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[00:18:04] <TheMightyLaptop> coffee++
[00:18:04] <Bender> karma - coffee: 463
[00:22:58] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyLaptop: for me it's a bit late for that, but it sure does sound good
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[00:24:58] <TheMightyLaptop> bit hot for it too but we all gotta make sacrifices
[00:25:06] <TheMightyLaptop> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[00:25:09] <exec> weather for 10Ada, Ada Municipal Airport, OK, United States at 2014-07-25 05:50:00 (UTC) ~ 18.6 hrs ago:
[00:25:09] <exec> temp: 1073.4°F (23°C), dp: 1071.6°F (22°C), press: 101016.9 mb (0 mb over 0.3 hrs), humid: 1094%, wind: 104 mph (6.4 km/h) @ 10160°
[00:29:57] <mrcoolbp> sacrifices--
[00:29:57] <Bender> karma - sacrifices: -1
[00:30:07] * mrcoolbp runs off
[00:51:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - European Central Bank Hacked - Personal Data Stolen - http://sylnt.us - where-was-the-opt-out-checkbox-again?
[00:52:09] <TheMightyLaptop> pulled the model m out of retirement today. forgot how good it feels to type on. also forgot it weighs like 7lbs, which matters when you're holding it on your lap.
[00:53:10] <juggs> yeah, that's not exactly convenient - great for bash away on on a desk though as it never moves
[00:53:58] <juggs> I think they were believed to be surreptitious weapons, the keyboard function is just an aside :D
[00:54:24] <TheMightyLaptop> yeah, i always held that if you absolutely had to, you could beat someone to death with one.
[00:54:56] <TheMightyLaptop> home security and input all in one
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[00:55:36] <juggs> may not have anything else to hand if you're at your desk and some nefarious villain appears through the window..... or some other equally unlikely scenario
[00:56:12] <TheMightyLaptop> batman would use a model m. then fit it with evil little extras.
[00:57:08] * TheMightyLaptop says as he types on a gods awful chicklet laptop keyboard
[00:57:16] * SpallsHurgenson damns people who don't optimize their PDFs to the "special hell"
[00:57:40] * TheMightyLaptop damns people who create PDFs to the "special hell"
[00:58:16] <TheMightyLaptop> they are the edsel of document formats
[00:59:36] <TheMightyLaptop> documents should never be in binary format. if you can't open your document in vim, you are wrong.
[01:01:14] <TheMightyLaptop> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[01:01:16] <exec> weather for 10Ada, Ada Municipal Airport, OK, United States at 2014-07-25 05:50:00 (UTC) ~ 19.2 hrs ago:
[01:01:17] <exec> temp: 1073.4°F (23°C), dp: 1071.6°F (22°C), press: 101016.9 mb (0 mb over 0.3 hrs), humid: 1094%, wind: 104 mph (6.4 km/h) @ 10160°
[01:01:30] <TheMightyLaptop> 19.2 hours ago?!
[01:01:37] <TheMightyLaptop> wtf good is that to me?
[01:02:23] <arti> well if you ever travel back in time
[01:02:27] <arti> i know you can travel to the future
[01:02:47] <TheMightyLaptop> yeah, thas easy. just lay down for a nap and poof, future.
[01:03:28] * SpallsHurgenson is moving backwards through time... but since I do everything backwards anyway, nobody notices :)
[01:03:55] <TheMightyLaptop> how'm i supposed to accurately quantify how miserable it is outside when i step out for a smoke? collect and measure my ball sweat?
[01:04:29] * TheMightyLaptop smacks crutchy__
[01:04:33] <SpallsHurgenson> is that an internationally recognized method of determining ambient temperature?
[01:04:50] <TheMightyLaptop> SpallsHurgenson, by anyone with balls, yep.
[01:05:57] <TheMightyLaptop> guess i'll brave it anyway
[01:06:09] <SpallsHurgenson> what about by the other 51.3% of the population?
[01:06:11] <juggs> dun dun dunnnnnnnnnnnn!
[01:06:29] <juggs> there are plenty of balls around they can appraise
[01:06:59] <SpallsHurgenson> "Excuse me sir, I just need to check the temperature." ?
[01:07:14] * SpallsHurgenson is obviously living in the wrong climate :)
[01:07:21] <exec> [soylent] homerow: to help your coworker see the error of his way by beating him senseless with your keyboard
[01:07:34] * juggs blinks
[01:07:41] <chromas> forgot I had that redirect on
[01:08:05] <Alberto> Dudes
[01:08:11] <arti> hombres
[01:08:11] <chromas> was wondering where the ~define went to :)
[01:08:14] <Alberto> there is a FS wich not rely on directory's ?
[01:08:26] <arti> not sure
[01:08:27] <chromas> There're a few tagging ones
[01:08:32] <chromas> tagfs and stuff
[01:08:33] <arti> NSAFS
[01:08:40] <arti> works exclusively off of metadata
[01:08:40] <Alberto> tags?
[01:08:53] <arti> ;)
[01:09:04] <Alberto> https://github.com
[01:09:05] <monopoly> ^ 03marook/tagfs · GitHub
[01:09:07] <Alberto> this one?
[01:09:17] <chromas> Yeah; there are more
[01:09:37] <Alberto> where i can find them, there is a list?
[01:09:43] <Alberto> i want to replace ext*
[01:09:51] <Alberto> must check if there is a distro for that
[01:10:04] <Alberto> planning to use epoch from SubLinux
[01:10:09] <SpallsHurgenson> argh, no folders? All the files in one place? my OCD is going nuts just thinking about it!
[01:10:32] <chromas> https://en.wikipedia.org
[01:10:32] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Semantic file system: Semantic file systems are file systems used for information persistence which structure the data according to their semantics and intent, rather than the location as with current file systems. It allows the data to be addressed by their ...
[01:10:53] <SpallsHurgenson> no, no, stop, no more please!
[01:11:00] <chromas> bra hahahah!
[01:11:01] * SpallsHurgenson starts re-organizing his files
[01:11:12] <TheMightyLaptop> SpallsHurgenson, i'm with you. it's heresy.
[01:11:13] <chromas> Yeah but you could still see them as folders
[01:11:23] <chromas> it's just that they could show up in more than one place
[01:11:43] <SpallsHurgenson> that's even worse!
[01:11:46] <chromas> pics/xmas/2006 or pics/kids or whatever
[01:11:47] <TheMightyLaptop> s'why god created hardlinks
[01:11:48] <juggs> hour many years does one have to spend cleaning up oodles of "metadata" to get something like that anywhere near usable?
[01:12:31] <TheMightyLaptop> juggs, for an average linux install? i don't think there's been enough time elapsed in the universe yet.
[01:12:49] <SpallsHurgenson> juggs: all of which disappears as soon as you transfer it to another file system :)
[01:13:02] <TheMightyLaptop> fuck knows what it would make of my porn collection
[01:13:21] <Alberto> damn
[01:13:31] <Alberto> all what i see is kind of a proof of concept
[01:13:33] <chromas> (TheMightyLaptop's porn collection)++
[01:13:33] <Bender> karma - (themightylaptop's porn collection): 1
[01:13:45] <Alberto> nothing NATIVE
[01:13:53] <arti> TheMightyBuzzard, it would be just your bits of hardware, you know vintage arcade units and older cases :P
[01:13:54] <SpallsHurgenson> the first time I used itunes, my scream could be heard from two continents over as it "reorganized" my MP3s :)
[01:13:58] <TheMightyLaptop> Alberto, it's an interesting but eventually just bloody bad idea.
[01:14:09] <Alberto> TheMightyLaptop, why?
[01:14:28] <Alberto> or why not allow a currect fs to have tag based metadata?
[01:14:43] <TheMightyLaptop> because nobody has the time to properly tag every file on a drive.
[01:14:57] <TheMightyLaptop> and if they're not properly tagged, what's the point?
[01:14:57] <SpallsHurgenson> and nobody agrees on what tags to use anyway :)
[01:15:16] <Alberto> we use metadata all time
[01:15:50] <chromas> Just need the NSA to provide a service like the cd/music databases
[01:15:51] <SpallsHurgenson> and even if they do, they misspell the tags :)
[01:16:15] <TheMightyLaptop> there ya go, they know what's on your drive anyway. might as well make themselves useful with it.
[01:16:37] <Alberto> i don't care about NSA
[01:16:45] <Alberto> i don't have things to hidde :)
[01:16:57] <Alberto> pr0n maybe, still not a national security issue
[01:16:57] <Alberto> :p
[01:17:08] <Alberto> chromas, do you have things to hidde? :D
[01:17:33] <SpallsHurgenson> everybody has something to hide
[01:17:38] <juggs> This made me chuckle earlier today (it touches on metadata towards the end :) http://www.theregister.co.uk
[01:17:42] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03368.965ms. 14/ 12http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/25/nsa_tell_me_about_your_turkish_connections/ 14 )[0]: 03NSA man: 'Tell me about your Turkish connections' The Register
[01:17:52] <paulej72> Alberto: depends on the porn
[01:18:10] <Alberto> 18+ no animals
[01:18:10] <Alberto> :p
[01:18:20] <TheMightyLaptop> doesn't have to be national security. you violate several laws every day. all they have to do is keep track and slam you with them all at once.
[01:20:52] <Alberto> still you can crypt your partitions
[01:21:02] <Alberto> i made a little lfs linux
[01:21:07] <Alberto> to store documents
[01:21:22] <Alberto> the disk is fill with 0 100 times if the crypt fails
[01:21:42] <Alberto> i'm paranoid on a few areas but on my personal computer i don't have issues
[01:21:55] <Alberto> i just wanted a new fs wich is not based on / /blah etcetera
[01:22:55] <juggs> lol try that in the UK - 1st you'll get jailed for not handing over the keys in the 1st place and then they will tag on obstruction of a police investigation charge to add to the fun.
[01:23:05] <TheMightyLaptop> same in the us
[01:23:51] <Alberto> well from mexico to argentina
[01:24:04] <Alberto> we still have some "freedom" regarding digital information
[01:24:27] <juggs> I thought you US guys had some constitutional doodat that meant you didn't have to hand over encryption keys - or id it get ruled that it's the same as having to hand over the keys to the safe - I lose track
[01:24:34] <TheMightyLaptop> and you will right up until someone in power really wants to know what someone has on their drive
[01:24:45] <Alberto> anyone tested Btrfs or ZFS?
[01:25:02] <TheMightyLaptop> juggs, we do but some fool judge decided that telling them your encryption pw was not speech
[01:25:26] <Alberto> move your data outside us or uk
[01:25:28] <Alberto> and job done
[01:25:29] <Alberto> :D
[01:25:41] <TheMightyLaptop> cross the internet? ya, thas secure.
[01:25:49] <Alberto> Switzerland has no issues too
[01:26:03] <Alberto> TheMightyLaptop, use your own protocol :)
[01:26:09] <juggs> not really as NSA and GCHQ have every fibre tapped - so they ~know~ where your data is and can compel you to retrieve it
[01:26:38] <Alberto> i do have my own protocol for data transfer
[01:26:47] <juggs> pigeon?
[01:26:53] <Alberto> i did it for games and started to use on projects for sensitive information
[01:27:31] <Alberto> is kind of a mess because you must decode on both ends
[01:27:36] <Alberto> but the transfer is secure
[01:28:06] <Alberto> There is many ways to protect your data you just have to figure how.
[01:28:41] <swiss> i confirm, 0 issues here
[01:28:58] <Alberto> swiss :)
[01:29:15] <swiss> :P
[01:29:25] <Alberto> maybe you can use some james bond shit to steal data
[01:29:49] <TheMightyLaptop> hang on, do you lot have people bitching about the assault rifles you're all required to keep handy?
[01:29:49] <Alberto> but no gov at latin america will handle personal information if not a issue for the host country.
[01:30:26] <Alberto> and you did give me a great idea :D
[01:30:40] <swiss> i think that if you use a new form of encryption for data transfer, you're basically tagging your data to say "HEY NSA DUDES, HERE'S SOMETHING MORE INTERESTING THAN FOLLOWING STUPID DRUGGIES"
[01:31:02] <TheMightyLaptop> swiss, basically
[01:31:06] <Alberto> it will be fun :p
[01:31:11] <swiss> i mean, think of what those dudes do all day
[01:31:26] <swiss> they have to deal with the shitty traffic of the net. And they signed up to crack cool new codes and stuff
[01:31:26] <TheMightyLaptop> look at nude selfies
[01:32:03] <swiss> NSA doesn't hire idiots really. So when you have a new "encryption" style on your data, it lets them do what they want to do, and what they signed up to do
[01:33:05] <juggs> that's all good then :D
[01:33:06] <Alberto> its funny how you all give them so many credit
[01:33:21] <Alberto> so the rest of the worlf is full of idiots right lool
[01:34:09] <juggs> who said that?
[01:34:13] <swiss> ...
[01:34:21] <Alberto> i deal with gov shit before, saw it, work there, and they (a few geeks) maybe are smarter than the average, but KISS will always beat their asses.
[01:34:26] <TheMightyLaptop> well when the truth came out and made the conspiracy nuts' theories look tame by comparison, you gotta give them the credit they're due.
[01:34:29] <swiss> have you dealt with NSA?
[01:34:50] <Alberto> no, worked on int at federal police of my country
[01:34:52] <swiss> Nobody I've met there has been an idiot.
[01:35:00] <Alberto> saw how they deal with this kind of stuff
[01:35:01] <juggs> have you siwss?
[01:35:04] <swiss> juggs: yeah
[01:35:16] <Alberto> swiss, no offend intended
[01:35:18] <swiss> i've dealt with them a bit
[01:35:38] <juggs> swiss, can you / will you discuss in what capacity?
[01:35:47] <swiss> juggs: they tried to recruit me
[01:35:56] * chromas hears vans rolling by…
[01:36:02] <swiss> I turned them down when they didn't have a west coast location
[01:36:03] <Alberto> til there is a real quantum computer cracking stuff there will be humans, and we have flaws :D
[01:36:12] <TheMightyLaptop> chromas, that's just my wifi ssid
[01:36:30] <chromas> TheMightyLaptop: a strong signal, you haz
[01:36:36] * SpallsHurgenson reads that as "chromas, that's just what my wife said"
[01:36:52] <swiss> the thing is, they have some of the smartest minds over there. They are the ones trying to keep on top of the world's standards for encryption.
[01:37:20] <swiss> Both creating new encryption standards for them to securely transfer data, and breaking the current ones to decipher data sent by foreign countries
[01:37:47] <TheMightyLaptop> swiss: s/foreign//
[01:37:48] <SedBot2> <TheMightyLaptop> <swiss> Both creating new encryption standards for them to securely transfer data, and breaking the current ones to decipher data sent by countries
[01:38:02] <swiss> and if you're really into encryption, where else are you going to work and get paid to sit and create/break encryption all day?
[01:38:50] <juggs> And working out how to manipulate encryption standards bodies to incorporate some slightly flawed prng or smesuch :D
[01:38:57] <Alberto> i got friends who do encryption at CoreSec and other places, tried a few teories with them and work as i expected, sometimes is not of how harder to break the encryption is.
[01:39:01] <swiss> TheMightyLaptop: the goal is other countries. Seeing illegal activity of our own was a side effect. A side effect they should have turned over to the FBI imo.
[01:39:45] <swiss> juggs: that's one thing I've never been okay with. I hate the idea they would hinder progress to try to keep their job easy.
[01:39:51] <TheMightyLaptop> swiss, can't. fbi are legally prohibited without a warrant. so they whitewashed the data and used it anyway.
[01:40:07] <Alberto> US is fuck regarding data rights?
[01:40:22] <TheMightyLaptop> Alberto, really in flux right now
[01:40:39] <Alberto> is sad, really
[01:40:46] <TheMightyLaptop> in theory we're strong on freedom. the government disagrees.
[01:40:58] <swiss> TheMightyLaptop: Prohibited from certain data. I believe there will be changes to data laws in the next few years to make the public pipes have the same laws as traffic cameras/security cams
[01:41:47] <TheMightyLaptop> swiss, probably. s'why i use a vpn for anything non-cat-picture-innocent
[01:42:08] <swiss> I see why they did it (it's one of those "Holy shit, look at how much crime we can find and prevent!" things), but they should have recognized the violation of their regulations
[01:42:39] <TheMightyLaptop> yeah, instead they went over to the dark side and doubled down
[01:42:50] <swiss> eh, i don't use a vpn or anything (except for some stupid japanese games that get mad when you come from somewhere that isn't japan), cause I don't do anything that's high profile enough for them to care
[01:43:16] <chromas> What kind of geek are you, anyway?
[01:43:26] <swiss> working in a similar capacity, where I do data monitoring on a giant corporate environment, I can understand exactly how they felt
[01:43:30] <TheMightyLaptop> me either aside from the occasional copyright violation but i'm not giving them even that much they can use on me.
[01:43:47] <Alberto> anyone tried this? https://github.com
[01:43:48] <monopoly> ^ 03tcpcrypt/INSTALL-Linux.markdown at master · sorbo/tcpcrypt · GitHub
[01:45:15] <swiss> Other benefit of a corporate network - Different laws!
[01:45:41] <TheMightyLaptop> ya, the hardware belongs to you, not the users
[01:45:55] <swiss> so does their traffic when they're on the network
[01:46:28] <TheMightyLaptop> nod nod, for the most part
[01:46:29] <swiss> there are arguments over what we can take action on, but part of them using our hardware is them agreeing to have their activity monitored
[01:47:35] <juggs> swiss, who is "we" referring to that sentence?
[01:47:53] <TheMightyLaptop> i know i would have gotten in trouble for getting overly big brother when i ran an isp but most corp situations that's another story
[01:47:56] <swiss> juggs: those monitoring the infrastructure
[01:48:24] <swiss> and the traffic being monitored is the internal network, not the customer facing devices
[01:48:38] <swiss> those have some monitoring on them, but mostly in the form of application firewalls and such
[01:49:00] <juggs> sorry, I'm dipping in and out, I didn't read back thoroughly enough :D
[01:49:17] <swiss> I wouldn't mind the NSA having monitoring across our network for certain things. Specifically, botnet and malware monitoring
[01:49:38] <swiss> and, if they can do it without slowing down the pipes, doing blocking for certain callbacks
[01:50:18] <swiss> That would be beneficial as it would heavily reduce the amount of organized attacks that occur
[01:50:43] <TheMightyLaptop> i'd rather have the botnet. at least criminals are straightforward about where they stand instead of saying it's for your own good.
[01:50:54] <swiss> Whether they could take legal action from that data is another question
[01:51:22] <TheMightyLaptop> swiss, they give anonymous tips to other agencies like the fbi/dea/etc...
[01:51:43] <swiss> Right now I believe it requires talking to individual ISPs when we want to have servers taken down because they're part of a botnet
[01:51:47] <TheMightyLaptop> "be at this truck stop at 10pm" n stuff like that
[01:51:59] <swiss> that's not malware. That's other forms of monitoring
[01:52:16] <swiss> I'm strictly talking about firewalls
[01:52:20] <TheMightyLaptop> mmm
[01:52:28] <swiss> and the logic to auto-create/add/remove rules on them
[01:52:50] <swiss> I would love to see brobot disappear
[01:52:52] <TheMightyLaptop> and you'd trust them with a network device in promiscuous mode on your network to only do what they were supposed to?
[01:52:53] <juggs> swiss, you mad bro? You'd welcome the NSA across your network for some payback of detecting botnets and malware?
[01:53:31] <swiss> juggs: On the wide internet, I don't understand the assumption of privacy. My traffic goes through *how many* people's networks before it hits the destination?
[01:53:34] <TheMightyLaptop> ya, i mean come on, they're a SPY agency. it's kinda in their mandate.
[01:53:51] <swiss> I'd rather know who's in the center
[01:54:27] <juggs> swiss, sorry, I missed again, I thought you were meaning welcoming them to your own internal network
[01:54:33] <swiss> nah
[01:54:52] <swiss> though I am sure we would
[01:54:56] <juggs> I'll sh'up until I can pay proper attention :D
[01:55:33] <swiss> big corporations make the government happy, and it is beneficial for them to have big corps around
[01:55:37] <TheMightyLaptop> juggs, this is SN... next thing you know you'll be saying we should RTFA
[01:56:45] <swiss> Alberto: oh, a note for the intelligence of NSA personell... Snowden was a lowly sysadmin. He wasn't deemed smart enough to be more.
[01:57:08] <swiss> So think about the intelligence of other there
[01:57:24] <swiss> another interesting note about the NSA is that they're still stuck on the GS payscale
[01:57:53] <juggs> TheMightyLaptop, nah, I#ll leave you to fumble around while I read the manual and get the contract :D
[01:57:56] <swiss> meaning most people at the NSA would make more elsewhere
[02:01:29] <TheMightyLaptop> juggs, where's the fun in that?
[02:01:35] <juggs> TheMightyLaptop, or more likely I'll still be trying to find the manual and you'll have the job done already :D
[02:02:12] <TheMightyLaptop> certainly haven't read any of the slash docs yet.
[02:03:13] <juggs> surprised it even has docs
[02:04:03] <TheMightyLaptop> PJ says it does. i've gotten by fine just reading the code so far.
[02:04:36] <juggs> now you're just showing off :D
[02:05:14] <TheMightyLaptop> me n burt reynolds, it's what we do
[02:06:06] <juggs> but do you wield the 'tache so effectively?
[02:07:42] <TheMightyLaptop> nah, i'd have to be sam elliot or tom selleck to do that.
[02:08:30] <chromas> ^ The answer to all those "How do we get moar womenz into tech?" questions
[02:08:41] <TheMightyLaptop> workin on a beard of billy gibbons proportions though
[02:09:00] <juggs> does it have it's own fauna yet?
[02:09:18] <TheMightyLaptop> no but i think it has some of my dinner still
[02:09:48] <juggs> snack for later
[02:09:54] <TheMightyLaptop> zactly
[02:11:20] <TheMightyLaptop> think i need about 3-4 more inches, then a photo, then a razor
[02:11:27] <TheMightyLaptop> nograb
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[02:16:19] <juggs> ya, probably best not to share those photos
[02:20:51] <TheMightyLaptop> well, i'm out to go get my gear ready for some 6am fishing
[02:20:58] <TheMightyLaptop> later folks
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[03:01:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Elephants: Best Sense of Smell by a Wide Margin - http://sylnt.us - to-smell-well-or-to-smell-good
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[05:33:37] <Konomi> meh the HopeX videos are very bad for sound sometimes
[05:34:37] <keplr> Yet the audio only feed works fine.
[05:34:57] <keplr> That's how I listen, anyway.
[05:34:58] <Konomi> it's a conspiricy!
[05:35:17] <Konomi> it's dirving me nuts cause it sounds like analog interferance
[05:35:25] <Konomi> aka radio or an old tv set when you';re not tuned in well
[05:35:45] <Konomi> keplr: has anyone archived the audio stream?
[05:35:48] <arti> wonder if its a coded message
[05:35:56] <Konomi> coded headache
[05:37:39] <arti> maybe chillax with some white noise after :D
[05:37:47] <keplr> Good question. I hope someone has, but I don't know of any
[05:37:58] <arti> greets keplr
[05:39:01] <keplr> grüß Gott.
[05:39:16] <arti> guten abend
[05:39:32] <arti> http://www.moreliates.mx <- om nomnomnom
[05:39:33] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03142.397ms.14)[0]: 03Catalogo de ates. Dulces tradicionales MORELIATES.
[05:40:27] <keplr> I got a new Ikea desk today. I don't know what to do with the space, it's so luxurious
[05:40:39] <arti> oh awesome! more deskspace is always welcome
[05:41:10] <arti> i like having references an arm reach away
[05:41:22] <keplr> I have my dual 21" LCDs, two notebooks, and my desktop all on it with still room for all my various brickbrack
[05:41:57] <keplr> And a space to hold a plate of food
[05:41:59] <arti> it's hard going back to a single display
[05:42:16] <keplr> It should be a war crime
[05:42:36] <arti> http://agentpalmer.com
[05:42:36] <ciri> 14Title(03iso8859-1 14/ 03432.33ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/oq78a5q 14 )[0]: 0314Image (03image/png14). Size: 033.549Mb14.
[05:43:27] <keplr> I've got way more room than that, especially since I'm not using tube monitors
[05:43:48] <arti> but they're so convenient to move
[05:44:20] <keplr> They have properties I admire, size and weight are not among them.
[05:44:50] <arti> if you were defending your keep, you could use them to drop upon invaders from above your entryway/gate
[05:45:06] <keplr> I have a Glock 17 for that
[05:45:20] <arti> are these firefox like version numbers :P
[05:45:38] <keplr> They're up to at least 22
[05:46:03] <arti> you just need a dire wolf
[05:46:27] <keplr> I think they're fictional. I have a labrador with a slight weight problem
[05:46:36] <arti> what's his favorite food?
[05:46:54] <keplr> All of it
[05:47:05] <keplr> He tried to eat a turtle once
[05:47:16] <arti> could be good, wonder if its the duck of lizard
[05:47:34] <keplr> I don't eat meat so I'll never know
[05:47:34] <arti> reptile
[05:47:47] <arti> i enjoy it all :D
[05:48:38] <keplr> Do you care where your meat comes from?
[05:49:06] <arti> "do you even lift"
[05:49:25] <keplr> I'm a strange sort of vegetarian in that I think how an animal spends its life is more important than how it experiences the few moments of death.
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[05:49:40] <arti> indeed
[05:49:46] <crutchy_> coffee++
[05:49:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 464
[05:49:58] <keplr> Being humanely slaughtered is probably a lot better than an animal would get in the wild.
[05:50:16] <arti> i enjoy quality, i've had fish from specific rivers for example
[05:50:34] <keplr> But living in a feed lot or battery cage has negative utility, to use a term from the philosophy of ethics
[05:50:43] <arti> ethos!
[05:50:47] <arti> but but but logos!
[05:51:10] <keplr> logos?
[05:51:28] <keplr> From logic?
[05:51:34] <keplr> or plural of logo
[05:51:39] <arti> logic :D
[05:51:44] * crutchy_ is in a fancy motel that he's not paying for :-D
[05:51:45] <keplr> ah
[05:51:53] <arti> crutchy_ on the lamb again?
[05:51:55] <keplr> fancy "motel"
[05:52:15] <arti> does your wife know :P
[05:52:54] <crutchy_> Are they still called motels?
[05:53:33] <keplr> A motel is specifically oriented to motorists, usually traveling long distances
[05:53:36] <arti> hotel, motel, holiday inn?
[05:53:47] <crutchy_> dirty weekend without the dirty
[05:54:04] <arti> you're in megacity then
[05:54:23] * arti does the secret handshake with crutchy_ for authentication
[05:54:33] <crutchy_> I think its called mantra
[05:54:54] <arti> is that like the blue steel from zoolander?
[05:56:00] * Konomi wonders who she could strangle for the audio from hopex
[05:56:08] <crutchy_> my dads got a decent room too. his comes with free pain and suffering :-p
[05:56:17] <arti> oh yes, that's right
[05:56:18] <keplr> The best kind.
[05:56:38] <arti> does he have a little button thing to manage that?
[05:57:50] <crutchy_> his room service comes with 3 hot nurses
[05:59:30] <keplr> I didn't even get that for my appendectomy
[06:03:39] <keplr> Anyone see the video of Linus's new desk?
[06:07:04] <crutchy_> ooh is is one of those "these are my headphones that I dont use much. this is my jarjarbinx doll that I got when I dressed up as spock at comicon 3 years ago" sort of videos?
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[06:20:40] <keplr> He uses a walking desk
[06:21:01] <keplr> Treadmill in front of his desk. He walks while working
[06:21:42] <keplr> His old desk, the desk I recently bought, is covered in old equipment he won't get rid
[06:24:29] <keplr> He's kept every HDD he's ever had
[06:24:40] <Popeidol> I respect a man who can't bring himself to throw away old electronics
[06:24:54] <keplr> He's also got a 3D printer
[06:24:59] <Popeidol> (mostly because it makes me feel less bad about my habits)
[06:26:07] <keplr> I have an old Sun server still being used. I couldn't justify anything older. Some people hanging on to Amigas or IBM computers disturb me
[06:26:48] <Popeidol> I have a wardrobe next to this desk that has one door open
[06:28:06] <Popeidol> peeking out of it I can see: a 286 scavenged from telstra, an old portable tv, an ironport server, a stack of old 5.25 inch floppy drives, a mac classic, a 386 laptop, about 7 monitors, and a stack of keyboards
[06:28:39] <Popeidol> the half I cant see is just as bad
[06:33:27] <Popeidol> basically I have a terrible problem and will eventually end up on tv when the towers of refuse surrounding me eventually collapse and cut me off from civilisation
[06:34:36] <crutchy_> I think its called 'american pickers'
[06:35:40] <Popeidol> I don't have enough old circus posters to attract those guys
[06:36:01] <crutchy_> or toy cars
[06:36:05] <arti> it's a curiously fascinating show
[06:36:21] * arti has seen it a few times
[06:37:32] <crutchy_> the william shatner one was interesting, except shatner seemed like a toolbag
[06:40:14] <Popeidol> he's a dickhead, but he's a loveable dickhead
[06:41:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Fossilised Footprints Suggest Tyrannosaurus Hunted in Packs - http://sylnt.us - hey-mom-what's-for-dinner?
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[06:52:58] <chromas> Bender: s/yra/yro/
[06:52:58] <SedBot2> <chromas> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Fossilised Footprints Suggest Tyronnosaurus Hunted in Packs - http://sylnt.us - hey-mom-what's-for-dinner?
[06:53:27] <chromas> actually
[06:53:39] <chromas> Bender: s/yrann/yrone-/
[06:53:39] <SedBot2> <chromas> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Fossilised Footprints Suggest Tyrone-osaurus Hunted in Packs - http://sylnt.us - hey-mom-what's-for-dinner?
[06:56:47] <Popeidol> https://www.youtube.com
[06:56:48] <monopoly> ^ 03Mudskippers screaming in each other's faces - YouTube
[06:59:04] <crutchy_> t-rex has done a rally driving course, aint ya t-rex?
[06:59:25] <crutchy_> roar-se I ave
[07:04:10] <crutchy_> ~queue
[07:04:12] <exec> *** SN submission queue: 16
[07:05:08] <crutchy_> anyone know any decent places to eat in st kilda?
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[07:07:35] <arti> crutchy_ forget your snakes?
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[07:59:33] <ar> speaking of t-rex: http://stopmasturbationnow.org
[07:59:33] <ciri> 14Title(03"UTF-8 14/ 03224.19ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/q5jubey 14 )[0]: 03Faithfact #448 T-Rexs Short Arms | Stop Masturbation Now
[08:08:38] <chromas> Lol. Those arms
[08:09:23] <chromas> They didn't just have human-like arms, they were totally ripped
[08:21:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Colossal Dinosaur Poop About to Go on the Auction Block - http://sylnt.us - just-a-passing-interest
[08:24:07] <chromas> Elephants, ssl and dinosaurs. I sense a theme
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[08:44:05] <crutchy_> coffee++
[08:44:05] <Bender> karma - coffee: 465
[08:44:17] <arti> coffee++
[08:44:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 466
[08:45:02] <crutchy_> thinking about having stuffed spud for dinner
[08:45:11] <arti> does it have cheese?
[08:45:22] <crutchy_> hope so
[08:45:41] <arti> neat, idk could have like bbq pork in it for all i know
[08:46:21] <crutchy_> at the horsepiddle atm
[08:46:46] <crutchy_> ~time Melbourne
[08:46:48] <exec> [Google] 6:46pm Saturday (EST) - Time in Melbourne VIC, Australia
[08:47:10] * arti learns a new word for hospital
[08:48:48] <crutchy_> ~define horsepiddle
[08:48:55] <exec> horsepiddle: unable to find definition
[08:50:06] <chromas> How was the road?
[08:52:04] * arti anticipates it being firm and dark
[08:53:04] <crutchy_> bit busier than I like
[08:53:20] <arti> this last week has been shite for traffic
[08:53:29] * crutchy_ is a country bumkin
[08:54:19] <crutchy_> im used to roundabout traffic, but 10 lane freeways are just weird
[08:56:11] <crutchy_> and a bit unnerving
[08:56:22] <arti> just do some more simulations in the matrix
[09:03:06] <crutchy_> stimulations of the dominatrix?
[09:04:55] <crutchy_> so whats new arti?
[09:05:18] <arti> was eaten many times by something after my jog
[09:05:29] * arti is sporting 6 bites, 3 on each leg
[09:05:40] <arti> ocd flying fucker most likely
[09:05:40] <crutchy_> that sucks
[09:05:59] * arti is now coated with tea tree oil
[09:06:05] <arti> your move winged thing
[09:06:20] <crutchy_> had to make sure both legs were equally bitten
[09:06:30] <arti> it appears that way
[09:09:12] <crutchy_> bug 6, arti 0
[09:09:36] <chromas> Symmetry++
[09:09:36] <Bender> karma - symmetry: 1
[09:09:37] <arti> i was responding to phantom bug sensations on the legs too
[09:11:23] <crutchy_> you needed a better debugger
[09:11:34] <arti> but i've got ollydbg
[09:13:05] <crutchy_> var_dump++
[09:13:05] <Bender> karma - var_dump: 1
[09:13:37] <crutchy_> poor man's debugger
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[09:13:54] <arti> heh
[09:14:49] * crutchy_ is getting a bit better on this phone
[09:16:07] <crutchy_> irc doesnt use up much data
[09:16:40] <chromas> We can fix that. Flood flood flood
[09:17:03] <arti> flood flood
[09:17:09] <arti> http://leonardorame.blogspot.com
[09:17:10] <ciri> 14Title(03ISO-8859-1 14/ 03134.33ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/ohly9hh 14 )[0]: 03Leonardo's blog: Web 2.0 programming with Object Pascal (Part 1)
[09:17:29] <chromas> Pascal++
[09:17:29] <Bender> karma - pascal: 11
[09:17:37] <crutchy_> web2? thats soo yesterday
[09:17:46] <chromas> Delphi++ as well
[09:17:46] <Bender> karma - delphi: 12
[09:18:04] <crutchy_> arent we up to web vista by now?
[09:19:31] <arti> think so, yay for compositing
[09:19:56] <crutchy_> composting++
[09:19:56] <Bender> karma - composting: 1
[09:20:53] <crutchy_> ~define bogan
[09:20:55] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3bogan: A fascinating beast. The majority of the species are hideously repugnant and unintelligent, and yet they manage to breed in ever-increasing numbers and populate an area known as the outer west. It is ...
[09:20:56] <arti> You mean you don’t pocket-mulch?
[09:21:33] <chromas> :( can't scroll sideways on that page
[09:22:39] <chromas> Modern websites think it's cool to convert side swiping to previous/next actions
[09:23:35] <crutchy_> ~time chicago
[09:23:36] <exec> [Google] 4:23am Saturday (CDT) - Time in Chicago, IL, USA
[09:28:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> fourthirtyam--
[09:28:55] <Bender> karma - fourthirtyam: -1
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[09:42:58] <crutchy_> microsoft thinks its cool to convert up/down scrolling to left/right
[09:43:13] <arti> times are changing
[09:47:16] * TheMightyBuzzard eyes the first draft of the store and covets the mugs
[09:47:30] <arti> glad to hear they turned out well
[09:48:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd show ya but it's still top secret. or at least not some schmuck dev's place to be sharing around.
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[09:50:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Wikipedia blocks page edits from US Congress - http://sylnt.us - wanton-wiki-warpage-warrants-weekplus-wait
[09:50:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty good selection of mugs though. little to big, travel, even a frosted glass one
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[10:02:46] <ar> coffee--
[10:02:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 465
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[11:57:36] <Alberto> Hello all
[11:57:37] <Alberto> :)
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[12:58:27] <crutchy_> coffee++
[12:58:27] <Bender> karma - coffee: 466
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[13:03:46] <chromas> There's a rooster wandering the area. Must be time to call animal control: "Hi, someone's let their cock loose on the neighborhood"
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[13:13:08] <Bender> karma - coffee: 467
[13:29:00] <crutchy_> coffee++
[13:29:00] <Bender> karma - coffee: 468
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[17:18:27] <Popeidol> is there actually a festival of nerds or is it just a nickname?
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[17:21:37] <rand> There's two Nerd Fests in Florida; don't know if there are others.
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[17:31:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Chubby Checker, HP Settle a Lawsuit Over a Penis Measuring App - http://sylnt.us - still-twisting
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[18:19:32] <chromas> From the testicular-torsion-reform dept
[18:21:17] <arti> :X
[18:21:37] <arti> testicus twistius!
[18:21:54] <arti> You are now aware of nausiating pain.
[18:26:38] <chromas> oh noesticus!
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[18:30:02] <chromas> Timing out is a feature, not a bug :D
[18:34:08] <chromas> This article would probably be perfect for the humor foot icon
[18:34:33] <arti> humor foot.
[18:34:46] <arti> "there is something strange afoot"
[18:35:05] <chromas> Plus we could the calculate the size of slash's regex
[18:36:56] * chromas wishes he had a Palm unit
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[19:30:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Final Warning: Ubuntu One End of Life July 31, 2014 - http://sylnt.us - only-the-good-die-young
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[21:01:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Faces Class Action Suit on behalf of 100 Million Users - http://sylnt.us - trial-of-breadcrumbs
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[21:54:39] <crutchy_> coffee++
[21:54:39] <Bender> karma - coffee: 469
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[23:28:48] <Ethanol-fueled> Man, iz quiet here today.
[23:29:16] <Ethanol-fueled> Must be nice to have lives, haha.
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[23:51:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Russians Lose Control of Gecko Sex Space Capsule—Really - http://sylnt.us - Satellite-of-Love
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