#Soylent | Logs for 2014-07-21
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[00:08:26] <crutchy> g'day juggs, JamesNZ, SpallsHurgenson
[00:08:54] <juggs> hola crutchy, how's things?
[00:09:01] <SpallsHurgenson> g'evening crutchy
[00:09:32] <crutchy> i'm home sick from work with man flu
[00:09:54] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, what teams are playing?
[00:10:22] <JamesNZ> Moin' crutchy \o
[00:10:29] <crutchy> lol nah not into football/soccer
[00:10:48] <JamesNZ> crutchy: Ah :| Hope you get better soon.
[00:11:00] <SpallsHurgenson> new computer game? new movie? new car? surely you aren't taking a sick day for actually being SICK?
[00:11:09] <crutchy> yeah. stupid me
[00:11:33] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't think you understand how sick days are supposed to work :)
[00:11:44] <crutchy> i think i've had it for a while, so i prolly already spread it around the orifice
[00:12:00] <JamesNZ> XD
[00:12:08] <crutchy> lol my dad works shiftwork and told me how sick days work :-D
[00:12:28] <crutchy> my leave is a bit different to most though. i don't get 'sick leave' perse
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[00:12:46] <crutchy> i just get 8 weeks of leave that i can use how i want
[00:13:42] <SpallsHurgenson> that's not the point. days off are too valuable to spend being sick. be miserable in the office, like is expected of you :)
[00:14:00] <crutchy> i been doing that already, trust me :-d
[00:14:03] <arti> 8 weeks.
[00:14:44] <crutchy> is that similar to you arti?
[00:14:59] <SpallsHurgenson> we will take up your miserability quotient at your next yearly review
[00:16:03] <crutchy> here its normal to get 4 weeks annual leave, 2 weeks sick leave and 2 weeks public holidays. my boss just says take them however you want, so we only have one type of leave (prolly costs less to manage i guess)
[00:17:06] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm... never thought of counting days off on holiday as leave :)
[00:17:36] <crutchy> still need to get paid :-)
[00:17:52] <SpallsHurgenson> I just consider them mobile weekends :)
[00:17:57] <crutchy> lol
[00:18:05] <crutchy> don't get paid for weekends
[00:18:37] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm less interested in the pay and more interested in the not-at-office :)
[00:18:47] <crutchy> ah. good point
[00:19:17] <crutchy> i don't mind so much being at the office. its walking distance away in a town of maybe 15-20 thousand
[00:19:44] <crutchy> i would rather be at home still, but i don't hate my job as prolly a lot of other people
[00:20:25] <arti> 8 weeks off?
[00:20:27] <SpallsHurgenson> I don't hate the job, just the location, the commute, the people I work with, the people I work for, the tasks they ask me to do, and the customers :)
[00:20:28] <crutchy> at at the moment i need all the money i can get (we also get paid for the hours we work, so work more hours = more pay)
[00:20:56] * arti doesn't have anywhere near that
[00:21:28] <arti> i like what i do, where i'm at.
[00:21:47] <arti> wouldn't mind some more money, but i'll take the lower stress any day
[00:21:53] * arti has a lot of freedom
[00:22:12] <crutchy> freedom is worth something in a job, so that's good
[00:22:42] <arti> totally, although i probably would jump to another place if it paid really really well
[00:22:54] <arti> figure i could slog it out for a year or two
[00:23:25] <crutchy> we work to live, not live to work... no point making a crapload of money if your life is miserable from all the working and stress
[00:23:55] <arti> well i wouldn't jump into a miserable job
[00:24:17] <arti> i guess nobody really does
[00:24:25] <crutchy> if i lost my current job i might just to get by till i found a better job
[00:24:26] <arti> these are things you hash out while interviewing
[00:24:33] <crutchy> true
[00:24:44] <crutchy> interviewing works both ways eh
[00:24:49] <arti> well it should
[00:25:18] <crutchy> lol yeah i guess normally the interviewee is a little more desperate than the interviewer
[00:25:20] <arti> my main concern is commute time
[00:25:38] <arti> it's easier to find a job when you have one
[00:26:16] <crutchy> yeah. that's why i got out of melbourne (state capital city where i am). atm it takes me about 15 mins to walk to work so i'm prolly pretty lucky
[00:26:19] <arti> idk, it just depends on the work. people are in a variety of situations
[00:26:56] <arti> that's awesome
[00:26:56] <crutchy> only problem is to walk home is uphill which kinda sucks :-d
[00:27:12] <arti> my job is really far from me atm
[00:27:18] <arti> but i only need to be in the office 2x a week
[00:27:25] <arti> i've had bouts where i've been out for 4 months lol
[00:27:30] <crutchy> cool :-D
[00:27:46] <arti> frankly i'm kinda interested in getting back into an office full time
[00:27:55] <arti> seperation of work and home
[00:28:03] <arti> separation*(
[00:28:08] <crutchy> a small office/company can be pretty fun sometimes
[00:28:13] <arti> i prefer smalle companies
[00:28:26] <arti> i've seen entire departments get gutted
[00:28:29] <arti> no thanks
[00:28:44] <crutchy> yeah i don't like bringing work home. i only work on the compliance app at home cos its my hobby
[00:29:01] <arti> i prefer knowing most of the people in the company pretty well, family businesses have been pretty good to me
[00:29:14] <arti> i mix my days, since it all blends together
[00:29:42] <arti> i have good bursts at like 22-01
[00:29:57] <crutchy> 22-01?
[00:30:03] <arti> 22:00-01:00, i also start really late (10ish)
[00:30:11] <arti> i'm a total night owl
[00:30:12] <crutchy> ah
[00:30:25] <arti> i prefer nights to mornings, mornings are nice... but i'm just always up late heh
[00:30:26] <crutchy> mee too, unfortunately
[00:30:58] <crutchy> code till midnight-1am and then get up for work at 6.30 :-/
[00:31:51] <crutchy> s/code/chat/
[00:31:51] <SedBot2> <crutchy> chat till midnight-1am and then get up for work at 6.30 :-/
[00:32:49] <crutchy> last night was fun though. spent prolly a couple of hours debugging a kill script and then another couple of hours learning about regex. was pretty productive i think
[00:36:43] <crutchy> exec's kill alias was a bit tricky cos it doesn't just open one process per script. it opens a shell and then the script runs in the shell (i think its something to do with the 'exec ' prefix for the executed command. anyway i had to parse a ps -aF output and make a little reccursive posix_kill function to make sure i didn't end up with any defunct processes (or processes that wound up running on their own)
[00:37:28] <crutchy> took me a while to squash bugs. i'm pretty slow at some of that sort of stuff
[00:39:07] <juggs> sounds like fun :)
[00:40:05] <crutchy> might have been something that people would have paid to avoid following :-P
[00:40:54] <crutchy> the # channel was soo amazingly not fun last night
[00:41:25] <crutchy> an aweful lot of:
[00:41:27] <crutchy> <crutchy> ~restart
[00:41:27] <crutchy> * exec has quit (Client Quit)
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[00:41:28] <crutchy> <crutchy> ~q
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[00:41:34] <crutchy> <crutchy> ~q
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[00:41:40] <crutchy> <crutchy> ~q
[00:41:48] <crutchy> lol sorry for the spam. didn't think i copied that much :-o
[00:41:57] <SpallsHurgenson> wait, don't stop!
[00:41:58] <juggs> haha
[00:42:00] <SpallsHurgenson> I want to know how it ends!
[00:42:24] <crutchy> it ends with ciri getting quieted :-p
[00:42:37] <crutchy> poor ciri
[00:42:49] <SpallsHurgenson> bot-lobotomy?
[00:42:56] <SpallsHurgenson> loBOTomy?
[00:43:03] * arti o.o
[00:43:11] <crutchy> arti.... does ciri have a temporary quiet command?
[00:43:19] <arti> uh, not presently
[00:43:47] <arti> there's a config file, i'd need to expose it to someone authenticated
[00:43:57] <crutchy> it was kinda interrupting the regex flow a bit last night. bytram ended up quieting it cos i think it was throwing him off
[00:44:02] <arti> lol
[00:44:14] <crutchy> he tried kicking it but it bounced back
[00:44:18] <crutchy> that was funny :-d
[00:44:22] <arti> i'll adjust that
[00:44:45] <arti> set to chime in randomly between 1-40 lines
[00:45:31] <crutchy> prolly doesn't need to happen a lot, but maybe just during intense discussions or meetings or whatever. i guess we could have taken the lesson to a different channel or set ciri to ignore
[00:45:46] <crutchy> no biggie i just don't want ciri permabanned
[00:46:13] <arti> we make, sell, and distribute trollbots.
[00:46:23] <crutchy> lol.... yes we do :-d
[00:46:30] <arti> our newest--trolling me softly--will be available this fall.
[00:46:49] <arti> "i don't get it, how does it do that?" "it makes you repeat the commands, sometimes"
[00:46:50] <crutchy> lol was ciri's encounter with nc the test case for that model?
[00:46:57] <crutchy> oh
[00:46:59] <arti> that was so awesome
[00:47:13] <crutchy> yeah
[00:47:24] <arti> "oh hey! you're on linode too!!"
[00:47:32] <crutchy> its --affectionate switch was enabled then :-p
[00:48:28] <crutchy> dafuq!
[00:48:42] <crutchy> why isn't there a consistent timestamp in rss items?
[00:48:51] <arti> in general?
[00:49:38] <crutchy> <pubDate> seems to be a fairly common tag, but even then the timestamp format varies wildly
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[00:50:16] <arti> well, on the bright side you don't have to write google bot stuff to interpret that
[00:50:17] <crutchy> and wtf do they do this: <pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 21 Jul 2014 08:30:06 +1000]]></pubDate>
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[00:50:30] <arti> rss uses xml right?
[00:50:39] <crutchy> yeah i think so
[00:50:48] <arti> the cdata is used to properly encapsulate stuff
[00:50:59] * arti had to do that for some JS when validating
[00:51:13] <crutchy> my script can pull out tags, but i wouldn't have thought cdata was necessary for a timestamp
[00:51:40] <crutchy> i think i've extracted cdata out of other tags
[00:52:03] <arti> looks like the cdata is ignored by the parser
[00:52:29] <arti> "The term CDATA is used about text data that should not be parsed by the XML parser."
[00:52:45] <arti> "Some text, like JavaScript code, contains a lot of "<" or "&" characters. To avoid errors script code can be defined as CDATA."
[00:53:03] <arti> hmmm.
[00:53:17] <crutchy> i've got some code to pull cdata text out of title tags
[00:53:46] <crutchy> might make it into a function so i can put all fields through it, just in case
[01:04:24] <arti> might as well ^_^
[01:05:05] <crutchy> damn nose is running like a tap
[01:05:37] <arti> fighting a bug?
[01:06:42] <crutchy> yeah. got appt with quack at about 4 thisa rvo
[01:07:22] <arti> at least it's not stuffed
[01:07:28] <crutchy> put up with it for a few weeks but over weekend it got worse
[01:07:36] <arti> oh really? bummer
[01:07:38] <crutchy> lol one side is :-p
[01:07:51] <crutchy> one's blocked and the other is leaking :-/
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[01:08:31] <crutchy> ok the blocked one is a bit clearer now. delightful conversation topic eh :-D
[01:08:50] <arti> been sleeping with your mouth open?
[01:09:07] <crutchy> dunno
[01:09:18] <crutchy> don't tend to notice much when i'm sleeping :-d
[01:09:26] * arti notices with a dry mouth
[01:09:33] <crutchy> ah
[01:09:38] <arti> sore throat
[01:10:25] <crutchy> just gotta be careful that terrance and phillip aren;t around when you sleep with mouth open :-p
[01:12:42] <arti> indeed, i usually put a boot above the door
[01:14:41] <juggs> and then no doubt forget it's there when fumbling to the bathroom in the dark at some point :D
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[01:24:14] <crutchy> ~restart
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[01:24:39] <arti> boom?
[01:24:57] <crutchy> ~sedbot-ii
[01:25:13] <crutchy> ~sedbot-join
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[01:25:31] <crutchy> helps if its here
[01:25:34] <crutchy> ~sedbot-ii
[01:25:53] <crutchy> ~sedbot-join
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[01:26:06] <crutchy> sedbot
[01:26:06] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[01:26:12] <crutchy> s/d/x/
[01:26:12] <SedBot2> <crutchy> sexbot
[01:26:28] <crutchy> just some minor tweaks
[01:27:17] <crutchy> ~queue
[01:27:59] <crutchy> ~queue
[01:28:02] <exec> *** SN article queue: 7
[01:28:13] <juggs> handy :D
[01:28:50] <arti> indeed
[01:28:54] <arti> crutchy++
[01:28:54] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 84
[01:29:06] <crutchy> finally i use for the SN login script i made :-D
[01:29:35] <crutchy> wanted to make sure i didn't get old page from varnish
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[01:34:08] * juggs starts the stopwatch
[01:34:17] <arti> such a curious phrase
[01:34:36] <arti> !google en monkey
[01:34:56] <arti> !google en monkey
[01:35:16] <crutchy> yeah rand not having much luck with connection
[01:35:34] <crutchy> ~google stuff
[01:35:47] <crutchy> i think the google script is borked atm
[01:35:54] <arti> makes two of us
[01:36:05] <rand> yah, see if I can go more than 20 minutes today
[01:36:13] <crutchy> lol
[01:36:20] <crutchy> hopefully
[01:36:22] <arti> viagra :D
[01:36:50] <arti> !g 4+4
[01:37:49] <crutchy> i dunno whether anyone can figure out wtf i was trying to do here: https://github.com
[01:38:09] <crutchy> i can't remember what the intention was
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[01:38:21] <crutchy> something to do with google i think :-d
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[01:38:45] * juggs takes a look-see
[01:39:00] <juggs> not that'll be much help :D
[01:39:28] <juggs> ^^ that makes no sense!
[01:40:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How to Get Ahead by Speaking Vaguely - http://sylnt.us - Fake-Your-Way-To-The-Top
[01:46:53] <juggs> ~queue
[01:46:55] <exec> *** SN article queue: 7
[01:49:50] <arti> !google how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop
[01:50:19] <arti> !g test
[01:50:28] <arti> oooh
[01:50:31] <SpallsHurgenson> one... two... three... crunch. Three!
[01:50:36] <arti> !decide blah
[01:50:45] <arti> !decide 1 2
[01:51:03] <paulej72> .op
[01:51:03] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o paulej72] by juggler
[01:51:12] <paulej72> .voice cire
[01:51:18] <paulej72> .voice ciri
[01:51:18] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v ciri] by juggler
[01:51:20] <arti> thought i was going mad for abit
[01:51:23] <arti> danke
[01:51:28] <arti> !google how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop
[01:51:30] <ciri> 123,000 results | Tootsie > Fan Fun > How Many Licks? @ http://www.tootsie.com | Tootsie > FAQ's @ http://www.tootsie.com | Someone Figured Out How Many Licks It Takes To Get To The ... @ http://uproxx.com | How many licks does it take to get to the center of a
[01:51:31] <ciri> Tootsie Pop ... @ https://answers.yahoo.com | Tootsie Pops - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia @ http://en.wikipedia.org
[01:51:57] <paulej72> Bytram got mad at ciri last night an devoiced her
[01:52:18] <arti> makes sense, i'll nix the speech in here until i can rig up a quiet mode, ya?
[01:52:28] <paulej72> !decide yes yes yes no
[01:52:30] <ciri> The roll of the dice picks: no.
[01:52:35] <arti> hahahaha
[01:52:37] <arti> that's my bot
[01:53:00] <arti> !video kangaroo
[01:53:32] <juggs> crikey, it's bot central in here :D
[01:54:02] <arti> !wikipedia .us json
[01:54:02] <ciri> Socket Error accessing 'us.wikipedia.org' .. Does it exist?
[01:54:08] <arti> !wikipedia .en json
[01:54:10] <ciri> JSON | JSON (/ˈdʒeɪsən/ JEY-suhn) (pronounced as the common name "Jason"), or JavaScript Object Notation, is an open standard format that uses human-readable text to transmit data objects consisting of attribute–value pairs. It is used primarily to transmit data between a server and web application, as an alternative to XML. Although originally derived from the JavaScript scripting language,
[01:54:11] <ciri> JSON is a language-independent data format, and code for parsing and generating JSON data is readily available in a large variety of programming languages. The JSON format was originally specified by Douglas Crockford. It is currently described by two competing standards, RFC 7159 and ECMA-404. The ECMA standard is mini @ http://en.wikipedia.org
[01:54:38] <arti> public services :P
[01:55:00] <arti> !fight red vs blue
[01:55:01] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: blue beats red by 2,840,000,000 to 2,520,000,000!
[01:56:01] <arti> !local .co.au kangaroo near sydney
[01:56:01] <ciri> Socket Error accessing 'http://maps.google.co.au/maps?f=q&q=kangaroo%20near%20sydney&ie=utf-8&filter=0&oi=lwp_thresh&sa=X&view=text&ct=clnk&cd=1&nfpr=1' .. Does it exist?
[01:56:40] <arti> :D
[01:57:00] <paulej72> !fight red vs green
[01:57:01] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: green beats red by 2,790,000,000 to 2,520,000,000!
[01:57:44] <paulej72> !fight red vs dead
[01:57:44] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: red beats dead by 2,520,000,000 to 361,000,000!
[01:58:49] <paulej72> !fight fred vs ted
[01:58:49] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: fred beats ted by 109,000,000 to 90,100,000!
[01:59:06] <SpallsHurgenson> what was that devoice command again? :)
[01:59:13] <paulej72> !fight kennedy vs nixon
[01:59:14] <ciri> By results on Google.com/intl/en: kennedy beats nixon by 80,800,000 to 25,700,000!
[01:59:40] <paulej72> hell noone is saying anything anyway :)
[01:59:41] <ciri> Though i suppose. Separate the command i could swear that google showed canvas off in the cornbread hell is the live me.
[01:59:50] * arti is adjusting the speech
[02:00:42] <juggs> swathes of bot output do irritate the obsessive scrollback readers though paulej72 - just a thought :)
[02:00:48] <paulej72> arti, what if ciri pull quotes from a famous quote database as well as mking stuff up
[02:01:09] <arti> would this happen to be ...bash?
[02:01:15] <paulej72> that is what the scrollwheel is for
[02:02:25] <juggs> personally I only bother with enough scrollback to see what's current in this channel ~shrug~
[02:03:03] <mrcoolbp> juggs: this channel particularly I don't always get to read all of the scrollback, but I do try to skim it
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[02:03:14] <arti> boom!
[02:03:58] <paulej72> I dont’t always read #Soylent but when i do I skip ciri
[02:04:14] <juggs> mrcoolbp, yah, I zip through most of it then read the last hour or so more thoroughly - life's too short
[02:04:24] <mrcoolbp> indeed
[02:04:54] <crutchy> g'day mrcoolbp and paulej72
[02:05:02] <paulej72> you need to read my last line as the most interesting man in the world would
[02:05:14] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: is that an order?
[02:05:27] <mrcoolbp> crutchy g'$timesegment to you
[02:05:32] <paulej72> a suggestion, and it is not day here
[02:06:25] <mrcoolbp> "I don't always read paulej72's last line, but when I do...
[02:06:27] <crutchy> g'$time_descriptor
[02:06:34] <mrcoolbp> sure that
[02:06:58] <crutchy> need that ~time-add alias so i can gradually scrape together a database of everyone's timezones :-d
[02:07:25] <crutchy> then i can make a ~greet paulej72 alias :-D
[02:07:46] <mrcoolbp> yes that would negate the need for thinking or remembering anything
[02:07:56] * crutchy is very lazy, and has no life
[02:08:20] <mrcoolbp> crutchy but you spend all your time on IRC-- oh, I see.
[02:08:22] <mrcoolbp> = )
[02:08:58] <crutchy> too cold lately to do much else
[02:09:00] <arti> we're all cool peeps here
[02:09:22] <crutchy> you guys are awesome
[02:10:20] <swiss> passed my motorcycle class, woooo
[02:10:32] <crutchy> hmm also need a <startup> alias that triggers after connection/indentification with ns
[02:10:41] <mrcoolbp> hmm, why do people feel like they should email the admin if they get one downmod?
[02:11:00] <mrcoolbp> swiss: gratz! Be careful.
[02:11:22] <crutchy> cos that's prolly what they do whenever they get criticized on twitter, facebook, youtube, etc
[02:11:25] <swiss> not gettin a bike for a while
[02:11:40] <crutchy> its the normal thing to do on the interwebz now :-D
[02:11:52] <crutchy> or something like that
[02:12:00] <paulej72> because their karma goes down. can see why ./ whent to good/bad instead of numbers
[02:12:15] <crutchy> i just post AC
[02:12:21] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: I was thinking the same thing. He'd probably still be "neutral"
[02:12:43] * mrcoolbp examines his comment in context
[02:13:14] <crutchy> i'vee worked hard for that 50 gudammit :-d
[02:13:37] * crutchy only just got to 50 today
[02:13:58] <paulej72> hell I am at 26 and will be for a long time. Would need to post to get more karma
[02:14:08] <crutchy> ~queue
[02:14:11] <exec> *** SN article queue: 8
[02:14:12] <juggs> really? I mostly blither trite crud in comments and still ended up at 50
[02:14:18] <crutchy> ooh 1 more than last
[02:14:25] <SpallsHurgenson> somehow I got to 50, and I never post
[02:14:29] <mrcoolbp> hmm, this is from April, even weirder
[02:14:32] <juggs> it always nearly bottoms out over the weekend
[02:14:34] <SpallsHurgenson> must be my natural sexiness :)
[02:14:43] <crutchy> i think you get 3 for a successful article submit
[02:15:01] <crutchy> that and the odd +5 comment is all you need i think
[02:15:08] <paulej72> i posted like 3 times on the ./ the whole time I was there.
[02:15:17] <crutchy> lol
[02:15:43] <crutchy> you just preferred to sit back and watch the carnage unfold from a distance?
[02:15:54] <paulej72> I have not sumbmitted to either site.
[02:16:16] <juggs> you're really not doing enough to contribute paulej72 :P
[02:16:16] <paulej72> my engiwish is no so well
[02:16:18] <juggs> j/k
[02:16:20] <crutchy> i liked picking fights on /.
[02:16:21] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: I'm not sure what to tell this guy, his comment isn't really bad, not great either I guess
[02:16:35] <crutchy> but it wasn't really a community so i didn't give a fuck
[02:16:42] * SpallsHurgenson counts: 24 comments and 2 stories
[02:17:09] <mrcoolbp> maybe I'll tell him he gets positive karma for submitting an accepted story
[02:17:29] <crutchy> 275 comments (not as AC i'm assuming?)
[02:17:47] <paulej72> tell him to grow som balls and quit whining about stupid shit :)
[02:18:03] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: this user has 1 comment, and one mod agaisnt, that's it
[02:18:09] * SpallsHurgenson has posted significantly more on slashdot, however
[02:18:10] <crutchy> only 8 accepted submissions though. had 8 rejections
[02:18:10] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: let me try to reword that
[02:18:38] <juggs> they may well be here in this channel
[02:18:48] <mrcoolbp> it's possible
[02:19:26] <mrcoolbp> I just find it intersting, If I got a downmod, I'd try to post more intelligent thought out stuff
[02:19:41] <crutchy> i'm an engineer, want me to design a bridge for him to get over :-d
[02:19:55] <paulej72> I am indemnfied at I used :)
[02:20:08] <crutchy> paulej72, ke?
[02:20:14] * mrcoolbp reads that out loud slowly
[02:20:38] <paulej72> indemnified
[02:20:40] <crutchy> must be legal mumbojumbo or something
[02:20:58] <juggs> mrcoolbp, depends - was the post downmodded for being for being O/T or because someone else simply disagreed with the content of it?
[02:21:05] <crutchy> lawyers speak in a different version of english to everyone else
[02:21:16] <juggs> hmm... I have an echo going on it seems
[02:21:39] <crutchy> are you in a cave?
[02:21:40] <mrcoolbp> juggs: in this case it wasn't super insightful, kind of a knee-jerk, but it's probably true what he predicts
[02:21:52] <crutchy> it's not apk is it?
[02:22:28] <crutchy> oh nah prolly not... he would have destroyed the whole thread :-d
[02:22:28] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: no, I typed out a long reply after considering his proposal and I got back profanity, accusations, etc. I'm not going to respond to that.
[02:22:46] <arti> what the #*$)#@ why not you stupid @#$#@$%#@
[02:23:02] <crutchy> i fucking hate it when people fucking swear
[02:23:18] <mrcoolbp> PS => APK and host files and shiH^H^H^stuff
[02:23:46] <mrcoolbp> so many caps
[02:23:47] <crutchy> and 'open sores' and troll-reversal
[02:23:57] * mrcoolbp has nightmares about the email
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[02:24:06] <crutchy> wb ciri
[02:24:21] <crutchy> you body snatcher you
[02:24:24] <mrcoolbp> juggs: the downmod was "overrated"
[02:25:05] <crutchy> maybe need a +/-0 who gives a shit mod
[02:25:33] <crutchy> at least then he can't bitch about his karma
[02:25:35] <mrcoolbp> arti/crutchy: It's not the profanity itself that bothered me, it was that I actually went out of my way to give the guy an honest answer, I guess that was my mistake
[02:25:50] <arti> don't take it too hard man
[02:25:58] * mrcoolbp isn't
[02:26:03] <crutchy> you did the right thing at least
[02:26:18] <crutchy> if he wants to be an asshat that's his perogative i suppose
[02:26:41] <mrcoolbp> Yeah, I try to picture what it would be like for these people, it what a difference it would make if an actualy human took the time to respond kindly
[02:26:57] <mrcoolbp> but you can't please them all
[02:27:07] <arti> ciri can haz voice?
[02:27:09] * mrcoolbp goes off to try to type something gentle-yet-witty
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[02:27:14] <mrcoolbp> .voice ciri
[02:27:14] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v ciri] by juggler
[02:27:16] <arti> :D
[02:27:18] <crutchy> you only gotta please yourself and your missus :-d
[02:27:29] <ciri> :D
[02:27:39] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: well than he can wait till tomorrow, and I'll work on the former now = )
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[02:27:44] <mrcoolbp> g'night guys
[02:27:48] <arti> baaaaah
[02:27:51] <arti> good night
[02:27:53] <crutchy> night mrcoolbp :-)
[02:27:56] <juggs> mrcoolbp, why does ciri need voicing specifically?
[02:28:06] <crutchy> cos its awesome :-D
[02:28:10] <arti> there's some... quiet thing set
[02:28:10] <mrcoolbp> ask arti, I was just trying to be funny
[02:28:18] <mrcoolbp> juggs: ask arti, I was just trying to be funny
[02:28:25] <arti> you ARE funny
[02:28:31] <arti> staaaahp
[02:28:38] <mrcoolbp> that's 'cause I TRIED to be
[02:28:42] <arti> bot keeps bombing
[02:28:44] * mrcoolbp has to try pretty hard
[02:28:56] <crutchy> you might shit yourself if you try too hard
[02:29:02] <mrcoolbp> too late.
[02:29:06] <crutchy> lol
[02:29:20] <mrcoolbp> .devoice arty
[02:29:22] <mrcoolbp> .devoice arti
[02:29:22] -!- mode/#Soylent [-v arti] by juggler
[02:29:23] <crutchy> had better go clean up... unless you're into that sorta thing
[02:29:35] <mrcoolbp> arti: gotta trade one for one, sorry
[02:30:01] <mrcoolbp> .op juggs
[02:30:01] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o juggs] by juggler
[02:30:04] <mrcoolbp> .deop
[02:30:04] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o mrcoolbp] by juggler
[02:30:05] <crutchy> "i'll offer you one of my timtams if you give me voice"
[02:30:09] <crutchy> ^arti
[02:30:26] <mrcoolbp> okay, juggs: you're in charge of this room, obviously the power has gone to my head
[02:30:43] <mrcoolbp> later guys.
[02:30:45] <juggs> talk about the nutters taking over the asylum!
[02:30:49] <crutchy> juggs, make coffee karma 10 billion :-D
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[02:30:53] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v arti] by juggler
[02:30:54] <arti> dsfjlkdsfjkla
[02:31:03] <mrcoolbp> "clever girl"
[02:31:22] <arti> wtf its not +m
[02:31:29] <arti> cannot talk unvoiced
[02:31:32] <juggs> quite arti
[02:31:52] <arti> :|?
[02:31:57] <crutchy> sec
[02:32:03] <juggs> but you can as crutchy shows us :D
[02:32:25] <arti> do i have to start shopping people's heads onto porn
[02:32:45] <arti> i usually reserve this honor for coworkers but i might modify that policy
[02:32:50] <juggs> .deop
[02:32:50] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o juggs] by juggler
[02:32:56] <chromas_> Is there a +q involved?
[02:33:05] <arti> chanmodes are nPt
[02:33:13] <chromas_> For ciri
[02:33:20] <arti> probably
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[02:33:48] <arti> really need to get the dcc working
[02:33:58] <arti> going in via sockets sucks
[02:34:14] * crutchy likes sockets
[02:34:31] <crutchy> nograb
[02:34:40] <arti> guess i could just change the name
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[02:35:09] <chromas_> C1r1. It's 1337
[02:35:10] <crutchy> [15:33:14] <Bytram> .quiet ciri
[02:35:11] <crutchy> [15:33:14] -!- mode/#Soylent [+q *!*@iminylescdbcem.com] by juggler
[02:35:23] <arti> aaah
[02:35:34] <arti> that explains it, that's also my current host mask
[02:35:37] <juggs> silenced!
[02:35:43] <crutchy> yeah i saw that too
[02:35:53] <crutchy> not sure how to fix though
[02:36:06] <chromas_> .unquiet I think
[02:36:15] <juggs> no-one has deigned to inform me of all of juggler's commands as yet
[02:36:17] <arti> ciri should be quiet here
[02:36:27] <paulej72> .unquite ciri
[02:36:27] <arti> save for actual commands now
[02:36:40] <juggs> .op
[02:36:40] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o juggs] by juggler
[02:36:46] <juggs> .unquiet ciri
[02:36:46] -!- mode/#Soylent [-q *!*@iminylescdbcem.com] by juggler
[02:36:52] <ciri> tiggles
[02:37:03] <arti> !google eyeglasses
[02:37:04] <ciri> 11,800,000 results | Find Eyeglasses You're Looking for at LensCrafters @ http://www.lenscrafters.com | Eyeglasses - Prescription Glasses for $95 | Warby Parker @ https://www.warbyparker.com | Eyeglasses Store Online: New Eye Glasses, Prescription Frames @ http://www.framesdirect.com | Discount Eyeglasses - Order Prescription Glasses Online & Save
[02:37:05] <ciri> at ... @ http://www.coastal.com | Shop Eyeglasses - 39DollarGlasses.com @ http://www.39dollarglasses.com
[02:37:11] <crutchy> eep
[02:37:11] <juggs> .quiet ciri
[02:37:11] -!- mode/#Soylent [+q *!*@iminylescdbcem.com] by juggler
[02:37:15] <juggs> FFS!
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[02:37:35] <crutchy> arti... maybe hop into # for testing
[02:37:41] <juggs> hmm, more for my notes / documentation
[02:37:45] <crutchy> there's a bender in there too
[02:37:53] <crutchy> and a juggler
[02:37:56] <juggs> or #test
[02:38:06] <arti> well testing is done, see ##
[02:38:08] <crutchy> i do all exec's testing there
[02:38:11] <crutchy> ah
[02:38:16] <arti> and yet i see ~weather used here
[02:38:32] <crutchy> yeah i do test here too
[02:38:42] <crutchy> not saying don't test here sorry
[02:39:25] <arti> well, potentially google search works
[02:39:29] <juggs> I think we need some kind of irc community debate / consensus on the matter of chatty bots - people can always just /ignore anyway
[02:39:36] <juggs> .unquiet ciri
[02:39:36] -!- mode/#Soylent [-q *!*@iminylescdbcem.com] by juggler
[02:39:41] <crutchy> just saying if you want a channel where nobody going to be offended by anything there's always #... it's a fun channel :-D
[02:39:52] <arti> ciri should no longer speak
[02:40:02] <arti> you guys can't handle it
[02:40:10] <juggs> arti - really? Then what would be the point of it being here?
[02:40:12] <crutchy> i like ciri
[02:40:19] <crutchy> ciri++
[02:40:19] <Bender> karma - ciri: 7
[02:40:20] <juggs> I like ciri too
[02:40:27] <crutchy> does it accept invites?
[02:40:29] <arti> not here, in ##
[02:40:35] <paulej72> ciri is un quieted
[02:40:36] <arti> all other channels it should be good
[02:40:47] <arti> yes... but the reason it gets quieted/kicked/banned
[02:40:55] <arti> so i've disabled it for this channel
[02:40:59] <paulej72> !time dc
[02:40:59] <Bender> nothing todo for paulej72 ;]
[02:41:12] <crutchy> !todo
[02:41:12] <Bender> todo for crutchy: 1) rewrite slashcode in assembly 2) dig up monolith on the moon 3) fuck beta 4) prepare draft RFC8008135 5) make a bash bot to have bot fights with sedbot 6) bacon+noodles 7) complete todo list items 8) goto todot item 7
[02:41:15] <juggs> I don't believe that Bender
[02:41:24] <crutchy> that damn todot
[02:41:27] <arti> is there a perl compiler?
[02:41:33] <arti> must be, perl to c
[02:41:48] <crutchy> i think perl sort of compiles anyway, no?
[02:41:56] * crutchy doesn't know anything about perl
[02:41:56] <arti> i like #6
[02:42:21] <juggs> .deop
[02:42:21] -!- mode/#Soylent [-o juggs] by juggler
[02:42:22] <paulej72> depends on the noodles
[02:42:47] <paulej72> time for bed for me. work tomorrow
[02:42:54] <crutchy> night paulej72
[02:42:56] <juggs> sleep well paulej72
[02:42:56] <arti> take care paulej72
[02:43:03] <paulej72> good noight all
[02:43:23] * crutchy offers arti a trolli lolly snake
[02:48:20] <crutchy> !ddone 5
[02:48:25] <crutchy> ~done 5
[02:48:29] <crutchy> aw fuck
[02:48:32] <crutchy> !done 5
[02:48:32] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[02:48:40] <crutchy> !done 1
[02:48:41] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[02:48:45] <crutchy> !done 8
[02:48:45] <Bender> no items deleted
[02:48:50] <crutchy> oops
[02:48:54] <crutchy> !done 1
[02:48:54] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[02:48:56] <crutchy> !done 1
[02:48:58] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[02:49:05] <crutchy> !todo
[02:49:05] <Bender> todo for crutchy: 1) prepare draft RFC8008135 2) bacon+noodles 3) complete todo list items 4) goto todot item 7
[02:49:09] <crutchy> !done 1
[02:49:09] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[02:49:11] <crutchy> !done 1
[02:49:13] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[02:49:16] <crutchy> !done 1
[02:49:17] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[02:49:21] <crutchy> !todo
[02:49:21] <Bender> todo for crutchy: 1) goto todot item 7
[02:49:25] <crutchy> !done 1
[02:49:25] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[02:49:31] <crutchy> bye bye todot
[02:51:52] * arti accepts the treat
[02:58:49] <crutchy> ~queue
[02:58:51] <exec> *** SN article queue: 6
[02:59:20] <juggs> eek
[02:59:54] <crutchy> i'm looking...
[03:00:11] <crutchy> thought i found another but i cancelled cos i think it was a supe
[03:00:16] <crutchy> s/su/du/
[03:00:17] <SedBot2> <crutchy> thought i found another but i cancelled cos i think it was a dupe
[03:02:05] <crutchy> ~queue
[03:02:08] <exec> *** SN article queue: 5
[03:02:22] <crutchy> think i found one
[03:02:26] <crutchy> http://www.smh.com.au
[03:02:32] <juggs> perhaps I should submit an Op Ed to spur some discussion around bot behaviour in official channels - or should we go with the age old wisdom that irc ops and chanops are all fascist dictators over their own little fiefdoms and everyone should just be thankful :D
[03:03:25] <crutchy> definitely the latter
[03:03:27] <crutchy> :-d
[03:03:28] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.tweaktown.com
[03:03:53] <SpallsHurgenson> and http://www.hardocp.com
[03:04:49] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, and here's one: http://www.latimes.com
[03:05:05] * SpallsHurgenson is too lazy to write summaries
[03:05:36] <crutchy> i usually just copypasta, with some minor fixups
[03:05:50] <crutchy> i try to get the hype out
[03:05:52] <SpallsHurgenson> well, knock yourself out with these :)
[03:05:55] <SpallsHurgenson> http://www.theguardian.com
[03:06:03] <juggs> I've not submitted in a while
[03:06:04] <crutchy> ew the guardian
[03:07:06] <juggs> ooh - et tu spideroak? I thought all their encryption was client side. Good job I encrypt stuff ~before~ it gets dropped into the spideroak hive
[03:13:42] <arti> http://google.com
[03:13:43] <ciri> arti: URL Title for http://google.com - 301 Moved
[03:13:54] <arti> http://www.google.com
[03:13:55] <ciri> arti: URL Title for http://www.google.com - Google
[03:20:46] <juggs> hmm... http://www.stack.nl
[03:20:47] <ciri> juggs: No title found.
[03:21:22] <juggs> ciri you lie! <HEAD><TITLE>Cmodes</TITLE>
[03:24:45] <juggs> holy hell how many scripts and cross site links are there in that guardian page??
[03:25:52] <arti> look at that markup
[03:26:07] <arti> <HTML
[03:26:08] <arti> ><HEAD
[03:26:08] <arti> ><TITLE
[03:27:20] <juggs> head should open / closed before html right? Sorry it's been a while
[03:28:53] <juggs> I'm going to chuck into the w3c validator to see just how bad it is - although as it is declared as 4.01 Transitional it's going to get some leeway I guess
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[03:31:42] <juggs> oh no, I was wrong. what's the problem with the markup arti?
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[03:39:24] <arti> did you view it?
[03:40:03] <arti> the regex i use could be adjusted, but the markup on that page is non standard
[03:44:43] <juggs> non standard in what way? w3c only gives that page 1 warning. 4.01 Transitional is deliberately lax - sure it could be argued it should die in a fire and only Strict ever be used, but there's gadzillions of pages lying around the place that will likely never be updated, so making that transitional stuff inaccessible would be tantamount to book burning :D
[03:45:03] <arti> have you looked at it?
[03:45:13] <arti> open up the page and view source
[03:45:19] <arti> i already pasted the first 3 lines
[03:45:57] <arti> why is the closing tag on a different line?
[03:46:09] <arti> the tag closing? the >
[03:47:35] <juggs> uch $deity, hang on, my isp is inserting image compression and other garbage scripts into the original html. Lemme get on an unmolested connection.
[03:48:05] <arti> eww
[03:48:11] <arti> are you using their dns servers?
[03:49:03] <juggs> hell no, I run my own bind server that talks to the root dns directly - of course that could be intercepted and mauled also
[03:50:55] <juggs> AHH! without the ISP mauling suddenly the html is readable....
[03:55:12] <juggs> arti, I take back all I said - indeed why are all the closing tags on a newline? Unless it is some odd code format obsession about indentation that dictates that the closing parenthesis have the exact same indent as the one that opened it perhaps?
[03:56:08] <arti> maybe a sloppy replace?
[03:56:39] <juggs> or the work of someone mad enough to take on the task of building an ircd :D
[03:56:48] * juggs glances at xlefay
[03:56:56] <juggs> hehe j/k
[03:57:33] * juggs adds to todo - Tunnel Everything
[04:06:43] <juggs> I also retract my previous "et tu Spideroak" comment having read TFA. I'm still going to continue encrypting my stuff before it gets dropped into the spideroak hive. And no - I don't use the "hive" word in a deleterious sense there, it's spideroak's own terminology.
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[04:51:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Space Station Cargo Ship Activities to Air on NASA TV - http://sylnt.us - to-ganymede-and-titan
[04:51:17] <ciri> Bender: No title found.
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[05:04:13] <ar> hehe, i love the look of server fortunes in the morning: http://dpaste.com
[05:04:14] <ciri> ar: No title found.
[05:04:45] <ar> juggs: xhtml-1.1-strict 4 life! ;)
[05:07:34] <juggs> ar, ugg no, html 4.01 Strict was where I left that standards train - at least with that things would mostly render right in most browsers without too much knobbing about with browser detection. I've no idea what state html 5 is in. I think I'm past caring,
[05:18:24] <arti> juggs all you do is this <!DOCTYPE html>
[05:18:34] <arti> it'll degrade to whatever
[05:22:11] <juggs> arti, all I do, is not care - the www is fatally wounded or ill on the whole, it's a zombie wandering around with maggots hanging out of its corpse that refuses to die. I have no doubt it will shuffle on however.
[05:23:45] <arti> http://www.youtube.com
[05:23:47] <ciri> arti: Hack the Planet - YouTube
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[05:52:24] <mrcoolbp> Hack the Planet!
[06:03:27] <arti> o/ hack the planet!
[06:03:32] * arti rifles through trash
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[07:01:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Filecoin: A Cryptocurrency-Operated File Storage Network - http://sylnt.us - Change-in-the-Sofa
[07:01:57] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03822.173ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/n263od3 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | Filecoin: A Cryptocurrency-Operated File Storage Network
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[07:03:50] <arti> greetings Subsentient
[07:04:08] <Subsentient> hi atrt
[07:04:10] <Subsentient> arti
[07:04:34] <arti> atrt were special imperial walkers
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[07:32:04] <crutchy> robot_camels
[07:32:08] <crutchy> robot_camels++
[07:32:08] <Bender> karma - robot_camels: 1
[07:39:20] * arti hears saudi music
[07:39:28] <arti> wonder of they race them down the road and try and drift
[07:40:49] <crutchy> that might have been unsafe and stupid, but damn it looked awesome!
[07:41:55] <crutchy> i've seen rally drivers spin in a straight line 180 deg on dirt, but never seen like a 720 deg spin in straight line on a highway like that
[07:42:34] <crutchy> i was sorta wondering whether it was real
[07:43:01] <arti> lol
[07:43:40] <crutchy> maybe it was tyrone... he's done a rally drivin course
[07:44:07] <arti> see what happens when you hassle me?
[07:44:23] <crutchy> don't move it. people 'll see the damage
[07:44:38] <crutchy> what'd you do that for?
[07:45:06] <crutchy> just stop that dog, dribblin on my seats
[07:48:11] * arti watches the video again
[07:59:44] <crutchy> ~time dc
[07:59:45] <exec> [Google] 3:59am Monday (EDT) - Time in Washington, DC, USA
[08:17:45] <crutchy> ~queue
[08:17:48] <exec> *** SN article queue: 7
[08:17:55] <arti> today's magic number
[08:18:27] <crutchy> seems to be
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[08:39:01] <NCommander> Wow
[08:39:05] <NCommander> that's pathetic
[08:39:10] * NCommander notes slashdot.org broke their subscriptions page
[08:42:20] <prospectacle> hi ncommander. medium time no see
[08:43:32] <NCommander> prospectacle, I've been having RL issues
[08:43:49] <NCommander> I'm trying to be semi-productive tonight
[08:44:19] <prospectacle> Well it's good of you to pop in. I hope everything is ok.
[08:44:54] <prospectacle> Good luck, I'm also trying to be semi-productive. I figure even a little time each day keeps the momentum going.
[08:45:33] <prospectacle> I don't know why I log into irc and then try to be productive. I guess the theory is, if I can do that, I can do anything.
[08:45:46] <crutchy> i fell asleep
[08:46:22] <prospectacle> morning crutchy
[08:46:25] <prospectacle> it's 20 years in the future
[08:46:57] <crutchy> hi prospectacle :-)
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[08:49:54] <prospectacle> good old SN where else would i learn about the interplanetary file system
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[09:03:46] <crutchy> hi kobach
[09:04:09] <crutchy> hi Konomi even
[09:04:14] <Konomi> no crutchy
[09:04:15] <Konomi> ;p
[09:04:31] <Konomi> didn't even need to wonder which nick to type ;p
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[09:12:22] <NCommander> paulej72, Jul 21 09:11:52 fluorine kernel: [8431720.294635] type=1400 audit(1405933912.542:103733): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="/srv/soylentnews.org/apache/bin/httpd" name="/srv/soylentnews.org/.my.cnf" pid=14814 comm="httpd" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=2519 ouid=0
[09:12:28] <NCommander> paulej72, I found out why .my.cnf was being ignored -_-;
[09:12:33] <NCommander> "oops"
[09:16:30] <NCommander> Shit
[09:16:33] <NCommander> Gluster lost its mind
[09:16:39] * NCommander noticied partial corruption issues
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[09:42:08] <NCommander> and I broke it
[09:42:09] <NCommander> Fuck
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[09:51:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - UK Pirates to Receive Educational Emails but Won't be Punished for Ignoring them - http://sylnt.us - guilty-without-chance-to-prove-innocence
[09:51:03] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03458.059ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/pwvobvg 14 )[1]: 03503 Service Unavailable
[09:53:45] <NCommander> Yeah, fuck, this is bad
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[10:28:53] <Bytram> coffee++
[10:28:53] <Bender> karma - coffee: 419
[10:29:06] <Bytram> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[10:29:09] <exec> Weather for "TheMightyBuzzard" not found. Check spelling or try another nearby location.
[10:29:22] <Bytram> ~weather crutchy
[10:29:27] <exec> Weather for Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 2014-07-21 08:00:00 (UTC) ~ 2.5 hrs ago:
[10:29:27] <exec> temperature = 45.9°F (7.7°C) dewpoint = 42.8°F (6°C)
[10:29:28] <exec> barometric pressure = 1025 mb ~ change of 0.8 mb over past 3 hrs relative humdity = 88%
[10:29:28] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 0°
[10:29:42] <Bytram> another chilly one there.
[10:29:48] <Bytram> ~weather Portland, Maine
[10:29:55] <exec> Weather for South Portland, ME US at 2014-07-21 09:52:00 (UTC) ~ 0.6 hrs ago:
[10:29:55] <exec> temperature = 56°F (13.3°C) dewpoint = 55.7°F (13.2°C)
[10:29:55] <exec> barometric pressure = 1022.2 mb ~ change of 0.1 mb over past 0.5 hrs relative humdity = 98%
[10:29:55] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 320°
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[10:30:00] <crutchy> i'm sweating though
[10:30:12] <crutchy> stupid bug
[10:30:15] <Bytram> must be those regexp's =)
[10:30:22] <crutchy> lol
[10:30:39] <Bytram> I don't know about you, but I had fun with that yesterday!
[10:30:39] <crutchy> nah i just got a bit of nan flu
[10:30:45] <Bytram> buggers
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[10:30:49] <crutchy> *man
[10:31:14] <Bytram> "man flu
[10:31:17] <Bytram> "man flu"??
[10:32:12] <Bytram> crutchy: hope you're feeling better, soon.
[10:33:32] <Bytram> 123ABC456
[10:33:35] <crutchy> thanks Bytram. gots my antibioticals so they're no doubt getting their punch on with whatever's in there
[10:34:10] <Bytram> s/^([0-9]+.)(.)(.*)$/\1X\2/
[10:34:10] <SedBot2> <Bytram> 123AXB
[10:34:21] <Bytram> nod nod
[10:34:38] <Bytram> looks like the main site got its knickers in a twist there for a bit.
[10:34:47] <Bytram> I see that the rssbot is down.
[10:34:50] <crutchy> ncommander was here
[10:35:06] <Bytram> yeah, but he's the one who put it back together.
[10:35:20] <crutchy> ~sedbot-talk biab
[10:35:21] <SedBot2> biab
[10:35:24] <crutchy> ~q
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[10:37:07] <Bytram> afk brb
[10:37:24] <crutchy> ~sedbot-ii
[10:38:58] <NCommander> crutchy, the site blew up for a bit
[10:39:01] * NCommander swears more
[10:39:21] <crutchy> ~ps
[10:39:23] <exec> [19989] ii -s irc.sylnt.us -p 6667 -n SedBot2 -f SedBot2
[10:39:35] <crutchy> ~sedbot-join
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[10:40:36] <NCommander> paulej72, what's the best way to mark new CPAN dependences
[10:40:39] <NCommander> I'm adding one for DateTime::Format::MySQL
[10:40:50] <NCommander> Not rising writing broken date code
[10:44:04] <Bytram> NCommander: any idea of what blew up the site?
[10:44:10] <NCommander> Bytram, no idea
[10:44:20] <NCommander> POssibly a slight mismatch on gluster versions
[10:44:30] <NCommander> boron was running a *slightly* newer gluster than the frontend nodes
[10:45:19] <Bytram> hmmm.
[10:48:58] * Bytram notes it would be helpful to have a diagnostic script that: 1.) Pings all the boxes, 2.) Get's the tail of all logs, 3.) Gets versions of all 'component' programs, 4.) Does a ps of all required processes, 5.) and posts a summary to a file. Then just need a bot sitting on a #status channel to put out what it finds.
[10:50:19] <Bytram> I'm handy with shell scripts and would love to help, just lack knowledge of what to query, and probably also lack the needed privs to query them. :(
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[11:05:19] <NCommander> Bytram, icinga basically does that
[11:05:27] <NCommander> I need to relocate, battery nearly dead, and I need to find an outlet
[11:05:34] <NCommander> Possibly at Carr's, or something
[11:05:36] <Bytram> nod nod on both
[11:05:41] <NCommander> Very little 24/7 shit in Anchorage
[11:05:44] <NCommander> And I don't want to go home
[11:05:51] <Bytram> yuppers
[11:05:58] <Bytram> what time is it there?
[11:06:06] <NCommander> 03:06
[11:06:14] <NCommander> That and my bike's gearshift is having issues
[11:06:17] <NCommander> Its stuck in low gear
[11:06:27] <NCommander> Can't get it to shift out of it
[11:06:36] <Bytram> ouch. I guess that's better than being stuck in the top gear, though.
[11:06:41] <NCommander> Yeah
[11:06:46] <Bytram> 10-speed?
[11:06:49] <NCommander> 3/8
[11:06:53] <NCommander> The low gear is stuck
[11:06:55] <Bytram> i.e. two deraillures (sp?)
[11:07:03] <NCommander> I think the front derailuer is out of alignment
[11:07:09] <NCommander> Since it doesn't catch trying to gear up
[11:07:18] * Bytram offers a hammer to beat it into shape.
[11:07:20] <NCommander> THe back one works fine, but I have to ride in 1/6-8
[11:07:23] <crutchy> bytram... got a bit of a sedbot issue
[11:07:36] <NCommander> Anyway, need to pay my bill and vanish into the night
[11:07:37] <NCommander> BBL
[11:07:47] <crutchy> $ tail -Fn1 ~/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#soylent/out | ./sedbot.awk outfile=~/irc/irc.sylnt.us/#soylent/in
[11:07:47] <crutchy> gawk: ./sedbot.awk:36: fatal: Invalid range end: /^([A-}][-0-9A-}]*)[:,] s(.*)/
[11:08:02] <Bytram> NCommander: thanks a BUNCH for bring us back up!
[11:08:04] <Bytram> ttyl
[11:08:09] <Bytram> NCommander++
[11:08:09] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 35
[11:08:11] <Bytram> NCommander++
[11:08:11] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 36
[11:08:12] <crutchy> haven't changed the code (except add a couple of comments)
[11:08:26] * Bytram notes that just 7 more and he'll have the answers to *everything*
[11:08:32] <crutchy> lol
[11:08:36] <crutchy> NCommander++
[11:08:36] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 37
[11:08:36] * Bytram goes to fetch popcorn
[11:08:48] <Bytram> crutchy: sedbot issues?
[11:09:04] <crutchy> trying to "migrate" sedbot to my webserver
[11:09:16] <crutchy> but get the error above
[11:09:25] * Bytram retrieves hammer from NCommander and kindly offers it to crutchy
[11:09:35] <Bytram> what error?
[11:09:42] <crutchy> fatal: Invalid range end: /^([A-}][-0-9A-}]*)[:,] s(.*)/
[11:09:47] <Bytram> oh, now I see it... hold on
[11:10:21] <crutchy> i googled and there is suggestion that maybe its related to gawk version or lang environment variable
[11:10:26] <Bytram> crutchy: yup, that regexp got BUTCHERED
[11:10:35] <crutchy> oh?
[11:10:48] <Bytram> what was it *trying* to do? Do you have a prior version to look at?
[11:11:03] <crutchy> that's the original version
[11:11:13] <crutchy> runs fine on my lappy
[11:11:15] <Bytram> crutchy: sense. no. makes.
[11:11:43] <Bytram> how about some context? A few lines before and after?
[11:12:07] <crutchy> i think its this one: https://github.com
[11:12:21] <Bytram> crutchy: that could *never* have worked; that regexp is so far off, it's not even *wrong*
[11:12:32] <Bytram> on my way. brb
[11:14:03] <Bytram> what you pasted here, and what I see in the source are *very* different.
[11:14:09] <Bytram> line 30, right?
[11:14:42] <Bytram> crutchy: from your link, line 30 contains:
[11:14:42] <Bytram> line ~ /^([\x41-\x7D][-0-9\x41-\x7D]*)[:,] s(.*)/ {
[11:15:15] <crutchy> ah
[11:15:25] <crutchy> i'm thinking it might be lang env var
[11:16:44] <crutchy> hmm they're both the same on my lappy and server
[11:17:12] <Bytram> what you posted here ain't like that at all:
[11:17:13] <Bytram> fatal: Invalid range end: /^([A-}][-0-9A-}]*)[:,] s(.*)/
[11:17:16] <TheMightyBuzzard|Fishing> coffee++
[11:17:16] <Bender> karma - coffee: 420
[11:17:49] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard|Fishing: you need a shorter nick; it extends into my time-stamp column =)
[11:18:03] TheMightyBuzzard|Fishing is now known as TheMightyBuzzard|
[11:18:10] TheMightyBuzzard| is now known as TheMightyBuzzard
[11:18:21] <Bytram> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[11:18:29] <exec> Weather for Ada, Ada Municipal Airport, OK, United States at 2014-07-21 10:55:00 (UTC) ~ 0.4 hrs ago:
[11:18:30] <exec> temperature = 68°F (20°C) dewpoint = 68°F (20°C)
[11:18:30] <exec> barometric pressure = 1016.9 mb ~ change of 0.3 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 100%
[11:18:30] <exec> wind speed = 7 mph (11.2 km/h) wind direction = 140°
[11:18:56] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: looks like it's a bit sticky your way.
[11:20:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> just a bit, yep
[11:21:00] <Bytram> is it raining, or just fixing to?
[11:21:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> neither, it just got down to the dewpoint, so dew on everything.
[11:21:41] <Bytram> nod no
[11:21:43] <Bytram> nod nod
[11:22:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> maybe a bit o fog, didn't notice while i was on my search for coffee.
[11:22:31] <crutchy> hmm its somehow reading /^([\x41-\x7D][-0-9\x41-\x7D]*)[:,] s(.*)/ as /^([A-}][-0-9A-}]*)[:,] s(.*)/
[11:22:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, what're you breaking now?
[11:22:54] <crutchy> sedbot
[11:23:21] <crutchy> its reading \x41 as A
[11:23:40] <Bytram> fwiw, "\x7D" == "}" but I don't know how you're making it interpret that as such.
[11:23:51] <Bytram> ditto, "\x41" == "A"
[11:23:59] <crutchy> i dunno either :-p
[11:24:14] <crutchy> is there a gawk flag i'm missing in the command line maybe?
[11:24:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> um, it's doing what you told it
[11:24:22] <Bytram> type the file to your terminal window and see if it's all right in there.
[11:24:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> exactly what you told it
[11:24:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> putting \x41 in is the same as putting A in
[11:25:30] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: well, yes and no. the file is supposed to look like: https://github.com
[11:26:05] <Bytram> but when he goes to launch it, he gets an error:
[11:26:05] <Bytram> fatal: Invalid range end: /^([A-}][-0-9A-}]*)[:,] s(.*)/
[11:26:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> match everything but the nick then
[11:26:41] <crutchy> it runs fine on my laptop with no changes. only difference is machines that its run on
[11:26:44] <Bytram> to see if it *has* a nick, yes. It's in line 30 of the referenced file;
[11:26:53] * crutchy checks gawk versions
[11:27:08] <Bytram> crutchy: type the file to the screen on the new system and make sure that what you think should be in there actually is
[11:27:26] <Bytram> head -35 sedbot.awk | tail
[11:27:29] <crutchy> checked out the file in nano and it looks ok
[11:27:35] <crutchy> oh i'll try that
[11:27:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> actually match everything but the colon or comma and save to two temp variables
[11:27:56] <Bytram> well, something is NOT good. so by dropping out of nano, that removes one possibility.
[11:28:10] <crutchy> jared@squishy:/var/include/vhosts/irciv.us.to/inc$ head -35 sedbot.awk | tail
[11:28:10] <crutchy> taunt[tolower(user)]+=1.5;
[11:28:10] <crutchy> lineout("",gensub("#",tauntuser(user),"g",slash_msg[int(rand()*rand()*slash_n+1)]),1);
[11:28:10] <crutchy> }
[11:28:10] <crutchy> line ~ /^([\x41-\x7D][-0-9\x41-\x7D]*)[:,] s(.*)/ {
[11:28:11] <crutchy> repluser=gensub(/^([\x41-\x7D][-0-9\x41-\x7D]*)[:,] s(.*)/,"\\1",1,line);
[11:28:13] <crutchy> line=gensub(/^([\x41-\x7D][-0-9\x41-\x7D]*)[:,] (s.*)/,"\\2",1,line);
[11:28:19] <crutchy> print repluser ": " line "\n" >"/dev/stderr";
[11:28:21] <crutchy> }
[11:28:23] <crutchy> line ~ /^s/ {
[11:28:25] <crutchy> sep=substr(line,2,1);
[11:28:27] <crutchy> looks normal to me :-/
[11:28:44] <Bytram> do you have md5sum on both systems?
[11:28:54] <Bytram> md5sum sedbot.awk
[11:29:13] <Bytram> do that on both systems and compare to make sure you've got the exact same thing in both places.
[11:29:58] <crutchy> 079743337f40e0461c4fb383184e45c5 sedbot.awk << lappy
[11:30:11] <crutchy> 079743337f40e0461c4fb383184e45c5 sedbot.awk << server
[11:30:19] * Bytram agrees that the pasted code looks okay...
[11:30:25] <Bytram> okay, they match. good.
[11:30:33] <Bytram> what OS are you running on each?
[11:30:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> what'd you change whilst i was sleeping?
[11:30:47] <Bytram> phase of the moon
[11:31:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> worked yesterday, stopped working today?
[11:31:07] <Bytram> too bad you missed it. =)
[11:31:31] <crutchy> Linux debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.60-1+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux << lappy
[11:31:40] <Bytram> he's trying to bring it over to his server from his laptop (so it is generally more available)
[11:31:53] <crutchy> Linux squishy 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Tue May 13 16:33:32 UTC 2014 i686 GNU/Linux << server
[11:32:03] <crutchy> server is bit older
[11:32:07] <Bytram> hmmm,
[11:32:18] <crutchy> both debian though
[11:32:18] <Bytram> what locale do you have set?
[11:32:40] <Bytram> check your environment variables... LC_*
[11:33:29] <crutchy> echo $LANG
[11:33:29] <crutchy> en_AU.UTF-8 << both
[11:33:32] <crutchy> umm
[11:33:44] * crutchy 's shell-foo is poor
[11:33:54] <Bytram> set | grep "LC"
[11:33:59] <Bytram> ^^^ try that
[11:34:36] <crutchy> local LC_CTYPE=C; for server
[11:35:36] <crutchy> woah
[11:35:38] <crutchy> for i in $(LC_ALL=C $prog --help);
[11:35:38] <crutchy> for i in $(LC_ALL=C $prog --usage);
[11:35:38] <crutchy> local LC_CTYPE=C;
[11:35:38] <crutchy> __grubcomp "$(LC_ALL=C $prog --help | awk -F ":" '/available formats/ { print $2 }' | sed 's/, / /g')";
[11:35:38] <crutchy> __grubcomp "$(LC_ALL=C $prog --help | awk -F "[()]" '/--target=/ { print $2 }' | sed 's/|/ /g')";
[11:35:41] <crutchy> COMPREPLY+=($( compgen -W "$( PATH="$PATH:/sbin" LC_ALL=C ifconfig -a |
[11:35:49] <crutchy> lappy spat this out ^
[11:35:54] <Bytram> nod nod
[11:36:10] <Bytram> crutchy: spit back at it to remind it who's boss!
[11:36:58] <crutchy> i guess 3rd line says same though'
[11:37:14] <stderr_dk> awk -W version ?
[11:37:51] <crutchy> GNU Awk 3.1.7 << server
[11:38:16] <stderr_dk> Probably mawk on Debian.
[11:38:19] <crutchy> GNU Awk 4.0.1 << lappy
[11:38:26] <stderr_dk> Or not...
[11:38:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> that could be the prollem. major version change
[11:38:35] <Bytram> nod nod
[11:38:44] <crutchy> top of sedbot.awk has #!/usr/bin/gawk -f
[11:38:51] <Bytram> lots of improvements between the two, especially with i18n support
[11:39:04] <Bytram> that just says where to find gawk
[11:39:25] <crutchy> mkay
[11:39:40] <crutchy> maybe i need to update my server a bit :-0d
[11:39:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> worth a shot
[11:40:00] <Bytram> yup
[11:40:13] <Bytram> where does your sedbot.awk script live?
[11:40:41] <crutchy> /var/include/vhosts/irciv.us.to/inc << server
[11:40:59] <Bytram> bring down an up-to-date gawk and put it in the same dir...
[11:41:24] <crutchy> mkay i'll try that
[11:41:41] <crutchy> distupgrade is long wait
[11:41:45] <Bytram> then change the header to: #!/var/include/vhosts/irciv.us.to/inc/gawk -f
[11:41:50] <crutchy> yup
[11:42:00] <stderr_dk> [A-}] is a bit ugly, if you ask me... But [-0-9A-}] is even worse...
[11:42:12] <Bytram> that way, if it blows up, you haven't destroyed the rest of your system which may be expecting the 'old' behavior
[11:42:28] <stderr_dk> Is that "everything up to an including 0", "-", "9" and "A to }"?
[11:42:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas not ugly, thas precise
[11:42:33] <Bytram> stderr_dk: see: https://github.com
[11:42:56] <stderr_dk> [\-0-9A-}] would be nicer...
[11:43:04] <Bytram> stderr_dk: what you're seeing is part of the error message text. see line 30 in the above link...
[11:43:18] <Bytram> stderr_dk: actually, here it is: line ~ /^([\x41-\x7D][-0-9\x41-\x7D]*)[:,] s(.*)/ {
[11:43:54] <stderr_dk> I would still escape the first - in [-0-9\x41-\x7D]
[11:44:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> no need
[11:44:36] <Bytram> stderr_dk: why? that's pretty much the standard way to indicate that a hyphen should be included in the pattern, rather than being a meta character for a range
[11:45:18] <stderr_dk> Ok, I have just been bitten by something like that before...
[11:45:48] <Bytram> oh yeah, regexp bites leave a long-lasting scarr!
[11:46:24] <Bytram> Bytram: s/rr/rs/
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[11:46:46] <Bytram> this that these those
[11:46:55] <Bytram> s/th/X/g
[11:47:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> well hell. my pooch screwage on branching cost me dynamic rss that i'll now have to redo.
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[11:48:04] <Bytram> stderr_dk: btw, thanks again for the searching script!
[11:48:27] <stderr_dk> Bytram: No problem... Did it work?
[11:48:40] * Bytram has been futzing with it trying to get some issues worked out but doesn't really know javascript that well. :/
[11:49:07] <Bytram> it seems to not get the value of 'hide' when in the function... always comes through as undefined.
[11:49:36] <Bytram> I've hacked at it and it seems to now get the value of 'reverse' okay.
[11:50:09] <Bytram> just for fun and a challenge, I tried adding a 'Reset' button to remove all the display attrs and restore things to unfiltered
[11:50:54] <Bytram> I prolly should dispense with the <link blah blah blah> in the HTML and just imbed everything local for dev purposes.
[11:51:11] <Bytram> but, I'm having fun and learning things as I play with it!
[11:51:18] <stderr_dk> Hmm, it shouldn't get the value of 'hide', but true or false depending on it being 1 or not.
[11:51:43] <Bytram> nod nod; always came through as false (IIRC).
[11:52:00] * Bytram suffered through bunches of alert statements trying to debug it
[11:53:36] <stderr_dk> Maybe try a typeof(document.forms["search_form"].hide.value)
[11:53:44] <Bytram> btw, I don't know if I made it clear, but the idea with having the two sets of radio buttons was so that I could take something that was hidden and make it visible again.
[11:53:58] <stderr_dk> But if you got reverse working, just do the same for hide. :-)
[11:54:25] <Bytram> yeah, so I thought... but the 'same thing' in two different places didn't work the same. :/
[11:54:48] <Bytram> or, maybe it was not working... let me run a couple quick tests. brb
[11:55:19] <stderr_dk> When I tried it, I could first hide e.g. everything matching /./ and then show everything matching /green/i and that seemed to work.
[11:56:08] <Bytram> stderr_dk: ahhh, nope. neither button's value is making it through. Both appear in the function as 'false'
[11:56:28] <Bytram> let me double check that (as it was from memory)
[11:56:50] <stderr_dk> What browser?
[11:57:19] <stderr_dk> It was a bit of a quick job, so I only tested it in chromium.
[11:57:35] <Bytram> firefox 24.6.0 (long term stable)
[11:57:53] <crutchy> ~sed on
[11:57:54] <exec> sed enabled for 8#Soylent
[11:58:02] <crutchy> ~ps
[11:58:03] <exec> [19989] ii -s irc.sylnt.us -p 6667 -n SedBot2 -f SedBot2
[11:58:12] <crutchy> ~kill 19989
[11:58:14] -!- SedBot2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[11:58:14] <exec> successfully terminated process with pid = 19989
[11:58:37] <stderr_dk> ~kill -9 -1
[11:58:57] <crutchy> Bytram, doing a dist-upgrade
[11:59:05] <Bytram> nod nod
[11:59:05] <crutchy> there were a few dependency issues
[11:59:37] <crutchy> my old webserver doesn't get much love
[12:00:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Ditches Android after Four-month Fling - http://sylnt.us - Embrace-Extend-Evacuate
[12:00:42] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03784.962ms. 14/ 12http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/07/21/0239200&from=rss 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | Microsoft Ditches Android after Four-month Fling
[12:01:05] <stderr_dk> Bytram: I'll take a look at it later. Right now I'm not in a coding-mood. If I were, I would do some of my own stuff.
[12:02:18] <Bytram> stderr_dk: ok, (*) Show, (*) DO match: /Steel/ when I enter the table_search function the first time, I see that: search=/Steel/, hide=false, and reverse=false
[12:02:45] <Bytram> stderr_dk: Oh, no problem! Thanks so much for your help!!!!
[12:03:08] <Bytram> I've learned a *lot* by playing around with it -- you gave me a great foundation to work from!
[12:04:07] <stderr_dk> Ok, search, hide and reverse is as the should be for that query.
[12:05:04] <stderr_dk> But that query won't do much as everything is already shown from the start.
[12:05:10] <Bytram> same query, but changed to (*) Hide, instead. same results.
[12:05:18] <stderr_dk> You're asking it to show what's already shown.
[12:05:22] <Bytram> ooops, hold on.
[12:06:42] <Bytram> ok, I had hacked some of the *behavior* within the table_search function, but the incoming args are as before -- unchanged
[12:07:24] <stderr_dk> You didn't change the id of the form, did you?
[12:07:46] <Bytram> stderr_dk: just double-checked for all 4 permutations of show/hide do/donot and always got hide=false, reverse=false
[12:07:59] <Bytram> lemme check... I don't think so
[12:08:15] <stderr_dk> <stderr_dk> Maybe try a typeof(document.forms["search_form"].hide.value)
[12:08:25] <Bytram> <form id="search_form">
[12:08:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice, dynamic rss n atom feeds from index.pl for anonymous users = working
[12:09:07] <Bytram> stderr_dk: ok... brb
[12:09:10] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: YAY!
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[12:10:45] <Bytram> stderr_dk: undefined
[12:11:26] <stderr_dk> What about just document.forms["search_form"].hide.value ?
[12:11:44] <stderr_dk> And if that's also undefined, what about document.forms["search_form"].hide ?
[12:13:02] <crutchy> does document.getElementById("search_form").hide work?
[12:13:25] * crutchy is reading backlog
[12:14:07] <stderr_dk> crutchy: The weird thing is document.forms["search_form"].search.value does work...
[12:14:36] <Bytram> trying...
[12:14:43] * crutchy uses js only minimally
[12:14:47] <stderr_dk> But then again, "search" is a text field, while "hide" are two radio buttons.
[12:15:32] <crutchy> i prefer document.getElementById("search_form").style.display="none"
[12:15:33] <Bytram> document.forms["search_form"].hide = [object NodeList]
[12:15:48] <Bytram> the .hide.value = undefined
[12:15:49] <crutchy> ah
[12:15:58] <stderr_dk> crutchy: Hide is not for the form...
[12:16:19] <crutchy> hide is the name of a radio button
[12:16:21] <stderr_dk> It's a switch in the form, hide or show "something".
[12:16:23] <crutchy> sorry :-P
[12:17:10] <stderr_dk> Bytram: Ah... .hide are both radio buttons... (I guess...)
[12:17:25] * Bytram scurries to look
[12:17:32] <crutchy> can you give each radio button an id?
[12:17:46] <stderr_dk> Bytram: It's way to hot to be thinking right now. I'll have to look at it later.
[12:17:53] <stderr_dk> Right now I'm busy melting...
[12:18:02] <crutchy> ~weather stderr_dk
[12:18:05] <exec> Weather for "stderr_dk" not found. Check spelling or try another nearby location.
[12:18:06] <Bytram> much obliged for the extra effort!!!!!
[12:18:14] <Bytram> ~weather stderr
[12:18:19] <exec> Weather for "stderr" not found. Check spelling or try another nearby location.
[12:18:19] <stderr_dk> crutchy: It'll be a bit ugly and you might as well just use .hide[0].value or something instead.
[12:18:25] <stderr_dk> ~weather CPH
[12:18:28] <exec> Weather for Koebenhavn / Kastrup, Denmark at 2014-07-21 11:50:00 (UTC) ~ 0.5 hrs ago:
[12:18:28] <exec> temperature = 78.8°F (26°C) dewpoint = 55.4°F (13°C)
[12:18:29] <exec> barometric pressure = 1017 mb ~ change of 0 mb over past 0.5 hrs relative humdity = 44%
[12:18:29] <exec> wind speed = 10 mph (16 km/h) wind direction = 80°
[12:18:41] <crutchy> can use array elements in id as well i think
[12:18:59] <Bytram> that's nice and warm but not *too* humid.
[12:19:11] <crutchy> 26 would be perfect right now
[12:19:16] <crutchy> ~weather crutchy
[12:19:19] <exec> Weather for Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 2014-07-21 11:00:00 (UTC) ~ 1.3 hrs ago:
[12:19:19] <exec> temperature = 41.7°F (5.4°C) dewpoint = 41.5°F (5.3°C)
[12:19:19] <exec> barometric pressure = 1025.3 mb ~ change of 0.3 mb over past 3 hrs relative humdity = 99%
[12:19:19] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 0°
[12:19:27] <Bytram> crutchy: dispense with the id and go straight to the ego! =)
[12:19:33] <stderr_dk> It's way too hot for me.
[12:19:44] <Bytram> ~weather Boston
[12:19:49] <exec> Weather for Boston, MA US at 2014-07-21 11:50:00 (UTC) ~ 0.5 hrs ago:
[12:19:49] <exec> temperature = 65°F (18.3°C) dewpoint = 61.7°F (16.5°C)
[12:19:50] <exec> barometric pressure = 1022.9 mb ~ change of 0.3 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 88%
[12:19:50] <exec> wind speed = 1 mph (1.6 km/h) wind direction = 36°
[12:20:03] <Bytram> ~weather Anchorage
[12:20:06] <exec> Weather for Anchorage, AK US at 2014-07-21 11:55:00 (UTC) ~ 0.4 hrs ago:
[12:20:06] <crutchy> 18 would be nice too
[12:20:06] <exec> temperature = 54°F (12.2°C) dewpoint = 45.2°F (7.3°C)
[12:20:06] <exec> barometric pressure = 1015.6 mb ~ change of 0.1 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 72%
[12:20:06] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 340°
[12:20:39] <crutchy> aw fuck i'd rather be in alaska right now :-/
[12:21:32] <crutchy> ~queue
[12:21:33] <Bytram> yeah, but the sun's up almost all the time; would be nice to see, I suppose, but I like it *dark* when I want to sleep.
[12:21:35] <exec> *** SN article queue: 11
[12:21:41] <Bytram> cute
[12:21:44] <crutchy> ooh getting better
[12:22:08] <crutchy> was down to 5 today
[12:22:27] <Bytram> http://phys.org Seeing Earth as an exoplanet: What signs of life are visible?
[12:22:28] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03609.401ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/jwv3frb 14 )[1]: 03Seeing Earth as an exoplanet: What signs of life are visible?
[12:22:50] <NCommander> I've got to get this post finished today
[12:22:53] <Bytram> is ciri supposed to serve some purpose?
[12:24:50] <crutchy> ciri is just awesome
[12:24:59] <Bytram> crutchy: oh, for what?
[12:25:18] <crutchy> for random shit :-d
[12:25:50] <Bytram> speaking of which... I'll be back in a while
[12:25:56] Bytram is now known as Bytram|afk
[12:26:07] <crutchy> thanks for hlep with sedbot btw :-)
[12:26:17] <crutchy> s/hle/hel/
[12:26:18] <exec> <crutchy> thanks for help with sedbot btw :-)
[12:26:19] <Bytram|afk> crutchy: you're welcome... how's it working now?
[12:26:28] <crutchy> still doing dist-upgrade
[12:26:32] <crutchy> will be a while
[12:27:15] * Bytram|afk just realized that another approach to testing it would have been to take a copy of your 'old' version of gawk back to your lappy and see if that recreates the problem.
[12:27:24] <Bytram|afk> crutchy: nod nod
[12:28:13] <stderr_dk> Bytram|afk: Try document.forms["search_form"].hide[1].checked instead of (document.forms["search_form"].hide.value=="1")
[12:28:35] <stderr_dk> Bytram|afk: And if that works... document.forms["search_form"].reverse[1].checked instead of (document.forms["search_form"].reverse.value=="1")
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[12:31:41] <stderr_dk> Bytram|afk: Or document.forms["search_form"].elements.hide.value
[12:31:51] <stderr_dk> Bytram|afk: Or maybe document.forms["search_form"].elements["hide"].value
[12:32:06] * stderr_dk is melting... Melting...
[12:32:08] <stderr_dk> Argh...
[12:37:22] <crutchy> document.getElementById("hide[1]").checked
[12:37:25] <crutchy> might work too
[12:37:47] <crutchy> if you give your hide radio buttons id="hide[1]" etc
[12:39:00] * crutchy has used that approach to dynamically generate a form with an unknown number of checkboxes
[12:42:17] <Bytram|afk> stderr_dk: oooh. hide[1].checked came back 'true' !!
[12:42:24] Bytram|afk is now known as Bytram
[12:42:28] <NCommander> I'm making progress on this post
[12:42:29] <Bytram> brb
[12:42:29] <NCommander> Ugh
[12:42:36] <Bytram> NCommander++
[12:42:36] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 38
[12:42:38] <NCommander> Bytram, I'm going to have something for you to edit in an hour or so
[12:42:45] <Bytram> oh goody!
[12:42:51] <Bytram> lol!
[12:43:27] * Bytram has a rough draft of Rules of Order for Board Meetings to make another pass through and then post on the wiki for comments.
[12:45:01] <Bytram> stderr_dk: I may have spoken too soon. that was from *within* the table_search function.
[12:45:32] * Bytram ponders... I think I've got the stuff I need, just need to figure out how to put it together. back in a bit
[12:47:05] <NCommander> Bytram, I've got the GNUcash file updated and uploaded
[12:47:23] <Bytram> NCommander: where's it at?
[12:48:49] <NCommander> Bytram, http://staff.soylentnews.org
[12:48:52] <ciri> 14Title(03iso8859-1 14/ 03184.351ms. 14/ 12http://staff.soylentnews.org/~mcasadevall/site_expenses.gnucash 14 )[0]: 03No title Size: 038.792Kb14.
[12:48:59] <NCommander> actually, I should timestamp that
[12:49:04] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:49:17] <Bytram> do I have to have GNUcash installed to view it?
[12:49:29] <NCommander> Bytram, unfortunately
[12:49:36] <NCommander> I'm going to summarize the data though in the post
[12:50:11] <Bytram> NCommander: propose that all files have iso8601-style dates in them... site_expenses.20140721_12501.gnucash
[12:50:19] <Bytram> NCommander: k
[12:51:29] <Bytram> !woop
[12:51:30] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[12:51:55] <Bytram> stderr_dk: now i'm getting the full truth-table values of hide and reverse coming into the function!
[12:52:04] <Bytram> I should be able to take it from here, now.
[12:52:18] * Bytram hopes those aren't 'famous last words' =)
[12:52:28] <Bytram> stderr_dk: thanks SO MUCH for your help!
[12:52:31] <Bytram> stderr_dk++
[12:52:31] <Bender> karma - stderr_dk: 1
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[12:52:38] <Bytram> stderr++
[12:52:38] <Bender> karma - stderr: 43
[12:52:42] <Bytram> that's better
[12:52:54] * Bytram goes in search of GNUcash for windows
[12:53:26] * crutchy tried gnucash years ago. no doubt it has improved a lot
[12:54:48] <NCommander> Trying to figure out how best to word this
[12:55:06] <Bytram> NCommander: what version of GNUcash are you running?
[12:56:50] <NCommander> Bytram, 2.6.1
[12:57:10] <Bytram> okay... it looks like 2.6.3 is now up.
[12:58:35] <Bytram> 2.6.1 was released on 2014-01-17... I'm gonna hope things are back-compatible and pull down 2.6.3 which was released 2014-04-01
[12:59:05] <NCommander> w00t
[12:59:07] <NCommander> successful backup
[12:59:11] * NCommander setups the crontabs
[12:59:14] <Bytram> !woop
[12:59:14] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[13:00:02] <Bytram> for historical reference, GNUcash 2.6.1 for windows is at: http://downloads.sourceforge.net
[13:00:04] <ciri> 14Title(03"utf-8 14/ 031.66sec. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/lyjrbrx 14 )[1]: 03Download GnuCash from SourceForge.net
[13:00:13] <Bytram> for historical reference, GNUcash 2.6.1 for windows is at: http://downloads.sourceforge.net
[13:00:17] <ciri> 14Title(03"utf-8 14/ 03613.012ms. 14/ 12http://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20%28stable%29/2.6.1/gnucash-2.6.1-setup.exe/download?use_mirror=superb-dca3 14 )[1]: 03Download GnuCash from SourceForge.net
[13:00:23] <Bytram> for historical reference, GNUcash 2.6.3 for windows is at: http://downloads.sourceforge.net
[13:00:23] <ciri> 14Title(03"utf-8 14/ 03594.338ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/lndzctm 14 )[1]: 03Download GnuCash from SourceForge.net
[13:03:41] <NCommander> Ok, if I did this corectly
[13:03:53] <NCommander> The "hourly" site backup will kick every four hours on the 4s
[13:04:32] <NCommander> + a daily backup + weekly + monthly
[13:05:08] <crutchy> do you check in a mail command in the crontab?
[13:05:28] <crutchy> s/ec/uc/
[13:05:29] <exec> <crutchy> do you chuck in a mail command in the crontab?
[13:06:49] <NCommander> crutchy, it should go to root's mail account
[13:07:53] <Bytram> NCommander: does it log each start and completion?
[13:08:42] * Bytram is really starting to like the idea of having one (or more) bots keep an eye on things and log the findings to a separate channel (#Status?)
[13:09:02] <Bytram> then, when something goes wrong, there's one place to look and see what happened and when.
[13:10:34] <NCommander> Bytram, it should log into the syslog, if the backup fails, its not rotated into the set
[13:10:44] <NCommander> (there's a seperate backup, then rotate+delete step)
[13:11:14] <Bytram> ok, thanks. do I have the privs to be able to see that log?
[13:11:37] <paulej72> NCommander: where are the scrips located and who’s crontab runs them
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[13:12:41] <paulej72> chromas_: it looks like you have not identified
[13:12:49] <crutchy> wb chromas_'s auto reconnect
[13:13:23] <crutchy> paulej72 he's away from home atm
[13:13:38] <crutchy> is why monopoly is down
[13:13:56] <paulej72> so that was his home server reconnecting
[13:14:37] <crutchy> nah i think that's the one he's beeen using away from home
[13:15:13] <NCommander> paulej72, it just runs rsnapshot directly, running out of roots crontab, with a wrapper about ssh, see /etc/rsnapshot.conf on oxygen, /etc/cron.d/rsnapshot, and the stuff in /home/sysbackup on oxygen
[13:15:50] <NCommander> Bytram, we keep oxygen locked down for obvious reasons, though I might figure out how to put the logs on a password protected web server
[13:16:20] <NCommander> (in technical terms, oxygen is limited to the sysops usergroup, or folks who have global root access)
[13:16:42] <Bytram> nod nod; just read access would be useful... I'd not be able to break anything, but could do some sleuthing until someone with full magic powers can be found.
[13:16:42] <NCommander> Ok, just a final paragraph or two to write out
[13:16:43] <NCommander> Ugh
[13:16:57] <NCommander> Bytram, yeah, our backups are pretty idiot proof
[13:17:02] <NCommander> The only loose bit is kerberos
[13:17:18] * NCommander notes that with the sheer amount of "global" accounts we deal with, I"m very happy we went that way vs. dealing with SSH authetication
[13:17:24] <NCommander> Even if we'd had odd krb5 breakage
[13:17:27] <Bytram> NCommander: better watch out, we've got some pretty remarkable idiots round here.
[13:17:40] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:17:56] <NCommander> I'd like to know why keytabs on occassion go "snap"
[13:18:22] <Bytram> NCommander: is there a command that can test it's integrity?
[13:18:28] <Bytram> s/it's/its/
[13:18:29] <exec> <Bytram> NCommander: is there a command that can test its integrity?
[13:18:50] <paulej72> NCommander: I have not been successful in doing any kadmin stuff. anytime I do something there is never seems to work right.
[13:19:21] <NCommander> Bytram, the problem is an occassion auth issue
[13:19:23] <paulej72> seems to snap after i use kadmin
[13:19:30] <NCommander> paulej72, weird
[13:19:36] <NCommander> paulej72, might be related tothe krbadmin account
[13:19:47] <NCommander> I have my own mcasadevall/admin account which always works, and what I use for managing the stash
[13:20:09] <paulej72> oh now you tell me :)
[13:20:15] <Bytram> paulej72: hmmm, if you can reproduce it reliably...
[13:20:21] <paulej72> no
[13:20:27] <Bytram> :/
[13:22:06] <paulej72> the last big kerberos issue was when i generated a new slash keytab file when there already was one. This time I did nothing with with slash, was only setting up an account for juggs (and TheMightyBuzzard until i saw he already had one under a differnt name).
[13:22:50] * Bytram notices GnuCash has finished downloading
[13:22:52] <paulej72> NCommander: am I correct that the main kerberos server is on helium still
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[13:23:04] <NCommander> paulej72, yeah, it backs itself up to boron ever 8 hours
[13:23:10] <NCommander> Failover on it works
[13:23:14] <NCommander> Oh
[13:23:14] <NCommander> snap
[13:23:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, saves having to type themightybuzzard@ a whole lot of times.
[13:23:18] <NCommander> I think I know what went snap
[13:23:22] <NCommander> Er, no
[13:23:33] * NCommander changed the LDAP lookup order, not kerberos
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[13:24:09] <NCommander> boron looks at itself before it looks at helium for LDAP stuff, which prevents slashd from timing out due to getuid/getgid/etc. taking forever
[13:26:20] * Bytram is about to install GnuCash and crosses fingers... If I *disappear* you'll know I blew up my system with too much of a load on it.
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[13:27:32] <Bytram> "the setup files are corrupted; please try another version of the product"
[13:27:34] <Bytram> lol!
[13:28:29] <paulej72> NCommander: it looks at helium first for kerberos?
[13:28:33] <paulej72> NCommander: boron that is
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[13:29:40] * crutchy is rebooting his server
[13:29:55] <NCommander> paulej72, it works via DNS
[13:30:01] <crutchy> hopefully dist-upgrade went smoothly
[13:30:10] <NCommander> paulej72, but the stuff that calls kinit can wait 5-10 seconds for helium to timeout
[13:30:23] <NCommander> slashd breaks if LDAP is down, which is why I switched the lookup order
[13:30:31] <NCommander> Bytram, can you edit the incorporation post
[13:30:34] <NCommander> I *finally* got it done
[13:30:36] * NCommander ughs
[13:30:59] <Bytram> give me a few; I needed to redownload GnuCash; first try was corrupted.
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[13:31:14] <paulej72> NCommander: just tryng to figure out why juggs could not kinit on boron when I set up his account. I could do it with the password I set using kinit juggs.
[13:31:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> random though: i love it when i go to do something and find out it's already done the way i was going to do it.
[13:32:21] <crutchy> dammit... php.ini warning :-/
[13:32:42] * NCommander sets this to go at noon
[13:33:13] <Bytram> noon,,, where?
[13:33:16] <Bytram> utc?
[13:33:20] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: that is slash for you, poor documentation means that it may have been setup correctly but noone knows.
[13:33:40] <NCommander> Bytram, EST
[13:33:46] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:33:49] <Bytram> that's better
[13:33:57] * NCommander could set it noon AKDT, but nah
[13:34:04] <NCommander> ~weather NCommander
[13:34:12] <NCommander> ...
[13:34:24] <Bytram> ~weather or not?
[13:34:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, crutchy is currently busy breaking exec
[13:34:36] <paulej72> Bytram: I am going to look at the story, but not make changes, so don’t mind me if you see me on the edit list
[13:34:47] <Bytram> paulej72: k, thanks!
[13:35:03] <NCommander> paulej72, its not super long as far as my posts usually go, but I haven't been feeling great
[13:35:16] * NCommander notes the usual NC post is ~3k, and I think the lngest was 4.5k
[13:36:00] <Bytram> paulej72: and, unless NCommander made any changes to it, I've already reviewed all but the last two(?) sections.
[13:36:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> think ima switch back to using my weather stone. (rock on a string) if it's swinging, it's windy. if it's wet, it's raining, if it's hot, it's sunny.
[13:36:12] <NCommander> Bytram, I haven't edited it
[13:36:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you can't see it, it's foggy
[13:36:22] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, oooh, I had one of those :-)
[13:36:48] * Bytram is leery about doing anything more than necessary atm; downloads are flakey with my connection.
[13:37:19] <NCommander> I always liked Stone Gone | Tornado
[13:37:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup yup
[13:37:28] <Bytram> ROFL!
[13:37:44] <paulej72> Bytram: first section needs another break between the first and second paragraphs and the third and fourth
[13:38:09] <Bytram> what happens to the rock during a sand storm?
[13:38:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> fishing reports need to take "i'm fishing for flathead catfish" into account. sat out there for like 5 hours last night without a nibble in supposedly excellent fishing conditions.
[13:38:46] <Bytram> paulej72: go ahead and make changes. I'm not going to go into it for a bit while I wait for GnuCash to D/L...
[13:38:59] <paulej72> it brings us to the point where succession is possimyself, or someone elseble;
[13:40:15] * Bytram tries gnucash setup again... "The setup files are corrupted... please try another version of the program."
[13:40:17] <Bytram> grrr.
[13:40:26] <NCommander> Bytram, if the EXE is loading at all, its not corrupted
[13:40:34] <NCommander> PE files have an internal checksum, you'd get a Windows error
[13:40:38] <NCommander> Sounds like they're borked from the source
[13:41:07] <Bytram> well, that's what it has spit out two different times for two different, and different-sized(!) downloads.
[13:41:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, should put the bylaws up on github. easier to vote on "#168" than typing it all out in irc/email. plus you get revision tracking.
[13:42:07] <Bytram> could someone with a fast connection pull it down for me and put it someplace i can pull it from; sourceforge insists on making me go through their interface and then rely on FF to do the download. I'd rather do a wget!
[13:43:29] <NCommander> Bytram, you can wget just fine; just copy the URL from "If you're not redirected"
[13:43:38] <Bytram> didn't work.
[13:43:38] * NCommander does it with SF downloads all the time
[13:43:41] <paulej72> ^
[13:44:00] <Bytram> I'll try again...
[13:44:01] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I'll propose that at the next board meeting
[13:44:43] <Bytram> NCommander: in fact, all official docs should be up someplace, ideally with an md5sum and/or pgp-signed
[13:44:53] <Bytram> (just for extra nerd value)
[13:45:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, could even modularize it. like ArticleVII.pm
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[13:47:05] <crutchy> woohoo awk problem solved with a dist-upgrade :-D
[13:47:14] <Bytram> !woop
[13:47:14] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[13:47:17] <crutchy> ~sedbot-ii
[13:47:32] <NCommander> GIven the age of awk, its amazing they still find bugs in it
[13:47:37] <crutchy> ~sedbot-join
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[13:47:42] <crutchy> sedbot
[13:47:43] * SedBot2 is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[13:47:51] <crutchy> s/d/x/
[13:47:51] <SedBot2> <crutchy> sexbot
[13:48:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, just, and i say this with love, no cpan includes in the bylaws. versioning could get ugly if they break backwards compatibility.
[13:48:48] <crutchy> or regexps
[13:49:02] * TheMightyBuzzard has indeed lost his damned fool mind
[13:49:48] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, slash's dependencies eats babies
[13:50:00] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, the damn thing is its a relatively maintainable codebase (aka, its not openssl)
[13:52:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, strange but true except for the pair of xs includes in the Slash modules. we'd need a good c coder for any changes to those.
[13:52:37] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: when you did the memcache change for utf8 did you need to install the new memcache cpan module?
[13:52:50] <Bytram> ugh. brb
[13:52:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, yes. should be in the README.utf8
[13:53:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> if it's not, pooch screwage on my part
[13:53:59] <paulej72> NCommander: ^ to go along with your DateTime::Format::MySQL
[13:54:43] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, so, Apache2 doesn't require C code for its API which is autogenerated anyway
[13:55:03] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I actually got to the point where you could initialize Slash's code libraries linked against Apache2 and run install-slashsite
[13:55:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, which'd be all good but i can't read the C well enough to translate it to perl for the missing functions.
[13:55:34] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, what C code are we talking about here?
[13:55:38] <NCommander> (which files in the tree)
[13:56:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> erm... Slash::Apache and Slash::Apache::<something that started with a U I think>
[13:56:41] <paulej72> This story has been viewed 275 times. (a story that should not have gone live yet that is very good)
[13:56:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> i've slept since then
[13:57:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> i could just remove them from the manifest as well but then anything calling the functions from the xs includes would fail.
[13:59:34] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, right, but those are auto-generated
[14:00:01] <NCommander> Homcasadevall@salvation:~/src/slashcode$ find . -name *.c
[14:00:02] <NCommander> mcasadevall@salvation:~/src/slashcode$
[14:00:31] <NCommander> Bytram, is this edited, I'm kinda tempted to kick it out now
[14:00:41] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders
[14:00:55] <Bytram> NCommander: not yet... I'm giving up on gnucash for now and going for your post... give me a bit
[14:00:56] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, check the Slash::Apache makefile
[14:01:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, will one of these days but i'm doing actual 14.08.01 work today. at least in theory i am. in practice i'm dicking off on irc.
[14:02:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Anti-NSA Message Projected on US Embassy in Berlin - http://sylnt.us - I-saw-the-Light
[14:02:14] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03643.32ms. 14/ 12http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/07/21/0240246&from=rss 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | Anti-NSA Message Projected on US Embassy in Berlin
[14:02:29] * Bytram has started reviewing the post-incorporation post
[14:02:31] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, that's fine
[14:02:38] * NCommander has a post about USENET to write anyway
[14:02:47] <NCommander> Trying to get as much off my TODO as humanly possible
[14:03:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> ditto the issues list for me. want to start on meta-moderation for 14.10.
[14:04:08] <NCommander> SHIT
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[14:04:19] * NCommander accidently obilterated something he wanted to keep
[14:04:20] <NCommander> Shit shit shit
[14:05:11] <crutchy> hi janrinok
[14:05:38] <crutchy> what's new?
[14:12:20] <Bytram> argggggh! emacs keystrokes do NOT work in a text-entry field on FF!
[14:13:09] <paulej72> Bytram: antoher reason not to use emacs :)
[14:13:27] * Bytram throws a rotten burrito at paulej72
[14:13:37] <paulej72> lol
[14:15:16] <Bytram> whew! Undo closed tab seems to have brought it back with my changes intact!!!!
[14:15:18] <Bytram> !woop
[14:15:18] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[14:15:23] <crutchy> aqu4 seems to be another casualty
[14:15:27] * Bytram makes an interim save, just in case
[14:18:08] <crutchy> !grab NCommander
[14:18:08] <Bender> Added quote 211
[14:19:36] <Bytram> NCommander: btw, an idea for the swag items... put the year on them. Makes things more of a collector's item. I know *I'd* want to collect a mug for each year, and I'm sure I'm not the *only* one!
[14:20:13] <Bytram> paulej72: did you put in the missing <br> tags already?
[14:20:50] <paulej72> yes
[14:20:57] <Bytram> great! THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:21:00] <Bytram> paulej72++
[14:21:00] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 43
[14:21:13] <Bytram> oooops! Now you don't know everything anymore!
[14:21:19] <Bytram> paulej72--
[14:21:19] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 42
[14:21:24] <Bytram> ahh! fixed it!
[14:21:28] <mrcoolbp> phew
[14:21:49] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: ^ ideaon swag
[14:22:12] <mrcoolbp> yeah saw, Bytram, I could do that
[14:22:21] <Bytram> what are your thoughts on the idea?
[14:23:36] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: I'll take a look tomorrow, might be cluttered with URL, year, etc.
[14:23:46] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: but I can always make options
[14:24:01] * mrcoolbp makes coffee
[14:24:31] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: nod nod; doesn't have to be that prominent... just a little (2014) someplace on it would do the trick.
[14:24:35] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:24:35] <Bender> karma - coffee: 421
[14:25:04] <paulej72> decaf++
[14:25:04] <Bender> karma - decaf: 2
[14:27:27] <Bytram> paulej72: I think you have that backwards? with decaf, less is more, so you should be doing decaf-- =)
[14:27:57] * Bytram makes an interim save of the post; 4 paragraphs to go
[14:28:21] <crutchy> decaf is the new poutine
[14:28:25] <crutchy> decaf--
[14:28:25] <Bender> karma - decaf: 1
[14:28:41] <Bytram> crutchy: LOL!!!!
[14:29:00] <crutchy> poutine--
[14:29:00] <Bender> karma - poutine: -348
[14:29:07] <crutchy> oh my
[14:29:33] <paulej72> no the key with decaf is that is has just a touch of caffeine and thus you need to drink a lot to get enough
[14:33:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[14:33:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 422
[14:33:55] <Bytram> !who-up poutine
[14:34:01] <Bytram> !whoup poutine
[14:34:01] <Bender> uppers of poutine are: andrew: 6, chromas: 3, NCommander: 3, xlefay: 2, MrBluze_: 1, TheMightyBuzzard: 1, crutchy: 1, Mattiep: 1, robinld: 1, drgibbon: 1, kobach: 1
[14:34:06] <Bytram> !whodown poutine
[14:34:06] <Bender> downers of poutine are: kobach: -112, crutchy: -33, xlefay: -23, FoobarBazbot_: -19, FatPhil: -14, stderr: -13, andrew: -12, mrcoolbp: -11, Khyber: -11, mattie_p: -11, FoobarBazbot: -10, SoylentMUD: -9, swiss: -9, pbnjoe: -7, drcoolbp: -7, paulej72: -6, Ethanol-fueled: -6, chromas: -4, stdhell: -4, dx3bydt3: -4, FunPika: -3, MrBluze: -3, arti: -3, amblivious: -3, swisskid: - 1 more
[14:36:34] <Bytram> NCommander: ping?
[14:37:05] <NCommander> Bytram, pong
[14:37:48] <Bytram> I'm done! Do with it as you wish!!!
[14:38:04] <Bytram> And, I must say, VERY well done!
[14:38:06] <Bytram> NCommander++
[14:38:06] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 39
[14:38:16] <Bytram> justincase...
[14:38:18] <Bytram> NCommander++
[14:38:18] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 40
[14:38:19] <Bytram> NCommander++
[14:38:19] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 41
[14:38:20] <Bytram> NCommander++
[14:38:21] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 42
[14:38:28] <Bytram> okay. We're ready for ya now!
[14:38:41] <Bytram> NCommander: ^^^
[14:42:20] <NCommander> Wide character in print at /tmp/ebenZml2Qf line 133.
[14:42:24] <NCommander> I need to fix this error :-/
[14:42:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, where at?
[14:44:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like something needs a binmode($fh, ':encoding(UTF-8)');
[14:44:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> largely a harmless error though
[14:46:59] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I had that, and I fixed this error before
[14:47:01] * NCommander grumbles
[14:47:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, roger dodger
[14:47:20] <NCommander> I think rebasing on your latest UTF-8 broke my patch, but this is just a proof of concept
[14:47:35] <NCommander> I'm going to let the community review my Slash->NetNews work, and see if I should invest more effort in it
[14:47:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod.
[14:47:52] * NCommander is seroiusly trying to clear his TODO list
[14:48:10] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I was looking around on paypal site the other day, looks like you can just create a bunch of dev accounts (payer and payee)
[14:48:26] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, yeah, that's why I asked, payapl changed how they did dev
[14:48:31] <NCommander> You used to have to use this sandbox setup
[14:48:42] <mrcoolbp> yeah, that
[15:01:46] <Bytram> NCommander++
[15:01:46] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 43
[15:01:51] <Bytram> ooops!
[15:01:54] <Bytram> NCommander--
[15:01:54] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 42
[15:02:17] * Bytram didn't want him to lose the knowledge of life the universe and everything
[15:02:22] <Bytram> =)
[15:04:09] <NCommander> pfft, 47 is the real magic number, once you correct for inflatin
[15:04:44] <Bytram> reminds me, I'm deflating... haven't had breakfast yet.
[15:13:19] <NCommander> slash@lithium:~/slashcode$ bin/runtask spool_to_nntp
[15:13:19] <NCommander> Mon Jul 21 15:07:09 2014 runtask spool_to_nntp.pl begin
[15:13:19] <NCommander> 0Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[15:13:20] <NCommander> I broke perl
[15:13:21] <NCommander> damn it
[15:16:52] <mrcoolbp> Cap'n, we need to dump the trilithium core!
[15:18:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, dude, you can NOT break perl. we'd be better off if you poured dr pepper in the node's power supply.
[15:18:59] <Bytram> NCommander: wrt your bike... there's usually a knurled and threaded tube with a locking nut to adjust the travel of the derailers. that might help with the shifting.
[15:19:14] Bytram is now known as Bytram|afk
[15:19:27] <Bytram|afk> back in about 15 minutes and then got to run some errands
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[15:37:40] <Blackmoore> mornin
[15:38:56] <mrcoolbp> mornin
[15:39:37] <ar> evening
[15:43:57] <NCommander> Ok, post is up, no comments :-/
[15:44:04] <NCommander> well, not much in terms of new comments
[15:48:33] <Bytram|afk> here comes one now.
[15:48:35] <Bytram|afk> =)
[15:56:11] <mrcoolbp> http://soylentnews.org
[15:56:12] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03257.8ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/o92yj4f 14 )[0]: 03SoylentNews Comments | The (Very Late) Post-Incorporation Post
[15:56:21] <mrcoolbp> thx ciri
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[15:56:53] * mrcoolbp feeds arti to ciri
[15:56:58] <Alberto> sup slaves of Internet
[15:57:48] <Bytram|afk> mrcoolbp: "* mrcoolbp sips coffee out of his new coffee++ mug *" ...
[15:57:53] * Bytram|afk is jealous!
[15:59:46] * mrcoolbp nods at Alberto
[16:00:04] <Bytram|afk> gtg... have fun everyone!!!!!
[16:00:09] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: do you need anything else from me? Got into paypal okay? I'm going to start getting ready for work
[16:00:11] Bytram|afk is now known as Bytram|away
[16:00:13] <mrcoolbp> later Bytram
[16:00:13] * Alberto un-nods
[16:00:21] <Bytram|away> mrcoolbp: cya!
[16:00:25] <mrcoolbp> = )
[16:00:30] <Bytram|away> mrcoolbp: and thanks for minding the store! =)
[16:00:39] <mrcoolbp> pleasure
[16:00:41] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I haven't tried, working on writing another post
[16:00:56] * Bytram|away shudders =)
[16:01:11] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: okay, I'm leaving the house in 40 minutes, check before then
[16:01:22] <Bytram|away> NCommander: but seriously, that was a well-done post. thanks so much for pushing thorugh to get it out there!
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[16:01:34] <NCommander> Bytram|away, seems the community response is "meh"
[16:01:35] <NCommander> Damn it
[16:13:34] <Alberto> NCommander, still suffering the Ubuntu curse?
[16:13:34] <Alberto> :P
[16:13:45] <NCommander> ?
[16:13:54] <Alberto> or you open your eyes to a new horizon called CentOS nor RHEL? :D
[16:15:21] <Blackmoore> now now, the only curse around in windows 8.
[16:15:36] <Alberto> i do like Windows 7
[16:15:41] <Alberto> not XP nor 8
[16:15:46] <swiss> i do like windows 8
[16:16:09] <swiss> first windows OS I've seen a real change in since 95
[16:16:45] <swiss> I know i'm the minority though
[16:16:58] <Blackmoore> hmph, it's a re build of windows v.1 but it has a place on tablets.
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[16:17:41] <Alberto_> damn
[16:17:42] <Alberto_> T_t
[16:18:03] <Alberto_> NCommander, did you learn spanish in 3 months?
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[16:23:03] <Blackmoore> 5+ months? where the hell did the time go?
[16:26:39] <cykros> www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/16/redmond_says_password_reuse_is_more_than_okay_its_necessary/ so i really hope this story gets accepted on the site, because omg the comments should be golden.
[16:27:00] <cykros> and i apologize in advance if anyone breaks their desk with their forehead upon opening that link.
[16:27:48] <NCommander> Blackmoore, no fucking kidding
[16:28:28] <cykros> MS just needs to wise up and offer a multitude of GUI options (or better yet, open it up to third parties with a MS-curated repository)
[16:28:58] <cykros> that way when large swaths of the userbase doesn't like the UI, they're not leaving windows altogether
[16:29:17] <cykros> (not like linux folks switched to windows or OS X when ubuntu started rolling out unity as the default...)
[16:30:07] <cykros> there are, afaik, a couple options for alternative shells, but they could do quite a bit better, especially with some official recognition. at the very least forcing the metro interface was a terrible decision
[16:30:39] <cykros> but idk, personally i'm confident with some brief configuration i'd make windows 8 usable enough to not be a bother...if i felt the need to run windows at all
[16:30:40] <NCommander> OK, I've got a fun post coming up in the hopper
[16:31:39] <NCommander> For anyone who reads USENET
[16:31:41] <NCommander> http://staff.soylentnews.org
[16:31:42] <NCommander> :-)
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[16:31:46] <NCommander> There is your sneak preview
[16:32:22] <cykros> nice, now we can watch them smuggling drugs onto the ISS
[16:32:43] <cykros> because everyone has been left wondering exactly how they have so much meth, opiates, and other contraband up there in the first place.
[16:33:54] <cykros> y'all are using an nntp backend for submissions? or am i looking at that image wrong?
[16:34:15] <cykros> nntp++
[16:34:15] <Bender> karma - nntp: 1
[16:38:58] <NCommander> cykros, spooling the site to netnews :-)
[16:39:19] <NCommander> Currently uni-directional (and one shot), but I think bi-directinality is quite possible
[16:39:57] <cykros> the real issue there seems to be the moderation system. only way i've seen it remotely addressed is that web interface (whose url i can't recall off the top of my head)
[16:40:19] <cykros> but i guess as a secondary interface to soylent it'd work well for those who can't be bothered to care how things are moderated
[16:40:57] <NCommander> cykros, we can export scores via X headers
[16:41:08] <NCommander> If I got creative, we could probably do moderation via COntrol messages :-)
[16:41:32] <cykros> heh, i'm glad someone gets into the code of things
[16:41:38] <NCommander> The biggest issue is some newsreaders *cough*Thunderbird*/cough* fucking go bang when you cancel/supersede a message
[16:41:38] * cykros is a bit more at home with routers and switches
[16:41:47] <cykros> and to a smaller extent, general sysadmin stuff
[16:42:18] <cykros> heh, thunderbird works fine enough for email for my liking, but as a newsreader it leaves a bit to be desired
[16:42:31] <NCommander> a lot :-P
[16:42:42] <cykros> Tin works nice enough for me...actually found a decent android app that i'm pleased enough with for comp.misc anyway
[16:42:46] <NCommander> Well, the fact is supersedes/cancels are virtually never used on real USENET
[16:42:52] <NCommander> cykros, I'm subscried to comp.misc
[16:43:00] <NCommander> Curious if someone going to post that there when that article goes live
[16:43:45] <cykros> i theoretically prefer usenet, but when it's the one thing that's usenet vs everything else i follow being on the web, it's hard to motivate me to fire up the newsreader.
[16:43:54] <cykros> perhaps a longer commute via bus will change that in the near future
[16:44:02] <cykros> though i'll more likely just spend the time playing ingress
[16:44:17] <NCommander> cykros, well, the site is quite nice on a phone w/ newsreader
[16:44:43] <cykros> yea, i do a ton of RSS aggregation to get my news though.
[16:44:53] <cykros> i almost never actually navigate over to soylent directly
[16:44:58] <NCommander> cykros, aw
[16:44:59] <cykros> or any other site for that matter.
[16:44:59] <NCommander> :-(
[16:45:17] <cykros> i have seen methods for doing all that RSS reading via usenet, but it seemed a bit roundabout
[16:45:45] <cykros> yea, i read transmetropolitan a few years back and decided to see to what extent i could match spider jerusalem's intake of news with existing technology.
[16:45:57] <cykros> so i tend to peruse 400 or so headlines a day in newsbeuter
[16:46:29] <cykros> mostly down to 30-60 minutes a day of combing
[16:46:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd die of boredom with only 400
[16:46:37] <NCommander> cykros, gmane is your friend
[16:46:38] <NCommander> gmane.org
[16:47:05] <cykros> TheMightyBuzzard: i've kept it somewhat trimmed because i try not to spend too much time with it
[16:47:13] <cykros> i used to have more going through there
[16:47:29] <cykros> though particularly with the normal people news sites it's really bad signal:noise ratio
[16:47:30] <NCommander> Ok, I'm out for awhile
[16:47:31] <NCommander> cya
[16:47:34] <cykros> later NCommander
[16:47:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, see i need the distraction when i'm not coding or my brain gets up to unfriendly things
[16:48:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> still, yeah very high s/n ratio on most sites
[16:48:21] <cykros> eh, i run slackware. there's usually some part of my system i can fight with.
[16:48:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, that'd do it.
[16:48:42] <cykros> though it's getting down to precious little that i'm feeling a need to bother with, ever since i got skyrim running smoothly with wine
[16:49:00] <cykros> (nvidia's binary blob was NOT helpful in making that all work nice, despite being absolutely necessary)
[16:49:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> last time i ran slack, half my major packages were built from source and i had to follow freshmeat.net to keep up with when to update them.
[16:50:02] <cykros> get 32 bit compatibility working, break the video driver. went to reinstall video driver, got too many open files...finally figured my way around ulimit, got it theoretically working, installed wine, and.... (when run in a terminal) segfault.
[16:50:08] <cykros> turns out it runs fine when run with sudo, however.
[16:50:15] <cykros> including as a non-root user
[16:50:23] <cykros> that last step kept me just ignoring it for months
[16:50:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> prefer arch nowadays. even if the package came from git, you can still slap it in a small aur package and have version control
[16:50:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> ouch
[16:51:30] <cykros> oh, that was the other thing. i had originally known it'd run as root, but not normal user (which was only half right), but on top of that, the version of skyrim i had just wasn't friendly. got the full boxed set w/ all dlc's, otoh, and it runs as good as i'd ever hoped
[16:51:42] <cykros> arch seems a bit higher maintenance than i'd prefer.
[16:51:54] <cykros> usually when i'm fighting with slackware, it's because i'm doing something odd.
[16:52:20] <cykros> i hear horror stories about people who go a few months without updating arch...idk, that bleeding edge isn't something i go for myself.
[16:52:53] <cykros> the massive repo support is enticing at times, but these days i actually run into fairly little that isn't on slackbuilds.org, or one of the other third party repos for slack
[16:53:12] <cykros> besides, as of right now, i believe i'm using one of the only desktop systems old enough to get a beer in the US :-P
[16:53:22] <cykros> though Windows NT is within a couple days of that age
[16:54:18] <cykros> otherwise, nothing, unless we still count win9x as "in use", or earlier versions of Mac OS as remotely the same as OS X (there is the case for that i suppose, at least on the gui level)
[16:56:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, mine's seen several rebuilds and reinstalls but /home has survived it all for... oh ten years or so.
[16:57:29] <cykros> oh man, while it hasn't been that many years, my /home has gone through quite a few different distros in the last 4 years or so
[16:57:51] <cykros> back in college despite having a good bit of linux history the laptop hardware i was using got me using ubuntu for a couple years
[16:58:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, this one has been slackware, arch, like 3 shades of ubuntu, mint, and back to arch
[16:58:24] <cykros> but then between the unity fiasco and realizing that my hardware no longer was nearly as bad to use on other distros, i went back to debian for a little while, and finally all the way back to slack, which was the second distro i used back in 2000
[16:58:42] <cykros> (couldn't go back to my first distro, unless i wanted to go with a 2.2 kernel, because Mandrake sleeps with the fishes.)
[16:59:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i got started on slack sometime in 95 i think it was. floppy sets.... yeurg
[16:59:42] <cykros> mint i never got enticed by in the slightest, but then, it seemed to be mostly DE users that were brought in by it
[16:59:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i liked mandrake back before it got merged with connectiva
[17:00:06] <cykros> eh, i didn't really LIKE it, it just happened to be what i got suggested at first
[17:00:09] <cykros> seemed overly bloated
[17:00:16] <cykros> but then, that was v. 8.0
[17:00:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, mint is a huge pita. they want you to rip and reinstall every six months
[17:00:25] <cykros> it seemed like it'd been getting more and more bloated right before the switch
[17:00:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is insane
[17:00:32] <cykros> that's nuts
[17:00:59] <cykros> slackware so far has shown to be pretty solid on my end for doing a system upgrade rather than reinstall for each version
[17:01:13] <cykros> but then, i didn't really run into issues doing that with debian either...i know that puts me in a bit of a minority
[17:01:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> rolling release on arch is fine and dandy as long as you don't update daily and keep track of the site news rss feed
[17:01:40] <cykros> theoretically if i moved over to slackware64-current it's a bit more like a rolling release anyhow
[17:01:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> let the people who really have to be bleeding edge find the bugs then report them so you don't have to have shat break
[17:02:07] <cykros> but it appears that's not the most common way to do things in slackware, perhaps because we're a crowd that likes at least the basics to work stable and solid.
[17:02:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, they do have long release windows with slack
[17:02:18] <cykros> i like when things break on my system to go "i know what i did to break this"
[17:02:23] <cykros> and not go "damn the asshole who broke this"
[17:02:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> roger that
[17:02:44] <cykros> oh yea, it's roughly once a year afaik
[17:03:16] <cykros> i came back with 13.37, right before 14.0 came out, and now run 14.1. no reinstalls necessary, no sign of upgrades breaking things
[17:03:29] <cykros> i imagine that probably has a lot to do with the slackware philosophy of not messing with the upstream though
[17:03:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, and if you stayed current, it wasn't a huge upgrade.
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[17:04:03] <cykros> if every 6 months you decide to do it a different way (ALWAYS "better" than the original devs knew), then it's hard not to break nearly everything
[17:05:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth, which is why i code slash in the same insane manner they laid it out instead of putting things where they should sanely go.
[17:05:37] <cykros> i suspect if i had another computer kicking around (says the guy sitting in a room with a desktop, laptop, tablet, smartphone, and raspberry pi), i might consider arch as a decent way to play with some of the newer stuff...kind of a sandbox environment to play in
[17:05:52] <cykros> they would probably be my second pick if patrick volkerding were to suddenly fall down some stairs or something
[17:07:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly, aside from all the systemd changes recently, arch has been amazingly stable for the past few years.
[17:07:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> new packages but nothing breaking worth speaking of.
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[17:07:56] <cykros> from what i recall though, pacman kind of annoyed me to use...probably just because it was new though. apt-get i had plenty of time to acclimate to, and coming back to pkgtool was like coming home to an old friend (especially since when i first started linuxing, nobody had told me about package management, so i'd been using straight tarballs until i stumbled onto pkgtool)
[17:08:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> systemd is kind of becoming a major pain in my ass though.
[17:08:20] <cykros> heh, that's the other thing i like about slack. sysvinit, lilo...
[17:08:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, yeah
[17:08:30] <cykros> probably not ideal for a system you reboot often i suppose
[17:08:32] <cykros> but...
[17:08:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, i'd give good money for sysvinit again
[17:08:36] <cykros> 13:08:41 up 16 days, 6:05, 14 users, load average: 0.21, 0.27, 0.29
[17:08:45] <cykros> and that's because power went out 2 and a half weeks ago
[17:09:16] <cykros> i can't get bothered by bootup time. especially with how easy it is to trim things down with sysvinit
[17:09:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, mine gets rebooted more often because of dual booting for a game. well and because arch and regular kernel upgrades.
[17:10:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh hell, my bootup time is like 12 seconds, counting post
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[17:10:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> installed the os files to ssd. /var, /home, other things that change on spinning rust
[17:11:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> past post i have like 5-7 seconds boot time before i get a lxdm login prompt
[17:15:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i like that grub can adapt on the fly but i very much miss lilo's simplicity.
[17:15:14] <cykros> my gf just started trying to make a facebook for me so i pulled up the ssh interface to my cisco switch that the wifi access point is plugged into
[17:15:17] <cykros> heh
[17:15:26] <cykros> with the shutdown command typed and waiting for her to push on
[17:15:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha
[17:15:41] * cykros is quite pleased to now have an enterprise class network setup at home
[17:15:56] <cykros> dd-wrt is nice and all, but while the functionality is there, IOS is just so much more pleasant to use.
[17:16:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, yeah i can see that
[17:16:19] <cykros> incidentally the access point does still have dd-wrt on it anyway...so i have some options
[17:16:36] <cykros> well yea, it's the difference between using nat with iptables (ugh) and using it with the "ip nat" command
[17:17:05] <cykros> and while nat on IOS is still longer than most prefer, the in-line documentation that IOS uses is immensely simpler than referring back to an iptables man page (or hell, book)
[17:17:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. nat over iptables has become a pain in my ass
[17:17:27] <cykros> honestly, used cisco gear is getting just as cheap as consumer grade home stuff
[17:18:00] <cykros> i got a layer 3 switch for $160. going for say, an 871w all in one solution is <$100
[17:18:16] <cykros> which is roughly what my netgear wndr3700v2 cost me
[17:18:21] <cykros> (granted, a few years ago)
[17:18:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> like, for instance, dnat is not supposed to alter the source address but all the traffic to my vm looks like it's coming from the host since i redirected port 80 to the vm.
[17:19:59] <cykros> :-/
[17:20:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'no biggie since it's just a slash dev vm but it annoys me.
[17:20:44] <cykros> i can see that being problematic
[17:22:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> right now i'm using the wireless router built into my uverse modem though, which can't seem to understand that just because both the vm and the host are behind another wireless router acting as a client bridge does not mean they aren't different machines for port forwarding's sake.
[17:22:28] <cykros> my biggest gripe with my setup now is that i can either backroll the IOS on my router to IOS 12.4 in order to get ipv6 functionality, or i can go buy a ram upgrade and pay for the advanced IP services build...i think i'm just going to ignore the matter until i at least get native ipv6 from my isp, especially since i can manage a 4to6 tunnel right from my host
[17:23:00] <cykros> i was looking forward to getting some practice with ipv6 with the lab gear, but such is life when using equipment cisco hasn't sold in a year or two anyway
[17:23:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya. i'm basically just ignoring ipv6 until it's necessary to change.
[17:23:24] <cykros> turns out a lot of ipv6 ready routers only really are "ready" in terms of the software anyway...actually hook up an ipv6 network behind them and they crawl to a halt.
[17:23:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> i get ipv6 from at&t but the extra work gains me nothing.
[17:24:19] <cykros> well, i'm hopefully getting my CCENT next week, and plan to just keep moving my way up the cisco ladder, so i kind of at least need to know what's going on, and that's usually something i feel more comfortable with with hands on experience
[17:24:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> true true
[17:24:34] <cykros> but idk. there's not TOO much to be up on at the level i'm at now anyway. not like subnetting with ipv6 is hard at all
[17:24:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope
[17:24:49] <cykros> when /64 is the largest netmask you're *supposed* to use...
[17:24:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> only hard bit is actually remembering an address
[17:25:22] <cykros> i still think it's a little nuts to have a few quintillion addresses going out to every isp customer
[17:25:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> easy enough with ipv4 but no way in hell with ipv6. at least for me.
[17:25:34] <cykros> but otoh, there are like, 300 undecillion addresses total
[17:25:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[17:25:42] <cykros> so what's a few quintillion amongst friends?
[17:26:48] <cykros> it'd probably be worth cisco's while to add in a system for aliasing ipv6 addresses locally
[17:26:52] <cykros> for the sake of admins.
[17:27:17] <cykros> or at least a static prefix alias for whatever netmask the switch/router is on
[17:27:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, prolly.
[17:27:57] <cykros> for now they're still getting things up to speed with the hardware necessary to really manage all these addresses though.
[17:29:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, anything in silicon is going to need to be more hoss
[17:29:48] <cykros> on a completely separate note...
[17:29:56] * cykros notices we have 5 digit uid's on soylent
[17:30:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> !uid
[17:30:38] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4564, owned by bswarm
[17:30:43] <cykros> oh, hrm
[17:30:49] <cykros> yea, looks like i was looking at the wrong field
[17:30:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> comment id?
[17:30:56] <cykros> post count i guess
[17:30:59] <cykros> yea
[17:31:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[17:31:19] <cykros> 5 digit uid's would have been impressive...though hitting 4 digits by day 2 was also impressive
[17:31:47] <cykros> i barely scooted into 3 digits as it were, toward the end of day one
[17:32:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, and we're pretty steady, if not speedy, in our growth since we hit 4k
[17:32:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, i cheated and got in on the alpha. my uid can buy its own smokes but only just
[17:34:27] <cykros> heh, it'd be out of luck 'round here if it's 18...at least the next town over requires you to be 19
[17:34:40] <cykros> why, especially in an urban metro area? nobody knows.
[17:35:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ? that's fascism, that is.
[17:35:06] <cykros> kind of like how the town i'm in used to be dry, while also in an urban metro area full of booze elsewhere
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[17:37:08] <TheMightyBrazzers> better
[17:37:36] <arti> a dry town
[17:37:43] <cykros> yea
[17:37:44] <TheMightyBrazzers> sup artiz0r
[17:37:48] <cykros> it's not been dry in 10 years or so
[17:37:48] <arti> So, an Irishman is stranded on a deserted island, and for twenty years, he's combed the beach every morning to see what has washed up. One morning, he finds an old lamp. He rubs it, and a genie comes out. "MASTER, YOU HAVE RELEASED ME FROM MY PRISON OF FIVE THOUSAND YEARS. I WILL GRANT YOU ANY THREE WISHES." The Irishman says, "Oh, well, I haven't had a drink in twenty long years. I want a
[17:37:48] <arti> whiskey jug that never runs dry." The genie bellows, "AS YOU COMMAND MY MASTER" and a whiskey jug appears before the Irishman. He grabs it, uncorks it, takes a number of swigs of the best tasting Irish whiskey he's ever had, put the cork back in, opens it, and looks in to see it has magically refilled. "Oh, it's wonderful!" The genie says, "I AM GLAD YOU ARE PLEASED, MASTER. WHAT ARE YOUR
[17:37:49] <arti> OTHER TWO WISHES?" The Irishman says, "Oh, that's easy. I'll have two more jugs just like this one."
[17:37:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're so going to confuse and excite people with that nick
[17:38:58] <TheMightyBrazzers> TheMightyBuzzard, maybe
[17:39:08] <arti> lol
[17:39:10] <arti> brazzers
[17:39:16] <TheMightyBrazzers> :D
[17:39:17] <arti> open_mouth.gif
[17:39:33] * TheMightyBrazzers has quality content on SoyLentBrazzers.org
[17:39:34] <TheMightyBrazzers> :p
[17:39:41] <arti> hahahaah
[17:39:49] <TheMightyBrazzers> i may register dat
[17:40:30] <cykros> i find the whole thing with genies amusing...it seems to be something that christians never formed all that big an aversion to, strangely enough, because of the foreign origin. i couldn't imagine the same tales being told of people coming across some magical item in which a demon was imprisoned.
[17:40:42] <cykros> despite djinn being in many ways analogous to demons in islam
[17:40:53] * arti nods
[17:40:57] <arti> djinn have some neat stories too
[17:41:11] <TheMightyBrazzers> whats a djin?
[17:41:26] <TheMightyBrazzers> nn*
[17:41:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, have this huge castle in minecraft and can't decide on a design for the keep.
[17:41:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> genie
[17:41:33] <cykros> well, demonology leads to all sorts of fun little tidbits...but you'll only generally hear those from occultists, not so much christians (though i guess it's true that there is such a thing as a christian occultist)
[17:41:34] <TheMightyBrazzers> s/djin/
[17:41:35] * SedBot2 tosses a / to ThiMaghtaBruzzars
[17:41:42] <TheMightyBrazzers> lol
[17:41:59] <TheMightyBrazzers> TheMightyBrazzers, rent me a room there
[17:42:01] <cykros> yea, genie/djinn/jinn, all different transliterations of the word in arabic
[17:42:17] <TheMightyBrazzers> so they are real?
[17:42:19] <TheMightyBrazzers> as god?
[17:42:20] <TheMightyBrazzers> o.O
[17:42:37] <TheMightyBrazzers> i will never understand that
[17:42:41] <arti> yes, m'boy and you must pay me for protection
[17:42:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dunno but i'm playing it safe and watching i dream of jeannie regularly
[17:44:01] <TheMightyBrazzers> i belive on Chuck Norris
[17:44:05] <TheMightyBrazzers> and Pasta Man
[17:44:17] <TheMightyBrazzers> those are my Gods/Genie?
[17:44:17] <TheMightyBrazzers> :P
[17:45:01] <arti> just put them in your character sheet, the DM will sort you out
[17:45:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> there ya go.
[17:45:49] <TheMightyBrazzers> https://m1.behance.net <-- there is proof of his existance
[17:45:49] <TheMightyBrazzers> :D
[17:46:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> reminds me, i should work on my campaign a bit. life's put our sessions on hold for the past few months but i don't wanna drop them entirely.
[17:46:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> 2e, bitches. none of this prestige class nonsense and 4e can eat a dick entirely.
[17:47:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> if i wanted to play WoW, i'd play WoW.
[17:47:38] <arti> lol
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[17:58:59] <Blackmoore> i'm happy with 3e and pathfinder..
[17:59:07] <Blackmoore> but hackmaster is a blast.
[17:59:41] <Blackmoore> 4e was wow on tabletop. wasnt woth the paper is was print on
[18:01:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly, i prefer Bullethead rules. pretty much every rule is per-character and gets created by "convince the dm". you can play some wacky, wacky stuff like that.
[18:02:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> there aren't even standard combat rules
[18:03:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> you want your talking beaver who rides a circle saw to use a weapon from shadowrun using something resembling 3.5e rules? convince the dm.
[18:06:01] <Blackmoore> lol
[18:06:04] <Blackmoore> i like it
[18:06:49] <Blackmoore> i'v run "Floating vagabond" at a con or two. that systems pretty silly but at least it has some rules
[18:07:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> it probably helps that we thought that game up while drunk and bored with dnd.
[18:08:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> one guy drew up a bunch of cartoon anthropomorphized animals and we picked them and started telling the dm about who they were n what they could do.
[18:11:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Rise of Data and the Death of Politics - http://sylnt.us - future-to-avoid?
[18:11:19] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03639.268ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/pxvzkwc 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | The Rise of Data and the Death of Politics
[18:11:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> believe it's nap time.
[18:37:49] <Blackmoore> eh not with mighy brazzars over there.. I'm still waiting for the cast to show up. :P
[18:39:08] <NCommander> I think I'm having a productivity burnout
[18:39:09] <NCommander> Ugh
[18:39:22] <arti> happens
[18:39:29] <arti> you're not a machine, yet.
[18:39:45] * arti pats NCommander on the shoulder
[18:39:52] <TheMightyBrazzers> I can do a few implants and make you a b0rg
[18:39:52] <TheMightyBrazzers> :D
[18:40:20] <TheMightyBrazzers> You will become one with the Borg.
[18:40:28] TheMightyBrazzers is now known as TheMightyBrazzersBorg
[18:46:20] <chromas_> implants--
[18:46:20] <Bender> karma - implants: -1
[18:46:44] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> chromas_, Brave words. I've heard them before, from thousands of species across thousands of worlds, since long before you were created, but now, they are all Borg.
[18:46:48] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> borg++
[18:46:49] <Bender> karma - borg: 1
[18:47:54] <chromas_> (Brazzers implants) --
[18:47:59] <chromas_> (Brazzers implants)--
[18:47:59] <Bender> karma - (brazzers implants): -1
[18:49:17] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> Hum, weird why i can't mod comments? can't see the combo box
[18:49:28] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> kobach--
[18:49:28] <Bender> karma - kobach: 20
[18:49:34] <chromas_> Do you have points?
[18:50:03] <chromas_> They might have expired just before you loaded the page
[18:50:25] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> yesterday i did
[18:50:26] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> 9 of them
[18:50:31] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> now i don't, weird
[18:50:32] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> o.O
[18:50:52] <chromas_> They don't last that long
[18:54:02] <NCommander> The fuck O_o;
[18:54:12] <NCommander> TheMightyBrazzersBorg, points last 8 hours
[18:54:23] <NCommander> Redoing moderation: that TODO since golive I never got back to
[18:55:43] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> well i did had 10
[18:55:43] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> :D
[18:56:14] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> NCommander, http://soylentnews.org <-- there is issues with the encoding
[18:56:15] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03360.733ms.14)[0]: 03Journal of barrahome (3580)
[18:56:57] <NCommander> Is it me, or did beta stop sucking O_o;
[18:57:00] <NCommander> (aside from requiring JS)
[18:57:10] <arti> they've been making changes, not that i check regularly
[18:57:29] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> what beta, where?
[18:57:34] <NCommander> beta.slashdot.org
[18:57:37] <NCommander> Seriously
[18:57:42] <NCommander> It almost looks ... nice
[18:58:14] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> oh
[18:58:19] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> i almost hack them
[18:58:20] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> :P
[18:58:34] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> https://ctrl.sb.sf.net
[18:58:50] * TheMightyBrazzersBorg likes to play with their LDAP
[18:59:20] * TheMightyBrazzersBorg plans to assimilate Slashdot
[18:59:47] <chromas_> Too bad they didn't fix it the first time
[19:00:36] <arti> well the news for nerds, stuff that matters was dropped
[19:01:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Request For Comments: SoylentNews->Netnews (NNTP) Gateway - http://sylnt.us - because-code-bunnies-don't-go-away-until-you-code-it
[19:01:58] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03565.235ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/kcw8g5d 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | Request For Comments: SoylentNews-Netnews (NNTP) Gateway
[19:03:37] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> http://beta.slashdot.org <--
[19:03:38] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03352.97ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/nbavcjx 14 )[0]: 03Slashdot: News for nerds, stuff that matters
[19:03:39] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> o.O
[19:04:21] <arti> http://slashdot.org
[19:04:22] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03529.695ms.14)[0]: 03Slashdot: News for nerds, stuff that matters
[19:04:32] <arti> well, i'm talking out of my butt then
[19:04:34] <chromas_> beta--
[19:04:34] <Bender> karma - beta: -18
[19:04:44] <arti> i didn't see it when i hovered over the tab title
[19:04:49] <arti> and i don't see it on the page
[19:28:08] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> http://davidgf.net amazing! :D
[19:28:09] <ciri> 14Title(03UTF-8 14/ 03606.717ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/n3bvzj3 14 )[0]: 03www.davidgf.net
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[19:51:41] <Blackmoore> http://boingboing.net
[19:51:41] <ciri> 14Title(03"utf-8 14/ 03259.101ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/p5rx3gu 14 )[0]: 03An exclusive look at the new D&D Players Handbookand The Warlock - Boing Boing
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[19:52:10] <Blackmoore> well well.. will 5th be worth looking at?
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[20:10:05] * xlefay high five's arti & hka
[20:10:21] <arti> g'day xlefay
[20:10:29] <xlefay> g'day, how are ya?
[20:10:38] <arti> working
[20:10:40] <arti> lol
[20:10:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Amazon Unveils Kindle Unlimited Ebook Subscription Service - http://sylnt.us - turning-a-new-page
[20:10:50] <arti> changing up some UI stuff for a demo tomorrow
[20:10:50] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03760.462ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/qd38k8s 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | Amazon Unveils Kindle Unlimited Ebook Subscription Service
[20:11:00] <arti> how's things on your side of the pond?
[20:12:19] <xlefay> They're OK :P
[20:12:38] <xlefay> just finishing some stuff I was working re, SN :)
[20:14:10] <arti> anything exciting?
[20:14:49] <xlefay> Documentation... xD
[20:14:52] <xlefay> So no, not really haha
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[20:30:09] <arti> write clever notes to your future self or maintainers in it
[20:30:17] <arti> "Chances are if you're reading this, all hope is lost."
[20:30:29] <xlefay> "Here be dragons"
[20:30:44] <xlefay> "Good luck trying to figure this out!"
[20:31:13] <xlefay> or.. "I really hope you're not that psychopath the quote always mentions!" (although, that one, is actually more for code)
[20:31:45] <xlefay> I wish I had NCommander's capacity to write documentation though
[20:32:02] <arti> what does he do well about it?
[20:32:05] <xlefay> I'm always left finding the proper words & the right structure to effectively explain shit
[20:32:07] <arti> conveying what you're attempting to do?
[20:32:17] <xlefay> He seems to be able to just write that shit without any fuss
[20:32:52] <arti> maybe he's a hive mind
[20:33:01] <NCommander> arti, the hive disagrees with you
[20:33:08] <arti> "we voted and you're wrong"
[20:33:09] <xlefay> hahaha
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[20:33:21] <arti> "apparently we don't like this food, sorry"
[20:33:39] <arti> greetings NCommander
[20:33:57] <arti> i'll have to review the notes then, good examples are helpful
[20:34:29] <xlefay> One thing's for sure, I'll be relieved when I get this stuff done
[20:34:51] <xlefay> Where are the AI's when you need 'm?
[20:35:00] <xlefay> Greetings Bytram|away
[20:35:12] <xlefay> What brings you to our humble dome of chatterness?
[20:35:13] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[20:35:17] <arti> xlefay, you could repurpose one of those paper generators
[20:35:19] <Bytram> xlefay: g'day!
[20:35:23] <xlefay> arti, LOL
[20:35:27] <arti> Bytram, hihihihi
[20:35:29] <xlefay> arti++ haha, that's genius
[20:35:29] <Bender> karma - arti: 57
[20:35:38] <Bytram> sw another wall-of-text from out fine commander and am giving it a quick 'cleaning'
[20:35:44] <Bytram> back in a few mins
[20:35:48] <arti> roger
[20:35:53] <Bytram> ugh. s/sw/saw/
[20:35:55] <xlefay> Good luck, those walls are long!
[20:36:19] <arti> see, it's the editor's job to format text XD
[20:36:24] <xlefay> NCommander, just out of curiosity, you really don't get paid for writing those absurdly long articles? Cause you should be.
[20:36:33] <arti> maybe its text to speech?
[20:36:38] <NCommander> xlefay, I wish I was
[20:36:40] <arti> er... speech to text
[20:36:49] <NCommander> If I was paid a dollar a word, I'd be set for a year >:-)
[20:36:52] * arti shares coffee candies
[20:37:01] <xlefay> arti, unless.. NCommander truly is a machine..
[20:37:09] <arti> he is, organic though
[20:37:19] <arti> poll suggestion: metal legs for the commander
[20:37:31] <xlefay> And you have proof of this?
[20:37:39] <arti> with robocop like cubbies for stuff (phones, stress balls, keyboard?)
[20:38:29] <xlefay> but I digress, imma get back to doing some awful documentation
[20:38:32] <arti> i really want to rig up a targetting system for the stop lights to aim a laser at the little thing that detects emergency vehicles
[20:38:39] <arti> awfulmentation
[20:38:40] <xlefay> NCommander, even if you were paid per sentence... :P
[20:38:45] <Blackmoore> pft. we should do documentation while drunk.
[20:38:53] <arti> where is ethanol
[20:39:31] <chromas_> Drunkumentation
[20:39:32] <xlefay> I believe it's somewhere near the fuel..
[20:39:50] <arti> drunkumentation sounds like a fun idea for a parser
[20:40:07] <xlefay> btw, NCommander, before I get back to documentation, kudos on the NNTP!
[20:40:11] <arti> for low hanging fruit all s sounds get slurred, sshhh
[20:40:26] <arti> configuration shucceeds
[20:40:29] <NCommander> xlefay, doesn't seem to be a lot of interest, though I got the code bunny out of my system
[20:41:13] <xlefay> Well, it's sunday evening, it's late, perhaps interest is still to come - perhaps, add something to site news, so it doesn't fall out of reach, see what people think during the week ;)
[20:42:13] <arti> i think its finally monday everywhere
[20:45:11] <NCommander> Its 12:45 PM monday here
[20:45:57] <Bytram> NCommander: q: rnews? is that: http://rnews.sourceforge.net
[20:45:58] <ciri> 14Title(03iso-8859-1 14/ 03135.014ms.14)[0]: 03Rnews Feed Aggregator
[20:46:11] <xlefay> whoops.. it's monday evening indeed.
[20:46:21] <xlefay> Wow, I had no idea whatsoever.
[20:46:27] <arti> sure you haven't been drinking?
[20:46:30] <arti> ;)
[20:46:41] <xlefay> I'm sure lol
[20:47:11] <xlefay> 10:46 PM, oh well, least I figured out it wasn't sunday before it's tuesday.
[20:47:12] * Bytram misread rnews several times as being mews
[20:47:19] <Blackmoore> well damn it go get something!
[20:47:49] <xlefay> bbs
[20:49:17] <arti> oh i hate that
[20:49:23] * arti does that with certain fonts
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[20:54:11] <Bytram> NCommander: NNTP article review and update completed. I know you mentioned earlier today that you had another story coming... I ran some errands, came home, and then crashed for a nap. Sorry it took me so long to get to reviewing it for you.
[20:57:53] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[20:57:54] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03535.829ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/ozfgty3 14 )[1]: 03Hidden network packet sniffer found in millions of iPhones, iPads The Register
[21:03:33] <Bytram> xlefay: okay, I'm mostly back. =)
[21:03:43] <Bytram> oh, and sorry for the delay:
[21:03:49] <Bytram> arti: hihihihi!
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[21:08:59] * Bytram checks the time
[21:09:35] <Bytram> are we still getting reports from a bot of stories going up on the main page?
[21:09:49] <Bytram> ISTR it was Blender?
[21:09:57] <Bytram> who, it seems, has gone missing.
[21:10:13] <Bytram> ugh. s/Blender/Bender/ :(
[21:11:34] <paulej72> !help
[21:11:34] <Bender> documentation for jsonbot can be found at http://jsonbot.org
[21:11:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Technical Problems Plague BBC Online Services - http://sylnt.us - auntie-unwell
[21:11:37] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03950.94ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/l2v2mry 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | Technical Problems Plague BBC Online Services
[21:11:38] <Bender> see !list for loaded plugins and "!help plugin" for help on the plugin.
[21:12:26] <paulej72> looks like bender was sulking in a coner because he was being neglected
[21:13:07] <Bytram> hmmm, so is the "!" prefix used SOLELY by Bender? Or are there other bots here which use it?
[21:13:27] <Bytram> ISTR that '~' is being used by another bot (exec?)
[21:13:31] <Bytram> ~help
[21:13:31] <exec> alias "~help" requires additional trailing argument
[21:13:43] <Bytram> aha.
[21:13:46] <Bytram> !help
[21:13:46] <Bender> documentation for jsonbot can be found at http://jsonbot.org
[21:13:50] <Bender> see !list for loaded plugins and "!help plugin" for help on the plugin.
[21:13:56] <Bytram> !list
[21:13:56] <Bender> available plugins: admin, cfg, chan, chatlog, core, fleet, grabquote, ignore, irc, karma, koffie, lod, markov, more, plug, relay, soylentrss, sylnt, todo, twitter, uidchecker, urlinfo, user
[21:14:53] <Bytram> !help urlinfo
[21:14:53] <Bender> can't find help on urlinfo
[21:14:53] <ciri> Help is only available for the following: all,google,images,groups,news,local,book,video,fight,youtube,translate,gamespot,gamefaqs,blog,ebay,ebayfight,wikipedia,wikimedia,locate,review,torrent,top,popular,dailymotion,ign,myspace,trends,scholar
[21:18:09] <Bytram> no bread, but there's circuses: http://phys.org
[21:18:10] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03561.71ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/muckns3 14 )[1]: 03Netflix earnings double as membership tops 50 million
[21:22:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... appears something i did broke moderation entirely on the vm. guess i'll jump on the why tomorrow.
[21:25:41] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: everything in moderation, eh? including moderation of modifying moderation. =)
[21:25:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, all of the things
[21:26:08] <Bytram> nod nod
[21:26:39] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: btw, how's things with UTF-8? Is there someplace with it in its final state that I can poke at?
[21:27:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, it's on dev last i checked. break the bastich to your heart's content cause this appears to me to be a final version, barring a move to support 4byte characters in the db.
[21:28:08] <Bytram> so how many bytes *do* we support?
[21:28:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> up to codepoint 0xFF, so two or three depending on how you look at it.
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[21:29:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> the rest are converted to entities
[21:29:11] <Bytram> TheMightyBrazzersBorg: also, are there any 'interesting' code paths I should be aware of besides the 'side access' of previewing a story or comment.
[21:29:22] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> Yes
[21:29:28] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> as you said my friend
[21:29:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> TheMightyBrazzersBorg, serves you right
[21:29:44] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> we shall assimilate you all.
[21:29:51] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: wait a sec.. utf-8 but only up to 0xFF?????
[21:30:17] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> !help ign
[21:30:17] <Bender> can't find help on ign
[21:30:33] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> !igame dragon prophet
[21:30:36] <Bytram> what do you do with the *rest* of 'em?
[21:30:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, entity conversion.
[21:31:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> 0xFF does cover quite a bit of ground though.
[21:32:06] <Bytram> yeah, I'll need to test between ISO-8859-1 and Unicode...
[21:33:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> i forget exactly how the code handles that. i think any mismatches get converted to entities but i wouldn't swear to it.
[21:33:09] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: so, anything that results in a utf8 value greater than 0xFF is stored as a decimal (or hex?) numeric character entity?
[21:33:18] <paulej72> !help soylentrss
[21:33:18] <Bender> can't find help on soylentrss
[21:33:18] <ciri> Help is only available for the following: all,google,images,groups,news,local,book,video,fight,youtube,translate,gamespot,gamefaqs,blog,ebay,ebayfight,wikipedia,wikimedia,locate,review,torrent,top,popular,dailymotion,ign,myspace,trends,scholar
[21:33:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, hex i believe
[21:33:30] <paulej72> bender is not helpful
[21:33:51] <Bytram> makes more sense from a size perspective.
[21:34:02] * TheMightyBuzzard just woke up from a nap and hasn't looked at unicode code in a couple of weeks.
[21:34:15] <Bytram> nod nod
[21:34:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, yeah, that was my thinking
[21:34:37] * Bytram just got up from a nap a while ago, too.
[21:34:39] <Bytram> nap++
[21:34:39] <Bender> karma - nap: 1
[21:34:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus it lets me see everything we do in the same number base
[21:34:57] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> borg++
[21:34:57] <Bender> karma - borg: 2
[21:34:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> nap++
[21:34:57] <Bender> karma - nap: 2
[21:35:08] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> brazzers++
[21:35:08] <Bender> karma - brazzers: 1
[21:38:50] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: you know anything bout this other charcter whose name also starts with 'The' ??
[21:39:17] <Bytram> and whose name gets prompted by autocomplete before yours, too. :/
[21:40:16] <Bytram> paulej72: ping? seems out cache is getting stale again???
[21:40:32] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> !ebay brazzers
[21:40:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, beats me. I'd have to pay attention for that.
[21:40:43] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> ciri ebay brazzers
[21:42:21] <Bytram> paulej72: oh, or maybe not... I think I just misread utc as being edt! sorry to bother you.
[21:42:41] <paulej72> well I just did a reload on the slash.
[21:43:21] <Bytram> thanks for the info... I've had some troubles getting and staying on-line using my phone earlier today... am now tethered.
[21:44:03] <Bytram> the file system corruption we experienced... has anyone checked with our linode folks to make sure the hardware is okay?
[21:44:15] <Bytram> or was that *all* self-induced
[21:44:53] <paulej72> I tink that mght have been self induced
[21:45:19] <Bytram> that is helpful to know; thanks!
[21:47:00] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> UTF is broken on Soylent
[21:47:01] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> T_t
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[21:49:28] <Blackmoore> Bytram: chack the log around 13:35
[21:50:02] <Bytram> Blackmoore: what time you got now?
[21:50:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> Alberto, the nick thing ceases to amuse after a few hours.
[21:50:21] <Bytram> nod nod
[21:50:46] <Bytram> it also intrudes on the timestamp field in my IRC client window
[21:51:13] <Bytram> besides, I keep getting prompted to send msgs to TheMightyBrazzersBorg instead of to TheMightyBuzzard as I intend
[21:53:44] <paulej72> kkkslkfjsklja’jkkljskjakjfgijewgoiaiogfaijglkjslsjkslaljsaljasjlnhjlhjlhafg
[21:54:04] <Blackmoore> paulej72: that looks self induced too.
[21:54:12] <Bytram> paulej72: are you face-typing again?
[21:54:12] <paulej72> yes it was
[21:55:04] <paulej72> lol, I think Methonal-fueled said someting about tying with his cock at one point.
[21:55:19] <Blackmoore> cripes. I need to set down, make a "3d-Drink "printer"" and send one to each of you to despense alcohol .
[21:55:38] * Bytram admires your dedication... you even try to write code *while* you sleep!
[21:55:49] <paulej72> s/tying/typing/
[21:55:49] <SedBot2> <paulej72> lol, I think Methonal-fueled said someting about typing with his cock at one point.
[21:56:31] <arti> "did some dick type this?"
[21:57:30] * TheMightyBuzzard goes back to filling up a huge hole in minecraft
[21:57:31] <Bytram> well all, time for me to head out...
[21:57:38] <arti> take care bytr
[21:57:40] <Bytram> have fun!
[21:57:42] <arti> Bytram >.>
[21:57:53] <Bytram> arti: lol! ttfn
[21:57:55] <arti> buzzard, making a sarlacc pit?
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[21:59:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> arti, making a lack of one
[22:00:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> it was trying to occupy the same space i plan on using for a castle keep
[22:00:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> or its foundation anyway
[22:03:53] <arti> shoot me an ip, been awhile since i've minecrafted
[22:03:59] <arti> moons, i got butthurt after i lost a level
[22:04:14] <arti> i restored most of it, but a solid month or two of work was lost and i was over it
[22:08:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> arti, tmbvm.ddns.net
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[22:10:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - iPhone 6 Sapphire Display Better than Gorilla Glass, but Not Completely Scratch-Proof - http://sylnt.us - don't-carry-sandpaper-in-your-pocket
[22:10:21] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03697.473ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/njn9n36 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | iPhone 6 Sapphire Display Better than Gorilla Glass, but Not Completely Scratch-Proof
[22:11:02] <TheMightyBrazzersBorg> TheMightyBuzzard, wazap bro
[22:11:21] TheMightyBrazzersBorg is now known as Alberto
[22:11:24] <Alberto> done :D
[22:11:24] <arti> thank you, i'll scope it in a bit, gotta phonecall
[22:11:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> Alberto, cheers
[22:11:38] <arti> i like how brazzers is international
[22:11:47] <Alberto> as PornHub
[22:11:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> porn knows no boundaries
[22:11:49] <Alberto> or Xvideos
[22:11:52] <Alberto> or Youporn
[22:11:56] <Alberto> or Poringa
[22:11:57] <Alberto> :D
[22:12:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> motherless
[22:12:14] <arti> there was a story about some university students demoing something on a phone, it was a girl
[22:12:31] <arti> and they did a closeup of her navigating something, and one of the recent items was a pornhub link
[22:13:00] <Alberto> well girls see porn as well
[22:13:09] <arti> nuh uh!
[22:13:10] <Alberto> or she maybe was looking for a job o.O
[22:13:12] <arti> and they don't oop
[22:13:55] <paulej72> ~define oop
[22:13:57] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3oops: The most dreadful word in nuclear physics.
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[22:14:16] <juggler> Alberto--
[22:14:16] <Bender> karma - alberto: 0
[22:14:17] <juggler> Alberto--
[22:14:18] <Bender> karma - alberto: -1
[22:14:19] <juggler> Alberto--
[22:14:19] <Bender> karma - alberto: -2
[22:14:26] <Alberto> juggler, i hate you
[22:14:33] <Alberto> juggler--
[22:14:33] <Bender> karma - juggler: -1
[22:14:34] <Alberto> juggler--
[22:14:34] <Bender> karma - juggler: -2
[22:14:36] <Alberto> :)
[22:14:52] <Alberto> crutchy++
[22:14:52] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 85
[22:15:02] <Alberto> ~define lmao
[22:15:04] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3lmao: Laughing My Ass Off. Used online only.
[22:15:09] <paulej72> that was kobach running juggler
[22:15:18] <kobach> paulej72: what the fuck
[22:15:18] <Alberto> i hae kobach
[22:15:24] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:15:24] <Bender> karma - kobach: 19
[22:15:27] <paulej72> lol
[22:15:33] <Alberto> he's MEAN
[22:15:33] <kobach> since you ruined the fun, im going to create my own
[22:15:36] <kobach> Alberto--
[22:15:36] <Bender> karma - alberto: -3
[22:15:37] <kobach> Alberto--
[22:15:37] <Bender> karma - alberto: -4
[22:15:37] <kobach> Alberto--
[22:15:38] <Bender> karma - alberto: -5
[22:15:38] <kobach> Alberto--
[22:15:38] <Bender> karma - alberto: -6
[22:15:40] <kobach> Alberto--
[22:15:40] <Bender> karma - alberto: -7
[22:15:42] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:15:42] <Bender> karma - kobach: 18
[22:15:43] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:15:43] <Bender> karma - kobach: 17
[22:15:43] <kobach> Alberto--
[22:15:43] <Bender> karma - alberto: -8
[22:15:43] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:15:43] <Bender> karma - kobach: 16
[22:15:44] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:15:44] <Bender> karma - kobach: 15
[22:15:44] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:15:44] <Bender> karma - kobach: 14
[22:15:45] <kobach> Alberto--
[22:15:45] <Bender> karma - alberto: -9
[22:15:45] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:15:45] <Bender> karma - kobach: 13
[22:15:46] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:15:46] <Bender> karma - kobach: 12
[22:15:47] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:15:47] <Bender> karma - kobach: 11
[22:15:48] <kobach> Alberto--
[22:15:48] <Bender> karma - alberto: -10
[22:15:49] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:15:49] <Bender> karma - kobach: 10
[22:15:50] <kobach> Alberto--
[22:15:50] <Bender> karma - alberto: -11
[22:15:51] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:15:51] <Bender> karma - kobach: 9
[22:15:53] <kobach> Alberto--
[22:15:53] <Bender> karma - alberto: -12
[22:15:53] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:15:53] <Bender> karma - kobach: 8
[22:15:55] <kobach> Alberto--
[22:15:55] <Bender> karma - alberto: -13
[22:15:57] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:15:57] <Bender> karma - kobach: 7
[22:15:58] <kobach> Alberto--
[22:15:58] <Bender> karma - alberto: -14
[22:15:59] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:15:59] <Bender> karma - kobach: 6
[22:16:00] <kobach> Alberto--
[22:16:00] <Bender> karma - alberto: -15
[22:16:01] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:16:01] <Bender> karma - kobach: 5
[22:16:03] <kobach> Alberto--
[22:16:03] <Bender> karma - alberto: -16
[22:16:03] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:16:03] <Bender> karma - kobach: 4
[22:16:05] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:16:05] <kobach> Alberto--
[22:16:05] <Bender> karma - kobach: 3
[22:16:05] <Bender> karma - alberto: -17
[22:16:07] <Alberto> die die die
[22:16:08] <kobach> Alberto--
[22:16:08] <Bender> karma - alberto: -18
[22:16:09] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:16:09] <Bender> karma - kobach: 2
[22:16:10] <kobach> Alberto--
[22:16:10] <Bender> karma - alberto: -19
[22:16:11] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:16:11] <Bender> karma - kobach: 1
[22:16:13] <kobach> Alberto--
[22:16:13] <Bender> karma - alberto: -20
[22:16:13] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:16:15] <kobach> Alberto--
[22:16:18] <kobach> Alberto--
[22:16:20] <juggler> Alberto--
[22:16:23] <juggler> Alberto--
[22:16:35] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:16:35] <Bender> karma - kobach: -1
[22:16:37] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:16:37] <Bender> karma - kobach: -2
[22:16:39] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:16:39] <Bender> karma - kobach: -3
[22:16:41] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:16:41] <Bender> karma - kobach: -4
[22:16:43] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:16:43] <Bender> karma - kobach: -5
[22:16:45] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:16:45] <Bender> karma - kobach: -6
[22:16:47] <Alberto> kobach--
[22:16:47] <Bender> karma - kobach: -7
[22:16:49] <Alberto> stop
[22:16:51] <Alberto> i know ths game
[22:16:53] <Alberto> you will edit the DB
[22:16:57] <Alberto> as usual
[22:16:59] <Alberto> i know your tactics boy
[22:17:13] <kobach> .quiet Alberto
[22:17:13] -!- mode/#Soylent [+q *!*@187.214.mnu.li] by juggler
[22:17:32] <kobach> dont hit my highlighter again
[22:18:16] -!- Alberto has quit [Changing host]
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[22:18:59] <paulej72> .unquite alberto
[22:19:08] <paulej72> .unquiet alberto
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[22:19:37] root_ is now known as kobachisgayandlovesdicks
[22:19:41] <kobachisgayandlovesdicks> Hello
[22:19:42] <kobachisgayandlovesdicks> :)
[22:19:48] <paulej72> .unquiet Alberto
[22:19:53] <kobach> .unquiet Alberto
[22:20:01] <kobach> see bot doesnt even care
[22:20:16] <kobach> .op
[22:20:16] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o kobach] by juggler
[22:20:20] -!- mode/#Soylent [-q *!*@187.214.mnu.li] by kobach
[22:20:34] <arti> action
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[22:20:39] * TheMightyBuzzard afks a few
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[22:21:10] <kobach> leave for days, come back 5 minutes, nothing but pure bullshit
[22:21:16] <arti> hahaha
[22:21:27] <KobachIsMean> you are a mean person ¬¬
[22:21:28] <arti> hey buddy, how's it going?
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[22:21:41] <kobach> twice
[22:21:43] <kobach> 3 times?
[22:21:47] -!- KobachIsNice [KobachIsNice!~nobody@64.31.pu.ujq] has joined #Soylent
[22:21:48] <KobachIsNice> ok
[22:21:51] <kobach> .kickban KobachIsNice
[22:21:51] -!- mode/#Soylent [+b *!*@64.31.pu.ujq] by juggler
[22:21:51] -!- KobachIsNice was kicked from #Soylent by juggler!SN@services. [(kobach) No reason given]
[22:22:07] <kobach> he never learns
[22:22:29] <kobach> im here 3x a week and he cant not poke me for no reason
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[22:22:49] * arti is reminded of monkeys that harass tigers
[22:22:50] <IdoLearn> peace
[22:22:51] <kobach> i have better shit to do on this network than babyshit you
[22:22:54] -!- kobach [kobach!~nope@SettleDownKids/Staff/IRC/kobach] has parted #Soylent
[22:23:00] * IdoLearn Wins
[22:23:33] <paulej72> what got his panties in a bind?
[22:23:42] <IdoLearn> no idea
[22:23:53] <IdoLearn> he did the -- and then when you do the same he gets mad.
[22:23:56] <IdoLearn> He's weird
[22:24:01] <IdoLearn> o.O
[22:24:03] <paulej72> he seemed to have started it today
[22:24:23] <IdoLearn> is like do what i say not what i do.
[22:24:30] <IdoLearn> Live by example right?
[22:25:42] <IdoLearn> the NNTP service will be free? or subs based?
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[22:30:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't believe it's been decided
[22:30:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> my guess would be free
[22:31:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> but then wtf do i know. i'm just a code monkey.
[22:31:03] -!- mode/#Soylent [-b *!*@64.31.pu.ujq] by juggler
[22:31:06] <arti> lol
[22:32:02] <paulej72> IdoLearn: looks like the ban has been lifted by kobach
[22:34:33] * arti is amused by this
[22:35:50] <crutchy> dafuq. there was a karma war and i missed it :-/
[22:36:07] <arti> hey we should try something since we've got enough people here!
[22:36:11] <arti> "who said it!"
[22:36:28] <paulej72> wasn’t me
[22:36:42] <crutchy> i err didn't do it
[22:37:19] <arti> okay! the game has a theme, then you msg ciri with your word, then after everyone does it we guess who said what
[22:37:52] <arti> need 3 peeps, we can do this in ##
[22:38:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++ crutchy
[22:38:43] <Bender> karma - coffee: 423
[22:38:58] <paulej72> .unquiet *!*@187.214.mnu.li
[22:39:02] <crutchy> coffee++
[22:39:02] <Bender> karma - coffee: 424
[22:41:37] <IdoLearn> crutchy!
[22:41:43] <IdoLearn> sup
[22:42:05] <IdoLearn> paulej72, kobach loves me and hates me :D
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[22:43:01] <crutchy> hey IdoLearn (alberto)
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[23:11:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Claims Users NEED Bad Passwords and Should Reuse Them a Lot - http://sylnt.us - contradictory-advice
[23:11:08] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 031.004sec. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/qadz8yu 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | Microsoft Claims Users NEED Bad Passwords and Should Reuse Them a Lot
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[23:18:56] <crutchy> Bender: s/contradictory-advice/from-the-we-want-you-to-look-bad-so-we-dont-look-so-bad dept./
[23:18:57] <SedBot2> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Claims Users NEED Bad Passwords and Should Reuse Them a Lot - http://sylnt.us - from-the-we-want-you-to-look-bad-so-we-dont-look-so-bad dept.
[23:18:58] <ciri> 14Title(03utf-8 14/ 03596.075ms. 14/ 12http://tinyurl.com/qadz8yu 14 )[1]: 03SoylentNews | Microsoft Claims Users NEED Bad Passwords and Should Reuse Them a Lot
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