#Soylent | Logs for 2014-07-14

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[00:17:04] <SpallsHurgenson> heh, I just found my original Doom II 3.5" floppy disks :)
[00:17:05] <ciri> Heh wedge and biggs are the same thing, equiv of php, you hope they'll tell you hwat.
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[00:19:55] <SpallsHurgenson> oooh, Windows 3.0 5.25" disks :)
[00:20:37] <juggs> ahhh the wonderful box of bits
[00:21:39] <SpallsHurgenson> and a single zip drive that used to be the backup for all my files :)
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[00:47:41] <SpallsHurgenson> moving furniture + 95 degree weather = unhappy campers
[00:48:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is excellent reasoning for an afternoon nap
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[01:23:53] <SpallsHurgenson> I seem to have misplaced one of my wireless mouses
[01:24:50] <juggs> perhaps the cat ate it?
[01:25:17] <SpallsHurgenson> I'll have to see if she starts pooping batteries
[01:25:35] <juggs> sounds painful :)
[01:25:50] <SpallsHurgenson> shockingly painful :)
[01:26:07] <juggs> ho ho ho :D
[01:31:30] * SpallsHurgenson wanders around, making wireless-mouse calls, hoping to lure the missing rodent out of hiding
[01:32:15] <juggs> I am dying to know what a wireless-mouse call is :D
[01:33:59] <SpallsHurgenson> whatever it is, it works... I found my missing mousie :)
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[01:34:20] <juggs> did it come scuttling out of some odd nook or crannie?
[01:35:13] <SpallsHurgenson> it was hiding by the baseboard... it might have been thinking of gnawing a little hole to escape through
[01:40:13] <juggs> until it realised it had no teeth at which point it entered an infinite loop
[01:41:00] <SpallsHurgenson> no teeth? Ever open one of those fuckers up? those little plastic latches that hold the shell together are SHARP
[01:44:05] <juggs> I can't say I have, why would you wish to? But yeh, generally those types of little latches seem purposefully designed to either slash skin or break off at the slightest thought of flexing rendering the thing in question either unopenable or rendering it permanently useless
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[01:44:36] <juggs> too much rendering there I think
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[01:45:23] <SpallsHurgenson> I like opening things up
[01:45:47] <juggs> that seems as good a reason as any :D
[01:46:07] <SpallsHurgenson> not so good at putting 'em back together though
[01:47:34] * juggs inspects his mouse and sees it is secured by two screws. I could cope with that! :D
[01:49:03] <SpallsHurgenson> until one screw gets lost. they're worse than three-year old kids!
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[01:49:49] <juggs> have you not perfected the screw recall whistles yet? They are invaluable
[01:50:39] <SpallsHurgenson> as you can see, I'm still working on wireless mouse calls
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[01:55:46] <juggs> I think small screws are agoraphobic judging by the speed they head for the nearest tiny hidden recess when dropped on the floor
[01:56:39] <SpallsHurgenson> actually, I use the magnets salvaged from old hard-drives to keep 'em in line
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[02:00:25] <juggs> magnet on a stick a.k.a. telescopic magnetic pickup is always useful to keep around for furtling renegade screws from their hiding places too :)
[02:00:48] <kobach> juggs: agreed
[02:01:09] * SpallsHurgenson prefers free-roam magnets :)
[02:01:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - DARPA Tests Bullet-Sized Homing Missiles - http://sylnt.us - a-shot-in-the-arm-for-munitions
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[02:01:44] <juggs> also useful for retrieving shims dropped down cam chain tunnels by clumsy ass mechanics :D
[02:04:53] <SpallsHurgenson> can't you just send the mechanic? with enough WD40, they'll probably fit :)
[02:05:59] <arti> wd40 is a solvent
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[02:06:13] * juggs slaps SpallsHurgenson with a fish, repeat after me "WD40 is not a lubricant"
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[02:06:27] <arti> juggs, they're obviously not using enough of it.
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[02:07:13] <SpallsHurgenson> the lesson I am taking away from all this is that WD40 is some sort of lubricant
[02:07:24] <juggs> sure it makes things slippy for a short while, but that's not really what it should be used for
[02:08:12] <SpallsHurgenson> what, do you want your mechanics to be PERMANENTLY slippery?
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[02:09:05] <juggs> WD = Water Displacement use it for such :D
[02:09:14] <arti> SpallsHurgenson: make them lawyer mechanics
[02:09:15] <kobach> ^
[02:09:17] <arti> or politician
[02:09:26] <SpallsHurgenson> but mechanics are 90% water!
[02:09:35] <arti> you're thinking organics
[02:10:06] <kobach> electrical connectors? wd40
[02:10:14] <kobach> stuck screw? penetro90
[02:10:16] <arti> fireplace? wd40
[02:10:21] <kobach> fireplace? penetro90
[02:10:35] <arti> welding torch? wd40
[02:10:59] * arti runs away on fire
[02:11:01] <kobach> lol
[02:11:15] <kobach> its also great for drilling and other metalwork
[02:11:18] <kobach> as a coolant
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[02:14:12] <juggs> wouldn't you be better served by a light machine oil kobach? WD40's lubricating and cooling properties are not particularly great really.
[02:14:34] <kobach> juggs: that would require light machine oil
[02:15:10] <kobach> youd be surprised how well wd40 works as long as you're not doing anything major
[02:15:15] <juggs> Not particularly onerous to find, probably at the same place you bought the WD40 from :D
[02:15:26] <kobach> nah, wd40 = laying around
[02:15:28] <kobach> lol
[02:15:42] <kobach> probably easier clean up than machine oil too
[02:15:43] <SpallsHurgenson> for long term lube, I use oil... but for a quick get-thee-loose, damnit, a spritz of WD40 :)
[02:16:09] <kobach> too bad it sucks for that
[02:17:46] <juggs> Sorry, I'm pedantic about this crap as I was a mechanic in a previous incarnation and it makes me twitch when I, for example, see someone lubricating their car door hinges with WD40. Fine, as long as you want to do it over and over once a week, otherwise get thee some heavy grease and while you're at it hit those rubber seals with some silicone spray so they don't ice up in winter.
[02:18:12] <kobach> thats what i use penetro 90 for
[02:19:12] <kobach> ive never bought wd40, it always just appears
[02:19:22] <kobach> because people try to use it as a penetrating oil
[02:19:26] <kobach> or lubricating oil
[02:19:28] <kobach> lol
[02:20:08] <kobach> now golf cart charger connectors
[02:20:24] <kobach> theres a use for wd40 so you can get the fuck rid of it :p
[02:20:29] <juggs> I have a little metal can of castrol penetrating oil that I must have had around going on 20 years now. A few drops of that and a relaxing cup of tea later, even the most crusty bolts spin right out. God knows what is in the thing, voodoo or something, but it works.
[02:21:54] <kobach> i usually go through a can of penetro a year
[02:22:09] <kobach> but i use the fuck out of it
[02:22:29] <juggs> you must be less lazy than I am
[02:23:17] <kobach> im prety sure its more lazy since i use more
[02:23:27] <kobach> for future lazyness
[02:24:13] <SpallsHurgenson> next you'll be telling me I shouldn't use duct tape to put eveyrthing back together after I wd40 it loose :)
[02:26:07] <juggs> I used to go through copper slip like a baby goes through nappies though. Something about working on 'bikes where everything seems to be a metallic mismatch - steel or stainless bolts holding alu alloy covers on etc. without the copper slip, it's not comming back out in a year's time without ripping the thread out.
[02:26:29] <juggs> s/mm/m/
[02:26:29] <exec> <juggs> I used to go through copper slip like a baby goes through nappies though. Something about working on 'bikes where everything seems to be a metallic mismatch - steel or stainless bolts holding alu alloy covers on etc. without the copper slip, it's not coming back out in a year's time without ripping the thread out.
[02:27:51] <kobach> lol
[02:31:07] <arti> sometimes i'm glad i deal with software
[02:31:21] <juggs> and don't get me started on cheap ass bolts made of the lowest grade steel possible then tightened by some orangutan who never heard of a torque wrench - stretched to oblivion on the way in and impossible to remove short of knocking the heads off them , drilling and tapping (or using a thread insert)... grrrr.
[02:31:21] <arti> no alloy mismatch, it's API
[02:31:22] <ciri> Is eating cheap donuts.
[02:31:46] * arti pets ciri
[02:31:48] <juggs> bugger me ciri is on topic... sort of
[02:32:16] <arti> !decide pet stab
[02:32:17] <ciri> The roll of the dice picks: stab.
[02:32:23] * arti stabs a donut
[02:32:48] <kobach> lol
[02:33:24] <arti> gotta make sure it is, in fact, dead
[02:33:46] <juggs> eat it and digest it - only way to be sure :)
[02:34:20] <juggs> the only good donut is a consumed one! otherwise they are pure evil.
[02:34:34] <juggs> or something
[02:34:53] <arti> rocked some creme cornets today
[02:35:08] <arti> japanese bakery near by i frequent from time to time
[02:35:27] * arti will text you next time he's out to see if you want anything
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[02:36:42] <arti> ^-- visiting a bakery
[02:37:14] <juggs> spalls - epoxy resin is preferable to duct tape... it sets more of a challenge the next time you wish to take it apart :D
[02:37:30] <arti> crom laughs at your duct tape
[02:37:41] <juggs> crom?
[02:38:21] <juggs> this crom? http://en.wikipedia.org
[02:38:22] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Crom (fictional deity): Crom /ˈkrɒm/ is a fictional deity in Robert E. Howard's fantasy tales of the Hyborian Age. He is recognized by the lead character Conan, and his proto-Celtic Cimmerian people.
[02:39:03] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[02:39:04] <monopoly> ^ 03Crom Laughs At Your 4 Winds - YouTube
[02:39:10] <arti> yes, that crom
[02:39:23] <juggs> I see, I was not familiar
[02:39:42] <arti> you are forgiven
[02:39:50] * arti extends a jeweled hand for smoochies
[02:43:26] <juggs> errr yeah, pass on the bejewelled hand thing arti
[02:43:42] <arti> damn it, i was getting the lotion all ready
[02:43:59] * juggs runs away bravely
[02:44:19] <arti> you're only running from the truth~
[02:44:54] <juggs> noooo, I'm running away from you :D
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[02:59:07] <SpallsHurgenson> it's actually too hot to IRC
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[03:09:26] <juggs> o/ soylentpoutine
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[03:20:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Flexible Nano-Pixel Screen Patented - http://sylnt.us - where-would-we-be-without-patents
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[05:01:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - VIA Sidles Back into the x86 Market - http://sylnt.us - but-it's-a-two-manufacturer-system
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[05:45:44] <arti> Sidles, or Slides
[05:46:09] * arti learns a new word
[05:59:51] <juggs> arti, do you mean "sidle"?
[06:04:09] <juggs> I don't think sidling (sideling) is the same as sliding. I may be wrong on that.
[06:04:28] <juggs> or maybe that was your point
[06:04:55] * juggs thinks he should sleep a few years
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[06:05:54] <swiss> sr20det++
[06:05:54] <Bender> karma - sr20det: 20
[06:06:07] <swiss> juggs|afk: HOW COULD YOU GO TO SLEEP AT AN IMPORTANT MOMENT LIKE THIS
[06:53:35] * arti o.o
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[07:21:29] <arti> greetings pope
[07:21:35] * arti offers blueberries
[07:31:45] <Popeidol> what an unexpected surprise!
[07:34:03] <swiss> jokes on you. they're poisoned
[07:35:22] <arti> muhahahaha
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[07:35:29] <arti> greetings janrinok
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[07:45:53] <crutchy> coffee++
[07:45:53] <Bender> karma - coffee: 363
[07:46:10] <arti> greetings crutchy
[07:46:33] <crutchy> g'day arti
[07:46:40] <crutchy> what's new?
[07:47:00] <arti> the master race put argentina in their place :D
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[07:48:31] <crutchy> i heard
[07:49:01] <arti> fiddling more with angular
[07:49:27] <crutchy> and what of ukraine? does it still exist or is it a huge smouldering hole in newly accquired russian territory?
[07:49:45] <arti> that's a good question
[07:50:16] <crutchy> i heard one guy got killed by a shell. that should give putin the master key to the universe
[07:51:08] <SirFinkus> someone say ukraine?
[07:51:23] <SirFinkus> http://voiceofrussia.com
[07:51:24] <monopoly> ^ 03Russia doesn’t rule out "selective" strikes on Ukraine – media reports - News - Politics - The Voice of Russia: N...
[07:51:38] <arti> putin: "no no no, mykraine"
[07:51:48] <arti> selective strikes, aaah, like unions!
[07:51:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hydrostor to Stash Energy in Underwater Bags - http://sylnt.us - bags-of-energy
[07:52:03] <arti> :|
[07:52:21] <arti> what's new in crutchy land?
[07:52:23] <Popeidol> are we talking shell as in an explosive munitions fired from artillery, or shell the flat hard thing that clams make?
[07:52:26] <crutchy> 'energy' eh. is that what they call it now?
[07:52:37] <arti> Popeidol: the kind computers run!
[07:52:47] <crutchy> hmm if i got attacked by clams i wouldn't be complaining
[07:52:53] <arti> especially bearded ones
[07:52:58] <Popeidol> ...it's probably a bad idea that I thought of the other two first
[07:52:59] <crutchy> from brazil
[07:53:02] <Popeidol> maybe I'm in the wrong line of ork
[07:53:06] <Popeidol> work
[07:53:07] <Popeidol> balls
[07:53:08] <arti> ork!
[07:53:15] <crutchy> ork--
[07:53:15] <Bender> karma - ork: -1
[07:53:16] <Popeidol> maybe I'm in the wrong line of orc
[07:53:22] <crutchy> nobody likes going to ork
[07:53:33] <Popeidol> s/line/kind
[07:53:34] <exec> <Popeidol> maybe I'm in the wrong kind of orc
[07:53:39] <arti> lol, *cut away to orcs under sauron* "wish we had more meat"
[07:53:39] <crutchy> unless you're work involves clams
[07:53:47] <crutchy> s/wor/or/
[07:53:48] <exec> <crutchy> unless you're ork involves clams
[07:54:17] <crutchy> anyone heard from FoobarBazbot?
[07:54:30] <arti> oh yeah, he's missing
[07:54:31] <ciri> I assumed he's humorbot in disguise.
[07:54:44] <arti> an apt observation
[07:54:53] * arti feeds ciri a cirisnack
[07:55:23] * crutchy feeds ciri some pickled clams
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[07:57:04] <arti> you just like watching that
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[08:04:40] <crutchy> hi aqu4
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[08:14:05] <crutchy> has ncommander turned into a penguin?
[08:14:27] <arti> ^- good submission idea
[08:15:14] <crutchy> or will our illustrious leader be henceforth known as SoyGuest7909?
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[08:17:29] <crutchy> wb aqu4
[08:17:56] <arti> must be tinkering afoot
[08:18:02] * arti is going to read
[08:18:09] <arti> still so many tabs to go through...
[08:18:15] <crutchy> .cheers
[08:18:25] <arti> have a good one crutchy
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[10:12:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:12:03] <Bender> karma - coffee: 364
[10:22:39] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:22:40] <Bender> karma - coffee: 365
[10:23:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> i miss anything good over the weekend?
[10:23:46] <crutchy> i had a haircut. it was wild. you should have been here
[10:24:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds about like sunday's fishing
[10:24:24] <crutchy> oh, and i think there was some kind of servery changeovery thingy
[10:24:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but that went well so it was boring
[10:25:43] <crutchy> yes, paulej72's performance was very substandard as we didn't get the crisis we were hoping for and expecting :-P
[10:26:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> zactly, where's my earth-shattering kaboom?
[10:27:16] <crutchy> we're a news organization dammit! we need news! and no news is good news, cos only bad news is good news! now go out and wrecck something or you're fired!
[10:27:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[10:28:54] <crutchy> we did have a couple of casualties
[10:29:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh?
[10:29:12] <crutchy> sedbot seems to have gone to heaven
[10:29:23] <crutchy> and ncommander is lost in SoyGuest space
[10:29:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> har
[10:31:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Whither Cray? - http://sylnt.us - Seymour-Bits
[10:32:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> good question. they used to make some fun iron.
[10:32:25] <crutchy> andd nice chairs
[10:33:07] <crutchy> a little pricey though. not the sort you want the kids spilling their brekky all over
[10:36:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> do they make a kind that you want kids spilling stuff on?
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[11:21:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin twice, rand_
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[11:33:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Bytram
[11:33:47] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: g'day!
[11:33:54] <Bytram> whazzup?
[11:34:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> pondering #59 and remembering i'm a code monkey not a UI guy
[11:34:58] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: add 1 and divide by 5
[11:35:07] <Bytram> makes a nice even dozen.
[11:35:16] <Bytram> doesn't help the bug, but it's still nice.
[11:35:17] <Bytram> =)
[11:35:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> also updating issues on the issue tracker
[11:35:29] <Bytram> btw, what is #59?
[11:36:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> styling of blockquote elements
[11:37:10] <Bytram> hrmmmm
[11:38:42] <Bytram> what do they want? we already add indentation (well, the element naturally does that)
[11:39:21] <Azrael> make it blink!!
[11:39:35] <Bytram> Azrael: LOL!
[11:39:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> beats me, paule also wants <quote> to work.
[11:39:59] <Bytram> <marquee> <blink> FTW </blink> </marquee>
[11:40:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> i expect they want to throw some fancy css at it and make it more purdy but i don't do purdy
[11:40:57] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: quote is intended for "relatively" short pieces of quoted text, generally used in-line whereas blockquote is intended for longer extracts that extend to a paragraph or more.
[11:41:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, since when do users ever use anything how it's intended though? screwdriver as an icepick anyone?
[11:41:42] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: now you're gonna make me go look up the bug...
[11:41:54] <Bytram> isn't that what they're for?
[11:42:05] * Bytram stabs a user with a screwdriver
[11:42:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, it's a css issue. belongs to someone who isn't a code monkey.
[11:42:45] * Bytram was a code orangutang once
[11:43:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you're studying up to be our resident mysql genius, yeah?
[11:43:38] <Bytram> more like resident idiot.
[11:44:04] <Bytram> I once did a quite a bit with SQL but that was a long time ago.
[11:44:23] <Bytram> know the general concepts and can generally, eventually, bludgeon it into doing what I want.
[11:44:36] <Bytram> is definitely a different mindset from procedural programming!
[11:44:49] <Bytram> btw... on quotes:
[11:44:58] <Bytram> in the default style sheet:
[11:45:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> feel like figuring out the issues with converting the db up to utf8mb4? there are supposedly length issues.
[11:45:15] <Bytram> blockquote, quote {font-style: italic}
[11:45:19] <Bytram> should do it.
[11:45:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, yeah, that was basically my thinking
[11:46:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> that or make the color #0A0A0A instead of #000000
[11:47:18] <Bytram> it's not clear from the bug report
[11:47:28] <Bytram> whether they are talking about strictly on the main page or
[11:47:35] <Bytram> in the comments, too.
[11:47:43] <Bytram> since it is supported in both places
[11:47:47] <Bytram> I guess both should get it.
[11:47:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's par for the course. if issues were fully fleshed out i dunno what i'd do.
[11:48:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably start riverdancing.
[11:48:36] <Bytram> btw, I don't like using color to set things off... people with disability issues. use the italic and then whatever accomodations they have in place will work with that, too.
[11:48:53] * Bytram reels with the thought
[11:48:54] <Bytram> =)
[11:49:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> readers really should just say the blockquote tags. save everyone some headache.
[11:50:06] <Bytram> howso?
[11:51:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> no worries about styling for blind folks to know it's a quoted block of text on account of it outright says "blockquote. stuff. slash blockquote."
[11:51:06] <ciri> Biscuit says wahat?
[11:51:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> or "end of blockquote" or whatever
[11:51:37] <Bytram> btw, after a quick look, I didn't see *any* style tags for quote/blockquote being applied for a blockquote on a story on the main page atm
[11:52:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, mostly going to be in user comments i expect.
[11:52:24] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: not just blind folk, colorblind, too.
[11:52:26] <Bytram> otoh,
[11:52:54] <Bytram> wwhat is the customary treatment for quoted text? like chicago manual of style, etc
[11:53:15] <Bytram> we should go with something like what is customary out in the "real" world.
[11:53:16] <Bytram> brb
[11:56:05] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: one thing, it's not <quote>. Seems like it should be <q>
[11:58:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, i know it was quote a while back. wonder why it changed.
[11:59:49] <Bytram> from: http://www.w3.org
[11:59:58] <Bytram> BLOCKQUOTE is for long quotations (block-level content) and Q is intended for short quotations (inline content) that don't require paragraph breaks.
[12:00:10] <monopoly> ^ 03Paragraphs, Lines, and Phrases
[12:01:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> saw that but <quote> has been around and used on numerous sites for a long time.
[12:01:23] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: ugggh. take a look at the above link. there's issues with quotation marks, especially with nested quotes, among other things.
[12:01:53] <Azrael> default style everything as basic inline text and no other distinguishing format. Then all users write their own stylesheets to make it look however they want. fixed.
[12:02:13] <Azrael> ^^ for every single website :D
[12:02:38] <Bytram> n nod
[12:02:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> Azrael, excellent idea.
[12:02:52] <Bytram> hmmm, this might be apropos from the same source:
[12:02:53] <Bytram> Note. We recommend that style sheet implementations provide a mechanism for inserting quotation marks before and after a quotation delimited by BLOCKQUOTE in a manner appropriate to the current language context and the degree of nesting of quotations.
[12:02:53] <Bytram> However, as some authors have used BLOCKQUOTE merely as a mechanism to indent text, in order to preserve the intention of the authors, user agents should not insert quotation marks in the default style.
[12:02:53] <Bytram> The usage of BLOCKQUOTE to indent text is deprecated in favor of style sheets.
[12:03:14] <Bytram> note the distinction between
[12:03:32] <Bytram> "style sheet implementations" and "user agents"
[12:04:25] <Azrael> if you just want some random css styling for blockquote, http://css-tricks.com has some nice examples
[12:04:42] <Bytram> so, it's a total rat's nest dealing with quotation marks in nested quotations. :(
[12:04:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya well, i'm not in favor of letting users upload stylesheets so they can quote someone. they get blockquote or nothing.
[12:05:21] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I can set up user-level styles in my browser. for example, see "Stylish" for ff
[12:05:43] <Bytram> the issue comes up with *nested* quotes.
[12:05:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, so can i but for uniformity they'd have to upload them and we'd have to serve them
[12:06:24] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: here's the deal. the bug report is incomplete.
[12:06:47] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: we need a specification of what is expected in the cases where there are
[12:07:07] <Bytram> single/nexted <blockquote> and/or <q> elements
[12:07:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, we don't need anything. we're on the codemonkey team.
[12:07:23] <Bytram> close it as non-reproducible
[12:07:35] <Bytram> I don't see anything wrong here.
[12:07:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's a UI thing that someone who can match their pants to their shirt needs to deal with.
[12:07:36] <Bytram> =)
[12:08:24] <Bytram> it starts to get REALLY interesting when the quoted text contains things like <em> and <i>
[12:09:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly be best to just set it dark grey and maybe a shaded border on the left
[12:09:19] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[12:09:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know i'm bored when i'm actually discussing ui issues
[12:09:40] <Bytram> looks like paulej72 submitted the bug, and ncommander added to it, I'd say it's quite alright for them to better explain what they want to see.
[12:09:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> check again, is a response from me
[12:10:37] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:10:46] <Bytram> what about nested quotes?
[12:11:01] <Bytram> de-italicize and de-darkgray it.
[12:11:47] <Bytram> blockquote blockquote {font-style: normal; color: hrrrrmmmmmmm}
[12:11:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'why a bit of css shading on the left of the <p> is probably the way to go. no nested issues.
[12:11:55] <Bytram> there's user-selectable themese
[12:12:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Floyd-Steinberg Dithered Sine-Wave Loom-Band Wristbands - http://sylnt.us - Applied-Macrame
[12:12:18] <Bytram> themes that have different color schemes; background color and color modified significantly
[12:12:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> right but we only have a few of them
[12:12:38] <Bytram> try "Night Mode" and see how well dark-gray would work.
[12:12:48] <Bytram> at the moment, yes
[12:12:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> picking a color isn't an all day job or anything
[12:13:32] <Bytram> but how do you *restore* the incoming color when you are in a *nested* q/blockquote?
[12:13:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> ?
[12:14:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> you don't restore or unrestore anything, you just put a theme appropriate bar out to the left of the <p>
[12:14:19] <Bytram> user has the default color scheme in effect, okay? (black text on white background)
[12:14:30] <chromas> Didn't there used to be a group of style experts here? I think one was also the voting expert
[12:15:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, used to be, may still be.
[12:15:15] <Bytram> then the user enters a comment: I read <blockquote> here's a long buncha text to blockquote</blockquote>
[12:15:39] <Bytram> the buncha text, as you propose, would be italic and dark-gray on white.
[12:16:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, skip itallic and color change. just put a colored border on the left of the blockquote with css
[12:16:22] <Bytram> now consider: He said <blockquote> some text that refers to some other text: <blockquote> here's the referenced text</blockquote> </blockquote>
[12:17:00] <Bytram> the inner-most blockquote should be returned to the incoming color and non-italicized text
[12:17:44] <Bytram> tn consider what you'd have to do if the user selected the night-mode theme
[12:17:51] <Bytram> hmmm
[12:18:25] <Bytram> I supose that would mean that the handling of quotes would need to be defined/overridden in the various theme's styles.
[12:18:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> nested blockquotes would have nested indentation and a visible left border
[12:18:29] <chromas> :) make the italics a percentage, so each level, the text leans over ever farther
[12:18:37] <Bytram> lol
[12:18:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> no.... you just shade the left border to match the theme
[12:19:05] <Bytram> hmmm, sounds interesting... how'd you do *that*?
[12:19:39] <chromas> Border color is css
[12:19:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> i forget, something like border-left:1px
[12:19:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> or however many looks good
[12:20:07] <Bytram> ok... in that case, I suggest 42
[12:21:24] <Azrael> if you just want to shade the outermost blockquote and not any inner ones.. something like:
[12:21:27] <Azrael> blockquote {border-left: 2px solid red; padding-left:4px;}
[12:21:28] <ciri> Can you look at this cherry red ass! I'm obviously a mandrill!
[12:21:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm tempted to put in a pull request with it set to 200 in bright-ass yellow
[12:21:30] <Azrael> blockquote > blockquote {border-left: 0;padding-left:0;}
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[12:21:47] <Bytram> LOL!
[12:21:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, NCommander
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[12:22:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin again NCommander
[12:22:01] <Bytram> NCommander: g'morning!!!!!
[12:22:03] <NCommander> I guess the IRC server migration was successful
[12:22:08] <Bytram> NCommander: nope.
[12:22:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like
[12:22:11] <Bytram> =)
[12:23:18] <NCommander> I'm going to go buy a bike today
[12:23:22] <NCommander> I want to be SkinnyCommander
[12:24:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> i thought about that but realized i'm old and everyone can just suck it if they mind me being 20lbs heaver than i oughta be.
[12:24:18] <Bytram> NCommander: just use the /nick command
[12:24:41] <chromas> 20?
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[12:24:50] * chromas ducks
[12:24:55] <SkinnyCommander> see? It's easy! =)
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[12:25:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> 180 now, 160 at 18.
[12:25:23] <Bytram> you got 25 on me
[12:25:35] <Bytram> oops, 180 now? you got 45 on me
[12:25:52] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:25:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 366
[12:25:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya well, i'm also 5'6"
[12:26:27] * NCommander is 5'10, ~230 pounds
[12:26:50] <Bytram> NCommander: btw, TheMightyBuzzard and I were discussing but #59 and if you scroll back, there's some edge cases it would be helpful to know what the expectations are.
[12:27:24] <NCommander> Bytram, context needed
[12:27:28] * NCommander is kinda moving slowly
[12:27:33] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:27:36] <Bytram> hold on a sec
[12:27:47] <Bytram> see: https://github.com
[12:27:50] * NCommander has been suffering a bad case of burnout :-(
[12:27:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> no no no, nevermind #59. it can die in a fire. need unicode pull cleaned so everyone can rebase and start getting more work done that won't require massive merging.
[12:28:09] <monopoly> ^ 03blockquote and quote need to be styled · Issue #59 · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
[12:28:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> slow, monopoly
[12:28:28] <Bytram> Outer text <blockquote> first level quote <blockquote> second level quote </blockquote> </blockquote>
[12:28:42] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nod nod!!!!
[12:29:01] <Bytram> maybe we need a duopoly?
[12:29:27] <Bytram> afk back in 5-10 minutes.
[12:30:05] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, as I said, burnout -_-;
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[12:31:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. bad or minor enough we'll still make a 14.08 release?
[12:32:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause if it's really bad we'd probably better stick paulej72 with the merging of it and let you get your head-clearing done.
[12:33:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> i recommend copious amounts of alcohol, fishing, and at least weekly trips to the nudie bar.
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[12:36:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, sposed to be some badass fishing up there.
[12:39:12] <Bytram> back
[12:39:47] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: it's coming back to me... I think I had something to do with #59 and the intention was that it needed italics for blockquoted text.
[12:40:16] <Bytram> give me a bit to come up with a test case to flesh out my thoughts; I can prolly come up with an implementation, too.
[12:41:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, oh hey. i gave getting slash running on apache2/mod_perl2 a try last week. ran into two bits of c in slash-specific modules that require mod_perl1 header files. otherwise made pretty good progress.
[12:43:35] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[12:43:35] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 20
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[12:44:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> apparently they got it done for /. a couple years ago. can't be that hard for us to.
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[12:48:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll look at that again this AM. maybe i can get them converted to pure perl and get apache to start today
[12:50:14] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: re: 59; looks like slash does not support a "quote" element; just blockquote:
[12:50:15] <Bytram> Allowed HTML
[12:50:15] <Bytram> <b> <i> <p> <br> <a> <ol> <ul> <li> <dl> <dt> <dd> <em> <strong> <tt> <blockquote> <div> <ecode>
[12:50:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg, not hard to change
[12:50:38] <stderr> I'm too lazy to write a submission myself, but... https://www.debian.org
[12:50:39] <monopoly> ^ 03Debian -- News -- Updated Debian 7: 7.6 released ( 20140712.en.html )
[12:50:50] <Bytram> agreed, but do we really want to?
[12:51:05] <Bytram> I have not seen a need for a <q> element, so far.
[12:51:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't really care personally
[12:51:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> i say just treat quote/blockquote/q all the same
[12:52:01] <stderr> When do we need <dl>, <dt> and <dd>?
[12:52:13] <crutchy> wow. i only soozed for couple of hours. g'day Bytram, stderr
[12:52:14] <stderr> Or <div>?
[12:52:19] <Bytram> stderr: I use it *extensively* in my utf-8 tests
[12:52:28] <crutchy> *snoozed
[12:52:30] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: see: http://soylentnews.org
[12:52:30] <monopoly> ^ 04SN journal 03 Bug #59 tests 04(0 comments):
[12:52:40] <Bytram> crutchy: g'day!
[12:52:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> <div> is kind of weird to allow, but isn't <dd> just and indent character?
[12:52:45] <Bytram> ~weather crutchy
[12:53:09] <chromas> dd is for definitions
[12:53:18] <Bytram> AndyTheAbsurd: nope. dl==definition list; dt==definition term; dd==definition description
[12:53:33] <Bytram> ~weather !crutchy
[12:53:42] <crutchy> wow no exec? pr it brainfarted?
[12:53:51] <crutchy> *or
[12:54:01] * crutchy opens term
[12:54:21] * Bytram turns on his fan to drive away the smell
[12:54:30] <chromas> crutchy: s/ / /g
[12:54:31] <stderr> Bytram: Ok, but when do _we_ need them?
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[12:55:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> stderr, we don't need any tags really but they're pretty much harmless.
[12:55:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> and handy for formatting
[12:55:55] <crutchy> dunno what happed there. just restarted it for good measure
[12:56:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[12:56:10] <Bytram> crutchy++
[12:56:10] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 75
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[12:56:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[12:56:18] <ciri> ~Weather st petersberg.
[12:56:21] <Bytram> ~weather crutchy
[12:56:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> you broke it, crutchy
[12:56:33] <mrcool> ~weather Melbourne
[12:56:37] <exec> process timed out: TheMightyBuzzard
[12:56:39] <exec> process timed out: st petersberg.
[12:56:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> fix it so i don't have to glance up at the thermostat
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[12:56:52] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: g'day!
[12:56:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin mrcoolbp
[12:56:56] <crutchy> 2014-07-14 22:56:37 > :exec PRIVMSG #Soylent :process timed out: TheMightyBuzzard
[12:56:58] <mrcoolbp> hey guys
[12:57:04] <stderr> TheMightyBuzzard: Has anyone ever seriously used <div> to format a comment? Do you allow <table>, <tr>, <th> and <td> too?
[12:57:09] <crutchy> hmm
[12:57:13] * mrcoolbp is barely functional today
[12:57:14] <exec> process timed out: crutchy
[12:57:15] <exec> process timed out: process timed out: TheMightyBuzzard
[12:57:15] <exec> process timed out: process timed out: st petersberg.
[12:57:18] <Bytram> stderr: no table stuff.
[12:57:22] <exec> Weather for Melbourne Regional Office, VIC, Australia at 2014-07-14 11:00:00 (UTC) ~ 2 hrs ago:
[12:57:23] <exec> temperature = 50.5°F (10.3°C) dewpoint = 40.1°F (4.5°C)
[12:57:23] <exec> barometric pressure = 1025.8 mb ~ change of -0.8 mb over past 3 hrs relative humdity = 67%
[12:57:23] <exec> wind speed = (no data) wind direction = 0°
[12:57:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> no tables and i've seen nobody using div but i could check the db
[12:57:39] <mrcoolbp> heh, exec likes me better = )
[12:57:40] <AndyTheAbsurd> wait how gave it "st petersberg"?
[12:57:43] <Bytram> I've not seen <div> used... dunno about that one.
[12:57:48] <AndyTheAbsurd> because uh you spelled it wrong.
[12:57:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather TheMightyBuzzard
[12:57:52] <exec> Weather for Ada, Ada Municipal Airport, OK, United States at 2014-07-14 12:15:00 (UTC) ~ 0.7 hrs ago:
[12:57:53] <exec> temperature = 77°F (25°C) dewpoint = 69.8°F (21°C)
[12:57:53] <exec> barometric pressure = 1015.9 mb ~ change of 0 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 78%
[12:57:53] <exec> wind speed = 4 mph (6.4 km/h) wind direction = 170°
[12:57:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas better
[12:58:13] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~weather KSPG
[12:58:13] <Bytram> ~weather PWM
[12:58:15] <exec> Weather for St Petersburg, FL US at 2014-07-14 12:30:00 (UTC) ~ 0.5 hrs ago:
[12:58:16] <exec> temperature = 79°F (26.1°C) dewpoint = 75.8°F (24.3°C)
[12:58:16] <exec> barometric pressure = 1018.5 mb ~ change of 0.1 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 89%
[12:58:16] <stderr> Maybe it's just me, but I would say blacklist tags by default and only whitelist the few tags that are useful.
[12:58:17] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 51°
[12:58:17] <exec> Weather for Portland, OR US at 2014-07-14 12:25:00 (UTC) ~ 0.6 hrs ago:
[12:58:17] <exec> temperature = 61°F (16.1°C) dewpoint = 55.8°F (13.2°C)
[12:58:18] <exec> barometric pressure = 1023.7 mb ~ change of 0 mb over past 0.2 hrs relative humdity = 83%
[12:58:18] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 180°
[12:58:33] <Bytram> LOL! PWM is NOT in Oregon!
[12:58:40] <crutchy> lol
[12:58:46] <Bytram> ~weather Portland, Maine
[12:58:47] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~weather KPWM
[12:58:49] <exec> Weather for Portland, ME US at 2014-07-14 12:16:00 (UTC) ~ 0.7 hrs ago:
[12:58:50] <exec> temperature = 72°F (22.2°C) dewpoint = 70.2°F (21.2°C)
[12:58:50] <exec> barometric pressure = 1016.8 mb ~ change of 0.2 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 93%
[12:58:50] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 241°
[12:58:51] <exec> Weather for Portland, OR US at 2014-07-14 12:25:00 (UTC) ~ 0.6 hrs ago:
[12:58:51] <exec> temperature = 61°F (16.1°C) dewpoint = 55.8°F (13.2°C)
[12:58:51] <exec> barometric pressure = 1023.7 mb ~ change of 0 mb over past 0.2 hrs relative humdity = 83%
[12:58:52] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 180°
[12:59:05] <stderr> E.g. a, b, code, em, i, li, ol, quote and ul... I think that's it.
[12:59:15] <stderr> Ah, tt too.
[12:59:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, fix #59 so we can stop having devs arguing over UI stuff please? we suck at it and get way too debuggy.
[12:59:38] <crutchy> maybe internet had a brainfart or something
[12:59:40] <stderr> And p and br...
[12:59:42] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: lemme take a look
[12:59:48] <crutchy> i dunno what happened there
[12:59:54] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I'm on it. I've got a test case to cover the permutations... give me a bit to implement.
[13:00:02] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: ^^
[13:00:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, we been debating the best way to handle blockquotes for over an hour and have now branched out into debating allowed tags in comments.
[13:01:10] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: link me when you're done, I'll make the executive decision
[13:01:15] * mrcoolbp makes coffee
[13:01:30] <mrcoolbp> Bytram, TheMightyBuzzard, thanks
[13:01:38] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: It's come back to me; the original idea was to use italics; upon further thought (now) I realized there were potential issues.
[13:02:10] <Bytram> I've got a couple test cases that cover most things: http://soylentnews.org
[13:02:11] <monopoly> ^ 04SN journal 03 Bug #59 tests 04(0 comments):
[13:02:25] <Bytram> now I'm gonna play with some local styles to see what we want it to do.
[13:02:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> i still say just an appropriately colored border-left:4px; or something on the blockquotes would be sufficient to close it.
[13:02:56] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, seriously? I fucking love you.
[13:03:03] <NCommander> That's bene on my todo forever but ... ETIME
[13:03:24] <crutchy> ~sed on
[13:03:25] <exec> sed enabled for 8#Soylent
[13:03:45] <crutchy> s/d/x/
[13:03:46] <exec> <crutchy> ~sex on
[13:03:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, i'm suck at c though, so those are likely to be show-stoppers unless they're easy to convert to perl.
[13:04:05] <chromas> ~sed on: apply directly to the forehead
[13:05:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, evil! i'd completely forgotten about that.
[13:06:25] <crutchy> one for the irc boffins:
[13:06:26] <ciri> Title: mac app store - textual irc client.
[13:06:37] <crutchy> @chat.soylentnews.org:
[13:06:54] <crutchy> [23:04] -irc.sylnt.us- *** Found your hostname
[13:06:55] <crutchy> [23:04] == CGI:IRC host/IP set to li418-95.members.linode.com 50.116.18.95
[13:06:55] <crutchy> [23:04] == ERROR: Closing Link: li418-95.members.linode.com (Too many host connections (local))
[13:08:03] <Bytram> apropos fund-raising: http://go.theregister.com
[13:08:04] <monopoly> ^ 03XSS marks the spot: PayPal portal peril plugged • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
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[13:08:25] <chromas> ciri: you're quoting robots now
[13:12:05] <stderr> Bytram: Small heads up, if you have already noticed: http://soylentnews.org says that it contains "q" elements, but document.getElementsByTagName("q"); doesn't find any.
[13:12:05] <monopoly> ^ 04SN journal 03 Bug #59 tests 04(0 comments):
[13:12:06] <monopoly> ^ 04SN journal 03 Bug #59 tests 04(0 comments):
[13:12:29] <stderr> monopoly: You're in stereo.
[13:12:58] <chromas> Perhaps there's a bot bug going around
[13:14:10] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: are you still working on permutations/examples for my review?
[13:14:23] * mrcoolbp stumbles over to the now full coffee machine
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[13:16:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com
[13:17:58] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: yup
[13:18:22] <Bytram> stderr: thanks for that; yes, I noticed.
[13:19:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, q isn't on our approved tags list
[13:20:18] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: I like the idea of aliasing q/quote/blockquote
[13:20:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, would save sanity
[13:20:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:20:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 367
[13:20:59] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: I disagree. they have different semantics.
[13:21:08] <mrcoolbp> unless we have a dire need for more then one type...
[13:21:24] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: well make your case with the examples then = )
[13:21:45] <chromas> /. uses quote for blockquote
[13:21:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> see above link on my feelings on quote formatting
[13:22:27] <Bytram> I could see a use for them, say, in submitting a story which includes a one-sentence sound bite (which would use <q>) versus a two-paragraph extraction from an article (which would use <blockquote>)
[13:22:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> maybe shorten padding-left to 0.5em
[13:23:04] * Bytram ponders
[13:23:56] <exec> process timed out: unless we have a dire need for more then one type...
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[13:24:16] <Bytram> afk brb
[13:24:23] <Bytram> 5 min
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[13:28:30] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, when I attempted it, I think you can strip out most of the C
[13:28:32] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: why wouldn't we just use regular " symbol?
[13:28:36] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, since its not required for mod_perl
[13:28:38] <NCommander> 2
[13:28:48] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, make sure you use Apache 2.2/mod_perl 2, and not hte experimental 2.4 branch
[13:28:59] <Bytram> back...
[13:29:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, tried. apache won't start and bitches about the missing xs module
[13:29:28] <Bytram> we do not support the <q> element; so just need to support <blockquote> so...
[13:30:12] <Bytram> if I italicize blockquote, I need to hand elements that, by default, italicize text; e.g. <em> stuff </em>
[13:30:16] <Bytram> is there anything else?
[13:31:15] <mrcoolbp> bytram, not sure I understand, you want blockquote to be italicised by default?
[13:31:29] <mrcoolbp> I'm not sure that's necessary TBH
[13:31:43] <mrcoolbp> but I'm willing to hear the thoughts on it
[13:32:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm firmly against format-changing the text itself. leads to madness if the user tries to do the same.
[13:32:44] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: You mentioned changing the "border" color?
[13:32:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com
[13:33:05] <mrcoolbp> oooooh, me like
[13:33:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> userstyle in stylish
[13:33:59] * mrcoolbp is waiting on Bytram's further examples but he is liking that link TMB just posted
[13:34:18] * Bytram is undercaffienated and is considering
[13:35:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> blockquote {
[13:35:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> border-left:4px #909090 solid !important;
[13:35:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> border-radius:2px;
[13:35:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> padding-left:0.5em;} #Tweak to your heart's contentment.
[13:35:27] <Bytram> According to: http://www.w3.org "Visual user agents generally render BLOCKQUOTE as an indented block."
[13:35:28] <monopoly> ^ 03Paragraphs, Lines, and Phrases
[13:35:35] <Bytram> we already *do* that.
[13:35:43] <Bytram> I say, close it as "not a bug"
[13:36:12] <Bytram> adding the border makes it confusing when used in user-comments that are already nested with respect to other comments.
[13:36:29] * mrcoolbp disagrees
[13:36:57] <mrcoolbp> although I think the blockquote already stands fine by itself with just the indent
[13:37:37] <mrcoolbp> I think the border improves on that
[13:37:43] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: *exactly*! that's why I say we already do what the blockquote element is supposed to do: "render as an indented block"
[13:37:43] <mrcoolbp> makes it obvious
[13:38:23] <mrcoolbp> bytram, what I'm toying with is doing *something* other the indent as well, otherwise the element should be called <indent>
[13:38:48] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: I disagree. consider a comment in which a user has a blockquote. We use a border to indicated nesting of comments; adding a border to indicated blockquotes would make it confusing.
[13:39:26] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: it's not just the appearance; blockquote carries *semantic* information; the style sheet controls the presentation.
[13:40:07] <mrcoolbp> hmmm
[13:41:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Unusually Huge School of Anchovies Visits Scripps Pier - http://sylnt.us - Please-don't-merge!
[13:41:51] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: for example, the "<p>" element denotes a paragraph. I can apply style elements to it to, for example, indent the first line 5 characters. that is *presentation*.
[13:42:11] * mrcoolbp understands that concept
[13:42:19] <Bytram> good good
[13:42:38] <chromas> Could also change the background to just a shade darker (of lighter for dark theme)
[13:42:55] <chromas> or
[13:43:11] <chromas> (asterisk)
[13:43:15] <Bytram> when this bug was first discussed, I was under the (mistaken) assumption that blockquoted text was supposed to be italicized. Upon further reading in the HTML 4.0 spec, it appears that indentation is the expected presentation.
[13:44:49] <mrcoolbp> and I agree with that
[13:44:58] <mrcoolbp> chromas has a good idea
[13:45:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> background color alteration?
[13:45:13] <mrcoolbp> yes
[13:45:18] * TheMightyBuzzard gives it a spin
[13:45:27] <mrcoolbp> thans TMB
[13:45:30] <mrcoolbp> thanks
[13:45:47] <Bytram> that *sounds* nice, but how will we handle different "themes" (like night mode)?
[13:45:52] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard I'm trying to give you something to work with here: http://dev.soylentnews.org
[13:45:53] <ciri> [Soylentnews] - tesla s road trip report - http://www.youtube.com (working title obviously.
[13:45:53] <monopoly> ^ 04SN (dev) article 03 Zizbans 3rd test story 04(2 comments):
[13:45:53] <monopoly> ^ 03TUNES - YouTube
[13:45:55] <stderr> What I currently do on my new site is "opacity: 0.5;".
[13:46:08] <stderr> 0.75 might work better. I haven't decided yet.
[13:46:11] <mrcoolbp> that might work ^
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[13:46:34] <Bytram> stderr: ohhhh. Hmm, that sounds interesting!
[13:47:11] <Bytram> stderr: I've not played with that attribute before; does that make the text "softer/lighter" ??
[13:47:11] <stderr> With 0.5, the third blockquote is almost gone...
[13:47:39] <stderr> You could say that.
[13:48:39] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard I have a few nested comments with a few nested quotes here: http://dev.soylentnews.org
[13:48:40] <monopoly> ^ 04SN (dev) article 03 Zizbans 3rd test story 04(3 comments):
[13:48:40] * Bytram starts playing with it in his test code
[13:48:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> opacity issue: nested blockquotes applies it multiplicatively
[13:49:12] * NCommander is trying to find his writing ability
[13:49:16] <NCommander> Anyone seen it in the lost and found?
[13:49:20] * mrcoolbp checks
[13:49:24] <mrcoolbp> nope.
[13:49:33] <stderr> I don't know what the "normal" max-depth for <blockquote>s are, but as I said, with opacity: 0.5, level 3 is almost completely gone, so I just decided on opacity: 0.75 for my own site.
[13:49:36] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: are you sure you didn't leave it in Boston?
[13:49:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, have you checked the fridge? I'm always leaving the remote there.
[13:49:40] * Bytram polka dots... not here, either. sorry!
[13:50:24] <stderr> TheMightyBuzzard: Yes, that's why level 3 is almost gone with 0.5. But it looks "good". :-)
[13:50:42] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: are you able to do a board meeting tonight?
[13:50:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> stderr, nod nod
[13:51:12] <mrcoolbp> NCommander I'm unable to tomorrow, my schedule was changed
[13:51:59] <Bytram> stderr: I like the effect; 0.5 is too much; 0.75 looks pretty good; am gonna try now with reversed; white text on black background
[13:52:49] <stderr> Bytram: I can already tell you 0.75 is working with white on black.
[13:53:19] <Bytram> yup; that looks pretty good, too!
[13:53:31] <stderr> Try lime on black. :-)
[13:53:55] <Bytram> no thanks; I'm more of a cyan on black kind of guy. ;)
[13:54:46] <Bytram> stderr: LOL! Lime reminds me of my old-scholl green screen days!
[13:55:10] <stderr> There's a reason I use lime on black on one of my sites. :-)
[13:55:28] <stderr> And why I still seriously consider it for my new site.
[13:55:31] * Bytram once coded directly in 3270 terminal codes
[13:55:58] <Bytram> phenomenal contrast (green is near center of our visual range)
[13:56:26] <mrcoolbp> probably why they decided on green, /me hated the yellow ones...
[13:57:23] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: so, upon reflection, if we agree that some kind of visual distinction is desirable for blockquote, I toss my vote in for: blockquote {opacity: 0.75;}
[13:57:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, background color altering kinda looks like butt but 0.75 looks good
[13:57:33] <Bytram> I suspect that in, say, Lynx, it would have no effect
[13:58:05] * mrcoolbp is ready to render a final verdict
[13:58:14] <mrcoolbp> can we see an example?
[13:58:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, of background color?
[13:59:00] <mrcoolbp> nah the .75
[14:01:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.dropbox.com
[14:01:25] <monopoly> ^ 03Dropbox - 404
[14:01:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> 404 my hairy white butt
[14:02:40] <chromas> Must not like my UA string
[14:02:58] <chromas> Mmmm, urinalysis
[14:03:01] <mrcoolbp> bytram: check TMB's link above
[14:03:31] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: on my way
[14:04:48] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: so, is that strictly opacity stuff?
[14:04:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[14:04:59] <Bytram> 0.75?
[14:05:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[14:05:14] <Bytram> looks good to me. go for it!
[14:05:22] * mrcoolbp approves
[14:05:42] <Bytram> my only concern would be with old browsers, but I suspect it would be no worse than what we have now.
[14:05:49] * stderr doesn't... After all, it was my idea.
[14:05:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, you wanna approve the pull or write the request?
[14:05:51] <Bytram> as it uold still have the indentation
[14:06:04] <Bytram> stderr: well done! thanks a bunch!
[14:06:07] <Bytram> stderr++
[14:06:07] <Bender> karma - stderr: 40
[14:06:12] <Bytram> !uid
[14:06:12] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4548, owned by Johneh
[14:06:17] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: for dev?
[14:06:25] <stderr> I can haz 2 more?
[14:06:33] * chromas pays stderr ome hundred Soylent Moneys
[14:06:43] * mrcoolbp would like to hammer it on dev with multiple browsers
[14:06:46] <Bytram> nah, then you'd know too much and we'd have to shoot you.
[14:06:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, we can put it on dev but i was talking about putting it on github
[14:07:07] <Bytram> hey, time for me to start getting ready for my day.
[14:07:14] <Bytram> iz been fun!
[14:07:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, adios
[14:07:19] <mrcoolbp> thanks bytram
[14:07:37] <Bytram> I'll be back before I leave.
[14:07:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, da boss man don't want me merging my own pull requests
[14:07:46] Bytram is now known as Bytram|afk
[14:08:27] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: I'd like to see it on dev first and test before I approve
[14:08:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[14:08:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> branch it is then
[14:08:46] * mrcoolbp hasn't approved any pull requests yet and would like to wait for paulej72
[14:09:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, be a few. gotta fire up the vm and create a branch and find the css where it needs to live and etc...
[14:10:01] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard, cool, I'm gonna take a break, Be back a bit later. Thanks!
[14:12:15] <Bytram|afk> oh, two things...
[14:12:18] <Bytram|afk> stderr++
[14:12:18] <Bender> karma - stderr: 41
[14:12:19] <Bytram|afk> stderr++
[14:12:19] <Bender> karma - stderr: 42
[14:12:23] <Bytram|afk> there yago!
[14:12:24] <Bytram|afk> and...
[14:12:33] <stderr> Wohoo!
[14:12:47] <Bytram|afk> I've got a large, static page with about 100-200 <tr>'s in it...
[14:13:16] <Bytram|afk> am looking for a way (jquery is okay) to hide/show records containing word(s) entered in a form field.
[14:13:18] <ciri> The nfc (near field communication) cards are cool too.
[14:13:31] <Bytram|afk> any ideas/examples on how I can do that?
[14:13:47] <crutchy> explode
[14:14:21] <crutchy> and in_array
[14:14:23] <Bytram|afk> mrcoolbp: see ya!
[14:18:54] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I can
[14:20:06] <Bytram|afk> crutchy: I'm kinda new at jquery; could you please point me at an example or two?
[14:20:27] <crutchy> jquery? sorry my idea was phpoo
[14:20:29] <crutchy> :-P
[14:20:52] <Bytram|afk> sry; needs to be in a single, local file.
[14:21:04] <Bytram|afk> thanks anyway!
[14:21:06] <Bytram|afk> afk
[14:22:01] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: let's do the board meeting tonight at 7pm then
[14:22:03] <chromas> jquery--
[14:22:03] <Bender> karma - jquery: -2
[14:22:33] <crutchy> could run a php script on its own in a terminal, but js might have functions that can do it too. at least its got access to DOM functions
[14:23:06] <stderr> Bytram|afk: Does each <tr> only have one <td> or what?
[14:23:25] <chromas> Browsers should ship with php
[14:23:40] <crutchy> lol there would be an uproar
[14:23:42] <stderr> FSM no...
[14:24:05] <chromas> Better tban ecmascript
[14:24:27] Bytram|afk is now known as Bytram
[14:24:32] <Bytram> back; change in plans
[14:24:37] <crutchy> enemascript?
[14:24:50] <crutchy> oh wait that's js
[14:25:04] <chromas> That's how you keep it clean
[14:25:15] <Bytram> stderr: typically five columns. I'm using jquery to allow sorting of column contents by clikcing on column header text
[14:25:22] <crutchy> js needs lots of cleaning to be clean
[14:25:57] <stderr> Bytram: And the search word can be in any of the columns or just one of them?
[14:26:01] <crutchy> Bytram there's prolly a SO for that
[14:27:02] <Bytram> initially, in just one column. I'd like to generalize to allow user to specify: column, show/hide, search-text
[14:27:32] <Bytram> as I'm the user, for bonus points, the search-text could be a regex
[14:27:41] <Bytram> s/user/primary user/
[14:27:42] <stderr> And you don't use any colspan stuff, right?
[14:27:47] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:28:33] <Bytram> fwiw, I use: jquery.tablesorter.min.js for the column sorting.
[14:28:40] <stderr> I don't do JQuery, but a simple JavaScript version should be pretty easy to make...
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[14:28:53] <stderr> Let me test some stuff...
[14:33:28] <Bytram> nod nod
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[14:42:24] <Bytram> stderr: I misremembered; there's actually links to images and the js. but, I could still send you a copy to play with. pm me with your email addy
[14:45:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, http://dev.soylentnews.org
[14:45:17] <monopoly> ^ 04SN (dev) article 03 Zizbans 3rd test story 04(3 comments):
[14:46:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's live on dev and in a branch but i wrote it in directly rather than deploying so i wouldn't bugger up whatever NCommander had deployed there.
[14:49:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> in other words it's running now but the next deploy by anyone will overwrite it
[14:58:09] <paulej72> NCommander: glad to see you made it to the new digs.
[15:00:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, paulej72
[15:02:21] * TheMightyBuzzard laughs himself silly
[15:02:32] <paulej72> i am in the machine room babysitting a cranky cluster
[15:03:05] <paulej72> reading on my iphone.
[15:03:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> <quote> tags would work fine on live but for two things: 1) they're not on the approved tags list in vars 2) someone put a period before quote in the css.
[15:04:39] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: beware, it would not at all suprise me that there is a class="quote" somewhere out there! :/
[15:05:01] <crutchy> 'night #soylent
[15:05:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> nite crutchy
[15:05:52] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: there is a builtin quote system in slash that i ran across and i wanted to get that working.
[15:05:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, there is and it surrounds quotes
[15:06:12] <Bytram> LOL! *so* creative!
[15:06:46] <paulej72> the styling on blockquote was needed to get all browsers displaying the same thing mostly.
[15:06:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, add quote to approvedtags and approvedtags_break in vars and it will be working on live
[15:07:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> i assume we want them displaying the same as blockquote though?
[15:08:52] <paulej72> the system i remenber seeing allows for a styled qoute of another users comment. it may hsve been a d2 thing though.
[15:09:32] <paulej72> i ran across that a long time ago.
[15:10:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably. there's no method i've seen to quote the previous comments in 1.x
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[15:10:20] <chromas> ~sed on
[15:10:21] <exec> sed enabled for 8#Soylent
[15:10:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> except manually of course
[15:12:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, would require javascript (or reloading the page or a separate "reply with quote" button) which i'm not fantastic at. wouldn't be a bad idea for 14.10 though.
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[15:29:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://dev.soylentnews.org
[15:29:23] <monopoly> ^ 04SN (dev) comment by The Mighty Buzzard (18):
[15:29:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> nested blockquotes inside a quote
[15:31:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> used the default styling of blockquote from mozilla as quote's styling plus the opacity: 0.75 mrcoolbp decided on earlier.
[15:32:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks the same in chromium
[15:32:02] * mrcoolbp returns to take a look
[15:38:18] <NCommander> Ugh
[15:38:21] <NCommander> I can't believe this
[15:38:24] <NCommander> I have writers block
[15:38:25] <NCommander> wtf?
[15:38:51] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard, hmm, I'm trying to go one more level but I seem to hit a limit at level 4
[15:39:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, imagine your keyboard in its underwear?
[15:40:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, hrm, i don't think we have a limit coded in if you're meaning you can't do a four level quote.
[15:40:22] <mrcoolbp> doesn't seem to work
[15:41:19] * NCommander is struggling not to think of inception
[15:41:45] <paulej72> blockquote blockquote {opacity: 100%;}
[15:42:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, http://dev.soylentnews.org
[15:42:27] <monopoly> ^ 04SN (dev) comment by The Mighty Buzzard (18):
[15:42:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, you hating on the opacity?
[15:42:47] * mrcoolbp views souce
[15:43:39] <paulej72> i tkink that should set nested levels to the same as top leve 75%
[15:43:40] <ciri> Vu meter you can get 24 heads to get through crafting levels.
[15:43:57] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: I think it looks good actually
[15:44:12] <mrcoolbp> seperates each level
[15:44:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> cage match to decide?
[15:45:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> "Two devs enter, one dev leaves!"
[15:46:44] <mrcoolbp> well I'm head of "Style" but only as an interim meauser. I'd like to resolve this as we've spent too many damn hours on it. Unless paulej72 wants to override (I'd have no problem with this) I am rendering final decision
[15:46:56] <mrcoolbp> or NCommander could as well
[15:47:11] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[15:47:43] <Woods> "-NerdRPG- Cthulhu decides you can be useful in furthering his divisive ends. You have found the level 93 Linus's final bug-free Ready for the Desktop version of Linux! Your enemies do the three fingered salute in awe." awww snaaaaaap
[15:48:01] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: I'll leave it in paulej72's hands, he can merge or reject
[15:48:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm in wheel spinning mode anyways until the unicode patch is merged. too many things would need manual merging if i worked on them right now.
[15:48:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, nod nod. i'll throw up a pull request then.
[15:49:07] <mrcoolbp> excellent
[15:49:11] <paulej72> NCommander was working on the unicode merge
[15:49:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, ya. he's having burnout issues right now though.
[15:49:33] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: I think he's working on the incorporation story as well
[15:49:41] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I'm fairly sure I'm not going to do the meeting tonight
[15:49:42] <NCommander> Ugh
[15:49:46] <NCommander> I'm really not getting anywhere
[15:49:56] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: can I help maybe?
[15:49:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, delegate, yo.
[15:50:02] <mrcoolbp> = )
[15:50:24] <NCommander> biggest problem is I'm on an inverted sleep schedule, and "trying" to get back to normal
[15:50:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> perks of being da boss: do my crap work, minion!
[15:50:29] <NCommander> which requires staying up
[15:50:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - UK Broadband not Fit for Purpose - http://sylnt.us - federalnaya-sluzhba-bezopasnosti
[15:50:55] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I am extrememly sleep-deprived myself
[15:51:05] <mrcoolbp> and physically exhausted
[15:51:21] * mrcoolbp had a crazy weekend, worked 36 hours and played 2 shows
[15:51:39] * mrcoolbp reaches for the red bull
[15:52:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, i should prolly add the addition of "quote" to those two db vars to the sql files
[15:53:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> so i don't have 30 commits for one issue because i kept forgetting things.
[15:55:51] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: do you have a draft I can look at / expand on?
[16:03:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> awe crap. i did that last rss pull request from master instead of a branch. can't put in another without duplicating the work from it until it's merged or i do some tricky rollbacks.
[16:04:37] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: hmm, my !todo list looks like it was reverted to a earlier version during the migration
[16:06:43] <stderr> Silly JavaScript question: I have a string e.g. s="/./"; and want to use it as a regexp. new RegExp(s) just gives me "//.//" and that's not what I want. Any ideas?
[16:07:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg. mrcoolbp, it'll get pull requested once that rss PR gets cleared or merged so i don't have changes duplicated in multiple pull requests. completely my bad there.
[16:08:28] <mrcoolbp> TheMightyBuzzard: no problem, I was just trying to honor your request: <TheMightyBuzzard> mrcoolbp, fix #59 so we can stop having devs arguing over UI stuff please? we suck at it and get way too debuggy.
[16:09:04] * mrcoolbp goes off to prioritize his todo list for today
[16:09:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, nod nod. bored devs will debug anything, whether it needs it or not
[16:09:12] <mrcoolbp> yup.
[16:09:39] <Bytram> might make a good idea for an ongoing "story"; programming puzzle of the week
[16:10:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, that's a damned fine idea.
[16:10:22] <Bytram> yeah, I been mulling it over for a while.
[16:10:39] <paulej72> stderr: use a different delimiter s###
[16:11:17] <Bytram> Ideally, want something in a langauge that is generally available, but don't want to fall into stuff already covered by stackoverflow, usernet, etc.
[16:11:24] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: can you help TMB with his messy pull requests? = p
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[16:11:45] <paulej72> not right now
[16:12:57] <stderr> paulej72: Huh?
[16:13:10] <mrcoolbp> o sry, I was just messin' around paulej72
[16:13:24] <mrcoolbp> disregard
[16:13:28] <Bytram> stderr: the delimiter for "s" is the first character that appears after the "s" !!!
[16:13:38] <Bytram> s/this/that/ == s#this#that#
[16:14:21] * TheMightyBuzzard half sucks at the javascript and will let other people figure it out
[16:14:27] <Bytram> at least within the sed command; I'm assuming it's similar for you
[16:15:00] <stderr> I fail to see how any of that helps me...
[16:15:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds like he's wanting to eval the scalar in perl terms
[16:15:27] <stderr> s="/./"; and I want to make a regexp. like re=new RegExp(/./);
[16:16:00] <stderr> But re=new RegExp(s); instead gives be something that matches a "/" followed by "a character" and then one more "/".
[16:16:08] <Bytram> stderr: my bad; I went from paulej72's comment and explained it; unfortunately, it does not solve your problem.
[16:16:18] <Bytram> I've got nothin'. Sorry!
[16:19:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> damnit, i want more coffee but if i drink any more my kidneys will hate me.
[16:20:01] <Bytram> An idea: apply a cold facecloth to the forehead and nape of the neck; wakes me up and clears my head.
[16:20:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh i don't need any more wake-up. i'm fair vibrating already. i just like coffee.
[16:21:08] <Bytram> LOL! try decaff, then.
[16:21:22] <Bytram> well, I gtg. time to get ready for the day.
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[16:21:43] <chromas> Swish 'n' spit. Plus it makes you high class
[16:23:02] <stderr> r=new RegExp(s.replace(/^\//,"").replace(/\/i?$/,""),s.replace(/^\/.*\//,"")); WOW! That's not ugly at all...
[16:24:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> use a match instead
[16:25:14] <stderr> What do you mean?
[16:25:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, nah wouldn't work
[16:27:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> perl you can use a match to stuff part of the match in a temp variable(s) and call it as $1($2/3/4/...)
[16:30:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> but... replace(/^\//,"").replace(/\/$/,"") should do it, assuming the $ means end of line like it does in perl
[16:30:38] <stderr> It does work. It's just ugly...
[16:30:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait, brain fart. yeah javascript you may be stuck with it since it doesn't go full pcre
[16:33:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> perl i'd do m#^/(.*?)/$#; r=new RegExp($1);
[16:33:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> but that's unhelpful for js
[16:35:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> have you tried re= eval(s)?
[16:35:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> it *might* work
[16:36:30] <stderr> Yes... Except "s" is supplied by the user.
[16:36:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, so insecure
[16:37:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> s being supplied by the user shouldn't stop it as long as your declaration of re comes after it has been supplied.
[16:38:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> or is re-called after it has been supplied.
[16:39:05] <stderr> s is supplied in a <form> and re isn't constructed until onsubmit, so that's not a problem.
[16:39:15] <stderr> But I'll just use the ugly replace stuff.
[16:39:22] <stderr> After all, it's not my page... :-)
[16:39:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, it's still insecure but that's not a HUGE concern with javascript
[16:39:46] <ciri> Nod nod. I woke up one day you will get huge contracts for work.
[16:44:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, here's a puzzler for you... how do you find out why your syslog service won't start?
[16:49:15] <juggs> umm... what changed? If it broke due to an auto-update you may have package manager logs available separate from syslog (I know apt does). Might give a clue in the right direction. ~shrug~
[16:50:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> stale pid from improper shutdown. had to clear it manually
[16:50:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/pid/pid file/
[16:50:14] <exec> <TheMightyBuzzard> stale pid file from improper shutdown. had to clear it manually
[16:53:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> one thing i lurve bout linux. you occasionally get to see something like "Net Upgrade Size: -16.31 MiB"
[16:55:14] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, no :-/
[16:55:21] <NCommander> I'm really having total block
[16:55:43] <NCommander> I'm heading out, I'll bbl
[16:56:03] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: okay, we need to schedule another board meeting at some point
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[17:13:50] <arti> greetings
[17:14:47] <juggs> greetings arti
[17:15:07] <mrcoolbp> yo
[17:15:23] <arti> :)
[17:18:20] <mrcoolbp> ALL: I'm seeking alternate slogan suggestions for SoylentNews (current slogan is "...is people!"
[17:19:52] <juggs> ".... is all of you!" :P
[17:19:59] <juggs> I'll get ma coat....
[17:20:19] <mrcoolbp> = /
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[17:20:38] <Bytram|afk> Well, time for the day job. will think about the slogan
[17:20:41] <Bytram|afk> have fun all!
[17:20:51] <stderr> Bytram|afk: You've got spam...
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[17:20:53] <mrcoolbp> you too Bytram: later
[17:20:59] <stderr> If you didn't see it already.
[17:21:01] <Bytram|away> stderr: oh goody!
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[17:46:48] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: I like stderr’s suggestion You’ve got spam :)
[17:47:28] <mrcoolbp> for the tagline?
[17:48:18] <paulej72> yes, but in jest
[17:49:01] <paulej72> but when you read it you need to use the AOL guy’s voice to do it.
[17:49:03] <stderr> Note to self: Stop saying anything in here...
[17:49:56] * mrcoolbp rolls eyes
[17:50:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Measuring Medicine in Spoonfuls Leads to More Dosing Errors - http://sylnt.us - spoonful-of-sugar
[17:56:59] * NCommander is doing something DANGEROUS
[17:57:01] * NCommander has a cup of coffee and intends to drink it
[18:02:09] <paulej72> NCommander: instead of adjusting your sleep schedule, just move to a compatale timezone
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[18:02:28] <Blackmoore> and on!
[18:02:45] <Blackmoore> uh g'day?
[18:03:02] <juggs> g'day
[18:03:58] <paulej72> yeah, no more SoyGuests. I guess everyone has logged on to our new server successfully (well other than FoobarBazbot and his bots)
[18:04:31] <Blackmoore> that explains why i couldnt get in earlyer
[18:08:31] <NCommander> paulej72, it gets expensive after awhile
[18:08:52] <NCommander> paulej72, but I'll be in Berlin two weeks for now for family vacation w/ my mom
[18:36:48] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: did you check out: https://www.gocoin.com ?
[18:36:49] <monopoly> ^ 03GoCoin - Payment Gateway for Bitcoin and Litecoin Merchant Accounts
[18:37:06] <mrcoolbp> it would allow us to accept bitcoin without the caveats I think
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[18:47:14] <rand> yahooo000
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[19:12:51] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I'm aware of it. I've been really really out of it
[19:13:06] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I'm currently running on more caffiene than blood at the moment
[19:13:24] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I understand completely, I'm trying to be productive today
[19:13:35] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, what can I do to help
[19:13:53] * NCommander notes that while I'm a diet coke drink, if I actually am drinking coffee or energy drinks, BEWARE
[19:14:03] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: we need to resolve the tagline issue
[19:14:07] * NCommander is pretty sure he's vibrating and Alaska isn't experiencing an earthquake
[19:14:30] * mrcoolbp thinks of the Futurama episode when Fry drinks 100 cups of coffee
[19:14:31] <NCommander> SoylentNews: 100% Vegetarian Approved
[19:14:36] <mrcoolbp> heh
[19:14:53] <NCommander> I'm pretty sure I was in Caffiene Bullet Tme for go live
[19:15:00] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: we could just remove the tagline and the store could go live TODAY
[19:15:14] <mrcoolbp> but I should test it first
[19:15:19] * mrcoolbp orders a coffee mug
[19:17:49] * mrcoolbp considers express shipping
[19:19:24] <mrcoolbp> well that was the most expensive mug I've ever ordered for sure.
[19:22:34] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, did we just make money?
[19:22:38] * mrcoolbp checks
[19:22:39] <NCommander> Sweet
[19:23:10] * NCommander notes he's in that odd state of caffiene induded zen
[19:23:16] <NCommander> That I don't feel like I'm here but I am
[19:25:03] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, as a note, since I don't think you've had the experience
[19:25:08] <NCommander> I get *weird* when I'm sleep deprieved
[19:25:53] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I worked 36 hours this weekend and played 2 shows off 8 hours of sleep...I have some experience
[19:26:52] <NCommander> Fair enough
[19:26:53] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: Shit, it took off the markup because it recognized that I was the owner of the store....we didn't make money....
[19:27:13] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, should I laugh or cry?
[19:27:17] <mrcoolbp> both?
[19:28:29] <mrcoolbp> oh well, at least we'll be able to ascertain the quality of the product
[19:29:14] * mrcoolbp considers buying a shirt...
[19:31:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Lab Incidents Lead to Safety Crackdown at CDC - http://sylnt.us - have-you-seen-this-movie
[19:32:04] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: next item is another board meeting
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[19:35:34] <mrcoolbp> I can do it tomorrow evening, but it would be after 9:30pm which is late for matt
[19:35:57] <arti> mrcoolbp: do you like coffee
[19:35:59] <arti> ?
[19:36:04] <mrcoolbp> mmmm yessir.
[19:36:08] <arti> you might like some del rio candies
[19:36:16] <arti> they're coffee, like carmels and others
[19:36:29] <arti> i like them because they're caffeinated
[19:36:41] <mrcoolbp> they sound delicious
[19:36:41] <arti> saved my ass a few times
[19:36:51] * mrcoolbp reaches for some more redbull
[19:36:54] <arti> usually driving is the worst
[19:37:18] <arti> i don't like being sleepy, not that i drive sleepy often, but you get in that road trance easier
[19:37:35] * arti does a 160 mile haul couple times a week
[19:38:19] <arti> coffee rio, my bad: http://www.oldtimecandy.com
[19:38:20] <monopoly> ^ 03Coffee Rio - Candy you ate as a kid�
[19:39:13] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I could technically do it today, but in my current state ...
[19:39:24] <arti> what you're saying is you want to go to disneyland?
[19:39:25] <ciri> Okay, scuse me whilst i go to disneyland? The best of times.
[19:39:41] * arti waves at NCommander
[19:39:46] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: probably a bad idea then.
[19:43:20] <NCommander> hey arti
[19:43:32] <arti> experiencing writers block?
[19:47:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> rat bastards. just spent an hour n a half troubleshooting nfs because somewhere in the latest round of updates they changed from requiring a / before the export to requiring you not have one
[19:48:29] <arti> fun
[19:48:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> this is only for mounting from fstab, mind you. completely different behavior from the command line
[19:48:40] <arti> should write a blog post about it
[19:48:52] <arti> "if you're here, chances are you've encountered this..."
[19:49:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't, helpful is beyond me when i'm in choke-a-bitch mode
[19:49:41] <arti> well, another time
[19:49:47] * arti pours TheMightyBuzzard some scotch
[19:50:07] <arti> i recommend a second round
[19:50:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'a damned fine idea but i get to go spend an hour at the DMV, so it has to wait a bit yet.
[19:50:35] * TheMightyBuzzard really hopes it's only an hour
[19:50:36] <ciri> Hopes brotorororororororororororororo enjoys gargantia, now the proud owner of the hour when plain text is turned on.
[19:51:04] <arti> last time i was at the dmv the computers were malfunctioning so many people were redirected to the office i was goign to
[19:51:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh fun
[19:51:30] <arti> yeah, the line was out the door and thensome
[19:51:40] <arti> oh well, bit the bullet. it took about an hour to get inside
[19:51:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> luckily we only have a few thousand people in town here, so it shouldn't be that busy.
[19:51:54] <arti> while i was waiting in line, i would hear yelling now and again
[19:52:05] <arti> figured it was someone telling a joke or something, but it was fairly frequent
[19:52:20] <arti> so as i get inside, i hear it much clearer, there's someone at the counter
[19:52:34] <arti> it's a guy with some kind of condition, tourettes or something
[19:52:40] <arti> ARRRRHGHGHGHG ARRRRRGHGHG
[19:52:45] <arti> like as loud as he could
[19:52:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice
[19:53:19] <arti> so he'd exit, and grit down a smoke, and i assume pray that he wouldn't have an outburst. i guess they occur more frequently when you're nervous
[19:53:23] <arti> sick feedback loop
[19:53:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[19:53:43] <arti> guy walks by, has an episode and i recall the people around me trying not to laugh
[19:53:48] <arti> it was kinda funny
[19:54:03] <arti> guy behind me "i really shouldn't laugh..."
[19:54:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> makes me wanna watch boondock saints again
[19:54:16] <arti> i'll never forget it
[19:54:30] <arti> it was very distinct. wonder what it's like being intimate with someone like that
[19:54:48] <arti> that'd be a great sim for Total Recall
[19:54:58] <arti> "yeah, screw the secret agent package, i'll take the crazy dmv"
[19:55:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, i'm out for a while
[19:55:42] <arti> alright man
[19:55:52] <arti> if you can go target shooting, do that
[19:56:01] <arti> that'll blow off some steam
[19:57:07] * mrcoolbp is hitting a wall, need to go shopping anyway
[19:59:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~weather 33701
[19:59:39] <exec> Weather for ST PETERSBURG WHITTED AIRPORT , FL, United States at 2014-07-14 18:53:00 (UTC) ~ 1.1 hrs ago:
[19:59:40] <exec> temperature = 87.8°F (31°C) dewpoint = 73.4°F (23°C)
[19:59:40] <exec> barometric pressure = 1017.3 mb ~ change of -1 mb over past 1 hrs relative humdity = 62%
[19:59:40] <exec> wind speed = 9 mph (14.4 km/h) wind direction = 270°
[19:59:54] <arti> ~weather 92659
[19:59:56] <exec> Weather for Corona Del Mar, CA US at 2014-07-14 19:20:00 (UTC) ~ 0.7 hrs ago:
[19:59:57] <exec> temperature = 72°F (22.2°C) dewpoint = 65.5°F (18.6°C)
[19:59:57] <exec> barometric pressure = 1014.8 mb ~ change of 0 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 79%
[19:59:57] <exec> wind speed = 4 mph (6.4 km/h) wind direction = 223°
[20:18:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Thus do I strike a blow against tyranny!
[20:19:04] * TheMightyBuzzard stole their pen
[20:21:43] <arti> heh
[20:31:43] <NCommander> ~weather 99052
[20:31:46] <exec> Weather for Jalta, 43, Ukraine at 2014-07-14 18:00:00 (UTC) ~ 2.5 hrs ago:
[20:31:47] <exec> temperature = 76.6°F (24.8°C) dewpoint = 60.1°F (15.6°C)
[20:31:47] <exec> barometric pressure = 1010.7 mb ~ change of -0.5 mb over past 3 hrs relative humdity = 56%
[20:31:47] <exec> wind speed = 3 mph (4.8 km/h) wind direction = 280°
[20:31:54] <NCommander> wtf O_o;
[20:31:59] <NCommander> That's not right
[20:32:01] <NCommander> ~weather 99502
[20:32:04] <exec> Weather for "99502" not found. Check spelling or try another nearby location.
[20:32:08] <arti> lol
[20:32:12] <NCommander> ~weather Anchorage, AK
[20:32:15] <exec> Weather for Anchorage, AK US at 2014-07-14 19:53:00 (UTC) ~ 0.7 hrs ago:
[20:32:16] <exec> temperature = 59°F (15°C) dewpoint = 50.7°F (10.4°C)
[20:32:16] <exec> barometric pressure = 1026.2 mb ~ change of 0.1 mb over past 0.5 hrs relative humdity = 73%
[20:32:16] <exec> wind speed = 1 mph (1.6 km/h) wind direction = 52°
[20:32:22] <NCommander> Sounds about righ
[20:32:29] <NCommander> ~weather 97051
[20:32:32] <exec> Weather for St Helens, OR US at 2014-07-14 19:50:00 (UTC) ~ 0.7 hrs ago:
[20:32:33] <exec> temperature = 79°F (26.1°C) dewpoint = 65.3°F (18.5°C)
[20:32:33] <exec> barometric pressure = 1017.7 mb ~ change of -0.1 mb over past 0.2 hrs relative humdity = 62%
[20:32:33] <exec> wind speed = 2 mph (3.2 km/h) wind direction = 53°
[20:32:36] <NCommander> That's also right
[20:32:56] <NCommander> 99502 is my ZIP code
[20:32:56] <NCommander> hrm
[20:33:01] <NCommander> ~weather 99501
[20:33:04] <exec> Weather for "99501" not found. Check spelling or try another nearby location.
[20:33:08] <NCommander> ..........
[20:33:15] <NCommander> ~weather 99599
[20:33:16] <arti> wonder if crutchy did this to fuck with you
[20:33:18] <exec> Weather for "99599" not found. Check spelling or try another nearby location.
[20:33:20] * arti schemes
[20:33:24] <NCommander> arti, I so wouldn't be suprised
[20:33:25] <ciri> Just want some random development related questions i wouldn't even count the pats since outside of talib you could make the statement you brought a box of arse.
[20:33:33] <NCommander> ~weather Hell
[20:33:37] <exec> Weather for Pinckney, MI US at 2014-07-14 19:59:00 (UTC) ~ 0.6 hrs ago:
[20:33:38] <exec> temperature = 74°F (23.3°C) dewpoint = 55.8°F (13.2°C)
[20:33:38] <exec> barometric pressure = 1010 mb ~ change of 0.1 mb over past 0.3 hrs relative humdity = 53%
[20:33:38] <exec> wind speed = 0 mph (0 km/h) wind direction = 285°
[20:33:44] <NCommander> That's pretty damn close
[20:33:51] <NCommander> ~weather NCommander
[20:33:52] <exec> Weather for "NCommander" not found. Check spelling or try another nearby location.
[20:34:05] <NCommander> 404 error :-)
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[20:42:46] <arti> aaah irish folk: https://www.youtube.com
[20:42:47] <monopoly> ^ 03Angry Irish Man Cannot Find His Soup [Funny Subtitled Version!] - YouTube
[20:50:28] <Blackmoore> http://www.antipope.org
[20:50:30] <monopoly> ^ 03Competition Time! - Charlie's Diary
[21:10:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Some Popular Password Protection Programs Have Significant Vulnerabilities - http://sylnt.us - a-false-sense-of-security
[21:12:10] <arti> "Would the individual responsible for leaving a lunchbox containing a localized spatial tear in the refrigerator please remove it, or at the very least ask whatever is on the other side to stop judging the eating habits of our employees?"
[21:14:16] <Blackmoore> :)
[21:14:27] <Blackmoore> unacceptable number of bees
[21:15:07] <Blackmoore> [CENSORED]'s unauthorised downloading of Flappy Bird onto his SOE-issued Necronomiphone caused the dimensional rift that led to the now infamous Shantak Incident. (We're still apologising to Stevenage Borough Council for that one.)
[21:15:09] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: matt doesn't think we should worry about the tagline
[21:21:03] <arti> !decide worry "not worry"
[21:21:03] <ciri> The roll of the dice picks: not worry.
[21:21:07] <arti> i concur
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[21:33:21] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, *sigh*, can you figure out what, if anything I'm blocking folks on, and work around it?
[21:33:32] * NCommander honestly notes the next few weeks is going to suck for my available
[21:33:38] <NCommander> *availability
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[21:42:26] <paulej72> NCommander: the current linode alerts about cpu and disk io usage, is there anything we can do about them (ie set the threshholds differently). I assume that these are due to backups running.
[21:42:45] <NCommander> paulej72, gah, I forgot to set the crontab to make tha thappen automatically
[21:42:48] <NCommander> I was still debugging that
[21:42:53] <NCommander> !todo make backup crontabs FIRE!
[21:42:53] <Bender> todo item 5 added
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[22:21:34] <paulej72> did I frighten everyone away again :(
[22:23:39] <chromas> Yep :D
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[22:38:18] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: not sure I understand what you are asking
[22:39:18] <Cyprus> any chance you guys could add a user flag to redirect to https after login? It's downright painful / requires an addon to maintain a secure browsing session to SN at the moment =(
[22:46:50] <NCommander> Cyprus, we could make that happen
[22:50:42] <Cyprus> It would also be nice to default to at least protecting the user credential submission in https, even if it goes back to http after the login if you dont want to send everyone to https unilateraly.
[22:52:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Raspberry Pi B+ Released - http://sylnt.us - raspberry-crumble
[22:53:03] <Cyprus> I at least want to make the NSA work for my basic login credentials / session cookies =)
[22:57:03] <Cyprus> NCommander: I tried Ubuntu for a bit btw, it's just too different to really be worth the shift for me, unless I'm working somewhere with people familiar with it that I can chat with. This of course depends on Centos7 not completely pissing me off, as I haven't tried it yet.
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[23:13:37] <Blackmoore> gorram webchat..
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[23:25:58] <paulej72> It is official. one of xlefay’s servers has died. An emial to him just bounced :((
[23:26:14] <chromas> :(
[23:27:38] <paulej72> the irc server still seems to be up as I can still reach the old znc server
[23:27:57] <paulej72> s/irc/old irc/
[23:27:58] <exec> <paulej72> the old irc server still seems to be up as I can still reach the old znc server
[23:36:12] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
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[23:38:19] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: what does "can you figure out what, if anything I'm blocking folks on, and work around it?" mean?
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[23:38:56] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, am I blocking anything at the moment
[23:39:48] <paulej72> just TheMightyBuzzard’s pull request as far as I know
[23:39:56] <mrcoolbp> ^^^
[23:40:05] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[23:40:12] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: and the subscription thing but I know that's a little work
[23:40:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, you could approve the rss one if you wanted. it doesn't actually change anything without a db change as well.
[23:40:33] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: and the "tagline" swag issue, but other than that I don't think so
[23:40:39] <paulej72> I could do a work around on this NCommander bu doing the recommit myself. It would take a bit of work though
[23:41:21] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: good evening
[23:41:52] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: was still doing irc cleanup stuff. Will look at that tomorrow
[23:42:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, oh please. we all know you've been sitting around eating bon-bons all weekend.
[23:42:41] <mrcoolbp> yeah, you lazy bum.
[23:43:53] <paulej72> does anyone have an email for xlefay that is not on xandev.nl
[23:44:07] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: let me look
[23:44:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> never talked to the guy outside irc. didn't someone have a phone number?
[23:46:36] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: negative, that's all he ever gave us = /
[23:47:47] <mrcoolbp> he's still logged in somehow though
[23:48:05] <paulej72> that address happens to be on the same server as the old irc server. I think he might have turned off his email user on it.
[23:48:23] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: that's odd
[23:48:48] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: he is logged in through the znc new znc server as I copied the settings from his server.
[23:49:07] <mrcoolbp> yeah, I figured it was something like that
[23:55:50] <paulej72> time to get some food
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