffice
[08:31:46] <crutchy> ah
[08:31:56] <chromas> I remember there were some people who thought staroffice let you run windows programs on linux
[08:32:11] <chromas> must be because it looked like a windows desktop at the time
[08:33:00] * crutchy opens gedit
[08:35:28] <Konomi> btw crutchy the systemd sessions were made to replace other sessions since there were tons of varities of sessions before
[08:36:49] <ar> Konomi: systemd was made to displace and cripple everything else
[08:37:03] <chromas> fight fight fight!
[08:37:05] * crutchy doesn't know what systemd sessions are
[08:37:36] <Konomi> the thing you removed last night ;p
[08:37:52] <crutchy> oh that login thingy was a session
[08:37:58] <Konomi> mnmm hmm ;p
[08:38:09] <crutchy> is dbus a session too?
[08:38:38] <chromas> dbus is interprocess communication, for controlling things and stuff
[08:38:45] <crutchy> jebusd
[08:38:48] <chromas> crutchy: you could add dbus support to exec isntead of pipes :D
[08:39:01] <chromas> ~define isntead
[08:39:11] <crutchy> botctl
[08:39:17] <exec> isntead: unable to find definition
[08:39:29] <Konomi> here's some of the benifits according to gnome
[08:39:30] <Konomi> https://wiki.gnome.org
[08:39:31] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 0303ThreePointThirteen/Features/SystemdUserSession - GNOME Wiki!
[08:39:55] * chromas thought there was a command called fontconfig
[08:40:09] <crutchy> i don't mind systemd if it makes my pyewta more awsomesauce
[08:40:21] <crutchy> i'm not a religious kook about it
[08:40:40] <crutchy> except xorg. those guys need to die!
[08:40:44] <chromas> /kick crutchy for hypokookoness
[08:41:07] <crutchy> hypokookoness++
[08:41:07] <Bender> karma - hypokookoness: 1
[08:41:08] <Konomi> there is
[08:41:11] <chromas> ":irc.sylnt.us 403 NetCraft crutchy :No such channel"
[08:41:14] <Konomi> what do you want to do to your fonts?
[08:41:17] <chromas> bot--
[08:41:17] <Bender> karma - bot: -1
[08:41:24] <Konomi> ciri--
[08:41:24] <Bender> karma - ciri: 4
[08:41:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Nanoparticles Break the Symmetry of Light - http://sylnt.us - room-at-the-bottom
[08:41:47] <crutchy> he wants to make them sexy, so that it doesn't detract from the pr0nz
[08:41:59] <chromas> Libreoffice doesn't show my fonts in ~/.local/share/fonts/ so I thought maybe I could run it to update it or something
[08:42:06] <chromas> Everything else sees the fonts
[08:42:32] <Konomi> fc-cache -r -v
[08:42:34] <Konomi> should do that
[08:42:39] <chromas> I have fontconfig installed but no fontconfig bin
[08:42:40] <chromas> ah
[08:43:02] <Konomi> what flavour of linux are you running chromas ?
[08:43:07] <chromas> Konomi++
[08:43:07] <Bender> karma - konomi: 22
[08:43:11] <chromas> arch
[08:43:36] <crutchy> Konomi's brain is one with shell
[08:43:46] <Konomi> do
[08:43:52] <chromas> didn't help plus it says it failed
[08:43:56] <Konomi> pacman -Ql | grep 'bin/'
[08:44:00] <Konomi> erm
[08:44:04] <Konomi> pacman -Ql fontconfig | grep 'bin/'
[08:44:05] <Konomi> to get bins
[08:44:11] <chromas> /var/cache/fontconfig not cleaning unwriteable cache directory
[08:44:11] <Konomi> helps you find stuff
[08:44:19] <ar> arch has a problem of having systemd integrated and non-removable
[08:44:22] <Konomi> need root for that
[08:44:25] <Konomi> rerun with sudo
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[08:44:32] <Konomi> you said user dir so I never said to use sudo
[08:44:36] <crutchy> konomi-shell-fu-ctl --start awesomenessd
[08:44:44] <chromas> ah, they're all fc-*
[08:44:59] <chromas> Konomi++ # for awesomesauce and pinging her terminal
[08:44:59] <Bender> karma - konomi: 23
[08:45:07] <Konomi> ._.
[08:45:09] <Konomi> all these pings
[08:45:13] <ar> konomi++
[08:45:13] <Bender> karma - konomi: 24
[08:45:17] <ar> tea++\
[08:45:19] <Konomi> command for debian is
[08:45:19] <ar> erm
[08:45:21] <ar> tea++
[08:45:21] <Bender> karma - tea: 67
[08:45:28] <Konomi> dpkg -l fontconfig | grep '/bin'
[08:45:31] <silverly> pizza++
[08:45:31] <Bender> karma - pizza: 14
[08:45:35] <Konomi> and debian ish systems
[08:45:37] <Konomi> pizza++
[08:45:37] <crutchy> she'll fix it for you chromas... you just have to give her root ssh access
[08:45:38] <Bender> karma - pizza: 15
[08:45:38] <chromas> libreoffice--
[08:45:38] <Bender> karma - libreoffice: -2
[08:45:53] <chromas> probably already has it
[08:46:10] <crutchy> hmm
[08:46:25] * crutchy wonders if his bash has been rooted
[08:46:41] <Konomi> this place needs a mumble
[08:46:53] <silverly> oh man
[08:46:54] <Konomi> I'm doing too much to type all the time
[08:46:57] <silverly> that would be weird
[08:47:08] <chromas> fc-cache finds all the fonts. I think it's just libreoffice. Probably should nuke its config
[08:47:16] <Konomi> know the first thing I heard when I first used mumble?
[08:47:20] <Konomi> "OMG THERE"S A GIRL IN HERE"
[08:47:22] <chromas> A fart?
[08:47:23] <chromas> oh
[08:47:24] <crutchy> i mumble a lot, but guessing you mean something different
[08:47:25] * Konomi thought "fuck my life"
[08:47:25] <chromas> same thing
[08:47:45] <crutchy> we're all girls in here
[08:47:48] <silverly> lol i get that heaps when i talk when i play online games
[08:47:48] <ciri> i missed it, what are you laughing at? >.>
[08:47:57] <silverly> im a 22 year old dude please >.>
[08:48:01] <chromas> well in their defence, most girls on the net are dudes or fbi; or sometimes nsa
[08:48:12] <chromas> or on facebook
[08:48:18] <crutchy> no strings attached girls++
[08:48:27] <Konomi> silverly: dick pics or gtfo
[08:48:31] <crutchy> lol
[08:48:31] <ciri> hehehe
[08:48:33] <Konomi> sorry I've wanted to say that for ages
[08:48:53] <silverly> haha
[08:48:57] <crutchy> just dont ask ethanol-fuelled
[08:49:13] <chromas> he already showed us his extension
[08:50:09] <Konomi> oh god
[08:50:15] <Konomi> please no that mental image is painful
[08:50:39] <silverly> i feel that http://logs.sylnt.us is now a dangerous place
[08:50:39] <chromas> he said that was a good thing
[08:51:24] * chromas needs to figure out how to get his kvirc logs into quassels db
[08:51:52] <Konomi> as long as the channel doesn't go full gamergatetarded I am here forevers
[08:51:53] <chromas> infinite_scrollback++
[08:51:53] <Bender> karma - infinite_scrollback: 1
[08:52:26] <chromas> Good; we need as many cool hackers as we can get
[08:56:05] <crutchy> starcraft++ # for konomi ;p
[08:56:05] <Bender> karma - starcraft: 3
[08:56:16] <crutchy> hmm
[08:56:17] <Konomi> starcraft is fun but 2 kinda blew
[08:56:20] <crutchy> starcraft--
[08:56:20] <Bender> karma - starcraft: 2
[08:56:27] <crutchy> broodwar++
[08:56:27] <Bender> karma - broodwar: 1
[08:56:29] <crutchy> :)
[08:56:52] <chromas> 2 has a bunch of other games you can play
[08:56:52] <ciri> 3
[08:56:57] <crutchy> my wife offered to get me sc2... i turned it down
[08:57:11] <chromas> I buttpirated it, beat it, then someone gave me an authentic copy
[08:57:51] <crutchy> i had a dodgy of bw for a while but then went and bought battlechest. its just *that* awesome
[08:58:22] <chromas> Diabloe 2 battle chest used to have the first Diablo. Then they took it out. I wonder if it even had the expansion for D1 before
[08:58:24] <Konomi> I blame activsion
[08:58:29] <chromas> activision--
[08:58:29] <Bender> karma - activision: -1
[08:58:32] <Konomi> they molested it
[08:58:39] * crutchy doesn't play missions or supplied maps though. i like making maps where i team up with an ai and belt the crap outta the other 6 ai players mwahahahaha
[08:58:48] <chromas> blizzard went beta too
[08:59:15] <chromas> ♪The whole world's gone beta…♫
[08:59:37] <Konomi> they ruined the modding for sc2
[08:59:40] <silverly> dota2++
[08:59:40] <Bender> karma - dota2: 1
[08:59:41] <Konomi> that's what mostly killed it
[08:59:42] <silverly> dota2++
[08:59:42] <Bender> karma - dota2: 2
[09:00:11] <crutchy> i played a couple of bw mods, but didn't get into modding much
[09:00:32] <crutchy> there was a program that could read the files in that big file on the cd
[09:00:42] <crutchy> that was nifty
[09:01:20] <chromas> yeah you could extract the music from the mpq files
[09:01:46] <crutchy> i think the only mod i played was one with bunkers that had healing ability
[09:03:57] <crutchy> eventually maybe we'll be able to play an awesome rts empire building game here
[09:04:32] <crutchy> with alliances n shit
[09:05:03] * crutchy closes meeting.php
[09:05:11] * crutchy opens irciv.php :D
[09:05:57] <silverly> oh man
[09:06:05] <silverly> that would be pretty awesome
[09:06:29] * silverly is pretty awful at rts in general
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[09:19:59] * crutchy sucks at rts
[09:20:10] * crutchy sucks at gaming generally
[09:20:10] <Popeidol> who is rts?
[09:20:13] <Popeidol> oh, I see
[09:20:16] <crutchy> lol
[09:20:16] <ciri> rofl
[09:20:23] <silverly> lol yeah
[09:20:24] <ciri> i missed it, what are you laughing at? >.>
[09:20:28] <crutchy> the guy with the teet
[09:20:29] <silverly> but i like all the hard games
[09:20:38] <crutchy> oh hang on we're all girls here
[09:21:28] <silverly> girls play games o.O
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[09:35:23] <crutchy> wb FoobarBazbot
[09:35:55] <crutchy> mazter of zi zedbot
[09:36:49] <chromas> heh linuxhospital
[09:37:06] <chromas> another forum post aggregator
[09:37:44] <crutchy> chromas, s/ga/gay/
[09:37:44] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> <chromas> another forum post aggregaytor
[09:39:58] <chromas> that's why the alligator was peeking out
[09:40:13] <chromas> malware that likes to watch
[09:46:08] <crutchy> http://imgs.xkcd.com
[09:46:16] <crutchy> this is so true
[09:48:33] <chromas> even if you manage to get the first one, you'd just have another task
[09:52:25] <crutchy> tasks are like women. sometimes you just wanna do them all at once, but some you just wanna put off till tomorrow
[10:05:29] <chromas> /reload
[10:05:29] <NetCraft> 52 naughty strings loaded
[10:09:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:09:23] <Bender> karma - coffee: 922
[10:16:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> !grab crutchy
[10:16:17] <Bender> Added quote 251
[10:20:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Feds ‘Hacked’ Silk Road Without A Warrant? Perfect - http://sylnt.us - the-law-means-whjat-they-want-it-to-mean
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[10:51:30] <q_kontinuum> Hi, is there still any kind of offline forum to discuss soylentnews / missing features etc?
[10:52:58] <chromas> There's a wiki
[10:53:00] <chromas> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[10:53:00] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03Suggestions
[10:53:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> the issue tracker too
[10:53:49] <chromas> https://github.com
[10:53:50] <NetCraft> ^ ( https://github.com )
[10:53:59] <chromas> Nice titling there
[10:54:37] <chromas> oh, the bot isn't logged in :\
[10:55:42] <q_kontinuum> Ok, thanks. Is this in your experience helpful for discussions? Doesn't appear as structured to me as nntp or forum
[10:55:59] <chromas> Discussions mostly happen here
[10:56:15] <chromas> You could also throw up a journal entry
[10:56:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly, most discussion goes on under articles or at random in here
[10:56:43] <q_kontinuum> Journal entry sounds like a good idea for my purposes.
[10:57:20] <chromas> We'll see it in the feed and/or you can link it in here
[10:57:29] <q_kontinuum> I recalled there was some discussion how to get users to meta-moderate more. I was looking on soylentnews.org, but was not able to find a link to get to meta-moderation
[10:57:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> more? meta-moderation is broken.
[10:58:18] <q_kontinuum> ok, maybe I remembered wrong.
[10:59:13] <chromas> I could have been brought up. We did announce getting Unicode twice :)
[10:59:18] <chromas> ^ it
[11:00:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're going to be having a staff meeting over regular moderation and likely start work on meta moderation in the new year.
[11:01:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> staff meeting should be in a couple weeks. watch the site news slashbox to the right of the page for info on that
[11:01:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> open to all, just called a staff meeting to differentiate it from a board meeting.
[11:08:04] <crutchy> chromas broke it. lets get him
[11:08:43] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:08:43] <Bender> karma - coffee: 923
[11:08:56] <q_kontinuum> Ah, found int: http://soylentnews.org opened the topic of metamoderation, how to encourage it, but also that it is currently broken :-)
[11:08:57] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN article 03 Re: Discussing the Future of SN 04(159 comments)
[11:09:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... think i may tackle IDNs/unicode in urls today.
[11:09:20] <crutchy> ~suggest we get moar meta moderation
[11:09:27] <exec> *** suggestion successfully added to wiki - http://sylnt.us
[11:09:31] * TheMightyBuzzard kicks crutchy
[11:10:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> you fix it then. it's a lot of debugging and means few to no other bugs get fixed before the year's end.
[11:10:38] <crutchy> i'm very busy wasting time on youtube :p
[11:10:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, well that's fine then
[11:11:02] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[11:11:02] <NetCraft> ^ 03Argument Clinic - Monty Python's The Flying Circus - YouTube
[11:11:15] <chromas> me too. Someone on SN linked to that. First time I've actually seen it
[11:11:17] <q_kontinuum> Another suggestion would be <sarcasm> tags - for the fun of it. Not sure if they are alreday available somewhere else.
[11:11:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> q_kontinuum, It would have already been fixed but it's a fairly good sized job
[11:11:57] <q_kontinuum> Is a docker container available to run slashcode locally without investing too much time to get started?
[11:12:02] <chromas> Which version of broken metamod do we have?
[11:12:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> q_kontinuum, there's a virtual machine, yes. actually there will be as soon as paulej72 gets it put up for download.
[11:13:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> he was making an updated one the other day but hadn't uploaded it to the servers for user download.
[11:13:14] * chromas awaits torrent
[11:13:28] <q_kontinuum> (I don't think I'd be able to usefully contribute to metamoderation, but I'd imagine adding a style for sarcasm and allow the tags in comment parser shouldn't be too hard, I might want to give it a try)
[11:14:28] <chromas> You can peek through the source on gitub
[11:14:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> q_kontinuum, oh, you'd have to first add it to the allowed tags list in the database
[11:14:57] <q_kontinuum> TheMightyBird Thanks for info, that would be helpful as well; although docker seems to be much more lightweight
[11:16:00] <q_kontinuum> TheMightyBuzzard yes, that's what I saw on the first glance. I just forked in github and greped for "blockquote" to see how tags are generally implemented.
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[11:16:23] <q_kontinuum> But since I'm usually quite busy already, it might take some time before I could take a closer look
[11:16:47] <chromas> Now you're just teasing us
[11:17:04] <q_kontinuum> Anyway, thanks for first feedback. Need to leave, in my timezone it's 13:16 and I still have to work :-)
[11:17:15] <chromas> See ya!
[11:17:22] <q_kontinuum> cu
[11:17:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> adios
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[11:18:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> i like people wanting to help. it gives me a happy.
[11:18:21] <chromas> aha! See how q_kontinuum leaves and instantly rand is here?
[11:18:35] * chromas looks around for a phone booth
[11:18:47] <chromas> or a cave
[11:19:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> need moar coffee
[11:20:29] * chromas installed pulseaudio; doesn't get sound out.
[11:20:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> you broke it
[11:20:42] <chromas> Might need to restart my x session I read. So many programs to close
[11:21:20] <chromas> can't even keep track anymore. Am I an application addict?
[11:21:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> almost certainly
[11:21:58] <chromas> I was going to test my svgs in slash but when I use the inspector thing and change the image link, the img just goes empty
[11:22:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> don axe me
[11:23:32] <chromas> Just tried shutdown on the arch vm I'm testing uselessd in. It didn't even require a parameter
[11:25:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, ima not even try that until it hits official repos and works nicely with things that depend on systemd.
[11:26:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> or rather until they stop depending on systemd and make the switch back
[11:26:58] <chromas> someone put it in the AUR but the package isn't good according to him. Has unnecessary dependencies. But it is running (had to force remove the systemd package)
[11:32:09] <crutchy> mooctl start apt
[11:33:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> believe i may have a look at INDs And unicode in urls today.
[11:33:47] <crutchy> tmb, were you here when i made myself a completely systemd-free debian?
[11:33:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp
[11:34:05] <crutchy> it was totally gay, but it was systemd-free nonetheless :)
[11:34:35] <chromas> restarting gives me pulseaudio. Now I can use bluetooth right?
[11:36:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly not, no
[11:36:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> systemd's freaming microsofting everything it can get its hands on. going after the terminal next
[11:37:00] <crutchy> i was able to get openbox working with hexchat and firefox, but file browser choice was more limited to things that resembled msdos
[11:37:27] <crutchy> dbus--
[11:37:27] <Bender> karma - dbus: -1
[11:37:50] <crutchy> ^ elephant in the linux distro
[11:38:09] <Popeidol> couldn't even get PCmanFS or thunar working?
[11:38:20] <crutchy> no thunar
[11:38:23] <Popeidol> *pcmanfm
[11:38:35] <crutchy> nicest one i found was named gentoo
[11:38:43] <crutchy> weird eh
[11:39:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[11:39:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> myself, i use caja
[11:39:24] <Popeidol> maybe gentoo has a file manager called debian
[11:39:38] <crutchy> it works, but im attached to nautilus
[11:39:55] <chromas> bluetooth_sound++
[11:39:55] <Bender> karma - bluetooth_sound: 1
[11:40:16] <chromas> can stream audio from pocket box now, though it's very stuttery
[11:40:21] <crutchy> midnight commander was an option :p
[11:40:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> only thing i use bluetooth for is my ps3 controllers
[11:41:13] <crutchy> dammit. no caja in synaptic wtf?
[11:41:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, have to add mint repo for that. it's part of mate desktop
[11:41:43] <crutchy> there's 36629 packages available, but not that one
[11:41:58] <crutchy> k
[11:42:01] <chromas> crutchy: pacaur -S caja
[11:42:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[11:42:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> or yaourt to be specific
[11:42:54] <chromas> there should be a table comparing all five hundred of them
[11:44:40] <Popeidol> http://en.wikipedia.org
[11:44:41] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03Comparison of file managers
[11:44:47] <Popeidol> you can rely on wikipedia.
[11:45:14] <chromas> I should've specified, AUR automators :)
[11:45:23] <chromas> pacaur, aurpac, yaourt, etc
[11:45:49] <chromas> every time I get a kde notification it turns my volume up to eleven
[11:45:56] <Popeidol> https://wiki.archlinux.org
[11:45:58] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03AUR helpers
[11:45:58] <crutchy> heh. its got the gentoo file manager i tried :)
[11:46:57] <Popeidol> good effort by the man who wrote an AUR automator in haskell
[11:46:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what you get for using kde stuff.
[11:47:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> cept for k3b, that's awesome.
[11:48:09] <chromas> there's no alternative
[11:48:49] <crutchy> but the real question is, does it blend?
[11:48:52] <crutchy> or moo
[11:49:10] <crutchy> or eat stuff
[11:49:15] <Popeidol> have the 'will it blend' guys ever blended another blender?
[11:49:57] <crutchy> that would be like using a compiler to compile itself
[11:50:22] <Popeidol> it'd be good marketing though
[11:50:33] <Popeidol> along the lines of 'thomsons teeth: the only teeth that can eat other teeth'
[11:51:01] * crutchy imagines the hand that pulls itself out of a hat in an infinite loop
[11:51:31] <crutchy> that was on disney aladdin i think
[11:53:30] <crutchy> anyway, till tomorrow gents
[11:53:34] <crutchy> o/
[11:53:39] <Popeidol> godspeed
[12:02:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Invention of Blue LEDs in Early 1990s wins Physics Nobel Prize - http://sylnt.us - lets-throw-some-light-on-this-story
[12:11:06] <Subsentient> $wz
[12:11:06] <aqu4> [Game 1] Name: God of the Gerbil Horde | Map: ConcreteSquared-T1 | Host: Subsentient | Players: 4/8 | IP: 216.161.165.96 | Version: 3.1.1
[12:11:07] <aqu4> [Game 2] Name: Homo | Map: Sk-Mountain | Host: Judenmon Hanfgr | Players: 3/4 (private) | IP: 89.0.162.214 | Version: 3.1.1
[12:11:08] <aqu4> [Game 3] Name: Presto Ballet | Map: NTW4vs4max-T1 | Host: tomato_Cat | Players: 3/8 | IP: 188.232.62.234 | Version: 3.1.1
[12:11:09] <aqu4> End of games list.
[12:17:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Subsentient
[12:17:42] <Subsentient> hi TheMightyBuzzard
[12:17:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> how goes?
[12:17:49] <ciri> doing good, and you?
[12:17:53] <Subsentient> Go download Warzone 2100 at wz2100.net and start playing with me.
[12:17:58] <Subsentient> So commandeth Lord Subsentient
[12:18:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't, lord paulej72 commands that i code stuff
[12:24:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> friend of mine had his sister sending him pictures of hot air balloons last night cause she wants him to do one up for a tattoo for her
[12:25:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> at the same time she was also sending her husband pictures of her own personal balloons
[12:25:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> wires were crossed
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[13:06:23] <paulej72> looks like i need to get cracking on that VM tonight
[13:07:36] <paulej72> she could get a tat of her balloons so she knows what they looked like now for when she is old and saggy
[13:08:07] <paulej72> that would be so meta
[13:10:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i was thinking the same thing
[13:10:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> after i thought "blackmail for life"
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[13:15:10] <paulej72> the real meta would be to get her “balloon” tat on her balloons so it would sag along with them
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[13:26:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> i really hate the fudgeurl sub
[13:28:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a large part of what buggers up idn names
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[13:35:55] <paulej72> total rewrit?
[13:36:25] <paulej72> using a perl cpan module?
[13:37:37] <Konomi> rewrite it in php
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[13:41:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Former Infosys Recruiter Says he was Told not to Hire US Workers - http://sylnt.us - globalisation-at-its-best
[13:41:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, lot of it's going to likely be stripped because it strips everything not valid ascii urls out by default in several places
[13:42:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> also gets changed into xn--blah notation, which is not what we want.
[13:42:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is what i'm tracking down first.
[13:48:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> just bitching by the way, don't actually need help
[13:48:18] <paulej72> :)
[13:50:25] <paulej72> just remember that I would like to se a utf8 indicator show up in the [domain.com] piece that we add to url displays.
[13:50:37] <paulej72> OK off to get a flu shot.
[13:52:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy
[13:53:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> haven't actually found where the [domain] stuff is created yet, still trying to get fudgeurl to play as nicely as i can.
[13:57:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> hell with fudgeurl, i'll go through and pick out the useful bits of it and the rest can eat a dick.
[14:02:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> excellent
[14:16:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> halfway working. still does hot like making a link from bare IDN addresses outside an <a> tag
[14:16:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://tmbvm.ddns.net
[14:16:42] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN (TMB dev) comment by The Mighty Buzzard (18)
[14:31:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Lunar Eclipse Reports - http://sylnt.us - under-a-blood-red-moon
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[14:52:00] <Leebert> flu shot, ugh. I hated that. Used to be forced to get them when I worked at the hospital. Invariably made me feel rotten for days.
[15:18:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, HA @ the unicode kitty
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[15:30:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 'Aunt Jemima' Relatives Suing Pancake Company for $2B - http://sylnt.us - likeness-rights
[15:32:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[15:32:24] <Bender> karma - coffee: 924
[15:37:11] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[15:37:11] <Bender> karma - coffee: 925
[16:31:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google AI Now Capable of Synthesizing Photos - http://sylnt.us - unblinking-eye
[17:39:01] <Blackmoore> zoom! Enhance!
[17:42:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Systemd 217 will Include a Console Daemon - http://sylnt.us - stoking-the-systemd-flame-war
[17:52:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> ruh roh
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[18:03:09] <chromas> What did consolekit do? It already had a replacement for that
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[18:04:30] <Blackmoore> yeah. i'm now fully in the f systemd court
[18:05:09] <Blackmoore> sadly that means i now have to replace my desktop interface
[18:05:20] * chromas bribes tmb with a scooby snack
[18:05:25] <Blackmoore> and most of my software.
[18:06:50] <Blackmoore> and pray for a replacement distro. as I'm not really ready to roll my own
[18:08:06] <chromas> If we all got together...
[18:09:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> soylent/gnus?
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[18:13:25] <Blackmoore> now there's a way to promote the site.
[18:13:48] <JamesNZ> Gentoo gives the choice of systemd/sysv/openrc.
[18:25:18] <chromas> kmscon
[18:51:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Voice Activated Software Still Distracts Drivers - http://sylnt.us - sorry,-can-you-say-that-again?
[18:53:27] <Blackmoore> look, when the damn thing says "turn left on sidewalk" and "continue thur the next five pedestrians"
[19:21:46] <chromas> wait what? "The lunar eclipse is over, what are your reports?"
[19:21:57] <chromas> Full bright moon
[19:23:48] <Blackmoore> yeah lunar eclipse was just before moonset
[19:24:21] <Blackmoore> my report would have been - near migrane headache, nausa.
[19:25:49] <chromas> guess I need to set up a webcam outside
[19:29:17] <chromas> http://hackles.org
[19:29:17] <NetCraft> ^ 03Hackles Cartoon Archive
[19:54:24] <weeds> yo
[20:03:14] <paulej72> yo-yo
[20:18:55] * JamesNZ was going to stay up to photograph the eclipse, but the night 'twas cloudy
[20:22:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ebola Vaccine Trial Involves Difficult Choices - http://sylnt.us - life-or-death
[20:35:05] <crutchy> coffee++
[20:35:05] <Bender> karma - coffee: 926
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[20:45:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[20:45:08] <Bender> karma - coffee: 927
[20:47:06] <mrcoolbp> anyone in Boston tomorrow night, I'm a guest musician at John Lennon tribute night
[20:47:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> nifty
[20:47:30] <mrcoolbp> yar
[20:47:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> over a thousand miles away but still nifty
[20:47:51] <mrcoolbp> neh, hop a plane, it beatles music
[20:47:52] <mrcoolbp> and me
[20:48:05] <Blackmoore> cool. i wont be anywhere boston.
[20:48:47] <mrcoolbp> only a 6 hour drive for you right Blackmoore?
[20:52:03] <Blackmoore> no it's bit more than that. 6 would get me just past Binghamton..
[20:52:19] <Blackmoore> and i'm driving there friday.
[20:53:21] <mrcoolbp> holy fsm NY is large
[20:54:16] <crutchy> i could hop on a plane from melbourne, aus... i might make it by then
[20:54:56] <chromas> I bet crutchy's back yard is bigger than NY
[20:55:20] <crutchy> hmm the tsa gropings would make me late i think
[20:55:36] <crutchy> esp cos i'd ask for seconds :p
[20:55:48] <chromas> do they still have the threedee nudez scan?
[20:56:03] <chromas> And moan when they touch your poo spot
[20:57:13] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[20:57:14] <NetCraft> ^ 03Toilet Safety Administration '&'I'm a Big Boy'&' - YouTube
[20:57:26] <Blackmoore> yeah, i know one guy who could get to NYC in 6 hour.. but he had diplomatic immunity
[20:57:26] <crutchy> some youtubes are like xkcds :p
[20:58:24] <crutchy> 'takin a dump today ma'am... ayight i just needs ta check inside ya ass hole'
[20:59:53] <crutchy> netcraft did something funky with the quotes there
[21:00:53] <crutchy> chromas, its prolly bigger than a nyc backyard :p
[21:01:31] <chromas> They don't have back yards—only backdoor bandits
[21:02:28] <chromas> yeah the title uses xml entities for ' next to each other so it must be confusing muh codez
[21:03:06] <crutchy> wtf double single quotes?
[21:03:11] <crutchy> weeeird
[21:03:30] <crutchy> prolly confuse exec too
[21:03:33] * NetCraft hangs head in shame
[21:03:36] <crutchy> ~title http://www.youtube.com
[21:03:38] <exec> Toilet Safety Administration ''I'm a Big Boy'' - YouTube
[21:03:42] <crutchy> lol
[21:03:43] <ciri> now that is funny
[21:03:44] <crutchy> yup
[21:03:59] <chromas> Does exec resolve teh entities?
[21:04:09] <crutchy> i don't think so
[21:04:23] <crutchy> i could chuck it in and see if it works
[21:04:47] * chromas needs to rewrite pretty much every line of code in every unit of the bot
[21:05:06] <crutchy> ~title http://www.youtube.com
[21:05:08] <exec> Toilet Safety Administration ''I'm a Big Boy'' - YouTube
[21:05:16] <chromas> exec is a big boy
[21:05:24] <crutchy> it does big boy poops
[21:06:17] <crutchy> php++
[21:06:17] <Bender> karma - php: 5
[21:06:45] <chromas> pulseaudio++ # :D
[21:06:45] <Bender> karma - pulseaudio: 1
[21:06:49] <crutchy> one advantage of using a scripty lang designed for the web
[21:07:19] <chromas> yeah I wrote my own function and it's teh s uck
[21:07:21] <crutchy> (very small advantage compared to the awesomesauce of pascal though)
[21:07:37] <crutchy> roll_your_own++
[21:07:37] <Bender> karma - roll_your_own: 1
[21:07:42] <crutchy> chromas++
[21:07:42] <Bender> karma - chromas: 44
[21:07:58] <crutchy> feck i gotta go to workipoos... and do big boy poops
[21:08:32] <chromas> See ya around. We'll try to exploit the new function of exec there
[21:09:13] <chromas> Quick! Someone whip up a page with QUIT :Haw haw!
[21:09:33] <SirFinkus> fucking Jackson, such a media whore
[21:09:41] <SirFinkus> *Jesse Jackson
[21:09:56] <chromas> what'd he do now?
[21:10:33] <SirFinkus> idk, he's being interviewed on CNN because he visited the relatives of the ebola guy in dallas
[21:12:24] <SirFinkus> "and now we go to Jesse Jackson for near-baseless speculation"
[21:16:09] <SirFinkus> "have you spoken to any of the families about suing anybody?" holy shit, good question wolf
[21:16:16] <SirFinkus> "that's personal"
[21:16:18] <SirFinkus> so, yeah
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[21:48:57] <paulej72> mooooo
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[21:49:38] <paulej72> moo :(
[21:51:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Toddlers Detect Anger and Regulate Behaviour - http://sylnt.us - please-put-down-my-camera
[22:09:58] <Blackmoore> :(
[22:10:04] <Blackmoore> moo
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[23:12:40] <SirFinkus> tea++
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[23:30:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Online Games and Remote Experiments Could Reduce Scientific Fraud, Cherry-picking - http://sylnt.us - team-work
[23:36:46] <paulej72> teat++
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[23:54:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> teat++ Damned skippy
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