#Soylent | Logs for 2014-09-24

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[00:50:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Physicists Teleport Quantum State of Photon to Crystal over 25 Kilometers. - http://sylnt.us - rest-of-the-person-will-teleport-along-shortly...
[01:01:24] <SpallsHurgenson> the power of crystals proves itself once again!
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[01:42:47] <SpallsHurgenson> has anyone ever noticed that Monty Python is rather silly?
[01:44:36] <juggs> say it ain't so! I thought they produced cutting edge documentaries. Next you'll be telling me there are no killer rabbits! pfft
[01:46:54] <SpallsHurgenson> you don't remember the lagomorph assassination attempt against president carter?
[01:48:25] <SpallsHurgenson> which of course in resulted in America's War Against Rabbits (although some say this was just another excuse to continue funding the military-industrial complex)
[01:50:30] <juggs> Hmm, I thought is was Australia that had a war on rabbits. Perhaps I'm misremembering and we have in fact always been at war with East Lagomorphalia :/
[01:51:57] <SpallsHurgenson> the Australian government SAYS they are at war against the rabbits, but it turns out they are just really drunk
[01:52:52] <SpallsHurgenson> I know this is true because I've never visited Australia.
[01:53:49] <Popeidol> the rabbits are drunk?
[01:53:52] <Popeidol> that explains quite a lot
[01:54:31] <SpallsHurgenson> as far as I can tell - being an expert on Australia as I am - /everybody/ on Australia is drunk
[01:57:10] <Popeidol> fair summation of the situation
[01:57:35] <Popeidol> though it's only 10am where I am so I'm at best quite tipsy
[01:59:20] <SpallsHurgenson> see? and you doubted my credentials!
[02:01:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - U.S. Airstrikes Begin in Syria - http://sylnt.us - death-from-above
[02:12:56] <SpallsHurgenson> America has all the best toys... and uses 'em so poorly
[02:13:50] <SirFinkus> http://en.wikipedia.org
[02:13:53] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Emu War: Emu WarAn emu (Dromaius novaehollandiae)Date2 November - 10 December 1932LocationCampion district, Western AustraliaResultSee AftermathBelligerentsAustraliaEmusCommanders and leadersSir George PearceMajor G.P.W. MeredithUnknownStrengthSeventh Heavy Battery, Royal Australian ArtilleryOne truckSeveral thousandCasualties and lossesNone1500+ claimedThe Emu War, also known as the Great Emu War,[1] was a nuisance wildl...
[02:20:29] <chromas> infobox--
[02:20:29] <Bender> karma - infobox: -1
[02:26:04] <SpallsHurgenson> heheh, even though the men were armed with the machine guns, the emus won the first battle :)
[02:28:08] <SpallsHurgenson> despite some losses, they ultimately won the war, and now Australia lies beneath the tyrannical claw of its emu overlords
[02:28:25] <juggs> I particularly like the "The Emu command had evidently ordered guerrilla tactics,...." quote :D
[02:28:43] * SpallsHurgenson shows off more of his mastery of Australian history
[02:30:53] <Popeidol> one of my favourite parts
[02:32:01] <juggs> clearly an ornithologist with a sense of humour - what with that and working in "crestfallen"... good work
[02:36:04] <SirFinkus> it probably isn't as funny anymore, I linked the version with the battle infobox
[02:39:50] <juggs> more than likely - I ended up doing what always happens on wiki - reading about something tangentially related, before long I'll be reading about something completely unrelated and wondering how I got there
[02:40:42] <SpallsHurgenson> beware the wiki-walk
[02:41:09] <SpallsHurgenson> tv-tropes is almost as bad (rots your brain more, though)
[02:42:48] <juggs> don't think I ever visited tv-tropes ~shrug~
[02:43:09] <SpallsHurgenson> don't do it. it's not worth it. nothing good there. you won't like it. stay away.
[02:43:42] <juggs> fair enough
[02:44:08] <SpallsHurgenson> gwah, paypal is partnering with bitpay. there's another payment method I won't touch with a ten-foot pole, I guess
[02:48:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're still doing bitpay separate from paypal
[02:49:04] <SpallsHurgenson> hush, let me bitch and moan :)
[02:49:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, right then
[02:49:33] <SpallsHurgenson> no, now it's too late. You've ruined the mood with your facts and logic again
[02:49:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> too much spock in my formative years
[02:50:08] * juggs sweeps up the feathers ~again~
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[03:10:42] <mrcoolbp> SpallsHurgenson: kinda funny that they are partering with bitpay, as TMB pointed out, now paypal will take a chunk from the receiver of money, with us we get 100% = )
[03:10:53] <mrcoolbp> (as we are going directly to bitpay)
[03:11:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, paypal can do its lil paypal thing over there.
[03:19:34] <mrcoolbp> we go right to the source, and thanks to TMB's mad coding skillz, we'll soon be getting 100% of payments from those that choose to use bitcoin
[03:20:06] <mrcoolbp> rather then 96% or whatever we get from paypal payments
[03:27:42] * mrcoolbp ding-dong-ditches arti
[03:51:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Research Study Analyzes the Best Exercise for Obese Youths - http://sylnt.us - does-lifting-a-donut-count?
[03:58:04] <SpallsHurgenson> I miss donuts
[04:06:05] <swiss> do you know what I do when I miss donuts?
[04:06:10] <swiss> go buy donuts
[04:06:18] <swiss> they have wonderful pumpkin ones in albertsons right now
[04:07:07] <juggs> how's the biking going swiss?
[04:07:16] <swiss> wonderful
[04:07:24] <SpallsHurgenson> pumpkins are made for carving, not eating
[04:07:24] <swiss> just shelled out lots of money for ninja 636 headlights
[04:08:44] <juggs> pimp that ride :D
[04:10:47] <swiss> they're projector headights that are a lot brighter
[04:10:53] <swiss> never hurts to be seen when you're on a bike :P
[04:12:44] <SpallsHurgenson> unless you are being chased by real ninjas
[04:13:08] <juggs> aye. helps to turn night to day on unlit back roads too. Seem to remember swapping out my one 50/55W headlight for dual 100/110W headlights on my elsie back in the day. Made a massive difference.
[04:14:17] <swiss> SpallsHurgenson: well, i doubt my lighting would be a concern
[04:18:07] * SpallsHurgenson has an image of swiss zooming down a darkened road, twenty or more assassins chasing after him on black motorcycles.
[04:22:22] <juggs> is angelina jolie or cameron diaz involved in some way? And why would it require 20+ assassins to take out swiss? Is the first forming of some nascent SN parody action movie?
[04:27:25] <SpallsHurgenson> yes, we're optioned with paramount
[04:30:21] <juggs> is that a good thing?
[04:31:23] <SpallsHurgenson> they promised us 10% of gross profits :)
[04:32:15] <juggs> that'll be a negative amount once the accountants get done I'm sure :)
[04:33:15] <swiss> lol
[04:33:16] <ciri> heh
[04:59:58] <arti> el oh el
[05:00:49] * arti increments the channel log by one
[05:01:26] <juggs> well done you!
[05:02:02] <arti> i do think so, too.
[05:02:11] * arti raises glass to juggs
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[05:05:36] <juggs> salute!
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[07:22:59] <crutchy> coffee++
[07:22:59] <Bender> karma - coffee: 839
[07:25:43] <crutchy> Bender, s/Desktop/Turnoff/
[07:26:11] <crutchy> sedbot
[07:26:27] <crutchy> ah crapé
[07:27:25] <crutchy> s/a/u/
[07:27:25] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> uh crapé
[07:27:33] <crutchy> ooh there we go
[07:27:52] <crutchy> sedbot
[07:27:54] <crutchy> hmm
[07:28:00] <crutchy> systemd
[07:28:04] <crutchy> SedBot9000
[07:28:24] <crutchy> sexbot
[07:28:24] * SedBot9000 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[07:28:27] <crutchy> ah
[07:29:32] <crutchy> oh thats why it didn't work. stupid karma
[07:40:52] <chromas> x
[07:40:55] <chromas> s/x/s/
[07:40:55] <SedBot9000> <chromas> s
[07:41:09] <chromas> weird
[07:42:21] <swiss> so the center pin in my laptop snapped off
[07:42:24] <swiss> and now i need to solder a new power jack on it
[07:42:27] <swiss> i hate being me right now
[07:47:52] <chromas> your laptop jacked off?
[07:48:05] <swiss> basically
[07:53:33] <crutchy> my wife's laptop jacked off. i think cos she keeps pulling and fiddling with it
[08:10:06] <chromas> did she get anything out of it?
[08:10:18] <chromas> Maybe it popped a disc
[08:10:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - History of the Synthesizer - 50 Years - http://sylnt.us - rhymes-with-"rogue"
[08:10:37] <chromas> Bender: s/s/th/g
[08:10:37] <SedBot9000> <chromas> <Bender> [SoylentNewth] - Hithtory of the Synthethizer - 50 Yearth - http://thylnt.uth - rhymeth-with-"rogue"
[08:11:00] <chromas> Bender: s/[sS]/th/g
[08:11:00] <SedBot9000> <chromas> <Bender> [thoylentNewth] - Hithtory of the thynthethizer - 50 Yearth - http://thylnt.uth - rhymeth-with-"rogue"
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[08:21:38] <crutchy> coffee++
[08:21:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 840
[08:29:17] <swiss> coffee--
[08:29:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 839
[08:29:31] <swiss> gotta keep them drugs in check
[08:29:47] <chromas> three separate coffee trolls
[08:31:17] <crutchy> wow 7201 comments scraped :)
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[08:32:22] <prospectacle> hello
[08:32:22] <ciri> hello prospectacle
[08:32:36] <idetuxs> what's the deal with that coffee thing?
[08:32:38] <idetuxs> Hi
[08:32:38] <ciri> hello, nice to see yea! idetuxs
[08:32:46] <idetuxs> =D
[08:32:57] <idetuxs> Hi ciri, how are you
[08:33:32] <idetuxs> xD
[08:34:22] <crutchy> coffee++ # is the holiness of grail-shaped beacons
[08:34:23] <Bender> karma - coffee: 840
[08:35:03] <crutchy> ciri is a real boy
[08:35:05] <chromas> bacon beacon
[08:35:26] <prospectacle> i think obama may be right that we're the first generation to really feel the effects of climate change, but I don't think we're the last generation who can do something about it. I think that was the previous generation.
[08:35:47] <idetuxs> I assumed that
[08:36:12] <crutchy> i think obama is an idiot, but the gop is no better
[08:36:21] <prospectacle> well I mean we can do something in the long run, but we're too late to prevent major changes
[08:36:36] <crutchy> being an idiot is a prerequisite for entering politics
[08:37:06] <idetuxs> a liar
[08:37:12] <idetuxs> ciri
[08:37:24] <prospectacle> crutchy: s/being/sounding reasonable to/
[08:37:24] <SedBot9000> <prospectacle> <crutchy> sounding reasonable to an idiot is a prerequisite for entering politics
[08:37:56] <idetuxs> hahaha that was nice
[08:38:04] <crutchy> well, i guess an idiot would sound pretty reasonable to another idiot
[08:38:55] <idetuxs> politians don't know if they are idiots, but evil for sure
[08:39:29] <crutchy> politicians are too stupid to be evil. they are puppets for smarter people who are evil though
[08:40:16] <crutchy> smart people don't enter politics, just to cop endless abuse from the media and public. they prefer to remain in the shadows
[08:40:53] <prospectacle> crutchy, probably, also politicians, even if they start out smart, have no time for reflection as they're in partisan rhetorical battles day in day out
[08:40:53] <crutchy> so they can enjoy the spoils without being bugged
[08:41:30] <prospectacle> yeah i wouldn't be a politician, not under this kind of system
[08:41:51] <crutchy> it would be a pretty hard and thankless job
[08:42:37] <idetuxs> that hard?
[08:42:57] <crutchy> they do get some perks, so its prolly better than being a telemarketer
[08:42:59] <prospectacle> anyway gotta go out for a bit, bbl
[08:43:06] <idetuxs> bb
[08:43:07] <crutchy> see ya matey
[08:43:28] <crutchy> how are ya idetuxs?
[08:43:28] <ciri> you talking to me?
[08:43:38] <crutchy> ciri, go chew on a boner
[08:43:38] <idetuxs> around here most politicians are multi-millionare bastards
[08:44:06] <idetuxs> I'm good, studying for a test i have in a couple of hours
[08:44:07] <crutchy> yeah i guess corruption is pretty rife nowadays
[08:44:13] * chromas gives a chewable boner to tame
[08:44:13] <crutchy> a test?
[08:44:44] <idetuxs> yes, a college test, how do you call it?
[08:44:48] <crutchy> ~g'day chromas
[08:45:13] <crutchy> ah. what subject, if i may ask?
[08:45:27] <idetuxs> Hi chromas
[08:45:30] <monopoly> ~g'day crutchy
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[08:45:34] <idetuxs> yes sure, propositional logic
[08:45:38] <chromas> hi idetuxs
[08:45:39] <crutchy> stupid bot
[08:45:42] <monopoly> ~g'day crutchy
[08:45:43] <exec> * monopoly insubordinately passes a tinfoil hat of NCommander to crutchy
[08:45:49] <crutchy> yumy
[08:45:55] <crutchy> s/m/mm/
[08:45:55] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> yummy
[08:46:34] * crutchy wonders if nc has exec ignored
[08:47:22] * crutchy has exec set to not highlight at least
[08:50:14] <idetuxs> I'v got to keep up the studying :P
[08:50:25] <crutchy> haf fun :)
[08:50:33] <idetuxs> thanks crutchy
[08:50:37] <idetuxs> see yya
[08:50:44] <crutchy> i have tried to bury the memories of years of study
[08:50:55] <idetuxs> what did you study?
[08:51:04] <crutchy> engimineering
[08:51:26] <idetuxs> lots of math
[08:51:42] <crutchy> yeah, but thats ok. maths is fun
[08:52:03] <idetuxs> crutchy: s/maths/math
[08:52:14] <idetuxs> lol tried it at least
[08:52:28] <idetuxs> i remember the debate in xkcd about math/maths
[08:52:31] <crutchy> hmm usually spits the dummy when you forget a trailing /
[08:52:35] <crutchy> bad sedbot!
[08:52:47] <crutchy> chromas, you should spank your monkey
[08:52:49] <idetuxs> huu cool, got it
[08:52:50] <crutchy> i mean your bot
[08:53:00] <idetuxs> ^^
[08:53:03] * chromas puts spunk in tama
[08:53:12] <crutchy> yummy
[08:53:39] <idetuxs> so, engineering in what subject
[08:54:00] <crutchy> aerospace
[08:54:20] <idetuxs> oh, rocket science!
[08:54:25] <idetuxs> :P
[08:54:54] <crutchy> yeah i guess sorta. unfortunately not much spacey stuff in australia though
[08:55:05] <crutchy> worked in civil aviation for a few years
[08:55:19] <idetuxs> that's really interesting :). Didn't you get to travel abroad?
[08:55:27] <crutchy> nah
[08:55:48] <crutchy> didn't really want to. there was a big international program at uni though
[08:55:57] <crutchy> lots of guys went to germany and US
[08:55:57] <idetuxs> I'm studying CS, so probably will do some intership somewhere else
[08:56:32] <idetuxs> cool
[08:56:42] * crutchy would like to study CS. not sure if i can give the time to it though :/
[08:58:04] <idetuxs> Try it
[08:58:15] <crutchy> might butcher my stupid bot for a while. that's my CS :p
[08:58:21] <crutchy> ~part
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[08:58:25] <chromas> crutchy: you're already in SoylentCS
[08:58:42] <crutchy> lol but soylentCS is all perl
[08:59:52] <chromas> Nah, it's bring-your-own language
[08:59:57] <crutchy> php has been relegated to the mouldy corner near the drain
[09:00:15] <chromas> We're all here learning from each other in a huge bot circlejerk :D
[09:00:28] <crutchy> pascal++
[09:00:28] <Bender> karma - pascal: 25
[09:00:33] <idetuxs> :D
[09:00:38] <chromas> pascal++
[09:00:38] <Bender> karma - pascal: 26
[09:00:40] <chromas> delphi++
[09:00:40] <Bender> karma - delphi: 19
[09:01:01] <idetuxs> haskell+
[09:01:03] <crutchy> delphi++ # might be doing a bit of this at work in a few weeks
[09:01:03] <Bender> karma - delphi: 20
[09:01:09] <crutchy> ooh haskell
[09:01:14] <idetuxs> haha
[09:01:19] <crutchy> arti would be interested to talk to you
[09:01:54] <idetuxs> :) I like haskell pretty much, still learning though
[09:02:02] <crutchy> i think i wrote one line of haskell as a little proof of concept script for my stupid bot
[09:02:29] <crutchy> main = putStrLn "hello from haskell\n"
[09:02:41] <crutchy> ^^^ the entirety of my haskell experience
[09:02:59] <idetuxs> hahaha :P
[09:03:22] <idetuxs> what about C
[09:03:55] <idetuxs> shoot!
[09:04:02] <crutchy> i did a uni elective in C and got a high distinction. i also have pohl's "a book on C" but haven't done it for a while
[09:04:04] * idetuxs see's the time
[09:04:06] <crutchy> study!?
[09:04:10] <idetuxs> yess
[09:04:23] <crutchy> catch ya after yer test :D
[09:04:24] <idetuxs> that's cool!
[09:05:07] <idetuxs> we had to learn from the kerningan and ritchie book so we could implement sort and graphs algorithms
[09:05:08] <crutchy> i got hit by a car on the way to my first exam at uni in melbourne
[09:05:24] <idetuxs> :o bad luck
[09:05:24] <crutchy> ah
[09:05:46] <crutchy> there's some pretty nifty CS lectures on youtube
[09:07:05] <idetuxs> yeah, I read once about a guy that study the entire CS lecture of MIT in a year
[09:07:13] <idetuxs> don't know if bollocks or not
[09:07:37] <crutchy> if it was in a youtube comment it was prolly bollocks
[09:07:58] <idetuxs> this one: http://www.scotthyoung.com
[09:08:00] <monopoly> ^ 03MIT Challenge « Scott H Young
[09:15:28] <idetuxs> well, now really I'm out
[09:15:35] <idetuxs> see ya o/
[09:15:46] * idetuxs AFK
[09:26:52] <prospectacle> what proportion of arable land do you think should be left alone as national parks/wildlife reserves, etc?
[09:27:56] <prospectacle> if it's anything less than 99% then I think australia can afford to release some more land to residential building, and put down these stupid house prices.
[09:30:31] <prospectacle> but i haven't checked the numbers.
[09:30:56] <prospectacle> My feeling is only about 50-60% of fertile land needs to be left alone
[09:38:22] <prospectacle> Nope I was wrong. "Private Land makes up the largest part of Australia". http://www.ga.gov.au
[09:38:23] <monopoly> ^ 03Land Tenure - Geoscience Australia
[09:38:41] <prospectacle> Guess we'll just have to wait for the bubble to inflate and burst
[09:40:09] <crutchy> prospectacle, just need to raise interest rates
[09:40:18] <crutchy> that will burst the housing bubble
[09:40:25] <crutchy> and help retirees
[09:40:48] <crutchy> (higher interest rates benefit savings)
[09:41:16] <crutchy> and will also discourage people from borrowing money they can't repay
[09:41:57] <prospectacle> hmm
[09:42:02] <prospectacle> I guess it would do that.
[09:42:32] <prospectacle> Would it also have other, less desireable effects? I gather inflation/deflation levels are very sensitive to interest rates.
[09:42:59] <crutchy> low interest rates tend to increase inflation
[09:43:08] <crutchy> (even if governments try to hide it)
[09:43:16] <crutchy> promotes borrowing
[09:43:52] <crutchy> for some stupid reason governments around the world are trying to increase inflation
[09:44:02] <crutchy> as if rising prices are a good thing
[09:44:45] <crutchy> but then they exclude things like real estate, food, energy, stocks etc from their inflation calculations
[09:45:17] <crutchy> and wonder why the cpi is so low but economies still keep going south
[09:45:18] <prospectacle> Is there also a danger in the other direction, i mean if inlation is negative I gather that's bad, maybe people don't invest as much or something
[09:45:31] <crutchy> deflation means things get cheaper
[09:46:01] <crutchy> also means wages go down, but if things get cheaper it means you get more bang for your buck
[09:46:16] <prospectacle> but fewer bucks to bang together
[09:46:59] <crutchy> true, so not really much better off, but the value of money is retained, so savings retain their value (good for retirees)
[09:47:42] <prospectacle> Seems like a dodgy system all round
[09:47:45] <prospectacle> let's start a new one
[09:47:46] <crutchy> atm in a low interest rate, inflationary economy, there is no incentive to save money but plenty to borrow and go deeper into debt
[09:47:56] <crutchy> atm, unfortunately money == debt
[09:48:36] <crutchy> cos money is created by debt (banks create money by fractional reserves and people use debt to buy things)
[09:49:08] <prospectacle> Yeah doesn't seem ideal
[09:49:24] <crutchy> its pretty tragic. thanks to the federal reserve system. there are a lot of conspiracy nuts out there, but unfortunately i think they might be right about the federal reserve being evil
[09:49:27] <prospectacle> then you have to pay the money back at interest, so you need more money than exists
[09:50:06] <prospectacle> So they have to create more money I guess
[09:50:29] <crutchy> creating money out of thin air by fractional reserve banking caused inflation and made it impossible to remain on a gold standard
[09:50:52] <crutchy> which means money became fiat and has no real value
[09:51:49] <crutchy> the table at http://en.wikipedia.org is stark and depressing :/
[09:51:50] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03United States dollar: [edit]Buying power of one U.S. dollar compared to 1774 USDYear&Equivalent buying power1774$1.001780$0.591790$0.891800$0.641810$0.661820$0.691830$0.881840$0.941850$1.031860$0.97Year&Equivalent buying power1870$0.621880$0.791890$0.891900$0.961910$0.851920$0.391930$0.471940$0.561950$0.331960$0.26Year&Equivalent buying power1970$0.201980$0.101990$0.062000$0.052007$0.042008$0.04200...
[09:51:54] <prospectacle> I agree it's a bad system, but money does have real value, in that people repeatedly and reliable desire it and will do things in return for it.
[09:52:09] <prospectacle> it's a value based on a crazy set of rules, but value is as value does
[09:52:45] <crutchy> people are slaves to money, but the perceived value of money is very fragile. look at zimbabwe for example
[09:53:32] <crutchy> just because you think you can buy something today doesn't mean you can buy the same thing in 5 years. that's why commodities have real value; they are useful for something other than money
[09:53:37] <prospectacle> I gather that's because they printed too much too quickly, rather than people deciding to just stop valuing it
[09:53:53] <crutchy> if you have lots of something, it becomes less valuable
[09:54:00] <prospectacle> yes indeed, money or anything else
[09:54:06] <crutchy> that's inflation in a nutshell
[09:54:19] <crutchy> and look what federal reserve banks are doing
[09:54:26] <crutchy> printing a fuckload of money
[09:54:56] <prospectacle> but is "useful for something other than money" a good definition of "real value"? I mean isn't the concept of value more about what humans desire/consider important/protect
[09:55:21] <prospectacle> regardless of whether we think they should
[09:55:24] <crutchy> money is only useful if you can use it to buy other stuff
[09:55:48] <crutchy> ever tried to do anything with a 50 dollar note other than buy food or some other commodity?
[09:55:55] <crutchy> its pretty useless on its own
[09:56:05] <prospectacle> true, but aren't a lot of things valuable only (or mostly) as means to other things
[09:56:22] <prospectacle> e.g. most tools aren't useful except for what you can do with them. A knife, say, or a screwdriver.
[09:56:34] <crutchy> tools are plentiful
[09:56:43] <crutchy> if they were rare they would be more valuable, yes
[09:56:56] <prospectacle> right, but do tools have "real value", even though they're just a means to some other end?
[09:57:05] <prospectacle> if they do, then so does money.
[09:57:05] <prospectacle> in my view
[09:57:36] <crutchy> money is valuable, but fiat money isn't really money. its just an iou
[09:57:50] <crutchy> a promise to repay
[09:58:02] <crutchy> fiat money is created from debt
[09:58:25] <prospectacle> so are you saying money has real value, but what we have is not real money?
[09:59:01] <crutchy> real money used to be based on commodities that were difficult to fake, like silver and gold
[09:59:29] <crutchy> http://en.wikipedia.org
[09:59:30] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Fiat money: Yuan dynasty banknotes are the earliest known fiat money.Fiat money is currency which derives its value from government regulation or law. It differs from commodity money, which is based on a good, often a precious metal such as gold or silver, which has uses other than as a medium of exchange. The term derives from the Latin fiat ("let it be done", "it shall be").[1]
[09:59:31] <prospectacle> it was, it was also an IOU at that time. e.g. "IOU 1 pound of silver"
[10:00:08] <crutchy> but if you have a pound of silver, you still have something
[10:00:15] <prospectacle> those chinese they're always inventing things
[10:00:32] <prospectacle> that's true, I'm just saying money based on silver, is also an iou
[10:00:41] <prospectacle> it's just that you owe them a physical commodity
[10:00:45] <crutchy> silver isn't an iou
[10:00:49] <crutchy> you can use silver
[10:00:53] <prospectacle> no silver isn't, but paper money backed by silver is.
[10:01:03] <crutchy> yes. that's real money
[10:01:05] <prospectacle> I should have said paper money based on silver
[10:01:28] <crutchy> when banknotes were backed by gold and silver they had real value
[10:01:49] <crutchy> they were still an iou (like a contract sort of) but they had collateral
[10:01:54] <prospectacle> So this returns us to the question of what makes a value real (And therefore what makes it fake?)
[10:03:27] <crutchy> its not fake, but its value is not intrinsic
[10:04:05] <crutchy> you can buy something with a dollar today, but tomorrow that dollar might be worthless
[10:05:51] <crutchy> things like gold and silver (or wheat or coal) will always be worth something. a piece of paper with a number on it backed by nothing might be worth something, but there's no guarantee that it will be worth something in 5 years
[10:06:23] <crutchy> as many who invested in zimbabwe dollars found out a few years ago
[10:06:52] <prospectacle> hmm that's true, but that's also true of an iou where the person who owes you goes broke or gets robbed, or something
[10:06:52] <chromas> somebody might dig out more silver
[10:07:06] <prospectacle> maybe they made the iou in good faith with full collateral, but something happened to that collateral
[10:07:22] <crutchy> chromas, then the price of silver will go down, but not to zero
[10:07:53] <crutchy> people used to buy loaves of bread in zimbabwe will wheelbarrow loads of banknotes
[10:08:15] <crutchy> but once apon a time it would have only required one of them to buy a loaf of bread
[10:08:44] <prospectacle> like maybe you borrow against some land, and then that land falls into the sea. The iou you gave to the bank had collateral when you made it, but now it's worthless.
[10:09:08] <prospectacle> so to my mind "real value" doesn't depend on what might happen tomorrow
[10:09:12] <crutchy> its because fiat money can be created out of thin air, which means so much of it can be created that it becomes worthless (the whole more of something there is the less valuablle)
[10:09:12] <prospectacle> not entirely, anyway
[10:09:45] <crutchy> land will always have value because it can't be created from nothing
[10:09:54] <crutchy> its finite
[10:10:04] <prospectacle> I agree that it can become worthless, if too much is created. But (if too much is not created) it's not necessarily worthless.
[10:10:08] <crutchy> gold, silver and other commodities are finite, so they will have value
[10:10:32] <prospectacle> land can't be created from nothing, but it can be destroyed or lost.
[10:10:34] <crutchy> true, but it has been shown that central banks and governments can easily print too much money
[10:11:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:11:04] <Bender> karma - coffee: 841
[10:11:07] <crutchy> land value does fluctuate with supply and demand, as all commodities
[10:11:46] <crutchy> if you start seeing million dollar notes coming out of the US federal reserve you know the dollar is dead
[10:11:55] <prospectacle> they can print too much money, they can also rezone land to make it worthless, but this doesn't make land worthless in general.
[10:12:18] <crutchy> nod nod
[10:12:32] <crutchy> well, rezoning land doesn;t make it worthless
[10:12:40] <crutchy> it might be less valuable
[10:12:56] <crutchy> but its value will never reach near zero
[10:13:23] <prospectacle> it might. It might even go beyond zero
[10:13:31] <prospectacle> e.g. land around a nuclear accident
[10:13:58] <prospectacle> you'd have to pay someone to go on it
[10:14:07] <crutchy> i guess radiation would effect the usefulness of the land
[10:14:15] <chromas> reservations
[10:14:49] <crutchy> but the land would still have intrinsic value
[10:15:12] <prospectacle> what makes a value intrinsic?
[10:17:24] <crutchy> hmm. i guess the land is still land. people would still pay for land. they would only avoid said land for being radioactive, but they wouldn't avoid it for being land
[10:17:57] <crutchy> people don't like radioactivity. that's what reduces the value
[10:18:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> mineral deposits generally don't mind it though
[10:18:42] <crutchy> lol true
[10:18:52] <prospectacle> true. on the other hand some land is naturally radioactive, or otherwise poisonous, so can you separate being land from the specific properties of the piece of land in question?
[10:19:16] <prospectacle> I mean can you say the land has value but people still avoid it because of its components
[10:19:39] <crutchy> well, land is still land. if you can build on it, it has value
[10:19:40] <prospectacle> even if, say, no one will pay for it, or go near it without being paid
[10:21:05] <prospectacle> hmm. I guess you could build in some way to shield against the radiation. But if no one is willing to pay for it, and it's not worth building on, how do you measure its value?
[10:22:16] <crutchy> hard to know. but irradiated land still retains the same values of any other land. you can build on it, mine it, etc. there are things that make land more or less valuable (like an ocean view)
[10:22:51] <crutchy> but there is intrinsic value that can't be taken away by governments printing it to infinity
[10:24:05] <prospectacle> so you're saying it's (land's) value may decrease, but never to zero
[10:24:20] <crutchy> scarcity is an intrinsic value of commodities and land
[10:25:08] <prospectacle> what if it falls into the sea (erosion, earthquake, sea levels rising)?
[10:25:13] <prospectacle> can it become worthless in that case?
[10:25:24] <crutchy> even if it was worth zero dollars, it could be valued by someone (as a place to build something). a zero dollar value might be more a reflection of the instability of the value of fiat money than the value of land
[10:25:41] <crutchy> things can be destroyed i guess
[10:25:47] <crutchy> cars can be crashed
[10:25:57] <prospectacle> well let's take fiat money out of it, let's say we're using gold money, and no one will give a millionth of a gram of gold for it, is it now worthless?
[10:26:04] <crutchy> if you build a house in an earthquake zone, that will affect its value
[10:26:51] <prospectacle> also now that I think about it gold can be destroyed as well
[10:27:01] <crutchy> well, i guess it might be worthless to those that wont pay anything at the time, but someone might come along and buy it eventually. if you discovered oil you can bet people would pay
[10:27:25] <prospectacle> so I guess my poorly made point is "might have no value in the future" doesn't differentiate fiat money from other money.
[10:27:51] <crutchy> gold can be destroyed i guess. but the thing is if you destroy something it makes what remains even more valuable (if that something is as scarce as gold)
[10:28:11] <chromas> let's go burn some bank notes
[10:28:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, politicians
[10:28:46] <prospectacle> true, the remaining gold becomes more valuable, but the money (iou) based on the destroyed gold was really money for its entire life, right up until it was worthless (when that gold was destroyed)
[10:29:19] <crutchy> nod nod. its the same as if you sell a house and then burn it to the ground
[10:29:39] <crutchy> it only proves how worthless ious really are
[10:29:50] <crutchy> the gold is the value. the iou has no value
[10:29:59] <prospectacle> so then would you say no paper money was ever real money?
[10:30:01] <crutchy> s/gold/house/
[10:30:01] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> the house is the value. the iou has no value
[10:30:25] <crutchy> money backed by something is better than money backed by nothing
[10:31:17] <crutchy> if every dollar had to be backed by a gram of gold, central banks couldn't just go print a trillion dollars overnight
[10:31:59] <crutchy> unless they found a fuckload of gold, which would make gold less valuable anyway which would make printing the money pointless
[10:32:34] <prospectacle> well, hypothetically what if someone gave you an iou, and that person was scrupulous and honest about paying people back as much as possible, but they were robbed randomly, about once every three years (and they declared bankruptcy and couldn't honour their debts whenever that happened). A second person gave you australian dollars.
[10:33:01] <prospectacle> sorry I mean to the say the first person was giving you an iou for gold.
[10:33:29] <crutchy> ious for gold (money) used to be issued by central banks
[10:33:30] <prospectacle> so one backed by gold, one is AUD. But the gold one is destroyed every three years or so (you can't predict when)
[10:33:42] <prospectacle> crutchy, right, which are more secure, but not 100% secure.
[10:34:06] <crutchy> well, they're no less secure than the issuer of australian dollars (they're one and the same)
[10:34:12] <prospectacle> the principle is the same. Would you say money backed by something is better if it's also slightly less likely to be useful a year from now
[10:34:38] <prospectacle> or does it depend entirely on which one is most likely to be useful when you need it, rather than what it's theoretically backed by
[10:35:28] <prospectacle> so on the one hand, gold that will be destroyed (but probably not for a few years, but who knows) and on the other hand, dollars that might suffer from hyperinflation (but haven't for decades)
[10:35:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> lemme settle it for ya. all value is subjective. without a people or two around to decide something has value, it doesn't.
[10:35:47] <crutchy> i guess value fluctuates, but if i bought an ounce of gold in 2011 (at the peak) it would be worth less dollars now but might (probably will) be worth more down the track a bit. if you buy things to be used only as money i guess there is a risk. if you buy things to use its different
[10:36:31] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, but i can decide if something has value on my own. a fishing rod for example
[10:36:34] <prospectacle> TMB, what if I'm alone but also starving and I find some fruit on a tree. does the fruit have value?
[10:36:55] <prospectacle> TMB, oh i see, you said "A people or two"
[10:37:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> prospectacle, only because you're there.
[10:37:06] <crutchy> yeah thats confusement
[10:37:07] <prospectacle> TMB, I agree
[10:37:24] <crutchy> value is just a word, like love
[10:37:35] <crutchy> what matters is the connection
[10:37:38] <crutchy> :p
[10:37:50] <crutchy> sorry couldn't help myself there
[10:37:58] <prospectacle> This is why I think fiat money, as silly as it is, has real value, because it has a non-trivial level of reliability and usefulness to people, whatever the reasons
[10:38:16] <crutchy> did you check out that wikipedia table prospectacle?
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[10:38:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> fiat is a fiction but it's a convenient though abused fiction
[10:38:32] <crutchy> the value of the US dollar has lost 97% of its original value
[10:38:50] <prospectacle> I did crutchy. I also agree with you fiat money is far from an ideal system, and inflation is one of its inherent problems.
[10:39:12] <crutchy> fiat money has value. its just not intrinsic
[10:39:22] <crutchy> its kinda 'assigned' by government decree
[10:39:37] <crutchy> until they decide to print it to oblivion that is :p
[10:39:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> inflation is also valuable. it keeps value from being hoarded as easily.
[10:39:54] <crutchy> hoarding value should be illegal!
[10:40:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, it just shouldn't be eternal
[10:40:27] <crutchy> eternal value would be worthless though
[10:40:42] * crutchy only wants scarce value
[10:40:49] <prospectacle> TMB, in some ways it just diverts people to hoarding other things, like shares, and land
[10:40:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> weren't you just arguing for eternal intrinsic value?
[10:41:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah so the dollars keep moving, which is why governments inflate their currency in ideal theory
[10:41:23] <crutchy> but if you have a lot of something it isn't as valuable
[10:41:40] <crutchy> so if you have a lot of value, that value is less valuable
[10:42:29] <crutchy> moving dollars make banks happy, cos each transaction attracts a nice little fee :p
[10:42:43] <prospectacle> TMB, that's one way to keep money moving. It's pretty much required when you have fiat money, but it's not the only way. Anything that makes spending or investing more appealing than saving will do the trick.
[10:42:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> moving dollars makes the people receiving them happy too.
[10:43:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> prospectacle, true nuff. just splaining the theory behind it
[10:43:24] <crutchy> people are happier when they give those dollars away in exchange for food
[10:44:10] <crutchy> someone living in a desert with lots of money might still be miserable and starve to death
[10:44:22] <prospectacle> our current money system needs inflation, and debt in order to keep people spending and creating and investing. But spending, creating and investing are the goals. Debt and inflation have lots of problems and are a fairly nasty means to the end.
[10:45:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> if mismanaged, yeah. minor inflation is managable.
[10:46:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> 1-3% year over year is generally considered a nuisance but harmless.
[10:47:15] <prospectacle> it's not the end of the world but it has bad effects, in that some saving is a good, healthy thing, but punished by inflation.
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[10:48:05] <prospectacle> sometimes no risk invesmtents (e.g. cash management accounts in major banks) are above inflation, but sometimes not
[10:51:10] <prospectacle> 5 letters, indian dish of deep fried vegetables B_A_I
[10:51:56] <crutchy> lol nfi
[10:51:57] <ciri> hehehe
[10:52:29] <prospectacle> that's what i get for only ever ordering butter chicken or rogan josh.
[10:53:04] <prospectacle> guess it's http://www.crosswordsolver.org for me
[10:53:05] <monopoly> ^ 03The Crossword Solver
[10:53:13] <crutchy> i never get takeaway indian cos i love curry but it can be used to hide anything
[10:53:27] <prospectacle> lol, that's why it was invented, no doubt
[10:53:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> i just never eat indian food
[10:53:35] <crutchy> curried rat mmmm
[10:53:52] <crutchy> curry at home is ok. at least you know whats under it
[10:54:07] <prospectacle> bhaji
[10:54:18] <prospectacle> "an indian version of vegetable fritters"
[10:54:55] <prospectacle> now we know, and knowing is half the battle
[10:54:57] <crutchy> i usually add some curry to those maggi chicken noodle packets. along with some chili flakes, soy sauce, cracked pepper, etc
[10:55:09] <prospectacle> that sounds tasty
[10:55:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> curry makes my burps suck ass for hours and hours. can't stand it.
[10:55:25] <crutchy> its much better than just plain ol' chicken noodles :p
[10:55:39] <prospectacle> i like the sauces and seasonings that come with mi goreng packet noodles. It's probably mostly msg and oil but damn
[10:56:03] <crutchy> that's kinda what i like doing. just without the oil
[10:56:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you wanna go spicy, go szchewan
[10:56:43] <crutchy> i actually can't eat really hot spicy food. sucks
[10:56:56] <crutchy> too much chili is bad for me :(
[10:57:28] <crutchy> i can't even eat that pink chili paste
[10:57:44] <crutchy> can't remember the name. it goes on rice usually
[10:58:14] <crutchy> dammit who started talking about food! :p
[10:58:31] <prospectacle> Sweet chilli's great though how do they do that? Even the stuff with lots of seeds in it isn't that hot
[10:58:44] <crutchy> yeah i dunno
[10:58:46] <prospectacle> sorry, was the last clue in the crossword.
[10:58:48] <crutchy> the food gods :p
[10:58:58] <prospectacle> now it's complete so we can all rest easy
[10:59:21] <crutchy> crosswords are ok. good for vocablijerary
[10:59:36] <crutchy> i can't do crosswords to save myself
[10:59:50] <prospectacle> agree. I kno all the wurds now
[10:59:58] <crutchy> :)
[11:00:00] <prospectacle> well have a good evening. I'm out of here
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[11:00:07] <crutchy> no worries
[11:00:09] <crutchy> matey
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[11:01:41] <crutchy> ~count TheMightyBuzzard
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[11:02:55] <crutchy> stupid bot
[11:03:06] <crutchy> where did i leave it?
[11:04:00] <systemd> Bend over and I'll show ya!
[11:04:16] <crutchy> ~gday systemd
[11:05:10] <crutchy> systemd start mixing chocolate
[11:08:22] * monopoly would like some chocolate
[11:11:29] <crutchy> http://i.lvme.me
[11:12:27] <crutchy> http://hotmeme.net
[11:13:03] <crutchy> lmao http://i.lvme.me
[11:13:45] <crutchy> confucius say crutchy need to close browser or his head fall off
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[11:58:36] <chromas> salsa++
[11:58:36] <Bender> karma - salsa: 5
[11:59:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> jalapenos++
[11:59:05] <Bender> karma - jalapenos: 1
[11:59:21] <chromas> I put habaneros in too
[11:59:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> good in small amounts
[11:59:41] <chromas> but they're cooked a bit first
[11:59:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> excellent flavor
[11:59:50] <chromas> hiccups--
[11:59:50] <Bender> karma - hiccups: -3
[12:00:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> blindingpain--
[12:00:01] <Bender> karma - blindingpain: -1
[12:00:56] <chromas> nah, it's not that many peppers
[12:01:06] * chromas is a pussy about spiciness but this is okay
[12:02:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not but habaneros will fuck you up if you don't respect them
[12:02:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... so i need to rewrite the subscriptions/cash moneys summary email today.
[12:02:40] <chromas> nah
[12:02:50] <chromas> just write some perl code that will do it for you
[12:03:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> good thinkin. believe i will.
[12:03:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> there already is some, it just don't work too good
[12:34:42] <crutchy> coffee++
[12:34:42] <Bender> karma - coffee: 842
[12:38:26] <crutchy> 12+ year old design, but fucking awesome still... https://www.youtube.com
[12:38:27] <monopoly> ^ 03MONARO CV8Z - YouTube
[12:40:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:40:24] <Bender> karma - coffee: 843
[12:42:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, too new for my tastes
[12:43:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> better: https://www.youtube.com
[12:43:44] <monopoly> ^ 03MONARO HQ - YouTube
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[12:46:30] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[12:46:32] <monopoly> ^ 03Kranky HQ Kandos 2012 - YouTube
[12:46:41] <crutchy> ^one way to weed a garden
[12:47:19] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, my mum and dad had a HZ Kingswood when I was a kid
[12:47:38] <crutchy> Kingswood is similar to a Premier
[12:49:10] <crutchy> http://upload.wikimedia.org
[12:50:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not picky about what i drive but i am picky about what i consider awesome. pretty much has to be a mid-late 60s chevy or dodge
[12:50:51] * chromas pushes a ford TheMightyBuzzard's way
[12:51:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> feh to your puny mustangs
[12:51:42] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: s/mustang/pinto/
[12:51:42] <SedBot9000> <chromas> <TheMightyBuzzard> feh to your puny pintos
[12:51:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://vintagecarsandsuch.com
[12:52:44] <chromas> You know, car engines are like the party's chocolate rations
[12:52:52] <chromas> "200 horsepower!!"
[12:52:59] <chromas> whatever happened to 550?
[12:53:34] <chromas> in a few years they'll be advertising cool new 50hp engines
[12:53:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://upload.wikimedia.org would suffice as well
[12:54:06] <crutchy> 308's and 351's were the shit back then
[12:54:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah i know. even hear 1xx horsepower on some shat nowadays
[12:54:24] <crutchy> if it was all metal body and had one of those engines, it was cool :p
[12:54:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> i've driven motorcycles with more horses than that.
[12:54:34] <chromas> the kid in the back is staring into my soul
[12:54:36] <chromas> if I had one
[12:55:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> 327 was a pretty sweet engine too really but gimme a 426 hemi any day
[12:56:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> quad carbs, aftermarket headers, dual exhaust
[12:57:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> none of this fuel injected nonsense. carbs or gtfo.
[12:57:38] <chromas> modern cars are on a diet
[12:57:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> a very serious one
[12:58:06] <chromas> zero carbs dawg
[12:58:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> stupid atkins
[12:58:40] <Woods> *Insert car pun*
[12:58:42] <crutchy> when i was a kid there was no such thing as a 'fender bender'... occasionally you would hear about the odd tree getting knocked over
[12:58:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Woods
[12:58:58] <Woods> Hey
[12:59:06] <chromas> *insert innuendo*
[12:59:12] <Woods> Heyoooo
[12:59:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, my cousin had an old el camino that he drove into a bridge and once and broke it.
[12:59:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> the bridge not the car.
[13:00:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, in YOUR endo...
[13:00:58] * chromas twinks
[13:01:07] * TheMightyBuzzard is a master of the single entendre
[13:01:08] * crutchy gives tama an innuendo
[13:02:54] <Woods> TMB: Todd, from Scrubs?
[13:03:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> Woods, one of my heroes, yes.
[13:03:19] * TheMightyBuzzard self-fives
[13:03:27] <Woods> Does that mean you snap after you high-five? Because so do I.
[13:04:22] <Woods> And so do a LOT of people in my hometown, I kinda started to spread it one day and it took on really well.
[13:04:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> when it's warranted, of course
[13:04:54] <crutchy> rofl
[13:04:56] <ciri> now that is funny
[13:04:57] <exec> Confucius say… marriage is like game of poker… you start with pair and end with full house.
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[13:05:48] <crutchy> rofl
[13:05:52] * TheMightyBuzzard is getting a bit of fuck all done today.
[13:06:04] <exec> process timed out: rofl
[13:06:10] <Woods> I just recently started re-watching the series, I am at the end of the first season, when Elliot is still realy annoying.
[13:06:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait, there was a season when she wasn't?
[13:06:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> kinda a defining character trait
[13:06:44] <Woods> More like a few episodes
[13:06:59] <Woods> She was at least half-bearable after she got all sassy
[13:07:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[13:07:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> too much irc for me, i've actually started saying "nod nod" and "sigh" out loud
[13:08:07] <Woods> Never too much
[13:08:47] * chromas thinks "/me blah blah" in social situations now
[13:09:12] <Woods> I came across one of my my favorite scenes, the one where JD is looking at Cox through a window, and Cox notices him. JD ducks out of the way, then back in and stares awkwardly. Then asks "Hey... What uh, what kind of shirt is that?"
[13:09:30] <Woods> Cox replies "It's a white t-shirt". JD: "Ah, I knew it..."
[13:10:41] <crutchy> my fucking gawd... http://www.smh.com.au
[13:11:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> har
[13:11:41] <crutchy> are people that dumb?
[13:11:52] <crutchy> actually thats a dumb question
[13:12:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - India's Spacecraft Reaches Mars Orbit ... and History - http://sylnt.us - to-infinity-and-beyond
[13:12:26] <Woods> Crutchy: It is the same features as the last time too.
[13:12:35] <Woods> I do like the new iBend one though, that is good.
[13:13:38] <crutchy> lol 'bend-gate'
[13:13:39] <crutchy> http://www.smh.com.au
[13:15:35] <Woods> Huh.
[13:16:11] <Woods> My boss was yelling yesterday about how some fool put their phone in their back pocket and sat on it. Apparently all it requires is being in the front pocket and getting nudged.
[13:16:13] <crutchy> though to be fair that article highlights problem with new samsungs too
[13:17:52] <crutchy> aww fuck off... ASIO (Australia's NSA, well one of them) doesn't bother with covert spying.... it just convinces the government to make it legal so they can do it out in the open :/
[13:17:53] <crutchy> http://www.smh.com.au
[13:19:36] <crutchy> actually i think ASIS is australia's NSA
[13:20:08] <crutchy> http://www.asis.gov.au
[13:20:09] <monopoly> ^ 03Australian Secret Intelligence Service | Home ( http://www.asis.gov.au )
[13:20:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Physicists Teleport Quantum State of Photon to Crystal over 25 Kilometers - http://sylnt.us - rest-of-the-person-will-teleport-along-shortly...
[13:20:59] <crutchy> i do hope asis is better at intelligence than they are with website design
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[13:25:04] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v Bytram|away] by juggler
[13:25:34] <chromas> wikirc bot is pretty fast
[13:26:17] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[13:26:30] blackmoore|afk is now known as Blackmoore
[13:26:39] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[13:26:39] <Bender> karma - coffee: 844
[13:26:41] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[13:26:41] <Bender> karma - coffee: 845
[13:26:45] <Blackmoore> mornin
[13:27:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin
[13:27:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:27:04] <Bender> karma - coffee: 846
[13:28:19] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:28:19] <Bender> karma - coffee: 847
[13:28:25] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[13:28:27] <exec> Weather for Boston, MA - currrently 62°F, scattered clouds, wind E at 3 mph, humidity 72% - Wednesday partly cloudy (68°F, 52°F), Thursday rain (66°F, 55°F), Friday chance of rain (70°F, 54°F), Saturday partly cloudy (73°F, 59°F) - source: Google
[13:28:38] <Bytram> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[13:28:39] <exec> Weather for Ada, OK - currrently 59°F, clear, wind S at 8 mph, humidity 82% - Wednesday partly cloudy (84°F, 57°F), Thursday clear (81°F, 59°F), Friday partly cloudy (82°F, 59°F), Saturday clear (82°F, 59°F) - source: Google
[13:29:03] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: g'morning!
[13:29:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Bytram
[13:29:19] <Bytram> what's shakin?
[13:29:35] <weeds> mornin y'all
[13:29:36] * Bytram prolly should not ask that of a resident of california
[13:29:42] <Bytram> weeds: morning!
[13:30:04] <Bytram> brb
[13:30:05] <ciri> me too, smoke time! Bytram
[13:30:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> well got mail set back up and working on the vm so i can look at how broken the subscriber emails are but not feeling the mojo to do anything about it at the moment.
[13:32:02] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nod nod; I took a look at what seemed to squeak through a day or two ago...
[13:32:08] <Bytram> hold on
[13:33:09] <Bytram> from sat sept 20th
[13:35:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> i got the files all pulled up for editing and a copy of the email in my terminal, i just got no brain juice today apparently.
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[13:36:57] <Bytram> I hear ya; takes a certain kind of twisted perspective to deal with UTF-8 -- prolly why we get along so well. =)
[13:37:13] <Blackmoore> :)
[13:37:22] <crutchy> chromas, nod
[13:37:34] <crutchy> g'day Bytram :D
[13:37:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh i'm not worried about utf8 here. won't be anything outside ascii range in this.
[13:38:16] * crutchy still has no idea what the big deal is with systemd
[13:38:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> it just ain't reporting some things right and ain't laid out very well considering separate payment schemes n all.
[13:38:47] <crutchy> if you don't like it surely you can just install xfce and sysvinit
[13:39:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, no you can't.
[13:39:15] <crutchy> why not?
[13:39:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> pulseaudio now requires systemd or it don't work. ditto other things.
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[13:39:29] <crutchy> don't use pulseaudio then
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[13:39:41] <Blackmoore> crutchy: i think the people who like it least are in my position. I know enough to grep the technical issues, but not enought to do anything about it
[13:39:51] <Bytram> crutchy: g'day
[13:39:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> fek off, i like it. it doesn't argue about having multiple streams open at once like alsa
[13:40:00] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: check ur e-mail
[13:40:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, thas not what i'm working on but thanks. i'm working on the one that sends NC our daily subscriptions updates.
[13:41:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> or i allegedly am anyway.
[13:41:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly i'm sitting here staring at it
[13:41:28] <crutchy> i'll prolly wind up just using systemd, but i like debian cos there are lots of alternatives so that i'm not stuck. this whole idea of being 'forced' into using systemd seems like a lot of hogwash
[13:42:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, the more they pull in to systemd the less choice you will have over whether to use it or not.
[13:42:25] <Bytram> oh. hmmm
[13:42:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> anything that requires pulseaudio, like skype fer instance, now requires systemd also.
[13:42:40] <crutchy> i doubt they'll pull in everything. there will be forks of anything that gets pulled in
[13:42:49] <Bytram> select count(*) from foo where subscription_date_time > dt1 and subscription_date_time < dt2
[13:43:03] <Bytram> that looks TOO easy, so I'm obviously missing somethin'
[13:43:25] <crutchy> also, you don't nececelery have to 'upgrade' to a version that depends on systemd
[13:43:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, it mostly works i just can't decide how to lay it out or see the few spots it doesn't
[13:43:57] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nod nod
[13:44:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, you will have to eventually once they stop allowing older versions.
[13:44:02] <crutchy> the uselessd fork (or whatever it is) also looks interesting
[13:44:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, yes it does
[13:44:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> soon as that hits the repos i'm switching.
[13:44:31] <crutchy> i just can't see systemd taking over the linux world. esp if so many hate it
[13:44:39] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: just send it as a .CSV file =)
[13:44:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> would take even more work
[13:45:00] <Bytram> LOL
[13:45:00] <ciri> hehehe
[13:45:01] <crutchy> everything will just get forked :p
[13:45:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, everything? you really think that? thas a LOT of forking forking.
[13:45:32] <Bytram> back in a few minutes
[13:45:40] <crutchy> well, that's the essence of the gpl
[13:45:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're bloody going to microsoft us
[13:46:13] <crutchy> as soon as somthing gets fucked up, it gets forked
[13:46:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly i don't mind systemd as an init system but it needs to quit being other things.
[13:46:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, or more likely it dies a slow death.
[13:46:39] <crutchy> not if its popular
[13:46:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> plenty of not popular things that i use though
[13:47:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> and you gotta be good and popular to warrant doubling dev efforts.
[13:47:27] <crutchy> i guess if you like something enough and you really don't want systemd, you could always fork it yourself
[13:47:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> fu, i got enough on my plate already.
[13:47:46] <crutchy> i can see lots of people doing that
[13:47:58] <crutchy> many will crash and burn of course, but some will rise
[13:48:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm really, REALLY hoping uselessd takes off
[13:48:32] <crutchy> and if systemd is as bad as it seems, it will die a slow death as forks take over (like uselessd)
[13:48:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> here's hoping but it has redhat backing it
[13:49:15] <crutchy> debian is bigger than redhat
[13:50:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> debian's still on the fence though, no?
[13:50:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> or did they just say bugger a new init system, we like systemv
[13:50:26] <crutchy> dunno. i reckon they will be keen to offer alternatives
[13:50:47] <crutchy> freedom is their motto
[13:51:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause you really can't offer systemd and anything else. too much has to be rewritten to use systemd in a distro.
[13:52:03] <crutchy> good thing about having as much clout as debian is if you wanna be the 'default' anything in debian you gotta play by debian rules, not redhat's
[13:52:27] <crutchy> if systemd devs want it bad enough they will need to work with debian, not the other way around
[13:52:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> or you get into ubuntu and debian will likely follow eventually
[13:52:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> which has already been done.
[13:52:59] <crutchy> more comes downstream to ubuntu than other way around
[13:53:14] <crutchy> some stuff is ubuntu-only i guess
[13:53:15] <systemd> systemD++ # 😊
[13:53:15] <Bender> karma - systemd: -4
[13:53:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> uselessd++
[13:53:29] <Bender> karma - uselessd: 2
[13:53:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> systemd--
[13:53:32] <Bender> karma - systemd: -5
[13:53:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, screw it. ima play video games today.
[13:54:06] <crutchy> video_games++
[13:54:06] <Bender> karma - video_games: 1
[13:54:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> if my brain starts working later i'll give this another try
[13:54:33] <crutchy> might look out for uselessd when jessie comes along though
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[13:54:51] <chromas> Needs a better name
[13:55:06] <chromas> Imagine if we were called fuckbeta
[13:55:06] <crutchy> i usually hop onto testing repos anyway so things move a bit quicker
[13:55:10] <crutchy> lol
[13:55:11] <ciri> HEHEHEHE
[13:55:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> use less d not useless d
[13:55:37] <crutchy> chromas, that's the stable branch :p
[13:58:05] <crutchy> sounds like gnome will be systemd (or systemd drop-in replacement) but some of the lighter wms and tools will prolly not require systemd
[13:58:16] <crutchy> doesn;t make any sense for them to change
[13:58:29] <crutchy> can't see xfce ever requiring it
[14:01:14] <chromas> guhnome
[14:01:57] <crutchy> gnume
[14:02:10] <crutchy> s/u/u\//
[14:02:10] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> gnu/me
[14:02:38] <crutchy> omg it would be the linux version of windows Me!
[14:03:38] <chromas> Woo-hoo!
[14:04:35] <Bytram> !uid
[14:04:35] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4748, owned by javiernoval
[14:05:57] <crutchy> ~uid
[14:06:00] <exec> *** The current maximum UID is 4027, owned by htmbv
[14:06:16] <crutchy> doh!
[14:07:01] <crutchy> wtf are te 3 stars for?
[14:09:21] <chromas> Makes your spells and summons cost 1 mp
[14:10:27] <crutchy> millipixel?
[14:10:56] <chromas> Magic/mana points
[14:11:10] <crutchy> aww but i don't have them
[14:11:30] <chromas> Mooby burgers
[14:11:30] <crutchy> i gots millions of pixels (makes billions of millipixels)
[14:12:11] <crutchy> hmm maybe if i combine magic and mana
[14:12:21] <crutchy> manic points
[14:12:32] <crutchy> now them i have an infinite supply of :D
[14:13:01] <crutchy> ~define manic
[14:13:02] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3manic: 1. Someone who is manic depressive 2. Something that is insanely cool 3. A member of the band Manic Street Preachers
[14:13:12] <crutchy> no.2 :p
[14:13:24] <chromas> Already had manic Monday
[14:13:34] <chromas> Terrific Tuesday
[14:13:42] <crutchy> fuck friday
[14:13:54] <crutchy> thuck me off thursday
[14:14:03] <chromas> Wanking Wednesday
[14:14:36] <crutchy> but wednesday is hump day for a reason :p
[14:14:38] <Bytram> Sure Happy It's Thursday?
[14:14:54] <crutchy> hmm it is thursday too
[14:14:57] <crutchy> ~time
[14:14:59] <exec> Thursday, 25 September 2014 @ 12:14 am GMT+10 - Traralgon VIC, Australia
[14:15:04] <chromas> Pandora++ # for having Diablo 2 ost
[14:15:04] <Bender> karma - pandora: 1
[14:15:19] <crutchy> isn't it on youtube?
[14:15:28] * crutchy thought everything was on youtube
[14:15:52] <crutchy> even the rarest dubstep cat videos
[14:16:23] <chromas> Bytram++ # for acronymicality
[14:16:23] <Bender> karma - bytram: 20
[14:16:44] <chromas> acronymicon
[14:17:12] <Bytram> chromas: wish I could claim credit, but not of my own creation...
[14:17:28] <chromas> Shut up and take the credit
[14:17:31] <Bytram> try this one: TGIF - to remind a drunk with a hangove that "Toes Go In First"
[14:17:31] <crutchy> wiccc
[14:17:35] <chromas> :D
[14:17:42] <crutchy> rofl
[14:17:43] <ciri> HEHEHEHE
[14:17:45] <exec> He knew everything about literature except how to enjoy it.
[14:17:59] <crutchy> that one was dumb
[14:18:01] <crutchy> rofl
[14:18:01] <ciri> now that is funny
[14:18:03] <exec> Confucius say… quietest place in the world is the complaint department at a parachute packing plant.
[14:18:22] <crutchy> lol
[14:18:24] <ciri> it's not that funny :)
[14:18:48] <chromas> crutchy: need to install moar files
[14:19:02] <crutchy> its a scraper
[14:19:05] <crutchy> roffl
[14:19:08] <crutchy> rofl
[14:19:09] <ciri> HEHEHEHE
[14:19:11] <exec> Confucius say… man who drops watch in toilet bound to have crappy time.
[14:19:32] <chromas> fortune -o?
[14:20:20] <chromas> fortune -oooo for maximum rudeness
[14:20:26] <crutchy> https://github.com
[14:21:32] <chromas> Speaking of fortune, on soylent, they seem to change each page load
[14:21:57] <crutchy> that's good, no?
[14:22:09] <chromas> It's different
[14:22:26] <chromas> On /. It was around once a day
[14:22:46] <crutchy> ~header soylentnews.org x-fry
[14:23:17] <chromas> a-fry-86
[14:23:18] <crutchy> ~header x-fry soylentnews.org
[14:23:23] <crutchy> ah
[14:23:35] <chromas> What is a-fry?
[14:23:38] <crutchy> ~header x-fry http://www.soylentnews.org
[14:23:38] <chromas> X
[14:23:48] <crutchy> ~header x-fry http://www.soylentnews.org
[14:23:50] <exec> x-fry header for http://www.soylentnews.org = Existing is basically all I do!
[14:24:00] <crutchy> fucking pedantic parser
[14:24:20] <crutchy> will have to tweak that when i can be arsed
[14:25:09] <chromas> I wondered what that line was for when I found it once and nothing anywhere said what it was for
[14:25:24] <chromas> On the entire internet
[14:26:54] <crutchy> chromas s/.^/ts/
[14:27:04] <crutchy> chromas s/.$/ts/
[14:27:11] <crutchy> fek
[14:27:38] <crutchy> hope Bytram isn't watching. he might throw an anvil at me for forgetting
[14:28:20] * systemd smacks SedBot9000 on the buttocks
[14:28:35] <Bytram> chromas s/t$/ts/
[14:28:42] <crutchy> systemd, s/tt/tts/
[14:28:42] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> <systemd> smacks SedBot9000 on the buttsocks
[14:29:57] <chromas> SedBot9000: a/butt/pink/
[14:30:05] <chromas> SedBot9000: s/butt/pink/
[14:30:05] <SedBot9000> <chromas> <SedBot9000> <crutchy> <systemd> smacks SedBot9000 on the pinksocks
[14:30:17] <crutchy> aww no a/
[14:30:48] <chromas> Accident. Keyboard changes s to a
[14:30:58] <crutchy> is SedBot nick avail?
[14:31:05] <crutchy> can prolly pilfer that
[14:31:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 4th Ammendment under Fire - http://sylnt.us - papers-please
[14:31:10] <chromas> Ambiguity--
[14:31:10] <Bender> karma - ambiguity: -1
[14:31:28] <crutchy> least till fbbb comes back
[14:31:39] <n1> im getting pretty sick of my browser crashing for no reason lately - has anyone been experiencing this with Firefox and/or Opera?
[14:31:51] <crutchy> iceweasel++
[14:31:51] <Bender> karma - iceweasel: 1
[14:32:09] <crutchy> maybe try epiphany
[14:32:18] <chromas> Yeah, he can post on the site but not step into irc and debug his robot
[14:32:22] <crutchy> pretty basic little browser but it works
[14:32:36] <crutchy> robots++
[14:32:36] <Bender> karma - robots: 1
[14:32:52] <crutchy> roboot++
[14:32:52] <Bender> karma - roboot: 1
[14:33:24] <crutchy> what OS n1?
[14:33:40] <n1> windows for my sins
[14:33:47] <n1> for the majority anyway
[14:34:01] <crutchy> maybe upgrade to aurora branch
[14:34:21] <crutchy> might have a few more bugfixes
[14:34:40] <crutchy> or beta
[14:34:41] <chromas> Try internet explorer. I hear it's cutting edge and just plain fucking awesome
[14:34:45] <crutchy> but fuck beta
[14:34:48] <n1> lol
[14:34:49] <ciri> hehehe
[14:35:00] <n1> fuck ciri
[14:35:11] <crutchy> chromas, s/rer/iter/
[14:35:11] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> <chromas> Try intersphere exploiter. I hear it's cutting edge and just plain fucking awesome
[14:35:21] <crutchy> intersphere!?
[14:35:53] * chromas puts tama in ciri
[14:35:53] <n1> now that is a word
[14:36:03] <crutchy> maybe netscape reincarnated
[14:36:31] <n1> wow, intersphere is actually a word
[14:36:48] <crutchy> chrome's print preview is gay
[14:36:51] <crutchy> that is all
[14:37:19] <n1> google gets enough of me, i don't want to use their broswer too.
[14:37:20] <systemd> https://news.ycombinator.com
[14:39:36] <chromas> What
[14:39:46] <paulej72> coffee-+
[14:40:00] <paulej72> just spilled some on my shirt and pants
[14:40:46] <n1> http://en.wikipedia.org
[14:40:47] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03SRWare Iron: SRWare IronIron 14.0.850.0 on Puppy Linux 5.2.8 Lucid Puppy showing the new tab page.Developer(s)SRWareInitial releaseSeptember18, 2008; 6 years ago(2008-09-18)[1]Stable releaseWindows37.0.2000.0 (September8, 2014; 13 days ago(2014-09-08)[2]) [±]
[14:40:52] <paulej72> luckily my cup was mostly empty and the coffee had cooled to a non-scarring temperature
[14:41:47] <crutchy> hmm question re chrome pwd thingy: how the hell did chrome get access to keychain passwords without the keychain password?
[14:42:20] <crutchy> ~define lucid puppy
[14:42:36] <exec> lucid puppy: unable to find definition
[14:42:42] <chromas> It puts your keychain in your keychain or else it gets the hose again
[14:43:07] <crutchy> dananana nanananah
[14:44:55] <Bytram> http://www.computerworld.com
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[14:47:21] <n1> now if only blackberry made a phone that another OS would work on
[14:52:52] <chromas> Crap. Making the bot work with wikia broke Wikipedia support. If only mediawiki-based wikis could be consistent
[15:01:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 4th Amendment under Fire - http://sylnt.us - papers-please
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[15:31:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 4th Amendment Under Fire - http://sylnt.us - papers-please
[15:39:28] * n1 ponders playing some 'Papers, Please' to make this day even more joyous
[16:00:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - When to Say No to Your Doctor - http://sylnt.us - just-walk-it-off
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[17:31:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - C++14: What You Need To Know - http://sylnt.us - has-more-features-than-before
[17:32:45] <paulej72> it is isotope of carbon dating :)
[17:39:42] <Blackmoore> gorram puns.
[17:40:06] <Blackmoore> carbon dating. what happens when someone goes out with me, the primordail one.
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[18:10:05] <TK> If HAL had succeeded at killing Dave, then completed the mission, would the obelisk have taken HAL to have his brain reconfigured to be the next step in "humanity's" evolution?
[18:10:27] <swiss> wooo bash "vuln"
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[18:30:27] <Blackmoore> I'm not sure TK. my friend puts up movie reviews and slaughtered 2001 recently. not up on youtube yet
[18:31:02] <Blackmoore> but your theory makes sense
[18:31:08] <Blackmoore> but would be awful
[18:32:37] <swiss> r
[18:51:51] <AndyTheAbsurd> swiss: bash vuln? link pls?
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[18:58:38] <TK> Blackmoore, hopefully they would be smart enough to remove the neurotic part
[18:59:00] <TK> Do link me that video when it's up
[18:59:48] <TK> I don't think the movie lives up to all the hype, but I first watched it about five years ago. It doesn't have the same impact now as it did*before* man had landed on the moon
[19:17:43] <paulej72> TK: I fixed the tt font issue last night. I have the fix working on dev.soylentnews.org and it will go live at the begining of Oct
[19:18:47] <Blackmoore> TK: it will be on https://www.youtube.com channel
[19:18:48] <monopoly> ^ 03TheClassicFlixGuys - YouTube
[19:18:56] <Blackmoore> they are doing hoor movies this month
[19:20:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Making Decisions While we Sleep - http://sylnt.us - think-I'll-sleep-on-it
[19:23:20] <TK> paulej72 that's awesome. I'll go take a peek
[19:27:37] <TK> So much better. Thanks
[19:28:26] <paulej72> TK: your wlecome. I was planning ofn fixing it as it was annoying me as well. You just gave me the motivatin to get it done soonish
[19:29:29] <paulej72> TK: http://code.stephenmorley.org
[19:34:21] <swiss> AndyTheAbsurd: http://seclists.org
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[20:41:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - iPhone 6 Plus Exhibits Bending Issues - http://sylnt.us - you're-storing-it-wrong
[20:58:44] <chromas> Like everything else, the iPhone is just a degenerate form of bending
[21:24:14] <Bender> They didn't even make it a challenge to bend iPhones! Apple can go kiss my shiny metal iPhone bending surface.
[21:26:20] <mrcoolbp> poor Bender, now he's useless
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[21:32:30] <Blackmoore> *blink*
[21:50:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Russia Says It’s Putting A Man on the Moon… By 2030. - http://sylnt.us - not-sure-when-they're-bringing-him-back
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[22:26:34] <Blackmoore> https://www.flickr.com
[22:26:34] <monopoly> ^ 03Flickr: Page Not Found
[22:31:32] <Blackmoore> gnight all
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[22:33:03] <crutchy> night buddy
[22:34:01] <crutchy> chromas, you gunna end up on the wiki team if you're not careful :D
[22:34:48] <crutchy> chromas, the code-bending anti-spam bot-poking wizard
[23:07:12] <crutchy> coffee++
[23:07:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 848
[23:09:47] <mrcoolbp> crutchy interesting comment on the policy doc. Someone informed me we need to register as a DMCA agent in order to be safe from someone suing us in case someone posts infringing content
[23:10:02] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: gotta run out now, just thought I'd throw that out there = )
[23:10:05] * mrcoolbp runs out
[23:21:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Wearable Artificial Kidney Safety Test Receives Go-Ahead - http://sylnt.us - better-living-through-chemistry
[23:24:57] <crutchy> ikidney?
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[23:51:08] <geotti> Hey, we're all aware of CVE-2014-6271 here?
[23:51:22] <geotti> upgrade your boxen
[23:51:44] <geotti> full disclosure here: https://marc.info
[23:52:00] <geotti> just a heads-up
[23:52:23] <juggs> ugh, that looks nasty
[23:52:24] <geotti> if anything is running via CGI and calls /bin/bash, the box is vulnerable remotely
[23:52:56] <geotti> regardless, whether the script sanitizes, as the vuln is in bash itself
[23:53:12] <chromas> Do people still do cgi?
[23:53:42] <geotti> i'm not sure if FCGI qualifies too, don't have anything to test anymore : )
[23:54:41] <geotti> or, if your sshd accepts ENV... like, you know LC_* that makes it an easy privilege escalation as well
[23:55:20] <geotti> maybe even without a user, there I dunno
[23:59:09] <silverly> aye. its weird
[23:59:29] <chromas> Sounds like the fix is to delete bash :D
[23:59:31] <geotti> debian 6 boxen are fixed via lts reporitory, 7 has a patch, os x is fixed through homebrew