#Soylent | Logs for 2014-10-07
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[00:04:39] <SpallsHurgenson> Australian version of "Ow My Balls" https://www.youtube.com
[00:04:40] <NetCraft> ^ 03wild kangaroo street fight Aussie style - YouTube
[00:17:44] <silverly> yeah, welcome to rural australia
[00:17:48] <silverly> anything goes
[00:19:08] <silverly> i live next to a bit of trees/ forest, and i get promptly get woken up by kookaburras
[00:19:20] <silverly> at silly O' clock
[00:20:03] <SpallsHurgenson> you're just confirming every bad cliche about Australia :)
[00:20:39] <silverly> well, most it of it is true
[00:20:57] * silverly rode my kangaroo to work today
[00:21:32] <SpallsHurgenson> as an American, I believe it :)
[00:21:54] <chromas> beer in one hand, snake in the other
[00:22:40] <SpallsHurgenson> it sounds like you are speaking English; can you please restate that in Australian?
[00:22:59] <crutchy> is it just me or do youtubes of crazy shit in russia never get old?
[00:23:47] <silverly> crazy shit all over the world never gets old
[00:23:56] <SpallsHurgenson> when everybody has a dashboard cam on their car, it is inevitable that all of life's craziness will be captured on youtube :)
[00:25:31] * chromas wishes youtube had a speed-up button
[00:25:57] <SpallsHurgenson> I just hover my mouse over the scrub-bar and watch the thumbnails :)
[00:26:17] <chromas> That's also good but I also want people to talk faster
[00:27:14] <SpallsHurgenson> don't some videos have transcripts? :)
[00:27:31] <chromas> when did yt get Stats for Nerds?
[00:28:17] <chromas> right-click video, get stats; has some numbers and pretty graphs
[00:29:22] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm, I don't get a graph :(
[00:29:43] <chromas> they're small, just to the right of the text
[00:30:12] <chromas> also a bar at the bottom of the little window with a buffer graph
[00:31:17] <SpallsHurgenson> sure, give the AUSTRALIANS all the neat toys :(
[00:31:45] <chromas> you're probably thinking of crutchy
[00:32:04] <SpallsHurgenson> I just assume everyone lives in Australia :)
[00:32:38] <chromas> I think most people here who've given a location are either here or there
[00:32:55] <silverly> youtube tracks how good the download is via different ISP arounds my way
[00:32:56] <chromas> that's not ambiguous at all
[00:33:08] <arti> o.o
[00:33:08] <SpallsHurgenson> you can't be here. I'm here and I know for sure that you're not. You must be there.
[00:33:19] <silverly> https://www.google.com
[00:33:19] <NetCraft> ^ 03Google Video Quality Report
[00:33:23] <chromas> yeah it says it's good connection for me but it still craps out a lot
[00:33:40] <chromas> many times it dies as soon as it starts playing and I haIt thought the site was plaintext and the scraper for that e to reload the page
[00:34:22] <chromas> uh
[00:34:24] <chromas> wtf
[00:34:41] <chromas> is my keyboard drunk?
[00:35:04] <SpallsHurgenson> if we said "yes", how would that help you in any way?
[00:35:40] <chromas> Or ciri's Markov chains are taking over muh brain
[00:36:54] <SpallsHurgenson> just another reason to kill it with fire
[00:37:41] <chromas> You should stop by # for maximum bottage
[00:37:51] <chromas> Sometimes they talk to each other
[00:38:08] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't have enough fire
[00:38:16] * SpallsHurgenson reads up on Markov chains
[00:38:43] <chromas> Turns out I accidentally pasted while typing
[00:40:38] <SpallsHurgenson> the google video quality report just laughs at me :(
[00:41:27] <paulej72> More bug fixes to deploy on prod tonight,
[00:41:45] <chromas> the bot in #uselessd gives length and other cool info for youtube links.
[00:41:59] <chromas> bots++
[00:42:00] <Bender> karma - bots: 2
[00:42:05] <chromas> paulej72++
[00:42:05] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 79
[00:42:20] <SpallsHurgenson> coffee--
[00:42:20] <Bender> karma - coffee: 918
[00:43:05] <SirFinkus> so if we're going to have replicants by 2019, we better get on it
[00:43:22] <SpallsHurgenson> how do you know we don't already? :)
[00:43:24] <ciri> doing good, and you?
[00:43:47] <SirFinkus> there are tests for that
[00:44:29] <SpallsHurgenson> Let me tell you about my mother. :)
[00:44:36] <SirFinkus> unless you're one SpallsHurgenson, you are in a desert and you find a turtle
[00:44:55] <SpallsHurgenson> a tortoise. Get it right :)
[00:45:15] <SirFinkus> REPLICANT
[00:45:16] <SpallsHurgenson> people like you are why replicants slip by the VK test :)
[00:45:47] <SirFinkus> also, where are my flying cars?
[00:45:53] <SirFinkus> I was told there would be flying cars
[00:46:15] <SpallsHurgenson> you'll get them after WW3
[00:48:11] <SpallsHurgenson> "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain..."
[00:59:34] <SirFinkus> still no gates either
[00:59:47] <SirFinkus> damn, what have we been doing all these years?
[01:01:52] <arti> uh
[01:01:54] <arti> spying
[01:04:30] <paulej72> ok 503s upcomming
[01:06:07] <arti> VARNISH!
[01:06:15] <arti> this here error message
[01:06:21] <arti> +twang
[01:15:21] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[01:15:21] <NetCraft> ^ 03Train Wreck - YouTube
[01:15:58] <crutchy> "damn girl you lookin so good, except for the fact that i have reverse wood"
[01:16:04] <crutchy> lmao
[01:16:17] <crutchy> oh shit wrong chan :p
[01:16:26] <crutchy> feck
[01:16:56] <arti> LOL
[01:16:57] <ciri> hehehe
[01:17:44] <arti> crutchy, we have certain standards here...
[01:17:54] <arti> hairy, sweaty standards.
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[01:28:55] <SpallsHurgenson> if there's one good thing about modern movies, it's how easy they are to review
[01:29:02] <SpallsHurgenson> "Crap"
[01:30:21] <crutchy> that is an insult to german sheizer pr0nz
[01:31:51] <SpallsHurgenson> huh, watch Deutschlander Shit Films or Transformers 4? I think we know which is the better movie :)
[01:32:56] <crutchy> yeah transformers 4 is worse than crap
[01:33:30] <crutchy> its worse than e-f's dick pic
[01:34:42] <SpallsHurgenson> it's my fault; I keep paying for these things. But I keep thinking they MUST have learned their lessons from last time and finally made a good movie
[01:35:01] <SpallsHurgenson> is it my fault that I am eternally optimistic?
[01:36:18] <pbnjoe> you gotta pick what to be optimistic about
[01:36:20] <pbnjoe> :)
[01:37:47] <arti> movies are made for global appeal
[01:37:49] <crutchy> i'm an optimistic pessimist
[01:38:12] <SpallsHurgenson> and surely the world's taste in movies has improved!
[01:38:14] <arti> i'm comforted by this.
[01:39:37] <crutchy> i hope for the best but expect people to be dicks. unfortunately i'm often right, but fortunately i'm also not surprised
[01:40:56] <arti> surprise: what occurs to crutchy after entering the elevator after certain patrons exit :D
[01:41:15] <crutchy> but when some people turn out to be ok its always pleasant at least
[01:41:46] <crutchy> arti, nah i'm usually the one the leaves the parting lift gift :p
[01:41:56] <arti> ~define liftgift
[01:42:09] <pbnjoe> liftgift: fart
[01:42:10] <exec> liftgift: unable to find definition
[01:42:14] <arti> ~define lift gift
[01:42:25] <exec> [stoacademy] 3lift gift: turbolift - A device in a starship which quickly brings people from one deck to another. Similar to an elevator.
[01:42:28] <crutchy> 409 bot retarded
[01:42:41] <pbnjoe> amirite?
[01:42:46] <arti> yes, you are.
[01:43:15] * arti wanted to see if this term was on ud
[01:43:33] <JamesNZ> SpallsHurgenson: Admit it, you just watch them for the baysplosions :)
[01:43:33] <exec> http://www.youtube.com
[01:44:10] <arti> who doesn't love robot dinos
[01:44:28] <arti> maybe the next one can feature flaming variants
[01:45:28] <JamesNZ> I haven't watched T4, but they look kinda dumb if the trailers are anything to go by.
[01:46:54] * arti hasn't seen it either and has no plans otherwise
[01:47:12] <chromas> curry_chicken++
[01:47:12] <Bender> karma - curry_chicken: 1
[01:47:37] <SpallsHurgenson> it makes the 1986 animated-toy-commercial made-for-children movie look intellectual in comparison
[01:49:05] <chromas> versus the 2004 animated-toy-commercial made-for-people-stuck-in-their-chair
[01:50:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Yahoo and WinZip Breached via Shellshock - http://sylnt.us - /cgi-sys/defaultwebpage.cgi
[01:51:10] <chromas> from the winzip-is-still-around? thing
[01:53:19] <crutchy> i thought ms killed winzip with xp
[01:53:23] <SpallsHurgenson> surviving by tricking people into using their propietary compression format...
[01:53:37] <SpallsHurgenson> if not XP, then 7zip should have
[01:54:04] <chromas> also pkzip still exists
[01:57:29] <SpallsHurgenson> I guess they survive thanks to the BSA terrifying corporations into believing that all software must be paid for
[01:58:27] <chromas> someone should start an ossa
[01:58:56] <chromas> Bust in with guns, lookin' fer proprietary software
[01:59:24] <crutchy> we need a new poll
[01:59:27] <crutchy> new_poll++
[01:59:27] <Bender> karma - new_poll: 2
[02:01:13] <chromas> New poll: Best flamefest of 2004: ( ) gamergate ( ) systemd ( ) beta ( ) whatever happened to cowboyteal?
[02:02:06] <silverly> (plateful of slizzing beef)++
[02:02:06] <Bender> karma - (plateful of slizzing beef): 1
[02:02:22] <crutchy> ( ) 2004 was a great year, you insensitive clod!
[02:02:23] <SpallsHurgenson> coffee--
[02:02:23] <Bender> karma - coffee: 917
[02:03:47] <crutchy> cowboy teal was lost in the windows 95 desktop
[02:04:34] <arti> oh i found some of my older software
[02:04:40] <arti> "older": mid 90s
[02:04:51] <arti> dilbert's desktop toys, woot
[02:05:08] <arti> discworld and monkey island
[02:05:20] <arti> BeOS 4.5 :D
[02:05:28] <crutchy> back when it was still cool to compare bill gates with darth vader?
[02:05:39] <arti> i think it was more of the brownshirts
[02:06:27] <SpallsHurgenson> PKZ204G.EXE
[02:06:49] <arti> lol
[02:06:49] <ciri> hehehe
[02:07:09] <arti> pkunzip
[02:17:45] <crutchy> when redhat was an icon and not a corporate logo
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[02:22:55] <SpallsHurgenson> huh, I don't seem to be able to find my old DOS comms package. Where will I get my ymodem fix now?
[02:23:22] <chromas> was that related to zmodem?
[02:23:27] <chromas> or qmodem
[02:23:34] <chromas> telix
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[02:24:32] <SpallsHurgenson> xmodem begat (poorly ymodem which in turn begat zmodem
[02:25:44] <SpallsHurgenson> s/poorly/poorly)/
[02:25:44] <SedBot9000> <SpallsHurgenson> xmodem begat (poorly) ymodem which in turn begat zmodem
[02:25:52] <chromas> hm, I was sure there used to be a zmodem on Linux. Or at least an imitator
[02:26:01] <SpallsHurgenson> that unclosed paren was driving me nuts :)
[02:26:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, used to use sz to send yourself files from *nix systems
[02:26:20] <chromas> much like the pirate's wife
[02:27:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://linux.die.net
[02:27:58] <NetCraft> ^ 03sz(1): XMODEM, YMODEM, ZMODEM file send - Linux man page
[02:30:14] <chromas> good thing that site is singular
[02:32:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> wicked tired. think i still have some sleep to catch up on
[02:35:58] <crutchy> SpallsHurgenson, tmb had that last night
[02:36:13] <crutchy> sort of
[02:36:21] <crutchy> well, he thought he did
[02:36:27] <SpallsHurgenson> "that"?
[02:36:45] <crutchy> unclosed paren
[02:36:54] <crutchy> curly paren
[02:37:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> did
[02:37:07] <crutchy> actually it was probably an unclosed colon :p
[02:37:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> had something like $object->method($args} going on
[02:38:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> api is happy now though
[02:40:49] <SpallsHurgenson> and unclosed colon can be... messy
[02:41:10] <chromas> is that why the semicolon is bigger? Is it dripping?
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[03:02:23] <SpallsHurgenson> and once again I am involved - however inadvertantly - in bringing poop jokes to #soylent
[03:03:23] <juggs> quite a skill!
[03:18:19] <SpallsHurgenson> truly I am blessed
[03:19:18] <juggs> praise be
[03:34:42] <SpallsHurgenson> May His Noodley appendages ever tickle us gently
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[03:42:21] <ar> theorem: Lennart is worse than a murderer
[03:42:30] <ar> proof: Less people hate Hans Reiser than Lennart
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[03:44:24] <SpallsHurgenson> theorem: people are stupid
[03:44:33] <SpallsHurgenson> proof: same as above
[03:50:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - MasterCard to Mine Facebook User Data - http://sylnt.us - trust-us
[03:51:09] <SpallsHurgenson> why doesn't the bot ever report any GOOD news? :)
[03:51:40] <ar> are there ever any good news?
[03:51:42] <chromas> He steals it and keeps it in his compartment
[03:52:15] <ar> SpallsHurgenson: besides, the bot's name *is* Bender after all
[03:52:50] <SpallsHurgenson> well, a gay bot like him should only fixate on happy events :)
[04:01:24] * SpallsHurgenson searches amazon.com for a semi-decent point-n-click camera
[04:02:32] <ar> a few years ago samsung ex1 was quite decent
[04:02:45] <ar> it's got a successor, but i'm not sure what's the model name
[04:10:32] <SpallsHurgenson> is it Bob? I name all my cameras Bob. Mostly 'cause I have a bad habit of dropping them in the water :)
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[04:55:50] <SpallsHurgenson> "These characters believe in using society and its laws to benefit themselves. Structure and organization elevate those who deserve to rule as well as provide a clearly defined hierarchy between master and servant. To this end, these characters support laws and societies that protect their own concerns. If someone is hurt or suffers because of a law that benefits these characters, too bad. The characters obey
[04:55:51] <SpallsHurgenson> laws out of fear of punishment. Because they may be forced to honor an unfavorable contract or oath they have made, they are usually very careful about giving their word. Once given, they break their word only if they can find a way to do it legally, within the laws of the society".
[04:56:00] <SpallsHurgenson> my god, when did America turn lawful evil?
[04:57:05] <crutchy> i don't vote in elections
[04:57:09] <crutchy> in australia
[04:57:33] <crutchy> if everybody did the same it would make a statement
[04:57:54] <crutchy> but fools keep buying into the bullshit... over and over and over
[04:58:19] <crutchy> they think 'democracy' makes them free
[04:59:03] <chromas> vote for none of the above
[04:59:15] <crutchy> that's basically what i do
[04:59:16] <chromas> and then collect $300M
[04:59:21] <crutchy> lol
[05:01:11] <crutchy> alternatively if people votes for independents rather than the major parties, that would also send a message
[05:01:28] <crutchy> why people keep voting for major parties is beyond me
[05:02:09] <chromas> Paying attention is work. Vote for whose you remember made them seem the best
[05:02:26] <chromas> missed a word. Oh well, not worth the effort
[05:03:03] <crutchy> yeah i guess that makes sense. but then people complain when the corporations are able to buy off their politicians
[05:03:32] <crutchy> even in many 3rd world countries that kind of corruption in government is prosecuted
[05:04:04] <chromas> Oh we protest alright. Sign my petition?
[05:04:21] <chromas> it's an e-petition so it's serious business
[05:04:33] <crutchy> the *only* way to stop corporations from buying government is to take away power from government so that politicians have nothing to sell
[05:05:36] <crutchy> your e-petition intrigues me. i would also like to subscribe to your newsletter
[05:05:53] <chromas> crutchy: s/titio/e/
[05:05:53] <SedBot9000> <chromas> <crutchy> your e-peen intrigues me. i would also like to subscribe to your newsletter
[05:06:35] <SpallsHurgenson> I didn't need that image
[05:06:59] <chromas> hey, it's e
[05:08:00] <SpallsHurgenson> if that's what it's shaped like you REALLY need to see a doctor
[05:08:46] <crutchy> if you see a female one you might get more *service* than you bargained for
[05:14:53] <SpallsHurgenson> have you seen what doctors charge you for something as simple as aspirin? trust me, you don't want something as simple as even a handjob from these people :) :) :)
[05:15:14] <SpallsHurgenson> (though I'd love to see the paperwork they have to submit to the HMO :)
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[05:32:46] <juggs> https://plus.google.com oh my
[05:41:16] <crutchy> yeah that kinda makes sense, even if i can't be sure its really LP
[05:41:50] <crutchy> i mentioned the apparent religious fanaticism surrounding particularly systemd
[05:42:46] <juggs> smells like a land grab to me ~shrug~
[05:44:29] <crutchy> i've never felt compelled to use systemd, and i've been using debian as my primary OS since lenny. i honestly don't understand why people feel so threatened by it... its just software... and they don't even pay for it. people don't kick up this much of a stink over windows ffs
[05:45:35] <crutchy> even some of the shit that appears in comments on SN is pretty rediculous
[05:45:59] <crutchy> the term 'bandwagon' comes to mind
[05:46:51] <crutchy> if people really have a problem with power in the linux world, surely torvalds must be enemy #1
[05:49:07] <crutchy> i just hope SN doesn't get hijacked by anti--systemd nutbags
[05:49:09] <juggs> Seems to me the concern is that systemd tentacles are slithering all over the place. I've no dog in the fight and I'm not sure how much is FUD and politics anyway.
[05:49:46] <juggs> Well we do have one or two ACs who seem to post systemd comments on just about every story :D
[05:49:49] <crutchy> i must admit i'm not sure either, but i can vouch that i'm not forced to use systemd
[05:50:11] <crutchy> so some of the bs is false at least
[05:50:13] * chromas uses systemd
[05:50:19] <juggs> It's coming to Debian.
[05:50:34] <crutchy> its already in debian, but i *choose* not to use it
[05:51:19] <juggs> mmmhhmmm.
[05:52:28] <crutchy> hmm actually i tell a lie. there is a systemd package installed... libsystemd-login0
[05:53:44] <chromas> You're not using it for init but because of its tentacle (porn), you'll have some other packages for it
[05:54:17] <juggs> I find it odd that Poetterring goes off on that comment about the open source world being hostile and toxic, singles out Linus Torvalds etc. while solely developing a new init system for Linux. If it's as bad as he professes - why's he bothering?
[05:54:30] <crutchy> its required for a lot of things so i'm not gunna just remove it without any homework, but i might look into that package
[05:55:24] <chromas> There's a systemd-shim package I think
[05:55:51] <juggs> This is how it begins...
[05:55:51] <chromas> To satisfy my as a dependency when you upgrade
[05:55:51] <juggs> juggs@mint17-laptop ~ $ ps aux | grep systemd
[05:55:53] <juggs> root 392 0.0 0.0 52012 2252 ? Ss Oct06 0:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd --daemon
[05:55:53] <juggs> root 930 0.0 0.0 43452 1880 ? Ss Oct06 0:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-logind
[05:55:53] <juggs> juggs 4165 0.0 0.0 11752 908 pts/1 S+ 06:55 0:00 grep --colour=auto systemd
[05:56:52] <juggs> I read the GIMP has a systemd dependency now... no idea if that's true... sounds batty if so
[05:57:15] <chromas> it's indirect
[05:57:32] <chromas> I think it's a library it or gtk uses
[05:57:50] <chromas> But see that's why uselessd needs support
[05:57:58] <juggs> yup probably related to gurrnome :D
[05:58:01] <chromas> uselessd is the soylentnews of systemd
[05:58:19] <ar> [2014-10-07 07:58:11|thor|0|~]% grep -i systemd /usr/portage/media-gfx/gimp/gimp-2.8.8-r1.ebuild
[05:58:22] <ar> [2014-10-07 07:58:13|thor|1|~]%
[05:58:22] <chromas> I guess that makes epoch the pipedot
[06:01:44] <ar> and i don't have systemd in my process list:
[06:01:45] <ar> % ps aux | grep -i systemd
[06:01:45] <ar> arachni+ 6989 0.0 0.0 10444 2164 pts/3 S+ 08:01 0:00 grep -i systemd
[06:02:18] <juggs> arch ar?
[06:02:24] <ar> juggs: gentoo
[06:02:33] <juggs> nod nod
[06:07:39] <crutchy> brb
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[06:12:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Earth Has Lost 50% of All Wildlife Creatures Over the Last 40 Years - http://sylnt.us - we-miss-you
[06:12:42] <chromas> What percentage of domesticated creatures have we gained?
[06:16:13] <chromas> sure is a lot of "allergy-friendly" Halloween awareness shit going on this year
[06:16:37] <chromas> Feed your kids dirt. No more allergies. Profit!
[06:16:54] <juggs> you guys still do that trick-or-treat blackmail by kids shit?
[06:17:27] <chromas> No but people keep talking about it
[06:17:34] <chromas> But what I should do is turn the light on
[06:17:57] <chromas> Some kids come knock, I open the door, pull out a candy, then eat it front of them. Slam the door
[06:18:10] <chromas> Better yet, take one of their candies and slam the door
[06:26:16] <chromas> For the next version of slash code, the signup and preferences should have a checkbox that says "Allow tracking" but does nothing
[06:27:32] <juggs> I hear that's pencilled in for the 01-04-15 release... or is that 04-01-15 release?
[06:27:49] <chromas> 2015-01-04
[06:28:38] <chromas> Actually, in that case, it should be a notice at the top that says "We've updated our privacy policy to allow tracking."
[06:29:08] <chromas> with a link to what starts out as a privacy statement but becomes Markov chain drivel
[06:29:33] <juggs> Uggh - let's just call it 1427846400 and be done
[06:29:51] <chromas> Did you go convert the date to a serial number?
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[06:30:30] <juggs> unix time format thingamy
[06:31:04] <juggs> seconds since epoch 1/1/1970
[06:31:15] <chromas> ah
[06:31:22] <chromas> oh yeah it's too short for a therial number
[06:31:31] <chromas> 41730
[06:31:48] <juggs> still pretty arbitrary but at least it avoids month / day confusions
[06:32:36] <chromas> The proper way is to sort by size. Since time is large to small, so should the date
[06:33:01] <chromas> yyyy-mm-dd HH:MM:SS.ssss
[06:34:05] <chromas> uselessd is in the AUR now
[06:34:19] <juggs> hmm... unix epoch looks easier to handle to me as it is an integer - so no need for splitting elements out when handling date/times ~shrug~
[06:34:58] <chromas> use serial number; it's got fractions
[06:35:26] <juggs> 41730 & 18/32 sounds good xD
[06:38:38] <juggs> I want a countdown timer in picoseconds to my death - that would surely focus the mind :D
[06:39:44] <juggs> On that morbid note, I must waste some time being horizontal, comatose and having vivid hallucinations. I think there's an oblig. xkcd in there somewhere :)
[06:41:52] <chromas> Unfortunately the hallucinations occupy but a small part of the time wasted
[06:41:59] <chromas> see ja
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[06:50:29] <SoyCow8459> Is there an editor in the house? Just put in a submission with a couple of minor typos (but not enough to resubmit)...
[06:52:38] <keplr> They usually check for that anyway
[06:53:00] <chromas> But sometimes they'll leave one in on purpose just to get the comments going :)
[06:53:33] <keplr> And to rightly humiliate the submitter :p
[06:54:27] <keplr> chromas: "The proper way is to sort by size. Since time is large to small, so should the date"
[06:54:35] <keplr> I've had long arguments about that
[06:54:42] <chromas> for or against?
[06:54:55] <chromas> big-endian vs small-endian :D
[06:55:09] <keplr> I'm a reasonable and logical person so I'm obviously for it
[06:55:19] <keplr> But there's just no helping some people
[06:55:25] <chromas> keplr++ # for agreeing with me
[06:55:25] <Bender> karma - keplr: 1
[06:55:57] <keplr> Speaking of karma, I just got reddit gold for the first time
[06:56:19] <chromas> Ooh
[06:56:39] <chromas> SoyCow8459: I think I only found one typo
[06:57:09] <SoyCow8459> s/new/news/ is one
[06:57:14] <chromas> That's the one I se
[06:57:16] <chromas> +e
[06:57:49] <SoyCow8459> but MBed is capitalised wrong as well - should be all lowercase "mbed"
[06:58:06] <SoyCow8459> (Hopefully it's a dupe anyway :)
[06:58:11] <chromas> ah
[06:58:47] <chromas> Yeah we lowly serfs don't get to see submissions form the time they're accepted to when they're posted
[06:58:54] <chromas> unless you're a subscriber I think
[07:01:09] <SoyCow8459> I think you can cheat a bit referencing the submission ID using a URL like: http://soylentnews.org
[07:01:09] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN Submission by c0lo 03Yahoo and WinZip hacked using Shellshock
[07:01:26] <SoyCow8459> and changing the ID
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[07:02:34] <SoyCow8459> Try it with 4169 and you get a submission with "link to story" but a nothing to see page at the end....
[07:03:59] <crutchy> chromas, i got rid of that pesky libsystemd-login0
[07:04:13] <chromas> and you rebooted?
[07:04:18] <crutchy> yeah
[07:04:29] <chromas> can you login from text mode?
[07:04:36] <crutchy> i'm giving openbox a crack
[07:04:38] <crutchy> yeah
[07:04:41] <chromas> cool
[07:04:53] <crutchy> 'openbox a crack' :p
[07:05:11] <chromas> one of the guys put uselessd in the AUR so tmb can check it out if he wants. I'm setting up a vm for it
[07:05:17] <crutchy> tbh that lib thing didn't bother me much, but i kinda liked the challenge
[07:05:32] <crutchy> kewl
[07:05:59] <crutchy> i had to remove a bunch of stuff that i was used to, but i'm looking for alternatives
[07:06:32] <chromas> The editors have pasted links to submissions that the bot couldn't get to so there must be some point when they become privileged
[07:06:36] <crutchy> hexchat works, although atm it keeps dcing if i try with 6697
[07:06:48] <chromas> probably should've prefixed with SoyCow8459
[07:06:57] <chromas> that's odd
[07:07:20] <crutchy> might be something to do with there being no dbus
[07:07:30] <crutchy> i dunno though
[07:07:51] <chromas> you took that out too?
[07:08:04] <crutchy> yeah i think that was linked to it somehow
[07:08:06] <chromas> whatever happened to dcop?
[07:08:21] <crutchy> dunno
[07:08:23] * chromas remembers when kde used dcop for everything. Now it's all dbus
[07:08:44] <chromas> Pepperidge Farm remembers
[07:08:58] <crutchy> all the cool looking file managers seem to use dbus which kinda blows, but i'm trying out gentoo (package, not distro)
[07:09:17] <crutchy> doesn't look too bad. kinda geeky
[07:09:34] <chromas> part of it is managing hotplugged devices I think
[07:09:44] <crutchy> i'll see if i can grab a screenshot (might need to find a package that will do it)
[07:09:56] <crutchy> firefox still seems to work
[07:10:05] <ar> scrot
[07:10:21] * chromas scratches
[07:10:23] <crutchy> even gedit is installed still but it comes up with some dbus error bs
[07:10:39] <crutchy> synaptic is still there (phew)
[07:11:02] <ar> it's hard to get by without dbus
[07:11:14] <ar> it's still possible to get by without systemdrama
[07:11:18] <crutchy> maybe, but not impossible
[07:11:41] <ar> you can't get a usable browser without dbus libraries
[07:11:52] <ar> (even dwb, indirectly, needs it)
[07:11:53] <crutchy> ar, the only package that dbus needed was libsystmd-login0
[07:12:00] <crutchy> i was still using sysvinit before
[07:12:03] <chromas> crutchy: reinstall it
[07:12:09] <chromas> just dbus
[07:12:32] <crutchy> it might try to reinstall libsystemd-login0, but i'll try it out
[07:13:08] <crutchy> lol
[07:13:26] <crutchy> dbus has a single dependency... guess which one
[07:13:33] <chromas> logino? Sounds Spanish or Maybe Italian
[07:13:43] <chromas> force install
[07:13:56] <crutchy> hmm not sure how to do that
[07:14:05] * crutchy does man apt
[07:14:11] <chromas> me'ither; don't have debian
[07:14:19] <chromas> I'm sure Konomi knows
[07:14:24] <chromas> or NCommander
[07:14:29] <chromas> (ding)
[07:14:31] <crutchy> yeah she's a genius
[07:15:17] <crutchy> hmm wonder if i can get it from backports
[07:15:33] <chromas> What?
[07:16:07] <crutchy> or frontports
[07:16:15] <crutchy> or sidewaysports
[07:17:25] <Konomi> hmm?
[07:17:29] <Konomi> what are you trying to do?
[07:17:48] <chromas> force install dbus without a dependency
[07:18:03] <Konomi> why?
[07:18:25] <chromas> apparently all the file managers want dbus
[07:19:33] <chromas> I don't see any sort of force install option in apt-get or aptitude
[07:19:36] <chromas> debian--
[07:19:36] <Bender> karma - debian: 30
[07:20:18] <Konomi> sorry why is that a problem?
[07:20:59] <chromas> for when you want to do things that might get you into trouble
[07:21:17] <chromas> crutchy: maybe dpkg --force-depends
[07:23:04] <Konomi> soon as someone names packages they're installing I'll help ;p
[07:23:08] <Konomi> and what deps they don't want
[07:23:33] <chromas> he removed libsystemd-login0 to see what would happen
[07:23:42] <chromas> sounds like it took dbus with it
[07:23:58] <Konomi> reinstall dbus then?
[07:24:18] <chromas> crutchy: did your box die?
[07:24:35] <chromas> wouldn't that reinstall libsystemd-login0 though?
[07:25:00] <Konomi> so what ;p ?
[07:25:16] <Konomi> systemd-sysv is the init
[07:25:25] <Konomi> libsystemd-login0 is just for front end crap
[07:25:44] <Konomi> The libsystemd-login library provides an interface for the systemd-logind service which is used to track user sessions
[07:25:47] <Konomi> and seats.
[07:26:10] <Konomi> if you wany sysvinit you have to have components of systemd with systemd-shim
[07:26:22] <Konomi> at least if you want some of the major DEs
[07:26:31] <chromas> I think he wanted to see how much he could get away with not having
[07:26:57] <Konomi> and the senssion manager felt like something he didn't need ;p ?
[07:27:06] <chromas> well it still seemed to work
[07:27:14] <chromas> except for the dbus part
[07:28:12] <crutchy> i'm still here
[07:28:23] <Konomi> reinstall dbus
[07:28:28] <crutchy> i gave up with the dbus thingy. i'm too dumb
[07:28:39] <crutchy> it depends on libsystemd-login0
[07:28:41] <Konomi> sudo apt-get install dbus
[07:28:42] <chromas> crutchy: install lfs
[07:28:49] <crutchy> lfs?
[07:28:55] <chromas> linux from scratch
[07:28:58] <crutchy> lol
[07:28:58] <ciri> hehehe
[07:30:08] <crutchy> tbh, if the whole systemd debacle is over one lib package it seems a bit overblown. why not complain about dbus, or even xorg? everything depends on xorg... monsters!
[07:30:23] <crutchy> xorg--
[07:30:23] <Bender> karma - xorg: -1
[07:31:01] <chromas> wayland++ #smithers
[07:31:01] <Bender> karma - wayland: 1
[07:31:59] <crutchy> i might end up just reinstalling dbus... cos i like gedit
[07:32:06] <crutchy> i miss it already :(
[07:32:38] <crutchy> if it means i gotta have one lousy systemd lib, i don't care
[07:33:12] <chromas> b-b-b-ut it's eviil
[07:33:23] <chromas> systemd eats children
[07:33:37] <crutchy> its good to know that it is at least possible to run a debian wm without any systemd packages
[07:34:38] <crutchy> and dbus seems to be the only real stickingpoint
[07:34:50] <crutchy> maybe we need a dbus-shim
[07:35:04] <chromas> dpkg --force-depends --install dbus
[07:35:11] <crutchy> or just a dbus without libsystemd-login0
[07:35:25] <crutchy> hmm i'll try that :)
[07:35:41] <chromas> your xfce login still works?
[07:35:51] <crutchy> nah... dbus
[07:36:06] <crutchy> had to login from prompt and startx
[07:36:31] <chromas> may find out it needs systemd-login on the other end of dbus
[07:36:41] <chromas> needs somebody to talk to
[07:37:09] <Konomi> dbus depends on systemd
[07:37:14] <Konomi> not libsystemd-login0
[07:37:29] <Konomi> Depends: libaudit1 (>= 1:2.2.1), libc6 (>= 2.17), libcap-ng0, libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.7.6), libexpat1 (>= 2.0.1), libselinux1 (>= 2.0.65), libsystemd0, adduser, lsb-base (>= 3.2-14)
[07:37:38] <crutchy> yeah
[07:37:48] <crutchy> that's why i don't have dbus atm
[07:37:59] <crutchy> (as a test in a vm)
[07:39:16] <Konomi> don't remove it just leave it and install the sysv init of choice ;p
[07:39:29] <chromas> crutchy: try epoch
[07:40:02] <crutchy> i was using sysvinit before. it was only the one libsystemd-login0 package that i was trying to see if i could snuff out
[07:40:26] <crutchy> i've never had the full systemd init thingy installed
[07:40:50] <Konomi> you can't because dbus and various DEs require logind
[07:40:55] <Konomi> it's a standard now
[07:41:18] <chromas> You should. I've been using systemd on the desktop for years. It makes my modem faster and keeps the toilet clean
[07:41:20] <Konomi> http://www.freedesktop.org
[07:41:27] <crutchy> that's the libsystemd-login0 thingy i guess
[07:41:45] * crutchy opens link
[07:41:45] <Konomi> note the security section and all the stuff this handles ;p
[07:42:19] <crutchy> surely everyone not bitching about logind are they?
[07:42:52] <crutchy> meh fukkit ima just install dbus
[07:45:51] <crutchy> ah fuck now i gotta reinstall most of xfce :p
[07:47:14] <crutchy> is there an alternative to logind?
[07:47:29] <crutchy> doesn't seem like that big a package
[07:48:01] <Konomi> no ;p
[07:48:37] <crutchy> what was there before logind came along? was it all handled by dbus or something?
[07:48:45] <crutchy> or pam?
[07:49:52] <crutchy> or are programs doing something that's completely new
[07:50:59] * crutchy misses nautilus too
[07:51:45] <crutchy> a system without dbus is usable, but it would take a little bit to get used to
[07:52:30] <Konomi> that and you'ld be doing every singel hardware event ;p
[07:52:45] <crutchy> like mounts etc?
[07:53:48] <crutchy> i'm pretty sure debian did that stuff before logind came along. squeeze didn't have logind did it?
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[07:54:33] <crutchy> g'day idetuxs
[07:54:49] <chromas> for a while there was consolekit and some other stuff
[07:55:12] <Konomi> consolekit is getting replaced by systemd-login
[07:55:13] <chromas> crutchy: that's one of the complaints. tentacles
[07:55:29] <Konomi> and consolekit is very dated and barely had any work
[07:55:36] <Konomi> same with pm-utils
[07:55:43] <Konomi> a lot of this stuff has just been left to rott over time
[07:57:43] <crutchy> i don't personally have a problem with logind if its taken over a dead predecessor. i dunno why anyone else would. its only one package. k its fairly low level (in a similar bag to dbus and xorg)
[07:58:39] <crutchy> Konomi, i'm just trying to get a sense of why there's so much attention being given to systemd
[07:58:49] <Konomi> cause everyone likes to moan
[07:58:53] <crutchy> doesn't seem like much of a muchness to me, but i'm dumb
[07:58:57] <Konomi> and in debian the transition has been painful
[07:59:26] <Konomi> https://bugs.debian.org
[07:59:55] <crutchy> hopefully someone will make a replacement libsystemd-login0 to give everyone another choice, but it seems like if the other choices aren't being maintained anymore, thats not much of a choice :/
[08:00:37] <crutchy> esp with security implications
[08:00:40] <Konomi> that's the package that handles other inits to interact with parts of systemd that many DEs now require
[08:01:26] <crutchy> so the bitching is just cos gnome/kde require more of systemd?
[08:01:50] <crutchy> s/more/moar/
[08:01:50] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> so the bitching is just cos gnome/kde require moar of systemd?
[08:02:10] <Konomi> they're just bitching because they can and that's mostly all there is to it
[08:02:32] <crutchy> i guess everyone likes to bitch about something
[08:04:15] <idetuxs> godd day crutchy !
[08:05:23] <idetuxs> Hi chromas, Konomi
[08:05:28] <idetuxs> o/
[08:05:31] <Konomi> hey
[08:05:44] <crutchy> chromas, this is what a system without dbus looks like: http://picpaste.com
[08:05:49] <chromas> ~g'day idetuxs
[08:09:34] <crutchy> putting my beloved nautilus browser. and openbox has been interesting, but...
[08:09:36] <crutchy> xfce++
[08:09:36] <Bender> karma - xfce: 3
[08:10:10] <chromas> aha! You also peeked at sublinux
[08:10:55] <chromas> and uh, where are your custom buttons?
[08:11:15] <idetuxs> bacon.php? xD
[08:12:19] <chromas> crutchy: next time, upload, take a screenshot, upload, screenshot, several times so the screenshot is in the screenshot
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[08:21:37] <crutchy> woohoo i gots my gedit back :)
[08:21:57] <crutchy> don't need xfce or gnome for that (just gnome libs)'
[08:23:32] <Konomi> if you really want to clean up systems
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[08:23:39] <Konomi> >.<
[08:23:44] <Konomi> guess I'll tell him when he gets back
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[08:32:35] <crutchy> back in xfce :)
[08:32:37] <chromas> finally! We put the conversations on hold for you, crutchy
[08:32:49] <crutchy> hah
[08:33:29] <chromas> did you nuke your windows while you were at it?
[08:33:39] <crutchy> windows?
[08:33:47] <chromas> the host os
[08:34:02] <crutchy> sorry konomi i must've nixed the window just as you messaged
[08:34:03] <chromas> nuke and pave linux over it :D
[08:34:21] <crutchy> debian is host on my desktop
[08:34:36] <chromas> not on the lap?
[08:34:42] <chromas> ^ you're
[08:35:02] <crutchy> i'll prolly eventually nuke windows on the lappy, but not sure i can get an oem license to activate on a vbox
[08:35:17] <crutchy> would be still nice to have win7 as a vm at least
[08:35:47] <crutchy> windows licensing is crappy
[08:38:19] <crutchy> was a fun little experiment anyway
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[08:38:53] <crutchy> i'm pretty sure at least some of the systemd hype is just that
[08:39:03] <crutchy> some might be genuine
[08:39:18] <crutchy> it seems like early days, at least for debian
[08:39:26] <chromas> some
[08:39:52] <chromas> But Konomi's also right, many projects it 'ate' were abandoned
[08:40:04] <chromas> so somebody picked up the slack
[08:42:54] <crutchy> i guess that's a good thing. especially with the bash thingy
[08:43:13] <crutchy> don't want abandoned programs looking after anything security-related
[08:45:53] <Konomi> I ended up replacing pm utils with my own stuff
[08:47:28] <crutchy> so you're the systemd saviour
[08:47:51] <crutchy> the angel that will beat down the meat of the devil
[08:48:23] <crutchy> i can't do shell shit
[08:48:26] <crutchy> too hard
[08:49:19] <Konomi> it's for me not others
[08:49:22] * Konomi hides
[08:49:38] * crutchy doesn't blame you
[08:49:47] <crutchy> look what happened to the systemd guy
[08:49:52] <chromas> Too late! You already posted it on that seedy looking paste site
[08:50:03] <crutchy> lmao seedy
[08:50:09] <Konomi> good luck finding the code
[08:50:33] * chromas whips out an sql query
[08:51:10] <Konomi> it's all power management codew anyway do any of you even use laptops ;p
[08:51:11] <crutchy> sudo grep::shellshock/white-rabbit --konomictl get-code ~/awesomed/*
[08:51:42] <crutchy> me usig lapy :)
[08:51:51] <crutchy> *lappy
[08:53:16] <chromas> 30 links to paste.ofcode.org
[08:53:42] <crutchy> don't go to that seedy site man. you'll get shellshocked for sure
[08:53:46] * chromas gasps!
[08:53:48] <crutchy> with w32/bash
[08:53:53] <chromas> it's gone, man!
[08:54:07] <crutchy> it was an inside job
[08:54:17] <chromas> It doesn't really seem seedy I guess except it has no metadata
[08:54:19] <crutchy> that code fell at freefall speed!
[08:54:30] <chromas> like who runs it or the source code or anything
[08:55:03] <crutchy> the source code isn't really used for anything. its just a nerd version of a powerpoint presentation
[08:55:12] <crutchy> its all windows binaries underneath
[08:55:28] <crutchy> and nmap
[08:55:48] <crutchy> cos trinity showed us you could blow up a power plant with just nmap
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[08:57:11] <chromas> That's all they showed but actually she also used Teardrop
[08:58:22] * crutchy watched some dudes killing dudes on liveleak. wtf is up with the allah akhbar thingy? are they all mad empire strikes back fans?
[08:59:02] <chromas> ?
[08:59:17] <crutchy> every time something gets bombed they yell it out
[08:59:30] <chromas> but star wars?
[08:59:48] <crutchy> kinda sounds like admiral akhbar
[08:59:57] <crutchy> fish dude
[09:00:11] <chromas> that must've been before they started taking words and chopping off the first syllable
[09:00:23] <chromas> darth ectum
[09:00:38] <chromas> anyway according to the intertubez it mean great god
[09:00:45] <chromas> or something similar
[09:01:44] <crutchy> oh so theyre really not that much different to redneck bimbos that scream 'oh my gaawd' at the top of their lungs
[09:02:21] <chromas> except the come in a different way
[09:11:37] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
[09:11:37] <NetCraft> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[09:22:13] <chromas> is that the boss key?
[09:23:17] <crutchy> ooh looks like bot code to me
[09:23:42] <crutchy> or just an irssi script
[09:23:55] <crutchy> robots are taking over
[09:24:08] * chromas puts a robot in tama
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[09:26:51] <chromas> Come back, tonyPick
[09:47:32] <crutchy> coffee++
[09:47:32] <Bender> karma - coffee: 918
[09:47:55] <Konomi> caffeine++
[09:47:56] <Bender> karma - caffeine: 22
[09:48:00] <Konomi> going to win eventually
[09:50:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Growing Pains for Google Fiber - http://sylnt.us - give-the-people-what-they-want
[09:56:37] <chromas> got uselessd running in a vm
[09:58:36] <crutchy> ooh
[09:58:42] <crutchy> chromas++
[09:58:42] <Bender> karma - chromas: 44
[09:59:10] <crutchy> it doesn't replace dbus or logind?
[09:59:46] <chromas> the other guys did most of the work. I just had to force uninstall systemd (because dependencies aren'w worked out in the package I guess)
[10:00:20] <chromas> I think at the moment you just kind of keep that other stuff installed
[10:02:20] <chromas> systemd++ # :D
[10:02:21] <Bender> karma - systemd: -3
[10:09:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:09:55] <Bender> karma - coffee: 919
[10:24:37] <crutchy> hehe... http://www.liveleak.com
[10:24:37] <NetCraft> ^ 03LiveLeak.com - Cocky Cartel Members Demonstrate How Difficult It Is To Get Past The U.S. Border
[10:27:07] <chromas> Those crafty illegals, sneaking back into Mexico
[10:29:31] <crutchy> hahaha
[10:29:34] <crutchy> maybe
[10:29:51] <chromas> kind of a sill-ily designed fence
[10:33:53] <crutchy> here's one for you chromas :)
[10:33:54] <crutchy> http://www.liveleak.com
[10:33:54] <NetCraft> ^ 03LiveLeak.com - Olesya The Beautiful Bikini Clad Russian Contortionist
[10:34:02] <chromas> seems like most of the commenters are tards
[10:34:25] <crutchy> love the first comment: "Other then my boss, she is the only person I have seen who can put their head up their ass."
[10:34:47] <crutchy> music is nice
[10:34:59] <crutchy> she's got no tits
[10:35:57] <chromas> pretty common for athletic women
[10:36:04] <chromas> but not the men :)
[10:37:50] <chromas> wonder if she'd roll off if someone snuck up and tickled a foot
[10:58:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> pulling single stories working. http://tmbvm.ddns.net
[10:59:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> works by either sid=832 or sid=14/08/07/1647258
[10:59:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> comments next you think?
[11:01:23] <crutchy> still have to strip tags and clean up a bit, but still easier than scraping raw html
[11:01:26] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard++
[11:01:27] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 86
[11:01:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. stored in the db like that
[11:02:23] <crutchy> the sid thing is cool
[11:02:24] <chromas> Swollen_batteries--
[11:02:24] <Bender> karma - swollen_batteries: -1
[11:02:35] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard++
[11:02:35] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 87
[11:03:06] <crutchy> actually, an api call that would be awesome would be an op where you supply cid and it spits out the sid
[11:03:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm. could get the discussion id pretty easy, dunno if the sid is attached
[11:03:54] <crutchy> cos then hyperlinks could be made with just the cid
[11:04:26] <crutchy> maybe another api call; supply cid and get the entire url :p
[11:05:29] <crutchy> or maybe a redirect to the full url... or a redirect switch
[11:05:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> oi, don't go getting that many on the table at once. i'll forget them.
[11:06:20] <crutchy> sorry get a bit carried away ;p
[11:06:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can already make hyperlinks with just the cid, no?
[11:06:50] <crutchy> not that i'm aware of
[11:07:14] <crutchy> need the sid (the integer, not the date format)
[11:07:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh, nope
[11:07:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, lemme lookit the db
[11:07:32] <crutchy> lol
[11:07:33] <ciri> i missed it, what are you laughing at? >.>
[11:08:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, yeah the sid is stored in with the cid
[11:10:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't see any need for the getcomment call to take a sid too though
[11:11:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> specially since part of what's returned will be the sid it's attached to.
[11:13:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... appears we gotta jump through hoops to find what discussion a comment is attached to given a cid
[11:14:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> what story is easy but then you gotta look up the discussion id from the story info.
[11:15:03] <crutchy> ~rehash
[11:15:24] <crutchy> pfft 404 bot not found
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[11:16:17] <crutchy> ~suggest-api actually, an api call that would be awesome would be an op where you supply cid and it spits out the sid
[11:16:59] <crutchy> lol function not defined: strim :p
[11:17:22] <crutchy> ~suggest-api actually, an api call that would be awesome would be an op where you supply cid and it spits out the sid
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[11:19:23] <crutchy> ~suggest-api supply cid and get the entire url
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[11:19:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to have the api spitting out the entire comment structure from the db which includes the sid. working on pulling whole discussions first then singles
[11:19:43] <crutchy> sounds like a plan
[11:20:45] <crutchy> ~suggest-api redirect to the full url... or a redirect switch
[11:20:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... i may just put hyperlinks in the data returned from a single story or single comment
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[11:21:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait redirect, how you mean?
[11:21:21] <chromas> Can you jack any code from NCommander's nntp adapter?
[11:21:33] <crutchy> supply a cid and it redirects you to the comment url
[11:21:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> possibly but i wouldn't know where to start.
[11:21:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Linux systemd Dev Says Open Source is 'SICK', Kernel Community 'Awful' - http://sylnt.us - Mr-Popularity
[11:22:04] <chromas> He meant it in a good way
[11:22:26] <chromas> Yo dude that shit is sick!
[11:22:28] <crutchy> Bender, s/'/'FOOLY /
[11:22:28] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Linux systemd Dev Says Open Source is 'FOOLY SICK', Kernel Community 'Awful' - http://sylnt.us - Mr-Popularity
[11:22:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, oh, no. not going to do redirects. when you hit an api you do it cause you want data.
[11:23:08] <crutchy> SedBot9000, s/K/K WITH THE SUB WOOFER MATE!/
[11:23:08] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> <SedBot9000> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Linux systemd Dev Says Open Source is 'FOOLY SICK WITH THE SUB WOOFER MATE!', Kernel Community 'Awful' - http://sylnt.us - Mr-Popularity
[11:23:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> api isn't going to be made for browsers. made for scripts which dunno wtf to do with a redirect.
[11:24:07] <crutchy> np. i'm full of ideas when i'm not the one implementing :D
[11:24:36] <crutchy> just use the ones that you find interesting (if any)
[11:24:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> planned on it
[11:25:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, ima skip crafting urls right into the story/comment structures. they come with all you need to craft your own anyway.
[11:26:18] * chromas will create a desktop soylentnews application using it just for fun
[11:27:14] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[11:27:15] <NetCraft> ^ 03Fat Pizza - Sick Mate, Sick, Subwoofer - YouTube
[11:27:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> figured someone would
[11:27:56] <crutchy> habib++
[11:27:56] <Bender> karma - habib: 1
[11:28:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> be nice if folks would create android/ios apps too so they can use that instead of mobile browsers
[11:28:16] <ciri> me too, smoke time! TheMightyBuzzard
[11:29:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> no more huge headaches for me if they're doing the formatting
[11:29:16] <chromas> Java--
[11:29:16] <Bender> karma - java: -10
[11:29:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> didn't necessarily mean you =P
[11:30:13] <chromas> Although fpc does have an android target. I should look into it
[11:30:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> bound to have some fool^Wnice user who writes java regularly
[11:30:34] <chromas> Make a soylent app plus a Donate version
[11:31:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... going to have to do some kind of auth for this sucker too.
[11:32:24] <chromas> Does it automatically use ssh when the server is set up for it?
[11:32:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~suggest-api need app based access key authorization
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[11:32:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> does which what?
[11:32:54] <chromas> Your api
[11:33:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ssl you mean?
[11:33:10] <chromas> Yeah
[11:33:25] <chromas> I thought it was wrong but
[11:33:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> it doesn't currently care what you do a request on but it isn't returning urls either
[11:33:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can craft em as https or http whichever you like
[11:34:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> cept for my vm which doesn't have ssl built into apache.
[11:34:37] <chromas> Just thinking of encryption during the api calls themselves
[11:35:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, it's going to be running on the regular old server so whichever you come in on is what it'll go out on.
[11:35:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> may even need to require ssl for auths
[11:36:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> though i think we're going to be requiring ssl eventually anyway for the whole site.
[11:43:17] <crutchy> wikimedia api uses normal login system but designates bots with a bot flag, which are permitted to use the api. maybe SN could do something similar
[11:44:40] <crutchy> at least then dont need to craft any new auth system
[11:45:13] <crutchy> just need a hook from existing system... not sure if that's possible with slash
[11:45:30] <crutchy> i guess anything's theoretically possible
[11:46:28] <crutchy> ~suggest-api wikimedia api uses normal login system but designates bots with a bot flag, which are permitted to use the api. maybe SN could do something similar
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[11:46:51] <crutchy> why the hell doesn't xchat do normal copy/paste?
[11:47:31] <crutchy> gotta select text, right click, left click out of the context menu, then ctrl+c, then usually ctrl+v
[11:51:51] <chromas> What about hexchat?
[11:53:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> sec, testing something
[12:00:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> you'd need cookies enabled to use the existing auth system. i'm thinking just POST apikey=<yourapikey> as part of the request.
[12:00:07] <crutchy> wholly fucking shitballs
[12:00:08] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[12:00:09] <NetCraft> ^ 03Russians Illegally Free Climb Shanghai SkyScraper - YouTube
[12:00:20] <crutchy> wtf is wrong with russians?
[12:00:51] <crutchy> last 30 seconds is INSANE!
[12:01:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't ask me on xchat. hexchat works fine on both middle click and ^C/^V methods
[12:02:49] <crutchy> they standing up on the tip of a fricking kangaroo crane on top of an unfinished skycraper
[12:02:57] <crutchy> oops
[12:03:04] <crutchy> skycrapers++
[12:03:04] <Bender> karma - skycrapers: 1
[12:03:29] <crutchy> imagine taking a dump from where they are. nobody would believe where it came from
[12:05:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> right now i'm thinking put a button to generate an auth key in the Preferences page
[12:05:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> and just make every request a post request with that api key in the post data
[12:06:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess you could use a get as well but that's really, really insecure even over https
[12:08:03] <chromas> Eyes each mistrust their own api own then?
[12:08:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> really need some kind of auth system so we can revoke auths easily if someone tries to pull the entire site with every request cause they suck at coding.
[12:09:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> not so much for security cause it's public data for the most part.
[12:09:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, was that english?
[12:10:24] <chromas> The sleep's english
[12:10:40] <chromas> Meant each user
[12:11:33] <chromas> Need found able to login as a user for posting and modding
[12:11:39] <chromas> Dammit
[12:12:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> you typing from something with autocorrect?
[12:12:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause stop it
[12:12:10] <chromas> Not getting spaces so keyboard changes things
[12:12:26] <chromas> Need to be able to login as a user for posting and modding
[12:12:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, yeah.
[12:13:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... have to do something for that eventually, yeah
[12:13:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> first version is going to be read-only i think though.
[12:13:45] <chromas> Grabbing audiovisual cookie from the web page will work too
[12:14:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> or at least i'm not going to start on the write methods until the read end is done.
[12:14:14] <chromas> Now I know I had that right
[12:14:30] <chromas> Grabbing a cookie from the web page will work too
[12:14:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, i spose we could use oauth or regular login if your script can do cookies
[12:15:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> and we already have most of the code for cookies
[12:15:44] <chromas> As long as the api takes cookies
[12:16:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> it can i suppose. no reason it couldn't if i wanted it to.
[12:16:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean it's mostly entirely using underlying slash code
[12:16:48] <chromas> Only once it can write or at least give access to my secret Messages
[12:16:50] <crutchy> there's a reasonable amount of security in the slash auth system already
[12:17:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:17:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, we can prolly skip oauth and use what we have. on you lot to implement cookie handling though.
[12:17:53] <crutchy> for exec to submit a comment, it must first make a post request to login, then with every subsequent request it must send cookie data, but in addition it must also send form key
[12:18:19] <crutchy> exec has cookie functions
[12:18:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> form key? don't confuse me cause we use form keys as something entirely different
[12:18:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> api key and cookie though, yes
[12:19:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> api key with EVERY request. cookie only necessary for if you want to be logged in.
[12:19:41] <crutchy> could use reskeys for api
[12:20:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, reskeys will be used where they're also used in the web frontend.
[12:20:33] <crutchy> prolly need some kind of anti-abuse anyway
[12:20:34] <chromas> So do I publish api key with source or keep it a secret?
[12:21:05] <crutchy> api key should be unique to SN user profile?
[12:21:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> go ahead and publish. if it gets abused we'll email you before making you regenerate it unless it's being used in a ddos or something.
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[12:21:51] <chromas> That would be good. Something to enable/grab from the user's page
[12:22:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, prolly md5sum(salt+uid)
[12:22:33] <chromas> My api key is hunter12345
[12:22:52] <crutchy> would reskeys make api key different with every request?
[12:23:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, reskeys are something you'd never see. they're all on the server.
[12:23:32] <crutchy> oh
[12:23:42] <crutchy> how are formkeys generated?
[12:23:50] <crutchy> not by reskey?
[12:23:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> bout the same way as reskeys.
[12:23:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> very similar
[12:25:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> all you'll need are an api key and if you wanna be logged in a cookie
[12:25:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> rest will all be request in, useful data out
[12:26:04] <crutchy> sounds good
[12:26:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly it'd be better if we used oauth or something and didn't have to publish api keys but meh
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[12:27:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> too much trouble for you lot imo
[12:27:09] <crutchy> what's oauth?
[12:27:17] <crutchy> ~define oauth
[12:27:20] * chromas gets a code boner
[12:27:24] <exec> [wikipedia] 3Oauth: OAuth is an open standard to authorization. OAuth provides client applications a 'secure delegated access' to server resources on behalf of a resource owner. It specifies a process for resource owners...
[12:27:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> what facebook/google/twitter/etc use for logging in to the api without having to publish your api key.
[12:28:27] <crutchy> could just make it login normally
[12:28:37] <crutchy> like a normal user would
[12:28:49] <crutchy> (except without the htmlery)
[12:29:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, going to for if you wanna be logged in. api key will do for ACs.
[12:29:29] <crutchy> ah. so a kind of 2-tier api
[12:29:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> insomuch as much as the site is, yeah
[12:30:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean ya don't gotta be logged in to post AC or read stuff but if you want your preferences used you gotta log in.
[12:30:33] <crutchy> i guess an A/C api might reduce server traffic for things like feeds etc
[12:31:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> like if you want offtopic to be +1, logged in
[12:31:41] <crutchy> though xml is reasonably compact. is there a way to specify number of stories for the xml feed, just outta curiosity?
[12:31:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, it's a static file
[12:32:06] <crutchy> mkay. no probs
[12:32:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> technically we can enable that for rss but we had some kind of issues with dynamic rss last time we tried to enable it.
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[12:33:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, LaminatorX
[12:33:30] <LaminatorX> So far, thanks.
[12:33:32] <crutchy> xml isn't a big download. i doubt my little 20 min feed would even register on your server
[12:33:56] <crutchy> tiny blip
[12:34:23] <crutchy> sorry, 30 min feed
[12:35:19] <crutchy> downloads 21 url sources over about 2 minutes
[12:35:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:35:58] <crutchy> api calls would prolly reduce content size though
[12:36:55] <Konomi> amusing
[12:37:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> not really worried about content size at this point. send it Content-Encoding: gzip and we should be fine.
[12:37:05] <Konomi> I have a video of someone critising dbus and consolekit
[12:37:10] <Konomi> for the same reasons people now give for systemd
[12:37:11] <Konomi> lol
[12:37:11] <ciri> HAHAHAHA
[12:37:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha
[12:37:29] <crutchy> i guess they have similarities
[12:37:32] <Konomi> video in the second comment of the whole systemd article
[12:37:45] <crutchy> dbus is fairly ubiquitous
[12:38:33] <crutchy> we should start a comment thread bashing xorg... cos its got its greasy mits in every linux distro!
[12:38:37] <crutchy> gaarrrr!
[12:39:45] <crutchy> those bastards
[12:41:09] <crutchy> tmb, gzip no prob for php. not sure how easy for other langs, like pascal. chromas? you more up with pascal than me dude
[12:41:52] <chromas> There's a gzip unit
[12:42:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> most anything that can handle a http request can deal with content encoding: gzip
[12:46:40] <chromas> Should that be default?
[12:47:16] <chromas> Or is that not something the client requests
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[12:55:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> it should be the default if the client sends the right accept encoding string
[13:00:44] <chromas> New Blender's out
[13:09:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://tmbvm.ddns.net
[13:10:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> bit too much info really. should trim some out but i don't feel like it right now
[13:11:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Michigan Builds Driverless Town for Testing Autonomous Cars - http://sylnt.us
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[13:16:59] <crutchy> ~time
[13:17:01] <exec> Wednesday, 8 October 2014 @ 12:17 am GMT+11 - Traralgon VIC, Australia
[13:17:08] <crutchy> nighty night
[13:18:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> nite
[13:18:48] <ciri> good nite TheMightyBuzzard
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[13:36:34] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[13:36:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 920
[13:36:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn straight
[13:36:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:36:59] <Bender> karma - coffee: 921
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[13:45:25] <Blackmoore> tho to be honest - this cup tastes burnt and it isnt helping me wake up. think I'll need one off the kurag
[13:50:41] <paulej72> Blackmoore: add more surgar :)
[13:51:12] <paulej72> and it’s not burnt, it carameled
[14:09:02] <Blackmoore> I wonder if anyone in the office has caramel.. hmm..
[14:17:46] <ar> coffee--
[14:17:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 920
[14:17:48] <ar> tea++
[14:17:48] <Bender> karma - tea: 66
[14:40:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New York City Kills Hidden Phone Booth Devices - http://sylnt.us
[14:49:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> the more I learn about JavaScript, the more I'm thinking of it as a really shitty syntax for LISP.
[14:57:10] <Blackmoore> Who's LISP do you know? when i came across that last LISP was a never ending three command and too many () and [] than i ever wanted to deal with?
[14:57:19] <Blackmoore> at least Javascript had commands.
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[15:22:10] <AndyTheAbsurd> I know both common LISP and MzScheme.
[15:22:32] <AndyTheAbsurd> But working in Node.js makes JavaScript seem a lot like a functional language.
[15:30:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SoylentNews Asks: Where Else do you Hang Out? - http://sylnt.us - spreading-the-word
[15:35:23] <mrcoolbp> !uid
[15:35:23] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4772, owned by curunir_wolf
[15:38:10] * juggs whacks mrcoolbp
[15:38:33] <mrcoolbp> Ay, what now?
[15:38:52] <juggs> just because ~shrug~ :D
[15:39:14] * mrcoolbp grabs his unobtanium banhammer of kicking +328974238742897
[15:39:37] <juggs> uk-ohh I forgot about that
[15:39:42] <mrcoolbp> mmm hmmm
[15:50:28] <ar> Blackmoore: lisp is nice and readable
[15:50:59] <ar> Blackmoore: sure, you can make awful things with it, but you can do that with anything
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[16:10:43] <LaminatorX> /nick LaminatorX|afk
[16:12:46] <mrcoolbp> lol
[16:21:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - ARM Announces a New Low-Power OS: mbed - http://sylnt.us - next-up-are-mcot-msofa-and-mrecliner
[16:22:18] <swiss> https://www.reddit.com
[16:22:27] <swiss> best laugh i've had in a while
[16:43:52] <Landon> heh
[16:43:56] <Landon> you want a better laugh?
[16:45:09] <Landon> http://www.reddit.com
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[17:31:07] <Blackmoore> ar: it was college. the professor wasnt going to let you do anything readable.
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[18:10:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mesh Networks and Firechat Make ‘Switching Off the Internet’ That Much Harder - http://sylnt.us - not-hard-enough-though
[18:38:01] <Blackmoore> eh "Medium"..
[18:38:35] <Blackmoore> i dont know if you are a magazine or a blog, or just where "professional" writers go when they dont have a better gig.
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[18:42:00] <juggs> it's quite an odd collection of things for sure
[18:43:13] <Blackmoore> yeah. and i have to assume these are pro writers. but i can't assume that they are getting paid. so why can't we get one of these guys. :P
[18:43:58] <juggs> have we asked? :D
[19:03:46] <Blackmoore> well - of course not. hell Dopefish and I are going to try to spearhead a call for original content. but we can't really pay anyone.
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[19:27:09] <Blackmoore> and well, some part of me want to give a voice to new voices. and at the same time I'm not about to ok a page full of dribble (like weve seen in the comments over systemd or gamergate)
[19:28:06] <Blackmoore> so we'll have to move slowly - perhaps stick to science and perhaps hacks / build projects
[19:31:59] <juggs> difficult to get right for sure
[19:37:17] <Blackmoore> yeah. even before we make a call out to everyone I want to get a discussion about good source material.
[19:41:00] <chromas> Somebody was talking about doing book reviews the other day in here
[19:52:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Glut of Postdoc Researchers Stirs Quiet Crisis in Science - http://sylnt.us - more-burger-flippers
[19:55:56] <chromas> Isn't that what happened with psych majors? That's why we have so many crime dramas
[19:57:50] <Blackmoore> I think that's (book reviews) a good place to start too. we're looking for conversations - not drama
[20:05:54] <chromas> ^ keplr
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[20:24:03] <AndyTheAbsurd> book reviews are already a thing that that OTHER site does occasionally (or at least did occasionally, I don't remember seeing one in a while); would people think that we were trying to imitate them? (Which I guess to some degree we are...)
[20:25:19] <chromas> Not if the reviews are good :)
[20:26:20] <AndyTheAbsurd> heh. true.
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[20:43:56] <crutchy> someone could write a little book appraising systemd, and then do a review on it :p
[20:44:01] <crutchy> coffee++
[20:44:01] <Bender> karma - coffee: 921
[20:46:51] <chromas> systemd sets my heart a-flutter and gives me trouserosis
[20:47:22] <chromas> trouser bulgeosis
[20:50:04] <crutchy> we should make a new all-encompassing daemon that does even more than systemd
[20:50:11] <crutchy> we shall call it... system32d
[20:51:23] <crutchy> or system32DD
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[20:53:20] <crutchy> ~suggest-api maybe make the basic api.pl with no parameters go to a doc page on how to use the api
[20:53:27] <exec> *** suggestion successfully added to wiki - http://sylnt.us
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[20:54:43] <crutchy> system32DD will no doubt need some support libraries... called braD and pastied
[20:54:52] * juggs volunteers Konomi to write a FUD free systemd appraisal piece :D
[20:54:57] * juggs runs and hides
[20:55:08] <crutchy> i hereby second that motion
[20:55:21] <juggs> the running and hiding?
[20:55:55] <crutchy> and put forth an additional motion that we move the table
[20:56:08] <crutchy> oh yeah the running and hiding is prolly wise :p
[20:56:12] <juggs> sounds like a seance or something
[20:56:29] <crutchy> Konomi is a shell ninja
[20:56:31] <juggs> first the table moves then everyone runs and hides :D
[20:56:45] * crutchy wonders if konomi is green and eats pizza
[20:57:01] * crutchy hides under the table
[20:57:35] <crutchy> actually ninja isn't the same as kung fu is it?
[20:57:45] <crutchy> konomi has shell-fu powers
[20:57:56] <crutchy> s/er/ah/
[20:57:56] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> konomi has shell-fu powahs
[20:58:39] * crutchy runs and hides at work for the rest of the day :D
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[21:26:16] <Blackmoore> i see your system32d and raise it to system64d
[21:26:58] <chromas> How did Pandora decide I want to listen to Bryan Adams?
[21:27:01] * chromas is scared
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[21:45:09] * JamesNZ blames ciri
[21:45:32] <keplr> chromas: I read a book a week on average. I also spent my first year at university convinced that an English Literature degree wasn't a terrible life choice.
[21:46:39] <chromas> That means you have a lot of reviews to get to, mister!
[21:51:38] <keplr> At what point in life does a book report metamorphose into the more dignified book *review*
[21:52:25] <chromas> When you're out of gradeschool I guess
[21:53:38] <chromas> when teachers become instructors or professors with elbow patches and the cafeteria stops serving prison food
[21:56:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> when you have to pay to give them
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[21:59:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, those are really still just book reports. when you get paid to give them they're reviews
[22:02:50] <keplr> Isn't that the amateur/professioanl dichotomy? Couldn't you be an amateur book reviewer?
[22:18:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> spose you could but why when you could at least put up ads and get paid.
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[22:50:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Adobe eBook App is Watching What You Read and Then Phones Home - http://sylnt.us - they-all-do-it
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