#Soylent | Logs for 2014-08-04

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[00:02:31] <SirFinkus> well, disk utility is doing something I guess
[00:02:56] <paulej72> Mac OS I see
[00:03:55] <SirFinkus> yep
[00:04:27] <SirFinkus> the ui on this is awful, and hfs_fsck or whatever doesn't want to work
[00:04:29] <paulej72> fsck
[00:04:54] <SirFinkus> last resort
[00:05:01] <paulej72> boot to single user mode
[00:05:11] <SirFinkus> complicating matters is that it's an encrypted volume
[00:05:38] <paulej72> there's your problem right there
[00:05:55] <SirFinkus> so unless I'm wrong, fsck won't touch it unless it's mounted
[00:06:10] <SirFinkus> disk utility has at least given me hope
[00:07:58] <SirFinkus> no indication of how far along it is though
[00:09:37] <SirFinkus> lmao, someone is hacking Synology NASes and putting bitlocker on them
[00:12:53] <juggs> they'll be needing quite a few then :D
[00:27:35] <juggs> !todo
[00:27:35] <Bender> todo for juggs: 1) cull old image files so they don't get accidentally used 2) redo category omages to match new product lineup 3) - actually stop being a newb and man up to an arch install 4) prod categorisations 5) rss-bot wiki page 6) swag about blurb
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[00:30:29] <exec> SirFinkus, Olympia, WA, USA, 101°F (38.3°C), 05:30PM PDT, Sunday, 3 August 2014
[00:37:17] <chromas> Been a while since I heard music radio; ew
[00:40:24] <chromas> Michael Jackson's version of A Horse With No Name. He got weirder as he got whiter. I guess it's because the soul was bleached out
[00:41:02] <chromas> Ch'mon-ha!
[00:41:20] * arti laughs
[00:42:00] <SirFinkus> lol is it really 38 here?
[00:42:02] <SirFinkus> fuck this
[00:42:11] <arti> wow that's hot for wa
[00:42:20] <arti> how's the humidity
[00:42:39] <SirFinkus> not bad
[00:42:59] <chromas> That's why the olympians did sports with their clothes off
[00:43:22] <SirFinkus> ac can't keep up anymore, 25.4 in my room and rising
[00:45:13] <SirFinkus> http://imgur.com
[00:45:14] <monopoly> ^ 03imgur: the simple image sharer
[00:45:22] <SirFinkus> haha, got it
[00:45:48] <SirFinkus> conversion progress was stuck at 0% for an alarmingly long time, but it's decrypting
[00:46:00] <arti> :D
[00:46:10] <SirFinkus> my butthole was a little tight for a while there
[00:46:16] <chromas> Looks like you're wasting 4k there
[00:46:23] <arti> do you ever hold your breath?
[00:46:30] * arti does that for silly shit
[00:47:14] <SirFinkus> naw, that's just the container for the encrypted volume
[00:47:35] <SirFinkus> or something like that, not 100% clear on how filevault works
[00:52:09] <SirFinkus> I should have started this in the morning, when I go to bed I'm going to be checking it every 30 minutes and won't be able to sleep
[00:52:25] <arti> hahaha
[00:53:11] <arti> well, can't you estimate how long it'll take based on the progress so far?
[00:53:30] <SirFinkus> well, I want to know if and when it fails
[00:53:47] <SirFinkus> it's gonna be a while, 1.5TB of shit
[00:54:19] <SirFinkus> the annoying bit is that it's doing it in the background, and I need to query it to see the progress
[00:55:23] <SirFinkus> Could hack together a script to grep through the output and tell me when it's done, but I don't know what it will say when it finishes
[00:55:31] <SirFinkus> among other things
[00:55:46] <arti> how about when it doesn't change for 3 updates?
[00:56:01] <arti> have your script run every 15 mins
[00:56:49] <SirFinkus> maybe, but that doesn't really catch the "it's done" scenario
[00:57:05] <SirFinkus> I suppose I could check if the conversion progress was a number
[00:57:34] <chromas> When you sign sync a soft raid, it purposely goes slow so you can still compute but you can speed it up. Does that have an option like that?
[00:57:46] <chromas> s/sign //
[00:57:47] <exec> <chromas> When you sync a soft raid, it purposely goes slow so you can still compute but you can speed it up. Does that have an option like that?
[00:57:52] <SirFinkus> no clue
[00:58:04] <arti> check if the throttle is set next to the rabbit instead of the turtle
[00:58:17] * SirFinkus pushes the turbo button
[00:59:24] <chromas> The turbo button was as ironic as Alanis Morrisette's popularity
[01:00:07] <SirFinkus> it seems to be going at about the speed you'd expect, at current rate 6.66 hours
[01:00:10] <SirFinkus> spooky!
[01:01:30] <SirFinkus> what I really need is a terminal filled with random letters that slowly spin and decode into plaintext
[01:01:53] <SirFinkus> that should be the progress indicator for every program involved in encryption
[01:04:31] * chromas wonders if this ircd listens on all ports
[01:04:56] <arti> standard ports or what?
[01:04:58] <arti> i doubt it
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[01:05:06] <arti> all hail jamesnz
[01:05:18] <chromas> For some reason my andchat connects on port 7000
[01:05:39] <arti> thats a pretty normal irc port
[01:05:40] <JamesNZ> Thank you arti, I accept your adulation B-)
[01:05:46] <arti> 6667-7004
[01:06:47] <chromas> Ah. I guess they just cover them all then
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[01:11:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Colorado's Peak ISP Sues Former Customer Over Bad Review - http://sylnt.us - you-only-ever-get-promised-'upto'
[01:17:36] <juggs> !todo
[01:17:36] <Bender> todo for juggs: 1) cull old image files so they don't get accidentally used 2) redo category omages to match new product lineup 3) - actually stop being a newb and man up to an arch install 4) prod categorisations 5) rss-bot wiki page 6) swag about blurb
[01:17:46] <juggs> !done 2
[01:17:46] <Bender> 1 item deleted
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[01:23:19] <juggs> !todo
[01:23:19] <Bender> todo for juggs: 1) cull old image files so they don't get accidentally used 2) - actually stop being a newb and man up to an arch install 3) prod categorisations 4) rss-bot wiki page 5) swag about blurb
[01:23:26] <juggs> !done 3
[01:23:26] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[01:25:56] <juggs> !todo
[01:25:56] <Bender> todo for juggs: 1) cull old image files so they don't get accidentally used 2) - actually stop being a newb and man up to an arch install 3) rss-bot wiki page 4) swag about blurb
[01:26:00] <juggs> !done 1
[01:26:00] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[01:27:04] <SirFinkus> if I had a todo list, it'd just be a list of the people in the channel
[01:27:14] <juggs> ^.^
[01:28:13] <juggs> hope you're feeling energetic then :D
[01:28:48] <SirFinkus> 😍😍😍
[01:30:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> !todo
[01:30:03] <Bender> todo for themightybuzzard: 1) whip it, whip it good 2) get m2 working 3) argue for the death of Overrated and Underrated 4) IDN support 5) utf8mb4 upgrade 6) finish up paypal support
[01:30:09] <SirFinkus> oh shit, there are cat versions too
[01:30:40] <SirFinkus> 😻😽😼
[01:30:51] <SirFinkus> the last one is great
[01:30:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> !todo queued articles on the submissions page discussion
[01:30:52] <Bender> todo item 7 added
[01:55:55] * juggs learnt something new - #00ffffff is the colour code for transparent
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[01:57:42] <Konomi> anyone happen to know where the period goes when quoting something aka: The duck said "Quack." or: The duck said "Quack". or: The duck said "Quack.".
[01:57:45] <Konomi> freaking english I swear
[02:01:05] <arti> periods and commas go inside the quotation marks
[02:01:16] <arti> and the sentence ends
[02:01:30] <juggs> depends what you are quoting. In your example context, { The duck said "Quack". } A period generally only goes inside the quotes when using them to illustrate speech. e.g. The bloke said, "I''ve, had enough of this. I''m going home.". So you would be quoting the sentences spoke.
[02:01:41] <arti> And then Konomi turned and said "freaking english I swear."
[02:02:02] <Konomi> okay so if it's a quote the period in the quote ends the quote and the sentence it is in?
[02:02:15] <SirFinkus> I was taught that periods only go inside if the quote is at the end of the sentence containing it
[02:02:32] <SirFinkus> fucking english
[02:02:34] <Konomi> SirFinkus: that seems to be the most logical one for me
[02:02:43] <SirFinkus> oh, exceptions of course
[02:02:44] <arti> http://en.wikipedia.org
[02:02:49] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Quotation mark: Quotation marks or inverted commas (informally referred to as quotes[1] and speech marks) are punctuation marks used in pairs to set off speech, a quotation, a phrase, or a word. They come as a pair of opening and closing marks in either...
[02:03:08] <SirFinkus> exclamations and questions go in the quotes
[02:03:12] <SirFinkus> the marks I mean
[02:03:13] <arti> http://books.google.com
[02:03:13] <monopoly> ^ 03The King's English ... - Henry Watson Fowler, Francis George Fowler - Google Books
[02:04:23] <Konomi> love how it takes pages just to cite the usage of something so simple...
[02:04:48] <arti> http://www.quickanddirtytips.com
[02:04:48] <monopoly> ^ 03Grammar Girl : Quotation Marks with Periods and Commas :: Quick and Dirty Tips ™
[02:04:54] <arti> 2 pages with examples
[02:05:07] <arti> see page two for the exclamations and questions
[02:05:08] <Konomi> and there's different styles
[02:05:10] <Konomi> grrrr
[02:05:37] <SirFinkus> I'd usually just pick up a book and use whatever the author used
[02:05:41] <juggs> US grammar is probably a slightly different convention to UK grammar. Da fuq do I know - I only spent 6 years attending a grammar school :D
[02:05:58] * arti likes the differences
[02:06:03] <arti> Microsoft are dumb!
[02:06:06] <arti> Microsoft is dumb!
[02:06:31] <arti> colour :D
[02:06:37] <arti> reminds me of the canadians
[02:06:44] <juggs> I like that it changes over time - language and usage thereof wants to be a living thing.
[02:06:54] <SirFinkus> US spelling of color is objectively better
[02:06:55] <arti> "we'll speak it american but preserve the british spelling"
[02:06:56] <SirFinkus> discuss
[02:07:14] <juggs> Mircorsoft is - you are referring to a single corporation
[02:07:19] <juggs> lol sp.!
[02:07:33] <arti> but a corporation is a group of people
[02:07:33] <SirFinkus> although UK aluminium is better
[02:07:40] <arti> yeah, hilarious how we got that wrong
[02:07:50] <arti> "behold the value of checksums!"
[02:13:18] <juggs> arti - yes microsoft employs a group of people. As an entity it is a single corporation so "is" should be used here.
[02:15:14] <arti> i concur
[02:16:15] <juggs> American English seems to me to be more phonetically correct, whilst English English clings to spellings borne out of the various historical derivations of the various words.
[02:16:21] <arti> http://itre.cis.upenn.edu
[02:16:22] <monopoly> ^ 03Language Log: Collective nouns with singular verbs and plural pronouns
[02:17:14] <Popeidol> yeah, they sometimes change the spelling to match the pronunciation, and sometimes change the pronunciation to match the spelling
[02:17:39] <Popeidol> example: lieutenant
[02:21:28] <SirFinkus> at least English doesn't have genders (mostly)
[02:22:17] <SirFinkus> still have nautical remnants, but you can get away with calling a boat "it" without anyone blinking
[02:22:42] <SirFinkus> the she/her he/him this is kind of dumb though
[02:25:30] <juggs> it is a massive hotch-potch of words gained from who knows how many conquering and trading civilisations. Latinate / Germanic / Celtic / etc. /etc. /etc. ~shrugs~ language is beautiful.
[02:28:01] <stderr> Did anyone else get two "[SoylentNews] Stories for 2014-08-04" emails today or am I just "lucky"?
[02:29:03] <SirFinkus> I did too, I figured it was mail.app fucking up again
[02:29:42] <stderr> No mail.app here...
[02:29:54] <SirFinkus> yeah, looks like I did get two
[02:30:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> stderr, paulej72 restarted slashd earlier and it likely ended up running daily.pl twice because of it.
[02:30:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Deepsea Challenger 3D - Pioneering Movie - http://sylnt.us - films-that-sink
[02:30:57] <SirFinkus> makes sense to me
[02:32:01] <stderr> No locking, eh?
[02:32:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> supposed to be. i'm calling bug.
[02:33:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> not going to bother documenting it though as it's not a remotely regular occurrence. if someone else wants to, have at it.
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[02:34:54] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[02:34:55] <monopoly> ^ 03Friction Stir Steel Butt Weld Demonstration - Manufacturing Technology, Inc. - YouTube
[02:34:57] <SirFinkus> I want one
[02:35:51] <stderr> You want a Steel Butt?
[02:36:07] <SirFinkus> a friction stir welder
[02:36:24] <SirFinkus> but butt welding is fun too
[02:36:48] <stderr> I was about to make a "kiss my shiny metal ass"-joke...
[02:37:26] <SirFinkus> well it's neat
[02:37:58] <SirFinkus> you grind both pieces of metal down so you have two 45 degree angles meeting each other at the edges
[02:38:31] <SirFinkus> then you use a rod with high penetration, like 6010
[02:38:52] <stderr> Bender doesn't grind, he bends.
[02:39:14] <SirFinkus> if you have everything set up correctly, you should get a hole in your puddle that closes up as it hardens, so you end up having beads on both sides
[02:39:35] <SirFinkus> then you layer 7018 on top of it if it's not flush with the surface yet
[02:41:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is neat and all but i don't do enough welding to warrant anything but a little crackerbox
[02:43:14] * arti watched a video on thermite welding on railroad tracks
[02:46:28] <SirFinkus> thermite welding is cool
[02:46:33] <SirFinkus> explosive welding is neater
[02:46:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> i need to make myself a fishing rod holder that fits over a 4" square tubing rail
[02:47:08] <paulej72> OK slashd was running twice
[02:47:23] <SirFinkus> lol
[02:47:23] <paulej72> That is why everyone got double emails
[02:47:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> neat. twice as efficient
[02:47:35] <arti> paule, now with 2x as more soylent!
[02:47:46] <arti> much?
[02:47:47] <SirFinkus> that's one way to make something multithreaded
[02:47:53] <arti> hahaha
[02:48:05] <SirFinkus> and people say adding multithreading is hard
[02:49:14] <paulej72> then I dropped gluster when I was trying to kill slashd. luckily a remount fixed it quidkly before it had a hissy fit
[02:49:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeep
[02:50:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> gluster breaks often enough without help
[02:51:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, i don't think many folks truly appreciate the ragged edge of functioning we ride
[02:58:11] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[02:58:12] <monopoly> ^ 03IIIIIIIt's a clinkerrrr!!! - YouTube
[03:05:55] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, never underestimate the power of the wave you ride, for if you do it will smite you down with a mighty vengeance.
[03:06:05] * juggs thinks he may be turning into a bot
[03:06:14] <arti> :D
[03:08:22] <juggs> there's not even any sense in what I just wrote - it's a pulp fictionesque nonsensical bullshittery and I am ashamed.
[03:08:46] <arti> you're doing good
[03:08:56] <arti> soon you can be turned loose and have autopilot conversations
[03:10:03] <juggs> I do that most of the time anyway
[03:11:34] <juggs> Oh feck - I am just some AI neural network experimental algorithm run by a spotty faced youth. Please don't switch me off.
[03:12:30] * arti doesn't want to find your switch
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[03:36:51] <juggs> arti, don't blame you, it was deliberately placed in a sweaty crevice where only the very bravest would dare explore
[03:38:22] <chromas> Wait, you're already turned on?
[03:38:30] * chromas slowly backs away
[03:44:18] <juggs> the flashing nuclear hazard holograph above my head should have been warning enough that I was armed and dangerous :D
[03:59:16] <juggs> !todo move rss-bot to carbon
[03:59:16] <Bender> todo item 4 added
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[04:41:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Size and Age of Plants Impact Productivity More than Climate - http://sylnt.us - cut-it-in-half-and-count-the-rings
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[06:10:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Global Income Inequality is Actually Falling - http://sylnt.us - tell-that-to-my-bank-account
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[07:37:32] <crutchy> sourdough++
[07:37:32] <Bender> karma - sourdough: 1
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[08:22:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Winding down Google+? - http://sylnt.us - Circling-the-Drain
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[08:58:48] <crutchy> bacon++
[08:58:48] <Bender> karma - bacon: 243
[08:59:22] <crutchy> bacon++
[08:59:23] <Bender> karma - bacon: 244
[09:08:43] <ar> coffee--
[09:08:43] <Bender> karma - coffee: 492
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[09:51:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Rescuing Erie (Again) - http://sylnt.us - Don't-Put-in-Bay
[09:53:05] <JamesNZ> 'Flickr' is misspelled as 'Flikr' on that post.
[09:59:12] <xxx> Nah, it got that much cooler; had to take another consonant
[09:59:24] <xxx> Or an
[10:00:15] <JamesNZ> Heh.
[10:01:13] <Konomi> some arse hat broke into my car and tried to hot wire it -.-
[10:01:19] <Konomi> just finished talking with the police
[10:01:46] <crutchy> hi konomi. that's no good :-(
[10:01:46] <ciri> hello, nice to see yea! crutchy
[10:01:50] <xxx> Police--
[10:01:50] <Bender> karma - police: -1
[10:02:12] <crutchy> did you cover the steering wheel with infectious boogers?
[10:02:31] <Konomi> I hope they catch anal boils or something ^^;
[10:02:41] <Konomi> least they only ripped out the wires I think the car will be okay
[10:02:46] <Konomi> could've been worse -.-
[10:02:58] <Konomi> glad the after market imboliser was in it oldish car
[10:04:13] <exec> 00,12g00,02i00,06v00,04e00,07s00,08 00,09K00,12o00,02n00,06o00,04m00,07i00,08 00,09c00,12u00,02d00,06d00,04l00,07e00,08s
[10:11:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:11:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 493
[10:12:47] * crutchy is contemplating having a go at phpstorm
[10:14:06] <crutchy> not sure how i would go kicking my addiction to gedit
[10:18:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> ides... pffft
[10:18:26] <crutchy> gedit++
[10:18:26] <Bender> karma - gedit: 6
[10:19:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> gvim++
[10:19:08] <Bender> karma - gvim: 1
[10:19:18] <crutchy> did some vba last week, but i preferred to use notepad
[10:19:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> i used to do that then i found out gvim works fine on windows
[10:20:10] * crutchy has gedit installed on his windows machine at work :)
[10:20:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> as well you should
[10:21:32] <crutchy> i think i tried gvim on windows too. from memory it was the only program that was able to read a 4gb pst file from a 3d point cloud scanner
[10:23:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds about right
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[10:24:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, KonomiNetbook
[10:24:26] <crutchy> g'day KonomiNetbook
[10:24:26] <ciri> hello, nice to see yea! crutchy
[10:24:41] <crutchy> are you related to Konomi by any chance?
[10:24:54] * KonomiNetbook feels like strangling xyz person the police have in custody
[10:26:41] <crutchy> i wouldn't recommend that. he might get a boner
[10:27:13] <KonomiNetbook> blood stops flowing once they're dead
[10:28:53] * KonomiNetbook is considering soldering in an alarm to the car now
[10:29:05] * TheMightyBuzzard gets to work on daemon writing
[10:29:40] <crutchy> KonomiNetbook, you should solder a guard dog onto your car
[10:30:02] <KonomiNetbook> I have enough electronics knowledge
[10:30:14] <KonomiNetbook> the idea of making a cattle prod like circut came to mind
[10:30:37] <crutchy> sharks with lasers?
[10:31:41] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard is battling his deamons
[10:31:42] <Popeidol> put an airhorn under the seat, wire it directly to ignition
[10:32:02] <crutchy> ignition of explosive fart gas
[10:32:11] <Popeidol> last time I looked it up they had 12 and 24v models so it works well
[10:32:15] <KonomiNetbook> Popeidol: that came to mind
[10:33:02] <crutchy> it will also server as a good wake up alarm when you're heading off to work
[10:33:45] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, what kinda daemon are you writing?
[10:34:00] <crutchy> slashd beta
[10:34:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> paypal instant payment notification daemon since we're having hell getting ipn to work through slash.
[10:35:16] <KonomiNetbook> makes me so upset though
[10:35:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> hit a point yesterday where we had to say "this shit may not be possible under slash"
[10:35:37] <KonomiNetbook> already unemployed like I need people breaking into my car
[10:36:18] <crutchy> KonomiNetbook, i had a bird bath stolen out of my front yard. shook me up for days. just the thought of some stranger going into my yard and taking something
[10:36:49] <crutchy> i don't know how people cope with home invasion. that could scare the shit out of me
[10:36:58] <crutchy> s/could/would
[10:36:59] <exec> <crutchy> i don't know how people cope with home invasion. that would scare the shit out of me
[10:37:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... an inverter and a bank of capacitors laid out as a voltage multiplier n wired to something in the car
[10:37:24] <crutchy> paint bomb
[10:37:26] <crutchy> :p'
[10:38:07] <crutchy> problem with all these ideas: false alarms?
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[10:38:25] * TheMightyBuzzard made a voltage multiplier for his 500V transformer what makes for a rather nifty high voltage power supply
[10:38:25] <crutchy> don't want our poor konomi getting a fried arse
[10:38:51] <KonomiNetbook> van de graph generator in my boot
[10:38:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> no idea what the actual voltage is. it'd fry my multimeter if i checked.
[10:39:01] <KonomiNetbook> "what is that whirling sound?"
[10:39:03] <KonomiNetbook> freaking zap
[10:39:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[10:39:24] * crutchy wonders if he could fit one of the 500kV transformers from nearby in his boot
[10:40:19] <crutchy> might have to stick the bushings out the windows
[10:40:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> vdg gen and you wouldn't need a it. just the largest metal ball you could find that would fit in your trunk.
[10:41:09] <Popeidol> crutchy clearly took Red Alert as a guide rather than a game
[10:41:13] <Popeidol> tesla tannkkkssss
[10:41:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn russians and their tesla tanks
[10:46:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, vdg wouldn't really work. it'd drain your car battery too quickly unless you rigged a capacitor storage bank and then you'd be limited to what the caps are rated at for voltage
[10:47:13] <crutchy> pimp my ride for konomi: http://www.vde.com
[10:47:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> how about a claymore mine under the driver's seat that you need to disarm from the door handle before you sit down?
[10:48:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> pound of c4 and 1k ball bearings are enough to ruin anyone's day.
[10:48:45] <crutchy> and if you forget you won't need to buy any anal beads for a while
[10:49:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> except as gifts
[10:50:15] <Popeidol> disarming is the tricky part
[10:50:43] <Popeidol> convenience says you'd rig it to your phone's bluetooth or something so you being in the general vicinity disarms it
[10:51:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, just put an unlabeled switch on the door handle
[10:51:11] <Popeidol> but anything from a simple switch to a knock code would work
[10:52:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> i had a car that the ignition switch went out on and i was too creative not to wire a huge honkin button up underneath the dash and leave the switch gone
[10:52:50] <Popeidol> oh, and bonus points if manage to forcibly lock the doors before setting off the airhorn
[10:53:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> car thief gets in, says wtf, no switch and not even any wires running up the steering column
[10:54:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> would have had to know the button was up behind the ashtray or you couldn't drive the car period
[10:54:25] <crutchy> go full matrix and have a probe that you shove up your butthole that 'anal'yses your dna
[10:55:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> rather not. rubbers to keep from having to clean the probe would get expensive.
[10:55:27] <crutchy> you could fit the optional enema attachment
[10:57:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't need one. coffee takes care of that.
[10:58:50] <crutchy> coffee_enema++
[10:58:50] <Bender> karma - coffee_enema: 1
[10:59:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee_enema--
[10:59:11] <Bender> karma - coffee_enema: 0
[10:59:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> waste of perfectly good coffee when it does the same thing when you put it in the end you can appreciate the taste from
[11:01:14] <crutchy> international_roast_coffee_enema++ no taste to appreciate
[11:01:14] <Bender> karma - international_roast_coffee_enema: 1
[11:01:58] <crutchy> actually my arse makes enough noise without being kept awake by coffee
[11:07:32] * TheMightyBuzzard gets back to work
[11:19:01] <crutchy> bacon++
[11:19:01] <Bender> karma - bacon: 245
[11:19:11] <Popeidol> beecone++
[11:19:12] <Bender> karma - beecone: 1
[11:23:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather Warsaw
[11:24:04] <exec> weather for 10Warsaw, PL at 2014-08-04 10:55:00 (UTC) ~ 0.5 hrs ago:
[11:24:04] <exec> temp: 1090°F (32.2°C), dp: 1060.9°F (16.1°C), press: 101013.8 mb (0 mb over 0.2 hrs), humid: 1038%, wind: 10(no data) @ 10(no data)
[12:10:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Eire is Part of the USA According to US Court - http://sylnt.us - Erin-go-Here
[12:18:58] <ar> TheMightyBuzzard: you're from warsaw?
[12:19:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, that's where NC is off vacationing
[12:19:30] <ar> oh
[12:19:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> good weather for it too. summery without being wicked hot or humid
[12:19:47] <ar> i should bring him to our local hackerspace
[12:19:53] <ar> we have a cryptoparty today
[12:20:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, ^^
[12:21:51] <NCommander> ar, are you in Warsaw?
[12:22:07] <ar> NCommander: yup
[12:22:23] <NCommander> ar, I just got here an hour ago
[12:22:31] <ar> hehe. you're at the chopin airport?
[12:22:36] <NCommander> I found a nice open air place with wifi, sat my ass down, and called it good
[12:22:37] <NCommander> ar, no, came in from Berlin by train
[12:22:51] <ar> oh. so central station probably
[12:22:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> ima have to visit PL one of these years. haven't talked to a single polish person who i didn't dig aside from an inexplicable coffee aversion
[12:23:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus it's one of my favorite file extensions
[12:23:15] <NCommander> ar, I can see the giant Novotel from where Im sitting, on the intersection of Marszalkowska and Wslna
[12:25:14] <ar> NCommander: http://warszawa.jakdojade.pl - that might come in handy
[12:25:16] <monopoly> ^ 03jakdojade.pl - Wspierane przeglądarki ( http://warszawa.jakdojade.pl )
[12:25:29] <NCommander> ar, I won't mind going to a hackerspace, though I'm going to need find a shower, and preferably, a place with landuary services before then (clean cloths is something of a luxury item when you're backpacking)
[12:25:39] <ar> hm
[12:25:56] <ar> dunno about showers and loundry services around here
[12:26:08] <NCommander> ar, I'm pretty sure my hostel can point me in the right direction
[12:26:12] <NCommander> ar, what time is the hacker space?
[12:26:58] <ar> NCommander: the cryptoparty starts at 5PM, the hackerspace is at Długa 44/50
[12:27:18] <ar> NCommander: if you're on freenode you can hop in on #hackerspace-pl
[12:28:02] <NCommander> ar, poof
[12:29:34] <NCommander> ar, as a note, I don't speak Polish :-)
[12:31:10] <ar> yeah, i noticed ;)
[12:31:41] <NCommander> ar, how fish out of water am I going to be?
[12:31:56] * NCommander was ok at the Beijing Linux Users Group when I dropped in, but there were a *lot* of expats there
[12:32:18] <ar> NCommander: at the hackerspace? well… foreign guests are somewhat regular around here
[12:32:49] <ar> btw, if you'll have trouble finding the place, you can either ping me on irc or sms me (+48 607174667)
[12:33:11] <ar> but for now… bbl
[12:33:42] <NCommander> ar, cya
[12:33:50] <NCommander> ar, I'm going to have to find a way to make my phone work -_-;
[12:35:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, google voice would work if you have google wallet set up and some cash in it. other than that i got nothin.
[12:37:21] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, its the making a phone call bit thats difficult
[12:37:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, meant for texts
[12:38:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't even have a cell so i just use google voice and some nifty bits o perl i wrote
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[13:20:47] <exec> SirFinkus: Olympia, WA, USA, 14.4°C (58°F), 6:20 am PDT, Monday, 4 August 2014
[13:21:08] <NCommander> it is hot
[13:24:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> low humidity though
[13:24:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[13:25:15] <exec> weather for 10Ada, Ada Municipal Airport, OK, United States at 2014-08-04 12:55:00 (UTC) ~ 0.5 hrs ago:
[13:25:16] <exec> temp: 1071.6°F (22°C), dp: 1069.8°F (21°C), press: 101020 mb (0 mb over 0.3 hrs), humid: 1094%, wind: 100 mph (0 km/h) @ 100°
[13:25:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> not so much here
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[13:42:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - UK Signals Intelligence Agency (GCHQ) Certifies Masters Degree in Cyber Security - http://sylnt.us - Lesson-1:-protect-users'-personal-data
[13:42:41] <u> oh joy
[13:43:01] <u> the new UK: funnel all graduates into GCHQ, reinforce surveillence complex
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[13:58:04] <NCommander> ar, alright, I'm now slightly boiled American, ready to face the world :-)
[13:58:18] <ar> hehe
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[13:59:26] <TK> coffee++
[13:59:26] <Bender> karma - coffee: 494
[13:59:31] <TK> Monday--
[13:59:31] <Bender> karma - monday: -1
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[14:05:21] <LaminatorX> Does that make you "blanched," NCommander?
[14:05:40] <NCommander> ar, well, I forgot there are countries in the world that understand the concept of hot water :-P
[14:05:56] <NCommander> ar, so where is that hackerspace?
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[14:06:50] <ar> NCommander: Długa 44/50. https://www.google.com!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x471ecc64cad57aa1:0xb26f1576b820ae03
[14:06:51] <monopoly> ^ 03D?uga 44/50, 00-241 Warszawa, Poland - Google Maps ( https://maps.google.com )
[14:07:18] <ar> NCommander: you can check if anyone's there by going to http://at.hackerspace.pl
[14:07:20] <monopoly> ^ 03Now at hackerspace
[14:07:29] <ar> NCommander: or by issuing :at on the #hackerspace-pl channel
[14:08:33] <ar> NCommander: i'm going to take a shower and get there. should be there before 5PM
[14:08:47] <NCommander> ar, it doesn't look like its that far from the train station
[14:08:52] <NCommander> ar, I'll get going here in a bit
[14:09:17] <ar> NCommander: you can take the Metro or trams (the closest station is Ratusz Arsenał)
[14:09:52] <ar> (yes, warsaw is one of those cities where public transportation actually works)
[14:10:36] <ar> NCommander: Ratusz Arsenał sounds somewhat like "Rat house arse now" ;)
[14:13:10] <NCommander> ar, I have high standards for public transit coming from NYC
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[14:24:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[14:24:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 495
[14:33:04] <Konomi> crutchy: you around?
[14:33:31] <Konomi> actually anyone can sport this question what is a good user agent that will be accepted by almost all servers
[14:40:10] <LaminatorX> I usually pretend to be IE9 on Windows 7 when I'm faking.
[14:46:37] <ar> dwb on os/2 ;)
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[15:05:52] <crutchy> use firefoxes or iceweasels ua
[15:06:32] <crutchy> exec uses "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20140429 Firefox/24.0 Iceweasel/24.5.0"
[15:07:17] <ar> hm
[15:07:50] <ar> now i'm starting to get worried - i should've given NCommander a bit more precise directions
[15:11:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - McDonalds Loses Ability to Shield Itself from Worker Lawsuits - http://sylnt.us - would-you-like-fries-with-that?
[15:23:53] <crutchy> backpacker + codemonkey = prolly got a pretty good knack for winging it
[15:24:38] <crutchy> i'm sure he'll find his way, or whip up some perl to hack a lamp post for directions :p
[15:26:21] <Konomi> crutchy: yeah I just ended up using 'Mozilla/5.0 perlbot/1.0"
[15:26:25] <Konomi> seems to work fine
[15:26:43] <Konomi> http://paste.ofcode.org
[15:26:45] <monopoly> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[15:26:49] <Konomi> just wrote all this crap
[15:28:18] <crutchy> cool :D
[15:30:47] <crutchy> i made up these little functions for exec scripts to do webby things
[15:30:49] <crutchy> https://github.com
[15:30:50] <monopoly> ^ 03test/lib.php at master · crutchy-/test · GitHub
[15:31:10] <crutchy> wtouch function looks like might be similar to yours
[15:31:36] <Konomi> your lind endings are invalid
[15:32:09] <Konomi> \r\n is irc spec
[15:32:21] <crutchy> just gets the first 256 bytes
[15:32:26] <crutchy> oh?
[15:32:27] <Konomi> when you send data to irc strictly it should be with the \r as per spec
[15:32:51] <Konomi> crutchy: I can't imagine the headers ever being over 256 kb so I limited it to that
[15:33:34] <Konomi> and I am hoping that no html page is over 1mb in size...
[15:33:45] <crutchy> exec's whead function uses a head request to get just headers
[15:34:21] <crutchy> i think originally i used \r\n for irc breaks, but xlefay told me they weren't needed
[15:34:52] <Konomi> technically probably not but the spec specifys them
[15:35:18] <crutchy> nod nod
[15:40:05] <crutchy> this is my first ever code commit to github. can see the \r\n breaks here: https://github.com
[15:40:06] <monopoly> ^ 03initial release of bot.php · 76a5bfa · crutchy-/test · GitHub
[15:40:45] <crutchy> wow lot changed since then :p
[15:42:09] <crutchy> that script wasn't able to write to the wiki. the current wiki script uses the wikimedia api
[15:44:58] <ar> "You live in Alaska? That's so cool"
[15:46:05] * NCommander whacks ar just for good measure
[15:46:09] <Konomi> just realised that max value is in bytes not kb
[15:46:10] <Konomi> derp
[15:46:12] <ar> hehe
[15:46:37] <ar> I can confirm that NCommander is a real person
[15:46:39] <NCommander> ar, knew it was too easy. Warsaw has street signs and building numbers. I was lured into a false sense of security that I would have accurate directions :-P
[15:48:32] <NCommander> And the discussion has moved to launching soylentnews.pl <g>
[15:48:36] <Konomi> had to redo some of it head() doesn't honor max_size
[15:48:42] <Konomi> just commented it out with a note
[15:48:54] <NCommander> Konomi, what are you coding and in what?
[15:49:01] <Konomi> irc bot in perl
[15:49:05] <ar> oh. irc bot
[15:49:08] <Konomi> no I will not help with the website I want my sanity
[15:49:16] <crutchy> lol
[15:49:18] * Konomi hides
[15:49:36] <LaminatorX> I thought SoylentNews was already in Perl. :P
[15:50:13] * crutchy imagines NC attempting jedi mind control on Konomi
[15:50:17] <Konomi> >.<
[15:50:35] <Konomi> I think I have gnuscreen down pat now too
[15:50:56] <NCommander> Konomi, what sanity?
[15:51:08] <NCommander> and pl == polish, not perl
[15:51:19] <NCommander> Though I'd be curious to see if Perl and polish share similar grammar :-)
[15:51:20] * NCommander ducks
[15:51:34] <Konomi> my paste was a little up from this chat if you want to see that ;p
[15:53:04] <LaminatorX> Alas, my pun did fail.
[15:53:29] <ar> NCommander: you can reorder words in a sentence in polish in just about any way
[15:54:05] <crutchy> ar, welcome to the soylent has-been-whacked-by-ncommander club :D
[15:54:19] <Konomi> https://www.youtube.com
[15:54:20] <monopoly> ^ 03RAINBOW BUNCHIE!! - YouTube
[15:54:22] <Konomi> my test url
[15:54:25] * Konomi hides
[15:54:53] <crutchy> that is disturbing
[15:54:59] <crutchy> i like trains
[15:55:00] <exec> http://www.youtube.com
[15:55:32] <Konomi> rainbow bunchie is love
[15:55:53] <ar> NCommander: rysiek's always making puns
[15:56:02] <Konomi> there's always https://www.youtube.com
[15:56:03] <monopoly> ^ 03Robot Unicorn Attack Song - YouTube
[15:56:26] <NCommander> Ugh
[15:56:35] <crutchy> there's an asdf about rainbows too
[15:56:35] <NCommander> ar, I've entered a pundugon
[15:56:36] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[15:56:37] <monopoly> ^ 03asdf Rainbows clip - YouTube
[15:56:44] <Konomi> already seen but good
[15:57:09] <crutchy> asdf++
[15:57:09] <Bender> karma - asdf: 1
[15:57:40] <Konomi> speaking of comedy
[15:57:52] <Konomi> warning nsfw he swears like a sailor: https://www.youtube.com
[15:57:53] <monopoly> ^ 03Skyrim - Unarmed Badass Viking Commentary - YouTube
[15:58:12] <NCommander> Konomi, you're from oceania, I don't know if you're humor can legally be exported to the rest of the world
[15:58:22] * NCommander is fairly sure its considered a crime against humanity
[15:58:28] <Konomi> well he's swedish it's not au comedy
[15:58:30] <NCommander> *your humor
[15:58:31] <Konomi> this is the internets
[15:58:48] <NCommander> Konomi, yes, I know. I went around the world so I could use internet in the same room as ar
[15:58:48] <NCommander> :-)
[15:58:55] <ar> hehe
[15:59:14] <Popeidol> *your humour
[15:59:34] <NCommander> http://www.gcmap.com - I'm not kidding when I say half way around the world either :-P
[15:59:35] <monopoly> ^ 03Great Circle Mapper
[15:59:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> sanity is overrated
[16:00:13] <NCommander> Although TBH, this is the route I travelled: http://www.gcmap.com
[16:00:14] <monopoly> ^ 03Great Circle Mapper
[16:01:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> do think i need to take a break from slash n perl for a couple hours though
[16:01:36] <crutchy> lol "who the fuck wants to be a walrus"
[16:01:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> just asked my brain for more code and it gave me the monty python penis song
[16:01:40] <crutchy> :p
[16:01:43] <NCommander> pub 4096R/D2247639 2011-05-12 [expires: 2015-03-23]
[16:01:43] <NCommander> Key fingerprint = 37F0 1189 3BAE 3611 C45B 8E15 733E 1A42 D224 7639
[16:01:48] <NCommander> Yay for keysigning
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[16:03:58] <crutchy> gcmap is pretty cool
[16:04:24] <crutchy> i heard of the term "great circle" when i was doing gps data logging software for flight testing
[16:04:35] <ar> n
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[16:04:57] <crutchy> something to do with working out distance around the globe or something from memory
[16:05:49] <NCommander> crutchy, its basically a way to measure mileage on a sphere
[16:05:50] <Popeidol> great circle > pretty good circle
[16:06:06] <Konomi> who needs biometrics when you have encrpytion
[16:06:18] <ar> NCommander:
[16:06:19] <ar> pub 4096R/4F052E48 2013-04-11 [expires: 2023-04-09]
[16:06:19] <ar> Key fingerprint = E049 33D9 CC51 DF75 68CE 1203 9AF0 C7CD 4F05 2E48
[16:06:51] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard: omg there's a monty python penis song?!
[16:07:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, how did you not know this?
[16:07:10] * crutchy is ashamed
[16:07:53] <_NSAKEY> ... and now those key fingerprints will be forever associated with the two of you.
[16:08:00] <crutchy> lol
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[16:08:20] <crutchy> _NSAKEY you forgot to add "mwahahahaha!"
[16:08:21] <NCommander> We're doing keysigning <g>
[16:09:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[16:09:14] <monopoly> ^ 03The Penis Song - Monty Pythons - YouTube
[16:09:19] <crutchy> ar, does NCommander smell like a backpacker?
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[16:10:13] <NCommander> crutchy, I showered
[16:10:14] <NCommander> !
[16:10:16] <NCommander> :-P
[16:10:30] <NCommander> Doesn't help that Poland has this thing called summer and its hot and sticky
[16:10:31] <NCommander> :-P
[16:10:44] <Popeidol> poland has summer?
[16:10:50] <Popeidol> I've only ever seen it covered in snow
[16:10:53] <ar> crutchy: i didn't smell him. and don't ask me to do it - i won't
[16:11:00] <Popeidol> usually with grizzled men clad in fur
[16:11:26] <crutchy> Konomi: re internets humour. you might like this guy too https://www.youtube.com
[16:11:27] <monopoly> ^ 03PewDiePie - YouTube
[16:11:38] <Konomi> already watch hehe
[16:11:43] <crutchy> he's a fucking weirdo, but he says some funny shit
[16:11:45] <crutchy> ah
[16:11:57] <Konomi> I like watching him scream in horror games
[16:11:58] <Konomi> ;p
[16:12:03] <crutchy> lol
[16:12:03] <ciri> it's not that funny :)
[16:12:03] <NCommander> ar, ew
[16:12:12] <NCommander> >.>;
[16:12:15] <NCommander> er, crutchy, ew
[16:12:52] <NCommander> Seriously, you don't ask someone to smell someone else over the internet. You know, basic manors :-P
[16:15:54] <Konomi> smell my code
[16:15:58] <Konomi> does this code seem okay to you
[16:16:00] <Konomi> or is it off?
[16:16:28] <ar> Konomi: links?
[16:20:12] <Konomi> was a joke ;p
[16:22:20] * crutchy wishes he had manors
[16:22:33] <crutchy> lol
[16:22:48] <crutchy> @ off code
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[16:30:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Carbon Offsets Boondoggle - http://sylnt.us - nothing-up-my-sleeve
[16:34:10] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[16:34:11] <monopoly> ^ 03FLAPPY BIRD - DONT PLAY THIS GAME! - YouTube
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[17:05:51] <ar> NCommander: they're making a lot of noise, don't they?
[17:06:00] <ar> NCommander: they're talking about polish movies
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[17:10:18] <NCommander> ar, I need to go see GUardians of the Galaxy
[17:10:36] * NCommander notes the last film I saw in Europe was Skyfall in Ljubalama(sp?)
[17:26:33] * arti saw it this weekend
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[17:30:58] <ar> NCommander: Ljubljana - capital of slovenia?
[17:38:00] <NCommander> ar, indeed :-)
[17:38:07] <NCommander> Also known as one of the most boring places on earth
[17:39:21] <ar> NCommander: i know a man who's regular on irc who lives there
[17:40:31] <arti> i think yo ucan spot the boring places, they have high teen pregnancy
[17:41:16] <ar> arti: …UK?
[17:43:23] <arti> apparently :P
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[17:49:39] <exec> SirFinkus: Olympia, WA, USA, 18.9°C (66°F), 10:49 am PDT, Monday, 4 August 2014
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[19:06:51] <exec> TheMightyBuzzard: Ada, OK, USA, 30°C (86°F), 2:06 pm CDT, Monday, 4 August 2014
[19:31:51] <ar> NCommander is getting soaking wet now
[19:31:57] <ar> ~weather ar
[19:32:00] <exec> weather for 10Warsaw, PL at 2014-08-04 18:56:00 (UTC) ~ 0.6 hrs ago:
[19:32:00] <exec> temp: 1079°F (26.1°C), dp: 1053.3°F (11.8°C), press: 101012.8 mb (0 mb over 0.2 hrs), humid: 1040%, wind: 10(no data) @ 10(no data)
[19:35:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> raining is it?
[19:50:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Journals Encourage Bad Science When They Search for Excitement - http://sylnt.us - stored-in-the-round-filing-cabinet
[20:00:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://arstechnica.com
[20:00:49] <monopoly> ^ 03Opposite of OPSEC: Russian soldier posts selfies—from inside Ukraine | Ars Technica
[20:00:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> Told. You. So.
[20:45:06] <crutchy> prolly a posed setup to stir the pot. false flags are as old as time
[20:45:31] <crutchy> wmd's anyone?
[20:45:51] <SirFinkus> who cares about ukraine? there might be ebola in NYC
[20:46:19] <arti> thanks to the gods of money and science there appears to be treatment
[20:46:30] <arti> it requires vast infusions of cash
[20:46:36] <crutchy> in the water supply?
[20:46:47] <arti> the old fashioned way
[20:47:24] <SirFinkus> naw some guy flew in from west africa
[20:47:30] <SirFinkus> being tested now
[20:47:41] <arti> he should've just come up through mexico
[20:48:02] <crutchy> there's probably been ebola in various labs in NY for years
[20:48:23] <SirFinkus> slightly different when some flies in and shows up at a hospital though
[20:48:50] <arti> quarantining people is so classist
[20:49:21] <crutchy> they'll make a big enough deal of it in the media to scare everyone away from the area to stop it spreading
[20:49:25] <SirFinkus> who wants to be fema death camp bunk mates?
[20:49:33] <arti> !decide yes no
[20:49:33] <ciri> The roll of the dice picks: yes.
[20:49:36] <arti> i do!
[20:49:57] <SirFinkus> hopefully they let use share a bin too
[20:50:09] <SirFinkus> if not, they'll at least put us in the same mass grave
[20:50:12] <crutchy> and a toilet
[20:50:18] <arti> "bucket"
[20:50:33] <SirFinkus> floor that is hosed off twice a week
[20:50:56] <crutchy> twice!? that's a bit rich
[20:51:06] <xxx> I thought ny was already a toilet
[20:51:19] <arti> :D
[20:51:33] <SirFinkus> well crutchy, they re-use the water
[20:51:40] <SirFinkus> the water is only changed monthly
[20:51:44] <SirFinkus> gotta be green and all
[20:51:49] <arti> then its packaged into sunny d
[20:51:58] <crutchy> arti, it does have a big pipe coming from underneath that supplies the water
[20:52:05] <SirFinkus> it's what they make the "bug juice" out of
[20:52:31] <crutchy> oops s/arti/xxx/
[20:52:31] <exec> last message by "oops" not found
[20:52:32] <exec> syntax: 8[nick[:|,|>|.] ]s/pattern/replace[/[g]]
[20:52:52] <arti> denied.
[20:59:40] <crutchy> not sure if that should fail silently or not :/
[21:01:20] <crutchy> i guess its good to have some feedback to see where went wrong rather than just thinking it borked
[21:01:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SPAM Domains Artificially Inflate Microsoft Figures in Netcraft - http://sylnt.us - microsoft-and-deception
[21:08:00] * SirFinkus thinks it may be time to give up on this hard drive
[21:08:02] <SirFinkus> ;_;
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[21:13:45] <Blackmoore> *sigh*
[21:15:41] <juggs> sup Blackmoore ?
[21:17:45] <Blackmoore> oh just a bowl full of crap - car's brakes went bad causing me to not getinto the office till now. basement flooded while is was out of town.
[21:18:06] <Blackmoore> I'd have taken the day off if i had any vacation left
[21:21:42] <juggs> ugh - bad things like to travel with company - they never seem to happen individually
[21:25:03] <Blackmoore> nope.
[21:25:32] <Blackmoore> i'm just glad i didnt need to scotty rig the damn hot water tank.
[21:25:37] <Blackmoore> again
[21:26:10] <Blackmoore> there must have been a foot of water tho. crap had floated everywhere
[21:26:21] <arti> that sucks
[21:26:37] <Blackmoore> yeah. it's been really wet this summer
[21:26:45] <arti> if it happens regularly i'd consider shelving units like they have docks
[21:26:50] <arti> where they raise with the water level
[21:27:23] <Blackmoore> I try to keep everything off the floor. this isnt the fist time this has happened
[21:27:45] <Blackmoore> what suprised me is the circuit for the pumps has cut off.
[21:27:58] <Blackmoore> i had to play with the fuesbox
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[21:47:26] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:47:26] <Bender> karma - coffee: 496
[21:47:32] <arti> crack++
[21:47:32] <Bender> karma - crack: 1
[21:53:06] <crutchy> what's up arti?
[21:53:34] <crutchy> hope tama isn't ejecting filth out your usb ports
[21:53:41] <arti> nope
[21:53:49] <crutchy> poor tama
[21:54:02] <arti> must grow the brain
[21:54:12] <crutchy> should rename it filthbot
[21:55:16] <crutchy> maybe we need a collaborative effort to develop the program that accesses all that useful knowledge we've been instilling
[21:55:35] <arti> hahaha i like it
[21:55:37] <arti> filthbot
[21:56:00] <crutchy> or goatcx
[21:56:21] <crutchy> or yomama
[21:56:24] <crutchy> :p
[21:57:17] <crutchy> does it have ready access to the offensive fortunes db?
[21:57:32] <arti> could just have it pipe it out i guess
[21:57:47] <arti> as it stands now facts learned are poked in a sql database
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[21:59:35] <crutchy> i been showing the website guy at work some bits of my app. i think he's a bit dismayed that i didn't use any frameworks :/
[21:59:44] * crutchy really doesn't like frameworks much
[22:00:08] <arti> as are we all crutchy
[22:00:12] <arti> but stick to your guns
[22:00:20] <crutchy> i thought pdo was a database abstraction layer... this guy used an abstraction layer on top of that
[22:00:45] <crutchy> how do you know which one to use tho?
[22:01:19] <crutchy> expert 'A': you should use AwesomeFramework; expert 'B': use the BestFrameowkr, etc
[22:01:51] <crutchy> then when the C*ntFramework comes out that puts all the rest to shame, do you change to that?
[22:02:03] <crutchy> it's very confusement
[22:02:32] <arti> well, they're abstractions
[22:02:36] <crutchy> at least newtons laws haven't changed in a while
[22:02:49] <arti> abstractions are helpful with code reuse
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[22:03:09] * crutchy is think of making a rand timer script :p
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[22:04:03] <crutchy> i probably should use them then
[22:04:05] <crutchy> wb rand
[22:04:46] <arti> there are several out there, here's a pretty light one
[22:04:47] <arti> http://www.slimframework.com
[22:04:58] <arti> you could write your own, too
[22:05:04] <crutchy> prolly the first step towards faggifying my code would be to implement classes
[22:05:06] <monopoly> ^ 03Slim Framework
[22:05:08] <rand> Damn...isp was out today and updated equipment. Guess it's no difference.
[22:05:30] <paulej72> crutchy: use the crutchy framework.
[22:05:44] <crutchy> lol. i already did :p
[22:05:59] <paulej72> the whatever my ass feels like framework :)
[22:06:22] <crutchy> i mainly use the RollYourOwn framework
[22:06:30] <paulej72> I am fond of the copy-pasta framework myself
[22:06:34] <crutchy> which is prolly frowned upon
[22:06:37] <crutchy> lol
[22:06:55] <crutchy> i tend not to copy-pasta off the net
[22:07:14] <crutchy> i use php.net and a little bit of StackOverflow for inspiration only
[22:07:17] <paulej72> copy this bit of code from here and this piece from there, a little bit of glue code and you have a solution
[22:07:46] <crutchy> hmm yeah that's kinda how it comes together sometimes
[22:08:05] <paulej72> Since I am not a real coder, I need ot copy from other people :)
[22:08:27] <crutchy> i have that sort of inbuilt alarm that senses if i've used a similar piece of code somewhere else, so i try to re-use if i can
[22:08:37] <crutchy> hahaha
[22:08:46] <crutchy> i'm not a real coder either
[22:09:02] <crutchy> what's the correct term for real coder arti?
[22:09:14] <arti> what is 'softwarefag'
[22:09:18] <crutchy> lol
[22:09:21] <crutchy> that's the one
[22:09:51] <crutchy> ~define software fag
[22:09:57] <paulej72> farthest I took clases in college was Data Structures. Basically a 200 level corse.
[22:10:02] <exec> [stoacademy] 3software fag: software - A program written in some form of code that is used by the computer.
[22:10:10] <crutchy> ~define-add software fag, a real programmer
[22:10:10] <exec> definition for term "software fag" set to "a real programmer"
[22:10:54] <arti> there is a whole spectrum of software fags
[22:11:12] <arti> hardcore embedded chaps, to flaming web devs
[22:11:41] <crutchy> i've watched a couple of youtube lectures by this guy. not too bad to listen to. http://www.youtube.com
[22:11:41] <monopoly> ^ 03Lecture 24: eXtreme Programming - Richard Buckland - YouTube
[22:11:51] <crutchy> from UNSW
[22:11:53] <paulej72> now people will call me a flaming web dev, thanks :(
[22:12:03] <arti> it's cool, we can be flaming together
[22:12:09] <crutchy> i think he's got a whole CS course on youtube
[22:12:14] <paulej72> !grab arti
[22:12:14] <Bender> Added quote 219
[22:12:21] <arti> cheers.
[22:12:34] <crutchy> ooh i wish i was a flaming embedded guy
[22:12:40] * arti salutes those guys
[22:13:11] <arti> i prefer systems where ram is like water so i can use crummy languages without fear
[22:13:20] <paulej72> ruby
[22:13:21] <arti> "lets do it in javascript!"
[22:13:30] <crutchy> does having an atmega stuck in a box in the wardrobe count?
[22:13:39] <paulej72> server side javascript
[22:13:45] <crutchy> lol
[22:13:45] <ciri> i don't think it's that funny lol
[22:13:52] <arti> i'm not really big on the serverside, but what is cool about it
[22:13:59] <crutchy> paulej72 s/javascript/vba/
[22:14:00] <exec> <crutchy> <paulej72> server side vba
[22:14:02] <arti> is reusing the same views both client and serverside
[22:14:40] <paulej72> hey I have code in server side vba ( was for a training course though )
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[22:16:17] <crutchy> i've done a six month uni subject in delphi and another in C. that's all though. was thinking about doing another degree in software faggery
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[22:17:58] <crutchy> apparently not much point in doing masters in engineering cos it wouldn't be worth anything
[22:18:18] <arti> how will you become a manager then?
[22:18:20] <ciri> you talking to me?
[22:18:26] * arti pets ciri
[22:18:56] <paulej72> ciri almost seems sane today
[22:19:21] <arti> basically an r2 unit, needs a wipe but i won't allow it
[22:19:21] * crutchy feels sorry for engineers pushed into management
[22:19:29] <arti> soul crushing
[22:20:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Extracting Speech from Minute Vibrations - http://sylnt.us - seeing-is-hearing
[22:20:44] <arti> well one thing i like about code is there's lots to learn and do
[22:21:04] <crutchy> true that
[22:21:28] <crutchy> and the technology changes so quick that it will always keep you on your toes
[22:21:32] <arti> i want rust to mature already
[22:21:51] <arti> needs to go to that dimension that goku and whatshisface went to train
[22:22:19] * crutchy wonders how hard it would be to make a kind of engineering software framework
[22:22:37] <paulej72> it is call fortran
[22:22:58] <arti> i'd imagine most shops eventually go that way
[22:23:09] <arti> rip out what you don't need
[22:23:44] <paulej72> that is our slash development stratagy
[22:24:05] <arti> you guys are doing good for such a massive beast
[22:24:58] <crutchy> what arti said
[22:25:48] * crutchy has converted a fortran program to delphi, but doesn't know enough to be able to write it
[22:26:25] <paulej72> what is fun about slash is noone else is doing it this way. It is its own framwork, with very shitty documentation and no online community.
[22:26:47] <arti> is it pretty fast though?
[22:26:55] * arti knows perl can be pretty quick
[22:27:16] <crutchy> kinda wish i was able to contribute, but has been poisoned by php
[22:28:02] * arti really likes string handling in php
[22:28:08] <arti> "well this should work"
[22:28:29] <arti> it has warts, but ~shrugs~
[22:29:09] <paulej72> perl it the king of one lines though
[22:29:28] <crutchy> php is prolly like the volvo of languages. its not pretty but lots of people drive one anyway
[22:29:43] <arti> volvo's are also safe :P
[22:29:50] <arti> i'm not so sure with php :U
[22:29:52] <crutchy> oh, so not like php then :p
[22:29:55] <crutchy> lol
[22:30:07] <arti> i guess compared to C, c is like a motorcycle
[22:30:12] <arti> lightbike
[22:30:26] <arti> "oh cool, you shot off your leg!"
[22:30:58] <arti> that'd be a good poll, car anlogy for languages
[22:31:17] <crutchy> i've never really been able to figure out exactly where php is unsafe compared to other languages. its pretty easy to write unsafe code in any language. maybe php makes it easier, but i try to write safe code
[22:31:32] <paulej72> C is more like a bare cassis that you have to put together yourself
[22:31:41] <crutchy> things like xss and sql injection seem like the main threats
[22:32:14] <crutchy> filter inputs, escape outputs
[22:32:18] <crutchy> all that sort of stuff
[22:33:52] <mrcoolbp> juggs++
[22:33:53] <Bender> karma - juggs: 16
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[22:36:28] <crutchy> cyas later. workippos
[22:37:39] <arti> later man
[22:37:42] * arti had a phone call
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[22:39:25] <xxx> Sql injection is purely sql's fault
[22:41:01] <juggs> mrcoolbp, what did I do now? :D
[22:41:11] <mrcoolbp> just all the work on the store
[22:41:21] * mrcoolbp is trying to make sure everything is in order
[22:41:31] <mrcoolbp> we forgot the regular Logo-mug
[22:41:33] <mrcoolbp> hmm
[22:41:36] * mrcoolbp makes one
[22:42:10] <juggs> good stuff - it needs a check over for sanity.
[22:42:41] <juggs> nice catch on the mug
[22:43:55] <mrcoolbp> yeah, I think we used the wrong DPI on the mugs too...
[22:44:26] * mrcoolbp thinks we should have just listened to you and worked off a 400 dpi image and have been done with it
[22:44:38] <arti> at least you didn't order a truckload :D
[22:44:40] <mrcoolbp> but I was trying to get them all perfectly setup in the correct dpis
[22:44:48] <mrcoolbp> arti, yes
[22:44:59] <arti> learning experience, they're still presentable
[22:45:02] <mrcoolbp> but proofs are usually involved in those orders
[22:45:16] <mrcoolbp> arti: yup.
[22:46:42] <juggs> mrcoolbp, we could have just gone massive and very hi res - then let them worry about downscaling to fit.
[22:47:06] <mrcoolbp> juggs: shall I re-do the mugs too?
[22:47:42] <juggs> if you like - I thought I used one of the new images on them though - what's up with them?
[22:48:17] <juggs> it's quick enough to swap out the image and push to store again
[22:52:45] <arti> random q, for multi word variables how do you guys typically do it?
[22:52:48] * arti is an underscore guy
[22:52:52] <arti> blah_thing
[22:53:03] <arti> some of the front end guys i know are all hypen champs
[22:53:05] <arti> blah-thing
[22:53:25] <arti> blahThing?
[22:53:52] <juggs> underscore for me too
[22:56:15] <stderr> Wouldn't blah-thing be blah minus thing?
[22:56:43] <arti> depends on the language
[22:56:58] <arti> look at css class/id selectors
[22:57:07] <arti> also, greetings stderr
[22:57:23] <stderr> That's a selector, not a variable.
[22:58:01] <arti> assuming it wasn't a variable how would you name it?
[22:58:12] <stderr> BTW: **** who turned the beep volume up to 11 on this thing?
[22:58:20] * arti points to chromas
[22:58:32] <stderr> chromas!!! :-(
[22:58:36] <stderr> volume--
[22:58:36] <Bender> karma - volume: -1
[22:59:52] <stderr> Good question... I'm trying to remember when I used a multi-word id or class the last time.
[23:01:16] <mrcoolbp> juggs: it was just the image-template I used was at 150 DPI instead of 200, I'm not sure if it matters since the image is much smaller physically on the mugs, but just to be sure I'll re-do them
[23:01:17] <stderr> I think I would use _. I don't like CamelCase.
[23:02:01] <juggs> mrcoolbp, was it just that one image?
[23:02:32] <mrcoolbp> most of the other items are in the 150 dpi range (apparel) and I made separate templates for most of that stuff
[23:02:44] <mrcoolbp> apparently I didn't make a mug template for ya
[23:06:09] * xxx turns the volume back up, this time to twelve
[23:25:05] <juggs> mrcoolbp, only just seen your mail from Sunday lol Too much hassle going on what with getting faulted off my connection and all :D
[23:25:53] <mrcoolbp> juggs: no problem sir, actually I gotta run out, I'll wrap up the mugs before bed tho
[23:25:59] <mrcoolbp> let me know if ya need anything, ttyl
[23:26:02] <juggs> kk
[23:26:02] * mrcoolbp runs out
[23:31:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Language School's Blogger Fired For Post On Homophones - Director Fears Association With Gay Sex - http://sylnt.us - open-mouth-and-insert-foot
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[23:53:43] <paulej72> slash is full of _ and CamelCase