#Soylent | Logs for 2014-09-17
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[00:05:29] <SpallsHurgenson> geez, they are only doing this NOW? Just goes to show (again) that their primary focus never was on security http://www.cso.com.au
[00:09:19] <_NSAKEY> I thought the McAfee brand name was getting scrapped?
[00:10:21] <SpallsHurgenson> dunno. I mean, it has a bad reputation in some circles, but on the whole I think it's still a valuable brand (not necessarily a valuable product though :)
[00:11:19] <_NSAKEY> I could have sworn that Intel said they were going to rebrand it as "Intel Security" and that John McAfee was happy that his name would no longer be associated with the product.
[00:11:54] * SpallsHurgenson reads a random article on the internet that says the same.
[00:12:25] <SpallsHurgenson> didn't know that; then again, I try to avoid all things McAfee as I'm in one of the aforementioned circles :)
[00:14:44] <SpallsHurgenson> I didn't even know Intel had purchased them.
[00:20:38] <SpallsHurgenson> mmm, I'm seeing at least a 30% improvement in my framerates with my new vid-card. This makes me happy :)
[00:21:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Global Plan Would Crack Down On Corporate Tax Avoidance - http://sylnt.us - plan-for-world-peace-to-follow
[00:22:45] <SpallsHurgenson> heheh, that byword is unusually clever for a soylent article :)
[00:23:37] <SpallsHurgenson> or maybe just cynical, which I often confuse for cleverness :)
[00:36:54] <SpallsHurgenson> good god, /Torvalds/ is the rational and diplomatic one in this conflict? The world has gone mad. http://www.itwire.com
[00:50:10] <juggs> Not that I really follow that closely, but afaik he only really goes of the handle when some poor dev submits what he considers crud to the kernel. I may be well of the mark.
[00:56:19] <SpallsHurgenson> what have I said about using facts and intelligence to refute my arguments? :)
[01:01:33] <juggs> http://arstechnica.com The transcript snippets of the earth <> cosmonaut conversations are funny (in a dark humour way)
[01:05:00] <juggs> Savinikh: Ive gotten the Rodnik schematics. Pump connected. The valves arent opening. Theres an icicle sticking out of the air pipe. Probably not what you want on a space station I'd imagine :D
[01:05:48] <SpallsHurgenson> "Ah, that familiar smell of home"... Russian Borscht farts are hard to recycle out of the air supply :)
[01:06:11] <juggs> it gets better.
[01:06:50] <SpallsHurgenson> Americans use thermometers, Russians use spit :)
[01:09:34] <juggs> It's the whole "That doesn't make us feel any better" ... "Us neither" following that which cracked me up.
[01:10:58] <SpallsHurgenson> they might not have the best tech, but Russians probably know spaceflight and space-engineering better than anyone
[01:13:17] <SpallsHurgenson> if you can find it, try reading "Dragonfly" by Bryan Burroughs; it's a good read and gives you a good idea about the topic :)
[01:15:08] <juggs> no doubt my library will be able to lay paws on it.
[01:16:52] <SpallsHurgenson> I think that was the book, anyway. IIRC, it was the one about a US astronaut who stayed on MIR for a few months. He didn't have much complimentary to say about the experience though :)
[01:18:21] <juggs> Well it would be unpatriotic to be complimentary about what those evil reds are up to. :D
[01:19:25] <SpallsHurgenson> they weren't evil reds by then. actually, I think he got in trouble with NASA for his opinions
[01:28:17] <juggs> true - it was the time of unprecedented mutual assistance etc. But of course now we're heading back to detente with Ukraine and US v Russia space-peen contests. All good fun as a spectator.
[01:36:35] <juggs> still - nothing new, the Crimea and Ukraine has long been a favourite area to kick around. Long before any spacey considerations.
[01:41:19] <SpallsHurgenson> I blame Microsoft.
[01:41:38] * SpallsHurgenson has been taught by long association with geeks to always assume Microsoft is behind it all :)
[01:46:30] <juggs> aren't they the good guys now? I lose track who we're supposed to be at war or angry with. Yay penguins or something - no wait that can't be right... systemd is our enemy - boo linux distros for capitulating to this, wait no - that can't be right, linux is doubleplusgood this can't be so FZZZZzZTT!
[01:55:27] <chromas> systemctl restart juggs
[01:57:45] <juggs> T-3000 OS Initialised.... scanning hardware....
[02:00:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Samsung Accuses LG Exec of Vandalizing Washing Machines - http://sylnt.us - corporate-espionage-in-the-digital-age
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[02:18:59] <SpallsHurgenson> huh, got 300% boost on 3dmark benchmark with the new gpu, so that's cool (pointless, but cool :)
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[02:26:13] <juggs> oh, is that your 780 Ti ? Forgot what you plumped for in the end.
[02:27:01] <juggs> tee-hee, I submitted the cosmonaut icicles to SN - I fully expect that to be rejected as not in anyway news.
[02:28:22] <juggs> aaand - I already see a grammatical bastard in it. ~sigh~
[02:32:22] <chromas> missing hyphens and stuff? >:)
[02:34:33] <mythterj> Its a good write up Juggs, don't see why it would be rejected. Not much more you could do without telling the whole tale.
[02:37:01] <juggs> "But who can resist the tale of plucky cosmonauts calmly relaying such calm nuggets from a dead..."- how many times can I use "calm" in one sentence - not to mention I use it again further down. Bad writing and it annoys me. Thank god we have editors!
[02:42:39] <juggs> We need an SN Weekend section for these kind of pieces a it's not exactly news. :D
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[02:49:14] <crutchy_> juggs, ~suggest SN weekend edition
[02:49:31] <crutchy_> sounds like a plan :-)
[02:49:55] <juggs> !todo suggest SN weekend edition
[02:49:55] <Bender> todo item 4 added
[02:50:56] <crutchy_> can run that ~suggest command to update suggestions wiki page too if you want
[02:51:08] <juggs> longer more frivolous or historical articles. Something to idle away a sunday morning with.
[02:51:13] <crutchy_> not sure if anyone looks at it
[02:51:25] <crutchy_> yeah
[02:52:05] <SpallsHurgenson> ~suggest put a link to the story queue on the front page instead of burying it under submit story :)
[02:52:14] <exec> *** suggestion successfully added to wiki - http://sylnt.us
[02:52:39] <SpallsHurgenson> oh god, it's the "suggestions from IRC" section... yeah, I'm sure that gets reviewed often :)
[02:52:50] <crutchy_> lol
[02:52:50] <ciri> HEY! don't laugh at me
[02:53:14] <crutchy_> can access that page with a shortcut spalls
[02:53:21] <crutchy_> ~queue
[02:53:25] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 23 - http://sylnt.us
[02:53:51] * SpallsHurgenson wants a clicky-clicky link :)
[02:54:08] <SpallsHurgenson> and a pony!
[02:54:09] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, now now. IRC isn't quite the leper colony here as it is in many other places. Hell, even staff and board meetings are held on this thing.
[02:55:14] <crutchy_> I mainly added a separate section so the script wouldn't screw up the formatting of the existing stuff above
[02:55:22] <chromas> ~suggest http://goatse.cx
[02:55:27] <chromas> aw
[02:55:30] <crutchy_> lol
[02:55:30] <ciri> now that is funny
[02:55:32] <exec> *** suggestion successfully added to wiki - http://sylnt.us
[02:55:44] <SpallsHurgenson> lepers, all of you!
[02:55:48] <juggs> fucking great
[02:56:00] <crutchy_> alms for a leper!
[02:56:01] <chromas> oh, I don't have a user page
[02:56:30] <SpallsHurgenson> erm, sufferers of hansen's disease, all of you!
[02:56:35] <SpallsHurgenson> (more politically correct :)
[02:56:51] <chromas> mmmbop
[02:57:09] <crutchy_> at least only nickserv id'ed folks can use it
[02:57:30] <crutchy_> we already tested that :-)
[02:57:59] <juggs> I didn't know leprosy was politically incorrect. Soon "the" will be declared politically incorrect... that will be challenging.
[02:58:20] <crutchy_> back to the grindstone. see yas later
[02:58:22] <swiss> your talk of politically correct is a trigger for me, please preface that with a trigger warning
[02:58:32] <SpallsHurgenson> no, "the" is fine. it's the letter "e" that is troublesome
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[02:58:52] <juggs> ok
[02:59:01] <SpallsHurgenson> that is to say, "th" is fin, it is th lttr "" that is troublsom :)
[03:00:15] <juggs> so I'm off to adopt the horizontal position. No "" at all.
[03:05:37] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, you stupid stupid website... if a character isn't valid in a password, it would be nice if you told me BEFORE you accepted my changes
[03:21:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Print Publication Shuttered at Macworld, Editorial Staff "Reduced" - http://sylnt.us - dead-tree-media-decay
[03:22:20] <SpallsHurgenson> it upsets me when magazines close; what do they expect me to read on the can?
[03:22:53] <chromas> If not a tablet, don't you have a computer in there?
[03:23:12] <SpallsHurgenson> actually... yes and yes :)
[03:23:31] <SpallsHurgenson> but what have I said about using logic and intelligence when refuting my arguments?
[03:25:07] <chromas> Dunno; I wrote it down on a magazine
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[03:25:56] <SpallsHurgenson> right, humor and cleverness is right out too :)
[03:37:12] <SpallsHurgenson> I hate CAPTCHAs.
[03:48:18] <chromas> It's how the robots can tell you're not one of them
[03:49:44] <SpallsHurgenson> well, I should be safe then since I can never pass 'em anymore
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[05:44:20] <chromas> Lost terminal? In a screen session?
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[05:46:56] <geotti> Hey, where did the link to the queue go?
[05:47:32] <geotti> ok, nevermind
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[06:20:39] <Popeidol> I just googled 'soylentnews git'
[06:20:46] <Popeidol> second result: User:Crutchy
[06:21:03] <Popeidol> it's amazing how accurate google can be
[06:28:48] <JamesNZ> :D
[06:29:16] <ar> Popeidol: for me it's fourth result
[06:29:34] <ar> which just shows how bubble-y google can be
[06:34:05] <JamesNZ> duckduckgo++
[06:34:05] <Bender> karma - duckduckgo: 2
[06:34:19] <chromas> bing++
[06:34:19] <Bender> karma - bing: 2
[06:34:23] <chromas> :D :D :D :D
[06:34:43] <JamesNZ> You... you...
[06:35:12] * chromas installs Windows 8 over his arch
[06:35:39] <JamesNZ> Oh the blasphemy!
[06:35:55] <JamesNZ> For shame, chromas, for shame.
[06:36:05] <ar> bi/45
[06:36:09] <ar> whoops
[06:36:11] <ar> bing--
[06:36:11] <Bender> karma - bing: 1
[06:36:23] <JamesNZ> bing--
[06:36:23] <Bender> karma - bing: 0
[06:36:26] <JamesNZ> fedora++
[06:36:26] <Bender> karma - fedora: 14
[06:36:34] <ar> chromas: well, you'll get something partially working as opposed to broken-by-design ;)
[06:39:19] <swiss> i don't even hate windows 8 as much as most of the world
[06:39:24] <swiss> i think i hate archlinux more
[06:39:37] <swiss> archlinux--
[06:39:38] <Bender> karma - archlinux: 48
[06:39:45] <chromas> I thought 8 phone was alright except it's not much customizable
[06:39:57] <swiss> i am talking about desktop
[06:40:04] <chromas> archlinux++ is the best linux because that's what I'm on at the moment
[06:40:04] <Bender> karma - archlinux: 49
[06:40:06] <swiss> it was finally a desktop edition that fit my viewing habits
[06:40:27] <swiss> archlinux - Where you're fighting to keep your system running, despite the maintainers
[06:41:12] <swiss> i had two times I had to put a force flag for a system update on pacman
[06:41:37] <swiss> then, after being reduced to only the bash builtins during one of them when upgrading from 80 miles away, I migrated to debian.
[06:41:52] <chromas> I had to do that to uninstall the patched freetype2 so it wouldn't pull dependencies
[06:42:07] <swiss> i am talking about main system updates
[06:42:16] <chromas> never had a problem
[06:42:17] <chromas> yet
[06:42:18] <swiss> friggin moving /lib and them doing something else
[06:42:39] <JamesNZ> fedora++ is the best distro because that's what I'm on at the moment :D
[06:42:39] <Bender> karma - fedora: 15
[06:42:41] <swiss> the maintainers had a clear disregard for the havock they were wrecking on people's systems
[06:42:46] <swiss> JamesNZ: MEH RPM
[06:42:54] <JamesNZ> swiss: RPM FTW!
[06:43:01] <swiss> though I will always hate rpm, cause of running redhat back in the early 2000s
[06:43:06] * JamesNZ yum removes swiss
[06:43:14] <swiss> WHO DOESNT LOVE DEPENDENCY LOOPS
[06:43:17] <chromas> sudo zypper up
[06:43:20] <ar> Install Gentoo!
[06:43:24] <swiss> ar++
[06:43:24] <Bender> karma - ar: 5
[06:43:29] <chromas> dependency loops would be the fault of the packager
[06:43:30] * JamesNZ gags
[06:43:40] <swiss> chromas: until they're in the main repository
[06:43:50] <swiss> then it's the fault of the repository maintainers
[06:44:15] <chromas> true; still not a file format issue, though
[06:44:17] <ar> http://runningahackerspace.tumblr.com
[06:44:50] <JamesNZ> XD
[06:44:53] <chromas> I tried to run gentoo before. Worked great until getting to the graphic drivers; for some reason I just couldn't
[06:44:55] <swiss> chromas: rpm packaging is the worst of all of the types, from what i've heard from developers
[06:44:56] <JamesNZ> ar++
[06:44:56] <Bender> karma - ar: 6
[06:45:12] <swiss> i had gentoo running reliably on my inspiron 300m
[06:45:19] <JamesNZ> swiss: It's not that bad.
[06:45:22] <swiss> well, I *have* gentoo running reliably on it
[06:45:25] <swiss> it works wonderfully
[06:45:37] * JamesNZ notes that he hasn't had experience with any other package type
[06:45:38] <ar> chromas: getting nvidia and fglrx drivers running on gentoo is significantly easier than on other distributions
[06:45:46] <swiss> also, you don't *have* to compile everything yourself. Get a good binhost and it's easy
[06:46:02] <chromas> well then wouldn't I just be running arch?
[06:46:15] <swiss> JamesNZ: i have heard arch's pacman format is best, followed by gentoo's ebuilds or w/e, followed by debs
[06:46:36] <JamesNZ> swiss: Ah.
[06:46:38] <ar> not really, no
[06:46:41] <swiss> chromas: no, cause gentoos maintainers CARE
[06:46:49] <ar> swiss: lolnope
[06:46:55] <swiss> ar: more than arch maintainers
[06:47:01] <ar> exherbo maintainers do care
[06:47:03] <chromas> ar: I think he meant it as an acronym
[06:47:18] <ar> because there are like 70users/developers of that distro
[06:47:29] <swiss> i have done an emerge -NauvD world on systems >1 year old
[06:47:32] <swiss> and it worked fine
[06:47:35] <ar> and everyone yells at each other on an irc channel if things go wrong
[06:47:41] <swiss> nothing broke, everything was happy
[06:47:44] <swiss> good luck doing that on arch
[06:48:22] <chromas> systemctl start flamethrowers
[06:49:29] <swiss> oh, that's another great point
[06:49:41] <swiss> no, you wouldn't be running arch, cause you wouldn't have systemd
[06:49:47] <swiss> BADABING BADABOOM
[06:50:56] <JamesNZ> Ahhh, systemd. The best flame-war-instigator since Emacs and Vim.
[06:51:40] <swiss> at least with gentoo I HAVE A CHOICE
[06:51:46] <swiss> also, you can always "emerge pacman"
[06:51:57] <swiss> all this said, I run ubuntu on my lappy
[06:52:00] <swiss> cause it works nicely
[06:52:11] <swiss> plays nice with system76 hardware
[06:52:22] <chromas> shouldn't they all?
[06:52:30] <chromas> thought that was the point of system76
[06:52:31] <swiss> ehhhhhhhhhh
[06:52:36] <swiss> theoretically
[06:52:41] <swiss> system76 is a ubuntu shop
[06:52:49] <swiss> or at least they were when i bought this
[06:53:47] <ar> i would love to support them (system76), but they just don't make hardware i'm interested in
[06:53:57] <chromas> well now that NC's resigned, we can all agree that ubuntu sucks, right? Right? (elbow jab)
[06:54:08] <ar> i mean, i want a trackpoint on my laptop. and physical pointer buttons
[06:54:35] <ar> and a high-resolution anti-glare screen
[06:54:49] <swiss> i don't have a trackpoint, but i have physical pointers
[06:55:15] <swiss> my reqs were i7 quad, <15", <5lb, non-chiclet keyboard
[06:55:50] <swiss> my *wishes* were 1200p display, trackpoint, no webcam, dell charger
[06:56:07] <swiss> i got all my reqs, and i got a hw disable-able webcam
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[07:06:45] <geotti> swiss: what's that labtop your talking about?
[07:08:06] <swiss> geotti: a dell inspiron 300m? or my lemur ultrabook 4?
[07:08:59] * geotti 's requirements are metal case, discrete (non-intel graphics card), room for a second harddrive, USB3, TB2. Wishes are: express card slot.
[07:09:03] <geotti> i'll take any size
[07:09:23] <swiss> you're dealing with a portable workstation :X
[07:09:30] <swiss> i already have one of those with work
[07:09:35] <swiss> i don't want anoter
[07:09:46] <arti> labtop.
[07:09:50] <geotti> well, I only have one main computer and it should be portable
[07:09:55] <geotti> yeah, a labtob
[07:09:56] <geotti> : )
[07:10:06] <swiss> hp 8570w is what i'm moving to at work
[07:10:09] * arti recalls seeing that written on a whiteboard in the 90s
[07:10:10] <swiss> that might work for you
[07:10:11] <geotti> It's ok, if it's so heavy that it's on wheels
[07:10:36] <swiss> i'm really creative with my naming schemes for laptops
[07:10:39] <swiss> the 300m was "swisstop"
[07:10:41] * geotti goes to have a look
[07:10:52] <swiss> the new lemu4 laptop is "lemu-swisstop"
[07:10:56] <swiss> :D
[07:11:40] <geotti> wow, a quadro
[07:11:43] <geotti> that's nice
[07:12:16] <swiss> 32GB ram is also nice
[07:12:49] <geotti> and it's cheap
[07:13:22] <swiss> 1080p is nice too
[07:13:30] <swiss> and honestly, the weight is manageable
[07:13:34] <geotti> ah, that I don't care too much about
[07:13:37] <swiss> physical button to open it is nice
[07:13:55] <swiss> well, whatever I use I have to wear on my back when I motorcycle
[07:14:15] * geotti bicycles
[07:14:32] <geotti> it'd be nice if I can carry it, too : )
[07:14:33] <swiss> you're crazy, you daredevil
[07:14:40] <geotti> oh, we've got bikelanes here
[07:15:09] <swiss> like that protects you from a texter
[07:15:19] <swiss> unless they are not on the road at all
[07:15:21] <geotti> yeah, I know how to drive : )
[07:15:34] <geotti> I mean a car
[07:15:51] <swiss> i meant your bike lanes
[07:15:56] <swiss> are they a lane at the side of the road
[07:16:03] <swiss> or are they off-road bicycle paths
[07:16:16] * geotti goes to look for express-card to thunderbolt 2 extension cards
[07:16:27] <geotti> swiss: that depends
[07:16:42] <swiss> i feel so much safer in all my motorcycle gear than I do on a bicycle
[07:17:14] <geotti> lol, that's the opposite of what I'm looking for, but fun, nonetheless: http://www.sonnettech.com
[07:17:14] <monopoly> ^ 03Sonnet - Echo ExpressCard/34 Thunderbolt Adapter
[07:17:43] <geotti> swiss: I enjoy running red lights a lot on the bike
[07:18:47] <geotti> well, lack of TB is a deal breaker : (
[07:18:57] <geotti> and the 4 pin FW400 sucks too
[07:20:30] <swiss> ew
[07:21:12] <geotti> there's a PCI thunderbolt (1) card... but how am I supposed to connect that to the portable
[07:23:09] <geotti> guess I'll have to go with a macbook pro and http://www.magma.com
[07:23:14] <monopoly> ^ 03ExpressBox 3T | Magma
[07:24:53] <swiss> i hate trying to rent places
[07:25:30] <geotti> don't try, just do it
[07:25:31] <geotti> : )
[07:25:47] <swiss> it's hard when the rental agents are all scumbags
[07:26:03] <geotti> that's nothing new, though
[07:26:45] <geotti> rofl, this is awesome: http://www.sonnettech.com
[07:26:46] <monopoly> ^ 03Sonnet - xMac Pro Server Thunderbolt 2 PCIe Enclosure
[07:29:10] <geotti> well, yeah, so nothing new yet... Hope I can postpone getting a new portable as much as possible
[07:29:22] <geotti> will be spending 4k again, I guess...
[07:29:46] <geotti> my main gripe with the current MBPs is the lack of additional hardware bay
[07:29:56] <geotti> s/hardware/harddrive/
[07:29:56] <SedBot9000> <geotti> my main gripe with the current MBPs is the lack of additional harddrive bay
[07:30:20] <geotti> and, of course, the soldered ram...
[07:31:33] <geotti> "HP recommends Windows." ... no comment
[07:31:44] <geotti> OSX++
[07:31:44] <Bender> karma - osx: 0
[07:32:10] <ar> swiss: the latest system76 laptops only have clickpads and chiclet keyboards
[07:32:42] <geotti> I like their laptops with leap integrated. That's cool
[07:32:58] <swiss> ar: i saw, and i complained at SCaLE
[07:33:04] <swiss> geotti: leap?
[07:33:20] <geotti> swiss: https://www.leapmotion.com
[07:33:21] <monopoly> ^ 03Leap Motion | Mac PC Motion Controller for Games, Design, & More
[07:34:36] <swiss> THATS BADASS
[07:34:38] <swiss> how did i not know
[07:34:39] <ciri> doing great here
[07:35:07] <geotti> swiss: it's kinda new
[07:35:50] * geotti will never find the perfect labtop...
[07:36:07] <chromas> Is Sager still around?
[07:36:23] <chromas> (or any good? I haven't read much about its quality)
[07:36:34] <geotti> chromas: https://www.sagernotebook.com
[07:36:35] <monopoly> ^ 03custom gaming laptops - Welcome to Sager Notebooks
[07:36:37] <geotti> thanks looking at it
[07:37:01] <swiss> sager uses the same cases as sys76 iirc
[07:37:07] <swiss> trying to remember the brand name
[07:38:05] <swiss> linux support is in beta
[07:38:13] <swiss> might buy for fun
[07:40:04] <geotti> "Sager recommends Windows 8.1"
[07:40:06] <geotti> wtf?!
[07:40:50] <geotti> hehe they have a laptop with SLI'd graphics
[07:41:58] <geotti> http://www.sagernotebook.com I wish they'd have ECC memory instead of that "gaming" stuff
[07:41:59] <monopoly> ^ 03custom gaming laptops - Welcome to Sager Notebooks
[07:45:25] <geotti> matte screen... i *like* that
[07:47:17] <geotti> the cases are plastic, though, right?
[07:47:50] <swiss> so i wear jeans to work everyday as is, but i'm definitely debating wearing slacks just cause they hang nicer in my closet
[07:48:03] <swiss> but slacks and a tee shirt looks weird
[07:48:12] <chromas> http://www.amazon.com
[07:48:41] <geotti> chromas: lol : )
[07:48:56] <geotti> it's not about the looks
[07:49:11] <geotti> i probably couldn't care less about looks
[07:49:19] <chromas> Once it looks right, you just have to convince yourself it is
[07:49:21] <geotti> then again, I can machine my own case, I guess
[07:49:29] <geotti> some titanium alloy
[07:49:42] <geotti> gotta ask the Russians
[07:49:48] <crutchy> coffee++
[07:49:48] <Bender> karma - coffee: 803
[07:49:52] <chromas> acrylic
[07:50:04] <chromas> or glass sheets
[07:50:32] <crutchy> ~g'day chromas
[07:50:33] <exec> * crutchy lagubriously postulates a used franger of coffee++ towards chromas
[07:51:15] <chromas> ~g'day crutchy
[07:51:16] <exec> * chromas spontaneously hurls an anvil of milo at crutchy
[07:51:33] <chromas> whoops, I got your coffee++ and you got the chocolate beverage
[07:51:42] <geotti> chromas: maybe carbon, but I need something sturdy
[07:52:23] <swiss> geotti: https://www.youtube.com
[07:52:24] <monopoly> ^ 03Titanium Burn: Real-time - YouTube
[07:52:48] <chromas> geotti: could always build something with a mini-itx
[07:53:09] <chromas> http://www.mini-itx.com
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[07:53:24] <geotti> hm
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[07:53:49] <geotti> with a flight case on wheels that might just work
[07:54:01] <chromas> needs moar ports!
[07:54:02] <geotti> what battery should I use
[07:54:14] <swiss> more
[07:54:20] <swiss> more battery
[07:54:40] <chromas> You know what's pretty portable—a wheel barrow
[07:54:56] <swiss> flight cases around the office are the fanny pack of the modern technological age
[07:54:58] <chromas> Has lots of room for multiple displays and a few batteries
[07:54:59] <swiss> fyi
[07:55:12] <geotti> they don't go on a plane, chromas
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[07:55:39] * geotti 's office is on the beach
[07:55:47] <geotti> soon
[07:55:52] <swiss> i worked on the beach last week
[07:56:32] <crutchy> tama, sex is work
[07:56:48] <chromas> tama++
[07:56:48] <Bender> karma - tama: 2
[07:57:01] <chromas> swiss: did you get it fixed?
[07:57:57] <lentilSoup> chameleon++
[07:57:57] <Bender> karma - chameleon: 4
[07:58:02] <swiss> i felt sick after the first day of outside and went home
[07:58:04] <chromas> looking at that itx laptop reminds me how terrible digital cameras used to be
[07:59:23] <lentilSoup> police++
[07:59:23] <Bender> karma - police: 0
[07:59:27] <crutchy> what's new man?
[07:59:38] <crutchy> noticed that tama has been revived :)
[08:00:10] <lentilSoup> whore++
[08:00:10] <Bender> karma - whore: 3
[08:00:29] <lentilSoup> And here I thought I had an original one.
[08:00:33] <crutchy> someone gave it ass to bot resuscitation
[08:00:55] <chromas> Yep, arti stopped by
[08:01:38] <chromas> swiss: you could do office on the new bike
[08:02:06] <chromas> Chordal keyboard on the handlebars et cetera
[08:02:25] <swiss> lol
[08:02:34] <swiss> i could just work from home too
[08:02:48] <lentilSoup> OH NOES MY OS CRASHED
[08:02:58] <swiss> lentilSoup: download more windows
[08:02:59] <geotti> and contact lenses with an integrated display
[08:03:41] <lentilSoup> MY BIKE LOCK WAS EXPLOITED
[08:04:26] <geotti> next time just stay home and download doom to your printer
[08:04:48] <lentilSoup> swiss: I have a fever and the only prescription is MORE WINDOWS
[08:05:22] <lentilSoup> But, please, no more than 7.
[08:05:43] <chromas> work from home? Nah, too static! You need to actionable the dynamics of the road to invigorate the synergies
[08:05:54] <crutchy> does xtree gold count?
[08:06:03] <crutchy> its kinda windowsish
[08:06:33] <geotti> crutchy: you can have http://ztree.com
[08:06:34] <monopoly> ^ 03ZTreeWin File Manager (XTree compatible)
[08:06:36] * chromas got a WordPerfect document today
[08:06:42] * chromas sheds a tear for WP
[08:06:43] <crutchy> or go amiga workbench. one click and you'll be all bettererer
[08:08:06] <crutchy> ooh that website makes me wanna go whip up an autexec.bat menu
[08:08:18] <chromas> lol
[08:08:57] <chromas> Didn't know xtree invented hierarchical directories
[08:09:44] <chromas> underwear_systems++
[08:09:44] <Bender> karma - underwear_systems: 1
[08:10:16] <swiss> lentilSoup: i like my 8
[08:10:21] <swiss> ewll, i odn't run 8
[08:10:23] <swiss> but i like 8
[08:10:32] <swiss> it understands the way I use a computer
[08:10:40] <geotti> this doesn't have TB, but is pretty cool nonetheless: http://www.avadirect.com
[08:10:42] <monopoly> ^ 03Build AVADirect Rugged Notebook - Getac X500
[08:11:13] <geotti> It has a "night vision LCD"
[08:12:18] <lentilSoup> swiss: Yes, randomly dividing all the system settings between the control panel, the snap-in console and the Charms Bar is just what I had in mind when I bought a new computer.
[08:13:00] <geotti> osx++
[08:13:00] <Bender> karma - osx: 1
[08:13:42] <chromas> How many clicks does it take to get to the center of the network adapter config?
[08:13:43] <ciri> don't ask me!
[08:13:52] <crutchy> but... but.. but... the fish is gone! why is the fish gone?
[08:14:40] <lentilSoup> Set up VPN connections using the Control Panel. Open it up, and it starts the Charms Bar. Whoops, wrong password? Gotta close the Charms Bar and go to the control panel again.
[08:14:42] <crutchy> ciri, apt-get install windows8
[08:15:00] <lentilSoup> chromas: Exactly.
[08:15:28] <geotti> osx++ it's got what devs crave
[08:15:28] <Bender> karma - osx: 2
[08:15:31] <chromas> it went up a lot for vista, then down in 7. Haven't used 8 much
[08:15:53] <crutchy> geotti, mustard?
[08:16:19] <geotti> crutchy: Foundation Framework
[08:16:23] * geotti ducks and runs away
[08:16:43] <chromas> A while back, somebody said the newest Al Yankovic was a dissapointment. I'd just like to concur but Pandora keeps putting it into my earballs
[08:16:47] <crutchy> fiik what that is. does it come in choc flavoured?
[08:17:31] <geotti> unfortunately, there's no proper labtops made for os x
[08:17:37] <geotti> nor desktops (anymore)
[08:18:16] <crutchy> you're just holding them wrong
[08:23:10] <crutchy> http://www.macbreaker.com
[08:24:04] <geotti> crutchy: https://forums.virtualbox.org
[08:24:05] <crutchy> uses a priated torrent download though, so that kinda sux :/
[08:24:46] <geotti> same for thunderbolt.
[08:24:47] * crutchy has never used firewire
[08:24:58] * geotti has a firewire soundcard and needs it to work
[08:25:01] <crutchy> something kinda between usb2 and 3 speeds?
[08:25:18] <geotti> more like low latency
[08:25:29] <geotti> but yeah, 800mbps
[08:26:14] <geotti> pro gear is firewire, pci, or thunderbolt
[08:26:35] <crutchy> wth would a sound card need 800mbps for? are you mixing from a bunch of different sources?
[08:26:55] <geotti> multitrack recording
[08:27:01] <geotti> so yeah
[08:27:09] <geotti> but also latency
[08:27:27] <geotti> and in addition to that I also need GPU power... so I'm basically fucked
[08:27:50] <crutchy> fucked meaning you gotta use windows?
[08:28:01] <geotti> no, meaning there's no gear that fits my specs
[08:28:09] <geotti> I gotta use OS X
[08:28:11] <geotti> osx++
[08:28:11] <Bender> karma - osx: 3
[08:28:18] <geotti> for logic
[08:28:29] <crutchy> can you install windows in parallels?
[08:28:38] <geotti> yes, but why would I want windows?
[08:28:38] <crutchy> won't be native, but ?
[08:28:49] <crutchy> for firewire support i guess
[08:28:59] <crutchy> i dunno. never used a mac or parallels
[08:29:02] <geotti> oh, there's TB-FW adapters
[08:29:11] <geotti> that's not the problem
[08:29:50] <geotti> the problem is the lack of an optical bay, where I can put my HDD in to carry it around and the lack of GPU power (quadra would be awesome)
[08:30:17] <geotti> I basically have several use cases, for music and basic dev work a MBP is fine
[08:30:48] <geotti> but for graphics and 3d dev work, I need more power
[08:31:07] <geotti> but I'd like it portable
[08:31:22] <geotti> (in the sense that it's self-contained)
[08:31:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Another Italian City Switches to OpenOffice - http://sylnt.us - premium-licensing
[08:31:44] <crutchy> maybe you could set up a server to do the heavy lifting and ssh into from your lappy
[08:32:02] <geotti> crutchy: not for Oculus work
[08:32:08] * chromas remembers the Jesusonic
[08:32:14] <crutchy> ~define oculus
[08:32:16] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3oculus: something is big and globe like
[08:32:20] <crutchy> lol
[08:32:20] <ciri> rofl
[08:32:54] <geotti> http://www.oculusvr.com
[08:32:55] <monopoly> ^ 03Oculus Rift - Virtual Reality Headset for 3D Gaming | Oculus VR®
[08:33:02] <chromas> So an oculus rift must be the scortal seam
[08:33:17] <chromas> s/or/ro/
[08:33:17] <SedBot9000> <chromas> So an oculus rift must be the scrotal seam
[08:34:02] <crutchy> so you developing vr games for osx?
[08:34:32] <geotti> I'm developing an immersive graph manipulation environment
[08:34:48] <geotti> on os x
[08:34:49] <geotti> osx++
[08:34:49] <Bender> karma - osx: 4
[08:34:54] <crutchy> coooool. except for the osx bit :p
[08:35:16] <geotti> why, what does it matter what I'm developing it on for you? :)
[08:35:20] <crutchy> can you cluster beowulf style?
[08:35:24] <geotti> probably
[08:35:27] <geotti> but not currently
[08:35:48] <crutchy> only so much grunt can get out of a lappy
[08:35:59] <geotti> yeah, true
[08:36:04] <geotti> the processing can be remote
[08:36:19] <crutchy> even animation studios develop in low res and crunch the high res shit in their farms
[08:36:26] <geotti> but it needs to drive the interaction (kinect and other NUI stuff) and viz (oculus
[08:39:22] <geotti> if I want to be able to intuitively manipulate *huge* datasets, I need it to be quite responsive and hi-res too (it's just nodes and edges besides the UIy, so that's not taxing, but the amount of information is)
[08:40:42] <geotti> so if someone wants to zoom out on let's say the gdelt dataset it'll be difficult
[08:40:54] <geotti> http://gdeltproject.org
[08:40:56] <monopoly> ^ 03The GDELT Project
[08:44:35] * geotti hates browser crashes!!!
[08:51:33] <geotti> I guess I'd go with a thinkpad w540
[08:53:08] <geotti> around the same price as a retina mbp with much more bang for the buck
[08:53:27] <geotti> just TB 1, but at least there's an express card slot
[08:54:32] <crutchy> can you put osx on it?
[08:55:56] <geotti> possibly. Didn't look much into hackintoshes
[08:58:12] <geotti> w530 works apparently
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[09:03:34] <lentilSoup> There's always room for lentils!
[09:03:59] <chromas> lentil soup sounds good
[09:04:20] <chromas> Maybe in a couple days. Tomorrow's going to be bbq steak pizza
[09:04:41] <chromas> Or today; whatever
[09:04:54] <lentilSoup> steak pizza?
[09:05:05] <chromas> yeah
[09:05:08] <lentilSoup> You're American, I take it?
[09:05:17] <chromas> cut into strips and put it with bbq sauce
[09:05:29] <geotti> yuck, meat
[09:05:36] <chromas> meat++
[09:05:36] <Bender> karma - meat: 5
[09:05:52] <geotti> lsd++
[09:05:52] <Bender> karma - lsd: 1
[09:05:57] <lentilSoup> soy++
[09:05:57] <Bender> karma - soy: 1
[09:06:08] <geotti> fruit++
[09:06:08] <Bender> karma - fruit: 1
[09:06:15] <lentilSoup> food++
[09:06:15] <Bender> karma - food: 2
[09:06:15] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[09:06:16] <monopoly> ^ 03Invader Zim Soundtrack - Space Meat - YouTube
[09:06:35] <chromas> ah damit; soundtrack--
[09:06:40] <geotti> the circle of violence has to be interrupted somewhere
[09:06:44] <geotti> so no meat
[09:06:45] <geotti> : )
[09:06:56] <chromas> Won't somebody please think about the vegetables?
[09:07:09] <chromas> Plant murder!
[09:07:14] <lentilSoup> http://www.youtube.com
[09:07:15] <monopoly> ^ 03Vegetable Rights And Peace! Neil, The Young Ones - YouTube
[09:07:16] <chromas> plus all the critters in the fields
[09:07:46] <lentilSoup> mmm... critters
[09:07:54] <chromas> critters are meat
[09:08:27] <chromas> meatctl enable cow slices
[09:09:01] <crutchy> its the great circle of death
[09:09:05] <chromas> But we can all agree new york pizza sucks
[09:09:23] <JamesNZ> Anyone want to try out some Python code for me? I'm mainly interested in seeing how long it takes on computers faster than mine (a core 2 duo). All it requires is Python 2 and matplotlib.
[09:09:32] <chromas> crutchy: for sure. And should we let their deaths go to waste?
[09:09:46] <chromas> JamesNZ: link me
[09:09:48] <JamesNZ> Though, you could actually skip the plotting since I'm only interested in the time.
[09:09:54] <JamesNZ> chromas: Neato, one sec.
[09:10:15] * chromas checks if matplotlib is installed
[09:10:27] <JamesNZ> I'll comment that bit out.
[09:11:04] * chromas wishes linux-igd wasn't dead
[09:11:53] <lentilSoup> roasted animal carcasses++
[09:12:12] <lentilSoup> roasted-animal-carcasses++
[09:12:14] <crutchy> ooh matlab
[09:12:17] <lentilSoup> :(
[09:12:20] <crutchy> matlab++
[09:12:20] <Bender> karma - matlab: 1
[09:12:26] <chromas> crutchy: s/a/i/2
[09:12:26] <SedBot9000> <chromas> <crutchy> matlib++
[09:12:35] <crutchy> [roasted animal carcasses]++
[09:12:35] <Bender> karma - [roasted animal carcasses]: 1
[09:12:38] <chromas> +plot
[09:12:46] <crutchy> (roasted animal carcasses)++
[09:12:46] <Bender> karma - (roasted animal carcasses): 1
[09:12:50] <lentilSoup> whitespace++
[09:12:50] <Bender> karma - whitespace: 1
[09:12:55] <chromas> too bad they don't count the same
[09:13:01] <crutchy> {roasted animal carcasses}++
[09:13:07] <crutchy> hmm not those
[09:13:13] <chromas> crutchy: it must be pascal
[09:13:19] <chromas> uses {} for comments
[09:13:24] <JamesNZ> Hrmph, Drobox stalls on a 13KB tarball...
[09:13:25] <crutchy> begin roasted animal carcasses end++
[09:13:41] <lentilSoup> goto10++
[09:13:42] <Bender> karma - goto10: 1
[09:13:53] <lentilSoup> goto
[09:13:54] <lentilSoup> goto++
[09:13:54] <Bender> karma - goto: 3
[09:13:57] <geotti> closures++
[09:13:57] <Bender> karma - closures: 1
[09:13:59] <chromas> while(0)--
[09:14:01] <lentilSoup> goto++
[09:14:01] <Bender> karma - goto: 4
[09:14:03] <lentilSoup> goto++
[09:14:03] <Bender> karma - goto: 5
[09:14:03] <lentilSoup> goto++
[09:14:03] <Bender> karma - goto: 6
[09:14:04] <lentilSoup> goto++
[09:14:04] <Bender> karma - goto: 7
[09:14:04] <lentilSoup> goto++
[09:14:04] <Bender> karma - goto: 8
[09:14:08] <geotti> whitespace--
[09:14:08] <Bender> karma - whitespace: 0
[09:14:14] <lentilSoup> goto++
[09:14:14] <Bender> karma - goto: 9
[09:14:17] <lentilSoup> goto++
[09:14:17] <Bender> karma - goto: 10
[09:14:22] <lentilSoup> My work here is done.
[09:14:24] <chromas> combobreaker++
[09:14:24] <Bender> karma - combobreaker: 1
[09:14:31] <lentilSoup> lol
[09:14:32] <ciri> HAHAHAHA
[09:14:34] <chromas> to late
[09:14:42] <JamesNZ> chromas: https://www.dropbox.com
[09:14:43] <monopoly> ^ 03Dropbox - 404
[09:14:47] <geotti> dropbox--
[09:14:47] <Bender> karma - dropbox: -1
[09:15:16] <crutchy> dropbox--
[09:15:16] <Bender> karma - dropbox: -2
[09:15:26] <JamesNZ> chromas: There's a couple of files there, all you need to do is run plot_resilience() from 'application2.py'.
[09:15:33] <chromas> dropbox-- for lying to the robot
[09:15:33] <Bender> karma - dropbox: -3
[09:15:43] <chromas> k
[09:16:00] <crutchy> dropboxctl install conficker
[09:16:15] <geotti> systemd--
[09:16:15] <Bender> karma - systemd: -3
[09:16:18] * JamesNZ commented out the matplotlib stuff, so shouldn't have to worry 'bout dat
[09:17:00] * chromas is getting buried in windows and tabs; needs to learn2clean
[09:17:53] * geotti suggests chromas to try and turn on hot-corners for expose, but then remembers that chromas doesn't have os x
[09:17:57] <lentilSoup> Say, what's the numbers for visits and comments when it's night in North America?
[09:18:01] <geotti> osx++ for handling any amount of windows
[09:18:01] <Bender> karma - osx: 5
[09:18:24] <crutchy> whatabout vista and win8... together?
[09:18:26] <lentilSoup> All these posts look mighty lonley.
[09:18:30] <lentilSoup> lonely.
[09:18:48] <crutchy> lentilSoup, s/lonely/ronery/
[09:18:48] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> <lentilSoup> ronery.
[09:19:00] <chromas> geotti: kde has the same thing
[09:19:03] <lentilSoup> Never saw the movie.
[09:19:10] <geotti> kde++
[09:19:10] <Bender> karma - kde: -1
[09:19:13] <chromas> it also steals from Wondows
[09:19:26] <crutchy> full of bloat?
[09:19:30] <geotti> Wondows (?)
[09:19:40] <geotti> s/?/tm
[09:19:40] * SedBot9000 offers gitti a /
[09:19:50] <lentilSoup> Wondows Vosta.
[09:19:54] <geotti> lol
[09:19:56] <crutchy> things that smosh when you throw exceptions at them
[09:20:24] <geotti> s/?/tm
[09:20:24] * SedBot9000 offers gitti a /
[09:20:29] <geotti> ahrg
[09:20:31] <crutchy> lentilSoup, s/o/i/2
[09:20:31] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> <lentilSoup> Wondiws Vosta.
[09:20:37] <lentilSoup> HA
[09:20:59] * geotti offers crutchy some virtual desktops
[09:21:20] <crutchy> i'm running one atm
[09:21:32] <geotti> one virtual desktop?
[09:21:40] <geotti> how's that going for ya? ; ))
[09:21:59] <crutchy> virtually ok i guess :p
[09:22:03] <crutchy> debian++
[09:22:03] <Bender> karma - debian: 24
[09:22:31] <crutchy> running debian with gnome in a virtualbox on win7 host
[09:22:32] <geotti> debian++ for running rockstable
[09:22:32] <Bender> karma - debian: 25
[09:23:04] * geotti doesn't use windows since 2004, only repairs these boxes for hard cold cash
[09:23:16] <geotti> it's a steady stream of income too
[09:23:18] <geotti> conficker++
[09:23:18] <Bender> karma - conficker: 1
[09:23:33] <lentilSoup> Linux users are like vegans.
[09:23:52] <lentilSoup> How do you know if someone's a vegan?
[09:23:59] <lentilSoup> They'll tell you.
[09:24:17] * geotti just doesn't eat meat
[09:24:26] <chromas> JamesNZ: queerest thing—it tells me name 'file' is not defined (in load_graph.py)
[09:24:54] <chromas> archlinux++ for epeen extension
[09:24:54] <Bender> karma - archlinux: 50
[09:25:06] <chromas> EF's extension
[09:25:14] <lentilSoup> --++
[09:25:25] <lentilSoup> lentils++
[09:25:25] <Bender> karma - lentils: 1
[09:26:17] <chromas> lentil roast—lentil soup you can eat with a fork
[09:27:00] <JamesNZ> chromas: Hmm, that's all?
[09:27:50] <chromas> File "/home/chromas/build/jamesnz-code/load_graph.py", line 73, in load_graph
[09:27:50] <chromas> graph_file = file("alg_rf7.txt", "r")
[09:28:03] <chromas> NameError: name 'file' is not defined
[09:30:03] <JamesNZ> Hmm, weird, that's part of the Python standard library.
[09:30:19] <JamesNZ> Ah well, nevermind. Thanks anyway chromas :)
[09:31:16] <crutchy> there's about a million standard libraries for python isn't there? and they all have weird names
[09:31:22] <chromas> that's python3; python2 has different errors
[09:31:29] <crutchy> like twisted-franger
[09:31:45] <chromas> nobody wants a straight franger
[09:32:09] <JamesNZ> It's gotta be deviant, yo.
[09:36:10] <chromas> looks like file isn't part of python3, according to the internet
[09:37:57] <geotti> python3--
[09:37:57] <Bender> karma - python3: -1
[09:39:20] <chromas> but in 2, it complains about a non-iterable object :(
[09:39:38] <geotti> non-iterables--
[09:39:43] * chromas browses around some more, determined to exe-mecute this'ere script
[09:39:56] <chromas> ␈?
[09:40:14] <geotti> tax_refunds++
[09:40:14] <Bender> karma - tax_refunds: 1
[09:40:19] <geotti> yay!
[09:40:23] <chromas> ␈␈␈␈␈␈␈␈␈␈␈␈␈␈␈␈
[09:42:00] <crutchy> chromas, is there a py2pas?
[09:42:14] <geotti> pip++
[09:42:14] <Bender> karma - pip: 1
[09:42:42] <chromas> crutchy: not that I can find :(
[09:42:50] <chromas> pascal++
[09:42:50] <Bender> karma - pascal: 24
[09:42:53] <chromas> delphi++
[09:42:54] <Bender> karma - delphi: 17
[09:43:18] <geotti> ASM++
[09:43:18] <Bender> karma - asm: 2
[09:43:29] <geotti> binary++
[09:43:29] <Bender> karma - binary: 1
[09:43:32] <chromas> opcodes++
[09:43:32] <Bender> karma - opcodes: 1
[09:43:59] <JamesNZ> chromas: Oh ho, now I'm seeing that non-iterable error. Weird because it worked fine earlier.
[09:44:36] <chromas> I corrupted your copy
[09:45:03] <chromas> was it because of disabling matplotlib?
[09:45:09] <geotti> scotland++
[09:45:09] <Bender> karma - scotland: 1
[09:45:20] <JamesNZ> chromas: Nope, it's enabled here and still getting that error.
[09:45:31] <chromas> :\
[09:45:54] <geotti> https://www.youtube.com
[09:45:55] <monopoly> ^ 03Burnistoun S1E1 - Voice Recognition Elevator - ELEVEN! - YouTube
[09:46:59] <crutchy> chromas, python3-pbs maybe?
[09:47:20] <crutchy> or python-pbs for python2
[09:50:03] <geotti> https://www.youtube.com
[09:50:04] <monopoly> ^ 03A Conference Call in Real Life - YouTube
[09:50:04] <JamesNZ> chromas: Oh, I got it :) Change the return statement on line 53 of project2.py to `return visited`.
[09:50:26] <JamesNZ> Looks like I was debugging earlier and forgot to remove that code.
[09:51:05] <chromas> neat
[09:51:08] <chromas> taking a while
[09:51:16] <chromas> probably should've prefixed it with time
[09:51:17] <crutchy> python reminds me of apk
[09:51:38] <crutchy> now i'll prolly never touch the language
[09:51:42] <chromas> his name was apt
[09:51:57] <chromas> ever seen android software? java + xml
[09:52:00] <chromas> in an apk
[09:52:04] <crutchy> yeah
[09:52:07] <chromas> so it's very verbose and repetitive
[09:52:36] <chromas> random ALL CAPS and REFERENCING its own POSTS EVERYWHERE
[09:53:18] <chromas> still going
[09:53:19] <crutchy> not to mention full of OpEn SoReS! lol ha apk ps i love hosts file. apk
[09:53:28] * chromas puts an energizer in the shell
[09:53:32] <JamesNZ> Yeah, that's why I'm wondering what's up with it.
[09:53:42] <chromas> JamesNZ: how long does it take for you?
[09:53:47] * JamesNZ is going to try and test it on his Mum's more powerful lappie
[09:53:54] <chromas> only occupying one core
[09:54:05] <crutchy> check line 5... make sure there's no indentation bug :p
[09:54:06] <JamesNZ> chromas: No idea, I left it for about 3 minutes and it still hadn't finished.
[09:54:13] <geotti> whitespace--
[09:54:13] <Bender> karma - whitespace: -1
[09:54:24] <geotti> closures++
[09:54:24] <Bender> karma - closures: 2
[09:54:50] <crutchy> delphi++
[09:54:50] <Bender> karma - delphi: 18
[09:55:03] <JamesNZ> chromas: Other people reported running times of about 5 minutes, so I dunno whether it's my code that's the bottleneck or my machine. I'm leaning towards my code :)
[09:55:26] <chromas> so it does complete then
[09:55:29] <chromas> :D
[09:55:29] <crutchy> i see the problem JamesNZ. there's a snake in your pipe
[09:55:34] <geotti> .net--
[09:55:36] <chromas> infinite_loops++
[09:55:36] <Bender> karma - infinite_loops: 1
[09:55:50] <chromas> crutchy: would you say it's monty?
[09:56:00] <crutchy> full monty
[09:56:19] <JamesNZ> chromas: :P
[09:56:32] <JamesNZ> chromas: No, not for my code, for their own solutions.
[09:56:34] <crutchy> PFJ++
[09:56:34] <Bender> karma - pfj: 1
[09:56:41] <JamesNZ> (WRT running time)
[09:56:52] <crutchy> JPF--
[09:56:52] <Bender> karma - jpf: -1
[09:57:21] <crutchy> judiths_bush++++++++++
[09:57:24] <crutchy> :p
[09:57:30] * chromas has no idea what the code does and hopes it's not taking over his box
[09:57:33] <chromas> box++
[09:57:33] <Bender> karma - box: 7
[09:57:47] <crutchy> openbox++ for the name
[09:57:47] <Bender> karma - openbox: 2
[09:58:05] <JamesNZ> chromas: Feel free to cancel it :)
[09:58:26] <chromas> I was thinking of doing that to run it with time so I know how long
[09:58:36] <chromas> since it's only one core I guess I could run it twice at once
[09:58:39] <JamesNZ> It's supposed to generate some statistics about the connectivity of a graph when it's nodes are being removed.
[09:58:39] <crutchy> openbox should have a clam for a logo
[09:59:05] <crutchy> i blow my nodes when its full of sot
[09:59:32] <chromas> nodes++
[09:59:32] <Bender> karma - nodes: 1
[09:59:51] <crutchy> and openbox should be written in perl to go with said clam logo
[10:00:19] <chromas> crutchy: nah, if there's a clam involved then it's a banana cream pie
[10:00:52] <crutchy> as long as its not choc coated
[10:01:11] <JamesNZ> Holy crap winblows 8 sucks.
[10:01:22] <geotti> winblows--
[10:01:22] <Bender> karma - winblows: -1
[10:01:25] <chromas> That's why 8.1
[10:01:28] <JamesNZ> winblows--
[10:01:28] <Bender> karma - winblows: -2
[10:01:36] <JamesNZ> chromas: This one is on 8.1.
[10:01:39] <crutchy> but but... powershell
[10:01:43] <crutchy> and stuff
[10:01:50] <crutchy> and that damn fish
[10:01:56] <JamesNZ> I DESPISE POWERSHELLS GUTS.
[10:01:59] <geotti> dotNet--
[10:01:59] <Bender> karma - dotnet: -1
[10:02:04] <JamesNZ> powershell--
[10:02:04] <Bender> karma - powershell: -1
[10:02:05] <JamesNZ> powershell--
[10:02:05] <Bender> karma - powershell: -2
[10:02:05] <JamesNZ> powershell--
[10:02:05] <Bender> karma - powershell: -3
[10:02:05] <JamesNZ> powershell--
[10:02:06] <Bender> karma - powershell: -4
[10:02:06] <geotti> systemd--
[10:02:06] <Bender> karma - systemd: -4
[10:02:20] <geotti> cygwin++
[10:02:20] <Bender> karma - cygwin: 1
[10:02:23] <crutchy> and yay for having to go though some bullshit charms bar settings thing just to shutdown :/
[10:02:33] <geotti> wtf is a charm bar
[10:02:36] <chromas> can you win+r and type shutdown?
[10:02:49] <crutchy> i dunno i still use win 7 thank crapness
[10:03:09] <chromas> classic shell, my son
[10:03:09] <crutchy> some poor unfortunate souls at work have to use it though
[10:03:22] <JamesNZ> I have my shutdown menu bound to Super+X :)
[10:03:34] <chromas> http://classicshell.net
[10:03:34] <monopoly> ^ 03Classic Shell - Start menu and other Windows enhancements
[10:03:35] <crutchy> ctrl+alt+del+shift+myspace+mysql+con/con
[10:04:04] <crutchy> ohh forgot a keystroke sequence
[10:04:10] <JamesNZ> Gah, why is my code so crappy.
[10:04:11] <crutchy> ctrl+alt+del+shift+myspace+mysql+con/con+wtfbbq
[10:04:59] <crutchy> does it analyze toilet humor?
[10:05:25] <crutchy> ciri: crappy
[10:05:29] <JamesNZ> :P
[10:05:31] <crutchy> aww
[10:05:35] <geotti> can you do:
[10:05:36] <geotti> net rpc SHUTDOWN -f -S COMPUTERNAME -U COMPUTERNAME/USERNAME%PASSWORD -t 45 -C "What'cha doin' later, sexy?"
[10:05:57] * geotti had a lot of fun in college
[10:06:13] <crutchy> i can do 'housectl pull fuse'
[10:06:16] <chromas> JamesNZ: been going for about fifteen minutes
[10:06:26] <geotti> lol
[10:06:35] <JamesNZ> chromas: D:
[10:06:38] <chromas> nutctl bust
[10:06:45] <geotti> systemd--
[10:06:45] <Bender> karma - systemd: -5
[10:06:54] <JamesNZ> chromas: May as well cancel the bugger, no use taking up those cycles.
[10:07:10] <crutchy> boinc++
[10:07:10] <Bender> karma - boinc: 1
[10:07:10] <chromas> save them for winter?
[10:07:19] <geotti> cycles are better spent mining lentilcoin
[10:07:32] <JamesNZ> It's just a case of bad growth I'm sure, it performs well enough on smaller inputs.
[10:07:33] * chromas just discovered cycles can do fisheye lens
[10:07:41] <crutchy> is that how the lentils exit?
[10:07:45] <crutchy> as coins
[10:07:59] <JamesNZ> chromas: And recently, anamorphic as well :) (for Gooseberry)
[10:08:08] <chromas> crutchy: lentils are nature's skittles and jesus' m&ms
[10:08:21] <crutchy> mmm skittles++
[10:08:46] * chromas also just noticed he's still running 2.70
[10:08:50] <chromas> ancient
[10:09:04] <JamesNZ> 2.72 is coming out soon.
[10:09:08] <geotti> laters
[10:09:12] <JamesNZ> \o
[10:09:26] -!- geotti has quit [Quit: bye..]
[10:09:35] <Konomi> are youtube comments not loading for anyone else here?
[10:10:00] <chromas> loaded for me
[10:11:03] <Konomi> wonder what is up
[10:11:11] <crutchy> youtube comments are funny when they talk. http://www.youtube.com
[10:11:11] <monopoly> ^ 03The Avalanches - Frontier Psychiatrist (Good Quality) - YouTube
[10:11:49] <chromas> ooh, 2.72 has a cheater for crepuscular rays in the compositor
[10:21:18] <lentilSoup> [youtube comments]--
[10:21:18] <Bender> karma - [youtube comments]: -1
[10:21:52] -!- lentilSoup has quit [Quit: Web client closed]
[10:22:04] <chromas> it doesn't help that g+ comments are stuffed in there as well
[10:41:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Undescribed Species of Porcini in a Commercial Packet - http://sylnt.us - secret-ingredients
[10:43:00] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[10:43:00] <monopoly> ^ 03SPONGEBOB GOES TO STRIPCLUB!!! - YouTube
[10:43:05] <crutchy> spongebewb++
[10:43:05] <Bender> karma - spongebewb: 1
[10:43:45] <chromas> pc++
[10:43:45] <Bender> karma - pc: 1
[10:46:19] <chromas> he kind of Frodos halfway through
[10:59:16] <Konomi> apparently clearning googles cookies fixed it
[10:59:48] <crutchy> yummy
[11:03:26] * crutchy is feeling trollish, but resists urge to open SN comments :/
[11:03:43] * crutchy opens gedit instead
[11:09:42] <chromas> Trolling your own comments?
[11:10:17] <chromas> "This function is teh s uck!"
[11:14:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:14:48] <Bender> karma - coffee: 804
[11:17:10] <crutchy> just looked at my payslip from work for the first time in more than a year
[11:17:20] <crutchy> tax--
[11:17:21] <Bender> karma - tax: -1
[11:19:00] <JamesNZ> chromas: Hmm, the code is taking about 6 seconds to do an operation that'll be repeated thousands of times O_o
[11:19:49] <chromas> Ah oh
[11:20:00] <chromas> Maybe I should cancel it then
[11:20:05] <crutchy> is it including a file in that loop?
[11:20:26] <crutchy> things like file i/o take lots of time
[11:20:26] <JamesNZ> chromas: Yes :P
[11:20:58] <JamesNZ> crutchy: No, there's only one file and it takes under a second to import (on my machine).
[11:21:27] <crutchy> is there lots of division?
[11:21:28] <JamesNZ> Looks like it's just inefficient code working on large dictionaries.
[11:21:34] <JamesNZ> Nope.
[11:21:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> bubble_sort--
[11:21:51] <Bender> karma - bubble_sort: -1
[11:21:54] <chromas> when I cuntroll-C it gives me a traceback
[11:22:19] <crutchy> chromas, s/t/t-/
[11:22:19] <SedBot9000> <crutchy> <chromas> when I cunt-roll-C it gives me a traceback
[11:22:28] <JamesNZ> Yeah, it's probably ending in bfs_visited() somewhere.
[11:22:49] <chromas> that's where it was
[11:23:05] <chromas> node_queue.enqueue(neighbour)
[11:23:25] <crutchy> ~define-add cuntroll, rickroll except with a miley cirus song
[11:23:25] <exec> definition for term "cuntroll" set to "rickroll except with a miley cirus song"
[11:23:41] <JamesNZ> Yeah. I dunno if that's where the problem is specifically. It might just be getting called way too many times.
[11:23:57] <crutchy> oh there's your problem
[11:24:04] <crutchy> is your code all full of goop?
[11:24:15] <JamesNZ> Goop?
[11:24:18] * chromas wishes karma could buy things. Maybe tokens that can eventually buy an achievement or upgrade my sword
[11:24:22] <crutchy> object shit
[11:24:52] <crutchy> only pascal has sufficient awesomeness to make oop cool
[11:24:54] <JamesNZ> Only for 2 objects IIRC, the rest is imperative.
[11:24:56] <chromas> materia++
[11:24:56] <Bender> karma - materia: 1
[11:25:52] <crutchy> upgrading_swords++
[11:25:52] <Bender> karma - upgrading_swords: 1
[11:25:59] <crutchy> crossing_swords++
[11:25:59] <Bender> karma - crossing_swords: 1
[11:26:48] <chromas> "Later I'll teach you how to cross swords!"
[11:26:54] <chromas> google_sites--
[11:26:54] <Bender> karma - google_sites: -1
[11:31:24] * JamesNZ fires up cProfiler
[11:38:19] <JamesNZ> Hmm, calls to len() are taking up a hefty amount of time.
[11:40:04] <crutchy> maybe its infected with w32/len
[11:40:24] <JamesNZ> w32/len?
[11:41:15] <crutchy> its a derivative of the w32/bad.joke virus :p
[11:41:31] <JamesNZ> Ah :P
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[12:01:36] <chromas> can you cache the result?
[12:02:46] <JamesNZ> Nah, I'm getting the length of the queue, which is constantly changing.
[12:04:43] <chromas> fartctl activate powers
[12:04:50] * chromas gives the dog a dish of chicken stock
[12:11:38] <crutchy> how the fuck has kpop not been smothered all over western television stations?
[12:17:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> what you monkeying with, JamesNZ?
[12:19:45] <chromas> ~define kpop
[12:19:46] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3kpop: An enjoyable music genre from South Korea that some people seem to love to ruin for others.1. People claim it is the best music ever and much better than American music, when they know damn well kpop...
[12:19:59] <JamesNZ> TheMightyBuzzard: It's an assignment for a course, we're supposed to be researching the 'resilience' of a network/graph by removing nodes successively and finding their largest connected components.
[12:20:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh fun
[12:20:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Court Says Child Porn Arrest Violated Posse Comitatus Act - http://sylnt.us - gotta-play-by-the-rules-and-thems-the-rules
[12:20:39] <JamesNZ> Yeah :)
[12:21:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> gonna be all about data structures i'd think
[12:22:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> you have each node as an object or similarly you-manipulatible data structure?
[12:22:39] <JamesNZ> Not really, we're just using the normal adjacency lists made of python dictionaries that hold the edges of the nodes in sets.
[12:23:00] <JamesNZ> All in a dictionary, yeah.
[12:23:29] <crutchy> pascal_tlist++
[12:23:29] <Bender> karma - pascal_tlist: 1
[12:23:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> you have to make the edge connections then when creating the dictionary, yes?
[12:23:57] <JamesNZ> Yep.
[12:24:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> add a counter to each node and increment it during creation
[12:24:34] <JamesNZ> What for?
[12:25:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> so you can much more quickly find which node has the most connected components
[12:25:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> or was that not the problem?
[12:26:37] <JamesNZ> That is indeed the problem :P
[12:27:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> there you go then. no need to process every node and count when you can just read the count that was created as the dict was generated.
[12:27:12] <JamesNZ> Hmm, I guess I would have to maintain this separate from the graph.
[12:27:48] <JamesNZ> Yeah, I think I'll try that. Thanks for the suggestion :)
[12:27:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> could yeah. simple list or linked list
[12:27:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy
[12:28:57] <crutchy> chromas, search for 'A Pink' on youtube
[12:29:19] <chromas> Will I find a sock?
[12:29:24] <crutchy> lol
[12:29:24] <ciri> hehehe
[12:29:45] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard++ for having the answer to everything
[12:29:45] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 72
[12:30:06] <JamesNZ> TheMightyBuzzard++
[12:30:06] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 73
[12:30:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, may not solve the problem. still left with sorting the new list. quicksort or something similar should do well enough.
[12:31:35] <JamesNZ> Well, I can use max() for getting the largest element.
[12:31:36] <chromas> Ooh YouTube gives me an ad about HIV and or course it's two guys
[12:31:40] <chromas> Racists
[12:31:59] <chromas> Or um, gaycists
[12:32:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> buddy of mine had to fly for work yesterday and ended up sitting right behind Woody Harrelson.
[12:33:00] <crutchy> this guy is a really good CS teacher (yeah I know that's an oxymoron)
[12:33:01] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[12:33:02] <monopoly> ^ 03Lecture 1: Introduction to Data Structures and Algorithms - Richard Buckland - YouTube
[12:33:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> the moral of this story is better sitting behind a Woody than on one.
[12:34:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> my cs teacher wore a cowboy hat and roach killer boots. still a good cs teacher though a lousy sysadmin.
[12:35:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~define roach killers
[12:35:48] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3roach killers: n 1: western-style boots characterized by very pointy toes. Named so because this style footwear may only be appropriate, albeit most effective, for killing cornered roaches. Commonly accentuated by m...
[12:36:27] <crutchy> chromas, http://www.youtube.com
[12:36:27] <monopoly> ^ 03[FMV] A PINK -- BUBIBU - YouTube
[12:36:42] <crutchy> fucking youtube
[12:36:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, if that's kpop you're in for such a kicking
[12:37:02] * crutchy has about 20 windows open in two operating systems
[12:37:31] <crutchy> much less grating than anything that's come out of britain or the USA
[12:37:57] * TheMightyBuzzard kicks crutchy with his cs professor inspired roach killers
[12:37:57] <crutchy> syllables join together smoother
[12:38:33] <crutchy> you mean Richard Buckland?
[12:38:41] <crutchy> he's fuckin awesome :p
[12:38:55] <crutchy> should see his lecture on xp
[12:39:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[12:39:03] <monopoly> ^ 03Nofx - 72 Hookers - YouTube
[12:39:39] <crutchy> eek wtf was that?
[12:39:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, nah. local head of CS at east central university in oklahoma
[12:41:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, that was punk. music for those sick of the shit.
[12:41:28] <crutchy> how.. the.. fuck.. did.. this.. guy.. get.. +30 million subscribers!?
[12:41:30] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[12:41:31] <monopoly> ^ 03A Funny Montage - YouTube
[12:42:49] <JamesNZ> 'tis a mystery.
[12:46:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh, i don't feel like going to a head-shrinking appointment today.
[12:46:10] <Lagg> crutchy: Who is it
[12:46:34] <Lagg> Not watching video because I'm not in the mood for stupid so forgive the question
[12:46:37] <crutchy> apparently one of the most popular persons on the interblags
[12:46:43] <Lagg> What is their name
[12:47:11] <Lagg> Seriously, I know it's a dumb question but I think I know who you're talking about and I just can't handle his shit right now
[12:47:15] <crutchy> that video has almost 57 million views. his interwebz name is PewDiePie
[12:47:21] <Lagg> Yep, I fucking knew it
[12:47:45] <Lagg> He has that big of an audience because he turned himself into an emotional shell of a human being, basically.
[12:48:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> so basically like any celebrity then?
[12:48:31] <chromas> "When everyone is getting blowjobs, that's when we'll have world peace."
[12:48:33] <crutchy> his gf is fucking hot
[12:48:38] <Lagg> Manufactured jumpscares (made by playing the game twice over so that he knows when they occur) and such. Basically sapping all enjoyment from a video game
[12:48:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, truth, no?
[12:49:02] <Lagg> TheMightyBuzzard: No, because celebrities generally work for their status. Or at least the really good guys like Christopher Lee and the other greats.
[12:49:15] <Lagg> Comparing this guy to that type is silly
[12:49:40] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: then it's time I start a war
[12:49:43] <crutchy> lagg, you seem to know this guy disturbingly well. i am disturbed to the point where i might have to listen to a disturbed song
[12:49:50] <crutchy> by the spice girls :/
[12:49:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> Lagg, i take it you haven't had reality tv inflicted on you recently
[12:50:24] <Lagg> TheMightyBuzzard: No (insert snobby I don't have TV remark here), but those aren't celebrities. They're manufactured tools that will be discarded in a few years and they know it.
[12:50:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> same difference as far as the proletariat is concerned.
[12:51:10] <chromas> No true celebritysman
[12:51:38] <Lagg> I just gave a true celebrity so that is hardly appropriate
[12:52:09] <Lagg> Chris Lee, Patrick Steward, Ian McKellan, etc. those are who I think of when I hear "celebrity"
[12:52:21] * chromas looks up Christopher Lee
[12:52:33] <Lagg> crutchy: I know him more than I care to admit. I never liked his stuff but I used to just assume he was a decent guy behind the persona. Until he royally fucked a beautiful story in a video game by making stupid faces and the other crap he does and just generally acting like a jackass. It was then I realized that is just who he is.
[12:52:39] <Lagg> chromas: Are you serious
[12:52:51] * Lagg puts on monocle and mustache wax
[12:52:55] * Lagg tilts nose up
[12:52:58] <Lagg> Uncultured swine
[12:53:00] <crutchy> some of the pewdiepie shit is pretty funny... the sort of funny that would be pretty hard to fake
[12:53:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> hollywood is not culture
[12:53:25] <Lagg> Those 3 are hardly hollywood
[12:53:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's sewage masquerading as entertainment
[12:53:37] <Lagg> *Patrick Stewart
[12:53:56] <chromas> Oh I recognize him; didn't know his name
[12:53:57] <Lagg> All 3 of these guys are or were theatre actors. These are the people that deserve their status.
[12:54:09] <Lagg> Don't conflate hollywood with this type of person
[12:54:52] <Lagg> and again this is not a scotsman fallacy. If I wasn't such an ass dragging forgetful bastard I'd continue naming them.
[12:54:52] <chromas> So they're only celebrities if they're known for doing many things instead of a few?
[12:55:05] <crutchy> hollywood is stupid
[12:55:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> theater is highly overrated. it's an anachronistic version of going to the movies. only plus is they don't get to do multiple takes.
[12:55:29] <Lagg> How are you guys not getting the point, and I hate theatre myself but again not the point
[12:55:31] <ciri> not sure
[12:55:36] <Lagg> Are you not seeing the inherent differences here
[12:55:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> no
[12:55:54] <Lagg> You don't see the difference between that trio and the jersey shore cast
[12:55:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't see the difference between hollywood and theater.
[12:56:16] <Lagg> I get the philosophical mindwiping that needs to occur for this kind of discourse but you're going too far here.
[12:56:30] <chromas> They're all known by millions of people. Sounds like celebrity to me
[12:56:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> well the one difference i see besides single take is theater people are all up their own ass with how special they think it makes them.
[12:57:19] <Lagg> Maybe I should have explained better. I'm not saying they're not celebrities in general but I think of celebrities as a superset
[12:57:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're saying they got skills n chops n such. i get it.
[12:57:59] <Lagg> The subset of it is aforementioned manufactured tools and then people like that trio who got to where they are through work and consensus that they're pretty good at what they do and do it well. When I hear "celebrity" I think of the latter
[12:58:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> i just don't care.
[12:58:21] <chromas> True, some are more worth their celebrity than others
[12:58:24] <Lagg> Whereas some people think of the superset. I understand that but come on now. It's just silly to put them in the same set
[12:58:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> actors just are not worthy of celebration IMO. only possible exception being john wayne.
[12:59:19] <Lagg> No, but you'll notice that the good ones are generally not in the press as much as whoever is being the biggest whore or whatever.
[12:59:29] <Lagg> They're not celebrated so much as gossiped about
[13:00:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> people who do something worthwhile are worth celebrating. entertaining me for a couple hours is not worthwhile. porn can do that.
[13:00:29] <Lagg> Anyway, I've tried to give types like pewdiepie benefit of the doubt and just say to myself "They're probably good guys. Don't assume asshattery" but it always ends up backfiring.
[13:00:43] <crutchy> asshatery++
[13:00:43] <Bender> karma - asshatery: 1
[13:01:04] <crutchy> it seems like pewdiepie is famous for being a twat. nothin wrong with that
[13:01:20] <crutchy> lotsa people apparently like that
[13:01:20] <Lagg> Plus people like him have single handedly made it to where anyone who makes video game videos or things even vaguely related to it are automatically expected to be humorous. I know a VA guy who is just outstanding but people keep telling him to make videos of stupid shit for the sake of it.
[13:01:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh see i always assume asshattery. i hate everyone equally until they give me reason to [dis]like them in an extra special way.
[13:01:53] <Lagg> That's honestly not a bad strategy.
[13:02:04] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, can be summarized nicely thus: people are cunts
[13:02:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> brevity++
[13:02:14] <Bender> karma - brevity: 1
[13:02:18] <Lagg> I always try to assume the best of people despite seeming like I'm cynical, but it backfires constantly. I should stop.
[13:02:27] <JamesNZ> s/people/some people/
[13:02:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, plus it prevents race/sex/foo-ism
[13:03:01] <Lagg> fooism should be banned
[13:03:07] <Lagg> barist forever
[13:03:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> baz ftw
[13:03:46] <Lagg> I wonder if there is a group of people who argue about metasyntactic variables like people argue about editors
[13:04:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably. people will argue about anything given enough boredom.
[13:04:37] <Lagg> Like deadbeef being the superior address initializer because cafebabe implies coffee and sex, while deadbeef only implies cow murder, thus deadbeef because it's the fairest
[13:05:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++ cafebabe wins
[13:05:18] <Bender> karma - coffee: 805
[13:05:37] <Lagg> Agreed, that's what I use in my code too.
[13:06:19] <Lagg> When I'm trying to show people the significance of things like byte order and why magic initializers help with debugging it's for some reason easier to recognize in its various permutations than deadbeef
[13:06:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> lot to be said for dead beef but coffee is more important to livfe.
[13:07:16] <chromas> Plus dead beef is redundant
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[13:07:57] <Lagg> Cows are arguably live beef.
[13:08:05] <Lagg> Uncooked unflavored live beef
[13:08:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> well beef flavored beef
[13:08:33] <Lagg> I like my steaks and burgers well seasoned
[13:08:53] <chromas> Mmm, ground plants
[13:09:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> something to be said for that but also a lot to be said for just cow flavored burgers.
[13:09:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> depends on the mood
[13:09:32] <chromas> Harr
[13:09:33] <crutchy> beef is usually steers, no?
[13:09:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty much
[13:10:04] <crutchy> lagg is being beefist :p
[13:10:14] <chromas> So what do they do with all the bulls and roosters?
[13:10:30] <crutchy> animal pr0nz
[13:10:42] <Lagg> Nope, being objective. cafebabe is still superior
[13:10:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> roosters you eat. bulls you leave the fuck alone until it's time to get your cows knocked up.
[13:11:14] <paulej72> chromas: dog and cat food
[13:11:19] <Lagg> Also we kind of created a self-fulfilling prophecy. We're now arguing about variable initializers or at least discussing it in depth
[13:11:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, pj
[13:11:29] <crutchy> unless you're in spain, where you stir them up so that they mutilate you
[13:11:32] <Lagg> Also I just realized I said metasyntactic variables instead of initializers
[13:11:34] <Lagg> Hurumph.
[13:11:37] <paulej72> I’ve been hiding
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[13:11:57] <crutchy> wtf is 'metasyntactic'? sounds kinda hippy
[13:12:13] <chromas> ~define
[13:12:14] <exec> alias "~define" requires additional trailing argument
[13:12:20] <crutchy> does it come from the same bag as polymorphism?
[13:12:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> well take over for me. i gotta go get my sanity level checked n get a top-off of brain juice.
[13:12:43] <Lagg> crutchy: You write code. You should know this stuff.
[13:12:43] <lentilSoup> mmm... brains.
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[13:13:05] * crutchy has never typed metasyntactic till tonight :p
[13:13:18] <Lagg> It's a fancy way of saying placeholder variable
[13:13:21] * chromas should manufacture some dog food then
[13:13:25] <Lagg> foo, bar, baz, foobar, whatever
[13:13:33] <crutchy> i just type the shit, i don't study it :)
[13:13:50] <Lagg> i.e. they're what you type when you don't feel like thinking of relevant var names
[13:14:07] <Lagg> You're silly then, learning it can get you far
[13:14:16] <crutchy> lagg, i have 26 placeholder var names to choose from :D
[13:14:24] <Lagg> crutchy: I sent you my book series right?
[13:14:25] <lentilSoup> like deadWomanUnderMyFloorboard == 2
[13:14:27] <lentilSoup> ?
[13:14:46] <Lagg> Is the program you're writing related to dead women under your floor
[13:14:55] <chromas> lentilSoup: is that really a placeholder?
[13:14:58] <crutchy> i usually start with i,j,k for ints, c,n for counting vars, s for strings, etc
[13:14:58] <lentilSoup> Possibly.
[13:15:14] <Lagg> Then it's not metasyntactic. They're what you write reflexively
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[13:15:51] <lentilSoup> That *is* me being reflexive!
[13:16:01] * crutchy has never named vars anything that resembled foo or bar
[13:16:44] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[13:16:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 806
[13:16:49] <Blackmoore> mornin
[13:17:01] <Blackmoore> I name my varibles out of spite.
[13:17:07] * chromas never heard of hello world until the last fifteen years or so
[13:17:22] <lentilSoup> deadWomanUnderMyFloorboard++
[13:17:22] <Bender> karma - deadwomanundermyfloorboard: 1
[13:17:51] <Lagg> I don't like your naming convention lentilSoup
[13:17:57] <Lagg> It infuriates me. Can't you tell
[13:18:32] <crutchy> yeah. should be all lowercase with underscore separators :p
[13:18:34] <Blackmoore> i still find camelback convention ugly.
[13:18:47] <crutchy> dead_woman_under_my_floorboard++
[13:18:47] <Bender> karma - dead_woman_under_my_floorboard: 1
[13:18:49] <lentilSoup> Emotion is very hard to convey online without ascii faces.
[13:19:14] <crutchy> i like this one :d
[13:19:28] <crutchy> ^ concentrating tongue
[13:19:29] <lentilSoup> 8--->
[13:19:44] <chromas> Hat in the mouth, crutchy?
[13:19:57] <crutchy> or playing a flute
[13:19:59] <lentilSoup> Only a sick mind would understand that to be obscene.
[13:20:18] * chromas is slow on the pocket computer
[13:20:23] <crutchy> same as (o Y o)
[13:20:44] <lentilSoup> 8008135
[13:20:51] <crutchy> 8008135++
[13:20:52] <Bender> karma - 8008135: 17
[13:20:55] <chromas> lentilSoup: do you know any nurses?
[13:21:18] <crutchy> fat_porn_pigeons++
[13:21:18] <Bender> karma - fat_porn_pigeons: 2
[13:21:48] <lentilSoup> Not within a 100 foot radius :(
[13:22:08] <chromas> Nothing's dirty or dark around nurses
[13:22:20] <lentilSoup> None whatsoever.
[13:22:27] <crutchy> starcraft_broodwar_medics++
[13:22:27] <Bender> karma - starcraft_broodwar_medics: 1
[13:22:34] <crutchy> 'wet and ready'
[13:23:01] <lentilSoup> 'colonoscopy'
[13:23:11] <chromas> It's too bad most nurses aren't like starcraft nurses
[13:23:17] <Lagg> Also humback/camelback/whatever looks like two teams that liked camelcase and lowercase came to an impasse and decided on merging the two and resulting in demonic
[13:23:23] <crutchy> some are :D
[13:23:24] <Lagg> Yes I called you demonic lentilSoup
[13:23:36] <chromas> Well, they'll make the same comments but most don't look the part
[13:23:44] <crutchy> Lagg, s/camelcase/cameltoe/
[13:23:47] <lentilSoup> I AM RUBBER AND YOU ARE GLUE, lagg
[13:23:57] <Lagg> I'm Lagg, glue is over there ->
[13:24:28] <Lagg> crutchy: Cameltoe is what happens when a camelcase user accidently upper cases one character too many and it gets committed to the repo
[13:24:35] <chromas> Did somebody say glue?
[13:24:40] <crutchy> mike rotch!? aw c'mon has anyone seen mike rotch?
[13:24:41] <lentilSoup> I'm with stupid s/stupid/lagg
[13:24:48] * chromas grabs a straw
[13:25:02] <Lagg> I PICKED A BAD DAY TO STOP SNIFFIN' GLUE
[13:25:07] <lentilSoup> I C Weiner.
[13:25:12] <crutchy> you stopped!?
[13:25:25] <Lagg> I'll give a gold star to whoever got that reference
[13:25:25] * crutchy offers some of his blue crayons to Lagg
[13:25:26] <chromas> Icee++
[13:25:26] <Bender> karma - icee: 1
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[13:25:37] <crutchy> scary movie?
[13:25:41] <Lagg> Nope
[13:25:44] <lentilsoup[away]> Lagg: Do you like movies about gladiators?
[13:25:52] <crutchy> aliens?
[13:26:02] <lentilsoup[away]> Ever been to a Turkish prison?
[13:26:04] <Lagg> Why would someone be sniffing glue in Aliens
[13:26:09] <crutchy> 'how do i get out of this chickenshit outfit?'
[13:26:22] <crutchy> they all seem like they're sniffing glue in aliens :p
[13:26:31] <lentilsoup[away]> 'They mostly sniff glue at night, mostly'
[13:26:35] <crutchy> lol
[13:26:45] <Lagg> Sigh, you guys are hopeless. https://www.youtube.com
[13:26:46] <monopoly> ^ 03Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking... - YouTube
[13:27:17] <chromas> 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
[13:27:37] <chromas> Gold stars all around
[13:27:47] <Blackmoore> I just want you to know - we're all counting on you.
[13:27:57] <crutchy> lol when i started that video i thought it might have been hot shots
[13:27:57] <ciri> HEHEHEHE
[13:28:11] <crutchy> same guy i think
[13:28:12] <lentilsoup[away]> Lagg: http://www.youtube.com
[13:28:14] <monopoly> ^ 03Have You Ever Seen a Grown Man Naked? - Airplane! (3/10) Movie CLIP (1980) HD - YouTube
[13:30:17] <chromas> crutchy: it is
[13:30:46] <Lagg> lentilsoup[away]: I didn't even remember that line, retroactive gold star for you
[13:31:19] <lentilsoup[away]> That scene got that kid an Academy Award nomination, you know.
[13:32:29] <Lagg> Nope, but he must have been terrified for real
[13:36:22] <crutchy> chromas, all i got was a lousy bunch of bricks
[13:36:26] <crutchy> minecraft--
[13:36:26] <Bender> karma - minecraft: -1
[13:36:59] <chromas> Legos++
[13:36:59] <Bender> karma - legos: 1
[13:37:29] <lentilsoup[away]> 'Best Actress in a Supporting Role'. Look it up.
[13:37:30] <Blackmoore> i got a rock.
[13:38:03] <chromas> I got Iraq
[13:38:09] <lentilsoup[away]> I got shoe.
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[13:38:55] <Lagg> lentilsoup[away]: Best /Actress/?
[13:39:28] <Lagg> Are you yanking my chain lentilsoup[away]
[13:39:41] <Lagg> I don't mind if you are but it's nice to ask permission before yanking my chain
[13:40:00] <lentilsoup[away]> I can, but it'll cost you $50.
[13:40:25] <Lagg> What a ripoff, usually I'm the one getting paid
[13:40:39] <lentilsoup[away]> IN YOUR DREAMS
[13:41:21] <Lagg> SIR YOU SHOULD BE HONORED TO YANK MY CHAIN
[13:41:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SuSE Linux has a New Owner - http://sylnt.us - payware
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[13:46:32] <lentilsoup[away]> 'Would you install KDE? Would you install SystemD?'
[13:46:34] <lentilsoup[away]> Seuss Linux.
[13:49:11] <TK> Notepad++++
[13:49:21] <TK> Notepad++ ++
[13:49:22] <Bender> karma - notepad: 2
[13:49:31] <TK> Notepad--
[13:49:31] <Bender> karma - notepad: 1
[13:49:33] <TK> Notepad--
[13:49:33] <Bender> karma - notepad: 0
[13:51:28] <Blackmoore> I would not install a KDE, I would Not install a SystemD; I would not install it on a Mac; I will not install it Hopped up on crack
[13:52:16] <Blackmoore> not in a house, not with a mouse, not on a cliff, or an occulus riff
[13:52:36] <TK> You sound adamant, but I'm pretty sure I know how this story ends
[13:53:19] <lentilsoup[away]> I won't install that commie mess, I won't install it RMS
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[14:06:29] <Blackmoore> but PI! you'd have to try! install it on this Raspbery PI - It works so well, you'll wonder why!
[14:11:40] <crutchy> at least they didn't call it american pi
[14:12:09] <crutchy> 'better than sex'
[14:12:21] <lentilsoup[away]> The thing that bugged me, I can understand why he wouldn't have wanted to eat the ham, maybe the guy was Jewish or Muslim. But green eggs? Leave that poor boy alone! That's rancid, it is.
[14:13:36] <crutchy> oh shit i fucked up the story
[14:13:49] <lentilsoup[away]> 'Like a Warm Raspberry Pie!' would sell units by the boatload.
[14:25:40] <Blackmoore> .. attached to a fleshlight
[14:27:54] <Popeidol> TDP is too low, you could get hypothermia
[14:28:09] <Popeidol> you'd need to attach it to an atom at least
[14:29:20] <Popeidol> the Prescott Edition flashlight was taken off the market after some third degree burns
[14:35:08] <crutchy> in straya we also have the sheeplight
[14:35:23] <crutchy> a sheep with a torch ductaped to its head
[14:36:18] <Popeidol> https://www.youtube.com
[14:36:19] <monopoly> ^ 03Extreme Sheep Herding - YouTube
[14:40:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - More Yahoo vs NSA: Gov't Tried to Deny Standing, Ex Parte Filing of Supporting Docs - http://sylnt.us - stacked-deck
[15:03:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> well doc says i have a human brain that more or less works. keep on keeping on.
[15:07:00] <crutchy> best get a second opinion :p
[15:07:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> i did. she likes my beard too.
[15:07:43] <crutchy> did you mention perl?
[15:08:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> slash's insanity isn't in question.
[15:08:54] <mrcoolbp> nope
[15:08:56] <crutchy> has anyone spoken to subsentient?
[15:09:03] <mrcoolbp> not that I'm aware
[15:09:10] <mrcoolbp> $seen SubSentient
[15:09:10] <aqu4> I last saw Subsentient at 2014-09-10 12:28:42 UTC in #soylent. Their most recent message is "Hi guys, off to the funny farm. I'm a suicide risk from the OCD. Once I have a life worth living, I'll resume preparations for editor."
[15:09:17] <mrcoolbp> = (
[15:09:34] <crutchy> was a rather blunt departure iirc
[15:09:46] <mrcoolbp> crutchy ^^^^
[15:11:35] <crutchy> he seemed chirpy enough just before that. he would have fit in quite nicely in the havoc and chaos of #
[15:12:06] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: did we get that email account setup yet?
[15:12:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp, mechanicjay hasn't gotten back to me on it yet anyway.
[15:12:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, half the fun of having mental issues is hiding them from people
[15:13:04] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: we could pester audioguy and tell mechanicjay to disregard
[15:13:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> we could if he were around, true
[15:13:35] <mrcoolbp> he monitors email religiously
[15:13:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, well then
[15:13:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll drop him one real quick
[15:13:58] <mrcoolbp> kewlz
[15:14:28] <crutchy> whats new mrcoolbp?
[15:14:42] <mrcoolbp> natta to mucha
[15:15:13] <mrcoolbp> day-off, just trying to decompress a bit, still got some SN work and some work-from-home stuff to do though
[15:16:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> wanna set up treasurer@ while we're at it?
[15:16:37] <crutchy> or accounts@?
[15:16:56] <crutchy> or moneyshit@
[15:17:25] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: sure
[15:17:28] <crutchy> ~time
[15:17:30] <exec> Thursday, 18 September 2014 @ 1:17 am GMT+10 - Traralgon VIC, Australia
[15:17:41] <crutchy> time for me to sign off
[15:17:42] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: then paypal should go there though
[15:17:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[15:17:51] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: g'night
[15:20:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> sent
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[15:36:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.hardocp.com
[15:51:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Run Doom on your Printer - http://sylnt.us - looking-suspiciously-at-my-printer
[15:52:46] <_NSAKEY> Has anyone else been noticing grudge modding on their posts?
[15:53:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> once in a while, yeah.
[15:53:07] <_NSAKEY> Here's an example of what I mean: http://soylentnews.org I'd say that reply was pretty on topic, so that is just funny.
[15:53:07] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by _NSAKEY (16)
[15:53:25] <_NSAKEY> Then this AC gets modded as informative: http://soylentnews.org
[15:53:25] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by _NSAKEY (16)
[15:53:47] <_NSAKEY> Oops, wrong link. Here's the AC: http://soylentnews.org
[15:53:47] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by Anonymous Coward
[15:53:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i knew what you meant
[15:54:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> some folks are asshats and we just don't have a way of correcting it yet aside from manual db tweakage.
[15:54:51] <_NSAKEY> I've been noticing nitpicking replies like that to most of my initial replies, ever since I exploded over gewg's low grade article submissions.
[15:55:08] <_NSAKEY> I'm not really mad over it or anything.
[15:55:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> welcome to the club. i get ten downmods every time some chucklehead gets points.
[15:55:52] <_NSAKEY> It's just funny that apparently, someone out there actually likes reading his poorer submissions, and took it personally enough to start following me around on SN.
[16:08:47] <Blackmoore> some people are just assholes.
[16:09:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> !grab Blackmoore
[16:09:09] <Bender> Added quote 244
[16:09:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause: truth
[16:09:26] <_NSAKEY> It just means I get to submit more stories to boost my karma.
[16:09:41] <_NSAKEY> That probably pisses off whoever is trying to gun for me than anything else.
[16:09:44] <Blackmoore> well we all know what the top 1% of assholes are called.. Congress
[16:09:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> or mention it in here. someone usually has mod points.
[16:10:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> Blackmoore, damned skippy
[16:10:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> nap time. if anyone has mod points to burn, please toss some _NSAKEY's way.
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[16:12:00] <mrcoolbp> _NSAKEY: I'll take a closer look behind the curtain see if I see anything fishy
[16:12:25] <mrcoolbp> though I'll note, sometimes moderations just become "-1 I disagree or I'm having a bad day"
[16:14:56] <_NSAKEY> mrcoolbp: It's long been joked that there should be a -1 disagree mod or something similar.
[16:15:11] <mrcoolbp> Yessir
[16:15:28] <Blackmoore> -1 personal prejudice
[16:15:32] <_NSAKEY> That should probably happen at some point, if only to give anyone with mod points no excuse to be dishonest about their moderations.
[16:15:49] <Blackmoore> -1 I'm an asshole
[16:16:05] <Azrael> _NSAKEY: I try to be very careful (now) putting through submissions by gewg ... no... wait, that makes it seem like I put anyone else's submissions through without any care at all!
[16:16:11] <Blackmoore> -1 Karma destruction
[16:16:38] <_NSAKEY> -1 U R A DOO DOO HED
[16:16:39] <Blackmoore> well, someone keeps aproving my submissions :P
[16:17:21] <_NSAKEY> Azrael: It actually seems like gewg's submission quality has gone up since then.
[16:17:43] <_NSAKEY> When the queue is low and we're able to view it, I now regularly check it and have noticed less outright trash coming from him.
[16:18:16] <_NSAKEY> when I say "we're" I mean normal users (Just in case the AC who nitpicks is idling here and wants to step up).
[16:20:22] <mrcoolbp> _NSAKEY: wanna link me to other downods? I mean there's only one on that comment, and though I disagree with the moderation itself, we don't usually investigate individual dowmods
[16:20:38] <_NSAKEY> mrcoolbp: That's the first time I've actually been downmodded.
[16:20:51] <mrcoolbp> I wouldn't worry about it then = )
[16:20:53] <mrcoolbp> it happens
[16:21:39] <mrcoolbp> Last time someone was complaining, by the time I began looking into it, others had already corrected the situation with a few up-mods = )
[16:21:43] <_NSAKEY> Until today it's just been a case of ACs disagreeing (As in the recent reddit post) or questioning how I worded something.
[16:22:03] <mrcoolbp> yeah, people are annoying, ACs just tend to be moreso
[16:22:24] <_NSAKEY> I actually browse at -1 at all times.
[16:22:29] <_NSAKEY> Just for those times when I get mod points.
[16:22:36] <mrcoolbp> me too
[16:22:50] <_NSAKEY> It really doesn't seem to be as bad as some would make it out to be.
[16:22:56] <_NSAKEY> Honestly, some of the best replies are by ACs.
[16:23:19] <_NSAKEY> But they're also responsible for almost all of the worthless posts.
[16:23:33] <mrcoolbp> oh absolutely, but there's a tendency to be a diH^H^ moron when you aren't held accountable
[16:24:31] <_NSAKEY> Even with that being the case, SN's morons are typically better than /.'s.
[16:24:44] <mrcoolbp> yes, generally
[16:25:22] <mrcoolbp> there's still the odd "Your a @#$# and @#$%@# $##@~@!#!" posts
[16:31:03] <_NSAKEY> The thing to remember is that no matter how demoralizing things may get on SN, the comments still have a long journey downward before they reach the level of youtube comments.
[16:31:26] <mrcoolbp> not making me feel a whole lot better = )
[16:32:41] <swiss> ugh, 90 degrees and it's not even 10 am yet
[16:36:36] <ar> wall corners tend to have 90°
[16:36:39] <ar> duh
[16:40:12] <mrcoolbp> mine have 540°
[16:40:43] <mrcoolbp> -noclip
[16:41:46] <Blackmoore> geh
[16:42:12] <Blackmoore> I have to go get my non-eulidian mapping tools.
[16:45:23] * mrcoolbp hands Blackmoore a quantum mechanical protracter
[16:46:21] <Blackmoore> *sigh* ok, now set up the Cartiesian planescape as a refrence, and my 3d glasses.
[16:47:31] <_NSAKEY> This is just great.
[16:47:33] <_NSAKEY> https://twitter.com
[16:47:50] <_NSAKEY> How are we supposed to update apt-get if we can't trust apt-get? Hahahaha.
[16:55:12] <ar> https://raymii.org
[17:02:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Exoskeletons in Industry - http://sylnt.us - handy-for-carrying-brides-across-thresholds
[17:03:43] <ar> also, i have a new laptop
[17:04:16] <ar> a dell e7440. i5-4310U, 16G of ram, 256G ssd, intel 7260 wifi, modem, 1920x1080 antiglare non-touch screen
[17:06:40] <mrcoolbp> 16gb ram? are you editing HD 3d videos or sometin?
[17:17:25] <swiss> 16 gb ram?
[17:17:32] <swiss> what are you, trying to make it run lean?
[17:17:59] <swiss> 7260ac?
[17:18:05] <swiss> cause that's what it should be
[17:18:12] <swiss> also, i5, why would you do that to yourself
[17:25:34] * juggs looks askance at his laptop with it's uber i3
[17:26:54] <mrcoolbp> with the rest of those specs, you figure he'd go for an i7 at least
[17:29:33] <swiss> yeah
[17:29:46] <swiss> i should upgrade to a bigger SSD at some point. I have a 180GB
[17:31:23] * mrcoolbp has SATA = (
[17:38:42] <Blackmoore> Blackmoore grumbles about kids these days and back when i started all i has was a 6502 processor.
[17:38:54] <Blackmoore> and 64k of ram.
[17:59:37] <swiss> go back to bed grandpa
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[18:02:55] <lentilSoup> There's always room for lentils!
[18:03:48] <ar> swiss: because i7 brings no performance gains over i5. it just overheats faster
[18:03:59] <ar> swiss: yes, 7260ac
[18:04:14] <ar> mrcoolbp,swiss: i use zfs on all of my machines
[18:04:50] <swiss> ar: i7 quad plays nicer with a lot of VMs
[18:05:03] <ar> swiss: and does omnomnomnom to battery
[18:05:15] <swiss> nah, my lappy has good battery life
[18:05:19] <swiss> esp when i underclock the proc
[18:05:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ar, sure as shit looks like the i7 beats the i5 all to hell: http://www.cpubenchmark.net
[18:05:24] <monopoly> ^ 03PassMark Intel vs AMD CPU Benchmarks - High End
[18:07:53] <ar> TheMightyBuzzard: not on the mobile chips
[18:07:55] <swiss> audit++
[18:07:55] <Bender> karma - audit: 1
[18:08:31] <swiss> ar: http://www.cpubenchmark.net
[18:08:45] <swiss> my chip beats yours to hell
[18:09:31] <ar> swiss: that's a QM
[18:09:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmmm... chips...
[18:09:47] <swiss> ar: right, i was talking about i7 quads
[18:09:47] <ar> swiss: and besides, i have an 8-core (not threads) cpu in my desktop
[18:10:02] <swiss> and my i7 does fine on battery
[18:10:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll have some ruffles n dip today for lunch
[18:10:09] <swiss> and my laptop is under 5 lbs
[18:10:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine is under the tv stand
[18:11:06] <swiss> ar: complaints about my laptop: not 1080p, cd drive not replaceable with 2nd HDD, speakers are crappy quality
[18:11:11] <swiss> oh, and no latch for the lid
[18:12:02] <swiss> ar: i have it underclocked to 1.5GHz atm
[18:12:30] <swiss> i really want the new devil's canyon chip
[18:13:31] <swiss> lol, i can't take the chase survey cause i work at a bank
[18:13:33] <swiss> FUCK YOU CHASE
[18:14:03] <mechanicjay> swiss: that's the appropriate response to Chase regardless of your employment status with them.
[18:14:12] <swiss> i don't work for chase
[18:14:17] <swiss> oh
[18:14:31] <swiss> i like chase as a bank, especially with their credit cards
[18:14:38] <swiss> i bank only with them atm
[18:15:05] <lentilSoup> TheMightyBuzzard: Interesting tidbit, Slashdot began as CmdrTaco's blog. At the time, it was called Chips & Dips.
[18:15:34] <mrcoolbp> heh
[18:15:41] <swiss> oh, lentilSoup
[18:15:42] <swiss> 01:13:36 #Soylent: < lentilSoup> swiss: Yes, randomly dividing all the system settings between the control panel, the snap-in console and the Charms Bar is just what I had in mind when I bought a new computer.
[18:15:52] <swiss> you said that after i fell asleep last night
[18:15:56] <swiss> about win 8
[18:16:03] <lentilSoup> And you remembered!
[18:16:08] <lentilSoup> I love you too, honey
[18:16:08] <swiss> Imo, i get that no matter what when I get windows :P
[18:16:23] <swiss> doesn't matter which version i run, I don't have an /etc full of configs, and that makes me sad
[18:17:04] <lentilSoup> It's a different approach from Linux's /etc, but it was mostly done consistently.
[18:17:40] <lentilSoup> Windows 8 is a pain.
[18:18:42] <lentilSoup> Even more so, Windows 8.1 Update 1 with Classic Shell and most of the Metro horror disabled is a pain.
[18:18:56] <swiss> i love original iwndows 8
[18:19:06] <swiss> I run every application full screen on its own desktop on linux
[18:19:22] <swiss> i tap the meta4 key and type my application name to bring it up
[18:19:34] <swiss> and i hate wasted space on a menu bar and stuff
[18:20:02] <swiss> it's not like I am working on my application as i plan to launch another application, so I love that it takes the whole screen and makes it more readable for me
[18:20:25] <lentilSoup> Before I bought a new laptop, I didn't believe Win8 was as bad as it was made out to be.
[18:20:52] <lentilSoup> I find myself wanting to punch the screen occasionally.
[18:21:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Two Cosmonauts Find Icicle Hanging from an Air Pipe - http://sylnt.us - saving-silent-solyut-seven
[18:21:16] <swiss> lol
[18:21:18] <ciri> HEHEHEHE
[18:21:22] <swiss> i love server 2012 though
[18:21:27] <swiss> oh my jesus, that speed with core
[18:21:37] <swiss> I couldn't believe that the install time was so fast
[18:21:46] <swiss> i had a working AD in like 20 minutes
[18:22:21] <lentilSoup> It is inconceiveable that they actually shipped that POS.
[18:22:59] <swiss> they shipped vista
[18:23:01] <swiss> and ME
[18:23:14] <lentilSoup> Even if they thought they will be training a new generation of WIndows Phone users, there is simply no way that a non-touch PC user would find it even remotely bareable.
[18:23:36] <lentilSoup> swiss: And I assumed they learned their lesson.
[18:23:49] <swiss> imo it's the most keyboard-centric distro yet
[18:24:09] <swiss> idk where people get the "OMG ITS TOUCH" from
[18:24:19] <swiss> their lockscreen had ISSUES with touch users
[18:24:52] <lentilSoup> My laptop has a detachable touch screen.
[18:24:54] <lentilSoup> I like touch.
[18:25:11] <swiss> i just mean that win8 wasn't a "touch centric" disro like people played it up to be
[18:25:14] <lentilSoup> So much that I try touching other people's screens in frustration.
[18:25:25] <swiss> "OMG IT HAS TILES, IT MUST BE LIKE APHONE"
[18:25:32] <mrcoolbp> omg tiles
[18:25:37] <mrcoolbp> n ponies
[18:25:43] <swiss> then again, i also love gnome3
[18:25:44] <lentilSoup> Oh, I dont' use that Start Screen crap.
[18:25:51] <lentilSoup> And I uninstalled all the fucking "apps".
[18:25:52] <swiss> which means most people hate my UI anyway
[18:26:11] <lentilSoup> Including the awful, awful, AWFUL Office 2013
[18:26:21] <lentilSoup> Which came FREE with the computer
[18:26:23] <swiss> ... i love 2013
[18:26:25] <swiss> well
[18:26:29] <lentilSoup> IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK
[18:26:29] <swiss> more than the previous versions
[18:26:36] <swiss> it works great for me
[18:26:40] <swiss> well, i have 2013 plus
[18:26:42] <lentilSoup> It's insanely terrible.
[18:26:58] <swiss> have you considered that you might just be bad at it?
[18:27:07] <lentilSoup> At Word?
[18:27:13] <swiss> yeah
[18:27:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't use office products. not ms, not open, not anything.
[18:27:28] <swiss> i like google docs more though
[18:27:37] <lentilSoup> Office 2010 works great with the same computer.
[18:27:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> plaintext, hypertext, or a proper db
[18:27:52] <swiss> idk what makes you so mad at 2013 then
[18:27:58] <swiss> i found it to be a no-effort transition
[18:28:08] <lentilSoup> It has a line count that works, and it saves files in under 30 secs.
[18:28:21] <lentilSoup> The latter is a *very* common complaint, btw.
[18:29:01] <lentilSoup> The pointer and keyboard don't lag.
[18:29:06] <lentilSoup> Another common complaint.
[18:30:13] <lentilSoup> I thought it was my laptop until I discovered that it was 2013's stupid graphics implementation.
[18:30:25] <swiss> i don't have that issue at all
[18:30:53] <swiss> BUG CLOSED: worksforme
[18:30:59] <lentilSoup> For most people, it is solved by disabling "hardware accelaration" in Word.
[18:31:05] <lentilSoup> Seriously.
[18:31:09] <swiss> i just have crazy powerful computers
[18:31:26] <lentilSoup> Mine is underpowered.
[18:31:35] <lentilSoup> But it works great with 2010.
[18:31:35] <swiss> there's your problem
[18:31:40] <swiss> it's 3 years later
[18:31:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine is superpowered. complete with spandex.
[18:31:49] <swiss> they expect you to hve hardware that is 3 years newer
[18:32:06] <lentilSoup> And since 2013 has no new features, WTF should I use it?
[18:32:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> to make them more money
[18:32:20] <lentilSoup> It *is* new!
[18:32:40] <lentilSoup> UEFI, Connected Standby, etc.
[18:32:48] <lentilSoup> It's just a weakling.
[18:33:54] <lentilSoup> Besides, 2013's "touch interface" is basically just marginally larger buttons. It's seriously lacking in that department.
[18:34:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> drop chip, chip sticks in beard, don't have to reach far to pick up chip, win.
[18:34:11] <swiss> i don't do touch
[18:34:26] <lentilSoup> Touch is addictive.
[18:34:28] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: did dip get in beard?
[18:34:32] <swiss> lentilSoup: not for me
[18:34:44] <swiss> mostly cause my hands are terribly unsteady
[18:34:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp, put the dip up on account of i remembered i don't like dip.
[18:34:53] <lentilSoup> Why move my finger on the touchpad when I can just poke the screen exactly where I want it?
[18:34:56] <lentilSoup> It's neat.
[18:35:17] <swiss> i look like a 2 year old trying to stick the square object through the triangle hole
[18:35:27] <lentilSoup> I didn't see a use for it before I tried it.
[18:35:42] <lentilSoup> That sounds dirty in a very messed up way, swiss.
[18:35:59] <swiss> nope
[18:36:31] <lentilSoup> Yes, it does. It's just that you europeans have a far more liberal view of such matters.
[18:36:39] <swiss> http://www.projectation.com this is me
[18:36:42] <lentilSoup> s/liberal/degenerate
[18:36:43] * SedBot9000 offers lontolSip a /
[18:36:51] <swiss> i've lived in california all my life :P
[18:36:53] <lentilSoup> heh
[18:36:58] <lentilSoup> Same difference!
[18:37:14] <lentilSoup> We all know what goes on in that state of yours.
[18:37:20] <swiss> fun?
[18:37:30] <lentilSoup> Dirty fun.
[18:37:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> buncha pot-smoking hippies
[18:38:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> from the redundant department of redundancy
[18:38:14] <lentilSoup> Couldn't even run it as an independent country for more than what, a month?
[18:39:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> wouldn't even try nowadays. they'd make the US debt vs gdp ratio look like a pittance really quick
[18:39:17] <lentilSoup> June 14 to July 9.
[18:39:19] <swiss> of course!
[18:39:22] <swiss> we need our train
[18:39:26] <lentilSoup> That's a terrible record.
[18:40:22] <lentilSoup> Even Texas lasted a decade.
[18:40:39] <lentilSoup> It's the degeneracy.
[18:40:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> texas SHOULD leave the union. we're currently nod doing a damned thing for them. they're carrying US.
[18:41:26] <lentilSoup> Too bad they can't, despite what a bunch of them think.
[18:41:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's not a single blue state in the union that compares economically to texas.
[18:41:42] <swiss> i'd currently vote for rick perry as pres I think
[18:41:47] <lentilSoup> All 50 states are under the permanant occupation of the Federal government. Yay!
[18:41:56] <mrcoolbp> joy
[18:45:08] <lentilSoup> TheMightyBuzzard: You done fixed their laws regarding sex toys and deviant practices. That's a good thing.
[18:46:05] <lentilSoup> On second thoguht, maybe it isn't so good. Look at how CA is doing!
[18:46:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm all in favor of deviant practices in theory. it's just that when they become the norm you gotta do a wtf check.
[18:53:09] <lentilSoup> Like, sleeping in the same bed with your wife?
[18:53:19] <swiss> holy shit, people do that?
[18:53:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno why anyone would want to.
[18:53:44] <swiss> people are hot sweaty and gross
[18:54:37] <lentilSoup> http://3.bp.blogspot.com
[18:54:45] <lentilSoup> That's the proper way to do it.
[18:54:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> sex is all fine and good but bitch needs to get to her own bed after. preferably in her own room.
[19:01:25] <lentilSoup> Sex is all fine and good?!
[19:01:38] <lentilSoup> http://www.youtube.com
[19:01:39] <monopoly> ^ 03A Bit Of Fry And Laurie - YouTube
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[21:38:16] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:38:16] <Bender> karma - coffee: 807
[21:38:25] <crutchy> fruit_loops++
[21:38:25] <Bender> karma - fruit_loops: 1
[21:38:38] <crutchy> sugar_high++
[21:38:38] <Bender> karma - sugar_high: 1
[21:46:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.breitbart.com
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[21:57:45] <juggs> mpd++
[21:57:45] <Bender> karma - mpd: 2
[21:57:52] <juggs> noisy_neighbours--
[21:57:52] <Bender> karma - noisy_neighbours: -1
[21:58:22] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, i read most of that page (including some comments) and i still have nfi what its about
[21:58:34] <crutchy> but i'm not a gamer
[21:58:54] <crutchy> are some gamers getting pissy about being picked on on the interblags?
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[21:59:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> corruption by gaming journalists mostly. pushing ideology they collectively decide on and supporting/defending anyone in the In Crowd
[21:59:53] * crutchy wasn't aware that there was an "In Crowd"
[22:00:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> me either. apparently i was misinformed
[22:00:28] <crutchy> someone could easily make some shit up about Ars Technica and it could spread like wildfire, or it might not. the intertubes is fickle
[22:00:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> i gave up reading game reviews a long time ago cause they're all the same and they're all woohoo yay for this epic, awesome game!
[22:01:03] <crutchy> i think most gamers are pretty dumb
[22:01:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> that list there shows they were in fact doing exactly what everyone's been accusing them of.
[22:01:34] <crutchy> prolly the ones that make the most noise are progressive bums with no jobs (hence plenty of time for games)
[22:01:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, whole gaming journo industry is mega in favor of that stance.
[22:02:18] <crutchy> wow i could be a gaming journo :p
[22:02:45] * juggs feels sad - was trading in oolite earlier - got a big pay say on shipping ~3000Kg of platinum and gems from one side of the galaxy to the other while carrying paying passengers for various hops on route.
[22:02:51] <juggs> pay day *
[22:02:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> gave a full stars review to a game that had a progressive message even if it sucked oh and this was after the game developer slept with the reviewer.
[22:03:13] <crutchy> either that or i could make a iphone game called "stop playing games so much and get a fucking job you fat lazy slob"
[22:03:26] <juggs> in php?
[22:03:30] <juggs> :D
[22:03:41] <crutchy> it would have to be in vb to be awesome :p
[22:04:04] <crutchy> don't want it to be too quick or anything
[22:04:27] <crutchy> these slobs can only move their greasy fingers so fast
[22:12:17] <crutchy> hhvm+php would prolly make a pretty slick game
[22:12:44] <crutchy> dunno about 3d graphics and stuff though
[22:13:40] * crutchy doesn't play much 3d games. used to mow down some grannies and cops and stuff in gta vice city after work sometimes, but haven't done that for ages
[22:16:18] <crutchy> i think the moral of the story is: anything you do online (whether it be online games, irc, blogs, forums, twitter, etc) is out there for scrutiny. "internet privacy" is an oxymoron
[22:17:10] <juggs> seems "privacy" is an oxymoron these days. Mebbe it always was and the blindfold is just now being removed.
[22:20:12] <Blackmoore> anyone else getting a 503 on the site?
[22:20:17] <swiss> are you surprised this mailing list exists?
[22:20:38] * juggs looks at games installed.... Micropolis, MUDlet (used that for SN's MUD), Oolite and Urban Terror. I think I probably avg 2 - 3 hours a month with any of that. If Elite: Dangerous lives up to its hype that will likely change in a big way.
[22:20:41] <swiss> i don't think it's to "change the view of everyone" so much as "Hey, look what I found interesting, let me run it by you guys and hear your take on it before I post it"
[22:21:20] <juggs> Blackmoore, where are you seeing 503s?
[22:22:11] <Blackmoore> must have just been me.
[22:22:24] <crutchy> ~isup www.soylentnews.org
[22:22:26] <exec> www.soylentnews.org: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
[22:22:36] <crutchy> ~isup www.soylentnews.org:443
[22:22:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> swiss, yeah that would be the way they'd spin it but there was a big damned scandal when real journalists did the same thing back in 2010.
[22:22:38] <exec> www.soylentnews.org:443: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
[22:22:45] <Blackmoore> we've been getting outages here at work.
[22:22:51] <juggs> seems a bit slow - but I never know with my connection.
[22:23:25] <juggs> Oooh - got logged out. I suspect this is pj at work on the comment limit stuff.
[22:23:28] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: i don't think it's intentional, or "scandal" like at all, when i put myself in their shoes
[22:23:33] <crutchy> i used to play a bit of starcraft and civ 2, but never online
[22:23:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> and if you read the emails it's a lot closer to giving peer pressure orders than hrm, do you agree with me
[22:23:53] <swiss> also, that's the more recent emails, concerning a very controversial issue
[22:24:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> screw their shoes man. they been pushing politics into games coverage intentionally.
[22:24:06] <swiss> look at lkml when big issues happen. The difference is that one is public
[22:24:35] <swiss> people into product journalism are often opinionated, that's why we read their product reviews, because we trust their opinions
[22:24:48] <crutchy> i'm still trying to figure out who is the bad guy. prolly cos i'm not up with the whole story
[22:24:56] <swiss> issue comes up, especially with someone they're all close to, arguments are gonna happen on the mailing list
[22:25:03] <crutchy> is is gamers vs game devs or something?
[22:25:09] <crutchy> or gamers vs game journos?
[22:25:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> trusting and wanting their opinion on one thing does not mean i trust it or want it on anything else
[22:25:22] <crutchy> or game devs vs game journos?
[22:25:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, gamers against both
[22:25:34] <swiss> crutchy: tl;dr, quinn made shitty games and was the "girl developer," and slept with a dude who was writing reviews about her game
[22:26:00] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: they weren't telling you their opinion, they were telling the rest of the mailing list their opinion
[22:26:04] <crutchy> haha smart girl
[22:26:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> and the douchebags all colluded to cover it up
[22:26:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> swiss, it comes out in their coverage too
[22:26:22] <juggs> oh gwad not this again - didn't it die already?
[22:26:53] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: meh, i can see why they did it. Do I think they're all dirtbags? yes. Do I think the "secret mailing list" was inappropriate or bad? no.
[22:26:56] <chromas> juggs: NEVAR!
[22:27:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean ffs, i don't watch the food network because i want to hear about their fscking political views.
[22:27:05] <juggs> ~sigh~
[22:27:05] <swiss> juggs: now it's about the mailing list, not about quinn
[22:27:12] <crutchy> what's wrong with game journos colluding?
[22:27:24] <chromas> harley_quinn++
[22:27:24] <Bender> karma - harley_quinn: 1
[22:27:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas++
[22:27:32] <Bender> karma - chromas: 32
[22:27:37] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: you don't have to read what they post, that's what skipping stories is for
[22:27:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> harley_quinn++
[22:27:39] <Bender> karma - harley_quinn: 2
[22:27:51] * chromas notices there's a Mister J with a lithp in here
[22:27:59] <swiss> crutchy: apparently "shaping the opinion of hte public mah mah mah"
[22:28:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> swiss, skipping publications you mean.
[22:28:16] * juggs adds a twig to TheMightyBuzzard's nest
[22:28:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> like i can't watch tv news anymore because of exactly the same crap.
[22:28:22] <swiss> yeah, but who says they're wrong to do it? You don't like what they're posting, you stop reading their posts
[22:28:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> swiss, i have
[22:28:37] <crutchy> lol. if public shapes their opinions based on what game journos write, that's just fucking sad (for public)
[22:28:41] <swiss> so what's the issue with the mailing list?
[22:28:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> but i've got every right to call em cockbiting fucktards for it as well
[22:29:03] <crutchy> hell yea
[22:29:09] <swiss> i call them dirtbags for how they handled the issue, not for the mailing list
[22:29:21] <crutchy> boner-biting-dick-fuck-fuck-faces... all of em
[22:29:30] <swiss> you have a mod channel in here, and a review process for stories
[22:29:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh the mailing list was just proof of what everyone had been saying.
[22:29:46] <crutchy> we have a mod channel?
[22:29:55] <swiss> crutchy: something like that, idk, staff?
[22:30:11] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: their stance on this issue?
[22:30:15] <swiss> i thought that was pretty clear
[22:30:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> of the collusion
[22:31:33] <crutchy> i know there are secret squirrel channels
[22:31:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> you do not talk nicey-nice with your competitors and present a united front against the people. that is bad m'kay?
[22:31:53] <crutchy> but progressives love unions
[22:32:07] <swiss> if you think there is an ethical issue with posting about some things
[22:32:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, s'okay, i don't like either.
[22:32:11] <swiss> like they clearly do
[22:32:26] <swiss> then it's not wrong to ask other news outlets to keep from carrying it
[22:32:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'not wrong to ask them to cut that shit out and be journalists either.
[22:32:53] <swiss> you can see that some of the people clearly view it as sexual harassment. If you think another news outlet is posting stories you liken to sexual harassment, you ask them to take it down.
[22:32:57] <crutchy> if people can form unions, why can't journos? seems kinda hypocritical to me
[22:33:21] <crutchy> doesn't have to be for same purpose
[22:34:10] <swiss> it's just another case of people getting mad because people with louder voices than them have different opinions than they do
[22:34:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> swiss, the whole sexual harassment was a smoke screen built up by the folks at the mags
[22:34:37] <swiss> whether or not you believe it's sexual harassment is unrelated.
[22:34:46] <swiss> it's whether they *believed* it was sexual harassment
[22:34:50] <crutchy> off to workipoos. laterz
[22:34:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> no man. it's a case of people being pissed because they wanted Game journalism and got Politics and corruption
[22:35:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> swiss, nobody believed it was sexual harassment before the mags called it that
[22:35:28] <swiss> you mean that they're mad because journalists were people too, and had their own ideas and ethical code
[22:35:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> swiss, no, mad that they asked for one thing and got something entirely different
[22:36:03] <swiss> uh, i definitely thought it was when I heard that they were dragging someone's sex life to bring down their reputation
[22:36:07] <swiss> >asking for one thing
[22:36:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck their ethics. if i go for a burger i better get a burger and not tofu.
[22:36:19] <swiss> these people aren't your employees
[22:36:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> swiss, no but we are their customers and they'd damned well better pay attention to us.
[22:36:54] <swiss> you can ask all you want, but if they have no obligation to do what you ask
[22:37:17] <swiss> that's not how this works. That's how you'd like it to work, but it's not how it works.
[22:37:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, they can get everyone all up in their face and spreading the word that their mag is shit instead.
[22:37:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is what is happening. negative word of mouth.
[22:37:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck em if they don't like it.
[22:37:52] <swiss> A great example of shit not working the way you'd like: When belkin's router was found to have a security flaw, what do you think the market's reaction was?
[22:37:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> they earned it
[22:38:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> swiss, you don't justify bad behavior by pointing out worse
[22:38:25] <swiss> I'm not "pointing out worse"
[22:38:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> they can do what they like. we can riot if we like. all works out just fine.
[22:39:03] <swiss> I'm telling you you have an overly idealistic view of the world where you aren't including free will, ethics, morals, and opinions other than your own
[22:39:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure i am
[22:39:19] <swiss> when belkin's router was found to have a security flaw, the sales for that router went up.
[22:39:19] <chromas> Belkin-- for embedding password in the login page
[22:39:19] <Bender> karma - belkin: -1
[22:39:37] <swiss> because it got that router's name all over the net
[22:39:49] <swiss> I talked to their head of security, and he was pissed that this happened
[22:39:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> but if you're selling something and you piss off a consumer, well you're going to have to deal with pissed off consumers.
[22:40:28] <swiss> because it meant that it was harder to convince the CEO and such to spend money on security
[22:40:41] <swiss> just because their customers get pissed off does not mean what they're doing is "wrong"
[22:40:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> so no, i don't give a fuck about their free will, ethics, or anything else. they're in business and if they want to shoot themselves in the foot, more power to em.
[22:41:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> swiss, yes it does if that is my opinion
[22:41:09] <swiss> if they believe doing anything else would be unethical, then fuck their customers, they should be following their ethics
[22:41:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Comment Limits Set - http://sylnt.us - we-never-knew || Japanese Stem Cell Trials - http://sylnt.us - Amoebas-don't-make-motorcycles-and-atomic-bombs!
[22:41:23] <swiss> that's what you would do
[22:41:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're trying to say their opinion matters and i should quietly take it if mine differs? hell no man.
[22:41:58] <swiss> i'm saying you should be arguing against their opinion, not their actions
[22:42:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> no. i do not put ethics into business. it has no place there.
[22:42:22] <swiss> if you found a security flaw on a product your company just released, would you stay silent about it forever?
[22:42:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i'd fix it.
[22:42:38] <swiss> or a security flaw on a product that was about to be released?
[22:42:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's what i do.
[22:43:04] <swiss> the company refuses to pay for you to fix it, because they don't see a need for it
[22:43:07] <swiss> what do you do?
[22:43:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't fix it. it's their money and their problem.
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[22:43:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> ethics have no place in business. only money does.
[22:43:57] <swiss> and you stay silent about a major security flaw that could hurt all the people that bought that product?
[22:44:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> tough shit to them.
[22:45:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> tell you what i would absolutely not do though. i would not send out a recycle your old router or you're the devil letter to our mailing list.
[22:45:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> nobody wants to hear your political views unless you're in a forum where that's at least partially what people came for.
[22:45:53] <swiss> I would escalate the issue until I was fired or they fixed it, then in my own time come up with a patch, and distribute it.
[22:46:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> good for you. i might code the patch myself too but i would not leak about a security vulnerability.
[22:46:43] <swiss> Because that's what my ethics tell me to do. I hope that people follow their morals/ethics in other companies, or else your life is going to be shit.
[22:47:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> sweet fuck i don't. i'd end up being completely unable to hold a job ever again.
[22:47:29] <swiss> escalate means within the company btw
[22:47:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[22:47:34] <swiss> not outside
[22:47:46] <swiss> i ofc would not release info about a 0 day without responsible disclosure
[22:47:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> i would do the same there but that's because that's how the job is done not because of ethics.
[22:48:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> seriously. nobody at work wants your ethics tainting your work unless you work for greenpeace.
[22:49:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> there are very few things you can do to be more of a dickwad than to shove your beliefs down someone else's throat.
[22:49:20] <juggs> greenpeace have ethics? news to me.
[22:50:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is kinda what we're doing here but it's expected at least once a day in this channel.
[22:50:23] <swiss> I was hired because I had ethics that they believe would help the company
[22:50:54] <swiss> for shit like retail, yeah, take your ethics and shove it up your ass if you want that job
[22:51:24] <swiss> but if you're not following your ethics, you're a boring worker bee, and imo those people are less than useless
[22:51:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> boring worker bees make the world function
[22:52:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> a shovel or wrench don't care about your ethics
[22:52:12] <swiss> boring worker bees shouldn't be doing unethical things
[22:52:22] <swiss> that's another one though, auto mechanics
[22:52:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> neither should journos
[22:52:48] <swiss> some of those places are exteremely unethical, and I am suprised they're still in business
[22:52:58] <swiss> one of my friends was working jiffy lube, and a oil pan bolt stripped out on him
[22:53:10] <swiss> shift manager told him to super glue it in there
[22:53:22] <swiss> and not to tell the customer
[22:53:37] <swiss> he quit on the stop
[22:53:40] <swiss> spot*
[22:53:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeesh. that is not how to keep customers.
[22:54:17] <swiss> works fine, since the next time someone comes in they get told they had a stripped oil pan bolt, and they charge them for a new oil pan and bolt
[22:54:27] <swiss> most consumers are too stupid to realize it was the oil change that did that
[22:54:44] <swiss> and suddenly the shop made MORE money because of its fuckup
[22:54:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> in business, you should have exactly the ethics your customers what you to have as a company and none as an individual.
[22:55:01] <swiss> but that's not good business
[22:55:16] <swiss> what if salespeople never tried to sell you the extras?
[22:55:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure it is. the customer is always right is a very, very old saying
[22:55:20] <swiss> the "paint protection"
[22:55:47] <swiss> what if amazon had 0 ads?
[22:55:50] <swiss> google had 0 ads?
[22:56:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> google has ads?
[22:56:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh right, i did hear something about that
[22:56:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> in advertising you are not the customer. you are the product.
[22:57:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> i am nobody's product though
[22:57:20] <swiss> you're amazon's customer
[22:57:36] <swiss> and not every customer wants the same thing
[22:58:20] <swiss> as a journalist, your job is to write stories that the publication wants to publish. Not that the reader wants to read, that's incidental.
[22:58:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not amazon's product though. i don't do ads.
[22:58:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> as a publisher, your job is entirely different and you'd damned well better listen to the customer.
[22:59:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> and thus, your journos had better also or they should be looking for work
[22:59:49] <swiss> the customers are reading your publication because they enjoyed reading what you decided to publish
[23:00:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, they're reading because they liked what you published last time
[23:00:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> that does not mean they will swallow whatever swill you feed them. as evidenced by recent events.
[23:00:47] <swiss> so, to a publisher, the question is "Does this go along with what *I* think should be published"
[23:00:59] <swiss> because the readers are enoying what that publisher chose in the past
[23:01:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, it is "what do the customers want" because that is what will make you money. nothing else will.
[23:01:25] <swiss> sometimes it doesn't work out. But that doesn't mean the publisher was "being a bad publisher"
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[23:02:07] <swiss> customers for the chromecast wanted it to work with porn sites
[23:02:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, it really does
[23:02:10] <swiss> google said "nope"
[23:02:16] <swiss> people dealt with it
[23:02:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> failure is bad, success is good.
[23:02:35] <swiss> Kotaku said "we aren't gonna publish quinn stories, we think it's unethical"
[23:02:46] <swiss> some people got angry. Their viewership didn't plummet
[23:03:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> er... have you checked?
[23:03:07] <swiss> /. changed their UI. Some people (4700 here) got mad and left. Plenty have stayed
[23:03:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> it rather has.
[23:03:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> most of the online game mags hits graphs look like a downward pointing hockey stick right now
[23:03:54] <swiss> http://www.google.com
[23:03:55] <monopoly> ^ 03Google Trends
[23:05:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, i'd expect their google trends to look quite nice being as people were googling for news of them
[23:05:31] <swiss> it's pretty steady
[23:05:51] <swiss> http://www.alexa.com plummetted for a bit, now it's back up
[23:05:52] <monopoly> ^ 03kotaku.com Site Overview
[23:06:06] <swiss> and you can see harsher plummets in the past
[23:06:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'not back up, it's at the bottom of a dip
[23:06:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> that coincides almost to the day with the scandal
[23:07:57] <swiss> looks like a standard dip to me
[23:08:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> odd timing then
[23:08:12] <swiss> i think they'll be higher than before within a month
[23:08:18] <swiss> it's the end of summer
[23:08:20] <swiss> it's not weird timing
[23:08:24] <swiss> people are starting school
[23:08:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's july when it dropped
[23:08:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> aug rather
[23:08:51] <swiss> no, that's august. The lines are every other month
[23:09:02] <swiss> school started here august 11th
[23:09:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude. early
[23:09:44] <swiss> that's how it's been happening
[23:09:56] <swiss> in fact, school terms coincide almost exactly with the dips in viewership
[23:10:07] <swiss> may is when the colleges on the semester system have finals
[23:10:30] <swiss> you see a spike in december, winter break
[23:10:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, not really.
[23:10:45] <swiss> spike right before april. Spring break.
[23:10:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> may should have been peak by that logic. it's in the cellar
[23:12:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, i've food to eat.
[23:13:29] <swiss> nope, finals are in may for semester, but plenty of schools are on quarter. You'll see a dip, then a gradual rise as the quarter students enter their finals, then a rise after that when everyone is out of school
[23:13:39] <swiss> interesting how that matches up though
[23:14:16] <swiss> tl;dr, the market is screwed up, we think our ethics would define the market, but most people don't care about issues like that, and the publicity from this ends up working out for them
[23:18:55] <swiss> weather here is so gross btw
[23:18:58] <swiss> still 89 out
[23:19:29] <swiss> i might ride the motorcycle to work tomorrow
[23:51:54] <juggs> swiss, so how long before you trade up to a 600 bike?
[23:52:06] <swiss> juggs: long ass time. This thing is way fast and fun
[23:52:16] <swiss> idk what people are on about "300 not being enough"
[23:52:32] <swiss> though I haven't taken it on the fwy yet
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