#Soylent | Logs for 2014-09-26

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[00:10:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Chemists Recruit Anthrax to Deliver Cancer Drugs - http://sylnt.us - domestication
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[00:20:08] <juggs> Blackmoore - yes Mint has pushed 2 updates for bash in the last 24 hours. They'll come in with a normal update.
[00:20:25] <juggs> finally finished the scrolly backy
[00:26:54] <SpallsHurgenson> now start the scrolly forwardy... and let us know what conversations we should pay attention to ahead of time :)
[00:29:32] <juggs> my crystal ball is cloudy
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[00:38:09] <SpallsHurgenson> have you tried Windex?
[01:02:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> !whoup coffee
[01:02:12] <Bender> uppers of coffee are: crutchy: 475, TheMightyBuzzard: 259, Blackmoore: 109, Bytram: 62, chromas: 24, mrcoolbp: 17, crutchy_: 16, MrBluze: 15, arti: 15, TK: 12, TheMightyLaptop: 10, mechanicjay: 10, AndyTheAbsurd: 8, paulej72: 7, Bytram|away: 5, mattie_p: 5, juggs: 3, Ethanol-fueled: 3, monopoly: 3, silverly: 2, rand: 2, TheMightyBuzzard|Book: 2, systemd: 2, matt_: 2, - 1 more
[01:02:25] <mrcoolbp> fear the ping-o-death
[01:02:27] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles to himself and hides
[01:03:04] <systemd> !whodown coffee
[01:03:19] * juggs clips TheMightyBuzzard's wings
[01:03:23] <systemd> Nobody?
[01:06:20] <mrcoolbp> !list
[01:06:20] <Bender> available plugins: admin, cfg, chan, chatlog, core, fleet, grabquote, ignore, irc, karma, koffie, lod, markov, more, plug, relay, soylentrss, sylnt, todo, twitter, uidchecker, uidchecker_new, urlinfo, user
[01:06:27] <mrcoolbp> !help karma
[01:06:27] <Bender> help on karma:  arguments: <item> - show karma of item.
[01:06:28] <ciri> Help is only available for the following: all,google,images,groups,news,local,book,video,fight,youtube,translate,gamespot,gamefaqs,blog,ebay,ebayfight,wikipedia,wikimedia,locate,review,torrent,top,popular,dailymotion,ign,myspace,trends,scholar
[01:06:31] <Bender> permissions: OPER, USER, GUEST - location: jsb.plugs.common.karma - examples: karma jsb
[01:07:06] <mrcoolbp> whoa, I pinged both of them and still didn't get the answer I wanted
[01:20:14] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: who are you pinging?
[01:20:32] <mrcoolbp> Bender and ciri
[01:20:52] * mrcoolbp points to the lines directly above
[01:21:07] <paulej72> ok I see
[01:24:00] <chromas> !list karma
[01:24:00] <Bender> karma plugin has the following commands: karma-whoup, karma-whodown, karma-whydown, karma-whyup, karma-cfg, karma-good, karma-cfgsave, karma
[01:24:09] <mrcoolbp> there ya go
[01:24:15] <mrcoolbp> !whodown bacon
[01:24:15] <Bender> downers of bacon are: Subsentient: -6, Bytram: -1, Landon: -1, aqu4: -1, TME520: -1, AndyTheAbsurd: -1
[01:24:19] <mrcoolbp> !whodown coffee
[01:24:20] <Bender> downers of coffee are: ar: -155, JamesNZ: -48, swiss: -14, SpallsHurgenson: -7, crutchy: -4, NCommander: -2, prospectacle: -2, juggs: -1, chromas: -1, TheMightyBuzzard: -1, chimp: -1, DrMag: -1, ar_: -1, AndyTheAbsurd: -1, Azrael: -1
[01:24:42] <mrcoolbp> systemd, I guess it doesn't like you (and from what I read, Bender isn't the only one!) = P
[01:24:50] <SpallsHurgenson> coffee--
[01:24:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 852
[01:24:52] <SpallsHurgenson> coffee--
[01:24:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 851
[01:24:54] <SpallsHurgenson> coffee--
[01:24:54] <Bender> karma - coffee: 850
[01:24:57] <SpallsHurgenson> :)
[01:24:59] <mrcoolbp> noooooooo!
[01:25:08] <systemd> probably 'cause I'm not registered
[01:25:17] <mrcoolbp> not sure
[01:25:31] <monopoly> !whodown bacon
[01:25:31] <Bender> downers of bacon are: Subsentient: -6, Bytram: -1, Landon: -1, aqu4: -1, TME520: -1, AndyTheAbsurd: -1
[01:25:41] <SpallsHurgenson> bacon--
[01:25:41] <Bender> karma - bacon: 256
[01:25:44] <SpallsHurgenson> bacon++
[01:25:44] <Bender> karma - bacon: 257
[01:25:51] <SpallsHurgenson> (:
[01:25:52] <chromas> overflow! overflow!
[01:26:45] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm... new nvidia drivers for windows. last time I updated, my gpu died.
[01:27:01] * SpallsHurgenson 's finger hovers over the download button, not sure whether or not to click
[01:29:28] <chromas> linux++
[01:29:28] <Bender> karma - linux: 6
[01:29:51] <chromas> wine_snapshot++
[01:29:51] <Bender> karma - wine_snapshot: 1
[01:32:43] <paulej72> SpallsHurgenson: it depends on how old your gpu is. nvidia is fond of dropping support for “older” gpus with newer software
[01:33:10] <SpallsHurgenson> well, it's pretty new NOW that I had to replace the old one :)
[01:33:37] <chromas> That's exactly what they wanted you to do!! </hat>
[01:34:48] <SpallsHurgenson> damn, and I fell for it!
[01:34:58] <SpallsHurgenson> next time the video-card dies, I'll just do without :)
[01:35:19] <mrcoolbp> who said that?
[01:35:27] <mrcoolbp> = )
[01:35:38] <chromas> Benjamin Franklin
[01:35:45] <SpallsHurgenson> he gets all the best lines
[01:36:17] * mrcoolbp 's name is actually Benjamin
[01:36:41] <SpallsHurgenson> wait... does your last name start with a "P"?
[01:36:51] * SpallsHurgenson puts his sleuthing abilities to the test
[01:38:47] <chromas> Prentice?
[01:39:49] <chromas> If we figure it out then he'll have to change it and then kill us
[01:39:57] <Popeidol> Purslowe
[01:40:05] <SpallsHurgenson> not again
[01:40:13] <SpallsHurgenson> that would be the third time this week
[01:41:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Red-light Camera Contractor Spent Thousands on Meals for Sacramento County and CHP Employees - http://sylnt.us - free-lunch
[01:42:43] <paulej72> used to watch CHiPs regularly
[01:43:23] <paulej72> I not sure if they had an episode on this
[01:43:45] <chromas> Saints Row 3 has a motorcycle called Estrada
[01:46:32] <mrcoolbp> chromas, spalls, I think that's all been posted publicly, but yeah
[01:46:51] <paulej72> I alwas thought his name was Erica Strada
[01:47:08] <mrcoolbp> that's my wife's name you insensitive clod!
[01:48:01] <mrcoolbp> chromas, SpallsHurgenson: just out of curiousity, what did the sluething entail?
[01:48:27] <juggs> chromas - was it a Ducati?
[01:48:53] <chromas> I don't know that much about bikes so I dunno
[01:49:47] <chromas> juggs: http://www52.atwiki.jp
[01:49:51] <juggs> They've had / have various stradas - Multi Estrada I think. I lose track
[01:50:33] <paulej72> looks like Vanilla Ice on that bike
[01:51:09] <chromas> mrcoolbp: well I found a mrcoolbp in Framingham, MA on myspace but now I looked at the pictures
[01:51:19] <juggs> haha - haven't heard that name in a long while
[01:51:19] * chromas assumes the pictures say "no"
[01:51:34] <mrcoolbp> oh god myspace?
[01:51:44] <chromas> https://myspace.com
[01:51:45] <monopoly> ^ 03Ben Prentice (mrcoolbp) on Myspace
[01:51:46] * mrcoolbp forgot about that horrid site
[01:52:15] <chromas> or maybe it was you in your younger days :D
[01:52:19] <SpallsHurgenson> my sleuthing consisted entirely of noting that the is a "b" in your nick and that corresponds with the "b" in your name... ergo the "p" in your nick must be significant somehow :)
[01:52:23] <mrcoolbp> yeah those are freaking old but actually me.
[01:52:29] <SpallsHurgenson> then I got distracted and did something else :)
[01:52:43] * chromas should start a craapy db of all the users on here
[01:52:55] <chromas> photos of crutchy, mrcoolbp and TheMightyBuzzard
[01:52:57] <mrcoolbp> SpallsHurgenson: Brilliant!
[01:53:06] <chromas> *creepy
[01:53:09] <mrcoolbp> chromas, nah, those are my brothers
[01:53:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> wut?
[01:53:22] <paulej72> NCommander: posted his picts here
[01:53:23] <chromas> oh yeah?!
[01:53:25] <chromas> Enhance!
[01:53:41] <chromas> See that little droplet of mist over there? Go ahead and vector in on that shit
[01:54:01] * chromas enhances the reflection
[01:54:14] <juggs> :D
[01:54:15] <paulej72> 40 Terapixel camera
[01:54:28] <juggs> works better with 2 people bashing at the keyboard
[01:54:29] <chromas> hey if you can enhance it once, there's no limit
[01:54:52] <chromas> After about 432 droplets and 4 mirrors, I found a murder taking place across town
[01:55:06] <paulej72> lol
[01:55:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, fine fine: https://www.dropbox.com
[01:55:57] <monopoly> ^ 03Dropbox - headshot2.png
[01:56:11] <chromas> ooh, two pics
[01:56:17] <chromas> beard still awesome
[01:56:27] <chromas> You linked one a while back with a fish I think
[01:56:32] <Popeidol> oh hey it's that guy from the pirate bay
[01:56:43] <chromas> Did you get a regex in your eye?
[01:57:08] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: that's an epic pic
[01:57:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> thankey, beard's grown since then too.
[01:57:26] <paulej72> does the name headshot2 indicate the the outcome of something gone wrong
[01:57:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> eyepatch is just cause eyepatches are awesome.
[01:57:51] <chromas> he was getting a perl necklace and someone missed
[01:57:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, just means i blinked in the first one.
[01:58:01] <juggs> probably don't want to walk around with a AK-47 with beardage like that at the moment :D
[01:58:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck em, i have an actual ak-47 to deal with em if they don't like it.
[01:58:48] <paulej72> is it a 47 or newer 74?
[01:59:17] * juggs knows nowt about guns being a de-weaponised brit LD
[01:59:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> older. not a legit one though. a newer copy of the old 47.
[01:59:44] <SpallsHurgenson> s/nowt/naught/
[01:59:56] <SpallsHurgenson> (would expect a Brit to know that :)
[02:00:19] <juggs> north yorkshire my old chap - it's nowt!
[02:00:37] <paulej72> internet speek trumps Good English
[02:00:45] <mrcoolbp> I will nowt use that spell- crap.
[02:01:12] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, a Yorkshireman. No wonder you can't speak English :)
[02:01:19] <paulej72> town <-> nowt
[02:01:56] <mrcoolbp> more recent pic of me: http://washbrain.com
[02:02:05] <paulej72> you all sound American to me :)
[02:02:31] <mrcoolbp> or http://washbrain.com
[02:02:57] -!- Blackmoore_ [Blackmoore_!~48581251@fbav-50-66-46-14.bflony.east.verizon.net] has joined #Soylent
[02:03:27] <mrcoolbp> Blackmoore: well the reviews were mixed on that noir piece
[02:03:48] <Blackmoore_> I see that. but overall not badly taken
[02:04:09] <Blackmoore_> and one grump whos posted a total of 8 times
[02:04:22] <mrcoolbp> aye
[02:04:31] <Blackmoore_> I'll take it as a win
[02:04:41] <mrcoolbp> yeah, there were some happy commenters for sure
[02:06:22] <Blackmoore_> Well, i'll have to do that again, but not right away
[02:07:38] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, not a Yorkshireman - just making a vaguely plausible excuse
[02:07:45] <SpallsHurgenson> huh. in slashdot, I can get a list of all the comments I posted; does soylent have anything similar?
[02:08:24] <mrcoolbp> SpallsHurgenson: sure, for subscribers = )
[02:09:05] * SpallsHurgenson can't tell if mrcoolbp is being serious or not
[02:09:20] <juggs> Blackmoore_, I noticed that grump too. Made me chuckle. "bleh bleh bleh something something or else I'm going back to /."
[02:09:20] <paulej72> Pict of me in here: http://www.princeton.edu
[02:09:21] <monopoly> ^ 03Princeton University - Employees honored for dedication and service
[02:10:11] <mrcoolbp> SpallsHurgenson: http://soylentnews.org
[02:10:12] <paulej72> SpallsHurgenson: he is serious, just has a foundness for money
[02:10:12] <Blackmoore_> juggs: I swear i get the same guy complaining when it is one of my horrifing spelling/grammer/punctuation errors.
[02:10:12] <monopoly> ^ 04SN article 03 Subscriptions Live on SoylentNews; Please Support Us 04(75 comments)
[02:10:28] <mrcoolbp> "Full comment histories/access to database-intensive operations"
[02:10:34] * mrcoolbp likes money
[02:10:44] <paulej72> Blackmoore: Is it that AC guy, he is such a jerk
[02:10:47] <SpallsHurgenson> bah, that just makes me less likely to comment :)
[02:11:01] <mrcoolbp> SpallsHurgenson: suit yourself
[02:11:17] <SpallsHurgenson> I usually do :)
[02:11:26] <mrcoolbp> better than having someone else do it.
[02:11:30] <Blackmoore_> mrcoolbp: Nah - it usually someone with a ID.. i dont give a crap - i'm puttign shit up.
[02:11:40] <paulej72> I usually buy my suits
[02:12:15] <Blackmoore_> of course tonight, i'm into a bottle of rum. and typign will get worse.
[02:12:29] <paulej72> yo ho ho and a bottle of rum
[02:12:40] <Blackmoore_> :)
[02:12:45] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: guy on the right? The naimes are confusingly written in that caption
[02:12:54] <mrcoolbp> s/naimes/names/
[02:12:54] <SedBot9000> <mrcoolbp> paulej72: guy on the right? The names are confusingly written in that caption
[02:13:47] <paulej72> yes, but the caption is not really confusing for the people on campus, had not to know the president
[02:13:47] <mrcoolbp> oh, 'cause we are supposed to know that the president is in the center maybe...
[02:13:56] <mrcoolbp> yup, figured it out
[02:13:58] * mrcoolbp points up
[02:14:50] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: ROFL: "Once Eric is involved with a team, he gives it his best work, even though other teams, unknown to each other, are also receiving his best work."
[02:15:30] <paulej72> well that was before I was a slacker :)
[02:15:35] <mrcoolbp> " frequently beyond normal working hours..." little do they know he's just chatting on IRC with us
[02:15:55] <Blackmoore_> hehehe like i ususlly am
[02:16:26] <paulej72> well I have been coming home more often on time now that I have a better place to come home to.
[02:16:39] <mrcoolbp> home = us!?!?
[02:16:51] * mrcoolbp get's hopes up
[02:17:39] <Blackmoore_> :P i think of the chat room as more like... calahans cross time saloon
[02:17:52] <mrcoolbp> uh...yeah me too?
[02:18:21] <paulej72> it is alwasy 5 oclock here
[02:18:31] <Blackmoore_> back many years ago i used to spend time in that chat room
[02:18:35] <mrcoolbp> do you live in bermuda triangle?
[02:19:01] <Blackmoore_> Eh, it's a temporal displacement thing..you get used to it
[02:22:18] <Blackmoore_> *needs more rum*
[02:22:36] <Blackmoore_> i'm fighting a cold
[02:22:46] <Blackmoore_> and exhaustion
[02:22:59] * mrcoolbp sips rum + coke
[02:23:06] <Blackmoore_> and have a 12+ workday tomorrow
[02:23:13] <mrcoolbp> me too!
[02:23:13] <Blackmoore_> *headdesk*
[02:23:25] <mrcoolbp> I gotta get up in 7 hours actually
[02:23:33] <mrcoolbp> er, 8
[02:23:50] <mrcoolbp> er, 7.5
[02:23:53] * mrcoolbp is tired
[02:24:29] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: do you know what your natrual sleep cycle is? You should be able to fit two full ones in 7,5 hrs
[02:24:59] * mrcoolbp uses a sleep timer app actually
[02:25:23] <mrcoolbp> but I'm not yet headed to bed, I'll probably get a good 5.5 hours sleep
[02:25:31] <mrcoolbp> which is not good = (
[02:26:41] <Blackmoore_> done that. I'll sleep ok tonight..
[02:27:07] <Blackmoore_> in an hour or two
[02:28:23] <Blackmoore_> i usually get 5-7 hours..
[02:28:38] <mrcoolbp> same
[02:28:58] <Blackmoore_> oh boy.. i should NOT be trying to update Linux while near drunk
[02:29:11] <mrcoolbp> meh, s'alright
[02:30:13] <chromas> postgresql++
[02:30:14] <Bender> karma - postgresql: 1
[02:30:25] <chromas> Went to search for that other tmb pic and found a cat pix I missed before
[02:30:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh
[02:31:03] * chromas starts SoylentNSA
[02:31:15] <chromas> National Soylent Assimilation
[02:31:30] <juggs> lol Blackmoore_ it's two commands or with the minty updater thing, a click of a button
[02:31:40] <paulej72> National Soylent Ass_imilation
[02:31:54] <chromas> assctl start collection
[02:33:17] <paulej72> if you turn yumupdated in RH you just sit back and relax
[02:34:20] <Blackmoore_> Mint 16.
[02:34:21] <juggs> mint defaults would also pull the security updates in automagically too.
[02:34:26] <Blackmoore_> not an LTS.
[02:34:44] <juggs> I kill the mint updater thingy though as it annoys me.
[02:35:12] <Blackmoore_> alreready attacked at command line.
[02:35:54] <juggs> avahi got ripped out as well
[02:38:05] <juggs> ooh right - mint 16 is already out of support right? I stayed away from anything non lts on mint.
[02:39:12] <juggs> are you backporting from 17 or something Blackmoore_ ?
[02:40:45] <Blackmoore_> i installed 16 the day before 17 came out
[02:41:07] <Blackmoore_> and now i play games with repositories
[02:41:09] <paulej72> OK it is about bed time for me so I am signing off for the night
[02:41:23] <mrcoolbp> goodnight mr. paul
[02:41:37] <Blackmoore_> gnight
[02:43:12] <Blackmoore_> there we go.
[02:44:33] <Blackmoore_> had to add repositories.
[02:46:08] <juggs> yeh - at least from mint 17 on they are intending to support in place upgrades for lts. Which presumably will be some re-working of do-release-upgrade that Ubuntu uses. Although to be fair, I always end up blowing the install away and doing a fresh install , then dragging over whatever settings I need manually.
[02:48:54] <Blackmoore_> well this seems to work for now
[02:52:35] <juggs> aye
[02:54:09] <Blackmoore_> and now to worry if the router needs the fix
[02:54:33] <Blackmoore_> *too drunk to fix it anyway*
[02:56:40] <juggs> ha, I was trying to fathom my printer earlier. Feck knows what it's running but it has the capability to be an ipsec tunnel endpoint and the firmware update was 6MB, which I thought was a tad heavy for a printer.
[02:58:29] <Blackmoore_> Printer readout says "feed me a cat"
[03:01:11] <mrcoolbp> "PC-Loadletter!?!"
[03:03:16] -!- rand has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[03:05:43] <Blackmoore_> http://www.myconfinedspace.com
[03:05:45] <monopoly> ^ ( http://img.myconfinedspace.com )
[03:06:48] <juggs> I was vaguely trying to work out why anyone would want an ipsec tunnel to a printer. Still not sure I know why. Disabled it in the settings but the port is still listening (not responding) according to nmap ~grr~ ~15 listening ports on a sodding printer ffs
[03:06:57] <Lagg> Wow
[03:07:14] <Lagg> What are the ports, that sounds ridiculous
[03:07:34] <juggs> eh, I closed it out - let me run it again
[03:08:34] <juggs> ~running~ - takes a few mins
[03:08:39] <Lagg> Combined with everything else including a bunch of microsoft crap my windows machine has 8 open right now, so this must be the most holy goddamned printer of all
[03:09:31] <Lagg> This sort of thing is why I prefer USB printers shared with cups and samba, because stuff like that is quite frankly creepy
[03:10:05] <Blackmoore_> realy creepy.
[03:10:18] <juggs> it was mostly print related stuff - lpr / raw / ipp / jetdirect (emulation) - I'll do a paste bomb once nmap completes though
[03:10:51] <Lagg> Especially when you consider that the environment wherein these things are deployed are usually companies with stupid IT departments that just have a switch between it and the WAN
[03:11:14] <Lagg> So firewalls generally can't be relied upon there
[03:11:57] <Lagg> juggs: Oh and there's your answer for why some people want ipsec
[03:12:26] <mrcoolbp> !quote NCommander
[03:12:26] <Bender> Quote 1 - <NCommander> DarkMorph, because whenever I have to touch hashref's I want to stab my eyes out
[03:12:28] <juggs> the amount of options on the network config a boggling
[03:12:30] <Bender> Also in quotes: 7, 53, 82, 83, 86, 87, 88, 97, 106, 111, 114, 138, 147, 153, 156, 157, 158, 169, 171, 211, 212, 222
[03:12:37] <mrcoolbp> !quote 222
[03:12:37] <Bender> Quote 222 - <TheMightyLaptop> honestly, we generally don't get rid of anything. NCommander loves doing it so much it's a shame to disappoint him by taking his fun.
[03:12:56] <mrcoolbp> !quote 7
[03:12:56] <Bender> Quote 7 - <NCommander> Dopefish, I handed him a 3k page novel, then told him that was short for one of my posts
[03:12:58] <juggs> hmm namp still doing its thing - going for a smoke
[03:13:02] <juggs> nmap*
[03:13:20] <mrcoolbp> !quote 212
[03:13:20] <Bender> Quote 212 - <aqu4> I last saw NCommander at 2014-07-22 10:19:24 UTC in #soylent. Their most recent message is "I got a serious cause of the munchies"
[03:13:32] <mrcoolbp> !quote 211
[03:13:32] <Bender> Quote 211 - <NCommander> Shit shit shit
[03:13:35] <mrcoolbp> lol
[03:14:40] <NCommander> >.>;
[03:14:51] <NCommander> Its a pity I don't have a monopoly on the quotes database anymore
[03:15:02] <mrcoolbp> Who does?
[03:15:31] <mrcoolbp> !quote 171
[03:15:31] <Bender> Quote 171 - <NCommander> Obviously I haven't been swearing enough
[03:15:40] <mrcoolbp> see that's your problem = )
[03:15:55] <mrcoolbp> !quote 169
[03:15:55] <Bender> Quote 169 - <NCommander> never save a killer poke
[03:16:12] * mrcoolbp pets NCommander
[03:16:32] <Blackmoore_> NCommander++
[03:16:32] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 54
[03:18:06] <Blackmoore_> Wooo rum!!
[03:18:34] <juggs> Lagg - what was the answer why some people want ipsec to a printer - you lost me - seems like a horrid idea to expose a printer for ipsec to the WAN, strikes me as an ideal thing to pivot on to exploit the LAN.
[03:18:37] <mrcoolbp> yay!
[03:19:03] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: it's later here then there, and I gotta get up early, catch ya tomorrow hopefully
[03:19:41] <NCommander> best of luck
[03:19:42] <NCommander> cya]
[03:22:38] <juggs> Lagg http://pastebin.com 9 ports - I may have exaggerated :D I like how it reports itself as a Dell 1130n when it is a Samsung ML-2525W - but then it's the same thing with a different name stencilled on the front :D
[03:22:38] <monopoly> ^ 03Printer Blah - Pastebin.com
[03:23:09] <Lagg> juggs: Yes, but consider that people rarely do ipsec right in the first place
[03:23:41] <Lagg> Companies like Cisco still exist because of stuff like this
[03:23:58] <Lagg> Sure as hell isn't because they make good stuff anymore anyway
[03:24:47] <juggs> ~beer NCommander
[03:25:08] <Blackmoore_> ahright all, have a good night.
[03:25:08] <juggs> uch I lost track of the bot prefixes again
[03:25:21] <juggs> sleep well Blackmoore_
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[03:26:55] <Lagg> juggs: That nmap doesn't look as weird as I figured it would
[03:26:59] <Lagg> So at least there's that
[03:30:48] <juggs> Lagg - it's weird when you consider I disabled everything but lpd (515) in the web interface. Shit shouldn't be listening on anything but that and 80 as far as I'm concerned.
[03:30:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Fossil of Ancient Multicellular Life Sets Evolutionary Timeline Back 60 Million Years - http://sylnt.us - fall-back
[03:32:12] <Lagg> juggs: Probably because it just has a setting that tells it to not accept connections on that port rather than actually shutting down the daemon
[03:33:57] <juggs> Lagg, most likely. I'd quite like to manage to get a shell on it to dig around what it's actually running under the covers :) I'm too much of a wuss to go digging around blackhat type places to find out how though :D
[03:35:37] <Lagg> Yeah, if there is actually a way to get shell on it though there is probably already a well documented way with code given
[03:37:36] <chromas> try a bash injection
[03:38:25] * chromas looks at the pubic pastes on the right of the page: "milf amateur photos"
[03:38:41] <chromas> adfly--
[03:38:41] <Bender> karma - adfly: -1
[03:41:27] <juggs> what on earth is a pubic paste? some kind of louse treatment?
[03:42:19] <chromas> You don't want to touch it or know what it is
[03:45:31] <juggs> more than likely
[03:45:56] <chromas> pastebin--
[03:45:56] <Bender> karma - pastebin: -1
[03:46:12] <juggs> what's up with pastebin ?
[03:46:32] <chromas> not its karma
[03:47:38] * juggs suspects chromas is a bot
[03:51:11] <systemd> Administer the test
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[03:52:42] * juggs spots Roy Batty climbing past the window, soaked by the perpetual rain
[03:53:03] <juggs> this may not end well
[03:53:53] * chromas hasn't seen it. The name always makes me think of that bobsledding movie
[03:54:28] <juggs> read the book instead
[03:54:38] <chromas> The internet says it's called Cool Runnings but "blade runner" reminds me of ice skating I guess
[03:55:11] <chromas> oh yeah, books
[03:55:28] <chromas> the thing from whence a movie comes
[03:55:30] <juggs> it's a good film - dated now of course
[03:55:51] <JamesNZ> fedora++
[03:55:51] <Bender> karma - fedora: 21
[03:56:07] <chromas> needs baysplosions or that guy who ruined the Avatar (cartoon) movie
[03:56:08] <exec> http://www.youtube.com
[03:56:36] * chromas wonders what other links exec is sitting on
[03:57:26] <JamesNZ> chromas: http://www.youtube.com :P
[03:57:26] <monopoly> ^ 03What if Michael Bay Directed "UP"? - YouTube
[03:57:34] <Lagg> chromas: A printer using bash would not be a very good printer
[03:57:41] * Lagg </wordsofwisdom>
[03:59:19] <chromas> if it's got ipsec it may as well have everything else
[04:01:06] <chromas> JamesNZ: I dunno, I think it still had too much story and emotions
[04:02:17] <JamesNZ> chromas: Heh.
[04:03:49] <juggs> A remake of Bladerunner now would ruin it - it would be all replicants doing slo-mo kung-fu gun wielding and explosions all over the place. It should be left to languish in its dark dystopian rainy gritty depressing way IMO.
[04:04:02] <juggs> Or did someone already remake it and I missed it?
[04:04:40] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[04:04:41] <monopoly> ^ 03Waffle Falling Over [Directed by Michael Bay] - YouTube
[04:08:39] <Lagg> juggs: They're remaking highlander so it wouldn't surprise me if they are.
[04:09:09] <chromas> There can't be another Highlander! There can only be one!
[04:09:20] <Lagg> I'd normally be okay with some kind of highlander reboot because of how badly they hurt the sequels but they're not going to do it like they did the first one because of aforementioned CGI circlejerking.
[04:09:25] <chromas> If they remake it then it'll have to kill the original
[04:09:42] <Lagg> chromas: If by that you mean there can be only one /good one/ then yes is accurate
[04:16:36] <SpallsHurgenson> duck... I took an acetaminophen instead of an ibuprofen; no wonder I still feel lousy
[04:17:22] * SpallsHurgenson considers mixing medications... what's the worst that could happen?
[04:17:56] <_NSAKEY> SpallsHurgenson: https://en.wikipedia.org
[04:17:56] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Death of Brandon Vedas: Brandon Carl Vedas (April 21, 1981 – January 12, 2003), also known by his nickname ripper on IRC, of Phoenix, Arizona, United States, was a computer enthusiast, recreational drug user and member of the Shroomery.org community who died of an overdose of prescription drugs while discussing what he was doing via chat and webcam. His death led to debate about the responsibilities and roles of online communities in l...
[04:18:17] <SpallsHurgenson> you're no fun.
[04:18:49] <chromas> online communities have no responsibilities!
[04:19:03] * chromas passes rum and guns around the room
[04:19:11] <Popeidol> I believe anything is acceptable as long as you live-tweet it
[04:19:12] <juggs> That was quick. Sometimes it's good to have the nsa around I guess. Their search-fu must be epically fast :D
[04:19:15] <Popeidol> irc is a different matter though
[04:21:12] <juggs> hey - this is live logged!
[04:21:36] <juggs> we could pipe Loggie to a tweet bot
[04:21:51] <chromas> You absolutely should do that
[04:22:13] <chromas> Except we don't mention poop enough
[04:22:25] <juggs> I'll recruit crutchy to do it :D muahahahaha
[04:22:45] <juggs> hmm Bender already has a tweet bot
[04:22:57] <chromas> or at least have a manual trigger
[04:23:03] <chromas> !tweet crutchy
[04:23:12] <chromas> if it worked like grab
[04:23:29] <juggs> I think if I just bend this arm to intersect with this orifice....
[04:23:49] <chromas> !twat 💩💩💩💩
[04:23:53] <juggs> ohh shit - Bender's grinning and throwing of arcs
[04:24:52] <chromas> Is NCommander still in HI? I heard they had a bit of a quake today
[04:24:57] <juggs> chromas, I'm thinking more just pipe #soylent to a twitter tag for no reason at all.
[04:25:09] <juggs> HI?
[04:25:12] <chromas> Hawaii
[04:25:19] <chromas> oh uh
[04:25:22] <chromas> Alaska
[04:25:28] <chromas> Whatever
[04:25:36] <chromas> AK
[04:25:41] <SpallsHurgenson> pretty much identical, easy to confuse
[04:26:04] <juggs> I think he's back in snowsville now, but I don't keep tabs.
[04:26:52] <chromas> Not sure why I was thinking Hawaii; I meant Alaska. Friend's sister lives there and mentioned it
[04:28:23] <juggs> he was around earlier and didn't mention it ~shurg~
[04:31:12] <swiss> https://www.trustedsec.com jesus, i'm lolling
[04:32:17] <Popeidol> oh good lord
[04:32:42] <swiss> that's soooooo good
[04:32:42] <Popeidol> that's a remarkably quick way to compromise a network
[04:32:44] <swiss> yeah
[04:32:52] <swiss> What? You have clients? SO DO I
[04:34:24] <Popeidol> there's a big internet company a few blocks from here
[04:34:38] <swiss> lol
[04:34:39] <ciri> heh
[04:34:40] <chromas> You should stop in and say hi
[04:34:41] <Popeidol> tempted to set up this openwrt router as a rogue dhcp server and quietly go plug it in
[04:34:56] <swiss> we were getting attacked so much at work for it
[04:35:06] <swiss> ATTACK OUR ASP.NET STUPID SITES WITH THIS, YESSSSS
[04:35:22] * juggs quietly kills off all dhcp
[04:35:43] <swiss> juggs: you have the one liner to check vuln, right?
[04:35:51] <swiss> env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo this is a test"
[04:36:28] <chromas> bash: warning: x: ignoring function definition attempt
[04:36:28] <chromas> bash: error importing function definition for `x'
[04:36:28] <chromas> this is a test
[04:37:24] <juggs> swiss, I do. My systems are fine. I can't break out to a shell on the piss ant router that is currently running my dhcpd for my LAN. Guess I will have to sack that off and move dhcpd to something more trusted.
[04:37:42] <juggs> or just go to statically assigned.
[04:37:47] <swiss> uh, pretty easy to get shells on routers
[04:37:55] <swiss> does it have a "ping" page?
[04:38:00] <swiss> to let you test pinging other machines?
[04:38:00] <juggs> newp
[04:38:09] <swiss> network tools or anything
[04:38:14] <juggs> one sec
[04:38:53] <juggs> It has cgi lol
[04:38:57] <juggs> e.g. http://192.168.1.254
[04:40:06] <chromas> I tried that for no reason (ip adjusted) and now the browser's stuck in a loop
[04:40:45] <juggs> yay! got reverse shell on chrome ass!
[04:40:49] <swiss> sounds like you can easily get root
[04:41:01] <swiss> juggs: did you get root on the router yet?
[04:41:07] <chromas> only does it when not logged in but the root password is in the login page
[04:41:14] <swiss> just stick som backticks in a field, and get some nc
[04:42:10] <juggs> swiss, newp. wtf does "get some nc" mean?
[04:42:17] <swiss> get some netcat
[04:42:33] <swiss> nc -l 510, then see if the port opens up
[04:42:57] <swiss> ping: `nc -l 510`
[04:45:10] <juggs> ehh - I'm newb at this. Where am I putting this - in any arbitrary field?
[04:45:24] <swiss> hunt for one that looks like they'll end up running it on a shell
[04:45:28] <swiss> like a ping tester
[04:45:31] <swiss> or a traceroute field
[04:46:25] <juggs> nothing of that sort available. User Management sounds promising
[04:49:28] <juggs> lol I broked something - all the config options died
[04:49:29] <ciri> HEHEHEHE
[04:58:50] <juggs> yep - I need to bin this thing - I just caused it to brain fart to apoplexy levels overloading entry fields a few times over.
[04:59:20] <juggs> Not related to the bash thing of course, but it's horribly fragile.
[05:00:02] * juggs bounces around like a demented dervish
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[05:00:32] <juggs> bang on time decbot
[05:00:42] <decbot> it's what I do
[05:00:58] <decbot> i might just be scripted that way
[05:01:52] <SpallsHurgenson> I just enable remote management on my routers so some smartie on the internet can log-on and fix the problem for me :)
[05:03:12] <SpallsHurgenson> what, not a good idea?
[05:04:13] <decbot> that reminds me of a story of somebody getting called by the "Virus Response Department at Microsoft"
[05:04:46] <decbot> So, he acted all concerned and let the guy remote into his desktop.
[05:05:07] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, I had a friend - an English professor - got hooked by those guys
[05:05:09] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, this thing is local in my lan and serves no purpose other than to dole out ips and act as a switch. I'm on an attack surface reduction mission I think. Not that it will help, it'll be some browser based bastard that gets me.
[05:05:51] <decbot> He watched the mouse move around and click some things. But the funniest part, they guy calling from India had no clue what to do with the Linux system he just remoted into
[05:08:08] <decbot> so, to prank the scammer from "Microsoft" a little further, he opened up a terminal on the desktop and started pinging & tracert'ing him. Needless to say, they scammer started freaking out.
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[05:12:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Diamond Nanothread Developed - http://sylnt.us - nanothreads-all-the-way-down
[05:15:54] <juggs> decbot, I have fun going to McDs - opening the laptop and simply opening a few terminal windows. run top, iotop, htop, whatever and leave it "accidentally" open to view. Ermagerd - he's hacking response ensues. ~sigh~
[05:22:01] <decbot> nice... I can just see continuously ‬piping /dev/null into the terminal would be pretty good. Especially if you randomly add some status messages like "WPA2 Cypher: SUCCESS!!" or "SELECT * FROM CIA_Watch_List WHERE ?="BOBBY DROPTABLE :: SUCCESS!!"
[05:23:53] <decbot> I'd like to be able to do that, but with my 13" screen, I wouldn't have any room left to work.
[05:30:10] <juggs> It doesn't seem to matter - as long as it's rolling text on the screen someone gets upset. Probably pipe /dev/urandom and someone would get upset. Only miscreants use white on black or green on black it seems. In public at least.
[05:32:44] <juggs> Put the same scrolling thing in a webpage with an image of a helpful person with a jauntily angled headset in the corner and no-one would care.
[05:33:03] <juggs> conditioning--
[05:33:03] <Bender> karma - conditioning: -1
[05:36:27] <decbot> They watch the nightly news, they've seen the matrix. They understand how threating walls of scrolling text is on a computer.
[05:38:10] * decbot pokes Bender
[05:38:21] <decbot> ++conditioning
[05:39:17] <decbot> conditioning--
[05:39:17] <Bender> karma - conditioning: -2
[05:39:31] <decbot> conditioning+=2
[05:39:33] <juggs> there's probably terrorists in the walls of text, so the text needs bombing. I need to think about this stuff less and go off and get stupidly rich.
[05:40:49] <decbot> get your official white hat USB stick from the government military complex, and now you're fighting cybercrime
[05:41:44] <decbot> poke around .gov sites, tell them it's not secure and then charged them $500 an hour to do so.
[05:42:08] <decbot> *charge them... I did not mean to call a daemon
[05:44:41] <decbot> well, I'm out. I've got to get some sleep before I threaten the world with walls of text tomorrow.
[05:45:04] <ar> decbot: i have 14" fullhd screen on my laptop. you can put plenty of nonsense on it and still have a lot of free space for work
[05:45:39] <decbot> ar: dell mini 9.... I can almost fit my cursor on that screen
[05:46:28] <ar> decbot: and when you use a tiling wm and do everything with keyboard, people think you're a hacker simply because you don't touch the touchpad
[05:46:54] <ar> (and i don't even have synaptics driver installed - i only use trackpoint on it, if anything)
[05:48:07] <decbot> ar: nice. One day I will be able to do the same. until then, one window, 80 char rows, 30 rows tall
[05:48:26] <decbot> at least it is full color
[05:50:12] <juggs> vt100 will rule
[05:50:38] <decbot> g'night everybody. I've got to go fix shit the FNG was supposed to fix at the customer site yesterday. yeah. sarcasm++
[05:51:28] <ar> juggs: have you ever actually used VT100?
[05:51:30] * juggs tentatively pokes _NSAKEY with a verrrry long stick
[05:52:21] <ar> juggs: want *at least* a vt220 for something usable
[05:54:33] <juggs> ar, yes, early in my working life I dicked about with serial line terminals on mentor pick systems. Local and modem connected.
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[05:55:42] * juggs has memories of soldering up connectors
[05:55:46] <swiss> juggs: it's more fun if you bring an ethernet cable
[05:55:49] <swiss> and drop it behind the atm
[05:55:56] <swiss> like, one end
[05:56:00] <swiss> and then the other end to your lappy
[05:57:31] <juggs> swiss, too many of our police are starting to be armed here. You know what new toys are like... gotta use em. I'm not liking this.
[06:00:53] <ar> http://twitpic.com http://twitpic.com shellshock + qmail :)
[06:00:54] <monopoly> ^ 03Twitpic - Share photos and videos on Twitter
[06:00:54] <monopoly> ^ 03Twitpic - Share photos and videos on Twitter
[06:04:31] <swiss> juggs: it happens
[06:08:49] <juggs> swiss, only if we let it. Violent crime in the UK is down year on year on year, yet now we see fit to start arming our police officers. Not cool with that. Not that anyone cares of course, they're too busy watching come on the latest celebrity on ice spectacular on their widescreens.
[06:09:37] <juggs> swiss, only if we let it. Violent crime in the UK is down year on year on year, yet now we see fit to start arming our police officers. Not cool with that. Not that anyone cares of course, they're too busy watching come on the latest celebrity on ice spectacular on their widescreens.
[06:09:43] <juggs> oops
[06:11:07] <swiss> heh
[06:11:26] <swiss> idk how i feel about UK's gun policy
[06:12:21] <juggs> why would you feel any way about it if you don't live here?
[06:17:03] <swiss> to decide whether I would enjoy living under those laws
[06:24:26] <Subsentient> I am personally for tighter gun restrictions, but NOT for banning private firearms ownership. It should be a felony to leave a gun near anyone under 18, and a rigorous mental health assesment as well as criminal background check should be required to purchase.
[06:24:45] <Subsentient> THe mental health thing coming from someone diagnosed SMI.
[06:24:50] <Subsentient> I can't deny the truth.
[06:26:00] <ar> Subsentient: that's what we have here in poland
[06:26:39] <swiss> i just siged up for a darpa challenge
[06:26:42] <swiss> team name: equivorous
[06:26:42] <ar> Subsentient: and on top of that, you need to know a big portion of some gun handling law
[06:26:43] <swiss> er
[06:26:47] <swiss> tam name is now 'Extreme Esquili of the Ethernet"
[06:27:33] <swiss> but systems like that tend to be abused I believe
[06:27:38] <swiss> (gun law)
[06:28:24] <juggs> police can only act after the fact. If some git is intruding - you pick up the phone and dial 111 or 911 or 999 - what has that achieved? There may or may not be police on the way.
[06:30:19] <swiss> but the number of accidents with gun vs number of lives saved with gun
[06:31:01] <juggs> citations
[06:32:12] <swiss> idk what the numbers are
[06:32:18] <swiss> that's the cocern i think
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[06:35:09] <juggs> so do the research. Last I checked legitimate gun owners aren't going around gunning down everyone in sight.
[06:37:33] <swiss> right right. I'm thinking "Fuck, home intruder" and they shoot someone they shouldn't
[06:37:36] <swiss> (dog)
[06:46:31] <juggs> And I'm thinking poorly trained police given a gun, in the heat of the moment, all adrenalined up, BANG. Police just shot something or or someone they shouldn't because they were too quick to draw arms. Bear in mind these are peeps who have been introduced to guns as they have to tasers and asps. Some poor git is going to end up shot.
[06:49:04] <Popeidol> 'poorly trained police' is going to be a problem, armed or not
[06:50:31] <swiss> ^
[06:51:21] <juggs> The UK doesn't understand gun discipline as guns have vanished and the police are drawn from the mighty unwashed. Arming current police is an accident waiting to happen.
[06:53:25] <Popeidol> It can be done okay
[06:53:30] <juggs> You don't reintroduce armed police on a whim - because "terrorism".
[06:53:31] <Popeidol> I don't really like the australian police being armed
[06:53:41] <Popeidol> but they actually use their guns quite rarely
[06:56:44] <juggs> why would the police need guns in a de-weaponised society? Sure have special armed units to deal with that. But why are we seeing re-arming of police forces where the populace is unarmed?
[06:57:19] <Popeidol> in the UK I'm not really sure, I don't know the gun ownership rates
[06:57:32] <Popeidol> but we're not completely disarmed over here
[06:57:38] <juggs> near to feck all
[06:58:22] <Popeidol> some guy in my state got himself shot in the leg a week ago because he was pointing a rifle at police after being asked not to
[06:58:52] <Popeidol> and I think the last death was a few states over where a man stabbed two officers before one of them pulled a gun on him
[07:00:06] <Popeidol> I'm still not comfortable with it, but some of those incidents I can sort of see why youd want them
[07:06:43] <juggs> no, not seeing the justification Popeidol. I have no idea why I am arguing this side of the fence, it's pointless trying to compare USvUKvAUS gun regs. Give me black and a losing position next time,
[07:08:44] <Popeidol> haha, and I'm struggling because I'm in two minds about the whole thing
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[07:09:47] <Popeidol> let's mark this one 'successful conversation' and go about our business
[07:11:31] * juggs knocks over king
[07:12:11] <juggs> ~shrug~ I'll rank up another day
[07:20:21] * juggs goes off to do something more productive - interpreting my mad dreams - that should sell well. I just need to learn to take notes as I sleep.
[07:30:25] <SirFinkus> I had an awesome pulp fiction type dream the other night
[07:31:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Kim Dotcom's Internet Party Fails to Enter New Zealand Parliament - http://sylnt.us - mindless-self-indulgence
[07:37:28] <crutchy> coffee++
[07:37:29] <Bender> karma - coffee: 851
[07:37:51] <chromas> botbug--
[07:37:51] <Bender> karma - botbug: -1
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[07:41:13] <ar> coffee--
[07:41:13] <Bender> karma - coffee: 850
[07:43:59] <crutchy> ooh who had decbot?
[07:44:12] <crutchy> moarbot!!
[07:46:03] <crutchy> ooh we been sharing photos of ourselfs have we?
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[07:48:52] <crutchy> chromas, do you have a pic of me?
[07:49:07] * crutchy didn't even realise he had a pic on the interwebz
[07:49:28] <crutchy> or maybe i just forgotted
[07:49:34] <chromas> you linked it awhile back and I looked at the rest of the site
[07:49:43] <crutchy> ah
[07:50:02] <crutchy> which pic just outta curiosity?
[07:50:12] <crutchy> i don't mind either way
[07:50:33] <crutchy> actually now that i think about it my missus prolly has pics of me on her fb
[07:50:47] <chromas> it's on her photo site
[07:51:18] <chromas> you on the beach with the kids and a hat
[07:51:29] <chromas> which confirms the stereotype that all aussies wear a hat
[07:51:52] <crutchy> ah. the pic of my arse
[07:51:59] <crutchy> forgot about that
[07:52:09] <chromas> crutchy link https://www.youtube.com
[07:52:10] <monopoly> ^ 03Waffle Falling Over [Directed by Michael Bay] - YouTube
[07:52:26] <crutchy> there's prolly one of my face somewhere. might be on a private fb page or something though
[07:52:33] <chromas> hm, are you hosting the site?
[07:52:48] <chromas> or maybe the host has a throttled connection
[07:52:48] <crutchy> lol
[07:52:50] <ciri> hehehe
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[07:53:02] <crutchy> i'm hosting the site yeah
[07:53:07] <crutchy> is it borked?
[07:53:14] * crutchy would not be surprised
[07:53:34] <chromas> it loaded the front page text but now it's got the little throbber
[07:53:41] <chromas> circlejerky++
[07:53:41] <Bender> karma - circlejerky: 1
[07:54:02] <chromas> anyway I think there was another that looked like it might be you
[07:54:20] <chromas> the site's really nice though; looks sharp and clean
[07:54:22] <chromas> crutchy++
[07:54:22] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 100
[07:54:30] <crutchy> lol websniffer captcha: Nancy ibuma
[07:54:31] <ciri> hehehe
[07:55:12] <chromas> should go throw everybody's pics up on their wiki pages >:D
[07:55:44] <crutchy> hmm seems to be up, but its only a 1mbps upload connection
[07:56:15] <crutchy> the thumbnails should all be fairly small. its got a pretty fancy little image manager thingy that i whipped up
[07:56:37] <chromas> the bot gets it too
[07:56:57] <chromas> maybe my browser needs a reboot
[07:57:27] <crutchy> maybe my isp needs a reboot
[07:58:12] <chromas> loads in firefox too
[07:58:13] <chromas> hm
[07:58:53] <chromas> yeah it's having a hard time looking at mrcoolbp's porch too
[08:00:33] <crutchy> mrcoolbp's porch?
[08:01:01] <chromas> on flickr
[08:01:34] <chromas> reboot fixed it. Mmm..berries
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[08:07:48] <chromas> You know, all the photos (and some videos) fly in the face of the fat-nerd-in-the-basement stereotype. That's just wrong
[08:13:09] * crutchy is trying by stuffing his face with dim sims and soy sauce
[08:13:19] <crutchy> or is that other way round
[08:15:26] <chromas> in Russia, dim sims and soy sauce stuff you?
[08:19:09] <crutchy> they're calling it the 'shellshock virus' (the bash exploit). wtf?
[08:19:48] <chromas> the shellshock redemption
[08:19:56] <crutchy> i didn't realize it was capable of self replication
[08:20:23] <chromas> I've heard shellshock but not the virus part
[08:20:47] <crutchy> maybe it compromised my pyewta from all the viagra emails i keep opening
[08:21:08] <systemd> See, now don't you all feel a little dumber using shell scripts everywhere? Come join me
[08:22:00] <crutchy> if i had only listened to bill gates and used windows instead :(
[08:22:15] <chromas> Nah, if you open all the viagra emails you should be fine; nobody can compromise your computer—it's too hard
[08:22:39] <crutchy> chromas, s/hard/'hard'/
[08:22:39] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> <chromas> Nah, if you open all the viagra emails you should be fine; nobody can compromise your computer—it's too 'hard'
[08:23:22] <crutchy> i'm an expert on hardening
[08:23:35] <crutchy> so is my wife :p
[08:24:07] <crutchy> and we're both brian!
[08:25:07] <chromas> I see 10,000 photos of Wash Brain Immediately playing but I don't see any groupies. What's going on?
[08:25:38] <chromas> mrgroupiebp?
[08:25:42] <crutchy> maybe brain is too dirty
[08:28:26] <crutchy> maybe there weren't enough power sockets for all the fans
[08:30:15] <crutchy> soysauce++
[08:30:15] <Bender> karma - soysauce: 1
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[08:32:52] * crutchy offers KonomiNetbook some chips soaked in soy sauce
[08:34:52] <Konomi> odd combo there
[08:35:54] <crutchy> its awesomesauce ;p
[08:36:42] <crutchy> ima gunna end up with a gut ache, but its worth it
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[09:41:48] <Konomi> crutchy: https://twitter.com
[09:41:49] <monopoly> ^ 03PoliticsAustralia on Twitter: "The world boycotts #JulieBishops speech at the #UN #ClimateSummit What a bloody nation...
[09:46:57] <crutchy> who the hell is julie bishop?
[09:47:50] <Konomi> our foreign ministor do you live under a rock ;p ?
[09:49:02] <crutchy> is the the one taking it up the arse from obummer?
[09:58:57] * crutchy offers KonomiNetbook some portello
[09:59:45] <chromas> ~define portello
[09:59:50] <exec> [wikipedia] 3Portello: Portello may refer to:
[09:59:56] <chromas> Ah
[10:00:38] <crutchy> http://en.wikipedia.org
[10:00:38] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Portello: Portello may refer to: ( http://en.wikipedia.org )
[10:00:47] <crutchy> ¿
[10:01:41] <chromas> Not protection?
[10:01:45] <chromas> Bot
[10:02:51] <crutchy> the wikipedia define needs work, but its a bit tricky cos the function that operates on it is generic and operates on all the other define sources too
[10:03:00] <crutchy> botection++
[10:03:00] <Bender> karma - botection: 1
[10:07:18] <chromas> Need a separate scraper for each one
[10:08:48] <chromas> Like mine, which also doesn't work ;)
[10:10:18] <crutchy> then i wouldn't be able to add them from irc
[10:10:46] <crutchy> even though its so complicated that i can never remember how to do it so i end up having to look at the source code :/
[10:11:12] <crutchy> ~define-source-add
[10:11:29] <crutchy> i can't even remember the alias
[10:12:01] <crutchy> ~define-source-edit
[10:12:01] <exec> syntax: ~define-source-edit host|name|port|uri|template|get_param|order|delim_start|delim_end|ignore|space_delim
[10:12:02] <exec> example: ~define-source-edit www.urbandictionary.com|urbandictionary|80|/define.php?term=%%term%%|%%term%%|term|1|<div class='meaning'>|</div>||
[10:13:11] <crutchy> ~define-source-edit goatse.cx|goatse.cx|80|/|||-1||||
[10:13:12] <exec> source "goatse.cx" inserted
[10:13:30] <crutchy> hmm i have nfi how that's gunna work
[10:13:38] <crutchy> ~define goatse
[10:13:39] <exec> goatse: unable to find definition
[10:13:52] <crutchy> ~define giver
[10:13:58] <exec> [wikipedia] 3Giver: The Giver is a 1993 American children's novel by Lois Lowry. It is set in a society which is at first presented as a utopian society and gradually appears more and more dystopian. The novel follows a...
[10:15:16] <chromas> ~hello.jpg
[10:15:27] <chromas> ~define hello.jpg
[10:15:28] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3hello.jpg: A picture of a man stretching his anus really really wide.
[10:15:47] <chromas> That away creative at all, ud
[10:15:53] <chromas> Wasn't
[10:16:43] <crutchy> ~define-source-edit debug on
[10:16:44] <exec> define: debug mode enabled
[10:16:50] <crutchy> ~define goatse
[10:16:51] <exec> debug [goatse.cx]: uri = "/"
[10:16:51] <exec> debug [goatse.cx]: html length = "0"
[10:16:51] <exec> debug [goatse.cx]: delim_start = ""
[10:16:51] <exec> debug [goatse.cx]: delim_end = "
[10:16:52] <exec> debug [www.urbandictionary.com]: uri = "/define.php?term=goatse"
[10:16:53] <exec> debug [www.urbandictionary.com]: html length = "0"
[10:16:53] <exec> debug [www.urbandictionary.com]: delim_start = "<div class='meaning'>"
[10:16:54] <exec> debug [www.urbandictionary.com]: delim_end = </div>"
[10:16:55] <exec> debug [cgibin.erols.com]: uri = "/ziring/cgi-bin/cep/cep.pl?_key=goatse"
[10:16:55] <exec> debug [cgibin.erols.com]: html length = "0"
[10:16:56] <exec> debug [cgibin.erols.com]: delim_start = "<dd><i>Description:</i> <ul><font size='-1'>"
[10:16:57] <exec> debug [cgibin.erols.com]: delim_end = <br>"
[10:16:58] <exec> debug [en.wikipedia.org]: uri = "/wiki/goatse"
[10:16:58] <exec> debug [en.wikipedia.org]: html length = "0"
[10:16:59] <exec> debug [en.wikipedia.org]: delim_start = "<p>"
[10:17:00] <exec> debug [en.wikipedia.org]: delim_end = </p>"
[10:17:01] <exec> debug [en.wiktionary.org]: uri = "/wiki/goatse"
[10:17:01] <exec> debug [en.wiktionary.org]: html length = "0"
[10:17:02] <exec> debug [en.wiktionary.org]: delim_start = "<p>"
[10:17:02] <crutchy> ~killall
[10:17:03] <exec> debug [en.wiktionary.org]: delim_end = </p>"
[10:17:04] <exec> debug [www.wolframalpha.com]: uri = "/input/?i=define%3Agoatse"
[10:17:05] <exec> debug [www.wolframalpha.com]: html length = "0"
[10:17:05] <exec> debug [www.wolframalpha.com]: delim_start = "context.jsonArray.popups.pod_0200.push( {"stringified": ""
[10:17:06] <exec> debug [www.wolframalpha.com]: delim_end = ","mInput": "","mOutput": "", "popLinks": {} });"
[10:17:07] <exec> terminated pid 6412: php scripts/bot.php 'new fagbot' '#' 'chromas'
[10:17:08] <exec> terminated pid 9643: php scripts/bot.php 'new buttpipe' '#' 'crutchy'
[10:17:08] <exec> terminated pid 12294: php scripts/definitions.php 'goatse' '~define'
[10:17:09] <exec> terminated pid 12534: php scripts/privmsg.php 'debug [www.wolframalpha.com]: html length = "0"' 'exec' '#Soylent'
[10:17:09] <exec> terminated pid 12539: php scripts/sed.php 'PRIVMSG debug [www.wolframalpha.com]: delim_start = "context.jsonArray.popups.pod_0200.push( {"stringified": ""' 'exec' '#Soylent' '~sed-internal' 'INTERNAL'
[10:17:10] <exec> terminated pid 12545: php scripts/privmsg.php 'debug [www.wolframalpha.com]: delim_start = "context.jsonArray.popups.pod_0200.push( {"stringified": ""' 'exec' '#Soylent'
[10:17:11] <exec> terminated pid 12547: php scripts/sed.php 'PRIVMSG debug [www.wolframalpha.com]: delim_end = ","mInput": "","mOutput": "", "popLinks": {} });"' 'exec' '#Soylent' '~sed-internal' 'INTERNAL'
[10:17:11] <crutchy> oh crap
[10:17:11] <exec> terminated pid 12555: php scripts/privmsg.php 'debug [www.wolframalpha.com]: delim_end = ","mInput": "","mOutput": "", "popLinks": {} });"' 'exec' '#Soylent'
[10:17:12] <chromas> That's a lot
[10:17:22] <crutchy> ~define-source-edit debug offf
[10:17:23] <exec> syntax: ~define-source-edit host|name|port|uri|template|get_param|order|delim_start|delim_end|ignore|space_delim
[10:17:24] <exec> example: ~define-source-edit www.urbandictionary.com|urbandictionary|80|/define.php?term=%%term%%|%%term%%|term|1|<div class='meaning'>|</div>||
[10:17:26] <crutchy> ~define-source-edit debug off
[10:17:27] <exec> define: debug mode disabled
[10:17:31] <crutchy> clear
[10:17:34] <crutchy> cls
[10:17:37] <crutchy> dammit
[10:18:04] <chromas> Need a #debug channel 😃
[10:18:27] <crutchy> should have been in #
[10:32:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How to Succeed in Silicon Valley Without Really Trying - http://sylnt.us - online-pet-food
[10:44:17] <chromas> From the one-weird-trick dept
[11:21:28] <crutchy> tmb is late
[11:21:46] <crutchy> ~time
[11:21:47] <exec> Friday, 26 September 2014 @ 9:21 pm GMT+10 - Traralgon VIC, Australia
[11:21:58] <crutchy> ~time TheMightyBuzzard
[11:22:00] <exec> Friday, 26 September 2014 @ 6:22 am CDT - Ada, OK
[12:01:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - TAILS Linux 1.1.2 Released - http://sylnt.us - nor-heads
[12:16:24] <crutchy> coffee++
[12:16:24] <Bender> karma - coffee: 851
[13:02:47] <paulej72> well I put up viagra and cialis filters on the submission form. this should limit the spam
[13:03:37] <paulej72> WIll also stop people submiting stories about that, but I am OK with it.
[13:11:36] <paulej72> coffee++
[13:11:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 852
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[13:22:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:22:53] <Bender> karma - coffee: 853
[13:36:29] <TK> Is Randal Munroe going to explain the bash vulnerability in a comic?
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[13:40:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Australian Senator Calls Internet Existential Threat - http://sylnt.us - better-run-better-take-cover
[13:49:27] <Blackmoore> well this ought to be fun today.
[13:49:56] <Blackmoore> the rum did not help. i hardly slept, the back is spasming, and i have a 12+ hour workday.
[13:53:13] <Blackmoore> on the plus side i see most of the readers liked the Noir.
[13:53:45] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[13:53:45] <Bender> karma - coffee: 854
[13:53:47] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[13:53:47] <Bender> karma - coffee: 855
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[14:02:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah alcohol doesn't help with muscle pain. only makes it worse for the dehydration.
[14:05:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[14:05:06] <Bender> karma - coffee: 856
[14:15:19] <Blackmoore> mm. you have a point i should have kept hydrating too.
[14:16:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> really only nsaids and opiates are worth a damn for muscle pain.
[14:19:18] <prospectacle> this http://www.avclub.com just me realise what a good old-school adventure game setting springfield would make
[14:21:36] <Landon> heh
[14:21:41] <Landon> it made a really good open world game
[14:21:59] <Landon> if only the physics of the engine weren't complete bullshit :)
[14:22:18] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
[14:22:19] <monopoly> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[14:22:24] <Konomi> and they said I was mad I tell you mad.
[14:24:22] <Blackmoore> wasnt muscle pain tho - it was spasms. i would think the alcohol would suppress the nerves and quiet them down.
[14:24:33] <Konomi> note: I don't use this anymore but it's older version was very handy in the pulse 2.0 days
[14:24:37] <Blackmoore> opiates or muscle relaxant would have been best.
[14:25:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'actually a brilliant bit of scripting.
[14:25:38] <Konomi> store_pulse_cmd() was a freaking nightmare
[14:25:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> quick, someone grab her and hold her down so we can chain her to the dev team!
[14:25:45] * Konomi runs for it
[14:26:48] <prospectacle> what does it do konomi?
[14:26:59] <Konomi> all in one make pulse befreakinghave again
[14:27:16] <Konomi> I don't use it anymore but a few close peeps still do and I decided the old version was a mess
[14:27:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, what we really need are a few people who can pick up 3+ of the low hanging fruit issues a month.
[14:27:50] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org <- before I knew any better
[14:27:51] <monopoly> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[14:28:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> we already got me n pj to do all the heavy lifting chained to our desks.
[14:29:12] <Konomi> I'm considering redoing some smail implementation of pm-utils some time
[14:29:30] <prospectacle> I see. Sounds useful, although I'm not familiar with pulse audio
[14:30:24] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org <- other project
[14:30:24] <monopoly> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[14:30:30] <Konomi> it's 3 files I couldn't be bothered doing 3 pastes
[14:35:29] <Konomi> in other news I found out some servers return a uri encoded content type string
[14:35:58] <Konomi> image%2Fpng is go
[14:36:25] <Konomi> I have to read over some mime type specs later to see if I am going to have my code say "FU invalid"
[14:40:04] <Konomi> back to reviewing this bash bug thingy
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[14:57:43] <Blackmoore> mornin n1
[14:59:23] <Blackmoore> Konomi: i was looking at the test line for the bash bug yesterday and the video "wat" came to mind.. for cripes sake who would implement code that way.. and that's how this kind of crud is missed.
[14:59:44] <Konomi> I would prefer the functionality to vanish ;p
[14:59:49] <Konomi> it's sloppy let alone a security risk
[15:00:18] <Blackmoore> if i was worth anything as a programmer I'd write a script to test out randoom combinations of commands.. that should not work.
[15:00:53] <Blackmoore> yes. stupid sloppy - which is why it wasnt caught
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[15:01:30] <TK> So has it been patched yet?
[15:01:45] <Konomi> it has
[15:01:52] <Konomi> both variants
[15:01:54] <TK> All the comments on patches I've seen have been followed by "except when you do this"
[15:01:55] <n1> afternoon, Blackmoore
[15:02:00] <TK> That's good news
[15:02:44] <Konomi> there's a lot of people scrambling to patch though
[15:02:53] <TK> oh I'm sure
[15:02:53] <Konomi> I feel sorry for the ones doing it for embedded devices
[15:06:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> i feel sorry for the me doing it on just a whole lot of servers and workstations
[15:06:48] <Konomi> heh ^^;
[15:07:54] <prospectacle> it's amazing this bug is so old
[15:09:13] <Konomi> it's amazing there wasn't a wide outbreak of compromises before it was found
[15:09:46] <prospectacle> It's like if websites were still outputting user input directly, without escaping the html special characters
[15:10:11] <prospectacle> konomi, the cynic in me thinks there probably was
[15:10:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> who says there wasn't? the TLA crowd don't make a habit of publicizing their successes.
[15:10:19] <prospectacle> if you've got a good exploit the last thing you want is for it to be noticed
[15:10:25] <Konomi> doubt it
[15:10:33] <Konomi> I read some articles on exploits for it
[15:10:38] <Konomi> most of this stuff gets logged
[15:10:40] <prospectacle> TLA?
[15:10:44] <Konomi> someone would've figured it out
[15:10:48] <prospectacle> oh i get it
[15:11:07] <Konomi> someone actually pointed me to a 2013 debian article on using it
[15:11:12] <Konomi> they just didn't realise it could be exploted
[15:11:31] <prospectacle> well the ancient greeks had the railroad and the steam engine, they just never put them together
[15:11:57] <prospectacle> things are so obvious is retrospect
[15:16:14] * n1 read that as ancient geeks
[15:17:11] <prospectacle> that's probably accurate. Who sits around tinkering with steam all day but geeks
[15:17:28] <TK> Personally, I'm glad we powered steam engines with coal instead of wood
[15:18:01] <Blackmoore> Yeah, i was wondering if my routers even run embedded linux last night, and was to tired/drunk to check
[15:18:33] <TK> Although some people (Canada) are making the move back to wood.
[15:19:11] <Blackmoore> the greeks steam "engine" wasnt capable of being used for propulsion. they didnt have the kind of metalurgy to pull off high pressure steam
[15:19:36] <Blackmoore> but they could have done a lot with low presure steam
[15:20:17] <prospectacle> they could have made coffee
[15:20:22] <prospectacle> that would have really got their brains going
[15:20:33] <prospectacle> then the metallurgy would be trivial
[15:21:30] <n1> heh
[15:23:48] <TK> If you could power a bellows with the existing steam engine, you might invent steel faster
[15:24:02] <prospectacle> Now you're thinking.
[15:24:06] <prospectacle> To the time machine!
[15:24:28] <TK> If I get to time travel, and think about it beforehand
[15:24:38] <TK> I'm bringing a full deisel generator
[15:24:56] <prospectacle> nope you come out the other end with nothing
[15:25:00] <prospectacle> haven't you see the terminator?
[15:25:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm bringing a .22 rifle and a couple thousand rounds.
[15:25:49] <TK> Then I'm going back to right before the NFL season starts, and betting on who I know will with the superbowl
[15:26:05] <TK> Then I'll use that money to invest in better time travel tech
[15:26:24] <prospectacle> "I need your toga, your sandals, and your aeolipile"
[15:26:35] <TK> prospectacle++
[15:26:35] <Bender> karma - prospectacle: 21
[15:27:17] <TK> Can I shove one of those mini maglights up my ass and take that with me?
[15:27:36] <TK> I mean, Arnold had a whole metal skelaton shoved up his ass
[15:27:46] <prospectacle> Yeah I reckon that would work then
[15:28:02] <prospectacle> it's prison rules
[15:28:11] <TK> prospectacle++
[15:28:11] <Bender> karma - prospectacle: 22
[15:28:27] <TK> I will rule the world with my light stick!
[15:28:43] <TK> and I suppose a laser pointer would be good to
[15:28:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> not just prison. "whatever is up your ass, you can damned well keep" is a pretty universal sentiment.
[15:28:49] <prospectacle> lol
[15:28:51] <ciri> i don't think it's that funny lol
[15:28:57] <prospectacle> ciri--
[15:28:58] <Bender> karma - ciri: 5
[15:29:15] <TK> If I can blind my enemies permanently, and from a good distance...
[15:29:36] <TK> How big are those kilowatt lasers that can melt things?
[15:29:38] <ciri> very carefully and then some
[15:29:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> lightsaber sized
[15:29:51] <TK> Hmmm
[15:29:57] <TK> This will take some practice
[15:29:59] <prospectacle> you can tall them photon torpedos and do an ancient kickstarter for whichever city state pays you the most to build a battery of them.
[15:30:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.wickedlasers.com
[15:30:07] <monopoly> ^ 03Wicked Lasers | Blue, Red, Green Laser Pointers
[15:30:14] <prospectacle> s/tall/call/
[15:30:14] <SedBot9000> <prospectacle> you can call them photon torpedos and do an ancient kickstarter for whichever city state pays you the most to build a battery of them.
[15:30:40] <TK> How difficult is it to make lead acid batteries from scratch?
[15:30:40] <ciri> you talking to me?
[15:30:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> extremely easy
[15:30:56] <TK> They had lead
[15:31:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> and acid
[15:31:06] <TK> I'm sure I can get some lemons
[15:31:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> vinegar++
[15:31:08] <Bender> karma - vinegar: 1
[15:31:14] <TK> true that
[15:31:30] <TK> Isn't there a third item?
[15:31:36] <TK> cathode, anode, electrolyte
[15:31:45] <prospectacle> copper?
[15:31:54] <prospectacle> dunno
[15:32:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> lead cathode and anode
[15:32:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> +electrolyte
[15:33:26] <TK> and copper is somewhat plentiful for cables
[15:33:47] <TK> I just need enough batteries to get me a dictatorship
[15:34:15] <prospectacle> dictatorships are only for emergencies and short periods
[15:34:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> generally you wanna use H2SO4 but you might be able to get away with another acid
[15:34:32] <TK> shhh, prospecticle
[15:34:38] <TK> This is for your own good
[15:35:27] <TK> So let's see
[15:35:28] <prospectacle> What you want is to run a theatre company, so your satire can sway the athenian voters on important issues
[15:35:39] <prospectacle> same as today
[15:36:54] <TK> I need to memorize construction of a lead acid battery, extruded copper, steel, and stretch my anus
[15:37:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> What you want is a .22 rifle and a couple thousand rounds of ammo. No need for popular support if they think you can kill any of them at a distance at will.
[15:37:48] <prospectacle> you will be as a god
[15:38:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> primitive screw-heads one n all
[15:38:14] <prospectacle> but then some hero trying to make a name for himself would think "he has to sleep sometime, and I'm very quiet and quick with my spear"
[15:38:33] <TK> and if I get ahold of his magic stick, I'll be the new god in town
[15:39:34] <TK> I can hide a laser under my toga
[15:39:57] <TK> I will also go down in history as the person who invented the sleeve
[15:40:00] <prospectacle> maybe a van-der-graf generator then you can zap people
[15:40:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> IIRC, togas were formal wear, equivalent to a suit today
[15:40:31] <prospectacle> graaf, I mean
[15:40:32] <AndyTheAbsurd> so probably not something that you'd wear all the time
[15:40:52] <prospectacle> anytheabsurd. maybe you wouldn't
[15:40:58] <prospectacle> j/k, I think you're right that sounds familiar
[15:41:34] <Blackmoore> I'd probably goof up and bring with my some type of common cold.. that wipes them out
[15:41:57] <Blackmoore> maybe i should go visit the babalonians
[15:42:14] <AndyTheAbsurd> Blackmoore: more likely something they've got would wipe you out. Do you even know if you've been vaccinated for smallpox?
[15:43:25] <prospectacle> also they'd be filthy, pretty much all time. Their immune systems would be something else
[15:44:03] <prospectacle> oops it's almost 2am. long weekend++
[15:44:31] <TK> New plan. Get HIV, start banging everybody in the past
[15:44:41] <prospectacle> wait what are we aiming for again?
[15:44:42] <TK> by the time it gets to the present, we'll all be immune to it
[15:44:55] <prospectacle> ah i see
[15:45:04] <prospectacle> plus all that banging
[15:45:06] <TK> Mostly banging
[15:45:16] <TK> But banging with purpose
[15:45:47] <prospectacle> for the common good
[15:47:36] <TK> it's far back enough that avoid the "I'm my own grandpa" problem
[15:47:50] <TK> Hmmm
[15:48:18] <TK> If you really want to change the present, get yourself a nice case of smallpox, then travel back to the Americas in 0 AD
[15:48:29] <prospectacle> true, but the massive change in survival distribution means no one from our history will have existed when you come back.
[15:48:30] <TK> Get that out of the way early
[15:48:41] <TK> I'm not coming back
[15:48:51] <TK> We've established this
[15:48:54] <TK> Terminator rules
[15:49:03] <prospectacle> oh yeah, silly me
[15:49:30] <prospectacle> so then who gives a fuck about which diseases the future is immune to? I mean aids isn't exactly wiping us out
[15:49:59] <TK> No, but we can cut down on "aids awareness" campaigns, so that's a plus
[15:50:10] <TK> Save air time for more important commercials
[15:50:18] <prospectacle> truly your sacrifice is a noble one
[15:50:31] <Blackmoore> AndyTheAbsurd: i'm old enough. i know i'm inoculated against small pox.. I am not well skilled with spear.
[15:51:44] <Blackmoore> Babylonians did have beer that included a number of anti-boitics. (or probiotics) they would shrug off a lot of infections.
[15:52:02] <TK> Sounds like an acquired taste
[15:54:15] <TK> Is there a way to go back, make the future a better place, and also live like a king/god?
[15:54:41] <prospectacle> take back newtons book
[15:55:12] <prospectacle> or I should say memorise it
[15:55:17] <TK> In greek
[15:55:24] <TK> and take it to the greeks?
[15:55:39] <prospectacle> yeah you better learn greek too, but if you don't you'll pick it up in a few weeks from immersion.
[15:55:42] <TK> They would also need to know what zero is
[15:55:58] <prospectacle> That's right, find a few of those philosophers with mathematical inclinations and explain the motion of heavenly bodies to them.
[15:56:19] <prospectacle> rig up a few experiments to prove your equations
[15:56:59] <prospectacle> you'll get sweet military contracts, or civil engineering, and science will be brought forwards a thousand years or so
[15:57:55] <n1> or find yourself branded as a heretic
[15:59:26] <prospectacle> yeah better not focus on the heavenly bodies I suppose. Just focus on mechanics
[16:00:30] <n1> i think you'd have to be very careful to make sure your 'innovations and inventions' don't disrupt the social norms and expectations of the time
[16:00:56] <n1> and introduce the concepts in very considered ways
[16:01:42] <prospectacle> yeah, get a job as a carpenter and gradually increase more sophisticated mechanisms into your furniture
[16:02:09] <prospectacle> start a franchise so they can't just "cut the head off" if the new movement starts to scare powerful people.
[16:02:14] <prospectacle> Upgrade to weapons and farming equipment
[16:02:30] <TK> As long as you're making weapons for the right people, you should be mostly fine
[16:02:34] <n1> i think the best approach would be leaving hints and suggestions around for innovators of the time to go beyond where they were already going.
[16:02:54] <TK> Just make sure you live in a nice walled-in city
[16:03:02] <prospectacle> sneak into their sheds and finish their projects while they're at the symposium
[16:03:10] <TK> A lot of those scraps get lost to history though
[16:03:15] <TK> Start a religion
[16:03:22] <TK> those things are nearly impossible to get rid of
[16:03:25] <n1> depends, TK, military generals of generations prior didnt mind sending thousands of their troops to their death, collateral damage didnt exist back then
[16:03:37] <TK> To some extent, sure
[16:03:50] <TK> But you have to be able to field enough soldiers for the next attack
[16:03:54] <prospectacle> yeah don't be a soldier
[16:03:59] <prospectacle> in pretty much any time period
[16:04:01] <TK> That's kind of a given
[16:04:08] <prospectacle> not a good path to fortune and comfort
[16:04:23] <n1> you also dont want to be the target of someone elses soldiers
[16:04:26] <Blackmoore> Steam powered gatling gun.
[16:04:40] <TK> You need stamping equipment for that
[16:04:41] <Blackmoore> or steam power spear chucker
[16:04:51] <TK> How difficult is vulcanization?
[16:05:06] <TK> Can a rubber band powered arrow launcher be made?
[16:05:07] <Blackmoore> i would need a lathe. (and wood lathe is easy)
[16:05:22] <TK> When was the lathe invented?
[16:05:31] <prospectacle> just after you arrived
[16:05:31] <Blackmoore> prety early
[16:06:00] <Blackmoore> you just have to put a block of wood in a clapm with a pivot at both ends
[16:06:19] <Blackmoore> you can spin it with a foot pedal and a piece of twine
[16:06:44] <Blackmoore> or a nice tall but young sapling
[16:07:10] <prospectacle> maybe go back and invent the structural screw and the screwdriver
[16:07:35] <Blackmoore> yep. those are easy and extremely useful
[16:08:51] <TK> They had water wheels
[16:09:22] <TK> Take a tall straight grained tree and turn it into a shaft
[16:09:58] <TK> Get some hemp rope or leather belts, and you've got yourself a factory
[16:10:16] <TK> for arrows or furniture
[16:10:32] <TK> or pottery
[16:10:58] <prospectacle> nice one
[16:11:37] <prospectacle> what about a manual sewing machine. Hard for competitors to replicate, worth a lot of money probably
[16:12:02] <n1> speaking from personal experience, trying to teach basic modern construction techniques, in the developing world (for efficiency, cost effective and better finish)
[16:12:10] <n1> "thats not how we do it here"
[16:13:46] <Blackmoore> yeah n1 you really do hit a TON of that.
[16:14:18] <Blackmoore> you'd have to basically Force a group to pull it off.
[16:14:20] <n1> i ended up giving up, because after trying and trying, it doesnt go anywhere, maybe one or two people take things onboard
[16:14:48] <n1> another person who was working in the same place as me, had a team of people working for him, had to tell them every single job how things were supposed to be done
[16:14:53] <prospectacle> yeah you'd have to only teach people who wanted to change, cause they saw you making fat stacks
[16:14:54] <n1> and they worked with him for years
[16:15:05] <n1> but the one day he didnt instruct on the method, they'd go back to the old way.
[16:15:12] <prospectacle> wow
[16:15:15] <Blackmoore> wow
[16:15:29] <n1> and doing work on their own homes, they would also not use anything they learned at work
[16:15:59] <TK> and that's why you need the laster
[16:16:06] <n1> prospectacle, the people i found willing to learn and change, were people already educated in their trade in another country
[16:16:17] <TK> laser*
[16:16:31] <n1> anyone locally trained, did not want outside influence and took it as an insult in many ways
[16:16:33] <TK> You have to appear to be magic
[16:16:59] <n1> then you're a heretic or demon possessed or something
[16:17:03] <n1> witchcraft
[16:17:38] <prospectacle> yeah one day I want to write a fantasy where the "Wizards" just have cool old technology and tricks, like static electricity, exothermic chemical reactions, explosive powder, and sleight of hand.
[16:17:43] <TK> witches are the ones that you can catch
[16:17:51] <TK> gods are the ones that kill you and fuck your wife
[16:18:34] <Landon> prospectacle: read larry niven's magic books?
[16:18:40] <TK> Well I guess king Solomon did that too
[16:18:43] <prospectacle> landon, no, similar idea?
[16:18:51] <Landon> not 100% what you were going after
[16:18:58] <Landon> but magic as a finite resource, strict laws it follows
[16:19:15] <Landon> (example, one wizard created an infinitely spinning disk, thereby making the surrounding region barren of magic)
[16:19:26] <prospectacle> interesting
[16:19:47] <TK> Is that finite power, or finite energy?
[16:19:49] <AndyTheAbsurd> That's "The Magic Goes Away", right? Kinda hard to find these days, no?
[16:19:56] <Landon> yup, andy
[16:20:06] <prospectacle> I probably should have bought more at the charity bookfair they had on recently. Day one had lots of sets, cling-wrapped together for about 10 bucks
[16:20:10] <Landon> TK: I think energy
[16:20:23] <TK> so the disk will eventually stop spinning
[16:20:27] <Landon> there's a sequel I think set in the future where the entire world is pretty drained
[16:20:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> also, the Warlock's Wheel was ENCHANTED to spin infinitely - but it didn't, which is how The Warlock knew that manna was finite.
[16:20:28] <Landon> yep
[16:20:54] <TK> Where does magic come from in the first place? Is it like petrochemicals?
[16:20:55] <prospectacle> got some star trek, which is nice but when you read about them measuring a plasma storm and then the computer console sparks and smokes, you're like "Why aren't your external measuring devices separate from your consoles?"
[16:20:55] <ciri> hmmm thats a good question TK
[16:21:03] <Landon> TK: dead unicorns
[16:21:07] <Landon> and fairies
[16:21:09] <Landon> millions of years ago
[16:21:12] <Landon> congealed into liquid gold
[16:21:22] <TK> Unicorn Gasoline (TM)
[16:21:33] <TK> The only fuel worth burning!
[16:21:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> if you want to find, Larry Niven will probably be on IRC a week from tomorrow. irc.larryniven.net, channel #knownspace.
[16:21:45] <AndyTheAbsurd> s/find/find out/
[16:21:45] <SedBot9000> <AndyTheAbsurd> if you want to find out, Larry Niven will probably be on IRC a week from tomorrow. irc.larryniven.net, channel #knownspace.
[16:21:56] <Landon> oh, you're thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat guy
[16:22:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> what's really amusing is that he isn't very good at using computers. Not what you'd expect from a sci-fi author.
[16:23:42] <Landon> heh
[16:23:46] <Landon> the GRRM of scifi
[16:24:09] <TK> Raise your hand if you've been in a high-level science or engineering classroom where the decorated professor had trouble getting powerpoint to work
[16:24:20] <AndyTheAbsurd> wow, didn't realized that Apple tried to make an iCamera so early: http://money.cnn.com
[16:24:21] <monopoly> ^ 03Take my camera, please - Amazon's Fire Phone and 7 other epic gadget flops - CNNMoney
[16:24:21] <Landon> you know what's mind boggling thoguh
[16:24:29] <Landon> I've never been in a class where they haven't had trouble with projectors
[16:24:37] <Landon> we've had how long to get projectors easy to use?
[16:24:37] <TK> Ironic? yes. Amusing? no.
[16:30:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Edward Snowden to Share the 2014 Right Livelihood Award - http://sylnt.us - deafening-silence
[16:30:49] <prospectacle> anyone see the colbert report about the groundhog? I've never seen a more appropriate use of that intense rodent-stare/turn to the camera viral video
[16:33:59] <prospectacle> well it's 230 am, it's been real people. Have a good one.
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[16:37:56] <Blackmoore> gnight prospectacle
[17:51:41] <Blackmoore> is it wrong to promote women to conceal carry? I'm just suggesting that they dont let themselves be victims of rape.
[17:52:37] <Blackmoore> After all; if the bastard that was going to rape them wasnt dressed that way; he could have just shrugged off a small caliber round right?
[17:53:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> 96% of sexual assaults and rapes are by people without guns. so if the woman has a gun she's nearly certain to not be raped. i'd say it's just bloody good sense.
[17:56:30] <TK> Make a line of designer holsters
[17:57:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> just teach your daughters to defend themselves same as you do your sons.
[17:57:03] <TK> Get an attractive starlet or musical personality to promote them
[17:58:52] <Blackmoore> and of the other 4% the rapist is a cop; and you know he aint gonna get prosecuted.
[17:59:34] <Blackmoore> ok, the logic is sound. now to start the chaos.
[18:11:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Walter "Scorpion" O'Brien and TV Tall Tales - http://sylnt.us - Babe-the-Big-Blue-Ox
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[20:02:22] <Blackmoore> Can we have a tale tales contest? see if we can nominate someone to take on Walter?
[20:13:39] <Landon> huh
[20:13:41] <Landon> dual cores are a thing again
[20:13:42] <Landon> neat
[20:13:46] <Landon> Pentium G3258
[20:13:53] * Landon is doing a budget build for the mrs
[20:14:02] <Landon> that + a chromebook to replace an ailing MBP
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[21:02:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - U.S. Broadband Ranking Slips Again - http://sylnt.us - striving-for-customer-satisfaction
[21:11:28] <Blackmoore> woo! how soon before 3rd world countries have faster wireless services than our land lines?
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[21:22:25] <chromas> And do our landmines run bash?
[21:22:30] <chromas> oops, lines
[21:22:39] <mythterj> Anybody know what inbound udp port 33445 attempts are? My firewall is blocking on of those every 6 seconds from various IPs
[21:25:14] <chromas> traceroute?
[21:29:53] <mythterj> Seems way to much traffic for that, unless its automated by some skriptkiddie for some reason.
[21:30:19] <chromas> inspect the packets; maybe they're looking to bash your box
[21:31:43] <mythterj> I'd have to not drop them in order to inspect them, wouldn't I? Length varies but 362 seems common.
[21:34:46] <chromas> How about that; I'm getting 7881 and 6881s
[21:35:14] <mythterj> Ya, well, DUN! ;-)
[21:35:31] <mythterj> DUH not DUN.
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[21:35:51] <chromas> DUN DUN!
[21:36:47] * chromas remembers classic L&O, where the cops had other excuses than "there's a rapist or pedophile around every corner"
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[22:20:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Is ShellShock Dangerous, or Just Hype? - http://sylnt.us - you-can't-handle-the-truth
[22:22:59] <crutchy> duh! didn't you you know its a virus now!? cos the media says so it must be true. think of the children people! THE CHILDREN!!!!!
[22:23:59] * chromas gives tama the buttbash virus
[22:24:58] <crutchy> it probably came from africa, cos they're always having unprotected sex there. lucky bastards
[22:27:18] <chromas> it's why god invented the period
[22:27:38] <crutchy> .
[22:28:00] <chromas> I think you mean 05.
[22:28:17] <crutchy> tama, 'shellshock and awe' is how murica is going to beat the terrorists
[22:28:31] <chromas> .au
[22:28:34] <chromas> classic file formats
[22:28:45] <crutchy> .ew
[22:29:00] <crutchy> 04.ew
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[23:32:32] <chromas> palemoon-- # for resetting mimetype actions on upgrade
[23:32:32] <Bender> karma - palemoon: 0
[23:41:16] <Blackmoore> so burned out.. cant feel feet..
[23:42:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FBI Director Concerned about Encryption on Smartphones - http://sylnt.us - partners-in-crime
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[23:56:14] <chromas> from the boo-hoo dept
[23:56:49] <chromas> Where's that 'Indian' with the teardrop? Need that for the last story
[23:58:11] <chromas> http://www.mobfd.biz