#Soylent | Logs for 2014-09-29

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[00:00:41] <juggs> ha! that'd be annoying for sure. Strobe effect gaming
[00:17:23] <chromas> linux++
[00:17:23] <Bender> karma - linux: 7
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[00:23:55] <arti> linux++
[00:23:55] <Bender> karma - linux: 8
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[00:35:31] * SpallsHurgenson plays idTech1 games for the nostalgic pleasure
[00:43:34] <SpallsHurgenson> I love how fast the levels load :)
[00:46:16] <chromas> I remember there was a fisheye lens mod for Quake something. I wish that had taken off in other games
[00:46:32] <arti> just setting the fov
[00:47:06] <chromas> It gave the appearance of a spheric lens
[00:47:07] <n1> SpallsHurgenson, i'd be pretty worried if they didn't load fast on any reasonably modern pc!
[00:47:51] <arti> seta cg_fov :D
[00:47:57] * arti looks for said mod
[00:48:07] <arti> http://strlen.com
[00:48:08] <monopoly> ^ 03Fisheye Quake
[00:49:00] <SpallsHurgenson> I remember playing Hexen and hating the hub-level design because of all the frequent level loads... now, if it wasnt' for the screen-wipe effect, I wouldn't even notice it :)
[00:50:05] <chromas> arti++
[00:50:05] <Bender> karma - arti: 61
[00:53:04] <SpallsHurgenson> and brutaldoom is so over-the-top-horrible it's wonderful
[01:07:05] <silverly> goddamn suddenly i get that feeling where i have no fucking idea what i want to do with my life.
[01:07:35] <n1> enjoy it
[01:11:43] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, eventually comes that sinking feeling when you know, "oh shit, so THIS is what I'm going to do with my life..."
[01:12:22] <silverly> lol
[01:12:22] <ciri> hahaha
[01:12:25] <n1> SpallsHurgenson, indeed.
[01:12:28] <juggs> agreed - better not to know :D Unless you have a burning passion to do a particular thing
[01:13:05] <silverly> i wanna do AI stuff but its all research, but i have no idea where to start looking for a job
[01:13:09] <silverly> so its all good funtimes
[01:13:12] <SpallsHurgenson> I still believe that - given enough effort - I can be Batman, though :)
[01:13:27] <silverly> and money? and the car?
[01:14:55] <juggs> If it's all research, then it's mostly going to be academic to start with at least. Do you have a somewhat related degree?
[01:21:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Being Struck by Lightening can Alter Body's Circuitry - http://sylnt.us - what-happens-if-it-strikes-twice
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[01:23:18] <silverly> i have a degree in computer science
[01:23:44] <silverly> rubbish marks but
[01:24:43] * chromas is struck by darkening
[01:25:22] <juggs> indeed chromas - I have flagged it up in #editorial
[01:25:38] <chromas> saw right after I sent :)
[01:26:07] <juggs> ahh yeh - forget you're in every channel :D
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[01:26:39] <chromas> I s'pose I could leave most and just tail the robot log
[01:28:28] <juggs> yeh - in a matrix-y green on black no line break format! Be l33t!!11!
[01:31:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Being Struck by Lightning can Alter Body's Circuitry - http://sylnt.us - what-happens-if-it-strikes-twice
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[01:32:34] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v Bytram|away] by juggler
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[01:46:40] <Bytram> paulej72++
[01:46:41] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 73
[01:47:41] <juggs> n1++
[01:47:41] <Bender> karma - n1: 5
[01:51:08] <Bytram> n1++
[01:51:08] <Bender> karma - n1: 6
[01:51:12] <Bytram> juggs++
[01:51:12] <Bender> karma - juggs: 21
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[01:54:04] <Ethanol-fueled> 'sup
[01:54:09] <Ethanol-fueled> coffee++
[01:54:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 852
[01:54:15] <Ethanol-fueled> study--
[01:54:15] <Bender> karma - study: -1
[01:54:45] <chromas> $++
[01:54:49] <chromas> ($)++
[01:54:49] <Bender> karma - ($): 1
[01:54:59] <chromas> oh wait, the parentheses make it negative
[01:55:31] <Ethanol-fueled> (coffee)++
[01:55:31] <Bender> karma - (coffee): 1
[01:55:46] <Ethanol-fueled> (coffee--)++
[01:55:46] <Bender> karma - (coffee--): 1
[01:56:01] <Ethanol-fueled> study just got real.
[01:56:16] <Ethanol-fueled> in case any of you were breathing a sigh of relief that I haven't been posting much lately.
[01:56:20] <Bytram> (coffee--)--
[01:56:20] <Bender> karma - (coffee--): 0
[01:56:24] <Bytram> (coffee--)--
[01:56:24] <Bender> karma - (coffee--): -1
[01:56:25] <Ethanol-fueled> Stressed the hell out.
[01:56:32] <Ethanol-fueled> crumbling under my workload.
[01:56:39] <Bytram> whacha studying?
[01:57:25] <Ethanol-fueled> Computer science circle-jerk seminar -- lotta writing :(, calc II, American political science.
[01:57:35] <Ethanol-fueled> Plus gotta work overtime to afford my tuition for Cal State
[01:57:55] <Ethanol-fueled> Gonna take multimedia programming with python in the middle of the semester.
[01:58:11] <Ethanol-fueled> It's accelerated, so the circle-jerk seminar is a 4-unit class done in half a semester.
[01:58:42] <Bytram> calc II? My condolences. Yet, I made it through calc I, II, III, Adv Calc, and Calc over the complex number plane. And I was still in the undergrad courses. that's why I got into computers!
[01:58:43] <Ethanol-fueled> I miss SN but don't have the brainpower left over for anything except one-liners and other shitposts :(
[01:59:13] <Ethanol-fueled> Bytram, you're just a smart guy. I'm a dumbass, and a dumbass who hates studying things he wil never use.
[01:59:41] <Bytram> Ethanol-fueled: that's quite the load. I've found rekindling my sense of curiousity makes it easier to learn things; there's someplace prepared to put the new stuff
[02:00:02] <Bytram> Ethanol-fueled: I'm smart enough to know I'm not that smart.
[02:00:21] <Ethanol-fueled> You sound like my physicist coworker who laughed at my pitiful calc II with his reply: "I took 9 calculus courses"
[02:00:33] <Bytram> and except for college, I've never directly used any of that calc at my jobs.
[02:01:02] <Ethanol-fueled> see, bytram? A person who works at the UCSD supercomputer center told me the most complicated math he uses while programming is arithmetic.
[02:01:03] <paulej72> was it the same one 9 times
[02:01:20] <Ethanol-fueled> Haha pauley
[02:01:27] <Bytram> I was fine until they went all non-determinstic on me... whaddaya mean I gotta *guess* which form to apply in order to make the transformation?
[02:02:08] <paulej72> that sound like partial differential equations
[02:02:29] <Bytram> OTOH, having that background, I have an intuition as to what they are talking about when I read somethjing wityh advanced math in it that I'd not have had otherwise
[02:03:27] <Bytram> also, it served to instill new symbol systems, abstractions, and the means to manipulate them -- made my brain "grow", if you know what I mean.
[02:03:32] <Ethanol-fueled> I assume you two did a lot of math. Were either of you crazy enough to enjoy the math as you were learning it?
[02:04:01] <Bytram> paulej72: well, it started with calc, but continued on with PDE's
[02:04:13] <Bytram> I *really* struggled with those!
[02:04:30] * Ethanol-fueled is struggling with linear first-order DE's
[02:04:35] <Ethanol-fueled> Bahaha.
[02:04:46] <Bytram> OUCH. \
[02:05:24] <Ethanol-fueled> PDE's sound worse than a kick in the pants.
[02:05:37] <paulej72> yes they are
[02:05:41] <Leebert> I've found that I've used quite a bit of my undergraduate studies recently... helping a kid who is studying the same stuff.
[02:05:50] <Bytram> Ethanol-fueled: yuppers on that one
[02:05:52] <paulej72> better to solve them numerically
[02:06:01] <Ethanol-fueled> Don't they just let you use matlab in PDE class?
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[02:06:13] <Leebert> That's about all the value of my degree. That, and letting my company bill more money to the government than if I didn't have a degree
[02:06:21] <Bytram> paulej72: yes, and no. If I don't understand what is supposed to happen, then I can't tell when the numerical solution is "off"
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[02:07:57] <paulej72> luckily i ditched all of that to work on computers
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[02:09:43] <Virindi> Is this network some kind of secret or something, it was crazy difficult for me to find it :)
[02:09:58] <Ethanol-fueled> Virindi - google soylent news IRC.
[02:10:00] <Ethanol-fueled> Ta-DA
[02:10:13] <Virindi> all the stuff on the site says irc.soylentnews.org
[02:10:16] <Ethanol-fueled> This is one of those things that makes SN awesome.
[02:10:20] <chromas> It's where we make backroom deals for paid articles
[02:10:35] <chromas> irc.soylentnews.org should work too
[02:10:52] <Ethanol-fueled> chromas - I saw that recent journal "why I switched to Apple" that sounded a lot like a paid ad.
[02:10:54] <Virindi> irc.soylentnews.org:6697 did not work for me, it just drops the connection immediately.
[02:11:10] <chromas> That's weird; I'm on it now
[02:11:16] <Virindi> 6667 timed out
[02:11:25] <juggs> Virindi, odd. One sec let me check.
[02:11:43] <chromas> I know someone else was having trouble staying connected, though he could at least get on
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[02:12:12] <Virindi> finally I tried the web one and it worked so I looked at what that used
[02:12:16] <Virindi> anyway
[02:12:37] <Ethanol-fueled> Now this is a paid SN ad:
[02:12:38] <Ethanol-fueled> http://soylentnews.org
[02:12:39] <monopoly> ^ 03Journal of skater (4342)
[02:13:03] <Virindi> I went looking for this because the front page has a donation progress bar, but I was not able to find any way to do a direct donation...I don't want to buy junk, just send $20 or whatever
[02:13:19] <Ethanol-fueled> And McGrew is obviously trying to sell his books, but that doesn't bug me. He's been a regular here and at the other site.
[02:13:22] <chromas> You can subscribe
[02:14:14] <Virindi> so there's no way to directly donate other than that? seems to me that the site is missing out on some donations that would come by just having a donation button there
[02:14:19] <Ethanol-fueled> And when you subscribe you get a star, and it makes you invincible like in Super Mario Brothers.
[02:14:33] <juggs> Virindi - did you a. select the option to use SSL when connecting to irc.soylentnews.org:6697 b. select the option to allow invalid SSL certs (as it is phrased by XChat / Hexchat) ?? We're using a self-signed cert for irc at the moment and some clients refuse to connect unless overridden.
[02:14:34] <Ethanol-fueled> Nobody can mod you down, and it plays exciting background music.
[02:15:08] <Virindi> oh, it may be a cert problem then, not sure why I couldn't connect to 6667 though.
[02:15:30] <Virindi> but what if I want to donate more than $20 a year!
[02:15:33] <Virindi> :D
[02:16:01] <chromas> Speaking of that journal entry, for me, it lacks line breaks when I click comments
[02:16:19] <Virindi> I've been using the site from the start and trying to get people I know who use /. to switch, I'd hate to see it go offline due to lack of support
[02:17:34] <Ethanol-fueled> Virindi, It's amazing that people still hang out at Slashdot. It's such a wasteland now.
[02:17:44] <Ethanol-fueled> SN will crush them like a roach.
[02:17:58] <Bytram> Virindi: create another account and subscribe it... lather, rinse, repeat?
[02:18:11] <Virindi> it's great if you like an endless supply of stories like, "5 amazing facts that will shock you"
[02:18:12] <chromas> paid sockpuppets :)
[02:18:48] <Virindi> followed by slashvertisements and a couple 2 line 'stories' from osnews
[02:18:57] * chromas hasn't been to /. in a while; sounds like the content is becoming as huffpost/buzzfeed-y as the layout
[02:19:35] <Virindi> or phoronix, favorite news source.
[02:19:58] <Bytram> Ethanol-fueled: I haven't been there in prolly a couple months now; nd even then, it was only to see how they handled a particular part of the slash UI
[02:20:15] <Bytram> !uid
[02:20:15] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4757, owned by Rosco P. Coltrane
[02:20:44] <Virindi> the real reason we need to get people using SN is so that our "low IDs" will be more impressive.
[02:20:47] <Virindi> clearly.
[02:21:25] <Bytram> we're approaching comment # 99,999
[02:21:38] <chromas> I'm still awaiting a negative uid
[02:21:51] <Bytram> and, we have an editor who has published 999 stories.
[02:22:10] * Bytram has only 210
[02:22:15] <n1> janrinok is a legend
[02:22:26] <Bytram> n1: that's for sure!
[02:22:31] <chromas> needs a ^2 plaque when he hits 1024
[02:22:34] <Bytram> real nice guy to chat with, too.
[02:22:53] <Bytram> I've learned a lot hanging around with the folks here.
[02:23:05] <n1> we're all insane.
[02:23:14] <chromas> So you see, beta was a good thing
[02:23:29] <paulej72> i did delete 5k spam comments so that 100k is 5% off of the real count
[02:23:30] <chromas> beta++ # for bringing us together
[02:23:30] <Bender> karma - beta: -17
[02:23:50] <Virindi> now if only we can get rid of that AC who is posting "systemd sux" in every article.
[02:24:09] <Ethanol-fueled> jan Rinok is a cool dude.
[02:24:13] <Bytram> paulej72: DId the comment ID reset to fill in the gaps? or is it monotonically increasing and never backfills?
[02:24:28] <paulej72> never backfills
[02:25:14] <Bytram> okay, so there are comment-ids that, umm, go nowhere?
[02:25:48] <Bytram> btw, looks like the bach bug is still in play? http://www.securityfocus.com
[02:25:50] <monopoly> ^ 03GNU Bash CVE-2014-6271 Remote Code Execution Vulnerability
[02:26:07] <paulej72> yep. error page, but they are no longer linked from anywhere
[02:26:14] <Bytram> paulej72: ^^^ has anyone checked our systems here?
[02:26:20] <Bytram> got it. nice!
[02:26:35] <paulej72> i patched three times so far
[02:26:40] <Bytram> paulej72++
[02:26:40] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 74
[02:26:41] <Bytram> paulej72++
[02:26:41] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 75
[02:26:41] <Bytram> paulej72++
[02:26:41] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 76
[02:26:55] <Bytram> THANK-YOU!
[02:27:23] <Bytram> I figured someone was staying on top of things, but it's nice to *know*.
[02:28:10] <Bytram> afk; back in a few minutes
[02:29:19] <Konomi> Bytram: no that's the old one
[02:29:23] <Virindi> bah, just checked and there is yet another bash I didn't get on wheezy
[02:29:36] <Konomi> a='() { :;}; echo CVE-2014-6271 FAIL' b='() { (a)=>\' bash -c '/dev/stdout echo CVE-2014-7169 FAIL||echo CVE-2014-7169 OK;a||echo CVE-2014-6271 OK' 2>/dev/null
[02:29:44] <Konomi> all in one bash vuln' check
[02:30:07] * chromas suspects that Konomi actually developped that test
[02:30:16] <Konomi> nope someone else did
[02:30:26] <Konomi> in fact they pasted it as I was working on a similar version lol
[02:30:50] <chromas> Konomi++ # anyhow
[02:30:50] <Bender> karma - konomi: 21
[02:31:13] <Virindi> has there been a more serious fix now, or is it still just a bunch of haxy stuff?
[02:31:53] <Konomi> there has been a solid fix
[02:32:07] <Konomi> in the future if you want the beahaviour the bug caused you need to use a specific variable name space
[02:32:13] <Konomi> BASH_FUNC_*
[02:32:18] <Virindi> good to know
[02:34:00] <Bytram> Konomi: thanks for the info
[02:34:21] <Bytram> I had an idea and was wondering if it would have worked...
[02:35:14] <Bytram> symlink bash to a wrapper function that 1.) examines all environment vars and "cleans" malformed functions. 2) THEN invokes bash.
[02:35:22] <Bytram> would that solve the problem?
[02:35:38] <Konomi> people dicussed that and it was too hard to do
[02:35:59] <Bytram> yeah, I figured the devil was in the details. otherwise I'd have heard of it.
[02:36:00] <Konomi> don't recall the exact reason
[02:36:11] <Konomi> red hat had some sort of wrapper too for mitigation early on
[02:36:24] <Bytram> kewel!
[02:36:31] <Konomi> https://access.redhat.com
[02:36:33] <monopoly> ^ 03Bash Code Injection Vulnerability via Specially Crafted Environment Variables (CVE-2014-6271, CVE-2014-7169) - Red Ha...
[02:36:49] <Virindi> alrighty friend's account and my account are both 'subscribed' now ;)
[02:37:01] <Konomi> guess they got rid of the wrapper after the full patch came
[02:37:07] <Bytram> nice to know that I independently came up with a concept that smarter minds than mine came up with.
[02:37:09] <Bytram> !uid
[02:37:09] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4757, owned by Rosco P. Coltrane
[02:37:20] <Bytram> Virindi: are you roscoe?
[02:37:23] <Virindi> no
[02:37:26] <Virindi> I am virindi.
[02:37:31] <Bytram> huh. me neither! =)
[02:37:35] <Virindi> 3484.
[02:37:53] <Konomi> I think that is broken unless someone fixed it
[02:37:57] <Konomi> the uid command taht is
[02:38:08] <Bytram> yep. happens periodically.
[02:38:16] * Bytram goes to try something.
[02:38:17] <Bytram> brb
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[02:40:21] <Bytram> http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:22] <monopoly> ^ 03SoylentNews Friend/Foe System
[02:40:25] <Bytram> http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:25] <monopoly> ^ 03SoylentNews Friend/Foe System
[02:40:54] <Bytram> http://soylentnews.org
[02:40:54] <monopoly> ^ 03SoylentNews Friend/Foe System
[02:41:14] <Bytram> need to be a logged-in user to see nick assigned to a UID
[02:41:17] <Bytram> brb
[02:41:18] <ciri> me too, smoke time! Bytram
[02:42:13] <paulej72> just double checked a couple of our server and they are still upto date on the bash front.
[02:42:24] <Virindi> there still needs to be a paypal donate button below the progress bar though :P
[02:42:42] <Bytram> paulej72: thanks for checking!
[02:42:47] <Bytram> paulej72++
[02:42:47] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 77
[02:42:49] <paulej72> we can’t accept donations. too much paperwork
[02:43:06] <paulej72> we can sell subscriptions though
[02:43:26] <Bytram> Virindi: would require us regeistering in every single state in the USA in which we accepted doantions, never mind internationally.
[02:43:33] <chromas> AC needs a subscription
[02:43:39] <paulej72> lol
[02:43:40] <ciri> hehehe
[02:43:44] <Virindi> sigh
[02:44:08] <Ethanol-fueled> There is a lot of hate for ACs here compared to the other site.
[02:44:11] <Bytram> paulej72: maybe we could auction off a subscription for AC to the highest bidder?
[02:44:28] <Bytram> just for the LOLs and bragging rights?
[02:44:44] <Ethanol-fueled> Bytram, but if we knew who they were, they wouldn't be anonymous no mo'
[02:44:45] <paulej72> NCommander plans to auction off uid3
[02:44:48] <Virindi> let me pay any amount for a subscription?
[02:44:57] <Virindi> any amount over $20.
[02:45:08] <Bytram> we'd send a nice framed certificate acknowedging our thanks for their keeping the AC acct available for the rest of the year?
[02:46:01] <paulej72> Virindi: we may do that in the near future, offer a bonus sub that allows the user to select the amount.
[02:46:43] <Virindi> or just let me buy subscription for any length of time I want
[02:47:00] <Virindi> so if I wanted to put in an extra $100, I could tack on 5 years to my subscription
[02:47:20] <Bytram> Virindi: you can keep buying subs and extend your sub 1 year each time, IIRC.
[02:48:21] <Virindi> hmm, okay
[02:48:52] <Bytram> Virindi: I've not tried it, personally, but that is my recollection of the interface and of the implementation.
[02:49:01] <chromas> samsung-- # for hipster voiceovers
[02:49:01] <Bender> karma - samsung: -2
[02:49:07] <Virindi> the 'purchase' option is still there now that I am subscribed so
[02:49:52] <Bytram> !uid
[02:49:52] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4757, owned by Rosco P. Coltrane
[02:50:23] <paulej72> Bytram is correct, you can keep adding years on. I had something upto 2024 on the dev server during testing
[02:51:10] <Virindi> paypal might not like that if someone went that far though, they might flag that many repeated transactions
[02:52:23] <Virindi> dunno, it just seems like there has to be a better way, but I'm not complaining, I'm certainly not volunteering to fix it soooo :)
[02:52:47] <chromas> If you have any perl friends, you could volunteer them :D
[02:52:55] <Virindi> ew god.
[02:53:52] <Bytram> I'm willing to wade in, but I need a newer box and I have use a tethered phone to get on-line which tops out at about 60 kB/sec
[02:55:44] <Virindi> is all the slashdot system perl?
[02:56:18] <Virindi> sheesh, I never noticed that, everything is .pl
[02:56:31] <Bytram> btw, I just double-checked, and the last UID *is* 4757 for nick "Rosco P. Coltrane"
[02:58:10] <paulej72> I guess I could do Enos as the next uid.
[02:58:31] <Leebert> Yes he is, chubby little buddy!
[02:58:31] <Bytram> LOL!
[02:58:59] <Bytram> so who is gonna be daisy duke?
[03:00:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Physics and Psychology of Tattoos and their Removal - http://sylnt.us - lifetime-of-regret
[03:01:54] * chromas grabs scissors and makes cutoffs
[03:04:26] <Leebert> I suppose I could be cousing Cletus.
[03:04:31] <Leebert> err, cousin
[03:05:11] * Bytram first read that as cursing Cletus
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[03:07:28] <NCommander> Evening world
[03:07:52] <NCommander> paulej72, isn't UID 3 robind?
[03:07:56] <NCommander> paulej72, UID 6 is mcasadevall, which is my dedicated dummy account, that one I was saving for when we really need money
[03:08:25] <paulej72> mis remembered. knew is was a low single digit one :)
[03:09:28] <chromas> 22
[03:14:58] <SpallsHurgenson> <phew> it's warm tonight; I'm definitely overdressed
[03:18:40] <NCommander> paulej72, the way I see it, we can auction 0, 1, and 6 for money
[03:19:03] <NCommander> And UID 2 and "NCommander" shall be passed on to the next leader. Each one becoming part of the legend
[03:19:29] <paulej72> there is no Dread Pirate NCommander
[03:20:04] <chromas> could implement a system to fake fractional uids. "All the whole numbers were retired"
[03:20:24] <NCommander> paulej72, ... you have no sense of humor
[03:21:12] <paulej72> yes I do, but I pawned it for perl books
[03:22:53] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[03:22:54] <monopoly> ^ 03Device allows completely paralysed rats to walk again - CNET ( http://www.cnet.com )
[03:25:41] <Bytram> paulej72: btw, can someone put a link in the "Site News" box about the Board Meeting on Tuesday?
[03:26:22] <paulej72> OK
[03:26:52] <Bytram> I don't think I have the privs to do that; otherwise I'd be happy to do it, myself.
[03:26:54] <SpallsHurgenson> damnit, I paralyse those rats for a reason!
[03:27:31] <Bytram> yeah, when they don't move around so much, it lessens their appetite so you can cut down on feeding expense. =)
[03:31:33] <chromas> Never seen this before the last update: in palemoon, I have some tabs pinned (with treestyle tabs) and sometimes they pop out into the page area
[03:34:31] <chromas> https://www.eff.org
[03:34:31] <monopoly> ^ 03Nine Epic Failures of Regulating Cryptography | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[03:34:47] <chromas> A little too buzzfeedish in the headline
[03:34:50] <SpallsHurgenson> I didn't even know palemoon could do treestyle tabs
[03:35:11] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[03:35:16] <chromas> it's a firefox derivative
[03:35:50] <juggs> The latest update in firefox has it actively denying connections to anything other than ports 80, 8080 and 443. Spews out some "that's not safe" guff and refuses to even try to load the page if you dare to run an httpd on anything else. ~sigh~ time to go hunting in about:config AGAIN
[03:35:57] <SpallsHurgenson> then again, I'm not entirely sure what treestyle tabs are :)
[03:36:15] <pbnjoe> a firefox addon :p
[03:36:30] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: http://www.successrabbi.com
[03:36:32] <juggs> tabs on the left SPalls - makes sense on wide screens.
[03:36:33] <pbnjoe> chromas, can you give steps to replicate the problem?
[03:37:01] <SpallsHurgenson> ah, that's what I thought (although that's a particularly ugly example)
[03:37:11] <pbnjoe> I just installed the addon to see what it looks like, I don't normally use it
[03:37:12] <chromas> pbnjoe: not really. I think it happens when I open a new tab but it's sporadic
[03:37:17] <SpallsHurgenson> didn't know palemoon did that natively
[03:37:18] <juggs> I found treestyle add-on glitchy though and junked it quite rapidly
[03:37:38] * SpallsHurgenson mucks about in options and about:config
[03:37:56] <chromas> The real problem with the extension is it makes it seem okay to have even more too-many-tabs-open
[03:37:59] <juggs> there be dragons!
[03:38:02] <pbnjoe> SpallsHurgenson, it doesn't
[03:38:14] <SpallsHurgenson> ah, then it's not a palemoon issue :)
[03:38:39] <Bytram|away> g'night all - time for me to get some shuteye.
[03:38:51] <chromas> true; I don't really know when extensions update except some open a new tab with a donate button
[03:38:56] <chromas> night Bytram|away
[03:39:05] <Bytram|away> chromas: ciao for now!
[03:39:19] <pbnjoe> night Bytram
[03:39:28] <Bytram|away> pbnjoe: g'night!
[03:40:14] * pbnjoe just opened 50 new tabs to no avail
[03:40:21] * Bytram|away finds himself remembering the ending of each episode of "The Waltons" ... G'night Jim Bob. G'night Mary Ellen. =)
[03:40:23] <chromas> night Marsha
[03:40:24] <monopoly> goodnight paw!
[03:40:29] <Bytram|away> LOL!
[03:40:39] * chromas didn't remember which show it was
[03:40:42] <Bytram|away> and with that...
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[03:41:58] <SpallsHurgenson> kitty is trying to guilt-trip me into playing with her by sitting in the corner and looking miserable
[03:42:19] <paulej72> I can’t stand the Waltons. Too pretentious.
[03:42:49] <juggs> oh she's just about to spew a fur ball on your foot SpallsHurgenson - don't be drawn in.
[03:42:52] <paulej72> SpallsHurgenson: you are not going to play with the pussy?
[03:43:39] <juggs> ~sigh~
[03:44:35] <Ethanol-fueled> Did somebody say, "pussy?"
[03:44:42] <Ethanol-fueled> *snifs around*
[03:46:00] <paulej72> Ethanol-fueled: you got some strange regexes setup to ping you
[03:46:06] * chromas offers Ethanol-fueled some regex-fortified triple entendre
[03:46:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Aww, yeah
[03:47:40] <Ethanol-fueled> speaking of, I kneed my friend in my sleep last night.
[03:47:57] <Ethanol-fueled> She's pissed at me.
[03:48:10] <Ethanol-fueled> my buns are sore from "exercise"
[03:48:14] <SpallsHurgenson> kitty pulled a bait-n-switch and tried to wheedle food out of me instead
[03:51:35] <Ethanol-fueled> Allright, homework done, fires put out.
[03:51:48] <Ethanol-fueled> Now for some rest before two full days of intensive calc II study.
[03:52:24] <Ethanol-fueled> doing babby differential equations and partial derivatives.
[03:52:48] <Ethanol-fueled> Which I will never use in my life and will likely forget as soon as the class is over.
[03:55:25] <juggs> think of it as equipping your toolbelt. Even if you never use a particular tool again, knowing how, when and why makes you better with all the other tools. Education is like that. Expand you mind from direct application of specific things and all will be well.
[03:55:43] <juggs> your*
[03:59:14] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, I know.
[04:01:08] <SpallsHurgenson> gaddurn warm weather... now the skeeters are back
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[04:07:02] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm gonna take off, try to eat and get some sleep.
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[04:22:49] <juggs> I'm not sure how much of a challenge eating is - food, mouth, chew, swallow :/
[04:23:01] * juggs is puzzled
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[05:40:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Should Fraternities be Banned? - http://sylnt.us - it's-time-to-grow-up
[05:47:51] <chromas> from the NERRRRRRRRDS!! dept
[05:51:04] <swiss> got my room down to nearly 0 light
[05:51:08] <swiss> wooo
[05:52:24] * juggs forms band Nerd Ascension.
[05:52:41] <swiss> anker 5 port usb charger, 8 amp 5 ports, no lights
[05:53:02] <swiss> mac mini, small piece of electrical tape took care of that
[05:53:03] <juggs> swiss, gotta keep the sound out too!
[05:53:24] <swiss> juggs: i need the white noise
[05:53:52] <swiss> i actually have a lot of difficulty sleeping with the window shut too
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[05:56:01] <juggs> swiss, make it your own white noise not random shit from outside. And yeh I need fresh air to sleep well too. Solution - learn to snore loudly and sleep in a cave! Bonus - cave amplifies snorage.
[05:56:34] <juggs> I think we cracked this a while back :D
[05:57:21] <swiss> lol
[05:57:21] <ciri> hehehe
[05:57:47] <swiss> i might do well with something like a hepa filter running
[05:58:03] <swiss> and something playing back white noise from outside
[05:58:12] <swiss> filtering out high decibal sounds
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[06:03:55] <juggs> normal droney background noise is fine - sleep though that any day or night - it's when some git decides to start lopping trees right with a chainsaw as you are dropping off it becomes a problem. Would be good to control the white noise in the room and preclude all anomaly.
[06:05:10] <juggs> I guess I'd be happier in less densely populated places now I'm getting grouchier lol
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[06:09:34] <juggs> David Attenborough voice.. "Like the ageing bear we see juggs move to less well populated regions, finding sustenance along the way... one could almost attribute a human aspect - the desire to snore in peace." Or some such.
[06:10:06] <juggs> Yeh - I'd not do well in a career as a comedian.
[06:11:21] <chromas> There's always room at nbc
[06:18:11] <juggs> should I care what nbc is?
[06:19:13] <chromas> It's a TV network
[06:21:23] <juggs> I knew that much.
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[07:21:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Fans Raise Cash to Help Phone Phreaker John Draper, aka Cap‘n Crunch - http://sylnt.us
[07:51:56] <crutchy> coffee++
[07:51:56] <Bender> karma - coffee: 853
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[08:29:37] <ar> coffee--
[08:29:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 852
[08:29:41] <ar> tea++
[08:29:41] <Bender> karma - tea: 58
[08:32:21] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:32:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 851
[08:32:35] <crutchy> bacon++
[08:32:35] <Bender> karma - bacon: 259
[08:32:46] <JamesNZ> coffee--
[08:32:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 850
[08:32:52] <JamesNZ> fedora++
[08:32:52] <Bender> karma - fedora: 23
[08:32:57] <crutchy> debian++
[08:32:57] <Bender> karma - debian: 27
[08:33:21] <crutchy> pascal++
[08:33:21] <Bender> karma - pascal: 29
[08:33:28] <JamesNZ> debian++
[08:33:28] <Bender> karma - debian: 28
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[08:34:53] <crutchy> dogfart++
[08:34:53] <Bender> karma - dogfart: 1
[08:54:53] <ar> coffee--
[08:54:53] <Bender> karma - coffee: 849
[08:54:55] <ar> tea++
[08:54:55] <Bender> karma - tea: 59
[08:56:33] <crutchy> coffee++
[08:56:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 850
[08:57:18] <crutchy> poutine--
[08:57:18] <Bender> karma - poutine: -357
[08:59:04] <JamesNZ> crutchy: exec needs a `gnight` command :)
[08:59:26] <crutchy> similar to g'day command?
[08:59:30] <JamesNZ> Yeah.
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[09:00:43] <crutchy> ~gnight JamesNZ
[09:00:44] <exec> * crutchy brazenly passes a bucket of boogers to JamesNZ
[09:00:58] <crutchy> ~g'night JamesNZ
[09:00:58] <exec> * crutchy pulchritudinously hurls a used franger of skittles at JamesNZ
[09:01:45] <JamesNZ> crutchy: Nice!
[09:01:57] <JamesNZ> ~gnight everyone
[09:01:57] <exec> * JamesNZ surreptitiously cracks open a spoon of Debian for everyone
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[09:10:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Siemens Reports Breakthrough in Safer Lithium-Ion Battery Technology - http://sylnt.us - highly-charged
[10:07:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:07:51] <Bender> karma - coffee: 851
[10:24:34] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:24:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 852
[10:25:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh, morning came too early today
[10:25:48] <crutchy> yeah i know that feeling
[10:26:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++ again just cause it's especially vital this mornin
[10:26:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 853
[10:26:13] <crutchy> went to work thismorning with nfi how to finish a job :/
[10:26:24] <crutchy> spent all morning with my boss trying to nut it out
[10:26:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> lookin at slashcode with ditto
[10:26:46] <crutchy> pj?
[10:27:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> just isn't making sense to me yet
[10:27:34] <crutchy> whatcha gunna be lookin at?
[10:27:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> couple issues i had open from last week
[10:28:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> jacked up atom encoding and something to do with submit.pl
[10:29:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://github.com
[10:30:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> near as i can tell it shouldn't be happening but the only way i can find to fix it is to disable checking entirely
[10:31:06] * crutchy opens github
[10:46:48] <crutchy> /plugins/ResKey/ResKey/Checks/Duration.pm is the offending source file?
[10:48:13] <crutchy> https://github.com
[10:48:36] <crutchy> this line seems to be related to the template that spits out the message in the issue
[10:48:59] <crutchy> sorry you guys prolly way ahead of me here. i'm more just a curious onlooker :p
[10:52:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly, yeah
[10:53:22] <crutchy> something to do with this value for the submit resource?
[10:53:23] <crutchy> https://github.com
[10:53:38] <crutchy> i have nfi what the data in this table actually looks like
[10:54:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, should come from $constants->{submissions_speed_limit}
[10:57:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> but submission_speed_limit is used absolutely nowhere in the code
[10:57:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, nm, typo
[10:57:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, still not used anywhere but the db
[11:00:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Update: Despite Video Evidence, Grand Jury Refuses to Indict on Ohio Walmart Killing - http://sylnt.us - justice-is-blind
[11:02:37] <crutchy> there's a few files with submit_ts
[11:04:41] <crutchy> looks like submit.pl is abstracted as a resource or something
[11:05:57] <crutchy> is there anything in the reskey tables that looks like it might be related to submit.pl?
[11:06:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> plenty but damned if i can read em. reskey shat is massively complex
[11:07:19] <crutchy> seems like its the driver of the whole plugin system
[11:07:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah it's a resource usage system. keeps one user/anon from overtaxing system resources
[11:08:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> we don't really need it at this point but we will eventually
[11:08:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> and it does cut down on submission spam
[11:09:10] <crutchy> the reskey_hourlysalt table seems like the only table that has a ts field, and the condition that triggers the issue message appearing seems to be related to 'submit_ts'
[11:09:40] <crutchy> in Duration.pm
[11:10:05] <crutchy> (in the where clause of the query)
[11:11:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> hourly salt just changes what's used to create the reskey so it can't be forged
[11:11:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> easily
[11:12:08] <crutchy> i can't find where else the 'too many uses' template is used apart from that
[11:12:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> submit_ts is the timestamp of the last submission
[11:12:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> uses unix time i think
[11:12:47] <crutchy> yeah
[11:12:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> so easy to go by seconds
[11:13:48] <crutchy> so if someone submits a story and then tries to submit another story before the required no of seconds, the 'too many uses' template is dumped?
[11:14:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> believe so, would have to test and look at what template was used
[11:15:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> thinking of just disabling it for subscribers
[11:16:21] <crutchy> the 'too many uses' template is the one that contains the message in the issue, defined in https://github.com
[11:17:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> data;reskey;default template rather but ya
[11:18:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> would be called as slashDisplay ("data", <stuff>);
[11:19:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like we're doing it via displayForm though
[11:19:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> for the blank one
[11:21:29] <crutchy> there's a few check functions in duration.pm, but doCheckUse looks logical
[11:21:58] <crutchy> calls maxUsesPerTimeframe, which has the template query
[11:23:03] <crutchy> hmm doCheckUse doesn't appear to be called anywhere in slashcode :/
[11:23:06] * TheMightyBuzzard nods
[11:23:25] <crutchy> searches for doCheckTouch calls
[11:23:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> like I said, can find fuck-all not being done right.
[11:23:57] <crutchy> doCheckTouch also calls maxUsesPerTimeframe
[11:24:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> you sure you don't wanna join dev n fix the easy ones?
[11:24:20] <crutchy> fuck doCheckTouch isn't called anywhere either...
[11:24:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> this is one of the hard ones cause i can't reproduce it and dump debug info.
[11:25:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> and anything dealing with reskeys is a bitch.
[11:25:27] <crutchy> doCheckCreate not called either (it's commented out in Key.pm
[11:27:10] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[11:28:08] <crutchy> hmm duration sub seems to be called in various places, but it only refers to the maxUsesPerTimeframe function by name (in a string). maybe they used some kind of eval hocus pocus to call it
[11:28:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, i have five uses per hour instead of the proper 12
[11:28:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> that could be the prollem
[11:30:19] <crutchy> i guess it makes sense for a plugin system
[11:30:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, some of the bits get the min timeframe by dividing uses per hour by the hour though unless i misread something
[11:31:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not for the plugin system though, it is a plugin for the entire site.
[11:32:30] <crutchy> dunno. i just follow the breadcrumbs from the message in the issue :p
[11:32:47] <crutchy> its kinda fun. oh my that is disturbing
[11:33:25] <crutchy> sagasu++
[11:33:25] <Bender> karma - sagasu: 3
[11:34:29] <crutchy> this is the line where it seems to get a bit hairy: https://github.com
[11:35:30] <crutchy> abstracts the function name as $caller
[11:35:46] * crutchy goes looking for where else that might be used
[11:36:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> that happens
[11:37:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> should see the logic in most pages. stuffing sub references in an object.
[11:38:34] <crutchy> wandered into here now https://github.com
[11:39:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> off track
[11:39:58] <crutchy> this looks interesting though... https://github.com
[11:40:12] <crutchy> "Each of these performs checks as defined for that object's resource, as listed
[11:40:12] <crutchy> in the C<reskey_resource_checks> table."
[11:40:49] <crutchy> sounds kinda like what the maxUsesPerTimeframe function
[11:41:08] <crutchy> prolly off track though
[11:42:58] <crutchy> hmm Slash::ResKey::Key is used in a few places
[11:43:32] <crutchy> looks like it might be a base class for resources maybe?
[11:43:35] <crutchy> .deop
[11:43:51] <crutchy> oops. wrong button :p
[11:44:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> can forget Key
[11:44:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> it is, for creating and dealing with keys. specifics go elsewhere.
[11:45:04] <crutchy> nod nod
[11:45:12] <crutchy> looks very generic
[11:46:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, go ahead n drop it for now. i know how to eliminate it for subscribers and where to check that the settings are correct in the db.
[11:49:03] <crutchy> i reckon this might be the call that triggers that message... https://github.com
[11:49:34] <crutchy> actually the next line
[11:49:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> two lines down
[11:50:00] <crutchy> yeah
[11:50:12] <crutchy> so "submit" is the name of the resource
[11:50:46] <crutchy> it must be defined in the reskey tables then i guess
[11:51:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> for subscribers, which all our heavy submitters are for the most part, it's easy to bypass by just adding an if($user->{is_subscriber}) above and changing that to an elsif
[11:52:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> subscriber if wouldn't check reskey
[11:53:24] <crutchy> so that resource is only used for checking stuff like maxUsesPerTimeFrame and doesn't do any real work other than that?
[11:53:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> reskeys? basically
[11:54:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> they do massively complicate things though
[11:54:42] <crutchy> wouldn't create a security loophole to cut it out would it?
[11:55:00] <crutchy> seems like there's lots of different checks in reskeys
[11:55:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, only create a vector for subscribers to spam the shit outa us.
[11:55:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> if we only cut it out for them that is
[11:55:49] <crutchy> there's a reskeys template with message "Only admins may access this resource."
[11:55:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> if we allow all registered users, the editors are gonna be constantly kept busy with spam.
[11:56:58] <crutchy> might not be relevant for submit.pl though
[11:57:05] <crutchy> ^ re my last
[11:57:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> it is depending on the seclevel set
[11:57:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> which ours is set to 1, meaning everyone.
[11:58:24] <crutchy> could users delete other people's submissions?
[11:58:36] <crutchy> with a url hack
[11:58:53] <crutchy> *subscribed users
[11:58:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, you'd hafta have access to admin.pl which has a much higher seclevel
[11:59:02] <crutchy> ah
[11:59:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> and double checks multiple places to make sure you also have the admin flag
[11:59:31] <crutchy> ah yeah the delete op has $user->{is_admin}
[11:59:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> likely, i'd hafta look.
[12:00:07] <crutchy> https://github.com
[12:00:25] <crutchy> sorry i'm just being nosey
[12:00:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:00:48] <crutchy> slash is a curious beast
[12:01:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> indeed. not too terrible (reskeys aside) once you get the hang of it though.
[12:01:49] <crutchy> reskeys kinda seems interesting too
[12:01:54] <crutchy> very abstract
[12:02:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> extremely
[12:02:10] <crutchy> reminds me of delphi coding
[12:02:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> i first started i was like wtf, i can't access apache requests directly cause slash empties them!?!
[12:03:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> and all db interaction is abstracted at least one level.
[12:03:32] <crutchy> gedit doesn't seem like the right tool for editing slash :/
[12:03:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> gvim
[12:03:50] <crutchy> lol you're even worse than me
[12:04:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> man you couldn't get this thing in an ide if you tried
[12:04:10] <crutchy> does gvim have syntax highlighting at least?
[12:04:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[12:04:18] <crutchy> ah
[12:05:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> auto-indent, line numbering, syntax hilighting, depends on what you wanna turn on and if you can figure out how.
[12:05:13] <crutchy> might just be easier to navigate in an ide (ctrl+click on function name to go to declaration and all that sort of good stuff)
[12:05:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha!
[12:05:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> thing could confuse the hell out of any ide
[12:06:18] <crutchy> not gedit territory either, but i was spoilt with that in delphi, which made class heirarchies much easier to navigate
[12:06:43] <crutchy> multiple function name declarations might
[12:07:10] <crutchy> i'm pretty sure ides nowadays are capable of sorting out includes and stuff though
[12:07:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> anonymous subs being saved in objects likely would too
[12:07:55] <crutchy> yeah that would be akin to activex interfaces in windows. nothing can really handle that sort of shit well
[12:08:18] <crutchy> that's why god invented type libraries i guess
[12:08:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> you see where %ops is created in submit.pl? thas some fucked up shat right there.
[12:09:25] <crutchy> is that like a big arse ifelse statement or something?
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[12:09:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a linked list
[12:09:59] <crutchy> oh
[12:10:09] <crutchy> see that's where i start sucking at perl :p
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[12:10:28] <crutchy> ~gday Bytram
[12:10:29] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:10:29] <Bender> karma - coffee: 854
[12:10:29] <exec> * crutchy insatiably offers a socket of g'day juice to Bytram
[12:10:36] <crutchy> coffee++
[12:10:36] <Bender> karma - coffee: 855
[12:10:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> each member having a name and an anonymous array consisting of a check variable and a reference to the sub to be called for this op.
[12:10:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Bytram
[12:11:00] <crutchy> ah so it constructs a permissions list
[12:11:03] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: morning!
[12:11:18] <crutchy> to indicate what ops the user can do
[12:11:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> permissions and what to run
[12:11:35] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: would you happen to know what triggers the "No Spam Please!" message when submitting a story?
[12:11:51] <crutchy> and the 1 near the [ is the seclevel?
[12:11:58] <Bytram> AnonTechie has a journal article that he tried to submit and got that error.
[12:12:03] <crutchy> for blankform etc
[12:12:07] <Bytram> so I tried submitting it for him. got the same error!
[12:12:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> was he talking about viagra?
[12:12:19] <Bytram> nope
[12:12:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> goats?
[12:12:28] <Bytram> nope
[12:12:31] <crutchy> aw Bytram you don't have ultra-mega-mega-god-mode access :P
[12:12:52] <crutchy> ^ requires a mind meld with slash
[12:12:53] <Bytram> nah, just some minor editor powers.
[12:13:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> was something in there that hit the regex. might have been something pj added recently might be default spam filters.
[12:13:11] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: let me save the submission to a file and e-mail to you?
[12:13:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure or pastebin or whatever
[12:13:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not terribly familiar with our spam filters though
[12:15:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, the first item in the anon array is bool run this or not
[12:15:44] <crutchy> nod
[12:15:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> the second is essentially a pointer to the function to use c parlance
[12:17:24] <crutchy> gosh: $ops{$op}[FUNCTION]->($constants, $slashdb, $user, $form);
[12:17:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:17:33] <crutchy> that looks as nasty as php
[12:18:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> basically says run the op that came in as &op=foo in the url request with $constants, $slashdb, $user, and $form as arguments
[12:18:51] <Bytram> e-mail sent.
[12:18:55] <Bytram> afk brb
[12:21:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be the word prolonged, dunno
[12:21:59] <crutchy> i'm wondering if the value(s) of the ts field in the reskey_hourlysalt table for the submit resource might be the source of the issue
[12:22:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be the word specialist
[12:22:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah
[12:22:56] <crutchy> they seem pretty innocent
[12:23:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> hourly salt is just that. a random string changed hourly to salt the reskeys with.
[12:23:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> spe cialis t
[12:23:34] <Bytram> back
[12:23:44] <Bytram> I just had an idea... brb
[12:24:19] <crutchy> hmm maybe the submit_ts field in the reskeys table?
[12:24:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> just a unix timestamp generally set to NOW() in reskey->create
[12:25:05] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: damn you're good! that was it!
[12:25:17] <Bytram> unfortunately, that was in a direct quote.
[12:25:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... i know...
[12:25:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> entity that word
[12:25:45] * Bytram ponders using some form of &#xxxxx ?
[12:26:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> hang tight
[12:26:54] <crutchy> submit_ts appears to be used here (in the query that triggers the message in the issue): https://github.com
[12:27:12] <crutchy> there's a few other _ts fields though
[12:28:24] <crutchy> might be related to the $limit var
[12:29:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, check &#115;&#112;&#101;&#99;&#105;&#97;&#108;&#105;&#115;&#116;
[12:29:25] <Bytram> thanks! on it.
[12:30:20] <Bytram> ding ding ding!
[12:30:24] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[12:30:24] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 82
[12:30:54] <crutchy> ah. i found the link to that $constants->{reskey_timeframe} thingy you mentioned
[12:31:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> pj needs to refine his regexs
[12:31:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - TROBO the Storytelling Robot on Kickstarter - http://sylnt.us - Teddy-Ruxbot
[12:31:37] <crutchy> becomes the value of $limit via the duration sub
[12:32:09] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: that did the trick; story is now in the submission queue.
[12:32:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> woot
[12:32:25] <Bytram> so, I'm curious, how did you figure that word was the culprit so quickly?
[12:32:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> /viagra/ no joy. /cialis/ match
[12:33:02] <Bytram> so, just off the top of your head?
[12:33:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup, blind luck
[12:33:14] <Bytram> yowza!
[12:33:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, checked goat too
[12:33:20] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:33:21] <crutchy> he buys a lot of cialis online
[12:33:31] <Bytram> crutchy: how would you know?
[12:33:38] <crutchy> i'm his supplier :p
[12:33:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> just remembered pj had been working on spam filters
[12:34:19] <Bytram> yeah, I had an idea you just went down the list of blocked words and tried them in succession; but to do that off-hand instead... wow!
[12:34:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i dunno where he stuffed the blocked words regexs
[12:35:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> i saw them in the pull request today i think but i didn't pay attention to where they were going
[12:35:21] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:37:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... i think it's time subscribers get image support but we can't do that until we register as a dmca agent really
[12:37:42] <Bytram> once it got past the submission filters, I could put the word back in okay in the editor's story page.
[12:38:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. yall got no checks on yas
[12:38:25] * Bytram prefers plaid
[12:38:26] <Bytram> =)
[12:39:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, now i wanna listen to some bagpipes
[12:39:35] * Bytram dons ear plugs
[12:40:39] <Bytram> sotry is now in the queue. thanks for the help!
[12:42:47] <Bytram> s/sotry/story/
[12:42:47] <SedBot9000> <Bytram> story is now in the queue. thanks for the help!
[12:43:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> denada
[12:44:07] <Bytram> anagram(denada) == adenda
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[12:51:12] <crutchy> came across max_submissions_allowed in the vars table (from defaults.sql) but only appears to be used in a couple of templates (submit and edit)
[12:51:54] <crutchy> not sure where $constants->{reskey_timeframe} comes from :/
[12:52:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. only places it'd be needed
[12:52:03] <crutchy> db i'm assuming
[12:52:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, $constants is the "vars" table on the db
[12:52:34] <crutchy> ah
[12:52:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> in a linked list
[12:56:12] <crutchy> https://github.com
[12:57:19] <crutchy> maybe just increase that value. not sure how you could do it just for subs though
[12:58:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> no idea anymore, completely lost my reskey train of thought.
[12:59:01] <crutchy> that value gets put into the $limit var via the duration sub. $limit is used in the query that triggers the issue message
[13:00:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> seems like it should be 3600
[13:01:02] <crutchy> not sure what it is in the prod db
[13:01:19] <crutchy> that seems like the magic db field though
[13:01:26] <crutchy> maybe
[13:02:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be. i'll look into it later i think
[13:02:43] <crutchy> the where clause is "submit_ts > DATE_SUB(NOW(), INTERVAL $limit SECOND)"
[13:02:54] <crutchy> i dunno what that means off the top of my head though :/
[13:03:16] <crutchy> anyway. feeling a bit peckish
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[13:08:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, it really is looking like it's using the wrong timeframe when we're calling them per-hour limits
[13:09:50] <paulej72> reskey-timeframe is 14400 seconds.
[13:10:11] <paulej72> 4 Hours, the same as the formkey-timeframe
[13:10:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be 3600 for an hour
[13:10:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're checking five per four hours right now looks like
[13:10:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> as max stories submitted per four hours
[13:11:28] <paulej72> So do we change the resekey-timeframe for do we change the limits,
[13:11:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> and using that timeframe might be causing 5m to turn into 20m
[13:11:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll have to do a LOT of reading to tell you. it could bugger up other things changing it.
[13:12:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> likely we want to change the timeframe though.
[13:13:27] <crutchy> seems like something as flexible as slash should allow different timeframes for different resources
[13:16:39] <crutchy> tmb, this one also looks interesting: https://github.com
[13:16:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[13:17:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> the math between the two is i think what's getting us
[13:17:49] <paulej72> OK, now that I have some coffee in me, I remember that I fixed up the formkey stuff to have a subscrber speed limit. Never realixed ther is a second set of limits built into reskeys. That seems a bit shitty to me (dupliction of stuff)
[13:17:59] <crutchy> 14400/30=480 sec
[13:18:26] <crutchy> dunno where that reskey var is used
[13:18:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://github.com is the right one though
[13:19:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> no wait...
[13:19:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> 205 not 204. misclick i guess
[13:20:19] <crutchy> the max-uses reskey is used here: https://github.com
[13:20:42] <crutchy> s/used/got/
[13:20:42] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> the max-uses reskey is got here: https://github.com
[13:21:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> wrong sub
[13:22:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll check it with a 3600 timeframe later. my head hurts right now from lack of caffeine and nicotine.
[13:23:36] <paulej72> I am thinking we setup a subbypass var like the adminbypass and set the reskeys to bypass the duration checks.
[13:24:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya think?
[13:24:23] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders
[13:24:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, prolly be logical
[13:25:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno that we'll ever want to turn them on for subs but some other site might want to.
[13:25:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> easily doable
[13:26:14] <crutchy> the first element of the result of this function seems to also play a part: https://github.com
[13:26:23] <crutchy> some weird calculations in there though
[13:26:41] <crutchy> might be able to add a different max_uses for subs in there
[13:28:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> can. subs are rkrid6
[13:28:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> rather rkrid == 6
[13:30:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Google Formula for Success - http://sylnt.us - One-word:-"plastics"
[13:31:06] <crutchy> seems like a balance of the two elements in the return of the duration sub, with the second being that reskey var limit thingy, and the first being some funky mathematical abomonation
[13:31:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, i'm out for an hour or so. got to clear this caffeine headache
[13:31:33] <crutchy> good luck mate. cheers
[13:35:32] <paulej72> crutchy: what i did on the formkeys is rewirte the duration sub to basically bypass it if the user was a sub and the subscriber timeframe was set to 0
[13:36:46] <crutchy> mkay. i have nfi how this stuff works really
[13:37:03] <crutchy> you guys are into some black magic :p
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[13:38:02] <crutchy> i think i prefer my nice simple php bot :D
[13:48:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://money.cnn.com
[13:49:29] <chromas> Let's all have a moment of coffee++
[13:49:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:49:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 856
[13:49:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:49:47] <Bender> karma - coffee: 857
[13:49:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:49:48] <Bender> karma - coffee: 858
[13:49:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:49:48] <Bender> karma - coffee: 859
[13:49:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:49:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 860
[13:50:06] <chromas> coffee++
[13:50:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 861
[13:50:08] <chromas> coffee++
[13:50:08] <Bender> karma - coffee: 862
[13:50:11] <paulej72> that is the worst article I have seen in a while
[13:50:54] <paulej72> cant find the article meat through all of the spammy images
[13:51:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> article wasn't the point though. point was IT'S NATIONAL COFFEE DAY!!!
[13:51:24] <LaminatorX> I kept getting confused and thinking I was at the end.
[13:51:33] <Bytram> ~define viagraph
[13:51:45] <exec> viagraph: unable to find definition
[13:52:16] <crutchy> oh man does that mean i've missed national coffee day, unless i travel back in time across the international date line
[13:52:19] <Bytram> ~define viagram
[13:52:20] <LaminatorX> Every day is coffee day! I'm going to get some right now. (Coffee, that is)
[13:52:21] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3Viagram: Any photograph, drawing or diagram that results in sexual arousal for the viewer.
[13:53:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, afraid so
[13:53:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> your pennance is to drink twice as much today to make up for it.
[13:54:53] <crutchy> damn. i got a couple of easy jobs tomorrow so it could be a battle drinking more than today
[13:55:03] <crutchy> today was a turd
[13:55:20] <crutchy> don't even remember how much coffee i drank
[13:55:42] <chromas> I think Tool was ahead of its time
[13:55:47] <chromas> http://upload.wikimedia.org
[13:57:27] * chromas thinks it looks like a goatse
[13:57:31] <crutchy> at least its not ef's dong
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[14:08:24] <Bytram|away> time to run some errands and head to the day job; take care, all!
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[14:22:28] <mrcoolbp> o
[14:22:54] <crutchy> o.0
[14:23:17] <exec> 08*** SN funding has changed from $1,980 to $2,040
[14:23:19] <TK> What's the systemd version of Godwin's law?
[14:26:01] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: how does exec see the change? it's updating within one minute = )
[14:29:04] <crutchy> it's on a 15 min repeat. dumb luck prolly
[14:29:20] <mrcoolbp> polls site every 15 min?
[14:29:39] <crutchy> just the home pagem yeah
[14:30:24] <mrcoolbp> FYI I can't read any of the yeloow writing on a white background = (
[14:32:21] <crutchy> changed to green for next time. sorry about that
[14:32:26] * crutchy has black bg
[14:32:39] <mrcoolbp> I considered black bg
[14:32:50] <chromas> Seems like the client should use a darker yellow
[14:33:43] <mrcoolbp> chromas: irc colors are black magic to me a bit, my client uses weird symbols for bold and italics
[14:36:06] <chromas> You can usually change them in the settings. There's no time to get things done when you could be customizing all your software 😃
[14:36:19] <mrcoolbp> bingo
[14:36:53] * crutchy likes customising his wifes software
[14:37:07] <crutchy> oops did i say that out loud?
[14:42:28] * LaminatorX would be satisfied with a restore option.
[14:42:51] <LaminatorX> </HennyYoungman>
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[14:44:42] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[14:44:42] <Bender> karma - coffee: 863
[14:44:44] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[14:44:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 864
[14:44:47] <Blackmoore> coffee++3
[14:44:57] <Blackmoore> morin
[14:46:34] <n1> chai_latte++
[14:46:34] <Bender> karma - chai_latte: 2
[14:47:35] <mrcoolbp> https://www.youtube.com
[14:47:35] <monopoly> ^ 03Starbucks - YouTube
[14:48:54] <mrcoolbp> "Full-Body Latte"
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[14:54:13] <Blackmoore> im not sure if i want to scream in pain for the hot coffee, or just itch from the cream and sugar.
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[15:03:31] <Konomi> crutchy: Christopher Pine is on QandA (watching iview) I am pretty much face palming the whole ep
[15:06:18] <paulej72> I was face palming during the pilot episode of the new Scorpion TV show on CBS. It is about a think tank of seuper geniuses that is hired by the FBI. the problem is the writers could not get the science and tech even rempte plasuible.
[15:09:26] <Konomi> I avoid tv for that reason I only watch a few specific shows and they're ad free in most cases because public funded channel
[15:14:41] * mrcoolbp waves to Subsentient
[15:21:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Obama Admits U.S. Intelligence Didn’t See ISIS Coming - http://sylnt.us - wasn't-looking,-too-busy-listening
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[15:28:07] <Strat> I didn't know there was a chat room!
[15:28:22] <mrcoolbp> Strat: welcome = )
[15:28:24] <swiss> yep
[15:28:29] <swiss> irc best chat
[15:28:44] <mrcoolbp> maybe we should make that more clear from the front page. I think we only link to it in the FAQ and about page
[15:29:07] <Strat> There is now a link on the front about the meeting tomorrow night... that is how I found it
[15:29:20] <mrcoolbp> there ya go = )
[15:29:38] * mrcoolbp has to reschedule that meeting = /
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[15:31:47] <mrcoolbp> Strat: are you the same nick from that other site?
[15:31:56] <mrcoolbp> I recognise the name
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[15:33:54] <Strat> Not from the green site... I changed my username. I wasn't really that active on there. Strattitarius @ soylent.
[15:34:44] <mrcoolbp> oh, yeah I've seen a comment or two from you on soylent
[15:38:40] <Strat> Is the meeting you are going to reschedule open to all?
[15:38:56] <mrcoolbp> they all are
[15:40:36] <Strat> Cool beans. I will try to attend. For now, I gotta get some work done, but glad I dropped in.
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[18:21:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Practice does not Make Perfect - http://sylnt.us - n(a|ur)ture
[18:22:48] <chromas> For example, what if you practiced it wrong?
[18:23:45] <Landon> hehe
[18:23:51] <Landon> practice doesn't make perfect, but you still need lots of it
[18:23:59] <Landon> (so you can tell if you're doing it wrong)
[18:27:01] <n1> practice making perfect is about as true as hard work will always pay off in the end.
[18:28:56] * chromas practices cheating
[18:35:12] <n1> probably a more productive strategy, chromas
[18:35:44] <Blackmoore> Practices ... rewriting the rules so i have to win..
[18:35:59] <chromas> Yeah but it sounds like a lot of work; I might just cheat at it
[18:36:29] * chromas begins practicing cheating at cheating
[18:36:53] <n1> Blackmoore: I am altering the rules, pray i do not alter them further.
[18:38:36] <n1> chromas, cheating at cheating means you'll get caught.
[18:38:55] <n1> it's only really cheating if you get caught, apparently.
[18:49:52] <Blackmoore> and that's how darth vader won the Kbiashi Maru scenario back at Stargate academy
[18:50:27] <Blackmoore> grorram spelling
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[20:29:03] <NCommander> Well, this is rare
[20:29:06] * NCommander has writers block
[20:29:07] <NCommander> -_-;
[20:35:34] <Landon> let the rambling spew forth
[20:35:50] <paulej72> stream of consiousness
[20:48:10] <crutchy> writers anvil
[20:52:20] <crutchy> ~time gmt
[20:52:22] <exec> Monday, 29 September 2014 @ 8:52 pm GMT - Greenwich Mean Time
[21:06:33] <n1> guess everyone decided we didn't need any submissions today... :/
[21:07:52] <Blackmoore> sorry. I'm trying to find something worthwhile
[21:08:09] <Blackmoore> https://www.techdirt.com
[21:08:16] <Blackmoore> is not tech news
[21:08:24] <Blackmoore> http://www.sciencedaily.com
[21:08:25] <monopoly> ^ 03Simulations reveal an unusual death for ancient stars -- ScienceDaily
[21:08:45] <Blackmoore> is science.. but not really discussion drawing
[21:09:19] <Blackmoore> http://arstechnica.com
[21:09:38] <Blackmoore> this is tech, and appauling.. and us centric
[21:10:37] <n1> i looked at that story earlier
[21:10:43] <n1> and i just couldnt find myself all that interested in it
[21:10:49] <n1> and those kind of stories i'm usually interested in
[21:11:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Organ Donation: Opt-In or Opt-Out? - http://sylnt.us - you-put-your-left-leg-in,-your-left-leg-out...
[21:14:20] LaminatorX|afk is now known as LaminatorX
[21:15:02] <JamesNZ> fedora++
[21:15:02] <Bender> karma - fedora: 24
[21:18:30] <Landon> heh Blackmoore
[21:18:46] <Landon> Imight be a bad netizen for saying this, but YRO stuff on slashdot was the most tiring
[21:19:33] <n1> I agree, but it's also relevant and important.
[21:19:55] <Landon> yeah, cognitive dissonance
[21:20:08] <Landon> "I should care, heavily, about this" v "I need to move on with my life"
[21:20:20] <LaminatorX> That's that banality of evil you've been hearing about.
[21:20:44] <n1> we're almost immune to outrage when it comes to 'telecoms provider screws customers'
[21:20:48] <Landon> since 99% of this doesn't affect me and there is no change I see that I can make without being part of an aggregate mass
[21:20:49] <n1> because it's been happening constantly for decades
[21:20:59] <Landon> (or being the 1% that it does affect)
[21:24:20] <Blackmoore> the onlything that can fix the current situation with telecom (and cable) would be to break companies up. and with the current leadership (both at FCC and whitehouse) that is never going to happen.
[21:24:49] <Blackmoore> and the mob (99%) isnt hungry enough to seek blood
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[21:25:17] <n1> i think the FED regulator story from the other day is illustrative of the telecoms regulators also
[21:28:55] * NCommander waves
[21:30:00] * arti waves
[21:30:14] * Landon waves
[21:30:20] <arti> :D
[21:32:03] * LaminatorX waves.
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[21:33:54] <crutchy> ~queue
[21:33:58] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 9 - http://sylnt.us
[21:35:57] <arti> g'day
[21:36:16] <arti> ~farque
[21:36:56] <n1> Blackmoore++
[21:36:56] <Bender> karma - blackmoore: 5
[21:37:16] <arti> !idle
[21:37:18] <ciri> crisp hasn't said a word for 75594 minutes :/
[21:37:40] <arti> !g 75594/60/60/24/7
[21:37:41] <ciri> (((75 594 / 60) / 60) / 24) / 7 = 0.124990079
[21:37:58] <arti> !g 75594/60/24/7
[21:37:58] <ciri> ((75 594 / 60) / 24) / 7 = 7.49940476
[21:38:12] * arti was thinking in seconds >.>
[21:39:29] <Blackmoore> i'm tryin. i do have work to get done
[21:40:52] <n1> me too, otherwise i would have been hunting for stories too
[21:44:12] <NCommander> !idle
[21:44:13] <ciri> crisp hasn't said a word for 75601 minutes :/
[21:49:56] <Blackmoore> http://www.sciencedaily.com
[21:50:28] <Blackmoore> can i send this in as "researcher doesnt fucking realize that salt is a major component of biological systems?"
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[22:41:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Millionaire Day Trader Learned Skills on Ultima Online - http://sylnt.us - world's-casino
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[23:00:06] <Blackmoore> .. MULE was better at that.
[23:20:45] * n1 sigh
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[23:37:56] <nez> Hello. I'd like to delete my SoylentNews account. Is that possible?
[23:38:52] <nez> ping: NCommander
[23:39:30] <NCommander> nez, pong
[23:39:47] <NCommander> nez, as of right now, we don't have an account deletion facility other than just forgetting your password
[23:40:00] <NCommander> nez, its been discussed, but it creates quite a few logistical headaches
[23:40:12] <NCommander> nez, if I may ask, why do you want to toast it?
[23:40:51] <nez> NCommander: personal reasons. I'm trying to get my /. account deleted too but they don't seem to really care
[23:41:14] <nez> NCommander: I assume the logistical issues would be with any existing posts or journal entries?
[23:43:06] <NCommander> nez, yeah. the database is kinda an interlinked mess of crap, and there's assumptions on things like gaps and such
[23:43:31] <NCommander> nez, without a way to cascade delete, we're bound to leave old ID stuff hanging around and blow up a maintence script or two
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[23:43:47] <paulej72> we can change the nick and password
[23:43:55] * NCommander was about to say that :-P
[23:43:59] <NCommander> damn you paulej72 for stealing my thunder
[23:44:07] <nez> lol
[23:44:07] <ciri> HEY! don't laugh at me
[23:44:10] <mattie_p> hey, whats up Soylentils?
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[23:44:19] <nez> NCommander: I understand
[23:44:26] <paulej72> nice to see you mattie_p
[23:44:35] <mattie_p> thanks, its been cray crazy
[23:44:49] <nez> paulej72 / NCommander: should I send a PM or something about this?
[23:44:52] <paulej72> kind of here too
[23:45:05] <nez> just randomize the nick and null the password field so nobody can login
[23:45:32] <mattie_p> best news is I got a good job offer today, I can finally settle down to a routine soon
[23:45:41] <NCommander> nez, if its all the same, I rather just randomize the PW
[23:45:48] <NCommander> nez, if you want the account back, you can do an email reset
[23:45:55] <paulej72> no not random. was going to use viagra1 :)
[23:46:00] <NCommander> -_-;
[23:46:05] <NCommander> I think paulej72 been replaced by a spambot
[23:46:20] <paulej72> i am the spambot
[23:46:23] <mattie_p> need to get a better recaptcha
[23:46:23] <chromas> the regex has taken over his mind and soul
[23:46:45] <nez> NCommander: ok I guess
[23:46:58] <paulej72> if the captcha is correct its a bot
[23:47:12] * NCommander is pretty sure his ankle is fucked up
[23:47:13] <NCommander> Ugh
[23:47:13] <NCommander> -_-;
[23:47:35] <chromas> Now how do we know you're the /real/ nez?
[23:47:44] <nez> chromas: good question
[23:48:03] <nez> I can set the sig on the account to some specific string
[23:48:16] <nez> or the real name field, or something
[23:48:29] <paulej72> to bad it is not winter then you could ice it down by sticking it out the window NCommander
[23:48:31] <chromas> Will you still be around as an AC?
[23:48:49] <nez> chromas: I am a lurker
[23:49:03] <NCommander> paulej72, -_-;
[23:49:12] * NCommander ejects paulej72 out of a window
[23:49:43] <paulej72> no im on the second floor, i might twist my ankle
[23:50:26] <mattie_p> defenestration is a way of life, you really have to commit to it
[23:53:49] <SpallsHurgenson> heh, Windows9 will be a free upgrade to Windows8 http://www.escapistmagazine.com
[23:54:03] <SpallsHurgenson> anything to get those numbers up, I guess
[23:54:22] <paulej72> have not purchased win 8 yet
[23:55:17] <paulej72> win 9 should be what enterprise clients want, i know i sure do
[23:57:06] <SpallsHurgenson> are you implying that enterprise clients WEREN'T clamoring for a candy-colored touch-screen interface for their workers? That's ridiculous! :)
[23:58:00] <paulej72> most are just getting onto 7, now they have an upgrade path
[23:59:48] <nez> NCommander, paulej72, what should my next step be for this?