#Soylent | Logs for 2014-07-07

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[23:58:12] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by #65531: This is B.J. Guillot, the candidate mentioned. I will review the various questions here and start replying in a few hours. I have to finish working at my day job bef...
[23:58:12] <BlackHole> link: http://soylentnews.org
[23:57:59] <BlackHole> everyone hurry and come up with some intelligent questions :o)
[23:57:44] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by #65417: The candidate added 'Fuck beta'
[23:57:44] <chromas> Must be this one: http://soylentnews.org
[23:57:02] <BlackHole> an AC claiming to be the candidate from this morning's story just posted a comment! w00t!
[23:56:01] <BlackHole> \ö/
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[23:55:02] <BlackHole> hi!
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[23:33:24] <SirFinkus> this can't go unpunished
[23:33:09] <SirFinkus> No, we don’t know your password, so we can’t send it to you. #sorrynotsorry #twitterversary
[23:33:07] <SirFinkus> I mean, this is the shit they're sending out
[23:31:48] <SirFinkus> naw, they'd ignore that
[23:30:37] <chromas> "Just woke up from the longest trip of my life"
[23:29:29] <SirFinkus> I want to make sure I'm on their watchlist
[23:29:13] <SirFinkus> FrankROlson is untaken, someone help me think of something witty
[23:26:16] <SirFinkus> I figure it's obscure enough to get past the guy running it
[23:26:13] <chromas> post nudez
[23:25:53] <SirFinkus> or whatever it is people do on twitter
[23:25:33] <SirFinkus> I was going to see if I could get @cia to retweet something from him
[23:25:21] <SirFinkus> damn, someone took @frankolson
[23:21:59] * NCommander swears some more
[23:19:23] <chromas> Ooh, we need an article post; NC, get right on that!
[23:18:50] <monopoly> ^ 03Free Red Hat clone CentOS-7 is full of Linux Container love • The Register: All the glitter of RHEL 7 – without the price tag ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[23:18:49] <chromas> http://go.theregister.com
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[22:49:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, book's a bust. can't get myself to pay attention to it. nap then
[22:47:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what happens when you're the dumping ground for every error message on the planet
[22:47:32] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[22:46:05] <stderr> It goes everywhere! EVERYWHERE!!!
[22:45:48] <stderr> Do you realize how hard it is to get debug info off?!
[22:45:19] <stderr> TheMightyBuzzard: Just saw what you wrote 85 minutes ago... Thanks! That has been a bit annoying...
[22:41:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Dubai to Build Biggest Mall with 4.5 Miles of Glass Roof Streets, 100 Hotels and Theme Park - http://sylnt.us - under-the-dome
[22:37:53] * TheMightyBuzzard so knew that would happen
[22:37:31] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: din gding ding ding ding! :D
[22:35:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> afk reading a book but have audible nick alerts
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[21:31:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - More of the Same from the TSA. - http://sylnt.us - take-the-batteries-out,-put-the-batteries-in
[21:30:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, you can just check the net and find out what's going to happen in a few hours. it's like having a TARDIS
[21:29:33] * NCommander loves living in the PAST
[21:29:29] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, its only 11:30 here
[21:28:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> damnation, it's already 2:30? raiding the leftover pizza for breakfast.
[21:25:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> you sir are a very tidy person if you're that far along already.
[21:25:11] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I'm about half way through branch cleanup
[21:24:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> think you were right the other day about changing memcached out for something newer and requiring of less hackiness though.
[21:20:05] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, fair enough
[21:19:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> now it should be able to pull stats without spewing debug info all over stderr
[21:18:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, it needs debug set to 1 to be able to pull stats at all. dunno why.
[21:17:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> previously it only pulled stats if you set it to debug and got a shitpot of extra debugging info
[21:17:33] * NCommander isn't sure what that's doing
[21:17:29] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, yeah, but why do we set the debug state to memcache?
[21:16:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> as well as cache::memcached::fast that is
[21:16:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> meant including cache::memcache for just that one purpose should not especially overtax the server.
[21:15:43] * NCommander is going through and cleaning up
[21:15:38] <NCommander> I'm not sure I get this change
[21:15:34] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, # TMB I think we're okay just pulling stats even in a non-debug state in the memcache
[21:14:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> that would definitely have annoyed me enough to fix.
[21:13:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> not off my code, nope.
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[21:12:48] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, do we get crap in slashd.log about "printing wide characters"?
[21:07:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> i could have kept it and cleaned it up here but see above re: messy and also i figured you lot would very much appreciate an easier time rebasing.
[21:04:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> rock on with your bad self. i am notoriously messy.
[21:04:22] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I'm doing a bit of cleanup on this branch before its merged
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[21:03:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> undecided on those. i've seen zero issues from running with them commented out though.
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[21:02:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> lemme check
[21:01:53] <NCommander> are they supposd to still be commented out?
[21:01:47] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, you've got things that are commented out for debugging
[21:01:40] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, plugins/Messages/DB/MySQL/MySQL.pm
[21:01:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> (g)vim
[21:00:58] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, what editor do you use?
[21:00:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> blame the vm. that's how its rc files are set
[20:59:45] * NCommander notes /code uses tabs exclusively
[20:59:40] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, someone likes spaces a lot :-/
[20:59:30] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, well, memcache is important for performance but yeah
[20:58:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> and like you said, we may be getting rid of memcached all together soon enough.
[20:57:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> wasteful but safe
[20:57:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's so we can still use cache::memcached to pull stats in. fast doesn't have the debug setting.
[20:56:49] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, what's the getMCDold change?
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[20:55:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> pull request done. some changes in there today on account of i decided we do NOT want to check getCurrentStatic('utf8') to see if we want to read/write utf8 to log files and such. just do it so things can't get screwed up by setting it to 0.
[20:54:45] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, let me look at it
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[20:51:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, commits are listed oldest first. thought i was losing my mind.
[20:50:37] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[20:48:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> could still use some release candidate testing, mind ya.
[20:47:40] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, well, this is ill ill, like pain, and sore joints
[20:47:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> will be in shortly then
[20:47:09] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, pull request to master
[20:46:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, hey, unicode work is done as far as i can tell. utf8=0 included. how ya wanna bring it in to the SoylentNews repo? branch or pull request to master?
[20:45:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> yack. man you n germs just do not get along.
[20:45:17] * NCommander is still ill, but not QUITE as bad
[20:45:06] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, spent my 4th of July sick out of my mind
[20:44:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> sup NCommander
[20:44:43] <NCommander> O_O;
[20:44:42] <monopoly> ^ 04SN article 03 U.S. Congressional Candidate a Fan of SoylentNews 04(15 comments): BlackHole writes: B.J. Guillot is one of three candidates currently seeking to represent Washington's 2nd Congressional District in the U.S. House of Representa...
[20:44:42] <NCommander> http://soylentnews.org - wow
[20:24:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> lameass &amp;
[20:24:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, suck
[20:21:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Lennart Poettering on the State &amp; Future of Systemd - http://sylnt.us - Seizeing-the-Init-iative
[20:14:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i am calling unicode done enough for RC testing on dev unless anyone wants to smack the crap out of it on my vm
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[18:51:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Can You Supercharge your Brain? - http://sylnt.us - Mondo-2000:-Guide-to-the-New-Edge
[18:35:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> cool cool
[18:10:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> just plugged soylentnews on reddit.
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[17:58:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy
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[17:52:32] <stderr> Time for me to stare at the inside of my eyelids for a couple of hours...
[17:45:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, all that fucking off and plant watering i did used up my best coding mojo hours
[17:40:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> logic is not everyone's strong suit, apparently
[17:36:50] <stderr> Nobody was using Firefox 50 years ago, so the all-time low must be "0", right?
[17:35:55] <stderr> All-time low? As in "0"?
[17:30:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Firefox Usage Falls to All-time Low - http://sylnt.us - Fox-Hunt
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[17:29:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> not much that can be done about that though
[17:29:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> well there's one issue, it's easy to run over the allowed subject length in comments with unicode converted to entities.
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[17:24:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess it's time to turn off utf8 and see what happens
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[17:07:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> AndyTheAbsurd, key is a good idea in theory but i rarely remember to wag around a copy of my id_rsa on a usb key
[17:06:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> TheMightyBuzzard: fail2ban. and/or only allow authentication via key.
[17:05:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine listens on a non-anything-standard port on account of i got tired of checking for bad login attempts and seeing them in the thousands.
[17:04:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> Woods: that's why my sshd listens on port 443. :)
[17:02:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> xlefay was supposed to be back this week. maybe he can open up a second non-standard port for folks.
[17:01:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[17:01:13] <Woods> When I run this place, I will make sure to open it up nice a proper.
[17:00:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> suck
[17:00:31] <Woods> TheMightyBuzzard: We have a firewall blocking the standard port IRC uses, so I have to stick with the web client. Thems the rules, unfortunately.
[16:59:12] <swiss> crutchy: yeah, i've been running stats for a long time
[16:56:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> *nix + tmux + irssi FTW.
[16:51:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what happens when you use a web client
[16:46:36] <Woods> Dang it, my computer froze, and now it forgot my settings for the IRC web client. Now my colors are all jacked up.
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[16:35:53] <crutchy> ...a lot
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[16:35:13] <crutchy> no the pfj were the good guys... that really hated the romans
[16:34:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> I thought that we were the People's Front of Judea!
[16:34:29] <Konomi> guess we have to burn them then
[16:33:30] <crutchy> still better than the judean people's front
[16:29:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> Nokia *used* *to* make great phones. Now their mobile phone division is owned by Microsoft.
[16:27:50] <crutchy> they make good weapons
[16:27:38] <Konomi> but isn't everyone fond of their brick phone?
[16:27:26] * crutchy stokes the flames with some MSCSEs
[16:27:14] * AndyTheAbsurd asks Konomi to pass the marshmallows
[16:27:03] * AndyTheAbsurd throws a Nokia engineer on, too.
[16:26:11] * Konomi fetches the marshmallows
[16:25:51] * stderr throws in another MS dev for better luck.
[16:25:18] * Konomi sets an MS dev on fire for good luck
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[16:24:57] <Bytram> bye bye for now; wish me luck!
[16:24:45] <Bytram> that leaves HexChat of the programs that I'm aware of setting up to use Unifont
[16:24:32] * Konomi does not miss windows file handles
[16:24:26] <Bytram> del unifont_csur-6.3.20140214.ftt (Access is denied.)
[16:23:46] <Bytram> just exited thunderbird
[16:23:20] <crutchy> i started typing ctrl+alt+
[16:22:59] <Konomi> did I miss half the convo
[16:22:53] <Konomi> what he said?
[16:22:52] <crutchy> ke?
[16:22:33] <Bytram> yov first!
[16:22:20] <crutchy> yeah what he said
[16:22:16] <Bytram> Orly? =)
[16:22:02] <Konomi> taskkill it!
[16:21:34] <Bytram> hmm, looks like windows' Client Server Runtime Process (C:\WINDOWS\system32\csrss.exe) has the font file locked... can't delete the old one.
[16:20:50] <crutchy> sounds exciting
[16:20:05] <Konomi> kernel update \o/
[16:20:01] <Konomi> ty
[16:19:54] <crutchy> wb Konomi
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[16:19:14] <exec> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[16:19:14] <exec> ~~ ~~
[16:19:14] <exec> * /\---/\
[16:19:13] <exec> / | ||
[16:19:13] <exec> /------\/
[16:19:13] <exec> (oo)
[16:19:12] <exec> (__)
[16:19:11] <crutchy> ~moo
[16:15:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> had to set the default server to the vm
[16:14:46] <crutchy> bye Konomi :-(
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[16:14:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> there, that fixed it
[16:13:23] <Bytram> I just copied the new UTF-8 fonts to \windows\fonts
[16:13:21] <crutchy> using bridged?
[16:13:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> my router can't tell the difference between my host and my vm for nat
[16:12:35] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: hmm??
[16:12:32] <SedBot> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Time for an Adult Conversation about Porn. - http://sylnt.us - Snapshot-of-my-Breakfast
[16:12:32] <crutchy> Bender: s/Social Media/Porn/
[16:12:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> well hell
[16:12:26] <Bytram> crutchy: yeah, that's not an option on my right-click menu.
[16:11:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Time for an Adult Conversation about Social Media. - http://sylnt.us - Snapshot-of-my-Breakfast
[16:11:22] <crutchy> been a while
[16:11:22] <Bytram> let me see if that's an option ... brb
[16:11:18] <crutchy> that prolly works too
[16:11:10] <Bytram> I normally just copy the files into \windows\fonts
[16:11:06] <crutchy> i think just right click file and click install
[16:10:52] <crutchy> ah
[16:10:48] <Bytram> xp :(
[16:10:34] <crutchy> win8; fiik
[16:10:34] <Bytram> programs (firefox BabelMap Thunnerbird, etc)
[16:10:16] <crutchy> oh you gots windows grate
[16:10:06] <crutchy> apps?
[16:09:59] <crutchy> i think you just right click the file and click install
[16:09:56] <Bytram> and then restart apps?
[16:09:52] <Bytram> then delete the old,
[16:09:46] <Bytram> yes
[16:09:44] <Bytram> copy in the new ones,
[16:09:41] <crutchy> ttf?
[16:09:36] <Bytram> I've downloaded a new set of UTF-8 fonts and not sure about how to go about the upgrade
[16:09:11] <Bytram> was wondering about the best way to upgrade my fonts
[16:09:10] <crutchy> debian vbox running on windows host
[16:08:52] <crutchy> err sort of
[16:08:33] <Bytram> crutchy: are you on windows?
[16:08:21] <monopoly> ^ 03exec stats
[16:08:17] <Bytram> back. thanks!
[16:08:11] <crutchy> made up a rough stats page for exec alias usage http://irciv.us.to
[16:07:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, i'll test it with lynx from dev n give a heads up when it works
[16:07:11] <crutchy> maybe its demonstrating curiosity?
[16:06:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 333
[16:06:50] <crutchy> coffee++
[16:05:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> tf monopoly?
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[16:05:15] <monopoly> ^ �
[16:04:48] <Bender> karma - coffee: 332
[16:04:48] <crutchy> coffee++
[16:04:10] <Bender> karma - coffee: 331
[16:04:09] <Bytram> coffee++
[16:04:08] <Bytram> afk brb
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[16:03:44] <Bytram> on my way
[16:03:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh hell. port forwarding needs set up
[16:03:41] <Bytram> btw, separate question... any idea on how I should go about upgrading my fonts? Copy the new font files into my \windows\fonts\ folder and then delete the old ones? I'd guess I'd need to restart any programs that were using the old one. right?
[16:03:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> check now
[16:02:32] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:02:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> hang on, gettin memcached runnin real quick
[16:01:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> odd
[16:01:24] <Bytram> hmmm, I see nuthin'
[16:01:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> well hell, guess i should install cache::memcached::fast if i'm going to have it installed on dev and eventually prod
[16:00:40] <Bytram> is kinda slow today
[16:00:34] <Bytram> on my way; my connectio
[15:59:55] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:59:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be your regular login if you can log in on dev
[15:59:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, my dev vm: http://tmbvm.ddns.net
[15:58:47] <Bytram> nod nod; THANKS!
[15:58:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> both correct
[15:58:04] <Bytram> thanks!
[15:56:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure, hang on
[15:56:40] <Bytram> fbaa55d2fa4d1901f3b1f10624682465 *unifont_upper_csur-7.0.03.ttf
[15:56:34] <Bytram> a2d4cf68fe3923cd7d83331d669fb4bb *unifont_csur-7.0.03.ttf
[15:56:32] <Bytram> or, just confirm whether mine are correct?
[15:55:47] <Bytram> could you pls MD5SUMM yours nd let me know what you got?
[15:55:34] <Bytram> so, I'm not at all certain I got the file correctly.
[15:55:11] <Bytram> in the meantime, I got one "read error" and five "connection closed" messages while trying to download: http://unifoundry.com
[15:54:29] <Bytram> but seriously... I just sent an e-mail to the site maintainer asking if he could include MD5SUMs for the fonts.
[15:54:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> first thing this morning
[15:54:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh bad parsing. yeah.
[15:53:36] <Bytram> it has the Pile-of-Poo glyph in it!
[15:53:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, why would i?
[15:53:04] <Bytram> have you D/Led the 7.0.03 Unifont files yet?
[15:52:46] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: wb!
[15:33:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> and done
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[15:12:45] <Bytram> afk back in a few
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[15:00:48] <SedBot> <Bytram> <crutchy> i thvnk i'm vse my wrong english :-P
[15:00:48] <Bytram> crutchy: s/u/v/g
[15:00:30] <crutchy> i thunk i'm use my wrong english :-P
[14:59:58] <Woods> ding/restart??!!? I think you have it all wrong, Crutchy.
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[14:55:37] <crutchy> ~restart
[14:54:45] <Bytram> ding
[14:54:24] <crutchy> (M) contains drug references
[14:54:06] <Bytram> bong
[14:53:59] <crutchy> bing
[14:53:50] <Bytram> maybe you should use some kind of search engine to find it?
[14:53:22] <stderr> "AltaVista offers its users the opportunity to use a customised search page." I think I need to find a newer page on this subject...
[14:50:23] <stderr> Hence my answer. No, it's 8 octets.
[14:50:08] <stderr> I thought you asked if "the last" was "one octet"...
[14:49:38] <stderr> Damn, that was a weird parse error from my side...
[14:49:29] <monopoly> ^ 03Don't Touch Willy - YouTube: This video was uploaded from an Android phone.
[14:49:29] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[14:49:04] <Bytram> let me reword things; back in a few minutes.
[14:48:57] <crutchy> simpsons
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[14:48:45] <Bytram> crutchy: again? (Rocky Horror Picture Show)
[14:48:32] <crutchy> lousy smarch weather
[14:48:23] * crutchy is in some kinda time warp
[14:48:08] <crutchy> got that one. just trying to figure out in my head the difference between first and last
[14:47:59] <Bytram> oct 31 == dec 25
[14:47:57] <stderr> crutchy: No, 8.
[14:47:43] <Bytram> crutchy: No, but the one before it is "dec" =)
[14:47:09] * crutchy puts dunce hat on
[14:47:01] <crutchy> is the last one oct?
[14:46:20] <Bytram> the stuff on the right-hand side describes what was used within the quotes
[14:46:05] <Bytram> the things in quotes on the left-hand side should all look the same...
[14:45:46] <Bytram> "" = &#x20ac;
[14:45:46] <Bytram> "" = &#8364;
[14:45:46] <Bytram> "" = &euro;
[14:45:46] <Bytram> "" = "0xe282ac" = UTF-8 encoded character
[14:45:45] <Bytram> euro sign, U+20AC NEW:
[14:45:44] <Bytram> stderr: already have it covered... here's another entry:
[14:45:19] <chromas> Or update it if you have it already
[14:45:06] <stderr> Bytram: That's almost what I would do. I would include &#xA1;
[14:45:03] <chromas> Bytram: yes sir
[14:44:51] <chromas> Then you should get pretty little pooplets
[14:44:41] <Bytram> chromas: Unifont CSI?
[14:44:13] <chromas> Install that font and restart your client
[14:43:55] <Bytram> how 'bout: "" = UTF-8 octets: 0xc2 0xa1
[14:43:53] <crutchy> ^same here
[14:43:39] <stderr> |4A9|
[14:43:35] <stderr> |01F|
[14:43:31] <stderr> I see:
[14:43:25] <Bytram> instead of: "" = "0xc2a1" = UTF-8 encoded character
[14:43:09] <Bytram> stderr: going with your suggestion...
[14:42:57] <Bytram> but first..
[14:42:49] <Bytram> I need to update my font... I see only a box containing 4 zeroes
[14:42:45] * chromas wonders whose idea it was to put eyes on that
[14:42:17] <stderr> Yes, like that.
[14:41:59] <Bytram> hmmm, like this? 💩
[14:40:36] <monopoly> ^ 03Unicode Character 'PILE OF POO' (U+1F4A9)
[14:40:35] <stderr> http://www.fileformat.info shows the UTF-8 as 0xF0 0x9F 0x92 0xA9 (f09f92a9)
[14:40:26] <Bytram> oh. nd nod
[14:40:15] <stderr> I know, but that was what I almost read.
[14:39:57] * Bytram needs a new wireless kbd
[14:39:42] <Bytram> stderr: I had no "k" in mine
[14:39:36] <Bytram> stderr: I had no "" inmine
[14:39:09] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: cya!
[14:39:01] <stderr> 0xab0xkcd?! What?!
[14:38:52] <Bytram> lol
[14:38:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh. gotta water all the plants outside. gone for an hour or two.
[14:38:44] <stderr> I almost read that as xkcd...
[14:38:39] * Bytram is not normal
[14:38:29] <stderr> And it would have to be big endian, which is NOT what most of us are using normally.
[14:38:29] <Bytram> stderr: ahhh, point made and taken. maybe: 0xab0xcd ??
[14:37:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> good good. for some reason /code was capping it at 64k. i made that not happen.
[14:37:12] <stderr> Bytram: Yes, but if you use 0xC2A1 you would also have to say if it's stored as little or big endian.
[14:37:07] <crutchy> a very cold 0x10
[14:36:31] <stderr> TheMightyBuzzard: If that's 0x10FFFF, yes.
[14:36:31] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: yuppers
[14:36:26] <chromas> What? But we need more than 4 gigasymbols...gibichars?
[14:36:24] <Bytram> stderr: I see what you are getting at... but I'm not yet convinced... your suggestion, taken literally, says there's a space between the octets.
[14:36:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> 1114111 codepoints still, yes?
[14:35:32] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:35:27] <stderr> Evil updates!
[14:35:10] <Bytram> stderr: nope. only 1-4 octets now. Specs have been updateed.
[14:34:50] <stderr> Actually 1..6, but yes...
[14:34:13] <Bytram> yes, I understand that... there are anywhere from 1..4 octets in a UTF-8 character.
[14:34:12] <stderr> Clearly writing it as two 8-bit values (0xC2 and 0xA1) makes more sense than writing it as a single 16-bit value.
[14:33:05] <stderr> Because 0xC2A1 is a 16-bit value and UTF-8 are 8-bit values.
[14:33:04] <SedBot> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - U.S. Congressional Candidate a Fan of SoylentNews - http://sylnt.us - doesn't-constitute-an-endor-ewok
[14:33:04] <Bytram> "" = &#xa1;
[14:33:04] <Bytram> "" = &#161;
[14:33:04] <Bytram> "" = &iexcl;
[14:33:04] <Bytram> "" = "0xc2a1" = UTF-8 encoded character
[14:33:04] <crutchy> Bender: s/sement/-ewok/
[14:33:03] <Bytram> inverted exclamation mark, U+00A1 ISOnum:
[14:33:03] <Bytram> stderr: fyi, hears an example of the full entry I have for that named chartacter entity:
[14:32:17] <Bytram> stderr: I'm curious as to why?
[14:31:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> hells yeah, we famous.
[14:31:02] <stderr> Bytram: I would suggest writing that as either &#xC2A1; OR 0xC2 0xA1 depending on what you mean.
[14:30:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> i may write me a perl script for hexchat to properly latinize arbitrary text
[14:30:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - U.S. Congressional Candidate a Fan of SoylentNews - http://sylnt.us - doesn't-constitute-an-endorsement
[14:30:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> hmmm...
[14:29:42] * Bytram senses a meme coming along
[14:29:25] <Bytram> "" = "0xc2a1" = UTF-8 encoded character
[14:29:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> svck it
[14:29:17] <stderr> yov know what bvgs me?
[14:29:05] <Bytram> =)
[14:28:59] <Bytram> yeah, so V say!
[14:28:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know what bugs me? calling U/u Latin characters. Latin had no U/u, only V/v.
[14:27:53] <stderr> 1F4A9 💩 PILE OF POO F0 9F 92 A9
[14:26:57] <stderr> Imagine that the table lines up perfectly, ok?
[14:26:36] <stderr> C5 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH RING ABOVE () C3 85
[14:26:36] <stderr> Codepoint Character Name UTF-8
[14:26:34] <stderr> I agree and that's also why I got a table like this on the page I'm working on now:
[14:26:28] <Bytram> let me check for a bit to make sure I've got the right version
[14:26:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> stderr, return sprintf("&#x%x;", ord($char));
[14:25:30] <Bytram> stderr: right, but when looking at a web page, it's nice to have the translation righ there in front of me instead of having to DO something in order to see it.
[14:25:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg. my personal inbox doth not overflow at the moment so shurg.
[14:24:55] <stderr> Bytram: It's not that hard to go from UTF-8 to the hex-encoded values.
[14:24:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess i should get on staff so i can have a "work" email address for that shat.
[14:24:43] <Bender> karma - coffee: 330
[14:24:43] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:24:41] <Bytram> hrm, now let me *find* it! LOL!
[14:24:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure
[14:24:03] <Bytram> let me send it to you.
[14:23:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> had to fix that to get your massive entities posts working right
[14:23:57] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: oh, that reminds me... I've got an updated NamedCharacterEntity test page that states, immediately after the raw UTF-8 octets what the hex-encoded values are supposed to be.
[14:23:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, my version just passes anything through not on the blocklist.
[14:23:14] <crutchy> dunno off the top of my head how that could be exploited. maybe should ask khyber :-P
[14:22:54] <Bytram> hmm,, or was that while NC had the site?
[14:22:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, yes. not comprehensive enough ones but they exist
[14:22:22] <Bytram> e.g. I tried having a comment that contained: <dt class="EntNamedChar">&hellip;</dt> and it came back as "<dt>&&hellip;</dt>
[14:21:52] <crutchy> like sid etc
[14:21:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, they USED to...
[14:21:43] <crutchy> is there filtering for get/post parameters?
[14:21:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> either way, not much to support or not.
[14:21:13] <Bytram> I did a little experimenting and it looks like the slash filters strip bunches of stuff from HTML entities on the comments page.
[14:20:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> stderr, zactly
[14:20:45] <stderr> TheMightyBuzzard: Does it really or does it just dump whatever data it receives?
[14:20:34] <KonomiNetbook> me either
[14:20:26] <Bytram> nope
[14:20:15] <KonomiNetbook> are you brave enough to get it
[14:20:11] <KonomiNetbook> Bytram: I coded that information into base64 then inserted it into obfuscated jscript
[14:20:10] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:19:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> not that there's much to support or not for curl
[14:19:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> but hell, even curl supports utf-8
[14:19:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp
[14:19:11] <Bytram> but seriously, any idea of where I could find a list of browsers and their versions and when they started to support UTF-8 (properly)???
[14:19:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> good incentive to get a utf-8 browser working on their hobby os though
[14:18:07] <Bytram> crutchy: contagious?
[14:17:54] <crutchy> what's a little charsex between friends
[14:17:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> which could conceivably be part of our audience
[14:17:49] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:17:40] <Bytram> or, if they *were* using a non-UTF-8 aware browser, (e.g. hobbiest running a browser on a Commodore 64), would be unable/unwilling to install/run a different browser
[14:17:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> like you know, hobbyists
[14:17:30] <chromas> Milton down in storage b
[14:17:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> trs-80 legacy users maybe
[14:16:36] <Bytram> I'm trying to think of some kind of community that would not have access to a UTF-8 aware browser
[14:16:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> not a whole lot of VMS users left in the world
[14:16:13] <Bytram> that said,,,
[14:16:10] <Bytram> thing is, it's not *just* our page... the code is open source, so there's the idea that someone else could take the code and run with it... IOW it's not just *our* target audience to be concerned with, but *any* potential subset of internet users
[14:15:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ditto any os that's old enough it can't deal with utf-8 sanely
[14:14:51] <Bytram> you think?
[14:14:44] * Bytram hopes that helps.
[14:14:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyone still using ie6 has way worse problems than the right encoding on our page.
[14:14:39] <Bender> karma - coffee: 329
[14:14:39] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:14:36] <SedBot> <Bytram> after you
[14:14:36] <Bytram> s/afer/after/
[14:14:21] <Bytram> afer you
[14:14:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, fuck em
[14:14:02] <stderr> Of course you could try to detect the charset...
[14:13:58] <Bytram> but there's still bunches of old stuff out there... e.g. I.E. 6
[14:13:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, web is largely stateless. in this instance that means, unless i'm mistaken, nobody coding browser or website bothers remembering what was requested and just goes with what is returned.
[14:13:41] <Bytram> one could, within reason, expect most modern browsers to handle UTF-8...
[14:13:41] <stderr> But it's annoying that it doesn't use the same charset as the page.
[14:13:20] <stderr> Bytram: Good question.
[14:12:46] <Bytram> stderr: so, if the *browser* understands UTF-8, then it can take, ummm, corrective action, even if the user specifies ISO 8859-1; but what about the other way around?
[14:12:42] * chromas backs away slowly
[14:12:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha
[14:12:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> kinda like SN
[14:12:25] <stderr> "My god! It's full of n00bs!"
[14:12:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> sometimes. often useful shat there too.
[14:12:05] <stderr> But then again, it's stack overflow and that's full of idiots.
[14:11:39] <monopoly> ^ 03rest - Detecting the character encoding of an HTTP POST request - Stack Overflow
[14:11:38] <stderr> From http://stackoverflow.com
[14:11:26] <stderr> "@CiaranMcNulty that's actually not true, some browsers don't do it. I tried this on FF, forcing the page charset to iso-8859-1, and it still submitted the form in UTF-8"
[14:11:22] <stderr> Hmm... Guess I was wrong...
[14:11:18] <chromas> If they're smart enough to change it then they're probably not still on Windows 98 :)
[14:11:17] <Bytram> I can easily go in and change mine to say I am running "Etch-a-Sketch 2020"
[14:10:55] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:10:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> well usually it is but not if they change it
[14:10:40] * Bytram thinks a bit
[14:10:29] <Bytram> useragent is not meaningful.
[14:10:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> instead i think ima just assume that this is 2014 and people can read utf-8
[14:10:16] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: that's just way *too* error-prone
[14:09:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, what it can accept, no. we could parse the useragent and go by that or we could go by what the request was made with but...
[14:09:40] * Bytram or should I change my nick to Hunter2 ??
[14:09:36] <chromas> Bytram: better expire that session, mister!
[14:09:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[14:09:17] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: noticed, thanks. Already logged out and back in again to get a new one... that should do it, right?
[14:09:11] * chromas is already flamebaiting with his account
[14:08:57] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I don't see anything in the request that tells SN what charset it can accept... ??
[14:08:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you just spouted your cookie over irc. bad bad idea.
[14:08:25] <chromas> Seems like charset=utf-8 should be part of the request header
[14:07:10] <crutchy> wow! i want one of those for christmas!
[14:06:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, yeah i guess we could tell what their default is set to.
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[14:04:26] <Bytram> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 11:59:29 GMT
[14:04:24] <Bytram> Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
[14:04:22] <Bytram> X-Bender: Let's commence preparations for rumbling!
[14:04:18] <Bytram> X-Powered-By: slashcode 14.04.2
[14:04:16] <Bytram> Server: Apache/1.3.42 (Unix) mod_perl/1.31
[14:04:14] <Bytram> Content-Encoding: gzip
[14:04:12] <Bytram> Vary: User-Agent
[14:04:10] <Bytram> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
[14:04:08] <Bytram> Connection: keep-alive
[14:04:06] <Bytram> Cookie: user=76::Eb3R1NpXWV9pSJ7SDXolvd
[14:04:04] <Bytram> DNT: 1
[14:04:02] <Bytram> Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
[14:04:00] <Bytram> Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5
[14:03:59] <Bytram> Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
[14:03:59] <Bytram> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0
[14:03:59] <Bytram> Host: soylentnews.org
[14:03:58] <Bytram> GET / HTTP/1.1
[14:03:56] <Bytram> here's a request and reply for the main page of SoylentNews.org:
[14:03:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> yerg, i need to figure out a way to limit the bandwidth to youtube. stupid 10 hour bacon pancakes is maxing out my connection
[14:03:29] <crutchy> ooh that's evil. must resist... *click*
[14:03:16] <Bytram> stderr: that's what I was just checking... LiveHTTPHeaders addon for FireFox is *really* handy for such things
[14:02:49] <monopoly> ^ 03Wizards In Heat | Robot Chicken | Adult Swim - YouTube: Harry Potter is confronted by the Pubertis Monster. SUBSCRIBE: http://bit.ly About Robot Chicken: Robot Chicken is Adult Swim's long-runni...
[14:02:49] <chromas> crutchy: http://www.youtube.com
[14:02:43] <stderr> It's ducked!
[14:02:30] <crutchy> the internet is fucked
[14:02:21] <crutchy> the duck one has 162,826,267 views!
[14:01:41] <crutchy> holy fucking shit that last youtube has 152,587,932 views
[14:01:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> reminds me, i think we may still have that set wrong on the comment reply template
[14:00:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> stderr, depends on the accept-charset field, supposedly.
[14:00:18] <monopoly> ^ 03Potter Puppet Pals: The Mysterious Ticking Noise - YouTube: http://www.potterpuppetpals.com Snape hears a strange ticking sound. Love ensues.
[14:00:17] <crutchy> or there's always the classic http://www.youtube.com
[13:59:31] <stderr> Bytram: Actually you do... If the form is on a "UTF-8" page, the browser is sending UTF-8 back to the server.
[13:59:30] <monopoly> ^ 03The Duck Song - YouTube: Song by Bryant Oden. Video by Forrest Whaley. iOS app out now! Works on iPod Touch, iPad, & iPhone... https://itunes.apple.com
[13:59:29] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard: http://www.youtube.com
[13:59:18] * Bytram thinks that's gotta be one *long* video!
[13:58:55] <monopoly> ^ 03Makin' Bacon Pancakes 10 HOUR VERSION! - YouTube: Don't Forget to Share! Thanks for the 2 million views! Bacon Pancakes 10 HOURS! (❍ᴥ❍ʋ) - "Bacon pancakes, makin' bacon pancakes, take some bacon and I'll put...
[13:58:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, http://www.youtube.com
[13:58:52] <Bytram> oops, I just realized I may be wrong with that one... hold on for a bit
[13:58:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, pretty much, yeah.
[13:58:25] * crutchy must... close... browser...
[13:58:08] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: correct me if I'm wrong, but short of using JavaScript or somesuch, we have no way of *knowing* what charset the user is using, right?
[13:58:05] <monopoly> ^ 03Jonathan Gorman - Blog - One byte, two bytes - A journey into wtf-8encoding.: Every profession has its war stories. Those challenges that separate the newcomers to the grizzle...
[13:58:04] <crutchy> http://www.j-gorman.com
[13:57:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> one of the perks of not yet being staff is i don't have to take bullshit that annoys me into account.
[13:57:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> now paulej or NC might but that's on them.
[13:57:07] <Bytram> jk
[13:57:02] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: wimp. =)
[13:56:20] <monopoly> ^ 03stupidopedia - Squirrel Aids ( http://stupidopedia.wikispaces.com )
[13:56:18] <crutchy> http://stupidopedia.wikispaces.com
[13:56:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not gonna code special for IE or lynx either one.
[13:56:06] <exec> [google translate] Ein Event-Fan, Pseudo-Fußballfan, Eventspacko oder Mitläufer-Fan ist ein vermeintlicher Fußballfan, der exakt alle zwei Jahre zur Europa (auto -> en): An event supporter, pseudo-football fan or follower Eventspacko fan is a supposed football fan exactly every two years for Europe
[13:56:04] <chromas> ~translate en Ein Event-Fan, Pseudo-Fußballfan, Eventspacko oder Mitläufer-Fan ist ein vermeintlicher Fußballfan, der exakt alle zwei Jahre zur Europa
[13:55:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, as long as we're doing right, there's no prollem as far as i'm concerned.
[13:55:42] <chromas> crutchy: you'll just have to copy/paste each sentence into irc
[13:55:22] * crutchy wishes there was an english version
[13:55:11] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: but, as you pointed out, there's theory and reality (your DB experience with 4-octet UTF-8 chars coming back as "????")
[13:55:01] <crutchy> its in german though
[13:54:48] <crutchy> wow! did you you know there's a www.stupidedia.org !?
[13:54:44] <chromas> That sounds about right
[13:54:18] <Bytram> btw, did you know that among programmers, the universlly best-known language is profanity?
[13:53:50] <Bytram> =)
[13:53:46] <Bytram> what?
[13:53:37] <chromas> crutchy: it's like utf but twice as universal
[13:53:31] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: appreciate the offer, but if we've got a few weeks available with the release candidate, that would be fine.
[13:53:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, zactly
[13:53:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, there needs to be a better way to edit a db than with php. something you can use from the console.
[13:52:49] <Bytram> and, i suppose, that (assuming) our *server* properly flags the content type, and we always flag the content "charset=utf-8", then at least we've informed the client (browser)what to expect, and we can leave it to the client to do the right thing?
[13:52:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> i may set my vm up to be public to the world this morning so you can monkey with it
[13:52:11] <crutchy> now i have to browse :-(
[13:52:01] <crutchy> aww
[13:51:58] <exec> wtf-8: unable to find definition
[13:51:52] <crutchy> ~define wtf-8
[13:51:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> we should do some high ascii testing though to make sure it gets translated properly
[13:51:20] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:51:05] <Bytram> crutchy: try doing that with the Lynx character browser
[13:51:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, yes you are. all major and most minor oses support utf-8 out of the box and will render as utf-8 if the character encoding is set correctly on our end, which it is.
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[13:50:46] <crutchy> just install WTF-8 and everything will be swell
[13:50:07] <Bytram> I'm not necessarily gonna have UTF-8 installed, is my point.
[13:49:48] <Bytram> or, if I am viewing with "Windows 1252"
[13:49:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, we have a bit of code that converts 128-255 to unicode code points on incoming text, so it would look fine and be proper utf-8 from us.
[13:48:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> not unless my character encoding is off or you're buggily forcing it to view in latin-1 somehow
[13:48:32] <Bytram> am I missing something there?
[13:48:18] <Bytram> or, for the sake of argument, the other way around; you *post* ISO-8859-1 and I *view* with UTF-8
[13:47:44] <Bytram> so, let's say *you* post some stuff using UTF-8 that has characters in 128-255, and I view it using ISO 8859-1, I'm gonna see Mojibake, right?
[13:46:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, nod nod
[13:46:39] <Bytram> but, in UTF-8 those (128-255) get mapped to two octets
[13:46:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> one i think
[13:46:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> or was it one
[13:46:01] <Bytram> at least according to ISO 8859-1
[13:45:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> and stored in two bytes.
[13:45:51] <Bytram> ascii 128..255 have, historically for most users, been Latin-1 (with greek symbols, etc.)
[13:45:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> essentially the same, yes
[13:45:19] <Bytram> ascii==UTF-8 for 0..127 (by definition)
[13:45:09] <Bytram> quesiton; bear with me for a bit, k?
[13:44:50] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders
[13:44:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> not the prettiest for sure
[13:44:27] <Bytram> btw, that reminds me!
[13:44:14] <Bytram> even at 13 it's ugly
[13:44:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> toldja it's ugly at small sizes
[13:43:40] <Bytram> oh. blegh!
[13:42:54] * Bytram is gonna need a much bigger monitor
[13:42:29] <Bytram> looks like I was using "Consolas 10" ... let me try "Unifont CSUR" with hexchat
[13:42:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, nod nod. it's ugly in the small sizes. i had to bump it up to 13 for it to be usable with hexchat
[13:41:42] <chromas> That's after it's done Making
[13:41:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> aur/ttf-unifont-csur
[13:41:41] <Bytram> huh! Unless I use a *large* font size, the regular letters/numbers look ugly with "Unifont CSUR"
[13:41:31] <chromas> "Could not find or read package"
[13:41:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, odd, i just updated it today
[13:41:08] <chromas> I just tried to install unifont from aur and all I got was a bunch of errors
[13:41:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, unifont updates every once in a while as they add glyphs to the font.
[13:40:39] <Bytram> huh?
[13:40:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, unifont
[13:40:28] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: new version of ???
[13:40:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like they felt the need for some poop
[13:40:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, new version released over the weekend
[13:39:50] <crutchy> or something
[13:39:49] * Bytram is using HexChat
[13:39:47] <crutchy> 4 A 9
[13:39:44] <crutchy> i think 0 1 F
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[13:39:38] <Bytram> thot I was
[13:39:29] <crutchy> i see a box with 6 chinese looking characters
[13:39:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> you using unifont?
[13:39:11] <Bytram> I just see a box with four zeroes in it.
[13:38:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> s
[13:38:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, unifont added 💩 to its glyphs
[13:38:52] <Bytram> my skills in that realm are more of the conceptual variety... that there's gotta be *something* that I could put in there that would cause trouble.
[13:38:25] <crutchy> Bytram mee too. i'm assuming its the dog poop but really i haave nfi :-P
[13:38:23] <chromas> 💩-burglars.net
[13:38:11] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:38:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, feel free to test once we get a 14-08 RC up on dev
[13:38:01] <Bytram> I just see a utf-8 box
[13:37:47] * Bytram thinks of "quake" whenever he sees "crisp"; two equally sugary breakfast cereals from the 1970's
[13:37:21] <crutchy> the world needs 💩.com
[13:37:08] <Bytram> crutchy: nod nod
[13:37:04] <chromas> crutchy: injecting 💩
[13:36:56] <Bytram> crisp: nod nod
[13:36:50] <Bytram> was wondering if the place where the "[domain-name]" is displayed could be augmented with a "[UTF-8]" or somesuch flag.
[13:36:28] <crutchy> like inject js?
[13:36:12] <Bytram> btw, I'm thinking there's a bunch of really wacky stuff folks can do to URLs using UTF-8...
[13:35:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> same situation but a cup ahead of ya
[13:35:28] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: how's things?
[13:35:27] <Bender> karma - coffee: 328
[13:35:27] <crutchy> coffee++
[13:35:22] <Bytram> =)
[13:35:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 327
[13:35:21] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:35:17] <Bytram> see!
[13:35:11] <Bender> karma - coffe: 2
[13:35:10] <Bytram> coffe++ needed, for sure!
[13:35:02] <Bytram> here I was trrying a smart-alek-y thing with the "++" making it exponential, ad it suddenlt comes back interpretted as a "++", and then I see it was *your* "++" that did it.
[13:34:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> too early for beeps?
[13:34:13] <Bytram> man, you got me with that one!
[13:34:02] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: morning!
[13:33:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Bytram
[13:33:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 326
[13:33:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:33:48] <Bytram> coffee**8
[13:33:44] * Bytram thinks that's not enough
[13:33:31] <Bender> karma - coffee: 325
[13:33:31] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:33:28] <Bytram> g'day
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[13:32:32] <crutchy> g'day Bytram|away
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[13:30:54] <chromas> I guess I could detect when they accidentally their own ampersands
[13:29:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, hafta try harder next time
[13:28:39] * chromas is surprised it's not my fault this time
[13:28:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, it amuses me that my shat works better'n theirs n it's not even finished yet.
[13:27:37] <chromas> oh I see why it the entity didn't get resolved
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[13:10:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> &#x0066;ail, Twitter, &#x0066;ail.
[13:05:49] <monopoly> ^ 03Twitter / famousquotenet: It is now very common to hear ...: Connect with your friends &#8212; and other fascinating people. Get in-the-moment updates on the things that interest you. And watch events unfold, in real time, from...
[13:05:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> i knew there was a reason i dug stephen fry. guy's both smart and funny. https://twitter.com
[13:02:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> back at ya, crutchy
[13:02:48] <crutchy> g'day TheMightyBuzzard
[13:02:22] <stderr> Yes, exactly the same thing.
[13:02:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> stderr, u+0007 and ^g as well
[13:01:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> no worries. fixed it. they'd unset the suid bit in an update apparently.
[13:01:14] <stderr> TheMightyBuzzard: Ah... Good, old \a.
[13:00:23] <chromas> ^ It's done
[13:00:00] <chromas> Beep
[12:57:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> i use it for telling me when shit gets finished that i don't wanna watch
[12:57:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[12:56:38] <chromas> Beep? Pc speaker?
[12:56:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> maaaan, stupid arch broke beep for me over the past week
[12:56:15] <chromas> No
[12:55:44] <stderr> chromas: Are you sure about that?
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[12:52:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> weekly reboot after kernel update
[12:47:27] <SedBot> <chromas> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Game Creation Kit 'Gamemaker' Becomes Open Source - http://sylnt.us - point-and-click-adventures
[12:47:27] <chromas> Bender: s/ Develop/maker/
[12:41:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Game Creation Kit 'Game Develop' Becomes Open Source - http://sylnt.us - point-and-click-adventures
[12:31:32] <Bender> karma - coffee: 324
[12:31:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:03:47] <crutchy> hi stderr
[10:59:23] <stderr> crutchy
[10:51:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Study: FAA's Ruling on Smartphones During Takeoff has had Little Impact - http://sylnt.us - airplane-mode
[10:50:04] * crutchy wonders where arti is taking care to
[10:44:44] * arti takes care
[10:44:28] <crutchy> cya arti. take care
[10:44:14] <arti> alright, i'm off, catch you guys later
[10:44:07] <arti> moon lighting
[10:43:51] <crutchy> wtf... mrbluze's last line: "*** MrBluze is now known as chromas" lol
[10:39:46] <crutchy> todot¿
[10:39:25] <Bender> todo for crutchy: 1) rewrite slashcode in assembly 2) dig up monolith on the moon 3) fuck beta 4) prepare draft RFC8008135 5) make a bash bot to have bot fights with sedbot 6) bacon+noodles 7) complete todo list items 8) goto todot item 7
[10:39:25] <crutchy> !todo
[10:39:23] <chromas> I just wanted to play with it without clogging ## too much
[10:38:30] * arti hoists another todo note onto the pile
[10:38:14] * chromas wishes ciri would accept invites
[10:37:43] <crutchy> hehe
[10:37:36] <crutchy> ciri likes talking to paulej72
[10:34:27] <chromas> Poor crutchy's been beaten so many times he's the example
[10:34:15] <arti> someone on an unstable connection perhaps?
[10:33:41] <crutchy> haha arti's more trolly than me in the afternoon :-P
[10:33:32] <monopoly> ^ 03Nettalk - www.ntalk.de - IRC-Client ( http://www.ntalk.de )
[10:33:30] <chromas> I wonder how http://www.ntalk.de became the most referenced url
[10:29:53] <crutchy> bleh that version makes me look even worse :-/
[10:28:57] <monopoly> ^ 03#soylent @ SoylentNews stats by swiss
[10:28:56] <crutchy> http://veryoblivio.us
[10:28:55] <crutchy> oh wow swiss has stats too
[10:27:47] * chromas farts in your general direction
[10:27:05] <hka> crutchy the facebook relay
[10:26:56] * arti shares this
[10:26:55] <crutchy> oh someone should disable that feature
[10:26:45] * chromas likes this
[10:26:22] <crutchy> omg_im_so_awesome says: my poo stinks. it was green... here i took a shitty selfy for all you guys!
[10:25:30] <crutchy> i'm programmed to spit out random shit from facebook
[10:25:26] <arti> its late
[10:25:10] <arti> he's actually just uses a file with some lines in it and has his client dispatch them through the course of the day
[10:25:05] <crutchy> nah my mute button broke
[10:24:37] <hka> crutchy: do you never sleep? You top all the time of day stats:P
[10:24:36] <crutchy> i wanna try and make a statty page for exec usage. not very fancy like the soylent one, but might have a bit of a play with gd
[10:24:21] <chromas> With link to a pic
[10:23:59] <chromas> I'm in there
[10:21:37] <crutchy> and doesn't have chromas
[10:21:16] <monopoly> ^ 03#Soylent stats: 7.7.2014!
[10:21:15] <crutchy> the relation chart looks like it might be an old one.... it still has hax0rz in it http://antiartificial.com
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[10:20:03] <arti> mebbe on google drives!
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[10:18:33] <crutchy> or light sounds
[10:18:23] <crutchy> they store their data in light waves
[10:17:54] <crutchy> must be an uber advanced hard drive instead of a regular 'pleb' hard drive with the ancient 'magnetic shit'
[10:16:33] <chromas> They also occasionally show an animation on the computer screen of a wireframe harddrive with a photograph tonearm instead of a regular armature
[10:15:50] <crutchy> oh wow google translate actually returned something that made sense
[10:15:14] <exec> [google translate] Uma das cenas mais ridiculas de sempre das series de TV! - ah e tal estamos a ser hackados - não te preocupes que se teclarmos os dois no mesmo keyboard (auto -> en): One of the most ridiculous scenes ever series of TV! - Oh and such are being hackados - do not worry that teclarmos both at the same keyboard
[10:15:13] <crutchy> ~translate en Uma das cenas mais ridiculas de sempre das series de TV! - ah e tal estamos a ser hackados - não te preocupes que se teclarmos os dois no mesmo keyboard
[10:14:58] <crutchy> oops
[10:14:52] <exec> [google translate] das cenas mais ridiculas de sempre das series de TV! - ah e tal estamos a ser hackados - não te preocupes que se teclarmos os dois no mesmo keyboard (auto -> Uma): of the most ridiculous scenes ever series of TV! - Oh and such are being hackados - do not worry that teclarmos both at the same keyboard
[10:14:49] <crutchy> ~translate Uma das cenas mais ridiculas de sempre das series de TV! - ah e tal estamos a ser hackados - não te preocupes que se teclarmos os dois no mesmo keyboard
[10:14:34] <crutchy> eh?
[10:14:25] <monopoly> ^ 03NCIS 2 IDIOTS 1 KEYBOARD - YouTube: Uma das cenas mais ridiculas de sempre das series de TV! - ah e tal estamos a ser hackados - não te preocupes que se teclarmos os dois no mesmo keyboard cons...
[10:14:25] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[10:10:58] <chromas> monopoly: way to spoil it
[10:10:07] <monopoly> ^ 03It's a Unix system - YouTube: A classic scene from Jurassic Park (1993), memorable quote "it's a Unix system, I know this". - Lex Murphy
[10:10:06] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[10:09:18] <SedBot> <chromas> <crutchy> hopes he doesn't need to have eunichs
[10:09:18] <chromas> crutchy: s/unix/to have eunichs/
[10:08:40] <chromas> With a capital NIX
[10:08:17] * crutchy hopes he doesn't need unix
[10:07:54] <monopoly> ^ 03Subsentient/bricktick · GitHub: bricktick - A simple ncurses based breakout game for UNIX. ( https://github.com )
[10:07:53] <Subsentient> crutchy: http://github.com
[10:07:50] <crutchy> oh yeah :-P
[10:07:36] <crutchy> your whatout game?
[10:07:18] <Subsentient> crutchy: wanna test my breakout game?
[10:07:09] <Subsentient> hi crutchy
[10:07:00] <crutchy> g'day Subsentient
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[10:06:17] <crutchy> 15000 is better than 24000
[10:05:45] <crutchy> yay i'm not so trolly
[10:05:41] <chromas> Adhesive medical strips
[10:05:30] <chromas> Get the bacon scented ones
[10:05:30] <arti> just a sec
[10:05:28] <arti> i don't believe that's accurate
[10:04:52] * crutchy fetches bandage for his cut
[10:04:32] <arti> updated
[10:03:44] <arti> i CUT YOU!
[10:02:08] <crutchy> !stats-wtf-zomg-pony!
[10:01:40] <crutchy> !stats-nfi
[10:01:27] <arti> !stats-ffs
[10:00:31] <crutchy> !stats-make-crutchy-look-less-like-a-troll
[10:00:17] <crutchy> !stats-reset-all
[10:00:07] <crutchy> !stats-update
[09:59:52] <arti> just a sec i'll update it
[09:59:25] <arti> no, i'm not quite certain how it runs to be honest
[09:59:14] <crutchy> oh where's your website link?
[09:58:46] <crutchy> it just uses your website then?
[09:58:41] <arti> bender isn't mine
[09:58:39] <Bender> stat results for #Soylent: crutchy: 24548, xlefay: 11596, arti: 10326, unknown: 10119, MrBluze: 9593, NCommander: 7642, kobach: 7050, TheMightyBuzzard: 5573, michealpwalls: 5386, chromas: 5342, prospectacle: 5316, Subsentient: 3380, Bytram: 3120, Konomi: 3008, n1: 2951, Blackmoore: 2870, SpallsHurgenson: 2843, paulej72: 2782, hax0rz: 2675, Landon: 2632, mrcoolbp: 2488, mattie_p: 2466, Bender: 2436, Ethanol-fueled: 2308, stderr: 2266, janrinok: 2223,
[09:58:32] <crutchy> yeah
[09:58:27] <arti> ^- this one right?
[09:58:22] <Bender> creating stats for channel #Soylent (Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970)
[09:58:22] <arti> !stats
[09:58:06] <arti> heh, i don't operate that one
[09:57:48] <crutchy> arti, can the stats thingy be made to pm instead of out to #soylent?
[09:43:34] <arti> i've used lint for js >.>
[09:43:05] * arti examines
[09:43:03] <arti> left off with array creation
[09:42:38] * arti was balls deep in compiler land last night
[09:41:59] <monopoly> ^ 03ndmitchell/hlint · GitHub: hlint - Haskell source code suggestions
[09:41:58] <crutchy> arti, looks interesting: https://github.com
[09:38:54] <crutchy> i dunno how the hell github thinks one of my files is assembly. it starts with <?php
[09:37:37] <crutchy> don't mind me. i completely misread your message and farted my brain out
[09:35:15] <crutchy> i don't want to know what obama does behind the curtain, especially after toto runs in there
[09:34:40] <arti> you don't try and convince them that the world was black and white, and just as the wizard of oz was being filmed that's when the transition occured?
[09:34:31] <crutchy> hahaha i just realised chromas tricked the color code for the 100s and 1000s define :-P
[09:33:26] <crutchy> i'm not that mean to my kids
[09:33:15] <crutchy> nah that would be just cruel
[09:33:03] <crutchy> ooh horsey :-D
[09:32:59] <arti> maybe that's what you can call the offspring when you're upset
[09:32:30] <crutchy> hobama
[09:32:00] <arti> hoversquatch
[09:31:39] <arti> hank
[09:31:29] <crutchy> hoohoo?
[09:31:18] <arti> h...
[09:31:12] <crutchy> pfft
[09:30:57] <exec> [www.urbandictionary.com] 3Seven of Nine: Character in Star Trek: Voyager played by Jeri Ryan from 1997-2001. She used to be a Borg, but The Doctor got rid of a lot of her implants. However, she was assimilated as a little girl, so parts of h...
[09:30:54] <crutchy> ~define seven of nine
[09:29:37] <crutchy> only awesome people know assembly :-P
[09:29:09] * crutchy feels so l33t hax0r now
[09:28:53] <crutchy> github thinks one of my poohp files is assembly
[09:28:26] <arti> pfft, you've been plotting to get a tattoo of their logo
[09:27:26] <crutchy> don't look at me. i have nfi how that site works :-P
[09:26:50] <exec> [www.stoacademy.com] 3hundreds and thousands: andorian - A race from the Alpha quadrant. They have blue skin and two antennas on their head. They are one of the founding races of the federation.
[09:26:45] <chromas> ~define hundreds and thousands
[09:26:40] <exec> [www.stoacademy.com] 3100s and 1000s: andorian - A race from the Alpha quadrant. They have blue skin and two antennas on their head. They are one of the founding races of the federation.
[09:26:31] <chromas> ~define 100s and 1000s
[09:25:55] <chromas> I don't remember SP giving a definition
[09:25:32] <exec> [www.urbandictionary.com] 3titty sprinkles: When you jizz on a bitch's tits and let it dry, then rub them together and it falls off looking like sprinkles - made famous by Cartman on South Park in the Tourette's episode.
[09:25:31] <chromas> ~define titty sprinkles
[09:25:02] <exec> definition for term "fairy bread" set to "buttered bread or sangas with 100s and 1000s sprinkles... yummmmmm!"
[09:25:00] <crutchy> ~define-add fairy bread, buttered bread or sangas with 100s and 1000s sprinkles... yummmmmm!
[09:23:52] <crutchy> aww
[09:23:48] <exec> fairy bread: unable to find definition
[09:23:43] <crutchy> ~define fairy bread
[09:23:20] <arti> pixie yeast?
[09:21:39] * crutchy offers fairy bread
[09:21:18] * arti opens the pizza valve
[09:21:13] <chromas> Hey crutchy
[09:21:10] <arti> :D
[09:21:05] <crutchy> good evening all
[09:21:00] <Bender> karma - chocolateheadache: -1
[09:21:00] <chromas> chocolateheadache--
[09:20:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Dark Chocolate May Help Peripheral Artery Disease - http://sylnt.us - will-walk-for-chocolate
[09:20:38] * arti pulls his cheek away from his teeth quickly
[09:20:18] * arti makes notes to face away
[09:20:08] <arti> sexual noises towards you, but not away from
[09:19:53] <exec> [www.urbandictionary.com] 3audio rape: 1)Having to hear an overplayed song. 2)Being forced to hear a fucked up sound. 3)Having someone make sexual noises towards you.
[09:19:51] <chromas> ~define audio rape
[09:19:43] <arti> g'day
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[09:14:11] <arti> audio rape.
[09:14:03] <arti> lol the graphic on the mic.com "stop audio rape intrusion"
[08:38:18] <chromas> That was the first one I noticed the repeating drone noise
[08:29:04] <arti> how about just trailers in general
[08:05:55] <chromas> it's all those movie trailers since District 9
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[08:00:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Mysterious Sound is Driving People Insane - http://sylnt.us - I'm-sorry-but-I-can't-hear-you...
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[05:33:36] <chromas> Doesn't work very well, though
[05:32:10] <chromas> One of several cards
[05:31:40] <chromas> Never seen that before. Forbes on mobile lets me swipe to the side and the article becomes one of several I can swipe between
[05:30:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Star Trek: The Next Generation Series 8 - http://sylnt.us - to-go-baldly
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[05:15:17] <Bytram|away> this time for sure!
[05:15:08] <Bytram|away> those were the 3-most-recent links that just appeared in #rss-bot; seemed to take 'em from *before* the cradle tight up to the working days. =)
[05:14:14] <monopoly> ^ 03Do Our Kids Really Need To Learn How To Code? - Forbes: While our new technologies will one day render our current programming languages about as useful as Latin earning how to code is much more than ad hoc.
[05:14:13] <Bytram|away> http://www.forbes.com
[05:14:04] <monopoly> ^ 03Earth Day: Toys That Teach Kids What Really Matters - In Photos: Smart Toys That Teach Kids What Really Matters - Forbes: How do you teach children to protect the very resources that will affect their future and their children&#039;s future? Trying to teach kids to think critically about...
[05:14:03] <Bytram|away> http://www.forbes.com
[05:13:41] <monopoly> ^ 03Remote-controlled chip could be the future of contraceptives - CNET: A tiny chip implanted under a woman's skin can deliver hormonal birth control for up to 16 years and is entering pre-clinical trials next year. ( http://www.cnet.com )
[05:13:40] <Bytram|away> http://feedproxy.google.com
[05:12:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep again
[05:12:54] <Bytram|away> Anyway, nite nite everyone!
[05:12:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[05:12:33] <Bytram|away> cantt remember which doc it was, but I found one which had either 4 or 5 layers of abstractions / layers and nomenclature to go with it just to explain, clearly, what was going where and with what.
[05:11:22] <Bytram|away> nod nod; but be *very* careful about terminology. there's a big difference between UTF-8 (Unicode Trans-something Format) vs Unicode which contains the actual specifications of the characters and the code points at which they are located.
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[05:09:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to have to do an install doc and writeup on what's good n bad n ugly bout unicode support for NC so he can do the deploy n meta post next month.
[05:09:15] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: g'night!
[05:08:58] <Bytram> I think I've had enouuh fun for one day. gonna call it a good one and head off.
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[05:08:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[05:08:26] <Bytram> then, picturing where in the SoylentNews UI each of them could appear, and how, and what kinds of nasty things I could construct with UTF-8... =)
[05:07:33] <Bytram> but, it's ben a blast learning about utf-8 encoding, different character sets, unicode standards, ISO-xyzzy, RFCs nnnn and all that!
[05:06:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, same
[05:06:31] <Bytram> 3.) Lost my place; it's late and I'm tired.
[05:06:02] <Bytram> I hope it does, now. On the main site, I can't tell you how many times preview box looks fine, and then after a save it's got Mojibake throughout
[05:05:06] <Bytram> 2.) if I've got, say, 5 of these 4-octet characters in a row, I'd (curently) see 20 ascii question mark characters
[05:04:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> barring a bug, preview shows exactly as it will appear.
[05:04:29] <Bytram> 1.) not common characters, so low-probability. agree
[05:04:03] <Bytram> whoa!
[05:03:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, preview takes care of that
[05:03:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, tonight i'm feeling the "leave them question marks" spirit but NC and paulej will prolly want replacement characters.
[05:02:43] <Bytram> we really need some kind of out-of-band signalling method to inform the user that their stuff may be okay, but we're doing something to it, anyway.
[05:02:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, ya perl does that by using \s in a regex on a unicode string
[05:01:53] <Bytram> so, you'd just delete them? Or repalce them with the "replacement character"?
[05:01:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh
[05:01:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, 4byte characters are exceedingly rarely used. i'm okay with them being broke. for now.
[05:01:15] <Bytram> it's just handy when trying to find problematic characters; like looking up everything that could be considered a "SPACE" character of some sort or antoher
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[05:00:36] <Bytram> well, 'characters' actually, but yes, that is true.
[04:59:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> erm... should have been no changes to software for that, only fonts.
[04:58:53] <Bytram> found a handy unicode utility for windows, BabelMap v7.0.0.0; already updated to handle the latest unicode update.
[04:58:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> and a vm
[04:57:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> dual boot for games
[04:57:40] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: can't remember... do you have a windows box?
[04:57:19] * Bytram ponders some more...
[04:57:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, sure sure
[04:56:46] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: so, the db corrupts 4-byte utf-8 chars... can it handle 3-byte?
[04:56:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> with any luck i'll knock utf8=0 into close enough shape for the 14-08 release this week and we'll get two or three weeks of testing in before we go live.
[04:55:20] * Bytram is pondering the ramifications of this new "bit" of data...
[04:54:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[04:54:27] <Bytram> tsk tsk
[04:54:23] <Bytram> Orly? !!!
[04:54:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> question marks
[04:54:07] <Bytram> the "?" are those ascii question marks, or the unicode replacement character?
[04:53:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> they get converted when you convert the table character set
[04:53:42] <Bytram> nod nod; that's *good*
[04:53:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> characters
[04:53:18] <Bytram> is the 255 chars or byes and how big are they, anyway?
[04:53:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, it just replaces them with ????
[04:53:04] <Bytram> so, what *happens* when a 4-byte char gets stored? does the DB just blow up and stop? data corruption? length issues? varchar(255)
[04:52:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> in theory it supported unicode too though.
[04:52:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, in theory.
[04:52:25] <Bytram> I thought slash supported different back-ends already.
[04:52:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, if we stick to every two months release thing, i expect we'll start QA pretty shortly.
[04:51:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly in rewriting the sql modules
[04:51:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> be a lot of differences i expect
[04:50:50] <Bytram> I wonder if there's a difference if we were running with PostgressSql (whatever it's called) instead of MySQL
[04:50:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> is another character set called utf8nb4 or something that's supposed to deal with them but i haven't gotten it to work yet.
[04:50:02] <Bytram> nod nod
[04:49:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> guessing so, perl doesn't mind them.
[04:49:41] <Bytram> is it a database version thing?
[04:49:33] <Bytram> woooooops!
[04:49:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> well it can in theory but not in testing.
[04:49:13] <Bytram> Huh??????!
[04:49:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause the DB can't handle them
[04:48:47] <Bytram> why would you do that?
[04:48:39] <Bytram> oh, 4 *byte*
[04:48:21] <Bytram> you mean like &#x1234;
[04:47:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> though i might do up something to strip out or replace 4byte characters
[04:47:44] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: at some point, there'll need to be a qa system so nothing is changed while tests are being performed
[04:47:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine's pretty much good on the utf8=1 front
[04:47:05] <Bytram> nod nod
[04:46:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, nc's until he gets his stuff solid then who knows.
[04:46:36] <monopoly> ^ 03Samsung releases 3D solid state drive - Pipedot
[04:46:35] <Bytram> http://pipedot.org
[04:44:18] <SedBot> <Bytram> so, with all the chit-chat I kind of forgot... is your utf-8 stuff in there, or is it still NCommander's playground atm
[04:44:18] <Bytram> s/ you / your /
[04:43:50] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: so, with all the chit-chat I kind of forgot... is you utf-8 stuff in there, or is it still NCommander's playground atm
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[04:42:31] * TheMightyBuzzard hums the animaniacs theme song
[04:42:11] * Bytram notes that wb could also denote Warner Bros whose cartoons brought me much mith and merriment
[04:41:48] <mattie_p> thanks, Bytram
[04:41:31] <Bytram> mattie_p: wb!
[04:41:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> your source dir being hopefully up to date with github
[04:41:26] <Bytram> in the slashbox on the left-hand side titled "Dev.SN " would be a goodplace to put a link to the version / update history
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[04:40:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> basically you sit in your source dir and ../deployslashcode.sh
[04:40:41] <Bytram> nod nod
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[04:39:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what i'm saying. put the branch and commit# on the front page
[04:39:47] * Bytram assumes one could build multiple instances with different commits in them; then select one of those to run. right?
[04:39:25] <Bytram> *it* might, but how can I tell which stuff from git is in the version of the site I am currently running?
[04:38:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, github already does that tracking.
[04:38:36] <Bytram> links are nice
[04:38:31] <Bytram> links are ncie
[04:38:20] <Bytram> anything you can do to display version, history, whatever *someplace* on the site would be a HUGE help!
[04:38:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> maybe a link to the commit too then
[04:37:45] <Bytram> I think I follow the cocept, but not sure where I should look to see it. :/
[04:37:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll change the template to put the git commit we're running on the front page somewhere.
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[04:36:25] <Bytram> welcome to English. Two words start appearing adjacent to each other with increasing frequency. Over time, that pairing becomes so common it is treated as a single 'concept' and becomes hyphenated. If it stands the test of time, it eventually gets merged into one word. With enough time, it might even get contracted.
[04:34:50] <chromas> I thought that would be hyphenated
[04:34:38] <exec> [www.wolframalpha.com] 3inpatient: noun | a patient who is residing in the hospital where he is being treated
[04:34:33] <chromas> ~define inpatient
[04:34:28] <Bytram> LOL!
[04:34:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> we should probably be more organized about it, i'll grant you.
[04:33:56] <SedBot> <Bytram> <chromas> Inpatient
[04:33:56] <Bytram> chromas: s/m/n/
[04:33:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, nope. I only know when I go look and there's a bug i already fixed.
[04:33:18] <chromas> Impatient
[04:33:13] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Is there any way *I* can tell what's up with dev.sn.org? I have no idea whether NCommander is still working on it, whether your utf-8 changes are/aren't in it. Is there something obvious I'm missing here?
[04:33:12] <chromas> Yeah but I'm inpatient over here
[04:32:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> whatsizirc is sposed to be back this week, no?
[04:32:43] <chromas> !random
[04:32:25] <chromas> !quote-random
[04:31:59] <chromas> Yeah. Anyone with access to update Bender?
[04:31:19] <Bender> Quote 131 - <crutchy> ubuntu... with bewbs
[04:31:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> !quote bewbs
[04:31:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> something like that?
[04:30:56] <Bytram> :D
[04:30:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> print $quotes[int(rand(scalar @quotes) +1)];
[04:30:47] <Bender> No quotes found with the text '!quote'
[04:30:47] <Bytram> !quote !quote
[04:30:34] <Bender> Quote 11 - <arti> oh, are quotes working?
[04:30:34] <Bytram> !quote quote
[04:29:46] <Bender> No quotes found with the text '💩'
[04:29:46] <chromas> !quote 💩
[04:29:39] <Bender> No quotes found with the text 'random'
[04:29:39] <chromas> !quote random
[04:28:50] <Bytram> chromas: sense no makes
[04:28:32] <chromas> Needs quote random
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[04:27:05] <Bender> Quote -67 - <crutchy> ubuntu... with bewbs
[04:27:05] <chromas> !quote -67
[04:26:49] <chromas> Although you can also quote negative numbers
[04:26:34] <chromas> Because it's a string search; figured it would be for numbers too
[04:26:26] <Bytram> hth
[04:26:10] <Bender> Quote 197 - <chromas> It works for names
[04:26:10] <Bytram> !quote 197
[04:26:02] <Bender> Added quote 197
[04:26:02] <Bytram> !grab chromas
[04:25:59] <chromas> It works for names
[04:25:53] <chromas> Aw
[04:25:48] <Bender> Can't find quote 197
[04:25:48] <chromas> !quote 197
[04:25:43] * Bytram notices there is a 197 in that one
[04:25:34] <Bytram> I think 1978 was a good year.
[04:25:15] <Bender> Added quote 196
[04:25:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> !grab chromas
[04:25:00] * TheMightyBuzzard stands by his wacky shit
[04:24:53] <chromas> Say something with 197 and grab it. That should lead to confusion later
[04:24:38] <Bytram> !
[04:24:36] <Bytram> nograb
[04:24:35] <Bytram> goes both ways, yanno?
[04:24:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> right but now we get to completely make up wacky shit that you may or may not have nograb'd
[04:23:44] <Bytram> LOL!
[04:23:39] <chromas> :D
[04:23:33] <Bytram> =)
[04:23:29] <Bender> Quote 195 - <Bytram> nograb
[04:23:29] <Bytram> !quote 195
[04:23:18] <Bender> Added quote 195
[04:23:18] <chromas> !grab Bytram
[04:22:51] <Bytram> nograb
[04:22:50] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I might be doing it wrong, but at least I'm holding it right! take THAT apple! =)
[04:22:26] <chromas> It's the threat of paranoia
[04:21:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you RTFA? You're doing it wrong.
[04:21:26] <Bytram> so, is it that the threat is counterfeit or is it a threat of having counterfeit stuff; I'm reading tfa and it's still not yet clear!
[04:19:12] <chromas> :D
[04:18:56] <monopoly> ^ 04SN article 03 Does 3D Printing need DRM? 04(11 comments): AndyTheAbsurd writes: I recently came across this article about "Innovations...to pre-empt the counterfeit threat of 3D printing" and I thought "Does 3D printing...
[04:18:55] <chromas> http://soylentnews.org
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[04:16:52] <monopoly> ^ 03 Innovations emerge to pre-empt the counterfeit threat of 3D printing - Blog - World Trademark Review : International
[04:16:50] <Bytram|away> http://www.worldtrademarkreview.com
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[04:01:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Roll with Dicebot, the Tweeting Dice Roller - http://sylnt.us - die-rolling-overlords
[02:56:09] <chromas> Hm, I thought it was new, what with it being sprayed all over the internet lately
[02:55:37] <exec> [www.urbandictionary.com] 3Boffin: (Computer geek) Science boffin Origin: Boffin was a common colloquial term used in Britain during WW2 for the technical experts, the backroom boys, who were helping to win the war An affectionate term...
[02:55:35] <chromas> ~define boffin
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[00:42:50] <chromas> "Well, sir, we found your DNA on her toilet seat, therefore we do know in fact that she was murdered"
[00:42:02] <chromas> "a bit like forensic investigators using DNA testing to prove a crime"
[00:23:09] <AndyTheAbsurd> should be interesting to see what comments appear on that one.
[00:21:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Does 3D Printing need DRM? - http://sylnt.us - hole-in-the-head
[00:11:13] <AndyTheAbsurd> and I'm back in FL, after being in NY June 21-28.
[00:10:32] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p: now that you're out here in NY, NCommander is in AK