#Soylent | Logs for 2014-07-27

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[00:05:55] <chromas> At least they saved fifteen percent or moron space car insurance
[00:13:04] <arti> heh
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[00:32:12] <arti> i think i know this location
[00:32:13] <arti> http://www.dailymail.co.uk
[00:32:17] <ciri> 14Title(03UTF-8 14/ 03434.317ms. 14/ 12http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2705753/Americas-favorite-burger-comes-chain-probably-never-heard-of.html14 )[0]: 03America's favorite burger comes from The Habit Burger and Grill | Mail Online
[00:32:19] <arti> https://www.google.com!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s0uUgKqQa1RW9lFwe7Xr5Xg!2e0
[00:32:20] <monopoly> ^ 03Google Maps ( https://www.google.com )
[00:48:49] * mrcoolbp drops a pin.
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[00:58:56] <Ethanol-fueled> 'sup.
[00:59:35] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmmm
[00:59:45] <Ethanol-fueled> Oh, it's Spalls, my best friend!
[01:00:28] <SpallsHurgenson> my feet are cold.
[01:00:33] <Ethanol-fueled> World War III is looming.
[01:01:21] <Ethanol-fueled> Obama is going to sign an executive order putting him in charge after his second term is up.
[01:01:31] <Ethanol-fueled> Obama is going to push America into Socialism.
[01:01:50] <mrcoolbp> yay!
[01:01:53] <Ethanol-fueled> Obama is a Muslim plant placed to destroy America.
[01:02:01] <mrcoolbp> obvi
[01:02:10] <Ethanol-fueled> Only a couple years ago, those would have been considered "paranoid, loony ranting."
[01:02:21] <Ethanol-fueled> Now, they are PROPHECY.
[01:02:32] <Ethanol-fueled> 'sup mista cool BP
[01:02:37] <mrcoolbp> yoyo
[01:02:49] <mrcoolbp> Ethanol: did you get my email replies?
[01:03:05] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, I did...or at least, I think I did. I may have opened them droonk.
[01:03:10] <Ethanol-fueled> what were they regarding again?
[01:03:13] <mrcoolbp> ah that would make sense
[01:03:20] <mrcoolbp> it was a response to you.
[01:03:22] <mrcoolbp> = )
[01:03:33] <Ethanol-fueled> aw, shit. Gonna have to dig them up.
[01:03:37] <mrcoolbp> lol
[01:03:52] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm going to try and put those new features into SoyPrinter as well.
[01:04:07] <mrcoolbp> oh yeah, I beleive you were having some issues posting comments or something
[01:04:16] <Ethanol-fueled> Oh, the phone!
[01:04:17] <mrcoolbp> on mobile
[01:04:18] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[01:04:24] <Ethanol-fueled> yeah, I was sober for all that correspondence.
[01:04:53] <mrcoolbp> are you sure?
[01:05:00] <Ethanol-fueled> I haven't tried it since, but It's really not a big deal to me -- browsing on mobile is like driving on the highway looking through a pair of backwards binoculars.
[01:05:19] <mrcoolbp> fair enough, but we'd like to know if there are issues.
[01:05:21] <Ethanol-fueled> (actually, when I sent the e-mail, I was a beer and a shot of jagermeister deep at a beach bar. )
[01:05:29] <mrcoolbp> I knew it!
[01:05:31] <Ethanol-fueled> Mrcoolbp, I'll check later.
[01:05:35] <mrcoolbp> no probl
[01:06:05] <Ethanol-fueled> Hopefully I can put the auto-indent feature into SoyPrinter. That should be pretty easy.
[01:07:32] <Ethanol-fueled> take a string, put each line into an array element, have an integer to count the indent level, foreach line if line contains "{" indent++, if line contains "}" indent --; while not "\n" indent(indent)
[01:07:34] <Ethanol-fueled> etc.
[01:07:58] <Ethanol-fueled> Babby-level programming.
[01:08:29] * mrcoolbp is re-reading the soyprinter entry
[01:08:48] <Ethanol-fueled> hold your nose mrcoolbp -- it's getting stale and starting to smell funny.
[01:10:06] <Ethanol-fueled> was it foobar bazbot? Posted a more full-featured AWK script as a response, but I want mine to be just a couple text fields and a button. I do enough script-sending at work, and it drives me nuts.
[01:10:37] <Ethanol-fueled> That my employer refuses to modernize really burns me out with doing script-y stuff on a terminal -- only it's a serial COM terminal and not *nix shell.
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[01:11:00] <mrcoolbp> yes foobarbazbot
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[01:11:58] <Ethanol-fueled> I should just do the whole thing in Java, because foobar bazbot made fun of me using C# and hurt my feelings. I cried myself to sleep after reading his reply.
[01:12:03] <Ethanol-fueled> It bruised my fragile ego.
[01:12:18] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[01:12:39] <Ethanol-fueled> Open wide, buzzard. I have an oblong object for you.
[01:12:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> .kick TheMightyBuzzard
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[01:13:26] <Ethanol-fueled> How does one kick themself? I thought that was only possible in cartoons?
[01:13:37] <mrcoolbp> it takes practice
[01:13:44] <mrcoolbp> .kick self
[01:13:49] <mrcoolbp> see, didn't work.
[01:13:52] <paulej72> Ethanol-fueled: you need really long and flexible legs
[01:13:53] <Ethanol-fueled> like, when the guy tries to kick something, misses, and his leg loops all the way over his head and boots his own ass.
[01:14:39] <Ethanol-fueled> 'sup pauley
[01:14:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> zactly
[01:15:26] <mrcoolbp> BRB
[01:15:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> fookin tired. was fishing from 6-4. got up to 110 in OKC today, prolly about the same on the lake.
[01:16:48] <Ethanol-fueled> Well, gotta bail -- gotta shoot a signal into a transducer and enter some numbers. I'll probably be on later. Drinking, of course. Don't hesitate to boot me if I degenerate into racial slurs and other senseless drivel. I won't take it personally.
[01:16:59] <mrcoolbp> cool
[01:16:59] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm making an honest effort to quit doing that here.
[01:17:08] * mrcoolbp will take you up on that
[01:17:11] <mrcoolbp> = )
[01:17:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> neat, i been dying to try out some authority abuse
[01:17:37] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, I noticed that you have a plus now.
[01:17:47] <mrcoolbp> .op
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[01:17:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, official staff code monkey first class
[01:17:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Stanford Prison Experiment. you are stinking drunk with power!
[01:18:08] <Ethanol-fueled> Congrats.
[01:18:24] * mrcoolbp promotes TheMightyBuzzard to Code Monkey 2nd Class
[01:18:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> they twisted my arm and beer was promised
[01:18:45] <Ethanol-fueled> Anyway, bye bye everybody. Catch ya later. I've worked 65 hours this week and am in need of a drink.
[01:18:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> adios
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[01:18:57] <mrcoolbp> cio
[01:18:59] <mrcoolbp> ciao
[01:20:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> believe i'll wag my happy ass home about 10am tomorrow. that heat is no joke. came home n passed out for three hours.
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[01:20:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> see you been making good progress, paulej72
[01:21:36] <paulej72> progress. Working backward though. It seems much easier. Also date funcions suck.
[01:21:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[01:22:42] <paulej72> I have decided we will be purching and gifting in days, as it makes and easy transittion from the pages type of sbuscription.
[01:23:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, writing a slashd job to sift through the db and turn off expired subscriptions once a day?
[01:23:54] <paulej72> As an admin I can gift users days, but it is using the pages input box. working on getting the edit page setup with the new inptu and prefs
[01:24:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> or rather decrement their # of days
[01:25:10] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: Environmet.pm has a isSubscriber funcion that i rewote to chech the subscriber_until date in the db and sees if it is in the future.
[01:25:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh
[01:26:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> i figured you'd just input the number of days and have slashd decrement it daily. save a LOT of date calculating.
[01:26:59] <paulej72> but I hit this fucntion more often. NCommander wanted people to be able to hide if they are a subscriber. So on comments the * was part of the comment set at the time it was written. I now check when it is viewed to check the current status of a user, and if they have the hide flag set
[01:27:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[01:27:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> that was an EF request i believe
[01:29:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds like you got a lot of work done. if you have anything left to do by the time i get done fishing tomorrow i'll be surprised.
[01:29:34] <paulej72> the real problem is there is a is_subscriber var for a user, but it is only set for the logged in user. when I get a user object set to another uid it is not set, so I had to call the funciton myself. and get the flag
[01:29:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[01:31:06] <paulej72> well getting the paypal stuff working may be a bitch, but I am saving that for last. Another big issue will be send the emails that subscription is ending or ended.
[01:32:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> you wouldn't think paypal should be too hard. kind of in their interest to make it not be.
[01:32:42] <mrcoolbp> paypal + slash though
[01:32:48] <paulej72> I am trying to limit my use of perl date stuff to what seems to be already installed for slash
[01:33:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> give you a headache, does it?
[01:36:07] <arti> :)
[01:37:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> well if you need anyone to look at it before you start stomping babies, i should be free tomorrow after noon central.
[01:41:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Teenager Discovers Late Father's Ghost-car in Xbox Rally Game - http://sylnt.us - Ghost-in-the-Machine
[01:42:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> awesome, firefly mmog with original cast voicing for it
[01:42:53] <mrcoolbp> whao
[01:43:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.hardocp.com
[01:43:29] <ciri> 14Title(03iso-8859-1 14/ 0315.217sec. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/k7lasaa14 )[0]: 03HARDOCP - Firefly Cast Reuniting for Online Game
[01:47:17] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: it looks kinda corny, but I really want to play
[01:47:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah...
[01:47:45] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard, paulej72: what do you think about partering with SpiderOak via their affiliate program?
[01:47:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> some things you just gotta do
[01:47:46] <mrcoolbp> http://www.shareasale.com
[01:47:47] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03559.322ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/ktto9n414 )[0]: 03ShareASale.com and SpiderOak Inc
[01:48:45] * mrcoolbp is gonna bring it up at the next board meeting
[01:49:01] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: not familiar with spideroak I’lllook at it
[01:49:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> be an ad our community could get behind i expect.
[01:50:06] <mrcoolbp> Yeah, I think it's a good fit for us
[01:50:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> not gonna send a deluge of new users to them but it's something a significant # of SN types would be interested in
[01:50:37] * arti like spideroak
[01:50:53] <arti> i also use dropbox since there are more apps that support it on the ipad
[01:51:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[01:52:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> we go official proponents of them i may switch from dropbox but until then i'm probably just too lazy.
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[02:46:53] <crutchy__> coffee++
[02:46:53] <Bender> karma - coffee: 470
[02:55:43] <crutchy__> quiet weekend
[02:57:50] <paulej72> this subscription code suck teh donkey balls
[03:10:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - This Town Is Using The Ocean To Provide Heat To Low-Income Residents - http://sylnt.us - chilly-heating
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[03:40:22] <Ethanol-fueled> 'Sup again.
[03:41:01] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm going to drop the kids off at the pool and meander a bit, then return and commence drinking.
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[04:02:58] <arti> greetings james :D
[04:12:34] <JamesNZ> Salutations arti :)
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[04:16:48] <arti> how's it going? had any wild experiences recently?
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[04:20:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Anybody here take calc II?
[04:21:02] <Ethanol-fueled> Care to share any experiences?
[04:24:17] <JamesNZ> arti: Not really, just the usual (coding, etc). You?
[04:26:21] <Ethanol-fueled> 'sup James.
[04:26:33] <Ethanol-fueled> is arti alive?
[04:28:11] <Ethanol-fueled> soylent is erroring 503 for everything now.
[04:28:24] <Ethanol-fueled> replying to posts, and any user-related stuff.
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[04:34:17] <juggs> ich, I can't even login over https :(
[04:35:14] * JamesNZ can login fine
[04:35:41] <arti> lol in and out
[04:38:57] <juggs> hmm, oddness. If I bounce my connection through a vps it works fine. ~shrug~
[04:39:08] <arti> the login?
[04:39:14] <juggs> yup
[04:40:47] <JamesNZ> Random thought: Would it be feasible to attach a generator to the wheel/axle of an electric car so one could charge the battery while driving?
[04:41:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Survey Reveals Passengers Demand Faster In-Flight WiFi - http://sylnt.us - say-the-people-selling-it
[04:42:34] <juggs> sure - just like a dynamo on the wheel of a bicycle to power the lights. Probably make more sense to connect it more directly to the engine though, say with a belt maybe? :D
[04:43:12] <juggs> surely you could have infinite electricky this way!
[04:44:37] <JamesNZ> Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Wonder if there's any research about it...
[04:44:54] <arti> we need grant money!!!!!
[04:45:07] <arti> i find i work best with expensive things
[04:45:14] <JamesNZ> :P
[04:45:21] <juggs> we could call it a perpetual motion machine
[04:47:27] <JamesNZ> Though I wonder how long the belt/generator would last, since it'd be turning at quite high RPM.
[04:48:16] <arti> need some victorian era engineering
[04:49:08] <JamesNZ> Steampunk style!
[04:50:07] <arti> the autogenematoria
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[04:57:23] <chromas> arti: s/ene/yno/
[04:57:23] <SedBot2> <chromas> <arti> the autogynomatoria
[04:59:02] <arti> yeah, to get all the crazy out
[04:59:25] <arti> gret great grandparents sybian
[05:01:09] <Ethanol-fueled> what is a sybian?
[05:01:21] <Ethanol-fueled> Is that like a Linux distribution?
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[05:06:17] <Ethanol-fueled> Who can tell me about calc II?
[05:06:21] <Ethanol-fueled> I'
[05:06:36] <Ethanol-fueled> wondering how much I'll have to study.
[05:07:09] <JamesNZ> Ethanol-fueled: Wouldn't it vary from uni to uni?
[05:07:51] <arti> sounds like a tool of some sort
[05:07:56] <arti> !google calc II
[05:07:56] <ciri> 16,800,000 results | Pauls Online Notes : Calculus II @ http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu | Pauls Online Notes : Calculus II - Series & Sequences @ http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu | Pauls Online Notes : Calculus II - Pauls Online Math Notes @ http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu | Topics in a Calculus II Course -
[05:07:57] <ciri> Wolfram MathWorld @ http://mathworld.wolfram.com | Integral calculus | Khan Academy @ https://www.khanacademy.org
[05:08:10] * arti signs
[05:08:24] <arti> the search spell was successfully cast
[05:08:33] * arti fist pumps
[05:10:52] <Ethanol-fueled> WOW.
[05:12:00] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahaha, okay, let me ask another related question -- what does calc II cover in your areas?
[05:12:26] * JamesNZ has happily never had to take a Calc 2 course :D
[05:12:51] <JamesNZ> But the calc 1 course from Coursera covers limits and some other stuff.
[05:13:23] <JamesNZ> (it's a good one too)
[05:14:33] <Ethanol-fueled> Shit, here we do solids of revolution and arc lengths in calc I.
[05:15:21] <arti> making some golden arcs for mcdougals?
[05:15:28] <JamesNZ> I certainly haven't gotten that far with calculus :P
[05:15:38] <Ethanol-fueled> calc II here is series, improper integrals, multivariable calculus.
[05:16:13] <Ethanol-fueled> what pisses me off is that here you have to take calc II before you take discrete math.
[05:16:24] <Ethanol-fueled> probably just another way for those greedy bastards to make more money.
[05:16:29] <arti> it's a referral in the maths social circle
[05:16:36] <arti> outsider!
[05:16:51] <JamesNZ> Hmm, I think the upcoming calc 2 course covers sequences and series.
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[05:30:41] <keplr> I'm testing out 10.10 on my MacBook Air, and overall the changes are good or neutral. But I keep being reminded that it's going to take Mozilla years before they implement any of the UI changes.
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[05:31:23] <keplr> They still haven't gotten everything that was introduced with 10.7 working properly, and that was three years ago.
[05:32:13] <Ethanol-fueled> keplr, what are you talking about?
[05:33:39] <keplr> The new OS X beta. Firefox doesn't fit into it at all, which is fine since it's a Beta but I know that even when it's released it's going to take them months or years to fix the bugs that the new OS causes.
[05:36:45] <Ethanol-fueled> keplr, should we all sell our AAPL stock now?
[05:37:07] <keplr> It's not that serious.
[05:37:35] <keplr> And overall it's a great OS X release.
[05:38:14] <keplr> It's a Mozilla problem, they've never treated the Mac and Linux as equal platforms.
[05:38:43] <keplr> And there silly side projects like Firefox OS are taking up precious developer time that needs to be spent fixing their core products.
[05:38:46] <keplr> *their
[05:38:52] <Ethanol-fueled> You mean equal to each other, or both not having a high priority as Windows?
[05:39:03] <keplr> Neither have as high a priority as Windows.
[05:39:07] <Ethanol-fueled> keplr, agreed with the firefoxOS crap.
[05:39:24] <keplr> Which makes sense in a way, Windows is huge compared to OS X and Linux combined.
[05:39:48] <Ethanol-fueled> Firefox works fine on Linux.
[05:43:22] <keplr> Most of the issues are out of their hands. Isn't hardware acceleration still broken for most people?
[05:43:41] <keplr> I use Midori now on Linux
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[06:00:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Must Not be Left to 'Censor History' Warns Wikipedia Founder Jimmy Wales - http://sylnt.us - vexing-question
[06:01:33] <crutchy__> china prolly has a "backup" of google data and prism
[06:25:38] <SirFinkus> I've just given up and am using safari on yosemite
[06:25:47] <SirFinkus> sick of firefox
[06:26:24] <SirFinkus> as far as native osx support goes, everything else sucks
[06:26:59] <crutchy__> I use aurora, iceweasel chrome and epiphany
[06:27:34] <crutchy__> depending on which icon is closer to my cursor or something :-p
[06:27:39] <SirFinkus> firefox does have awesome plugins though
[06:27:47] <SirFinkus> I wish safari had the same community
[06:27:53] <keplr> Going to have to stick with Safari for a while
[06:28:08] <keplr> There's not the security features I like, but it should be OK.
[06:28:31] <keplr> I miss Noscript and proper cookie management, Self-destructing Cookies. Can't beat the Firefox add-on community.
[06:28:47] <SirFinkus> yeah, noscript is what I miss the most
[06:29:02] <keplr> Easylist+Easyprivacy covers most things.
[06:29:21] <keplr> I need to get my Smoothwall router running again so I can just filter out those things at my network border.
[06:29:26] <SirFinkus> I still like having control over the scripts individually
[06:29:37] <SirFinkus> iirc, those are all blacklists
[06:29:50] <keplr> Yeah they're blacklists for most tracking scripts
[06:29:58] <SirFinkus> if I don't absolutely need javascript, I don't want to run it
[06:30:37] <keplr> Sadly, we are in the minority and Javascript has become as essential as HTML and CSS for websites. You can usually at least read articles without JS but many sites break.
[06:31:24] <SirFinkus> don't really have a problem with js per se, but I just want to know who's running it and why
[06:31:48] <keplr> who: tracking companies, why: to track you
[06:31:52] <keplr> 90% of the time
[06:32:06] <SirFinkus> it still has legitimate uses though
[06:32:25] <SirFinkus> I kind of wish all 3rd party scripts needed explicit permission to run
[06:32:34] <SirFinkus> I'd be happy with that standard
[06:33:11] <keplr> Firefox wasn't even able to get DNT turned on by default because of advertising industry backlash.
[06:33:18] <SirFinkus> as far as tracking goes, you don't really need js
[06:33:27] <SirFinkus> it's stupidly easy to track people
[06:33:28] <arti> lol @ honor system
[06:33:42] <SirFinkus> yeah, DNT means jack shit
[06:33:59] <keplr> The biggest tracking companies don't honour it
[06:34:20] <SirFinkus> and how do you tell that anyone else does?
[06:35:17] <keplr> Officially Facebook does respect the DNT header.
[06:35:43] <SirFinkus> has that css shit been fixed yet? the one that lets anyone have a list of sites you have visited?
[06:35:44] <keplr> But their interpretation of their obligations in respecting it are strange.
[06:36:00] <arti> yeah, i was under thei mpression that was awhile ago
[06:36:11] <arti> the finger print stuff comes from the user agent string goodies
[06:36:14] <SirFinkus> doesn't mean it's been fixed though
[06:36:17] <arti> and flash :D
[06:36:28] <arti> "enumerate their fonts!"
[06:36:30] <SirFinkus> fuckers can tell which fonts you have installed
[06:36:33] <crutchy__> I use noscript in aurora. I have the dev toolbar plugin so can just check js to enable for a site if I need
[06:36:40] <SirFinkus> which is pretty much gg
[06:36:44] * arti has flash disabled in the browser
[06:37:21] <SirFinkus> meh
[06:37:31] <SirFinkus> I just assume that every site I visit is public
[06:37:33] <crutchy__> theres a website that reads all the info it can yet and tells you how unique your config is
[06:37:40] <SirFinkus> realistically, it all is
[06:37:45] <crutchy__> cant remember name of it
[06:37:57] <SirFinkus> I don't care how locked down you are
[06:38:14] <SirFinkus> more of an act of protest than anything for me
[06:39:41] <SirFinkus> unless you go full stallman mode I guess
[06:39:50] <arti> well he has a point
[06:40:14] <SirFinkus> he's right about a lot, but his advice is rather impractical
[06:40:49] <arti> no doubt. i dig whitelisting scripts tho
[06:40:52] <SirFinkus> I suspect his method of reading webpages is rather conspicuous anyway
[06:41:08] <arti> put some minecraft people on an elaborate one
[06:41:16] <arti> rube goldberg machine
[06:41:22] <keplr> He uses wget and reads the HTML in a text editor
[06:41:47] <arti> these are like nerd chucknorris phrases
[06:41:57] <arti> facts
[06:42:11] <SirFinkus> well, he does
[06:42:26] <SirFinkus> I think he gets an itern to email the sites to him sometimes too
[06:42:35] <arti> "daemon"
[06:43:09] <SirFinkus> with stallman its kind of hard to separate the batshit from legitimate advice
[06:43:14] <crutchy__> eeck wget will download inline js too. had better use socket and dc as soon as a script tag is encountered
[06:43:40] <ar> SirFinkus: thing is, most of what he says is legitimate advice
[06:44:34] <ar> SirFinkus: it's just that he has a different perspective than most of us
[06:45:19] <SirFinkus> I think there's a lot of ego shit going on too with him though
[06:45:33] <SirFinkus> like, if you look at him bitching at the bsd guys
[06:45:44] <keplr> He's very Kantian, he'd rather stick to his ethical system regardless of the negative consequences.
[06:46:01] <keplr> Nothing else matters, certainly not convenience
[06:46:02] <SirFinkus> the resentment of torvalds seems to cloud a lot of his arguments
[06:46:29] <SirFinkus> the gnu/linux argument is about as petty as it gets
[06:46:53] <keplr> He might actually have autism spectrum disorder
[06:47:09] <keplr> So obsessing on details isn't unexplainable
[06:47:13] <SirFinkus> probably, but that doesn't really invalidate my point
[06:47:23] <SirFinkus> he isn't really the greatest ambassador
[06:48:52] <keplr> And that's why Linus's name took over
[06:50:33] <ar> keplr: most people i know that are proficient with science/math/IT in general/programming have… not sure how to call them. social disorders?
[06:51:28] <chromas> He needs to go back to his roots and bitch about proprietary printer drivers
[06:51:38] <SirFinkus> srsly though
[06:51:41] <SirFinkus> fuck printers
[06:51:56] <chromas> 80+MB installers
[06:52:13] <SirFinkus> lol, the consumer hp ones are even better
[06:52:33] <SirFinkus> I've downloaded 300MB "drivers" over shitty dsl too many times
[06:52:59] <keplr> You can thank Apple for CUPS, then
[06:53:18] <ar> why do you need printer drivers?
[06:53:30] <SirFinkus> actually a good question ar
[06:53:34] <keplr> Never had a printer not work in OS X without a driver download, either.
[06:53:37] <ar> all you need is a ppd file for cups
[06:53:44] <SirFinkus> why the fuck do we need drivers for printers?
[06:53:46] <ar> works on linux and osx
[06:53:52] <chromas> Giant paletted bitmap buttons with bevels and voice recordings telling me the print job is done
[06:54:10] <SirFinkus> they should just take a bitmap and handle how to print it
[06:54:28] <ar> why don't most printers accept PostScript? it would be easier and stuff wouldn't need drivers
[06:54:52] <keplr> Because they want lots of other features like monitoring ink levels, paper, Wifi, etc
[06:54:56] <chromas> I thought that was the whole point of postscript
[06:55:07] <SirFinkus> not an expert in the field, but it seems to me that all the printers need to do is provide their dpi and ink colors
[06:55:36] <ar> keplr: you could get that over SNMP
[06:55:39] <SirFinkus> if I'm wrong, correct me
[06:55:59] <SirFinkus> oh, general status updates too
[06:56:05] <SirFinkus> "out of paper" etc
[06:56:13] <ar> snmp traps?
[06:56:33] <keplr> And don't forget a system tray daemon that has to constantly check for updates and spam you with ads to buy more paper and ink when you're low
[06:57:05] <chromas> ^ :(
[06:57:08] <SirFinkus> PC load letter etc
[06:57:14] <ar> if i'd need a printer, i wouldn't buy one that doesn't speak postscript
[06:57:31] <ar> and i wouldn't buy an inkjet
[06:57:52] <SirFinkus> entire printer industry is bullshit
[06:58:11] <SirFinkus> fucking DRM ink refills
[06:58:24] <ar> printers are there to make people feel bad about themselves
[06:58:33] <ar> at least the low-end ones.
[06:58:46] <SirFinkus> I don't understand how vendor lock in is illegal if ms does it, but not if hp does
[06:59:07] <SirFinkus> $50 for a cartridge? how about go fuck yourself
[06:59:45] <SirFinkus> laser stuff is better I suppose
[07:00:12] <ar> why buy inkjet printers anyway, when you can get a colour laser printer for about $100 and one that has ethernet and postscript for about $200?
[07:00:32] <ar> it'll last you longer than 4 inkjet cartridges anyway
[07:00:44] <SirFinkus> because inkjets come free with the monitor
[07:01:59] <ar> they do? last two times i bought monitors (one 27" 2560x1440 korean no-name and one Lenovo L220x), they didn't come with printers
[07:02:06] <SirFinkus> I'm pretty sure the color print quality on inkjets is better, but I still haven't met someone who actually prints photos at home
[07:02:25] <chromas> All_in_ones--
[07:02:25] <Bender> karma - all_in_ones: -1
[07:02:27] <SirFinkus> I mean they come bundled with shit, or are like $30
[07:02:46] <SirFinkus> classic gillette razor business model
[07:02:51] <ar> printing photos at home is a hassle anyway
[07:03:32] <ar> buying special papers, special printer settings, special ink. i wonder why they don't ask for special usb cables for photo printing
[07:03:34] <SirFinkus> I've been "freelancing" fixing this kind of shit for a while now
[07:03:46] * chromas just saw an ad earlier for a shiny new razor that pivots on the handle. Must acquire
[07:03:46] <SirFinkus> most problems are with printers and terrible wifi routers
[07:03:59] <ar> hehe
[07:04:21] <SirFinkus> there are like, 3 reliable consumer wifi routers out
[07:04:34] <SirFinkus> everything else tends to shit itself
[07:04:46] <ar> i still have the same accesspoint i bought late 2010/early 2011 - netgear wndr3700v2
[07:05:05] <ar> but i only use it as an accesspoint these days
[07:05:10] <chromas> Mine forgets how to pass dns packets
[07:05:33] <SirFinkus> hehe, I had one of "those" routers too
[07:05:55] <SirFinkus> I think it was one of the entry level cisco ones
[07:06:10] <SirFinkus> like the ones you'd find at best buy
[07:06:11] <ar> and as a router i use a dq77kb with celeron g550 and 8G of ram (the smallest sodimm ddr3 stick i had around)
[07:06:25] <ar> and 30G mpcie ssd
[07:07:25] <SirFinkus> that'd be nice, I'm using an Asus RT-n66u
[07:07:28] <SirFinkus> which is rock solid
[07:07:43] <ar> the motherboard is 19V DC powered and you can use an old HP or Dell laptop power brick with it - even the connector fits
[07:09:39] <SirFinkus> a lot of the consumer stuff doesn't really have the grunt to handle more than a few clients or anything more complex than simple web browsing
[07:09:58] <SirFinkus> even stuff like file transfers seem to fuck up after a few gb
[07:10:23] <ar> which is why i stopped using the wndr3700v2 as a router. i mean, it was fine while i still had only 20mbit downlink
[07:10:48] <ar> but now i have 250mbit
[07:11:01] <SirFinkus> I'm doing a local transfer over wireless at 8 MB/s right now, along with torrents and shit
[07:11:24] <SirFinkus> I need to start upgrading to AC
[07:11:54] <ar> i tend to get ~12-15MB/s from my laptop to the NAS box
[07:11:57] <ar> (over wifi)
[07:12:08] <SirFinkus> is the NAS wired?
[07:12:12] <ar> yes.
[07:12:17] <ar> but the laptop isn't
[07:12:23] <SirFinkus> both clients in this case are wireless, and pretty far away from the AP
[07:12:31] <SirFinkus> so I'm happy with the speeds
[07:13:45] <ar> i wouldn't mind getting 802.11ac, but none of my devices support it
[07:13:57] <SirFinkus> heh, time to get new devices
[07:14:01] <SirFinkus> same situation with me though
[07:14:10] <ar> but newer laptops are crap.
[07:14:28] <keplr> My internet connection is slower than AC allows :(
[07:14:45] <ar> and i don't want to get a android, winpho or iphone. i'm happy with Jolla
[07:14:47] <SirFinkus> once I get money, I'll probably get the next iteration of the rmbp
[07:15:03] <ar> and i hate glossy screens and chiclet keyboards
[07:15:23] <SirFinkus> fair enough, doesn't really bother me though
[07:15:42] <ar> i'm actually still happy with my Thinkpad T420s.
[07:15:59] <SirFinkus> honestly, probably enough grunt for most things
[07:16:16] <SirFinkus> as long as you have the ram and IO speed
[07:16:24] <SirFinkus> disk IO I mean
[07:17:14] <ar> you can put 16G of ram in it, the sandybridge i5 is still quite good and getting an ssd was my day-one upgrade on it
[07:17:28] <SirFinkus> the trouble is a lot of people buy shit with similar specs, but buy the crappy HP one with absolute shit cooling
[07:17:30] <crutchy__> my old toshiba tecra has a matte screen but need to look at workstation laptops for matte screens nowadays
[07:18:15] <SirFinkus> so stuff either breaks, or the machine sounds like a leafblower
[07:18:51] <ar> i wonder if you can get dell e7440 with non-gloss 1920x1080 screen
[07:19:13] <SirFinkus> screen resolution is one of the more important things for me, which is why I got my rmbp
[07:20:35] <ar> i love the actuall usefulness of a laptop when i'm on the move and i consider a trackpoint to be the greatest input device for a non-stationary laptop ever
[07:20:48] <ar> which is another reason i won't ever buy a mac
[07:21:02] <SirFinkus> trackpoints are nice
[07:21:23] <ar> the dell i mentioned has a trackpoint option
[07:21:44] <SirFinkus> the trackpad on mac laptops is good enough for me though, it isn't ever annoying like most trackpads
[07:21:57] <SirFinkus> unless I'm trying to play dota or something lol
[07:22:23] <SirFinkus> oh, the patent expire or something?
[07:22:24] <ar> i can play some games on the trackpoint. not all of them, though
[07:22:42] <ar> dell has had trackpoints licenced for quite a while
[07:23:10] <SirFinkus> hmm, haven't seen any dells with them, I might need to check them out
[07:23:25] <SirFinkus> I kind of wish netbooks were still a thing
[07:23:29] <ar> it's a non-standard option
[07:23:48] <ar> but you can get it on higher-end models
[07:23:54] <SirFinkus> if I could get a 10" netbookish thing with a trackpoint I'd be in heaven
[07:24:18] <chromas> I have a c610 with a clitmouse. It makes the pointer wander around
[07:24:20] <SirFinkus> I know there's a thinkpad like that, but it was expensive last time I looked
[07:24:56] <Popeidol> I think samsung had a trackpoint netbook, but I'm assuming it's been out of production for years
[07:25:00] <ar> i actually considered replacing my t420s with dell e7420 (which is 12"), but that one doesn't have trackpoint option
[07:25:22] <SirFinkus> I paid like $200 for an EEE, it was awesome until I accidentally broke the screen
[07:25:47] <chromas> Did you lightly bump it?
[07:25:55] <SirFinkus> the Atom didn't have much grunt though, but it's been a few years so I'm sure we can get better cpus on it
[07:26:10] <SirFinkus> funny story actually
[07:26:13] <SirFinkus> dropped a gun on it
[07:26:39] <chromas> Well, shoot
[07:26:59] <ar> i was looking around for those x86 8" atom tablets - wanted to know if at least some of them have a detachable keyboard option on actual hinges, not some back stand
[07:27:02] <ar> but no luck
[07:27:09] <SirFinkus> it was actually durable as fuck though, I carried it everywhere and abused it like crazy
[07:27:24] <SirFinkus> dropped it several times
[07:27:34] <SirFinkus> it was $200 so I wasn't too worried about it
[07:27:52] <Popeidol> yeah, surprisingly durable
[07:27:58] <ar> i mean - 8" x86 machine with a detachable keyboard… i woulnd't mind getting one
[07:28:17] <Popeidol> I've got an emachines netbook next to me here, it's taken quite a beating
[07:28:24] <SirFinkus> being able to just put it on your lap is a huge plus
[07:28:31] <SirFinkus> tablets don't really do it for me
[07:28:57] <ar> which is why i wanted a keyboard with hinges, even if a detachable one
[07:29:49] <SirFinkus> there are a few weird windows 8 tablety laptop things, but they all have mechanisms that I'm suspicious of
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[07:30:24] <Popeidol> also, I found that trackpoint netbook: sony vaio p-series
[07:30:29] <chromas> Like windows 8
[07:30:36] <SirFinkus> lol
[07:30:49] <Popeidol> I wanted it pretty hard when it came out, but it cost far too much: http://en.wikipedia.org
[07:30:49] <ciri> 14Title(03"UTF-8 14/ 0320.153ms.14)[0]: 03Sony Vaio P series - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[07:32:14] <Popeidol> without a trackpad taking up space you could fit that thing in your pocket
[07:32:20] <SirFinkus> yeah, shit, just get a macbook air at that rate though
[07:32:32] <crutchy_> almost home
[07:32:37] <SirFinkus> that's ridiculous
[07:32:56] * crutchy_ is missing his favorite couch
[07:33:31] <crutchy_> being in a car all day sucks
[07:34:15] <SirFinkus> not so bad, as long as I'm not driving
[07:34:53] <crutchy_> havent been driving this last leg
[07:35:09] <ar> anyway, it's sunday morning and i need to go get some cat5e/cat6 cables. preferably 8 1m, 4 different colours, two of each. if that fails, a spool and some connectors…
[07:35:26] <SirFinkus> sounds like fun actually
[07:36:09] <SirFinkus> my brother just fucked up the network I set up at my mom's house so I fixed that today
[07:36:26] <SirFinkus> he's a little shit, but I secretly enjoyed it
[07:37:10] * crutchy_ is over crawling under houses with cable
[07:38:00] <crutchy_> theres prolly a couple of runs in my house cos wifi is a bit weak in one room
[07:38:14] <crutchy_> *needed
[07:38:32] <SirFinkus> well, I had smurf tubes so it was easier for me
[07:38:53] <crutchy_> lol "smurf tubes"?
[07:38:55] <ar> i got a new switch for my home network yesterday - dell 2824. got it all configured now, but the cables are all different length, can't get GbE on some of them, some of them miss the plastic "tongues" that keep them in place (what's the proper name for that?) and they're a tangled mess
[07:39:24] <SirFinkus> so like, tubes through the walls for wiring
[07:39:28] <ar> and they're not colour-coded for easy identifications
[07:39:36] <SirFinkus> so you don't have to open the walls up
[07:39:43] <ar> s/s$//
[07:39:43] <SedBot2> <ar> and they're not colour-coded for easy identification
[07:39:43] <SirFinkus> may be a regional term
[07:40:01] <SirFinkus> anyway, mom had a house built and the network guy fucked everything up
[07:40:18] <ar> SirFinkus: http://pl.wikipedia.org - that?
[07:40:19] <ciri> 14Title(03"UTF-8 14/ 03240.072ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/jwsdv7814 )[0]: 03Plik:- Flexible hose -.jpg Wikipedia, wolna encyklopedia
[07:40:26] <SirFinkus> I fixed it, then my brother fucked it up again because he thought he knew better
[07:40:56] <SirFinkus> pretty much ar, they're in the walls and you just push the cables through
[07:40:59] <ar> yup
[07:41:37] <ar> we call them "peszel" for the singular form and "peszle" for plural here
[07:41:43] <SirFinkus> anyway, the terminations by the original guy were pretty bad
[07:42:22] <SirFinkus> he stripped off 6 inches of the insulation on the cat5e whenever he did a punch panel or a jack
[07:42:51] <SirFinkus> several jacks had severed cables from people cutting holes in the drywall or something
[07:43:31] <ar> ouch
[07:43:32] <SirFinkus> he wired up 16 jacks to an 8 port 100mbps switch
[07:43:39] <ar> whaaa
[07:43:47] <SirFinkus> so obviously not everything was wired up
[07:43:57] <SirFinkus> for extra fun, everything was unlabled
[07:44:37] <ar> anyway, i'm off
[07:44:43] <SirFinkus> got an unmanaged gigabit switch and a decent router and fixed it though
[07:44:55] <SirFinkus> night
[07:44:57] <SirFinkus> or whatever it is
[07:45:01] <crutchy_> cya
[07:49:11] <arti> :D
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[08:29:53] <NCommander> It's bloody hot
[08:29:55] <NCommander> Ugh
[08:30:06] <arti> i take it you're not in alaska
[08:30:19] <NCommander> arti, Berlin
[08:30:29] <arti> oh cool, yeah they've been having a heat wave
[08:30:36] <arti> was really bad the week before
[08:30:48] <arti> sehr warm
[08:31:35] <SirFinkus> long way from alaska
[08:31:45] <NCommander> SirFinkus, please don't remind me, I've been on airplanes for the last 26 hours
[08:31:50] <SirFinkus> according to my sister in law, the weather over there is kind of shitty
[08:31:50] * NCommander has quite litterially gone around the world
[08:31:55] <SirFinkus> in alaska I mean
[08:32:03] <NCommander> Its been lovely in Anchorage
[08:32:06] <SirFinkus> uff
[08:32:14] <arti> depends on what these people think is nice SirFinkus
[08:32:27] <SirFinkus> overcast, shitty rain
[08:32:37] <SirFinkus> although she's constantly moving around, idk where she was
[08:33:31] <SirFinkus> 26 hours on planes sounds like hell though
[08:33:31] <NCommander> SirFinkus, that sounds like the slope
[08:33:46] <NCommander> Mentally, i still think its Friday
[08:33:56] <SirFinkus> she checks oil pipelines for corrosion, so she's constantly in different places
[08:34:06] <NCommander> Then yeah, the slope
[08:34:09] <NCommander> WHich sounds about right
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[08:34:16] <NCommander> *really* wish I could have gotten a Russian transit visa for this trip in time
[08:34:23] <NCommander> Had I gone via RUssia, its only 12-16 hours of flying
[08:34:48] <NCommander> WOn't even have needed a visa if someone still flew Anchorage->Moscow direct, but that service went up in smoke about 5 years ago
[08:34:58] <SirFinkus> :(
[08:35:30] <SirFinkus> where did you go through?
[08:35:40] <NCommander> Anchorage->Chicago->New York->Berlin
[08:35:45] <NCommander> The return fuckig miserable though
[08:36:01] <NCommander> Berlin->San Fran (12 hour flight \o/)->Seattle->Anchorage
[08:36:01] <crutchy> with a stop over @ the south pole
[08:36:22] <arti> errbody loves the sp
[08:36:27] <SirFinkus> the east coast us to europe route seems like it'd be neat
[08:36:32] <SirFinkus> fly over greenland and stuff
[08:38:05] <NCommander> SirFinkus, it is, though I zonked out somewhere over the Atlantic
[08:38:22] <NCommander> I'm in Berlin for the next seven days, then on EU roaming mode
[08:38:40] <NCommander> Possibly might go and see if I can finish collecting countries in the Balkins
[08:38:40] <SirFinkus> that part sounds fun too
[08:38:56] <NCommander> Or seee if I can get a rush visa done in Berlin and go somewhere exotic
[08:39:04] <SirFinkus> I was almost born in Germany, which would have been neat
[08:39:05] <NCommander> Possibly Alergia
[08:39:22] <NCommander> Alternatively, I could fill in my Europian Union map
[08:39:26] <crutchy> i hear ukraines nice this time of year. sunny with a chance of gunfire
[08:39:29] <NCommander> I still need Austria and Poland
[08:39:37] <SirFinkus> I think I would have had dual citizenship or something
[08:39:39] <NCommander> And Norway
[08:39:48] <NCommander> Maybe Malita, then take the ferry somewhere
[08:40:08] * SirFinkus wants to visit finland and switzerland
[08:40:17] <SirFinkus> lots of finnish internet friends
[08:41:04] <arti> finnish them
[08:41:15] <crutchy> ncommander, you gunna go see xlefay?
[08:41:17] <NCommander> Been to Finland
[08:41:25] <NCommander> crutchy, oooh, now *there* is an idea
[08:41:33] <SirFinkus> it is kind of weird how many of the people I know are finnish
[08:41:35] <arti> that would be good
[08:41:49] <SirFinkus> it's mostly american, then finnish by far
[08:41:50] <NCommander> Finland was the first place I ever experienced polar night when we did a conference in Tampere
[08:42:25] <SirFinkus> then like Japanese/UK/ and German are tied for third
[08:42:56] <crutchy> ~weather xlefay
[08:42:59] <exec> weather for 10Leeuwarden, Netherlands at 2014-07-27 08:25:00 (UTC) ~ 0.3 hrs ago:
[08:43:00] <exec> temp: 1071.6°F (22°C), dp: 1064.4°F (18°C), press: 101014 mb (-1.1 mb over 0.4 hrs), humid: 1078%, wind: 107 mph (11.2 km/h) @ 10290°
[08:43:22] <SirFinkus> ~weather SirFinkus
[08:43:24] <exec> Weather for "SirFinkus" not found. Check spelling or try another nearby location.
[08:43:31] <SirFinkus> lol
[08:43:53] <crutchy> sirfinkus, ~weather-add SirFinkus wherever you are in the world :-)
[08:44:03] <SirFinkus> ahh
[08:44:13] <SirFinkus> 19 and clear right now
[08:45:19] <crutchy> ~weather-add crutchy beyond pluto
[08:45:19] <exec> code "crutchy" set for location "beyond pluto"
[08:45:28] <SirFinkus> ~weather SirFinkus
[08:45:31] <exec> weather for 10Tumwater, WA US at 2014-07-27 08:12:00 (UTC) ~ 0.6 hrs ago:
[08:45:31] <exec> temp: 1059°F (15°C), dp: 1051.4°F (10.8°C), press: 101025.6 mb (0.4 mb over 0.1 hrs), humid: 1075%, wind: 100 mph (0 km/h) @ 100°
[08:45:59] <SirFinkus> close enough
[08:46:22] <crutchy> can change it whenever
[08:46:35] <crutchy> ~weather-add crutchy traralgon, victoria, australia
[08:46:36] <exec> code "crutchy" set for location "traralgon, victoria, australia"
[08:46:39] <NCommander> ~weather Berlin
[08:46:42] <exec> weather for 10Berlin, DE at 2014-07-27 08:01:00 (UTC) ~ 0.8 hrs ago:
[08:46:42] <exec> temp: 1078°F (25.6°C), dp: 1065.7°F (18.7°C), press: 101013.7 mb (-0.1 mb over 0.5 hrs), humid: 1065%, wind: 101 mph (1.6 km/h) @ 1091°
[08:46:51] <NCommander> ~weather Anchorage
[08:46:54] <exec> weather for 10Anchorage, AK US at 2014-07-27 08:22:00 (UTC) ~ 0.4 hrs ago:
[08:46:55] <exec> temp: 1057°F (13.9°C), dp: 1050.9°F (10.5°C), press: 101011.4 mb (0 mb over 0.3 hrs), humid: 1079%, wind: 101 mph (1.6 km/h) @ 10108°
[08:46:56] <SirFinkus> now, what happens if I change my name to Berlin?
[08:47:01] <NCommander> I miss Anchorage :-(
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[08:47:37] <SirFinkus> and add myself of course
[08:48:44] <crutchy> ~weather-add fart fart
[08:48:45] <exec> code "fart" set for location "fart"
[08:48:51] <crutchy> ~weather fart
[08:48:53] <exec> weather for 10Dehradun, Uttarakhand, India at 2014-07-27 06:00:00 (UTC) ~ 2.8 hrs ago:
[08:48:54] <exec> temp: 1085.6°F (29.8°C), dp: 1076.1°F (24.5°C), press: 101009.5 mb (0.3 mb over 3 hrs), humid: 1073%, wind: 102 mph (3.2 km/h) @ 10140°
[08:49:00] <crutchy> oh my
[08:49:13] <arti> holy city
[08:51:30] <crutchy> city of fragrance
[08:51:54] <arti> the windy city
[08:58:31] <crutchy> ~weather hell
[08:58:34] <exec> weather for 10Washington, DC US at 2014-07-27 08:19:00 (UTC) ~ 0.7 hrs ago:
[08:58:34] <exec> temp: 1076°F (24.4°C), dp: 1072.2°F (22.3°C), press: 101010.1 mb (0.2 mb over 0.3 hrs), humid: 1088%, wind: 101 mph (1.6 km/h) @ 10239°
[08:59:10] <crutchy> ~weather heaven
[08:59:12] <exec> weather for 10Kish Island / Kish, Iran at 2014-07-27 08:00:00 (UTC) ~ 1 hrs ago:
[08:59:12] <exec> temp: 1098.6°F (37°C), dp: 1080.6°F (27°C), press: 101000 mb (0 mb over 0.2 hrs), humid: 1056%, wind: 108 mph (12.8 km/h) @ 10160°
[08:59:16] <crutchy> lol
[09:03:12] <SirFinkus> is hell an easter egg, or happy coincidence?
[09:04:50] <crutchy> i added it one day
[09:05:09] <crutchy> heaven is a coincidence though
[09:07:02] <crutchy> ~weather gaza
[09:07:04] <exec> weather for 10Kiryat Malakhi, IL at 2014-07-27 08:26:00 (UTC) ~ 0.7 hrs ago:
[09:07:05] <exec> temp: 1088°F (31.1°C), dp: 1072.3°F (22.4°C), press: 101017.9 mb (0 mb over 0.3 hrs), humid: 1060%, wind: 104 mph (6.4 km/h) @ 10264°
[09:09:17] <NCommander> crisp, you won't what is really disturbing
[09:09:19] <NCommander> * crutchy
[09:09:25] <NCommander> I actually seriously debated going to Kish Island this tirp
[09:09:37] <NCommander> Its a visa-free region of Iran, even Americans are welcome
[09:09:37] <arti> crispy is when he's been in the sun too long
[09:10:05] <crutchy> you might not have gotten back into the US
[09:12:35] <crutchy> unless you're a wealthy iranian drug lord, in which case its probably easy
[09:14:09] <arti> surely they usually return the mortal containers
[09:19:36] <SirFinkus> yeah, idk if I'd visit iran
[09:20:02] <arti> :O~
[09:20:03] <SirFinkus> if I wanted selective screening at every airport forever, I'd rather visit north korea
[09:20:16] <arti> dear leader
[09:29:33] <crutchy> SirFinkus, does north korea use chicks for screening personnel?
[09:30:11] <SirFinkus> not sure
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[13:32:11] <SirFinkus> yeah, gonna need to stop trying to play and then there was silence
[13:32:20] <SirFinkus> just broke another string
[13:33:52] * SirFinkus didn't like those strings anyway
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[16:37:02] <mrcoolbp> SirFinkus: acoustic or electric?
[16:37:13] <SirFinkus> electric
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[16:45:24] <mrcoolbp> what gague?
[16:47:08] <SirFinkus> I had 10 - 46s on it, but think I might go a step up
[17:17:07] <mrcoolbp> 11s are where it's at
[17:17:38] <mrcoolbp> I can still do 1-and-a-half-step bends no problem.
[17:17:51] <SirFinkus> what I figure
[17:17:55] <mrcoolbp> and breakage/tone is way better
[17:18:22] <SirFinkus> the last strings I got lasted 2 days lol
[17:18:30] <mrcoolbp> that's bad.
[17:18:40] <SirFinkus> yeah
[17:19:05] <mrcoolbp> though I have a weird issue where I have a lot of breakage right at my bridge, I need to try some graphite saddles
[17:19:37] <SirFinkus> 2 step bends on high e are the culprit for me
[17:19:46] <mrcoolbp> those are dangerous
[17:20:23] <mrcoolbp> I tend not to attempt those for that reason
[17:20:59] <SirFinkus> haha
[17:20:59] <mrcoolbp> 1 1/2 is my limit. But I regularly do it in the guitar solo in "Another Brick in the Wall"
[17:22:06] <mrcoolbp> It's particularly challenging because its pluck then bend: 13 / (15) /(16) \ (13)
[17:22:21] <mrcoolbp> hard to even keep the sustain on that one
[17:22:24] <SirFinkus> http://youtu.be there are like 3 2 step high e bends in that final riff, which is repeated several times
[17:22:26] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03654.768ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/prpqgul14 )[1]: 03Blind Guardian - And then there was silence - YouTube
[17:22:54] <SirFinkus> and periodically throughout the song of course
[17:23:45] <SirFinkus> usually the fretboard is covered in pieces of my fingers after that one
[17:24:26] <mrcoolbp> all I can here is synthesizers on my laptop speakers
[17:25:08] <SirFinkus> you'll just have to believe me then lol
[17:25:21] * mrcoolbp knows what you mean about pieces of fingers strewn about. There's blood involved occasionally
[17:25:42] <SirFinkus> I haven't bled yet, not for lack of trying though
[17:26:00] <mrcoolbp> okay, well, remind me to show you my album when it's finished.
[17:26:13] <SirFinkus> please do, what type of music is it?
[17:26:21] <mrcoolbp> prgressive rock
[17:26:53] <mrcoolbp> heavy, yet dynamic, somewhat schitzophrenic
[17:27:32] <SirFinkus> neat, I don't like predictable music
[17:28:16] <SirFinkus> well, I suppose I do, but I prefer weird stuff
[17:28:40] <mrcoolbp> it's weird enough
[17:29:12] <mrcoolbp> influences: tool, floyd, AiC, pearl jam, deftones, rage, etc.
[17:30:09] <SirFinkus> friend is a bit tool fan, I don't like the vocals though
[17:30:13] <SirFinkus> big rather
[17:30:21] <mrcoolbp> fair enough but the music is awesome
[17:30:34] <mrcoolbp> Danny Carey is rediculous
[17:30:49] <SirFinkus> yeah, good stuff
[17:31:50] <mrcoolbp> our drummer was carey-eaque, but not anywhere near as surgical
[17:32:05] <mrcoolbp> s/eaque/esque/
[17:32:06] <SedBot2> <mrcoolbp> our drummer was carey-esque, but not anywhere near as surgical
[17:32:10] <SirFinkus> I've been obsessed with tesseract lately
[17:32:25] <mrcoolbp> is that math-rocky?
[17:33:09] <SirFinkus> I wouldn't call it that, it's more progressive metaly with a lot of djent stuff
[17:33:30] <mrcoolbp> lol, okay well remind me, I gotta run to work in 30seconds
[17:33:33] <SirFinkus> they even bust out a saxophone sometimes
[17:33:39] <mrcoolbp> sweet
[17:33:44] <mrcoolbp> Rock. On.
[17:33:53] <SirFinkus> peace
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[21:41:23] <Drop> Does anyone else get the wrong page title for https://soylentnews.org ?
[21:41:24] <monopoly> ^ 04SN Poll : Poll (b>33; </div> <div class="generalbody"> <!-- start template: ID 360, pollbooth;misc;default --> <div id="pollbody"> <form action="//soylentnews.org/pollBooth.pl" method="post"> <input type="hidden" name="qid" value="37"> <input type="hidden" name="section" value="mainpage"> <p><b>When is the last time you remember using a VCR?)
[21:41:46] <chromas> ooh, broken scraper detected
[21:42:10] <chromas> I get "When is the last time you …"
[21:43:02] <Space_Man> <title>SoylentNews Poll | What should I do to the ...</title>
[21:43:15] <chromas> weird
[21:43:25] <chromas> oh
[21:43:31] <Drop> Hmm. I get Would you buy a robotic car
[21:43:38] <chromas> now that I voted, I get "Would you buy a robotic car?"
[21:44:15] <Drop> I didn't vote but i was looking at the results page
[21:44:48] <chromas> https://soylentnews.org
[21:44:49] <monopoly> ^ 04SN Poll : When is the last time you remember using a VCR? (33 comments; 196 total votes)
[21:45:00] <chromas> It woks if pollBooth.pl has parameters
[21:45:33] <Space_Man> after pressing f5 the title has changed to <title>SoylentNews Poll | When is the last time you ...</title>
[21:46:12] <chromas> Wow, when do they change the polls? I don't remember the last several
[21:48:14] <Drop> I usually miss them in the sidebar; it'd be nice if they showed up as stories too (or do they already?)
[21:50:01] <juggs> No, I think they are just in the box on the side
[21:54:19] <Drop> Seems to happen on the dev server too
[22:04:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> Drop, document that sucker and we'll see about getting a fix into the 14.10 update. 14.08 is pretty well locked. https://github.com
[22:04:07] <monopoly> ^ 03Issues · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
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[22:38:12] <Drop> Would someone mind testing this out, i've tried in all my installed browsers. Go to http://dev.soylentnews.org and then go to a poll. Is the title correct?
[22:38:12] <ciri> 14Title(03UTF-8 14/ 03197.169ms.14)[0]: 03Dev.SN Poll
[22:39:00] <Drop> Then if you go backto the poll booth and select a different poll is the title correct, or is it the previous poll or random?
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[22:41:40] <chromas> I get "How often should SoylentNews plan to…" for all of them so far
[22:42:11] <chromas> except for the one it goes to. For that, I get "When I use degrees, I measure"
[22:42:28] <juggs> Hmm, Drop, is the "Do you like my second test?" Poll supposed to have a page title of Dev.SN Poll | Which story do you want... ?
[22:43:24] <chromas> juggs: that's the issue—the titles seem to be random and/or stuck on one value
[22:43:44] <chromas> on dec and production
[22:43:49] <chromas> s/c/v/
[22:43:49] <SedBot2> <chromas> on dev and production
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[22:44:05] <juggs> ahh, OK - now I have gone back to that page a 2nd time it has the "How often.... " title
[22:45:53] <juggs> chromas, if you go back to the 2nd test poll page and do a deep refresh (Ctrl-F5) et voila the title changes again :D
[22:48:43] <chromas> So would that be a server-side caching issue?
[22:48:57] <chromas> Caching part of a page, though(?)
[22:49:07] * chromas blames perl and regex
[22:50:03] * arti blames cracks in the pavement
[22:50:12] <juggs> ~shrug~ Maybe the varnish tarnished where the slashd db interfaces with the ebola resistance module again? That is just a wild guess mind :D
[22:51:44] <chromas> juggs: are you saying slash pulled out from behind and varnished me with a perl regex?
[22:53:48] <juggs> chromas, not quite, but that is another possibility.
[22:54:17] * chromas puts away the tome of poor dirty jokes
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