#Soylent | Logs for 2014-09-30

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[00:00:10] * NCommander hands it off to paulej72 to handle
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[00:00:39] <paulej72> ok.
[00:02:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Nature’s Elegant and Efficient Vision Systems can Detect Cancer - http://sylnt.us - seeing-is-believing
[00:02:13] <nez> NCommander, paulej72, thank you for the help :)
[00:02:29] <NCommander> np
[00:03:00] <paulej72> nez: send an email to paulej72@soylentnews.org from the email address listed on your account
[00:03:13] <SpallsHurgenson> well, it's good to see the Firefox team is doing SOMETHING useful (instead of just wasting time mucking up the gui again) http://www.economist.com
[00:08:01] <chromas> so…
[00:08:18] <chromas> Did Ousmane ever answer the customer?
[00:11:50] <SpallsHurgenson> not only did he answer, but he sold the guy six phones. Ousmane is an /awesome/ salesman
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[00:31:17] <paulej72> SpallsHurgenson: you forgot to translate that :)
[00:37:28] <SpallsHurgenson> I'll contact Mozilla for assistance :)
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[01:34:57] <SpallsHurgenson> man, the internet of the '80s was so much cooler than what we have now. websites have nothing on the "consensual hallucinations" of gibsonian cyberspace
[01:35:47] <juggs> ooookay....
[01:39:06] <SpallsHurgenson> bah, you kids these days think you have it so great, but you don't know what you missed out on: rogue AIs, neural implants and hacking decks with 4MB of memory!
[01:41:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AT&amp;T’s Congestion Magically Disappears when it’s Signing Up New Customers - http://sylnt.us - unlimited-data-at-300bit/s
[01:43:08] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, and our megacorporations were openly evil, rather than pretending to be our friends :)
[01:43:09] <juggs> those must have been good times!
[01:45:15] <SpallsHurgenson> our women wore shoulder-pads; you can't beat that!
[01:46:11] <juggs> armoured females - there's probably a porn genre for that!
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[02:01:47] <SpallsHurgenson> and the hair... it went on FOREVER
[02:04:05] <SpallsHurgenson> truly it was a time of wonders... not like this pre-apocalyptic hell-hole we all suffer in today.
[02:15:48] <juggs> surely all times are "pre-apocalyptic" unless an apocalypse actually happens?
[02:16:34] <SpallsHurgenson> yes but, erm, let's continue this discussion next Tuesday... if you can :)
[02:17:07] <mrcoolbp> did you just "see you next tuesday" him ?
[02:17:29] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't get the reference
[02:18:45] * juggs whacks mrcoolbp with a 9 iron
[02:19:18] * mrcoolbp freezes the 9 iron with LN2 and then uses it as an ice pack
[02:21:34] <juggs> NCommander could be in need of that. That's presuming you actually meant ice pack as opposed to ice pick
[02:22:24] <NCommander> juggs, he said ice pack :-P
[02:24:06] <juggs> indeed so, I just thought it more likely a 9 iron could be re-purposed as an ice pick rather than a an ice pack :P Besides, you might be needing an ice pick in the coming months!
[02:26:38] <mrcoolbp> Everyone that doesn't have a voice or operator status in this channel: your messages will be forwarded to the channel ops (if there are none, feel free to PM an active user in the channel). | This channel is logged: http://logs.sylnt.us | SN PBC Board Meeting - Wednesday, Oct. 1 at 1:00am UTC (Tue, Sept. 30 at 9:15pm EDT) in #staff, all are welcome
[02:26:38] <monopoly> ^ 03#staff | Logs
[02:26:46] <mrcoolbp> .topic Everyone that doesn't have a voice or operator status in this channel: your messages will be forwarded to the channel ops (if there are none, feel free to PM an active user in the channel). | This channel is logged: http://logs.sylnt.us | SN PBC Board Meeting - Wednesday, Oct. 1 at 1:00am UTC (Tue, Sept. 30 at 9:15pm EDT) in #staff, all are welcome
[02:26:46] juggler changed topic of #Soylent to: Everyone that doesn't have a voice or operator status in this channel: your messages will be forwarded to the channel ops (if there are none, feel free to PM an active user in the channel). | This channel is logged: http://logs.sylnt.us | SN PBC Board Meeting - Wednesday, Oct. 1 at 1:00am UTC (Tue, Sept. 30 at 9:15pm EDT) in #staff, all are welcome
[02:27:02] <mrcoolbp> shit
[02:27:07] <juggs> teehee
[02:27:13] <mrcoolbp> still messed it up
[02:28:02] * mrcoolbp searches for the old topic
[02:28:11] * juggs whacks mrcoolbp
[02:28:26] <SpallsHurgenson> https://SoylentNews.org | Useful links: http://sylnt.us | SN PBC Board Meeting - Tue, Sept. 30 at 22:00 UTC (6:00pm EDT) in #staff, all are welcome
[02:28:27] <monopoly> ^ 03SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
[02:28:27] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03IRC links: Links that used to be in the topic in #soylent on IRC that were moved here to avoid cluttering it. ( http://wiki.soylentnews.org )
[02:29:00] <mrcoolbp> .topic https://SoylentNews.org | Useful links: http://sylnt.us | | SN PBC Board Meeting - Wednesday, Oct. 1 at 1:00am UTC (Tue, Sept. 30 at 9:15pm EDT) in #staff, all are welcome
[02:29:00] juggler changed topic of #Soylent to: https://SoylentNews.org | Useful links: http://sylnt.us | | SN PBC Board Meeting - Wednesday, Oct. 1 at 1:00am UTC (Tue, Sept. 30 at 9:15pm EDT) in #staff, all are welcome
[02:29:07] <mrcoolbp> close enough
[02:29:14] <mrcoolbp> thanks SpallsHurgenson
[02:29:21] * mrcoolbp hands his geek card to juggs
[02:29:40] <juggs> da hell? 1am UTC != 9.15PM EDT
[02:29:49] <mrcoolbp> er
[02:30:00] * juggs incinerates mrcoolbp's card
[02:30:04] <mrcoolbp> .topic https://SoylentNews.org | Useful links: http://sylnt.us | SN PBC Board Meeting - Wednesday, Oct. 1 at 1:15am UTC (Tue, Sept. 30 at 9:15pm EDT) in #staff, all are welcome
[02:30:04] juggler changed topic of #Soylent to: https://SoylentNews.org | Useful links: http://sylnt.us | SN PBC Board Meeting - Wednesday, Oct. 1 at 1:15am UTC (Tue, Sept. 30 at 9:15pm EDT) in #staff, all are welcome
[02:30:09] <mrcoolbp> okay last time
[02:30:20] * SpallsHurgenson received the 16-disc dvd set of monty pythons flying circus today... it's giggle time!
[02:30:22] <juggs> HA!!! Oct 1st or Sept 30th????
[02:30:44] <mrcoolbp> both
[02:30:50] <juggs> oh
[02:30:51] <mrcoolbp> that part is correct sir = )
[02:31:05] * juggs incinerates own card amd dances on the ashes
[02:31:13] <mrcoolbp> !
[02:31:18] <pbnjoe> what's AMD got against you?
[02:31:58] <juggs> AMD?
[02:32:47] <SpallsHurgenson> Advanced Macular Degeneration
[02:33:48] <mrcoolbp> hmm, I wonder who was updating the wiki with new staff meeting times
[02:33:55] <mrcoolbp> er board meeting
[02:34:01] <mrcoolbp> jeez I'm tired
[02:36:12] <pbnjoe> nonono, AMD, y'know, not-nvidia
[02:37:05] <SpallsHurgenson> I think that's spelled "Intel"
[02:38:00] <pbnjoe> that too
[02:38:25] <juggs> mrcoolbp, SN homepage info box needs updating too
[02:38:38] <mrcoolbp> doin' that now
[02:39:25] <juggs> I don't have privs to update that bit of the wiki it seems.
[02:39:37] <mrcoolbp> I think I do, gotta find the page tho
[02:39:39] <juggs> I'd only break it if I did :D
[02:39:59] <mrcoolbp> yeah like I won't...
[02:40:32] <juggs> I look forward to reviewing the revision history
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[02:41:42] <crutchy_> work--
[02:41:42] <Bender> karma - work: -8
[02:42:02] <mrcoolbp> I feel that crutchy, I keep messing up my SN job after my paying job = (
[02:43:28] <chromas> if you have op, you can bypass the bot for topic ;)
[02:44:34] <mrcoolbp> juggs: found it, here goes....
[02:45:08] <mrcoolbp> exec should make the announcement soon I think
[02:45:11] <juggs> indeed so chromas. But it's such a habit using .op .topic etc
[02:45:46] <mrcoolbp> that's how I was taught by xlefay
[02:45:54] <mrcoolbp> so das wat i do
[02:46:10] <juggs> mrcoolbp, also here I think... http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[02:46:10] <crutchy_> announcement?
[02:46:10] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Issues to Be Raised at the Next Board Meeting: If there is an issue that you would like to be raised at the next Board meeting, please include it in the list below. The list will be cleared following each meeting. If you feel that your issue was not adequately addressed at the meeting, please feel free to add it to the list again, with additional detail as needed, and it will be raised at the following meeting.
[02:46:28] * mrcoolbp kicks juggs for #soylent spam
[02:46:36] <chromas> juggler won't give me help, but some bots have fancy topic editing with undo and stuff
[02:46:41] <juggs> hey! kick monopoly not me!
[02:46:56] * mrcoolbp kicks monopoly for good measure
[02:47:10] <monopoly> ouch!
[02:47:11] <crutchy_> monopoly++
[02:47:11] <Bender> karma - monopoly: 13
[02:47:47] <crutchy_> ~staff meeting
[02:47:49] <exec> 08********** 03SOYLENTNEWS BOARD MEETING08 **********
[02:47:49] <exec> 08SN PBC Board Meeting - Wed. Oct. 1 at 1:15am UTC (Tue, Sept. 30 at 9:15pm EDT) on IRC #staff.
[02:47:59] <mrcoolbp> ug, yellow again.
[02:48:05] * mrcoolbp looks into changing the bg color
[02:48:10] <crutchy_> ~time gmt
[02:48:11] <exec> Tuesday, 30 September 2014 @ 2:48 am GMT - Greenwich Mean Time
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[02:48:46] <crutchy_> sorry mrcoolbp. I changed the funding feed but not the meeting one
[02:49:09] <mrcoolbp> whatever, you don't have to change your bot to suit my whims sir.,
[02:49:13] <chromas> crutchy_: now you gotta insert some theme variables
[02:49:16] <crutchy_> err. meeting one isnt a feed. ill change it after work
[02:49:39] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: s'cool, I can select the text to read it = )
[02:50:15] * chromas has the background on everything dark; it does ruin fields in firefox though because it still has black text
[02:50:25] <crutchy_> maybe I should chuck the text through the rainbow function :p
[02:51:12] * monopoly considers lengthening the wiki summary >:D
[02:51:13] * mrcoolbp runs away from the rainbows
[02:51:39] * mrcoolbp whacks monopoly with the LN2-cooled 9-iron and it shatters everywhere sparing monopoly
[02:52:14] * monopoly passes go and collects $200
[02:52:46] <chromas> monopoly: s/.*/gets out of jail free/
[02:52:46] <SedBot9000> <chromas> <monopoly> gets out of jail free
[02:54:24] * crutchy_ sighs. back to the grindstone
[02:54:33] <crutchy_> catch yas later
[02:54:43] <juggs> o/
[02:54:47] * chromas passes crutchy_ a thumble of coffee++
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[02:55:02] <chromas> ~define thumble
[02:55:03] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3Thumble: When your girlfriend texts your wife thinking it's you. like Bret Favre or Tiger Woods.
[02:55:22] <chromas> Now wait a minute
[02:55:33] <chromas> If it's Favre then why do people say Farve?
[02:57:47] <pbnjoe> I can answer that for you but I'll have to find a place in my shejule
[02:58:54] <chromas> I've only heard that pronunciation in parodist context
[02:59:09] <chromas> Is it regional?
[02:59:23] <pbnjoe> I don't think so
[02:59:57] <pbnjoe> I think it's just a small group who pronounce it like that dispersed through the world and a large group who look at them weird for it :p
[03:00:06] <pbnjoe> aka everyone else
[03:00:16] * chromas puts away his monocle
[03:00:19] <mrcoolbp> answer is it's not english, and english speakers love to butcher other languages
[03:01:06] <pbnjoe> oh look at that apparently it is at least partly regional
[03:01:06] <pbnjoe> huh
[03:03:14] <pbnjoe> I wonder if the way groups of people pronounce words could form a shism between them
[03:03:21] * pbnjoe ducks
[03:04:28] <chromas> well, if it weren't for that duck, s/[s,ce]/th/g
[03:04:32] * mrcoolbp is american born but speaks english/spanish/portugese and bits and peices of ~8 more languages +
[03:10:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Robot is the Judge of Authentic Thai Food - http://sylnt.us - season-6-masterchef-judge
[03:13:54] <juggs> nitch and niche (pr. neesh) is another one that could cause a war
[03:16:47] * chromas offers up some gunoo
[03:17:44] <chromas> it's not regional; it's just stupid
[03:21:29] <pbnjoe> gunome
[03:21:51] <pbnjoe> I have heard a guy say that he's running gunome 3
[03:22:09] <pbnjoe> or, using, whatever, operative word being gnome
[03:22:46] <chromas> That's because http://www.gnu.org
[03:22:47] <monopoly> ^ 03How To Pronounce GNU- GNU Project - Free Software Foundation ( pronunciation.html )
[03:23:25] * juggs dies a little inside
[03:24:59] <pbnjoe> gunoo/lie-nux
[03:25:13] <chromas> leenux
[03:26:44] <mrcoolbp> lih-nux
[03:26:51] <chromas> ^
[03:26:57] <chromas> ^ caret
[03:27:24] <pbnjoe> no mrcoolbp, we're trying to pronounce things in a way that disgusts us
[03:27:49] <pbnjoe> :p
[03:27:56] <mrcoolbp> I accept people that say "lie-nux" only because "Linus", but I secretly hate them
[03:28:19] <swiss> linux, like canucks
[03:28:29] <chromas> 'cause they don't know that Linux's Linus is Leenus and says Linux
[03:28:34] <mrcoolbp> l'nux
[03:28:50] <swiss> jen-too is how i pronounce it, g-eh-n-too feels weird
[03:29:04] <chromas> jentoo, jif
[03:29:10] <chromas> >:D
[03:34:47] * mrcoolbp waves 'g'night'
[03:35:03] <pbnjoe> night mrcoolbp
[03:35:06] <mrcoolbp> = )
[03:35:11] <pbnjoe> :)
[03:35:13] <chromas> jood night
[03:35:21] * mrcoolbp whacks chromas
[03:35:22] * pbnjoe elbows chromas in the ribs
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[03:54:21] <pbnjoe> hey, what happened to duckduckgo's goodies page?
[03:59:09] <pbnjoe> redirects to a much less helpful tour page now, and it's been edited out of the wiki and no cache has it either
[03:59:15] * pbnjoe sighs
[03:59:32] <juggs> no idea what that even was
[04:00:26] <pbnjoe> ah, there's a blog post saying they're working on replacing it
[04:00:36] <pbnjoe> it was a page that showed you all the things you could do with DDG
[04:00:57] <pbnjoe> rolling dice, calculating, instant answers, etc
[04:05:50] <pbnjoe> while on the topic of DDG, putting !sn into it takes you to SN :)
[04:06:18] <pbnjoe> and putting "!sn whatever" searches whatever on the site
[04:06:59] * swiss likes being tracked
[04:07:36] <swiss> they want to make the internet more tuned to me, I'm okay with that
[04:08:24] <pbnjoe> just a happy side thing that can be used from the tracking
[04:09:36] <swiss> they're gonna use it to try to sell me more shit
[04:09:45] <swiss> which means they're going to make more shit appealing to me!
[04:12:41] * pbnjoe is too sleepy to argue the morality and such
[04:12:52] <pbnjoe> and it'd come to nothing anyway, because I've my opinion and you've yours :)
[04:14:02] <juggs> eh.. what? DDG has a !sn bang now?
[04:14:09] * juggs goes to lookie
[04:15:06] <juggs> feck me sideways it does
[04:15:09] <pbnjoe> yep! Has for a while :) I (and maybe others, no way to tell) submitted it
[04:17:01] <pbnjoe> while being on the scale of months :p
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[04:20:27] <juggs> good work! I wonder how many bangs they have
[04:22:23] <pbnjoe> ddg.gg/bang
[04:22:39] <pbnjoe> quite a bit
[04:24:07] <pbnjoe> 4724
[04:24:19] <pbnjoe> if my rough copy+paste is correct
[04:24:42] <juggs> ermagurd - thousands of them. Are they just crawling around looking for sites with search forms? I note the !sn returns the sn site search rather than anything they indexed themselves ~sigh~
[04:25:08] <pbnjoe> there's a submission form, I'm guessing most if not all are from that
[04:25:41] <juggs> Hmm, how a DDG funded?
[04:25:42] <juggs> are*
[04:25:45] <chromas> does the sn work?
[04:25:46] <pbnjoe> within the submission form it asks for what a search page on the site looks like, and you put {{{s}}} or something like that for the search term placeholder
[04:25:50] <pbnjoe> chromas, yes
[04:25:50] <chromas> (search)
[04:26:23] <chromas> I remember on the cyan site the built-in search seemed to miss a lot of pages
[04:27:01] <pbnjoe> DDG seem to be funded by donations and text-based ads, the ad relating to what's in the search box at the time of page load
[04:28:28] <pbnjoe> ah ha, https://duck.co
[04:28:29] <monopoly> ^ 03Advertising and Affiliates
[04:29:02] <juggs> ahh, the "we'll aggregate data in non identifiable ways" crowd... unless you cross reference X which we release with Y them over there release.
[04:30:00] <chromas> there's always ixquick
[04:30:17] <chromas> but is it a trap?
[04:30:34] <juggs> follow the money
[04:30:41] <pbnjoe> ? it's not aggregated
[04:31:25] <juggs> pbnjoe, how do you know?
[04:32:07] <pbnjoe> ah goddamnit!
[04:34:07] <pbnjoe> seems they store the searches but not with an ip address or user string, just use it to correct mispellings and stuff
[04:34:07] <pbnjoe> hmm
[04:35:52] <pbnjoe> that actually kinda seems ok because that doesn't seem to stick to me, in any sense of the word personally, scummy or actual
[04:36:16] <pbnjoe> sounds like they go "hm, 1000 people searched duck, I wonder if this guy means dcuk"
[04:36:22] <pbnjoe> I mean
[04:36:35] <pbnjoe> I need to stop typing
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[04:37:33] <juggs> perhaps they store a non-reversible hash of the IP and browser fingerprint with each search. That seems anonymous right. It's a hash, it's not reversible and couldn't be linked back to you as an individual right?
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[04:40:27] <juggs> lol
[04:41:02] <juggs> I forget this place is logged
[04:41:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How to Make a “Perfect” Solar Absorber - http://sylnt.us - dilitium-crystals-next
[04:42:46] <pbnjoe> it seems to me they don't aggregate the searches to a particular person/hash/cookie/user string/what have you but just in general so it can guess what people mean
[04:44:49] <pbnjoe> it'd be pretty dumb for them to lie about what they do; as soon as a single person found out they'd lose their whole user base
[04:45:13] <pbnjoe> and in any case, the only other option seems to be ixquick/startpage which doesn't have !bang and other stuff :)
[04:48:10] <juggs> and if each search provider chooses to hash things the same ways - they individually can declare they have no way to reverse it short of bruting it. But of course someone buying up that anonymised data can cross reference it with anonymised (or not so anonymised) data from elsewhere that also deploys the same hashing on visitors. This is not an easy nut to crack.
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[04:49:38] <juggs> They may or may not be doing this. But in any case they would not be lying.
[04:51:25] <pbnjoe> what can be done?
[04:53:36] <juggs> Browser fingerprinting is simple, hell I've been staff on a game that has used that for years to detect multis. It may not give an absolute chain of evidence but it certainly reduces doubt. Which in front of a court is pretty much all that matters to convince people.
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[04:56:16] <pbnjoe> I don't mean with it, I mean about it
[04:56:22] * juggs passes pbnjoe a power switch. Can't secure what is communicated in public over networks you have no control over. Sure you can secure individual communications but obfuscating the patterns is nigh on impossible it seems to me.
[04:56:50] <pbnjoe> yeah, was just gonna add "excluding not using a search engine/the internet"
[05:01:38] <juggs> :D there ya go - we can secure our communiques in the small picture but in the large picture it's basically not possible within the architecture we have now. Doesn't mean we should all throw our hands up in the air and not encrypt comms where we can, it just means... I've no idea where I was going with that... :D
[05:02:28] <pbnjoe> it means we just do the best we can :)
[05:02:29] <juggs> oh yeah... just re-architect it! That was it. Sounds like a simply PHB thing to say!
[05:02:38] <pbnjoe> that too
[05:03:01] <Konomi> okay odd question hope someone knows
[05:03:14] <Konomi> is 30 secs ttl for a dynamic dns a little nuts?
[05:03:57] <juggs> no - fairly typical for ddns - would have been frowned upon years ago, not so much now.
[05:04:12] <Konomi> wow 30 seconds propigation seems nuts to me x.x
[05:07:28] <juggs> idiots want to run something on flaky connections and ipv4, isps scrimp on dynamic IP pools ~shrug~ I swear ipv4 has been deliberately allowed to exhaust so some money can be squeezed out of its rarity. ~sigh~
[05:08:20] <Konomi> thanks for the info juggs
[05:08:29] <Konomi> I was worried my code was not getting the right ttl ;p
[05:08:36] <Konomi> cause 30 seconds seemed nuts
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[05:08:53] <Konomi> yeah...
[05:09:24] <juggs> not sure I provided any - but think of all those IOT things that use uPNP and DDNS to provide a cloudhesive service... it's only going to get worse.
[05:10:01] <Konomi> upnp is a nice conept shame it has no security
[05:13:02] <juggs> users won't accept inconvenience, shit should just work, security requires inconvenience as we architect things at the moment. If I can dream up a different way that makes both possible I'm going to be a rich man and then post how on SN :D
[05:20:40] <silverly> aye, like pgp/ gpg.
[05:20:44] <juggs> Or maybe I'll get rich then give my patents to SN! That sounds good. Then SN can gift the fruits of my genius to the community. Of course I'd need some genius first.
[05:20:50] <silverly> Its hard to use, but super useful.
[05:21:24] <swiss> juggs: make sure they are all vuln to shellshock
[05:22:36] <juggs> ietf pretty much screwed the pooch with ipv6 - there's no ground given to transition concerns there. So we're going to be stuck with ever increasing level of cgNAT and other fuckwittery.
[05:28:33] <juggs> silverly, it's not useful at all, it's unusable for anyone but neckbeards who care about such things. And 99.9% of people aren't. It's like proposing a lock that requires 99 keys to open in some synchronised swimming display - most people if even presented with it just say "feck that" and go back to watching Strictly Come Making A Tool Of Yourself On Ice With Explosions. The complain about it the next day.
[05:29:32] <silverly> lol i know, but it sounds cool :(
[05:34:05] <juggs> Perhaps the question is - "Is there even a problem to solve?". If users are happy to have their comings and goings snarfed up why would anyone bother building an architecture to prevent that. People should care (to my mind), but they appear not to by their actions. So maybe I'm the odd one here.
[05:35:46] <silverly> juggs, it can go both ways, if you dont care then fine, have your coming and goings all public. But if you dont, you might as well have a system that allows you to do so.
[05:37:00] <silverly> I dunno, over in Australia atm, the government just allowed our internet usage be analysed by our intelligence agency, which im not cool with
[05:37:02] <juggs> silverly, agreed. I do care. Architect it.
[05:37:53] <silverly> juggs, haha okay then!
[05:40:04] <juggs> and therein is the problem in a nutshell. Lot's of complaining, no solutions. I'm not sure it is solveable.
[05:42:50] <silverly> aye, its never be going to be a quick fix.
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[05:44:26] <juggs> No, I propose that it is unfixable, not whether it is a slow or fast fix.
[05:47:51] <silverly> techically unfixable or practically unfixable?
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[05:57:21] <juggs> both silverly. It comes down to trust in the end, and feck knows there have been endless discussions about how to establish trust over the years. Maybe the point is, trust isn't binary and we keep trying to shove it into a binary mould where it simply is never going to fit.
[05:59:16] <silverly> juggs, your right. Hmm...
[05:59:30] <silverly> i have no idea myself
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[06:00:19] * silverly does some reading on this
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[06:01:49] <swiss> if others can get to my traffic, they can read it all they want
[06:02:18] <juggs> gawd no silverly, you'll end up a pointless windbag like me!
[06:02:49] <swiss> juggs: drove the sr today
[06:02:49] <silverly> juggs, lol sounds a good plan to me
[06:02:51] <juggs> swiss, nothing to hide, nothing to fear :D
[06:02:54] <swiss> felt slow after motorcycle
[06:03:24] <swiss> i have plenty to hide, but if they can attribute it to me, they win
[06:03:32] <swiss> and i accept that
[06:03:46] <SirFinkus> I feel retarded, but what was the word for when two different frequencies sometimes align and create artifacts, like blinkers on a car
[06:03:50] <SirFinkus> I know there's a word for it
[06:04:12] <swiss> syncronization?
[06:04:23] <swiss> interference?
[06:04:39] <SirFinkus> naw, I'm stupid at explaining it
[06:04:53] * juggs blinks
[06:06:19] * swiss blinks asyncronously
[06:06:22] <silverly> Superposition?
[06:07:29] <SirFinkus> there's a word for it, I know it
[06:07:38] * juggs gives swiss a black turbo'd hayabusa
[06:07:57] <swiss> idk what that is
[06:08:02] <swiss> but it sounds faster
[06:09:09] <SirFinkus> well, I've learned how turn signals work
[06:09:13] <SirFinkus> thermal switches
[06:09:43] <Popeidol> does that mean the time spent lit varies slightly depending on weather?
[06:10:25] <SirFinkus> apparently
[06:10:40] <juggs> only 400bhp+ on two wheels swiss. Make sure to turn in your donor card slip before riding though, we've had trouble picking through the carrion fodder up til now.
[06:10:54] <swiss> lol
[06:11:01] <swiss> crayyyyy
[06:11:10] <SirFinkus> it looks like there's a bendy piece of metal that has electricy flowing through it, when it's straight it closes a circuit, heats up, and bends away from the contact until it cools again
[06:11:38] <swiss> i saw aan rc8 this last weekend. i dont like the headlight, but that is my only complaint
[06:11:46] <juggs> uhh - a bi-metallic strip then SirFinkus ?
[06:11:59] <SirFinkus> yeah, something like that
[06:12:09] <SirFinkus> I didn't ready too much into it, just saw the picture
[06:13:17] <swiss> bedtime
[06:13:43] <SirFinkus> night
[06:15:52] <silverly> juggs, god damn it im starting to vaguely understand why this comes down to trust
[06:16:35] <juggs> Not sure what you are trying to describe SirFinkus - two blinkers blinking in synchronisation or the light from blinkers cancelling each other out some how?
[06:17:01] <SirFinkus> the interaction where they line up for a while
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[06:17:10] <juggs> silverly, you're welcome.
[06:17:50] <juggs> SirFinkus, newp, not helping.
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[06:22:10] <juggs> SirFinkus, sounds like a common or garden automotive relay. Think of them as big built transistors. Never thought I'd have to do that!
[06:22:31] <SirFinkus> yeah, they're neat
[06:22:44] <SirFinkus> at least I've learned that for today
[06:24:24] <SirFinkus> that's why turn signals never line up
[06:24:52] <juggs> What do you mean by they don't line up?
[06:25:36] <SirFinkus> they aren't every in sync
[06:28:01] <SirFinkus> looking for this reminds me of the early days of the internet before google
[06:35:01] <juggs> The various turn signals on an automobile will be typically under the control of a single relay - so power is applied to the various bulbs as the relay clicks in and out - how rapidly the individual bulbs light is a property of each bulb. Generally that is down to the wattage of the bulb in question - as far as I know we're still using heated coils for blinker bulbs. I think I'm missing the point.
[06:35:38] <SirFinkus> well, that's the idea
[06:35:52] <juggs> Barring bad and uncommon earths of course
[06:36:13] <SirFinkus> as far as the word I'm looking for
[06:36:24] <SirFinkus> say you generate at 440hz sine wave
[06:36:40] <SirFinkus> then another sine wave at 441hz and play them at the same time
[06:36:48] <SirFinkus> you'll get a 3rd frequency
[06:37:24] <SirFinkus> you can also see if in things like turn signals, or if you have 2 fans going at different speeds
[06:38:03] <juggs> harmonic?
[06:39:43] <juggs> same reason not to use power tools under old flourescent tube lighting.... the moving bits appear to stand still leading to bad things happening.
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[06:42:09] <juggs> no - not harmonic - but I know what you are grasping for. The wave forms negate each other leaving the difference visible.
[06:43:21] <SirFinkus> yeah, there's a term for it, I think it may be an electrical engineering thing
[06:43:30] <SirFinkus> used to generate clocks and stuff
[06:45:22] <chromas> phase?
[06:47:34] <SirFinkus> nope
[06:47:36] <SirFinkus> giving up for now
[06:48:35] <juggs> make up a new phrase SirFinkus "Near Phase Harmonic Wave Form Distortion" - I think it may be confabulated with crosstalk but hey my phrase sounds like something you could get funds to research!
[06:49:03] <SirFinkus> I don't know enough math to bullshit that
[06:49:03] * chromas gives tama a beat frequency oscillator
[06:49:21] <SirFinkus> although I may know enough greek letters
[06:49:48] <SirFinkus> I'm thinking audophile snakeoil stuff
[06:50:21] <SirFinkus> charge 4k for a "Near Phase Harmonic Wave Form Distortion Normalizer"
[06:51:00] <juggs> And I don't know enough bullshit to defeat the math.... but bullshit always wins. Monster Gold cables al round it is.
[06:51:02] <chromas> don't forget to polarize the insulation
[06:51:50] <SirFinkus> no, polarized insulation sucks
[06:52:00] <SirFinkus> you really need Tri-Phase Polarization
[06:52:17] <SirFinkus> I mean, if you're serious about hearing the music as the artist intended
[06:52:36] <juggs> Don't forget, you have to have those speaker cables connected according to the arrows on them. Sounds like crap if you connect them the other way.
[06:53:54] <SirFinkus> and hang the Transduced Harmonic Wave Dampeners near the outlets
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[06:55:17] <SirFinkus> or you can compensate with a Frequency Bypass Equalizer
[06:55:54] <SirFinkus> but only if it uses the proper Rare Earth materials that vibrate at the proper frequencies
[06:56:16] <crutchy_> or launch transphasic torpedoes at the warp coils
[06:56:52] * chromas secretly installed acoustic resonators in the neighbors' houses so my music sounds better than theirs
[06:57:04] <chromas> in their outlets
[06:57:45] <SirFinkus> warp coils? do you WANT a sawtooth waveform?
[06:57:50] <crutchy_> are acoustic resonators made from bags of dog shit?
[06:58:42] <crutchy_> dogfart is an acoustic resonance
[06:58:45] <chromas> partially
[06:58:47] <SirFinkus> you probably don't even use elemental Gold on all of your connections
[06:59:08] <chromas> periodic gold; elemental is for suckers
[06:59:18] <SirFinkus> haha wow
[06:59:27] <crutchy_> the red color gold
[06:59:49] <SirFinkus> do you at least increase the nitrogen concentration in your listening room?
[06:59:56] <chromas> Yep, it comes in cotton cylinders
[07:00:11] <SirFinkus> sounds like there's still hope for you
[07:00:17] <crutchy_> mined from the canyons of love
[07:00:29] <SirFinkus> try the elemental gold, it really draws out the highs and increases the soundstage
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[07:02:47] <crutchy_> rain--
[07:02:47] <Bender> karma - rain: -1
[07:03:05] <SirFinkus> rain++
[07:03:05] <Bender> karma - rain: 0
[07:03:09] * SirFinkus likes the rain
[07:03:22] <JamesNZ> sun++
[07:03:22] <Bender> karma - sun: 0
[07:03:41] <SirFinkus> the sun sucks
[07:03:48] <SirFinkus> heats up my room
[07:03:59] <SirFinkus> makes the fans spin up
[07:04:14] <chromas> put a curtain outside your window
[07:04:21] * JamesNZ loves the sun <3
[07:04:32] <SirFinkus> I actually covered the window with cardboard
[07:06:10] <chromas> You sure beat frequency isn't what you're looking for?
[07:06:34] <juggs> just rip out the window and replace with bricks - welcome to your own created dungeon :D Keeps the heating bills lower on the plus side.
[07:06:43] <SirFinkus> fairly sure chromas
[07:06:56] <crutchy_> meat beat frequency
[07:07:01] <SirFinkus> wish my uncle was still kicking, he'd be able to tell me instantly
[07:07:35] <chromas> better start clicking around on the fount of all knowledge
[07:07:53] <juggs> phase cancellation - that sounds good
[07:08:05] <juggs> TMB will know D
[07:09:17] <SirFinkus> I remember reading about it on hackerne.ws a few months ago
[07:10:11] <chromas> ooh, didn't know that redirect existed
[07:14:53] <juggs> I've still no idea if we are talking about why all turn lights on an individual vehicle are not entirely in phase or whether a queue of vehicles should or should not synchronise signals.
[07:15:19] * juggs goes to lie down... it's for the best
[07:16:59] <SirFinkus> there's gotta be some ocd nerd that rigged their car so that their turn signals syncronized with the car in front
[07:29:48] <crutchy> vegemite++
[07:29:48] <Bender> karma - vegemite: 2
[07:32:41] <crutchy> juggs, should add hackerne.ws to regurgitator
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[07:36:47] <crutchy__> juggs, should add hackerne.ws to regurgitator
[07:36:49] <chromas> crutchys are taking over the channel
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[07:37:52] <crutchy__> stupid storm
[07:38:03] <crutchy__> routers went a bit dicky
[07:38:10] <chromas> now you can't control exec until you id
[07:38:20] * chromas has all the exec powah!
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[07:38:31] <crutchy__> ~rainbow dogfart
[07:38:32] <exec> 00,06d00,04o00,07g00,08f00,09a00,12r00,02t
[07:38:52] <crutchy__> the important stuff is there :D
[07:39:41] <crutchy__> unless xlefay shows up. then you can fight for it
[07:40:35] <crutchy__> coffee++
[07:40:35] <Bender> karma - coffee: 865
[07:40:53] <crutchy__> coffee++ # makes a good pinger
[07:40:53] <Bender> karma - coffee: 866
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[07:45:12] <crutchy__> xfce++
[07:45:12] <Bender> karma - xfce: 1
[07:45:27] <crutchy__> systemd++
[07:45:28] <Bender> karma - systemd: -3
[07:46:06] <crutchy__> did the bored meeting happen?
[07:46:16] <chromas> got pushed back
[07:46:21] <chromas> or forward. whatever
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[07:55:05] <JamesNZ> Gah. I hate it when it takes longer to figure out the pseudocode than the algorithm the pseudocode is describing -_-
[07:56:08] <crutchy> psuedocode? who does that?
[07:56:20] * crutchy is a cowboy
[07:56:27] <chromas> don't forget to diagram
[07:56:43] <JamesNZ> Yeah right :P
[07:57:02] <crutchy> chromas, s/gr/phrag/
[07:57:02] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> <chromas> don't forget to diaphragam
[07:57:08] <crutchy> oops
[07:57:16] <chromas> hah that's what I was doing too
[07:57:30] <chromas> trying to do it with () but I don't think it would've worked
[07:57:45] <crutchy> great minds think of the same dirty shit :D
[07:58:14] <crutchy> you can prolly smell better than me
[07:58:21] <Konomi> hmm
[07:58:29] <Konomi> did firefox remove trash from bookmarks?
[07:58:31] <crutchy> especially with your dogfart
[07:58:37] <Konomi> cause I can't find it I was sure it used to be there
[07:59:11] <chromas> I don't have a trash or anything like it in my 'library' in palemoon
[07:59:19] <crutchy> trash? as in recycle bin deleted files kind of trash?
[07:59:56] <chromas> ooh, but when the window is not active, the icons do a slide effect onmouseover
[08:00:14] <chromas> toolbar icons
[08:00:59] <Konomi> deleted bookmarks basically
[08:01:04] <Konomi> I was sure mozilla used to have it
[08:01:47] <crutchy> is it a plugin?
[08:01:56] <Konomi> don't think so ;p
[08:02:16] <crutchy> couldn't see anything about trash in iceweasel
[08:02:29] <Konomi> heh they have an undo...
[08:02:34] <chromas> I remember it too but that was years ago. You see, I don't believe in bookmarks
[08:02:37] <Konomi> they went for an undo system over trash...
[08:02:46] <chromas> and if I don't believe in them, then they can't hurt me anymore
[08:04:04] <crutchy> only thing that comes anywhere close is backup and restore
[08:04:35] <crutchy> looks like there might be an autobackup too cos the restore menu is full of dates
[08:04:49] <chromas> probably the mozilla ate the trash
[08:05:01] <crutchy> maybe check your restore menu in the bookmarks window
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[09:41:49] <crutchy> mmm pod coffee
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[10:32:38] <chromas> from the nobody-reads-the-tosa dept
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[11:30:54] <crutchy> botfap++
[11:30:54] <Bender> karma - botfap: 1
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[11:38:08] <botfap> yo slashrejects, i heard you like volunteers, so i put one in your irc
[11:38:15] <botfap> what skills are needed?
[11:46:20] <crutchy> mad hax0rz skillz
[11:47:59] <crutchy> ~time TheMightyBuzzard
[11:48:00] <exec> Tuesday, 30 September 2014 @ 6:48 am CDT - Ada, OK
[11:48:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:48:06] <Bender> karma - coffee: 867
[11:48:10] <crutchy> mornin
[11:48:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> botfap, whatcha got?
[11:49:02] <crutchy> that has gotta be the best nick in here :D
[11:50:37] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:50:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 868
[11:50:52] <crutchy> queue ar in 3... 2... 1...
[11:51:13] <idetuxs> mornin
[11:51:22] <crutchy> g'day idetuxs
[11:51:32] <idetuxs> Hi crutchy o/
[11:52:01] <idetuxs> need a rest
[11:52:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, idetuxs
[11:52:14] <idetuxs> mornin TheMightyBuzzard :)
[11:52:54] <idetuxs> same region of time zone apparently
[11:53:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh?
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[11:53:51] <crutchy> Konomi not havin much luck with her connection :/
[11:54:13] <crutchy> been dropping out all evening. maybe storms there too
[11:54:29] <idetuxs> because crutchy said 'morning'
[11:54:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be ya
[11:54:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, nah he's just polite like that
[11:55:01] <crutchy> ~time crutchy
[11:55:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> won't be morning for him for a few hours
[11:55:02] <exec> Tuesday, 30 September 2014 @ 9:55 pm GMT+10 - Traralgon VIC, Australia
[11:55:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather
[11:55:15] <exec> Weather for Ada, OK - currrently 61°F, clear, wind SE at 6 mph, humidity 100% - Tuesday chance of storm (86°F, 66°F), Wednesday chance of storm (88°F, 70°F), Thursday chance of storm (86°F, 52°F), Friday clear (75°F, 52°F) - source: Google
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[11:55:31] <botfap> i got decent networking, perl, c, php, js, db skills sql and key value pairs, lots, im an oldfag, but i also got 2 new RHEL trainees i would like to get involved and write about some live but open projects.
[11:55:39] <idetuxs> hhaa :P
[11:56:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> botfap, i lurve you.
[11:56:30] <botfap> they could probably contribute to that documentation shit i hate to do
[11:56:42] * crutchy can feel a bugslashing parté in the making
[11:57:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, wake the hell up
[11:57:15] <idetuxs> that bot is looking rad crutchy
[11:57:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> and crutchy, if that's your bot ima keel you.
[11:58:07] <crutchy> thanks matey. i'm putting script event handler registering in atm
[11:58:20] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, ¿
[11:58:27] <idetuxs> lol
[12:00:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> botfap, email paulej72@soylentnews.org and he'll get you hooked up. or wait an hour or two until he wakes up and he'll be on here.
[12:01:56] <idetuxs> ~time idetuxs #?
[12:01:57] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Tuesday, 30 September 2014, 12:01 pm
[12:02:02] <botfap> done, cheers mightybuzzrd
[12:02:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's lead dev, i'm just a minion or i'd have you coding this am. we're bad hurting for perl devs.
[12:04:00] <idetuxs> cool botfap
[12:04:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> c will come in handy when we migrate to apache2 though and js/serious db skills are something we can absolutely use as well.
[12:04:40] <botfap> we could probably donate about 30hrs week between them for basic perl, they be much better at bugfixing than being creative in perl
[12:05:14] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, not my bot. i'm not smart enough to think of 'botfap' for a nick, and my bots always have .com.au in host
[12:05:23] <crutchy> ~bot new dogfart
[12:05:38] <botfap> apache1?!?
[12:05:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what slash ran on so it's what we had to go with for now.
[12:06:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> tragic, no?
[12:06:47] <botfap> i have only just come back to slash after 6+ years away, its horrific
[12:07:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> outstanding. for the mad perl skillz we more or less got it covered but picking the low-hanging fruit that we don't have time to get to will be a godsend.
[12:07:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> you coded slash before then or you mean as a user?
[12:07:52] <botfap> as a user only
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[12:07:59] <crutchy> ^this one's me
[12:08:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, nod nod. yeah beta is pretty butt-ugly and unfunctional.
[12:09:48] <crutchy> ~bot say dogfart privmsg i have te mad c0dez
[12:09:49] <dogfart> i have te mad c0dez
[12:10:03] <botfap> it wasnt the beta lol, i quickly found classic, it was the content/adverts and the level 13 year old commenter's
[12:10:14] <idetuxs> I visited slash today since a couple of months, and it didn't have the beta looks, they reversed it?
[12:10:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, we have a couple of those but only because they're apparently free with every domain name.
[12:11:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> most of the best commenters came along with us seems like.
[12:11:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> !uid
[12:11:14] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4760, owned by deltron
[12:12:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> morale++
[12:12:37] <Bender> karma - morale: 1
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[12:15:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... I should wait on pj to bounce ipnd for me properly but but technically it's possible as the slash user so ima do that
[12:15:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh wait, get a free bounce with every deploy
[12:15:34] <crutchy> is that the paypal thingy?
[12:15:48] <botfap> well i gotta get back to real work, but i emailed your man, and im user botfap on the main site
[12:16:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> be really, really glad to have you aboard man
[12:16:19] <crutchy> botfap, welcome to the rabble
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[12:41:21] <crutchy> ~rehash
[12:41:22] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file (81 aliases)
[12:46:37] <crutchy> ~restart
[12:46:38] <exec> successfully saved buckets file
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[12:48:03] <crutchy> oops wrong chan
[12:48:54] * TheMightyBuzzard growls
[12:50:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> argh! i can't get any data back to debug with because nothing is coming through from bitpay
[12:50:40] <crutchy> i'll try to keep my testing in #test or #
[12:50:56] <crutchy> do they have a demo?
[12:50:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> wasn't growling at you, was growling at bitpay.
[12:51:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, test env works fine. prod does not.
[12:51:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> really need to check the settings but i don't have access to the live account.
[12:51:34] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: just do a reload_slash.sh it will restart all services
[12:51:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, ya or a deploy which i needed to do anyway.
[12:51:54] <crutchy> can you run a little shell script test to make sure you can connect to bitpay from prod?
[12:52:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> no need, they should be sending not vice versa
[12:53:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> lemme read up i guess. json requests might be a test only thing.
[12:53:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, google says it's good on live
[12:54:32] <crutchy> i'm guessing you cant wireshark on prod?
[12:54:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg, prolly not but it's on dev i'm worried about and nothing is getting to dev at all.
[12:55:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> well rather things go to dev fine but it receives nothing from bitpay
[12:55:58] <crutchy> so your dev vm works but dev.sn doesn't?
[12:56:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but dev.sn is working off their production environment not the test one.
[12:56:59] <crutchy> does the dev.sn work with bitpay test env?
[12:57:32] <crutchy> sory i'm full of dumb questions
[12:57:53] <paulej72> crutchy: we did not try that
[12:58:22] <paulej72> we probably shoud though, will bitpay test work with https?
[12:59:13] <crutchy> i guess if you toggle between test and prod bitpay on dev.sn and former works but latter doesn't you gunna have to ask bitpay what the diff is
[13:00:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, should yes
[13:00:30] <crutchy> might be slight config differences between slashvm and dev.sn?
[13:00:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> just a matter of adding test to the front of the vars i believe
[13:00:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp
[13:01:05] <crutchy> not one of those glusterfucks?
[13:01:23] * crutchy doesn't even know what gluster is
[13:01:41] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: you need to change the api key as well
[13:01:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, keep the old one handy
[13:02:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll use the one off my vm
[13:02:15] <paulej72> sounds good to me
[13:02:25] <paulej72> we know that one works
[13:02:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> done and saved
[13:03:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> only other change should be changing bitpay_host
[13:04:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> changed. bouncing
[13:04:46] <crutchy> api key not locked to slashvm ip address?
[13:05:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> no
[13:05:33] <crutchy> hmm prolly doesn't make sense to do that anyway. just thinking aloud
[13:06:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> be a moment, six days behind on my testnet blockchain
[13:06:27] <ciri> when you coming back. miss ya already! ;) TheMightyBuzzard
[13:06:50] <crutchy> ciri is a wombat
[13:07:17] * TheMightyBuzzard grumbles
[13:07:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> still no love
[13:07:53] <crutchy> something blocking it maybe?
[13:08:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> have no bloody clue
[13:08:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to change it to direct instead of going through the load balancer
[13:10:12] <crutchy> can you ping the bitpay host from dev.sn? (just to throw out the obvious)
[13:10:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, it's the load balancer eating the connections
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[13:11:32] <paulej72> how can it be eating the connection? it works for test pages?
[13:11:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have no clue. maybe their server doesn't like our cert or something.
[13:12:14] <paulej72> OK that could be.
[13:12:14] <crutchy> does ipnd use a port that's firewalled off on dev.sn by any chance?
[13:12:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> slap the prod api key in real quick. want to find out if we can use http and ignore the load balancer on prod.
[13:12:39] * crutchy has nfi how any of this stuff works :p
[13:12:50] <paulej72> does it work with a drirect connection to dev
[13:13:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, you can curl and get to dev just fine
[13:13:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> something between them and our load balancer is causing discord though.
[13:14:03] <crutchy> load balancer logs to see if anything is getting to it?
[13:14:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> lemme know when you have the key in and i'll set it up to use live btc settings
[13:15:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, my full cup of coffee went cold while i was messing with that
[13:15:42] <crutchy> that means you can slam it down hard :D
[13:15:55] <crutchy> chug chug chug!
[13:16:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah that means it's getting nuked
[13:16:20] <paulej72> key is changed
[13:16:59] <crutchy> coffee++ sounds like a bloody good idea, even though its almost midnight :/
[13:16:59] <Bender> karma - coffee: 869
[13:18:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> bouncing
[13:20:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, cool. https is NOT essential
[13:20:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause i just bought NC a subscription on dev and it showed up
[13:20:25] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[13:20:25] <Bender> karma - coffee: 870
[13:20:30] <Blackmoore> mornin
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[13:20:42] <crutchy> thunder++ woohoo!
[13:20:42] <Bender> karma - thunder: 1
[13:21:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:21:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 871
[13:21:31] <paulej72> Good so we know it works, with production data. just does not like the load balancer
[13:21:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i wonder... hang on wanna check something
[13:22:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tor Executive Hints at Firefox Integration - http://sylnt.us - What-does-the-fox-say?
[13:23:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, https is what's going through not http. oh well. we can go live with it like this as long as we skip the encryption.
[13:24:54] * TheMightyBuzzard tests something else
[13:25:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... this could lead to issues...
[13:25:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause paypal is using https
[13:25:58] <paulej72> through the load balacner
[13:26:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[13:26:19] <paulej72> bypass it and get http
[13:26:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> so we either drop https for paypal or we have to fire up another instance of ipnd
[13:26:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> or recode ipnd to spin off a server for each
[13:26:47] <crutchy> moar complexity!!!
[13:26:55] <crutchy> complexitiness++
[13:26:55] <Bender> karma - complexitiness: 1
[13:27:41] <crutchy> make a perl version of exec and you can spin up ipnd instances from here :p
[13:27:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh wait. paypal is only getting its https from the load balancer, it's actually listening on http. we could go direct to that box instead of load balancing it.
[13:28:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> the box ipnd is running on is ipv4 and world accessible, yes?
[13:29:05] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: should be
[13:29:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> excellent. we're good to go then
[13:29:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd prefer using https but it's not imperative.
[13:30:03] <paulej72> if we had our wildcard cert :)
[13:30:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, ya. and you might could contact bitpay and ask them to check their logs for what errors they got so we could fix it too.
[13:30:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> or so they could, whichever.
[13:31:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're apparently pretty responsive.
[13:31:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp will have transaction ids they can grep for in his email i believe.
[13:32:37] <mrcoolbp> nope, emails are vanilla "payment recvd"
[13:32:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> bummer
[13:32:46] * mrcoolbp logs in
[13:33:36] <mrcoolbp> current balance .03 USD
[13:33:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> weird, personal info pages not working for me on dev.
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[13:33:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> woot woot! rich!
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[13:34:42] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: hmm I think I have some IDs for you here
[13:34:50] <mrcoolbp> 2 today, one on 9/24
[13:34:50] <ciri> 3
[13:35:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> 9/24 one would definitely work
[13:35:12] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: broken for me too.
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[13:35:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> something we did ya think?
[13:35:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> working on my vm and it's current so...
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[13:36:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> dev prolly just needs an enema
[13:37:10] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: what did you deploy from?
[13:37:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~/src/slashcode
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[13:38:21] <paulej72> redeploying from master now
[13:38:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[13:39:27] <paulej72> Still broken.
[13:39:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> weird
[13:39:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> lemme pull a redeploy on my vm from master and check it
[13:41:03] <paulej72> [Tue Sep 30 13:40:32 2014] [error] /users.pl:Apache::ROOTdev_2esoylentnews_2eorg::users_2epl:/srv/dev.soylentnews.org/slashcode/site/soylent-mainpage/htdocs/users.pl:1347:ID 360, userInfo;users;default : file error - parse error - 335 line 61: unexpected token (IF)\n [% IF IF admin_flag || user.uid == sub.uid %] ;; Which was called
[13:41:04] <paulej72> by:Apache::ROOTdev_2esoylentnews_2eorg::users_2epl:/srv/dev.soylentnews.org/slashcode/site/soylent-mainpage/htdocs/users.pl:488
[13:42:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> must have a template difference between the vm and dev then but i'm certain i'm current with master
[13:42:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a double IF there
[13:43:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> [% IF IF
[13:44:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, dev is apparently not current to master
[13:47:18] <paulej72> dupmed the templates and redeploy
[13:48:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> ./themes/default/templates/listSubmissions;users;default
[13:48:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> line 82
[13:48:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> I'll let you fix.
[13:49:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, okay, apparently I was NOT current. I was yesterday though
[13:50:14] <Konomi> being correct is just a matter of time after all
[13:50:16] * Konomi hides
[13:50:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> zactly
[13:51:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, thas better. now mine's broken too.
[13:52:00] <crutchy> precision is more important than accuracy. as long as you have lots of decimal places people will think its right
[13:52:08] <paulej72> I edited the template directly from the admin page and reloaded
[13:52:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. shows good now
[13:52:51] <paulej72> I’ll just need to merge that fix.
[13:53:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> should have caught that yesterday when i merged but everyone misses something every now and then.
[13:53:55] <crutchy> gir misses cupcake
[13:54:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, we'll be all working when that hits master and bitpay is working for the most part. what else do we need before we drop 14.10?
[13:55:03] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[13:55:03] <monopoly> ^ 03Gir- I Miss You Cupcake - YouTube
[13:57:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause right now i'm thinking we could spend another two weeks getting minor bugs out the way and it wouldn't hurt my feelings at all.
[13:58:00] <crutchy> now you have minions too :D
[13:58:27] <crutchy> i wonder what the other minion nicks will be
[13:58:38] <crutchy> botfap is hard to beat
[13:58:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> well it'll take em at least a week to get set up and pull requesting, so nothing they do is likely to hit 14.10
[14:00:39] <paulej72> so far I have not gotten an email from botfap
[14:01:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> sigh, may have been someone trolling me
[14:01:37] <crutchy> def wasn't me
[14:01:55] * mrcoolbp glares at crutchy
[14:02:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> said he had already emailed you, so i dunno.
[14:03:09] <crutchy> he kinda sounded legit. he kinda sounded a bit like arti calling himself and oldfag
[14:03:18] <crutchy> dammit
[14:03:27] <crutchy> stupid brain
[14:04:17] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: did you say there were 3?
[14:04:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'a 4chan thing
[14:04:19] <crutchy> not that i think it was arti, but arti's a pro dev too
[14:04:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, botfap and two apprentices apparently
[14:04:42] <mrcoolbp> arti does some design stuff to
[14:05:03] <paulej72> OK I have some real work to get done.
[14:05:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy
[14:05:33] <crutchy> happy tuesdays
[14:07:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> think ima declare success for the day and do other stuff as well.
[14:10:10] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: 2 seconds?
[14:10:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure sure, was just gonna play some vid games.
[14:11:23] <mrcoolbp> I have a user that says the "Daily Newsletter" has "quotes (") and apostrophes (') are not being rendered correctly" (symbol is a "â")
[14:11:59] <mrcoolbp> no idea, they look fine to me, but I stopped receiving them on 8/29
[14:12:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, known issue that I haven't had time to futz with.
[14:12:12] <mrcoolbp> cool, I'll let him know, is there an issue?
[14:12:16] <mrcoolbp> (on git)
[14:12:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah somewheres i think. if not it's definitely on my todo list.
[14:12:56] <mrcoolbp> copy that. Thanks.
[14:13:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh no, that was atom feed that had an issue. i should write one up for email.
[14:14:07] <mrcoolbp> if it's related you could ref the other issue
[14:14:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://github.com
[14:14:44] <monopoly> ^ 03email digest encoding fookered · Issue #339 · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
[14:14:47] <crutchy> can't see anything similar
[14:15:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, it's similar to the atom issue though not really related.
[14:15:39] <mrcoolbp> TMB, that looks like the right issue
[14:15:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> is, i just wrote it =P
[14:15:52] <mrcoolbp> hehe
[14:17:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> i should be around most of the day if you need me. just not working until the afternoon or tomorrow unless someone needs something.
[14:17:15] <mrcoolbp> nah, I'm off to work in a few
[14:17:20] <mrcoolbp> catch ya later.
[14:18:12] <crutchy> haf fun
[14:19:14] <mrcoolbp> o i will
[15:21:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ballmer to Team: No More Racism, Sexism, iPads - http://sylnt.us - Which-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other?
[15:42:48] <chromas> was sure I'd seen botfap somewhere but postgres says I'm wrong
[15:48:41] * chromas gives SirFinkus a heterodyne
[15:48:53] <SirFinkus> thanks chromas
[15:49:06] <chromas> not it either?
[15:49:16] <SirFinkus> naw
[15:49:23] <SirFinkus> I've given it up
[15:49:36] <chromas> well at least I got it back in your head >:)
[15:54:59] <SirFinkus> oh god, I think it was fourier transforms
[15:55:12] <SirFinkus> I did very poor job of explaining it lol
[15:58:22] <chromas> aha!
[15:58:44] <SirFinkus> yep, even found the article
[15:58:57] <SirFinkus> http://nautil.us
[16:01:06] <AndyTheAbsurd> "You have used this resource too much; please try again later." Guess I gotta go buy a subscription now. :-)
[16:02:26] <chromas> private mode is handy for that
[16:02:52] <chromas> when you reach maximum articles, throw away the private session and go again
[16:04:15] * chromas notes that we're exactly one month away from slutty bunnies and witches in chilly weather
[16:05:24] <chromas> college_towns++ # good for something at least
[16:05:24] <Bender> karma - college_towns: 1
[16:06:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> awwww only paypal? why can't I pay SN in bitcoins? [don't worry only joking. but I would like to use a card that I will NOT allow PayPal to even know about...]
[16:19:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> AndyTheAbsurd, bitcoins be ready for the 14.10 release. Just tested on dev today.
[16:20:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> As for other CC processing, someone other than me can write that. I'm not down with all the legal requirements to process and store CC info.
[16:20:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> neat. I was joking (because I think bitcoins are the among the worst currency types ever invented) but I bet you'll get a lot of international subscribers that way.
[16:20:58] <chromas> When can we start laundering money?
[16:21:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> TheMightyBuzzard: Oh, don't do that stuff yourself - just use stripe.com's APIs for it.
[16:21:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> Have to do it through someone else. Could only launder subscriptions through us.
[16:21:50] * chromas considers subscribing for 10k years
[16:22:10] * AndyTheAbsurd works for a credit card issuer now and spent a decade working for an acquiring bank
[16:23:19] <chromas> could also add google checkout
[16:23:25] <chromas> and whatever apple has, but only ironically
[16:23:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> AndyTheAbsurd, will keep that in mind but i've written two billing systems in a row n could use a change of pace for a bit.
[16:24:08] * chromas readies the whip
[16:24:41] <chromas> ooh, tmb.api
[16:25:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't think i can get away with spending time on that yet. maybe when we get our new devs.
[16:26:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'd offer to work on it but it's in Perl, isn't it? I only know a little Perl (and what I know of it hasn't caused me to like it).
[16:26:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> likely would be, yeah.
[16:27:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> would have to write a whole lot extra if you used any other language.
[16:33:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> huh...completed my subscription successfully, but still getting the "you have used this resource too much" message.
[16:33:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> for which what?
[16:34:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh wait, reskeys time out after four hours right now. you'll still have the old one until then most likely.
[16:35:09] <AndyTheAbsurd> okay...I will wait a bit (and maybe someone will save me the trouble of submitting this particular story)
[16:35:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> how many stories have you submitted in the past four hours anyway?
[16:36:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> ummm....[counts]....six.
[16:38:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's why. it's currently set to five per four hours or one every five minutes
[16:38:28] <Landon> zero!
[16:38:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> hopefully i can find pj and have him bump that number up though
[17:12:59] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 needs to be added to the emails
[17:13:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> should already be, apparently it's not getting set in the template
[17:13:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, any chance you could change.... oh wtf was that setting...
[17:13:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> hang on, let me look it up real quick
[17:14:48] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I can change it but it would require a restart of slash to fully catch
[17:15:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> ah, yeah
[17:15:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> might be worth it, temporary fix to our good subers not being able to submit more than a handfull of stories.
[17:18:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> update reskey_vars set duration_max-uses = 10 where rkrid = 6; should do it. it's currently set to 5.
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[17:21:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> I'll make sure it gets set to a proper number when I get a pull request for a proper fix in tomorrow
[17:23:05] <paulej72> done
[17:23:39] <paulej72> update reskey_vars set value=10 where rkrid = 6 and name='duration_max-uses';
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[17:24:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> that'll currently let them hit ten every four hours. should be enough to stop spam bombardment and still let folks submit heavily.
[17:25:11] <Cyprus> site 503ing?
[17:25:22] <paulej72> yes i restared slash
[17:25:26] <Cyprus> kk
[17:25:30] <paulej72> should clear on refresh
[17:26:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> AndyTheAbsurd, submit away you wild man you.
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[17:31:18] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: do you remember where the email subs are?
[17:31:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> not off hand. part of slashd though.
[17:31:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> check in the tasks folder then find where that is in the source tree.
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[17:32:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> You looking to fix the bad encoding on them?
[17:33:00] <paulej72> found it. Slash/Utility/System
[17:33:05] <paulej72> si
[17:33:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> excellent
[17:34:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> i may pick something after lunch and have a look at it. likely that reskey mess for subs though.
[17:35:06] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: https://github.com
[17:35:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like it should be correct
[17:36:19] <paulej72> $constants->{mail_charset_body}
[17:36:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i think that's set correctly
[17:36:54] <paulej72> which is not set in vars
[17:37:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i'll be danged. gotta be that then
[17:37:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> could have sworn there was one in there for that. maybe named wrong.
[17:38:30] <paulej72> if ($constants->{utf8}) {
[17:38:31] <paulej72> $content = encode($b_code, $content, Encode::FB_PERLQQ);
[17:38:32] <paulej72> $subject = encode($h_code, $subject, Encode::FB_PERLQQ);
[17:38:32] <paulej72> }
[17:39:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i don't really know what the Encode::FB_PERLQ means. I'd have to look it up.
[17:39:47] <paulej72> this is old code and is encoding the encoded utf8 strings. I think we can skip this step.
[17:40:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> true nuff. content should already be encoded properly for whatever charset
[17:41:00] <paulej72> we only did stuff for urf8 encoding on inputs not on outputs if I remember correctly
[17:41:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> well everything of OURS is already going to be encoded to utf8, so no need to encode() it again.
[17:42:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyone using ascii won't have utf-8 set and shouldn't NEED to encode.
[17:42:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> so yeah, that can go away.
[17:55:11] <paulej72> crap it looks like it does need to be encoded as text email is acsii only.
[17:55:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> well hrm...
[17:55:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> this could require some googling
[17:56:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> those encodes are going about it wrong though. you can't encode to ascii from unicode any way other than html encoding.
[17:56:20] <paulej72> subject definitly needs encoding as it is part of the header and is ascii only. body might be OK
[17:56:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[17:56:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> hang tight, i got that in my brain handy
[17:57:47] <paulej72> the encode does this properly with ethe MIME-Header setting, I think the Encode::FB_PERLQQ is getting in the way
[17:58:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> it is
[18:01:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> you need to make a temp subject var and in a foreach(split(//, $subject))check the ord of $_ and .= either the char or "&#".ord($_).";" to the temp subject
[18:02:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> depending on whether the ord is > 127 i think it is, or not
[18:02:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> check the encode_high_bits sub in Data.pm for the proper value
[18:02:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> if it's still there.
[18:03:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> best we can really do for encoding in email subjects
[18:03:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> might render correctly in webmail at least.
[18:09:58] <paulej72> http://www.perlmonks.org
[18:10:00] <monopoly> ^ 03Sending a UTF-8 (Unicode) E-mail
[18:16:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> handy to know. you got it then?
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[19:12:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> heya again
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[19:13:38] <botfap> hey mighty, ive just pm'd paulej, be alive in 30 mins, fixing an esxi problem
[19:14:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, he should be around now
[19:25:12] <botfap> whats a good modern irc client? xwin with basic scripting support
[19:25:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> hexchat mostly
[19:25:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's one of the few that is still actively developed
[19:25:41] <botfap> that the xchat fork?
[19:25:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[19:26:03] <botfap> ok ty
[20:03:31] <_NSAKEY> irssi is still the best client.
[20:04:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> feh
[20:12:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> nap time
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[20:23:11] <Landon> irssi is on github now!
[20:23:17] <Landon> hopefully dev speeds up
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[20:45:16] <cykros> so, i figured it out. Patrick Volkerding is Obi Wan Kenobi. Torvalds, formerly Anakin Skywalker, has become Darth Vader, giving tacit approval of the actions of the Imperial Forces (all of the systemd based distros) acting under the orders of Imperial government (Redhat) which in turn is subservient to Emperor Palpatine (Potteridge)
[20:46:14] <cykros> the linux distro world used to be relatively civil, if not entirely devoid of disagreement, but this power seizure now has placed a former defender of the republic into a leading role in rebelling against the empire it has become.
[20:46:50] * cykros really needs to refine this analogy into something worthy of memehood.
[20:47:47] <cykros> I think if anyone is worthy of being Vader, it's gotta be Linus anyway. great power, accomplished so much as an agent of the light side of the force, but his affinity for monoliths has turned him dark
[20:49:17] <JamesNZ> You should totally make a fan-fiction story out of that.
[20:55:45] <crutchy> doesn't torvalds use xfce?
[20:57:07] <paulej72> crutchy: why would he need xfce, he just drops into single user mode and does everything from there
[20:57:54] <crutchy> i read it somewhere ages ago. cant remember where though :/
[21:04:18] <crutchy> i'm pretty sure he doesn't really give a rats about systemd. he might have vented about it and blasted its devs for being morons, but he seems pretty apathetic about stuff. i guess when you're free and able to mold stuff to your liking everything else prolly becomes just politics
[21:05:04] <crutchy> he doesn't seem to let too much get to him, which is admirable. otherwise people would use it against him
[21:05:42] <paulej72> if it is on top of the kernal Linus doesn’t care about it.
[21:05:57] <crutchy> nod
[21:06:09] <paulej72> in ther kernal that is a differnt story
[21:06:39] <paulej72> before uid 1 is the kernal
[21:07:00] <paulej72> pid i mean
[21:07:10] <crutchy> there was the 'fuck you nvidia' but thats all ive really seen. the kernel is his domain i spose. he is emperor palpatine in that scenario
[21:08:14] <paulej72> ok time to go home and make dinner
[21:08:33] <crutchy> he prolly just thinks of the systemd nutbags as just stormtroopers playing tough
[21:08:55] <Lagg> crutchy: You say it as if linus has authority on everything, he's a merge master in the upstream kernel but if the subsystem maintainers don't like what he's doing it's a mere matter of a fork.
[21:08:57] <crutchy> k. yeah i gotta get ready for workipoos :(
[21:09:20] <crutchy> who's gunna fork the kernel though?
[21:09:21] <Lagg> So it's less molding everything and more having the right by virtue of being the original author to be the final merge master
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[21:09:45] <Lagg> Likely one of the maintainers most experienced after linus
[21:09:50] <crutchy> there are kernel forks, but torvalds is still god
[21:10:03] <Blackmoore> on hour 6 of 12 hour work day.. need coffee badly..
[21:10:07] <crutchy> android had a kernel fork but i think they went back
[21:10:15] <crutchy> was too hard to maintain
[21:10:20] <Lagg> That's why people need to give the "what if project founder X dies?!" stuff a rest. Every significantly popular project will always have another guy below the lat one
[21:11:16] <Lagg> Not below in competence necessarily, just below in terms of years in the project. It would also be the same guy who heads a fork if him and other maintainers don't agree with linus. Don't underestimate the ego and stubborness of hackers
[21:11:29] <crutchy> when linux dies, systemd might end up in the kernel. dunno (don't really care much either tbh) but might be interesting to see the political moves then
[21:11:45] <crutchy> *linus dies
[21:12:31] <crutchy> if the kernel goes to shit there will be forks
[21:12:39] <Lagg> Not likely, even if that wasn't technically stupid of a thing to say (don't let politics get in the way of technical discourse) it's still not going to happen because the maintainers have mostly the same mindset linus does
[21:12:46] <crutchy> same as there is already a fork of systemd
[21:13:23] <crutchy> yeah i guess or he wouldn't put up with / hang around them :p
[21:13:28] <Lagg> There's a fork of systemd because instead of trying to work with the maintainers and show them that people aren't all coddled little bitches they chose to be coddled little bitches and make a whiny website. Not the same situation.
[21:14:25] <crutchy> there does seem to be a lot of whining about systemd. i'm not even sure what's true and what's bs yet. seems to be a lot of fud
[21:14:47] <crutchy> anyway ttyl
[21:14:48] <Lagg> or better yet telling the maintainers that still care that they'd happily replace the morons that are steadily ruining the good things in systemd
[21:14:55] <Lagg> o/
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[22:47:29] * n1 yawn
[22:47:50] <JamesNZ> Yeah! Let's find another one to ruin!
[22:48:42] <n1> the things is too, we'll have even less ethical concern for destroying a 'foreign' planet.
[22:54:07] <Blackmoore> can we move the 1% onto Neptune? we can promise them that they will live ontop of Diamonds..
[22:55:52] <n1> Blackmoore; i think we need to convince the 1% that the rest of the universe needs their leadership and that can only be done from somewhere like neptune
[22:56:09] <n1> let the govern the rest of the universe and we might be able to fix things
[23:01:09] <paulej72> iduno
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[23:02:31] <paulej72> actually some greenhouse warming of Mars would be a good thing
[23:03:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think it's got enough CO2 though
[23:03:51] <paulej72> need get some more from Venus and give the algie something to work on :)
[23:09:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, two hours.
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[23:28:58] <chromas> http://www.npr.org
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[23:42:29] <botfap> hi all, is the DevelopmentVMHowto still current?
[23:42:30] <ciri> hey whats up botfap
[23:43:52] <paulej72> botfap: no not really. I am updating my VM so I can put it up on GItHub. I’ll update the the docs at the same time
[23:46:09] <paulej72> botfap: the bigest issue is that the db requies a bunch of schema and data updates to make it work with the newest codebase.
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[23:49:22] <botfap> hey ciri :) not much, just being nosey
[23:49:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> could just include and reconfig a db dump from dev
[23:50:02] <botfap> hi paulej, is it worth me starting with the old version or better waiting for an update?
[23:50:03] <ciri> hello botfap
[23:51:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> ciri's an annoying bot by the way
[23:53:42] <botfap> im gonna run the vm a little differently, i dont use virtualbox, but i have a xeon e5 vmhost with citrix xenserver for dev box
[23:53:49] <botfap> lool ok
[23:53:50] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: not going to use a dev dump. that vm is available to all and we don’t wnat the db dat going out
[23:54:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[23:54:29] <paulej72> I should have the new vm up by the end of the week if not sooner.
[23:54:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> however works for you, botfap. I've got mine set up world+dog accessible which isn't standard.
[23:57:02] <botfap> ill set up on the old 14.02 version for now so i can start to understand