#Soylent | Logs for 2014-07-23
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[00:01:20] <paulej72> mrcoolbp:
[00:01:32] <mrcoolbp> ...
[00:01:38] <paulej72> do you like the new version better
[00:01:48] <swiss> just realized i could desolder my laptop's connector and just use a dell power adapter
[00:02:17] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: yes the white text is nicer
[00:02:46] * mrcoolbp looks at the nightmode version
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[00:03:15] <SpallsHurgenson> not dell! <shrieks in horror>
[00:04:34] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: the night mode one has more of the older elements, I prefer the "new" one you have on the regular theme
[00:04:53] <mrcoolbp> they should at least be consistent in the layout of the elements
[00:05:58] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: force an reload on your browser or empty your cache. I updated the night mode to be identical except the news is white instead of black
[00:06:23] <mrcoolbp> k
[00:09:39] <mrcoolbp> yup, see it now
[00:10:10] <paulej72> not quite as depressing as the old one
[00:10:21] <mrcoolbp> yes, depressing factor is lower.
[00:10:23] <mrcoolbp> god, that slash icon looks horrible on night-mode
[00:10:48] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: need to fix that as well :)
[00:11:27] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: we also have all those topic icons from rand we can try at some point
[00:13:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> hey, paulej72, didn't you fix the user setting of max stories on the index a while back?
[00:17:33] * TheMightyBuzzard heads to the kitchen to tackle mt tableware
[00:30:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Forbes Considers if Cloud Computing Means Better Applications - http://sylnt.us - for-some-people-maybe
[00:30:13] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 031.001sec. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/l2nuuez 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | Forbes Considers if Cloud Computing Means Better Applications
[00:32:22] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: no I ended not fixing it. was worred about cache overload. Just set the default for everyone differntly I think
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[00:50:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, roger. I think we could probably handle the caching what with the differences in server memory since that was written.
[00:51:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, any objection to adding a var in the vars table and the code to enable/disable that setting as a solution to the issue?
[00:51:36] rand|away is now known as rand
[00:51:36] <SpallsHurgenson> there is a point in every man's life when he steps back and assesses his life, wondering - as many have wondered before - how the hell he ended up with so many screwdrivers
[00:51:38] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: new slash png
[00:52:02] <mrcoolbp> oooh, shiny
[00:52:08] <mrcoolbp> er, not shiny
[00:52:21] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: let me check in my reop. I had most of this working at one point.
[00:52:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, firefly meaning of shiny.
[00:52:37] <mrcoolbp> there ya go
[00:52:53] * mrcoolbp shout some mandarin swears
[00:53:09] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: I'm just gonna forward you these topic icons, you can probably set them up in git quicker than I
[00:53:22] <paulej72> ok
[00:54:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, no rush on that. it's way down my mental todo list. just wanted to know if that sounded a viable resolution to the issue so we could get it closed off there.
[00:58:10] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: look at my github max stories branch: https://github.com
[00:58:48] * SpallsHurgenson tries to use the Force to pull the scanner-desk closer to where he is sitting
[00:58:59] <paulej72> that is the code that needs to change to make individual max stories work. If you want a var, just wrap my code with some if statements
[00:59:38] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, indeed so on the screwdrivers - quickly followed by.... but never quite the right one for the job at hand e.g. picking up a philips when a pozidrive is called for
[00:59:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, exactly what i was thinking. enables quick shut-off if it ends up thrashing on live. we can remove the ifs and var later if it works okay.
[01:03:35] <paulej72> time to go home
[01:04:42] * TheMightyBuzzard waves
[01:04:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> headed out myself to do some meatspace socializing before i forget how.
[01:05:47] <mrcoolbp> later guys
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[01:09:49] <prospectacle> greetings!
[01:11:35] <juggs> greetings prospectacle o/
[01:11:44] <prospectacle> salutations, juggs
[01:12:19] <juggs> how does this fine day find you sir prospectacle?
[01:14:35] <prospectacle> it's fine indeed, thank you sir, sunny for once.
[01:14:45] <prospectacle> What's happening at your co-ordinates?
[01:17:47] <SpallsHurgenson> the sun might look nice, but be careful of the big blue room where it hangs out. Bad things can happen to you out there.
[01:18:14] <juggs> Twas a little warm for my own preference around noon and into the first few hours post meridian. However, at this northerly latitude it is not the done thing to grouse about elevated temperatures or absence of precipitation, we experience precious few such days each year.
[01:18:25] * SpallsHurgenson speaks from experience
[01:18:44] <prospectacle> SpallsHurgenson, I'll just enjoy it from afar, then. Thanks for the warning.
[01:19:25] <prospectacle> Juggs, you may get a bit of vitamin D at least, for your trouble.
[01:20:24] <prospectacle> Speaking of staying indoors, has anyone heard any rumours of when we can buy our coffee cups?
[01:20:33] <juggs> prospectacle, quite so. I did take a late afternoon constitutional along the river.
[01:20:49] <prospectacle> The one I'm drinking from right now has nothing printed on it at all, and I find it ruins the flavour.
[01:20:51] <juggs> mrcoolbp is the man for that question pros
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[01:21:20] <prospectacle> well he's probably got enough to do. I won't try to summon him.
[01:21:40] * mrcoolbp has ben SUMMONED!
[01:21:42] <prospectacle> juggs, walk along the river sounds nice. I wish I had a river to constitional next to
[01:21:46] <prospectacle> oh no
[01:21:47] <SpallsHurgenson> juggs: I did that yesterday. It was a perfect afternoon; not too humid, not too hot, a nice breeze, and the sun wasn't overly bright
[01:21:48] <mrcoolbp> Who dares wake me!!!!!!
[01:21:54] <prospectacle> quick hide
[01:22:10] <prospectacle> hi mrcoolbp
[01:22:10] * mrcoolbp casts "Fire and Brimstone"
[01:22:13] <SpallsHurgenson> I sat down by the river for a while, pulled out the laptop, did some work in the shade, it was great
[01:22:15] <mrcoolbp> hey buddy
[01:22:18] <SpallsHurgenson> then a goose flew overhead and shit on me
[01:22:26] * SpallsHurgenson doesn't go outside anymore
[01:22:52] * prospectacle cases the shield of feigned ignorance, with +6 deflection
[01:23:06] <juggs> I'm lucky in that I live right next to a river, great views :) Wasn't so great in January when it was threatening to flood me out though. :/
[01:23:08] <prospectacle> lol @ spalls
[01:23:11] <prospectacle> that's what you get for enjoying nature
[01:24:03] * SpallsHurgenson just got finished cleaning the laptop and mouse for the third time
[01:24:18] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: I've spent hours setting up a store today, working with the logo files
[01:24:27] <mrcoolbp> working with xlefay on a swag plan
[01:24:36] <mrcoolbp> we are probably going to use zazzle
[01:24:37] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, sounds promising
[01:24:40] <juggs> ehhh, yeah, we have a bit of an infestation of canada geese here - those things really know how to drop the droppings. Damn things don't bother buggering off for summer any more either, so they are a permanent pest.
[01:25:01] <mrcoolbp> we looked at more reviews and cafepress loses to zazzle according to teh internetz
[01:25:08] <prospectacle> interesting
[01:25:26] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: so I spent the day wrastling with zazzles website
[01:25:29] <prospectacle> mostly on price, or speed of delivery, or what?
[01:25:33] <mrcoolbp> quality
[01:25:49] <prospectacle> that's important
[01:26:08] <juggs> at these prices it is :D
[01:26:24] <juggs> mrcoolbp, got a min for a PM?
[01:26:28] <SpallsHurgenson> from now on, I'm using a fan, a sunlamp, and a nature screensaver to enjoy the outside :)
[01:26:31] <mrcoolbp> juggs: sure sir
[01:27:43] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, looks like they've got a nice range of products
[01:28:04] <mrcoolbp> yessir, but their interface is a bit odd
[01:28:19] <SpallsHurgenson> right after I clean this laptop for the fourth time
[01:35:05] <prospectacle> 8 different kinds of mugs. not bad
[01:36:21] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: We are thinking about a soft opening, would you like to be part of the test group?
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[01:36:28] <mrcoolbp> (if we do that)
[01:38:03] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, I've got some mug money burning a whole in my card
[01:38:12] <mrcoolbp> = )
[01:38:17] <prospectacle> they're quite pricey at least on the australian site. I hope a large proportion of that money goes to SN
[01:38:59] <prospectacle> but anyway count me in
[01:39:30] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: what price are you seeing?
[01:40:08] <mrcoolbp> I'm pretty sure they automagically create different portals for their various global locations
[01:40:17] <prospectacle> $21 - $32 AUD
[01:40:35] <prospectacle> It's not a crazy amount, I just hope you're getting most of it (or close to)
[01:41:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Half of All New Energy Capacity in the US This Year is Renewable - http://sylnt.us - green-surge
[01:41:06] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03769.913ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/ml6tybg 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | Half of All New Energy Capacity in the US This Year is Renewable
[01:41:07] <prospectacle> Yeah I expect you're right and they auto-price based on region
[01:41:28] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: hmm, that's discouraging, that's the base price, our price would be on top of that
[01:41:53] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: the base price I see is $15 (yes, still kinda high)
[01:42:08] <prospectacle> I see
[01:42:13] <mrcoolbp> Cafepress base price is abour $12, and they're not too bad
[01:42:24] <mrcoolbp> but it's the clothing that I know will be better from zazzle
[01:42:33] <mrcoolbp> I considered doing 2 different shops
[01:42:40] * mrcoolbp isn't sure about that anymore
[01:42:46] <prospectacle> Do you pay per account, I mean would it cost you money to have both a cafepress and a zazzle? Or do they just take it out of each product?
[01:42:56] <mrcoolbp> the latter
[01:43:21] <prospectacle> Then go nuts. Worst case is people buy less from one than the other
[01:53:47] <prospectacle> By the way, if they start generating passive revenue (ie they're all set up and making money with no more time investment), there appear to be other similar services you could try
[01:53:50] <prospectacle> http://mashable.com
[01:53:51] <ciri> 14Title(03"UTF-8 14/ 03835.848ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/kuwve8 14 )[0]: 0315 Places to Make Money Creating Your Own Products
[01:54:16] <prospectacle> You obviously want to start small, but if it works, maybe in a year there could be ten stores (assuming none of them charge up front) and people can pick what they like.
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[02:17:52] * mrcoolbp thinks NCommander took the day off
[02:18:09] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: I'm interested to see how this swag thing pans out
[02:18:17] <mrcoolbp> thanks for the link
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[02:21:52] <juggs> rand - still having connection issues?
[02:23:53] <rand> I was actually on for over an hour today, then got disconnected after 4 minutes.
[02:24:31] <SpallsHurgenson> that's because you NOTICED you managed to stay online that long
[02:24:59] <rand> I read that Konversation had some problems with DHCP, but supposedly that got fixed.
[02:28:49] <rand> Tomorrow I'm going to try Pidgin all day and see what happens.
[02:29:28] <rand> For now it's bed time *yawn* G'night all.
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[02:31:40] <mrcoolbp> I'm going to go relax, catch you guys later.
[02:40:56] <prospectacle> see you later mrcoolbp
[02:41:37] * juggs wanders around prodding things
[02:41:58] <SpallsHurgenson> ow, my spleen!
[02:42:12] * juggs blames the cat
[02:46:04] * SpallsHurgenson is slowly downloading... stuff
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[02:48:06] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[02:50:12] * TheMightyBuzzard burns some karma
[02:50:33] <prospectacle> TheMightyBuzzard++
[02:50:33] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 21
[02:50:45] <prospectacle> ha I've thwarted your plans
[02:50:47] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: is that like incense?
[02:50:59] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: or line insense?
[02:51:05] <Bytram> s/line/like/
[02:51:05] <SedBot2> <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: or like insense?
[02:51:13] <Bytram> coffee++
[02:51:13] <Bender> karma - coffee: 430
[02:51:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i like burning karma. incense makes me want to teach a hippie the secret neck shake.
[02:51:51] * Bytram notes it's too late to actually have a cup of joe if I ever want to sleep tonight, but it's the principle of the thing =)
[02:51:58] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nod nod
[02:51:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Flexible and Printable Battery That Will Revolutionize Wearables - http://sylnt.us - it-might,-or-might-not
[02:51:59] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03748.219ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/k5hppmo 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | Flexible and Printable Battery That Will Revolutionize Wearables
[02:52:34] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: btw, it looks like the bot whose name was like your nick has gone.
[02:52:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> wasn't a bot, was Alberto
[02:53:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> same here on the coffee. think ima have me a nice ginadryl to make damned sure i sleep through the night tonight even.
[02:53:29] <Bytram> oh, sometimes it's hard to tell 'em apart! :-P
[02:54:18] Alberto is now known as TheMightyBytramBrazzersBorg
[02:54:23] <TheMightyBytramBrazzersBorg> wasn't me
[02:54:25] <TheMightyBytramBrazzersBorg> o.O
[02:54:28] <Bytram> am on vacation this week and am trying to take a break; still poking in here every once in a while to pitch in, but really need some down time.
[02:55:01] * TheMightyBytramBrazzersBorg is on vacations all year
[02:55:18] <Bytram> TheMightyBytramBrazzersBorg: have you nothing better to do with your time than to make things dificult for others?
[02:55:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> $burrito TheMightyBytramBrazzersBorg
[02:55:27] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at TheMightyBytramBrazzersBorg
[02:55:30] TheMightyBytramBrazzersBorg is now known as Alberto
[02:55:34] * Alberto likes burritos
[02:55:42] <Bytram> Alberto: thank you!!!
[02:55:51] <Bytram> Alberto++
[02:55:51] <Bender> karma - alberto: -23
[02:55:57] * Alberto loves Bytram and wants him happy
[02:56:32] * Bytram appreciates the kind wishes but would prefer to just be friends
[02:56:33] prospectacle is now known as Albytram
[02:56:36] <Albytram> j/k
[02:56:39] Albytram is now known as prospectacle
[02:56:43] <Alberto> LOL
[02:56:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> Alberto, that bug earlier. apparently that happens no matter what you put in the url as long as the subid is invalid
[02:57:00] <Bytram> bunch of wise guys here tonight, I see.
[02:57:25] <Alberto> TheMightyBuzzard, but still a bug right?
[02:57:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> Alberto, yep. needs a proper error page.
[02:57:52] * Alberto smiles
[02:58:01] <Alberto> i said that before i think lolz
[02:59:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably won't make it in before the 14.08 release but it's on my list of easy to fix bugs that i plan on doing when meta-mod drives me insane.
[03:02:41] * Bytram notes that it shouldn't be long now, then. =)
[03:03:11] <Bytram> well, I just popped in to see if someone could help with a bad moderation.
[03:03:21] <Bytram> time for some shuteye.
[03:03:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh at least a few days. i'm not sure i'll even start it until after 14.08
[03:03:30] <Bytram> hmmm, a couple things first, though
[03:03:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> nite
[03:03:39] <Bytram> !uid
[03:03:39] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4569, owned by zenaan
[03:03:50] <Bytram> hmmm, I wonder who got '4567' ??
[03:03:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder who got 4567
[03:03:54] <Bytram> brb
[03:04:47] <Bytram> http://soylentnews.org"
[03:04:48] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03430.541ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/lv4cq84 14 )[0]: 03SoylentNews Friend/Foe System
[03:05:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm
[03:05:43] <Bytram> seems it was snagged by: sombragris
[03:06:11] <Bytram> does that mean anything to someone here?
[03:06:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> not i
[03:07:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds kinda like a mexican hat for grits
[03:08:11] <Bytram> hmmm, http://sombragris.org
[03:08:12] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03471.734ms.14)[0]: 03Bienvenidos - Welcome
[03:08:27] <Bytram> ==> This is the homepage of Eduardo Snchez -- Reformed theologian, philosopher, Spanish translator and LaTeX typographer.
[03:09:20] <Bytram> ddg helpfully suggests: did you mean sombra gris?
[03:10:51] <Bytram> which leads me to think it has a meaning along the lines of "shade" as in hue or tinge
[03:11:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> LaTeX typographer? EVIL!
[03:11:40] <Bytram> wikipedia notes that 'gris' means grey in French and Spanish.
[03:11:55] <Bytram> ergo sombragris ==> shades of grey
[03:12:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[03:12:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're getting an interesting portion of our members from non-english-speaking nations.
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[03:13:23] <Bytram> I'm reminded of the 'Swword of Shanara" series where a 'shade' was a kind of 'ghost' -- someone who was a shade of their former self appearing in corporeal form
[03:13:28] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nod nod
[03:13:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> like JamesNZ here.
[03:14:14] * JamesNZ peeps out from under his rock
[03:14:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know they call it english down there but it's getting close to time all of us not actually in england rename the language and go our own ways.
[03:15:27] <JamesNZ> U sayeing we dont tork propere england?
[03:15:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck knows aussie, kiwi, yank, and canuck english only vaguely resemble each other.
[03:15:43] <JamesNZ> Aussie english is the worst of course :D
[03:15:53] <SpallsHurgenson> and don't get me started on those people in England ;-)
[03:15:59] <juggs> :P
[03:16:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> SpallsHurgenson, truth
[03:16:30] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: oh you got that right!
[03:17:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'why i do my best to steal anything interesting from all the other english-speakers
[03:18:16] <Bytram> I was working on a project that had me at a customer site in Europe. Major technical problem; go livee was only a couple days away. We had 3 yanks, a cockney, an ausie, a couple brits, and a scott all discussing it at the same time.
[03:18:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha
[03:18:40] <Bytram> about all we were missing was a southern drawl and maybe a down-east twang.
[03:19:14] <Bytram> we *were* all speaking in English, but after about 10 minutes of *that*, my head was about to collapse!
[03:19:18] <JamesNZ> XD
[03:19:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> bit of oklahoma hick-speak always adds flavor to the chaos too.
[03:19:36] <Bytram> lol!
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[03:20:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> fun bit i heard sunday, "I didn't know whether to eat, shit, or go to bed"
[03:20:52] * Bytram notes we were finally able to solve the problem, thankfully.
[03:21:07] <Subsentient> I didn't know whether to summon the gerbil swarm, eat my earlobes, or replace my arm with a teapot.
[03:21:09] <Bytram> hmm, depends on how the spirit moves you, eh?
[03:21:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> longwinded for flabbergasted but it was a new one on me
[03:23:28] * Bytram wonders what the etymology on flabbergasted would be?
[03:23:29] <Bytram> brb
[03:24:08] <Bytram> from http://etymonline.com
[03:24:08] <ciri> 14Title(03iso-8859-1 14/ 03212.445ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/p5694xp 14 )[0]: 03Online Etymology Dictionary
[03:24:20] <Bytram> flabbergasted (adj.) Look up flabbergasted at Dictionary.com
[03:24:20] <Bytram> 1772, mentioned (with bored) in a magazine article as a new vogue word, perhaps from some dialect (in 1823 flabbergast was noted as a Sussex word), likely an arbitrary formation from flabby or flapper and aghast.
[03:25:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, ginadryl time or it won't kick in until i'm already asleep
[03:25:28] <Bytram> I *strongly* suggest that if you are anything of a wordsmith, to *AVOID* going to etymonline.com unless you have an hour or three to spare!
[03:25:35] <Bytram> nod nod
[03:25:42] <Bytram> which reminds me!
[03:25:46] <Bytram> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[03:25:48] <exec> Weather for Ada, Ada Municipal Airport, OK, United States at 2014-07-23 02:55:00 (UTC) ~ 0.5 hrs ago:
[03:25:49] <exec> temperature = 78.8°F (26°C) dewpoint = 77°F (25°C)
[03:25:49] <exec> barometric pressure = 1018.3 mb ~ change of -0.3 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 94%
[03:25:49] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 0°
[03:25:58] <Bytram> ugh. hot AND sticky
[03:26:10] * Bytram hopes the buzzard has A/C
[03:26:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, you need swim trunks on just to walk around outside
[03:26:48] <Bytram> lol!
[03:26:58] <Bytram> ~weather crutchy
[03:27:01] <exec> Weather for Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 2014-07-23 02:00:00 (UTC) ~ 1.5 hrs ago:
[03:27:01] <exec> temperature = 51.1°F (10.6°C) dewpoint = 46°F (7.8°C)
[03:27:01] <exec> barometric pressure = 1022.7 mb ~ change of -2 mb over past 3 hrs relative humdity = 82%
[03:27:02] <exec> wind speed = 6 mph (9.6 km/h) wind direction = 40°
[03:27:16] <Bytram> looks a bit more comfortable down under
[03:27:21] <Bytram> ~weather Boston
[03:27:24] <exec> Weather for Boston, MA US at 2014-07-23 02:53:00 (UTC) ~ 0.6 hrs ago:
[03:27:24] <exec> temperature = 78°F (25.6°C) dewpoint = 69°F (20.6°C)
[03:27:24] <exec> barometric pressure = 1016.1 mb ~ change of -0.2 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 73%
[03:27:25] <exec> wind speed = 4 mph (6.4 km/h) wind direction = 285°
[03:27:43] <Bytram> wll, that's al for me.
[03:27:49] <Bytram> g'night everyone!
[03:27:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> nite
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[03:27:57] <juggs> night
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[03:28:40] <juggs> why away if you intend to quit? :/ hmm
[03:29:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> quirks, people got em
[03:30:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Flexible and Printable Battery that Will Revolutionize Wearables - http://sylnt.us - it-might,-or-might-not
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[03:31:05] <juggs> oh yeh, we all do. vive la diffrence
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[03:31:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ... same story twice?
[03:31:43] <Bytram|away> ahhh! feel MUCH better!
[03:31:49] <Bytram|away> :/
[03:32:11] <Bytram|away> saw a story in the queue to go out that looks like a dupe...
[03:32:34] <Bytram|away> "Amazon is Paying its Employees to Quit"
[03:33:11] <juggs> Bytram|away, have you been possessed by ciri or something?
[03:33:26] <Bytram|away> nope, just channeling :)
[03:34:17] <juggs> ooh that's fine - here's a black curtain and a bell you may find useful
[03:34:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram|away, it's a dupe of something just not sure if it's one of us.
[03:34:42] <Bytram|away> nodnod
[03:35:16] <Bytram|away> I *know* I've seen it before, and am pretty sure it was here, but am having trouble searching for it... not done yet
[03:35:43] <Bytram|away> http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:44] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03621.1ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/ptj69zx 14 )[0]: 03SoylentNews | Amazon Will Pay Employees Up To $5,000 For Quitting
[03:35:58] <Bytram|away> that was posted on April 13.
[03:36:03] <Bytram|away> found it!
[03:36:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, definitely us then.
[03:37:39] * juggs is not liking tinyurl link shorteners
[03:38:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't we have our own?
[03:39:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> sylnt.us = ours, no?
[03:39:24] <Bytram|away> TheMightyBuzzard: yes, we've got one out there somewhere... I don't recall where/how to use it
[03:40:54] <juggs> I believe so. But the developer of ciri is not on staff so may not have the required access to said shortening service. I don't know if it it needs some auth or w/e.
[03:41:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, looks open to me. nobody ever gave me access if we needed it.
[03:42:19] <Bytram|away> yuppers, I remember trying it a couple times... no special invite or anything needed.
[03:42:32] <Bytram|away> just need to know the URL to get to it. :/
[03:42:48] <juggs> ~shrugs~ then I don't know.
[03:43:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, tv and bed for me. nite.
[03:43:16] <juggs> nite tmb
[03:44:07] <Bytram|away> TheMightyBuzzard: g'night! sleep well and keep cool, if you can!
[03:44:13] <Bytram|away> and that's it for me, too.
[03:44:17] <Bytram|away> this time for sure!
[03:44:29] <juggs> yah right
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[03:59:06] <arti> :D
[03:59:27] <juggs> sup arit?
[03:59:29] <juggs> lol
[03:59:32] <arti> arit is my arab half
[03:59:58] <arti> just drifting around on straight aways
[04:00:41] <juggs> I see, good for you :)
[04:02:10] <arti> how's it going in juggville?
[04:04:08] <juggs> much the same as it was yesterday, much like most suburbia - change comes slowly and is always resisted.
[04:05:27] <Alberto> Mr rti!
[04:05:42] Alberto is now known as TheMightyArtiBrazzersBorg
[04:05:44] <arti> greetings lberto
[04:05:46] <TheMightyArtiBrazzersBorg> sup arti
[04:05:48] TheMightyArtiBrazzersBorg is now known as Alberto
[04:05:51] <Alberto> how are you?
[04:05:52] <Alberto> :D
[04:06:00] <arti> if you were from Dilbert, you'd be Elberto.
[04:06:07] <Alberto> lol
[04:06:21] <Alberto> and with the years i will become an "Elderto"
[04:06:22] <Alberto> lol
[04:06:22] <arti> woke up late this morning
[04:06:56] <arti> a somewhat productive day, traffic was terrible though
[04:07:06] <arti> how about you?
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[04:14:25] * juggs just observes
[04:26:05] <keplr> Netflix use is now 40% of US bandwidth.
[04:26:16] <arti> facebook the other 60%?
[04:26:52] <keplr> Seems like that sometimes.
[04:27:11] * keplr deleted his Facebook three years ago.
[04:27:12] <arti> f5f5f5
[04:36:32] <prospectacle> netflix seems too good not to use. It's like the google of the internet
[04:40:17] <juggs> keplr, did you manage to delete your facebook presence? They seem to hold onto information like an octopus with cyanoacrylate exuding pores.
[04:41:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Venture Capitalist Pushes Six-State Calfornia to Ballot - http://sylnt.us
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[04:42:43] <keplr> I deleted as much as is possible.
[04:43:06] <keplr> And more importantly stopped adding more data.
[04:46:17] <Alberto> arti, i'm playing LOL
[04:46:26] <keplr> That six Californias thing pisses me off
[04:47:10] <keplr> It's never going to pass, and it's an obvious scam for some rich Silicon Valley VC to hack off his section of the stat from the agricultural areas.
[04:47:34] <keplr> And Hollywood, which also isn't very related to SV.
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[04:53:56] * juggs must drop
[04:54:31] <juggs> night all
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[05:36:02] <prospectacle> In related news: http://www.theonion.com
[05:36:04] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03241.089ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/l3ywe8r 14 )[0]: 03Everyone In Middle East Given Own Country In 317,000,000-State Solution | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
[05:39:34] <JamesNZ> What could possible go wrong?
[05:39:39] <JamesNZ> possibly*
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[05:45:32] <keplr> The news out of Gaza is heartbreaking
[05:46:22] <keplr> I look at a map of Israel over the decades, and then listen to their statements. It's absurd they think they're the victims.
[05:46:54] <prospectacle> The whole situation is absurd
[05:47:00] <prospectacle> As if you can peace without a world government
[05:48:03] <prospectacle> Europe's solution to peace is to have a higher-level government and within the EU it has worked. Same with U,S. same with AUS.
[05:48:44] <ar> https://www.youtube.com
[05:50:42] <prospectacle> It's absurd to think people are just going to stop fighting if no one stops them
[05:51:58] <prospectacle> I mean sometimes people will, but it's absurd to expect it
[05:52:40] <ar> kill all the ones who keep on fighting
[05:52:44] <ar> problem solved
[05:53:25] <ar> (somehow i get a feeling that would mean a lot of people getting killed in the middle east and africa)
[05:53:26] <prospectacle> You can have sovereign nation states with no world government, or you can have peace. So far we've chosen the former.
[05:53:39] <prospectacle> Maybe we always will
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[05:55:53] <prospectacle> ar, that would work too, in the sense that humans would be extinct instead of at war
[06:00:18] <arti> world government = peace?
[06:00:47] <prospectacle> arti, not necessarily, but no-world-govt = no-peace
[06:00:54] <prospectacle> iow it's necessary but not sufficient
[06:01:58] <arti> good evening btw
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[06:03:42] <prospectacle> hi arit, hope you are well this fine day
[06:03:53] <prospectacle> is it wednesday there, or tuesday still?
[06:04:04] <prospectacle> s/arit/arti
[06:04:05] * SedBot2 tosses a / to praspyctacle
[06:04:05] <arti> 56 minutes left
[06:04:07] <ar> How many Bavarian Illuminati does it take to screw in a lightbulb? - Three: one to screw it in, and one to confuse the issue.
[06:04:14] <ar> ^ server fortune for today
[06:04:22] <arti> heh
[06:04:25] <prospectacle> lol
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[06:05:22] <prospectacle> arti, it's like a village. Most people want to get along, but if there's a few people who have a long-term feud, or are simply violent people, and no one steps it to stop them fighting, they won't stop.
[06:05:26] <prospectacle> Hence the need for cops
[06:05:38] <prospectacle> IT's the same with towns as with neighbours, same with states as with towns, same with nations as with states
[06:06:06] <arti> that level of consolidation of power boggles my mind
[06:07:01] <prospectacle> seems inevitable really, new unions and federations are constnatly appearing. U.N. keeps getting stronger. Just a question of which union will be "The" union, and when
[06:07:53] <prospectacle> My guess is it won't be the U.N. It will be some organisation for the co-operation of democratic nations, which doens't exist yet.
[06:07:56] <prospectacle> But that's optimistic
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[07:45:53] <Alberto> s/arti/arit
[07:45:53] * SedBot2 hurls a / at Albyrto!
[07:46:04] <arti> :)
[07:46:13] <Alberto> s/arti/arit/s
[07:46:20] <Alberto> s/arti/arit
[07:46:20] * SedBot2 tosses a / to Alburto
[07:46:26] <Alberto> what i'm doing wrong
[07:46:33] * Alberto has no idea of what regex are
[07:46:33] <Alberto> :D
[07:46:36] <arti> s/doing/faggot/
[07:46:50] <Alberto> s/wtf/poop/
[07:46:55] <arti> example:
[07:46:58] <Alberto> you broke it lol
[07:46:58] <arti> blah tiggle
[07:47:05] <arti> s/tiggle/blah/
[07:47:06] <SedBot2> <arti> blah blah
[07:47:12] <Alberto> s/wtf/poop/
[07:47:17] <Alberto> ohh
[07:47:19] <Alberto> wtf
[07:47:21] <Alberto> s/wtf/poop/
[07:47:21] <SedBot2> <Alberto> poop
[07:47:25] <arti> there you go
[07:47:37] <Alberto> s/there/poop/
[07:47:44] <Alberto> didn't work
[07:47:49] <arti> because there wasn't present
[07:47:54] <arti> it uses your last line
[07:47:58] <arti> i think g is the other one
[07:47:59] <Alberto> mine only
[07:48:00] <Alberto> ok
[07:48:06] <Alberto> s/ok/poop/
[07:48:06] <SedBot2> <Alberto> poop
[07:48:08] <arti> g/ok/nokay/
[07:48:18] <Alberto> g/ok/poop/
[07:48:21] <Alberto> ok
[07:48:22] <Alberto> g/ok/poop/
[07:48:29] <Alberto> i/ok/poop/
[07:48:32] <Alberto> SedBot2, help
[07:48:33] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[07:48:40] <arti> lol
[07:49:07] <arti> g is one
[07:49:12] <arti> l is another
[07:49:18] <Alberto> hola
[07:49:26] <Alberto> l/hola/hello/
[07:49:30] <Alberto> g/hola/hello/
[07:49:33] <Alberto> s/hola/hello/
[07:49:34] <SedBot2> <Alberto> g/hello/hello/
[07:49:44] <arti> g/hello/death/
[07:49:56] <arti> g replaces every match
[07:50:09] <Alberto> ok ok ok ok
[07:50:14] <Alberto> g/ok/hello/
[07:50:33] <chromas> arti: s/.*/👍/g
[07:50:33] <SedBot2> <chromas> <arti> 👍
[07:50:42] <arti> thanks, we're drowning here
[07:50:44] <chromas> arti: s/(.*)/👍/g
[07:50:45] <SedBot2> <chromas> <arti> 👍
[07:50:48] <chromas> Hm
[07:51:02] <arti> s/tiggles/chromas/g
[07:51:09] <chromas> s/.(*)/👍/g
[07:51:11] <arti> this game sucks :P
[07:51:21] <arti> crutchy should be here by now
[07:51:36] <Alberto> WE INVOKE YOU CRUTCHY!
[07:51:37] <chromas> s/(*)/👍/g
[07:51:53] * Alberto expects some magic stuff to happen o.O
[07:52:10] <arti> probably combing someones hair
[07:52:12] <chromas> SedBot2: get into #test, mister!
[07:52:12] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[07:55:42] <Alberto> arti
[07:55:51] <Alberto> how a person can understand coding
[07:55:57] <Alberto> without know anything of that?
[07:56:09] * Alberto is coding a bot in perl by just "doing it"
[07:56:33] <arti> there are different ways to approach a project
[07:56:51] <arti> something i've found helpful is to understand what you're attempting without the code
[07:57:13] <arti> then work on implementing those bits iteratively
[07:58:02] <arti> you could always find a project and begin by tinkering with it
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[08:02:42] <Alberto> i will code a bot
[08:02:49] <Alberto> wich give me the stats of all my servers
[08:02:49] <Alberto> :D
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[08:03:19] <arti> sounds like a good project
[08:05:01] <Alberto> want to join me? :P
[08:10:52] <arti> i'm not familiar at all with perl
[08:36:12] <Alberto> me too lol
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[08:54:54] * Konomi coughs
[08:54:59] * Konomi coughs up a lung
[09:00:52] <Alberto> o.O
[09:00:57] <Alberto> smoking? :P
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[09:04:44] <prospectacle> is it just me or do those skin-colour face-mics look worse than the more obvious ones
[09:05:08] <prospectacle> Looks like the person has a big mole on their face
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[10:08:35] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:08:35] <Bender> karma - coffee: 431
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[10:15:29] <prospectacle> fun fact, 90% of the futurama theme (Officially composed by Christopher Tyng) was written in 1967 by a guy called pierre henry http://www.youtube.com
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[10:19:11] <Alberto> interesting
[10:19:46] <crutchy> g'day prospectacle
[10:19:54] <prospectacle> hi crutchy
[10:28:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:28:03] <Bender> karma - coffee: 432
[10:28:16] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:28:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 433
[10:28:26] <crutchy> g'day TheMightyBuzzard
[10:28:51] <crutchy> ~time chicago
[10:28:52] <exec> [Google] 5:28am Wednesday (CDT) - Time in Chicago, IL, USA
[10:29:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> not yet it's not but give me time to get some of this coffee in me and it should be
[10:30:02] * crutchy is eating maccas
[10:30:41] <crutchy> mmm cold fries... yummy :-/
[10:32:48] <prospectacle> maccas fries++
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[10:45:38] <crutchy> rand is really not having much luck with his connection
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[10:46:06] <crutchy> g'day rand
[10:46:08] <crutchy> oh
[10:46:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, those were join/parts
[10:46:47] <crutchy> yeah
[10:47:13] <crutchy> o.0
[10:47:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> bungee-rand
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[10:48:20] <crutchy> i wonder what client he using
[10:48:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> web looks like
[10:49:26] * crutchy makes note to never recommend nts-online.net
[10:49:34] * TheMightyBuzzard gets his yaourt -Syu --aur on
[10:51:31] <crutchy> using arch?
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[10:51:43] <crutchy> g'day rand
[10:52:07] <rand> good morning, crutchy
[10:52:24] <crutchy> what's new?
[10:52:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, yeah. normally update on monday but i'm dragging ass this week.
[10:52:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> brb, was kernel in that update
[10:52:59] * crutchy tries in vein to push that image out of his mind
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[11:02:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hot(Tub) Wheels: Cadillac Carpool - http://sylnt.us - Big-Splash
[11:02:09] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03592.474ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/na7mcn9 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | Hot(Tub) Wheels: Cadillac Carpool
[11:02:13] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:02:13] <Bender> karma - coffee: 434
[11:04:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy++
[11:04:26] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 86
[11:04:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:04:29] <Bender> karma - coffee: 435
[11:05:10] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard++
[11:05:10] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 22
[11:05:13] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard++
[11:05:13] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 23
[11:05:19] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:05:19] <Bender> karma - coffee: 436
[11:05:22] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:05:22] <Bender> karma - coffee: 437
[11:05:36] <crutchy> !karma bacon
[11:05:36] <Bender> karma of bacon is 238
[11:05:42] <crutchy> lol poor bacon :-d
[11:05:48] <crutchy> bacon++
[11:05:48] <Bender> karma - bacon: 239
[11:08:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> bacon, while awesome, is not strictly necessary for life the way coffee is
[11:16:47] <crutchy> nod nod
[11:20:43] * TheMightyBuzzard sifts through the issues list looking for something he feels like working on
[11:30:23] <crutchy> find anything juicy?
[11:31:25] <crutchy> you could always apache2'ify slash... if you're feeling particularly masochistic
[11:32:32] <crutchy> unfortunately we might not see you for a week or two
[11:36:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, eh, not really
[11:37:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> apache2 is out until after metamod. need before shiny new toys
[11:38:17] * crutchy opens exec config to add sedbot2 to #test
[11:41:51] <crutchy> ~rehash
[11:41:52] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file
[11:41:57] <crutchy> ~sedbot-awk3
[11:42:06] <crutchy> ~sedbot-tail3
[11:42:24] <crutchy> ~sedbot-cmd /j #test
[11:42:59] <crutchy> ~ps
[11:43:00] <exec> [18625] ii -s irc.sylnt.us -p 6667 -n SedBot2 -f SedBot2
[11:43:01] <exec> [18629] tail -Fn1 ~/irc/irc.sylnt.us/out
[11:43:01] <exec> [18658] tail -Fn1 /home/jared/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#soylent/out | ./sedbot.awk outfile=/home/jared/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#soylent/in
[11:43:01] <exec> [18663] tail -Fn1 /home/jared/irc/irc.sylnt.us/##/out | ./sedbot.awk outfile=/home/jared/irc/irc.sylnt.us/##/in
[11:43:02] <exec> [18670] tail -Fn1 ~/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#soylent/out
[11:43:02] <exec> [18674] tail -Fn1 ~/irc/irc.sylnt.us/##/out
[11:43:02] <exec> [15938] tail -Fn1 /home/jared/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#test/out | ./sedbot.awk outfile=/home/jared/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#test/in
[11:43:02] <exec> [15971] tail -Fn1 ~/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#test/out
[11:43:34] <crutchy> cat o 7 tails :-d
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[11:47:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> funky
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[11:49:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Bytram
[11:49:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://dev.soylentnews.org
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[11:50:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> dynamic rss with proper http/https detection.
[11:50:49] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: g'morning!
[11:50:52] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:50:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 438
[11:50:57] <Bytram> !uid
[11:50:57] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4571, owned by Neerajkuamar
[11:51:03] <Bytram> ~wweather TheMightyBuzzard
[11:51:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++ damned right
[11:51:05] <Bender> karma - coffee: 439
[11:51:22] <Bytram> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[11:51:29] <exec> Weather for Ada, Ada Municipal Airport, OK, United States at 2014-07-23 11:15:00 (UTC) ~ 0.6 hrs ago:
[11:51:29] <exec> temperature = 71.6°F (22°C) dewpoint = 71.6°F (22°C)
[11:51:29] <exec> barometric pressure = 1019.6 mb ~ change of 0 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 100%
[11:51:30] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 0°
[11:51:47] <Bytram> not as warm but still sticky. ugh.
[11:51:53] <Bytram> ~weather Boston
[11:51:57] <exec> Weather for Boston, MA US at 2014-07-23 11:24:00 (UTC) ~ 0.5 hrs ago:
[11:51:57] <exec> temperature = 73°F (22.8°C) dewpoint = 66.8°F (19.3°C)
[11:51:57] <exec> barometric pressure = 1013.7 mb ~ change of 0.2 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 80%
[11:51:58] <exec> wind speed = 4 mph (6.4 km/h) wind direction = 306°
[11:52:17] <crutchy> $time_descriptor Bytram
[11:52:28] <Bytram> hrmmm?
[11:52:44] <Bytram> $time_descriptor crutchy
[11:52:46] <crutchy> g'day :-)
[11:52:52] <Bytram> same to you!
[11:52:57] <Bytram> ~weather crutchy
[11:53:01] <exec> Weather for Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 2014-07-23 11:00:00 (UTC) ~ 0.9 hrs ago:
[11:53:01] <exec> temperature = 40.3°F (4.6°C) dewpoint = 40.1°F (4.5°C)
[11:53:02] <exec> barometric pressure = 1020.9 mb ~ change of 0.6 mb over past 3 hrs relative humdity = 99%
[11:53:02] <exec> wind speed = 2 mph (3.2 km/h) wind direction = 70°
[11:53:21] <Bytram> none to warm in your neck of the woods.
[11:53:27] <crutchy> not a good day today
[11:53:38] * Bytram wishes there was a way to get a weather *forecast*, too.
[11:53:40] <crutchy> how you been?
[11:53:51] <crutchy> ~forecast crutchy
[11:53:56] <crutchy> <exec> crappy
[11:54:01] <crutchy> :-d
[11:54:12] <Bytram> trying to catch up on some stuff around the place; on vacation this week and don't want to spend *all* of it here.
[11:54:23] <crutchy> nod nod
[11:54:37] <Bytram> crutchy: things ain't lookin' to good for you there! :-P
[11:54:46] <crutchy> need to find a shady tree and a good book?
[11:55:28] <Bytram> sounds nice, but what I really need is some motivation to go through a pile of papers and put 'm where they belong.
[11:55:43] <Bytram> hoping to make it to the beach at least once, too.
[11:56:27] <Bytram> but, there's some UTF-8 testing to do, I've got some bugs to report, and well, you know, there's always sumthin!
[11:56:43] <crutchy> don't want bugs on vacation
[11:56:49] <Bytram> crutchy: btw, any follow-up questions on regexp's??
[11:57:00] * Bytram had a LOT of fun with that one!
[11:57:11] <crutchy> not for now thanks. i got sedbot entirely working under exec
[11:57:39] <Bytram> !woop
[11:57:39] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[11:57:46] <Bytram> crutchy++
[11:57:46] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 87
[11:58:01] <Bytram> s/++/--/
[11:58:01] <SedBot2> <Bytram> crutchy--
[11:58:09] <Bytram> neat!
[11:58:11] <crutchy> check this out:
[11:58:12] <crutchy> ~ps
[11:58:14] <exec> [18625] ii -s irc.sylnt.us -p 6667 -n SedBot2 -f SedBot2
[11:58:14] <exec> [18629] tail -Fn1 ~/irc/irc.sylnt.us/out
[11:58:14] <exec> [18658] tail -Fn1 /home/jared/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#soylent/out | ./sedbot.awk outfile=/home/jared/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#soylent/in
[11:58:14] <exec> [18663] tail -Fn1 /home/jared/irc/irc.sylnt.us/##/out | ./sedbot.awk outfile=/home/jared/irc/irc.sylnt.us/##/in
[11:58:15] <exec> [18670] tail -Fn1 ~/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#soylent/out
[11:58:15] <exec> [18674] tail -Fn1 ~/irc/irc.sylnt.us/##/out
[11:58:15] <exec> [15938] tail -Fn1 /home/jared/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#test/out | ./sedbot.awk outfile=/home/jared/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#test/in
[11:58:16] <exec> [15971] tail -Fn1 ~/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#test/out
[11:58:24] <crutchy> that's my party trick :-d
[11:58:35] * crutchy has no life
[11:58:40] <Bytram> crutchy: very interesting! what system is it querying?
[11:59:04] <crutchy> they're just child processes started by exec
[11:59:14] <crutchy> can kill any of them with ~kill
[11:59:25] <Bytram> nod nod, but where? On *your* server?
[11:59:30] <crutchy> yup
[11:59:34] <Bytram> got it.
[11:59:53] <Bytram> how'd the upgrade go? any side-effects?
[12:00:00] <crutchy> sedbot starts up with exec too now
[12:00:00] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[12:00:08] <crutchy> none so far
[12:00:26] <crutchy> debian is pretty rock steady though. didn't expect too much troubles
[12:01:29] * Bytram notes that sedbot actually has 54 lines
[12:01:54] <crutchy> the one that's running has 53
[12:01:59] <crutchy> i deleted one line :-d
[12:02:01] <Bytram> I've not used debian before, but that's what I've heard, too.
[12:02:34] * Bytram would love to have a phone/table that ran debian
[12:02:38] <crutchy> this is the sedbot that's running atm: https://github.com
[12:02:42] <Bytram> s/table/tablet/
[12:02:42] <SedBot2> <Bytram> would love to have a phone/tablet that ran debian
[12:03:01] <crutchy> its good for servers. not quite as shiny as ubuntu
[12:03:25] * Bytram does not need/want shiny
[12:03:40] * crutchy doesn't do shiny either
[12:03:55] <Bytram> I started out with computers before there *were* shinies!
[12:04:08] <Bytram> tab-completion of a command was bleeding-edge!
[12:04:13] <Bytram> vax++
[12:04:14] <Bender> karma - vax: 1
[12:04:26] <Bytram> TOPS-10++
[12:04:27] * crutchy still doesn't use tab completion
[12:05:08] <Bytram> editing a command was basically: eject punch card and try again
[12:05:12] <crutchy> i tried auto-indent in gedit but disabled it cos i don't like empty lines with indents
[12:05:17] <crutchy> lol
[12:05:42] * crutchy is glad he was born after punch cards
[12:05:54] <Bytram> 110-baud acoustically-coupled dialup access using a teletype FTW!
[12:06:11] <crutchy> rs232++
[12:06:11] <Bender> karma - rs232: 1
[12:06:15] <Bytram> offline storage was *easy*! paper tape
[12:06:20] <crutchy> lol
[12:06:34] <crutchy> i remember cassettes for the c64
[12:06:44] <Bytram> 7-bit ASCII, no parity!
[12:06:46] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:06:49] <crutchy> i think that's the oldest storage medium i've used though
[12:06:57] <Bytram> hmmm,
[12:07:04] <Bytram> load "foo",8,1
[12:07:15] <Bytram> istr that loaded a program from floppy?
[12:07:18] <crutchy> press play on tape
[12:07:20] <crutchy> :-D
[12:07:24] <Bytram> or do I have my OSs confused?
[12:07:38] <crutchy> nah that looked c64'ish from vague memory
[12:08:08] <Bytram> floppy storage was *great*! Fast and HUGE!
[12:08:13] <crutchy> not sure about tape/floppy diff
[12:08:20] <crutchy> lol
[12:08:25] <crutchy> brb
[12:08:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> tape you could save a program over your dad's creedence clearwater revival if you put a spitwad in the hole on top.
[12:09:00] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: LOL!
[12:09:14] <Bytram> prolly made it sound better, too!
[12:09:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> at the time, maybe. nowadays i like CCR too and would put the boot to younger me.
[12:10:03] <Bytram> crutchy: so, I'm curious and don't feel like doing a diff... which line did you delete?
[12:13:46] <Bytram> .op
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[12:13:48] <monopoly> Hi, Bytram
[12:13:53] <Bytram> .deop
[12:13:53] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o Bytram] by juggler
[12:13:56] <Bytram> http://phys.org
[12:13:57] <monopoly> ^ 03Exotic state of matter propels quantum computing theory ( http://phys.org )
[12:13:59] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03539.16ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/qb9uw7n 14 )[1]: 03Exotic state of matter propels quantum computing theory
[12:14:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> .voice
[12:14:27] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v TheMightyBuzzard] by juggler
[12:14:45] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:14:49] <Bytram> It's about time!
[12:14:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> fear my double verboseness!
[12:14:55] <Bytram> lol
[12:15:13] <Bytram> sry; I shoulda noticed it earlier; would have done it myself!
[12:15:32] <Bytram> good to see ya get promoted!
[12:15:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was already voiced. i just wanted to be more voiced
[12:15:51] <Bytram> voiced++
[12:15:51] <Bender> karma - voiced: 1
[12:15:58] <Bytram> hmmm
[12:16:10] <Bytram> ( TheMightyBuzzard voice )++
[12:16:10] <Bender> karma - ( themightybuzzard voice ): 1
[12:16:15] <Bytram> LOL!
[12:16:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> no idea what else i can do. much like The Greatest American Hero, no instruction book.
[12:16:37] <Bytram> lol
[12:16:50] * TheMightyBuzzard gets his obscure 80s show reference on
[12:17:15] <Bytram> Almost Anything Goes!
[12:17:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[12:17:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> .op
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[12:17:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> .kick TheMightyBuzzard
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[12:18:14] <Bytram> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:18:20] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: wb!
[12:18:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> gracias. little journey of self abuse is good for the sense of humor.
[12:20:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> i prolly shouldn't have op powers in #Soylent though. am not an admin or irc guy or board guy, just a dev.
[12:20:05] <crutchy> why? because you could :-D
[12:21:44] * TheMightyBuzzard debates
[12:29:43] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I see no reason that you should *not* have op powers available to you.
[12:31:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> power corrupts, no other reasons especially.
[12:31:36] <crutchy> you might start using explosives when you go fishing
[12:32:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> done that before. takes the fun out of it if the fish all just float stunned to the surface.
[12:32:55] <Bytram> And the same temptations afflict us all. should there be any abuse, it'll be dealt with then. Can't make things entirely foolproof -- fools are so ingenious!
[12:35:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[12:36:20] * Bytram wishes I could take credit for the last part of that but read it somewhere else a *long* time ago
[12:39:41] <Bytram> crutchy: so, looking at the two versions of sedbot, it looks like you removed the *definition* of outfile, but you still have two places in the code that refer to it. :/
[12:41:12] * Bytram is not sure where the stuff ends up going in that case.
[12:41:19] * TheMightyBuzzard is looking for where we store the show only selected authors preference
[12:41:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Most Folks Decline UK ISP's Network Filters - http://sylnt.us - people-don't-want-to-be-censored
[12:41:26] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03573.286ms. 14/ 12http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/07/22/217249&from=rss 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | Most Folks Decline UK ISP's Network Filters
[12:42:19] <Bytram> ~ps
[12:42:53] <crutchy> Bytram: outfile is defined in the command line
[12:43:07] <crutchy> ~ps
[12:43:08] <exec> [18625] ii -s irc.sylnt.us -p 6667 -n SedBot2 -f SedBot2
[12:43:08] <exec> [18629] tail -Fn1 ~/irc/irc.sylnt.us/out
[12:43:09] <exec> [18658] tail -Fn1 /home/jared/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#soylent/out | ./sedbot.awk outfile=/home/jared/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#soylent/in
[12:43:09] <exec> [18663] tail -Fn1 /home/jared/irc/irc.sylnt.us/##/out | ./sedbot.awk outfile=/home/jared/irc/irc.sylnt.us/##/in
[12:43:09] <exec> [18670] tail -Fn1 ~/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#soylent/out
[12:43:10] <exec> [18674] tail -Fn1 ~/irc/irc.sylnt.us/##/out
[12:43:10] <exec> [15938] tail -Fn1 /home/jared/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#test/out | ./sedbot.awk outfile=/home/jared/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#test/in
[12:43:10] <exec> [15971] tail -Fn1 ~/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#test/out
[12:44:45] <Bytram> I'm not sure, but I think you need a '-v ' before setting the variable...
[12:45:10] <Bytram> ./sedbot.awk -v outfile=/home/jared/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#test/in
[12:45:32] <Bytram> ^^-here
[12:45:40] * crutchy has no idea
[12:45:47] * crutchy copied it from https://github.com
[12:45:48] <monopoly> ^ 03sedbot/README.md at master · FoobarBazbot/sedbot · GitHub
[12:45:56] <crutchy> refer usage
[12:46:04] <crutchy> seems to work though
[12:46:18] <Bytram> then again, I may be mistaken... that's the formatting for args to 'gawk', not necesssarily to the program.
[12:46:19] <Bytram> hmmm
[12:46:24] <crutchy> the file with the missing line is what is running atm
[12:46:30] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:46:38] * Bytram scurries off to look at the docs
[12:49:08] <Bytram> yep, looks like you are invoking it as documented, but I'm not sure how it gets the value from the args
[12:50:16] * Bytram does not have a debian/linux environment to play with
[12:50:44] <Bytram> I suspect it is taking advantage of some shell capabilities to instantiate the value for use by the script
[12:50:46] <crutchy> yeah i dunno. it's different to what i'm used to with php which just uses $argv
[12:50:49] <Bytram> iow, nvm
[12:50:51] <Bytram> ==)
[12:51:58] <crutchy> exec doesn't care though. it just executes :-D
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[12:57:13] * Bytram notes programmers have a somewhat violent language: mount, execute, kill...
[12:57:56] <Bytram> afk
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[12:58:31] <crutchy> i'm a mountain man, cos i like mountain women
[13:00:55] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: all staff have op privs in #Soylent
[13:01:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[13:01:11] <paulej72> better to manage the trouble makers
[13:03:20] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders the story_never_author issue
[13:04:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can write a better script than just emptying everyone's story_never_author field that could be run after adding a new author. not sure that's a good solution though.
[13:05:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ima think on it a bit while i coffee
[13:06:03] <Bytram> back
[13:06:14] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: not sure what that flag(?) means/does?
[13:08:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> excludes authors from index page on a per-user basis
[13:08:48] <Bytram> index page of authors?
[13:08:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> of the site
[13:09:05] <Bytram> you mean from here? http://soylentnews.org
[13:09:06] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03319.248ms.14)[0]: 03SoylentNews: Authors
[13:09:06] <monopoly> ^ 03SoylentNews: Authors
[13:09:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> lets you exclude stories by n1 or whoever
[13:09:21] <Bytram> oh, from the user's preferences page?
[13:09:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[13:09:44] <Bytram> hmm, ok. what's the issue?
[13:10:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think i might be able to fix the bug in the logic that sets the preference, which would by far be the best solution.
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[13:11:33] <TK> mornin' (ladies and) gents
[13:11:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin
[13:11:50] <Bytram> TK: mornin!
[13:12:14] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: so it's not properly handling the user's prefs?
[13:12:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's a race condition when adding new authors
[13:14:24] <Bytram> interesting! race condition when the *user* updates the list to add/remove an author from their list? Or when a new author *appears* for selection?
[13:14:48] <Bytram> btw I have mod points; if anyone has seen a bad mod, pls let me know
[13:15:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, when the two collide
[13:15:39] * Bytram is reminded of "When Worlds Collide"
[13:15:47] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nod nod
[13:15:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> user opens preferences page, new author is added, user saves preferences.
[13:16:29] <Bytram> I'm following you so far... then what happens?
[13:16:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> the new author winds up in story_never_author for that user.
[13:17:31] <Bytram> oh, the default is that the newly-added user becomes, umm, invisible, to the user?
[13:18:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> it shouldn't be but the author didn't exist when the list was populated by the user, so couldn't have a check mark.
[13:19:00] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:19:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> at least that's how i read the bug report
[13:19:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's not what it looks like the logic does though
[13:19:46] <Bytram> so, when the time comes to save the user's prefs, if the current list of authors does not match the list of authors you recorded when they entered the page, kick up a message or something?
[13:20:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, just change it to default allow rather than default deny
[13:21:37] <Bytram> yuppers
[13:22:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> depending on if that's possible as the vars stand
[13:22:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> working out the logic in my head now
[13:22:59] <Bytram> good luck!
[13:24:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i have it
[13:24:48] <Bytram> great!
[13:25:21] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: while you are at it, might want to add code to check for the reverse situation? i.e., an author is removed from the list of authors?
[13:26:06] <Bytram> I'm thinking that in a few years, there may be authors who haven't submitted in a long while who would be removed from the list?
[13:26:36] * Bytram does not know if that has happened already or not?
[13:26:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, that would only be necessary if you wanted to hide their previous story.
[13:26:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/story/stories/
[13:26:55] <SedBot2> <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, that would only be necessary if you wanted to hide their previous stories.
[13:27:55] <Bytram> hmm, so it's a corner case of not being able to deselect viewing an author who hasn't posted anything in a while anyway...
[13:28:35] <Bytram> but, if I bring up the list of authors to choose from, and one is then removed from the list, and then I go to save my changes, there'd be no issue?
[13:29:01] <Bytram> iow, I'm trying to set a value on something that is no longer there.
[13:29:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> have no idea. couldn't understand what you just said. brain is parsing in perl rather than english right now.
[13:29:52] <paulej72> I think that there is an issue if we set an author flag on a user, slash does not count them as an author until they edit somthing
[13:30:15] <Bytram> do your thing with what you've got and I'll remind you when you're ready.
[13:30:28] <Bytram> paulej72: nod nod
[13:31:30] <Bytram> paulej72: I may be confusing this with something else? The author's first story comes up as having the author of someone else? Or no author at all? can't remember.
[13:32:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, sec.. check my logic on this?
[13:32:37] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: the code should pass a hidden var that is a list of the authors ids in that table. when writing the prefs, enumerate over the list sent rather than the one generated from the data base
[13:33:03] <Bytram> paulej72: perfect!
[13:33:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was thinking just treat undef and zero differently
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[13:34:54] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: not sure if that is easily done with how vars are passed in forms never looked into if empty vars from forms are passed as such or just not sent
[13:35:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://github.com line 2947
[13:35:05] <monopoly> ^ 03slashcode/themes/default/htdocs/users.pl at master · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
[13:36:03] <xlefay> TheMightyBuzzard: lil tip, you can click on the line number & the link will change to reflect that, you can even select an entire block by clicking the initial number & then shift+click the line you want to stop :)
[13:36:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> if we if((defined$form->{$key}) && ($form->{$key} eq '0')) instead, should fix the issue, no?
[13:36:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> xlefay, handy. thanks.
[13:36:34] <paulej72> : http://www.princeton.edu
[13:36:35] <ciri> 14Title(03ISO-8859-1 14/ 03461.354ms.14)[0]: 03Princeton University - Home
[13:36:35] <monopoly> ^ 03Princeton University - Home
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[13:36:47] <paulej72> monopoly is back
[13:37:17] <Bytram> yeah... saw him in another channel and invited him over here.
[13:37:25] <Bytram> monopoly++
[13:37:25] <Bender> karma - monopoly: 6
[13:39:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> that way checking $form{key} and getting undef because the author was not in the list does not qualify for the if block.
[13:39:38] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: the problem is that we are using checkboxes which are either checked or unchecked.
[13:39:53] * Bytram prefers polka-dots
[13:40:02] <paulej72> not sure if an unchecked box get sent a part of the form vars
[13:40:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> can find out real quick
[13:41:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, it doesn't.
[13:42:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[13:43:02] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: so, you only see the *checked* boxes?
[13:43:06] <paulej72> and you need to figure out if the var is there and set to unchecked or just missing. !$form->{$key} is true for both of thoes conditions, but it should check for exsitance
[13:43:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[13:43:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, that's what the line earlier would have done but it appears undef and unchecked are the same.
[13:44:13] <paulej72> my way is the correct way then. Send a list and put it in a hidden var. enumerator over said list
[13:44:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> we could switch it to checked-means-ignore i guess.
[13:44:46] <paulej72> that would not be good.
[13:45:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> okey doke. back to the drawing board then.
[13:45:16] <paulej72> hate interfaces where positive means negitive
[13:46:05] <paulej72> unless the negitive is a good thing ( turn on do-not-track )
[13:46:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[13:46:38] <Bytram> select this if you do not want us to ignore hiding this option
[13:46:46] <Bytram> =)
[13:46:56] <paulej72> lol
[13:50:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Verizon Caught Throttling Netflix Traffic Even After it Pays for More Bandwidth - http://sylnt.us - rule-1-Don't-get-caught
[13:50:15] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03805.884ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/m5qwyz2 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | Verizon Caught Throttling Netflix Traffic Even After it Pays for More Bandwidth
[13:52:13] * TheMightyBuzzard grunbles
[13:54:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> templates stole my bike
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[13:57:38] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: so you get to learn perl template coding. a language in and of itself. somewhat like perl but not quite. Do I need a ; maybe?
[13:58:33] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: http://template-toolkit.org
[13:58:33] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03665.712ms.14)[0]: 03Template Toolkit Documentation
[13:58:34] <monopoly> ^ 03Template Toolkit Documentation
[13:58:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, such is life. there's always gotta be something to annoy you or you get to thinking you're too awesome.
[13:59:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, ya, i can actually understand em. i just don't like em.
[14:00:20] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: that is how I am with them. Then you see somthing strange and can’t figure it out. so you look at the docs for days and finally it is there in some obscure part of the docs.
[14:01:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i should read them one of these days.
[14:04:32] <paulej72> then there is three ways to do things. All template code ( big blocks between [% %] ), html with template code interdispersed for vars, and then html with perl vars. And our code switches between the three whenever it feels like it. I tried refacoring some code onec and it never worked so I had two sections of the same template file that were coded in two different styles.
[14:05:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice
[14:05:49] <Bytram> that suggests that there is something wrong with the template abstraction where there is something you need to access at that level but is not available from it?
[14:05:59] <Bytram> idk, never coded in it
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[14:13:35] <paulej72> you are susposed to do all of the logic in perl and just present with the template engine. But the template engine has coding langusage (it can do conditionals and loops and other simple stuff). This leads to logic being done in the template. Slash has a bad habbit of doing stuff in the template that should really be done in the perl scripts and the reverse.
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[14:14:26] <Bytram> paulej72: ahhhh, that 'splains it. UGH!
[14:14:50] <paulej72> so there are parts of the template that are code heavy that have the big code blocks, and other sections that are just ouput and thus just need vars put into html
[14:15:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> got the hidden happening, now the logic back in users.pl
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[14:15:42] <xlefay> I wonder if that templating language looks like django's/twig's templating system
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[14:16:56] <paulej72> xlefay: never used that so I would not know.
[14:17:03] <xlefay> I just took a peak and it seems similar, but less neat
[14:17:17] <xlefay> peek or peak?
[14:17:26] <paulej72> peek
[14:17:41] <paulej72> peak is the top of a mountain
[14:17:45] <Bytram> yeti: peak-a-boo
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[14:18:38] <Soyeti> peak-a-boo
[14:18:44] <Bytram> LOL!
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[14:18:55] <xlefay> paulej72: aah thanks. Anyway, just read what you said about logic in the templates. Essentially what you described is what twig/django's templating language, etc. Allow as well, the syntax is also remarkably similar.
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[14:19:21] <xlefay> (not sure why that's relevant, just thought it's funny)
[14:19:45] <paulej72> rand it looks like you finally made it
[14:19:59] <Bytram> might provide guidance cleaning up the code and making clear what should [not] be done and how and why
[14:20:08] <Bytram> rand: g'day!
[14:20:40] * Bytram starts a D/L of FF 24.7.0.esr
[14:20:44] <SoyGuest17288> paulej72: Finally. I was connected two hours then BAM off again.
[14:21:01] <paulej72> what client are you using again to connect. I think your issue is that it is setting your nick to rand_ and trying to connect, but nickserve does not recognixe that as a valid nick.
[14:21:07] <SoyGuest17288> Good mornin' Bytram
[14:21:08] <Bytram> you might want to try typing a little faster
[14:21:47] <SoyGuest17288> I was susing Konversation, then Pidgin, today it's HexChat. Same problems with all.
[14:22:04] <Bytram> hmmm, that reminds me... who has super-duper powers here? I've got a nick I want to reserve on IRC
[14:22:07] <paulej72> rand: you should group rand_ with your nick. /msg nickserv help group
[14:23:05] <xlefay> Bytram: define 'reserve'?
[14:23:09] <Bytram> pm
[14:23:22] <xlefay> Sure :)
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[14:29:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> damnit, i did that from master instead of a branch again.
[14:29:17] * TheMightyBuzzard headdesks
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[14:30:43] * Bytram tosses a couple asprin and a pillow to TheMightyBuzzard
[14:31:27] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: was it an up-to-date master. If so create a pull request and I’ll approve asap.
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[14:32:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, yeah, i try and keep up to date
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[14:37:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, in. https://github.com
[14:37:02] <monopoly> ^ 03Fix for the race condition paulej72 described in #136. by TheMightyBuzzard · Pull Request #252 · SoylentNews/slashc...
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[14:40:27] <paulej72> merged
[14:40:48] <Bytram> paulej72: is there a standard place on one of our servers for us to post images for github bug reports?
[14:41:05] <paulej72> gitub
[14:41:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> cheers
[14:41:33] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[14:41:33] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 24
[14:41:38] <paulej72> Attach images by dragging & dropping or selecting them. (from the comment box on gitub
[14:42:15] <Bytram> okay... does that upload the image to github? Or just make a link to the file?
[14:42:24] <Bytram> the file is local to my pc.
[14:43:01] <paulej72> that puts them on gitub.
[14:43:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, you absolutely certain we want to validate properly formed email addresses? cause here's the regex for it: http://ex-parrot.com
[14:43:06] <monopoly> ^ 03Mail::RFC822::Address
[14:43:08] <ciri> 14Title(03iso8859-1 14/ 03487.462ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/o23un 14 )[0]: 03Mail::RFC822::Address
[14:43:32] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: which issue?
[14:43:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> same one, #136
[14:44:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause i mean, holy plentiful punctuation, batman
[14:45:07] <paulej72> is there a perl module for that
[14:45:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> likely
[14:45:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's probably a perl module to control a toaster over a serial cable.
[14:45:44] <paulej72> Email::Valid
[14:46:02] <paulej72> Data::Validate::Email
[14:46:17] <paulej72> Mail::Checkuser
[14:46:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. we can pull it in if it's worth another external module dependency to you.
[14:47:10] <Bytram> "Mail::RFC822::Address is a Perl module to validate email addresses...
[14:47:29] <Bytram> link to download; http://ex-parrot.com
[14:47:29] <ciri> 14Title(03iso8859-1 14/ 03287.303ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/n6j7fzz 14 )[0]: 0314Application (03application/gzip14). Size: 035.241Kb14.
[14:47:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, didn't notice it WAS a perl module
[14:47:59] <Bytram> http://ex-parrot.com
[14:47:59] <monopoly> ^ 03Mail::RFC822::Address - Perl extension for validating email addresses according to RFC822
[14:48:02] <ciri> 14Title(03iso8859-1 14/ 03278.422ms. 14/ 12http://ex-parrot.com/~pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address/Mail-RFC822-Address.html 14 )[0]: 03Mail::RFC822::Address - Perl extension for validating email addresses according to RFC822
[14:48:12] <paulej72> When a user signs up, they have to provide a valid email to get their password. Nothing then stops them from putting in an invaild one later. would be nice if we could ping the account to
[14:49:32] <Bytram> beware that if you change the validation, there may be pre-existing *invalid* e-mail addresses
[14:51:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> we could just copy a module into our codebase if it has a compatible license
[14:51:53] <paulej72> http://search.cpan.org
[14:51:54] <monopoly> ^ 03Mail::CheckUser - search.cpan.org
[14:51:54] <ciri> 14Title(03iso8859-1 14/ 03653.18ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/2xhbh4 14 )[0]: 03Mail::CheckUser - search.cpan.org
[14:52:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds good
[14:52:51] <Bytram> the license in the documentation suggests that should not be a problem: http://ex-parrot.com
[14:52:52] <ciri> 14Title(03iso8859-1 14/ 03441.279ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/mgvhglf 14 )[0]: 03Mail::RFC822::Address - Perl extension for validating email addresses according to RFC822
[14:52:52] <monopoly> ^ 03Mail::RFC822::Address - Perl extension for validating email addresses according to RFC822
[14:53:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> checking for dependency hell
[14:54:29] * Bytram notices it is paved with good intentions :/
[14:55:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> Net::DNS would have to be grabbed too
[14:55:33] <stdhell> use good::intentions;
[14:55:36] <stdhell> use common::sense;
[14:55:55] <Bytram> ROFL!!!!!!
[14:56:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> the two have conflicting exported subs
[14:56:21] <stdhell> Bytram: Atleast one of those is a real perl module...
[14:57:38] <Bytram> I'm sure you have good intentions but I've no sense if they are common or not. =)
[14:57:50] <Bytram> okay, time's a flying by here. I gtg
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[14:58:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, i'll leave it up to you. it's a judgment call on whether it's worth the external dependencies.
[14:58:18] <Bytram|away> I hope to be back in a few hours or so.
[14:58:35] <paulej72> we already have external dependnecies. what are a few more
[14:59:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> lol, famous last words. aight.
[14:59:11] <Bytram|away> TheMightyBuzzard: wasn't this validation module intended to supercede a prior one, and this one's main 'claim-to-fame' was that it *loaded* faster, but shouldn't be an issue as we are a load-and-run-forever kind of process, right?
[14:59:35] <Bytram|away> iow we could use the module that this one supercedes.
[14:59:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram|away, i don't think we validated at all before.
[14:59:46] <Bytram|away> maybe that one has fewer dependencies...
[14:59:54] * Bytram|away just closed about a dozen tabs :/
[15:00:22] <stdhell> You already sent an email when people sign up. Why not send one more, when they want to change their email address?
[15:00:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> i like this one though. looks to be pretty comprehensive.
[15:00:44] <stdhell> Checking whether the email address "looks right" is just silly and useless.
[15:01:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> stdhell, it checks the formation, checks for valid mx records, and checks if the account exists.
[15:01:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> well tries to check if the account exists at least.
[15:01:34] <Bytram|away> what we have now, or the new stuff?
[15:01:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram|away, we have nothing now that i know of.
[15:01:48] <stdhell> TheMightyBuzzard: According to the link: "The one useful check that can be performed on an address is to check that the email address is syntactically valid. That is what this module does."
[15:01:51] <Bytram|away> see also: RFC::RFC822::Address
[15:01:57] <stdhell> _suntactically valid_
[15:02:03] <Bytram|away> that's what *this* module supercedes
[15:02:06] <stdhell> Not "it does receive emails"...
[15:02:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> stdhell, you're looking at Mail::CheckUser, yes?
[15:03:14] <stdhell> No, Mail::RFC822::Address.
[15:03:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, nod nod
[15:04:42] <stdhell> Anyway, my point is that is I want to change my email address to "foo@example.com", but mistype the address as "bar@example.com", it's not enough to check if the address looks valid. You'll have to send an email to see if it gets to the right user.
[15:04:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> think we'll go with Mail::CheckUser, though not bother with checking the account exists because that's not reported in a standardized way.
[15:05:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> right
[15:05:24] <stdhell> TheMightyBuzzard: Send email asking the user to click a link... Wait for user to click on link.
[15:05:39] <stdhell> That's a pretty standardized way.
[15:06:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> stdhell, yeah, prolly have to. might as well make sure it's a validly formatted one and that an mx record exists though.
[15:06:19] <stdhell> ... And you already do it when signing up, so you can probably reuse most of the existing code.
[15:06:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> let the error happen in the perl rather than in the mail client.
[15:06:41] <stdhell> Trying to send an email will take care of this, right?
[15:07:01] <stdhell> You're using a perl module to send the email, right?
[15:07:09] <stdhell> So it's that the same thing?
[15:07:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> are we?
[15:07:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> haven't looked.
[15:07:42] <stdhell> I thought you were... I think you should. :-)
[15:07:51] <stdhell> So fix that instead. :-)
[15:07:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> i assumed we were dumping it off to a local mailserver.
[15:08:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, local-ish anyway
[15:08:33] <paulej72> stdhell: that would require a lot of rewriting, but I was thinking the same thing. Put the new email in the a sperate field, send a confirmation email with a link that goes back to the edit apage and approves the email address and sets the new one to the current. the linke woould be a rand num generatd and stored witht the new email
[15:10:04] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: slash does it own email sending, we just forward through the mail server.
[15:10:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[15:11:56] <stdhell> I can't decide if it would be a good idea to send an email to the old address too. If someone cracks your SoylentNews password, you might not want them to change both you're email-address and your password, so you won't be able to ever log in again.
[15:12:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> now the question: do we care enough that they all have valid email addresses to make that anything but very low priority?
[15:12:11] <paulej72> would have to have the admin side of things bypass the check and set it directly.
[15:12:19] <stdhell> On the other hand, having to click on two links would be a bit annoying.
[15:13:03] <stdhell> On the third hand (?), how often do you change your email address and can you live with having to click two links when you do?
[15:13:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> stdhell, you'd also be unable to change addresses if you lost an old account like say from graduating from college.
[15:13:40] <paulej72> stdhell: what would happen if you lost access to the old email and were updating you email address on all of your accounts. that would lock you out.
[15:13:41] <Bytram|away> TheMightyBuzzard++
[15:13:42] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 25
[15:14:00] <paulej72> beat me to it TheMightyBuzzard
[15:14:05] <stdhell> In those cases, maybe you would have to contact one of the admins?
[15:14:33] <Azrael> allow change but notify old address with link to notify admin in case of abuse?
[15:14:41] <stdhell> Both options can give you a locked account.
[15:14:57] <stdhell> Azrael: That might work...
[15:15:09] <Bytram|away> Azrael++
[15:15:09] <Bender> karma - azrael: 1
[15:15:19] <stdhell> Azrael++
[15:15:19] <Bender> karma - azrael: 2
[15:15:29] <Bytram|away> coffee++
[15:15:29] <Bender> karma - coffee: 440
[15:15:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> Azrael++
[15:15:35] <Bender> karma - azrael: 3
[15:15:41] <Azrael> stdhell: downside is it rewards sloppy planning from users. if they are getting rid of old address they should damn well change all places that use it first, or suffer
[15:15:41] * Bytram|away is updating firefox... wish me luck
[15:15:47] <paulej72> 440++
[15:15:47] <Bender> karma - 440: 1
[15:16:28] <stdhell> plusses++
[15:16:28] <Bender> karma - plusses: 1
[15:17:04] <paulej72> Azrael: sometimes you get kicked out of an account before you have a chance to fix evertyting that uses it.
[15:17:05] * stdhell wishes Bytram|away luck and wonders why he's using firefox.
[15:17:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> much as i love this spirited exploration of logic, i need to phone the lawyer i avoided talking to yesterday.
[15:17:46] <paulej72> and I need to get lunch
[15:18:07] * Bytram|away does not like feeding the googles or the apples with any more info than necessary, does have pale moon that he's testing out, too.
[15:18:18] * Bytram|away likes to use Lynx on occasion, too.
[15:18:32] <stdhell> Bytram|away: Chromium?
[15:18:57] <stdhell> Mmm... Bacon...
[15:18:59] <stdhell> bacon++
[15:18:59] <Bender> karma - bacon: 240
[15:19:12] <Bytram|away> hasn't tried that one... has a creaky old laptop with dying hard disk... doesn't want to go too overboard until can get replacement
[15:19:22] <Bytram|away> good suggestion, tho!
[15:20:08] * Bytram|away notices that during this upgrade, FF failed to *ask* if I wanted it to automatically check and apply updates :/
[15:21:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - What the Internet can See from Your Cat Pictures - http://sylnt.us - all-this-is-mine
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[15:23:08] <stdhell> Bytram|away: If/when you install chromium, be careful about version 35 and 36, if you want to use non-ANSI input.
[15:23:31] <Bytram|away> stdhell: you mean like utf-8 stuff?
[15:23:36] <stdhell> It should be fixed in version 37.
[15:24:15] <stdhell> Yes. Ctrl-shift-u E 6 shift and stuff like that still works, but just pressing on the keyboard doesn't.
[15:24:35] <stdhell> At least not for me and a lot of others...
[15:25:05] * Bytram|away has no such keys on his kbd... would I be able to cut-and-paste?
[15:25:19] * Bytram|away waits and waits and waits for FF to check his addons
[15:25:29] <stdhell> Yes.
[15:25:41] <Bytram|away> nod nod
[15:27:16] <Bytram|away> http://feedproxy.google.com
[15:27:17] <monopoly> ^ 03Apple responds to complaint over diagnostic 'back doors' in iOS - CNET ( http://www.cnet.com )
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[15:32:56] <Azrael> paulej72: you're too forgiving :)
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[15:36:10] <Bytram|away> okay, i *really* gtg
[15:36:12] <Bytram|away> laters!
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[16:39:40] <mrcoolbp> $seen NCommander
[16:39:40] <aqu4> I last saw NCommander at 2014-07-22 10:19:24 UTC in #soylent. Their most recent message is "I got a serious cause of the munchies"
[16:40:11] <mrcoolbp> !grab aqu4
[16:40:12] <Bender> Added quote 212
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[17:02:26] <mrcoolbp> .op
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[17:06:49] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[17:06:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 441
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[17:07:29] <Blackmoore> goddamn mozilla. update broke my session.
[17:07:52] <mrcoolbp> .topic https://SoylentNews.org | IRC Logs: logs.sylnt.us/ | Wiki: sylnt.us/wiki | Code: sylnt.us/code | Got bugs? sylnt.us/bugs | Get Involved: sylnt.us/getinvolved | Who's Who: sylnt.us/whoswho |
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[17:09:33] <mrcoolbp> .topicappend submit stories: http://sylnt.us
[17:09:33] juggler changed topic of #Soylent to: https://SoylentNews.org | IRC Logs: logs.sylnt.us/ | Wiki: sylnt.us/wiki | Code: sylnt.us/code | Got bugs? sylnt.us/bugs | Get Involved: sylnt.us/getinvolved | Who's Who: sylnt.us/whoswho | | submit stories: http://sylnt.us
[17:09:34] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03585.594ms.14)[1]: 03SoylentNews Submissions
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[17:28:23] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: ping
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[17:35:55] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: one one of these things is not like the other, one of these things is not the same.
[17:36:09] <mrcoolbp> what's I do
[17:36:22] <mrcoolbp> s/'s/'d/
[17:36:23] <SedBot2> <mrcoolbp> what'd I do
[17:37:12] <mrcoolbp> .topic https://SoylentNews.org | IRC Logs: logs.sylnt.us/ | Wiki: sylnt.us/wiki | Code: sylnt.us/code | Got bugs? sylnt.us/bugs | Get Involved: sylnt.us/getinvolved | Who's Who: sylnt.us/whoswho | Submit Stories: http://sylnt.us |
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[17:37:14] <paulej72> the topic has only a full url on the append you just did. I am not sure who set the rest but it looks funny
[17:37:25] <mrcoolbp> .topic https://SoylentNews.org | IRC Logs: logs.sylnt.us/ | Wiki: sylnt.us/wiki | Code: sylnt.us/code | Got bugs? sylnt.us/bugs | Get Involved: sylnt.us/getinvolved | Who's Who: sylnt.us/whoswho | Submit Stories: sylnt.us/submit |
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[17:37:31] <mrcoolbp> there, that should do it
[17:37:43] <mrcoolbp> thanks.
[17:38:14] <paulej72> would be better if they were all full urls but I am not sure if we have the space available in the topic.
[17:39:28] <mrcoolbp> I was thinking this would look cleaner, but they aren't linking automagically for me in this form
[17:45:56] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: feel free to change back to full urls, I just wanted to get the rest of the links back (it was just logs before)
[17:52:13] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I'm around
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[17:52:50] <mrcoolbp> nice, how's AK treating you?
[17:55:06] <paulej72> NCommander: xlefay and I can’t seem to get kinit working on boron. any of the new accounts we created are not showing up when you kinit from boron, but are fine from the other nodes. Any idea what may be causing this
[17:55:46] <NCommander> paulej72, likely issues with syncing from helium
[17:55:52] <NCommander> Which is really irritating
[17:56:07] <NCommander> paulej72, kill the KDC on boron (service krb5kdc stop), and then see if it works
[17:56:19] <mrcoolbp> shit, gotta run out, BBL
[17:57:10] <paulej72> NCommander: xlefay seems to think that the accounts were on the local krb server for boron, I’ll try what you just posted
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[17:58:53] <NCommander> paulej72, you can use kadmin.local command to specifically check the stash on each machine
[17:59:10] <NCommander> If you're using standard kadmin, it will talk to the krb5 admin server, which SHOULD be pointed at helium
[18:00:06] <paulej72> NCommander: it says krb5kdc serverice not found. and I do not see it in /etc/init.d
[18:00:32] <xlefay> NCommander: correct, I used kadmin, but I didn't use kadmin.local
[18:01:07] <xlefay> Thus, I must've checked helium directly. I figured, if kinit didn't work locally, it was due the syncing - but figured that "kadmin" would simply connect to the local, which was part of the confusion, since the principles did show up there.
[18:01:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mexican Billionaire Calls for 3-Day Workweek "to Improve Quality of Life" - http://sylnt.us - demand-a-4-day-weekend
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[18:01:46] <xlefay> paulej72: krb5-kdc
[18:02:33] <NCommander> check krb5.conf, make sure its pointing at the right admin server
[18:02:46] <xlefay> NCommander: paulej72: it seems to work now. Just kinit'd as juggs.
[18:02:49] <NCommander> And try running krb5 replication manually (the command is i the crontab)
[18:02:55] <NCommander> (on helium)
[18:03:38] <paulej72> NCommander: does the kdc on boron need to be runnning for that
[18:04:00] <NCommander> No, just kpropd, which I think is a seperate init script
[18:04:11] <xlefay> NCommander: did you document this particular issue? I suggest, we set up a sysops bug tracker so we can keep track of these things and such. I think I set Twiki up on boron but that was a -long- time ago, not sure if that has bug tracking capabilities.
[18:05:00] <xlefay> How's you doing though? Aren't you somewhere in Germany now?
[18:05:27] <xlefay> @ NCommander ^
[18:06:29] <paulej72> NCommander: /usr/sbin/kprop: Connection refused while connecting to server
[18:06:54] <paulej72> running cron job for replication
[18:07:41] <xlefay> paulej72: a quick search for that particular error: If the slave is intended to run kpropd out of inetd, make sure that inetd is configured to accept krb5_prop connections. inetd may need to be restarted or sent a SIGHUP to recognize the new configuration. If the slave is intended to run kpropd in standalone mode, make sure that it is running.
[18:07:59] <xlefay> I'm not sure, if we're running it via inetd or just standalone, my guess (regarding the init script) is the standalone version
[18:11:22] <Azrael> wow http://www.iflscience.com - my alternative headline 'Boy discovers new spider and names it a beetle'
[18:11:23] <monopoly> ^ 03Twelve Year Old Discovers New Spider Genus | IFLScience
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[18:11:27] <xlefay> Also, helium has a different kpropd.acl file, and if I'm reading it correctly, it's missing '-22' from our internal domain. Is this intentional NCommander?
[18:11:45] <xlefay> host/kdc-01.li694@LI694-22 host/kdc-02.li694@LI694-22 (li694 instead of li694-22?)
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[18:19:26] <xlefay> paulej72: I think /etc/krb5kdc/kpropd.acl on helium might be wrong, our domainname (not realname) is missing '-22' at the end, on boron it's however correct. Is the cronjob showing any errors that are related to resolving and/or connecting?
[18:19:29] <paulej72> xlefay, NCommander: kpropd was not started, but I can’t find the what intit script runs it
[18:19:47] <xlefay> paulej72: indeed, I looked around it for a bit too. It doesn't seem to exist.
[18:20:04] <paulej72> I have the prop working and kinit is now working on boron with kdc running
[18:22:14] <xlefay> I wonder why helium's kpropd.acl is different than the one on boron, and why it's missing part of our internal TLD. I really have to read more about kerberos.. It just seems to me that boron might be denied access to helium, if it tries to get information because of the ACL but that's just an unfounded theory since I don't know how information is replicated amongst nodes
[18:25:18] <xlefay> " The master-slave propagation procedure entails the master KDC dumping its database to a temporary dump file and then transmitting that file to each of its slaves, which then overwrite their previously-received read-only copies of the database with the contents of the dump file. "
[18:25:28] <xlefay> So essentially, helium's pushing information to boron
[18:29:00] <stdhell> Do we have a "seen" service on this IRC "network"?
[18:29:12] <xlefay> ciri: has
[18:29:20] <xlefay> $seen juggs
[18:29:20] <aqu4> I last saw juggs at 2014-07-23 04:53:46 UTC in #soylent. Their most recent message is "night all"
[18:29:34] <xlefay> oh, aqu4 then
[18:29:44] <stdhell> Thanks
[18:31:25] <stdhell> Great... Not online for almost 2 months.
[18:31:47] <xlefay> fatphill?
[18:32:04] <stdhell> <aqu4> I last saw MrBluze at 2014-05-31 19:35:59 UTC in #soylent. Their most recent message is "cheers"
[18:32:15] <xlefay> Oh yeah.. I send him an e-mail the other day, he hasn't responded ;'(
[18:32:59] <stdhell> Last time I heard from him was 3 weeks ago, when he said he would send some papers using snail-mail. Still haven't received those.
[18:33:09] <stdhell> Maybe he shouldn't have used actual snails...
[18:33:24] <xlefay> haha
[18:33:38] * stdhell is not amused...
[18:33:52] <xlefay> understood, the snail part was funny tho
[18:33:59] <stdhell> Paid for the domains 2 months ago and they're still not mine. :-(
[18:35:04] <xlefay> Oh. Well, mrbluze used transIP to register them, so it would've been quite easy to push them to you, if you had a transip account (they call it an internal push, so you have control before ownership)
[18:35:32] <xlefay> Perhaps he misput your address or something :/
[18:36:09] <stdhell> I couldn't find a place to create an account without buying a new domain and I wanted the DNS on the same servers as all my other domains.
[18:37:03] <xlefay> That's odd, they must have changed that. Previously, you could just create an account & you be set. Oh well.
[18:37:36] <xlefay> I hope you'll receive the papers soon :)
[18:37:40] <stdhell> Well, I didn't see it right away. And since I wanted the DNS on some other servers, I didn't spend that long looking for it...
[18:38:27] <stdhell> On the other server, their page made it seem like changing the owner was part of the transfer to their DNS. It wasn't...
[18:38:53] <xlefay> With TransIP you can always change the nameservers. I've got about 30 domainnames with them, but none use their DNS servers. Their DNS servers are painfullly slow updated. Add a new A record? See ya tomorrow!
[18:39:17] <stdhell> I have control over the DNS, but since he still owns the domains according to whois, he can just ove the domains away from me, if he wants too.
[18:39:17] <xlefay> I suppose they could use a bit more clearer language in that regard then
[18:39:27] <stdhell> So I still can't use the domains...
[18:39:39] <xlefay> Yeah, that sucks big time
[18:40:12] <xlefay> Wasn't that the port119 domain?
[18:40:23] <stdhell> Yes. And geekcard.
[18:41:08] <xlefay> It seems port119 domainname was moved from transip
[18:41:42] <stdhell> Yes, both of them has been moved to gratisdns.dk
[18:42:17] <stdhell> To my account on gratisdns... But MrBluze can move them back if he wants to. They're still not my domains.
[18:42:31] <xlefay> Aah I see what you mean now, I thought you had no control over them yet either
[18:43:07] <stdhell> That actually makes it even worse for me, cause not only did I pay him what he originally paid for the domains. I have also paid for the transfer to gratisdns.
[18:43:26] <xlefay> I hope you'll receive those papers shortly then (although, I doubt he would screw you over though)
[18:44:00] <xlefay> Might just be slow delivery, or a hickup, or a mistake on his part. The difficult thing now is to get in touch with him to see what's up
[18:44:14] <stdhell> I honestly don't know anymore...
[18:45:11] <stdhell> It would have been easier, if I had the money when I suggested those domains in the first place.
[18:45:17] <xlefay> I'm guessing you do have his e-mail address.. maybe someone else has a way of getting in touch with him.
[18:45:29] <stdhell> Or if he had deleted the domains, so I could buy them as new domains.
[18:45:49] <xlefay> Yeah
[18:45:50] <stdhell> I have two of his email addresses.
[18:46:02] <xlefay> PM, I've got some e-mail addresses of him you might wish to try.
[18:46:17] <xlefay> PM?*
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[19:11:33] <paulej72> good news. I got a kpropd init script setup on boron and set to run on 2 3 4 and 5. Looks like we should be good now for kerberos
[19:14:17] <xlefay> cool!
[19:14:33] <xlefay> Well done ;) Did you create a test principle to see if replication goes well now?
[19:37:41] <Azrael> w00t for k<stuff>
[19:38:29] <crutchy> good morning
[19:40:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Typewriter Sales Surge in Russia and Germany - http://sylnt.us - going-back-to-the-dark-ages
[19:40:39] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03556.586ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/m2eusy9 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | Typewriter Sales Surge in Russia and Germany
[19:52:28] <paulej72> xlefay: no i did not, but since the passwords are working I figured all should be OK. I think our issue was the last time the server was restarted, kpropd did not start and thus all of our kerberos issues on boron
[19:54:49] <paulej72> i see it was set to start from rc.local. the new script will be better.
[19:59:37] * crutchy is guilty of preferring rc.local
[20:00:11] <crutchy> cos everything else seems too complicated
[20:01:18] <crutchy> and cos rc.local occurs after all the init.d crap
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[20:17:59] <paulej72> crutchy: what the real issue here is, RH has a default init script for kpropd, but Ubuntu (and Debian) do not for some reason. Why the hell not. I want to be able to use my service command
[20:30:12] <crutchy> i dunno. debian's whole startup thing is too convoluted for me
[20:46:58] <swiss> trying to keep NerdRPG from popping into my hilight window :/
[20:47:04] <swiss> much harder than I thought
[20:47:17] <swiss> i want to strip the hilight bit, but not ignore him fullly
[20:47:41] <crutchy> what client swiss?
[20:47:44] <swiss> irssi
[20:47:59] <swiss> i really just want to keep it out of my hilight win,
[20:49:05] <crutchy> dunno about that one. in xchat in alert preferences you can list nicks to not highlight. not sure if there's something similar in irssi
[20:49:31] <swiss> can't be sure
[20:50:25] <xlefay> What ZNC (bnc) I simply detach from #irpg channel. But that's pretty much /ignore of everything that happens in the channel.
[20:50:34] <crutchy> http://noone.org
[20:50:34] <xlefay> With irssi, can you not set an ignore regex?
[20:50:38] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 031.839sec. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/9aqrq6 14 )[0]: 03Blogging is futile - Sedating irssi's nick highlight for microblogging messages
[20:51:02] <crutchy> dunno if that helps. too much text for me to read before 7am
[20:51:11] <crutchy> g'day xlefay :-)
[20:51:15] <xlefay> G'day crutchy
[20:52:00] <xlefay> I'm amused how ciri tinyfies URLs that are posted.. it doesn't really serve a perhaps at all
[20:52:40] <crutchy> i guess its much shorter than the url i posted
[20:53:10] <crutchy> yeah i dunno. don't really notice it :-d
[20:53:36] <xlefay> Well, yes, but there isn't really a reason too since it's already posted x'D
[20:53:42] <crutchy> true
[20:53:50] <crutchy> how you been matey?
[20:54:00] <crutchy> weather not too nasty still i hope
[20:54:10] <swiss> xlefay: yeah, but I wanted to try to not ignore it 100%
[20:54:15] <xlefay> I've been OK, might get about ~1000 euros back from my gov't *emphasis on 'might'* so that's nice
[20:54:16] <swiss> i just want it to not pop up in hilihgt
[20:55:08] <xlefay> swiss: guessing the highlight is a script, can you not intercept certain patterns and ignore them? That's what I was referring to.
[20:55:15] <crutchy> better than a kick in the teeth
[20:55:19] <xlefay> crutchy: it's been a bit wonky still. How about you?
[20:55:22] <swiss> mebe
[20:55:23] <crutchy> ^aussie saying
[20:56:00] <xlefay> I'm really hoping we'll have a nasty rain & some thunder. Things will cool down substantially then. At least, if it's long enough.
[20:56:30] * crutchy likes thunderstorms (as long as they don't come with gale force winds)
[20:57:31] <crutchy> yeah hope it won't be too long
[20:57:39] <crutchy> hot weather is hard
[20:58:46] <xlefay> Yeah, so a good thunderstorm is pretty neat
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[21:00:51] <xlefay> How are you tho?
[21:00:58] <xlefay> All's good?
[21:01:19] <xlefay> Well, as good as can be, that is
[21:01:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Build a Better DC-to-AC Inverter and Win $1M - http://sylnt.us - more-bang-for-your-buck
[21:01:43] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03647.365ms. 14/ 12http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/07/23/0826204&from=rss 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | Build a Better DC-to-AC Inverter and Win $1M
[21:03:36] <xlefay> @ crutchy? :)
[21:03:54] <crutchy> things been better here, but i'm ok
[21:04:15] <xlefay> That's good :)
[21:04:45] <xlefay> I gotta go though, have a good one :)
[21:08:07] <mrcoolbp> = (
[21:19:32] <crutchy> cya xlefay. good to see you again
[21:19:54] <crutchy> i'm not very awake yet
[21:20:17] <crutchy> g'day mrcoolbp
[21:20:26] <mrcoolbp> g'day sir
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[21:26:08] <mrcoolbp> ooh shiny
[21:26:16] * mrcoolbp received his pipedot usb drive
[21:30:03] <crutchy> cool
[21:30:13] <crutchy> pipedot_logo++
[21:30:13] <Bender> karma - pipedot_logo: 1
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[21:30:33] * crutchy badly needs coffee :-/
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[21:33:55] <crutchy> g'day TheMightyBuzzard
[21:34:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> back at ya, crutchy
[21:34:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.washingtonpost.com
[21:34:13] <ciri> 14Title(03"utf-8 14/ 03554.408ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/mjffpqg 14 )[0]: 03Darth Vader is polling higher than all potential 2016 presidential candidates - The Washington Post
[21:34:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> via @cmdrtaco
[21:35:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuckin hell, jar jar polled higher than congress
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[21:39:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> "Meanwhile President Obama is polling just two favorability points below Emperor Palpatine, Lord of the Sith. Make of that what you will."
[21:39:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> he'd probably beat palpatine if he could shoot lightning bolts out of his fingers too
[21:41:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[21:41:41] <Bender> karma - coffee: 442
[21:42:09] * crutchy is about to commence first coffee of day :-)
[21:42:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> damned fine car, the 442
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[21:49:20] <crutchy> the masses love voting for anyone that promises to give them more welfare money (esp if they have nfi how much it will hurt down the track)
[21:50:23] <crutchy> americans had better start learning chinese
[21:55:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> that what you be spouting? tis wisdom.
[21:57:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly i think they don't even care if it hurts the nation later. they plan on being dead by the time the bill comes due.
[21:58:32] <crutchy> its a pity cos americans are mostly good people
[21:59:32] <crutchy> its just a strange time in history
[21:59:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, not really. mostly we're mediocre people. trending downward.
[22:00:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i don't think we'll be around in the same form by 2114.
[22:01:21] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: ping
[22:01:28] <crutchy> but you might be a lot worse if you weren't able to hold yourself up as much as you do. look at many other countries that have err... questionable... governments. many end up completely in the shit
[22:01:36] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: pong
[22:02:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> i expect when the revolution (could be political, could be bloody) comes, at least some of the states will want to peel off and go their own way.
[22:02:17] <paulej72> new icons and new chillax logo up on dev. I fixed the look of the topics page as well
[22:02:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya?
[22:02:26] <crutchy> unfortunately it kinda looks that way from outside too :-/
[22:02:31] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: awesome, lemme look
[22:03:07] <crutchy> although europe isn't really in any better shape
[22:03:14] <crutchy> nor the middle east
[22:03:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, ya, europe is largely in worse shape really. just without the history of violent revolution in many of the countries.
[22:04:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> well recently anyway
[22:04:10] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: I'm still looking, but we should probably replace the "soylent" one as well
[22:04:24] <paulej72> i was updated
[22:04:28] <paulej72> it
[22:05:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, "i shit you not, red" rather than reddish-orange
[22:05:36] <mrcoolbp> I meant the design of it, maybe something like the apple-touch-icon
[22:05:47] * mrcoolbp is trying to remember how to change the theme
[22:05:55] <mrcoolbp> ah found it
[22:06:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, was he kidding about the apple-touch-icon? dry humor misses me sometimes.
[22:06:59] <mrcoolbp> meta should be a candy bar coming out of another candy bar
[22:07:18] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: I don't beleive I was kiddin'
[22:07:45] <mrcoolbp> I'm liking how thos topic icons look, nice work paulej72
[22:07:48] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: that is the meta symbol fro sun keyboards
[22:07:54] <mrcoolbp> and nice work "rand"
[22:08:13] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: fair enough
[22:08:30] <crutchy> does the icon have lots of anti-aliased goodness?
[22:08:35] <paulej72> old-timers should get it
[22:08:59] <paulej72> the ones I made do.
[22:09:08] <paulej72> meta and slash
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[22:10:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm undecided about the Random one. accurate and pretty but... Dice
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[22:11:09] <paulej72> that is what we had before.
[22:11:12] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: of course, first thing that popped into my head as well
[22:11:20] <mrcoolbp> dice--
[22:11:20] <Bender> karma - dice: -9
[22:11:39] <mrcoolbp> Bender's gettin' old
[22:11:44] <mrcoolbp> he's all slow now
[22:12:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, just go with "we're taking it back". otherwise i'll have to call my dice bag a manual-rng-polyhedron bag
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[22:14:59] <crutchy> could always have a picture of a pony for the random logo
[22:15:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> heading out to drink someone else's coffee for variety's sake. be on the laptop shortly.
[22:15:31] * crutchy awaits the arrival of TheMightyLaptop
[22:15:36] <crutchy> :-)
[22:17:25] <crutchy> mrcoolbp, did you see the message i left on your wiki talk page?
[22:17:53] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: yessir, thanks, I'm just super busy right now
[22:18:04] <crutchy> no worries
[22:18:41] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: a pink pony with a rainbow?
[22:18:53] <crutchy> nah that's kinda gay
[22:19:15] <crutchy> not that there's anything wrong with that
[22:19:55] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: new soylent icon
[22:20:33] <mrcoolbp> ooh, cool
[22:20:39] <mrcoolbp> yeah, that'll work
[22:20:59] <mrcoolbp> though now I'm not sure the difference between meta and soylent
[22:22:21] <mrcoolbp> = /
[22:22:53] * mrcoolbp needs food and will be back shortly
[22:22:55] <crutchy> i can't even see the soylent one
[22:23:19] <chromas> These ones? http://dev.soylentnews.org
[22:23:19] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03161.761ms.14)[0]: 03Index of /images/topics
[22:23:48] <chromas> Looks like a candy bar here, unless they're somewhere else nwo
[22:25:11] * chromas doesn't remember what it was before, if anything
[22:25:33] <paulej72> shitty as small candybar. Look at producion and see.
[22:25:37] <paulej72> ass
[22:25:58] <paulej72> http://soylentnews.org
[22:26:00] <ciri> 14Title(03iso8859-1 14/ 03221.947ms.14)[0]: 03Index of /images/topics
[22:26:02] <crutchy> i kinda don't get the candybar thing, but meh
[22:26:32] * chromas notices the index pages look different on production
[22:26:53] <paulej72> http://soylentnews.org vs http://dev.soylentnews.org
[22:26:53] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03121.966ms.14)[0]: 03SoylentNews: Topics
[22:27:00] <chromas> crutchy: yeah, it should be a Soylent Muffin with a finger sticking out :D
[22:27:02] <crutchy> g'day chromas
[22:27:12] <chromas> hey crutchy :D
[22:27:13] <crutchy> home safe i see :-)
[22:27:32] <crutchy> unless you're a sockpuppet that's taken over chromas' body :-d
[22:28:35] <chromas> Nah, it's both
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[22:29:02] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: any of the icons that you are not really happy about, or anyone else for that matter
[22:29:02] <crutchy> ooh i like that dev nightmode is slightly darker shade of grey
[22:29:12] <Alberto> sup boys/girls
[22:29:17] <crutchy> looks less... err... dusty?
[22:29:25] <crutchy> g'day alberto
[22:29:30] <crutchy> how goes the perlbot?
[22:29:32] <paulej72> crutchy: i think i did that for you
[22:29:43] <crutchy> oh? thanks paulej72 :-D
[22:29:50] <Alberto> perlbot still there i think
[22:30:12] * Alberto has to work T_T 17:30 PM here
[22:30:35] <crutchy> i'm easily pleased though paulej72. the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few ;-)
[22:30:39] <paulej72> crutchy: or it could have been chromas as I can never keep you to speerated in my mind. You go together like Laural and Hardy
[22:30:44] <crutchy> lol
[22:30:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - HP and Microsoft Prove it Again: Big Business Doesn't Create Jobs - http://sylnt.us - all-jobs-are-not-the-same-either
[22:30:48] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03990.703ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/p3jfs3d 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | HP and Microsoft Prove it Again: Big Business Doesn't Create Jobs
[22:30:59] * crutchy is disturbed by that thought
[22:31:28] <crutchy> small businesses do
[22:31:34] <crutchy> ^create jobs
[22:32:47] <chromas> Small businesses create jobs; big businesses buy them up and take jerbs
[22:33:05] <crutchy> big business is too busy lapping at the public trough to care. if only someone in government had the balls to remove the trough
[22:33:46] <crutchy> chromas, future people take jerbs too
[22:33:59] <crutchy> back to the pile!
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[22:34:51] <chromas> Are six-sided dice nerdy enough?
[22:34:52] <crutchy> wb TheMightyLaptop :-)
[22:35:05] <crutchy> nah. need one of those 20-sided rubix cubes
[22:35:52] <TheMightyLaptop> i should add this nick to nickserv when i get back home.
[22:36:16] <chromas> You can login as TMB while keeping that name
[22:36:33] <chromas> Just put TMB right before the password
[22:36:42] <TheMightyLaptop> already am
[22:36:52] * chromas should learn2read
[22:37:05] <TheMightyLaptop> just less confusing if do it from home.
[22:39:18] <chromas> Shouldn't the Digital Liberty icon have someone hacking at the bars with an ax?
[22:40:02] <chromas> crutchy: you had other bot ideas?
[22:40:42] <paulej72> need a 20 sided die icon for random. Then you can no longer say it is Dice
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[22:41:38] <TheMightyLaptop> Behold, I am become Moderator, destroyer of trolls.
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[22:44:41] <chromas> Could be a spinner or a shuffle icon
[22:45:08] <crutchy> i'm working on an irc->wiki suggestions thingy for mrcoolbp
[22:45:35] <chromas> So we ~suggest something and it adds to the wiki?
[22:45:41] <crutchy> yeah
[22:45:44] <chromas> cool
[22:45:56] <crutchy> i also scribbling odd things here: https://github.com
[22:46:19] <crutchy> the <start> thingy is already done. should delete that
[22:46:32] <chromas> ~karma on
[22:46:59] <TheMightyLaptop> nah, we gotta take "dice" back.
[22:47:17] <chromas> like "porch monkey"
[22:47:23] <TheMightyLaptop> zactly
[22:47:24] <chromas> "It's cool, I'm taking it back"
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[22:47:32] <crutchy> the proc thingy is kinda working
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[22:47:48] <TheMightyLaptop> i am not finding a new plural for die.
[22:47:58] <chromas> need several dice, so each time, there's a different set of dots
[22:48:10] <chromas> plus that makes it more 'random'
[22:49:17] <crutchy> what's a website without animated gifs?
[22:49:20] <TheMightyLaptop> animated gif of them rolling in
[22:49:39] <crutchy> and hitting the dancing baby in the head
[22:50:32] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: you didn't like his "software" icon?
[22:50:43] <crutchy> the dev icon could be an animated 'under construction' gif :-d
[22:52:02] <chromas> Need an animated Hypnotoad in there somewhere
[22:52:27] <chromas> with an auto-playing .wav file
[22:52:33] <chromas> of the buzz
[22:52:40] * TheMightyLaptop listens to the hamster dance song for the millionth time
[22:54:38] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: nevermind, I think that software icon is good that you have there
[22:56:44] <crutchy> is there a page that describes the scope of each topic?
[22:57:35] <paulej72> how about the new /dev/random topic icon
[22:57:42] <paulej72> I jsut put it up
[22:58:37] <TheMightyLaptop> dig it. are the numbers in the right place?
[22:58:38] <mrcoolbp> YES!
[22:58:49] <paulej72> hell if I know
[22:58:58] <chromas> We need anatomically correct dice :)
[22:59:14] <TheMightyLaptop> leave it, see if anyone notices
[22:59:16] <chromas> s/ce/e/
[22:59:17] <SedBot2> <chromas> We need anatomically correct die :)
[22:59:19] <paulej72> I got it from wikipedia so it must be right
[22:59:28] <mrcoolbp> must be
[22:59:50] <TheMightyLaptop> ya, they're authoritative if anyone is
[23:00:02] <chromas> Is there a page that shows the asset licenses? :D
[23:00:56] <TheMightyLaptop> good question
[23:04:27] <stdhell> Not all dices are identical. Not even the standard 6 sided.
[23:04:49] <stdhell> The only important thing is that the opposite sides add up to 7.
[23:05:59] <TheMightyLaptop> to 21 on a d20
[23:06:16] <stdhell> Makes sense...
[23:06:23] <paulej72> the image was from the open clip art librafy
[23:06:39] <paulej72> https://openclipart.org
[23:06:39] <stdhell> And yes, you should use a d20 instead of a d6 for /dev/random.
[23:07:05] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: I think I'm pretty happy with the icons
[23:07:05] <paulej72> All Clipart are Released into the Public Domain.
[23:07:06] <paulej72> To the extent fully possible, each artist at Openclipart releases all rights to the images they share at Openclipart. The reason is so that there is zero friction in using and sharing images authors make available at this website so that each artist might also receive the same benefit in using other artists clipart totally for any possible reason.
[23:07:40] <paulej72> Unlimited Commercial Use
[23:07:40] <paulej72> Lots of image projects use confusing words such as images being royalty free, then you read the fine-print and find there are fees or limitations on how you might use an image. We try to make it clear that you may use all clipart even for unlimited commercial use. We believe that giving away our images is a great way to share with the world our talents and that will come back around in a better form.
[23:08:36] <paulej72> so we are safe in using that image
[23:10:07] * TheMightyLaptop ponders
[23:11:01] <paulej72> I am not quite happy with the lock, but the ones from rand were too pixelated for my tastes
[23:12:59] <chromas> Pen Jillette's face
[23:13:19] <chromas> he was security in that movie
[23:13:25] <chromas> Hack the planet!
[23:13:41] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: yup agreed
[23:14:08] <mrcoolbp> it looks decent when you blow it up a bit, but at that resolution (40px I think), it's pixely
[23:16:37] <paulej72> new one up
[23:17:07] <crutchy> what about some linux icons (like debian pixmaps?)
[23:17:22] <crutchy> they must be royalty free (else debian wouldn't use them)
[23:21:01] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: https://openclipart.org
[23:23:15] <paulej72> dont want to get too much red
[23:26:20] <crutchy> can adjust colors pretty easily
[23:27:29] <TheMightyLaptop> officially the weirdest thing i've seen all day: http://applejack.ponychan.net
[23:27:30] <ciri> 14Title(03iso8859-1 14/ 0393.856ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/nbd5p3q 14 )[0]: 0314Image (03image/png14). Size: 03162.779Kb14.
[23:27:44] <paulej72> new science top icon up.
[23:28:12] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: the secruity one I have up is the same as your’s except brass colored
[23:28:23] <mrcoolbp> yup
[23:31:04] <mrcoolbp> http://store-xkcd-com.myshopify.com
[23:31:04] <ciri> 14Title(03"UTF-8 14/ 03284.746ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/cf52pf5 14 )[0]: 03Try Science | the xkcd store
[23:31:13] <mrcoolbp> that would be a cool science icon
[23:31:48] <mrcoolbp> the one you have works though
[23:32:56] <mrcoolbp> hack the plaaaaneeet!
[23:33:09] <mrcoolbp> *delayed reaction*
[23:34:18] <TheMightyLaptop> jolie back before she was batshit insane
[23:34:51] <mrcoolbp> she was smokin' in that movei
[23:34:56] <mrcoolbp> er
[23:34:58] <TheMightyLaptop> truth
[23:35:48] <stdhell> http://28.media.tumblr.com
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[23:35:58] <stdhell> http://imgs.xkcd.com
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[23:37:40] <cykros> man, i wish someone had told me the videos i was watching to study for my CCENT were slightly out of date...
[23:37:49] * cykros almost passed
[23:37:58] <stdhell> For science!
[23:37:59] <stdhell> http://static.tvtropes.org
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[23:38:19] <cykros> i am pretty annoyed at how much time i spent going over ipv6 to have not a single question about it on the exam though
[23:38:48] <stdhell> cykros: Take HE's test and get a t-shirt!
[23:38:56] <stdhell> You know you want to...
[23:39:24] <cykros> heh, i did consider it. biggest reason for not being that motivated is that my router isn't ipv6 ready...i'd need to either get a ram upgrade for it or roll it back to IOS 12.4...i may do the latter
[23:39:46] <cykros> my layer 3 switch is ipv6 ready, but doesn't handle he's tunneling method
[23:39:51] <stdhell> ... or visit tunnelbroker.net
[23:40:13] <cykros> i have one, but doing it on my host directly is such a buzzkill
[23:40:29] <stdhell> There's also ... eh... the one I forgot the name of...
[23:40:52] <cykros> i suppose i could use the layer 3 routing functionality on the switch to point all ipv6 traffic out my desktop as a static route...
[23:41:03] <cykros> that just seems to be an exercise in another useless skill though.
[23:41:17] * cykros does those on a pretty regular basis as it is
[23:41:28] <cykros> great with computers...except with skills that are marketable.
[23:41:41] <paulej72> need to food now. bbl
[23:42:16] <cykros> i wouldn't be annoyed as much about there not being any ipv6 on the exam except that while they ignore tomorrow's technology, they had me answering questions about HUBS
[23:42:28] <cykros> it's two thousand and freakin' fourteen...
[23:43:09] <cykros> though i half say that just so i can have someone remind me that their backwards management at their company has hubs all over the place for some arcane reason known only to those with pointy hair.
[23:44:19] <stdhell> Cheaper (not really) and makes it easier to sniff other peoples traffic. What more reasons do you need?
[23:44:34] <cykros> heh, cheaper almost doesn't even apply anymore
[23:44:54] <cykros> my layer 3 switch was under $200...and you can definitely find some enterprise class switches in the ~$50 range...
[23:45:04] <cykros> i guess if you have like, an office with 2 computers.
[23:45:29] <stdhell> Correct. It's hard to find hubs, so now they costs more than a real switch.
[23:47:51] <cykros> it just kind of feels like being asked to know my way around windows 3.1's program manager.
[23:47:59] <cykros> sure, i can do it...but aren't there better things to be putting on a test
[23:48:00] <cykros> ?
[23:48:43] <stdhell> Sure... How do you load a program from a C64 tape?
[23:49:08] <cykros> heh, that's one i'd probably have to go look up. i never had a working tape drive for my C64 as a kid
[23:49:29] <cykros> just a coupld 5 1/4" floppy drives and some game cartridges
[23:49:55] <stdhell> Ok, how do you load a program from a C64 floppy?
[23:50:07] <stdhell> (That would be my next question anyway...)
[23:50:40] <cykros> LOAD"name",8,1
[23:50:57] <Blackmoore> so how do you properly load the punchcard reader?
[23:51:17] <cykros> into the garbage truck.
[23:51:28] <Blackmoore> (i'm fiddling with wires and magnets for the next question)
[23:54:03] <Blackmoore> .. and what is the frequency of the At&t long distance ..
[23:55:53] <stdhell> 2600 Hz
[23:56:41] <Blackmoore> :)
[23:57:32] <TheMightyLaptop> cap'n'crunch whistle, yep yep
[23:58:07] <TheMightyLaptop> aka ghetto blue box
[23:59:47] Alberto is now known as TheMightyBot