#Soylent | Logs for 2014-08-29

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[00:00:30] <paulej72> I dont run perl on my Mac that’s what Linux servers are for :)
[00:06:36] <SpallsHurgenson> most transparent government ever again declines to be transparent http://arstechnica.com
[00:06:55] <SpallsHurgenson> (somebody feed these into soylent so it stops bitching about not enough stories in the queue :)
[00:08:45] <SpallsHurgenson> also, two videos which might be of interest:
[00:08:52] <SpallsHurgenson> 1) Your Brain on Coffee http://videosift.com
[00:09:34] <SpallsHurgenson> Live Streamer gets Swatted while streaming, erm, live https://www.youtube.com :)
[00:09:37] <monopoly> ^ 03The Creatures (Kootra) got SWAT Raided (SWATTED) #FreeKootra2014 - YouTube
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[00:23:30] * TheMightyBuzzard emerges again victorious against the combined hordes of cook, table, and flatware.
[00:25:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i know most people wouldn't proclaim epic victory over doing the dishes. that's what makes me awesome.
[00:31:41] * SpallsHurgenson stands in awe, mouth agape, at this tremendous achievement
[00:32:41] <SpallsHurgenson> would a standing ovation be out of line?
[00:33:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> not entirely. chili was involved.
[00:34:18] <SpallsHurgenson> my gosh; this may even call for some sort of internationally recognized award
[00:34:53] <SpallsHurgenson> (one more article: http://www.chicagomag.com)
[00:34:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm far too humble to accept an award. a statue maybe but an award would be overkill.
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[00:36:27] <SpallsHurgenson> we could replace that rather dowdy lady standing in the NY Harbor, I guess
[00:36:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> just put mine next to hers. she's kinda hot.
[00:39:06] <SpallsHurgenson> she's kinky too; she wears shackles :)
[00:40:53] <Popeidol> she has shackles?
[00:41:03] * Popeidol googles
[00:41:06] <SpallsHurgenson> on her feet, yeah
[00:41:35] <SpallsHurgenson> IIRC, it was sort of a backhanded comment on how the US had /finally/ caught up with the rest of the world and abolished slavery
[00:42:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Electromagnetic Warfare is Here - http://sylnt.us - welcome-to-the-Old-Crows
[00:42:27] <SpallsHurgenson> well, broken shackles anyway
[00:43:02] <Popeidol> well that makes sense
[00:43:17] <Popeidol> you know, you could probably remodel her if you're bored with teh current look
[00:43:28] <SpallsHurgenson> but I still think it's really a comment on French sexual mores :)
[00:44:11] <Popeidol> maybe make her a little less stern
[00:44:16] <Popeidol> a little more flirty
[00:44:40] <SpallsHurgenson> give her a modern tablet :)
[00:44:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> bewb job
[00:45:15] <SpallsHurgenson> and we just MUST do something about that hair!
[00:46:23] <Popeidol> http://en.wikipedia.org
[00:46:24] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Statue of Liberty: The Statue of Liberty (Liberty Enlightening the World; French: La Liberté éclairant le monde) is a colossal neoclassical sculpture on Liberty Island in the middle of New York Harbor, in Manhattan, New York City. The statue, designed by...
[00:46:34] <Popeidol> if that's anything to go by, you might just be able to hotswap entire panels
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[00:48:49] <SpallsHurgenson> shoot, greasemonkey isn't compatible with palemoon :(
[00:49:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> scriptish is
[00:49:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> same scripts work in it
[00:50:19] <SpallsHurgenson> thanks, I'll try that
[00:53:21] <SpallsHurgenson> Slashdot:Soylent::Firefox:Palemoon :)
[00:54:18] <SpallsHurgenson> (do they still do those on tests in school these days?)
[00:58:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> have no idea. <---old
[01:00:16] <SpallsHurgenson> I can tell by all the scars from dinosaur bites on your body
[01:01:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'true but you should've seen the scars on them.
[01:03:08] <SpallsHurgenson> ooh, you should be careful to whom you admit that; dinosaurs are an endangered species
[01:05:57] <chromas> Now you know how they became endangered
[01:06:01] <SpallsHurgenson> hmm, my download-dialogue-GUI-tweak-thingee-addon didn't seem to make the cut to palemoon either :-/
[01:08:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh just force compatibility on it
[01:12:06] <SpallsHurgenson> on the plus side, I can chuck out half of my add-ons which I installed solely to return functionality back to the browser :)
[01:12:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, that IS a wonderful thing there.
[01:13:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> anything that'll work with FF24 lts will work with palemoon and that's most all extensions.
[01:13:44] <SpallsHurgenson> I sort of regret moving away from firefox... mozilla really revitalized not only the browser market but gave a huge boost to open-source software as well
[01:14:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> same code, same motivation, new management.
[01:14:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> on palemoon i mean
[01:16:34] <SpallsHurgenson> no, I get that; still, it's like saying goodbye to a really good friend who - despite your best efforts to help - has gone on a self-destructive course
[01:17:21] * SpallsHurgenson gets overly attached to his software :)
[01:18:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i got no emotions except when things that formerly worked just fine stop. then i mostly have anger.
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[01:20:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, did you close your laptop again?
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[01:22:46] <SpallsHurgenson> backhoe just took out his internet :)
[01:23:56] <Lagg> SpallsHurgenson: Seriously? Well damn there goes my idea to switch to palemoon from chrome
[01:24:06] <Lagg> I need my GM fiddling :|
[01:25:26] <SpallsHurgenson> Lagg: as TheMightyBuzzard suggests, "scriptish" (a greasemonkey fork) works on palemoon
[01:25:29] <Lagg> and honestly mozilla brought it all on themselves and are now focusing on even more stupid rather than gutting XUL and making the engine better as a whole. I got so tired with writing that crap that even with the somewhat worse direction google has been taking chrome as of late it's worth it for just plain old HTML and JS extensions.
[01:25:41] <Lagg> I want upstream GM :(
[01:26:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> i want a beer
[01:26:32] <Lagg> Right now I'm using a layer over chrome's own semi-GM script support. Is called tampermonkey. Pretty good.
[01:26:46] <SpallsHurgenson> on the whole, I must say I am rather impressed how painless the migration was between firefox and palemoon.
[01:27:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, i only use chrome when it's too much trouble to turn off noscript and adblock for the right bits to view a page
[01:27:52] <SpallsHurgenson> although now I have to get used to the address bar/bookmark bar being ABOVE the tabs again :)
[01:28:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know, it's wonderfully in the right place again
[01:28:18] <Lagg> ABP actually got ported to chrome and I found a script blocker that is actually better than noscript believe it or not
[01:28:39] <Lagg> Though I haven't used noscript proper in a long time
[01:29:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i leave chrome extension-free so it doesn't need me to turn things off. then i never browse it it for anything but those sites.
[01:29:43] <Lagg> That's a weird reason to use it, why not just use a profile for firefox
[01:29:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> too lazy to google the launch syntax
[01:30:06] <SpallsHurgenson> lol
[01:30:11] <Lagg> Hrm, I don't actually think there is any per se
[01:30:23] <Lagg> I mean you can pass an opt but I believe there is a way via the menu
[01:30:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> possibly, i always did it from the command line
[01:31:21] <SpallsHurgenson> as you should!
[01:31:57] <Lagg> In most cases unless you have a launch script or $DE shortcut there's really no reason to
[01:32:13] <Lagg> Plus firefox's opts are ugly and many
[01:32:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> must away in search of alcohol now. i'm thinking hard cider tonight.
[01:34:57] * SpallsHurgenson looks for a page with a link to a pdf to see if his usercontent.css mod made the transition
[01:36:38] * SpallsHurgenson realizes he could write a webpage faster :)
[02:00:05] <Subsentient> I finished the webpage for my new ncurses brickbreaker: http://universe2.us
[02:00:06] <monopoly> ^ 03Bricktick: Arkanoid/Brickbreaker for the UNIX console
[02:00:06] <Subsentient> :^D
[02:06:26] * Subsentient pokes crutchy because poke
[02:06:31] <SpallsHurgenson> does it have a "boss switch"?
[02:06:36] <Subsentient> eh?
[02:06:44] <Subsentient> As in straight to the master level?
[02:06:56] <Subsentient> Well no but in the first call of SetLevel() you can set it to 7.
[02:07:04] <SpallsHurgenson> to quickly switch out of the game so the boss doesn't see you playing :)
[02:07:26] <Subsentient> lol yeh esc and y is how you exit
[02:07:47] <SpallsHurgenson> what, and lose the high score?
[02:07:50] <chromas> Pc speaker sound effects
[02:07:56] * SpallsHurgenson demands boss switch functionality :)
[02:09:30] <chromas> Subsentient: The boss key usualyl drops you to a shell or a fake spreadsheet or something but leaves the game running
[02:09:41] <chromas> (paused, of course)
[02:10:01] <Subsentient> lol
[02:12:14] <SpallsHurgenson> it's a productivity tool; otherwise think of all the time I'd waste restarting the game and trying to get back all those points I lost when I had to suddenly quit :)
[02:13:16] <chromas> also could use a unicode variant
[02:13:56] <chromas> ⚽
[02:13:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, don't even think it
[02:13:57] <SpallsHurgenson> (we're just teasing you, subsentient; it looks cool)
[02:14:15] <Subsentient> Yes I know.
[02:14:24] <Subsentient> I'm only slightly pathetic, not full-on, you know. :^)
[02:14:28] * TheMightyBuzzard will not write anyone else's unicode crap
[02:15:11] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: I was just thinking of the characters; there's lots of box drawing stuff and icons in there
[02:15:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh
[02:15:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay then. just so long as i don't have to do anything.
[02:15:56] * chromas 's trying it now
[02:16:12] * SpallsHurgenson saw that video about SWATting; I don't wanna piss off the easily offended :)
[02:17:14] <chromas> oh neat. If I miss the ball, I launch the next one and don't lose the falling charm
[02:17:40] <Subsentient> chromas: Nice huh :^)
[02:18:22] <chromas> multi-ball! Multi-ball! Blerrrrrrrrrrrrrn!
[02:18:38] <Subsentient> There is no multi-ball.
[02:18:45] <Subsentient> That would be insanity
[02:18:52] <Subsentient> This game is played at 80x24 consoles
[02:18:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, speak for yourself. two is multi
[02:19:11] <Subsentient> lol
[02:19:29] <chromas> Ideally they don't go off in different directions
[02:19:55] <Subsentient> I'm thinking of powerups that make paddle longer or allow you to keep blowing through bricks, however.
[02:20:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> explosive ball powerup. blows up a big chunk but you lose the ball.
[02:20:37] <Subsentient> lol
[02:21:09] <chromas> mouse support :D
[02:21:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Firefox OS Phone Available In India For $33 - http://sylnt.us - low-spec-but-very-cheap
[02:21:22] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: The problem is, this is an ncurses game. Such things are not easily done.
[02:22:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> damnit ball. randomizes the placement of the remaining bricks whenever the ball hits one.
[02:22:58] <chromas> hey how about a Brownian motion curse?
[02:23:12] <chromas> evil cham or whatever
[02:23:18] <chromas> charm
[02:23:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> believe i will now have me some sleep. nite folks.
[02:24:07] <chromas> night tmb; sleep++
[02:25:13] <paulej72> ~weather
[02:25:34] <Subsentient> $burrito paulej72
[02:25:34] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at paulej72
[02:25:52] * chromas edits the source to use utf8 chars
[02:25:52] <aqu4> the weather includes a 100% chance of rotten projectile burritos.
[02:26:21] <chromas> aqu4: you don't have diarrhito do you?
[02:27:46] * aqu4 fires burrito diarrhea at chromas
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[02:29:19] <chromas> ◖■◗ would be nifty if they'd connect
[02:29:36] <Subsentient> chromas: lol
[02:29:53] <Subsentient> chromas: you don't know C though, do you?
[02:30:08] <chromas> I know Pascal; it's close enough to find my way around
[02:30:27] <chromas> Plus swapping string literals isn't too complex
[02:30:33] * Subsentient knows C as his only compiled language, he is ashamed to admit, but proud to admit he knows ANSI C better than anyone else here
[02:31:47] <juggs> brave claim
[02:33:08] <Subsentient> juggs: The one advantage of having experience with crippling, debilitating OCD is knowing how to target it at a goal. I studied the ANSI standard so well, had my eyeballs been erasers, it'd be a blank page.
[02:33:19] <chromas> Subsentient: the explosion doesn't have to be fancy. Maybe just draw an orange asterisk in each char around the ball for half a second then clear them all
[02:34:08] <chromas> Subsentient: I hope you targetted with both eyes equally
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[02:43:29] <paulej72> 503s ahead. Redeploy in progress
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[02:55:39] <chromas> Benderella!
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[02:55:48] <paulej72> !uid
[02:55:48] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4668, owned by ItisBE
[02:56:27] <chromas> hooray
[02:56:49] <juggs> good work. Did you just bounce it on its head paulej72 ?
[02:57:24] <paulej72> juggs: you need to edit the lastuid file to give it the correct info then bounce bender
[02:57:50] <paulej72> I also set bender to only do that every 15 minutes instead of each minute
[02:57:54] <chromas> can you just reload that module?
[02:59:23] <paulej72> no it initailalizes off of that bad data. The code is to crappy to fix itself.
[03:00:04] <chromas> I mean instead of restarting Bender after you update the file
[03:00:07] <paulej72> I am not sure the admin commands so I am not sure how to do that.
[03:00:33] * chromas tried to SedBot on facebook; it doesn't work :(
[03:00:50] <paulej72> lol
[03:00:51] <ciri> HEY! don't laugh at me
[03:01:07] <juggs> will take a look - would be unusual for a bot framework not to have a rehash function.
[03:01:28] <paulej72> I keep trying to tab complete all of my words here but it never works
[03:02:01] <juggs> HA! not just me then. More so when I get tired
[03:02:06] <paulej72> juggs: bender’s help files are mia and thus it is bitch to figure out how to use it
[03:02:08] <chromas> s/jsonbot/supybot/
[03:02:47] <paulej72> The stuff I got on the internet archive was old, but I never looked at all of the stuff
[03:03:56] <juggs> paulej72, I'll see what I can hunt down and place them somewhere useful if I come across them.
[03:04:44] <paulej72> we need to put the help files into the bot. I think it tries to pull them from the miising website
[03:06:45] <juggs> oh I see - you'd like them accessible via the bot interface itself?
[03:07:43] <chromas> It does try to link to them
[03:07:48] <chromas> with !help or something
[03:12:38] <juggs> !help
[03:12:38] <Bender> documentation for jsonbot can be found at http://jsonbot.org
[03:12:42] <Bender> see !list for loaded plugins and "!help plugin" for help on the plugin.
[03:13:05] <mrcoolbp> !uid
[03:13:05] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4668, owned by ItisBE
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[03:41:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Junk Food Makes Rats Lose Appetite for Balanced Diet - http://sylnt.us - cruelty-to-rats?
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[03:50:44] <prospectacle> Hello, if any dev staff around I have a question
[03:51:10] <prospectacle> I was thinking about setting up a classics-themed slashcode instance for my GF so she can make a classics community.
[03:51:50] <prospectacle> Given I'm an moderately competent and highly experienced web programmer, but don't know any perl, do you have a rought estimate of how many hours it might take me to get up and running?
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[04:08:35] <prospectacle> Guess there's only one way to find out, anyway...
[04:09:38] * prospectacle downloads slashcode-master.zip from github and braces himself for a learning curve
[04:14:06] <juggs> prospectacle, you probably want to touch base with TheMightyBuzzard or paulej72 when sentient on getting the environment up. From what I understand it is not straight forward at all and has reliances on unsupported versions of apache and other gotchas. Good luck!
[04:17:40] <paulej72> prospectacle: NCommander would be best to talk about setting it up from sratch. one thing the zip files are way out of date. need to update that soonish.
[04:17:54] <prospectacle> thanks juggs, paulej72
[04:18:01] <prospectacle> so I should use git to get the real versions of code?
[04:18:30] <prospectacle> I'll make a vm so I can mess with weird versions of apache, etc
[04:18:46] <paulej72> you might want to look at the dev vm to get a feel on how to use slash
[04:22:06] <prospectacle> where is that?
[04:22:50] <paulej72> on github
[04:23:20] <juggs> prospectacle, http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[04:23:20] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Development: TeamPages - parent, SystemAdministration
[04:23:25] <paulej72> the instructions are on the wiki but a little out os date
[04:23:43] <juggs> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[04:23:43] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03DevelopmentVMHowto: Development - parent
[04:24:08] <juggs> the cpoy/pasta is strong this night
[04:24:23] <juggs> as are the typos it seems
[04:24:27] <prospectacle> cool thanks
[04:24:51] <paulej72> i am on my ipad an it sucks to type on it
[04:25:46] <juggs> paulej72, I was referring to my typos - I don't think you made any or I read through them with out noticing :D
[04:31:53] * Subsentient covers his head in peanut butter and honey mustard, puts his head in a gluten free waffle bun, and runs it in the dishwasher to the tune of the hamsterdance song
[04:32:01] <prospectacle> lol just googled if there are any other good classics forum and the first result set of my virus detector
[04:32:56] <prospectacle> subsentient, did it work?
[04:35:50] <Subsentient> prospectacle: no, still got OCD.
[04:36:03] * Subsentient gets out the nipple clamps and alligators
[04:36:43] <juggs> Subsentient, I think you left the back door unlocked :P :D
[04:37:16] * Subsentient summons the gerbils on juggs
[04:37:27] <Subsentient> I don't have a back door.
[04:41:05] <juggs> prospectacle, mebbe something like SMF http://www.simplemachines.org might be suitable if you just want forum functionality rather than full on news / articles / etc. type stuff. Been a good few years since I used it but at the time I found it a damn sight simpler to get to grips with when compared with some of the alternatives. Just a thought - depends what functionality you want to offer and how much time you want to burn. Still - if it's for th
[04:41:05] <juggs> e S.O. then time burnt maybe tradeable for brownie points so the equations will no doubt be different :D
[04:41:06] <monopoly> ^ 03Simple Machines Forum - Free & open source community software
[04:43:23] <prospectacle> juggls, lol yeah. I'll check out simplemachines and see what it's got. I do like the SN feature set, and if I learn its secrets then maybe I can help out here in the future.
[04:46:57] <juggs> prospectacle, yeppers - that would no doubt be appreciated :D I did once over hear a discussion about pentagrams and goat's blood in relation to /code so bring your garlic and holy water to the fray! :D
[04:47:18] <juggs> Subsentient, lol - do you have any doors?
[04:47:59] <Subsentient> juggs: No, just a portal to the parallel universe I call home.
[04:48:20] <Subsentient> here come the "you left the portal open" jokes.
[04:49:03] <prospectacle> oh crap, now you've got me thinking I think I left *my* portal open. bbl....
[04:49:39] <juggs> nah - just check you closed it three times before going to bed - it'll be fine.
[04:51:01] <Subsentient> juggs: The irony is that I don't have too many of the classic OCD obsessions. I got the ones where my worst fears become the obsession, you know, horrifying stuff that makes you petrified? It's drilled into me and tries to to convince me it's true
[04:51:24] <Subsentient> It cherry-picks the worst stuff it can find and torments me with that.
[04:52:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Twitter Gives Analytics Access to Everyone - http://sylnt.us - watching-you-wherever-you-go
[04:58:29] <prospectacle> subsentient, i might be way off base here, but there's only limited room in your mind (or anyone's mind) at any give time, so if it's been filled up deliberately with some interesting subject, then this necessarily minimises the influence of everything else that might try to worm its way in.
[04:59:18] <Subsentient> prospectacle: Nice thought, but this OCD gets so strong it locks on so hard, nothing else can be there.
[04:59:41] <Subsentient> First thing you think when you wake up and last thing before bed is the terror from your worst fears
[04:59:59] <Subsentient> which it tries to convince you, through dislogic, are correct, every day, no matter what they are.
[05:00:26] <Subsentient> It hits a lot of teens so they get 'HOCD' fear of being gay, middle aged guys get 'POCD' which doesn't need explanation, there's Harm OCD
[05:00:38] <Subsentient> and lots of others
[05:00:55] <Subsentient> I was stuck on harm OCD forever
[05:01:08] <Subsentient> fear of being a monster etc
[05:01:15] <juggs> Subsentient, it's interesting, you almost anthropomorphise the condition in that description earlier - it cherry picks things and torments you with them - almost as if it is something outwith yourself - another being assailing you.
[05:01:39] <Subsentient> juggs: Trust me, some days I wonder. Like it has its own intelligence.
[05:02:25] <prospectacle> that's an interesting way to characterise it.
[05:02:59] <prospectacle> Does it pull tricks when you try to squeeze it out, e.g. by reading a book or something else that requires most of your attention.
[05:03:10] <Subsentient> Yes.
[05:03:35] <Subsentient> You are usually to petrified and your heart going so fast that you can't think about anything else
[05:03:49] <Subsentient> I have gray hairs and I'm 19.
[05:04:02] <Subsentient> More every day
[05:04:12] <prospectacle> It's like you're the president of your mind
[05:04:25] <Subsentient> And congress is throwing shit at each other
[05:04:32] <prospectacle> An important and powerful job, envied by many, but turns you gray
[05:04:32] <Subsentient> literally
[05:04:48] <Konomi> they've been throwing shit at each other for years
[05:05:12] <Subsentient> Pretty soon I won't be the cyan rat as much as they gray rat
[05:05:33] <prospectacle> I suppose your armed forces are you arms, which you can use to make software to further your foreign policy
[05:05:40] <Subsentient> 'Sanity is for the unimaginative' will no longer seem like a funny quote as much as it will be offensive to me
[05:06:06] <prospectacle> your fingers are the little soldiers
[05:06:18] <Subsentient> I'd cut two of them off to get rid of this.
[05:06:41] <prospectacle> epoch is like a military base that other nations have allowed you to set up on their soil
[05:06:58] <Subsentient> And I am commander of the undead gerbil horde.
[05:07:09] <prospectacle> lol
[05:07:10] <ciri> HEY! don't laugh at me
[05:07:15] <prospectacle> ciri--
[05:07:15] <Bender> karma - ciri: 6
[05:07:20] <prospectacle> context, ciri
[05:07:24] <Subsentient> --ciri
[05:07:26] <Subsentient> ciri--
[05:07:26] <Bender> karma - ciri: 5
[05:07:33] <Subsentient> postfix increment nazis
[05:08:15] <juggs> Subsentient, philosophically though - perhaps going to war with it is tantamount with going to war with yourself. That's some pretty bad odds - a war of attrition where the two sides are both you - which ever way it goes you lose. Fuck - that's a nasty thought :(
[05:09:08] <prospectacle> juggs, maybe you win either way. since you're always the victor
[05:09:30] <Subsentient> People go for decades with this shit.
[05:09:35] <Subsentient> How they survive sanely I have no idea.
[05:10:00] <Subsentient> I feel like I've been ten tours in Mordor. Fuck Vietnam. Mordor.
[05:10:10] <prospectacle> well come here whenever you need a distraction subsentient, I guess it won't always be full of people, and won't always work, but might take the edge off
[05:10:56] <prospectacle> crap I've created an infinite loop in my php. better restart the server...
[05:11:00] <Subsentient> prospectacle: Thanks.
[05:11:02] <juggs> prospectacle, but the opponent you slayed? How are they? That was you too - this is veering into schizophrenia though I suspect.
[05:11:11] <Subsentient> Infinite loop... the only way to end it is to kill the process.
[05:11:13] * Subsentient gets all sad
[05:11:37] <prospectacle> subsentient, don't worry brains are like code. They've got loop exit commands all over the place
[05:11:47] <swiss> there's a lot of crazy going on in here right now, isn't therE?
[05:11:48] <Subsentient> My CPU has heat damage.
[05:11:51] * juggs removes SIGTERM priveleges from Subsentient
[05:12:04] <prospectacle> subsentient, i mean "aren't like code"
[05:12:24] <prospectacle> damn typos, I really need to play my own typing game more often as I'm always hitting the wrong buttons
[05:12:26] <swiss> juggs: sr20det runnin strong~ though I might have a boost leak :(
[05:12:54] <Subsentient> I hope everyone who I live for fucking appreciates me. I'd be gone two years ago if I wasn't wanted.
[05:13:32] <swiss> don't stay alive because you think you're needed. Stay alive because living is fun, or will be fun someday
[05:13:40] <prospectacle> Subsentient, I don't even know you and I appreciate you. You're always making valuable public domain software. That's under-rated and noble in my book
[05:13:41] <Subsentient> swiss: Life is not fun.
[05:13:45] <swiss> Subsentient: right now
[05:13:54] <Subsentient> swiss: It hasn't been fun in years and it's getting worse
[05:14:10] <prospectacle> subsentient, when there appears to be no room for other thoughts in your mind, have you ever tried writing a deliberately unrelated stream of ideas, without stopping to think too hard about them?
[05:14:25] <swiss> as my 7th grade teacher said "Anyone who suicides because they feel their parents are 'suppressing their freedom' is a little bitch. Because once you turn 18, you have your own fuckin choices in life."
[05:14:32] <prospectacle> I ask because when I'm trying to plan something at work and I don't really want to think abotu work, I can concentrate much better if I write it down instead of just think about it.
[05:14:37] <Subsentient> prospectacle: It gives me comfort that you don't understand. It means the world has been good to you.
[05:14:45] <prospectacle> I realise it's not the same thing but maybe there's a valuable principle in there somewhere.
[05:15:05] <swiss> i had a shitty childhood, but I don't think I could be happy now if I didn't have that shitty childhood
[05:15:10] <prospectacle> subsentient, you're right I don't understand I
[05:15:20] <swiss> so I'm glad I had it. Shitty times just let you enjoy the good times.
[05:15:31] <juggs> swiss, if it's also on the vac side - I find propane is the fastest way to find it - let it idle and blip about the hoses with the lighter gas can until the idle rises - then you know you're in the right area. That or pressure test with smoke. Pain in the ass these things with the amount of tubing running all over.
[05:15:37] <prospectacle> I'll stop trying to fix everything I'm meant to be working anyway.
[05:15:49] <prospectacle> Hope you kept some of those waffles for eating, they sound tasty
[05:15:50] <Subsentient> prospectacle: if you never do anything else for me, understand I probably shouldn't have talked about this here, and understand and believe me, you don't want even the smallest glimpse of this.
[05:16:03] <prospectacle> also honey mustard.
[05:16:13] <swiss> juggs: i think the crusty old stock BOV is leaking, so i'm going to weld it shut and just install another BOV
[05:16:27] <swiss> pretty easy solution
[05:16:28] <Subsentient> After this you'd go to some hell for a Margarita and a sun tan.
[05:17:59] <prospectacle> I wonder why heaven/hell/earth hasn't featured more in computer games. Was watching "good game" on tv last night and there are some cool worlds that games are set in
[05:18:52] <Subsentient> eh, I dunno. I wish there were more decent space shows.
[05:18:55] <prospectacle> Seems like some mechanic where you go between a crazy fire world, a normal world, and a crazy cloud world would be interesting
[05:18:59] <Subsentient> It's all drama and vampires and zombies and shit now.
[05:19:07] <prospectacle> subsentient, yeah me too, did you see guardians of galaxy?
[05:19:45] <Subsentient> No. I wait for it to come to my favorite theatre. They're far cheaper, but the picture is better and the popcorn is amazing although it always gives me a headache and I have no idea why.
[05:20:23] <swiss> salt?
[05:20:25] <swiss> dehydration?
[05:20:32] <Subsentient> No idea.
[05:20:46] <Subsentient> It doesn't bother anyone else.
[05:20:47] <Subsentient> Just me lol
[05:20:48] <swiss> try downing an extra bottle of water while you eat it
[05:21:06] <Subsentient> perhaps I am a human popcorn-quality-detector
[05:21:12] <prospectacle> I think I'm allergic to that coloured candy popcorn. But I like it so I eat it.
[05:21:30] <Subsentient> Same thing with avocados.
[05:21:36] <Subsentient> They make my mouth burn. A lot.
[05:21:39] <Subsentient> I love them.
[05:21:45] <swiss> that's werd
[05:21:45] <prospectacle> anyway I liked guardians of the galaxy. A proper space movie, in that it had lots of different worlds and races and institutions and space ships and action
[05:21:46] <swiss> weird
[05:21:49] <pbnjoe> hey hey, we just got a mention on GOG
[05:22:02] <pbnjoe> in the comments of a front page news thing at least
[05:22:03] <prospectacle> hey subsentient do you want a subscription to SN?
[05:22:14] <Subsentient> as in the email notifications?
[05:22:16] <Subsentient> Already get tgem
[05:22:38] <Subsentient> prospectacle: that what you meant?
[05:22:50] <mrcoolbp> pbnjoe: GOG?
[05:23:01] * Subsentient pukes some gog on mrcoolbp
[05:23:06] <mrcoolbp> eeeew
[05:23:09] <chromas> prospectacle: you could use pipecode :D
[05:23:11] <prospectacle> subsentient, no as in a shiny star. Did you see the story yesterday
[05:23:19] <Subsentient> No.
[05:23:20] <pbnjoe> GOG.com, formerly known as Good Old Games
[05:23:32] <Subsentient> What story?
[05:23:34] <prospectacle> http://soylentnews.org
[05:23:35] <monopoly> ^ 04SN article 03 Subscriptions Live on SoylentNews; Please Support Us 04(60 comments):
[05:24:28] <pbnjoe> mrcoolbp, my previous message and http://www.gog.com
[05:25:07] <juggs> swiss - have a Forge DV on mine - seems to hold up ok - need to spec the right spring for your application though. I think I've still got the stock gtir RV in a box somewhere if you want it.
[05:25:18] <pbnjoe> just down near the bottom, but hey, lotsa people on that site, and the news it's posted on is a biggun
[05:25:21] <swiss> I'm going to get a HKS SSQV
[05:25:28] <mrcoolbp> pbnjoe: looks like we are totally in context, cool
[05:25:31] <swiss> which is total overkill, but will work pretty nice
[05:25:44] <pbnjoe> yeah mrcoolbp, it's not spammy looking
[05:25:49] <mrcoolbp> nicew
[05:26:13] <prospectacle> chromas, that's true, looks pretty decent
[05:26:16] * pbnjoe hates the new GOG UI
[05:26:30] <pbnjoe> but considering I'm on here it's probably evident I don't like big UI changes :p
[05:26:44] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle this is priceless from the Subscription article "Barrabas is probably rolling in his grave after seeing this announcement."
[05:26:59] <mrcoolbp> poor Barrabaras, we hardly know you
[05:27:03] <mrcoolbp> knew
[05:27:04] <mrcoolbp> meh
[05:27:23] <prospectacle> lol, hopefully he'll come back one day
[05:27:39] <juggs> I doubt he cares - didn't he go off to do something else?
[05:27:59] <prospectacle> having read the showdown in question he probably wouldn't have got to this point but isn't a bad guy
[05:29:49] <juggs> we need a historian on staff to journal these things with a quill on vellum - lest it be forgot. (forgetting of course that the victors always write the history :D )
[05:34:40] <Subsentient> $admin add prospectacle!*@v36-485-00-02.mit688.act.optusnet.com.au
[05:34:40] <aqu4> Admin add successful.
[05:34:50] <Subsentient> prospectacle: $whoami
[05:34:54] <prospectacle> sweet
[05:34:56] <prospectacle> $whoami
[05:34:56] <aqu4> You are prospectacle!3a6b484f@v36-485-00-02.mit688.act.optusnet.com.au, and you are an admin.
[05:35:07] <prospectacle> watch out world
[05:35:13] <Subsentient> $commands
[05:35:13] <aqu4> Commands with 1 star = admins only, 2 stars = owners only. Commands available:
[05:35:14] <aqu4> burrito, beer, wz, guessinggame, sr, time, title, ddg, seen, tell, sticky, whoami, tail8*, msg8*, memsg8*, noticemsg8*, chanctl8*, join8*, part8*, listchannels8*, nickchange4**, admin4**, blacklist8*, netwrite4**, quit4**, restart4**, help, commands
[05:37:55] <juggs> Subsentient, any chance you could make aqu4's responses be notice or privmsg ? :D
[05:39:30] <Subsentient> juggs: many things are.
[05:39:50] <prospectacle> juggs, I agree we should kickstart an official, leatherbound history of soylent news, with new volumes added every year
[05:40:06] <prospectacle> we can hire the best historians from the top universities
[05:40:32] <prospectacle> should only cost 10 or 20 million to set up the endowment to pay for it for the rest of time.
[05:41:53] <pbnjoe> sure, let's kickstart that, but then tell people it's for potato salad or something very niche that people in that niche get passionate about
[05:42:02] <pbnjoe> boom, $10million
[05:42:17] <prospectacle> soylent salad
[05:42:28] <pbnjoe> delicious
[05:42:35] <prospectacle> it won't be a lie as that will be the title of the series
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[05:42:45] <prospectacle> if people misinterpret it well that's their fault
[05:43:50] <pbnjoe> we'll have a stretch goal of audiovolumes, voiced by Patrick Stewart or something
[05:43:56] <prospectacle> now you're talking
[05:44:15] <pbnjoe> and another goal of hooking him up to a machine and having every volume be made into audio
[05:44:21] <pbnjoe> since obv this will go for centuries
[05:44:34] <pbnjoe> to a machine to make him immortal*
[05:45:42] <prospectacle> I think an immortal patrick stewart should be our first project, now that you bring it up
[05:46:40] <pbnjoe> I agree
[05:47:24] <pbnjoe> can you put the text "the GDP of a small country for a decade" into the project's money goal field?
[05:48:45] * pbnjoe pictures Patrick "Demigod" Stewart seated in a library of Soylent Salad
[05:50:53] <pbnjoe> ... may've gotten a bit out of hand
[05:51:54] <juggs> depends - were you seated in there with him?
[05:53:44] <pbnjoe> that's another stretch goal
[05:56:46] <prospectacle> for each multiple of the original goals money we can add another cast member, and they can do voice acting when irc and comment snippets are included in the audio books
[06:03:03] <mrcoolbp> pnbjoe: worked that one time but....
[06:04:03] <mrcoolbp> g'night soycakes
[06:04:14] * mrcoolbp goes asleepin'
[06:04:25] <prospectacle> later mrcoolbp
[06:04:33] <mrcoolbp> laterzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[06:11:13] * juggs flickers and fades - damn andromeda messing up my comms link again.
[06:31:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - California DMV Says Google Cars Still Need Steering Wheels - http://sylnt.us - see,-no-hands
[06:37:20] <SirFinkus> so theres a man and a woman sitting in my front yard in cuffs
[06:37:29] <SirFinkus> looks like the cop is searching their car
[06:37:34] <SirFinkus> that doesn't happen every day
[06:44:40] <chromas> cops--
[06:44:40] <Bender> karma - cops: -1
[06:45:19] <swiss> SirFinkus: be glad they didn't crash into your lawn
[06:45:24] <swiss> my bet is drunk driving
[06:45:30] <swiss> cops++
[06:45:30] <Bender> karma - cops: 0
[06:45:46] <swiss> cops keep so many idiots off the road out here
[06:45:58] <SirFinkus> naw, they aren't walking them or anything
[06:46:03] <SirFinkus> extensive searching going on
[06:46:24] <swiss> he prob already failed the breathalyzer
[06:46:55] <swiss> either that or he was clearliy under the influence and car smelled like drugs
[06:47:35] <SirFinkus> the cops just keep going back and forth to the car
[06:47:51] <swiss> "hey man, does this look like pot? nah"
[06:47:58] <chromas> they're stuck in a loop
[06:48:03] <SirFinkus> pots legal here
[06:48:13] <SirFinkus> I actually just bought some at the store today lol
[06:48:14] <swiss> fine
[06:48:21] <swiss> "hey man, does this look like meth? nope"
[06:48:41] <SirFinkus> they have field tests for htat
[06:48:59] <SirFinkus> haven't you ever watched cops?
[06:49:09] <swiss> nope
[06:49:21] <swiss> i never really had cable
[06:49:46] <chromas> it's a Fox show
[06:50:15] <SirFinkus> it's been on for like 100 years, surely everyone's seen at least one episode
[06:50:18] <chromas> but oddly enough it didn't get canceled right away
[06:50:31] <SirFinkus> it gets run late night on dozens of channels
[06:50:43] <SirFinkus> eps are cheap I guess
[06:51:00] <chromas> I just read a camera guy for that got shot recently
[06:51:32] <SirFinkus> that's gotta be the toughest camera job in the world
[06:51:37] <chromas> oh audio guy
[06:51:45] <chromas> http://www.cnn.com
[06:51:53] <swiss> never seen a single episode
[06:52:05] <SirFinkus> surprising
[06:52:16] <chromas> it's also been parodied on other shows
[06:52:35] <arti> simpsons ya?
[06:53:07] <chromas> Simpsons, Married…With Children, Futurama, Family Guy. A lot of cartoons I guess
[06:53:56] <swiss> i don't really watch tv at all
[06:54:10] <chromas> "I don't even own a TV" :D
[06:54:12] <swiss> we moved when i was 6 and didn't get cable in the new house
[06:54:27] <swiss> nah, i own a tv, but we rented videos from the library and such
[06:54:54] <SirFinkus> oh bingo, they found something
[06:55:09] <chromas> SirFinkus: s/found/'\1'/
[06:55:27] <swiss> http://shityoucanafford.com someone linked me this today
[06:55:28] <monopoly> ^ 03ShitYouCanAfford.com :: Best Products On Amazon under $20 | ShitYouCanAfford is where you'll find the best, coolest, ...
[06:55:35] <swiss> so hard to resist buying
[06:56:45] <chromas> it's too bad that mini wireless keyboard isn't bluetooth
[06:57:06] <SirFinkus> syringes, and a bag of something
[06:57:15] <SirFinkus> hard to tell
[06:57:34] <chromas> We turned off the cable for a few years. Then when I saw it it was terrible. The audio pitch kept changing, lots of artifacts and more compression than the DVDs we were used to
[06:57:47] <chromas> charter--
[06:57:47] <Bender> karma - charter: -2
[06:57:55] <swiss> i'd go watch cable at a friends house
[06:58:01] <swiss> and be like "how can you stand these ads?"
[06:58:06] <SirFinkus> I haven't watched tv in a while actually
[06:58:10] <chromas> ads too
[06:58:11] <SirFinkus> the ads are atrocious
[06:58:31] <swiss> also, just the fact that you couldn't pause it and do something else for 10 mins
[06:58:52] <swiss> or when someone came in and talked to you
[06:59:13] <swiss> idk, after switching away, going back didn't interest me
[06:59:25] <swiss> i'm off to bed though, gotta move an office tomorow
[06:59:32] <SirFinkus> oh, fun
[07:01:07] <chromas> Glow in the dark toilet strip
[07:01:46] <chromas> Someone needs to invent a system where a fan gently sucks air through the holes in the toilet and vents it outside to keep the stink away
[07:02:26] <SirFinkus> Japanese probably have
[07:02:43] <chromas> I guess you'd still want the room fan for cover noise
[07:03:36] <SirFinkus> watching Jurassic park, painfully stupid characters
[07:03:38] <chromas> http://www.amazon.com
[07:03:59] <chromas> ^ solution to google glass
[07:04:01] <SirFinkus> "oh, a baby t-rex, lets fix its leg"
[07:04:44] <chromas> and sharpen its teeth while we're at it
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[07:05:28] <chromas> "All right fellas, how many times have you brought a lady back to your room only to have her run out screaming in fear? If you’re like me, this scenario is all too familiar. That’s why you need the rainbow light projector. Having a rainbow in your room lets your lady friend know that she can feel safe and comfortable with you. "
[07:08:18] <SirFinkus> here comes mommy lol
[07:08:27] <SirFinkus> she looks pissed
[07:08:38] <chromas> dinosaur or out front?
[07:09:25] <SirFinkus> out front
[07:10:07] <SirFinkus> girl got arrested, looks like guy got turned loose to mommy
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[07:11:13] <chromas> ~sed on
[07:11:14] <exec> sed enabled for 10#Soylent
[07:11:16] <crutchy> windows_updates--
[07:11:16] <Bender> karma - windows_updates: -1
[07:11:34] <SirFinkus> windows_in_general--
[07:11:34] <Bender> karma - windows_in_general: -1
[07:11:35] <chromas> fritos++ been years since I had some
[07:11:35] <Bender> karma - fritos: 1
[07:11:53] <crutchy> windows_as_a_vm_host--
[07:11:53] <Bender> karma - windows_as_a_vm_host: -1
[07:12:17] <chromas> crutchy: switch it around. Make Windows the subordinate
[07:12:46] <crutchy> might do eventually (already done with my old lappy)
[07:12:59] <chromas> linux++
[07:12:59] <Bender> karma - linux: 5
[07:13:21] <crutchy> had a go at setting up a git http server today
[07:13:35] <crutchy> at work
[07:13:35] <chromas> for work?
[07:13:54] <chromas> Did you impress the boss?
[07:14:10] <crutchy> was a bit confusement cos there's a 'hypervisor' and two VMs that all look similar
[07:14:11] <JamesNZ> My new favourite song: https://www.youtube.com
[07:14:12] <monopoly> ^ 03&"Weird Al" Yankovic - Stop Forwarding That Crap To Me - YouTube
[07:14:21] <crutchy> boss had nfi what i was doing
[07:14:32] <chromas> That's exactly how you want it
[07:14:54] <chromas> Well, you want them to know what you're doing is good
[07:14:55] <crutchy> he just cares that the app works
[07:15:21] <crutchy> got a few comments from colleagues who reckoned it looked like i was programming something
[07:16:03] <chromas> and they said
[07:16:05] <chromas> crutchy++
[07:16:05] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 97
[07:16:10] <chromas> getting high
[07:16:52] <crutchy> i was able to push a git repo from a different VM to the server but didn't quite get the website working properly. showed the git page but said something like 404 no projects found
[07:17:06] <crutchy> might be a glitch in the vhost conf or something
[07:17:14] <arti> did you show off your leet codez skills
[07:18:04] <crutchy> mostly i'm treated with a mild neglect when it comes to coding. not really a bad thing i guess
[07:18:46] <crutchy> as long as it works, everyone is happy
[07:19:32] <crutchy> git should help me a little when it doesn't work though
[07:20:03] <crutchy> did sedbot200000 die again?
[07:20:36] <chromas> can't get the awk script to run it on muh 'server' box
[07:21:12] <crutchy> i had trouble too. gotta make sure you're running a fairly newish version of awk/gawk/squark/pork
[07:23:55] <crutchy> box++
[07:23:55] <Bender> karma - box: 3
[07:24:36] <crutchy> how can box karma be so low?
[07:24:36] <ciri> doing good, and you?
[07:25:37] <crutchy> ciri, praise jebus
[07:27:01] <crutchy> so how many staff/bored meetings did i miss?
[07:28:22] <crutchy> !karma-add crutchy>box
[07:31:19] <crutchy> ~weather
[07:31:27] <exec> weather for 10Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 2014-08-29 05:00:00 (UTC) ~ 150 mins ago: temp: 1017.2°C (63°F), dp: 1010.8°C (51.4°F), press: 101027 mb (-0.5 mb/60 mins), humid: 1066%, wind: 104.8 km/h (3 mph) @ 10230°
[07:31:39] <crutchy> crap
[07:31:43] <crutchy> ~time
[07:31:47] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Friday, 29 August 2014, 7:31 am
[07:31:51] <crutchy> crap
[07:32:10] <crutchy> 2014-08-29 18:31:45 > *** TIME: delim1 not found
[07:32:18] <crutchy> fucking google
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[08:02:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - RedHat CTO Brian Stevens Steps Down - http://sylnt.us - a-tip-of-the-fedora
[08:12:25] <ar> he was replaced by systemd-ctod
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[08:19:33] <mtrycz> hi all
[08:19:40] <mtrycz> how are things?
[08:19:41] <ciri> not sure
[08:20:08] <mtrycz> oh
[08:20:16] <crutchy> g'day mtrycz
[08:20:20] <mtrycz> hello :)
[08:20:26] <crutchy> < is not a bot
[08:20:35] <mtrycz> aren't you?
[08:20:41] <crutchy> i promise :p
[08:21:01] <mtrycz> I believe you ;)
[08:21:21] <mtrycz> Anybody here can deliver a link for the mods for me? pretty please?
[08:21:23] * monopoly is also not a bot
[08:22:07] <crutchy> ^ just needs to take a memory dump occasionally :D
[08:22:19] <crutchy> mods?
[08:22:36] <crutchy> mods for what exakery?
[08:23:22] <mtrycz> mods, admins, curators
[08:23:22] * ar 's a bot
[08:23:27] <mtrycz> anything like that
[08:24:12] <ar> coffee--
[08:24:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 701
[08:24:14] <ar> coffee--
[08:24:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 700
[08:24:18] <ar> tea++
[08:24:19] <Bender> karma - tea: 34
[08:24:20] <ar> tea++
[08:24:20] <Bender> karma - tea: 35
[08:24:42] <mtrycz> I made a comment here http://soylentnews.org , but I was afraid it would go unseen, so I wanted to deliver it directly to them
[08:24:42] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by mtrycz (60)
[08:24:46] <mtrycz> thanks in advance
[08:24:50] <chromas> Sounds like robotic activity to me...GET 'IM!
[08:25:01] <mtrycz> c++
[08:25:01] <Bender> karma - c: 27
[08:25:05] <mtrycz> only 27?
[08:25:12] <mtrycz> java--
[08:25:12] <Bender> karma - java: -4
[08:25:19] <chromas> c-- should be negative
[08:25:19] <Bender> karma - c: 26
[08:27:29] <crutchy> mtrycz, you could try emailing: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[08:27:29] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03WhosWho: In the interest of getting questions to the right people on via email or IRC, this is a summary of who is involved in SoylentNews. If you'd like to work with a team directly, try the TeamPages. Please add yourself to your team's page if ...
[08:28:02] <chromas> monopoly: s/add //
[08:28:03] <exec> <chromas> <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03WhosWho: In the interest of getting questions to the right people on via email or IRC, this is a summary of who is involved in SoylentNews. If you'd like to work with a team directly, try the TeamPages. Please yourself to your team's page if ...
[08:28:15] <crutchy> :D
[08:28:20] <crutchy> i do
[08:28:32] <monopoly> :D
[08:28:43] <crutchy> <exec> i now pronounce you hand and cock
[08:28:55] <monopoly> exec++
[08:28:55] <Bender> karma - exec: 13
[08:29:04] <chromas> !grab crutchy
[08:29:04] <Bender> Added quote 234
[08:30:07] <mtrycz> Is there anybody here that isn't a bot?
[08:30:14] <mtrycz> Except me, obviously
[08:30:54] <chromas> How does anybody here that isn't a bot make you feel, mtrycz?
[08:30:54] <ciri> very carefully and then some
[08:32:01] <crutchy> we're all bots here. join the pile :D
[08:33:00] <mtrycz> Fells like entering Tron
[08:33:01] <mtrycz> :s
[08:34:47] <crutchy> i'm the crazy dude that shoots bullets out of his walking stick
[08:35:02] <crutchy> i just can't remember my own name atm
[08:37:12] <mtrycz> I'll be out for now
[08:37:15] <mtrycz> See you!
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[08:42:11] <crutchy> ~g'day rand
[08:42:12] <exec> * crutchy blows an assfull of milo at rand
[08:42:16] <crutchy> oh my
[08:42:44] <rand> good morning, crutchy
[08:42:54] <rand> coffee++
[08:42:54] <Bender> karma - coffee: 701
[08:42:59] <crutchy> coffee+
[08:43:02] <crutchy> oops
[08:43:04] <crutchy> coffee++
[08:43:04] <Bender> karma - coffee: 702
[08:59:54] <JamesNZ> ~gday crutchy
[08:59:55] <exec> * JamesNZ passes a blagoblag of skittles to crutchy
[09:01:38] <crutchy> ~gday JamesNZ
[09:01:39] <exec> * crutchy hurls a wad of splodge at JamesNZ
[09:01:53] <JamesNZ> ~define splodge
[09:01:56] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3Splodge: The word used to describe sticky substances or fluids ejaculated from the human body i.e. sperm
[09:02:04] <crutchy> oh my
[09:02:05] <JamesNZ> Ewww O_o
[09:02:18] * JamesNZ hurls it back at crutchy
[09:03:27] * crutchy can imagine the boss using a greeting like that :p
[09:04:14] <JamesNZ> XD
[09:04:39] <crutchy> i think there's something about anvils in there
[09:41:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Wi-Fi Dead Zones Mapped With a Physics Equation - http://sylnt.us - never-where-you-want-it
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[10:24:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:24:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 703
[10:25:06] <chromas> early
[10:25:16] <chromas> s/y/ier/
[10:25:16] <exec> <chromas> earlier
[10:25:18] <chromas> I think
[10:25:26] <chromas> Is it a fishing day?
[10:27:16] <ar> coffee--
[10:27:16] <Bender> karma - coffee: 702
[10:27:17] <ar> coffee--
[10:27:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 701
[10:27:18] <ar> coffee--
[10:27:18] <Bender> karma - coffee: 700
[10:28:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, good start on coding up a gocoin api interface
[10:30:03] <chromas> systemd++
[10:30:03] <Bender> karma - systemd: 1
[10:30:47] <chromas> systemctl start coffeepatrol
[10:31:13] <ar> coffee--
[10:31:13] <Bender> karma - coffee: 699
[10:31:20] <ar> tea++
[10:31:20] <Bender> karma - tea: 36
[10:31:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:31:51] <Bender> karma - coffee: 700
[10:31:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> tea++
[10:31:53] <Bender> karma - tea: 37
[10:32:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> WAIT!
[10:32:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee--
[10:32:19] <Bender> karma - coffee: 699
[10:32:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, 69 with an extra chick
[10:32:53] <chromas> !grab TheMightyBuzzard
[10:32:53] <Bender> Added quote 235
[10:33:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> i may be going to hell but at least i'll know the people there
[10:33:32] <chromas> Tea++ because it doesn't haz caffeine
[10:33:32] <Bender> karma - tea: 38
[10:33:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> does so
[10:33:56] <ar> coffee--
[10:33:56] <Bender> karma - coffee: 698
[10:33:58] <ar> tea++
[10:33:58] <Bender> karma - tea: 39
[10:34:25] <chromas> Mr coffee-- says otherwise
[10:34:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> mr coffee is on drugs
[10:34:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> any proper tea has caffeine. even decaf
[10:35:25] <chromas> Coffee++ is the correct direction then
[10:35:25] <Bender> karma - coffee: 699
[10:35:37] <chromas> Correct erection
[10:36:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> ah well, i may have to write a module to use gocoin but at least they have a test server, unlike bitpay
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[10:44:26] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:44:26] <Bender> karma - coffee: 700
[10:44:54] <ar> tea++
[10:44:54] <Bender> karma - tea: 40
[10:44:57] <ar> coffee--
[10:44:57] <Bender> karma - coffee: 699
[10:44:58] <crutchy> \nickometer TheMightyBuzzard
[10:44:58] <systemd> crutchy: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "TheMightyBuzzard" is 17.6%.
[10:45:11] <ar> \nickometer ar
[10:45:11] <systemd> ar: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "ar" is 0.0%.
[10:45:44] <ar> yay, my nickname is 0% lame
[10:45:44] <crutchy> \nickometer nickometer
[10:45:44] <systemd> crutchy: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "crutchy" is 0.0%.
[10:47:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> real lameness test: did you pick your own nickname?
[10:48:08] <ar> i did
[10:50:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> fail then. everyone knows you're not allowed to pick your own
[10:58:11] * chromas doesn't use his given nickname online
[10:59:04] <chromas> Except in source code and stuff
[11:04:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> i use mine because it's entirely too good a nick to not use.
[11:17:05] <ar> my current online nickname is actually a given nickname based on my previous online nickname
[11:18:45] <ar> (which i still use in places where two-letter nicknames/usernames aren't allowed)
[11:18:51] <crutchy> mine is a nick i was given at school
[11:20:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Surveillance Engine: How the NSA Built Its Own Secret Google - http://sylnt.us - intuitive-user-friendly-design
[11:20:49] <systemd> Title: SoylentNews | The Surveillance Engine: How the NSA Built Its Own Secret Google (at sylnt.us)
[11:23:32] <chromas> No idea how to add ignores
[11:28:33] <crutchy> \ignore
[11:28:33] <systemd> Bugger all, I dunno!
[11:28:41] <crutchy> \list
[11:28:41] <systemd> crutchy: Admin, Alias, Anonymous, AutoMode, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Ctcp, Currency, Dcc, Dict, Games, Geekquote, Google, Grasshoppaz, Infobot, Internet, Lart, Later, Linux, Markov, Math, Memo, Minstrel, Misc, Network, News, Nickometer, Note, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Protector, Python, Quote, RSS, RawLogger, Reply, Rhyme, Scheduler, Seen, Status, String, Success, (1 more message)
[11:29:16] <chromas> I found channel ignore add and admin ignore add
[11:29:28] <chromas> Tried the admin one
[11:29:35] <crutchy> \snore
[11:29:36] <systemd> I don't have a clue, crutchy.
[11:30:02] <chromas> ~say /say \say say hi
[11:30:04] <exec> /say \say say hi
[11:30:04] <monopoly> \say say hi
[11:30:04] <systemd> monopoly: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
[11:30:14] <chromas> Damn
[11:30:16] <crutchy> apt-get install systemd
[11:30:46] <chromas> \say systemD++
[11:30:46] <systemd> systemD++
[11:30:47] <Bender> karma - systemd: 2
[11:31:16] <chromas> Chromas--
[11:31:16] <Bender> karma - chromas: 26
[11:31:39] <chromas> Change the case and it doesn't block you
[11:31:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, why didn't you make the command prefix "systemctl"?
[11:32:02] <crutchy> it's all chromas
[11:32:10] * TheMightyBuzzard pokes chromas
[11:32:11] <crutchy> i'm just an innocent bystander :p
[11:32:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ^^^
[11:32:21] <chromas> Whoops. Hah I thought I was in #
[11:32:39] <crutchy> chromas, s/in/on/
[11:32:40] <exec> <crutchy> <chromas> Whoops. Hah I thought I was on #
[11:33:09] <chromas> Yeah but where's the fun when it's legal?
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[11:50:00] <chromas> systemctl say hi TheMightyBuzzard
[11:50:00] <systemd> hi TheMightyBuzzard
[11:50:45] <chromas> systemctl say coffee++
[11:50:46] <systemd> coffee++
[11:50:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 700
[11:50:50] <chromas> systemctl say systemd++
[11:50:50] <systemd> systemd++
[11:50:54] <chromas> systemctl say systemD++
[11:50:54] <systemd> systemD++
[11:50:54] <Bender> karma - systemd: 3
[11:57:56] * Subsentient pukes on systemd
[11:58:38] <chromas> systemctl start buckets
[11:58:39] <systemd> Wish I knew, chromas.
[12:02:21] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, might have a bit of a SN comment feed working (that won't load up the server)
[12:02:36] <crutchy> ^ trust me, i'm shaped
[12:02:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> howzat?
[12:03:10] <crutchy> just looks at articles in the atom feed (50 i think)
[12:03:29] <crutchy> opens each at -1/-1/flat and parses
[12:03:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> scraper then. nod nod.
[12:03:44] <crutchy> keeps track of last cid
[12:03:50] <crutchy> yeah. nothin fancy
[12:04:12] <crutchy> 5 sec sleep between each page get
[12:04:29] <crutchy> was thinking about putting on a 60 min repeat
[12:04:47] <crutchy> in some channel somewhere
[12:05:31] <crutchy> might eventually be ok to let loose in here cos theres not going to be heaps of new comments in an hour (yet)
[12:05:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know we can't give you permission, yes? comments are owned by the people posting them so copyright stays with them.
[12:06:17] <crutchy> hmm that sucks
[12:06:25] <crutchy> not that i expected permission
[12:06:35] <chromas> crutchy's goin' rogue!
[12:06:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> we have an implied license by them posting it on the site but we can't extend it to anyone else. which was the issue with pipedot.
[12:07:08] <crutchy> so if i download a comment in my browser is that a violation of copyright?
[12:07:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, that would also be implied. copying it to elsewhere would be the rub.
[12:07:38] <crutchy> ah
[12:08:00] <crutchy> that blows
[12:08:29] <crutchy> i guess i can just provide the story title and a url to the new comment
[12:08:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> now you could make an argument that you choose to view them over your bot on irc and you're not in fact copying them, but you could end up needing a lawyer if anyone bitches and gets one of their own.
[12:08:38] <chromas> just have to put them into a channel where nobody logs :)
[12:08:41] <crutchy> easy to not show comment itself
[12:09:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> could show them just in your client if you wanted to make a client script.
[12:10:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> no violation there as you're not redistributing, just viewing in a weird method.
[12:10:58] <crutchy> just removed comment itself from output
[12:11:22] <crutchy> now just indicates tfa title and comment url
[12:11:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. just scrape the rss then. easier except for articles with below the fold text.
[12:11:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> ah, i see then
[12:12:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, nobody should be able to bitch about that.
[12:12:41] <crutchy> ~rehash
[12:12:42] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file (63 aliases)
[12:13:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> be pretty spammy for #soylent on its initial run. all comments would be new.
[12:13:20] <ciri> me too, smoke time! TheMightyBuzzard
[12:13:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> eat a dog turd with extra stank, ciri
[12:14:09] <crutchy> i'm testing it in # atm so *if* it ends up in here it would only be new comments
[12:15:31] <crutchy> just spat this out in # (as an idea for how it looks):
[12:15:32] <crutchy> <exec> *** new comment for SN article "California DMV Says Google Cars Still Need Steering Wheels" - http://soylentnews.org
[12:15:33] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by evilviper (1760)
[12:15:44] <chromas> \admin ignore remove Bender
[12:15:44] <systemd> chromas: Error: Bender!~Bender@xs508-09.members.linode.com wasn't in the ignores database.
[12:18:27] <crutchy> on 60 minute timer now (in #) so i'll keep an eye on it and see how it goes. 51 page hits per hour won't even register a blip on the server load-o-meter
[12:18:29] <chromas> systemctl currency convert 69 usd to pes
[12:18:30] <systemd> chromas: Error: You used an incorrect currency symbol.
[12:19:05] <crutchy> esp with 5 sec delay between
[12:19:23] <crutchy> (and only html)
[12:19:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> systemd currency convert 1 BTC to USD
[12:19:38] <systemd> TheMightyBuzzard: 1.00 btc = 507.81 usd
[12:19:46] <crutchy> ooh
[12:19:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> handy
[12:20:00] <chromas> systemctl math convert 5 inches to hands
[12:20:00] <systemd> chromas: 1.25
[12:20:16] <crutchy> systemd currency convert 1 aud to krono
[12:20:17] <systemd> crutchy: Error: You used an incorrect currency symbol.
[12:20:23] <chromas> can also add aliases so there's not so much to type
[12:20:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> systemd currency convert 1 AUD to USD
[12:20:40] <systemd> TheMightyBuzzard: 1.00 aud = 0.93 usd
[12:20:43] <crutchy> systemd currency convert 1 cm to sec
[12:20:44] <systemd> crutchy: Error: You used an incorrect currency symbol.
[12:20:49] <crutchy> opos
[12:21:23] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, would be nice if it were a little lower. high aussie dollar value is bad
[12:21:33] <chromas> what
[12:21:38] <chromas> you mean low usd value
[12:21:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not high, the dollar is plenty low right now.
[12:22:23] <crutchy> yuan is pegged to usd, which means for aussie exports to be competitive we need to basically peg too
[12:22:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> systemd currency convert 1 GBP to USD
[12:22:48] <systemd> TheMightyBuzzard: 1.00 gbp = 1.66 usd
[12:23:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, http://www.xe.com
[12:23:06] <monopoly> ^ 03ISO 4217 Currency Codes
[12:23:18] <chromas> neat
[12:23:32] <crutchy> can prolly use google too
[12:23:37] <crutchy> (as an option)
[12:23:53] <crutchy> might be a little less picky about syntax
[12:25:45] <chromas> \channelstats
[12:25:45] <systemd> chromas: On #Soylent there have been 144 messages, containing 6160 characters, 1069 words, 2 smileys, and 3 frowns; 3 of those messages were ACTIONs. There have been 2 joins, 0 parts, 0 quits, 0 kicks, 0 mode changes, and 0 topic changes.
[12:26:12] <crutchy> ooh
[12:27:07] <chromas> Doesn't seem to make pretty graphs or anything
[12:28:59] <chromas> \todo
[12:28:59] <systemd> chromas: Todo for chromas: #1: zipinfo my pants
[12:31:03] <chromas> systemctl weather
[12:31:05] <systemd> chromas: The current temperature in Whitman, Walla Walla, Washington is 65.7F (5:15 AM PDT on August 29, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 48.2F. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
[12:36:41] <crutchy> ~count
[12:39:16] <crutchy> ~count
[12:40:25] <SirFinkus> so driving home, suddenly like 5 cop cars pass me going 80
[12:40:31] <SirFinkus> in a 35mph zone
[12:40:37] <SirFinkus> guess someone got killed
[12:40:55] <crutchy> or they badly needed donuts
[12:41:12] <SirFinkus> possible
[12:41:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Student Arrested and Suspended for "Killing Pet Dinosaur" - http://sylnt.us - was-the-dinosaur-purple?
[12:42:40] <SirFinkus> they're probably after me
[12:42:43] <SirFinkus> coming to get me
[12:42:55] <crutchy> ~don-tinfoil-hat
[12:43:25] <SirFinkus> they're trying to intimidate me first
[12:43:30] <SirFinkus> I know too much
[12:44:15] <crutchy> they're going to donut-board you
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[13:28:36] <SirFinkus> cops--
[13:28:36] <Bender> karma - cops: -1
[13:29:05] <SirFinkus> so after the incident last night, I go out in the front and there's trash everywhere from where they searched the car
[13:29:15] <SirFinkus> they just tossed it all into the lawn
[13:29:37] <SirFinkus> cigarette butts, fast food containers, wrappers for shit
[13:30:15] <crutchy> police_state--
[13:30:15] <Bender> karma - police_state: -1
[13:30:50] <SirFinkus> got a free cigarette though
[13:31:00] <SirFinkus> don't smoke, but whatever
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[13:38:55] <Woods> I got frisked once because I was driving around lost in a neighborhood with drug dealers.
[13:39:52] <Woods> A neighborhood that contained drug dealers*.... There were drug dealers nearby, but not in my car.... English is weird.
[13:39:52] <SirFinkus> good forbid we have freedom of movement
[13:40:04] <SirFinkus> and drug dealers are everywhere
[13:41:43] <Woods> I was meeting a friend at a nearby park for the first time, we originally met online. In their defense, it probably sounded really sketchy. I could not even remember the name of the park, or where it was.
[13:42:09] <SirFinkus> why even talk to them?
[13:42:11] <Woods> They asked where I was going and I said "To a highway". They asked which and I replied "Any". Once I got to a highway, any highway, I knew my way home.
[13:42:27] <SirFinkus> it isn't any of their business where you're going
[13:42:32] <Woods> Because it was an interesting experience.
[13:42:56] <SirFinkus> suppose that's one way to look at it
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[13:43:44] <Woods> And that is the true story of how another guy felt me up.
[13:44:10] <SirFinkus> cheaper than going to the airport!
[13:45:19] <n1> i really cant believe how 'invasive' airport pat downs are now
[13:45:47] <Woods> Are they that bad? I have never been.
[13:45:50] <n1> after being scanned by the whatever they're called machines.
[13:46:12] <Woods> I think that is actually the official name, n1.
[13:46:43] <n1> pat down all the way up the inside of your leg, had them run fingers all the way around the inside of my waistband.
[13:46:52] <n1> thought i was about to get lucky last time i left the country.
[13:47:35] <n1> this is after you had to take your belt off to get through the metal detectors, so your jeans may be hanging lower than normal.
[13:47:46] <Woods> lol, yikes.
[13:48:46] <n1> i'm used to it generally, but it does seem to be stepping up beyond all reason
[13:50:06] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, https://github.com
[13:50:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, sup?
[13:50:55] <crutchy> i think its harmless enough, and gives a bit of info without breaching any pesky copyright laws
[13:51:24] <crutchy> last comment:
[13:51:25] <crutchy> <exec> *** new comment by Buck Feta (958) (Score:1) for article "Student Arrested and Suspended for "Killing Pet Dinosaur"" - http://soylentnews.org
[13:51:26] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by Buck Feta (958)
[13:51:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> bear in mind yer talking to a guy who downloads all the tv he watches
[13:52:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like there's some utility there
[13:52:58] <crutchy> its on a 60 minute loop in #
[13:53:33] <crutchy> if it behaves i can bring it in here, but i'll ask first
[13:54:10] <crutchy> if not no biggie. i'll use it in #
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[14:04:56] <crutchy> ooh picked up 2 more comments
[14:05:05] <crutchy> timer is working
[14:07:13] <crutchy> hmm found a little problem
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[14:11:23] <crutchy> hopefully fixed. was skipping some comments
[14:12:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, might check with one of the sysadmins to see if it's creating a noticeable load too
[14:12:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> shouldn't be but shurg
[14:13:53] <crutchy> np. i can tweak delay and timer to suit requirements
[14:14:22] <crutchy> dont wanna tread on toes
[14:14:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> how many articles down are you scraping?
[14:14:56] <crutchy> 50/hr
[14:15:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be reasonable but ain't my call
[14:15:42] <crutchy> i can tweak that number too
[14:15:49] * TheMightyBuzzard eyes mechanicjay
[14:16:31] <mechanicjay> erm, yeah I can take a look
[14:16:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> muchos grassy ass, me amoeba
[14:17:04] <crutchy> lol
[14:17:05] <ciri> hahaha
[14:17:22] <crutchy> thanks mechanicjay :D
[14:18:28] <crutchy> should only be hitting varnish too
[14:18:42] <crutchy> (no login)
[14:18:46] <mechanicjay> db is cool as a cucumber, webserver has some load, but nothing out of the ordinary
[14:18:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> outstandin
[14:19:02] <mechanicjay> crutchy: that assumes the resource you're looking for has been cached recently
[14:19:11] <crutchy> ah
[14:19:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> if not, he's making it cached for everyone else
[14:19:27] <mechanicjay> true
[14:19:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> odd way to do it but if it's not hurting anything it's not hurting anything
[14:19:52] <mechanicjay> interesting. I'm seeing our cache hit rate on varnish at about 85%
[14:20:04] <mechanicjay> we're usually between 90-95%
[14:20:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> sweet
[14:20:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh
[14:20:23] <crutchy> is that a good thing?
[14:20:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> still plenty high
[14:20:37] <crutchy> so higher is better?
[14:20:41] <mechanicjay> the 90-95% is freaking outstanding
[14:20:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[14:21:10] <crutchy> maybe the problems with slash are because its getting bored
[14:21:13] <mechanicjay> I'm usually happy with 80% when I build something, so 85% is still great, though a bit lower than our normally outstanding stat.
[14:21:31] <crutchy> varnish stealing its thunder
[14:22:12] <mechanicjay> ha, no Varnish is pretty much the only thing letting us run apache 1.3 without needing GIANT linodes for memory and connection handling.
[14:22:30] <mechanicjay> it's totally saving our bacon++
[14:22:32] <crutchy> that's good then
[14:23:23] <crutchy> must be high gloss finish
[14:24:30] * crutchy might do another manual test of minor tweak
[14:25:14] <crutchy> woohoo my awesome 128k connection must be really testing that cache now :p
[14:25:22] <crutchy> shaped--
[14:25:22] <Bender> karma - shaped: -3
[14:26:01] <Konomi> quota--
[14:26:01] <Bender> karma - quota: -1
[14:26:07] * TheMightyBuzzard goes back to making fake bitcoin invoices
[14:26:12] <crutchy> picked up 4 new comments so far
[14:26:26] <crutchy> not missing inbetweeners like before
[14:27:24] <mechanicjay> varnish++
[14:27:24] <Bender> karma - varnish: 1
[14:27:34] <crutchy> could make some funky settings out of this
[14:28:03] <crutchy> instead of privmsging a channel, it could notice any nick that registered to receive them
[14:28:16] <crutchy> and could even set a score threshold etc
[14:28:44] <crutchy> personalized SN comment feeds :D
[14:29:23] <crutchy> tis a little spammy atm. picked up 9 new comments
[14:36:42] <mechanicjay> another interesting varnish stat: we average 2.91 client connections/sec.
[14:37:16] <mechanicjay> 82% cache hit rate for the last 10 minutes
[14:37:28] <crutchy> not too shabby
[14:37:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, that's actually quite a lot of connections/sec for us.
[14:37:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> given our youth anyway.
[14:37:56] <crutchy> 51 of those would be from me :D
[14:38:11] <mechanicjay> that's a varnish server lifetime average -- which has been running for 11 days or so.
[14:38:40] <mechanicjay> The interesting thing is watching the realtime number bounce between 0 and 35 conn/sec
[14:39:11] <mechanicjay> Yeah, it's really hard to *not* be pleased with the amount of traffic we get.
[14:39:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> !uid
[14:39:42] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4668, owned by ItisBE
[14:40:08] <crutchy> my contribution was only 0.2 hits/sec for a few minutes unfortunately
[14:40:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, not many ACs became registered to subscribe looks like.
[14:41:38] <crutchy> ~queue
[14:41:41] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 14 - http://sylnt.us
[14:42:23] <crutchy> ~staff meeting
[14:42:29] <exec> 08Time: Wednesday, September 3, 23:00 UTC (7:00pm EDT) Place: irc.sylnt.us:6667/6697#staff (Webchat) Chair: To Be Determined
[14:42:40] <crutchy> ah thats right
[14:42:49] <crutchy> a whole week :p
[14:45:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> board meeting though
[14:46:22] <crutchy> might need to adjust that trigger slightly
[14:46:39] <crutchy> or something
[14:46:54] <crutchy> or not. its in the topic anyways i just noticed
[14:47:56] <crutchy> night #soylent. i'm out
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[20:15:22] <mechanicjay> How is it possible that there are 180 seconds per minute in the last hour of work on a Friday?
[20:16:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds about right but i have no idea
[20:16:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably einstein's fault
[20:17:17] <mechanicjay> Darn that guy and his relativity.
[20:19:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> top that off with i'm feeling rather stabby after spending all day trying to get gocoin to work like its docs say it works.
[20:19:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> stabby? stabbish? stabtastic?
[20:19:52] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[20:20:16] <mechanicjay> I've heard folks use "stabby" in this context before -- it works.
[20:22:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean it's not like oauth is difficult and their debugging console says all is good but switch it to live to create an invoice you never plan to collect on and... sorry, the access key WE JUST GAVE YOU is invalid.
[20:23:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> and also, the method we told you to use in the docs is unsupported
[20:23:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> slash has better documentation
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[20:24:56] <mechanicjay> ugh, need to find a VPS provider
[20:25:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> pleeeeenty of them out there
[20:28:18] <nick> I would say i'm happy with 1&1, for a basic vps from an established player at a reasonable price point. But... their insistence on trying to upsell via phonecalls after you just purchased your damn server/domain/vps shit from them, has really fucked me off.
[20:28:59] <mechanicjay> Its more the time and effort I need to put into it. Planning on a big move, need to move my local stuff *somewhere* until I get resettled. Pretty much email and handful of LAMP apps.
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[20:30:27] <nick> I'd go with 1&1 still, their vps are a per month (not tied in for a year) and have some reasonable options for your initial install
[20:30:49] <mechanicjay> Looking for either FreeBSD or OpenSuse
[20:30:56] <nick> has opensuse
[20:31:18] <nick> you can have opensuse or opensuse with plesk as standard
[20:31:33] <nick> centos is another option, i cant remember the others.
[20:32:21] <mechanicjay> hrm, still on SuSE 12.3, bah
[20:32:33] <mechanicjay> still, the price is attractive!
[20:32:48] <nick> for 'getting the job done' it works for me
[20:34:55] <nick> my opensuse is 13.1 btw
[20:35:01] <nick> on my vps
[20:35:39] <nick> but that is with plesk, so yeah i can see now for minimal it's 12.3
[20:35:49] <nick> openSUSE 13.1 minimal system (64-bit)
[20:35:55] <nick> i need to read more.
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[20:44:01] <chromas> from the doing-things-safely-is-safe dept
[20:44:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> safety is overrated
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[20:45:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> ima come right out and say it: kids wearing helmets to ride a bike or skateboard look fucking retarded.
[20:46:00] <mechanicjay> When I was 14, NJ passed a law that everyone under 16 had to wear a bike helmet.
[20:46:51] <mechanicjay> ...and thus started my path down the road to being a scofflaw.
[20:46:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds about right. people love passing laws telling other people what to do.
[20:48:15] <nick> and yet still no licences or regulatory obligations required to become a parents.
[20:48:44] <mechanicjay> TheMightyBuzzard: one of the reasons I'm looking to GTFO of Jersey. Too much regulation of stupid shit.
[20:48:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, they just take your kids away if you raise them in a manner the state disapproves of.
[20:49:20] <nick> TheMightyBuzzard, that side of it seems to get very selective enforcement
[20:49:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> mechanicjay, pick a red state that doesn't have ignorant-ass laws like low point beer only.
[20:50:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, ya. if you're politically incorrect, you're in trouble.
[20:50:35] <mechanicjay> My town has a 10pm curfew for minors. Makes me angry -- it's small safe suburban town.
[20:50:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye flipping gods
[20:50:54] <nick> the fuck
[20:51:07] <nick> i have never heard of that shit before
[20:51:14] <nick> curfew for minors...
[20:51:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> someone needs to challenge that. no way is it constitutional.
[20:52:31] <nick> things would have been very different growing up in that suburban town...
[20:52:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i woulda been in jail ALL THE TIME
[20:53:01] <mechanicjay> http://newjerseyhills.com
[20:53:33] <nick> it would just be a very different social environment, you wouldnt be going out late because there was no one else to meet going out late
[20:54:07] <nick> like many british youths, my teens were spent drinking cheap booze in local parks.
[20:54:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think that's youths in any western nation and a lot of the eastern ones.
[20:54:41] <mechanicjay> Of course, NJ has all but taken away the freedom off it's young people with the Graduated Drivers Program.
[20:55:37] <nick> TheMightyBuzzard, no doubt
[20:55:52] <Dopefish> Not to butt in on this conversation... but the liberal bastion that is CA sucks pretty hard in its own way.
[20:56:00] <Dopefish> Blue states aren't inherently better than red states
[20:56:02] <mechanicjay> Niether of those things effected me 17 years ago -- thankfully
[20:56:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> most blue states do
[20:56:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> blue states tend to be more oppressive not less than red states.
[20:56:48] <nick> mechanicjay, in theory what happens in your town if you're 17 and on the way to work at 5.30am, like i used to be at that age.
[20:57:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, beats me. i was in the same boat.
[20:57:28] <mechanicjay> I don't know about the town rules, but the state at least allows for an expemption to the driving restriction if you're traveling to/from work.
[20:58:46] <Dopefish> I wouldn't necessarily say CA is more oppresive... just more incompetent
[20:58:55] <mechanicjay> Shit, at 17 I was running the big 5 horse gooseneck trailer all over the state.
[20:58:55] <Dopefish> That being said... that doesn't to apply to blue state
[20:59:10] <Dopefish> *doesn't apply to all blue states
[20:59:35] <nick> My assumption would be the 'less oppressive' red states only feel so because of the more spread out population
[20:59:38] <Dopefish> For instance.... we have a water shortage problem in CA
[20:59:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> i go by the numbers. blue states like to oppress the majority rather than minorities. bigger head count on their oppression.
[20:59:52] <Dopefish> Instead of taking care of it properly... we are ignoring the problem hoping it will go away
[21:00:13] <nick> TheMightyBuzzard, which doesn't make red states very appealing if you're not in the majority
[21:00:24] <mechanicjay> Most people just want to live their life and not be fucked with.
[21:00:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> zactly
[21:00:54] <nick> sounds about right, except some people feel entitled to fuck with others for various reasons
[21:01:00] <Dopefish> And btw red states aren't all that great either. Some dumbass shit happens in them too. I honestly am of the opinion that both sides of the isle are in it for themselves, just with different rhetoric
[21:01:01] <mechanicjay> Sometimes its other groups of people that screw with you, other times its the govt -- pick which sucks less for you.
[21:01:11] <nick> and both red and blue states are guilty of that, even if there's different reasons and nuance to it
[21:01:17] <Dopefish> Pretty much
[21:01:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> Dopefish, ya, just different flavors of assholitude.
[21:01:31] <Dopefish> Exactly
[21:01:41] <nick> Agreed, Dopefish.
[21:03:31] <Dopefish> Incidentally... I voted to Ron Paul and Gary Johnson... but typically I am very politically apethetic. Both Bush and Obama don't care all that much about our plight.
[21:03:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> tellin ya, gents, Emperor of North America, The Mighty Buzzard I will be the best thing that ever happened to this place.
[21:04:12] <Dopefish> Bush's human rights violations, and Obama kinda continued most of it to an extent, which is disappointing, because Obama talked a great talk about following the constitution and all that jazz in 2007
[21:04:17] <Dopefish> When he was on the campaign trail
[21:04:37] <Dopefish> Oh and being anti-war, which hasn;t really translated over.
[21:04:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> lol, dude he didn't kinda continue, he worsened every last one of them pretty much.
[21:04:44] <Dopefish> Yeah
[21:04:51] <nick> Dopefish, my thoughts also, the campaigning obama was a long way from the in office obama
[21:04:52] <mechanicjay> yeah, I was HOPEful for some CHANGE, and was pretty disappointed.
[21:04:54] <Dopefish> That's actually what I was leaning towards
[21:05:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> but he's transparent because he tells us he is.
[21:05:09] <Dopefish> Hmm... nice I think I'm amongst like minded people
[21:05:38] <nick> and that pretty much killed my faith in the political system, seeing what you get with 'hope and change'.... doubling down on more of the same
[21:05:44] <Dopefish> Yes
[21:05:46] <Dopefish> Amen
[21:05:49] <Dopefish> +1
[21:05:50] <mechanicjay> In retrospect I almost preferred Bush, because at least you knew what he was going to do and his stance on stuff.
[21:05:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> hope you have enough change for the bus
[21:05:57] <Dopefish> Yeah I suppose
[21:06:08] <Dopefish> No hope and change to go around
[21:06:13] <nick> mechanicjay, thats what i feel about the current UK government.
[21:06:16] <Dopefish> Great campaign slogan. Change... erm not
[21:06:22] <Dopefish> Actually... speaking of UK
[21:06:44] <Dopefish> Been following Nigel Farage and man is he awesome. Most news outlets over there say he's a bloody racist
[21:06:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> shit man, bush wasn't good for the economy but we're down tens of millions of jobs since he left office.
[21:06:45] <ciri> i hope you wiped your ass :)
[21:06:51] <nick> lol
[21:06:52] <ciri> it's not that funny :)
[21:07:04] <mechanicjay> NigelFarage++
[21:07:04] <Bender> karma - nigelfarage: 1
[21:07:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> Dopefish, check out Tim Moen. Canadian guy but awesome.
[21:07:14] <Dopefish> Heard of him too
[21:07:17] <Dopefish> Such solid people
[21:07:23] <nick> not racist, but a lot of people in his party certainly are.
[21:07:26] <Dopefish> And yes... the EU is a TERRIBLE idea
[21:07:31] <Dopefish> Yeah I know UKIP isn't all the best
[21:07:34] <mechanicjay> Listen to Nigel rip into EU parliment sometimes, it's awesome.
[21:07:37] <Dopefish> Tbh it has shitty fucks in it
[21:07:42] <Dopefish> But Nigel is a gem
[21:07:56] <nick> the EU is a terrible idea in some respect, its good in others
[21:08:01] <nick> and we are NOT prepared for an exist
[21:08:04] <nick> exit*
[21:08:08] <Dopefish> And yes... the EU wants to remove every Euro's country's identity
[21:08:15] <Dopefish> Well that's the long haul argument
[21:08:23] <Dopefish> One big... oh we got this shit taken care of... union
[21:08:33] <Dopefish> No individuality :/
[21:08:42] <Dopefish> And the Euro is a shit currency
[21:08:44] <nick> I don't think EU countries are worried about their individuality that much
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[21:08:49] <nick> the EU will not stop the french being french
[21:08:49] <Dopefish> Wonder why the Brits stuck with the pound
[21:09:00] <nick> no matter how many laws they put in place that might suggest it
[21:09:03] <Dopefish> Well England sure as hell is
[21:09:06] <nick> yeah
[21:09:09] <Dopefish> Well... at least Nigel Farage
[21:09:13] <mechanicjay> yeah, because taking a bunch of geographically dispersed, culturually different folks and jamming under a common banner always works flawlessly.
[21:09:25] <nick> the UK is not that clear
[21:09:35] <Dopefish> Watching his speeches on YouTube gets my adrenaline pumped lol
[21:09:36] <nick> the UK government loves blaming the EU for things they know are not popular with the population
[21:09:48] <nick> but things they want, but they can shift the blame to the evil EU
[21:09:56] * TheMightyBuzzard gets a little more work in before the day's out
[21:10:19] * mechanicjay appears to be working, by typing quickly at his desk.
[21:10:20] <nick> there are plenty of things the UK opts out of unofficially from the EU, much like all the other countries, pick and choose in reality
[21:10:33] <Dopefish> Well... here's an issue of contention. Everyone things Nigel is against immigration. He is actually more of a reasonable man that, if you have something to contribute to British society and prove yourself... you can still become a citizen
[21:10:36] <nick> the UK doesnt mind ignoring EU law
[21:10:40] <nick> when it comes to spying on UK citizens
[21:10:50] <Dopefish> Just not going to be a free for all whereby foreigners suck off the teat of NHS
[21:11:11] <nick> at that point, they say "fuck the EU, you're not our boss" and do what they like, violating UK law and EU law all along the way
[21:11:13] <Dopefish> And other benefits paid for by british tax dolars
[21:11:18] <Dopefish> *DOLLARS
[21:11:21] <Dopefish> oops caps
[21:11:25] <nick> yeah, my tax dollars
[21:11:37] <nick> and the NHS is better as it was, than the road we're heading down
[21:11:41] <Dopefish> Yeah you paid for your health care
[21:11:56] <Dopefish> You shouldn't have to subsidize some foreigner who hasnt paid a dime into the system
[21:12:00] <Dopefish> Not fair for you
[21:12:07] <nick> having foreigners coming in and abusing the system is a cost, and it's not fair
[21:12:27] <nick> and just because they do, doesn't mean it's allowed
[21:12:30] <Dopefish> And I'm not a big fan of state run health care... at least I don't think it would work stateside... but in the UK it seems like they are managing it ok
[21:12:39] <nick> the hospitals dont have the facility to 'charge people'
[21:12:43] <Dopefish> And Sweden seems to have it down quite nicely
[21:12:44] <nick> and they dont even ask the question
[21:12:49] <Dopefish> Yeah hmmmmm
[21:12:54] <nick> you go in, they treat you, you leave
[21:12:59] <nick> they do send bills out to people
[21:13:07] <nick> hell, even if you have paid into the UK tax system all your life
[21:13:13] <nick> if you're out the EU for 3 months
[21:13:18] <nick> you in theory shouldnt get it anymore
[21:13:25] <Dopefish> That's odd
[21:13:27] <nick> thats 'the law'
[21:13:33] <nick> but because no one asks the question...
[21:13:38] <Dopefish> I have a friend here in the US who has british citizenship
[21:13:45] <Dopefish> She can still get NHS care if she needed it
[21:13:51] <nick> sure, she can
[21:14:02] <nick> but the NHS rulebook says if you're out the EU for over 3 months a year, you dont get it
[21:14:06] <Dopefish> Hmmmm
[21:14:11] <nick> thats the 'turning a blind eye'
[21:14:12] <Dopefish> Do they just overlook the rules?
[21:14:13] <Dopefish> Ah
[21:14:18] <Dopefish> Well that's sloppy
[21:14:18] <nick> which also allows foreigners and such
[21:14:25] <nick> there's no system to check who is entitled and who isnt
[21:14:28] <nick> who paid and who didn't
[21:14:44] <nick> and we're just heading to a place where everyones entitled, but you have to pay ontop
[21:15:14] <nick> because we have great people from the US healthcare system coming over and advising on how to improve the NHS
[21:15:31] <nick> their suggestions basically result in outsourcing services and charging for things
[21:15:51] <mechanicjay> The only thing the US consultants will figure how to do is line the pockets of some middlemen.
[21:16:02] <nick> mechanicjay, they've done it very well
[21:16:43] <mechanicjay> Here, Dr's cant afford their own practice anymore, people can't afford the bills anymore, yet the Ins cos and Pharma keep posting record profits...
[21:17:05] <Dopefish> IDK, speaking from the prospective as an American with a dad who is an oral surgeon, I can see things going MUCH better here if health insurances could compete across state lines
[21:17:17] <Dopefish> And cracking down on some of the shareholder abuses
[21:17:23] <Dopefish> For these so called "non-profits"
[21:17:53] <mechanicjay> I'd see it going better if the billed rates were actually reasonable, so you didn't need to pay $$$$ to at least get a negoitated rate that a mere mortal can afford.
[21:17:55] <nick> i dont know enough about the situation in the US, except that it's fucked up.
[21:18:04] <mechanicjay> nick: it's beyond fucked up
[21:18:27] <nick> having a very good friend of mine in the us now 'in debt' to a hospital for $$,$$$$ because of an accident at work.
[21:19:06] <Dopefish> Welll.... most of that shit is caused by unscrupulous hospitals that charge out the butt... because they can
[21:19:24] <Dopefish> Insurances will literally let a hospital charge $300 for a small ouch of water or something
[21:19:29] <Dopefish> Stupid bullshit like that
[21:19:32] <mechanicjay> A coworker had a minor bicylcing accident a couple months ago. All the bills got settled. Billed $15,000, Ins negotiated rate $800, he was responsible for a $50 copay at the Emergency room. This was no surgery or anything. Just a trip to the ER for a couple X-rays and whatnot.
[21:19:49] <Dopefish> Yikes
[21:20:02] <Dopefish> Had a co-worker from my old company who had a daughter airlifted
[21:20:08] <Dopefish> $20,000 for a 5 mile flight
[21:20:10] <Dopefish> Bull
[21:20:25] <nick> that sounds about right, my friend has a bill for nearly $50k for a broken ankle. works 2 jobs for minimum wage, can't afford health insurance obviously.
[21:20:44] <nick> and what do you do with that? it put me at a loss.
[21:20:46] <Dopefish> I can see how mountains of debt can screw with your life
[21:20:54] <mechanicjay> It even better than that. The Dr's and staff don't actually work for the Hosptital, their contractors, so you get a bill from the Hospital for facility fees, and from the Dr for their services. The bills are about comperable.
[21:21:03] <Dopefish> :/
[21:21:18] <nick> contrast that with a friend here, rushed to hospital, midnight emergency surgery, stayed in for a few days
[21:21:27] <nick> no paperwork to sign, $0 to pay.
[21:21:44] <Dopefish> That is nice.
[21:22:28] <mechanicjay> amazing -- we were billed $50,000 for a c-section delivery for our first, don't remember what the negotiated rate was, but we ended being on the hook for $1500? or so. This is of course, after paying $500/mo for the insurance in the first place.
[21:23:18] <nick> it seriously blows my mind, pretty much every american ive spoken to has a story that leaves me speechless
[21:23:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> and fun fact? most of those overcharging hospitals are very near bankruptcy because it goes out just as fast.
[21:23:47] <mechanicjay> My employer pays about the same -- so that's roughly $12,000/yr for the ins company. Even if we don't see a Dr in a year.
[21:24:09] <nick> does not sound cost effective.
[21:24:15] <mechanicjay> nick: not at all
[21:24:30] <Dopefish> Speaking of which... found a hospital in OK of all places that only accepts cash based payments
[21:24:33] <Dopefish> For surgery
[21:24:34] <mechanicjay> it's okay though, Obama care mandates that everyone now carry insurance as a matter of existence.
[21:24:39] <Dopefish> Turns out it is far cheaper this way
[21:24:45] <Dopefish> They run on a bid-system
[21:24:58] <nick> i've never got the insurance thing, when you most need it, you're least able to pay your premium because you're fucked up through illness.
[21:25:01] <Dopefish> Gotta find the article where I read about this
[21:25:34] <mechanicjay> the personal insurance mandate *REALLY* makes me angry.
[21:26:02] <nick> i'd be worried about the paying cash, i'd need updates every 10 minutes on how much the bill is
[21:26:11] <nick> and they'd probably be charging for the admin costs of checking your total
[21:26:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> mechanicjay, i'm exempt from the mandate. =P
[21:26:39] <mechanicjay> How'd you pull that off?
[21:26:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> indian. get my healthcare paid for by gamblers.
[21:27:02] <mechanicjay> lol, NICE!
[21:27:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> they'll take insurance if you got it but otherwise you pay zip zilch nada
[21:28:22] <Dopefish> Well no
[21:28:34] <Dopefish> The cash purchase would be agreed to up front and it stays locked
[21:28:41] <Dopefish> I need to find out where I heard of this...
[21:29:08] <Dopefish> http://www.surgerycenterok.com
[21:29:09] <monopoly> ^ 03Surgery Center of Oklahoma | Free market-loving, price-displaying, state-of-the-art, AAAHC accredited, doctor owned, ...
[21:29:38] <Dopefish> Last I checked this hospital is doing exceptionally well
[21:29:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> someone should do up an original content SN article about that.
[21:29:46] <Dopefish> I think I will
[21:29:51] <Dopefish> I'd love to actually
[21:30:12] <mechanicjay> I second that, that'd make a good piece.
[21:30:48] <Dopefish> Awesome :)
[21:31:12] <mechanicjay> alright folks, gotta run. Have a good weekend
[21:31:34] <Dopefish> Ok man
[21:31:35] <Dopefish> Peace
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[21:58:07] <janrinok> I'm getting 503s from the site
[21:58:45] <janrinok> Front page is there - but cannot log in or access stories
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[21:59:10] <janrinok> XID: 554042845 - Varnish Cache Server
[22:00:29] <janrinok> URGENT ^^^
[22:01:23] <janrinok> I'll try on #dev
[22:06:05] <janrinok> Anyone here?
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[22:08:59] <janrinok> Ethanol-fueled: that's 2 of us - are you having problems accessing the site?
[22:09:08] <Ethanol-fueled> Fuck yeah. Error 503's
[22:09:22] <janrinok> same here - raised the alarm here but no response so far
[22:09:24] <Ethanol-fueled> Hmmph. Some "guru"
[22:09:26] <Ethanol-fueled> hahahaha
[22:09:52] <janrinok> how's things with you?
[22:10:30] <Ethanol-fueled> Went on a field trip today to investigate problems with our products at a very big and evil place in the military industrial complex...
[22:10:50] <janrinok> bet that was fun...
[22:10:56] <mythterj> You can read the site, you just can't log in. Benifits of being an AC i suppose.
[22:10:58] <Ethanol-fueled> They want to build SWARMS of autonamous underwater vehicles and place them in coastal areas.
[22:11:31] <janrinok> Ethanol-fueled: it'll pay your bills but you don't have to like it
[22:11:42] <janrinok> mythterj: yes, we've all got the same problem
[22:11:52] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, you can read the discussions, but you cannot log in, expand comments as AC, or basically do anything other than click on the link to the discussion (forced to browse at teh defeault threshold as a result)
[22:12:42] <janrinok> PANIC - 503's from the site. Anyone on call?
[22:13:07] <Ethanol-fueled> It's labor day weekend. They're all probably drinking beers and having their dicks sucked by whores.
[22:13:14] <janrinok> just the 3 of us - unless all the others are fighting fires....
[22:13:20] <janrinok> LOL
[22:13:21] <ciri> heh
[22:13:37] <Ethanol-fueled> ciri, do you think having one's dick sucked is funny?
[22:13:52] <Ethanol-fueled> *unzip*
[22:13:58] <janrinok> rofl
[22:14:28] <janrinok> what am I doing on here in the middle of (my) night?
[22:14:38] <Ethanol-fueled> I did see something interesting -- according to pipedot, they had Ncommander's permission to mirror the comments or some shit. of course, I didn't see what anybody was talking about.
[22:15:00] <Ethanol-fueled> janrinok, go to a bar and have your cog sugged by a fad chig.
[22:15:31] <janrinok> Thanks - but I'm not sure that is a good idea in France!
[22:16:12] <Ethanol-fueled> You French people are all risque' -- burlesque, topless dancers exposing their panties.
[22:16:21] <janrinok> Ethanol-fueled: I think that pipedot have stopped mirroring now, haven't they?
[22:16:37] <janrinok> I'm not French - I just live here.
[22:16:49] <Ethanol-fueled> yeah janrinok. And I still have no idea what everybody was talking about, because I went to pipedot and didn't see any dupes.
[22:17:46] <janrinok> Living in the rural areas of France is about as exciting as watching paint dry or stones grow. Dancing girls would cause heart attacks round here.
[22:18:03] <Ethanol-fueled> where do you live, if you don't mind me asking?
[22:18:06] <Ethanol-fueled> roughly
[22:18:32] <Ethanol-fueled> (and forgive me if I already asked and forgot, I forget everything here because I'm always wasted)
[22:18:58] <janrinok> NW France very close to the coast. Attracts loads of tourists during summer - but next we they all go home and we get back to the quiet life again.
[22:19:19] <janrinok> next week*
[22:20:10] <janrinok> PANIC - 503s from the site. Anyone responding?
[22:20:20] <Ethanol-fueled> type all of their names.
[22:20:34] <Ethanol-fueled> wonder if they broke something, haha
[22:20:40] <janrinok> I've tried pinging a few but no answer
[22:21:12] <Ethanol-fueled> be back in a few, gonna jump in the shower and crack open some wine.
[22:21:12] <ciri> ok Ethanol-fueled
[22:21:23] <janrinok> NCommander: TheMightyBuzzard: paulej72: PANIC - 503's from the site
[22:21:31] <janrinok> Ethanol-fueled: good idea
[22:21:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> <---dev not admin
[22:21:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds like apache crashed but there's fuck all i can do about it
[22:22:05] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: haven't you got superadmin privs?
[22:22:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> not even on dev
[22:22:26] <janrinok> Ah, OK, do you know where anyone is who can help?
[22:22:56] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: they'll only blame UTF-8....
[22:22:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> pj is doing the moving thing and NCommander hasn't been around in over 12 hours.
[22:23:16] <janrinok> Prob having one of his rare sleeps
[22:23:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> so he's due i guess
[22:23:51] <janrinok> PANIC - 503's from the site - Anyone responding?
[22:23:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> i've got a nasty suspicion they're going to try and stick me with admin if this keeps up
[22:24:16] <janrinok> lol - time to make yourself either scarce or indispensible!
[22:24:17] <ciri> HAHAHAHA
[22:24:52] * TheMightyBuzzard just wants his red stapler and to be left alone
[22:25:15] <janrinok> the trappings of power and authority....
[22:25:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> can take a hike. peace of mind is where it's at.
[22:25:49] <janrinok> agreed
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[22:26:43] <janrinok> I'm going to have to go soon - its early morning here and I just made the mistake of logging on to check the site on my way to bed
[22:26:43] <HwS> is SN having issues?
[22:26:57] <HwS> I'm getting Varnish errors
[22:27:07] <janrinok> HwS: Site's down - but we can't raise an admin
[22:27:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, best guess is apache craches behind the varnish cache
[22:27:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/crashes/crashed/
[22:27:26] <janrinok> PANIC - 503s from the site
[22:27:31] <HwS> Can't raise an admin? Can you raise the dead?
[22:27:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, ping
[22:27:51] <janrinok> usually, but admins are much harder...
[22:28:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander sleeps soundly enough it's hard to tell them apart
[22:28:25] <HwS> They are probably playing Scrooge McDuck with the $100 in subscriptions ;-)
[22:28:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> i would be
[22:28:41] <janrinok> lol
[22:28:41] <ciri> HEHEHEHE
[22:29:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> get it all in nickles n have a good roll
[22:29:02] <HwS> The smell of coffee or pizza can usually raise an admin.
[22:29:03] <janrinok> I'll strangle ciri one day
[22:29:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> she does like you today
[22:29:39] <janrinok> not unless they are already enjoying coffee and pizza somewhere else - or blow, hookers etc
[22:29:40] <HwS> or cat food, which will raise their cat, which will taunt them until they submit
[22:30:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72 is busy packing and/or moving. NCommander is likely just crashed hard from all the time changes recently.
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[22:30:48] <janrinok> hi BlackHole - its down for us all
[22:30:57] * BlackHole sensed a disturbance... :)
[22:31:25] <janrinok> BlackHole: cannot raise an admin - best guess they taken the subs money and swag and are on their way to somewhere sunny
[22:31:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> and mechanicjay just left maybe 45m ago
[22:32:09] <BlackHole> according to paypal, we have 56 subscribers!
[22:32:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> neato
[22:32:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> 1% give or take then
[22:32:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> !uid
[22:32:48] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4668, owned by ItisBE
[22:32:48] <HwS> 56? Hmmm ... I thought the goal was 42 so we could finally prove Deep Thought right
[22:32:55] <janrinok> how far will they get on $1120?
[22:33:15] <HwS> If they are on the NJ Turnpike they can get down to Exit 3
[22:33:18] <bryan> just need 244 more to pay monthly linode bill, right?
[22:33:21] <janrinok> lol
[22:33:23] <ciri> i missed it, what are you laughing at? >.>
[22:33:24] <BlackHole> janrinok, should i text NCommander about the 503s?
[22:33:36] <janrinok> if you can yes
[22:33:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> bryan, monthly bill's paid, yearly we're working on now.
[22:34:00] <HwS> you could. perhaps ask him to text someone else in the worst game of 'telephone' ever
[22:34:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> BlackHole, if you have the number, burn his phone down with messages
[22:34:19] <BlackHole> janrinok, done!
[22:34:24] <janrinok> thx
[22:34:29] <HwS> or post his number and we'll all send him a text ;-)
[22:34:55] <janrinok> you have a cruel streak - but I like the way you think....
[22:35:21] <HwS> My halo is in the pawn shop but I'm no better when I'm wearing it
[22:35:31] <bryan> err, 124 more, forgot it's $20 per year, not $12 per year
[22:35:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[22:36:02] <janrinok> and worth every cent
[22:36:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 75% of Ikea Catalog Photos are Computer Generated - http://sylnt.us - artists-representation-of-particleboard-furniture
[22:36:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> except for right this particular moment
[22:36:15] <Ethanol-fueled> Back, well, ain't that a bitch. Glad I was too broke to afford a subscription.
[22:36:34] <Ethanol-fueled> well, not broke, but had to choose between weekend's worth of cheap booze of subscription.
[22:36:48] <janrinok> I'm glad that Bender is letting me know what I can't log on to read...
[22:36:50] <Ethanol-fueled> 'Twas an easy choice.
[22:37:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, booze wins every time
[22:37:07] <janrinok> Ethanol-fueled: no contest
[22:37:08] <HwS> yes, thanks Bender
[22:37:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, weird... it likes me fine for logging in
[22:37:55] * TheMightyBuzzard is special
[22:38:18] <Ethanol-fueled> allright, I was able to log in just now.
[22:38:18] <HwS> To be fair, most Ikea furniture is like mexican food: same ingredients just assembled differently
[22:38:30] <janrinok> I can't even refresh the front page now
[22:38:35] <Ethanol-fueled> HwS - Don't knock IKEA.
[22:38:53] <Ethanol-fueled> SHit fucking rocks.
[22:38:53] <ciri> ok who farted?
[22:38:55] <HwS> I use Ikea furniture for the cats at our rescue
[22:38:56] <janrinok> Hey I'm back in!
[22:39:05] <HwS> Me too. Logged in and everything
[22:39:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... sounds like the load balancer is trying to balance to hydrogen again then.
[22:39:40] <janrinok> Its slow but eventually gets there
[22:40:40] <HwS> I was able to post
[22:41:16] <HwS> NCommander sure reacted quickly to that text. Almost super human
[22:41:23] * Ethanol-fueled just balanced his load all over the shower bottom
[22:41:23] <janrinok> Well I've confirmed that there are enough stories queued that I can go to bed - cu guys tomorrow or over the w/e
[22:41:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> nite
[22:41:39] <ciri> good nite TheMightyBuzzard
[22:41:42] <Ethanol-fueled> peace, janrinok
[22:41:43] <HwS> Have a good one, janrinok
[22:41:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> eat a dick, ciri
[22:41:50] <Ethanol-fueled> eat some snails for me.
[22:41:55] <janrinok> thx all cu
[22:41:59] <Ethanol-fueled> hahah @ Buzzard
[22:42:01] <janrinok> will do - bye
[22:42:03] <BlackHole> janrinok, bye!
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[22:42:06] <Ethanol-fueled> good journal post by the way.
[22:42:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> grassy ass
[22:42:17] <Ethanol-fueled> lotta moderation-related journal posts lately.
[22:42:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're bout to do some reworking in prep for meta-mod
[22:42:46] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, any details?
[22:42:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> just no consensus how yet.
[22:43:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> very good chance of having an agree/disagree separate from moderation though.
[22:43:58] <HwS> I'm of two minds on that ...
[22:44:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> so you can point out that you think someone's a dick without shutting them up
[22:44:28] <HwS> Can we have a default setting for "Everyone is a dick but me"?
[22:44:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> HwS, always been mine and i'm not always sure about me
[22:45:01] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, the problem with that is that the definition of "dick" is nebulous.
[22:45:24] <Ethanol-fueled> For example, I post a racial slur and say white people are snow-apes. And that's it. Yeah, that's a shitpost.
[22:45:25] <HwS> I'm sure about me but I just don't always admit it ;-)
[22:45:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is why agree/disagree doesn't count for anything
[22:45:33] <Ethanol-fueled> yeah...
[22:46:03] <HwS> Another way that my vote doesn't count? WooHoo! Every day is election day on SN!
[22:46:08] <Ethanol-fueled> But all the other ideas were great, re "mod-bombing" and it would be better for the community if there was some kind of forcing of the point spread. More people would feel validated and rewarded.
[22:46:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> HwS, it's mostly for the people who feel the need to shout you down so they don't do it with mods
[22:46:36] <Ethanol-fueled> I do believe a limit should be placed on one person modding another, both upward and downward.
[22:46:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> when metamod gets in doing that will become very, very costly.
[22:46:52] <HwS> Ahh ... well, at least they're thinking about me ;-)
[22:46:54] <Ethanol-fueled> To prevent vendettas and sockpuppet mod armies.
[22:47:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> a bad downmod will cost you 10x what a good upmod gains you if i end up getting to decide
[22:47:30] <bryan> when technocrat relaunched, they had 2 moderation buttons - one for "comportment" (behavior) and one for "content"
[22:47:46] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard -- if something like letting a user see their entire comment history is "thrashing the database," then why implement metamod soon?
[22:48:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> bryan, not a bad idea but i think it would strain a brain or two to differentiate while angry.
[22:48:06] <bryan> http://technocrat.net - 5th paragraph down
[22:48:07] <Ethanol-fueled> bryan - are you the bryan from pipedot?
[22:48:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, it doesn't really thrash the db, just does compared to our normal load.
[22:48:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> so maybe 1% load spikes instead of 0.1%
[22:48:58] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard - but for a startup with no real corporate backing, I can see the concern.
[22:49:00] <bryan> Ethanol-fueled: depends on if you are wielding any pitchforks or not, im still liking my wounds from a few days ago
[22:49:05] * TheMightyBuzzard pulls numbers out of his ass.
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[22:49:35] <Ethanol-fueled> bryan - no way, in fact I've said many times that SN could use a more pleasing design like pipedot.
[22:49:35] <HwS> TheMightyBuzzard, those Linode servers can handle it
[22:49:43] <crutchy> hmm looks like in past 7 hrs there were 200-odd comments added
[22:49:47] <bryan> kk, cool, then ya i am :P
[22:49:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, crutchy
[22:50:00] <crutchy> definitely not feeding to this channel
[22:50:07] <crutchy> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[22:50:08] <exec> * crutchy slides a pair of used panties full of milo to TheMightyBuzzard
[22:50:20] <Ethanol-fueled> ~define milo
[22:50:21] <exec> [soylent] milo: http://en.wikipedia.org
[22:50:57] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, why would you want to cover the sweet, sweet musk of used panties with milo?
[22:51:30] <Thesis> Server take a dump? Can't login. Throwing a 503 error.
[22:51:31] <crutchy> dunno. there's a few other randomly selected beverages
[22:51:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> Thesis, we're having issues, yep, and the admins are all out of pocket.
[22:52:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> we think they've run off with all the subs money to play the nickel slots in vegas.
[22:52:22] <crutchy> aren't we in the money
[22:52:24] <crutchy> oh
[22:52:38] <Thesis> No problem, just seeing if there really was an issue or if anyone was aware.
[22:52:40] * Ethanol-fueled is too poor at the moment to get one...gimme two weeks.
[22:52:40] <crutchy> good idea
[22:52:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, one admin is moving and the other is likely asleep
[22:53:09] <crutchy> ah, starfish eh
[22:53:11] <Thesis> I can relate to that... Just moved myself.
[22:53:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> bout to in a few months myself
[22:53:25] <crutchy> oh you mean different sort of moving
[22:53:29] <HwS> back to 503's
[22:53:48] <crutchy> they're pretty
[22:53:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> really feeling it's load balancer thinking it should route half to hydrogen but i can't even check
[22:54:07] <HwS> Can we still discuss a site name change? the503site.com & .org are available ;-)
[22:54:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha!
[22:54:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, mrcoolbp paulej72 ping
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[22:55:06] <HwS> 100% packet loss
[22:55:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[22:55:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait, i can check if fluorine is up
[22:55:45] <crutchy> there has to be a committee meeting to establish procedures for the department of board agendas to draft a motion to table a chair for initiating a site name change
[22:55:58] <HwS> just don't throw the chair
[22:56:14] <Lagg> NCommander: Is the issues with the site right now occurring because of load
[22:56:39] <Lagg> I need to know since I want more people on the site to look at my gold star.
[22:56:40] <HwS> load? No. Load Balancer? Probably
[22:56:46] <HwS> Ha!
[22:57:01] <HwS> Lagg, you got a gold str from the rest of us a long time ago ;-)
[22:57:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> Lagg, load no. we were serving up like 85% from cache and almost no db load.
[22:57:25] * Lagg is speshul
[22:57:37] <BlackHole> TheMightyBuzzard, i just texted mrcoolbp. that officially exhausts my list of contacts.
[22:57:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> cool cool, he's only at work
[22:58:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> he can't fix it, mind you, but he can likely call PJ
[22:58:02] <Lagg> TheMightyBuzzard: Oh, so did one of the upstreams go down
[22:58:10] <Lagg> or whatever apache's silly ass calls them
[22:58:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> Lagg, both apache front ends are down at the moment.
[22:58:40] <HwS> If we just made the Lish login public we all could help out in this type of situation. What could possibly go wrong?
[22:59:10] <Lagg> Having a public user to log in with would be one hell of a pen test
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[23:00:27] <Lagg> TheMightyBuzzard: You know stuff like this is one of the few reasons it's really good to have a readership composed mostly of people who admin servers a lot.
[23:00:44] <Lagg> Not because of any technical expertise, but because subscriptions.
[23:00:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth. we need to hire another one or two.
[23:00:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> pay them twice what we pay pj
[23:01:09] <Lagg> I guarantee that almost everyone will be fine with it going down despite them paying in because they know this stuff happens.
[23:01:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, yup
[23:01:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> and the winner is... gluster!
[23:01:35] <HwS> One of my Linodes had a hardware issue the other morning. It happens.
[23:01:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> got the cpu on fluorine maxed out
[23:01:49] <Lagg> So they're a bunch of pedantic, opinionated, anal retentive pricks sometimes but damnit they will tolerate downtime!
[23:02:00] <crutchy> xlefay had a switch punch him in the nose
[23:02:06] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, really lagg. This crowd is confusing.
[23:02:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, wtf you talkin about. you're one of us.
[23:02:57] <crutchy> but Ethanol-fueled makes perfect sense... all tits n ass
[23:03:04] <Lagg> No he's not, Ethanol-fueled is probably the nicest fact-checking easy going people I've ever seen
[23:03:22] <HwS> Lagg, I second your motion
[23:03:46] <Ethanol-fueled> It's the contrast that does it, like Nirvana songs.
[23:04:02] <crutchy> oh yeah he definitely not one of us. all we know is coffee++ and natalie potmans bewbs
[23:04:25] <Lagg> Okay I have to settle this right now. What the FUCK was that petrified natalie portman thing
[23:04:34] <Lagg> You reminded me of it, now we settle it
[23:04:38] <Ethanol-fueled> lagg - what are you talking about?
[23:04:40] <BlackHole> mrcoolbp texted me back!
[23:04:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay. i'm out for dinner since i can't fix anything. one of you lot tell the first admin you see that gluster hath shat itself again, pretty please.
[23:04:54] <Lagg> Ethanol-fueled: I don't know! It was this bizarre meme a while ago on slashdot
[23:05:05] <BlackHole> he said: "working for me" ... "oh wait..." :D
[23:05:24] <Lagg> I thought that it was some kind of reference to the torture scene in goya's ghosts but that's obscure even for that crowd
[23:05:41] <HwS> Don't eat too much, and don't eat too fast, and finish all of your vegetables, etc, etc
[23:07:39] <crutchy> gluster should be renamed shitster
[23:07:45] <Ethanol-fueled> hahah, I can't log in anymore.
[23:07:54] <Lagg> and now I'm in another one of those situations where I know of a movie and am embarassed that I know of it. Damn you guys
[23:07:57] <Ethanol-fueled> Banned again. Oh well, I guess I could go to Pipedot.
[23:08:11] <crutchy> banned?!
[23:08:22] <Lagg> Nobody can log in Ethanol-fueled, what are you on about
[23:08:38] <HwS> He spent his money on booze instead of a subscription. This is just payback
[23:08:40] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, Ncommander e-mailed me and told me that I was going to scare away subscribers, and that it was a tough decision yadda yadda, but a unanimous one.
[23:09:00] <crutchy> maybe he got the 'you have performed an illegal operation and will we tortured with muffins' message?
[23:09:13] <crutchy> oh wtf?
[23:09:19] <Lagg> Pfft, probably 95% of the subscriptions were /because/ of you Ethanol-fueled. I know mine was.
[23:09:24] <HwS> No one every expects the comfy pillow
[23:09:42] <Lagg> People just couldn't believe that you actually made an account and when they saw that you did they just had to put money into that
[23:10:07] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm just joking about Ncommander and all that, hahah
[23:10:07] <HwS> I bought my sub so I could turn teh star off and be a rebel
[23:10:15] <Lagg> and now in all likelihood someone else has taken over the mantle of "-- Ethanol-fueled" at slashdot
[23:10:52] <Ethanol-fueled> Lagg - One disappointing thing about the other site was that one of their best professional trolls -- Jocktroll -- mellowed out and actually started seriously participating.
[23:11:23] <Ethanol-fueled> after writing grandiose 50-page troll-treatises, sometimes it's refreshing to see a simple "fuck you"
[23:11:34] <Ethanol-fueled> ...if you're an easily-amused idiot, at least, haha
[23:11:36] <Lagg> Never heard of him and I browsed at -2 basically.
[23:11:39] <HwS> OK ... fuck you
[23:11:50] * Ethanol-fueled chuckles
[23:12:27] <crutchy> is he related to apk?
[23:12:46] <crutchy> omg i said his name
[23:12:52] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, apk was but one of many good professional trolls there.
[23:12:53] <HwS> Did someone mention the hosts file?
[23:12:54] <Lagg> Okay so I take it no one knows what I'm talking about with the natalie portman thing. Figures. It was an ancient and tired meme shortly after it started anyway.
[23:13:30] <Ethanol-fueled> Lagg, wasn't it just a bunch of horny and dirty men circle-jerking over a marginally-attractive but wooden Jewish actress?
[23:13:47] <Ethanol-fueled> I mean, women are hot, yeah, but there are way better women than Natalie Portman.
[23:14:02] <Lagg> Ethanol-fueled: I know that professional trolling entails a form of self-satire where it's hard to tell if it's for real or not but this guy went to the point of linking to binaries that look like a serious project
[23:14:02] <HwS> crutchy, I think you have to say it three times like "Beetlejuice"
[23:14:23] <Lagg> Ethanol-fueled: Is that where the petrified part comes from? That her acting is wooden?
[23:14:28] <Lagg> Well that's anti-climactic
[23:14:32] <Ethanol-fueled> Lagg - and good for him - he had a distinctive style and rolled with it.
[23:14:38] <crutchy> she induces hardness
[23:14:48] <HwS> don't you mean "trolled with it"?
[23:15:19] <Lagg> Then wouldn't the phrase be "portman petrified penis" or some other crap like this. No, I think the description was applied to her.
[23:15:33] <Lagg> Ethanol-fueled: I'm about 96% he was earnest
[23:15:47] <Lagg> and probably russian
[23:17:04] <Ethanol-fueled> Lagg -- he was like one of those gifted but unworkable bums who posted those insightful warnings from the downtown library.
[23:17:54] <Lagg> Did he ever post anything different though? All I saw is the same message but with the footnotes replaced by different and consistently irrelevant URLs
[23:18:12] <Ethanol-fueled> His messages varied in length and postings, but all contained the same theme.
[23:18:20] <Lagg> I wish he would have said something like that he replaced iptables with hosts file :
[23:18:23] <crutchy> open sores?
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[23:35:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Flagship Store in San Francisco Fills with Protestors - http://sylnt.us - definitely-not-fanbois
[23:36:12] <Ethanol-fueled> Bender, can I see the comments at -1?
[23:37:49] <crutchy> bunch of fucking entitlement bums run out of welfare moneys and want their next iphone for free
[23:39:06] <chromas> Hmmm. Apple and SF belong together. Fags for life, man!
[23:39:15] <crutchy> SF?
[23:39:22] <Lagg> Super fly
[23:39:25] <crutchy> ah
[23:40:04] <Lagg> Apple are arrogant jackasses though, I mean that surprises exactly no one even vaguely familiar with Steve and everyone who isn't woz but wow
[23:40:26] <swiss> gettin a 503 from soylent
[23:40:42] <Lagg> I don't know who I dislike more, the employees for being stupid enough to work for apple or for apple to assume that they're gods and are within their right to pat down their own employees because they think their crap is good enough to steal
[23:40:51] <Lagg> http://www.cnet.com just read this
[23:40:59] <swiss> ah
[23:41:01] <Ethanol-fueled> that's the funny part -- and painful for apple -- this is the point where Apple has to reconcile their high-end image with their low-end practices.
[23:41:04] <chromas> No 503 here but logging in redirects me to the login page
[23:41:45] <chromas> When they pat down their employees, they're checking for too many buttons
[23:41:52] <Ethanol-fueled> well, besides the foxconn suicides and, well, that thanks to COMPIZ-FUSION Linux is the baddest and flashiest operating system on the PLANEt
[23:41:53] <chromas> Touch, don't click
[23:41:55] <Ethanol-fueled> YEEEEAAAAHHHHH!
[23:41:58] <Lagg> Ethanol-fueled: You'd think so but how come that didn't happen long before Steve's incompetence ass bit the dust
[23:42:21] <Lagg> *incompetent
[23:42:38] <crutchy> i have no apple products but steve jobs seemed like a pretty smart guy. a lot of rich people get rich by sucking on the government tit, but apple has actually sold shit that people want (even though i have absolutely nfi why)
[23:42:48] <Lagg> I will never forget some of the ridiculous stuff this guy has pulled, like the pretty circuit boards. People know this but they delude themselves into thinking that both him and apple are godly and do no wrong
[23:42:56] <Ethanol-fueled> Lagg: populism was less of an issue now large corporations are having their feet held to the fire about cutting costs with respect to the little guy.
[23:43:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> glusterfsd 1.36G Res
[23:43:30] <crutchy> apple only uses foreign labor because US labor is fucked in the ass
[23:43:36] <Lagg> Ethanol-fueled: Hope you're right, because it'll be a pretty damn entertaining sequence of events
[23:43:53] <Ethanol-fueled> lagg: define "pretty circuit boards"
[23:43:55] <crutchy> too many welfare bums that expect to be paid a fortune for sitting on their ass doing nothing
[23:44:18] <Lagg> Ethanol-fueled: Basically, Steve in his infinite knowledge had an engineer redesign a board because the traces and diodes weren't "pretty" enough.
[23:44:28] <Lagg> It really summarizes apple and him in one sentence
[23:44:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, you mean the union workers or actual welfare recipients?
[23:44:40] <Lagg> Bus speeds, chip proximity, WHO CARES, OUR SHIT IS PURDY
[23:44:59] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, it is actually a pretty ingenious strategy....anytime a corporation has a rep, and the little disgruntled guy who's seen all the shit has information counter to the rep, the little guy will use it as leverage.
[23:45:08] <crutchy> i don't have a problem with unions (only when government gets involved in them)
[23:45:17] <Ethanol-fueled> lagg, can you post a schematic or pic as proof?
[23:45:40] <Lagg> Ethanol-fueled: I would give you the link but I can't remember for the life of me where I read it. Will try looking.
[23:46:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, i do. they milk 2x what the going rate is for equal labor out of the company PLUS cadillac benefits.
[23:46:08] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy, there are unions which rightfully protect workers in the U.S. and there are some unions, like the border guards' union, which are redundant.
[23:46:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> which means the company employs less people
[23:46:30] <Lagg> Ethanol-fueled: BWAHAHA, I just found a story that is slightly before what I'm thinking of but pretty much exactly the same old pattern
[23:46:41] <Lagg> http://www.folklore.org so he's pulled this crap twice
[23:46:56] <crutchy> unions can (and have) destroyed companies, but people should have the right to form them if they feel the need
[23:47:08] <crutchy> they just shouldn't have government behind them
[23:47:11] <Lagg> That is lower than low right there. Because wire wrapped prototypes aren't hard enough to design already.
[23:47:19] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, while I agree with you, things are starting to swing back into the ol' Triangle Shirtwaist fire days. It's a second-order differential equation between workers reaching the breaking point and greedy business managers.
[23:48:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, right but if we gotta start doing unions again, we needa get rid of the corrupt, greedy, lardasses first.
[23:48:14] <Lagg> That was in the 80. Now I'm wondering just how many times he did this. Because wow.
[23:48:48] <Ethanol-fueled> agreed. Buzzard/
[23:48:49] <Lagg> I can just imagine him sitting there telling the guys who were doing the iphone boards to push the CPU into the upper left corner and the memory bus to the lower right or something
[23:49:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> is simple. you go around to each union and if they're making more than 1.5x comparable salaries for comparable work, you break the union.
[23:49:42] <Lagg> and people tell me I'm grim because I don't care at all whatsoever that someone so harmful to good engineering keeled over
[23:50:40] <Ethanol-fueled> Devil's advocate defense of Steve Jobs: in those days, the majority of people who bought computers were themselves the only ones who had the training to understand computers. And most people who understood computers on that level, like most now, have no common sense. They have no self-actualization, and could be subconsciously swayed by pretty things.
[23:50:44] <Lagg> but yeah that's what I'm talking about Ethanol-fueled. I doubt stories like that are rare, yet people insist on holding apple on a pedestal. I'd be a whole lot less depressed if what you're saying came to pass though.
[23:51:47] <Lagg> That would be a good point but ever since the first betrayal after the ][ I've been doubting more and more his understanding of computers.
[23:52:02] <Lagg> We mustn't forget that wozniak and the shops he basically stole from were the brain behind the operation.
[23:52:44] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, I'm becoming too intoxicated to argue with you, but I will finish with this final point -- Foreign labor will always accept the minimum wage. Is it fair to break a union of reasonably-skilled workers because they are unwilling to work for minimum wage?
[23:53:00] <Lagg> and I know I might seem rabid about this but I really loved apple at one point. I liked the mac, it was fun to write code on. Then they went and fucked it all up and now we have OSX and i-It's-good-because-it's-thin
[23:53:21] <arti> crutchy: not ture
[23:53:29] <arti> the apple trashcan thing
[23:53:32] <arti> murica
[23:53:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, not talking minimum wage or even skilled workers. most union jobs are unskilled and make 2-3x minimum wage.
[23:54:07] <Lagg> Are you guys really arguing the benefits of unionizing
[23:54:21] <Lagg> I could understand that if our respective fields were actually unionized, but this is weird
[23:54:30] <Ethanol-fueled> unskilled my ass, there are plumbers, carpenters, electricians...tell me how, since they all have to pass tests and demonstrate knowledge to get their feet in the door, how they are "unskilled".
[23:54:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> most of those aren't union
[23:55:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> most are independent contractors
[23:55:04] <Lagg> Carpenters are but they might as well not be
[23:55:15] <arti> shouldn't the question be where did ours go, instead of why are they being paid so much?
[23:55:17] <Ethanol-fueled> Lagg: a union electrician with less training than I have makes more than an electronics tech, when corrected for years' experience.
[23:55:36] <arti> some electricians burn out :D
[23:55:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> but every union shop starts their shovel jockeys, drivers, and comparable unskilled labor at obscene wages.
[23:55:39] <Lagg> Out of anyone including myself who did a stint of it my dad was the only one who was actually in a union
[23:55:58] <Ethanol-fueled> that's because electricians are typically union, electronics techs despite their knowledge have no choice but to work for non-union shops.
[23:56:05] <Lagg> and hilariously enough, my dad also managed to cut part of his toe off. Don't know what that says about unionized carpenters
[23:56:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, i dunno where you get this but most electricians are independent contractors.
[23:56:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> no union for them in any way shape or form
[23:57:02] <Lagg> Wait, so let me be clear on this between you two
[23:57:10] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard: that's even worse, because it means they have to hustle up their own work. Some are good at it and are comfortable, others are not.
[23:57:14] <Lagg> Who is generally approving of unions, and who isn't
[23:57:18] <arti> lagg, he had a level 19 saw, and he was level 22, but he rolled low on his skill roll
[23:57:32] <arti> thus the injury
[23:57:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, exactly. those who aren't good need to be doing something else because THEY'RE NOT GOOD AT IT
[23:57:54] <Ethanol-fueled> I approve of unions provided they kick out the lazy fucks and allow a path of advancement for any motivated individual who shows aptitude and work ethic.
[23:58:01] <Lagg> arti: So basically he was a demigod with a legendary saw that botched his to hit roll and sliced his toe off.
[23:58:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> Lagg, i'm hating on unskilled labor getting paid $20+/hr
[23:58:14] <Lagg> arti: I can see this occurring.
[23:58:20] <arti> lagg, just as crits occur, so can "bad" rolls
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[23:58:35] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard: some computer geniuses can barely interact in social settings. Does that mean they suck at their job?
[23:58:38] <Lagg> Goddamnit I want to play some RPGs again :(
[23:58:43] <Lagg> arti: Ever play gurps
[23:59:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, i'm one of em and yes if interacting with people is part of the job.
[23:59:17] <Ethanol-fueled> Fair enough.
[23:59:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> thankfully i made a job for myself where it's not but i do have to hustle at times.
[23:59:31] <arti> i have not, rifts/robotech
[23:59:34] <Lagg> I'm considering learning it since I haven't played D&D in forever and from what I hear of the last few editions I was right to stop. I want to learn how to play again though and found gurps which looks like the refined codebase of tabletop RPGs
[23:59:47] * arti likes the rulesystems
[23:59:56] <arti> make it so you can do an npc bot on irc.