#Soylent | Logs for 2014-08-27
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[00:00:09] <prospectacle> funpika, looks good
[00:00:39] <SpallsHurgenson> no, although I did stomp around in a tide pool for a bit. Mostly I just swam and enjoyed the booming waves :)
[00:01:12] <SpallsHurgenson> does "slight sunburn on my nose" count as a reason to take a sick-day tomorrow? :-)
[00:01:31] <juggs> that could be fatal!
[00:01:31] <prospectacle> SpallsHurgenson, that's exactly why sick days were invented
[00:01:49] <prospectacle> You don't want to risk giving it to other people at the office
[00:02:47] <SpallsHurgenson> it could happen. "Gee, you got some nice color, where did you go?" "I went to the beach yesterday." "Oh, sounds great, I should go too...." (two days later) "Aaargh, the pain, I am all burninated!"
[00:03:48] <juggs> Best you go to the beach in their place I'd say, save them the risk.
[00:03:49] <prospectacle> yes, memes can be just as infections as viruses.... and just as deadly
[00:04:10] <SpallsHurgenson> yes, I think I am obligated to stay away from work until I am returned to my normal pasty nerd-coloration :)
[00:04:26] <juggs> mid december?
[00:04:46] <SpallsHurgenson> it's for the good of my co-workers!
[00:07:51] <SpallsHurgenson> wait... did the board meeting get delayed AGAIN?
[00:08:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, it was just that fast
[00:08:07] <JamesNZ> SpallsHurgenson: Very considerate of you ;)
[00:08:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> wham, bam, you can haz store and subscriptions.
[00:09:00] <SpallsHurgenson> probably more like: wham, bam, let's do this tomorrow
[00:09:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> go read the buffer
[00:09:45] <SpallsHurgenson> and let FACTS get involved with my speculations? Never!
[00:09:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> wildcard cert is still up in the air but stocks were taken off the table until down the road a ways.
[00:11:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> i missed the whole thing cause i went and ate half a pizza in front of the tv
[00:11:15] <SpallsHurgenson> damn, I know several people I would like to see put in the stocks
[00:13:32] * juggs hides
[00:14:14] * TheMightyBuzzard goes to do the washing up before it gets bedtime and becomes roach bait
[00:15:12] * SpallsHurgenson prefers the superfluous application of toxic chemicals to all surfaces of the home
[00:22:56] * prospectacle just cooks the roaches for dinner the next day
[00:23:01] <prospectacle> Synergy
[00:24:25] <chromas> Their children get the leftovers
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[00:30:09] <juggs> chromas, doesn't that lead to mad roach disease ultimately?
[00:30:24] <chromas> Only if you let them watch tv
[00:37:06] <chromas> food++
[00:37:06] <Bender> karma - food: 1
[00:41:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Carbon Sequestration: Game on the Line. - http://sylnt.us - it-was-never-going-to-be-easy
[00:43:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[00:43:19] <Bender> karma - coffee: 676
[00:50:04] <prospectacle> can't fight the tide
[00:50:07] <prospectacle> coffee++
[00:50:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 677
[00:55:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> prospectacle, peer pressure be upon you
[00:56:39] <prospectacle> Well keeping it at 666 looks like a distant dream in the light of a 676. It's best I move on with my life.
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[00:58:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's because coffee energizes its fans while its detractors must make do with piddly tea.
[01:02:18] <prospectacle> oh ho, don't get me started on the wonders drinking both, we'll be here all day
[01:03:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> tea is fine when you DON'T want to be awake. for everything else, there's coffee.
[01:05:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dig a nice earl grey in the evenings when i'm seeing sleep issues on the horizon. most evenings i can drink a half pot of coffee and sleep fine though.
[01:09:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> random ear worm: https://www.youtube.com
[01:09:14] <monopoly> ^ 03Rednex - Cotton Eye Joe - YouTube
[01:09:50] <prospectacle> Yes drug tolerance is a marvellou thing. Some days I'll have three or four double shots before lunch and think
[01:10:00] <prospectacle> "maybe if I cut down I could do the same with less, but who has time for that"
[01:12:05] <chromas> monopoly: s/nex/'n'Xs/
[01:12:05] <SedBot2000> <chromas> <monopoly> ^ 03Red'n'Xs - Cotton Eye Joe - YouTube
[01:17:24] <chromas> https://youtube.com
[01:17:26] <monopoly> ^ 03The Civil War on Drugs Chapter 2 - The Whitest Kids U'Know on IFC - YouTube ( https://www.youtube.com )
[01:23:45] <prospectacle> https://www.youtube.com
[01:23:46] <monopoly> ^ 03Primus - "American Life" - Bonnaroo 2011 (Official Video) | Bonnaroo365 - YouTube
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[01:38:29] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle, got a pic of the mug?
[01:40:44] <matt_> mrcoolbp, mine is here, in case you forgot =D http://imgur.com
[01:40:45] <monopoly> ^ 03imgur: the simple image sharer
[01:41:49] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, I'll take one...
[01:43:13] <juggs> that looks good matt_ - I hadn't realised the rim and handle colours were customisable. I am encouraged that this initial feedback on quality is positive.
[01:44:26] <matt_> juggs, yep, it seems like the construction is pretty solid. the store interface really doesn't make it obvious that there are lots of customizable options for many of the products.
[01:46:32] <juggs> matt_, yep, that was one issue we noted when setting it all up. It comes down to either going with zazzle's less than ideal discoverability of customisation options or listing each and every variant individually. The latter option becomes simply ridiculous once you get into the clothing range.
[01:47:26] * mrcoolbp shudders at the thought of making more items
[01:48:08] <prospectacle> http://imgur.com
[01:48:08] <monopoly> ^ 03imgur: the simple image sharer
[01:48:18] <juggs> PTSD mrcoolbp. Who the hell knew mug designs could result in that?
[01:48:38] <juggs> At least we have the right images now :D
[01:49:10] <prospectacle> s/ht/this is my mug: ht/
[01:49:10] <SedBot2000> <prospectacle> this is my mug: http://imgur.com
[01:49:22] <mrcoolbp> nice
[01:50:22] <prospectacle> The finish is really quite solid. I'm guessing it has an extra layer of glaze or something, as the mug appears to be made in china but shipped from the U.S.
[01:50:37] <prospectacle> So they must print them in america + extra glaze to protect the image, then ship.
[01:50:50] <prospectacle> or something
[01:52:12] <mrcoolbp> that, or they print on the unglazed mugs, then glaze them
[01:52:17] <juggs> I'd order a mug with "juggs [ID]" on it - but I fear that may be misinterpreted in pretty much any environment. And woe betide me if I go with juggs++ - I probably wouldn't survive half a day wandering around toting that.
[01:52:41] * mrcoolbp dares you to try it
[01:53:12] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, That's what I thought, but if you look at the bottom it says "Orca coating, made in china" and the bottom looks (if I'm not mistaken) slightly less glazed than the rest of it.
[01:53:27] <mrcoolbp> hmm
[01:53:31] * mrcoolbp examines his
[01:54:11] <juggs> The problem is certain types of people wouldn't use it as a point to talk on, they'd be straight off to HR claiming they feel harassed or something. Just my luck to be fired for harassing someone with an effin mug!
[01:54:26] <prospectacle> anyway it's a damn fine mug. How much did SN get from my purchasing of it, if you don't mind me asking
[01:54:33] <juggs> prospectacle, how long was the shipping time?
[01:55:08] <prospectacle> juggs, it was two days sooner than UPS originally estimated, hang on I'll check...
[01:55:22] <prospectacle> juggs, and I'm on the other side of the world
[01:55:27] <prospectacle> although I paid for fast shipping
[01:56:16] <juggs> that's keen :D Perhaps you should have gone with bespoke mug text SN Mug [#3]
[01:56:30] <juggs> Oooh - gives me n idea for a limited range :D
[01:56:45] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: $7.12 USD
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[01:57:43] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, not so bad. Especially if lots people buy them, and also subscribe.
[01:58:58] <prospectacle> juggs: I ordered on the 20th, it was created and shipped on the 21st and delivered on the 25th
[01:59:00] <juggs> I'll be going for some of those bags - great for lumping groceries into the boot (trunk) of the car. Good timing as I think we're introducing a plastic carrier bad levy here soon (about time).
[02:00:03] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle, we tried to hit the knee of the curve on total royalty/affordability, thanks for the feedback
[02:00:13] <juggs> prospectacle, that's pretty good turn around for made to order :D
[02:00:26] <prospectacle> juggs, I agree
[02:01:21] <mrcoolbp> and shipped across the globe
[02:02:21] <prospectacle> yeah ups was great. I think this is the first time I've bought something physical online, so I wanted to see its progress
[02:02:43] <prospectacle> all in all my mug cost me $60aud but it was a fun experience and now I have a mug.
[02:03:30] <juggs> must be air freight if that truly is the case, or mebbe zazzle have a customise and ship facility on each continent. I know the availability of various items depends on locality, so the latter seems likely, especially for the more high volume lines.
[02:03:59] <mrcoolbp> bryan: ping
[02:04:00] <juggs> prospectacle, oooh - did you get UPS tracking info?
[02:04:53] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: there will be affiliate links to websites in other countries at launch, might be better prices for .au
[02:05:50] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: how much was shipping?
[02:05:59] <mrcoolbp> that seems high
[02:06:09] <mrcoolbp> $60 USD?
[02:06:20] <prospectacle> juggs: http://imgur.com
[02:06:21] <monopoly> ^ 03imgur: the simple image sharer
[02:06:36] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, shipping was about the same as the mug, as I said I paid express, see above img
[02:06:51] <prospectacle> and paypal calculated and AUD to be about 0.9 USD at the time
[02:07:10] <mrcoolbp> oh I see, rush shipping
[02:10:10] <pbnjoe> ... did I miss the announcement that the store's up?
[02:10:39] <pbnjoe> or was that a test purchase
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[02:11:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Open Schools Later so Teens Can Lie In, Say US Doctors. - http://sylnt.us - and-teachers-can-work-later...
[02:11:46] <juggs> pbnjoe, it's kinda up for ircolytes :D General announcement is pending people being concious enough to formulate it. http://www.zazzle.com*
[02:11:50] <monopoly> ^ 03Soylentnews | Zazzle.com Store
[02:12:08] <pbnjoe> well holy crap :)
[02:12:46] <pbnjoe> "Accesories"?
[02:12:48] <pbnjoe> :p
[02:13:37] <juggs> UGH!! Good catch pbnjoe !
[02:13:56] <pbnjoe> np
[02:14:29] <juggs> I swear hen you spend more than a few minutes on zazzle you become snow blind and miss stuff like that.
[02:14:33] <juggs> when*
[02:17:31] <juggs> ... and fixed... I think
[02:18:55] <pbnjoe> yep!
[02:19:05] <pbnjoe> Ctrl+F5'd and it changed
[02:20:59] <juggs> Suspect we may need to revisit our store categories as they are overlapping and confuzzling with the zazzle "Departments".
[02:21:03] <pbnjoe> 117 styles? jeez
[02:21:10] <juggs> clothing?
[02:21:12] <pbnjoe> yeah
[02:21:47] <pbnjoe> the bacon++ item is in accessories and not drinkware
[02:22:13] <juggs> hey - there's stuff for toddlers in there - who wouldn't want to put their toddler in an SN branded wrapper :D
[02:22:38] <pbnjoe> :p
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[02:23:49] <prospectacle> I got my car serviced and they put a nice branded brushed metal bottle opener keyrigng on my key when they gave it back. One day within a year I want to replace it with a SN one.
[02:24:32] <prospectacle> or usb stick.
[02:24:40] <juggs> bacon++ mug reassigned to drinkware :D Thanks again pbnjoe. This is why many eyes make light wor :D
[02:24:40] <Bender> karma - bacon: 249
[02:24:52] <juggs> k
[02:24:54] <prospectacle> no pressure mrcoolbp, I think you deserve a long tropical vacation first
[02:25:11] <Popeidol> I actually had a dream about a soylent news mug last night
[02:25:14] <Popeidol> clearly the branding is working
[02:25:17] <pbnjoe> np juggs, least I can do for being given store knowledge
[02:25:51] <Popeidol> which isn't somebody you want in an ad anyway
[02:26:06] <juggs> Popeidol, first we come for your dreams and then we come for your 1st born! muahahaha
[02:26:23] <pbnjoe> ... so we can put it in an adorable branded hoodie
[02:27:09] <juggs> ... or sacrifice it to the volcano god protecting the HQ bunker
[02:27:45] <pbnjoe> juggs: s/or/and/
[02:27:45] <SedBot2000> <pbnjoe> <juggs> ... and sacrifice it to the volcano god protecting the HQ bunker
[02:28:37] <juggs> ~shrug~ guess that's works too - saves mopping up the blood afterwards
[02:29:02] <juggs> eh - where did that 's come from?? I swear I didn't type that
[02:29:12] <pbnjoe> putting the child into a hoodie would make a bloody mess?
[02:29:19] <pbnjoe> ah
[02:30:59] <pbnjoe> how long've you been working on the store?
[02:30:59] <ciri> doing good, and you?
[02:31:15] <pbnjoe> I didn't ask, so shut it ciri
[02:31:38] <juggs> pbnjoe, /ignore ciri if it annoys
[02:31:46] <pbnjoe> I just like trash talking it
[02:32:39] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: if you want to buy me a tropical vacation instead of a bottle opener, I'm fine with that
[02:34:12] * pbnjoe can't decide what he wants
[02:35:45] <juggs> pbnjoe, We went through a little mad rush a few weeks back getting it up. Then re-did everything a few times due to misunderstandings over image quality related stuff. The zazzle interface is a time vacuum - one minute you're sliding an image onto a mug on Monday morning, the next thing you know it's Friday and your legs have been chewed off by starving rats. Most bizarre.
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[02:36:13] <pbnjoe> that's the vibe I was getting
[02:40:19] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, kickstart it and I'm in for whatever level gets me a postcard
[02:40:42] <mrcoolbp> = )
[02:41:04] * prospectacle with bbl
[02:41:06] <pbnjoe> two things: am I blocking something or are there no icons for the ratings of products etc? secondly, aw man, why're the only custom uid shirts white?
[02:41:14] <prospectacle> s/with/will/
[02:41:14] <SedBot2000> <prospectacle> will bbl
[02:41:48] <mrcoolbp> pbnjoe: hmm, custom black UID shirts? That'll cost ya....
[02:43:14] <pbnjoe> so does the custom uid keychain but I can find *that* in the store ;)
[02:43:52] <juggs> pbnjoe, ratings / reviews should be visible - may have to unblock campanja.com (not sure what that hauls in)
[02:44:39] <juggs> pbnjoe, you mean this? http://www.zazzle.com
[02:46:04] <juggs> pbnjoe, need zcache.com too if you are using RequestPolicy ~sigh - sometimes this whitelisting approach is beyond tedious ~
[02:46:30] <pbnjoe> juggs, I mean icons such as the ratings star or the icon for viewing a larger image are just boxes with with alphanumerals in them, and yes, I do mean that thing. There's a link for that, but not for black uid t-shirts :p
[02:47:27] <pbnjoe> and I have a browser profile for shopping that really should only be blocking ads; I've not much for addons
[02:47:52] * pbnjoe shrugs
[02:48:33] <juggs> hang on - let me jump to a browser not laden with restrictive plugins.
[02:50:08] <pbnjoe> huh, I guess ghostery or adblock is blocking the images
[02:50:28] <pbnjoe> I can see them in a no-plugin-browser
[02:50:51] <pbnjoe> juggs ^
[02:51:52] <pbnjoe> oh
[02:52:08] <pbnjoe> nope, I've figured it out juggs, it's httpseverywhere
[02:52:42] <juggs> yeh, the star rating appears as a bunch of arrow characters in my laden browser, unladen it shows stars - pretends to be a link but is still unclickable.
[02:53:24] <pbnjoe> yeah
[02:54:14] <juggs> Ahh I have httpseverywhere loaded too - surprised they have a profile for zazzle - wait they don't as I'm still on http. /me shuffles off to look deeper
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[02:54:30] <pbnjoe> juggs, it's partial
[02:56:26] <pbnjoe> juggs, think the profile might be broken
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[02:57:54] <juggs> I don't think so - it's showing as partial for me too. Mixed content no doubt. Gotta love those CDNs.
[02:58:47] <mrcoolbp> juggs: maybe you should help me write a section of the post for tomorrow explaining all this crap
[02:59:18] <pbnjoe> oh wow, the yellow and yellow trucker hat hahaha
[02:59:57] <mrcoolbp> yah, that one is rediculous
[03:00:34] <mrcoolbp> juggs: ug, should we change the custom shirts to allow putting one's Nick + (UID) ?
[03:00:57] <mrcoolbp> I apparently made it just say "UID: XXX" where XXX is the editable field
[03:01:39] <pbnjoe> that would help slightly veil the fact that people will be buying those shirts only to boast their uid, heh
[03:01:41] <juggs> mrcoolbp, sure if you think it would help. TBH, most people wouldn't notice as they don't have such a ridiculous plugin load out as me and pbnjoe and those that do will be the types that can work out why stuff is looking odd. At worst it will cause some rolled eyes :)
[03:02:04] <juggs> mrcoolbp, lemme take a look at that shirt
[03:02:14] <mrcoolbp> yeah, but think of the type of people that frequent SN, I'm guessing y'all arent' alone
[03:04:23] <juggs> As I said - such people are used to sites looking like crud as all the scripts and cross loading of content get knobbled. Wouldn't worry about - same shit happens on pretty much any site these days.
[03:04:36] <mrcoolbp> ah
[03:04:58] <pbnjoe> yeah, I don't think it's anything you can change anyway, unless you bug zazzle to fix it
[03:05:38] <mrcoolbp> yeah, I cant' think right now, I should probably go relax and start back fresh in the morning
[03:05:56] <pbnjoe> sounds good
[03:06:09] <prospectacle> hey subsentient, good to see you
[03:06:13] <juggs> "hey zazzle host all your own stuff behind ssl/tls and don't use distributed CDN" Zazzle: "feck no".
[03:06:23] <Subsentient> hi prospectacle
[03:06:31] <pbnjoe> back in about an hour
[03:08:39] <prospectacle> mmm caesar salad
[03:08:45] <pbnjoe> actually, I'm terrible with time estimates, so I'll change that to "bbl"
[03:09:18] <prospectacle> catch you later pbnjoe
[03:11:22] <juggs> mrcoolbp, looking at that shirt I thought it was deliberate to have UID: hard coded with the number after it customisable. Was that not the intention?
[03:11:45] <mrcoolbp> I think it was at the time
[03:12:03] <juggs> change of mind?
[03:12:16] <mrcoolbp> i dunno, I'm not really high-functioning right now
[03:12:42] <prospectacle> what time is it over there mrcoolbp?
[03:13:08] <mrcoolbp> it's not the time per-say, just recovering from a really hellish last few days
[03:13:10] <juggs> best left til you've SSS+S then mrcoolbp :D
[03:13:16] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[03:13:19] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp++
[03:13:19] <Bender> karma - mrcoolbp: 26
[03:13:23] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp++
[03:13:23] <Bender> karma - mrcoolbp: 27
[03:13:34] <prospectacle> some delicious karma to refresh you
[03:13:42] <mrcoolbp> thanks! gonna veg out for a while before bed
[03:13:57] <juggs> be well
[03:13:58] <ciri> ok juggs
[03:14:02] <mrcoolbp> lol
[03:14:03] <ciri> HEHEHEHE
[03:14:07] <mrcoolbp> thanks, juggs
[03:14:14] <mrcoolbp> later guys
[03:14:29] <prospectacle> later
[03:16:49] * prospectacle puts on a disguise and checks slashdot
[03:22:01] <prospectacle> Can someone explain to me the phrasing in the recent SN story: "Carbon Sequestration: Game on the Line."
[03:22:11] * juggs is feeling somewhat disturbed by the decapitated images on zazzle. All these images with no heads and no hands - reminds me of growing up in Sicily
[03:22:13] <prospectacle> I understand most of the individual words
[03:25:34] <Popeidol> and 'game on the line' as a phrase makes sense
[03:25:43] <Popeidol> it just doesn't seem to actually relate to the summary at all
[03:25:46] <juggs> prospectacle, wish I could. Not sure if it is some odd pun on the two projects coming "online" in 2015 or something related to American Football where the commentators seem to get obsessed about the various yard lines on the pitch :-/
[03:29:13] <juggs> Popeidol, it does? What game is played entirely on a line? Anyways I suspect it is USA-ism, one of our there resident brethren will be along to clarify no doubt.
[03:31:31] <prospectacle> oh, as in "The game is on the line" as in the game is at stake or hangs in the balance?
[03:31:47] <juggs> On a knife edge?
[03:32:17] <prospectacle> as in "It's my ass on the line, detective, you'd better know what you're doing", etc
[03:35:07] <Popeidol> I assume the saying comes from some sport
[03:35:08] <juggs> I just don't understand where the "Game" aspect comes into this. Is it suggesting that Carbon Sequestration is the game that is on the line of being relevant / irrelevant? Meh, it's an energy article - too much money and research budgets hanging on that one to expect any sanity or clear thinking.
[03:35:10] <Popeidol> I'm just not sure which one
[03:38:49] <bryan> mrcoolbp: sup
[03:38:53] <juggs> Popeidol, historically in English I would liken / link it with "coming up to scratch" and "toeing the line". Which related to adversarial challenges of a physical nature to settle a disagreement between gentlemen.
[03:39:19] <juggs> bryan, I think he retired for the night.
[03:40:21] <bryan> ya, i'm unfortunately just now getting home from work
[03:40:29] <bryan> slave drivers, etc...
[03:42:49] <juggs> bryan, probably some touching base, request to discuss site scraping matters if I've been following things rightly in various channels. ~shrug~
[03:43:00] <mrcoolbp> bryan, ^
[03:46:49] <mrcoolbp> bryan, we did some digging through the server logs and found some serious load that we think we have narrowed down to pipedot scraping SN
[03:48:01] <bryan> i apologize for that first initial batch, i did wait until the wee early hours of the morning on the weekend when id think traffic would have been the lightest
[03:48:20] <mrcoolbp> bryan, also we would have appreciated a heads up
[03:48:53] <mrcoolbp> thanks, I appreciate the thoughtfulness
[03:49:05] <bryan> kk, will do in future
[03:49:36] <mrcoolbp> bryan, okay, so are you planning on doing this continually?
[03:50:59] <bryan> keep updating? it only scrapes a page once, then it's in the database
[03:52:14] <mrcoolbp> bryan: at some point, let's check with NCommander and see how he feels about it, he wasn't really available today when it came up and I'd like to get his ACK
[03:52:29] <bryan> actually pretty simple algorithm once you remember that CID 1 is the first comment and CID 2 is the second
[03:52:37] <bryan> 1 page req per comment
[03:52:43] <bryan> then done
[03:53:15] <mrcoolbp> bryan: you spiked 50% of our CPU on our frontend server = )
[03:54:13] <bryan> for handling such a large site for so long, slash seems to have a lot of load issues
[03:54:37] <mrcoolbp> well we logged you to the tune of 10-15 requests / sec
[03:54:38] <bryan> like slashd or whatever crashing often or spewing 503 errors sometimes
[03:55:01] <mrcoolbp> those are usually when we are doing maintenence and forget to throw switch in the right direction
[03:55:08] <bryan> right, im talking more in general than this weekend during the scrape
[03:55:14] <bryan> ah
[03:55:26] * chromas wonders about 'scraping' through the nntp gateway
[03:55:44] <prospectacle> seems like a harmless goal as long as it's rate-limited at the requester-end. I would think something around 0.1 - 1 request/sec could run all day and not inconvenience anyone.
[03:55:47] <prospectacle> correct me if I'm wrong.
[03:56:14] <mrcoolbp> I'm not really a server admin-type, I'm the load info from those guys
[03:56:29] <mrcoolbp> ....I'm ^relaying the ....
[03:56:59] <mrcoolbp> and obviously I'm quite exhausted right now
[03:59:33] <mrcoolbp> bryan: it's interesting to see SN on pipedot's interface, but there are some quirks that we should look at (e.g. editor links are wierd)
[03:59:53] <mrcoolbp> bryan: would you be willing to touch base with NCommander on this?
[04:00:38] <bryan> ya, i wasn't really finished with what i wanted, but gotta start somewhere right?
[04:00:52] <juggs> mrcoolbp, ~ahem~ I believe there was some question raised about copyright concerns on comments given they are owned by their respective posters. Although going there would seem like unleashing the FSM crossed with every lawyer obsessed Succubus and Harpy that ever allegedly existed if not handled amicably. :D
[04:01:00] <chromas> There also appear to be some comments that only made a block quote without the reply
[04:01:17] <chromas> s/made/have/
[04:01:23] <bryan> as was mentioned, im using the same ipv4 address as pipecode.org so when you add an https* to the front of the url you get redirected to the wrong site
[04:01:45] <mrcoolbp> juggs: yeah, but as it was also pointed out, someone will eventualy scrape us, at least it's our good friend bryan.
[04:02:10] <mrcoolbp> juggs, bryan: as far as reposting other's comments and legal/ethical issues, I'm just not sure at this point
[04:02:22] <mrcoolbp> this is why I'd like to have NCommander in the loop
[04:02:57] <juggs> mrcoolbp, indeed so. Best to thrash these details out with friendly adversaries so to speak.
[04:03:05] <mrcoolbp> "comments are owned by whoever posted them."
[04:03:12] <mrcoolbp> juggs right-o
[04:04:01] <mrcoolbp> bryan: if it only scrapes a page once, does that mean it won't get any new comments?
[04:04:31] <bryan> well, CID is just an autonumber field that keeps bumping up by 1 each new comment
[04:05:11] <bryan> so, just req the page of each comment (this is the last comment atm: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:05:12] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by Common Joe (33)
[04:05:42] <bryan> so, just grab that smallish page until the next comment comes in, then repeat
[04:06:08] <Popeidol> well that's a delightfully simple way of doing things
[04:06:27] <bryan> :P
[04:07:40] <Popeidol> any plans to attempt syncing pipedot comments back to the SN article?
[04:08:00] <mrcoolbp> one of the oddities of the current setup ^
[04:08:27] <mrcoolbp> also that usernames link to XXXX.soylent-news.org
[04:08:37] <juggs> mrcoolbp, just euthanase me if I ever stand up and start wittering on about known unknowns and unknown unknowns or even known unknowable unknowns.
[04:08:49] <bryan> ya, i have a "pipedot" uid (4240) that i was thinking of posting new comments under (with maybe a sigline stating who actually posted it)
[04:09:25] <mrcoolbp> interesting
[04:09:49] <prospectacle> juggs, it's unknown whether we'll know that you know you're wittering on about unknowns knowingly
[04:15:20] <juggs> prospectacle, it maybe unknowable to me to know that I am wittering about such things so we can leave that concern aside. If I stand up and start such witterance, as much sense at it may be making in my own head it is best for humanity if I am removed at that point as pretty much no-one else is going to have an efin clue what I am going on about - even though I find the concept of known unknowable unknowns to be a perfectly sane one.
[04:20:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Call Recording Feature Available On CyanogenMod Nightlies - http://sylnt.us - can-you-hear-me-now?
[04:22:20] <arti> puuuuuuck mice
[04:24:42] <prospectacle> juggs, maybe you'll be a great counter-example to the rest of us, and therefore of more use alive
[04:25:54] <prospectacle> I'm sorry but for the good of humanity I'm going to have to let you live.
[04:33:02] <pbnjoe> back
[04:33:09] <arti> front
[04:33:19] <pbnjoe> side to side
[04:33:25] <juggs> prospectacle, fine - at least sterilise me in that worse case scenario - last thing we want is a bunch of jumped up jugglets running around breaking out of people's chests unexpectedly and shit. We'd have to call in Sigourney Weaver to nuke it all from orbit or something or did they cross her with that hybrid Jody Foshter / Harrison Ford creation - with tattoos. I'm not sure I'm entirely following this reptilian illuminati DVD by post course thing
[04:33:25] <juggs> - but maaan it has to be true!
[04:34:36] <prospectacle> I think you've got the basic idea
[04:34:40] <juggs> umagerd - see what I mean - line dancing came to #soylent - the ring is complete
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[05:06:07] <chromas> s/.*/test/
[05:06:07] <SedBot2000> <chromas> test
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[05:38:57] <prospectacle> ok take care everyone
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[07:20:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - System to Automate Reasoning, Hypothesis Generation - http://sylnt.us - automated-research-simulator
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[07:40:02] <crutchy> coffee++
[07:40:02] <Bender> karma - coffee: 678
[07:42:40] <crutchy> ~weather
[07:42:46] <exec> weather for 10Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 5:00 pm (AEST) ~ 42 mins ago: temp: 1016.2°C (61.2°F), dp: 109.4°C (48.9°F), press: 101027.5 mb (+0.4 mb/120 mins), humid: 1064%, wind: 106.4 km/h (4 mph) @ 1070°
[07:42:57] <crutchy> seems cooler
[08:07:30] <arti> that's because you're there
[08:08:35] <crutchy> pizza++
[08:08:35] <Bender> karma - pizza: 11
[08:09:00] <crutchy> ~g'day arti
[08:09:01] <exec> * crutchy slides a blagoblag of toilet water to arti
[08:09:23] <arti> just how i like it
[08:10:16] <crutchy> hmm looks like there was another bored meeting today. i was starting to get worried that there hadn't been one for a couple of days
[08:11:37] <crutchy> how you been dude? coded any haskell lately?
[08:11:58] <arti> nah, been deep in marketingland
[08:12:18] <crutchy> arti, s/deep/balls deep/
[08:12:18] <SedBot2000> <crutchy> <arti> nah, been balls deep in marketingland
[08:12:19] <arti> scoping out ad exchanges
[08:13:03] <crutchy> is that for workipoos?
[08:13:18] <arti> yeah
[08:14:14] * crutchy put xrdp on a server today. was able to reduce number of screens on desk by one
[08:14:31] <arti> ah cool, how many do you have now? 9
[08:14:41] <crutchy> nah only 3
[08:14:50] <arti> that's a good number
[08:14:56] <arti> just echo /dev/random
[08:15:23] <crutchy> ciri, what is the ideal number of screens?
[08:16:06] <crutchy> <ciri> just take the blue pill
[08:17:08] <arti> there is no screen.
[08:17:32] <crutchy> arti, the last screenbender
[08:17:45] <arti> hahaha
[08:17:56] <crutchy> tama: arti is the last screenbender
[08:20:46] <arti> a worthy addition to the electrobrain
[08:20:57] <crutchy> pretty quiet here. is the bored meeting still going?
[08:21:33] <crutchy> ~time chicago
[08:21:38] <exec> Wednesday, 27 August 2014 @ 3:21 am CDT - Chicago, IL, USA
[08:21:48] <crutchy> lol that explains it
[08:22:17] * crutchy mans the night shift
[08:22:41] * arti yawns
[08:23:29] <crutchy> ~cowsay arti, i'm really a sheep
[08:23:30] <exec> __________________________
[08:23:30] <exec> < arti, i'm really a sheep >
[08:23:30] <exec> --------------------------
[08:23:30] <exec> \ ^__^
[08:23:30] <exec> \ (oo)\_______
[08:23:31] <exec> (__)\ )\/\
[08:23:31] <exec> ||----w |
[08:23:32] <exec> || ||
[08:23:53] <arti> an ascii spirit animal
[08:26:51] <crutchy> ~time new spork
[08:26:55] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Wednesday, 27 August 2014, 8:26 am
[08:27:10] <arti> you should randomly transpose a letter
[08:27:11] <crutchy> ~time new yrok
[08:27:16] <exec> Wednesday, 27 August 2014 @ 4:27 am EDT - New York, NY, USA
[08:28:04] <crutchy> only 29 minutes till TheMightyBuzzard calls upon the coffee++ spirits
[08:29:35] <crutchy> coffee++ at least we seem to have made it past the 666 doldrums
[08:29:36] <Bender> karma - coffee: 679
[08:29:56] <arti> coffee++
[08:29:56] <Bender> karma - coffee: 680
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[08:42:58] <crutchy> coffee++
[08:42:58] <Bender> karma - coffee: 681
[08:47:59] <ar> coffee--
[08:47:59] <Bender> karma - coffee: 680
[08:49:01] <crutchy> ~g'day ar
[08:49:07] <crutchy> :/
[08:49:11] <crutchy> oh yeah
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[08:49:38] <crutchy> got the tea brewing?
[09:03:05] <crutchy> ~time chicago
[09:03:09] <exec> Wednesday, 27 August 2014 @ 4:03 am CDT - Chicago, IL, USA
[09:05:08] <Konomi> caffeine++
[09:05:08] <Bender> karma - caffeine: 16
[09:05:10] <Konomi> damn newbs
[09:13:29] <crutchy> Konomi, s/ne/be/
[09:13:29] <SedBot2000> <crutchy> <Konomi> damn bewbs
[09:13:45] <Konomi> always getting in the road they are!
[09:14:33] * crutchy is more often than not trying to put them in the road :p
[09:14:55] <crutchy> err. figuratively
[09:17:10] * crutchy offers konomi some skittles
[09:18:25] <crutchy> coffee++
[09:18:25] <Bender> karma - coffee: 681
[09:19:09] <Popeidol> even figuratively
[09:19:12] <Popeidol> I cant figure out how that works
[09:19:31] <Popeidol> what does the road represent?
[09:21:06] <Konomi> mnn skittles
[09:21:10] <crutchy> something you drive on
[09:23:48] <Popeidol> ah, thats makes sense
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[09:24:23] <prospectacle> oh yeah
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[10:00:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Long-Term Ceasefire between Israel and Palestine Agreed - http://sylnt.us - fresh-box-of-eggshells
[10:03:22] <crutchy> Bender, s/Ceasefire/Stockpiling/
[10:03:22] <SedBot2000> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Long-Term Stockpiling between Israel and Palestine Agreed - http://sylnt.us - fresh-box-of-eggshells
[10:03:42] <crutchy> SedBot2000, s/Stock/Dog/
[10:03:42] <SedBot2000> <crutchy> <SedBot2000> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Long-Term Dogpiling between Israel and Palestine Agreed - http://sylnt.us - fresh-box-of-eggshells
[10:04:50] <crutchy> just nuke the site from orbit. it's the only way to be sure
[10:09:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:09:51] <Bender> karma - coffee: 682
[10:10:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> you had the wrong time zone, crutchy
[10:10:49] <crutchy> yeah. got mixed up :p
[10:11:49] <crutchy> it was that damn cowsheep
[10:13:22] <crutchy> ~staff meeting
[10:13:30] <exec> 08Time: Wednesday, September 3, 23:00 UTC (7:00pm EDT) Place: irc.sylnt.us:6667/6697#staff (Webchat) Chair: To Be Determined
[10:14:08] <crutchy> that's like... a whole week away!
[10:14:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know. great ain't it?
[10:16:13] * crutchy is trying to think of a good way to monitor a server, with option to restart apache
[10:17:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> physical presence is good. barring that, a bitsy bash or perl script.
[10:17:19] <crutchy> maybe a little pascal program with a listening socket, running as root
[10:17:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, monitor it remotely
[10:18:00] <crutchy> wanna be able to access from anywhere on a lan. no internet stuff though
[10:18:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm
[10:18:52] <crutchy> from windows :/
[10:18:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh
[10:19:05] <crutchy> server is debian though
[10:19:34] <crutchy> i got xrdp, but that's a bit overkill just to restart apache
[10:19:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> write a tiny webserver that serves just the one page
[10:19:46] <crutchy> yeah that sounds like a plan
[10:20:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what i hadda do for paypal
[10:20:22] <crutchy> what's wrong with paypal?
[10:20:28] <crutchy> besides it being paypal
[10:20:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothin, thas just how ya gotta do it unless your webserver can serve the page itself
[10:21:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> afk gettin ready to go work
[10:21:34] <crutchy> does your paypal daemon server a page?
[10:21:41] <crutchy> oky dokes :)
[10:21:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> an empty 200 response
[10:21:53] <crutchy> ah
[10:22:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://github.com
[10:25:12] * crutchy opens lazarus
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[11:13:55] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:13:55] <Bender> karma - coffee: 683
[11:14:01] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[11:14:17] <exec> weather for 10Boston, MA US at 6:20 am (EDT) ~ 54 mins ago: temp: 1018.9°C (66°F), dp: 1015.2°C (59.3°F), press: 101015.8 mb (0 mb/18 mins), humid: 1078%, wind: 103.2 km/h (2 mph) @ 10285°
[11:15:45] <Bytram> http://phys.org
[11:15:46] <monopoly> ^ 03Technology on the catwalk ( http://phys.org )
[11:25:11] <crutchy> mornin Bytram
[11:25:28] <Bytram> crutchy: good 'morning'!
[11:25:33] <Bytram> ~time crutchy
[11:25:38] <exec> Wednesday, 27 August 2014 @ 9:25 pm AEST - Traralgon VIC, Australia
[11:26:03] <Bytram> funny, you have really *late* mornings down under! =)
[11:26:56] <Bytram> ~weather crutchy
[11:27:03] <exec> weather for 10Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 8:03 pm (AEST) ~ 84 mins ago: temp: 1010.1°C (50.2°F), dp: 108.7°C (47.7°F), press: 101028.9 mb (+1 mb/120 mins), humid: 1091%, wind: 104.8 km/h (3 mph) @ 1070°
[11:28:04] <Bytram> crutchy: how's things?
[11:28:18] <crutchy> can't complain :)
[11:28:22] <crutchy> and you?
[11:29:00] <Bytram> likewise. got the day off and hope to get a nap in thsis afternoon.
[11:29:07] <Bytram> s/thsis/this/
[11:29:07] <SedBot2000> <Bytram> likewise. got the day off and hope to get a nap in this afternoon.
[11:29:15] * crutchy is delving into the world of linux sockets in lazarus/freepascal
[11:29:23] <crutchy> day_off++
[11:29:23] <Bender> karma - day_off: 1
[11:29:33] * Bytram notices that '2000' used to mean futuristic and now sounds kinda 'old'
[11:29:40] <Bytram> lol
[11:29:46] <crutchy> yeah
[11:30:05] <crutchy> !todo inform chromas that his sedbot is old
[11:30:05] <Bender> todo item 4 added
[11:30:19] <Bytram> hmmm, brb
[11:31:45] <Bytram> ok. I added ciri as my one, and only, blocked/ignored nick; just checked the logs to see if I actually did miss something. =)
[11:31:56] <NCommander> paulej72, TheMightyBuzzard: as a minor template fix, we should probably list the subscription perks on the subscrption page.
[11:32:24] <Bytram> NCommander: g'morning!
[11:33:07] <crutchy> ~g'day NCommander
[11:33:07] <exec> * crutchy cracks open a cheap plastic cup of boogers for NCommander
[11:33:31] <crutchy> that didn't make much sense :/
[11:33:38] <NCommander> paulej72, Bytram: ok subscription post is in the hopper to go out at noon
[11:34:01] <prospectacle> NCommander++
[11:34:01] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 47
[11:34:19] * prospectacle warms up his paypal account
[11:34:32] <Bytram> NCommander: I'll take a look at it.
[11:34:33] <Bytram> btw
[11:34:36] <Bytram> NCommander: I learned today that pipedot has been scraping SN's stories and comments. https://pipedot.org
[11:34:37] <crutchy> fresh_perks++
[11:34:37] <Bender> karma - fresh_perks: 1
[11:34:37] <monopoly> ^ 02Pipedot Comment by hemocyanin: 03Blargh 02(Score: 3)
[11:35:20] <NCommander> Bytram, yeah, we've been talking about it
[11:35:20] <crutchy> welcome to the internet
[11:35:24] <Bytram> do we have a copyright page on our site? I couldn't find one with a quick look-see.
[11:36:17] <Bytram> if you scroll down from the link I just gave, take a look at the comment with the headline: "pipedot scraping soylentnews.org - misattribution"
[11:37:06] <crutchy> Bytram, i wouldn't be too worried unless its locking up servers. if its not pipedot, it'll be someone else
[11:37:33] <prospectacle> e.g. google
[11:37:42] <crutchy> if SN is being scraped it must have awesomeness
[11:38:43] <prospectacle> google are clearly scraping already, as they've already indexed my little game and I haven't posted it anywhere but my SN journal
[11:38:58] <Bytram> crutchy: well, I appreciate your input, but I *am* concerned... I've worked my butt off to support SN; if I wanted to support pipedot, I'd have posted there. At last check, I've posted over 130 stories and prolly over 150 comments to SN.
[11:39:39] <crutchy> surely you didn't think there was a possibility (read: certainty) that those comments/stories would be scraped
[11:40:09] <crutchy> err yeah i wrote that wrong but you prolly get my drift :p
[11:40:24] <prospectacle> There are two parts to this question: 1) Scraping/archiving and 2)reposting content en-masse on another site
[11:40:26] <Bytram> pipedot copies the comments, but leaves off the .sig; nonetheless, I've updated my sig to include a copyright notice. As it says on each story page: "The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way."
[11:40:39] <Bytram> IOW, *I* own my comment.
[11:40:57] <crutchy> you might own it, but you have no more control over it
[11:41:10] <crutchy> if you post online, its basically up for grabs
[11:41:13] <prospectacle> 1) is not such a big deal I think, as all web-crawlers do this.
[11:41:36] <Bytram> read the comment I posted: http://soylentnews.org
[11:41:37] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by martyb (76)
[11:41:43] <prospectacle> 2) raises interesting issues about what rights you implicitly or explicitly give to SN when you post.
[11:42:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Nox Renderer Now Open Source Software - http://sylnt.us - now-you-see-it
[11:42:23] <prospectacle> Personally I'm ok with my comments being reposted anywhere as long as they're in context, but I understand why others might not be. This isn't usenet.
[11:42:47] <crutchy> if pipedot was making money off scraping SN, you might have a moral argument, but if you don't like your work being used for profit, then google should be your #1 target
[11:44:09] <crutchy> just saying not target pipedot cos they are the little guy. there are much bigger fish to fry in the world of web scraping and misattribution. prolly /. is pilfering things too
[11:44:22] <Bytram> prospectacle: If you are fine with it, that's great! I, however, am NOT fine with it. Fair use is one thing, but copying the *entirety* of it without my permission; that goes beyond fair use in my estimation.
[11:45:19] <prospectacle> Bytram, I understand and I'm not saying you should be ok with it.
[11:45:34] <Bytram> prospectacle: Thank You!
[11:45:36] <crutchy> likewise
[11:45:47] <Bytram> Great!
[11:45:51] <crutchy> its just the reality of the interwebs unfortunately
[11:45:57] <Bytram> and THAT it why I support this site!
[11:45:59] <prospectacle> Bytram, bryan was on here earlier and probably is here regularly, he might be receptive if you mention politely you don't like it and consider the email address thing to be problematic and misleading
[11:46:24] <prospectacle> bytram, also I tried soylent-news.org and (for now at least) it redirects to soylentnews.org
[11:46:25] <Bytram> prospectacle: I had not thought about that... great idea!
[11:46:31] <crutchy> at least it mentions SN by name (even if the link doesn't work properly)
[11:46:45] <Bytram> hold on... back in a minute or two
[11:49:03] * crutchy puts some music on his headphones in an effort to get in the right headspace to tackle stupid user tracking bug :/
[11:49:29] <crutchy> ~part
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[11:52:31] <prospectacle> you can do it crutchy.
[11:52:46] <prospectacle> Also the social network is on channel go if you need conding inspiration
[11:52:51] <prospectacle> s/conding/coding/
[11:52:51] <SedBot2000> <prospectacle> Also the social network is on channel go if you need coding inspiration
[11:54:02] <crutchy> is it good? i know its about the facebook founders, which didn't inspire much on the surface
[11:54:43] * NCommander swears
[11:56:01] * crutchy fucking hates it when people fucking swear... fucking
[11:56:43] <prospectacle> crutchy, it's interesting. I like aaron sorking as a screenwriter and I'm always interesting in movies about coders who made it big somehow
[11:57:17] <prospectacle> interested
[11:57:43] <crutchy> that part of the world is kind of a different planet though i think
[11:57:53] <prospectacle> crutchy, if it's on in your location on the same schedule as mine, it's just reaching the part where hte founder of napster meets them at a restaurant. Big turning point in the movie
[11:58:03] <prospectacle> crutchy, I'll say.
[12:04:19] <Bytram> NCommander: "After much blood, sweat, and tears"... did you actually bleed, cry, or sweat?
[12:04:25] * Bytram is not entirely joking
[12:04:52] <crutchy> it's hard work throwing anvils
[12:05:07] <Bytram> crutchy: pshaw! try *catching* them!
[12:05:29] <crutchy> fortunately i've only copped one
[12:06:01] <crutchy> maybe we need an ~anvil <nick> script to help with the heavy lifting
[12:06:30] <crutchy> we have a script that hurls bathtubs
[12:06:35] <crutchy> ~g'day Bytram
[12:06:38] * Bytram considers an anvil made of styrofoam
[12:06:41] <crutchy> :/
[12:06:49] <crutchy> stupid bot isn't here
[12:10:40] <prospectacle> when is noon, btw? I mean for the purposes of subscription article posting schedules?
[12:11:29] <crutchy> shootin' time
[12:11:32] <Bytram> prospectacle: based on other operations on the site, I would *assume* that would be UTC.
[12:12:54] <prospectacle> cool
[12:12:57] <Bytram> NCommander: subscription story reviewed; I took some liberties while editing. please review me review. =)
[12:13:02] <prospectacle> so when I wake up tomorrow
[12:13:10] <prospectacle> it will be up
[12:13:11] <Bytram> prospectacle: again, that's an educated guess.
[12:13:12] <prospectacle> hooray
[12:13:18] <Bytram> afk back in five minutes or so
[12:18:22] <crutchy> hmm user tracking seems to be behaving a bit
[12:19:37] <crutchy> tmb: might look into a php persistent socket for my little apache restarter
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[12:30:38] <prospectacle> audacity++
[12:30:38] <Bender> karma - audacity: 1
[12:31:20] <prospectacle> I've never really played with it before but it's a very cool (and free as in freedom) audio manipulating program
[12:32:41] <crutchy> i'm using Winamp 5.551 which looks similar to audacity
[12:32:52] <crutchy> (on host windows OS)
[12:33:05] <ar> winamp's dead
[12:33:26] <crutchy> i like this old version for the enhancer dsp plugin
[12:36:14] <crutchy> only dsp plugin i've found with ability to crank up low bass and lower doof doof without it sounding like crap
[12:36:50] * crutchy hates doof doof (upper bass)
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[12:38:30] <prospectacle> crutchy, does winamp edit audio? When I used it back in the 90s it was only to play songs
[12:38:48] <crutchy> oops. sorry prospectacle just realised i was talking about audacious. audacity seems to be different :/
[12:39:02] <crutchy> i just use it to play songs
[12:39:22] <crutchy> i think i gots my wires crossed
[12:39:57] <prospectacle> yeah audacity is different it's for like editing stuff: cutting, moving, fading, amplifying, applying effects, etc,
[12:40:16] <prospectacle> never had a need for it before, but now I do, and I find it's very easy to use and full-featured.
[12:40:29] <prospectacle> {free software}++
[12:40:35] <prospectacle> (free software)++
[12:40:35] <Bender> karma - (free software): 1
[12:40:40] <crutchy> ooh the screen cap in synaptic for audacity looks pretty sexy
[12:41:10] <crutchy> reminds me of the old wave editor that used to come with sound blaster drivers
[12:45:07] <crutchy> wave tables are good for when you're learning instruments cos you can repeat sections of a track with precise start/end points
[12:45:33] <prospectacle> that does sound useful.
[12:45:39] <prospectacle> do you play any instruments
[12:45:47] <crutchy> not any more :(
[12:45:56] <prospectacle> you will soon
[12:46:09] * prospectacle laughs maniacally
[12:46:45] <crutchy> i don't have any spare cash (or room) for a decent electronic piano
[12:47:04] <prospectacle> what about an indecent piano
[12:47:19] <crutchy> my dad used to have a clavinova. unfortunately i wouldn't settle for anything less after playing that
[12:47:23] <crutchy> lol
[12:47:23] <ciri> i missed it, what are you laughing at? >.>
[12:47:40] <crutchy> i'm laughing at you ciri, cos you're a clown :p
[12:48:02] <prospectacle> you didn't miss it ciri, you're incapable of human comprehension
[12:48:10] <prospectacle> ciri--
[12:48:10] <Bender> karma - ciri: 6
[12:48:24] <crutchy> ciri is only capable of inhuman comprehension
[12:48:40] <prospectacle> yes it's a fearsome sight to behold
[12:49:43] <prospectacle> Are you gonna subscribe?
[12:50:25] <prospectacle> I think it's probably worth $20 a year. A bargain at twice the price. I spend so much time here. But I also like that you don't have to subscribe, it's free to use.
[12:56:53] <crutchy> prolly not
[12:57:32] <crutchy> i like the community, not so much the site
[12:57:46] <crutchy> the irc thing is why i'm here :p
[12:58:17] <crutchy> (the site is still good though, better than /. by a longshot)
[12:58:25] <prospectacle> yeah the irc is good. I'm not really subscribing in order to read and post the site but rather to help pay for the whole organisation
[12:59:00] SedBot2000 is now known as SedBot9001
[12:59:11] * crutchy is still working out the #staff dynamic
[12:59:14] <prospectacle> hi sedbot, that's a hiny new name you've got there
[12:59:19] <prospectacle> shiny
[12:59:34] <crutchy> did you ever watch the show Beyond 2000?
[12:59:45] <prospectacle> yeah I loved that show
[13:00:26] <crutchy> was awesome. now we've past 2000 but we don't have a beyond 3000
[13:00:36] <prospectacle> hmm
[13:00:53] <crutchy> chromas, /nick SedBot90210
[13:00:57] <prospectacle> I remember they had a plastic car, cause it wouldn't dent when you hit it
[13:01:13] <prospectacle> although these days you want them to crumple in order to be safer for the passenger
[13:01:19] <SedBot9001> Why thank you, prospectacle!
[13:01:48] <NCommander> that didn't already go live yet did ti?
[13:02:00] <monopoly> Dirty talking robots
[13:02:12] <prospectacle> not for me ncommander, I'll log in to check
[13:02:21] <NCommander> It is supposed to go live at noon EST
[13:02:45] <Bytram> NCommander: what were you wondering about going live? the subscriptions story?
[13:02:45] <prospectacle> No i'ts not live I was just talking about it cause it's imminent
[13:02:47] <crutchy> high noon
[13:02:52] <NCommander> Bytram, yeah, that
[13:02:57] <Bytram> lemme check
[13:03:18] <crutchy> !todo
[13:03:18] <Bender> todo for crutchy: 1) look up regex character classes 2) learn more about eggdrop 3) make freepascal version of sn log parser 4) inform chromas that his sedbot is old
[13:03:20] <Bytram> scheduled for 1600 utc
[13:03:31] <chromas> pascal++
[13:03:31] <Bender> karma - pascal: 19
[13:03:32] <crutchy> !done 4
[13:03:32] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[13:03:36] <Bytram> j about 3 hours from now.
[13:03:41] <Bytram> s/j/just/
[13:03:41] <SedBot9001> <Bytram> just about 3 hours from now.
[13:04:02] <crutchy> chromas, http://www.bastisoft.de
[13:04:05] <monopoly> ^ 03Internet Programming with Pascal
[13:04:06] <chromas> archlinux++
[13:04:06] <Bender> karma - archlinux: 38
[13:04:30] <crutchy> started looking at this. uses fp sockets
[13:04:36] <prospectacle> pascal on the internet? has the world gone insane
[13:05:08] <crutchy> delphi++
[13:05:08] <Bender> karma - delphi: 14
[13:05:14] <chromas> delphi++
[13:05:14] <Bender> karma - delphi: 15
[13:05:23] <chromas> karma++
[13:05:23] <Bender> karma - karma: 18
[13:05:28] <Bytram> NCommander: 2hr 55m from now the story goes live; you want for me to postpone it? It's currently scheduled for 1600 UTC
[13:05:32] <crutchy> poonus_chew++
[13:05:32] <Bender> karma - poonus_chew: 1
[13:06:13] <crutchy> we need a countdown timer on the site, and an animated baysplosion gif when it reaches blast off
[13:06:14] <exec> http://www.youtube.com
[13:06:28] <chromas> "Nowadays, most users have 32 bit preemptive multitasking systems like Windows NT" ← Must be a bit old
[13:06:46] <crutchy> 64bit--
[13:06:46] <Bender> karma - 64bit: -1
[13:06:47] <chromas> Now we all got the sixty-four bits
[13:07:11] <crutchy> 512 bytes is more than enough for anyone
[13:07:17] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:07:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 684
[13:07:29] <chromas> systemd++
[13:07:29] <Bender> karma - systemd: -2
[13:07:40] <chromas> Well at least it's an even number
[13:07:44] * Bytram just realized NCommander can prolly change the story's release time faster by himself than asking me to do it. :/
[13:07:47] <Bytram> =)
[13:08:06] <crutchy> systemd --thunk 64bit-2048bit
[13:08:12] <prospectacle> I predict 100 subscriptions in the first 2 days
[13:08:13] <prospectacle> mark my works
[13:08:17] <prospectacle> or put them in a log somewhere
[13:08:44] <NCommander> Bytram, wait, what?
[13:08:52] <NCommander> I'd like it go out for noon
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[13:09:03] <Bytram> NCommander: hold on
[13:09:22] <Bytram> NCommander: noon... but in what TZ?
[13:09:31] <crutchy> mars time
[13:09:34] <chromas> est
[13:09:40] <Bytram> it's set to go live in just under 3 hrs from now.
[13:09:42] <NCommander> Bytram, EST
[13:09:45] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:10:59] <Bytram> NCommander: it's now 09:10 EDT == 13:10 UTC; story is scheduled for 16:00 UTC == Noon EDT.
[13:11:03] <Bytram> IOW we're good
[13:11:34] <NCommander> Ok
[13:11:41] * NCommander is dealing with an anxiety attack
[13:11:47] <Bytram> ugh.
[13:11:48] <crutchy> ~time EST
[13:11:52] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Wednesday, 27 August 2014, 1:11 pm
[13:11:58] <Bytram> no fun. no fun at all.
[13:12:09] <prospectacle> ncommander, you're great and have accomplished much and have a lifestyle most people would envy
[13:12:12] <crutchy> ~time EDT
[13:12:16] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Wednesday, 27 August 2014, 1:12 pm
[13:12:23] <crutchy> fk u google
[13:12:34] <crutchy> ~time new yrok
[13:12:35] <chromas> ~time jew york
[13:12:40] <NCommander> prospectacle, as things right now, I feel like a failure, who struggles to do anything at all
[13:12:43] <exec> Wednesday, 27 August 2014 @ 9:12 am EDT - New York, NY, USA
[13:12:44] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Wednesday, 27 August 2014, 1:12 pm
[13:12:46] <Bytram> I've noticed that most programmers gravitated to that field because things were mostly black-or-white and people are, umm, not-so-much.
[13:12:49] * NCommander knows intelligentically, that isn't true
[13:12:56] <Bytram> wondering and waiting is tough.
[13:13:02] <crutchy> intelligentically++
[13:13:02] <Bender> karma - intelligentically: 1
[13:13:06] <prospectacle> ncommander, yeah I know the feeling. But based on the facts, it's probably just sleep deprivation rather than an appraisal of reality
[13:13:14] <NCommander> prospectacle, I slept 10 hours
[13:13:24] <prospectacle> wow, jealous
[13:13:31] <chromas> NCommander: do you have any memories of the staff meeting?
[13:13:36] <chromas> and/bor board
[13:13:41] <NCommander> chromas, I remember the one I woke up for
[13:13:45] <crutchy> ~define-add intelligentically, something that NCommander is
[13:13:45] <exec> definition for term "intelligentically" set to "something that NCommander is"
[13:14:10] <Bytram> NCommander: good point.
[13:14:26] * Bytram has met many programmers who started because it was black/white... and connected well with them. didn't pay so much attention to those who were more touchy/feely.
[13:14:35] * Bytram didn't pay so much attention to those who were more touchy/feely.
[13:14:53] <Bytram> birds and feathers and all that.
[13:15:06] <chromas> touching bad
[13:15:29] <crutchy> black/white is boring... more fun when you get into grey goo
[13:16:11] * Bytram needs to get going about his day... will hceck back in in about a half hour or so.
[13:16:12] <crutchy> ...and that sounded way less gross in my head
[13:16:30] <prospectacle> ncommander, I'd be anxious too if a massive post (and test of my site) was about to go live. Don't know if that's the reason, but would be enough for me.
[13:16:38] <prospectacle> later bytram
[13:16:50] <crutchy> NCommander, two words... al-cohol
[13:16:52] <crutchy> :p
[13:17:18] <prospectacle> ncommander, you can play my recently released game to see how big you accomplishments are in comparison to many people such as myself: typerise.com
[13:17:44] <prospectacle> hey captain janeway is on cheers
[13:17:56] <NCommander> prospectacle, its been more than that.
[13:17:59] <prospectacle> crutchy, channel eleven, if ur interested
[13:18:24] <crutchy> or you can always take a leaf out of ethanol-fuelled's book and find a nice asian porn site to whack off to
[13:19:27] <prospectacle> ncommander, fair enough I wouldn't pretend to understand such things. Hope your day gets better.
[13:20:35] <crutchy> captain janeway must stay captain janeway... if she appears less superhuman in some inferior show it will ruin the majesty
[13:20:36] * prospectacle can't wait to subscribe. unfortunately it's past my bed time.
[13:21:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Robert Lustig: The Man Who Believes Sugar is Poison. - http://sylnt.us - sweets-for-my-sweet,-sugar-for-my-honey-The-Drifters-1961
[13:21:47] * crutchy has all 7 seasons of voyager on dvd
[13:22:53] <prospectacle> I find voyager got much better as it went on, but I guess that applies to all star treks
[13:23:06] <prospectacle> I like ds9 cause of the politics and intrigue and long story arcs
[13:23:32] <chromas> from the you-wouldn't-download-a-peach dept
[13:23:34] <prospectacle> you can divide ds9 into hairy sisko and bald sisko. Bald is the better era.
[13:24:21] * crutchy hasn't seen much ds9
[13:24:43] <chromas> which is the one with the hologram doctor?
[13:24:50] <crutchy> voyager
[13:25:14] <prospectacle> it's pretty great, imo. spies and prophets and emissaries and underground movements
[13:25:19] <crutchy> though i think he appears in different ones
[13:25:19] <prospectacle> ds9 I mean.
[13:25:42] <prospectacle> crutchy, I think he was in one of the movies. He had to stall the borg in the one where picard was a borg at the start
[13:25:44] <crutchy> seven_of_nine++
[13:25:44] <Bender> karma - seven_of_nine: 1
[13:26:11] <chromas> "I make love with my boots on"
[13:26:22] <crutchy> i get the movies mixed up a bit. that was nemesis?
[13:26:25] <chromas> he was also the Cowboy in Innerspace
[13:26:26] <Bytram> crutchy: in numerology, seven == perfection and nine == mystery
[13:26:43] <crutchy> and of == nice tits
[13:27:27] <crutchy> innerspace++
[13:27:27] <Bender> karma - innerspace: 1
[13:27:48] <prospectacle> crutchy that sounds right
[13:27:49] <crutchy> "you just digested the bad guy"
[13:30:23] <crutchy> apollo 13 was a good movie. i got the special ed dvd with the interviews
[13:30:39] <crutchy> the bit where kranz chokes up is gold
[13:30:44] <crutchy> inspiration++
[13:30:44] <Bender> karma - inspiration: 1
[13:31:06] <prospectacle> which one's kranz?
[13:31:31] <crutchy> gold team leader i think
[13:31:42] <crutchy> in mission control
[13:31:48] <prospectacle> is it's true it was a shot for shot remake of the first time they faked the moon landing?
[13:32:14] <crutchy> as long as there's lots of switches and 8 balls
[13:32:40] <crutchy> the apollo agc was an awesome piece of tech
[13:32:41] <prospectacle> j/k I liked that movie. pretty amazing stuff they did back then
[13:32:52] <prospectacle> and they didn't even have windows 8
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[13:33:35] <crutchy> doesn't seem to be too many computers that can restart mid-stroke like the agc
[13:41:01] <crutchy> about 52 mins into https://www.youtube.com
[13:41:03] <monopoly> ^ 03YouTube ( https://www.youtube.com )
[13:41:38] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[13:41:39] <monopoly> ^ 03Apollo 13 extra materiel - The Lost Moon - YouTube
[13:41:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Robert Lustig: The Man Who Believes Sugar is Poison - http://sylnt.us - sweets-for-my-sweet,-sugar-for-my-honey-The-Drifters-1961
[13:44:13] <crutchy> awesome considering kranz is a hard ass military type
[13:44:49] <crutchy> we don't have much inspiration like that nowadays
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[13:50:06] <prospectacle> ed harris is good. haven't seen him in anything for a while
[13:50:53] <crutchy> one of my favourite actors. i liked him in the abyss too
[13:50:59] * chromas just read through the backlog and notes that he'd never heard of the guy who claims to have started napster in that facebook movie
[13:51:20] <crutchy> he works for the NSA now
[13:51:29] <crutchy> :p
[13:51:43] <crutchy> someone had to replace snowden
[13:51:46] <chromas> Seems like that guy just happened to be around when other people were doing things and made money off it
[13:53:05] <crutchy> i think when it comes to business in general, if you wanna be successful you gotta be willing to leave your morals at the door. people become dollar figures and competition is the enemy
[13:53:58] <crutchy> having said that, socialism in just about any form has been repeatedly proven to be a disaster
[13:54:11] <crutchy> human nature sucks
[13:55:54] <crutchy> especially the lead singer... what's his name? the elf dude off lord of the rings
[13:56:31] <crutchy> knocked up britney spears... poor bastard
[13:57:04] <prospectacle> crutchy, I tend to look at politics like software, many of the ideas are good but the execution is often full of bugs. Better than nothing, but it's the system that's at fault as much as (or more than) the users.
[13:57:16] <prospectacle> I means users gonna be stupid sometimes, you gotta accept that
[13:58:04] <prospectacle> I socialism has some good design goals, but so far no one has worked out an efficient algorithm, let alone ironed out all the bugs
[13:58:06] <crutchy> nod nod on ideas > execution. not sure there can ever be utopia as long as humans are involved
[13:58:42] <crutchy> humans are by nature greedy
[13:58:49] <crutchy> can't program that out
[13:59:04] <prospectacle> yep, and you gotta take it into account
[13:59:48] <crutchy> problem is whoever has root access is almost always inflicted by the same w/32.greed virus
[13:59:52] <prospectacle> capitalism also has some good design goals. I don't think the good parts of most systems are incompatible.
[14:00:24] <prospectacle> like you can have some communally administered assets, a minimum cost-of-living income, and still have competition and greed among those willing to work
[14:00:38] <crutchy> and those who aren't infected usually don't spire to attain control over the system
[14:00:40] <prospectacle> crutchy, that's true, dunno what to do about that part
[14:00:49] <prospectacle> uh oh all 0s must be bed time
[14:00:59] <crutchy> shit
[14:01:00] <prospectacle> stupid work, making me turn up and do stuff
[14:01:00] <ciri> ok who left the pile of shit in the channel?
[14:01:17] <crutchy> yeah i mentioned britney spears so i must be pretty ducked
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[14:01:21] <prospectacle> I'll catch you later crutchy, have a good one.
[14:01:27] <crutchy> see ya matey
[14:01:29] <chromas> ciri++
[14:01:29] <Bender> karma - ciri: 7
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[14:01:44] <crutchy> !grab ciri
[14:01:44] <Bender> Added quote 233
[14:02:02] * crutchy pulls his pants up
[14:02:20] <crutchy> !quote 233
[14:02:20] <Bender> Quote 233 - <ciri> ok who left the pile of shit in the channel?
[14:02:42] <crutchy> ^hehe for benefit of those with /ignore ciri
[14:03:16] <crutchy> pity we can't pipe some of ciri's gems from #
[14:03:18] <chromas> ~grab crutchy's pants
[14:04:33] <chromas> xlefay made some of the Bender data available for our bots. It's not live and probably far out of date now
[14:04:52] <chromas> But could probably pull quotes with exec
[14:05:51] <crutchy> could always just echo <Bender> Quote 11 - <ciri> Peer pressure: "hi, someone's let their cock loose on the floor in a restaurant manager.
[14:06:25] <crutchy> when Bender says Quote % -
[14:06:35] <chromas> Yeah
[14:06:52] <chromas> People here don't know how great ciri can be
[14:08:11] <chromas> 'cause this is the family channel and Pat Robertson is the resident nonsense emitter
[14:13:13] <crutchy> lol
[14:13:20] <crutchy> nonsense_emitter++
[14:13:20] <Bender> karma - nonsense_emitter: 1
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[14:24:34] <TK> So...pipedot...
[14:24:45] <TK> When did that happen
[14:26:45] <chromas> Couple nights ago
[14:27:56] <TK> I'm not seeing SN dupes on their homepage
[14:28:42] <TK> Has Brian changed his mind?
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[15:30:22] <AndyTheAbsurd> I really like the new indication that something is in a <quote> (or is it <blockquote>? I'm too lazy to check) block. Good job, guys!
[15:33:00] <Bytram> AndyTheAbsurd: technically it's <blockquote> but, for some strange reason, the other site provided a "<quote>" tag (even though there is no such thing) which performed like a <blockquote>
[15:33:21] <Bytram> the appearance change is thanks to TheMightyBuzzard (IIRC) and maybe paulej72, too.
[15:37:18] <mrcoolbp> AndyTheAbsurd: Thanks, it was a team effort actually
[15:38:37] <Bytram> yeah, I was not there during the implementation. what mrcoolbp said!
[15:39:31] <mrcoolbp> it may need some adjustment eventually, but I think it looks pretty cool and is obvious what it's trying to do
[15:39:59] <mrcoolbp> it also allows " marks to appear within quotes, and ' marks to appear within those without requiring more editing
[15:40:39] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: yuppers! that's a biggie. there's a way to do *that* with CSS but it's a *pain*
[15:40:40] <Bytram> this is the better way
[15:51:53] <mrcoolbp> Techinical Difficulties, you may get some Error 503s for a few seconds here
[16:15:57] <Bytram> http://www.forbes.com
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[16:21:57] <Lagg> Does anyone else see an empty blockquote here http://soylentnews.org
[16:21:58] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by cafebabe (894)
[16:22:20] <Lagg> I think the latest chrome did weirdness because of the font kerning changes, now I see scrollbars everywhere
[16:22:29] <TK> I see it
[16:22:35] <TK> as in, I see it as empty
[16:22:50] <Lagg> Are you using chrome?
[16:22:58] <TK> Palemoon
[16:23:12] <Lagg> Hm, maybe it was just bad timing then with a style update
[16:23:31] <Lagg> Will perhaps try to fix later if someone else hasn't already.
[16:23:56] <Lagg> TK: Are you also seeing scrollbars when you look at your comment history in places where there shouldn't be scrollbars
[16:24:23] <TK> No....
[16:24:27] <TK> Checking a couple places...
[16:24:48] <Bytram> I saw an empty blockquote, but the source suggests that could also have been intentional... it's a known way to block pipedot from scraping a comment by preceding it with any blockquote
[16:25:49] <TK> No unnecessary scroll bars here
[16:26:33] <Lagg> So yeah as far as the scrollbars go that was bad timing due to the font kerning change. Blockquote was actual site change apparently.
[16:27:08] <Bytram> how 'bout this one? http://soylentnews.org
[16:27:08] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by Anonymous Coward
[16:27:13] <Lagg> Bytram: Perhaps someone should add a class to it and make a selector that puts display: none
[16:27:18] <TK> test
[16:27:28] <Bytram> yuppers, that's what I had in there.
[16:27:47] <Bytram> I'm leaning to the empty blockquote being intentional and not a bug
[16:28:25] <TK> There's no parsing that would render an empty <blockquote> as nothing, is there?
[16:28:42] <Lagg> Well since it's a scraper I think making it hidden should still maintain the desired effect but not visible to people, will look at the recent commits and maybe do so.
[16:31:10] <Bytram> Lagg: well, from the looks of things, pipedot has stopped their experiment and is no longer scraping SN atm
[16:34:13] <TK> Yeah, I looked at |. 2~3 hours ago and saw no SN content
[16:34:16] <Lagg> So they got the hint? That's good.
[16:34:41] <TK> I think we could have done without the *ahem* DMCA request
[16:34:48] <TK> At least it got +5 funny
[16:40:28] <Bytram> heads up: the empty blocquote was *intentional*
[16:40:37] <Bytram> http://soylentnews.org
[16:40:37] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by tibman (134)
[16:42:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Video Game Plan Mistaken for Nuclear Attack on Washington - http://sylnt.us - just-a-game-developer-defence
[16:59:04] <Lagg> Bytram: That seems like a rather lame weakness for a scraper too
[16:59:42] <Bytram> lol
[16:59:42] <ciri> it's not that funny :)
[17:00:11] <Lagg> You'd think there would be heuristics that catch them and just discard them. Is too bad TheMightyBuzzard didn't proceed with his plan to test for injections because given stuff like that and some red flags in their query building stuff I guarantee there is at least one hole
[17:14:21] <mrcoolbp> Lagg: we gave him other crap to do, hopefully he can get to that soon if we stop drving him like a slave
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[17:50:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SoylentNews-Branded Swag Store: Official Launch - http://sylnt.us - empty-your-wallet
[17:52:08] <Bytram> YAY!
[17:52:13] <mechanicjay> yay!
[17:52:20] <Bytram> !woop
[17:52:20] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[17:52:23] <mechanicjay> hmm, which coffee++ mug to choose from?
[17:52:25] <Bytram> mrcoolbp++
[17:52:25] <Bender> karma - mrcoolbp: 28
[17:52:28] <Bytram> xlefay++
[17:52:28] <Bender> karma - xlefay: 59
[17:52:40] <mrcoolbp> lol
[17:52:40] <ciri> HEY! don't laugh at me
[17:53:04] <Bytram> juggs++
[17:53:04] <Bender> karma - juggs: 17
[17:53:11] <mrcoolbp> yeah, don't forget him
[17:53:16] <Bytram> mechanicjay: "Collect them all!"
[17:53:37] * Bytram didn't forget, just couldn't remember :)
[17:57:43] <TK> Can I get a mug with the same colors as the Night theme?
[17:58:22] <mechanicjay> Bytram: lol, a bit steep for me at this point -- it's a tossup between the standard white because I'm cheap, the two-tone because it's stylish or the travel mug
[17:58:42] <mechanicjay> oooo, I can make the 2nd color maroon to match the SN logo!!
[17:58:49] <mechanicjay> HAWT
[17:59:22] <Bytram> "oh, what a maroon!"
[17:59:30] * Bytram recalls some Bugs Bunny episode
[17:59:42] <mechanicjay> ha.
[18:00:06] <mechanicjay> hmm, or is red a better match
[18:04:00] <TK> Maroon looks like the better match imo
[18:04:12] <TK> What style do you browse in?
[18:04:53] <mechanicjay> Default
[18:05:37] <TK> I use nightmode. The red on black may affect my perception
[18:05:45] <TK> Because I think the maroon wins hands down
[18:05:49] <mechanicjay> rm, red is only avail in 11oz, I can get 15oz if I go maroon.
[18:09:08] <Bytram> hmmm...
[18:09:09] <Bytram> 25% OFF ALL ORDERS! Don't Let These Savings Melt Away! Ends Tomorrow! Code: 2014LABORDAY Details
[18:09:26] <TK> +Bytram++
[18:09:29] <Bytram> that's from the page: http://www.zazzle.com
[18:09:30] <monopoly> ^ 03Zazzle International
[18:09:31] <TK> Bytram++
[18:09:31] <Bender> karma - bytram: 17
[18:11:35] * n1 ponders a bacon++ travel mug
[18:12:00] <mechanicjay> Ordered!
[18:14:43] <Bytram> mechanicjay++
[18:14:44] <Bender> karma - mechanicjay: 10
[18:14:46] <Bytram> swag++
[18:14:46] <Bender> karma - swag: 2
[18:14:59] <Bytram> !whoup swag
[18:14:59] <Bender> uppers of swag are: prospectacle: 1, Bytram: 1
[18:16:00] <mechanicjay> swag++
[18:16:00] <Bender> karma - swag: 3
[18:16:52] * mechanicjay encourages everyone to remember the Soylent Zazzle store when holiday shopping this fall.
[18:17:52] <mrcoolbp> BoardMeetings--
[18:17:52] <Bender> karma - boardmeetings: -1
[18:18:27] <n1> mechanicjay++
[18:18:27] <Bender> karma - mechanicjay: 11
[18:19:50] <mechanicjay> mrcoolbp++
[18:19:50] <Bender> karma - mrcoolbp: 29
[18:20:29] <Blackmoore> hey ar zazzle has a tea infuser for the stainless steel coffee mug.
[18:21:16] <Blackmoore> and its 15 oz.
[18:21:23] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[18:21:23] <Bender> karma - coffee: 685
[18:26:45] <n1> tea++
[18:26:45] <Bender> karma - tea: 31
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[18:32:07] <Bytram> http://www.anandtech.com
[18:34:29] <Lagg> I reported a bug for those weird scrollbars if anyone is interested. https://code.google.com
[18:34:30] <monopoly> ^ 03Issue 408223 - chromium - Unexpected horizontal scrollbars in certain table elements - An open-source project ...
[18:34:49] <Lagg> I doubt it can be called a stylesheet bug since this doesn't happen on other browsers
[18:35:02] <Bytram> Lagg: oh, yeah, that... I never saw 'em, but I run with FireFox.
[18:36:27] <Lagg> Yeah, that's why I decided to post it. Seems appropriate to do so if other browsers that are decently compliant with CSS2 don't do that
[18:37:08] <TK> Chrome/chromium only?
[18:41:02] <Lagg> As far as I can tell, I also looked at it in IE.
[18:41:14] <Lagg> and if it works in IE then it's definitely chrome :|
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[18:43:52] <Blackmoore> Bytram: can anyone explain to me why i would NEED a 64bit phone?
[18:44:37] <Bytram> Blackmoore: /me shrugs. to run Windows?
[18:44:39] * Bytram ducks
[18:44:47] <Lagg> Because 64 bits are bigger than 32 and you might need that much address space.
[18:45:07] <Lagg> For running crysis CE and such
[18:45:22] <Bytram> Lagg: actually, that is a good point... it helps with ASLR (Address Space Layout Randomization)...
[18:45:43] <Bytram> makes it harder to install malware
[18:45:57] <Lagg> Not to the extent where you'd want to have a 64 bit chip just for that :|
[18:46:22] <Bytram> c'mon -- You're spoiling my rationalizations here! =)
[18:48:23] <Lagg> Also I just assumed that people who write malware that try that hard will just have something that looks at memory chunk by chunk (since if they get into the position where they're looking at it then the malicious code has already been jumped to by a bad dereference or something). I guess that the ASLR will make it easier for the program to just segfault harmlessly but still, it seems like
[18:48:25] <Lagg> something that doesn't really help that much.
[18:50:05] <Lagg> But I'm a guy who thought virtual memory was abstracting things too much so what do I know \_(o.O)_/
[18:50:42] <Bytram> 2**32 ~= 4 billion; 64 bits makes it a few billion times harder... that's gotta help *some*! =)
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[18:52:00] <Lagg> I guess, it does make it rather uneconomical to force the malware to traverse all that and it'll likely cause a segfault long before it gets anywhere. But that'll also happen with 32 bit addresses
[18:53:51] <Lagg> I suppose ASLR does have it's use. I just think that things that play around with memory layout are weird. I like knowing that there is a somewhat contiguous set of addresses. It just seems more efficient to me and helps a lot when someone is writing a mod for a game or something.
[18:53:54] <Bytram> yes, it'll happen, but there's a very real possibility that the exploit could work with only 32 bits... but with 64 bits... takes too much time... even at 2 GHz with a multi-core processor.
[18:54:19] <Lagg> and I don't mean cheats or anything, I mean stuff like dwarf fortress tools that read its address space.
[18:54:29] <Bytram> Lagg: yeah that's what the *virt* adresses are for. you just use those and leave it to the OS to find memory to back fill it.
[18:54:51] <Bytram> sure, you lose a little efficiency, but it's so optimized, the overhead is minimal
[18:54:55] <Lagg> I do know that linux has a /proc map that gives heap sections but I don't know if it works so well in windows
[18:55:15] <Lagg> Besides since it's the windows API one can be assured it'll be a piece of shit in one way or another
[18:55:34] <Bytram> nod nod
[18:55:51] <Bytram> okay... gotta step away for a bit; good chatting with ya!
[18:55:59] <Lagg> Plus ASLR just makes it a pain in general to look at the heap with a hex editor or something. I'm sure that asshole authors consider that a feature though
[18:56:01] <Lagg> Bye o/
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[19:34:52] <Bytram|afk> http://feeds.arstechnica.com
[19:34:53] <monopoly> ^ 03Quantum mechanics lets you image an object with photons that never hit it | Ars Technica ( http://arstechnica.com )
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[21:45:34] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:45:35] <Bender> karma - coffee: 686
[21:46:40] <crutchy> shaped--
[21:46:40] <Bender> karma - shaped: -2
[21:48:13] <crutchy> ~weather
[21:48:21] <exec> weather for 10Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 6:00 am (AEST) ~ 108 mins ago: temp: 102.9°C (37.2°F), dp: 102.9°C (37.2°F), press: 101029.3 mb (+0.5 mb/60 mins), humid: 10100%, wind: 100 km/h (0 mph) @ 100°
[21:48:35] <crutchy> poo
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[22:11:25] <Blackmoore> http://www.zazzle.com
[22:11:32] <Blackmoore> we should of had this.
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[22:16:57] <crutchy> or a t-shirt that says "all your coffee++ are belong to us"
[22:17:01] <chromas> s/ of/'ve/
[22:17:09] <chromas> blackmoore: s/ of/'ve/
[22:17:09] <SedBot9001> <chromas> <blackmoore> we should've had this.
[22:17:44] <chromas> SedBot9001: : s/ had/'d/
[22:17:52] <chromas> SedBot9001: s/ had/'d/
[22:17:56] <chromas> :(
[22:18:43] <chromas> Shouldn't've'd it so contracted
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[23:09:27] <prospectacle> good day
[23:09:40] <prospectacle> Good work on the swag store going live, everybody
[23:09:44] <prospectacle> especailly mrcoolbp
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[23:10:08] <prospectacle> I thought the subscription would have gone up by now, but maybe I've got my timezones crossed
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[23:15:24] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle they are trying to finish up some behind the scenes stuff
[23:15:35] <prospectacle> makes sense.
[23:15:41] <prospectacle> many sales so far? If you don't mind me asking
[23:17:43] <mrcoolbp> yeah, a few
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[23:39:55] <SpallsHurgenson> is time moving strangely for other people too, or is it just me?
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[23:42:36] <SpallsHurgenson> it was moving forward last night, but then it started going backwards, then sidewards, then a bit up'n'down, then it started turning mauve, became grumpy and after that it started getting really weird
[23:51:04] <mrcoolbp> SpallsHurgenson: any chance you are sharing whatever drugs you are on?
[23:54:00] <prospectacle> spalls, did you mean to say "my chameleon" instead of "time"?
[23:55:02] <SpallsHurgenson> well, I do often get one of the fundamental building blocks of the universe and small reptiles confused...
[23:55:13] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: s/my chameleon/my underwear/
[23:56:17] * SpallsHurgenson no longer users live reptiles as undergarments
[23:57:52] <mrcoolbp> s/p/r/
[23:57:55] <mrcoolbp> sedbot
[23:57:57] <mrcoolbp> sexbot
[23:58:01] <mrcoolbp> = /
[23:58:33] <prospectacle> dedbot
[23:59:05] <SpallsHurgenson> "* SrallsHurgeonson no longer users live rertiles as undergarments"?
[23:59:33] <mrcoolbp> lol
[23:59:54] <SpallsHurgenson> that Sralls guy out-weirds even me!