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[00:00:26] <crutchy> who needs investigation, stakeouts, or actual police work when you can grab your assault rifles and break into peoples homes based solely on an anonymous tip
[00:00:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Defies US Court Order, Will Not Give-up Emails - http://sylnt.us - short-arm-of-the-law
[00:01:18] <geotti> Go Microsoft!
[00:01:25] <geotti> did I just say that?!
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[00:01:50] * crutchy gets thermometer out to check geotti's temperature
[00:02:29] <crutchy> hope they stream the swat team breaking down the doors of microsoft
[00:02:31] * geotti wonders if it's high temperature or the thermometer uses imperial units
[00:03:44] <geotti> I'd rather see ballmer throw a chair again
[00:03:50] <crutchy> one good thing about a multinational... the person responsible for defying a country's court order can safely do so from the confines of another country :D
[00:04:37] <geotti> and another reason for the feds to pass laws to send corporations to jail :)))
[00:04:45] <crutchy> developers developers developers... who's with me? get your sweat on #soylent!
[00:05:21] <crutchy> yeah lock them pieces of paper up tight for good
[00:05:55] <geotti> Bags, Bags, Bags, Bags, Bags...! https://www.youtube.com
[00:05:55] <monopoly> ^ 03Bag Hutch - YouTube
[00:08:08] <crutchy> i personally don't havee a problem with microsoft doing what they do... they just do what every other company wishes they could do too. if morons in government weren't so corrupt as to give corporations like microsoft leverage over competitors there would be little problems instead of big ones
[00:08:20] <crutchy> corruption always stems from government corruption
[00:08:45] <crutchy> because only governments have the power to legally steal from others. companies can only sell things to make money
[00:10:18] <crutchy> what microsoft did in the 80s/90s was supported by the patent and copyright system of the US. the whole DoJ thing was nothing but a charade
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[00:11:04] <Alberto> PORN IS THE SOLUTION
[00:11:12] <Alberto> With PORN We can solve all the problems!
[00:11:25] <Alberto> Vote for Pron, Vote Alberto 2015!
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[00:11:39] <Alberto> we are talking about politics?
[00:11:39] <Alberto> :p
[00:11:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope. porn's just not that versatile. has to be either violence or duct tape.
[00:12:16] <Alberto> hum
[00:12:26] <Alberto> duct tape and porn is a good mix
[00:12:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> was going to say, both are regularly found in porn
[00:13:04] <crutchy> only reason why ms is feeling the heat atm is that bigger foreign companies are learning the play the policial game in the US despite all the trade barriers the government throws in their way
[00:13:27] <Alberto> crutchy MS right now
[00:13:34] <crutchy> microsoft would have no hope at all of competing on an even playing field
[00:13:36] <Alberto> did a lot of lobby to get a billing for free software DOWN
[00:13:39] <Alberto> ad they WIN
[00:13:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> need emperor TMB I
[00:13:55] <Alberto> they denied the right to free software to an entire country, "Chile"
[00:14:41] <Alberto> crutchy http://www.theregister.co.uk
[00:15:01] <Alberto> Microsoft is more powerfull than ever
[00:15:06] <crutchy> companies like microsoft are essentially government sponsored entities. without the support of government forces, they fall
[00:15:32] <Alberto> crutchy governments are dump
[00:15:36] <crutchy> take away the patent and copyright protections that government gives them and they don't stand a chance
[00:15:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> no corporate tax, no special treatment of any corp, no legal or political abilities aside from being able to be sued/sue, no corps buying other corps, any lawmaker proposing a special treatment law for a corp gets drug out and shot.
[00:16:02] <Alberto> illusions
[00:16:06] <Alberto> people is greedy
[00:16:13] <Alberto> won't EVER happen
[00:16:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> will when i'm emperor
[00:16:36] <crutchy> if government departments didn't stoop so low as to give their corporate buddies special treatment (on order from their political chiefs) there would be no microsoft
[00:16:47] <Alberto> crutchy First problem is the USERS
[00:17:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> 5 year patents and copyrights. no renewals. no evergreening.
[00:17:02] <crutchy> users?
[00:17:10] <crutchy> fuck the whole patent system
[00:17:11] <Alberto> If we keep using Windows... we give them power
[00:17:25] <Alberto> TheMightyBuzzard 5? lol
[00:17:41] <Alberto> this is a very old story
[00:17:45] <Alberto> old as time
[00:17:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep. if you can't make a buck on it in five years, it's not worth a buck.
[00:17:48] <crutchy> foreign interests are winning despite the patent system... take it away and imagine the competitive crush
[00:17:59] <crutchy> the tech drive would be massive
[00:18:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> no software, business method, or other nebulous bullshit patents. you patent novel hardware or you get no patents.
[00:18:47] <crutchy> big corps that seem so unbreakable would crumble under their own weight if not for their political special interests
[00:18:48] <geotti> calm down, watch Juice News instead: https://www.youtube.com
[00:18:49] <monopoly> ^ 03MSMBS World News Headlies: ISIS, Gaza, Ukraine and more... [RAP NEWS 27] - YouTube
[00:18:51] <Alberto> utopic
[00:18:56] <Alberto> as the "world peace"
[00:19:55] <crutchy> /rant :P
[00:19:57] <geotti> should I do some actual work, or should I dockerize OpenBazaar instead? Hmmm...
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[00:22:23] * geotti thinks everyone's watching rap news instead of helping me decide.
[00:22:43] <crutchy> i'm ddrinking my 2nd coffee
[00:22:46] <crutchy> coffee++
[00:22:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 708
[00:22:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> not me, i'm considering doing dishes
[00:22:49] <crutchy> day_off++
[00:22:49] <Bender> karma - day_off: 2
[00:22:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[00:22:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 709
[00:23:04] <crutchy> eck. i have dishes waiting too :(
[00:23:12] <crutchy> at least they're rinsed
[00:23:17] * geotti has a dishwasher (wife)
[00:23:21] <crutchy> lol
[00:23:22] <ciri> heh
[00:23:36] <crutchy> wait a few years till that dishwasher breaks
[00:23:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya well, dishpan hands are a cheap price to pay for liberty.
[00:23:49] <crutchy> those sorts of dishwashers are also very high maintenance costs :p
[00:24:03] <geotti> indeed...
[00:24:19] * crutchy is only speaking from experience :D
[00:24:21] * Alberto likes rap news
[00:24:24] * geotti offsetts the time to break with an actual dishwasher
[00:24:40] <geotti> yeah, they're quite cool
[00:24:49] <crutchy> they don't seem to make whitegoods as well as they used to
[00:25:06] <crutchy> so much for "lean manufacturing"
[00:25:13] <geotti> yeah, even Miele breaks
[00:25:14] <crutchy> more like "lean budgeting"
[00:25:22] <geotti> lean beancounters
[00:25:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, off i go. if you don't hear from me within an hour, call the paramedics and tell them i'm down with terminal pruny fingers.
[00:25:41] <crutchy> simpson brand used to be awesome
[00:25:47] <crutchy> lol
[00:25:48] <ciri> lol damn!
[00:25:54] <Alberto> So
[00:25:57] <geotti> uh oh
[00:25:59] <Alberto> Hail Russia?
[00:26:01] <Alberto> lol
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[00:26:08] <crutchy> good luck TheMightyBuzzard. i might see you in hell after i start my own dishes :p
[00:26:29] <crutchy> russia is just playing a game
[00:26:30] <geotti> Alberto, why, what did they do again?
[00:26:33] <Alberto> any russian here to tell whats the news on they country?
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[00:26:52] <crutchy> russians are just reminding america that they aren't as tough as they think they are
[00:26:52] <Alberto> geotti invading ukrania
[00:26:56] <geotti> i don't watch in-russia news
[00:27:17] <Alberto> i want to know what propaganda are they selling
[00:27:25] <geotti> Alberto: [source missing]
[00:27:27] <crutchy> remember the lesson that russia taught germany?
[00:27:42] <crutchy> hopefully their lesson this time doesn't quite go to that extreme
[00:27:43] <geotti> you mean, don't wait for winter? Everyone seems to have forgotten it
[00:27:48] <crutchy> russians are scary
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[00:28:21] <crutchy> they shoot their own soldiers in the interests of mowing down the enemy
[00:28:22] <Alberto> Americans not are idiot
[00:28:26] <paulej72> did i just see activity from FoobarBazbot
[00:28:31] <Alberto> they won't fight a war if they can't win
[00:28:33] * geotti looks in the mirror and screams.
[00:28:37] <crutchy> maybe just his bouncer
[00:28:41] <geotti> you're right, crutchy . ; )
[00:29:04] <paulej72> rebooted his server
[00:29:26] <geotti> seriously, i don't think either of us knows what the conflict is about.
[00:29:37] <geotti> but it sure is scary
[00:29:53] <crutchy> if australia follows america into a war with russia, i'm moving to the outback away from any capital cities
[00:30:19] <Alberto> crutchy go where the snakes are and the poison stuff
[00:30:23] <crutchy> lol
[00:30:24] <Alberto> russians wont go there
[00:30:30] <Alberto> :P
[00:30:36] <crutchy> hopefully
[00:30:36] <JamesNZ> Alberto: There was Vietnam.
[00:31:02] <crutchy> i wouldn't try to second guess a russian at anything. there's a reason why its called "russian roullete"
[00:31:10] <Alberto> Vietnam was a FAIL
[00:31:12] <geotti> lol
[00:31:28] <Alberto> reminds me germany-russia
[00:31:29] <JamesNZ> Alberto: Yes :)
[00:31:44] <Alberto> lets go an invade a territory wich we don't know
[00:31:48] <geotti> Mars!
[00:31:50] <Alberto> okook ARRGGGGGGG die die die
[00:31:51] <Alberto> XD
[00:32:32] <crutchy> germany was very silly for invading russia. big mistake
[00:32:37] <geotti> Let's all unite and mine minerals on the moon, build stuff right there and send it back in rockets powered by batteries charged with solar power
[00:32:42] <crutchy> brb
[00:33:25] <geotti> yeah, Hitler had megalomania
[00:33:41] <paulej72> geotti: no need for rockets. a linear accelerator works well in vacuum
[00:33:41] <geotti> apparently
[00:33:55] <geotti> paulej72: you're talking about an oversized trebuchet?
[00:34:43] <geotti> so, I guess it's decided then. I'll go dockerize openbazaar instead of doing actual work
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[00:35:44] <geotti> damn, why don't I have an AI that I can delegate work to?
[00:36:50] <paulej72> no http://en.wikipedia.org
[00:36:51] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Mass driver: A mass driver or electromagnetic catapult is a proposed method of non-rocket spacelaunch which would use a linear motor to accelerate and catapult payloads up to high speeds. All existing and contemplated mass drivers use coils of wire e...
[00:38:39] <geotti> oh! Yes!
[00:38:48] <geotti> Why aren't we up there yet?!
[00:39:17] <geotti> sometimes things are really depressing
[00:39:30] * geotti sighs
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[00:41:11] <geotti> any back of napkin calculation on how much investment is needed to create a multi-functional remote-controlled robot that we could send up there that could set up a base of operations, start mining stuff, smelting the ore, copy itself and build a factory?
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[00:41:58] <geotti> like, would the IMF "loan" guarantee to Ukraine be enough?
[00:43:12] <paulej72> just send a maker bot
[00:45:04] <geotti> Then it'll take forever
[00:46:09] <geotti> but maybe one of those oversized concrete 3d-printers
[00:47:20] <geotti> http://www.computerworld.com
[00:54:32] * TheMightyBuzzard prepares to jinx us
[00:54:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> site seems to be running pretty well without gluster
[01:01:28] <geotti> you guys know about xeno, btw? (https://github.com/havoc-io/xeno/)
[01:01:31] * geotti loves xeno
[01:02:33] <geotti> ("xeno allows you to edit files and folders on a remote system using the editor on your local machine. It synchronizes data using Git and SSH [...]")
[01:02:43] <geotti> it's the bomb!
[01:04:01] <geotti> I type xen /path/to/some/huge/ass/document on a remote machine and it opens up in whatever I specified as the editor of choice on my local box (i.e. textmate in my case)
[01:08:48] <geotti> and digitalocean sucks, not only do they not allow more than 1 IP per slice, they also write this: "To take a snapshot please poweroff your droplet from the command line. This may take more than an hour [...]"
[01:09:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> geotti, i just use gvim+ssx+x forwarding generally
[01:10:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> ssh even
[01:11:14] <geotti> yeah, I guess that works too, but it's not network transparent *ducks*
[01:12:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg. straight vim when it's too much of a bother.
[01:12:56] <geotti> TheMightyBuzzard: I actually like the git part of it. And my main box runs os x, so it fits nicely with the GUI stuff around here
[01:14:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, see i dislike the git part of it. i use git too much already. don't need yet another repo local to a machine that's a clone of the one in my dev vm that's also remotely backed up to github which is a fork of the soylentnews/slashcode fork of the original slashcode
[01:15:39] <geotti> looks like a clean dependency tree to me. props!
[01:16:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> is. my brain's too invested in perl to deal with git craziness.
[01:17:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> course you also have the other devs forks which you sometimes have to rebase from because they're working on a megapatch and testing it on dev all the time.
[01:17:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> that last one is usually me being guilty though.
[01:17:44] <geotti> hm
[01:18:02] <geotti> eveyone has their own test-instance?
[01:18:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, and their own fork.
[01:18:36] <geotti> sounds clean too : )
[01:18:54] <geotti> vagrant/chef/puppet in case someone f*** up on their instance?
[01:19:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah. they just gotta start over if they really break it.
[01:20:15] <geotti> how about code review?
[01:20:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> like i keep a backup vm in case i hose something and don't push to my github fork until i'm done with a branch.
[01:20:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> done during pull request merging. never merge anything of your own unless it's utterly trivial.
[01:20:53] <geotti> yeah, if it's just the slashcode, it's fine I guess
[01:21:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i mean we have files in there for db updates too but those have to be entered manually, so you review as you do.
[01:22:10] <geotti> Yeah, but I mean something like Gerrit (https://code.google.com/p/gerrit/)
[01:22:11] <monopoly> ^ 03gerrit - Gerrit Code Review - Google Project Hosting
[01:22:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> when in doubt, test on your own vm.
[01:22:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh nah. we just check each other.
[01:23:04] <geotti> "Gerrit simplifies Git based project maintainership by permitting any authorized user to submit changes to the master Git repository, rather than requiring all approved changes to be merged in by hand by the project maintainer. This functionality enables a more centralized usage of Git."
[01:23:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> no sense scrambling anyone else's brain with slash that doesn't have to be.
[01:23:30] <geotti> : )
[01:24:11] <geotti> It's quite an undertaking that you did reviving the code-base and all
[01:25:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, they impressed me with that. i came in late to hurry up getting metamod done and now it looks like i'll end up doing it.
[01:25:23] <geotti> yeah, that's what happens with the enthusiasts
[01:25:32] <geotti> they end up doing the work : )
[01:25:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[01:25:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> still, the less stress on NCommander the better.
[01:26:54] <geotti> yeah, management is a PITA
[01:27:04] <geotti> coding is like a vacation in contrast to that
[01:27:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's been trying to do dev, CEO, board member, change RL jobs, move to alaska, and fund the beastie until the store n subs opened.
[01:27:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> my feelings too, he's just the opposite which is bloody weird.
[01:28:32] <geotti> Just don't let him take someone like John Sculley on board and it'll be fine
[01:28:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[01:29:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> really don't need too much management right now. mostly need at least one more dev and two more sysadmins
[01:30:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> nc and pj are awesome but they aren't always around or available. be nice if we had one or two more guys who could reboot a server and knew when to and when not to
[01:31:12] <geotti> I'd be tempted, but I'm writing my masters, playing CTO for an online travel agency, managing a startup team and being a father
[01:31:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds like a full plate
[01:31:53] <geotti> what you could do is automate these tasks
[01:32:02] <geotti> like do metrics and reboot automatically
[01:32:11] <geotti> maybe with a failover
[01:32:20] <geotti> that jumps in
[01:32:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> some of them are pretty hard to measure and our failover failed
[01:33:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're currently limping by on a single apache server as a frontend.
[01:33:10] <geotti> hm... send metrics to app with a big button to reboot or not and push notifications on thresholds
[01:33:11] <geotti> ?
[01:33:52] <geotti> is there no way to replace that with light or nginx?
[01:34:11] * geotti only has apache on some legacy systems now
[01:34:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[01:34:22] <Bender> karma - coffee: 710
[01:34:34] * geotti doesn't run perl though. usually.
[01:34:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp. has to specifically be apache 1.x and use mod_perl.
[01:35:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> at least for now. NC is working on getting it happy with apache 2.2 and mod_perl2
[01:35:09] <geotti> yeah, that sucks
[01:35:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> truly. gotta compile in your modules with 1.x. i'd forgotten how much that well and truly sucked.
[01:36:31] <geotti> are there a lot of hard dependencies on that? Like is it possible to fake it to slashcode?
[01:36:59] <geotti> tell it it's running on mod_perl, while running on mod_perl2?
[01:37:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> it shouldn't be too difficult a port. only problem i had when i tried was a few .xs modules
[01:37:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> and a couple things that would have had to flat be rewritten.
[01:38:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> but yeah, you can stick it in compatibility mode for the most part
[01:38:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> mod_perl kinda boots any other server but apache to the curb though
[01:39:00] * geotti is totally out of his waters here, but
[01:39:10] <geotti> did you try http://nginx.org
[01:40:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, there's a lot of slash that depends on being precompiled for speed
[01:41:42] <geotti> hm
[01:42:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> it is a rather huge n unweildy codebase if you're not precompiling most of it.
[01:42:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> would run slow like molasses
[01:43:59] * geotti hasn't touched perl in years
[01:45:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, it's fallen out of uber popularity but it could run /. on its busiest times, so there's gotta be some serious good to it too.
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[01:50:21] <geotti> how about: http://search.cpan.org and then nginx + starman?
[01:50:21] <ciri> don't ask me!
[01:50:50] <geotti> http://peter.makholm.net
[01:51:18] <geotti> ok, nevermind: "Plack::App::WrapApacheRec is still in it?s infancy. It only mocks as much of Apache2::RequestRec"
[01:52:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> might work. something to look at as a side project though.
[01:52:48] <geotti> found this too: http://search.cpan.org
[01:53:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> nifty
[01:56:06] * geotti is glad that he can currently choose his platforms without thinking about legacy cruft.
[01:56:17] <geotti> didn't find anything else...
[01:57:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, would be nice but man... despite slash being an ugly, convoluted beast... it really can do its shat well, fast, and reliably.
[01:57:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> almost all of our issues to date have been non-slash issues.
[01:57:43] <geotti> like apache and mod_perl? : )
[01:57:47] <geotti> j/k
[01:58:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> knock it if ya like but they built the web
[01:58:09] <geotti> yeah, it did it's job for years and years. no doubt about it
[01:58:36] <geotti> agreed, perl is legendary
[01:59:00] <geotti> or "epic" in nu-speak
[01:59:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> will be significantly better when we get to apache2 and mod_perl2. better still if/when we can get on a lighter weight webserver
[02:00:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> no huge rush though. we'd need a LOT more traffic before that became an issue.
[02:00:11] <geotti> how hard is it to replace single parts of the system and port it to a lighter platform piece by piece?
[02:00:13] <ciri> very carefully and then some
[02:01:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> slashd that is basically a cron daemon can run from any machine without a webserver. most of the rest are way too tied together and abstracted to port in any sane timeframe.
[02:02:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> like it took me a couple weeks to get a hang of not being able to access requests or the db directly
[02:02:34] <geotti> and the comment system is the heaviest part, probably?
[02:02:49] <geotti> sounds like java
[02:02:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> most db intensive, yeah.
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[02:03:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> but our db is essentially under like 1% load and we serve 85-95% of pages from varnish cache
[02:04:10] <geotti> maybe leave just that then and use rewrite rules to route all the rest to another platform?
[02:04:15] <geotti> oh, ok.
[02:04:34] <geotti> what are the problems then?
[02:04:50] * geotti didn't keep up with the development, obviously.
[02:05:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, had one front end server bork up for no particular reason we could find
[02:05:22] <geotti> malicious user ruled out?
[02:05:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> and gluster, which we'd been using to sync filesystems hates us.
[02:05:46] <geotti> gluster is like the google fs?
[02:05:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> not entirely but it's going to get a wipe and reinstall anyway as soon as NC gets the time
[02:06:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably. haven't looked at google fs
[02:06:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'basically dropbox for servers.
[02:07:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's out of the loop now and you can tell by the lack of 503s since it was shut down yesterday
[02:07:36] * geotti dislikes dropbox with furious zealotry.
[02:08:20] <geotti> if you need a spanning fs, did you look at: http://openmirage.org ?
[02:08:22] <monopoly> ^ 03Blog :: Introducing Irmin: Git-like distributed, branchable storage
[02:08:36] <geotti> (it's not based on git) : )
[02:08:38] * TheMightyBuzzard looks
[02:09:32] <geotti> it's not really a file-system, but it's not really a db either
[02:09:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, something like that. we'll likely go with read-only NFS for now though.
[02:09:51] <geotti> oh yeah, that's definitely tried and tested!
[02:10:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> quick n simple too
[02:10:19] <geotti> and you could build a couple of scripts to commit changes across nodes
[02:10:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> no need. webservers write nothing but logs to disk.
[02:11:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> db and slashd are already separated onto other machines
[02:11:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> slashd DOES write to disk though, so it has to live on a read/write node or the host
[02:12:26] <geotti> why did you have gluster in the first place then?
[02:13:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> we previously had the webservers doing more writing than they do now. systematically eliminated that except for the logs though.
[02:13:40] <geotti> good job
[02:14:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> also i think it might have been slightly easier to deploy to the same place you were going to have to restart apache
[02:14:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> not worth it though, imo
[02:15:37] <geotti> https://metacpan.org ; )
[02:16:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh
[02:17:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, time to go round up my cat and start thinking about getting some sleep. been fun.
[02:19:30] <geotti> same here. Good night!
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[03:21:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Experiment to Test for Universe Being a Hologram - http://sylnt.us - computer-end-program
[03:55:56] * JamesNZ gnashes his teeth at QML
[04:02:26] * crutchy has normal internets again yay!
[04:02:38] <crutchy> shaped--
[04:02:39] <Bender> karma - shaped: -4
[04:03:45] <crutchy> ~time chicago
[04:03:47] <exec> Sunday, 31 August 2014 @ 11:03 pm CDT - Chicago, IL
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[06:22:01] <JamesNZ> fedora++
[06:22:01] <Bender> karma - fedora: 5
[06:26:18] * juggs contemplates the flamethrower
[06:33:46] <crutchy> at least it wasn't osx
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[06:38:03] <juggs> no, I was considering it for use on my own systems not JamesNZ choice of Fedora.
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[09:06:56] <crutchy> ~gday prospectacle
[09:06:57] <exec> * crutchy postulates a pair of used panties full of bacon towards prospectacle
[09:07:06] <crutchy> ~gday rand
[09:07:07] <exec> * crutchy hurls a coffee++ mug of toilet water at rand
[09:08:17] <crutchy> hmm wtf is postulates
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[09:09:53] <prospectacle> hello
[09:10:01] <prospectacle> ~g'day crutchy
[09:10:02] <exec> * prospectacle throws a cold can of milo at crutchy
[09:10:51] <rand> ~g'day crutchy
[09:10:51] <exec> * rand postulates an anvil of g'day juice towards crutchy
[09:11:26] <prospectacle> I get it, random verb + random vessel + random contents
[09:11:32] <prospectacle> you could add a random adverb if you wanted
[09:11:36] <prospectacle> maybe it only appears something
[09:11:58] <prospectacle> e.g. "crutchy brazenly slides a gaggle of frozen garbage at prospectacle" or whatever
[09:12:12] <crutchy> just look out for the used franger of splodge :p
[09:12:26] <prospectacle> what's a franger?
[09:12:36] <crutchy> ~define franger
[09:12:38] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3Franger: 1) a controceptive device (condom) 2)insult
[09:12:57] <prospectacle> ah
[09:13:11] <crutchy> adverbs would be cool
[09:14:31] <crutchy> surreptitiously, spontaneously, prematurely
[09:15:29] <prospectacle> lagubriously
[09:15:44] <prospectacle> insubordinately
[09:15:58] <prospectacle> pulchritudinously
[09:16:11] <prospectacle> unjustifiably
[09:19:08] <crutchy> ~g'day prospectacle
[09:19:09] <exec> * crutchy lagubriously cracks open a bathtub of splodge for prospectacle
[09:19:14] <crutchy> :D
[09:19:25] <JamesNZ> That one again :P
[09:19:37] <crutchy> at least its not milo
[09:19:45] * crutchy was about to take that out of the list
[09:19:50] <JamesNZ> Hah, indeed.
[09:20:43] <crutchy> not sure how one would go about cracking open a bathtub of anything tbh
[09:21:17] <crutchy> meh i've heard more nonsensical greetings than that :p
[09:21:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Ebola Blocks Immune System - http://sylnt.us - knockoff-of-iBola
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[09:54:39] <crutchy> this chick should be our mascot: https://www.youtube.com
[09:54:40] <monopoly> ^ 03Ubuntu Linux Themes - YouTube
[09:54:45] <crutchy> bewbs++
[09:54:45] <Bender> karma - bewbs: 13
[09:54:50] <crutchy> linux_bewbs++
[09:54:50] <Bender> karma - linux_bewbs: 1
[10:02:06] <chromas> And changed her internet name to geekbuzz?
[10:06:43] <JamesNZ> tux++
[10:06:43] <Bender> karma - tux: 1
[10:07:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:07:51] <Bender> karma - coffee: 711
[10:16:17] <chromas> archlinux++
[10:16:17] <Bender> karma - archlinux: 43
[10:16:20] <chromas> Whoops
[10:16:41] <chromas> Well now it needs to hit the next magic number
[10:16:58] <JamesNZ> archlinux--
[10:16:58] <Bender> karma - archlinux: 42
[10:17:16] <JamesNZ> Let's define the next magic number as 65536 :D
[10:17:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> 65535. we start at zero
[10:17:58] <JamesNZ> Heh, that'll work.
[10:18:39] * TheMightyBuzzard funnels coffee down his throat
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[10:19:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> need at least 40oz before fishing
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[10:23:55] <prospectacle> !uid
[10:23:55] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4668, owned by ItisBE
[10:24:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> bender's broken
[10:24:18] <prospectacle> any news on the subscription count. I predicted before launch it would exceed 100 within 2 days. Wondering if i was right
[10:24:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're in the 4670s last i checked the db
[10:24:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno, have to ask mrcoolbp
[10:26:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, folks. i'm off to see about them wiley fooshies.
[10:26:37] <prospectacle> what fun things are coming up in the next release TMB?
[10:26:52] <prospectacle> Seems like there's been a lot of progress lately
[10:26:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> bitcoin subs, bunch of small fixes.
[10:27:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> well small as in easy to implement not as in boring.
[10:27:20] <prospectacle> cool. I wonder how many people will sub with bitcoin who wouldn't have before. Seem to be a sizeable minority in the comments of the sub story.
[10:27:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> my guess, 20 or so tops in the first week.
[10:28:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> actually, lot of the stuff that was going to be 14.10 got pushed out in point releases already
[10:29:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> notice the articles show up top when you hit reply now? and subs have a pub date as soon as an editor assigns one on your info page?
[10:32:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> 14.10 is mostly going to be a bunch of low hanging fruit rather than something epic like unicode.
[10:33:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i'm out. victory shall be mine, fishes!
[10:36:43] <prospectacle> sounds good. catch you later TMB, have a good one
[10:37:34] <ar> http://0pointer.net - LennartOS is coming…
[10:39:43] <prospectacle> what's a lennart?
[10:46:10] * chromas gives prospectacle a systemd
[10:49:29] <prospectacle> thanks
[10:57:43] <chromas> I don't think we're in gnu/linux anymore, toto
[11:00:47] <crutchy> !grab chromas
[11:00:47] <Bender> Added quote 237
[11:06:17] <ar> http://arachnist.is-a.cat
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[11:29:13] <chromas> dogfart--
[11:29:13] <Bender> karma - dogfart: -3
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[11:37:35] <Konomi> hi crutchy ;p
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[12:51:10] <Subsentient> $ddg libcurl
[12:51:11] <aqu4> [1]: Title: Wget - GNU Wget is a computer program that retrieves content from web servers, and is part of the GNU Project. Its name is derived from World Wide Web and get. It supports downloading via HTTP, HTTPS, and FTP protocols. | URL: 12https://duckduckgo.com/Wget
[12:51:12] <aqu4> [2]: Title: Web crawler - A Web crawler is an Internet bot that systematically browses the World Wide Web, typically for the purpose of Web indexing. A Web crawler may also be called a Web spider, an ant, an automatic indexer, or a Web scutter. | URL: 12https://duckduckgo.com/Web_crawler
[12:51:12] <aqu4> [3]: Title: curl-loader - an open-source testing tool based on cURL. | URL: 12https://duckduckgo.com/curl-loader
[12:51:13] <aqu4> End of results.
[12:51:15] <Subsentient> Good.
[12:51:35] <Subsentient> $ddg now uses libcurl too. Gutted the obsolescent Net_GetHTTP() for CurlCore_GetHTTP()
[12:52:17] <prospectacle> $ddg curl
[12:52:17] <aqu4> [1]: Title: Curl (mathematics)A vector operator that describes the infinitesimal rotation of a 3-dimensional vector field. | URL: 12https://duckduckgo.com/Curl_(mathematics)
[12:52:18] <aqu4> [2]: Title: Biceps curlThe term biceps curl may refer to any of a number of weight training exercises that target the... | URL: 12https://duckduckgo.com/Biceps_curl
[12:52:19] <aqu4> [3]: Title: Curl (programming language)A reflective object-oriented programming language for interactive web applications whose goal is... | URL: 12https://duckduckgo.com/Curl_(programming_language)
[12:52:20] <aqu4> End of results.
[12:52:36] <Subsentient> $title universe2.us:74/serverstats.cgi
[12:52:37] <aqu4> Title for page universe2.us:74/serverstats.cgi: "Server status and specifications for MercyChild@universe2.us"
[12:52:43] <Subsentient> $title universe2.us/serverstats.cgi
[12:52:44] <aqu4> Title for page universe2.us/serverstats.cgi: "Server status and specifications for WiseMan@universe2.us"
[12:52:50] <Subsentient> $title toastytech.com
[12:52:51] <aqu4> Title for page toastytech.com: "Nathan's Toasty Technology Page"
[12:53:14] <Subsentient> $title toastytech.com:80
[12:53:14] <aqu4> Title for page toastytech.com:80: "Nathan's Toasty Technology Page"
[12:53:26] <Subsentient> $title universe2.us:8825
[12:53:26] <aqu4> Title for page universe2.us:8825: "ERROR: The requested URL could not be retrieved"
[12:53:42] * Subsentient facepalms
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[14:10:21] <Konomi> ;p
[14:10:26] * Konomi steals it and runs off
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[14:29:19] <ar> http://theamountoffucksigive.com - hehe
[14:29:36] <mechanicjay> haha, nice!
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[15:02:04] <geotti> osx++
[15:02:04] <Bender> karma - osx: 0
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[15:03:50] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[15:03:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 712
[15:03:51] <mrcoolbp> preopectacle: just about 60 subs
[15:08:31] <mrcoolbp> coffee++
[15:08:31] <Bender> karma - coffee: 713
[15:09:01] <Blackmoore> sadly i will have to actually leave the house to get coffee
[15:09:19] <Blackmoore> first day off without an agenda in a long time
[15:09:37] <mrcoolbp> those are sacred
[15:11:37] <Blackmoore> an oh s needed.
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[16:49:37] <SirFinkus> george_lucas--
[16:49:37] <Bender> karma - george_lucas: -1
[16:49:40] <SirFinkus> http://i.imgur.com
[16:49:42] <SirFinkus> ffs
[16:54:21] <crutchy> ooh baby. shake that err...
[16:55:24] <SirFinkus> now that lucas isn't doing them anymore, hopefully they'll release un-fucked with blurays at some point
[17:01:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Patent Office Grants Patent On Cure For Cancer - http://sylnt.us - terminally-broken-system
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[17:53:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> victory is mine! cower before me, puny, mortal fishies!
[17:59:46] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: catch anything good?
[18:00:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice eating size flathead
[18:00:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> dressed out to just under a pound of meat
[18:00:30] <mrcoolbp> not bad
[18:00:43] <mrcoolbp> so ~2 pound catch?
[18:01:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> roughly, yeah. just a hair bigger than the last one i caught
[18:02:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> got given a 11" crappie too cause the guy didn't want to clean just one
[18:03:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> so i took em home, cleaned em, and gave em away
[18:04:15] <mrcoolbp> shoulda' cooked 'em up
[18:04:32] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyAngler
[18:04:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't like fish. just enjoy catching em and the socializing while i do.
[18:04:48] <mrcoolbp> hah
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[18:05:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> most messed up thing? i shaved a wee bit of meat off the catfish after i got done filleting it and tried to give all three of my cats and even the neighbor cat some sushi. none of them were interested.
[18:06:12] <mrcoolbp> o_O
[18:06:21] <mrcoolbp> stupid kittehs
[18:06:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, cats in this neighborhood are just defective
[18:06:32] <mrcoolbp> get a refund
[18:07:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> be nice. all three of mine are worth a few grand each just on vet bills.
[18:07:04] <ciri> when you coming back. miss ya already! ;) TheMightyBuzzard
[18:07:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, ciri needs to die
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[20:53:22] <crutchy> coffee++
[20:53:22] <Bender> karma - coffee: 714
[20:54:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[20:54:23] <Bender> karma - coffee: 715
[21:00:06] <crutchy> mornin TheMightyBuzzard
[21:00:18] <arti> the fappening
[21:00:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin
[21:00:38] <crutchy> new gh issue for ya to chew on if you're bored
[21:01:12] <crutchy> just a minor one that i fudged a workaround for anyway in the comment feed
[21:01:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> not me, just woke up from a nap
[21:01:18] <crutchy> ah
[21:01:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> whassat?
[21:01:27] <crutchy> same here :)
[21:02:37] <crutchy> ima double decoding tfa titles from the atom feed cos a &amp; slipped through the cracks somwhere
[21:02:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, noticed that.
[21:03:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> it annoys the crap outa me
[21:03:10] <crutchy> tested np
[21:03:42] <crutchy> not really an issue cos browsers must double decode (quirksmode) i guess
[21:04:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, the feeds are getting it wrong.
[21:05:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> for some reason they're running it through encode_highbits when they shouldn't be.
[21:10:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Linux Vision That Involves btrfs - http://sylnt.us - puttering-about
[21:11:07] * TheMightyBuzzard goes back to napping the afternoon away
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[21:58:25] <chromas> Bender: s/ut/oet/
[21:58:25] <exec> <chromas> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Linux Vision That Involves btrfs - http://sylnt.us - poettering-about
[22:00:57] <crutchy> gtg to workipoos :(
[22:01:02] <crutchy> cyas
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[22:41:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Attempts to Flush Out Old Browsers - with Mixed Results - http://sylnt.us - how-about-you-provide-search-results-and-leave-my-system-choices-alone
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[22:53:09] <Ethanol-fueled> Man, all those celebrity nudes.
[22:53:15] <Ethanol-fueled> Hilarious.
[22:53:28] <Ethanol-fueled> 'Twas a pilfering of extraordinary magnitude.
[22:56:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'weird but famous boobies look the same as unknown boobies to me
[22:57:46] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, I didn't care much for the bodies, however, I loved the fact that celebrities were humiliated.
[22:57:59] <Ethanol-fueled> Petty, for sure.
[23:00:10] <Lagg> I'm getting so depressed because of lennart at this point.
[23:00:20] <Lagg> systemd was so good for a while too. Shit...
[23:00:52] <Ethanol-fueled> what
[23:00:56] <Ethanol-fueled> swhat's wrong, lagg?
[23:01:14] <Lagg> Lennart's recent "Vision involving btrfs"
[23:01:38] <Lagg> It looks like something that someone who was trying to satirize microsoft would write
[23:01:53] <Lagg> Up to and including making assumptions about what admins think is a problem.
[23:03:39] <Lagg> NCommander: I shilled subscriptions. Give sweet sweet referral monies http://soylentnews.org
[23:03:39] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by Lagg (105)
[23:04:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> lennart is gone batshit crazy
[23:05:16] <Lagg> Yeah, will have to amend what I said. He should be ejected as wel.
[23:05:20] <Lagg> *well
[23:05:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean for starters i am NOT using btrfs until that shit is stable
[23:05:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have too much important porn to lose due to fs corruption
[23:06:35] <Lagg> I can never not see btrfs as "butterfuss" because of a friend's nickname for it
[23:06:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's a little moth that looks just like another mouse cursor on my screen
[23:06:51] <Lagg> Must evolve from butterfuss into bitterfist
[23:08:21] <Ethanol-fueled> hahaha
[23:11:32] <Ethanol-fueled> gonna bail and finish up some homework.
[23:11:36] <Ethanol-fueled> Later!
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[23:12:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, ima run off and eat foods
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