#Soylent | Logs for 2014-07-31

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[00:01:02] <juggs> yah mrcoolbp - he came, did some and left. I believe he was going to send you a mail.
[00:11:59] <paulej72> well systems are up as much as possible. oxygen is down, but I do not have direct access to that one.
[00:12:16] <paulej72> NCommander: when you get a chance oxygen is mia
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[00:19:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> damned server, why did it have to be named oxygen? now i have https://www.youtube.com stuck in my head.
[00:19:54] <monopoly> ^ 03Sweet-Love is Like Oxygen ( 12" long version ) - YouTube
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[00:49:30] <juggs> hola Spalls bienvenue James
[00:53:07] <SpallsHurgenson> eeep! don't sneak up on me like that!
[00:53:12] * SpallsHurgenson quickly pulls on some pants
[00:53:30] * juggs grabs the mind bleach
[00:53:42] <JamesNZ> Salut juggs :)
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[00:59:32] <juggs> see SpallsHurgenson your pant antics even shocked Konomi to the point of disconnection! :D
[00:59:55] <SpallsHurgenson> so what you are saying is in the future I shouldn't bother putting pants back on
[01:00:31] <juggs> hmm... let me think carefully how to phrase this....
[01:01:02] <juggs> put some damn pants on ~before~ stumbling into the room :D
[01:01:59] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, don't be silly. I don't go into a room half naked! that's just impolite
[01:02:04] <SpallsHurgenson> I come in first, and THEN disrobe
[01:02:24] <chromas> Pants--
[01:02:24] <Bender> karma - pants: 0
[01:02:50] <chromas> Too hot for pants
[01:03:51] <SpallsHurgenson> see, chromas recognizes my hotness :)
[01:04:44] <juggs> I am defeated
[01:04:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> kilts++
[01:04:56] <Bender> karma - kilts: 1
[01:08:40] * SpallsHurgenson forgot to check if the store was up and running
[01:08:55] <SpallsHurgenson> mostly 'cause I don't know the URL :)
[01:09:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> Space_Man, no swag for you!
[01:09:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> tabautocomplete--
[01:09:27] <Bender> karma - tabautocomplete: -1
[01:09:45] <SpallsHurgenson> Space. Gonna go to space. Space. Spaaaaaaaace.
[01:11:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Vision Correcting Displays - http://sylnt.us - there's-light-at-the-end-of-the-pinhole
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[01:16:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, last i heard the store was functional and if you wandered across it you could buy stuff but not yet announced as open to the public since they're not done messing with it.
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[01:37:20] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, should be about a week before it's fully live. We expect to be in early launch within the next couple of days all being well. I think we have everything pretty much ironed out now, but it's very much slowly, slowly so we don't end up piled in a heap wondering wtf just went wrong given we're dealing with other people's $$ here.
[01:38:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> overpays are fine, under/non-pays not so much. in fact, feel free to accidentally buy several things you don't need.
[01:41:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> i need cake. my belly is saying feed me sugary goodness.
[01:41:30] <paulej72> I am planning on buying stuff from the SN PayPal account :P
[01:42:58] <juggs> Money always goes in circles paulej72
[01:43:01] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I have been doing error handling for pdt transactions I am close to getting it up on dev for testing
[01:43:46] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, we're checking product quality as well - at least mrcoolbp is.
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[01:55:40] <mrcoolbp_> paulej72: I saw that!
[01:55:47] <mrcoolbp_> don't ya go buyin's stuffs now
[01:56:14] <mrcoolbp_> paulej72: how's oxygen doin' is she feelin' better?
[01:57:34] <paulej72> mrcoolbp_: noone here has direct access to oxygen. It is on another system so my Linode access does not help. xlefay did not have acces either.
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[01:58:29] <mrcoolbp_> paulej72: backup?
[01:59:17] <mrcoolbp_> it's the backup server right?
[01:59:40] <paulej72> oxygen is the backup server that is why it is not on linode systems. NCommander may have forgotten to pay the bill.
[02:09:33] <mrcoolbp_> that would not be good
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[02:31:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, cool beans. was gone getting pie on account of the store not having a good cake.
[02:32:28] <paulej72> swag pies and cakes
[02:33:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> pie isn't just great after dinner, it's the breakfast of champions
[02:33:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> fat champions, granted, but champions nonetheless
[02:33:30] <chromas> Soylentberry pie?
[02:34:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, it occurs to me we should have some way to get the admins' attention when something money-related goes wrong and needs immediate attention rather than when someone happens to check.
[02:35:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, turtle pie.
[02:36:10] <chromas> Caramel++
[02:36:10] <Bender> karma - caramel: 1
[02:36:11] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I can send an email to the admin account that mrcoolbp watches
[02:37:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, yep and probably a page that loads errors that aren't dire like say our account key expiring or being revoked.
[02:37:19] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, agreed (not that we know this is money related as yet) single points of failure need eliminating whenever possible, but inevitably happen in early days.
[02:37:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> or not even errors but things like chargebacks
[02:38:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, i was actually talking about paypal code but oxygen should have texted all the admins when it couldn't be reached.
[02:38:42] <paulej72> lol
[02:39:04] <juggs> uggggh, don't mind me, I've been up too long
[02:39:14] <paulej72> dead sever send text message
[02:39:28] <juggs> cisco last gasp
[02:39:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> different flavors of dead but yeah
[02:39:43] <xlefay> TheMightyBuzzard: actually, boron should have.. but, I never got to fixing that...
[02:40:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> xlefay, ahhh, this is oxygen helping out then by reminding you. and people say computers aren't intelligent yet...
[02:40:52] <xlefay> Then again, we should find a better solution to running stuff imo. It's no good if stuff conflicts with eachother and packages get removed on accident.
[02:41:11] <juggs> containers?
[02:41:14] <xlefay> e.g. even if it was configured to report it, icinga mightn't even have been running when oxygen stopped breathing
[02:41:16] <juggs> :D :D
[02:41:30] <xlefay> (in this case, icinga was running back then, but it might just as well not have)
[02:41:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> only containers i'm in favor of are the ones i'm about to relieve of their beer.
[02:42:29] <xlefay> either way you get the point
[02:42:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[02:43:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> package getting removed on accident is kinda funny and i bet everyone who touched packages lately triple checks next time they do.
[02:44:05] <xlefay> TheMightyBuzzard: it's hardly the first time it happens (generally speaking) - it's exceptionally easy to miss the "The following packages will be REMOVED:" line
[02:44:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> xlefay, must be my special paranoia that makes me read them all.
[02:45:30] <xlefay> TheMightyBuzzard: I generally read them all as well, but still, it's rather easy to forget even more so. Unless you know the package is needed - it's also very easy to think "Oh, it's probably not required anymore." (e.g. when apt for instance installs stuff you later don't require anymore)
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[02:46:29] <paulej72> redhat does not remove packages with yum update
[02:47:01] <paulej72> or am I mis rembering
[02:47:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> pacman can but it asks first, as in yn prompt
[02:47:36] <xlefay> paulej72: I believe apt does it sometimes, but also, asks.. then again, apt always asks, so it's easy to just put down '-y'
[02:47:39] <xlefay> TheMightyBuzzard: pacman<3
[02:48:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> hehe, i can't use -y on my *buntu/debian boxen. i just can't make myself do it.
[02:48:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, i manually do updates on each and every one individually.
[02:49:35] <xlefay> TheMightyBuzzard: on my local desktop I don't really give a crap, so '-y' it is, on servers I tend to read before pressing y
[02:50:05] * xlefay notes he dislikes waiting for backups to be ready...
[02:50:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd be the opposite. i keep regular backups of servers. my desktop lives or dies at the whims of fate.
[02:50:52] <xlefay> TheMightyBuzzard: hmm, so you're more prone to using '-y' on servers than on your desktop?
[02:51:07] <xlefay> err, I should say "production servers", development machines aren't really of consequence
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[02:51:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> i've had this /home for... well, about 10 years out of sheer luck and regular upgrades
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[02:51:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> xlefay, s/opposite/same/
[02:52:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's like how plumbers always have leaky faucets and electricians will put a lamp in if the light switch goes out.
[02:52:46] <xlefay> TheMightyBuzzard: wew, was worried there for a sec
[02:54:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> but yeah, i guess i do gotta be extra careful on the desktop to prevent hoseage
[02:56:26] <xlefay> That's quite impressive (the /home)
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[02:56:49] <xlefay> I generally don't care that much about my desktop (well, I work on my laptop, but you get the point)
[02:56:54] <xlefay> My work is safe regardless so
[02:58:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, must watch batman assault on arkham now
[02:58:06] <xlefay> xD
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[02:58:49] <xlefay> I wish the SN newsletter mails had a direct describe link, now I've got to dig up the passwords for my test accounts -.-
[03:04:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> i wish h265 encoding was quicker and playback was better supported. right now it's 1/4 h264 speed and only playable with ffplay or git versions of vlc
[03:06:11] <xlefay> ha
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[03:28:32] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: did the backup process stop or did you need oxygen for something else?
[03:30:03] <paulej72> was going to look at the backup for a problem that xlefay later fixed, but could not log on or ping it. It has been down for 4 days so we have no backups.
[03:30:23] <mrcoolbp> okay, 4 days isn't too bad, would you send an email to NCommander?
[03:30:34] <paulej72> ok
[03:31:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Using Media as a Stress Reducer can Lead to Feelings of Guilt and Failure - http://sylnt.us - read-this-and-feel-guilty
[03:35:39] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: thanks
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[04:06:28] * arti o.o
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[04:45:20] * mrcoolbp o.0
[04:45:58] * arti o.o
[04:49:48] * pbnjoe O.o
[05:11:50] * mrcoolbp >= (
[05:16:49] <arti> concise promulgation of one's native lexicon is considered a positive indicator of excessive intellectualism. basically, and i will attempt to be concise, that a primary aspect of intercommunicative discourse amongst highly articulate individuals enumerates a profoundly overabundant cultivation of sagaciousness.
[05:17:15] <arti> the perception of intendment whilst engaging in stratagemical intercourse such as this initiates a certain level of discomfiture and bemusement when in the company of insignificantly cultured representatives of Homo Sapiens. thus, said individuals engaging in this method of communication must constantly endeavor to moderate their asseveration and enunciate with precision, as to circumlocute
[05:17:15] <arti> negative confabulative perspicacity or discernment.
[05:20:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Open Access Papers Read and Cited More - http://sylnt.us - Bizarre-Cathedral
[05:23:48] <ar> moin
[05:23:51] <ar> coffee--
[05:23:51] <Bender> karma - coffee: 478
[05:27:45] <arti> greetings ar
[05:27:51] <arti> :D
[05:28:07] <Popeidol> arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[05:31:19] <ar> how's it going?
[05:37:01] <mrcoolbp> terrible
[05:48:00] <ar> why so?
[07:32:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cutting through the NC Unemployment Hype - http://sylnt.us - neoliberism-shown-to-be-wrong-yet-again
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[09:31:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Five Years Of The Pirate Party in the UK - http://sylnt.us - Crimson-Permanent-Assurance
[09:50:57] <Azrael> woooo hooooooo happy birthday (for yesterday)
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[11:42:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Israel's Playbook on how to Influence Western Public Opinion - http://sylnt.us - how-many-dead-children-will-it-take
[11:47:07] <chromas> From the we-call-it-hollywood dept
[11:48:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know what you call someone with socialist ideals who hates jews, yeah?
[11:50:19] <chromas> Scientologist?
[11:52:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'pretty fucked up that so much of europe and even a good chunk of the left in the us have so closely adopted the 1930s german playbook
[11:54:32] <chromas> That's just Israel's Playbook on How to Influence Western Public Opinion talking :D
[11:55:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> if the platform fits...
[11:57:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, no minecraft for me this am. hands not working worth a fuck and i'm breaking half as many blocks unintentionally as i am on purpose
[11:57:51] <chromas> Try using your feet
[11:58:20] <chromas> Put some dex points into them
[11:58:34] <chromas> s/d/s/
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[12:11:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> doing that with my hands instead
[12:11:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:11:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 479
[12:11:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> morning, crutchy
[12:12:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[12:12:13] <exec> process timed out: TheMightyBuzzard
[12:12:33] <crutchy> exec is not well atm
[12:12:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> yo shit is broke: exec
[12:12:47] <crutchy> my interwebz is shaped
[12:12:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> like a pear?
[12:13:18] <crutchy> so stuff that normally takes 3 seconds now takes about 3 minutes :-(
[12:13:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> fun
[12:13:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably just your local spy agency working out deep packet inspection. it should speed up once they get the kinks out.
[12:15:13] <crutchy> i didn't think of shaping when i picked 30 sec ping interval for auto-restart, so when i'm shaped and it takes more than 30 sec just to connect to the irc server, the ping will always fuck up and throw the restart command... which is what triggered the madness yesterday
[12:16:17] <crutchy> i just disabled the ping shit. one day i'll go back to it
[12:16:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> you go over your monthly cap or something?
[12:16:47] <crutchy> yeah
[12:16:53] <crutchy> i think its 50 gb or something
[12:16:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> suck
[12:17:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> here, thankfully, they only charge me out the ass if i go over my 250GB/mo
[12:17:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> and intentionally degrade netflix traffic
[12:18:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> but they do that all the time, cap or no cap
[12:20:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder if we're still doing get a shell account with subscription
[12:20:09] <crutchy> hmm. i could go from 50gb to 200gb for an extra $10/month
[12:20:14] <crutchy> fuck i should do that
[12:20:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably, yep
[12:20:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> let you get your weekly tv downloaded and still watch some porn
[12:20:58] <crutchy> lol
[12:21:10] <crutchy> my missus is into watching craft videos on youtube
[12:21:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'where my bandwidth goes anyway
[12:21:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> yerg, set that shat to lower quality as default then
[12:23:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> this shaping and caps nonsense gotta end. i'm a huge freaking capitalist but if it takes regulating or even nationalizing the infrastructure, so be it.
[12:23:34] <crutchy> hmm actually i think my plan is a discontinued one that's cheaper than what they offer now
[12:24:09] <crutchy> i've had it for a few years
[12:26:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> i really need to sit down and map out my home network so i don't have to remember what router has what ip address. have the modem/wireless and three other wireless routers without even counting all the devices.
[12:28:24] <crutchy> i put sticky labels with ip on devices
[12:28:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> like right now i completely do not remember the ip of the wireless repeater in my livingroom.
[12:28:55] <crutchy> usually just the last number is enough
[12:29:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:29:10] <crutchy> though i have two subnets cos i have two routers
[12:29:22] <crutchy> but the dmz is kinda on its own a bit
[12:29:50] <crutchy> just those little round stickers are pretty good
[12:29:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have essentially four of the bastards but they're all on the same subnet and the only nat is from the modem/router
[12:31:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> two bridged repeaters and one open access point whose traffic i degrade the hell out of so people using it can't interfere with my pr0n
[12:36:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> bridged repeaters are the shit. turn an ancient b/g wireless router into one and you have wired connections for remote devices and better signal coverage to boot.
[12:39:35] <crutchy> ~part
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[12:41:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> you not have an external server you can slap exec on?
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[12:44:24] <crutchy> i got my own server. atm its running on my lappy though (easier for tinkering)
[12:44:36] <crutchy> no external server though
[12:44:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> bummer
[12:45:08] <crutchy> its just a plaything so prolly doesn't really need it
[12:46:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> true true. gonna talk up the shell for subscribers idea to NC again after we get subscriptions up and running. then you got a place to run your bot from.
[12:46:47] <crutchy> sedbot prolly should go on server cos most seem to like it
[12:47:03] <crutchy> and maybe chromas' monopoly bot for titles
[12:47:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:47:36] <crutchy> exec is just a proof-of-concept bot mostly
[12:47:57] <crutchy> quick and easy to test out ideas
[12:48:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[12:48:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> my coffee cup is empty. must solve this.
[12:48:33] <crutchy> coffee++
[12:48:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 480
[12:48:44] <crutchy> if only refill was that easy
[12:48:57] <crutchy> might follow your lead
[12:49:10] <mechanicjay> first one in the office -- coffee brewing. The disadvantage to coming in early
[12:51:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:51:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 481
[12:52:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> mechanicjay, truth. the wait is a study in pain.
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[12:53:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Bytram
[12:54:00] <Bytram|away> TheMightyBuzzard: g'morning!
[12:54:10] <Bytram|away> thought I'd check in afore getting ready to head to the beach
[12:54:24] <Bytram|away> I see they got icinga working again, yay!
[12:54:28] <Bytram|away> coffeee++
[12:54:28] <Bender> karma - coffeee: 1
[12:54:32] <Bytram|away> coffee++
[12:54:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 482
[12:54:38] <Bytram|away> coffeee--
[12:54:38] <Bender> karma - coffeee: 0
[12:54:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, PJ got it eventually
[12:55:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> apparently it got accidentally uninstalled
[12:55:32] <Bytram|away> might be something else related to it... according to icinga, oxygen (our backup server) has been unreachable for 5d6h28+m
[12:55:46] <Bytram|away> but who needs backups?
[12:56:14] <Bytram|away> I dunno if that's a problem with icinga, or whether or not oxygen is down. :/
[12:56:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. we're waiting on NC to get back to fix it apparently since none of us can get access.
[12:56:26] <Bytram|away> oh, known problem them?
[12:56:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:56:31] <Bytram|away> s/them/then/
[12:56:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> also a possibility NC forgot to pay the bill
[12:56:51] <Bytram|away> iow atm nvm k
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[12:57:11] <Bytram|away> interesting.
[12:57:24] <Bytram|away> any word on when we are going live on the main site with the updates?
[12:57:39] <Bytram|away> I'd think we'd want working backups before loading anything new on
[12:57:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> me, i'm hoping tomorrow but no, no word.
[12:57:44] <Bytram|away> k
[12:58:06] <Bytram|away> I'm thinking, since load is so much lower on the weekend, it might be best to hold off until sat or sun
[12:58:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, we probably do want a fallback but we can do a manual one with a cp -a if necessary.
[12:58:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably a good idea.
[12:59:04] <Bytram|away> any word on how things are going for nc?
[12:59:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothing from him that i know of in the past 24, though PJ was going to email him.
[12:59:35] <Bytram|away> nod
[12:59:54] <Bytram|away> I'm still chewing on the replies to my kbd story.
[13:00:04] <Bytram|away> printed out all the replies and plan to do a summary write up.
[13:00:24] <Bytram|away> coffee hasn't kicked in yet, did you get the new kbd you talked about?
[13:00:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> that, my friend, is a goodly amount of research for a keyboard.
[13:00:51] <Bytram|away> yup.
[13:01:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, probably going to order it in this weekend.
[13:01:04] <Bytram|away> otoh, I'm realizing I'll need a new bo 'ere long, too.
[13:01:08] <Bytram|away> s/bo/box/
[13:01:15] <Bytram|away> (and KEYBOARD!)
[13:01:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> fun
[13:01:47] <paulej72> I really want to hold off on a prod deploy until we get subscription code working. The first draft of it is almost at a useable point.
[13:02:19] <Bytram|away> I'm thinking that phones and tablets are getting to the point that I could prolly use a wireless USB kbd with one, send the output through HDMI to a screen, and use it as my main box... but that's quite a jump from where I'm currently at.
[13:02:30] <Bytram|away> paulej72: yay!!!
[13:02:34] <Bytram|away> paulej72: g'morning!
[13:02:42] <paulej72> good morning,
[13:02:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, sounds good to me. ipn should be technically working for basic payments and revoked payments both. no logic for pending though.
[13:03:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're testing on dev, yes? which directory and i'll slap ipn up on it today.
[13:03:16] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: pending payments should have no logic.
[13:04:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, probably right since they'll be in the paypal_log table
[13:04:03] <Bytram|away> is there a spec anywhere that documents exactly WHAT the subscriber gets, and what they see, and how they sign up?
[13:04:32] <Bytram|away> hmmm, does the upcoming swag store accept credit cards?
[13:04:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram|away, i was wondering myself earlier. cause we'd talked about shell access and that definitely is not set up.
[13:04:35] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I think I would like to add the ipn stuff, as I want to make sure we have the same stuff added to both engines.
[13:04:45] <paulej72> Bytram|away: they get a *
[13:04:49] <crutchy> iced_coffee++
[13:04:49] <Bender> karma - iced_coffee: 2
[13:04:59] <Bytram|away> like my kindergarten teacher used to give me?
[13:05:07] <Bytram|away> =)
[13:05:17] <paulej72> no this one is digital and more ephemeral
[13:05:44] <Bytram|away> istr they can comment on a story ahead of time, too? (i don't recall how long, though) as well as FULL access to posting history
[13:05:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, i was just going to put it in. you'd have to tell paypal where to send stuff to get it fired up.
[13:05:48] <crutchy> does it inject gooey goodness into your browser?
[13:06:31] <crutchy> pity i can't invite tama into here. we've been 'teaching' it :-d
[13:06:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> will be just the ppipn.pl file. the subs that need to come out to Subscribe.pm i've already sent you for integration.
[13:07:15] <paulej72> as far as I can tell, we are only adding a * next to comments. I think we are also disabling the karma bonus that subscribers get. I need to double check my work and make sure I disabled that feature.
[13:07:33] <Bytram|away> btw, the reason I asked about the swag store directly accepting credit cards, that could be another avenue for signing up subscriptions... "sell" 'em a nice certificate for $20/$25 (or whatever it is) that entitles 'em to a year's subscription. Collector's item, too!
[13:07:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, and the on/off switch for the *
[13:08:07] <Bytram|away> paulej72: ah.... forgot about the extra karma bonus.
[13:08:14] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: either paste bin it, or put it up on github as a branch.
[13:08:18] <crutchy> maybe they could get a fooly sick irc cloak too
[13:08:27] <paulej72> yes on off switch for the * as well
[13:08:31] <Bytram|away> crutchy: g'day!
[13:08:38] <Bytram|away> ~weather crutchy
[13:08:39] <crutchy> g'day Bytram|away
[13:08:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, roger dodger. i'll clean it up and ship it out this morning sometime.
[13:08:54] <crutchy> exec not here sorry
[13:09:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's really surprisingly small.
[13:09:15] <crutchy> i'm shaped
[13:09:33] <paulej72> crutchy: we need a new cloaking module that talks to the slash db. That was talked about but nothing has come of it yet.
[13:09:36] <crutchy> everything goes to arse when i'm shaped
[13:09:54] <Bytram|away> TheMightyBuzzard: paulej72: could you wizzards please document what all is in the subscription code (and how it's toggled on/off -- can I do it manually?) so I can try and QA it?
[13:10:23] * Bytram|away should have made the same request for utf8 support, but kind of figured it out as I went; would rather not repeat it.
[13:10:26] <crutchy> !sudo subscribe crutchy on
[13:10:38] <crutchy> hmm guess its not that
[13:11:00] <Bytram|away> !pseudo sudo subscribe crutchy on
[13:11:04] <paulej72> Bytram|away: toggle off the whole subscription module or just parts of it.
[13:11:08] <Bytram|away> nope, not that either.
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[13:11:43] <crutchy> !rm subscription.pl should disable it anyway
[13:11:48] <Bytram|away> paulej72: whatever function is exposed by adding subscriptions... I'd like to verify it works as expected, and doesn't do anything UNexpected.
[13:12:11] * Bytram|away is *very* creative when it comes to permutation generation; like exploring a cave looking for treasure.
[13:12:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram|away, will give it a go for ppipn.pl. really nothing much to what i've done though.
[13:12:28] <Bytram|away> much obliged!
[13:12:37] <paulej72> Bytram|away: the subscription module has one var that sets whether admins or all users see the sub page, but once it is installed it can not be disabled by a simple var.
[13:12:49] <crutchy> are you into unit tests Bytram|away ?
[13:12:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothing much you can test on it though. it won't process anything not sent from paypal.
[13:12:54] <Bytram|away> would be nice to have the spec up on the wiki
[13:12:56] <crutchy> automated regression testing
[13:13:21] <Bytram|away> have done some, not so much with browsers - UI variations and timing are a pain.
[13:13:47] <Bytram|away> would love to stay and chat, but I gtg get ready to meet a friend (if all works out) and go to the beach today.
[13:13:57] <crutchy> i think it was last week i made a change at work that blew away about 6000 automated test records
[13:14:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i guess you could test it via sending test things through paypal test server
[13:14:06] <crutchy> that was a hard pill to swallow
[13:14:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[13:14:07] <Bytram|away> crutchy: AWESOME!!!!
[13:14:20] <Bytram|away> ;-P
[13:14:33] <crutchy> they're gradually building up again
[13:14:49] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I have dev currently set on paypal ssandbox. I need to turn that pp url into a var so we can set it outsdie of the code. This way dev can stay connected to the sandbox and prod can be set up on live pp.
[13:14:54] <crutchy> luckily i don't have to do anything but use the application
[13:15:03] <Bytram|away> crutchy: oh, wait a minute... it's NOT that you had 60000 tests *fail*, but you *broke* 6000 tests? OUCH!!!
[13:15:17] <crutchy> yeah. kinda sucked
[13:15:32] * Bytram|away tenderly offers crutchy a bandaid
[13:15:47] <crutchy> but the records get automatically created, so hopefully wont take long to be recreated
[13:15:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, already set a $DEBUG variable for that in ppipn.pl. feel free to set $DEBUG's value however you need.
[13:16:07] <Bytram|away> nod nod; recreation is good. =)
[13:16:09] <Bytram|away> ok gtg
[13:16:16] <crutchy> cya Bytram|away
[13:16:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> any true value sets ipn to use the sandbox
[13:17:14] <Bytram|away> btw, while I'm remembering it... when processing a story submission as an editor, it would be a tremendous help if you could do something like this:
[13:17:44] <crutchy> WAAAAAAZZZZUUUUUUUUUPPPP!!!!
[13:17:50] <crutchy> :-d
[13:17:59] <Bytram|away> s#<br>[[:space:]]*<br>#</p><p>#
[13:18:27] <crutchy> you and your black magic
[13:18:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, have a paymentExists that checks if the transaction id already exists. do we want that in Subscribe.pm? i mean would you ever use it for pdt or anything else?
[13:18:43] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I would rather set it to use a paypal_host var as sandbox is triggered just by changing the host name. This way it makes it harder to change dev off of the sandbox.
[13:18:46] <Bytram|away> replace all possibly-space-separated sequences of two break tags with a close-paragraph-and-a-start-paragraph tag
[13:18:54] <Bytram|away> ok gtgt
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[13:22:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, sure thing. won't hurt to tell ipn specifically to use prod paypal server even though it defaults to it unless you supply another address.
[13:23:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, named 'paypal_host' in the vars table, yes?
[13:23:28] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: my current issue is the database insert for payments is not working, and I am not sure why. It is probably some stupid missing punctuation.
[13:23:45] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: yes once I add it in.
[13:24:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> likely, i'll have an eye grep at it after i get this ready to ship.
[13:24:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> paypal_host with or without "https://"?
[13:27:06] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: i would say with.
[13:27:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> whole url then. nod nod.
[13:27:22] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: Duplicate entry '75M20311149168238' for key 'transaction_id' -- INSERT INTO subscribe_payments
[13:27:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, excellent
[13:27:42] <paulej72> looks like it may have worked at some point.
[13:27:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> that means that entry is already in there
[13:28:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> need a new transaction if you want to test it
[13:29:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, i have a paymentExists sub if you want to put it in Subscribe.pm
[13:29:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> checks to see if the payment is already in the db, returns 1 if it is.
[13:31:12] <paulej72> yes that will go into Subscribe.pm
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[13:31:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> roger, just going to nix all the subs over to Subscribe.pm then
[13:33:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, i need to write removePagesFromUID and removePayment subs.
[13:33:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> score. something to do.
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[13:42:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh, i wish the bastiches writing these utility subs had commented on what they do/how to call them.
[13:46:58] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: i think i figured out my error. When I do a sucessful payment, I send the user back to the edit page with the appropriate message at the top. The issue seem that sometimes slash is forcing a login when this happens. either I am sending the wrong parameters to the edit op, or varnish is getting in my way big time.
[13:47:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> cool cool
[13:47:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> well not cool that we're forcing login but cool that you found it.
[13:50:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... you know offhand where we store the pages remaining for subscribers?
[13:52:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait, i can find that from the adding pages code. nevermind.
[14:01:53] <paulej72> subscriber_hits or somehting like that
[14:02:22] <paulej72> users_hits
[14:02:40] <paulej72> we wil not be using that field any more.
[14:02:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> hits_paidfor
[14:03:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... you have what we're using in code on dev?
[14:03:56] <paulej72> fuck yeah, I have it working.
[14:04:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh frak, you were converting to dates, weren't you.
[14:04:09] <paulej72> yes
[14:04:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess i'll read the wackiness out of dev's Subscribe.pm then.
[14:04:33] <paulej72> there is a sub for that.
[14:05:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> you have one to remove a subscription worth of days for chargebacks?
[14:05:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause that's what i'm writing now and i'd rather not duplicate work.
[14:05:34] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: /srv/soylentnews.org/src/slashcode is my working directory. see both Subscribe.pm and subscribe.pl
[14:05:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[14:09:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> addDaysToSubscriber looks like the one i need to mirror for removal
[14:09:43] <paulej72> we should write a sub similar to addDaysToSubscriber and call it removeSubscription. Set the subscribe_until date to yesterday. ie dt->subtract with one day.
[14:09:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> doing that now
[14:10:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait no. doing remove chargeback payment's worth of days right now.
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[14:10:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> can do the other at the same time though.
[14:12:57] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: better to delete the days based on the payment. someone may have multiple subs and cancel one. so removing 365 will still give time in the future.
[14:14:02] <paulej72> based on the old slash code I calculate the days using the the payment amount using the sub in Subscriber.pm
[14:14:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, nod nod. i do my $pages = getPagesByTxn($ipn->txn_id); right now but that needs to change to use date
[14:15:04] <paulej72> ok got to go do real work.
[14:15:08] <paulej72> bbl
[14:15:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy, i'll get it figured out
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[15:06:31] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: subscriber benefits: http://soylentnews.org
[15:06:32] <monopoly> ^ 04SN article 03 Back To The Drawing Board: Rethinking Subscription + Explaing Expenses 04(109 comments):
[15:08:54] <paulej72> well some of that is a going to be a bitch to setup.
[15:09:16] <paulej72> early access to featues will be an issue.
[15:09:49] <paulej72> Full comment histories is something I will need to look into.
[15:10:48] <paulej72> Also the rate limiting stuff. I am not removing the spam filters for subscribers. Most are going away as part of the utf8 upgrade.
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[15:11:38] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: yeah, the -early access to features sounds difficult
[15:11:48] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: it may be that we get the subscription payment option going without having anything but badges for now.
[15:12:02] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: hrm
[15:12:46] <mrcoolbp> = /
[15:13:37] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: the rate limiting is part of the reskey system, and I have not really looked at that code much. It will take a bit of work to find all of the places where things are rate limited and remove them.
[15:14:12] <mrcoolbp> nod
[15:14:20] <paulej72> Full comment histories are a bit easier as I have seen that code and I may be able to easily fix that.
[15:14:42] <paulej72> Also note the breaking reskey breaks almost everything
[15:15:00] <paulej72> no posts without it.
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[15:18:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, got ya some pastebins that are all method-ified since you seem to be lurving on the methods on this project. http://pastebin.com and http://pastebin.com
[15:18:38] <monopoly> ^ 03[Perl] Add to Subscribe.pl for ppipn.pl - Pastebin.com
[15:18:38] <monopoly> ^ 03[Perl] ppipn.pl updated - Pastebin.com
[15:19:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> they should be drop-in happy, typos and bloody stupid mistakes aside.
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[15:19:22] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: not real method lover, but that is the slash way.
[15:19:23] * mrcoolbp stares at desk blankly 'till coffee kicks in
[15:19:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg. six of one, half a dozen of the other to me
[15:20:17] <paulej72> get mrcoolbp a coffee iv bag stat
[15:20:28] <mrcoolbp> k
[15:20:58] * mrcoolbp considers sending out swag proposal to staff-list today
[15:21:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd mail him some anhydrous caffeine but the post office frowns on people putting white powder in envelopes nowadays
[15:21:39] <mrcoolbp> found that out the hard way?
[15:22:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i am of superior wisdom and can learn from the mistakes of others.
[15:22:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> the clue bat does not have to be wrapped in bricks to get through my skull in other words.
[15:26:15] * mrcoolbp puts away his clue bat
[15:29:03] <paulej72> lunch time. bbl
[15:29:32] <mrcoolbp> k
[15:30:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn. someone went and drank up all my coffee.
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[15:35:07] <mrcoolbp> bunch of savages
[15:35:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> bad thing is it was either me or one of my critters and they don't drink coffee.
[15:38:38] <mrcoolbp> my comment stands.
[15:38:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair nuff
[15:41:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, that's a good several hours in today. think i'll be productive some other way for a while.
[15:45:32] <mrcoolbp> later sir.
[15:45:49] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: this might help with digging up the comment histories http://soylentnews.org
[15:45:49] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by NCommander (2)
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[15:53:10] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: at a minimum, we should try for the badge * on/off and full comment history at launch
[15:53:21] <mrcoolbp> there are no ads so that's covered for now
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[15:53:41] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: that just leaves the "No rate limiting/spam filtering" which we could add later
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[18:23:25] <mrcoolbp> ~time Netherlands
[18:23:32] <mrcoolbp> ~weather Netherlands
[18:23:38] <mrcoolbp> someone broked it
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[18:36:53] <Blackmoore> dang it
[18:37:05] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[18:37:06] <Bender> karma - coffee: 483
[18:56:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[18:56:06] <Bender> karma - coffee: 484
[18:56:20] * TheMightyBuzzard is really racking up the -1 Disagree mods today
[19:02:25] <Blackmoore> huh..
[19:02:57] <Blackmoore> i wasn't expecting a response but i got an email back from pj (of groklaw)
[19:03:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> nifty
[19:03:36] <Blackmoore> yeah
[19:04:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> time for some first hand reporting on SN instead of 100% aggregation/meta?
[19:05:43] <Blackmoore> *sigh* I'd love to. but i'd need about 12 more hours to my day; or a replacment income.
[19:05:59] <Blackmoore> I'll have to see what I can do with this.
[19:08:06] <Blackmoore> She gave me a number of resources. geh. are the sub-groups ready to roll out?
[19:08:49] <Blackmoore> because I'm looking at stuff that's just outside of our current mantra.
[19:27:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> not that i'm aware of
[19:28:18] <arti> are you going on about women being people again?
[19:28:25] <arti> god i hate that
[19:28:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a website though and that's enough tech for me to get behind a story on it disappearing and reappearing.
[19:30:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> arti, they are. you can tell by how they well and truly they suck.
[19:31:09] <arti> harrumph
[19:35:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> arti, but no. I was arguing that israelis defending themselves when attacked is not reprehensible. seems to be a fairly unpopular opinion.
[19:37:18] <arti> the only winning move is not to play
[19:37:51] <arti> if only there was some way to store weapons with civilians safely
[19:38:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i don't mind burning karma arguing and it shows up the flaws in the moderation system.
[19:39:05] <arti> i think the users on those servers should be put into separate instances
[19:39:13] <paulej72> nexus support is depenedent on getting our wildcard ssl cert. We need to be able to have the loadbalancer handle the ssl for all nexus.soylentnews.org sites. This can be done best by a wildcard cert
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[19:40:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, that's backburnered waiting on NC to feel the sincere urge and the code to all be in place for nexuses, yes?
[19:41:14] <paulej72> code is all part of the next relese
[19:41:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> well that and demand for subgroupings
[19:41:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, finalized is it?
[19:41:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> knew it was at least mostly working. didn't know it was done.
[19:41:58] <paulej72> seems to be working, but have not tested it in a while.
[19:43:27] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: we were going to point release it, but the wildcard cert dpended on get the SN PBC setup first as we needed a legal entity to own the wildcard cert ( they don’t hand them out willy nilly)
[19:45:15] <Blackmoore> makes sense. kinda need both the functionality and the cert.
[19:46:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh, so we're mostly getting around to it when we have time.
[19:54:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, let me know when you're free and clear of actual work and have time to start integrating ipn and paypal-specific logging. have the pastebins handy in tabs so i don't forget about them.
[19:54:47] <paulej72> ok, it will be soonish
[19:56:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> minecraft and otherwise dicking-off until then
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[20:05:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> large checkerboard patterned floors take a loooong time to make
[20:05:46] <arti> oh yes!
[20:05:53] <arti> hook it up with your server address again pls
[20:06:01] * arti downloads the newest minecraft
[20:06:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> tmbvm.ddns.net
[20:07:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> welcome to look around or carve out your own bit of territory. currently on 14w31a snapshot
[20:07:52] <arti> sounds like some total recall package
[20:07:55] <arti> 41a ernie!
[20:09:19] <arti> resetting my pw
[20:09:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> won't matter, server is in offline mode
[20:09:57] * juggs notes he utterly sucks at anything graphics related
[20:10:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> neat, crashed
[20:12:10] <arti> juggs, yay for programmer art
[20:13:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> my art is almost as good as that on xkcd
[20:17:41] <arti> hmmm
[20:18:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> sup
[20:18:14] <arti> where do i download this client
[20:18:17] <arti> i downloaded the server
[20:18:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> weird
[20:18:33] <arti> found the build page, searched 4 other sites
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[20:18:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, don't worry about getting the snapshot build just get 1.7.10
[20:19:16] <arti> if i attempt to connect it says outdated client please use 14w31a
[20:19:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> snapshots the launcher downloads itself as necessary if you have snapshots enabled
[20:19:25] <arti> aaaah
[20:19:34] <arti> minecraft gettting all fancy
[20:19:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. in the launcher where it says use latest version, switch that to 31a
[20:20:35] <arti> oh sweet, they made that pretty easy
[20:39:41] <arti> cool ranch, hitting some latency
[20:40:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> crap i guess you would've been. outgoing data rate was insane there for a few minutes
[20:40:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably the thousand cows in such a small space
[20:41:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> and half a million chickens
[20:41:05] <arti> they should add sheeple
[20:41:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> they added rabbits
[20:41:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> including the monty python one
[20:43:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, feel free to explore around it. ima have a smoke.
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[21:29:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> fun. whole computer locked up while playing minecraft.
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[21:59:42] <Blackmoore> i hate that
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[23:36:23] <paulej72> where have all the flower gone
[23:37:28] <juggs> flower?
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