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[01:05:51] <SpallsHurgenson> Poink!
[01:09:32] <juggs> allo SpallsHurgenson - how's things?
[01:13:40] * SpallsHurgenson is happy to report that his windows8 laptop has managed to fuck up its updates again... just love that OS :)
[01:17:44] <juggs> uch I had that experience setting up my dad's new laptop. Had to clear the update caches (or was it manifests?) numerous times just getting the thing from as bought to up to date.
[01:18:32] <SpallsHurgenson> last time it happened - with that big 8.1 update in April - I eventually had to restore from disk. I don't think I'll bother this time.
[01:24:16] <Hawkeye> an article about googling naughty images?
[01:24:20] <Hawkeye> finally, I'm in my element
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[01:26:14] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, that was the one that killed it for me mostly, but I did find the fix eventually buried on some obscure blog. I seem to remember it involved disabling the update and helper services, rebooting, emptying the update caches, then re-enabling... I may have it bookmarked.... give me a min to rummage around
[01:26:33] <SpallsHurgenson> juggs: don't bother :)
[01:27:05] <SpallsHurgenson> I saw all those tricks last time and I'll be arsed if I have to futze around with it this time.
[01:27:40] <SpallsHurgenson> it just amuses me how awful Win8 is. It's like Microsoft saw Vista and said, "that was terrible; how can we top that?"
[01:27:58] <juggs> what's the alternative? just not use it?
[01:28:25] <SpallsHurgenson> it's mostly for writing, so I'm not to concerned about security issues
[01:29:53] <juggs> it had a pretty evil failure mode too, it just sat in the background at 0% progress, then eventually said something about a timeout... nothing that would alert a non-savvy user that the update process was completely and utterly foobar and would never apply another update again until fixed :(
[01:30:47] <SpallsHurgenson> I like how their downloadable diagnostic tool says everything is fixed with big green checkmarks but the problem remains :)
[01:31:11] <SpallsHurgenson> although I guess it's better than last time, when the tool said "sorry, can't fix it so fuck you" :)
[01:31:41] <juggs> Glad I don't need to use it. Occasionally boot into Win 7 for some OBD-II interface software to my car but otherwise it remains unused.
[01:32:35] <juggs> It seems I didn't bookmark the link anyway....
[01:38:33] <SpallsHurgenson> link tease!
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[01:51:50] <juggs> link tease?
[01:52:01] <juggs> ooh right
[01:56:43] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, It was something like this: http://rahuldpatel.wordpress.com but there was a couple of other helper services that also needed disabling and a reboot required before clearing the cache.
[01:56:44] <monopoly> ^ 03Clearing Windows Update Cache Upon Update Failure | RahulPatel--twikies...
[01:57:47] <juggs> As I say the fix was in some obscure blog that I only stumbled across after hours of trying a gadzillion things
[01:58:46] <juggs> shame we don;t have on site messaging - someone like Hairyfeet probably knows the answer off the top of their head
[02:05:42] <SpallsHurgenson> everyday I miss my air conditioner more and more :(
[02:06:06] <mrcoolbp> {{Spalls}}
[02:06:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, post it as an issue. it wouldn't be that hard to implement.
[02:06:38] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, did it elope with the fridge?
[02:06:51] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, on github?
[02:06:59] <mrcoolbp> juggs yes
[02:07:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, ya
[02:07:08] <mrcoolbp> hah, ninjaed you
[02:07:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'to be expected. my fingers is all wore out from casting
[02:07:35] <mrcoolbp> juggs: hows the IRC documentation going?
[02:07:43] <juggs> ta - not sure it's something everyone would want, but I guess we could have an option to not receive messages from other users or some such
[02:07:43] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: that'll do it
[02:07:58] <mrcoolbp> .op
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[02:09:24] <SpallsHurgenson> ac unit died and am waiting for a replacement... still got nearly a month to go (it's a custom unit apparently)
[02:09:34] <juggs> mrcoolbp, paulej72 is still figuring out how to get me into the correct groups so I can access what I need to - I'll likely not start on it until tomorrow. Shall I just throw it up on the wiki or would it be best to circulate for review first or w/e?
[02:09:56] <mrcoolbp> juggs: I'd just throw it up on the wiki and link to it from the IRC team page
[02:10:11] <mrcoolbp> (not from the IRC (user facing) page)
[02:10:48] <mrcoolbp> juggs: you are probably the most knowledgeable person on the subject at this point, so I'm not sure who would really be able to correct you, plus it wiki = )
[02:11:09] <mrcoolbp> juggs: of course, you could let me know when you do so I can take a gander
[02:11:12] <juggs> oh OK - is the irc team page not publically viewable?
[02:11:24] <mrcoolbp> no it is, it's just more for staff use
[02:11:38] <mrcoolbp> IRC page is linked on the front page
[02:11:48] <mrcoolbp> Team Page you kinda have to drill down a bit
[02:12:02] <mrcoolbp> It's not protected info though, yanno?
[02:12:22] <juggs> not that it matters, it's just going to be a summary of useful commands, whey all need the right privileges to actually carry out so hiding it away would be no more secure anyway
[02:12:33] <juggs> they*
[02:12:37] <mrcoolbp> juggs: exactly what I've been hoping for for months
[02:13:00] <juggs> If I'm the most knowledgeable - gawd help us!
[02:13:02] <ciri> Do you think of help and help alike. But i broke off from the ols one with xlefay's help.
[02:13:10] <mrcoolbp> juggs: maybe you could indicate which privs each set of commands needs?
[02:13:14] <juggs> thanks ciri
[02:13:39] <mrcoolbp> juggs: yeah, that happens around here sometimes, we live in constant "FSM help us!" mode
[02:13:43] <juggs> mrcoolbp, sure, makes sense.
[02:13:51] <mrcoolbp> that is a slight exaggeration actually
[02:13:57] <juggs> brb, need nicotine
[02:13:59] <mrcoolbp> k
[02:14:13] * mrcoolbp tries to read some more legalese
[02:14:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't do it! it's worse than slashcode
[02:14:49] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: you ain't kiddin'
[02:15:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'why lawyers make more money than code monkeys
[02:15:11] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: I thought I could at least have a tenous grasp on it, but it's rough
[02:15:20] <mrcoolbp> TMB: mmm, good point
[02:16:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> laws really should be written in code. less need for lawyers. but then lawyers write the laws, so that'll never happen.
[02:17:00] <mrcoolbp> yeah, I think they intentionally obfuscate that shit to protect their $$
[02:17:23] <Popeidol> in a way, they are written in code
[02:17:38] <Popeidol> all the terms are very carefully defined
[02:17:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, s'to make sure nobody else can horn in on their racket even though in theory the stuff is in english.
[02:18:25] <mrcoolbp> It's almost as intelligible as "Old English"
[02:18:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i can read chaucer
[02:18:52] <mrcoolbp> that's middle english I think
[02:18:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> though i guess that was middle
[02:18:57] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[02:19:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> you just ninjaing up a storm tonight
[02:19:11] <mrcoolbp> = )
[02:19:27] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: resident ninja, it's one of my many jobs here
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[02:20:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ima put in for resident pirate. then everyone can argue about theoretical epic battles between us.
[02:20:37] <mrcoolbp> sounds fair.
[02:21:21] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: I think I'm actually starting to understand this legalese stock crap, on the 3rd or 4th read-though tho
[02:24:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> personally, i'm with Dick from Henery VI on the matter of lawyers.
[02:25:08] <mrcoolbp> care to elaborate on that?
[02:25:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."
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[02:26:52] <NCommander> I *really* hate technology
[02:26:54] <NCommander> I also hate my sleep cycle
[02:27:26] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: yo
[02:27:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> having hell getting back to normal hours?
[02:27:40] <NCommander> Well
[02:27:46] <NCommander> I stayed up 'til 7pm yesterday
[02:27:51] <NCommander> Staying up 36 hours
[02:27:57] <NCommander> Guess what time I woke up today? :-/
[02:28:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> 3am
[02:28:53] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: that's rough, sorry to hear sir.
[02:29:34] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: did you manage TheMightyBuzzard's pull request yet? (you asked me to figure out what you were blocking people on)
[02:29:43] <mrcoolbp> = )
[02:29:45] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I'm working on it today
[02:29:48] <mrcoolbp> nice
[02:29:54] * NCommander is trying to get out from all this paperwork
[02:30:00] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I hear ya
[02:30:00] <NCommander> RIght now, writing a post to go live yesterday
[02:30:05] <mrcoolbp> lol
[02:30:38] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: should we try to do a board meeting before you leave for russia?
[02:30:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, dig it. no rush. i can go fishing again tomorrow if absolutely necessary.
[02:31:01] <juggs> errrrmaaagawwwd is NCommander doing a snowden?
[02:31:26] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, berlin :-P
[02:31:27] <mrcoolbp> yup, the NSA is after us - oops, I wasn't supposed to talk about it!!
[02:31:36] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: yeah that = )
[02:31:42] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: when do you leave?
[02:32:13] <juggs> ooh Berlin is fantastic, i have family there. Lucky blighter.
[02:32:18] <mrcoolbp> paulej72, that reminds me: we should setup a warrant canary
[02:32:32] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, the 36th
[02:32:36] <mrcoolbp> rofl
[02:32:38] <NCommander> 25th
[02:32:40] <NCommander> Off by one error
[02:33:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> treacherous fingers
[02:33:20] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I left you a message in staff
[02:33:44] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: hmm I might have time tomorrow at 7pm, could you swing that?
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[02:33:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, saw it and got nothing but error back from groupserv
[02:33:59] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, yeah, that *should* work
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[02:34:10] * mrcoolbp emails matt_
[02:34:11] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I'm trying to figure out what I'm going to put in this post, and if I should post the GNUcash file
[02:34:27] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I don't think that's necessary
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[02:34:40] <mrcoolbp> but I guess it wouldn't hurt
[02:35:47] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, continuing with the openness tread
[02:35:50] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, how long will you be up
[02:36:14] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: 1.5 hours
[02:36:41] * mrcoolbp has to be awake in 7 hours from now
[02:37:31] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, fun
[02:37:36] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I'm forcing myself to write
[02:37:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have to be up in 7.5 if i'm going fishing. bout the same if i'm coding.
[02:37:53] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I'm happy to review
[02:38:20] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: I'm planning on 6 hours of sleep, that should do.
[02:38:53] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: did you see my corrected command
[02:38:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i need less and less as i get older.
[02:38:59] <mrcoolbp> NCommander, paulej72: warrant canary?
[02:39:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, yep and joined
[02:39:05] <ciri> Arti xlefay chromas crutchy bacon coffee kobach mattie_p ncommander bytram mrcoolbp paulej72 barrabas zford auto_def khyber hax0rz.
[02:39:11] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I had it on the TODO list of shit I wanted to do
[02:39:18] * NCommander is jonesing for a cigarette
[02:39:20] <NCommander> argh
[02:39:35] * mrcoolbp hands NC his e-cig
[02:40:04] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: we should put me in "Administration" or something
[02:40:23] <kobach> what
[02:40:25] <kobach> oh
[02:40:28] <kobach> it was just ciri
[02:40:37] <mrcoolbp> kobach: lol, I ignored that thing
[02:41:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> ditto. fooking annoying trying to parse it then realizing it's just ciri
[02:41:16] <mrcoolbp> exactly
[02:41:30] <crutchy_fone> wait till ciri learns perl
[02:41:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not that patient
[02:42:05] <chromas> Feed it lines of slash and see what happens
[02:42:10] <mrcoolbp> crutchy_fone: judging from what I've heard about slashcode, it's a possibility
[02:42:29] <chromas> Will it gain sentience? Will it go insane and take over the world?
[02:42:34] * mrcoolbp feeds ciri a slashcode snack
[02:42:58] <crutchy_fone> it might at least go insane and eat arti
[02:42:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> my money's on it giving an out of cheese error
[02:43:26] <crutchy_fone> will have to put arti in a cage... for his own protection of course
[02:43:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, was there a reason for that command?
[02:44:28] <crutchy_fone> exec has timed out i see from back log. stupid blocked tubes
[02:44:30] <paulej72> to get you into the correct group for permissions
[02:44:59] <paulej72> crutchy_fone: exlax
[02:45:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds good. i'll leave you n juggs to get things sorted then.
[02:46:06] <crutchy_fone> paulej72 i suspected it was full of shit
[02:46:56] <crutchy_fone> now we have our proof
[02:51:27] <mrcoolbp> !todo warrant canary
[02:51:27] <Bender> todo item 18 added
[02:52:04] <chromas> I thought that was ciri's job
[02:52:16] <chromas> When it starts making sense, something's not right
[02:52:58] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I'm going to write this up, then let you and matt_ digest it
[02:53:17] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: ready when you are
[02:53:39] * juggs needs additional screen acreage
[02:54:13] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, well, I wrote a small outline
[02:54:50] <mrcoolbp> juggs: I need a whole new setup
[02:56:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't have room for any more monitors. i'd have to build some kind of frame for them and use the vesa mounts to add more.
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[02:56:35] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: those SN images you made (I think you called them emblems or something) are those vector?
[02:56:36] <juggs> mrcoolbp, likewise. I need more screens just because, but my whole setup needs a refresh.
[02:56:47] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, no just pngs
[02:56:57] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: what were you using?
[02:57:09] <prospectacle> libre-office + paint
[02:57:14] <juggs> TMB, those multi armed VESA mounts are great.
[02:57:22] * mrcoolbp wants one
[02:57:59] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, you know, the high-end stuff that pros use
[02:58:13] <juggs> we'll all end up with personal mission control madness going on
[02:58:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, i'd just end up fabricating one. my shop building is up to it.
[02:58:35] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: make one for me too?
[02:58:35] <juggs> TheMightyBuzzard, group deal? :D
[02:58:42] <mrcoolbp> Prospectacle: MS paint?
[02:58:51] <prospectacle> yeah
[02:58:57] <juggs> HA! finally ninja'd mrcoolbp - that's a first and last I expect
[02:59:10] * mrcoolbp turns in his ninja card
[02:59:20] * NCommander is dealing w/ a massive backlog of emails
[02:59:30] <BlackHole> mrcoolbp, NCommander, tomorrow at 7pm works for me.
[02:59:35] <mrcoolbp> YAY!
[02:59:42] * mrcoolbp sends an email to the staff list
[02:59:59] * NCommander licks BlackHole, but gets stuck in the event horizon
[03:00:02] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: which board positions were we trying to fill?
[03:00:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, juggs, mine'll be customized to fit on a rolly table thing if i end up needing one because i dug up another monitor.
[03:00:22] <BlackHole> mrcoolbp, i think that we should think carefully about a warrant canary, as such things may be on pretty shaky legal ground...
[03:00:22] <crutchy_fone> i need moar screens... just cos of peer pressure and my electricity bill isn't making me completely broke yet :-p
[03:00:24] * mrcoolbp buys a rolly table thing
[03:00:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> have to go vertical next. no horizontal room left
[03:00:40] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: really?
[03:00:41] <mrcoolbp> hmm
[03:00:58] <BlackHole> mrcoolbp, so we aren't required by law to fill any other positions, but we can create and fill any that are needed
[03:00:59] <NCommander> BlackHole, eh, a fair number of organizations use them
[03:01:08] <BlackHole> mrcoolbp, for example, making the position of Editor in Chief official.
[03:01:17] <crutchy_fone> dont you set up a canary only after a bunch of workers have died?
[03:01:24] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: does that need to be a board position?
[03:01:36] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: there were a few positions we discussed
[03:01:41] * mrcoolbp checks the wiki
[03:01:48] <BlackHole> mrcoolbp, the issue is that if you get a letter with a gag order, and then take down your warrant canary in response, that could be considered a violation of the order.
[03:02:04] <mrcoolbp> hmm, that makes sense.
[03:02:11] <mrcoolbp> damned gubermentz
[03:02:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> BlackHole, that position would be on extremely shaky ground itself.
[03:02:41] <BlackHole> mrcoolbp, in other words, just because you put yourself in the position of having to choose between complying with an order and not lying, doesn't mean you can violate the order, if you understand what i mean...
[03:02:54] <mrcoolbp> OH I get you
[03:02:56] <prospectacle> how about you actively send a message everyday to subscribers saying "No warrants today", unless..
[03:03:09] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle, same idea though
[03:03:22] <prospectacle> true but no action required post-warrant
[03:03:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> BlackHole, right but the warrant does not force you to lie to your users, only not inform them.
[03:03:31] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: hmmm
[03:03:33] <BlackHole> prospectacle, yeah, i think that could be considered "informing" your subscribers
[03:03:34] <crutchy_fone> just ignore the letters. what are they gunna do? try to take it to court to prove that its constitutional? oh wait... waterboarding
[03:04:09] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: he makes a decent point that we aren't taking any action (except the action of NOT taking action)
[03:04:12] <prospectacle> blackhole, mrcoolbp, probably still run afoul somehow. I wouldn't put it past them to make "not sending a dishonest message" illegal
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[03:04:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh we talking NSLs? those're getting thrown out right and left by appeals courts.
[03:04:26] <prospectacle> but would look funny in court
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[03:04:39] <mrcoolbp> really TheMightyBuzzard?
[03:04:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> declared unconstitutional in two circuits already.
[03:04:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> forget which.
[03:04:50] <ciri> And ill forget irl that americans dont use c.
[03:04:54] <mrcoolbp> whoa cool
[03:05:15] <crutchy_fone> back to the grindstone for me
[03:05:16] <BlackHole> TheMightyBuzzard, yeah, hopefully they won't be able to use those kinds of letters too much longer. it seems that there is quite a bit of outrage.
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[03:05:24] <juggs> Do we really expect NSLs? It's not like we are some cadre of anti-establishment ne'er do wells
[03:05:38] * mrcoolbp finds the board meeting logs and looks for the discussion on adding more board memebers
[03:05:45] <mrcoolbp> juggs: yes we do
[03:05:47] * TheMightyBuzzard eyes juggs suspiciously
[03:06:37] <juggs> mrcoolbp, we do?? why so? Makes no odds to me, I'm in the UK, all my traffic is sniffed whatever I do.
[03:06:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> juggs, we'll likely end up getting at least one for a staff member
[03:07:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know i'm certainly on their watch lists
[03:07:11] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: care to answer jugg's question for me?
[03:07:39] * mrcoolbp keeps reading hte board meeting log
[03:08:01] <BlackHole> juggs, imagine that one of our users is E. Snowden. I can imagine that the intelligence community would be interested in knowing from which IP address he was connecting, and any other info that might be in our DB.
[03:09:40] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: will electing more board memebers make it more difficult to schedule meetings? e.g. we need a "quorum" to conduct?
[03:10:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> sleep now i think. see you lot tomorrow sometime.
[03:10:59] <BlackHole> mrcoolbp, it will make scheduling more of a challenge, for sure. I don't think it's a bad thing, but probably best done slowly, say one or two more soon, then see how that goes for a while?
[03:10:59] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: have fun with the casting and fishies tomorrow
[03:11:34] <juggs> BlackHole, can we not just move to a fe facto no logs stored position. Not that it helps post NSL for future sessions, but if we don;t hold it we can;t give it up surely.
[03:11:49] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: okay, I'd like to expand the board, but I don't want to make it more difficult to conduct business
[03:11:57] <BlackHole> juggs, i am certainly in favor of retaining as few records as possible.
[03:12:10] <mrcoolbp> ^^^ yeah that
[03:12:18] <juggs> BlackHole, something for the agenda ;)
[03:12:33] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: please add ^^^
[03:12:34] <BlackHole> juggs, unfortunately, if an agency decides that a person of interest is using our service, we may receive a letter forcing us to retain records :/
[03:13:16] <mrcoolbp> !todo add new editors to staff-list
[03:13:16] <Bender> todo item 19 added
[03:13:19] <juggs> BlackHole, absolutely, I understand that. But at least there is no historical info available to feed into the correlation algorithms these guys undoubtably employ.
[03:14:06] <NCommander> juggs, we don't log IPs directly except in error logs
[03:14:25] <NCommander> and the admin access log (if you log into an admin account, it gets logged in a special tale)
[03:14:26] <NCommander> *table
[03:15:02] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: does that mean true IPs are completely innaccessible?
[03:15:23] <BlackHole> NCommander, aren't we able to ban spammers based on their IP?
[03:15:24] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, you could probably bruteforce the hashs back into real IPs
[03:15:40] <mrcoolbp> okay
[03:15:44] <NCommander> BlackHole, slashcode takes a MD5 hash of the /32 and /24 IP addresses, and can apply bans based on those numbers
[03:15:51] <BlackHole> i see.
[03:15:54] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, it wouldn't be trivial though, and I think they get salted
[03:15:56] <juggs> NCommander, good to know.
[03:16:09] <mrcoolbp> I beleive you said they were salted
[03:16:12] * NCommander notes salting is disabled on production
[03:16:18] <mrcoolbp> ?!?
[03:16:25] <juggs> rainbow tables
[03:16:29] <NCommander> juggs, I'm aware
[03:16:37] <NCommander> THeproblem is Slash doesn't resalt its database
[03:16:41] <juggs> NCommander, I'm sure you are :D
[03:16:48] <NCommander> If I change the salts, slash never updates the stored IPs
[03:16:50] <NCommander> or passwords
[03:16:52] <NCommander> Automatically
[03:16:56] <NCommander> for IPs, thats fine
[03:17:01] <NCommander> But how often do you change your PW on the site
[03:17:21] <mrcoolbp> not vey
[03:17:25] <mrcoolbp> very
[03:17:37] * mrcoolbp writes email to staff
[03:18:27] <juggs> NCommander, it's just something to be aware of and put on the future list for consideration to do something about then prioritised along with the gadzillion other things you guys have spinning.
[03:20:33] <juggs> irc is a gaping hole anyway as we have log bots all over the place... any user could be a log bot or doing their own logging of comms. I know I'm preaching to the converted here, so I'll shup and go back to atheme documentation :D
[03:21:39] <prospectacle> my logbot is called niclserv it gets all kinds of interesting messages
[03:22:10] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: what are the main goals of the next meeting?
[03:22:16] <juggs> prospectacle, lol
[03:23:10] <mrcoolbp> juggs: there certainly are a lot of items spinning
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[03:24:18] <BlackHole> mrcoolbp, basically: 1. review the minutes of the last meeting, 2. update on progress towards goals, 3. discuss remaining issues regarding setting up the corporation (meetings on IRC, stock proposal, etc.), 4. any other business (SN policy document, possibly including policy on retaining records, etc.)
[03:25:04] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: thanks, did I forward you what we had for the SN policy manual?
[03:25:35] * mrcoolbp notes he should probably forward that to NCommander as well but didn't want to add to his crazy inbox backlog
[03:25:42] <BlackHole> mrcoolbp, we will need to vote on the "meetings over IRC" issue, then ideally ratify with a signed document. after that, we won't have to worry about doing everything unanimously.
[03:25:47] <juggs> mrcoolbp, how are you guys managing your prioritisation and todo? As shit grows it will rapidly outgrow irc comms and loose individual todo's. I'm sure you and BlackHole have it in hand but I'm just interested.
[03:26:04] <BlackHole> mrcoolbp, i don't think i got that. could you resend?
[03:27:16] <NCommander> BlackHole, I think we need to work out a more flexible meeting schedule
[03:27:26] <mrcoolbp> juggs: hmm I'm not sure I understand what you are asking
[03:27:27] <NCommander> Unless we want to go for the world record of most special meetings ever done by a corporation
[03:27:36] <mrcoolbp> juggs: my todo lists are rediculous at this point
[03:28:02] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I think someone can beat our record of 2
[03:28:37] <BlackHole> NCommander, agreed, what would you recommend?
[03:30:27] <mrcoolbp> juggs: we have exchanged phone numbers and we've all met in person
[03:30:42] <mrcoolbp> s/in person/in meatspace/
[03:31:19] * mrcoolbp goes to kick sedbot and notices he's absent
[03:31:24] <BlackHole> mrcoolbp, that reminds me, you should be getting a letter tomorrow or Thursday from "SoylentNews PBC" with your debit card :)
[03:31:40] * BlackHole put it in the mail today
[03:31:57] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: cool! You used my address from our first meatspace meeting?
[03:32:04] <BlackHole> yep!
[03:32:10] <mrcoolbp> you're so smart.
[03:32:22] * BlackHole blushes
[03:32:41] <mrcoolbp> juggs: prioritisation is key, we always have a backlog of stuff to do
[03:32:49] <mrcoolbp> juggs: I have like 234908 jobs here
[03:33:03] * mrcoolbp notes that may be an exaggeration
[03:33:23] * mrcoolbp attempts to finish this email
[03:33:34] <mrcoolbp> juggs: we need to get you on the mailing list
[03:34:03] <mrcoolbp> !todo add juggs to mailing list
[03:34:03] <Bender> todo item 20 added
[03:34:05] <mrcoolbp> !todo add TMB to mailing list
[03:34:07] <Bender> todo item 21 added
[03:34:27] <juggs> mrcoolbp, that was my point really, just piling tasks into todos quickly ends up with people burning out, it's unhealthy both personally and for the organisation overall. It's worked so far pretty much, but there comes a point in the birth of a new operation where it has to move from firefighting and tactics to strategy. I see a lot of people working very hard, doing good work and some frying out, but I don't really see any future strategy that def
[03:34:27] <juggs> ines how things can be prioritised. It's not really for me to worry about and I suspect BlackHole is more adept at these thing anyway. I shall observe :D
[03:35:29] <mrcoolbp> juggs: fair point, that's why I've been recruiting more people like you = )
[03:36:24] <mrcoolbp> juggs: I'll note we have gotten a fair amount of things accomplished
[03:36:41] <mrcoolbp> juggs: we are now a corporation pursuing revenue to support the site
[03:37:07] <mrcoolbp> juggs: that was just an idea a few weeks ago
[03:37:08] <ciri> Hasn't kept up with 90-hour weeks move to startups - http://sylnt.us - volunteers-volunteers-vounteers.
[03:38:45] <BlackHole> did NC just accidentally post his article ;)
[03:38:48] <mrcoolbp> juggs: but we have had a fair amount of burnout. From what I understand you are trying to say that we need to prioritize?
[03:38:50] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp I made a to-do-list manager. if it would be of any help I can send you the source code. I use it myself every day (and there will be updates soonish)
[03:39:01] <prospectacle> http://masterplanmachine.com
[03:39:03] <monopoly> ^ 03Master Plan Machine
[03:39:17] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: I don't work with source code
[03:39:21] * mrcoolbp is not a dev
[03:39:41] <prospectacle> well you don't need to modify it. i just meant if you wanted to run it locally
[03:39:41] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: why yes, he did post it
[03:39:48] <prospectacle> Anyway I'm gonna add an "accounts" feature on the site itself soon enough
[03:40:00] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: I would probably need a compiled version
[03:40:15] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: you posted that story
[03:40:24] <prospectacle> 6 camments already
[03:40:36] <mrcoolbp> Hahaha
[03:40:40] <prospectacle> s/camments/respanses/
[03:40:54] <prospectacle> people writing about it
[03:41:38] <mrcoolbp> hmmmm, I should really un-do that posting....
[03:42:01] <prospectacle> aww, let the little guy play in the sun for a while before you put him down
[03:42:08] * mrcoolbp takes it off the mainpage
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[03:43:29] <prospectacle> lol it's "nothing to see here" now
[03:43:41] <mrcoolbp> yup
[03:45:46] <prospectacle> Anyway looks interesting based on TOC.
[03:45:56] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: whoa that todo is cool-looking
[03:46:06] <juggs> mrcoolbp, I'm suggesting the organisation becomes structurally taller I suppose. Separate the strategy from the tactics and operations somewhat... maybe I am ahead of myself here though, but I am concerned that those with the apparent vision for the development of the organisation are running around with their hair on fire dealing with day to day operational issues to the extent the strategising doesn't ever bubble to the surface for long enough fo
[03:46:06] <juggs> r them to really work on. This is just an outsider's perspective of course.
[03:47:09] <NCommander> BlackHole, mrcoolbp: I did >.<;
[03:47:14] <NCommander> It was only 68 words long
[03:47:18] <NCommander> Way too short for one of my posts
[03:47:18] <mrcoolbp> juggs: fair, but's it's volunteer, I'm not sure what else we can do
[03:47:20] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, thanks. I couldn't find any that were really any better than pen-and-paper so I thought I ought ot make one
[03:47:50] <mrcoolbp> juggs: I don't see the problem with having a long to-do list as long as you don't freak out when you look at it
[03:48:23] <mrcoolbp> juggs: I'm not sure what you are suggesting as the rememedy, I already posted a plea for more volunteers, we got a few responses
[03:49:14] <mrcoolbp> juggs: I have a bunch of stuff on my todo if you want to take some of them = )
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[03:49:28] <mrcoolbp> shit, I have to finish this email to staff
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[03:52:02] <swiss> http://imgur.com these came in the mail today
[03:52:03] <monopoly> ^ 03Gloves - Imgur
[03:53:35] <juggs> mrcoolbp, use your persuasive charms some more :D And yes you are correct about not freaking out about a long todo list, that's just pipeline management and individual prioritisation. I was more talking about an over-arching strategy definition that would better allow people to align their own individual priorities with the overall strategic priorities. Gah - having typed that I realise my mind has been poisoned by existing in large corp world for
[03:53:36] <juggs> far too long.
[03:54:14] * mrcoolbp promotes juggs to upper management
[03:54:15] <prospectacle> large corps sure are a different beast. They're similar to governments
[03:55:20] * prospectacle moves to soylentnewsistan and gets a job in the public service
[03:55:44] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: I'm pretty sure I tried to recruit you already
[03:57:11] <prospectacle> now that you mention it i'm moving to shorter week at work so maybe I will have some spare time soon.
[03:57:14] <juggs> mrcoolbp, we need to discuss golden parachute clauses etc. before I can contemplate that promotion... and so it goes on :D
[03:57:27] * mrcoolbp rolls eyes
[03:57:40] <mrcoolbp> just joined and is asking for pension
[03:57:41] <juggs> hey, I put a :D on it!
[03:57:42] * prospectacle tires to find a cheap back-alley doctor that can inject perl into his brain
[03:57:58] <juggs> pension - hell no - golden parachute
[03:58:02] <mrcoolbp> ug
[03:58:14] <prospectacle> woah, I know kung fu
[03:58:25] <juggs> lol matrix quote
[03:58:26] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: what are your skills besides being really really cool?
[03:58:42] <prospectacle> damn wrong needle. I better go ask for a refund
[03:58:50] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: I've made this exact joke already WRT to exact same situation
[03:59:15] * mrcoolbp attempts to finish this email
[03:59:23] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp. Mostly web stuff, but php at the backend instead of perl. Also making jokes that someone else has already made
[03:59:34] <mrcoolbp> ROFL
[03:59:43] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: CSS stuff?
[03:59:46] <prospectacle> don't let me distract you. Ping me when you're free
[04:00:06] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, a bit of css, js, html, php, mysql, etc
[04:00:34] <BlackHole> mrcoolbp, if it would be helpful for your email, the link to the wiki page for the last meeting's minutes is: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[04:00:35] <prospectacle> also I'm pretty handle with a coffee machine if I do say so myself
[04:00:35] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Board of Directors Meeting - July 8, 2014: [18:51] <@NCommander> Alright, I'm ready to begin [18:51] <@matt_> So, before we get to the agenda, a couple of quick points: [18:52] <prospectacle> NCommander. Sorry to hear it...
[04:00:56] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: waaaaaaay ahead of you
[04:01:04] <BlackHole> cool :)
[04:01:06] <mrcoolbp> = )
[04:01:18] <NCommander> :-)
[04:01:35] <mrcoolbp> prospectacle: at the least you could join my "Style/Userexperience" Team
[04:01:53] <mrcoolbp> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[04:01:53] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03UserExperience: The User Experience team developes art, CSS, and other UI elements and is connected with the Dev team. Take a look around here, if you'd like to help, contact style@soylentnews....
[04:02:14] <prospectacle> mrcoolbp, thanks for the ilnk
[04:02:28] * mrcoolbp is determined to finish this email
[04:05:46] * juggs kicks item 997: "SSO across all soylentnews assets" up NCommander's todo list 5 places. :D
[04:07:38] <mrcoolbp> SSO?
[04:07:43] <NCommander> single-sign on
[04:07:46] <mrcoolbp> ah
[04:07:52] <NCommander> juggs, I'll merge patches for an OpenID frontend to slashcode
[04:07:59] <NCommander> I've had that on my TODO list for awhile
[04:08:07] <mrcoolbp> yeah it has
[04:08:09] <mrcoolbp> juggs: did you signup?
[04:08:58] <juggs> mrcoolbp, too busy poking NCommander with a pointed stick, I'll do it now
[04:09:06] <mrcoolbp> k
[04:10:25] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: 1.5 hours is up, hows the story?
[04:10:46] <juggs> mrcoolbp, wth is this now? "Do not use a valuable password as it will occasionally be emailed back to you in cleartext."
[04:10:51] * juggs weeps
[04:11:08] <mrcoolbp> juggs: use a throw-away for this guy
[04:11:17] <juggs> no shit
[04:11:21] <mrcoolbp> lol
[04:11:44] <mrcoolbp> juggs: I didn't set up the list....
[04:11:58] <mrcoolbp> it would probably be worse if I did
[04:11:59] <ciri> I think it would probably earn you a disk image for a walk through the fireworks.
[04:14:16] <juggs> mrcoolbp, everything gets a unique password with me anyway, cumbersome as hell but meh... it's not even got the lip-service of being https.
[04:14:36] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, very slowly
[04:14:38] <NCommander> writing
[04:14:46] <NCommander> I'm seriously not doing great on this >.<;
[04:15:02] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I will have to retire soon, but you have a few more minutes
[04:15:27] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I'm drafting an email to staff alerting/inviting them to the meeting tomorrow
[04:16:43] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I'm debating if I'm willing to post this w/o you or BlackHole looking at it first :-/
[04:16:52] <NCommander> I'd like to get it out before the meeting to invite the community
[04:16:57] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: how far out are you?
[04:17:07] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, not close. This hasn't been easy to write
[04:17:20] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, the time differences + my sleep problems are really wrecking havoc
[04:17:22] <juggs> mrcoolbp, signed up. I feel dirty.
[04:17:32] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I have 30 minutes before I really need to sleep
[04:17:35] * NCommander normally never had issues being in PST and dealing w/ folks on the east coast, but it seems fate hates me
[04:17:41] <mrcoolbp> juggs: welcome to staff = _
[04:17:44] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, let me see how far I can get in there, and you can review what I have then
[04:17:47] <mrcoolbp> k
[04:18:03] <mrcoolbp> juggs: that was supposed to be: welcome to staff = )
[04:18:12] <juggs> I guessed
[04:18:26] * mrcoolbp tries to figure if he can confirm juggs on the mailing list
[04:18:55] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I'm going to write to APK, I'm just not sure what I can write
[04:18:55] <NCommander> ugh
[04:19:08] <NCommander> I swear, handling a live grenade would be safer
[04:19:13] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: waitr
[04:20:01] * juggs moves various SN related stuff from the ## altslashdot ## section of the intricately secured password vault to a new SN one. ~sigh~ change is hard
[04:20:14] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: you got mail
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[04:21:33] <juggs> We need professional diplomats to deal with APK mails I suspect, if his posts are anything to go by. Hi APK if you are lurking here by chance o/
[04:21:52] <mrcoolbp> paulej72, NCommander: anyone remember how to "confirm" someone on the mailing list? xlefay usually would do it
[04:22:01] <keplr> Has he come over from the old site?
[04:22:33] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, not a fucking clue. Our mail system is a blackbox
[04:22:40] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, as a note, got an email from audioguy saying he's completely idle
[04:22:45] <NCommander> WHich is not a good thing :-(
[04:23:06] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: he's just busy
[04:23:16] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, ?
[04:23:21] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, no, he says he has nothing to do
[04:23:44] * BlackHole suggests you ask him to submit some articles :)
[04:24:04] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: he said he was wicked busy with work so I laid off giving him shit to do
[04:24:24] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I'm happy to find more stuff for him to do if he'd like = _
[04:24:39] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, feel free, I'll bounce you the email
[04:24:40] <mrcoolbp> shit, s/= _/= )/
[04:24:48] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: thanks
[04:25:08] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, sent
[04:25:32] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: recvd
[04:26:34] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: WTF that is cryptic
[04:27:16] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: is that all???
[04:27:55] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, yeah
[04:28:40] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: the last few times we chatted he said he was uber-busy, so I'be been trying to leave him alone
[04:29:21] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I'll send him an email
[04:29:35] * mrcoolbp has to finish this staff one first
[04:31:27] * juggs watches the plates spinning on precarious bamboo poles and backs away slowly :D
[04:32:24] <mrcoolbp> juggs: lol, yeah welcome to the cat-hearding crazyness
[04:35:42] <juggs> mrcoolbp, I'll leave you and mattie_p (he's gone quiet of late) to the cat-herding, I need to focus on this irc stuff.
[04:35:56] <mrcoolbp> juggs: yup.
[04:37:58] <mrcoolbp> juggs: cat-hearding, one of my many jobs = )
[04:48:21] * mrcoolbp sends email about SoylentNews PBC board meeting tomorrow
[04:48:45] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I need to get off to bed, I am waking up in 5 hours
[04:48:52] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: ^^^
[04:49:00] <BlackHole> mrcoolbp, goodnight!
[04:49:12] <mrcoolbp> g;night
[04:49:44] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, cya
[04:49:54] <prospectacle> bye mrcoolbp keep up the good work
[04:50:25] <prospectacle> or sleep
[04:50:52] <mrcoolbp> lol, g'night
[04:53:05] * NCommander is slightly concerned we're loosing traffic
[04:53:15] <NCommander> I wish there was a How To Understand Webstats Book
[04:56:00] <mrcoolbp> (NCommander: feel free to post that story, all I ususally find in your posts are typos)
[04:57:46] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, k
[04:57:57] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, really, what bothers me the most is reading comments on pipedot
[04:58:04] * NCommander really shouldn't let it get to me
[04:58:41] <prospectacle> NCommander, I would post more often if my karma decayed, or I could go above 50.
[04:58:49] <prospectacle> as it is I'm afraid of disturbing my score
[04:58:53] <NCommander> prospectacle, yeah ...
[05:00:35] <prospectacle> I know it's dumb. maybe it's common, though
[05:03:22] * NCommander swears
[05:03:36] <NCommander> I'm slightly concerned w/ the drop in user traffic though I know we banned a few spambots
[05:03:37] <NCommander> argh
[05:07:30] <Landon> treat it like your investment account :)
[05:08:18] <arti> :D
[05:08:38] <arti> sounds like a job for some wgets on VPS
[05:08:47] <prospectacle> let's start a department of sock-puppets
[05:08:49] <juggs> NCommander, what are you using for your webstats? Or is it something slash specific?
[05:09:00] <arti> slash has some cool text based charts
[05:09:11] <prospectacle> I'll play the randian, the communist, and the time-travelling victorian mad scientist
[05:09:18] <arti> i'll play the social justice warrior
[05:09:25] * arti picks a female thor avatar
[05:09:33] <prospectacle> that ought to get some outrage traffic going
[05:09:51] <prospectacle> I'll bet that's how most sites get over the initial hump of critical mass
[05:10:02] <prospectacle> the cheating bastards
[05:10:06] <Popeidol> maybe that's it, we're all too interested in posting genuinely interesting material
[05:10:09] <arti> i think we should focus on discussing equal pay
[05:10:17] <Popeidol> what we're missing is some really high-grade trolls
[05:10:24] <arti> they're all running for office
[05:10:26] <ciri> Need more or less people think they're smarter than average compared to perl unicode.
[05:10:33] * arti ponders this
[05:11:36] <NCommander> juggs, piwik
[05:11:51] <prospectacle> a shiny button for whoever gets the most immediate replies to their comment, and... troll
[05:12:01] <arti> i think we should have daily doubles, too
[05:12:21] <arti> how was everyone's day/night
[05:12:48] <NCommander> arti, very bleh
[05:12:52] * arti offers blueberries and scotch for tonights libations and snacks
[05:13:04] <arti> NCommander: stress?
[05:13:09] <NCommander> arti, yeah
[05:13:17] <arti> btw how's the no smoking going?
[05:13:22] <arti> past the omfg cravings?
[05:13:31] <NCommander> arti, I've sometimes get days I can go without
[05:13:35] <NCommander> And then days like today
[05:13:37] <arti> pretty much the only time i have the urge now is if i drink a lot
[05:14:01] <arti> well, on the bright side you're smoking less
[05:14:08] <arti> o/
[05:14:30] <arti> if you can, get some exercise in. it helps
[05:14:49] <arti> maybe then you can fool everyone, just smoke on your jogs :D
[05:15:36] <prospectacle> Fuck it
[05:15:41] * prospectacle goes to destroy some of his good karma
[05:16:22] <pbnjoe> aw, NCommander, don't worry; the people on SN and/or pipedot are extremely picky about user interfaces and other things, don't feel so down :)
[05:16:23] * NCommander is struggling not to burn out
[05:16:39] <NCommander> pbnjoe, well, I noticed site traffic is slumped this week
[05:16:41] <arti> oh, is this what you're battling?
[05:16:44] <NCommander> Not a big slump, but a lot
[05:16:45] <arti> it's a holiday
[05:16:49] <NCommander> it is?
[05:16:56] <arti> well, world cup has been going on
[05:17:09] <arti> and it was the week after the 4th, many people take trips
[05:17:11] <pbnjoe> yeah man, it's the middle of summer; that's like being upset that we'll not have so much traffic around Christmas
[05:17:21] <pbnjoe> well, summer in the northern hemisphere
[05:17:36] <pbnjoe> things'll pick up
[05:18:15] <arti> lol, design my committee it always fun
[05:18:24] * arti deals with this in his day job
[05:18:31] <arti> by...
[05:20:02] * juggs hands NCommander a beer... no actually the beer's better in Berlin,
[05:20:12] <arti> is that where ncommander is atm?
[05:20:17] <juggs> nope
[05:20:21] <pbnjoe> NCommander, from what I'm reading most of the mean comments on that SN article on |. are made by one dude
[05:21:20] <NCommander> arti, I'm in Alaska
[05:21:24] <NCommander> Anchorage to be specific
[05:21:36] <arti> you must get so many frequent flyer miles
[05:21:49] <NCommander> After New Hampshire fell through, I just wanted to go and live somewhere I just loved and wanted to live in
[05:21:54] <NCommander> Hence the Last Frontier
[05:22:05] <NCommander> arti, I have, at times, been United 1k status
[05:22:11] <NCommander> (flown 100,000 miles in a single calendar year)
[05:22:21] <NCommander> I"m going to likely make Premier Executive (50k miles in a year) this year
[05:22:35] * juggs nears the brink of tolerance for the shiny screen on his laptop.... wth hell was so wrong with matte screens that could actually resist some ambient light
[05:22:52] <arti> that's pretty sweet
[05:23:06] <arti> juggs, make it matte yourself :D
[05:23:25] <NCommander> arti, Alaska is amazing
[05:23:26] <NCommander> Seriously
[05:23:31] <NCommander> Nothing like anything in the Lower 48
[05:23:45] <juggs> arti, it'll be permanently matte when I put my boot through it.
[05:23:47] <arti> it's so amazing you get paid to live there
[05:24:06] * arti prefers the man woman ratio of the lower states
[05:24:36] <arti> alaska, like the pacific northwest -- only larger
[05:24:49] <arti> just don't turn into a bear man hermit
[05:24:56] <arti> you're allowed to be a linux hermit
[05:25:01] <arti> but no bears
[05:26:07] <arti> i had a friend of mine go up there with his family, they flew up and then went around in an RV
[05:26:19] <arti> i'm pretty much over 4 season climates
[05:26:28] <arti> had my share of black ice and studded tires
[05:28:24] <NCommander> arti, you need to live here two years to get state money
[05:29:03] <NCommander> But no state income tax, and Anchorage doesn't have sales tax
[05:30:17] <NCommander> Anchorage is really unique city
[05:30:26] <NCommander> Since *everything* going anywhere in Alaska will almost always pass through it
[05:30:38] <NCommander> (the exception is oil, which will leave via Valdez)
[05:30:38] <arti> has an effective program to deal with homeless: winter
[05:30:50] <NCommander> arti, that was an old joke we used to make when I lived in Western New York :-P
[05:30:59] <arti> beats venice or sd
[05:32:05] <juggs> NCommander, are you still associated with Canonical / Ubuntu?
[05:32:47] <NCommander> juggs, I am
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[05:35:08] <juggs> NCommander, I have a hard time keeping track, is Canonical a UK org or incorporated elsewhere (for its ultimate parent). Sometimes these corp structures are infathomable to outsiders.
[05:36:26] <NCommander> juggs, the parent corp is in the UK, in Milbank Tower
[05:36:41] <arti> as you enter, it's like the lobby scene from the matrix
[05:36:43] <NCommander> We have regional offices in the United States (whicH I work for), Canada, PRC, ROC, and a few others
[05:37:04] <arti> and once you're in the lift, it opens up to Eyes Wide Shut style masquerade
[05:37:14] * NCommander visited Taipei 101 to see our office on a vacation
[05:40:13] <juggs> NCommander, Canonical's done many things to get desktop / device linux to "just work" with much success and an equal measure of kick back from many quarters. What is it's goal.. to become another RedHat selling support?
[05:40:30] <NCommander> juggs, Can't say :-/
[05:40:46] * NCommander is NDA'ed, and isn't sure what he can or can't say since I have access to the internal business shit
[05:41:02] <juggs> understood, been there.
[05:43:43] * juggs thinks... shit I still am there.... I'm still NDA'd permanently on some previous stuff... yeh I didn't negotiate that well lol c'est la vie
[05:43:44] <ciri> Though i bet you squish crickets that come in on their tongues, resulting from the barrapunto thread: "301 moved permanently.
[05:44:09] <arti> yeah kinda weird now NDAs can last forever
[05:44:16] * juggs gives ciri a safe place to say
[05:44:31] <juggs> *stay
[05:50:20] <swiss> NDA's kinda suck
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[05:52:08] <NCommander> I've been with Canonical now almost six years
[05:52:21] <NCommander> WHen I joined them, I didn't know anything about negotating on contracts and shit :-/
[05:52:33] <juggs> arti, it just business, nda's can last forever, non-compete employment clauses have been kicked to the kerb pretty much in Europe - e.g. it's bullshit to demand an employee doesn't work in the same area for 2 years if they leave an employer's employ, regardless of reason for termination. What the hell else are they going to do when booted out? NDAs are another thing as it can affect immediate competitive advantage if an employee takes knowledge to
[05:52:33] <juggs> a competitor, but they get indiscriminatley applied to termination settlements etc.
[05:53:01] <NCommander> Its a state v. state thing
[05:53:02] <ciri> Ahhh, there's some server stuff related to the last lase and globel v. State thing. Why did nobody tell me more.
[05:53:02] <NCommander> here
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[06:06:52] <arti> :)
[06:07:00] * arti feels more at ease with half his drink done
[06:07:23] <prospectacle> I have risked my precious perfect karma to add some comments and troll up a storm.
[06:07:31] <arti> prospectacle++
[06:07:31] <Bender> karma - prospectacle: 11
[06:07:43] <arti> you, sir are a scholar and gentleman
[06:07:58] <prospectacle> hooray it was all worth it. IRC karma is the sweetest kind
[06:08:07] <arti> it's right up there with tears
[06:12:21] <juggs> arti, the long and short is, if offered an NDA for terms by a corp, know right away that the initial terms offered are covered in razor wire, kick it right back with outrageous terms of your own. Then negotiate. It's another game.
[06:12:38] * arti understands and agrees
[06:12:48] <arti> i've signed NDAs before
[06:13:03] <arti> i've done consulting, and also discussed jobs with clients before
[06:13:16] <arti> something reasonable like 6 months or a year
[06:13:30] * arti isn't working on super secret stuff
[06:14:40] <prospectacle> What about all that stuff that's so secret you can't tell us if you are working on it?
[06:14:42] <prospectacle> Are you working on that?
[06:14:55] * arti could answer that, but would have to kill you
[06:15:05] <prospectacle> so that's a yes
[06:15:20] <prospectacle> If you'd said yes, it would have been a no, since you were allowed to say yes, so you're clearly not
[06:16:52] * prospectacle should never have gone that "using bad logic for fun and profit" course
[06:16:56] <prospectacle> but it was on special for a limited time!
[06:18:20] <arti> yeah, one from moons ago was for pen and paper games online
[06:20:16] <prospectacle> nice
[06:21:03] <prospectacle> I used to be into those but I went through too many computer as the screens kept getting scratched
[06:23:44] <arti> from ... doodling on them o.o?
[06:25:01] <swiss> i'm semi-NDA'd at work
[06:25:07] <swiss> but it's more informal
[06:25:26] <arti> gentlemen's agreement?
[06:26:35] <prospectacle> yeah, and it never saved my games either. If you ask me pen and paper games were better before computers.
[06:27:37] <arti> plenty of cool pen and paper games have come out since the computer entered the scene :P
[06:27:49] <prospectacle> Thanks to one of the other guys at work I got my non-compete down from 6 months to... 6 months (but they have to pay me for three of them). Could have been worse.
[06:28:21] <prospectacle> arti yeah I agree I was just being dumb, drawing on my screen to play pen-and-paper games online, etc.
[06:28:42] <prospectacle> a bit of absurdist theatre to pass the time
[06:28:58] <arti> better than autist theatre
[06:29:51] <prospectacle> i
[06:30:38] <prospectacle> .. suppose.
[06:31:05] * prospectacle wasn't being dramatic, just hit enter too soon
[06:31:31] <arti> mission accomplished
[06:36:14] * arti is fiddling with getting a month view calendar working
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[06:40:33] <prospectacle> in what language?
[06:44:09] <swiss> arti: i think i'm nda'd with jobstuff, because large corporation
[06:44:28] <arti> js
[06:44:44] <swiss> but i've discussed what i can talk about to senior levels of management, and the general rule is "Don't do anything that could cause a security incident, and we're cool"
[06:44:44] <arti> found something cool, going to try it, failing that i could write something in php
[06:45:06] <arti> swiss: you should be like "you mean like uh.... *shares screen* this?"
[06:45:16] <swiss> lol
[06:45:49] <swiss> i am probably 1 of less than 100 people in the enterprise who even would have the capability of sharing his screen outside of our internal network
[06:46:24] <arti> lock down chrome too?
[06:46:28] <swiss> they trust me a lot
[06:46:40] <swiss> i'm one of 25 people in the enterprise allowed to USE chrome
[06:46:43] <swiss> lol
[06:46:47] <swiss> and it's an internal build
[06:47:12] <arti> "yeah, we set it up so all the console messages hit our logging server"
[06:47:45] <arti> "i whipped up a neat script that correlates dns lookups to browsing sessions"
[06:49:59] <swiss> lol
[06:50:24] <arti> you can be like a snowden
[06:50:58] <swiss> but i don't want to be a traitor!
[06:51:09] <swiss> lol
[06:51:40] <arti> okay, fine, you can be a sheep
[06:52:42] <prospectacle> can I be a sheep too?
[06:52:53] <swiss> i feel that he's been overglorified, but I don't 100% disagree with his actions
[06:53:44] <swiss> I believe he should have done disclosure directly to congress (and there are ways to do that) prior to worldwide disclosure
[06:54:14] <arti> congress gets stuff done man
[06:54:20] <arti> i can see why you'd trust them
[06:54:21] <swiss> I believe that a bit of ego went into that, and caused him to compromise national security that didn't *need* to be compromised
[06:54:58] <swiss> certain people in congress have now taken actions because of his disclosures, causing an audit on the powers the NSA was using
[06:54:58] <arti> if this guy had access how many moles did too?
[06:55:13] <swiss> Does that excuse him in any way?
[06:55:25] <swiss> "Billy told her first, so it was okay I yelled it out over the PA system"
[06:55:48] <arti> why are you looking at the messenger instead of the ones who actually did the dirty deed?
[06:56:07] <swiss> The messenger was not simply a messenger
[06:56:33] <swiss> his message was needed for a specific group of people, and classified excluding plenty of others
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[06:57:19] <arti> classified is a load of garbage too, its primary purpose seems to be to hide stuff
[06:57:32] <swiss> he spread information that compromised national security needlessly. He did not have to disclose to the group he did.
[06:57:54] <arti> previous whistleblowers were treated fairly
[06:57:58] <swiss> That's your opinion, but every nation has secrets. Exposing the secrets of your own nation for "moral standing" is still being a traitor to that nation.
[06:58:30] <swiss> You chose to be a traitor to the nation, believing your morals are more important than what that nation deemed important.
[06:58:53] <arti> laws don't dictate morality
[06:59:06] <swiss> Whether he was a good man, deciding to be a traitor to the US government, is a different question.
[06:59:22] <swiss> but I don't see much wiggle room in deciding whether or not he was a traitor.
[07:00:00] <arti> i'm all for that, as long as all the traitors who put that crap in to play are first in line
[07:00:18] <swiss> In my opinion, he did not follow the general rules of responsible disclosure
[07:00:24] <NCommander> I hate updating addresses
[07:00:34] <swiss> and because of that, I don't really respect him.
[07:00:36] * NCommander needs to get a couple pieces of post with his Anchroage address on it
[07:00:41] <arti> swiss, responsible disclosure is also shit
[07:00:57] <arti> it's an excellent way to get a target on your back
[07:01:22] <swiss> no, it isn't. If a vulnerability is announced to the community as a whole before it is patched on the product, you are left with a variety of vulnerable applications every script kiddie will try to exploit
[07:01:29] <swiss> big example: Heartbleed
[07:01:30] <ciri> Found a real world example of my shells outside the city for a second round.
[07:01:47] <arti> swiss, how do you know it wasn't exploited prior to that?
[07:02:17] <swiss> It could have been. But there's a difference between a couple people seeing the backdoor, and announcing "HEY EVERYONE, HERE IS A MAP TO THE BACKDOOR"
[07:02:36] <arti> well assuming some guy would be a loud mouth with it
[07:02:49] <swiss> that's what responsible disclosure is
[07:02:55] <swiss> not being a loud mouth with it
[07:03:02] <arti> no
[07:03:07] <arti> you assume some binary state
[07:03:09] <swiss> of course, part of responsible disclosure is giving them a reasonable amount of time to fix it. It doesn't mean never telling anyone else.
[07:03:14] <arti> either you disclose it or you blab it
[07:03:25] <arti> how about, you use it yourself and/or sell it
[07:03:52] <arti> i respect that you've got a security hard on
[07:03:55] <swiss> responshttp://en.wikipedia.org
[07:04:09] <arti> the world is plenty of shades of grey with many people doing what is right in their mind
[07:04:58] <swiss> and I hate to see people glorified for compromising national security when they could have done it in a much more controlled fashion
[07:05:24] <arti> should've, would've, could've
[07:05:49] <swiss> yet a good portion of the population not only glorifies him for it, but encourages more people to do it.
[07:05:55] <arti> according to who?
[07:05:55] <prospectacle> betraying a rotten government is not betraying its nation
[07:06:04] <arti> where are you getting this? friends? news?
[07:06:19] <swiss> Reddit, general opinion in conferences I've attended
[07:06:39] <arti> the same news that doesn't really criticize the president?
[07:06:44] <arti> reddit is a very biased source
[07:06:53] <arti> "yeah i get my politics from fark.com"
[07:07:05] <swiss> reddit is biased, yes, but there's still a good number of people with that opinion on reddit
[07:07:21] <swiss> and whether or not they're intelligent, the numbers are there
[07:07:21] <arti> "people" you mean the site that began by creating sock puppets?
[07:07:27] <swiss> lol
[07:07:37] <arti> the same site with moderation system where things can be endlessly upvoted?
[07:07:40] <swiss> how many people in this channel are anti-snowden?
[07:07:50] <arti> he's not some personal hero
[07:08:15] <arti> i'm not insulted or otherwise, the guy exposed a massive amount of shit, stuff we've only really heard a little bit of
[07:08:38] <arti> someone who i think is overrated is aaron schwarz
[07:08:45] <swiss> i 100% agree with that as well
[07:11:28] <swiss> I nearly called lawrance lessig out during his talk for using aaron schwartzes memory to try to get followeres
[07:11:31] <swiss> followers
[07:13:03] <arti> "didn't phase me, bro"
[07:13:28] <prospectacle> "Don't phase me, bro" would be a good t shirt
[07:15:56] <arti> he comes
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[07:16:03] <arti> g'day crutchy
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[07:16:21] <crutchy> g'day arti
[07:16:21] <arti> swiss was just telling us about how much the down under sucks
[07:16:31] <swiss> down under?
[07:16:34] <swiss> i'm not australia
[07:16:53] <arti> i'm not as think as you drunk i am.
[07:16:54] <swiss> though it's full of children of ex-con's, can't imagine it *not* sucking
[07:16:58] <crutchy> my wife doesn't let me go down under :-/
[07:17:19] <arti> i've got nothing to say to that
[07:17:23] <crutchy> hmm still no foobarbazbot/sedbot?
[07:17:23] <arti> kudos
[07:17:28] <arti> we scared him off
[07:17:37] <crutchy> ~sed on
[07:17:37] <exec> sed enabled for 8#Soylent
[07:17:48] <swiss> i have to stay awake for 2 more hours, keeping an eye open for incidents at work
[07:17:52] <swiss> blech
[07:17:52] <arti> s/ass/off/
[07:18:01] <crutchy> synergy++ installed at work today. works fkin awesome
[07:18:02] <Bender> karma - synergy: 1
[07:18:17] <arti> that's cool :D
[07:18:29] <swiss> crutchy: there was one bug that made me stop though....
[07:18:39] <arti> it's name: snowden
[07:18:43] <arti> its*
[07:18:56] <swiss> occasionally my linux box (client) would blip and the server box (windows) would have the mouse and keyboard on the linux side
[07:19:06] <crutchy> you still need a kb to reboot, login and restart synergy?
[07:19:19] <crutchy> oh
[07:19:24] <swiss> and the linux side would stop recieving the mouse and keyboard, but the windows side would always think it's on the linux side
[07:19:38] <arti> windows gets confused, story at 11 :P
[07:19:50] <swiss> arti: windows synergy master worked better than linux
[07:19:59] <crutchy> even when you unplug the lan cable :-P
[07:20:04] <swiss> so basically I'd have no control until I did a ctrl+alt+del, waited for synergy to force quit, then cancelled the reboot
[07:20:06] <arti> unpossible, filthy closed source os, murricans
[07:20:16] <swiss> crutchy: yeah, it would just fully stop workin
[07:20:25] <arti> maybe it works union hours
[07:20:28] <swiss> was total dicks
[07:20:35] <swiss> i wonder if they fixed that bug though
[07:20:49] <arti> maybe you can responsibly disclose it?
[07:21:03] <crutchy> to the NSA
[07:21:19] <arti> nah, they already know, it's a good time to own a typewriter company
[07:21:34] <crutchy> then they can control peoples mices from their base on the dark side of the moon
[07:21:36] <arti> all your pipes are belong to us
[07:21:45] <crutchy> hide your cheese
[07:21:54] <arti> hide yo kids, hide yo wife~
[07:21:55] <ciri> So java is "the" as "my wife".
[07:22:06] <arti> that's some profound shit right there
[07:22:09] <crutchy> oh wait it was zi germans on the backside of the moon. that's why the moon always stinks so much
[07:22:33] <swiss> i want a base on the dark side of the moon
[07:22:44] <arti> you should do a Lunarshock
[07:22:47] <swiss> i bet it isn't hot as hell, llike it's been getting recently
[07:22:59] <arti> like bioshock, but on the moon. just do the same stuff, but with black and white and adjust the gravity
[07:23:00] <arti> boom
[07:23:16] <crutchy> interplanetary warming... there's like science and stuff to prove it everywhere, like ya know
[07:23:37] <arti> i think politics in science is excellent
[07:23:51] <arti> let's take a vote on if shit is right
[07:23:57] <crutchy> brainwashingly edumucational
[07:24:06] <arti> 4 out of 5 scientists polled agree!
[07:24:24] <arti> #2and2is5 is trending
[07:24:26] <crutchy> the 5th one was just some dickhead named einstein
[07:24:37] <arti> he didn't actually have a dickhead, he was jewish
[07:24:54] <arti> i guess it's more of a hat
[07:25:09] <arti> my work here is done.
[07:25:19] <crutchy> insert money here
[07:25:39] * arti stuffs it into crutchy's ass crack
[07:25:59] <prospectacle> I don't know who voted for these scientists anyway, lets put our elected representatives in charge of telling us what's true
[07:26:06] <arti> amen!
[07:26:28] <arti> btw, what's your take on the pope?
[07:26:50] <arti> love how this immigration crap has the pope weighing in
[07:26:56] <crutchy> scientists are morons. vote for the popular jocks that fuck the daughters of wealthy nerds instead!
[07:26:57] <prospectacle> well if he wasn't infallible, how could he convince so many people he was?
[07:27:27] <arti> crutchy, it's all about creating a review ring, or just starting up your own publication
[07:28:00] <arti> none of us is as dumb as all of us!
[07:28:09] <crutchy> arti: s/*/it's all about lying, cheating and sniffing the right asses
[07:28:18] <arti> welcome to the office
[07:28:43] <crutchy> arti: s/office/orifice/
[07:28:43] <exec> <crutchy> <arti> welcome to the orifice
[07:28:54] <prospectacle> We should invent a country, and each write a few articles, web pages etc about how good it is. Submit press release, sneak it into wiki articles, etc.
[07:29:03] <prospectacle> Soon it will be on the news and that means you can cite it for a wikipedia article of its own
[07:29:15] <crutchy> and patent the idea of creating a country
[07:29:16] <prospectacle> that will show people
[07:29:38] <crutchy> and put a copyright on constitutions
[07:29:46] <prospectacle> I propose it's in a disputed territory of antarctica, it's made up of rogue scientists who built a (until recently) secret utopia
[07:29:47] <arti> maybe a faux news site, "the bunion"
[07:30:14] <arti> the currency is the dong
[07:30:24] <arti> "i'll buy that for two and a half dongs"
[07:30:26] <crutchy> it's not disputed... australia owns it mwahahahaha!!!!
[07:30:43] <prospectacle> The scary thing was if someone has done this already (About a company, a person, a product) we might never know it was fictional
[07:30:49] <crutchy> i'll show you my dong if you show me yours
[07:30:57] <prospectacle> maybe switzerland is just a metaphor
[07:30:57] <arti> look, dongs are touching
[07:31:28] <prospectacle> gotta go. have fun everyone
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[07:31:37] <crutchy> see y...
[07:31:45] <arti> i've had days like that
[07:32:21] <crutchy> hmm is prospectacle connected through an SN server?
[07:32:44] <arti> not sure, see what voting the right way accomplishes
[08:07:06] <crutchy> ~weather hell
[08:07:09] <exec> Weather for Washington, DC US at 2014-07-16 01:28:00 (UTC) ~ 6.7 hrs ago:
[08:07:09] <exec> temperature = 71°F (21.7°C) dewpoint = 64.2°F (17.9°C)
[08:07:10] <exec> barometric pressure = 1009.6 mb ~ change of 0 mb over past 0.7 hrs relative humdity = 79%
[08:07:10] <exec> wind speed = (no data) wind direction = (no data)
[08:18:41] * arti gives up on the calendar for this evening
[08:18:51] <arti> going to read a bit and start the codez all over again
[08:19:00] <arti> watch your glowballz
[08:22:30] <crutchy> k. cya
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[08:51:01] <prospectacle> busy night
[09:00:04] <crutchy> usual mahem and madness
[09:01:22] <prospectacle> how much ⌛ does it take to ☸ a ✈
[09:01:55] <prospectacle> ⛽
[09:02:09] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[09:02:09] <monopoly> ^ 03Gir Running Like A Maniac (I'm Naked) - YouTube
[09:03:58] <crutchy> hmm that sounds like a riddley riddle alright... how much 231B does it take to bumhole an aeroplane...
[09:04:11] <prospectacle> lol
[09:04:49] * crutchy would like to phone a friend
[09:04:54] <prospectacle> what did the ❦ say to the ❧ ?
[09:05:16] <crutchy> what did the dot say to the blob?
[09:05:25] <prospectacle> ☙
[09:05:38] <prospectacle> are they not showing up properly?
[09:06:03] <crutchy> they're prolly just not very monofont friendly
[09:08:18] <prospectacle> hmm
[09:09:04] <prospectacle> http://logs.sylnt.us
[09:09:05] <monopoly> ^ 03#Soylent | Logs for 2014-07-16
[09:21:34] <prospectacle> There once was a ⛁ from ⛅
[09:22:15] <crutchy> there once was a pile of pancakes from 26C5?
[09:22:22] <crutchy> that must be a borg sector
[09:22:35] <prospectacle> who had a big ⚶ in its ⛲
[09:22:54] <crutchy> now now this is supposed to be a family-friendly channel :-P
[09:23:55] <prospectacle> it tried for a ♾ fell through a ☬
[09:24:27] <prospectacle> and ended its night in the ☊
[09:24:36] <prospectacle> unicode limericks
[09:24:37] <ciri> That should fix unicode for dev.sn | funky unicode testing of the buffer (good chorus idea right there.
[09:25:35] <crutchy> hmm. "funky unicode testing of the buffer" must be a dubstep track or something
[09:27:40] * crutchy is turning into an old fart
[09:28:15] <crutchy> s/y is turning/y's kids are turning him/
[09:29:14] <crutchy> s/y/w/g
[09:29:14] <exec> <crutchy> s/w is turning/w's kids are turning him/
[09:29:26] <crutchy> ¿
[09:30:05] * crutchy is bleh
[09:30:11] <crutchy> s/bleh/blah/
[09:30:12] <exec> <crutchy> is blah
[09:30:26] <chromas> extra space
[09:30:34] <crutchy> oh
[09:30:38] <crutchy> yeah
[09:30:45] <chromas> Try again :)
[09:30:53] * crutchy gives self a lobottomer
[09:31:08] <prospectacle> crutchy: s/mer/mation/
[09:31:08] <exec> <prospectacle> <crutchy> gives self a lobottomation
[09:31:12] <prospectacle> ftfy
[09:34:05] <prospectacle> exec: s/tion/zation/
[09:34:05] <exec> <prospectacle> <exec> <prospectacle> <crutchy> gives self a lobottomazation
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[09:34:41] <prospectacle> exec: s/<prospectacle> <exec> <prospectacle> <crutchy>/⛄/
[09:34:42] <exec> <prospectacle> <exec> ⛄ gives self a lobottomazation
[09:36:08] <prospectacle> What do you call an alligator in a vest?
[09:36:30] <prospectacle> An Investigator
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[09:41:00] <crutchy> ~define Soylent
[09:41:01] <exec> [soylent] Soylent: fuck beta!
[09:41:14] <chromas> (fuck beta)++
[09:41:14] <Bender> karma - (fuck beta): 1
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[09:41:53] <prospectacle> (fuck beta)++
[09:41:53] <Bender> karma - (fuck beta): 2
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[10:11:37] <prospectacle> wb
[10:12:04] <prospectacle> what are some real life skills one could learn/teach with a computer game
[10:12:07] <prospectacle> typing, obviously
[10:12:27] <prospectacle> maybe memorising facts if those facts were in some way useful to memorise
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[10:28:19] <xlefay> Good morning.
[10:28:25] * chromas rubs eyes again
[10:28:59] <crutchy> hi xlefay :-)
[10:29:10] <xlefay> Hi crutchy, it's been a while!
[10:29:21] <xlefay> chromas, =)
[10:29:27] <prospectacle> hi xlefay
[10:29:27] <crutchy> yeah. how you goin man?
[10:29:40] <xlefay> prospectacle, haha, it's really good to see you guys are still here
[10:29:44] <chromas> xlefay: if your znc holds enough scrollback, you've got about fifty thousand highlights
[10:29:56] <crutchy> did that broken switch belt the crap out of you or something?
[10:30:05] <crutchy> :-
[10:30:07] <crutchy> P
[10:30:13] <xlefay> chromas, unfortunately, it doesn't.. I don't suppose someone has a log to grep?
[10:30:20] <chromas> Loggie:
[10:30:34] <chromas> We were talking all kinds of shit about you
[10:30:43] <xlefay> crutchy, nah. Personal issues that are still ongoing but boring really
[10:30:47] <crutchy> i think loggie was xlefay's puppy dog to begin with
[10:30:58] <xlefay> yeah, I wasn't sure they moved loggie over
[10:30:58] <crutchy> oh that's ok. welcome back!
[10:31:08] <crutchy> xlefay++
[10:31:08] <Bender> karma - xlefay: 56
[10:31:23] <chromas> They moved EVERYTHING—including your personal pr0nz stash and private keys
[10:31:41] <chromas> or at least the bots
[10:32:01] <xlefay> Oh shit, they found the .do-not-look-here/porn folder?
[10:32:11] <chromas> They were trying to learn the services, too
[10:32:11] <crutchy> oh yeah. it was dirty
[10:32:19] <crutchy> you are a bad man
[10:32:31] <xlefay> Thanks crutchy, I won't be as present as I've been before, but I'll be around more than the last 2 months lol
[10:32:34] <chromas> it was totally dirty; the server powered off before syncing the file to disk
[10:32:40] <xlefay> damnit, it always does that
[10:32:54] <chromas> So you'll be here about as often as kobach?
[10:33:33] <xlefay> I'm not sure how often Kobach is here.. ha
[10:33:36] <crutchy> yeah without you here i look like the trollingest troll in the stats
[10:33:43] <xlefay> !stats
[10:33:43] <Bender> creating stats for channel #Soylent (Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970)
[10:33:52] <chromas> what
[10:33:55] <xlefay> .voice
[10:33:55] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v xlefay] by juggler
[10:33:57] <crutchy> hahahaa
[10:33:58] <xlefay> ah, that still works
[10:33:59] <chromas> Is it 1970 already?
[10:34:02] <Bender> stat results for #Soylent: crutchy: 25623, xlefay: 11608, arti: 10912, unknown: 10532, MrBluze: 9593, NCommander: 7918, kobach: 7109, TheMightyBuzzard: 6231, chromas: 5918, prospectacle: 5602, michealpwalls: 5386, Bytram: 3731, Subsentient: 3391, Konomi: 3023, mrcoolbp: 3011, SpallsHurgenson: 2975, n1: 2951, Blackmoore: 2923, paulej72: 2885, hax0rz: 2675, Bender: 2654, Landon: 2645, mattie_p: 2466, stderr: 2409, exec: 2386, Ethanol-fueled: 23
[10:34:05] <crutchy> oh crap
[10:34:29] <chromas> It's okay; half of them are in irpg and get pinged all the time
[10:34:38] <chromas> unless they mute that channel
[10:34:42] <xlefay> chromas, yeah, just don't tell anyone k?
[10:35:10] <xlefay> So how have you guys been?
[10:35:20] <monopoly> xlefay++
[10:35:20] <Bender> karma - xlefay: 57
[10:35:25] <crutchy> same ol same ol
[10:35:33] <crutchy> lots of globals
[10:35:38] <crutchy> :-D
[10:35:58] <xlefay> crutchy++ haha, dem globals' ;-)
[10:35:58] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 78
[10:35:59] <ciri> ~Weather ~weather-add crutchy melbourne.
[10:36:02] <exec> Weather for "~weather-add crutchy melbourne." not found. Check spelling or try another nearby location.
[10:36:12] <crutchy> lol
[10:36:28] <xlefay> monopoly = bot huh, what does it do besides stalking #natalie_portman?
[10:36:34] <crutchy> is that the first time ciri has successfully triggered exec?
[10:36:45] <chromas> page titles
[10:37:11] <xlefay> Page titles as in, you drop a link and it goes off fetching the title?
[10:37:16] <chromas> yeah
[10:37:27] <crutchy> exec just takes a dump on itself occasionally. i think it was meant to be entertaining. now it just stinks
[10:37:40] <chromas> had summaries but I turned them off because people said they're ugly and should be violently murdered
[10:37:46] <crutchy> sublight++
[10:37:46] <Bender> karma - sublight: 2
[10:38:09] <chromas> sublight++ /me wants to see moar
[10:38:09] <Bender> karma - sublight: 3
[10:38:12] <crutchy> what's the ip address of your new server dude?
[10:38:35] <chromas> http://raphaelhertzog.com
[10:38:36] <monopoly> ^ 03Spotify migrate 5000 servers from Debian to Ubuntu
[10:38:41] <xlefay> http://xlefay.nl
[10:38:42] <monopoly> ^ 03~weather
[10:38:45] <xlefay> ah dammit
[10:38:50] <chromas> I thought Debian was LTS by default
[10:39:24] <chromas> Was it a test? I don't see any newlines in the title
[10:39:28] <xlefay> crutchy, IRC is now running @ SN itself =)
[10:39:42] <xlefay> I didn't try any new lines hah, just wanted to test it x'D
[10:40:46] <xlefay> Sublight's development has been paused tho :< I'm thinking, it should probably be re-written in Python or something, thoughts?
[10:41:04] * crutchy barfs
[10:41:08] <chromas> perl
[10:41:10] <chromas> of course
[10:41:11] <crutchy> python!?
[10:41:16] <xlefay> Perl?! LOL
[10:41:23] <crutchy> vba of course
[10:41:24] <chromas> Pascal++
[10:41:25] <Bender> karma - pascal: 10
[10:41:28] <xlefay> Damn, I say, we take Slashcode's IRC bot as it's base?
[10:41:39] * NCommander licks xlefay
[10:41:55] <crutchy> eeewww.... whiskers
[10:42:03] <xlefay> Wait, yo tongue is wet!
[10:42:52] <xlefay> NCommander, how ya doing?
[10:42:54] <crutchy> i been spying on your bitbucket occasionally. i couldn't find the server-server stuff
[10:43:19] <xlefay> crutchy, yeah, I've not been using the computer excessively lately. Believe it or not, the past few months I've used the computer very moderately, and limited.
[10:43:38] <crutchy> NCommander has turned into a penguin
[10:43:48] <crutchy> hmm do they have penguins in alaska?
[10:43:50] <xlefay> Needless to say, my porn collection needs serious updating
[10:44:01] <crutchy> nothing wrong with retro porn
[10:44:23] <crutchy> mullets++
[10:44:23] <Bender> karma - mullets: 1
[10:44:27] <NCommander> xlefay, getting into cycling
[10:44:36] <NCommander> crutchy, south pole :-P
[10:44:53] <NCommander> xlefay, Anchorage has a *ton* of bike trails, and I recently bought a bike so ...
[10:45:15] <crutchy> ~weather NCommander
[10:45:23] <NCommander> Figure I still have 2-3 months before the snow comes dumping down
[10:45:33] <xlefay> NCommander, cycling's pretty neat, it's somewhat liberating at times
[10:45:43] <chromas> Riding through snow == exercise
[10:46:09] <xlefay> no dependency on public transportation, or limited to a car, etc.. pretty much, free to go anywhere within reason. How are you liking it so far?
[10:46:14] <xlefay> !weather xlefay
[10:46:20] <xlefay> ~weather xlefay
[10:46:51] <crutchy> :-/
[10:46:55] <crutchy> ~restart
[10:46:56] <NCommander> xlefay, quite a bit. Added bonus is every bus in anchorage has bus racks
[10:46:57] <kobach> y no weather
[10:47:02] <NCommander> So if I just don't want to ride in either direction
[10:47:04] <NCommander> No problem :-)
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[10:47:14] <xlefay> haha, that's cool
[10:47:19] <xlefay> crutchy, it no remember me?!
[10:47:35] <chromas> It knows you're kobach in disguise
[10:47:42] <crutchy> lol
[10:47:42] <kobach> rofl
[10:47:42] <xlefay> Gone for a few months, and the bots are already forgetting me... :(
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[10:47:59] <crutchy> ~weather hell
[10:48:06] <kobach> ~weather ksus
[10:48:10] <xlefay> I always have a laugh at the "ausiebb"
[10:48:13] <NCommander> xlefay, I dropped more than I care to admit on a mountian bike to get started
[10:48:20] <exec> process timed out: hell
[10:48:21] <NCommander> I'd be swearing if I had something that was single gear
[10:48:28] <crutchy> hmm
[10:48:42] <kobach> NCommander: no shame in spending a few grand on a good bike
[10:48:46] <xlefay> NCommander, as long as it's worth it right? :)
[10:48:49] <prospectacle> xlefay, I had to recreate my irc account after being away for 6 weeks or so
[10:49:07] <NCommander> kobach, not that much
[10:49:12] <kobach> rofl
[10:49:16] <NCommander> $600, + another 70 for a rack
[10:49:25] <kobach> oh lol
[10:49:25] <chromas> A good rack is hard to find
[10:49:31] <prospectacle> xlefay, although you appear to be signed in still, so nevermind
[10:49:44] -!- exec has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[10:49:56] <xlefay> prospectacle, correct. The expiry is still at 30 days or so. I considered raising it in the past, but there never seemed to be a good reason. Most people, simply announce theirselfs as away for a while, so we could hold their nicknames.
[10:49:57] <crutchy> i've done something to bork it
[10:49:58] <ciri> Used to it, i have to stay up then they'd have to "is people!".
[10:50:24] <xlefay> prospectacle, in addition, my nickname is set to hold, meaning, it won't expire. I think we should raise the expiry time to a few months or so?
[10:51:00] <kobach> 16.05:50:44 Ignoring ALL from ciri
[10:51:45] <prospectacle> xlefay, that's ok then. Was thinking that might be why the bots had forgotten you. Yeah I guess a few months would be good. Although once single-sign-on works it will be less of a deal.
[10:52:03] <kobach> oh boy theyre at it again
[10:52:16] <xlefay> Yeah, single sign in stuff already discussed? // cc: NCommander
[10:52:19] <prospectacle> anyway, have a nice cup of tea ☕
[10:52:20] <xlefay> I'm excited to hear that
[10:52:43] <xlefay> I only drink water nowadays
[10:52:53] <kobach> good man
[10:52:54] <prospectacle> oh, hang on...
[10:53:01] * kobach cheers a glass with xlefay
[10:53:13] <prospectacle> Here you go, a nice steaming cup of water: ☕
[10:53:22] * xlefay cheers along *cough, I hate water, cough*
[10:53:35] <NCommander> xlefay, indeed
[10:53:37] <xlefay> I hate the taste tho, I'm looking into things to make it taste better
[10:53:41] * crutchy offers xlefay some (slightly caffinated) water
[10:53:46] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:53:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 373
[10:53:46] <xlefay> any thoughts? (non sugarly stuff)
[10:53:56] <kobach> no clue whats available in .nl
[10:53:58] <kobach> so no
[10:54:10] <crutchy> kobach: hot chicks
[10:54:30] <kobach> xlefay: http://storelocator.nuun.com
[10:54:31] <prospectacle> honey and lemon
[10:54:31] <xlefay> crutchy, yeah, but I don't think they'll be so great in my drinking water x'D
[10:54:31] <monopoly> ^ 03Nuun Store Locator
[10:54:33] <prospectacle> yum
[10:54:47] <xlefay> NCommander, do tell :)
[10:54:58] <prospectacle> oh wait honey is full of sugar
[10:56:35] <NCommander> xlefay, basically coding an openid provider frontend to slash
[10:56:42] <NCommander> openid w/ good client coding makes nice SSO
[10:57:07] <xlefay> NCommander, I like that. I recall, we also discussed the LDAP possibility, we're not running with that?
[10:58:11] <NCommander> xlefay, SSO for what exactly?
[10:58:22] <xlefay> For IRC services?
[10:59:10] <xlefay> We discussed that possibility because the IRC services has an LDAP module
[11:00:01] <xlefay> crutchy, I'm considering just putting Sublight on Github, but honestly, I'm afraid the pro's amongst us will just tear it apart x'D
[11:00:33] <chromas> what pros?
[11:00:44] <crutchy> maybe just put a link to exec's github... that will make it look infinitely more awesome :-D
[11:00:44] * chromas snarks
[11:00:51] * xlefay looks around at that 54 people here :P
[11:01:04] <crutchy> exec's code is err.... obfuscated :-P
[11:01:15] <xlefay> Essentially, the biggest mistake I've made with Sublight was writing it in PHP, it was initially meant as a prototype, to see how far I'd come with the general idea.
[11:01:46] <crutchy> time for a rewrite in c?
[11:02:06] <chromas> crutchy: s/c/pascal/
[11:02:06] <xlefay> If I'd know C, sure. I haven't had the time to read the e-books people gave me :'(
[11:02:43] <xlefay> I was considering Python really.
[11:02:50] <crutchy> the process control that we were yacking about is a bit more refined in exec
[11:03:26] <xlefay> Essentially, Sublight connects as the IRC services does, and thus is capable of spawning services bots without multiple connections. Quite an interesting approach I thought.
[11:03:38] <xlefay> NCommander, I'm gathering, the SSO for IRC wasn't really discussed then?
[11:06:21] <xlefay> crutchy, link to the latest & greatest exec?
[11:06:31] <crutchy> ~
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[11:06:53] <crutchy> ~
[11:06:54] <exec> IRC SCRIPT EXECUTIVE
[11:06:54] <exec> https://github.com
[11:06:55] <exec> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[11:07:10] <xlefay> I think I'll just githubify Sublight and see who's interested in working w/ me on a rewrite into a proper language
[11:07:24] <crutchy> sounds like a plan :-)
[11:07:46] <crutchy> i can try bumbling my way through python
[11:08:09] <crutchy> it doesn't look as torturous as perl
[11:08:40] <xlefay> I was thinking about with Python using Twisted
[11:09:02] <xlefay> ( https://twistedmatrix.com )
[11:09:05] <monopoly> ^ 03Twisted
[11:09:06] <crutchy> i've seen stuff like that in the debian repositories. dunno anything about it though
[11:09:08] <crutchy> ah
[11:09:09] <xlefay> but I do have time constraints nowadays :'(
[11:09:10] <crutchy> :-)
[11:09:55] <xlefay> I like how you organized exec hehe
[11:10:21] <crutchy> as long as you swing by here occasionally to beat some sense into me :-D
[11:10:31] <xlefay> medical induced time constraints though.. I'm pretty much free till february or so.
[11:10:53] <crutchy> dunno anything about what happened, but i figured it was medical
[11:10:59] <xlefay> I'll try to step by every day, but I can't guarantee anything, gotta make a good schedule for myself.
[11:11:46] <juggler> crotchy
[11:11:52] <crutchy> wish you all the best with that side of things. my missus is going through some pain management with her back atm. medical things can make life tough
[11:12:01] <xlefay> Yeah, my life took a few weird turns
[11:12:29] <xlefay> Thanks, I appreciate it. Did your wife get the treatment she needed? Or just the pain management?
[11:12:43] <crutchy> at one point i though maybe you had been abducted by aliens
[11:12:51] <kobach> LOL
[11:13:14] <crutchy> we still playing the waiting game. unfortunately it's not a very fun game and there's no opt out
[11:13:50] <xlefay> I see, wasn't she scheduled in a few months or so?
[11:14:35] <crutchy> things have happened, but every step has more waiting
[11:15:03] <xlefay> Auch, that really sucks. I suppose, on the bright side however, things aren't standing still entirely
[11:15:14] <crutchy> just the way healthcare works here. if you're not private you wait, but you pay less. if you're private you get in quicker but you pay through the nose
[11:15:42] <xlefay> So long as things still move forward, even with waiting periods, there's hope :)
[11:15:53] <crutchy> in hindsight i wish i had private healthcare, but it wouldn't help now anyway
[11:16:00] <prospectacle> is health care system good in netherlands?
[11:16:01] <ciri> Sounds like we're implementing kind of health impact has it running its own encode and decode system so it is.
[11:16:10] <xlefay> Guess that doesn't really help that much right now, but at least, things are happening
[11:16:33] * prospectacle wonders if he remembers the country right
[11:16:37] <crutchy> australia's healthcare system isn't the worst in the world. we have a really awesome gp
[11:16:43] <xlefay> prospectacle, it can be quite, but unfortunately, there's a lot more red tape nowadays due to budget constraints.
[11:16:57] <crutchy> ooh i have the exact location somewhere :-P
[11:17:17] <prospectacle> xlefay, tape is dumb
[11:17:19] * crutchy has been trying to hijack an NSA spy satellite to look for xlefay
[11:17:29] <xlefay> For instance, since I'm currently unable to work and such, getting financial support from my gov't was quite a challenge (I do have it now, I was on the verge of living on the street though, so that wasn't great).
[11:17:41] <prospectacle> our PM wants to put a surcharge on going to the doctor, which of course will put poor people off getting preventative care
[11:17:49] <xlefay> crutchy, haha, I'm sure, they wouldn't have minded!
[11:18:16] <crutchy> we even sent mrbluze over there to look for you
[11:19:00] <crutchy> he was in amsterdam for a couple of days
[11:19:16] <prospectacle> xlefay, glad to hear you dodged that bullet at least. Once the subscriptions start rolling in for SN you can live it up on a *volunteer's* salary
[11:19:47] <xlefay> prospectacle, auch. There's one oddity on health care here. Insurance is mandatory and required here, and we've got quite a few health insurance, but if you can't pay your insurance bills for 3 months straight, you'll get unsubscribed and subscribed to a gov't like health insurance, which is of course, more expensive. So that's odd. (I wasn't there yet though, but I was close)
[11:20:07] <prospectacle> weird
[11:20:17] <prospectacle> every country seems to have weird healthcare.
[11:20:59] <crutchy> my parents came to visit you too... dad said he swears he didn't try out the green lollipops :-P
[11:21:08] <prospectacle> we've got a government healtchare (medicare) which you pay for as a tax surcharge, and a bunch of private health insurance companies, but, here's the kicker: The private companies aren't allowed to pay for doctors/surgeons/etc
[11:21:30] <xlefay> crutchy, how's mrbluze?
[11:21:46] <crutchy> unfortunately he threw in the towel :-(
[11:21:54] <xlefay> prospectacle, that's odd indeed
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[11:21:57] <prospectacle> oh did he? that's a pity
[11:22:13] <crutchy> he's holed up in a mansion on the apple isle
[11:22:51] <xlefay> Here in NL, we do, receive some assistance from the gov't to pay for medical insurance (but of course, that doesn't cover it in it's entirely - though, it did allow me to keep up, with some monetary assistance from my mum)
[11:23:18] <xlefay> No-one's seem him around on IRC at all, lately? I talked to kobach not so long ago, and he said the same.
[11:23:27] <kobach> ?
[11:23:39] <xlefay> I'm going to shoot MrBluze an e-mail to check up on him, see how he's doing
[11:23:39] <kobach> OH
[11:23:43] <kobach> oh*
[11:23:59] <kobach> IM MOWIN THE AIR RAND
[11:24:41] <xlefay> crutchy, anyway, my heart goes out to you, your wife & the rest of your family. I hope she'll get better soon! Keep up the hope ;)
[11:24:56] <crutchy> same to you xlefay
[11:25:19] <xlefay> Thank you
[11:25:22] <crutchy> get better quick... my stats look really bad!
[11:26:14] <crutchy> say hi to your mum too. sounds like she helping out
[11:26:50] <xlefay> Thank you and will do, she'll appreciate that! :)
[11:27:23] <xlefay> (of course, do relay my get-well wishes to your wife, hehe ;-))
[11:28:03] <crutchy> will do
[11:28:08] <xlefay> I've got to go, take care of some things here. I'll be back later, take care everybody.
[11:28:12] <crutchy> are you at home atm?
[11:28:16] <xlefay> Yeah
[11:28:21] <crutchy> oky doky. take care
[11:28:36] <xlefay> You too!
[11:28:38] <crutchy> see ya later matey
[11:28:47] <NCommander> xlefay, I don't think I've ever seen a SSO for IRC
[11:29:01] <crutchy> damn good to hear from you again too :-D
[11:29:32] <prospectacle> bye xlefay, come back soon
[11:29:37] <crutchy> holy shit
[11:29:56] * crutchy just worked out his 2013-2014 medicare levy online
[11:30:01] <crutchy> :-(
[11:30:08] <prospectacle> is it a million dollars?
[11:30:18] <prospectacle> You could buy a whole new body for that, piece by piece as they broke
[11:30:37] <crutchy> i wish. that would mean i could buy a hospital
[11:31:19] <crutchy> $1200 is a big hole though. kinda hard to know whether to go with private or not :-/
[11:31:42] <crutchy> my boss pays $6k/yr for his private health insurance
[11:31:47] <prospectacle> well it depends what private would give you. also how much would you save (you still pay some amount of medicare regardless, I believe)
[11:32:17] <prospectacle> I looked into private and can't see what I would get from it. You still have to pay for e.g. surgeons by yourself, and get some back from medicare.
[11:32:45] <prospectacle> I guess getting into a hospital faster can be good
[11:33:12] <crutchy> medicare definitely makes financial sense, but yeah the waiting can be a pain (literally for my wife)
[11:33:36] <prospectacle> that's true
[11:34:09] <crutchy> NCommander: i must admit i've been trying to think of how sso would work. there's no cookie or anything for irc. the website and irc are totally separate applications
[11:34:37] <crutchy> unless you somehow tied slash into nickserv
[11:34:46] * crutchy shudders at that thought
[11:34:53] <prospectacle> there's the web interface for irc. Could have the sso apply to that
[11:35:20] <chromas> SlashServ
[11:35:21] <crutchy> might be easier to use nickerv signin for slash
[11:35:40] <crutchy> at least can make bots talk to websites. prolly bit trickier the other way around
[11:36:14] <crutchy> the exec comment script logs into SN pretty easily
[11:36:55] <crutchy> and its over ssl
[11:38:35] <crutchy> maybe if a bot had access to the slash user db (with a key submitted via post request) it could open a browser logged in
[11:38:45] <chromas> Just think what it could do if it could talk to slash directly and touch it's naughty bits
[11:38:58] <crutchy> they're probably very dirty
[11:39:28] <crutchy> lots of people already been poking around in there
[11:39:46] <chromas> That's why they don't talk anymore
[11:40:07] <chromas> Stuck in their own minds
[11:40:11] <crutchy> they're rocking in a corner
[11:41:25] <crutchy> i dunno how but i think the damn weather script is hanging my stupid bot, which was specifically designed to be resilient against that :-/
[11:42:09] <crutchy> i tried while (1) { echo "test\n"; } and it timed out fine
[11:42:33] <prospectacle> do you have try ... catch?
[11:42:34] <crutchy> the stupid thing is that i haven't touched that script for ages :-/
[11:42:57] <crutchy> prospectacle: not in the bot
[11:42:59] <crutchy> yet
[11:43:08] <chromas> That's why; it's angry at you for not touching it
[11:43:15] <crutchy> lol
[11:43:31] <chromas> Now it has a headache
[11:43:33] <ciri> Wow xchat has a headache.
[11:43:37] <crutchy> hahaha
[11:43:40] <crutchy> ciri++
[11:43:40] <Bender> karma - ciri: 3
[11:46:21] <crutchy> ~weather xlefay
[11:46:23] <exec> Weather for Leeuwarden, Netherlands at 2014-07-16 11:25:00 (UTC) ~ 0.4 hrs ago:
[11:46:23] <exec> temperature = 71.6°F (22°C) dewpoint = 53.6°F (12°C)
[11:46:24] <exec> barometric pressure = 1022 mb ~ change of -0.6 mb over past 0.4 hrs relative humdity = 53%
[11:46:24] <exec> wind speed = 11 mph (17.6 km/h) wind direction = 270°
[11:46:46] <crutchy> i think it knew we were talking about it
[11:46:58] <crutchy> i have nfi what i changed :-P
[11:48:16] <crutchy> ~define pikey
[11:48:17] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3pikey: From the English "turnpike", the place where itinerent travellers and thieves would camp near a settlement. Pikey is not a racial group, the term is used to describe anyone who lives in a ca...
[11:48:29] <crutchy> ~define pratt
[11:48:31] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3pratt: dim witted useless clueless
[11:48:40] <crutchy> ^that's me :-P
[11:48:51] <crutchy> tonight anyways
[11:49:15] <crutchy> might see if exec will go back in its cage on the webserver
[11:49:28] <crutchy> maybe i'll clear out the scripts directory and re sync
[11:49:32] <chromas> I wonder if prattle is related
[11:49:43] <chromas> ~define prattle
[11:49:45] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3prattle: to chatter meaninglessly, babble
[11:50:01] <crutchy> i thought maybe it was a baby pratt
[11:50:04] <chromas> You're running it on the lap now?
[11:50:09] <crutchy> yeah
[11:50:15] <crutchy> "debugging mode"
[11:50:59] <crutchy> maybe the only core 2 duo webserver that i got for a case of beer from work has passed its used by date :-(
[11:51:09] <crutchy> s/only/old/
[11:51:14] <crutchy> ~sed on
[11:51:15] <exec> sed enabled for 8#Soylent
[11:51:18] <crutchy> s/only/old/
[11:51:24] <crutchy> oh crap
[11:51:37] <chromas> Maybe it's dusty and needs a blowjob
[11:51:59] <crutchy> lol. only if it returns the favor :-P
[11:52:22] <prospectacle> a baby pratt is an entrelac
[11:52:28] * crutchy is reminded of that scene from scary movie
[11:52:30] * prospectacle is making this up
[11:53:07] <chromas> With David Cross?
[11:53:44] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[11:53:45] <monopoly> ^ 03Scary movie- Cleaning my room! - YouTube
[11:55:47] <chromas> Oh yeah. I was thinking of 3 or 4 or 85
[11:56:06] <chromas> Doofy
[12:09:14] <NCommander> crutchy, you could tie it into nickserv :-P
[12:09:19] <NCommander> */lag*
[12:09:40] <crutchy> NCommander: s/you/someone smart/
[12:09:59] <crutchy> ah crap again
[12:10:07] <crutchy> i'm so not with it tonight :-/
[12:14:29] <crutchy> ~weather crutchy
[12:14:32] <exec> Weather for Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 2014-07-16 11:00:00 (UTC) ~ 1.2 hrs ago:
[12:14:33] <exec> temperature = 41.9°F (5.5°C) dewpoint = 40.1°F (4.5°C)
[12:14:33] <exec> barometric pressure = 1009.5 mb ~ change of 0.3 mb over past 3 hrs relative humdity = 93%
[12:14:33] <exec> wind speed = 1 mph (1.6 km/h) wind direction = 310°
[12:14:47] <crutchy> too cold :-(
[12:15:15] <crutchy> ~weather NCommander
[12:15:17] <exec> Weather for "NCommander" not found. Check spelling or try another nearby location.
[12:15:25] <crutchy> ~weather ncommander
[12:15:27] <exec> Weather for "ncommander" not found. Check spelling or try another nearby location.
[12:15:27] <prospectacle> well these pro-drowsy antihistamines are really kicking in. I'm out of here. Have a good one poeple
[12:15:36] <crutchy> pfft
[12:15:50] <crutchy> running on different machine so codes file is different :-/
[12:16:09] * crutchy starts screen
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[12:17:06] <chromas> rsync the buckets
[12:17:30] <chromas> Bucketsync
[12:17:54] <crutchy> 'git up' works pretty good
[12:18:02] <crutchy> ~q
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[12:21:22] <crutchy> ~sed on
[12:21:23] <exec> sed enabled for 8#Soylent
[12:21:34] <crutchy> exec: now don't do it again
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[12:21:53] <crutchy> whatever the hell it was that you did that made it not work
[12:22:10] <crutchy> g'day Jaruzel
[12:22:33] <Jaruzel> Hello.
[12:23:14] <crutchy> hmm think i just figured out that xs508-09.members.linode.com must be the webchat host
[12:23:17] <Jaruzel> I wanna whinge a bit about the site page layout - not sure where to send it to though - anything thought?
[12:23:55] <crutchy> prolly paulej72, but i dunno whether it will be high on the priority list. maybe submit a github issue
[12:24:19] <crutchy> https://github.com
[12:24:20] <monopoly> ^ 03Issues · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
[12:24:36] <Jaruzel> it's not a bug per-se - but since the site news userbox has been moved to the right hand side, and now contains loads of info, the journal user box is now WAAAAYY down the page.
[12:24:38] <crutchy> that's prolly the best/right channel
[12:25:07] <Jaruzel> as such, people aren't commenting as much on journals
[12:25:10] <crutchy> issues isn't just for bugs. can be new features... anything development related really
[12:25:22] <crutchy> it will be flagged to all devs
[12:25:30] <Jaruzel> hmm guess I'll need to cave and create a github account.
[12:25:36] <crutchy> lol
[12:25:54] <crutchy> yeah not sure if you can raise issue without one
[12:26:08] * crutchy notes another exec script idea :-P
[12:26:30] <Jaruzel> As a windows guy, anything 'open source' is anathemic to me ;)
[12:26:31] <ciri> : Art thine source available..eth?
[12:29:22] <crutchy> windows is a hard disease to cure
[12:30:02] <crutchy> i'm almost rid of it at home, but unfortunately i'm stuck with it at work cos i'm also inflicted by the autodesk bacteria
[12:33:28] <Jaruzel> it's my bread and butter also
[12:33:54] <crutchy> fair enough :-)
[12:34:05] <Jaruzel> ok github accnt created (I feel dirty).
[12:34:14] <crutchy> lol
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[12:34:23] <crutchy> just do git clean :-P
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[12:57:58] <Jaruzel> and logged... https://github.com
[12:57:59] <monopoly> ^ 03Journal user box too low down by default · Issue #241 · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
[12:58:51] <Jaruzel> uber low priority imho though. There's far more important things to be fixed (like those damn horrible friend/foe smileys)
[13:01:54] <paulej72> Jaruzel: take it up with NCommander he is the one who puts all of that stuff in the Site News box.
[13:03:02] <NCommander> That one is a config change
[13:03:07] <NCommander> I'll clear out the site news box today
[13:03:17] <paulej72> crutchy: webchat host is chat.soylentnews.org. I would not use the linode name as the VM might move at any moment
[13:03:34] <Jaruzel> woah, it's only my personal whinge - don't do anything on my account :)
[13:08:06] <crutchy> i just noticed that Jaruzel has the same host as Bender
[13:08:38] <paulej72> Jaruzel: np. I should probably thin it down a bit and move the info off again as I added that for the irc server move.
[13:10:17] <crutchy> time to scrap slash and make a 3D compiz-like website :-P
[13:10:49] <crutchy> or a fractal one where you can zoom in to multiple layers :-D
[13:10:53] <Jaruzel> or, change all UX to those massive text vertical scroll tablet friendly designs that are all the rage now.
[13:11:05] <Jaruzel> i'm not blind, i don't need 48px body text!
[13:11:27] * Jaruzel grumbles like an old man.
[13:12:12] <crutchy> or limit the width of the content to 500px on a hd widescreen monitor :-/
[13:13:00] <Jaruzel> with float left on the main div for best effect
[13:15:47] <paulej72> Jaruzel: did you see the Daily WTF site redesign post from Monday? A lot of the comments were just like that :)
[13:16:30] <crutchy> http://www.wonder-tonic.com
[13:16:32] <monopoly> ^ 03SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
[13:17:27] <Jaruzel> lol. that's awesome
[13:18:13] <Jaruzel> paulej72: nope, but it doesn't derprise me.
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[13:37:31] <Blackmoore> mornin
[13:37:57] <xlefay> morning
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[13:39:37] <Blackmoore> well good to see you xlefay
[13:39:54] <xlefay> And you Blackmoore :)
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[13:43:07] <Blackmoore> Where have you been hiding?
[13:44:15] <xlefay> I've had and still am having some medical issues, that's why I've been AFK
[13:48:03] <xlefay> ~weather
[13:48:04] <exec> IRC WEATHER INFORMATION
[13:48:04] <exec> usage: "~weather location" (visit http://wiki.soylentnews.org for more info)
[13:48:05] <exec> data courtesy of the APRS Citizen Weather Observer Program (CWOP) @ http://weather.gladstonefamily.net
[13:48:05] <exec> by crutchy: https://github.com
[13:48:07] <xlefay> ~weather xlefay
[13:48:11] <exec> Weather for Leeuwarden, Netherlands at 2014-07-16 13:25:00 (UTC) ~ 0.4 hrs ago:
[13:48:11] <exec> temperature = 71.6°F (22°C) dewpoint = 51.8°F (11°C)
[13:48:11] <exec> barometric pressure = 1022 mb ~ change of -0.3 mb over past 0.4 hrs relative humdity = 49%
[13:48:12] <exec> wind speed = 3 mph (4.8 km/h) wind direction = 0°
[13:50:20] <Blackmoore> I'm sorry to hear that. i was out of it for a while due to surgery myself.
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[13:56:39] <Woods> The last couple days, when trying to log in to IRC I get an error saying there are too many connections.
[13:56:50] <xlefay> Thanks, it's been a weird time!
[13:56:58] <Woods> After it finally let me on just now, I got a pm saying "<BadAss> WARNING: You may not have any more than 6 clients on the network at once. Any further connections over this limit risks being removed."
[13:57:17] <xlefay> Woods, we're aware, NCommander is restoring my access as we speak, when he's finished, I'll resolve the issue.
[13:57:41] <xlefay> Just a shoutout to paulej72 for taking care of things so well ;-)
[13:58:04] <Woods> Ahhh, I thought I saw someone mention it yesterday, but figured it got resolved.
[13:58:21] <xlefay> It was, partially
[13:59:21] <Blackmoore> Woods: I had the same issue monday.
[13:59:51] <xlefay> That would also explain the +- 20 people missing, unless a lot of people bailed on IRC?
[13:59:55] <Blackmoore> http://inventorspot.com
[13:59:56] <monopoly> ^ 03Want This Funny Innovation? Kaiju Garden Gnome
[14:00:32] <Blackmoore> I think that they booted a lot of lurkers too.
[14:00:38] <Blackmoore> or bots
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[14:01:37] <crutchy> coffee++
[14:01:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 374
[14:02:50] <xlefay> I see
[14:03:04] <stdhell> I C
[14:03:16] <stdhell> Perl too...
[14:03:40] <xlefay> stdhell <3
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[14:04:31] <weeds> mornin'
[14:04:40] <crutchy> mornin weeds
[14:04:55] <crutchy> ~time melbourne
[14:04:56] <exec> [Google] 12:04am Thursday (EST) - Time in Melbourne VIC, Australia
[14:05:12] <crutchy> hmm yup. morning... just :-P
[14:05:34] <kobach> see i told you same abbreviations
[14:06:04] <crutchy> g'day kobach
[14:06:27] <stdhell> kobach: And that's why we don't use those abbreviations for anything serious.
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[14:10:33] <stdhell> Not again...
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[14:11:12] <crutchy> /rehash :-P
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[14:11:45] <NCommander> Fuck it
[14:11:48] <crutchy> lol
[14:11:50] <NCommander> I'm not getting anything done this morning
[14:11:53] <NCommander> Getting on my bike and going out
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[14:12:02] <xlefay> "Read error: error:2006D080:BIO routines:BIO_new_file:no such file" I wonder, wth is wrong with that
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[14:12:30] <crutchy> someone tinkering with ircd i guess
[14:12:31] <stdhell> xlefay: We also saw it yesterday.
[14:12:32] <ciri> Apparently combat rebalance also changes some quest rewards and stuff.
[14:12:54] <xlefay> crutchy, actually.. I just /rehashed, and stuff like that happened.. it has to do with web irc, which is now, giving bad password
[14:13:00] <xlefay> sighs... wonder what's wrong with it
[14:13:22] <crutchy> maybe it needs vegemite :-)
[14:13:53] <xlefay> afraid to /rehash now...
[14:14:20] <crutchy> doesn't cause much trouble. a few seconds to reconnect
[14:14:31] <crutchy> be bold! :-D
[14:14:47] <xlefay> http://stackoverflow.com hmm..
[14:14:48] <monopoly> ^ 03windows - openssl error in reading openssl.conf file - Stack Overflow
[14:15:29] <crutchy> you reckon might be just those with ssl connections?
[14:15:54] <xlefay> aah
[14:15:54] <crutchy> most the ones that dc'ed seem to have secure
[14:15:57] <xlefay> I see the problem now
[14:16:03] <xlefay> libratbox reports: rb_setup_ssl_server: Error loading DH params file [dh.pem]: error:02001002:system library:fopen:No such file or directory
[14:16:19] <crutchy> missing cert
[14:17:56] <xlefay> w00t, /rehash without people getting booted
[14:18:07] <crutchy> aww that's no fun :-P
[14:18:23] <stdhell> So now wouldn't be a good time to ask when the "new" cloaking module will be installed? :-)
[14:18:41] * crutchy needs a nice warm cloak
[14:18:51] <xlefay> Wow.. connection from here to carbon is crappy as hell
[14:19:11] <xlefay> stdhell, ha, I'm sorry, I was away for so long. I will, look into it however, I need to pick up my work
[14:19:26] <crutchy> not like the crazy awesome bandwidth you had in germany eh
[14:19:29] <stdhell> :-)
[14:19:56] <xlefay> truly, I'm sorry stdhell - the custom charybdis package I had build isn't installed and I gotta look where I left it
[14:20:22] <stdhell> :-)
[14:20:55] <crutchy> nothing is important as you getting better mate. irc is fun, but not at expense of a comrade
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[14:21:42] <crutchy> i guess nerdy stuff is an outlet too though
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[14:22:11] <weeds> it blowed up!
[14:22:13] <crutchy> wb weeds
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[14:22:40] * crutchy is still trying to mop up the shit all over the floor from the backwash
[14:22:47] <Blackmoore> ah theree we go.
[14:23:08] <weeds> what happened?
[14:23:30] <crutchy> exec had diarrhea
[14:23:52] <crutchy> i tried to stop it
[14:24:03] <Blackmoore> *sigh* any more mops?
[14:24:47] <xlefay> ok...
[14:24:47] <weeds> maybe a garden hose?
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[14:24:59] <xlefay> those on webchat, we need to restart it real quick.. and afterwards, it should be fixed!
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[14:25:06] <xlefay> _should be_ being the operative two words
[14:25:11] <crutchy> lol
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[14:25:14] <xlefay> it seems, paulej72 already restarted it, and it seems to be working
[14:25:44] <crutchy> can tell the ones on webchat i think cos they appear with @xs508-09.members.linode.com
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[14:26:01] <xlefay> crutchy, not anymore ;)
[14:26:08] <xlefay> Now, they once again appear from their own IPs
[14:26:11] <Blackmoore> ick. I'm thinking pressurewasher.
[14:26:31] <crutchy> i've ordered a firetruck
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[14:27:22] <Blackmoore> good idea.
[14:27:29] <xlefay> It's fixed now people. Sorry for the inconvenience!
[14:27:32] <crutchy> i've disabled the ~stink alias
[14:27:36] <crutchy> :-P
[14:27:44] <weeds> back
[14:28:05] <crutchy> ~weather NCommander
[14:28:08] <exec> Weather for Anchorage, AK US at 2014-07-16 13:56:00 (UTC) ~ 0.5 hrs ago:
[14:28:08] <exec> temperature = 58°F (14.4°C) dewpoint = 51.5°F (10.8°C)
[14:28:09] <exec> barometric pressure = 1021.4 mb ~ change of -0.1 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 78%
[14:28:09] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 131°
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[14:28:45] <crutchy> at least the weather script doesn't crap all over itself. i dunno what happened earlier, but the fix didn't involve any code
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[14:29:36] <xlefay> crutchy, regarding webclients?
[14:30:08] <crutchy> nah i mean when you tried ~weather xlefay and it didn't work
[14:30:17] <xlefay> oh xD
[14:30:20] <crutchy> you thought it forgot you :-P
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[14:31:20] <crutchy> g'day matt_
[14:31:33] <crutchy> err g'day BlackHole
[14:31:44] <BlackHole> crutchy, hi! how's things?
[14:32:01] <crutchy> bit better
[14:32:14] <BlackHole> better bits?
[14:32:28] <crutchy> we have a visitor from another world with us :-P
[14:32:44] <BlackHole> i know! i just wb'd him in another channel :)
[14:32:50] <crutchy> ah
[14:32:53] <crutchy> :-)
[14:34:58] <crutchy> apparently his alien abduction left some residual medical issues :-/
[14:36:11] <Blackmoore> *sigh* and here i was hoping for an extra arm.
[14:36:16] <crutchy> i think xlefay should get a free coffee++ mug :-)
[14:36:27] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[14:36:27] <Bender> karma - coffee: 375
[14:36:46] <crutchy> i'll chuck in some dosh for it
[14:36:51] <xlefay> ha
[14:37:07] <crutchy> err someone will have to tell me how though :-?
[14:38:45] <xlefay> Good to see y'all again!
[14:38:52] <xlefay> I'll try to check in later ;)
[14:39:23] <crutchy> you too mate. nice to hear from you and good to know you're ok'ish
[14:39:36] <crutchy> its nothing terminal i hope
[14:39:37] <xlefay> bacon++ for old times sake.
[14:39:37] <xlefay> ... where's bender?
[14:39:37] <Bender> karma - bacon: 238
[14:39:39] <ciri> Upper bacon factory revolution.
[14:39:44] <xlefay> ugh, nvm... lagg. ciao!
[14:40:00] <crutchy> cya xlefay
[14:40:04] <xlefay> You too! Take care!
[14:40:33] <crutchy> i prolly should be sleeping. night #soylent!
[14:40:49] <Blackmoore> g'night!
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[15:12:06] <Blackmoore> i guess the hose just blew out the conversation too.
[15:32:57] <Jaruzel> i'm ripping DVDs to mkvs - 120 odd down, 150 to go...
[15:33:08] <Jaruzel> like watching paint dry
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[15:46:40] <Blackmoore> gezz.. yeah.. it would be better if you could automate.. but there is that whole eject DVD, replace DVD..
[15:48:04] <Jaruzel> that's not the slow bit tbh. Each disc has to checked in Handbrake for the right Title, then Audio track, then finally subs (forced or not)
[15:48:44] <Jaruzel> i've put off doing this for so long, but it's time now that I have multiple XBMCs in the house
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[16:21:42] <Blackmoore> geez..
[16:22:07] <Blackmoore> I'm not even bothering till i have much better hardware.
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[18:04:39] <Blackmoore> *tumbleweeds*
[18:09:21] <stdhell> *crickets*
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[18:21:39] <d33tah> slashdot++
[18:21:39] <Bender> karma - slashdot: -2
[18:21:43] <d33tah> beta++
[18:21:43] <Bender> karma - beta: -17
[18:21:51] <d33tah> trolling++
[18:21:51] <Bender> karma - trolling: 1
[18:23:26] <chromas> subtlety--
[18:23:26] <Bender> karma - subtlety: -1
[18:24:08] <Blackmoore> :P
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[18:29:09] <Blackmoore> huh.. i miss bender
[18:29:27] <Blackmoore> i got so used to it telling me there was a new article
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[18:40:13] <paulej72> Blackmoore: lets see if that works :)
[18:42:50] <juggs> still patching things up paulej72 ?
[18:43:57] <paulej72> bender seems to have this issue from time to time. I just killed and restarted him. Need to get access to do it throug irc though
[18:44:05] <stdhell> paulej72: Will It B(l)end?
[18:45:14] <juggs> paulej72, does he have a .restart or .rehash call?
[18:45:43] <paulej72> probably, but I am not sure if he will listen to me
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[18:48:34] <stdhell> Time to go home... See you!
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[18:49:13] <xlefay> hmm.. I just tried to restart Bender.. it just decided to start jsb-44 .... isn't that bot just wonderful?
[18:49:57] <paulej72> yes and now we have two benders running
[18:50:12] <xlefay> Yes.. I guess it just doesn't want to restart lol
[18:51:51] <juggs> oh hi xlefay o/ Welcome back
[18:52:02] <xlefay> Thanks juggs, how have you been?
[18:52:26] <juggs> muddling along as normal mostly
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[18:53:12] <xlefay> hehe cool :)
[18:53:13] <paulej72> xlefay: how does the restart command work for Bender
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[18:53:40] <xlefay> I just told it to "!reboot" and unless you killed bender from the CLI. I guess, it just spawns a new client and lets the owner one ping out
[18:53:42] <xlefay> time out*
[18:54:23] <xlefay> other*
[18:54:46] <paulej72> I just killed bender from command line. but I see that what you just said happened.
[18:55:16] <paulej72> Is there a lsit of who can do that to bender
[18:55:40] <xlefay> Yes, I'm adding you now
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[18:56:21] <paulej72> is it in a config file that needs to be edited xlefay
[18:57:03] <xlefay> /msg Bender !reboot
[18:57:15] <xlefay> ^ try that
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[18:57:36] <xlefay> Nah. I just did it via PM to Bender.
[18:58:23] <xlefay> !user-getperms paulej72
[18:58:24] <Bender> permissions of paulej72: USER, OPER
[19:00:22] <paulej72> what is bad about bender is that the jsonbot site is no longer active and thus I can’t find the documentation
[19:00:44] <xlefay> http://jsonbot.readthedocs.org best I could find, it seems majorly incomplete
[19:00:50] <monopoly> ^ 03Welcome to JSONBOT — JSONBOT 0.91.0 DEVELOPMENT documentation
[19:01:49] <xlefay> I was working on a prototype to replace it, actually, but that prototype needs a massive rewrite, I'm collecting my work and gonna post it on github; and sharpen up my Python skills, and build it via that
[19:02:12] <xlefay> Landon, made a bot in Python, not sure if we could use that for a base(?)
[19:03:51] <juggs> xlefay, what does it need to do?
[19:04:02] <xlefay> Awesome things ;-)
[19:04:22] <juggs> :P
[19:05:28] <xlefay> The prototype I made, was heading into the direction of Bender's basic features, eventually, I wanted to build it out - to make it more versatile, a typical, but very awesome bot.
[19:05:42] <xlefay> Although, my prototype, connects to IRC servers as a server, like the IRC services do
[19:06:02] <juggs> I've no idea what Bender's basic features are :D
[19:06:06] <xlefay> Giving it an edge, e.g. like juggler for instance, it couldn't be kicked from a channel.
[19:06:21] <juggs> makes sense
[19:06:23] <xlefay> Bender has a lot of features that we don't use atm, but the general, karma, quotes, etc..
[19:07:30] <xlefay> Also, I was going to have it use a PostgreSQL backend, so we could build an awesome frontend, for e.g. quotes, todo, etc.. and ultimately, I had in mind, when IRC was using SN's login (e.g. login to site is the same as signing into your nickserv account); that there be SSO to Sublight's (my prototype's) webbased features, e.g. quotes, todo's, etc
[19:07:43] <xlefay> So a pretty cool platform, or at least, so I think :P
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[19:08:22] <juggs> sounds like the work of a mad genius :D :D
[19:08:37] <xlefay> Haha x'D
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[19:08:54] <xlefay> I must say, I was extremely excited about how Sublight was working, it was pretty damn awesome
[19:09:12] <paulej72> soylentrss is what Bender seemed to be not doing today
[19:09:23] <xlefay> The only real downside, my prototype is build in PHP (which of course, isn't a long-term solution for a bot that's running 24/7)
[19:09:57] <xlefay> (then again, writing the first prototype in the language you're most familiar with seemed like a good excercise to get the general idea & flow going)
[19:10:07] <xlefay> paulej72, good point. let's see what's bugging 'm
[19:11:05] <paulej72> That is why i did the reboot
[19:11:45] * xlefay checks when the last story was posted
[19:13:56] <xlefay> 18:20:44 -=- ERROR -=- RSS FEED NAME SoylentNews -=- soylentrss.deliver.320 -=- dosync
[19:14:03] <xlefay> Isn't that EXTREMELY helpful?
[19:18:06] <xlefay> I think it should work now...
[19:18:08] <xlefay> !rss-get soylentnews
[19:18:08] <Bender> we don't have a soylentnews rss item
[19:18:14] <xlefay> !rss-get SoylentNews
[19:18:25] <Bender> results of SoylentNews: [SoylentNews] - Racist FB Post: 9 Months Jail and 50.000 Euro Fine - http://sylnt.us - ouch || ArsTechnica on the Meaning of Blood Types - http://sylnt.us - looks-good-on-my-plasma-display || Google Blinks: Real Name Policy out! - http://sylnt.us - arrows-buy-ennui-utter-gnome-our-crust-as-wheat || UK Study Finds 'Greens' - 13 more
[19:18:26] <ciri> [Soylentnews] - uk broadband not fit for purpose - http://www.bravotv.com <- teh butthurts.
[19:18:55] <xlefay> 19:18:22 -=- WARNING -=- SoylentNews - object has no attribute 'slash_department' -=- soylentrss.makeresponse.381 -=- handle_rssget
[19:19:00] <xlefay> not sure what's up with that though.
[19:20:52] <paulej72> I think one of the recent stories did not have a dept set
[19:23:08] <xlefay> yeah could be, anyway, Bender should work... *should* being the operative term, I've gotta go. Have a good one!
[19:23:18] <xlefay> Great to see ya again juggs, take care!
[19:23:24] <xlefay> You too paulej72 ;-)
[19:24:01] <juggs> likewise xlefay - you leaving us again?
[19:24:21] <xlefay> I'll check back in later :)
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[19:30:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Blinks: Real Name Policy Out! - http://sylnt.us - arrows-buy-ennui-utter-gnome-our-crust-as-wheat
[19:41:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Chinese Hackers Extending Reach to Smaller U.S. Agencies, Officials Say - http://sylnt.us - blame-canada-^W-china
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[19:49:51] * NCommander notes the recent article abotu blood types reminds himself that he's got a rare blood type :-/
[19:49:56] <NCommander> Actually, only one in my family with it
[19:54:04] <Blackmoore> hmm.. you werent abducted by an alien disgused as a wolf were you?
[19:54:26] <Blackmoore> (holly.. where did i put the holly?)
[19:56:33] <paulej72> NCommander: are your parents at least capable of producing an offspring with your blood type? or are you one of those “mutant” babies
[19:56:47] <NCommander> paulej72, theorically, possible, but unlikely
[19:56:53] <NCommander> I have B Negative blood
[19:57:00] <NCommander> My parents have B Positive, and O Positive
[19:57:13] <NCommander> As far as we know, all four grandparents also had positive blood
[19:57:24] <NCommander> Given negative blood types is a recessive trait, its pretyt unlikely I'd have it
[19:57:37] <paulej72> 25% chance
[19:58:16] <paulej72> unless there are multiple genes involved.
[19:58:21] <NCommander> No, its less than that, since you need both Rh alleles
[19:58:54] <NCommander> Its a double recessive gene, both parents have to be a carrier, and their parents
[19:59:36] <paulej72> 6.25% I guess that is rare then
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[20:00:16] <NCommander> And that's not saying when the negative Rh gene even entered the family tree
[20:00:20] <NCommander> My cousins are all positive
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[21:16:44] <idetuxs> Hi everyone
[21:20:11] <Blackmoore> hi
[21:20:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - House of Commons Approves UK Emergency Data Retention Law - http://sylnt.us - privacy-loss-drip-by-drip
[21:21:59] <idetuxs> HI Blackmoore
[21:28:37] <Blackmoore> pretty quiet in here today.
[21:30:53] <idetuxs> :/ agitated around here
[21:31:01] <idetuxs> constant chaos :P
[21:34:25] <idetuxs> but slow day after all
[21:36:38] <paulej72> Blackmoore: it was busier here last night. Took me forver to read the backlog. Plus xlefay was back today :)
[21:37:33] <idetuxs> oh, "here" was meant for the channel :P
[21:38:43] <paulej72> here is the only here :p
[21:40:32] <idetuxs> Lol, I thought the AFK "here", real-life "here"
[21:41:27] <paulej72> need to get food. back later.
[21:41:47] <idetuxs> ok!
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[21:52:34] <Blackmoore> nah IRL - i'm swamped under my office work.
[21:52:50] <Blackmoore> tough to stay in a conversation
[21:53:24] <Blackmoore> but i was here for the chatroom derping this morning.
[21:54:20] <crutchy> ooh there was a derp?
[21:56:39] <Blackmoore> yeah, about 13:30 in the log
[21:57:06] <Blackmoore> kicked a bunch of us out, and then gave password errors.
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[21:59:03] * crutchy wonders how exec didn't get booted
[22:19:05] <Blackmoore> no idea. the second time it happens I think was due to a reset of the IRC.
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[22:21:07] <paulej72> back
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[22:22:41] <xlefay> Blackmoore, sorry about that. We fixed an issue with the webchat.
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[22:27:15] <Blackmoore> it's all good. i just wish i had the time on monday to say something about the login issue
[22:27:31] <Blackmoore> anycase I'm out. g'nioght folks
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[22:35:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's it, i'm putting some 100+lb line on my catfish rod. latched into one today that snapped my 20lb line like it was sewing thread and nearly yanked me into the water in the process.
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[22:51:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Reverse-engineering Prodigy - http://sylnt.us - Tears-in-Rain
[22:52:32] <mrcoolbp> SoylentNews PBC Board Meeting in #staff shortly
[22:54:06] <matt_> mrcoolbp, no ops in #staff, so nobody can hear us unvoiced people ;)
[22:54:18] <mrcoolbp> rofl
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[23:04:09] <mrcoolbp> matt_ he's on his way
[23:04:53] <xlefay> IRC has died down a bit ;(
[23:05:07] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, btw.. did we ever get those e-mails out for those interviews ideas we had?
[23:05:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> my fault. i was gone all day fishing.
[23:05:35] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: last you said was to wait up, then we were waiting for Incorp anyway
[23:05:39] <paulej72> xlefay: I think it is due to summer
[23:05:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy was supposed to chatter aimlessly for me but he dropped the ball.
[23:06:00] <xlefay> Oh yeah. I think NCommander was having a different approach on that, but I never got the chance to hear that
[23:06:10] <xlefay> TheMightyBuzzard, ha
[23:06:18] <xlefay> How did the incorp go anyway?
[23:06:38] <xlefay> I'm guessing, a huge virtual party tent, with lot's of food?
[23:06:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> gave NC headaches but we are as of july 4
[23:06:55] <xlefay> Cool!
[23:08:21] <mrcoolbp> ---=SoylentNews PBC Board Meeting starts Now in #staff=---
[23:08:46] <xlefay> anyone care to let me in on the definition of 'PBC' ? I've been away for far too long... and they're already using all those acronyms!
[23:08:54] <matt_> public benefit corporation
[23:09:13] <xlefay> Cool, thanks
[23:09:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> means we exist to benefit the public rather than make a profit and board's legal obligations reflect that
[23:10:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> but we're still allowed to make fat bank
[23:11:26] <xlefay> Thanks :D
[23:11:36] <xlefay> That makes a lot of sense
[23:17:20] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, do post a picture sometime! I'm curious to see how awesome our name looks on one of those cards!
[23:17:42] <mrcoolbp> will do
[23:17:55] <xlefay> haha, great.
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[23:41:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> It's always fun seeing how many times a meeting can get derailed.
[23:41:07] <ciri> ---=Soylentnews pbc board meeting starts now in moral highground this is a fun hex color to set utf8 as the value.
[23:41:15] <mrcoolbp> heh
[23:47:04] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[23:47:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> premature aye-ulation
[23:47:15] <mrcoolbp> = )