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[00:06:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be a good start yeah. won't have a lot of the new but most of the old is valid still.
[00:07:46] <NCommander> oh oops
[00:07:50] <NCommander> I dated that article for the wrong day
[00:07:50] <NCommander> Bah
[00:08:02] <NCommander> er
[00:08:02] <NCommander> wait
[00:08:13] <NCommander> !seen byrtam
[00:08:13] <ciri> NCommander, I don't remember seeing byrtam.
[00:08:16] <NCommander> !seen bytram
[00:08:17] <ciri> I found 8 matches to your query. Here are the 5 most recent (sorted): Bytram|away Bytram Bytram|afk Byttam|afk Chair. Bytram|away (~pc@Soylent/Staff/Developer/martyb) was last seen quitting from #soylent 1 day, 9 hours, 58 minutes ago stating (Quit: Leaving).
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[00:21:09] * SpallsHurgenson writes a pseudocode version of his zombie RPG's combat sequence
[00:31:26] <SpallsHurgenson> lots of gotos :)
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[00:51:20] <juggs> Did Spalls goto fail?
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[01:06:19] <Blackmoore> Stackoverflow.
[01:16:20] <juggs> Board meeting is about to kick off in #staff for anyone interested
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[01:25:31] <Bytram> juggs: you might want to pop into #staff
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[01:32:32] <SpallsHurgenson> whats the log page for #staff meetings again?
[01:33:16] <matt_> http://logs.sylnt.us
[01:33:21] <SpallsHurgenson> thank you
[01:33:33] <matt_> =)
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[01:56:52] * SpallsHurgenson reads #staff and wonders if he should go there and remind them that n addition to comments and summaries they also need to worry about journals
[01:58:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, already brought up
[01:58:04] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, you should if you think it relevant - tis an open meeting
[01:58:27] <SpallsHurgenson> eh, didn't see journals mentioned. I'm too lazy to /join #staff :) :)
[02:01:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're probably going to have to discuss them separately though cause it's different for them from comments and stories a bit.
[02:02:19] <SpallsHurgenson> well, just so its on the to-do list :)
[02:02:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. working up a policy letter for the staff to ack then going out to the community for feedback.
[02:03:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> not me, mrcoolbp
[02:04:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothing actually final until yall get your say on the matter
[02:04:18] <mrcoolbp> ?
[02:04:28] <Bytram> SpallsHurgenson: I mentioned them, also see: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[02:04:29] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03SoylentNews Policy Document: There are several places on the site where user-supplied content is published.
[02:04:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, copyright policy stuff you're working up
[02:04:52] <mrcoolbp> ah, bytram and crutchy did most of that
[02:04:53] <SpallsHurgenson> he's giving you extra work to do, mrcoolbp :)
[02:05:04] <mrcoolbp> yup.
[02:05:09] <mrcoolbp> I'm used to it
[02:05:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, copyright policy stuff you're reviewing
[02:05:18] <mrcoolbp> I give him stuff too = )
[02:05:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> ain't that the truth
[02:05:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> you ain't quite as bad as Bytram though.
[02:05:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> he could find a bug in hello world.
[02:06:01] <Bytram> what do you mean, *could*? I *have*!
[02:10:10] <mrcoolbp> rofl
[02:10:10] <ciri> now that is funny
[02:10:23] <mrcoolbp> thanks ciri
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[02:16:43] * mrcoolbp whacks TheMightyBuzzard
[02:17:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> couldn't be helped
[02:17:44] <Bytram> LOL!
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[02:31:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - God and Darwin in My College Biology Class - http://sylnt.us - mental-gymnatiscs-championship
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[02:47:15] * mrcoolbp relaxes
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[02:53:57] <Bytram> ~time NCommander
[02:54:07] <NCommander> Time is relative
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[02:54:39] <Bytram> depends on your point of reference, at least according to einstein, I think. =)
[02:54:43] <juggs> I've been trying to tell various bosses that for years - never seems to go down well :D
[03:12:17] <Bytram> .op
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[03:12:43] Bytram changed topic of #Soylent to: https://SoylentNews.org | Useful links: http://sylnt.us | SN PBC Board Meeting - Wednesday, Oct. 15 at 1:15am UTC (Tue, Oct. 14 at 9:15pm EDT) in #staff, all are welcome
[03:12:46] <Bytram> .deop
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[03:25:43] <Bytram> uid
[03:25:48] <Bytram> !uid
[03:25:48] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4761, owned by botfap
[03:26:14] <matt_> see? :P
[03:27:01] * Bytram is still reading scollback
[03:27:11] * Bytram is still reading scRollback
[03:29:52] <mrcoolbp> rofl
[03:29:52] <ciri> hehehe
[03:29:55] <exec> Confucius say… some people are like blisters… they don't show up until the work is done.
[03:33:29] <matt_> ~staff meeting
[03:33:32] <exec> 03********** 05SOYLENTNEWS BOARD MEETING03 **********
[03:33:32] <exec> 03SN PBC Board Meeting - Wed. Oct. 1 at 1:15am UTC (Tue, Sept. 30 at 9:15pm EDT) on IRC #staff.
[03:34:03] <Bytram> matt_: oops, didn't know about THAT one, but I got the /topic in
[03:34:16] <Bytram> #soylent and #staff
[03:34:30] <matt_> Bytram, i believe that is scraping from the main site slashbox. i don't have privs to change that one...
[03:35:01] <Bytram> huh? oh. I don't know if I do, either. even then, I don't know how to change it. :/
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[03:39:32] <mrcoolbp> well, that was a relatively successful night
[03:41:00] <mrcoolbp> ~staff meeting
[03:41:03] <exec> 03********** 05SOYLENTNEWS BOARD MEETING03 **********
[03:41:03] <exec> 03SN PBC Board Meeting - Wed. Oct. 15 at 1:15am UTC (Tue, Oct. 14 at 9:15pm EDT) on IRC #staff.
[04:19:38] <arti> dat colors
[04:21:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Long Does it Take to Become Productive in a Programming Language? - http://sylnt.us - (DEFUN-HELLO-()-"HELLO-WORLD"-)
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[04:51:20] <mrcoolbp> lol
[04:51:20] <ciri> HEY! don't laugh at me
[05:09:00] * arti pokes ciri
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[06:10:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cops Suspect that Alleged Thieves Monitored them with a Drone - http://sylnt.us - when-drones-are-outlawed-only-outlaws-will-have-drones
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[06:58:32] <crutchy> coffee++
[06:58:32] <Bender> karma - coffee: 872
[07:05:17] <crutchy> how was the bored meeting?
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[08:02:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Windows 10 Announced, Technical Preview to be Released Today - http://sylnt.us - windows-os-x
[08:04:54] <crutchy> is it april fools day in october?
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[09:51:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Internet Census 2014 Coming Soon? - http://sylnt.us - because-it-was-fun-the-first-time
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[10:08:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:08:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 873
[10:08:42] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:08:42] <Bender> karma - coffee: 874
[10:08:51] <crutchy> mornin
[10:09:14] <crutchy> or evenin (for those on my side of the world)
[10:09:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes indeedy
[10:11:09] <crutchy> i think ima getting man flu :(
[10:11:50] <chromas> Does that mean you sneeze man goo?
[10:12:51] <crutchy> i'm full of man goo
[10:13:21] <crutchy> i been blowing loads all day :(
[10:14:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> m'kay, 14.10 comes out this weekend so it's all me on deck to get out as many fixes as possible by code freeze friday.
[10:14:46] <crutchy> i'll provide moral support
[10:14:50] <crutchy> go you!!!
[10:15:03] * crutchy has rediscovered irciv
[10:15:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you can't be an athlete, be an athletic supporter?
[10:15:59] <crutchy> i still climbing the code monkeybars. i'm just on a different set, at a lower level :p
[10:16:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're the one figured out most of the omgwtfbbq reskey nonsense, i'm not takin excuses no more =P
[10:17:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> reskeys are fsckin hard for me
[10:19:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what I'm fixin up today though
[10:22:11] <crutchy> mmm pod coffee and paracetamol
[10:22:17] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:22:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 875
[10:22:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:22:28] <Bender> karma - coffee: 876
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[10:25:42] <crutchy> that reskeyey thingy was pretty fun, even though i was just making shit up as i went along
[10:25:59] <crutchy> and its perl
[10:26:09] <crutchy> i couldn't even recognize a list :/
[10:29:17] <chromas> The accidental genius
[10:30:20] <crutchy> ha
[10:30:42] <crutchy> the guy who wrote sagasu is a genius
[10:31:04] <crutchy> its an awesome tool for finding shit
[10:31:16] <crutchy> it has a nose for it
[10:31:57] <crutchy> i like to think i'm pretty good at asking dumb questions though :D
[10:32:24] <crutchy> not that i think i would be helpful to tmb
[10:32:33] <crutchy> would get annoying real quick
[10:33:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> list == @stuff or $stuff[index] or $stuff->[index]
[10:33:52] <crutchy> the last one kinda looks php'ish
[10:33:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> or [ stuff, more stuff, still more stuff ]
[10:34:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, thas when stuff is a ref to an array rather than an actual array itself. like a pointer kinda.
[10:35:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> @stuff is the whole array, $stuff[index] is item "index" of the array only
[10:36:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> ditto %stuff, $stuff{key}, $stuff->{key} for linked lists
[10:36:41] <crutchy> noticed botfap dropped by today
[10:37:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> which dateline today?
[10:37:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, yesterday for me
[10:37:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, he's settin up an old vm so he has somewhere to get started learning while pj fixes up a new one.
[10:39:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know what bugs me? my ($self, $arg1, $arg2, $arg3) = @_; statements.
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[10:40:50] <crutchy> yeah i don't get that stuff
[10:40:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> they get passed four+ arguments they start overloading all arguments at 3+ into a list and placing it in $arg3.
[10:41:15] <crutchy> its an arg array but its not very intuitive for me
[10:41:30] <crutchy> oh
[10:41:36] <crutchy> yeah that's fecked
[10:42:12] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:42:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 877
[10:42:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> well that's primarily when dealing with object methods. when you go $object->method($arg1, $arg2, $arg3) it passes them along and prepends $object to the front of the list when calling a method of $object named method
[10:43:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless you WANT overloading, the stuff left of = should stay the same and you should do = ($_[0], $_[1], $_[2], $_[3]);
[10:43:41] <crutchy> so a ref to object is always the first element in the arg list?
[10:43:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> when you call it as an object method, yep
[10:44:39] <crutchy> seems like the equiv of object pascal's self var in methods
[10:45:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> when you call it as a bareword because it was exported by the perl module it's just blah = subname($arg1, $argN) and it only gets $arg1-$argN as data.
[10:45:18] <crutchy> i guess it makes sense to chuck in in the args if its not part of the language syntax
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[10:45:29] <d33tah> n1: thanks for posting my article! :)
[10:47:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> d33tah, think he's still asleep but thanks for submitting one. seriously, thanks. user generated content and all that.
[10:47:39] <crutchy> ~queue
[10:47:47] <crutchy> oops
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[10:47:55] <crutchy> ~queue
[10:47:59] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 13 - http://sylnt.us
[10:48:00] <crutchy> been playing :p
[10:48:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, somehow i knew you'd scrape that
[10:48:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> and likely the pending articles too
[10:48:36] <crutchy> oh nah that script has been for a while
[10:48:58] <crutchy> bot has been borking and starting and borking and starting etc
[10:49:06] <crutchy> so i kept it out of #soylent
[10:49:47] <d33tah> TheMightyBuzzard: i don't really contribute much, but i saw this empty bitcoin account and i kind of felt sorry for the internet census researcher ;P
[10:50:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ours isn't empty, it has $0.04 in it from testing.
[10:51:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> rolls out this weekend, barring any snags
[10:51:09] <crutchy> haven't scraped pending articles... yet :p
[10:51:35] <crutchy> starting dicking around with a copyright checker script
[10:51:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh hell man, that's nigh on impossible
[10:51:59] <crutchy> comparing SN articles to any linked pages
[10:52:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, simple one then
[10:52:22] <crutchy> if it ever gets finished it would be real basic
[10:52:53] <crutchy> cull spaces and special chars, lowercase all, strip tags, css etc and compare
[10:53:23] <crutchy> have some kind of arbitrary string length (or maybe %) that causes trigger
[10:53:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> perl it'd be easy. match the stuff in blockquotes with a /stuff/ then get length(stuff) and length(wholeshebang)
[10:54:01] <crutchy> its not too hard. i've built up some lib functions for scraping and parsing
[10:54:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> save yourself a headache, only match <p> tags
[10:54:26] <crutchy> just trying to make the function that loops through the anchor tags
[10:54:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[10:54:47] <crutchy> good idea. i have a function for extracting tags
[10:55:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> still going to get some menu text and stuff but shouldn't be too bad
[10:56:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> we got us a rule of thumb now anyway. unless the article is two paragraphs or less, don't copy more than two or three paragraphs.
[10:57:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> technically we could two pronged fair use it, newsworthy and transformitive, and copy the whole thing but headaches is headaches
[10:58:25] <crutchy> i just thought i'd have a go for fun. prolly will never be used
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[10:59:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly not, we'd have to recompile to use php
[11:00:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> or set the editors up to use your script
[11:00:24] <crutchy> at most i would maybe add it to a feed
[11:00:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is problematic if exec is being flakey
[11:00:31] <crutchy> just in irc
[11:00:55] <crutchy> don't want exec doing anything with important stuff
[11:01:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[11:01:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather
[11:01:12] <exec> Weather for Ada, OK - currrently 68°F, clear, wind S at 10 mph, humidity 100% - Wednesday chance of storm (90°F, 68°F), Thursday chance of storm (82°F, 52°F), Friday clear (72°F, 48°F), Saturday partly cloudy (79°F, 52°F) - source: Google
[11:01:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> not raining 100%, dewpoint 100%
[11:02:24] <crutchy> definitely don't want to be bound by any standards for testing and rigor either. then i'd get bored and do something else instead :p
[11:02:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> har!
[11:02:56] <crutchy> exec shall remain a plaything :D
[11:03:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, thas why i been avoiding CC processing though i guess i could use a payment processor with an api
[11:03:13] <crutchy> though its on github so anyone can do whatever they want with it i guess
[11:03:47] <crutchy> cc seems pretty critical to get right
[11:04:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> too many laws if you store CC info. wasn't the case back last time i wrote a CC processing billing system.
[11:04:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> still, even back in those days I encrypted the info.
[11:04:59] <crutchy> i'd use a processor. you guys just want the payment to go through, so ideally you just post the amount and the customer goes to some other 3rd party page to enter their details
[11:05:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. forget who was talking about that yesterday
[11:05:38] <crutchy> i think that's how things like oscommerce do it
[11:05:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll do up a journal asking for input next month.
[11:06:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> afk getting more coffee and recycling some used coffee
[11:11:19] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:11:19] <Bender> karma - coffee: 878
[11:12:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:12:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 879
[11:12:47] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[11:14:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[11:14:33] * crutchy is playing a game called 'time of exploration' on his phone. really simple but addictive
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[11:17:47] * TheMightyBuzzard is deciding on an appropriate max number of submissions per four hour period
[11:18:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think 12 should do it, bypassed for subscribers.
[11:18:35] * crutchy didn't get to the bottom of how that duraction function calculated the second return array arg
[11:18:45] <crutchy> *duration
[11:18:54] <crutchy> seemed bery compricated
[11:19:27] <crutchy> cos its a bery precise and a compricated function
[11:19:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> not really. you got the duration and you got the uses per duration and you got the min-duration
[11:20:06] <crutchy> the max duration was the compricated bit from memory
[11:20:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> duration is four hours
[11:20:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> it pulls it from the db
[11:22:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> we could change it to hourly by setting it to 3600 seconds instead of 4x that as it is now but we'd have to change a LOT of other variables to reflect that.
[11:22:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> also, it appears we have an off by one in there but i really don't care if they get one extra sub in
[11:23:48] <crutchy> $duration[0] is set to $max_duration @ https://github.com which appears to be compared to something on line 134
[11:24:39] <crutchy> don't really get how it works, but $duration[0] has a few pubes attached (looking at all the different conditions for setting it in the duration sub)
[11:24:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i forget what the duration sub returns
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[11:25:29] <crutchy> elem 0 is max_duration and element 1 is limit (as used in maxUsesPerTimeframe sub anyway
[11:25:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmm
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[11:26:15] <crutchy> gets weird here: https://github.com
[11:26:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> little weird, yeah. no biggie though
[11:26:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's okay for me to not understand it completely if it works.
[11:27:16] <crutchy> the limit var (element 1) is pretty easy. its just set to $constants->{reskey_timeframe}
[11:27:30] <crutchy> lol
[11:27:33] <crutchy> be bold
[11:27:33] <ciri> me too, smoke time! crutchy
[11:27:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[11:28:17] <crutchy> so i guess if you set the limit to something high, everything is lower than that based on all those conditions in the duration sub?
[11:28:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> and reskey timeframe is set to 4h of seconds
[11:28:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah. min uses is also set in the db
[11:29:01] <crutchy> reskey_timeframe is just the max. not necessarily the one that will be applied to a given user
[11:29:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> max rather
[11:29:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> is in this case.
[11:29:28] <crutchy> mkay
[11:29:39] <crutchy> yeah i don't get all dem conditions
[11:30:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> me either honestly but i did for long enough that i figured out what it means in the end
[11:30:38] <crutchy> and i'm not sure what gets put into $rows from the db here: https://github.com
[11:30:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> then i forgot it as unnecessary
[11:31:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> right directly above...
[11:31:19] <crutchy> count of reskeys?
[11:31:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> number of rows returned by the sqlcount
[11:31:30] <crutchy> so every time you submit it adds a reskey
[11:31:32] <crutchy> ?
[11:31:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> apparently, yep
[11:31:41] <crutchy> guess that makes sense
[11:31:55] <chromas> Slowly reeling
[11:32:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> actually every time you hit the blank form it either creates one or uses the old one
[11:32:21] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard is fishing for coders 😊
[11:32:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> every time you hit preview it touches it, i dunno or care why
[11:32:25] <crutchy> must be some kinda periodic sub that culls the old ones?
[11:32:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> likely, yeah. prolly part of slashd
[11:33:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like plugins/ResKey/tasks/reskey_purge.pl
[11:33:22] <crutchy> fsucking monstrosity
[11:33:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> man you picked the absolute craziest part of slash to dive into.
[11:34:09] <crutchy> it was whoever submitted that issue's fault. he made me go searching :p
[11:34:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, damned right. just got three more and still happy for every other one.
[11:35:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> we get enough and i can work on metamod and let them do the shit that's keeping me from it.
[11:35:20] <crutchy> eventually you might be able to get coders to specialize in certain areas of slash
[11:35:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, like i can be counted an authority on Data.pm
[11:36:00] <crutchy> experts know know areas intimately, after hours of lovemaking with every single line of their speciality
[11:36:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> but really the only difficult things to me any more are reskeys and formkeys.
[11:40:56] <crutchy> my intro to formkeys was when i made that scripty to submit comments
[11:42:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> really i think setting duration_max-uses to 12 should cover non-subscribers and adding a subscriberbypass like adminbypass for subs should do fine.
[11:43:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyone who submits more than 12 stories a day on any regular basis is going to get a free sub anyway
[11:43:35] * chromas runs off to scour the net.
[11:43:50] <chromas> Anything for a free sub
[11:44:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> we already handed some out for the top submitters when we first went live with subs.
[11:44:19] * crutchy gets out the whips and handcuffs
[11:44:44] <crutchy> tops_and_subs++
[11:44:44] <Bender> karma - tops_and_subs: 1
[11:45:16] <chromas> power_bottoms++
[11:45:16] <Bender> karma - power_bottoms: 1
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[11:54:35] <chromas> ~submit http://m.softpedia.com
[11:54:49] <chromas> M--
[11:54:49] <Bender> karma - m: -1
[11:56:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> what you got against the letter M?
[11:57:13] <chromas> Mobile site link I should've adjusted
[11:57:31] <chromas> Plus beta was brought to us by the letter M
[11:59:33] <crutchy> and the number potato
[12:01:24] <chromas> ciri: 1, 2, potato!
[12:01:56] <chromas> Looks like the new borderlands is supposed to 'launch' on linux as well
[12:11:18] <ar> http://blogs.wsj.com
[12:11:59] <ar> the first thing that came to my mind was: http://www.youtube.com
[12:11:59] <monopoly> ^ 03Complete History Of The Soviet Union, Arranged To The Melody Of Tetris - YouTube
[12:18:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, there's one pull request in for the day. let's go for two.
[12:33:07] <chromas> “This isn’t a movie with a bunch of lines running around the page. We’re not giving feet to the geometric shapes.”
[12:33:17] <chromas> Well what the hell?
[12:33:38] * chromas wants anthropomorphic shapes
[12:55:15] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: you do know your API code is part of #340
[12:55:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> was it?
[12:56:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> shouldn't be. i removed the files and recommitted for that reason
[12:56:32] <paulej72> https://github.com Inintial Commit
[12:56:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, further commits removed it
[12:57:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> hit the files changed tab
[12:57:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> was like 4 minor screwups trying to get it to commit right but they all got taken care of in the latter commits
[12:58:58] <paulej72> OK
[13:01:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> working on the rss feeds now
[13:01:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> or atom rather
[13:01:28] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: the only issue I have with this check is that we fully bypassed all reskey checks for a subscriber for submissions. If a spammer purchased a sub, they would then bypass any bans we set on them. I was hoping to have the the subscriber bypass only affect the duration.
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[13:02:15] <paulej72> Does it look like that would be possible.
[13:03:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... possible yeah but...wait... changing the duration for subscribers would change a LOT of things that don't need to be.
[13:03:09] <weeds> Good Morning
[13:03:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin
[13:03:47] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: let me look at this some more. I just noticed that you only did this in the Duration.pm module
[13:03:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[13:04:40] <paulej72> So it may be we just need to change the wording of the var discription.
[13:04:50] <paulej72> OK off to do some real work
[13:04:55] <paulej72> bbl
[13:04:56] <ciri> ok see yea later paulej72
[13:05:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy
[13:08:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, you still handy?
[13:13:07] <crutchy> tmv, yeah
[13:13:17] <crutchy> *tmb
[13:13:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> your bug so you tell me if this fixes the issue you were having http://tmbvm.ddns.net
[13:13:46] <monopoly> ^ 03Object not found!
[13:13:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> monopoly, lies!
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[13:14:34] <crutchy> err. truth actually
[13:14:45] <crutchy> 404
[13:14:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> wtf
[13:15:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> gimme a sec, likely my firewall
[13:15:36] <crutchy> ooh you serving off apache2 :)
[13:16:16] <monopoly> Robots don't lie. Wink. Wait, did I say "wink" or do it?
[13:16:52] <crutchy> they stay standing uo
[13:16:58] <crutchy> *up
[13:17:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, try now
[13:17:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya thas my localhost webserver not the vm
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[13:22:48] <crutchy> looks ok
[13:23:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> excellent. we were using something non-utf8-aware looks like but a quick hack fixed it
[13:23:41] <chromas> log -p i -t start " A wise man never plays leapfrog with a unicorn";
[13:24:42] <chromas> ^inside android init.d config
[13:25:46] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard++
[13:25:46] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 83
[13:50:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's two issues down for the day
[13:51:56] <juggs> good work sir :)
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[13:54:24] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[13:54:24] <Bender> karma - coffee: 880
[13:59:28] <Blackmoore> mornin
[14:07:34] <juggs> hey Blackmoore - having a good day?
[14:09:45] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: did we get the bugs out of the formatting issues when showning Journals at the top of comment pages?
[14:11:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, not yet no
[14:12:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ditto some article at the top display issues and links within them
[14:13:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you want to get the emails working properly with funky characters though, since you've already traced it down, i'll look into them tomorrow.
[14:16:18] <paulej72> OK
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[14:17:54] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: an you please change the working on the subscriber bypass var to say it only works for duration.
[14:18:12] <Blackmoore> juggs: I'm operating on 3 hours of sleep after a 12 hour workday.. I'm not even sure i can evaluate if these are fingers or my face typing
[14:18:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure sure
[14:18:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> then i think i'm going to call it a day for now. got four hours in and two issues taken care of.
[14:19:30] <chromas> Uselessd 3 'released' today
[14:20:18] <paulej72> I really hate the name of that fork
[14:21:01] <paulej72> the_init_system_formerly_know_as_systemd_d
[14:21:04] <chromas> Yeah. Needs more than one guy working on it
[14:22:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> done
[14:23:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> really wish whatever they wanna call it would hit arch repo
[14:24:13] <chromas> Better hop to it, mister!
[14:24:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, my email notification widget in conky isn't updating
[14:24:29] <paulej72> merged
[14:25:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> cheers
[14:26:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> brain clearing time
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[14:27:19] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: irish coffee?
[14:27:35] <geotti> uselessd++
[14:27:35] <Bender> karma - uselessd: 3
[14:27:42] <geotti> systemd--
[14:27:42] <Bender> karma - systemd: -4
[14:28:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, http://www.eightoclock.com and some mindless video game playing
[14:28:05] <monopoly> ^ 03Eight O'Clock Coffee
[14:28:12] <geotti> systembsd++
[14:28:12] <Bender> karma - systembsd: 1
[14:28:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> surprisingly good for having started out as a store brand
[14:30:58] <juggs> Blackmoore, that sounds bad. Any chance of having more sleep?
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[14:51:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Anthrax Baits the Hook, Reels in Zebras - http://sylnt.us - food-to-die-for
[14:51:18] <Blackmoore> not unless i skip out of work. and since i'm already been here for a couple hours i'll just try to not fall asleep on my keyboard.
[14:53:43] <Blackmoore> not like i'm mission critical today.
[15:05:50] <juggs> I only grabbed a handful of hours last night too - but thankfully I'm free to take a nap, which is what I plan to do right now. Keep on chugging the coffee :)
[15:07:17] <Blackmoore> aye.
[15:07:23] <Blackmoore> off for another cuppa
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[16:28:56] <SirFinkus> windows 10? did I miss something?
[16:31:26] <Landon> nope
[16:31:30] <Landon> ms did
[16:32:46] <Blackmoore> MS cashing in on OSX
[16:33:09] <Blackmoore> to be fair it does look better
[16:37:01] Blackmoore is now known as blackmoore|lunch
[16:47:15] <SirFinkus> so it went windows 95, windows 98, windows ME, windows 2k, windows XP, windows vista, windows 7, windows 8, and now windows 10?
[16:47:24] <SirFinkus> who at microsoft is coming up with these naming schemes?
[16:47:34] <SirFinkus> wait, forgot windows 1.0 - 3.1
[16:48:04] <geotti> no, it went windows 1, 2, 3.1, 95, 98 ...
[16:48:06] <SirFinkus> I count 4 distinct naming schemes
[16:48:25] <SirFinkus> so 5
[16:48:39] <SirFinkus> err, still 4
[16:48:56] <geotti> http://msdn.microsoft.com(v=vs.85).aspx
[16:48:58] <monopoly> ^ 03Operating System Version (Windows)
[16:49:16] <SirFinkus> haha, I forgot about that too
[16:49:50] <geotti> this: http://www.msigeek.com and this: https://en.wikipedia.org is better
[16:49:52] <monopoly> ^ 03List of all Windows OS Version Numbers
[16:49:52] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03List of Microsoft Windows versions: This page lists and links to information on the various versions of Microsoft Windows, a major computer operating system developed by Microsoft
[16:50:28] <SirFinkus> hilarious
[16:51:00] <SirFinkus> they need to start using descending version numbers, with 0 being "done"
[17:07:08] <SirFinkus> Console windows such as Command Prompt now provide a new set of "experimental options" which modernize their functionality; among them include word wrapping, the ability to select strings of text using the mouse as in other programs
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[17:14:20] <paulej72> 7 8 9
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[17:39:37] <Blackmoore> oh! that's perfect!
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[18:00:08] <SirFinkus> just turned on the "science" channel to a promo of a show where a woman gets a heart transplant and now she's filled with murderous rage
[18:00:26] <SirFinkus> followed by a clip of a guy saying "every human cell has memory"
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[18:00:55] <SirFinkus> that's some trashy tv
[18:27:42] <Blackmoore> SirFinkus: i really hope we can get a good cayaclismic event - i have no hope for us as a species.
[18:28:28] <SirFinkus> WW3 within 10 years, just watch
[18:41:15] <Blackmoore> SirFinkus: i was predicting that in the 80's I'm just watching to see when the food riots start.. and where
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[20:05:16] <Virindi> every human cell has memory, duh, and so does water, haven't you heard?
[20:05:50] <Blackmoore> homeopathy is so real!
[20:06:05] <Virindi> water acts different depending on what organisms it has been in, it absorbs part of their, uh, energy! yeah that's it
[20:06:12] <Blackmoore> yeah!
[20:06:34] <Virindi> I almost said 'soul' but that is not proper new age terminology
[20:06:59] <Blackmoore> i wave a absestor cloth near my water so i can become more fireproof!
[20:07:04] <chromas> It's why microwave ovens are bad for you; they give your food Alzheimer's
[20:07:20] <Virindi> I sleep in a giant pyramid to give myself positive energy.
[20:07:41] <Virindi> the only reason you don't hear about it more is that big pharma doesn't want people to know about the cure to all disease
[20:08:06] <Virindi> funny...
[20:08:35] <Blackmoore> well, that and bigfoot.
[20:08:42] <Virindi> science channel: ufo 'documentaries', new age science studies, etc
[20:08:42] <Virindi> showtime: penn and teller making fun of new age stuff
[20:08:52] <Virindi> seems reversed
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[20:09:49] <Blackmoore> yeah. but no- those networks have done what they set out to do - replace intellegent TV with more mindless dibble.
[20:10:56] <Virindi> the only intelligent documentaries I've seen on tv were on pbs and history channel in the 90s back when history channel was mostly WWII and civil war documentaries
[20:11:17] <Virindi> it's not like tv was ever particularly intelligent.
[20:13:34] <Blackmoore> history was pretty good before they became the hitler channel
[20:13:42] <SirFinkus> well now it's all Ice Road Axemen
[20:13:47] <Blackmoore> (well before the Hurrr channel)
[20:14:04] <Virindi> that's what I am talking about, I liked WWII documentaries
[20:15:33] <Blackmoore> or pawn stars.
[20:17:11] <Virindi> man chum, this subway sandwich sure is tasty!
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[20:17:20] <Virindi> look at all these fresh ingredients!
[20:17:27] <Virindi> can you believe it was only $3.99?
[20:17:43] <Virindi> that is my impression of that show
[20:30:47] <chromas> https://www.eff.org
[20:38:32] <Blackmoore> i get a kick out of the alsaka program, but again. it's not really good entertainment
[20:38:41] * juggs stumbles back in look bleary eyed and yawning
[20:39:39] <Blackmoore> looks back bleary eyed ..
[20:39:52] <juggs> Blackmoore, you're still awake! Are you mainlining caffeine?
[20:40:05] * AndyTheAbsurd peers into the fog of the past, trying to figure out what y'all are looking for.
[20:41:24] * juggs hums a U2 tune annoyingly
[20:42:04] <chromas> You still haven't found what you're looking for
[20:42:32] <juggs> it would seem so :D
[20:42:51] <juggs> was wondering if anyone would get the reference
[20:43:18] <chromas> that's the only u2 song I remember any part of
[20:45:33] <Blackmoore> juggs: still havent found.. the iv equipment..
[20:45:50] <Blackmoore> but yeah the coffee is no longer working
[20:46:10] <Blackmoore> and i have 2 more hours on this shift.
[20:48:13] <juggs> crutchy, re your suggestion. Did you mean http://hackerne.ws (which redirects to https://news.ycombinator.com) or did you mean http://thehackernews.com ?
[20:48:15] <monopoly> ^ 03Hacker News ( https://news.ycombinator.com )
[20:48:15] <monopoly> ^ 03The Hacker News - Breaking News, Cyber Security, Hacking News
[20:48:43] <juggs> Blackmoore, then you too can join in humming that you still haven't found what you're looking for, in order to annoy your colleagues
[20:49:45] <crutchy> i meant the first, but maybe both if they're both semi-decent sources :)
[20:50:24] <juggs> ~shrug~ I'm familiar with neither
[20:53:52] <juggs> The first seems a little all over the place in terms of what they run :/
[20:55:06] <crutchy> i couldnt find rss either so that might kill it anyway]
[20:58:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://news.ycombinator.com
[20:59:29] <crutchy> lol there ya go :)
[20:59:29] <ciri> i don't think it's that funny lol
[20:59:38] <juggs> curiously I find the rss page more useful than the actual web page :D
[21:00:44] <juggs> meh - I'll stick it in the regurgi-bot
[21:01:50] <crutchy> might have some juicy weekend gems
[21:06:16] <Blackmoore> http://www.robot-hugs.com
[21:06:17] <monopoly> ^ 03Robot Hugs - Attack
[21:11:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Sophisticated iOS Malware Targets Hong Kong Protesters (For Now) - http://sylnt.us - key-without-a-lock
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[22:39:10] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: https://github.com
[22:40:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks very much like you found it, i'd have to double check what html2text does though
[22:41:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> we need a staff meeting
[22:42:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> need somewhere we can officially all weigh in on things like reworking moderation categories and how best to do m2
[22:42:32] <juggs> eep - when was the last one of those?
[22:42:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> month or two ago
[22:43:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> gone for dinner.
[23:21:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Teaching Phonics Working for Most Children - http://sylnt.us - hooked-on-metrics
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[23:32:52] <chromas> from the hook-ed-on-p-honics-work-ed-for-meh! dept
[23:33:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, looks like you got it. grats.
[23:34:23] * JamesNZ is in youtube withdrawal
[23:34:28] <paulej72> yes, it works but I don’t know why
[23:34:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> never argue with success
[23:39:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> back to pre-dinner though, we really should have a staff meeting soon to discuss the moderation rework so we can toss a concrete idea out to the folks.
[23:41:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean we have dev meetings all the time since a dev meeting currently means you and me talking
[23:41:46] <paulej72> We can talk to mrcoolbp about having a staff meeting
[23:41:51] <chromas> it's not in #dev—not official
[23:41:54] <paulej72> I am all for it
[23:42:11] <paulej72> #dev is mostly dead
[23:42:21] <chromas> that's because there're no meetings
[23:42:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> nc might actually enjoy a staff meeting as opposed to a board one
[23:42:24] <chromas> meatings
[23:42:26] <chromas> beatings
[23:42:41] <paulej72> both
[23:43:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, thas cause me n pj are dev. we get three more guys in and it'll start annoying folks n they'll tell us to go to #dev. or at least tell us to go somewhere.
[23:43:51] <chromas> or you'd want to go just to keep our botfests from sprinkling up the hackin'
[23:43:59] <paulej72> if it wern’t for dev talk here this channel might be very dead as well
[23:44:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, we always got crutchy to chatter mindlessly
[23:44:47] <chromas> ~bot new extra_crutchy
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