#Soylent | Logs for 2014-07-19

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[00:03:06] <crutchy> ~time il
[00:03:07] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 19 July 2014, 12:03:06 am
[00:03:20] <crutchy> ~time chicago
[00:03:21] <exec> [Google] 7:03pm Friday (CDT) - Time in Chicago, IL, USA
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[00:05:02] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v stderr] by juggler
[00:05:30] <juggs> making improvements crutchy?
[00:05:53] <stderr> Anyone here speaking PHP?
[00:06:49] <arti> what's up?
[00:06:50] <crutchy> echo "i'm not sure stderr :-P\n";
[00:07:37] <stderr> On https://www.virusbtn.com the first figure says $n = unpack("C*", fread($f, 8)); and then $so[7] = sprintf("%c", $n[8]);
[00:08:07] <stderr> I don't do PHP, but would the first of those lines make $n an array of size 8?
[00:08:35] <stderr> And if so, isn't $n[8] out of range?
[00:10:06] <arti> hmm
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[00:10:24] <arti> looks like fread reads 8, and then arrays are 0 based
[00:10:53] <arti> $so[7] = position 8
[00:11:15] <arti> the off by one stuff is always fun
[00:11:29] <stderr> Yes, but does $n[8] make any sense, if n only has 8 "slots"? From #0 to #7.
[00:12:05] <stderr> So there's a bug in the """virus""".
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[00:12:16] <stderr> One set of " wasn't enough for that one. :-)
[00:12:19] <arti> maybe they're not giving exactly working code ?
[00:12:24] <arti> doubt it lol
[00:16:53] <arti> looks like unpack doesn't return an zero based index
[00:17:21] <arti> that's awesome
[00:19:36] <stderr> Ah, that would explain it.
[00:19:48] <stderr> It just doesn't explain why PHP is that insane...
[00:19:49] <ciri> Largely because i have a good recommendation. Pipedot's php is not well endowed.
[00:20:34] <juggs> Is ciri engaging in espionage?
[00:20:46] <arti> that would be very impressive
[00:21:26] <crutchy> juggs... sorta thinking of breaking exec up a little more
[00:21:47] <crutchy> just mucking around for now
[00:23:22] <stderr> WTF?! basename("/usr/bin/host") ? You mean "host"?
[00:23:26] <crutchy> stderr... in php array elements are allocated by index even if that index doesn't exist.
[00:23:52] <crutchy> i dunno what is unpacked into the array though
[00:24:03] <crutchy> maybe its the eol char
[00:24:15] <stderr> The 8 first bytes of /usr/bin/host
[00:24:31] <arti> "/usr/bin"
[00:24:57] <stderr> arti?
[00:25:08] <crutchy> arti: s/usr/rubbish/
[00:25:08] <exec> <crutchy> <arti> "/rubbish/bin"
[00:25:42] <arti> first 8 bytes of that string :P
[00:26:15] <crutchy> what's in $f?
[00:26:21] <arti> file handle?
[00:26:29] <crutchy> yeah i guess
[00:26:42] <arti> in that code it is, read binary
[00:26:53] <crutchy> i don't usually use fread on files
[00:26:55] <stderr> "On https://www.virusbtn.com the first figure says..."
[00:27:08] <stderr> You could look at that figure to see the code...
[00:27:32] <stderr> https://www.virusbtn.com
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[00:28:40] <crutchy> i'm curious about how that code gets to execute in the first place
[00:28:56] <crutchy> if you had furlopen=true in php.ini maybe
[00:29:12] <arti> or poke it in via some other sploit
[00:29:23] <arti> "i've added it to every page!"
[00:29:55] <crutchy> why i don't like using anything that doesn't come from the debian repos
[00:30:50] <arti> even if you get it from debian it won't help you if you write a crummy page
[00:31:01] <arti> "check it out, i allow file uploads and directory listing!"
[00:31:05] <stderr> crutchy: I do use stuff that doesn't come from Debian... My homemade stuff isn't in Debian (yet).
[00:31:44] <crutchy> i guess personal code is always a risk
[00:31:52] <crutchy> but how bad would it have to be?
[00:32:08] <crutchy> does anyone write scripts in their website that executes uploads?
[00:32:33] <arti> depends, wordpress sites can be compromised from free templates
[00:32:41] <arti> or shoddy plugins
[00:33:04] <crutchy> ah the scourge of frameworks
[00:33:54] * arti chuckles
[00:35:19] * crutchy will stick with his glowballs
[00:36:13] <crutchy> stderr... you working on something to go in the debian repos?
[00:36:22] <arti> i think its a special php page
[00:36:28] <crutchy> lol
[00:36:29] <arti> ge0wnt.php
[00:36:38] <stderr> crutchy: Maybe.
[00:36:45] <crutchy> sweet :-)
[00:36:57] <arti> i think it might be.... open to interpretation :>
[00:37:12] <crutchy> debian > ubuntu :-P
[00:37:25] * crutchy hides
[00:37:26] <stderr> arti: You know, you could read the page I have linked to, twice...
[00:37:41] * arti pets stderr
[00:37:44] <arti> i've looked at the page
[00:37:47] <stderr> Unless that's too easy? :-)
[00:37:52] <crutchy> but its got *paragraphs*!
[00:37:54] <arti> and my interpretation comment is a joke on .php
[00:38:00] <stderr> crutchy: And words!
[00:38:04] <stderr> And longwords!
[00:38:13] <arti> and beyond that, see my comments regarding your lack of looking up function names
[00:38:22] <stderr> And "bits", whatever that is...
[00:38:25] <crutchy> i'm still only halfway through my 2nd coffee of the morning... i can't handle paragraphs yet
[00:38:35] <arti> it's almost like there is a manual online where you can find all the functions for this language
[00:38:51] <crutchy> and an irc bot :-P
[00:38:58] <arti> that's why i didn't reply to you linking that stuff
[00:39:02] <arti> because i already saw it
[00:39:13] <crutchy> ~php remote_pwnage
[00:39:14] <exec> function not found
[00:39:25] <arti> i'll chalk this up to an ESL issue
[00:39:31] <arti> otherwise character flaw
[00:39:48] <crutchy> arti: s/character/unicode
[00:39:49] <exec> <crutchy> <arti> otherwise unicode flaw
[00:39:54] <arti> crutchy++
[00:39:54] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 80
[00:40:27] <stderr> arti: A language where unpack doesn't return a 0-indexed array is just stupid. I made a very silly mistake and thought that at least PHP wouldn't be that stupid... Guess I was wrong.
[00:40:48] <stderr> That's not something you would have to look up in a sane programming language.
[00:40:51] <arti> unpack is like exec
[00:40:59] <arti> used by sheisters
[00:41:03] * crutchy has nfi what unpack is :-P
[00:41:07] <crutchy> lol
[00:41:17] <arti> its speculation, i gleened that from the comments on the unpack page
[00:41:35] <arti> which are in conflict
[00:41:50] <arti> If no key name is given [e.g., unpack('C*',$data)], the keys are simply integers starting at 1, and you have a standard array. (I know of no way to get the array to start at zero.)
[00:42:03] <arti> If you use multiple types, you must give a key name for all of them (except optionally one), because the key counter is reset with each slash. For example, in unpack('n2/C*',$data), indices 1 and 2 of the returned array are filled by integers ('n'), then overwritten with characters ('C').
[00:42:07] <crutchy> stderr... php arrays are very loose
[00:42:16] <crutchy> you can use whatever index you like
[00:42:27] <crutchy> its good and bad i guess
[00:42:57] <crutchy> i think its designed to be uber-flexible though
[00:43:00] <arti> if you want it to start at 0...
[00:43:22] <stderr> arti: Oh, dear... I have used both unpack() and exec()... :-)
[00:43:23] <ciri> Arti - i havn't actually checked the 'postgresql' package, whereas you can tell it it should not happen, but i've been good arti.
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[00:43:48] <arti> If having a zero-based index is useful/necessary, then instead of:
[00:43:48] <arti> $int_list = unpack("s*", $some_binary_data);
[00:43:48] <arti> try:
[00:43:48] <arti> $int_list = array_merge(unpack("s*", $some_binary_data));
[00:44:02] <crutchy> proc_open > exec :-)
[00:44:11] <arti> crutchy, you don't use exec in js though
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[00:44:16] <arti> faggot dick anus butt
[00:44:21] <Ethanol-fueled> http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:28] <Ethanol-fueled> what do you all think of the latest entry?
[00:44:33] <crutchy> vagina
[00:44:36] <crutchy> :-P
[00:44:47] <stderr> Ethanol-fueled: I think nothing of it...
[00:44:47] <Ethanol-fueled> am I a dumbass moron for overcomplicating the solution to that problem?
[00:44:58] <arti> would you consider it a final solution?
[00:44:59] * SpallsHurgenson stares down at his salad and sighs...
[00:44:59] <crutchy> how's it hangin Ethanol-fueled?
[00:45:05] <stderr> Mainly because I haven't read it.
[00:45:07] <Ethanol-fueled> stderr - does that mean you hate it or just don't give a shit?
[00:45:13] <arti> allow me to be stderr
[00:45:15] <crutchy> SpallsHurgenson, what did you do to your salad?
[00:45:19] <arti> http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:23] <arti> here, i've linked it again
[00:45:31] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm eating it; that's the problem
[00:45:33] <crutchy> now now lets play nice
[00:45:49] * arti kicks dirt at crutchy
[00:45:55] <crutchy> do you have a tooth ache?
[00:45:56] * SpallsHurgenson is pretty sure salad isn't meant to be eaten
[00:46:03] <arti> drench it in ranch
[00:46:06] <Ethanol-fueled> salad is fucking rabbit food.
[00:46:23] <stderr> salad is food for my food.
[00:46:24] <arti> stderr, you're danish right?
[00:46:25] <Ethanol-fueled> scoop a bunch of bacon and lardons innit.
[00:46:32] <crutchy> maybe if you sprinkle a little steak on your salad?'
[00:46:36] <stderr> arti: Yes.
[00:46:45] <arti> do you have one of those standing desks by chance?
[00:46:50] <crutchy> it could be considered a garnish
[00:46:55] <SpallsHurgenson> I could sure go for a danish
[00:47:09] <arti> they do have some pretty people there
[00:47:17] <arti> isn't alcohol super taxed
[00:47:22] <juggs> Ethanol-fueled, if it encourages a lazy way to do something I'm all for it
[00:47:23] <crutchy> danish chicks are hot
[00:47:27] <stderr> arti: What standing desks?
[00:47:33] * arti works with two danish guys who have told me many tales
[00:47:49] <Ethanol-fueled> +stderr, it's becoming a fad in america
[00:48:02] <SpallsHurgenson> never trust a dane! :)
[00:48:07] <arti> i don't.
[00:48:09] <Ethanol-fueled> high desks + no chair = you stand up all damn day at your workstation.
[00:48:16] <Ethanol-fueled> for "health" reasons.
[00:48:17] <arti> especially with their hax0r interests
[00:48:23] * arti won't name names
[00:48:41] <crutchy> tradespeople and process workers have been standing all day in their jobs for years
[00:49:03] <crutchy> there was another one too wasn't there arti?
[00:49:06] <arti> greetings Ethanol-fueled, how are you on this firday?
[00:49:08] <SpallsHurgenson> I went to school so I could get a chair, damnit!
[00:49:09] <arti> ...friday
[00:49:40] <Ethanol-fueled> Hurting, arti. Physically. Time for incapacitation and devolution into racial slurs before I pass out with my pants pissed.
[00:49:40] <arti> to be honest i was expecting completely different discourse
[00:49:56] <juggs> Linus uses one apparently - not sure if that acts as a recommendation or not. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk
[00:50:11] <arti> you should join me and some friends, whom i totally didn't pay to be in my company, for a run
[00:50:34] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, did your last err activity involve getting smacked around?
[00:50:50] <Ethanol-fueled> Sciatica.
[00:51:07] <crutchy> ~translate en Sciatica
[00:51:08] <exec> [google translate] Sciatica (auto -> en): Sciatica
[00:51:08] <arti> what level does that force ability unlock?
[00:51:15] <crutchy> doh
[00:51:33] <Ethanol-fueled> Juggs, that makes sense -- some people have one big mess but they know where each and every little thing is, and have everything at arm's length.
[00:51:37] <juggs> sciatica's a bitch - I had a bout after I put my back out... unpleasant painful and evil
[00:51:43] <Ethanol-fueled> So they don't have to get up and pretend to be civil to assholes all day.
[00:52:03] <arti> i've got some cookies that'll knock you out
[00:52:16] <crutchy> ah. for a moment i thought it was spanish profanity or something :-p
[00:52:17] <stderr> Ethanol-fueled: It's not a mess, if you know where everything is, is it?
[00:52:17] <arti> no inflammation like some of the other stuff you imbibe
[00:52:37] <Ethanol-fueled> stderr - that depends on whether or not you have to share shit with others.
[00:52:38] <crutchy> ~define imbibe
[00:52:40] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3imbibe: (v.) To drink; To take in. latin root bibet (drink)
[00:52:54] <crutchy> oky doky
[00:53:01] <stderr> Ethanol-fueled: Luckily I don't.
[00:53:22] <crutchy> i think a tidy desk is kinda part of the whole professional thing
[00:53:42] <arti> my office desk is clean, my home one is cluttered
[00:53:49] <crutchy> that's ok
[00:53:54] <arti> i simply don't keep enough stuff at the office to get it messy
[00:54:24] <arti> stderr, are you a hermit?
[00:54:42] <crutchy> my work desk is neat but my home desk is covered in kids drawings and... i have nfi what else. hence why i'm using my lappy on the couch :-p
[00:54:55] <stderr> My office desk isn't really big enough to be messy... The three monitors takes up most of the space.
[00:55:06] <crutchy> arti. i'm a hermit
[00:55:17] <crutchy> i fucking hate dealing with people in rl
[00:55:18] <arti> it comes with being a family man
[00:55:20] <ciri> Ala man faye.
[00:55:26] <arti> yes, even man faye
[00:55:30] <crutchy> arti++ true
[00:55:30] <Bender> karma - arti: 56
[00:55:42] <Ethanol-fueled> I got a phat 8-foot ESD workstation, double-decked, with dual monitors. Unfortunately as hourly plebe scum we are required to clean them off everyday before we leave.
[00:55:51] <arti> Extra Sexy Desk
[00:55:56] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled: triple monitor :-)
[00:56:21] <crutchy> though one is a synergy-linked linux server, so maybe that doesn't count as triple
[00:56:21] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, you beat me there. My second monitor is actually some shit 1024x768 or some shit.
[00:56:27] <arti> btw you guys see that ultra high end AMD card (praise be to NVIDIA) with 6 display ports
[00:56:47] <crutchy> the other two are 24" for a CAD workstation
[00:56:49] <arti> 1024x768, 1999 called, the matrix wants it monitor
[00:56:51] <juggs> what's the *nix driver support like arti?
[00:56:56] <crutchy> arti. they're overrated
[00:57:06] <crutchy> workstation cards are shit
[00:57:17] <arti> except 16gb of gddr5
[00:57:30] <crutchy> oh wow ok that sounds pretty sweet
[00:57:31] <crutchy> :-P
[00:57:31] <arti> that might be enough to run minecraft
[00:57:34] <crutchy> lol
[00:57:42] <Ethanol-fueled> Are there any solutions which could even integrate 6 monitors without the bezel spaces in between them?
[00:57:44] <crutchy> but does it do gedit?
[00:57:48] <Ethanol-fueled> Swordfish-style>
[00:57:55] <juggs> depends if you're just derping about with a gadzillion terminals or wanting to play games - different cards for different uses
[00:58:02] <crutchy> could do a synergy thing Ethanol-fueled
[00:58:07] <arti> juggs, no idea, i'm an nvidia guy. i bought amd cards awhile back and i'm pretty convinced the driver support hasn't improved
[00:58:19] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy - buzzwords don't just magically make shit happen whenever you say them.
[00:58:35] <crutchy> buzzwords make the world go round :-D
[00:59:27] * juggs nods at arti. Long time nvidia here too - quite simply because of the driver support (yeh, let's not get into the"but proprietary binary blob" stuff - I don't care :P)
[00:59:28] * Ethanol-fueled stole an Nvidia dual-monitor card from a trashed drafter's workstation at work.
[00:59:40] <crutchy> it's just software kvm, but seems to work pretty well for stuff that doesn't need to expand across all monitors... http://synergy-project.org
[00:59:48] <arti> sure they do, otherwise vertical market synergy wouldn't drill down to operationalized top of mind geek gapped externalities
[00:59:53] <Ethanol-fueled> too bad there's nothing more graphcs-intensive than Penguin Racer for Linux BAHAHHAHAHAHHA
[01:00:05] <crutchy> steam
[01:00:07] <arti> Ethanol-fueled: flash!
[01:00:12] <arti> that'll bring it to its knees
[01:00:31] <SpallsHurgenson> Flash! Aaaa-aaaah! Savior of the universe!
[01:00:45] <arti> juggs: agreed
[01:00:51] <Ethanol-fueled> arti: that's just Youtube(Google) fucking with you to see how much poor quality and artifacts you'll tolerate.
[01:00:55] <Ethanol-fueled> Because Jews.
[01:01:02] <arti> Juice.
[01:01:28] <crutchy> i use all nvidia stuff. it mostly works... mostly
[01:01:38] <arti> you played around with the streaming stuff?
[01:01:46] <arti> "i can game on my machine and beam it elsewhere!"
[01:02:11] <crutchy> remote desktop?
[01:02:40] <arti> http://shield.nvidia.com
[01:03:46] <crutchy> i want this guy's setup... http://www.youtube.com
[01:04:01] * crutchy imagine's gedit across three 46" displays
[01:04:15] <Ethanol-fueled> Holy jesus fuck, 27 minute download time for eclipse.
[01:04:51] <juggs> always was a bit of a monster
[01:05:02] <crutchy> what's eclipse?
[01:05:10] <arti> it's a java ide
[01:05:10] <crutchy> is that the ide?
[01:05:10] <Ethanol-fueled> It better suck my dick straight out of the box.
[01:05:23] <arti> written in java, and also for java
[01:05:24] <juggs> crutchy, develpment IDE
[01:05:46] * crutchy has tried eclipse for about half hour... gedit gives better head
[01:06:13] <Ethanol-fueled> eclipse is pig disgusting. Unfortunately, there's no better free option....or is there? Anybody?
[01:06:21] <crutchy> nano?
[01:06:31] <crutchy> nano++
[01:06:31] <Bender> karma - nano: 6
[01:06:40] * Ethanol-fueled smacks crutchy in the mouth with a rolled-up newspaper
[01:06:41] <stderr> Ethanol-fueled: You can probably get a kick in the balls for free... That's better.
[01:06:49] <crutchy> it even does syntax highlighting :-P
[01:06:51] <stderr> nano++
[01:06:51] <Bender> karma - nano: 7
[01:07:12] <Ethanol-fueled> crutchy - like a whole ten seconds after you've moved on to the next block of code.
[01:07:27] <arti> it's all about ee
[01:07:34] <crutchy> yeah... that is a bummer. that's why i use gedit
[01:07:48] <Ethanol-fueled> fuck netbeans. Who do you think I am, a pro?
[01:07:50] <crutchy> it has advanced tabs n shit
[01:07:53] <arti> i used eclipse for titanium projects
[01:08:12] <arti> one perk is it was kinda familiar across platforms
[01:08:59] <crutchy> arti... you need more female perk
[01:09:10] <Ethanol-fueled> arti - that's not the experience I had. When I downloaded the Linux version years ago it was totally unusable, it was really as useful as Gedit with more screen padding. has it become any better since then?
[01:09:17] <stderr> geany works for me.
[01:09:18] * crutchy has forgotten what female perk is
[01:10:30] <stderr> Only thing that annoys me, is if you try to do split view on a file. It'll only allow you to edit in one of the views, not both.
[01:10:45] <arti> female perk?
[01:10:48] <arti> geany is sweet
[01:10:54] <arti> anyway, walking
[01:10:58] <arti> bbiab
[01:11:08] <stderr> So you can't mark something, crtl-x it, switch to the other view and ctrl-v it.
[01:12:48] <Ethanol-fueled> stderr, that really sucks, especially if you deal with monolithic code
[01:13:37] <Ethanol-fueled> we have shitloads of it at work. Really big fuckers. Object-oriented languages but not object-oriented programmers.
[01:14:49] <crutchy> functional rulez man
[01:15:09] <crutchy> though depends a lot on the application
[01:15:10] <stderr> Especially annoying when you try to do it to avoid having one big chuck of code... Like when you try to move a block of code from deep inside one function to its own function.
[01:15:11] <ciri> Paulej72, just the code get's out, so i guess.
[01:15:22] <Ethanol-fueled> I like the monoliths, actually. Less skippig back and forth between source files, having to use diagrams, etc. But there's tradeoffs.
[01:16:00] * paulej72 throws ciri a cirisnack
[01:16:15] * juggs feeds ciri a paulej72
[01:16:56] <crutchy> arti... we need a botnet >:->
[01:17:17] <stderr> Is ciri just putting random words together or something?
[01:17:57] <crutchy> ciri has reached sentience
[01:18:16] <Ethanol-fueled> ciri, which what dost your vaginae scent like
[01:18:32] <crutchy> it constructs a sentience from sentiences typed by others :-P
[01:18:50] <Ethanol-fueled> critchy, can we pollute it with RACIAL SLURS?!!
[01:19:22] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled, it has been polluted with lots of stuff :-P
[01:19:46] <Landon> Ethanol-fueled: have you tried intellij?
[01:19:48] <Landon> as an eclipse alternative
[01:20:08] <juggs> Ethanol-fueled, we try to keep it somewhat family / work friendly in here. ciri is available to be abused / posioned in other channels :D
[01:20:39] <Landon> http://www.jetbrains.com there's a feature limited free version
[01:20:45] <crutchy> ciri: elephant bucket on the table sausage with building cheese dynamite bottle surfing on six trumpets
[01:21:47] <Ethanol-fueled> juggs, I was just joking.
[01:21:59] <crutchy> does ciri accept invites?
[01:22:08] <Ethanol-fueled> I will make an effort to behave and remove myself before I start spouting slurs.
[01:22:17] <crutchy> or do you have to command it with !booty
[01:22:22] <Ethanol-fueled> and if I do, you have my full permission to kick me. I won;t hold it against you.
[01:22:32] <juggs> no worries E-F - it was just a fyi, do a /whois ciri to find out where it can be openly abused and poisoned :D
[01:23:05] <Ethanol-fueled> Landon - I'll give it a shot. Is it free and with a visual editor?
[01:24:31] <Ethanol-fueled> (nevermind, I can look that shit up)
[01:25:16] <Landon> Ethanol-fueled: yes and yes
[01:25:30] <Landon> (the free version is free, at least :) but you'll probably be hooked after using it for a while)
[01:25:43] <Landon> http://www.jetbrains.com
[01:32:00] <crutchy> what language you use Ethanol-fueled?
[01:34:18] <paulej72> not English
[01:37:06] <Ethanol-fueled> Espanol.
[01:37:24] <Ethanol-fueled> The language of the ultra-fertile loud alpha-males.
[01:39:02] <Ethanol-fueled> I think I should expand my project (in the journal) to be a prettyprinter for posting SN posts.
[01:39:34] <Ethanol-fueled> formatting for the compleat idiot. It will empower more SN users to be proud of their posts based on the good looks of the formatting.
[01:40:13] <Ethanol-fueled> It could be kept separate from SN proper to maintain the socal stratification, those who are perceived to need it and those who are not.
[01:40:27] <Ethanol-fueled> Or maybe I'm just an asshole :)
[01:40:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Chicago Plans to Lay Superconducting Cable to Prevent Power Outages - http://sylnt.us - not-just-ordinary-cable
[01:41:32] <Ethanol-fueled> clicking increment or decrement buttons to set the indent level. Auto-indent based on the lines of curly-braces. Bold/italic buttons.
[01:41:42] <Ethanol-fueled> Would that destroy SN's nerd cred?
[01:41:59] <swiss> someone used the phrase "nerd cred" during a meeting today
[01:42:12] <swiss> made me want to throw them out the window
[01:42:13] <Ethanol-fueled> swiss: oh shit. What was the context?
[01:42:40] <swiss> "I didn't want to use C#, since it's made by microsoft, and that would hurt my nerd cred too much"
[01:42:59] <paulej72> we need a spankbot
[01:43:04] <Ethanol-fueled> swiss: are you in America?
[01:43:08] <swiss> "I didn't want to use C#, since it's made by microsoft, and that would hurt my nerd cred too much"
[01:43:11] <swiss> er
[01:43:14] <swiss> yes
[01:44:05] <Ethanol-fueled> That's totally retarded. That guy should have just stayed silent, and dragged out maintaining such a simple languege as if it were alien.
[01:45:20] <juggs> wth is nerd cred? Shoot the idiot
[01:45:34] <Ethanol-fueled> People use it because it's fucking easy. that's why I'm going to post Java and C++ examples tomorrow, because admitting using C# is asking for a beating here.
[01:45:36] <crutchy> just saw the journal Ethanol-fueled. awesome idea
[01:46:18] <crutchy> Ethanol-fueled++
[01:46:25] <crutchy> aww shit
[01:46:29] <Ethanol-fueled> thanks crutchy. I know just enough Java and C++ to make it a reality on other platforms. I wrote the code on my work box, which is WIn 7, and already had a licence for visual studio.
[01:46:34] <SpallsHurgenson> man, after the heat and humidity of earlier this week, I actually felt cold in 75 degree weather
[01:46:46] <Ethanol-fueled> Spalls, where you at?
[01:46:53] <crutchy> ever tried pascal?
[01:46:55] <juggs> Ethanol-fueled, no-one seems to give a damn what you use around here. We have irc bots coded from the ground up in php and no-one went all crotchity on it.
[01:47:24] <swiss> i bitch about MiRC bots
[01:47:30] <Ethanol-fueled> juggs - PHP is one of those languages every talk shit about but secretly admires you for wrangling it.
[01:47:42] <crutchy> my php coding is pretty crotchity... it has glowballs and everything :-P
[01:48:06] * Ethanol-fueled can't even write "hello world" in PHP
[01:49:45] <juggs> echo something or other;
[01:50:11] <crutchy> i think print works too, but i always use echo
[01:50:45] <crutchy> gets even more fucked up when you mix php in with html, css, js, etc
[01:50:48] <SpallsHurgenson> if it can't be done in DOS Batch files, it's not worth doing :)
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[01:51:02] <juggs> been a while since I used any php
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[01:52:07] <crutchy> i just chose to learn php cos of its apparent ubiquity
[01:52:18] <juggs> lol surely we can incorporate hosts files here somewhere
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[01:52:30] <juggs> "You don't like slave runners and decide to sell the captured slave-runner as a slave on the market for 5.6Cr". That's karma in action :D
[01:52:31] <crutchy> we need apk for that
[01:52:39] <crutchy> i'm not qualified to use hosts
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[01:52:51] <paulej72> I know write perl that outputs php that is then run
[01:53:18] <crutchy> you could write some perl to generate php which generates js which generates html/css
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[01:53:58] <crutchy> maybe chuck in some rpc
[01:54:04] <crutchy> moar complexity :-)
[01:54:12] <paulej72> trwtf
[02:01:27] <juggs> does APK really hand wrangle some monstrous hosts file to defeat the evils or is it some long standing joke? if the former, it might indicate a somewhat obsessive personality, which in turn may explain the long-winded diatribes we hold so dear :D
[02:02:30] <Ethanol-fueled> juggs: before I even discovered slashdot, I found out in the internet somehow that a hosts file could prevent the then-new ads and popups.
[02:03:23] <Ethanol-fueled> and I was late to the computing game -- I built my first box at age nineteen and by then there were plenty of people I knew back in the days of BBS and shell accounts.
[02:03:55] <juggs> Ethanol-fueled, sure, in the early www days it was possibly manageable - but now? with so many massively distributed cdn's that has to be a losing battle surely. I prefer the option of just eliminating all scripts.
[02:04:02] <Ethanol-fueled> APK has got to be a professional troll.
[02:04:27] <Ethanol-fueled> juggs: agreed, good thing we have noscript/httpseverywhere/betterprivacy
[02:04:35] <Ethanol-fueled> and many others.
[02:05:14] <Ethanol-fueled> APK is probably one of you motherfuckers.
[02:05:15] <ciri> They were probably using it on the form for you 403 me? I missed!
[02:05:18] <juggs> Most likely, I never bothered clicking on his links to his purported software.
[02:05:35] <Ethanol-fueled> There were links?
[02:05:44] <juggs> Ethanol-fueled, you never know. For all we know - YOU are APK!
[02:06:28] <Ethanol-fueled> before I was Ethanol-fueled I was 2 more aliases I forgot (on slashdot) but I started out as GeneralPurpose.
[02:06:54] <juggs> Ethanol-fueled, yeh - some of his posts include links to some software he sells to manage your hosts files - presumably with his lovingly crafted entries. I have no idea if they were valid links - never cared enough to find out.
[02:07:52] <chromatos> Also threatened some sites with lawsuits because one of his program were classified as malware
[02:07:54] * juggs has to away a few - I have an archbishop to eliminate in the Tiriusri system. I may be some time....
[02:07:58] <Ethanol-fueled> juggs - when you're reading 2 or 3 pages worth of text on a forum like slashdot or SN you get fatigue and don't click the links.
[02:08:34] <crutchy> but he puts so much effort copypasting his linkfests from some huge database
[02:08:54] <Ethanol-fueled> I'll bail as well, the booze is kicking in, I'm in too much pain to go anywhere, and in another few minutes I'll start spouting slurs.
[02:09:01] <crutchy> apparently he likes delphi
[02:09:10] <crutchy> lol
[02:09:19] <chromatos> And opera
[02:09:20] <crutchy> good chattin Ethanol-fueled
[02:09:21] <chromatos> Bastard
[02:09:31] <crutchy> hi chromatos
[02:09:43] <Ethanol-fueled> If I come back in a time period less than 12 hours, it will be to spew slurs and obscenities. Take heed.
[02:09:45] <chromatos> Hey crutchy
[02:09:54] <Ethanol-fueled> bye bye crutchy, everybody else.
[02:10:02] <crutchy> what happened to chromas? he was purple but you're green like ari, juggs and ar
[02:10:07] <crutchy> bye matey
[02:10:11] <crutchy> haf fun
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[02:10:49] <chromatos> We must prepare ciri
[02:10:50] <crutchy> did you kill him off for being too purple?
[02:10:55] <crutchy> oh?
[02:11:52] <crutchy> !decide "prepared" "still looking for matches"
[02:11:53] <ciri> The roll of the dice picks: still looking for matches.
[02:13:05] <crutchy> i'm just about ready to test a ping-reconnect script for exec
[02:13:14] * chromatos wonders if we could auto forward him to a virtual #Soylent full of ciris
[02:13:31] <crutchy> who?
[02:13:37] <crutchy> e-f?
[02:13:48] <chromatos> Yeah
[02:14:04] <chromatos> crutchy++ for exec
[02:14:04] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 81
[02:14:18] <crutchy> he was a bit more chatty today which was a pleasant surprise
[02:15:01] <crutchy> i'm trying to make it work outside the bot
[02:15:32] <crutchy> will be interesting
[02:15:46] <crutchy> ~reload
[02:15:47] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file
[02:15:59] <chromatos> A shell script with a loop that checks the return code?
[02:16:23] <crutchy> exec has timed triggers
[02:16:28] <crutchy> just set it for 60s
[02:16:31] <juggs> well that was not the E-F we have some to know and love was it?
[02:16:42] <juggs> most bizarre
[02:16:49] <juggs> come*
[02:16:51] <crutchy> does a ping with a timestamp like xchat and compares the timestamp on the return pong
[02:17:52] <chromatos> I remember having the time-out issue but then it just quit
[02:18:22] <chromatos> (The timeouts quit)
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[02:37:00] <crutchy> pffft helps if i actually set the timer. not the timout
[02:37:29] <crutchy> ~reload
[02:37:30] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file
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[03:01:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The F-35: A Gold-Plated Turkey - http://sylnt.us - not-nearly-as-tasty
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[04:28:51] <juggs> o/ hi pbnjoe
[04:29:14] <pbnjoe> hey juggs, how're you?
[04:30:26] <juggs> somewhat less than lucid. A calm has befallen me. How're you?
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[04:37:11] <pbnjoe> I'm alright
[04:40:48] <juggs> It gets better :D
[04:41:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Open Rights Group To Take Government To Court Over DRIP - http://sylnt.us - the-fat-lady-hasn't-sung-yet
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[04:42:09] <juggs> ^^^ good for them, shame it will get booted out of court.
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[05:05:10] <crutchy> coffee++
[05:05:10] <Bender> karma - coffee: 396
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[05:20:25] <mrcoolbp> juggs:
[05:20:31] <mrcoolbp> juggs:ping
[05:21:22] <crutchy> g'day mrcoolbp
[05:21:34] <mrcoolbp> g'day crutchy
[05:21:50] <mrcoolbp> oh sayer of "g'days"
[05:21:59] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: how fairest thee?
[05:24:06] <juggs> pong mrcoolbp
[05:24:11] <juggs> sup@
[05:24:14] <juggs> ?
[05:24:15] <crutchy> its cold here
[05:27:41] <mrcoolbp> "it's cold out everyday"
[05:28:06] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: so what's in store next for us in the IRC Bot Dept. ?
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[05:30:14] <crutchy> it has ping timeout restarting now
[05:30:29] <crutchy> juggs endured the whole process :-P
[05:30:57] <crutchy> ~sed on
[05:30:58] <exec> sed enabled for 8#Soylent
[05:45:51] <crutchy> coffee++
[05:45:51] <Bender> karma - coffee: 397
[05:47:17] <mrcoolbp> s/coffee/exec/
[05:47:24] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: s/coffee/exec/
[05:47:25] <exec> <mrcoolbp> <crutchy> exec++
[05:49:50] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: can you make exec translate times to/from UTC?
[05:50:08] <crutchy> yeah i guess
[05:50:12] <crutchy> ~time
[05:50:13] <exec> alias "~time" requires additional trailing argument
[05:50:14] <ciri> ~Time perth.
[05:50:15] <exec> [Google] 1:50pm Saturday (WST) - Time in Perth WA, Australia
[05:50:21] <mrcoolbp> !time Boston
[05:50:21] <Bender> nothing todo for mrcoolbp ;]
[05:50:21] <crutchy> ~time blah
[05:50:23] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 19 July 2014, 05:50:22 am
[05:50:35] <mrcoolbp> ~time Boston
[05:50:35] <exec> [Google] 1:50am Saturday (EDT) - Time in Boston, MA, USA
[05:50:39] <mrcoolbp> ~time UTC
[05:50:41] <exec> [Google] 5:50am Saturday (GMT) - Time in Coordinated Universal Time
[05:51:44] <mrcoolbp> ~Weather Boston
[05:51:48] <exec> Weather for Boston, MA US at 2014-07-19 05:16:00 (UTC) ~ 0.6 hrs ago:
[05:51:48] <exec> temperature = 67°F (19.4°C) dewpoint = 61.7°F (16.5°C)
[05:51:48] <exec> barometric pressure = 1023.9 mb ~ change of 0 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 83%
[05:51:48] <exec> wind speed = 1 mph (1.6 km/h) wind direction = 273°
[05:56:05] <mrcoolbp> ~weather mrcoolbp
[05:56:09] <exec> Weather for Rotterdam Airport Zestienhoven, Netherlands at 2014-07-19 05:25:00 (UTC) ~ 0.5 hrs ago:
[05:56:09] <exec> temperature = 73.4°F (23°C) dewpoint = 62.6°F (17°C)
[05:56:09] <exec> barometric pressure = 1011 mb ~ change of -0.3 mb over past 0.4 hrs relative humdity = 69%
[05:56:10] <exec> wind speed = 7 mph (11.2 km/h) wind direction = 110°
[05:56:25] <mrcoolbp> crutchy: why does it think I'm in NL ?
[05:56:59] <crutchy> its just the way the search works (the search is performed by the weather website
[05:57:01] <crutchy> ~weather
[05:57:02] <exec> IRC WEATHER INFORMATION
[05:57:02] <exec> usage: "~weather location" (visit http://wiki.soylentnews.org for more info)
[05:57:03] <exec> data courtesy of the APRS Citizen Weather Observer Program (CWOP) @ http://weather.gladstonefamily.net
[05:57:03] <exec> by crutchy: https://github.com
[05:57:15] <crutchy> gladstonefamily thing
[05:57:25] <crutchy> if you want you can add a location
[05:57:29] <mrcoolbp> ~weather crutchy
[05:57:33] <exec> Weather for Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 2014-07-19 05:00:00 (UTC) ~ 1 hrs ago:
[05:57:33] <exec> temperature = 54.1°F (12.3°C) dewpoint = 47.1°F (8.4°C)
[05:57:33] <exec> barometric pressure = 1027.8 mb ~ change of -0.5 mb over past 3 hrs relative humdity = 77%
[05:57:33] <exec> wind speed = 12 mph (19.2 km/h) wind direction = 240°
[05:57:43] <crutchy> ~weather-add crutchy latrobe valley airport
[05:57:44] <exec> code "crutchy" set for location "latrobe valley airport"
[05:58:05] <mrcoolbp> ~weather-add mrcoolbp Boston, MA
[05:58:05] <exec> code "mrcoolbp" set for location "Boston, MA"
[05:58:10] <crutchy> ~weather xlefay
[05:58:13] <exec> Weather for Leeuwarden, Netherlands at 2014-07-19 05:25:00 (UTC) ~ 0.6 hrs ago:
[05:58:13] <exec> temperature = 71.6°F (22°C) dewpoint = 62.6°F (17°C)
[05:58:13] <exec> barometric pressure = 1012 mb ~ change of -1 mb over past 0.4 hrs relative humdity = 73%
[05:58:14] <exec> wind speed = 7 mph (11.2 km/h) wind direction = 100°
[05:58:15] <mrcoolbp> ~weather mrcoolbp
[05:58:17] <exec> Weather for Boston, MA US at 2014-07-19 05:16:00 (UTC) ~ 0.7 hrs ago:
[05:58:18] <exec> temperature = 67°F (19.4°C) dewpoint = 61.7°F (16.5°C)
[05:58:18] <exec> barometric pressure = 1023.9 mb ~ change of 0 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 83%
[05:58:19] <exec> wind speed = 1 mph (1.6 km/h) wind direction = 273°
[05:58:28] <mrcoolbp> nice
[05:58:48] <mrcoolbp> ~weather NCommander
[05:58:50] <exec> Weather for Anchorage, AK US at 2014-07-19 05:18:00 (UTC) ~ 0.7 hrs ago:
[05:58:51] <exec> temperature = 64°F (17.8°C) dewpoint = 52.4°F (11.3°C)
[05:58:51] <exec> barometric pressure = 1003.7 mb ~ change of -0.2 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 66%
[05:58:52] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 273°
[05:59:59] <mrcoolbp> Crutchy: is the time it's providing in UTC? It should be in the TZ of that location
[06:00:37] <crutchy> for weather its utc. that's just how the data is provided
[06:00:44] <crutchy> the script is pretty basic
[06:01:10] <crutchy> https://github.com
[06:01:20] * mrcoolbp examines
[06:19:35] <NCommander> you coded a bot in PHP?
[06:20:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Fox News Wants to Swallow Time Warner ...Goodbye US Media Diversity? - http://sylnt.us - the-money-will-win
[06:20:58] <chromatos> And the bot is gaining sentience.
[06:21:17] <juggs> NCommander, I think it is meant to be testing and staging only..
[06:21:37] <crutchy> it's more of a plaything, but it seems to work :-D
[06:22:12] <chromatos> From the swallowing-isn't-always-a-good-ending dept
[06:23:44] * juggs is surprised we haven't seen an E-F reprise yet. Maybe things they are a-changing :D
[06:25:58] <arti> NCommander lol
[06:26:11] <arti> i think the one most repulsed by this is ar
[06:26:16] <NCommander> E-F reprise?
[06:26:33] <juggs> Tolerance - it started here. Acceptance - it started here. Freedom - it started here. Remember to breathe folks :D
[06:27:20] * mrcoolbp waves goodnight
[06:27:31] <arti> good night mrcoolbp
[06:28:28] <juggs> NCommander, Ethanol-Fueled was on earlier being lucid. Scrollback or loggie has it if you care.
[06:29:08] <NCommander> juggs, he must have been out of gas
[06:29:22] <arti> sciatica?
[06:30:02] <chromatos> What happened to Scratch? Now it's a web application and the 'offline editor (beta)' is an adobe air thing now
[06:30:28] <juggs> NCommander, I don't think so, he checked out when he thought he was liable to go into full on rant mode.
[06:31:43] <juggs> arti, I hope you never slip a disc. Anyway I must go horizontal.
[06:31:57] <arti> alright, i'll stand guard
[06:31:58] <crutchy> my rant modes are why i look so terrible in stats
[06:32:12] <crutchy> :=/
[06:32:17] <arti> back injuries are terrible, thankfully i've been fortunate, i've seen it crush people
[06:32:40] <arti> what do you ran about?
[06:32:44] <arti> clouds?
[06:33:16] * juggs is not sure if he feels comforted or disturbed to know arti is in the vicinity.
[06:33:34] <arti> circle both :D
[06:33:35] <ciri> What about bing? :D weeee let this spiral into a fiery theological nothing :d.
[06:33:46] <crutchy> E-F seems pretty switched on. the *episodes* might be chemically-induced :-p
[06:33:52] juggs is now known as juggs|afk
[06:33:58] <crutchy> lol
[06:34:00] <crutchy> ciri++
[06:34:00] <Bender> karma - ciri: 6
[06:34:06] <arti> indeed, should that go into quotes?
[06:34:17] <crutchy> !grab ciri
[06:34:17] <Bender> Added quote 207
[06:34:26] <crutchy> !quote 207
[06:34:27] <Bender> Quote 207 - <ciri> What about bing? :D weeee let this spiral into a fiery theological nothing :d.
[06:34:36] * arti appraises it like a painting
[06:34:37] <crutchy> i love that smiley too
[06:34:42] <crutchy> :d
[06:34:52] <crutchy> kinda reminds me of gir from invader zim
[06:35:05] <crutchy> up tongue instead of down :-D
[06:35:27] <arti> i have some gifs of zim somewhere
[06:36:33] <crutchy> "hi floor... make me a sammich"
[06:36:59] <arti> did you ever play The Neverhood?
[06:37:13] <crutchy> nah i don't listen to hiphop
[06:37:24] <arti> it involves claymation
[06:37:49] <crutchy> like wallace and grommit?
[06:38:25] <arti> yeah
[06:38:39] <arti> it has really distinct music
[06:39:50] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[06:57:26] * crutchy backs away slowly from the web browser
[06:57:32] <arti> lol
[06:57:59] <crutchy> love the bit where he falls down the hole :-D
[06:58:10] <crutchy> and of course the burp
[06:58:26] <arti> they're making something new
[06:58:29] * arti backed the project
[06:58:59] <crutchy> the concept is awesome. looked like a lot of (expensive) work
[06:59:06] <arti> https://www.kickstarter.com
[07:02:02] <crutchy> cool
[07:02:21] <arti> indeed
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[07:07:44] <crutchy> hi janrinok
[07:14:34] <arti> greetings janrinok
[07:15:46] <crutchy> ~weather NCommander
[07:15:48] <exec> Weather for "NCommander" not found. Check spelling or try another nearby location.
[07:18:38] <crutchy> ~weather NCommander
[07:18:41] <exec> Weather for Anchorage, AK US at 2014-07-19 06:48:00 (UTC) ~ 0.5 hrs ago:
[07:18:42] <exec> temperature = 62°F (16.7°C) dewpoint = 51.7°F (10.9°C)
[07:18:42] <exec> barometric pressure = 1003.8 mb ~ change of 0.3 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 69%
[07:18:42] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 142°
[07:19:01] <crutchy> not case sensitive anymore
[07:22:45] <arti> simplifies things
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[07:33:18] <prospectacle> hi people
[07:33:24] <arti> hello prospectacle
[07:34:00] <arti> how are you today?
[07:34:28] <prospectacle> Good thanks. Better than average
[07:34:29] <prospectacle> you?
[07:35:02] <arti> very good, it's going well, doing some experiments
[07:35:09] <prospectacle> oh yeah?
[07:35:24] <arti> nothing too exciting, web front end stuff
[07:35:39] <prospectacle> Angular?
[07:36:29] <arti> yup, animation specifically
[07:36:40] <crutchy> g'day prospectacle
[07:37:01] <prospectacle> what up crutchy
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[07:38:03] <arti> good evening joe
[07:38:14] <crutchy> hi pbnjoe
[07:38:34] <prospectacle> arti, i like web animation. It is just now becoming as powerful as (or better than) flash, due to browser support, and therefore becoming good for virtually any application
[07:38:48] <arti> with svg, especially so
[07:39:01] <prospectacle> arti, wouldn't surprise me if canvas replaced html within a few years for many websites, to the great cries and lamentations of many seasoned web devs
[07:39:40] <arti> that'd be something
[07:39:41] <crutchy> html is a canvas... just a very limited one
[07:40:01] <crutchy> haven't really tried canvas, but heard good things
[07:40:17] <prospectacle> crutchy, yes, you still need <canvas></canvas>, so that's some html at least.
[07:40:20] <pbnjoe> hello everyone
[07:40:35] <prospectacle> arti, I didn't know svg was still a thing, all I've heard about lately is webgl this and that
[07:40:43] <prospectacle> greetings pbnjoe
[07:40:53] <arti> one way to get point data in there at least
[07:40:54] <crutchy> autodesk 360 is testing the limits of canvas apparently
[07:41:30] <prospectacle> I think ironically enough 3d canvas will probably be quicker than 2d, because of the webgl support, although I guess you can do 2d with that as well.
[07:45:57] <prospectacle> you can get a webgl google earth https://www.google.com
[07:58:15] <arti> http://madebyevan.com
[07:59:54] <prospectacle> wow that's a good one
[08:00:32] <arti> https://www.shadertoy.com
[08:01:10] <arti> https://www.shadertoy.com
[08:03:47] <swiss> ugh, i just started doing ajax
[08:03:55] <swiss> i hate myself, cause I don't like ajax stuff much
[08:04:03] <prospectacle> neat little platform game http://raptjs.com
[08:04:03] <swiss> http://veryoblivio.us
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[08:04:36] <prospectacle> swiss, ajax is annoying. Best thing is to write some wrapper functions early on that do the things you want.
[08:05:01] <prospectacle> So instead of the many things, you just have to go remote_procedure(url, data, callback);
[08:05:32] <prospectacle> graph looks good though
[08:06:44] <swiss> yeah, it's just chartfx or something
[08:07:06] <swiss> i'm doing it off a go program i have running on the side generating random numbers
[08:07:28] <prospectacle> cool
[08:07:29] <ciri> Apparently hotdogs aren't good to see what you read in omni magazine could be incredibly cool.
[08:07:57] <arti> yeah, that's a neat little game
[08:07:57] <swiss> it's kinda for work
[08:09:05] <prospectacle> I know it's a minority opinion, but i hate jquery. It's much more fun (and educational) to make your own abstractions.
[08:09:12] <swiss> i agree
[08:09:31] <swiss> but i don't have an interest in creating my own abstractions, or learning javascript really. and more examples are for jquery
[08:09:35] <crutchy> i use hidden iframes instead of ajax, but greasemonkey looks interesting (thanks to nc for the tip)
[08:09:41] <swiss> so i copy paste the example, modify it a bit, and it works
[08:09:49] <arti> greasemonkey is awesome
[08:09:56] <arti> it's like gamegenie for websites
[08:10:27] <prospectacle> swiss, makes sense.
[08:11:00] <crutchy> prospectacle++
[08:11:00] <Bender> karma - prospectacle: 12
[08:11:13] * crutchy prefers to roll his own if possible
[08:12:32] <crutchy> coffee++
[08:12:32] <Bender> karma - coffee: 398
[08:12:47] <crutchy> ooh almost the big 400
[08:12:56] <prospectacle> tea++
[08:12:56] <Bender> karma - tea: 4
[08:12:59] <prospectacle> lol
[08:13:03] <prospectacle> the big 4
[08:14:08] <crutchy> woohoo tea is catching up. it just increased in karma by 25%
[08:14:49] <prospectacle> today I discovered you need to drink 6 white teas in an hour if you want to get high from it
[08:15:12] <prospectacle> by which i mean the stuff that says "white tea" on the packet, not black tea with milk
[08:15:16] <swiss> prospectacle: http://veryoblivio.us is the go source
[08:15:21] <crutchy> i think the high is from the porn, not the tea
[08:15:46] <crutchy> hmm never tried white tea
[08:16:09] <arti> did it say it in quotes too?
[08:16:23] <crutchy> does it come in powdered form?
[08:16:26] <arti> could be grandma's secret stash
[08:16:41] <crutchy> in clear plastic baggies
[08:17:05] <prospectacle> swiss, go looks pretty easy to use
[08:17:37] <arti> the gate way to languages
[08:17:38] <prospectacle> arti, they only sell it from this one shop, that is run out of a guys trunk
[08:17:41] <prospectacle> j/k
[08:17:55] <arti> i'd say pick me up a box next time then, :D
[08:18:16] <crutchy> go looks much easier than the rpc i use
[08:18:26] <prospectacle> really it's in most tea stores but there are usually not many varieties
[08:18:28] <crutchy> php stubs, iframes and js
[08:18:37] <prospectacle> our local supermarket has about 50 teas but only one of them white
[08:18:52] <prospectacle> they use the buds and the leaves, and it's not as much oxidised as the other varieties
[08:19:20] <prospectacle> crutchy, what do you use?
[08:19:27] <prospectacle> oh you just said
[08:19:29] <prospectacle> nm
[08:20:38] <prospectacle> crutchy, yeah not much difference between hidden iframe and ajax. basically the same thing
[08:20:53] <crutchy> i guess the one advantage with roll your own rpc is maximum flexibility
[08:21:00] <arti> purpose built
[08:21:09] <prospectacle> yep
[08:21:19] <swiss> prospectacle: golang is glorious
[08:21:38] <crutchy> i can build the system to do pretty much anything, but that said i gotta build the system :-/
[08:21:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - City of Washington D.C. Decriminalizes Cannabis - http://sylnt.us - finally-ok-to-inhale
[08:22:03] <arti> then you gotta name it
[08:22:18] <crutchy> i thought everyone in DC was smoking pot anyway
[08:22:47] <prospectacle> my prediction of full legalisation within 5 years of colorado is coming true
[08:23:06] <prospectacle> I may have over-stated it a bit, but within 10 seems a virtual certainty
[08:23:12] <crutchy> so now mccain will be smoking a joint while playing with his phone in session
[08:23:14] <chromatos> crutchy: no, they would make more sense then
[08:24:27] <prospectacle> gotta go make some salmon, brb
[08:27:38] <crutchy> my wife is playing color pop on facebook. damn music is stuck in my head :-/
[08:41:00] <prospectacle> sing us a song and you'll cure it and we'll all get a song
[08:48:01] * chromatos hasn't played much minecraft. Are there any legitimate client-side mods?
[08:49:09] * crutchy has never tried minecraft
[08:49:23] <crutchy> it looks evil
[08:51:51] <chromatos> I just cleaned up my nephew's computer and then he started installing some mod shit and suddenly he's got over nine thousand malwares again
[08:52:44] <prospectacle> yeah windows is dumb
[08:52:51] <prospectacle> it's so hard to be confident some software is trustworthy
[08:53:05] <prospectacle> i use it myself, but it's work
[08:53:18] <chromatos> Not sure linux would be any better for that
[08:53:58] <chromatos> java--
[08:53:58] <Bender> karma - java: -2
[08:55:31] <prospectacle> linux certainly not immune from malware. I gather it's a bit better, though, harder to pwn and easier to clean
[08:56:48] <chromatos> Most of it is browser extensions, a proxy to point all the browsers through, and system services
[08:57:13] <chromatos> s/h,/h/
[08:57:14] <exec> <chromatos> Most of it is browser extensions, a proxy to point all the browsers through and system services
[08:57:26] <chromatos> exec++
[08:57:26] <Bender> karma - exec: 5
[08:58:15] <chromatos> Should nuke and linux. Do kids like arch?
[09:00:15] <Popeidol> thre's only one way to find out
[09:00:21] <chromatos> Morph mod installer for minecraft seems to be the root culprit
[09:00:38] <crutchy> monopoly++
[09:00:38] <Bender> karma - monopoly: 4
[09:01:14] <chromatos> I was just wondering if clients even have legitimate mods; I thought it was server side
[09:03:43] <prospectacle> dunno sorry
[09:04:31] <prospectacle> where did you download them from
[09:05:15] <chromatos> Dunno. He did it.
[09:05:16] <ciri> I dunno whether it will get huge contracts for work tomorrow.
[09:05:21] <chromatos> Minecraft--
[09:05:22] <Bender> karma - minecraft: 0
[09:05:27] <crutchy> pwndwar3z.nu
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[09:07:19] <prospectacle> who makes ciri?
[09:07:30] <prospectacle> I wish to know why it says nonsense from time to time
[09:07:40] <prospectacle> is it an algorithm triggered by key words?
[09:07:51] <chromatos> Arti
[09:08:32] <crutchy> its arti's fault... cover him in condiments
[09:08:58] * crutchy throws chicken noodle soup mix @ arti
[09:08:58] <chromatos> Lol
[09:09:14] <chromatos> Hey, only 251 objects detected this time
[09:09:51] <chromatos> Malwarebytes++
[09:09:51] <Bender> karma - malwarebytes: 1
[09:10:30] <crutchy> next time it will be 749 objects
[09:10:33] <crutchy> :-p
[09:10:37] <crutchy> ooh
[09:10:39] <crutchy> :d
[09:10:58] <crutchy> it's like i'm shoving my tongue up my nostril
[09:11:12] <crutchy> wait a minute... i am shoving my tongue up my nostril
[09:12:16] <prospectacle> i think so
[09:12:30] <chromatos> I thought it was done. It's not :-/
[09:12:44] <crutchy> first_birthday++
[09:12:44] <Bender> karma - first_birthday: 1
[09:12:49] <prospectacle> 💀
[09:13:24] * crutchy doesn't bother fucking about with malware scanners for windows
[09:13:54] <prospectacle> malwarebytes is a good one
[09:14:08] <crutchy> hopefully it works
[09:14:34] <prospectacle> trick is to use 3 or four of the biggest ones. None of the get 100% of any tests I've seen
[09:15:08] <chromatos> It seemed to work just a few hours ago, before pebkac again
[09:15:28] <prospectacle> users can't be trusted with computers
[09:15:45] <crutchy> do any of them pick up things like payloads from whatever the latest conficker is?
[09:16:08] <crutchy> nowadays malware is designed to avoid/disable malware scanners
[09:16:46] <prospectacle> don't know crutchy. Probably safest thing is to do it from a separate partition/computer
[09:17:05] <crutchy> linux live cd/usb + clamav
[09:17:14] <prospectacle> it's amazing microsoft has been the biggest this long
[09:17:36] <crutchy> government contracts are lucrative business
[09:18:11] <crutchy> when most government departments and schools are using your product, you have a huge cash cow
[09:18:18] <prospectacle> true that
[09:19:37] <crutchy> i run clamav on our fileserver at work from a linux box cos i don't trust commercial scanners running on the target os
[09:19:49] <prospectacle> i'm hoping to get all the public service using my casual web-game, then I'll sit back and rake in the $$
[09:19:59] <crutchy> also, i'm not convinced that av companies aren't bankrolling some of the malware development
[09:20:38] <prospectacle> crutchy, it would make perfect sense. Like a military superpower creating unrest around the world in order to keep its arms dealers in business
[09:20:49] <crutchy> just need to include a slingshot, colourful birds and green pigs
[09:21:18] * chromatos notes that combofix doesn't seem to work in safemode
[09:22:39] <chromatos> I think linux on linux would be good here
[09:23:01] <chromatos> Not sure about graphics drivers through vm though
[09:23:52] <crutchy> use virtualbox and guest additions. make sure you check the 3d acceleration option in the vm graphics settings
[09:27:34] <prospectacle> What a coincidence
[09:28:25] <crutchy> did you also pass wind?
[09:28:56] <prospectacle> oh my previous line disappeared
[09:29:02] * prospectacle is watching secret of the incas, which has the same plot and costume as indiana jones but is from 1954
[09:29:27] <crutchy> but did it have harrison ford?
[09:29:28] <prospectacle> (I typed it wrong, that might have something to do with it)
[09:29:36] <prospectacle> charlton heston
[09:29:43] <crutchy> and sean connery
[09:30:13] <crutchy> charlton heston? is that they guy that does the weird cooking show with the dry ice?
[09:30:14] <prospectacle> dunno if that's better or worse, but I gather he was the harrison ford of his day
[09:30:21] <prospectacle> crutchy, lol
[09:30:35] <TheMightyBuzzard|Killing> mornin all
[09:30:36] <crutchy> that guy is awesome
[09:30:53] <prospectacle> what did you kill today TMB?
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[09:31:36] <crutchy> my sister is a scientist/chemist thing and she gets to play with things like dry ice a lot. she brought an esky full of the stuff to my sister in law's birthday
[09:31:37] <prospectacle> I ate a fish but i paid the supermarket to kill it for me (or they may have outsourced that job)
[09:31:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> time. friend who i was supposed to go tromping through the woods decided he was too tired and it got contagious.
[09:32:13] <crutchy> did you come home with a big snake?
[09:32:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> only the one in my pants
[09:32:31] <prospectacle> well it probably had it coming. What has time done for us lately anyway.
[09:32:44] <crutchy> ~time TheMightyBuzzard
[09:32:45] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 19 July 2014, 09:32:44 am
[09:32:52] <prospectacle> ~time crutchy
[09:32:53] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 19 July 2014, 09:32:53 am
[09:32:56] <crutchy> you're right. does nothing
[09:32:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> prospectacle, it made me older
[09:33:06] <prospectacle> TheMightyBuzzard, that bastard
[09:33:20] <crutchy> you need to wear khaki shorts and shove your thumb up the butthole of anything that moves
[09:33:35] <prospectacle> ~time sydney
[09:33:36] <exec> [Google] 7:33pm Saturday (EST) - Time in Sydney NSW, Australia
[09:33:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i don't like khaki
[09:33:51] <crutchy> oh wow that's the same time as me
[09:34:08] <crutchy> i'm about 1000 odd miles south of there though
[09:34:21] <prospectacle> weird
[09:34:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~time chicago
[09:34:32] <exec> [Google] 4:34am Saturday (CDT) - Time in Chicago, IL, USA
[09:35:12] <prospectacle> ~time mars
[09:35:13] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 19 July 2014, 09:35:13 am
[09:35:14] <ciri> Should make location not found - utc timestamp: tuesday, 10 slots. (Though, i don't particularly see the new server but what if he forgets?
[09:35:36] <prospectacle> arti what's the deal with ciri?
[09:36:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> there is no arti, only zuul
[09:38:16] <chromatos> Error:). Expected but end of line found, ciri
[09:41:22] <crutchy> lol ciri... that was confusement. i made the mistake of reading the message before looking at the nick that posted it
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[09:41:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[09:41:54] <Bender> karma - coffee: 399
[09:47:13] <crutchy> milo++
[09:47:13] <Bender> karma - milo: 2
[09:47:54] <chromatos> ~define milo
[09:47:57] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3milo: chocolate powder that you put in milk in australia
[09:48:38] <chromatos> milk--
[09:48:38] <Bender> karma - milk: -1
[09:53:13] <crutchy> i think technically its malt, not chocolate
[09:54:52] <chromatos> So it's Australian Ovaltine?
[09:55:52] <crutchy> different to ovaltine
[09:56:06] <chromatos> ~define malt
[09:56:08] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3malt: A word for girl or woman, usually fit in the eyes of chavs.
[09:56:23] <chromatos> ~define chav
[09:56:24] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3chav: Picture this a young lad about 12 years of age and 4 ½ feet high baseball cap at ninety degrees in a imitation addidas tracksuit, with trouser legs tucked into his socks (of course, is definitely the...
[09:56:40] <chromatos> What
[09:56:53] <crutchy> yeah that one confused me too
[09:57:00] <chromatos> More questions; no answers
[09:58:47] <prospectacle> well english is so last century. england has moved on
[10:00:42] <chromatos> America too; we all speak spanish
[10:01:50] * crutchy wonders where xlefay has got to
[10:02:31] <crutchy> hope he's ok
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[10:07:52] <prospectacle> yeah me too. he did say he wouldn't be around as much as before his major absence, so it may be nothing to worry about if he's off for a couple days
[10:10:20] <prospectacle> 〖cool, super brackets for when you're feeling especially parenthetical 〗
[10:16:16] <crutchy> ~time ny
[10:16:17] <exec> [Google] 6:16am Saturday (EDT) - Time in New York, NY, USA
[10:16:33] <crutchy> hmm
[10:18:42] <prospectacle> see you later
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[10:24:12] <crutchy> gPHPedit looks interesting
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[10:28:44] <chromatos> kate++
[10:28:44] <Bender> karma - kate: 1
[10:29:54] <chromatos> Although kate doesn't have any extensions
[10:32:02] <crutchy> hi KonomiNetbook
[10:32:14] <Konomi> ;p
[10:32:33] <crutchy> installed gphpedit... its nothing to shit in the shower about
[10:32:53] <crutchy> got some features that gedit doesn't, but nothing mindblowing
[10:33:11] * crutchy wonders if there is a gedit plugin for function listing
[10:33:55] * crutchy would love to be able to double-click a funcction name from an alphabetized list to go directly to that function in the source
[10:34:09] <crutchy> (kinda like delphi's code browser)
[10:38:24] <crutchy> i guess i could break up exec's code a bit, but it would be handy for my work app too, which has a utils file with 86 functions
[10:39:02] <crutchy> my scroll finger gets a lot of exercise when i'm working in that one
[10:41:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Domestication Syndrome: Cute Animals Explained - http://sylnt.us - animals-that-clean-up-after-themselves
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[11:05:22] <crutchy> gedit_snippets++
[11:05:22] <Bender> karma - gedit_snippets: 1
[11:05:51] <crutchy> never really used gedit plugins before, but there are a couple that look very handy
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[11:07:13] <prospectacle> crutchy looks like Geany would do what you want (function list)
[11:07:24] <prospectacle> I use a plugin with notepad++ that does it but that's windows
[11:07:36] <prospectacle> anyway, no one should be without a function list in their code editor.
[11:07:39] <prospectacle> You'll get rsi
[11:09:49] <crutchy> wb prospectacle
[11:09:55] <crutchy> agreed
[11:10:05] <crutchy> i'm very spoilt when i use delphi
[11:10:31] <crutchy> it has everything i could ever want, except for oho support (in d7 pro anyway)
[11:10:42] <crutchy> s/oho/php/
[11:10:42] <exec> <crutchy> it has everything i could ever want, except for php support (in d7 pro anyway)
[11:10:49] <prospectacle> yeah there are surprisingly few great free text editors
[11:11:01] <prospectacle> You'd think that would be the one thing most open-source programmers would contribute to
[11:11:23] <prospectacle> I guess you could always get emacs and configure it to work how you want. Sounds hard, though
[11:11:42] <crutchy> you know what they say about the cars that mechanics drive
[11:12:14] <prospectacle> oho support is where you discover some cool obscure shortcut that will save you lots of time and you go "oho!"
[11:12:21] <prospectacle> crutchy, what do they say?
[11:12:21] <crutchy> lol
[11:12:41] <crutchy> they're usually pieces of crap that don't work half the time
[11:12:56] <prospectacle> cause they love working on them better than driving them?
[11:13:21] <crutchy> dunno, but i'm guessing programmers like using editors more than programming them
[11:13:30] <prospectacle> i suppose that describes a lot of software i make for my own use
[11:13:43] <crutchy> ha
[11:13:53] <crutchy> mee too
[11:14:06] <crutchy> i'm sure yours is good
[11:14:45] <prospectacle> stuff that would be a deal-breaker for a user, I can work around or ignore. Features that are half-complete could stay half-complete for months if there's something more interesting to work on in the meantime.
[11:14:58] <crutchy> a bit of professional pressure does go a long way towards motivation to improve
[11:15:15] <crutchy> plus the need to eat helps too :-p
[11:15:20] <prospectacle> crutchy, stuff I write for customers tends to be a bit better than I stuff I write to use myself
[11:15:29] <crutchy> nod nod
[11:15:44] <prospectacle> sometimes
[11:16:30] <prospectacle> yeah being able to eat is always a good motivator
[11:16:54] <crutchy> my work is a bit different to yours maybe. engineers treat software as tools, and cos programming isn't our core business, as long as it gives the right answers, how it works or looks is usually secondary
[11:17:45] <prospectacle> oh you'd be surprised the broken crap I work with everyday. Third party things we rely on and have to work around. But what can you do, nothing is perfect
[11:17:49] <crutchy> its actually hard for me to justify the expense of improving a tool if the time can't be directly billed to a job (instead being an overhead)
[11:18:09] <prospectacle> I've yet to meet a piece of software without lots of bugs
[11:18:10] <ciri> The currency is the film that indiana jones copied without restraint, down to a jury trial in admiralty cases.
[11:18:26] <crutchy> true. bugs are everywhere
[11:18:28] <prospectacle> crutchy, yeah it is a bit different, i don't bill to clients directly.
[11:18:36] <crutchy> need bug spray
[11:18:54] <prospectacle> yeah, that would be a good course for software developers to take
[11:18:56] <prospectacle> myself included
[11:19:34] <prospectacle> "Bug Spray 101", how kill bugs at all stages of development
[11:20:10] <crutchy> i would expect a good course with such title to be entirely aabout TDD
[11:20:58] <crutchy> unfortunately at first mention of it there would be many groans from the students
[11:21:11] <crutchy> (including myself if i were there :-d
[11:22:10] <prospectacle> true, there's a lot of gimmicks in software development, each one is the holy grail, until it isn't
[11:24:05] <crutchy> everyone tests their code. unfortunately few are any good at documenting their tests for automated repetition
[11:24:25] <crutchy> i rarely do it either, so i'm no example
[11:24:53] <prospectacle> i believe the sqlite project is a good model for testing methods. They've got millions of automated tests they run on every new version
[11:25:12] <crutchy> that's a good sign
[11:25:48] <crutchy> tests aren't hard to write once you set up a good testing framework. i made one for a pressure vessel compliance app that i started working on
[11:25:57] <crutchy> each test was one line of code
[11:26:11] <prospectacle> in my opinion, the best or only way to have relatively bug free software is to have people put in the hours trying to break the software, and even worse - trying to use the software as intended without trouble.
[11:26:40] <crutchy> problem is you need them to repeat their attempts with every new feature
[11:26:59] <prospectacle> yes, you're right that automated repeatable testing is important
[11:27:08] <crutchy> tdd is as much about regression testing as it is about debugging
[11:27:12] <prospectacle> one of the best tools available for the tester to use.
[11:27:33] <prospectacle> You do need a tester though, since human intelligence and imagination will usually find things that a set of automated tests won't
[11:28:15] <crutchy> its also good when you make a change to the code, run your tests and get a big 'tests successful' at the end. it is a good confidence booster
[11:28:51] <prospectacle> That sounds like the way to go. I should write more automated testing. I guess the first few tests are the hardest
[11:29:18] <crutchy> i made a huge bloated regression testing system for the structural code compliance app we use at work. last week i made a change that caused most of my test cases to fail, so i had to delete thousands of test records :-(
[11:29:37] <crutchy> one problem with tdd i guess
[11:29:52] <prospectacle> why did you have to delete them?
[11:30:01] <crutchy> lucky for my work app the test records are auto-generated as you use the app
[11:30:22] <prospectacle> oh you mean it was no longer intended to pass those tests?
[11:30:25] <crutchy> cos they failed, but the change that caused them to fail was required (change of scope of test)
[11:30:29] <prospectacle> i see
[11:30:29] <crutchy> yeah
[11:30:33] <prospectacle> hmm
[11:31:14] <prospectacle> I guess you could start putting a list of version numbers next to each text. So only the tests that apply to this version are used. The others can be there for if you change your mind, or want to re-use an old version or whatever
[11:31:22] <crutchy> "each one is the holy grail, until it isn't" [prospectacle]
[11:31:23] <prospectacle> Although maybe I'm just making things unnecessarily complicated
[11:31:47] <crutchy> i'm going to use git
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[11:32:02] <prospectacle> yeah we just started using git at work
[11:32:07] <xlefay> hi
[11:32:10] <crutchy> (and put the testing database in the repository)
[11:32:10] <prospectacle> i'm still getting my head around it
[11:32:11] <xlefay> ~weather xlefay
[11:32:12] <prospectacle> hi xlefay
[11:32:14] <exec> Weather for Leeuwarden, Netherlands at 2014-07-19 10:55:00 (UTC) ~ 0.6 hrs ago:
[11:32:14] <crutchy> hi xlefay!
[11:32:15] <exec> temperature = 89.6°F (32°C) dewpoint = 62.6°F (17°C)
[11:32:15] <exec> barometric pressure = 1011 mb ~ change of 0 mb over past 0.5 hrs relative humdity = 40%
[11:32:15] <exec> wind speed = 9 mph (14.4 km/h) wind direction = 140°
[11:32:27] <xlefay> no shit I'm sweating my ass off
[11:32:29] <xlefay> how are ya guys?
[11:32:39] <crutchy> wow 32 is quite warm
[11:32:49] <prospectacle> damn 32
[11:32:51] <crutchy> no air con?
[11:33:13] <prospectacle> I'm thinking of coming to the netherlands some time in the next year. Just for fun. What time of year is best, in your opinion?
[11:33:22] <crutchy> not winter
[11:34:12] <xlefay> not in my room.. I do have a thingy that spin
[11:34:15] <crutchy> the reason why the northern hemisphere is so populous is because in winter there's nothing to do but stay indoors and fuck
[11:34:17] <xlefay> aah ventilator, that's what I'm talking about
[11:34:24] <crutchy> oh that's good
[11:34:34] <xlefay> in my room, it's currently....... 42 dafuq
[11:34:35] <crutchy> better than nothing i guess
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[11:34:41] <crutchy> lol
[11:34:43] <xlefay> indeed
[11:34:53] <prospectacle> ah, wow
[11:35:03] <prospectacle> I'm not sure if you're aware, but that's too hot
[11:35:05] <xlefay> I think I'm going to move downstairs with my laptop lol
[11:35:16] <crutchy> yeah 42 is getting uncomfortable
[11:35:26] <crutchy> that's swimming pool weather, even in australia
[11:35:27] <xlefay> uncomfortable is when it's > 22C for me
[11:35:35] <prospectacle> xlefay, yeah I'm the same
[11:35:37] <xlefay> <-- not a fan of the sun
[11:35:51] <xlefay> yeah
[11:35:54] <crutchy> are you home alone?
[11:36:03] <prospectacle> Used to live in newcastle in new south wales. One summer it didn't get below 30 for a week even at night
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[11:36:03] <xlefay> no that's why I'm reluctant to go downstairs ha
[11:36:06] <crutchy> if you are you could always rock out with your cock out
[11:36:10] <prospectacle> nothing helped, cold showers were hot showers
[11:36:11] <xlefay> hahahaha
[11:36:16] <prospectacle> got to the point i slept under a wet towel
[11:36:25] <xlefay> prospectacle, wow
[11:36:43] <prospectacle> now i live in a slightly milder place and have two portable heat-pump air conditioners
[11:36:44] <ciri> Bears don't have the "when it goes overtime and overbudget you pay us more" is an adobe air thing now, i'm good for you.
[11:36:52] <prospectacle> loud, but cool
[11:36:55] <crutchy> we had more 40+ days here this past summer than i would have liked
[11:37:14] <xlefay> tbh, I would've loved to be in the middle of the country right now
[11:37:25] <crutchy> just had a pergola built last year, which saved our asses
[11:37:34] <xlefay> ~weather heerde, netherlands
[11:37:36] <crutchy> put a kiddy pool under there and spent all day in it
[11:37:38] <exec> Weather for Welsum, NL at 2014-07-19 10:30:00 (UTC) ~ 1.1 hrs ago:
[11:37:38] <exec> temperature = 90°F (32.2°C) dewpoint = 65.8°F (18.8°C)
[11:37:38] <exec> barometric pressure = 1010.4 mb ~ change of -0.1 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 44%
[11:37:39] <exec> wind speed = 6 mph (9.6 km/h) wind direction = 171°
[11:37:54] <crutchy> ~weather death valley
[11:37:55] <xlefay> haha
[11:37:57] <exec> Weather for Beatty, NV, United States Of America at 2014-07-19 10:30:00 (UTC) ~ 1.1 hrs ago:
[11:37:57] <exec> temperature = 76°F (24.4°C) dewpoint = 32°F (0°C)
[11:37:57] <exec> barometric pressure = 1010.4 mb ~ change of 0 mb over past 0.2 hrs relative humdity = 19%
[11:37:58] <exec> wind speed = 1 mph (1.6 km/h) wind direction = 5°
[11:38:13] <crutchy> hmm
[11:38:19] <crutchy> ~weather sahara
[11:38:24] <exec> Weather for PALM SPRINGS REGIONAL AIRPORT , CA, United States at 2014-07-19 10:53:00 (UTC) ~ 0.8 hrs ago:
[11:38:25] <exec> temperature = 79°F (26.1°C) dewpoint = 55.9°F (13.3°C)
[11:38:25] <exec> barometric pressure = 1010.8 mb ~ change of 0.7 mb over past 1 hrs relative humdity = 45%
[11:38:25] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 0°
[11:38:41] <crutchy> ¿¿
[11:38:53] <xlefay> so how are you guys?
[11:39:01] <crutchy> i got man flu
[11:39:07] <xlefay> prospectacle, I'm not sure, the spring maybe?
[11:39:38] <crutchy> ciri... i want what you're smoking
[11:39:42] <prospectacle> xlefay, ok thanks
[11:39:53] <xlefay> prospectacle, but don't take my word for it... :P
[11:40:10] <xlefay> I don't tend to go outside a lot, the weather's never to my liking so..
[11:40:13] <crutchy> when prospectacle comes to visit you will have a monsoon
[11:40:43] <xlefay> ha :p
[11:40:54] <crutchy> hope there wasn't anyone on that plane that you knew xlefay
[11:41:09] <prospectacle> was it going from netherlands?
[11:41:14] <xlefay> that plane that went down? Not as far as I know.
[11:41:39] <xlefay> I'm not sure.. I don't keep up with that kind of news a lot tbh.. All regular news is often just depressing anyway
[11:41:49] <crutchy> true
[11:41:54] <prospectacle> true that. I reckon this is one story that will around for months
[11:42:03] <crutchy> i only hear most news as banter at work
[11:42:43] <prospectacle> i normally love the news but when there's one dominant story for weeks i have to minimise it
[11:43:00] <prospectacle> have they no sense of proportion!
[11:43:50] <crutchy> only proportion of advertising revenue
[11:44:04] <xlefay> Tech news is OK, but regular news "Another kid got killed at school", "A plan went down!", "A coorperation violated law, blabla", etc.. it's just mostly depressing
[11:44:42] <crutchy> some good news: i have rediscovered gedit :-d
[11:44:56] <crutchy> it has... plugins!
[11:45:00] <xlefay> crutchy, so you haven't finally given a real IDE a chance?!
[11:45:14] <crutchy> i still use delphi
[11:45:39] <crutchy> and a guy that's redoing the company website at work is using phpstorm
[11:45:53] <crutchy> i'm a knuckledgragger
[11:45:55] <xlefay> that_guy_thats_redoing_the_company_website_with_phpstorm++
[11:45:55] <Bender> karma - that_guy_thats_redoing_the_company_website_with_phpstorm: 1
[11:46:11] <crutchy> lol
[11:46:15] <prospectacle> i use microsoft works and save as a .txt
[11:46:24] <prospectacle> it's the only way I know how to do syntax highlighting. maybe there are other ways
[11:46:28] <xlefay> Oh my.. now that sounds somewhat retro!
[11:46:49] <crutchy> he's also introduced me to some other cool things like synergy kvm and git-flow
[11:46:52] <prospectacle> j/k
[11:46:57] <xlefay> crutchy, cool :)
[11:47:01] * xlefay googles synergy kvm
[11:47:14] <xlefay> ooh...
[11:47:24] <xlefay> synergy, I've used that in the past.. but I never found it working that well with Linux
[11:47:25] <crutchy> http://synergy-project.org
[11:47:54] <crutchy> i use it at work now. looks like i have a triple-head workstation :-P
[11:48:04] <xlefay> At some point, when on another computer it either kept repeating whatever key I was pressing.. or the mouse was not responsive or directly at the edge of the screen
[11:48:14] <xlefay> haha, that's neat tho. Is it working properly for you though?
[11:48:24] <crutchy> atm it is yeah
[11:48:49] <crutchy> i still got proper kb and mouse for linux box within arms reach just in case
[11:49:21] <xlefay> That's good. I assume they've made a ton of improvements since I last used it (2 years or so ago)
[11:50:32] <crutchy> xlefay, any tips for decent hypervisor?
[11:50:42] <crutchy> i'm sorta guessing maybe xen
[11:50:54] <xlefay> I generally just use KVM
[11:51:21] <xlefay> On my new server (which is a lot cheaper, and less powerful) - I've got a combination of KVM & OpenVZ running [proxmox].
[11:51:22] <crutchy> ooh. looks interesting
[11:51:53] <xlefay> OpenVZ is ideal for quick stuff
[11:53:19] <crutchy> quick is good
[11:53:37] <crutchy> prolly headless with no gui too
[11:53:47] <xlefay> OpenVZ is just containers though eh, so it's software virtualisation.
[11:53:47] <crutchy> ^for guests
[11:53:56] <xlefay> KVM however, is kernel virtualisation
[11:53:59] * crutchy googles openvz
[11:54:12] <xlefay> so with OpenVZ, if you do "ps aux" on the hostnode, you'll see the processes running in the containers
[11:54:59] <crutchy> ah think you might have mentioned it before
[11:55:30] <crutchy> and i since forgot about cos i just been winging it
[11:55:31] <ciri> Which you never saw, they've been in since changeover.
[11:55:45] <xlefay> Possibly. I'm not a big fan of openvz myself, but it's quick solution if you need something done quickly.
[11:55:48] <crutchy> ciri, you are a creepy thing
[11:56:08] <crutchy> nothing i do is quick, but that's got nothing to do with the software :-d
[11:56:55] <xlefay> Currently experimenting with CoreOS & Docker, my current setup: 1 vyatta/vyos VM; 1 PXE server (to boot my coreos VMs); 1 small internal webserver, which supplies VMs that are booting with CoreOS with autogenerated configs, etc..
[11:57:15] <xlefay> Looking into puppet/chef in the mean time, is probably better than a homebrew solution
[11:57:16] <crutchy> wholly carp!
[11:57:21] <xlefay> but coreos is pretty darn awesome
[11:57:44] <xlefay> (that's all virtualised though.)
[11:57:54] <crutchy> i thought i was l33t just having linux running in a virtual box :-d
[11:57:57] <xlefay> just to experiment with
[11:58:18] <xlefay> Well, if you've got a spare computer that's decent, just install proxmox on it ;-)
[11:58:48] <crutchy> might do. proxmox kinda looks a bit like that management thingy that you had goingg for the soylent cluster
[11:59:11] <xlefay> Not sure which management thingy you're referring to
[11:59:11] <crutchy> some weird name. jelly babies or something. i got nfi
[11:59:14] <xlefay> You mean, nagios?
[11:59:30] <xlefay> Nagios/Icinga is just a monitoring tool, to ensure our nodes are healthy
[11:59:34] <crutchy> the one you were documenting and setting up not long before your departure
[11:59:41] <crutchy> icinga
[11:59:45] <crutchy> that's the one
[11:59:57] <xlefay> Yeah, that'll be Icinga.. I should look, I don't believe I finished the documentation. I should pick that up, thx for the reminder haha
[11:59:58] <crutchy> icinga on the caka :-p
[12:00:18] <xlefay> ugh, I've got a ton of things to pick up on :P
[12:01:03] <crutchy> i think you've been sorely missed mate. hopefully you're on the mend though
[12:01:15] <xlefay> ~define mend
[12:01:20] <exec> [wolframalpha] 3mend: 1 | noun | sewing that repairs a worn or torn hole (especially in a garment)\n2 | noun | the act of putting something in working order again\n3 | verb | restore by replacing a part or putting together...
[12:01:34] <xlefay> aah yes, bit by bit :)
[12:01:41] <crutchy> you don't have any holes in you i hope
[12:02:04] <xlefay> Well.. I've got ears.. I've got a nose, a mouth, need I go on? :P
[12:02:10] <xlefay> But no, I don't have any unnatural holes :P
[12:02:23] <crutchy> yeah my butt is broken too... cracked with a hole in it
[12:02:29] <xlefay> hahaha
[12:03:05] <xlefay> How's you tho? You said you had the flu?
[12:03:08] <crutchy> did you get to move downstairs?
[12:03:22] <xlefay> Not yet.. smoking a cig, with the fan trained at me xD
[12:03:34] <crutchy> bit of a cough and sinus congestion. i've had it for weeks. prolly should go see the quack
[12:03:39] <crutchy> lol
[12:03:55] <xlefay> quack being doctor? Then yes!
[12:04:00] <crutchy> sounds about as logical as when i eat icecream in front of the heater
[12:04:13] <xlefay> If by quack you meant ducks.. I'm afraid I don't want any more details!
[12:04:18] <xlefay> Haha
[12:04:19] <crutchy> lol
[12:04:41] <xlefay> hmm
[12:04:46] <xlefay> my sound system is having a mind of it's own
[12:04:51] <crutchy> nah the missus keeps telling me to go see the doc. i need to get as many work hours in as i can lately so its a bit hard
[12:04:56] <crutchy> oh?
[12:05:15] <xlefay> crutchy, work comes second to one's health, seriously though :)
[12:05:28] <crutchy> true
[12:05:45] <prospectacle> crutchy, yeah weeks is too long for flu
[12:06:01] <xlefay> Besides.. not listening to one's missus can be fatal - or so I've heard.. :P
[12:06:28] <xlefay> prospectacle, what of you, how are you?
[12:06:30] <crutchy> its not just any flu... its the worst flu that anyone has ever had so nobody else could possibly understand my pain... it's the dreaded MAN FLU!!!
[12:07:01] <crutchy> programming keeps me sane
[12:07:07] <crutchy> s/sane/insane/
[12:07:08] <exec> <crutchy> programming keeps me insane
[12:07:12] <xlefay> ha
[12:07:29] <prospectacle> xlefay I'm good thanks. Can't complain this weekend I've had a better one than usual.
[12:07:39] <xlefay> That's good :)
[12:07:39] <crutchy> though i had to get off the couch today to do some testing!
[12:07:51] <xlefay> Dammit, you had to get off the couch?
[12:07:56] <prospectacle> xlefay, glad to hear you're on the mend even if only gradually. I guess it's better to be going slowly in the right direction than quickly in any other direction
[12:07:56] <crutchy> it was terrible
[12:08:09] <xlefay> Wow.. them computers are demanding aren't they?
[12:08:18] <xlefay> prospectacle, Thanks, and yes, it is
[12:08:48] <crutchy> damn network cable wouldn't unplug itself and i haven't trained the kiddywinks to be my code slaves yet
[12:08:54] <janrinok> crutchy - you keep your man-flu to yourself. That is serious stuff - I don't want it!
[12:08:56] <xlefay> prospectacle, how goes the time/todomanagement you were working on a while ago?
[12:09:19] <xlefay> janrinok, I'm still not sure what the man-flu is.. and I don't want to let my imagination run with it.. That's some serious dangerous stuff'
[12:09:39] <xlefay> crutchy, aah, it seems you have a long road ahead of yourself!
[12:09:53] <prospectacle> xlefay, had a break cause work got heavy, but now doing three day weekends permanently and the "master plan machine" is picking up steam again
[12:09:54] <xlefay> prospectacle, the one, that was similar to Asana
[12:10:00] <crutchy> whenever a husband says he's not feeling crash hot, 'man flu' is what his wife tells him he has
[12:10:04] <xlefay> aah I see, that's cool!
[12:10:16] <xlefay> crutchy, aaah, now I get it
[12:10:25] <crutchy> before she tells him to get over it and go to work :-d
[12:10:45] <xlefay> Is that after or before she asks for money?
[12:10:54] <xlefay> s/asks/demands/
[12:10:55] <exec> <xlefay> Is that after or before she demands for money?
[12:10:58] <crutchy> asks for money? not familiar with that concept
[12:11:07] <xlefay> See my revised statement.
[12:11:09] <janrinok> xlefay: but it is _much_ worse than the flu that women get. Men are forced to lie on the couch, be brought food and drink in the right quantities and at the correct time, and they take weeks sometimes to recover....!
[12:11:13] <crutchy> oh yes
[12:11:14] <ciri> Is there some relevance to a fe facto no logs stored position. Not that one of those who are no longer signed in & then voice them.
[12:11:40] <crutchy> no actually she doesn't even demand it. she just takes it when your not looking :-p
[12:11:45] <xlefay> janrinok, And who's forcing them? In my experience, it's always been the female in the house!
[12:11:56] <prospectacle> there should be a feature in irc where if you get a karma-- from enough different registered people, you get kicked for a while
[12:12:19] <crutchy> who's getting that much karma-- prospectacle?
[12:12:19] <janrinok> xlefay: lol - don't let Soph hear you say that
[12:12:21] <xlefay> prospectacle, that stuff was also on the planning hundreds of years ago.. but no-one actually got to it
[12:12:27] <prospectacle> like ostracising in ancient greece. You can come back, but you need to have a good hard look at yourself for a while
[12:12:35] <crutchy> besides poutine
[12:12:41] <janrinok> true
[12:12:45] <prospectacle> crutchy, well if such a method was in place, we could teach ciri to play nice
[12:12:56] <xlefay> janrinok, well, honestly. When I get sick, my mum won't let me get out of bed for more than 5 minutes lol
[12:12:58] <crutchy> ciri is just on smack or something
[12:12:58] <prospectacle> I know it's a bot, but even robots must obey the rules of good manners, to some extent
[12:13:28] <crutchy> i think a few have ignored ciri already though
[12:13:35] <xlefay> janrinok, so in some extend.. it's true, that we're being forced to lie down!
[12:13:48] <xlefay> I'm not sure, I don't ciri's that disruptive, is it?
[12:14:15] <xlefay> janrinok, how is she doing today though?
[12:14:20] <crutchy> not to me, but i have a bent sense of humour
[12:14:22] <prospectacle> i mean when ethanol-fueled bursts in he tries to be offensive for a minute then leaves, but ciri is like one of those time-release air deoderisers, except it's an odoriser
[12:14:32] <crutchy> lmao
[12:14:40] <xlefay> xD
[12:14:45] <xlefay> ethanol still comes around? :P
[12:14:47] <crutchy> prospectacle++
[12:14:47] <Bender> karma - prospectacle: 13
[12:15:00] <xlefay> Well, at least, he doesn't drop 400tb of offensive on ya ass!
[12:15:12] <crutchy> oh yes definitely
[12:15:15] <prospectacle> true, i should let it go
[12:15:38] * crutchy wonders what came of that /. exploit he found
[12:15:47] <xlefay> I sent mrbluze an e-mail the other day, but I hazn't heard anything yet ;'(
[12:15:53] <prospectacle> but if we don't stop the robot uprising in its infancy, we'll regret it when we're cowering in the caverns, hoping they don't detect us with their ultrasound sentries
[12:16:08] <crutchy> he's in the lap of tasmanian luxury
[12:16:22] <xlefay> prospectacle, the biggest issue we face is that we're teaching it to do just that!
[12:16:40] <xlefay> !decide "robot uprising" death
[12:16:40] <ciri> The roll of the dice picks: robot uprising.
[12:16:44] <crutchy> he described the property he bought down there... i am soo jealous
[12:16:48] <xlefay> ... oh my, it has already begun!
[12:16:56] <prospectacle> yes, sewing the seeds of our own destruction
[12:17:07] <xlefay> crutchy, that's cool, I hope he'll reply :D
[12:17:16] <xlefay> prospectacle, I fear, this is only the beginning
[12:17:29] <prospectacle> crutchy, is that the one with the hydro-power setup?
[12:17:37] <xlefay> Just wait till sublight gets it's rewrite.. it'll be even more dangerous
[12:17:54] <prospectacle> xlefay, I'm quaking in anticipation
[12:17:59] <crutchy> xlefay, i added you to exec's admin list
[12:18:10] <crutchy> you have pwnage of it
[12:18:26] <xlefay> Haha cool
[12:18:27] <crutchy> well except for terminal access i guess
[12:18:41] <xlefay> exec# sudo make me a sandwich
[12:18:50] <xlefay> I don't think it's fully functioning buddy
[12:19:00] <prospectacle> ~sudo make me a sandwich
[12:19:01] <crutchy> you spelt sammich wrong :-d
[12:19:10] <xlefay> xD
[12:19:50] <crutchy> it has a weblog now too
[12:19:53] <prospectacle> ~rainbow test
[12:19:54] <exec> 00,02t00,06e00,04s00,07t
[12:20:02] <prospectacle> how do you do that?
[12:20:04] <xlefay> ciri, s/The roll of the dice picks/I pick/
[12:20:05] <exec> last message by 8ciri, not found
[12:20:12] <xlefay> it ignores ciri ? :O
[12:20:21] <crutchy> http://irciv.us.to
[12:20:29] <xlefay> ~rainbow robot uprising!
[12:20:29] <exec> 00,12r00,02o00,06b00,04o00,07t00,08 00,09u00,12p00,02r00,06i00,04s00,07i00,08n00,09g00,12!
[12:20:42] <xlefay> haha cool
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[12:20:56] <crutchy> it ignores ciri?
[12:21:12] <xlefay> ciri s/The roll of the dice picks/I pick/
[12:21:12] <exec> <xlefay> <ciri> I pick: robot uprising.
[12:21:17] <xlefay> ooh, it doesn't like the ,
[12:21:51] <crutchy> ~bucket last_ciri_#soyleent
[12:21:53] <exec> bucket not found
[12:21:54] <crutchy> oops
[12:21:57] <xlefay> crutchy, I wonder if you could implement FoobarBazbot's version of sedbot
[12:21:59] <crutchy> ~bucket last_ciri_#soylent
[12:22:00] <exec> bucket not found
[12:22:13] <crutchy> ~bucket last_crutchy_#soylent
[12:22:15] <exec> bucket not found
[12:22:15] <xlefay> essentially, just make a trigger and send properly formatted input to the awk script
[12:22:22] <xlefay> !lastspoke FoobarBazbot
[12:22:23] <ciri> FoobarBazbot last uttered a word on #soylent 6 days, 8 hours, 11 minutes ago.
[12:22:41] <crutchy> yeah i guess
[12:22:47] <crutchy> if i knew the command i could
[12:22:58] <xlefay> does exec support regex triggers?
[12:23:07] <crutchy> the awk script was on github yeah?
[12:23:11] <xlefay> yeah
[12:23:11] <crutchy> should do
[12:23:28] <xlefay> I miss /motd sublight*
[12:23:29] <xlefay> x'D
[12:23:38] <crutchy> can trigger on anything pretty much (i think?)
[12:23:40] <ciri> Then ++i endorse this guy. I think you'll find it's 'strategic security consultancy.
[12:23:52] <crutchy> sublight++
[12:23:52] <Bender> karma - sublight: 4
[12:23:59] <xlefay> That's cool
[12:24:50] <xlefay> (a bit background, sublight would respond to /motd sublight* by sending you a random fortune (offensiveness enabled, of course.. asking sublight for a quote wasn't for the faint of hearts))
[12:25:02] <prospectacle> how much trouble would it be to allow unicode nicks?
[12:25:03] <crutchy> php has some regex functions that could be used to detect, or could just feed everything to the command line
[12:25:05] <prospectacle> /nick 👽
[12:25:16] <crutchy> lol
[12:25:35] <crutchy> i found that offensive fortune in the logs a while back
[12:25:43] <xlefay> prospectacle, fairly difficult I'd assume. You'd have to modify the IRCd code and probably have to ensure that clients don't go insane because of them
[12:25:50] <crutchy> the one where you're response was 'oh my'
[12:26:00] <prospectacle> [22:25] <👽> oh well it was just a silly idea
[12:26:05] <xlefay> I'd be relatively easy if there was only one client.. but there are hundreds xD
[12:26:18] <xlefay> crutchy, haha, I can't remember which one that might have been
[12:29:33] <xlefay> How about michaelpwalls, does he still come around?
[12:29:49] <crutchy> hahaha a search for 'oh my' in the #soylent logs returns some err interesting results
[12:30:05] <crutchy> $seen michaelpwalls
[12:30:05] <aqu4> I'm afraid I don't remember anyone with the nick michaelpwalls, sorry.
[12:30:18] <crutchy> i haven't seen him for a while i think
[12:30:21] <prospectacle> [22:30] <👽> I guess it would be pretty easy to write a script that reads all the logs from logs.sylnt.us and searches them, maybe I'll give it a go right now...
[12:30:41] <xlefay> crutchy, haha I bet xD
[12:32:15] <crutchy> prospectacle: if you're handy with php, you can just use unserialize on this: http://irciv.us.to
[12:32:48] <crutchy> or pilfer from the code that generated it here: https://github.com
[12:33:50] <crutchy> only file it doesn't cache is today's
[12:33:56] <prospectacle> oh i remember now
[12:34:02] <prospectacle> $seen michealpwalls
[12:34:02] <aqu4> I last saw michealpwalls at 2014-05-03 00:20:01 UTC in #soylent. Their most recent message is "I get this "simple" job with MySQL and jesus. It's like I dunno SQL at all :("
[12:34:30] <xlefay> aah... MySQL
[12:34:46] <crutchy> oh yeah i almost forgot how much you love mysql :-p
[12:35:08] <crutchy> i'm progressing with my conversion of the work app to pdo
[12:35:13] <xlefay> No wonder he's not here.. he probably got into a fight with it
[12:35:16] <crutchy> but still not there yet
[12:35:19] <crutchy> lol
[12:35:25] <crutchy> and lost
[12:35:34] <xlefay> But the conversing is going well so far?
[12:35:47] <crutchy> yeah its not too hard
[12:36:00] <crutchy> bit tedius and hard to motivate myself to do it at home
[12:36:18] <xlefay> Understandable
[12:36:50] <xlefay> It's a pain to convert stuff
[12:37:18] <crutchy> i sped up processing of large files by disabling a feature that we weren't using and caching query results. reduced page load time on some large models by over 70%
[12:37:53] <crutchy> that was probably the most handy thing ive done with it recently
[12:38:11] <xlefay> That's good :D
[12:38:58] <prospectacle> ah yes caching query results, I need to get some of that going at my work
[12:39:12] * prospectacle has been on a long overdue optimisation binge
[12:39:45] <crutchy> i was querying similar results thousands of times for a big fea model. seems pretty dumb in hindsight
[12:39:51] <xlefay> Caching how though? Filesystem? Memcached?
[12:39:59] <crutchy> just in memory
[12:40:25] <crutchy> i think it was a global :-P
[12:40:32] <xlefay> haha
[12:40:41] <xlefay> I believe @ SN we still use memcached
[12:41:17] * crutchy isn't familiar with memcached. his idea of 'caching' is storing shit in an array
[12:41:30] * crutchy googles
[12:41:48] <xlefay> Essentially, memcached is running - and instead of storing stuff in memory temporarily till the request is finished, you just store it in memcached..
[12:42:10] <xlefay> and then, instead of querying the DB and again, temporarily storing it in memory, you'll just pull the data from memcached
[12:42:48] <crutchy> so you just access it with an index or something?
[12:42:58] <prospectacle> thanks xlefay, I'm going to look into ithat. I knew I was working even though it looked like I was on irc
[12:42:59] <xlefay> So your cache stays intact, even though the HTTP request is already finished, so you can re-use it for a longer period of time. That's just a quick outline of what it does, sorta
[12:43:59] <xlefay> crutchy, I'm not heavy on memcached details - I've never felt the need to use it myself, but I know the outline :P
[12:44:01] <xlefay> prospectacle, :P
[12:44:04] <crutchy> prospectacle: http://en.wikipedia.org looks pretty cool
[12:44:17] <crutchy> sounds good xlefay
[12:44:38] <crutchy> i don't always know what questions to ask, but you seem to figure it out from my ramblings :-p
[12:45:11] <xlefay> ha
[12:45:30] <xlefay> I do believe, in the type of application you've written, you can safe a shitload of SQL queries by simply using memcached.
[12:46:07] <prospectacle> do you have to tell the code to use memcached or just the db server?
[12:46:39] <xlefay> Did you see the link crutchy send?
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[12:47:03] <xlefay> Essentially, when you want to get something, you first query the memcached server if it has the data, if not - you query the DB and insert that data into memcached
[12:47:23] <prospectacle> oh i see, thanks
[12:47:55] <xlefay> When you update something, you put your data in the DB & you'll put that data into memcached, essentially that's the broad line
[12:48:07] <xlefay> http://en.wikipedia.org <- pretty much shows a clearer picture
[12:48:26] <crutchy> ~weather crutchy
[12:48:29] <exec> Weather for Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 2014-07-19 11:00:00 (UTC) ~ 1.8 hrs ago:
[12:48:29] <exec> temperature = 48.6°F (9.2°C) dewpoint = 45°F (7.2°C)
[12:48:30] <exec> barometric pressure = 1029.4 mb ~ change of 0.5 mb over past 3 hrs relative humdity = 87%
[12:48:30] <exec> wind speed = 8 mph (12.8 km/h) wind direction = 280°
[12:48:32] <crutchy> it is fking cold here :-(
[12:48:38] <crutchy> 9.2!
[12:48:41] <xlefay> Wanna switch?
[12:48:44] <xlefay> ~weather xlefay
[12:48:44] <crutchy> feels like 2.9
[12:48:46] <exec> Weather for Leeuwarden, Netherlands at 2014-07-19 12:25:00 (UTC) ~ 0.4 hrs ago:
[12:48:46] <exec> temperature = 89.6°F (32°C) dewpoint = 59°F (15°C)
[12:48:47] <exec> barometric pressure = 1011 mb ~ change of -0.6 mb over past 0.4 hrs relative humdity = 35%
[12:48:47] <exec> wind speed = 10 mph (16 km/h) wind direction = 150°
[12:48:48] <ciri> Spawns 10 creepers around arti.
[12:48:58] <crutchy> aw that looks nice right about now
[12:49:11] <crutchy> wtf ciri lol
[12:49:26] <xlefay> LOL
[12:49:30] <xlefay> !grab ciri
[12:49:30] <Bender> Added quote 208
[12:49:56] <crutchy> wonder where it got that
[12:53:15] <crutchy> coffee++
[12:53:15] <Bender> karma - coffee: 400
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[12:58:35] <xlefay> bbl ;]
[12:58:41] <xlefay> Have a good one & take care guys ;)
[12:58:50] <crutchy> no worries xlefay. haf fun. stay cool
[12:59:07] <xlefay> Will do, hope you'll feel better soon eh ;-)
[13:00:07] <prospectacle> see you xlefay
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[13:01:45] <prospectacle> what's happening in your neck of the woods crutchy? I'm watching arrested development
[13:03:57] <crutchy> i'm eating lollies and drinking milo
[13:04:13] <crutchy> enjoying the sound of the heater fan whirring away :-p
[13:04:49] <crutchy> contemplating doing some more work on exec logging
[13:04:54] <crutchy> how bout you?
[13:05:19] <crutchy> you had better than average i think i remember. get up to anything?
[13:05:29] <prospectacle> inspired by discussions of memcached I'm looking at some optimisations for a work project
[13:05:36] <crutchy> ah
[13:06:00] <prospectacle> yeah good day today, went to the markets and met a bunch of people there, caught up. Also got a fair bit of work on personal projects done today, on my master plan machine. also had a nice walk
[13:06:13] * crutchy is so backwards in going forwards sometimes. doesn't do homework enough to find whats out there
[13:06:19] <crutchy> oh good
[13:06:32] <crutchy> walking is good
[13:06:48] <prospectacle> yeah i've been trying to get in the habit of a decent walk each day.
[13:06:50] <crutchy> you in sydney somewhere i guess
[13:07:00] <prospectacle> It's such a basic health requirement but so easy to avoid in today's world
[13:07:27] <crutchy> i like walking to work, but then i never know if i'm going to need a car for a job
[13:07:33] <prospectacle> no I was just searching sydney as a test. I'm a bit more south
[13:07:52] <crutchy> not victoria far south though
[13:07:56] <prospectacle> crutchy, yeah, people kind of expect driving which can be bad sometimes.
[13:08:14] <prospectacle> no, not that far south. about half way between
[13:08:36] <prospectacle> it's ironic how much easier everything is in the modern world, but how much easier it also is to avoid the necessities
[13:08:47] <prospectacle> when i used to work at home i'm surprised i didn't get rickets.
[13:08:49] <crutchy> i'd prolly have more fun walking without having to get somewhere by a certain time, but never happens
[13:09:02] <prospectacle> I could be in the same pajamas for two days straight during a work week.
[13:09:14] <prospectacle> yeah walking is good. It's taken me a while to get in the habit, but i really enjoy it now
[13:09:14] <crutchy> jarmies++
[13:09:14] <Bender> karma - jarmies: 1
[13:09:42] <prospectacle> I find you gotta do between 40 and 80 minutes to get the most enjoyment, but that's just me
[13:10:04] <crutchy> prolly also helps to have somewhere scenic to walk
[13:10:14] <prospectacle> yeah, often we drive places to go for a walk, lol
[13:10:21] <prospectacle> I guess it's not more dumb than driving to teh gym
[13:10:48] <crutchy> hmm prolly lucky this isn't irc with the smell plugin
[13:11:25] <prospectacle> 🚶
[13:12:58] <prospectacle> 🌵 🌴 🚶 🌠 🐙
[13:13:03] <prospectacle> that's me going for a walk in interesting places
[13:13:23] <crutchy> do you walk in the matrix or something?
[13:13:36] <crutchy> looks like a bunch of numbers in boxes here :-p
[13:13:41] <prospectacle> well i may have misremembered some minor details
[13:13:46] <prospectacle> oh
[13:13:57] <prospectacle> then yes, the matrix
[13:14:03] <crutchy> i think my font-foo is poor
[13:14:10] <prospectacle> "I know this walk isn't real, but you know what I've realised. I don't care"
[13:14:49] <crutchy> "why oh why didn't i take the blue pill"
[13:15:28] <prospectacle> do you have a particular vision for exec, that you will go "yep that's what I wanted it to be", or is it going to be an ever-expanding collection of miscellaneous cool features
[13:16:18] <prospectacle> both are good, in my opinion, just curious
[13:17:16] <crutchy> its just the product of a deranged mind
[13:17:24] <crutchy> more of a plaything
[13:17:48] <crutchy> but if i can make it do something that others would find useful that would be good
[13:18:05] <crutchy> like chromas' monopoly title thingy
[13:18:10] <crutchy> or sedbot etc
[13:18:37] <prospectacle> seems like it does a lot of cool and useful things. Was just wondering if there's a particular direction in which it's heading or if it's just whatever you feel like on the day
[13:18:49] <prospectacle> i like the weather and definition features especially
[13:18:58] <prospectacle> those are things people would need to do anyway
[13:19:04] <prospectacle> so it saves time
[13:19:34] <crutchy> i kinda like the concept of damage tolerance, so i guess that's a theme
[13:19:52] <crutchy> if part of the program borks, it doesn't bring down the whole thing
[13:20:12] <crutchy> i guess the irc connection is a single point of failure though
[13:20:32] <prospectacle> you could have a watchdog process that restarts it if it breaks
[13:20:36] <prospectacle> or loses connection
[13:20:42] <crutchy> it has that now
[13:20:46] <prospectacle> nice
[13:21:05] <crutchy> but i wouldn't mind moving as much out of the irc process as possible
[13:21:32] <crutchy> just put functions in libraries that can be included by multiple scripts running in separate processes
[13:21:35] <prospectacle> if you're interested in fault tolerance, you could have it check logs when it comes back online and provide (up to a maximum amount) any info it should have provided while offline
[13:21:57] <crutchy> nod nod
[13:22:18] <prospectacle> so if your internet goes down and i go ~weather melbourne and then later exec could say "Prospectacle, from earlier: weather is ...."
[13:22:27] <prospectacle> I guess oyu'd want a maximum delay, so you don't get days old messages
[13:22:33] <crutchy> lol true
[13:22:50] <prospectacle> it would seem sentient if it did that
[13:23:05] <prospectacle> exec has logged in
[13:23:07] <ciri> Next exec mini-project: detection/recovery from ping timeout.
[13:23:14] <crutchy> "prospectacle... yesterday it was pissing down rain so hope you had a brolly"
[13:23:42] <prospectacle> <exec> Hey <ciri> you asked for definition of "relipiratiosing" ten minutes ago, here it is..
[13:23:46] <prospectacle> yeah exactly
[13:24:26] <crutchy> ciri seems to repeat what i say a fair bit. i guess that means i talk a lot on here :-/
[13:25:30] <prospectacle> yeah i'm still trying to figure out its formula
[13:25:39] <prospectacle> it seems to include bits of real dialog, maybe it randomly mashes them together
[13:25:54] <prospectacle> it's like those emails that try to get around the spam filter
[13:27:38] <crutchy> lol "agent smith... a villain so cool, they just copied him a bunch of times instead of coming up with another cool bad guy"
[13:27:57] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[13:29:17] <prospectacle> first matrix was such an interesting and refreshing movie and then....
[13:30:16] <prospectacle> oh well we can just pretend they only made one movie
[13:30:47] <crutchy> i kinda didn't mind the sequels... the first time i saw them anyway
[13:31:59] <prospectacle> they weren't terrible, but in my opinion they didn't really live up to the promise of the first one. Each one less imaginative and well-executed than the last.
[13:32:38] <prospectacle> kidn of like the spidermans
[13:32:57] <prospectacle> heavier and heavier on the cgi, lighter and lighter on the interesting new ideas
[13:34:11] <prospectacle> then they rebooted it with that andrew garfield or whatever it was
[13:34:16] <prospectacle> I guess they could reboot hte matrix
[13:35:54] <crutchy> or they could just rip of some other concept that's prolly been regurgitated throughout the ages :-p
[13:37:17] <prospectacle> yeah, robin hood enters the matrix, to catch the evil sherrif who killed one of his merry men then travelled back to the future and then entered the matrix
[13:58:51] <crutchy> hmm watchdog process... i missed that bit. exec has dc detection (reverse ping) but not a separate process that monitors it. that sounds interesting
[14:02:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 3D Ice Cream Printer at MIT - http://sylnt.us - now-ain't-that-cool
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[15:23:01] <mrcoolbp> ~time xlefay
[15:23:02] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Saturday, 19 July 2014, 03:23:02 pm
[15:23:10] <mrcoolbp> ~time Netherlands
[15:23:11] <exec> [Google] 5:23pm Saturday (CEST) - Time in The Netherlands
[15:51:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Maps from the Silver Age of Comic Books - http://sylnt.us - where-are-you-again?
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[17:20:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Get Ready Siri, BlackBerry Bouncing Back with Voice-Enabled Assistant - http://sylnt.us - too-little-too-late?
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[18:48:05] <kobach> no
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[19:32:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Computer Models Show what Might Happen to Earth After Nuclear War - http://sylnt.us - maybe-we-shouldn't
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[20:04:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> fishing accomplished. now for a smoke then a nap.
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[20:07:10] <arti> sounds like a good day thusfar
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[20:10:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep. plenty o fish caught. burger ate. now for the post-fishing nap.
[20:13:04] <kobach> lol
[20:15:12] <arti> "do what you must. i have already won"
[20:15:17] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: did you get the big one?
[20:16:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, went out in the boat today. found a couple pods of shad getting tore up by sand bass and pulled several bass in though.
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[20:20:27] * chromas_ just noticed this is connected to port 7000
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[20:25:16] <kobach> lol
[20:38:53] <arti> "The oldest cat ever, according to Guinness World Records, died in Texas, USA, in August 2005 at the age of 38 years."
[20:38:54] <arti> wow
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[20:41:34] <paulej72> bullhsit
[20:42:04] <paulej72> I can’t believe that there was a 38 year old cat.
[20:42:38] <arti> was reading about a 28 year old cat and that was mentioned in the article
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[21:01:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Obese Women Show Impaired Learning Abilities Specific to Food - http://sylnt.us - misleading-seeing
[22:19:24] <paulej72> too quite NEED TO SHOUT AGAIN
[22:25:27] <crutchy> ~bucket last_ciri_#soylent
[22:25:29] <exec> bucket not found
[22:25:43] <crutchy> ~bucket last_crutchy_#soylent
[22:25:45] <exec> bucket not found
[22:26:08] <crutchy> ~buckets-list
[22:26:09] <exec> bucket list output to terminal
[22:26:10] <exec> bucket count: 32
[22:26:42] <crutchy> ~bucket last_ciri_#Soylent
[22:26:44] <exec> Next exec mini-project: detection/recovery from ping timeout.
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[23:00:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Massive Interest-Free Loan Program Announced for Solar Users in India - http://sylnt.us - a-bright-idea
[23:07:28] <crutchy> coffee++
[23:07:28] <Bender> karma - coffee: 401
[23:07:56] <crutchy> coffee++
[23:07:57] <Bender> karma - coffee: 402
[23:08:09] <crutchy> coffee++
[23:08:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 403
[23:08:40] * crutchy is trying to get sedbot (proper sedbot) up and running
[23:20:12] <crutchy> coffee++
[23:20:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 404
[23:47:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[23:47:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 405
[23:49:12] <crutchy> coffee++
[23:49:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 406
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