#Soylent | Logs for 2014-07-07

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[00:10:32] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p: now that you're out here in NY, NCommander is in AK
[00:11:13] <AndyTheAbsurd> and I'm back in FL, after being in NY June 21-28.
[00:21:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Does 3D Printing need DRM? - http://sylnt.us - hole-in-the-head
[00:23:09] <AndyTheAbsurd> should be interesting to see what comments appear on that one.
[00:42:02] <chromas> "a bit like forensic investigators using DNA testing to prove a crime"
[00:42:50] <chromas> "Well, sir, we found your DNA on her toilet seat, therefore we do know in fact that she was murdered"
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[02:40:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Elastic Band Craze Teaching Children Mathematics and Geometry - http://sylnt.us - someone-somewhere-is-making-money
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[02:55:35] <chromas> ~define boffin
[02:55:37] <exec> [www.urbandictionary.com] 3Boffin: (Computer geek) Science boffin Origin: Boffin was a common colloquial term used in Britain during WW2 for the technical experts, the backroom boys, who were helping to win the war An affectionate term...
[02:56:09] <chromas> Hm, I thought it was new, what with it being sprayed all over the internet lately
[04:01:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Roll with Dicebot, the Tweeting Dice Roller - http://sylnt.us - die-rolling-overlords
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[04:16:50] <Bytram|away> http://www.worldtrademarkreview.com
[04:16:52] <monopoly> ^ 03 Innovations emerge to pre-empt the counterfeit threat of 3D printing - Blog - World Trademark Review : International
[04:17:46] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[04:18:55] <chromas> http://soylentnews.org
[04:18:56] <monopoly> ^ 04SN article 03 Does 3D Printing need DRM? 04(11 comments): AndyTheAbsurd writes: I recently came across this article about "Innovations...to pre-empt the counterfeit threat of 3D printing" and I thought "Does 3D printing...
[04:19:12] <chromas> :D
[04:21:26] <Bytram> so, is it that the threat is counterfeit or is it a threat of having counterfeit stuff; I'm reading tfa and it's still not yet clear!
[04:21:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you RTFA? You're doing it wrong.
[04:22:26] <chromas> It's the threat of paranoia
[04:22:50] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I might be doing it wrong, but at least I'm holding it right! take THAT apple! =)
[04:22:51] <Bytram> nograb
[04:23:18] <chromas> !grab Bytram
[04:23:18] <Bender> Added quote 195
[04:23:29] <Bytram> !quote 195
[04:23:29] <Bender> Quote 195 - <Bytram> nograb
[04:23:33] <Bytram> =)
[04:23:39] <chromas> :D
[04:23:44] <Bytram> LOL!
[04:24:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> right but now we get to completely make up wacky shit that you may or may not have nograb'd
[04:24:35] <Bytram> goes both ways, yanno?
[04:24:36] <Bytram> nograb
[04:24:38] <Bytram> !
[04:24:53] <chromas> Say something with 197 and grab it. That should lead to confusion later
[04:25:00] * TheMightyBuzzard stands by his wacky shit
[04:25:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> !grab chromas
[04:25:15] <Bender> Added quote 196
[04:25:34] <Bytram> I think 1978 was a good year.
[04:25:43] * Bytram notices there is a 197 in that one
[04:25:48] <chromas> !quote 197
[04:25:48] <Bender> Can't find quote 197
[04:25:53] <chromas> Aw
[04:25:59] <chromas> It works for names
[04:26:02] <Bytram> !grab chromas
[04:26:02] <Bender> Added quote 197
[04:26:10] <Bytram> !quote 197
[04:26:10] <Bender> Quote 197 - <chromas> It works for names
[04:26:26] <Bytram> hth
[04:26:34] <chromas> Because it's a string search; figured it would be for numbers too
[04:26:49] <chromas> Although you can also quote negative numbers
[04:27:05] <chromas> !quote -67
[04:27:05] <Bender> Quote -67 - <crutchy> ubuntu... with bewbs
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[04:28:32] <chromas> Needs quote random
[04:28:50] <Bytram> chromas: sense no makes
[04:29:39] <chromas> !quote random
[04:29:39] <Bender> No quotes found with the text 'random'
[04:29:46] <chromas> !quote 💩
[04:29:46] <Bender> No quotes found with the text '💩'
[04:30:34] <Bytram> !quote quote
[04:30:34] <Bender> Quote 11 - <arti> oh, are quotes working?
[04:30:47] <Bytram> !quote !quote
[04:30:47] <Bender> No quotes found with the text '!quote'
[04:30:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> print $quotes[int(rand(scalar @quotes) +1)];
[04:30:56] <Bytram> :D
[04:31:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> something like that?
[04:31:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> !quote bewbs
[04:31:19] <Bender> Quote 131 - <crutchy> ubuntu... with bewbs
[04:31:59] <chromas> Yeah. Anyone with access to update Bender?
[04:32:25] <chromas> !quote-random
[04:32:43] <chromas> !random
[04:32:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> whatsizirc is sposed to be back this week, no?
[04:33:12] <chromas> Yeah but I'm inpatient over here
[04:33:13] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Is there any way *I* can tell what's up with dev.sn.org? I have no idea whether NCommander is still working on it, whether your utf-8 changes are/aren't in it. Is there something obvious I'm missing here?
[04:33:18] <chromas> Impatient
[04:33:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, nope. I only know when I go look and there's a bug i already fixed.
[04:33:56] <Bytram> chromas: s/m/n/
[04:33:56] <SedBot> <Bytram> <chromas> Inpatient
[04:34:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> we should probably be more organized about it, i'll grant you.
[04:34:28] <Bytram> LOL!
[04:34:33] <chromas> ~define inpatient
[04:34:38] <exec> [www.wolframalpha.com] 3inpatient: noun | a patient who is residing in the hospital where he is being treated
[04:34:50] <chromas> I thought that would be hyphenated
[04:36:25] <Bytram> welcome to English. Two words start appearing adjacent to each other with increasing frequency. Over time, that pairing becomes so common it is treated as a single 'concept' and becomes hyphenated. If it stands the test of time, it eventually gets merged into one word. With enough time, it might even get contracted.
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[04:37:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll change the template to put the git commit we're running on the front page somewhere.
[04:37:45] <Bytram> I think I follow the cocept, but not sure where I should look to see it. :/
[04:38:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> maybe a link to the commit too then
[04:38:20] <Bytram> anything you can do to display version, history, whatever *someplace* on the site would be a HUGE help!
[04:38:31] <Bytram> links are ncie
[04:38:36] <Bytram> links are nice
[04:38:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, github already does that tracking.
[04:39:25] <Bytram> *it* might, but how can I tell which stuff from git is in the version of the site I am currently running?
[04:39:47] * Bytram assumes one could build multiple instances with different commits in them; then select one of those to run. right?
[04:39:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what i'm saying. put the branch and commit# on the front page
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[04:40:41] <Bytram> nod nod
[04:40:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> basically you sit in your source dir and ../deployslashcode.sh
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[04:41:26] <Bytram> in the slashbox on the left-hand side titled "Dev.SN " would be a goodplace to put a link to the version / update history
[04:41:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> your source dir being hopefully up to date with github
[04:41:31] <Bytram> mattie_p: wb!
[04:41:48] <mattie_p> thanks, Bytram
[04:42:11] * Bytram notes that wb could also denote Warner Bros whose cartoons brought me much mith and merriment
[04:42:31] * TheMightyBuzzard hums the animaniacs theme song
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[04:43:50] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: so, with all the chit-chat I kind of forgot... is you utf-8 stuff in there, or is it still NCommander's playground atm
[04:44:18] <Bytram> s/ you / your /
[04:44:18] <SedBot> <Bytram> so, with all the chit-chat I kind of forgot... is your utf-8 stuff in there, or is it still NCommander's playground atm
[04:46:35] <Bytram> http://pipedot.org
[04:46:36] <monopoly> ^ 03Samsung releases 3D solid state drive - Pipedot
[04:46:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, nc's until he gets his stuff solid then who knows.
[04:47:05] <Bytram> nod nod
[04:47:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine's pretty much good on the utf8=1 front
[04:47:44] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: at some point, there'll need to be a qa system so nothing is changed while tests are being performed
[04:47:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> though i might do up something to strip out or replace 4byte characters
[04:48:21] <Bytram> you mean like &#x1234;
[04:48:39] <Bytram> oh, 4 *byte*
[04:48:47] <Bytram> why would you do that?
[04:49:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause the DB can't handle them
[04:49:13] <Bytram> Huh??????!
[04:49:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> well it can in theory but not in testing.
[04:49:33] <Bytram> woooooops!
[04:49:41] <Bytram> is it a database version thing?
[04:49:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> guessing so, perl doesn't mind them.
[04:50:02] <Bytram> nod nod
[04:50:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> is another character set called utf8nb4 or something that's supposed to deal with them but i haven't gotten it to work yet.
[04:50:50] <Bytram> I wonder if there's a difference if we were running with PostgressSql (whatever it's called) instead of MySQL
[04:51:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> be a lot of differences i expect
[04:51:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly in rewriting the sql modules
[04:52:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, if we stick to every two months release thing, i expect we'll start QA pretty shortly.
[04:52:25] <Bytram> I thought slash supported different back-ends already.
[04:52:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, in theory.
[04:52:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> in theory it supported unicode too though.
[04:53:04] <Bytram> so, what *happens* when a 4-byte char gets stored? does the DB just blow up and stop? data corruption? length issues? varchar(255)
[04:53:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, it just replaces them with ????
[04:53:18] <Bytram> is the 255 chars or byes and how big are they, anyway?
[04:53:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> characters
[04:53:42] <Bytram> nod nod; that's *good*
[04:53:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> they get converted when you convert the table character set
[04:54:07] <Bytram> the "?" are those ascii question marks, or the unicode replacement character?
[04:54:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> question marks
[04:54:23] <Bytram> Orly? !!!
[04:54:27] <Bytram> tsk tsk
[04:54:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[04:55:20] * Bytram is pondering the ramifications of this new "bit" of data...
[04:56:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> with any luck i'll knock utf8=0 into close enough shape for the 14-08 release this week and we'll get two or three weeks of testing in before we go live.
[04:56:46] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: so, the db corrupts 4-byte utf-8 chars... can it handle 3-byte?
[04:57:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, sure sure
[04:57:19] * Bytram ponders some more...
[04:57:40] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: can't remember... do you have a windows box?
[04:57:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> dual boot for games
[04:58:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> and a vm
[04:58:53] <Bytram> found a handy unicode utility for windows, BabelMap v7.0.0.0; already updated to handle the latest unicode update.
[04:59:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> erm... should have been no changes to software for that, only fonts.
[05:00:36] <Bytram> well, 'characters' actually, but yes, that is true.
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[05:01:15] <Bytram> it's just handy when trying to find problematic characters; like looking up everything that could be considered a "SPACE" character of some sort or antoher
[05:01:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, 4byte characters are exceedingly rarely used. i'm okay with them being broke. for now.
[05:01:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh
[05:01:53] <Bytram> so, you'd just delete them? Or repalce them with the "replacement character"?
[05:02:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, ya perl does that by using \s in a regex on a unicode string
[05:02:43] <Bytram> we really need some kind of out-of-band signalling method to inform the user that their stuff may be okay, but we're doing something to it, anyway.
[05:03:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, tonight i'm feeling the "leave them question marks" spirit but NC and paulej will prolly want replacement characters.
[05:03:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, preview takes care of that
[05:04:03] <Bytram> whoa!
[05:04:29] <Bytram> 1.) not common characters, so low-probability. agree
[05:04:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> barring a bug, preview shows exactly as it will appear.
[05:05:06] <Bytram> 2.) if I've got, say, 5 of these 4-octet characters in a row, I'd (curently) see 20 ascii question mark characters
[05:06:02] <Bytram> I hope it does, now. On the main site, I can't tell you how many times preview box looks fine, and then after a save it's got Mojibake throughout
[05:06:31] <Bytram> 3.) Lost my place; it's late and I'm tired.
[05:06:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, same
[05:07:33] <Bytram> but, it's ben a blast learning about utf-8 encoding, different character sets, unicode standards, ISO-xyzzy, RFCs nnnn and all that!
[05:08:26] <Bytram> then, picturing where in the SoylentNews UI each of them could appear, and how, and what kinds of nasty things I could construct with UTF-8... =)
[05:08:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
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[05:08:58] <Bytram> I think I've had enouuh fun for one day. gonna call it a good one and head off.
[05:09:15] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: g'night!
[05:09:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to have to do an install doc and writeup on what's good n bad n ugly bout unicode support for NC so he can do the deploy n meta post next month.
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[05:11:22] <Bytram|away> nod nod; but be *very* careful about terminology. there's a big difference between UTF-8 (Unicode Trans-something Format) vs Unicode which contains the actual specifications of the characters and the code points at which they are located.
[05:12:33] <Bytram|away> cantt remember which doc it was, but I found one which had either 4 or 5 layers of abstractions / layers and nomenclature to go with it just to explain, clearly, what was going where and with what.
[05:12:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[05:12:54] <Bytram|away> Anyway, nite nite everyone!
[05:12:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep again
[05:13:40] <Bytram|away> http://feedproxy.google.com
[05:13:41] <monopoly> ^ 03Remote-controlled chip could be the future of contraceptives - CNET: A tiny chip implanted under a woman's skin can deliver hormonal birth control for up to 16 years and is entering pre-clinical trials next year. ( http://www.cnet.com )
[05:14:03] <Bytram|away> http://www.forbes.com
[05:14:04] <monopoly> ^ 03Earth Day: Toys That Teach Kids What Really Matters - In Photos: Smart Toys That Teach Kids What Really Matters - Forbes: How do you teach children to protect the very resources that will affect their future and their children&#039;s future? Trying to teach kids to think critically about...
[05:14:13] <Bytram|away> http://www.forbes.com
[05:14:14] <monopoly> ^ 03Do Our Kids Really Need To Learn How To Code? - Forbes: While our new technologies will one day render our current programming languages about as useful as Latin earning how to code is much more than ad hoc.
[05:15:08] <Bytram|away> those were the 3-most-recent links that just appeared in #rss-bot; seemed to take 'em from *before* the cradle tight up to the working days. =)
[05:15:17] <Bytram|away> this time for sure!
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[05:30:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Star Trek: The Next Generation Series 8 - http://sylnt.us - to-go-baldly
[05:31:40] <chromas> Never seen that before. Forbes on mobile lets me swipe to the side and the article becomes one of several I can swipe between
[05:32:10] <chromas> One of several cards
[05:33:36] <chromas> Doesn't work very well, though
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[08:00:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Mysterious Sound is Driving People Insane - http://sylnt.us - I'm-sorry-but-I-can't-hear-you...
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[08:05:55] <chromas> it's all those movie trailers since District 9
[08:29:04] <arti> how about just trailers in general
[08:38:18] <chromas> That was the first one I noticed the repeating drone noise
[09:14:03] <arti> lol the graphic on the mic.com "stop audio rape intrusion"
[09:14:11] <arti> audio rape.
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[09:19:43] <arti> g'day
[09:19:51] <chromas> ~define audio rape
[09:19:53] <exec> [www.urbandictionary.com] 3audio rape: 1)Having to hear an overplayed song. 2)Being forced to hear a fucked up sound. 3)Having someone make sexual noises towards you.
[09:20:08] <arti> sexual noises towards you, but not away from
[09:20:18] * arti makes notes to face away
[09:20:38] * arti pulls his cheek away from his teeth quickly
[09:20:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Dark Chocolate May Help Peripheral Artery Disease - http://sylnt.us - will-walk-for-chocolate
[09:21:00] <chromas> chocolateheadache--
[09:21:00] <Bender> karma - chocolateheadache: -1
[09:21:05] <crutchy> good evening all
[09:21:10] <arti> :D
[09:21:13] <chromas> Hey crutchy
[09:21:18] * arti opens the pizza valve
[09:21:39] * crutchy offers fairy bread
[09:23:20] <arti> pixie yeast?
[09:23:43] <crutchy> ~define fairy bread
[09:23:48] <exec> fairy bread: unable to find definition
[09:23:52] <crutchy> aww
[09:25:00] <crutchy> ~define-add fairy bread, buttered bread or sangas with 100s and 1000s sprinkles... yummmmmm!
[09:25:02] <exec> definition for term "fairy bread" set to "buttered bread or sangas with 100s and 1000s sprinkles... yummmmmm!"
[09:25:31] <chromas> ~define titty sprinkles
[09:25:32] <exec> [www.urbandictionary.com] 3titty sprinkles: When you jizz on a bitch's tits and let it dry, then rub them together and it falls off looking like sprinkles - made famous by Cartman on South Park in the Tourette's episode.
[09:25:55] <chromas> I don't remember SP giving a definition
[09:26:31] <chromas> ~define 100s and 1000s
[09:26:40] <exec> [www.stoacademy.com] 3100s and 1000s: andorian - A race from the Alpha quadrant. They have blue skin and two antennas on their head. They are one of the founding races of the federation.
[09:26:45] <chromas> ~define hundreds and thousands
[09:26:50] <exec> [www.stoacademy.com] 3hundreds and thousands: andorian - A race from the Alpha quadrant. They have blue skin and two antennas on their head. They are one of the founding races of the federation.
[09:27:26] <crutchy> don't look at me. i have nfi how that site works :-P
[09:28:26] <arti> pfft, you've been plotting to get a tattoo of their logo
[09:28:53] <crutchy> github thinks one of my poohp files is assembly
[09:29:09] * crutchy feels so l33t hax0r now
[09:29:37] <crutchy> only awesome people know assembly :-P
[09:30:54] <crutchy> ~define seven of nine
[09:30:57] <exec> [www.urbandictionary.com] 3Seven of Nine: Character in Star Trek: Voyager played by Jeri Ryan from 1997-2001. She used to be a Borg, but The Doctor got rid of a lot of her implants. However, she was assimilated as a little girl, so parts of h...
[09:31:12] <crutchy> pfft
[09:31:18] <arti> h...
[09:31:29] <crutchy> hoohoo?
[09:31:39] <arti> hank
[09:32:00] <arti> hoversquatch
[09:32:30] <crutchy> hobama
[09:32:59] <arti> maybe that's what you can call the offspring when you're upset
[09:33:03] <crutchy> ooh horsey :-D
[09:33:15] <crutchy> nah that would be just cruel
[09:33:26] <crutchy> i'm not that mean to my kids
[09:34:31] <crutchy> hahaha i just realised chromas tricked the color code for the 100s and 1000s define :-P
[09:34:40] <arti> you don't try and convince them that the world was black and white, and just as the wizard of oz was being filmed that's when the transition occured?
[09:35:15] <crutchy> i don't want to know what obama does behind the curtain, especially after toto runs in there
[09:37:37] <crutchy> don't mind me. i completely misread your message and farted my brain out
[09:38:54] <crutchy> i dunno how the hell github thinks one of my files is assembly. it starts with <?php
[09:41:58] <crutchy> arti, looks interesting: https://github.com
[09:41:59] <monopoly> ^ 03ndmitchell/hlint · GitHub: hlint - Haskell source code suggestions
[09:42:38] * arti was balls deep in compiler land last night
[09:43:03] <arti> left off with array creation
[09:43:05] * arti examines
[09:43:34] <arti> i've used lint for js >.>
[09:57:48] <crutchy> arti, can the stats thingy be made to pm instead of out to #soylent?
[09:58:06] <arti> heh, i don't operate that one
[09:58:22] <arti> !stats
[09:58:22] <Bender> creating stats for channel #Soylent (Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970)
[09:58:27] <arti> ^- this one right?
[09:58:32] <crutchy> yeah
[09:58:39] <Bender> stat results for #Soylent: crutchy: 24548, xlefay: 11596, arti: 10326, unknown: 10119, MrBluze: 9593, NCommander: 7642, kobach: 7050, TheMightyBuzzard: 5573, michealpwalls: 5386, chromas: 5342, prospectacle: 5316, Subsentient: 3380, Bytram: 3120, Konomi: 3008, n1: 2951, Blackmoore: 2870, SpallsHurgenson: 2843, paulej72: 2782, hax0rz: 2675, Landon: 2632, mrcoolbp: 2488, mattie_p: 2466, Bender: 2436, Ethanol-fueled: 2308, stderr: 2266, janrinok: 2223,
[09:58:41] <arti> bender isn't mine
[09:58:46] <crutchy> it just uses your website then?
[09:59:14] <crutchy> oh where's your website link?
[09:59:25] <arti> no, i'm not quite certain how it runs to be honest
[09:59:52] <arti> just a sec i'll update it
[10:00:07] <crutchy> !stats-update
[10:00:17] <crutchy> !stats-reset-all
[10:00:31] <crutchy> !stats-make-crutchy-look-less-like-a-troll
[10:01:27] <arti> !stats-ffs
[10:01:40] <crutchy> !stats-nfi
[10:02:08] <crutchy> !stats-wtf-zomg-pony!
[10:03:44] <arti> i CUT YOU!
[10:04:32] <arti> updated
[10:04:52] * crutchy fetches bandage for his cut
[10:05:28] <arti> i don't believe that's accurate
[10:05:30] <arti> just a sec
[10:05:30] <chromas> Get the bacon scented ones
[10:05:41] <chromas> Adhesive medical strips
[10:05:45] <crutchy> yay i'm not so trolly
[10:06:17] <crutchy> 15000 is better than 24000
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[10:07:00] <crutchy> g'day Subsentient
[10:07:09] <Subsentient> hi crutchy
[10:07:18] <Subsentient> crutchy: wanna test my breakout game?
[10:07:36] <crutchy> your whatout game?
[10:07:50] <crutchy> oh yeah :-P
[10:07:53] <Subsentient> crutchy: http://github.com
[10:07:54] <monopoly> ^ 03Subsentient/bricktick · GitHub: bricktick - A simple ncurses based breakout game for UNIX. ( https://github.com )
[10:08:17] * crutchy hopes he doesn't need unix
[10:08:40] <chromas> With a capital NIX
[10:09:18] <chromas> crutchy: s/unix/to have eunichs/
[10:09:18] <SedBot> <chromas> <crutchy> hopes he doesn't need to have eunichs
[10:10:06] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[10:10:07] <monopoly> ^ 03It's a Unix system - YouTube: A classic scene from Jurassic Park (1993), memorable quote "it's a Unix system, I know this". - Lex Murphy
[10:10:58] <chromas> monopoly: way to spoil it
[10:14:25] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[10:14:25] <monopoly> ^ 03NCIS 2 IDIOTS 1 KEYBOARD - YouTube: Uma das cenas mais ridiculas de sempre das series de TV! - ah e tal estamos a ser hackados - não te preocupes que se teclarmos os dois no mesmo keyboard cons...
[10:14:34] <crutchy> eh?
[10:14:49] <crutchy> ~translate Uma das cenas mais ridiculas de sempre das series de TV! - ah e tal estamos a ser hackados - não te preocupes que se teclarmos os dois no mesmo keyboard
[10:14:52] <exec> [google translate] das cenas mais ridiculas de sempre das series de TV! - ah e tal estamos a ser hackados - não te preocupes que se teclarmos os dois no mesmo keyboard (auto -> Uma): of the most ridiculous scenes ever series of TV! - Oh and such are being hackados - do not worry that teclarmos both at the same keyboard
[10:14:58] <crutchy> oops
[10:15:13] <crutchy> ~translate en Uma das cenas mais ridiculas de sempre das series de TV! - ah e tal estamos a ser hackados - não te preocupes que se teclarmos os dois no mesmo keyboard
[10:15:14] <exec> [google translate] Uma das cenas mais ridiculas de sempre das series de TV! - ah e tal estamos a ser hackados - não te preocupes que se teclarmos os dois no mesmo keyboard (auto -> en): One of the most ridiculous scenes ever series of TV! - Oh and such are being hackados - do not worry that teclarmos both at the same keyboard
[10:15:50] <crutchy> oh wow google translate actually returned something that made sense
[10:16:33] <chromas> They also occasionally show an animation on the computer screen of a wireframe harddrive with a photograph tonearm instead of a regular armature
[10:17:54] <crutchy> must be an uber advanced hard drive instead of a regular 'pleb' hard drive with the ancient 'magnetic shit'
[10:18:23] <crutchy> they store their data in light waves
[10:18:33] <crutchy> or light sounds
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[10:20:03] <arti> mebbe on google drives!
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[10:21:15] <crutchy> the relation chart looks like it might be an old one.... it still has hax0rz in it http://antiartificial.com
[10:21:16] <monopoly> ^ 03#Soylent stats: 7.7.2014!
[10:21:37] <crutchy> and doesn't have chromas
[10:23:59] <chromas> I'm in there
[10:24:21] <chromas> With link to a pic
[10:24:36] <crutchy> i wanna try and make a statty page for exec usage. not very fancy like the soylent one, but might have a bit of a play with gd
[10:24:37] <hka> crutchy: do you never sleep? You top all the time of day stats:P
[10:25:05] <crutchy> nah my mute button broke
[10:25:10] <arti> he's actually just uses a file with some lines in it and has his client dispatch them through the course of the day
[10:25:26] <arti> its late
[10:25:30] <crutchy> i'm programmed to spit out random shit from facebook
[10:26:22] <crutchy> omg_im_so_awesome says: my poo stinks. it was green... here i took a shitty selfy for all you guys!
[10:26:45] * chromas likes this
[10:26:55] <crutchy> oh someone should disable that feature
[10:26:56] * arti shares this
[10:27:05] <hka> crutchy the facebook relay
[10:27:47] * chromas farts in your general direction
[10:28:55] <crutchy> oh wow swiss has stats too
[10:28:56] <crutchy> http://veryoblivio.us
[10:28:57] <monopoly> ^ 03#soylent @ SoylentNews stats by swiss
[10:29:53] <crutchy> bleh that version makes me look even worse :-/
[10:33:30] <chromas> I wonder how http://www.ntalk.de became the most referenced url
[10:33:32] <monopoly> ^ 03Nettalk - www.ntalk.de - IRC-Client ( http://www.ntalk.de )
[10:33:41] <crutchy> haha arti's more trolly than me in the afternoon :-P
[10:34:15] <arti> someone on an unstable connection perhaps?
[10:34:27] <chromas> Poor crutchy's been beaten so many times he's the example
[10:37:36] <crutchy> ciri likes talking to paulej72
[10:37:43] <crutchy> hehe
[10:38:14] * chromas wishes ciri would accept invites
[10:38:30] * arti hoists another todo note onto the pile
[10:39:23] <chromas> I just wanted to play with it without clogging ## too much
[10:39:25] <crutchy> !todo
[10:39:25] <Bender> todo for crutchy: 1) rewrite slashcode in assembly 2) dig up monolith on the moon 3) fuck beta 4) prepare draft RFC8008135 5) make a bash bot to have bot fights with sedbot 6) bacon+noodles 7) complete todo list items 8) goto todot item 7
[10:39:46] <crutchy> todot¿
[10:43:51] <crutchy> wtf... mrbluze's last line: "*** MrBluze is now known as chromas" lol
[10:44:07] <arti> moon lighting
[10:44:14] <arti> alright, i'm off, catch you guys later
[10:44:28] <crutchy> cya arti. take care
[10:44:44] * arti takes care
[10:50:04] * crutchy wonders where arti is taking care to
[10:51:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Study: FAA's Ruling on Smartphones During Takeoff has had Little Impact - http://sylnt.us - airplane-mode
[10:59:23] <stderr> crutchy
[11:03:47] <crutchy> hi stderr
[12:31:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:31:32] <Bender> karma - coffee: 324
[12:41:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Game Creation Kit 'Game Develop' Becomes Open Source - http://sylnt.us - point-and-click-adventures
[12:47:27] <chromas> Bender: s/ Develop/maker/
[12:47:27] <SedBot> <chromas> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Game Creation Kit 'Gamemaker' Becomes Open Source - http://sylnt.us - point-and-click-adventures
[12:52:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> weekly reboot after kernel update
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[12:55:44] <stderr> chromas: Are you sure about that?
[12:56:15] <chromas> No
[12:56:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> maaaan, stupid arch broke beep for me over the past week
[12:56:38] <chromas> Beep? Pc speaker?
[12:57:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[12:57:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> i use it for telling me when shit gets finished that i don't wanna watch
[13:00:00] <chromas> Beep
[13:00:23] <chromas> ^ It's done
[13:01:14] <stderr> TheMightyBuzzard: Ah... Good, old \a.
[13:01:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> no worries. fixed it. they'd unset the suid bit in an update apparently.
[13:02:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> stderr, u+0007 and ^g as well
[13:02:22] <stderr> Yes, exactly the same thing.
[13:02:48] <crutchy> g'day TheMightyBuzzard
[13:02:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> back at ya, crutchy
[13:05:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> i knew there was a reason i dug stephen fry. guy's both smart and funny. https://twitter.com
[13:05:49] <monopoly> ^ 03Twitter / famousquotenet: It is now very common to hear ...: Connect with your friends &#8212; and other fascinating people. Get in-the-moment updates on the things that interest you. And watch events unfold, in real time, from...
[13:10:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> &#x0066;ail, Twitter, &#x0066;ail.
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[13:27:37] <chromas> oh I see why it the entity didn't get resolved
[13:28:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, it amuses me that my shat works better'n theirs n it's not even finished yet.
[13:28:39] * chromas is surprised it's not my fault this time
[13:29:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, hafta try harder next time
[13:30:54] <chromas> I guess I could detect when they accidentally their own ampersands
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[13:32:24] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v Bytram|away] by juggler
[13:32:32] <crutchy> g'day Bytram|away
[13:32:45] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[13:33:28] <Bytram> g'day
[13:33:31] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:33:31] <Bender> karma - coffee: 325
[13:33:44] * Bytram thinks that's not enough
[13:33:48] <Bytram> coffee**8
[13:33:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:33:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 326
[13:33:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Bytram
[13:34:02] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: morning!
[13:34:13] <Bytram> man, you got me with that one!
[13:34:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> too early for beeps?
[13:35:02] <Bytram> here I was trrying a smart-alek-y thing with the "++" making it exponential, ad it suddenlt comes back interpretted as a "++", and then I see it was *your* "++" that did it.
[13:35:10] <Bytram> coffe++ needed, for sure!
[13:35:11] <Bender> karma - coffe: 2
[13:35:17] <Bytram> see!
[13:35:21] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:35:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 327
[13:35:22] <Bytram> =)
[13:35:27] <crutchy> coffee++
[13:35:27] <Bender> karma - coffee: 328
[13:35:28] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: how's things?
[13:35:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> same situation but a cup ahead of ya
[13:36:12] <Bytram> btw, I'm thinking there's a bunch of really wacky stuff folks can do to URLs using UTF-8...
[13:36:28] <crutchy> like inject js?
[13:36:50] <Bytram> was wondering if the place where the "[domain-name]" is displayed could be augmented with a "[UTF-8]" or somesuch flag.
[13:36:56] <Bytram> crisp: nod nod
[13:37:04] <chromas> crutchy: injecting 💩
[13:37:08] <Bytram> crutchy: nod nod
[13:37:21] <crutchy> the world needs 💩.com
[13:37:47] * Bytram thinks of "quake" whenever he sees "crisp"; two equally sugary breakfast cereals from the 1970's
[13:38:01] <Bytram> I just see a utf-8 box
[13:38:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, feel free to test once we get a 14-08 RC up on dev
[13:38:11] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:38:23] <chromas> 💩-burglars.net
[13:38:25] <crutchy> Bytram mee too. i'm assuming its the dog poop but really i haave nfi :-P
[13:38:52] <Bytram> my skills in that realm are more of the conceptual variety... that there's gotta be *something* that I could put in there that would cause trouble.
[13:38:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, unifont added 💩 to its glyphs
[13:38:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> s
[13:39:11] <Bytram> I just see a box with four zeroes in it.
[13:39:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> you using unifont?
[13:39:29] <crutchy> i see a box with 6 chinese looking characters
[13:39:38] <Bytram> thot I was
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[13:39:44] <crutchy> i think 0 1 F
[13:39:47] <crutchy> 4 A 9
[13:39:49] * Bytram is using HexChat
[13:39:50] <crutchy> or something
[13:40:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, new version released over the weekend
[13:40:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like they felt the need for some poop
[13:40:28] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: new version of ???
[13:40:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, unifont
[13:40:39] <Bytram> huh?
[13:41:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, unifont updates every once in a while as they add glyphs to the font.
[13:41:08] <chromas> I just tried to install unifont from aur and all I got was a bunch of errors
[13:41:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, odd, i just updated it today
[13:41:31] <chromas> "Could not find or read package"
[13:41:41] <Bytram> huh! Unless I use a *large* font size, the regular letters/numbers look ugly with "Unifont CSUR"
[13:41:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> aur/ttf-unifont-csur
[13:41:42] <chromas> That's after it's done Making
[13:42:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, nod nod. it's ugly in the small sizes. i had to bump it up to 13 for it to be usable with hexchat
[13:42:29] <Bytram> looks like I was using "Consolas 10" ... let me try "Unifont CSUR" with hexchat
[13:42:54] * Bytram is gonna need a much bigger monitor
[13:43:40] <Bytram> oh. blegh!
[13:44:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> toldja it's ugly at small sizes
[13:44:14] <Bytram> even at 13 it's ugly
[13:44:27] <Bytram> btw, that reminds me!
[13:44:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> not the prettiest for sure
[13:44:50] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders
[13:45:09] <Bytram> quesiton; bear with me for a bit, k?
[13:45:19] <Bytram> ascii==UTF-8 for 0..127 (by definition)
[13:45:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> essentially the same, yes
[13:45:51] <Bytram> ascii 128..255 have, historically for most users, been Latin-1 (with greek symbols, etc.)
[13:45:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> and stored in two bytes.
[13:46:01] <Bytram> at least according to ISO 8859-1
[13:46:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> or was it one
[13:46:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> one i think
[13:46:39] <Bytram> but, in UTF-8 those (128-255) get mapped to two octets
[13:46:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, nod nod
[13:47:44] <Bytram> so, let's say *you* post some stuff using UTF-8 that has characters in 128-255, and I view it using ISO 8859-1, I'm gonna see Mojibake, right?
[13:48:18] <Bytram> or, for the sake of argument, the other way around; you *post* ISO-8859-1 and I *view* with UTF-8
[13:48:32] <Bytram> am I missing something there?
[13:48:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> not unless my character encoding is off or you're buggily forcing it to view in latin-1 somehow
[13:49:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, we have a bit of code that converts 128-255 to unicode code points on incoming text, so it would look fine and be proper utf-8 from us.
[13:49:48] <Bytram> or, if I am viewing with "Windows 1252"
[13:50:07] <Bytram> I'm not necessarily gonna have UTF-8 installed, is my point.
[13:50:46] <crutchy> just install WTF-8 and everything will be swell
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[13:51:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, yes you are. all major and most minor oses support utf-8 out of the box and will render as utf-8 if the character encoding is set correctly on our end, which it is.
[13:51:05] <Bytram> crutchy: try doing that with the Lynx character browser
[13:51:20] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:51:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> we should do some high ascii testing though to make sure it gets translated properly
[13:51:52] <crutchy> ~define wtf-8
[13:51:58] <exec> wtf-8: unable to find definition
[13:52:01] <crutchy> aww
[13:52:11] <crutchy> now i have to browse :-(
[13:52:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> i may set my vm up to be public to the world this morning so you can monkey with it
[13:52:49] <Bytram> and, i suppose, that (assuming) our *server* properly flags the content type, and we always flag the content "charset=utf-8", then at least we've informed the client (browser)what to expect, and we can leave it to the client to do the right thing?
[13:53:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, there needs to be a better way to edit a db than with php. something you can use from the console.
[13:53:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, zactly
[13:53:31] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: appreciate the offer, but if we've got a few weeks available with the release candidate, that would be fine.
[13:53:37] <chromas> crutchy: it's like utf but twice as universal
[13:53:46] <Bytram> what?
[13:53:50] <Bytram> =)
[13:54:18] <Bytram> btw, did you know that among programmers, the universlly best-known language is profanity?
[13:54:44] <chromas> That sounds about right
[13:54:48] <crutchy> wow! did you you know there's a www.stupidedia.org !?
[13:55:01] <crutchy> its in german though
[13:55:11] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: but, as you pointed out, there's theory and reality (your DB experience with 4-octet UTF-8 chars coming back as "????")
[13:55:22] * crutchy wishes there was an english version
[13:55:42] <chromas> crutchy: you'll just have to copy/paste each sentence into irc
[13:55:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, as long as we're doing right, there's no prollem as far as i'm concerned.
[13:56:04] <chromas> ~translate en Ein Event-Fan, Pseudo-Fußballfan, Eventspacko oder Mitläufer-Fan ist ein vermeintlicher Fußballfan, der exakt alle zwei Jahre zur Europa
[13:56:06] <exec> [google translate] Ein Event-Fan, Pseudo-Fußballfan, Eventspacko oder Mitläufer-Fan ist ein vermeintlicher Fußballfan, der exakt alle zwei Jahre zur Europa (auto -> en): An event supporter, pseudo-football fan or follower Eventspacko fan is a supposed football fan exactly every two years for Europe
[13:56:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not gonna code special for IE or lynx either one.
[13:56:18] <crutchy> http://stupidopedia.wikispaces.com
[13:56:20] <monopoly> ^ 03stupidopedia - Squirrel Aids ( http://stupidopedia.wikispaces.com )
[13:57:02] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: wimp. =)
[13:57:07] <Bytram> jk
[13:57:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> now paulej or NC might but that's on them.
[13:57:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> one of the perks of not yet being staff is i don't have to take bullshit that annoys me into account.
[13:58:04] <crutchy> http://www.j-gorman.com
[13:58:05] <monopoly> ^ 03Jonathan Gorman - Blog - One byte, two bytes - A journey into wtf-8encoding.: Every profession has its war stories. Those challenges that separate the newcomers to the grizzle...
[13:58:08] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: correct me if I'm wrong, but short of using JavaScript or somesuch, we have no way of *knowing* what charset the user is using, right?
[13:58:25] * crutchy must... close... browser...
[13:58:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, pretty much, yeah.
[13:58:52] <Bytram> oops, I just realized I may be wrong with that one... hold on for a bit
[13:58:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, http://www.youtube.com
[13:58:55] <monopoly> ^ 03Makin' Bacon Pancakes 10 HOUR VERSION! - YouTube: Don't Forget to Share! Thanks for the 2 million views! Bacon Pancakes 10 HOURS! (❍ᴥ❍ʋ) - "Bacon pancakes, makin' bacon pancakes, take some bacon and I'll put...
[13:59:18] * Bytram thinks that's gotta be one *long* video!
[13:59:29] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard: http://www.youtube.com
[13:59:30] <monopoly> ^ 03The Duck Song - YouTube: Song by Bryant Oden. Video by Forrest Whaley. iOS app out now! Works on iPod Touch, iPad, & iPhone... https://itunes.apple.com
[13:59:31] <stderr> Bytram: Actually you do... If the form is on a "UTF-8" page, the browser is sending UTF-8 back to the server.
[14:00:17] <crutchy> or there's always the classic http://www.youtube.com
[14:00:18] <monopoly> ^ 03Potter Puppet Pals: The Mysterious Ticking Noise - YouTube: http://www.potterpuppetpals.com Snape hears a strange ticking sound. Love ensues.
[14:00:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> stderr, depends on the accept-charset field, supposedly.
[14:01:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> reminds me, i think we may still have that set wrong on the comment reply template
[14:01:41] <crutchy> holy fucking shit that last youtube has 152,587,932 views
[14:02:21] <crutchy> the duck one has 162,826,267 views!
[14:02:30] <crutchy> the internet is fucked
[14:02:43] <stderr> It's ducked!
[14:02:49] <chromas> crutchy: http://www.youtube.com
[14:02:49] <monopoly> ^ 03Wizards In Heat | Robot Chicken | Adult Swim - YouTube: Harry Potter is confronted by the Pubertis Monster. SUBSCRIBE: http://bit.ly About Robot Chicken: Robot Chicken is Adult Swim's long-runni...
[14:03:16] <Bytram> stderr: that's what I was just checking... LiveHTTPHeaders addon for FireFox is *really* handy for such things
[14:03:29] <crutchy> ooh that's evil. must resist... *click*
[14:03:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> yerg, i need to figure out a way to limit the bandwidth to youtube. stupid 10 hour bacon pancakes is maxing out my connection
[14:03:56] <Bytram> here's a request and reply for the main page of SoylentNews.org:
[14:03:58] <Bytram> GET / HTTP/1.1
[14:03:59] <Bytram> Host: soylentnews.org
[14:03:59] <Bytram> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0
[14:03:59] <Bytram> Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
[14:04:00] <Bytram> Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5
[14:04:02] <Bytram> Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
[14:04:04] <Bytram> DNT: 1
[14:04:06] <Bytram> Cookie: user=76::Eb3R1NpXWV9pSJ7SDXolvd
[14:04:08] <Bytram> Connection: keep-alive
[14:04:10] <Bytram> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
[14:04:12] <Bytram> Vary: User-Agent
[14:04:14] <Bytram> Content-Encoding: gzip
[14:04:16] <Bytram> Server: Apache/1.3.42 (Unix) mod_perl/1.31
[14:04:18] <Bytram> X-Powered-By: slashcode 14.04.2
[14:04:22] <Bytram> X-Bender: Let's commence preparations for rumbling!
[14:04:24] <Bytram> Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
[14:04:26] <Bytram> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 11:59:29 GMT
[14:04:28] <Bytram> X-Varnish: 269136373
[14:04:31] <Bytram> Age: 0
[14:04:33] <Bytram> Via: 1.1 varnish
[14:04:34] <Bytram> Transfer-Encoding: chunked
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[14:06:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, yeah i guess we could tell what their default is set to.
[14:07:10] <crutchy> wow! i want one of those for christmas!
[14:08:25] <chromas> Seems like charset=utf-8 should be part of the request header
[14:08:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you just spouted your cookie over irc. bad bad idea.
[14:08:57] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I don't see anything in the request that tells SN what charset it can accept... ??
[14:09:11] * chromas is already flamebaiting with his account
[14:09:17] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: noticed, thanks. Already logged out and back in again to get a new one... that should do it, right?
[14:09:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[14:09:36] <chromas> Bytram: better expire that session, mister!
[14:09:40] * Bytram or should I change my nick to Hunter2 ??
[14:09:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, what it can accept, no. we could parse the useragent and go by that or we could go by what the request was made with but...
[14:10:16] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: that's just way *too* error-prone
[14:10:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> instead i think ima just assume that this is 2014 and people can read utf-8
[14:10:29] <Bytram> useragent is not meaningful.
[14:10:40] * Bytram thinks a bit
[14:10:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> well usually it is but not if they change it
[14:10:55] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:11:17] <Bytram> I can easily go in and change mine to say I am running "Etch-a-Sketch 2020"
[14:11:18] <chromas> If they're smart enough to change it then they're probably not still on Windows 98 :)
[14:11:22] <stderr> Hmm... Guess I was wrong...
[14:11:26] <stderr> "@CiaranMcNulty that's actually not true, some browsers don't do it. I tried this on FF, forcing the page charset to iso-8859-1, and it still submitted the form in UTF-8"
[14:11:38] <stderr> From http://stackoverflow.com
[14:11:39] <monopoly> ^ 03rest - Detecting the character encoding of an HTTP POST request - Stack Overflow
[14:12:05] <stderr> But then again, it's stack overflow and that's full of idiots.
[14:12:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> sometimes. often useful shat there too.
[14:12:25] <stderr> "My god! It's full of n00bs!"
[14:12:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> kinda like SN
[14:12:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha
[14:12:42] * chromas backs away slowly
[14:12:46] <Bytram> stderr: so, if the *browser* understands UTF-8, then it can take, ummm, corrective action, even if the user specifies ISO 8859-1; but what about the other way around?
[14:13:20] <stderr> Bytram: Good question.
[14:13:41] <stderr> But it's annoying that it doesn't use the same charset as the page.
[14:13:41] <Bytram> one could, within reason, expect most modern browsers to handle UTF-8...
[14:13:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, web is largely stateless. in this instance that means, unless i'm mistaken, nobody coding browser or website bothers remembering what was requested and just goes with what is returned.
[14:13:58] <Bytram> but there's still bunches of old stuff out there... e.g. I.E. 6
[14:14:02] <stderr> Of course you could try to detect the charset...
[14:14:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, fuck em
[14:14:21] <Bytram> afer you
[14:14:36] <Bytram> s/afer/after/
[14:14:36] <SedBot> <Bytram> after you
[14:14:39] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:14:39] <Bender> karma - coffee: 329
[14:14:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyone still using ie6 has way worse problems than the right encoding on our page.
[14:14:44] * Bytram hopes that helps.
[14:14:51] <Bytram> you think?
[14:15:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ditto any os that's old enough it can't deal with utf-8 sanely
[14:16:10] <Bytram> thing is, it's not *just* our page... the code is open source, so there's the idea that someone else could take the code and run with it... IOW it's not just *our* target audience to be concerned with, but *any* potential subset of internet users
[14:16:13] <Bytram> that said,,,
[14:16:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> not a whole lot of VMS users left in the world
[14:16:36] <Bytram> I'm trying to think of some kind of community that would not have access to a UTF-8 aware browser
[14:17:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> trs-80 legacy users maybe
[14:17:30] <chromas> Milton down in storage b
[14:17:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> like you know, hobbyists
[14:17:40] <Bytram> or, if they *were* using a non-UTF-8 aware browser, (e.g. hobbiest running a browser on a Commodore 64), would be unable/unwilling to install/run a different browser
[14:17:49] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:17:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> which could conceivably be part of our audience
[14:17:54] <crutchy> what's a little charsex between friends
[14:18:07] <Bytram> crutchy: contagious?
[14:19:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> good incentive to get a utf-8 browser working on their hobby os though
[14:19:11] <Bytram> but seriously, any idea of where I could find a list of browsers and their versions and when they started to support UTF-8 (properly)???
[14:19:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp
[14:19:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> but hell, even curl supports utf-8
[14:19:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> not that there's much to support or not for curl
[14:20:10] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:20:11] <KonomiNetbook> Bytram: I coded that information into base64 then inserted it into obfuscated jscript
[14:20:15] <KonomiNetbook> are you brave enough to get it
[14:20:26] <Bytram> nope
[14:20:34] <KonomiNetbook> me either
[14:20:45] <stderr> TheMightyBuzzard: Does it really or does it just dump whatever data it receives?
[14:20:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> stderr, zactly
[14:21:13] <Bytram> I did a little experimenting and it looks like the slash filters strip bunches of stuff from HTML entities on the comments page.
[14:21:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> either way, not much to support or not.
[14:21:43] <crutchy> is there filtering for get/post parameters?
[14:21:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, they USED to...
[14:21:52] <crutchy> like sid etc
[14:22:22] <Bytram> e.g. I tried having a comment that contained: <dt class="EntNamedChar">&hellip;</dt> and it came back as "<dt>&&hellip;</dt>
[14:22:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, yes. not comprehensive enough ones but they exist
[14:22:54] <Bytram> hmm,, or was that while NC had the site?
[14:23:14] <crutchy> dunno off the top of my head how that could be exploited. maybe should ask khyber :-P
[14:23:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, my version just passes anything through not on the blocklist.
[14:23:57] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: oh, that reminds me... I've got an updated NamedCharacterEntity test page that states, immediately after the raw UTF-8 octets what the hex-encoded values are supposed to be.
[14:23:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> had to fix that to get your massive entities posts working right
[14:24:03] <Bytram> let me send it to you.
[14:24:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure
[14:24:41] <Bytram> hrm, now let me *find* it! LOL!
[14:24:43] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:24:43] <Bender> karma - coffee: 330
[14:24:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess i should get on staff so i can have a "work" email address for that shat.
[14:24:55] <stderr> Bytram: It's not that hard to go from UTF-8 to the hex-encoded values.
[14:25:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg. my personal inbox doth not overflow at the moment so shurg.
[14:25:30] <Bytram> stderr: right, but when looking at a web page, it's nice to have the translation righ there in front of me instead of having to DO something in order to see it.
[14:26:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> stderr, return sprintf("&#x%x;", ord($char));
[14:26:28] <Bytram> let me check for a bit to make sure I've got the right version
[14:26:34] <stderr> I agree and that's also why I got a table like this on the page I'm working on now:
[14:26:36] <stderr> Codepoint Character Name UTF-8
[14:26:36] <stderr> C5 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH RING ABOVE () C3 85
[14:26:57] <stderr> Imagine that the table lines up perfectly, ok?
[14:27:53] <stderr> 1F4A9 💩 PILE OF POO F0 9F 92 A9
[14:28:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know what bugs me? calling U/u Latin characters. Latin had no U/u, only V/v.
[14:28:59] <Bytram> yeah, so V say!
[14:29:05] <Bytram> =)
[14:29:17] <stderr> yov know what bvgs me?
[14:29:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> svck it
[14:29:25] <Bytram> "" = "0xc2a1" = UTF-8 encoded character
[14:29:42] * Bytram senses a meme coming along
[14:30:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> hmmm...
[14:30:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - U.S. Congressional Candidate a Fan of SoylentNews - http://sylnt.us - doesn't-constitute-an-endorsement
[14:30:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> i may write me a perl script for hexchat to properly latinize arbitrary text
[14:31:02] <stderr> Bytram: I would suggest writing that as either &#xC2A1; OR 0xC2 0xA1 depending on what you mean.
[14:31:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> hells yeah, we famous.
[14:32:17] <Bytram> stderr: I'm curious as to why?
[14:33:03] <Bytram> stderr: fyi, hears an example of the full entry I have for that named chartacter entity:
[14:33:03] <Bytram> inverted exclamation mark, U+00A1 ISOnum:
[14:33:04] <crutchy> Bender: s/sement/-ewok/
[14:33:04] <Bytram> "" = "0xc2a1" = UTF-8 encoded character
[14:33:04] <Bytram> "" = &iexcl;
[14:33:04] <Bytram> "" = &#161;
[14:33:04] <Bytram> "" = &#xa1;
[14:33:04] <SedBot> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - U.S. Congressional Candidate a Fan of SoylentNews - http://sylnt.us - doesn't-constitute-an-endor-ewok
[14:33:05] <stderr> Because 0xC2A1 is a 16-bit value and UTF-8 are 8-bit values.
[14:34:12] <stderr> Clearly writing it as two 8-bit values (0xC2 and 0xA1) makes more sense than writing it as a single 16-bit value.
[14:34:13] <Bytram> yes, I understand that... there are anywhere from 1..4 octets in a UTF-8 character.
[14:34:50] <stderr> Actually 1..6, but yes...
[14:35:10] <Bytram> stderr: nope. only 1-4 octets now. Specs have been updateed.
[14:35:27] <stderr> Evil updates!
[14:35:32] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:36:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> 1114111 codepoints still, yes?
[14:36:24] <Bytram> stderr: I see what you are getting at... but I'm not yet convinced... your suggestion, taken literally, says there's a space between the octets.
[14:36:26] <chromas> What? But we need more than 4 gigasymbols...gibichars?
[14:36:31] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: yuppers
[14:36:31] <stderr> TheMightyBuzzard: If that's 0x10FFFF, yes.
[14:37:07] <crutchy> a very cold 0x10
[14:37:12] <stderr> Bytram: Yes, but if you use 0xC2A1 you would also have to say if it's stored as little or big endian.
[14:37:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> good good. for some reason /code was capping it at 64k. i made that not happen.
[14:38:29] <Bytram> stderr: ahhh, point made and taken. maybe: 0xab0xcd ??
[14:38:29] <stderr> And it would have to be big endian, which is NOT what most of us are using normally.
[14:38:39] * Bytram is not normal
[14:38:44] <stderr> I almost read that as xkcd...
[14:38:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh. gotta water all the plants outside. gone for an hour or two.
[14:38:52] <Bytram> lol
[14:39:01] <stderr> 0xab0xkcd?! What?!
[14:39:09] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: cya!
[14:39:36] <Bytram> stderr: I had no "" inmine
[14:39:42] <Bytram> stderr: I had no "k" in mine
[14:39:57] * Bytram needs a new wireless kbd
[14:40:15] <stderr> I know, but that was what I almost read.
[14:40:26] <Bytram> oh. nd nod
[14:40:35] <stderr> http://www.fileformat.info shows the UTF-8 as 0xF0 0x9F 0x92 0xA9 (f09f92a9)
[14:40:36] <monopoly> ^ 03Unicode Character 'PILE OF POO' (U+1F4A9)
[14:41:59] <Bytram> hmmm, like this? 💩
[14:42:17] <stderr> Yes, like that.
[14:42:45] * chromas wonders whose idea it was to put eyes on that
[14:42:49] <Bytram> I need to update my font... I see only a box containing 4 zeroes
[14:42:57] <Bytram> but first..
[14:43:09] <Bytram> stderr: going with your suggestion...
[14:43:25] <Bytram> instead of: "" = "0xc2a1" = UTF-8 encoded character
[14:43:31] <stderr> I see:
[14:43:35] <stderr> |01F|
[14:43:39] <stderr> |4A9|
[14:43:53] <crutchy> ^same here
[14:43:55] <Bytram> how 'bout: "" = UTF-8 octets: 0xc2 0xa1
[14:44:13] <chromas> Install that font and restart your client
[14:44:41] <Bytram> chromas: Unifont CSI?
[14:44:51] <chromas> Then you should get pretty little pooplets
[14:45:03] <chromas> Bytram: yes sir
[14:45:06] <stderr> Bytram: That's almost what I would do. I would include &#xA1;
[14:45:19] <chromas> Or update it if you have it already
[14:45:44] <Bytram> stderr: already have it covered... here's another entry:
[14:45:45] <Bytram> euro sign, U+20AC NEW:
[14:45:46] <Bytram> "" = "0xe282ac" = UTF-8 encoded character
[14:45:46] <Bytram> "" = &euro;
[14:45:46] <Bytram> "" = &#8364;
[14:45:46] <Bytram> "" = &#x20ac;
[14:46:05] <Bytram> the things in quotes on the left-hand side should all look the same...
[14:46:20] <Bytram> the stuff on the right-hand side describes what was used within the quotes
[14:47:01] <crutchy> is the last one oct?
[14:47:09] * crutchy puts dunce hat on
[14:47:43] <Bytram> crutchy: No, but the one before it is "dec" =)
[14:47:57] <stderr> crutchy: No, 8.
[14:47:59] <Bytram> oct 31 == dec 25
[14:48:08] <crutchy> got that one. just trying to figure out in my head the difference between first and last
[14:48:23] * crutchy is in some kinda time warp
[14:48:32] <crutchy> lousy smarch weather
[14:48:45] <Bytram> crutchy: again? (Rocky Horror Picture Show)
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[14:48:57] <crutchy> simpsons
[14:49:04] <Bytram> let me reword things; back in a few minutes.
[14:49:29] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[14:49:29] <monopoly> ^ 03Don't Touch Willy - YouTube: This video was uploaded from an Android phone.
[14:49:38] <stderr> Damn, that was a weird parse error from my side...
[14:50:08] <stderr> I thought you asked if "the last" was "one octet"...
[14:50:23] <stderr> Hence my answer. No, it's 8 octets.
[14:53:22] <stderr> "AltaVista offers its users the opportunity to use a customised search page." I think I need to find a newer page on this subject...
[14:53:50] <Bytram> maybe you should use some kind of search engine to find it?
[14:53:59] <crutchy> bing
[14:54:06] <Bytram> bong
[14:54:24] <crutchy> (M) contains drug references
[14:54:45] <Bytram> ding
[14:55:37] <crutchy> ~restart
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[14:59:58] <Woods> ding/restart??!!? I think you have it all wrong, Crutchy.
[15:00:30] <crutchy> i thunk i'm use my wrong english :-P
[15:00:48] <Bytram> crutchy: s/u/v/g
[15:00:48] <SedBot> <Bytram> <crutchy> i thvnk i'm vse my wrong english :-P
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[15:33:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> and done
[15:52:46] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: wb!
[15:53:04] <Bytram> have you D/Led the 7.0.03 Unifont files yet?
[15:53:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, why would i?
[15:53:36] <Bytram> it has the Pile-of-Poo glyph in it!
[15:54:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh bad parsing. yeah.
[15:54:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> first thing this morning
[15:54:29] <Bytram> but seriously... I just sent an e-mail to the site maintainer asking if he could include MD5SUMs for the fonts.
[15:55:11] <Bytram> in the meantime, I got one "read error" and five "connection closed" messages while trying to download: http://unifoundry.com
[15:55:34] <Bytram> so, I'm not at all certain I got the file correctly.
[15:55:47] <Bytram> could you pls MD5SUMM yours nd let me know what you got?
[15:56:32] <Bytram> or, just confirm whether mine are correct?
[15:56:34] <Bytram> a2d4cf68fe3923cd7d83331d669fb4bb *unifont_csur-7.0.03.ttf
[15:56:40] <Bytram> fbaa55d2fa4d1901f3b1f10624682465 *unifont_upper_csur-7.0.03.ttf
[15:56:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure, hang on
[15:58:04] <Bytram> thanks!
[15:58:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> both correct
[15:58:47] <Bytram> nod nod; THANKS!
[15:59:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, my dev vm: http://tmbvm.ddns.net
[15:59:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be your regular login if you can log in on dev
[15:59:55] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:00:34] <Bytram> on my way; my connectio
[16:00:40] <Bytram> is kinda slow today
[16:01:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> well hell, guess i should install cache::memcached::fast if i'm going to have it installed on dev and eventually prod
[16:01:24] <Bytram> hmmm, I see nuthin'
[16:01:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> odd
[16:02:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> hang on, gettin memcached runnin real quick
[16:02:32] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:03:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> check now
[16:03:41] <Bytram> btw, separate question... any idea on how I should go about upgrading my fonts? Copy the new font files into my \windows\fonts\ folder and then delete the old ones? I'd guess I'd need to restart any programs that were using the old one. right?
[16:03:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh hell. port forwarding needs set up
[16:03:44] <Bytram> on my way
[16:03:53] * Bytram returns
[16:04:08] <Bytram> afk brb
[16:04:09] <Bytram> coffee++
[16:04:10] <Bender> karma - coffee: 331
[16:04:48] <crutchy> coffee++
[16:04:48] <Bender> karma - coffee: 332
[16:05:15] <monopoly> ^ �
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[16:05:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> tf monopoly?
[16:06:50] <crutchy> coffee++
[16:06:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 333
[16:07:11] <crutchy> maybe its demonstrating curiosity?
[16:07:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, i'll test it with lynx from dev n give a heads up when it works
[16:08:11] <crutchy> made up a rough stats page for exec alias usage http://irciv.us.to
[16:08:17] <Bytram> back. thanks!
[16:08:21] <monopoly> ^ 03exec stats
[16:08:33] <Bytram> crutchy: are you on windows?
[16:08:52] <crutchy> err sort of
[16:09:10] <crutchy> debian vbox running on windows host
[16:09:11] <Bytram> was wondering about the best way to upgrade my fonts
[16:09:36] <Bytram> I've downloaded a new set of UTF-8 fonts and not sure about how to go about the upgrade
[16:09:41] <crutchy> ttf?
[16:09:44] <Bytram> copy in the new ones,
[16:09:46] <Bytram> yes
[16:09:52] <Bytram> then delete the old,
[16:09:56] <Bytram> and then restart apps?
[16:09:59] <crutchy> i think you just right click the file and click install
[16:10:06] <crutchy> apps?
[16:10:16] <crutchy> oh you gots windows grate
[16:10:34] <Bytram> programs (firefox BabelMap Thunnerbird, etc)
[16:10:34] <crutchy> win8; fiik
[16:10:48] <Bytram> xp :(
[16:10:52] <crutchy> ah
[16:11:06] <crutchy> i think just right click file and click install
[16:11:10] <Bytram> I normally just copy the files into \windows\fonts
[16:11:18] <crutchy> that prolly works too
[16:11:22] <Bytram> let me see if that's an option ... brb
[16:11:22] <crutchy> been a while
[16:11:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Time for an Adult Conversation about Social Media. - http://sylnt.us - Snapshot-of-my-Breakfast
[16:12:26] <Bytram> crutchy: yeah, that's not an option on my right-click menu.
[16:12:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> well hell
[16:12:32] <crutchy> Bender: s/Social Media/Porn/
[16:12:32] <SedBot> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Time for an Adult Conversation about Porn. - http://sylnt.us - Snapshot-of-my-Breakfast
[16:12:35] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: hmm??
[16:13:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> my router can't tell the difference between my host and my vm for nat
[16:13:21] <crutchy> using bridged?
[16:13:23] <Bytram> I just copied the new UTF-8 fonts to \windows\fonts
[16:14:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> there, that fixed it
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[16:14:46] <crutchy> bye Konomi :-(
[16:15:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> had to set the default server to the vm
[16:19:11] <crutchy> ~moo
[16:19:12] <exec> (__)
[16:19:13] <exec> (oo)
[16:19:13] <exec> /------\/
[16:19:13] <exec> / | ||
[16:19:14] <exec> * /\---/\
[16:19:14] <exec> ~~ ~~
[16:19:14] <exec> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
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[16:19:54] <crutchy> wb Konomi
[16:20:01] <Konomi> ty
[16:20:05] <Konomi> kernel update \o/
[16:20:50] <crutchy> sounds exciting
[16:21:34] <Bytram> hmm, looks like windows' Client Server Runtime Process (C:\WINDOWS\system32\csrss.exe) has the font file locked... can't delete the old one.
[16:22:02] <Konomi> taskkill it!
[16:22:16] <Bytram> Orly? =)
[16:22:20] <crutchy> yeah what he said
[16:22:33] <Bytram> yov first!
[16:22:52] <crutchy> ke?
[16:22:53] <Konomi> what he said?
[16:22:59] <Konomi> did I miss half the convo
[16:23:20] <crutchy> i started typing ctrl+alt+
[16:23:46] <Bytram> just exited thunderbird
[16:24:26] <Bytram> del unifont_csur-6.3.20140214.ftt (Access is denied.)
[16:24:32] * Konomi does not miss windows file handles
[16:24:45] <Bytram> that leaves HexChat of the programs that I'm aware of setting up to use Unifont
[16:24:57] <Bytram> bye bye for now; wish me luck!
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[16:25:18] * Konomi sets an MS dev on fire for good luck
[16:25:51] * stderr throws in another MS dev for better luck.
[16:26:11] * Konomi fetches the marshmallows
[16:27:03] * AndyTheAbsurd throws a Nokia engineer on, too.
[16:27:14] * AndyTheAbsurd asks Konomi to pass the marshmallows
[16:27:26] * crutchy stokes the flames with some MSCSEs
[16:27:38] <Konomi> but isn't everyone fond of their brick phone?
[16:27:50] <crutchy> they make good weapons
[16:29:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> Nokia *used* *to* make great phones. Now their mobile phone division is owned by Microsoft.
[16:33:30] <crutchy> still better than the judean people's front
[16:34:29] <Konomi> guess we have to burn them then
[16:34:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> I thought that we were the People's Front of Judea!
[16:35:13] <crutchy> no the pfj were the good guys... that really hated the romans
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[16:35:53] <crutchy> ...a lot
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[16:46:36] <Woods> Dang it, my computer froze, and now it forgot my settings for the IRC web client. Now my colors are all jacked up.
[16:51:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what happens when you use a web client
[16:56:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> *nix + tmux + irssi FTW.
[16:59:12] <swiss> crutchy: yeah, i've been running stats for a long time
[17:00:31] <Woods> TheMightyBuzzard: We have a firewall blocking the standard port IRC uses, so I have to stick with the web client. Thems the rules, unfortunately.
[17:00:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> suck
[17:01:13] <Woods> When I run this place, I will make sure to open it up nice a proper.
[17:01:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[17:02:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> xlefay was supposed to be back this week. maybe he can open up a second non-standard port for folks.
[17:04:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> Woods: that's why my sshd listens on port 443. :)
[17:05:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine listens on a non-anything-standard port on account of i got tired of checking for bad login attempts and seeing them in the thousands.
[17:06:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> TheMightyBuzzard: fail2ban. and/or only allow authentication via key.
[17:07:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> AndyTheAbsurd, key is a good idea in theory but i rarely remember to wag around a copy of my id_rsa on a usb key
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[17:24:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess it's time to turn off utf8 and see what happens
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[17:29:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> well there's one issue, it's easy to run over the allowed subject length in comments with unicode converted to entities.
[17:29:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> not much that can be done about that though
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[17:30:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Firefox Usage Falls to All-time Low - http://sylnt.us - Fox-Hunt
[17:35:55] <stderr> All-time low? As in "0"?
[17:36:50] <stderr> Nobody was using Firefox 50 years ago, so the all-time low must be "0", right?
[17:40:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> logic is not everyone's strong suit, apparently
[17:45:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, all that fucking off and plant watering i did used up my best coding mojo hours
[17:52:32] <stderr> Time for me to stare at the inside of my eyelids for a couple of hours...
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[17:58:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy
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[18:10:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> just plugged soylentnews on reddit.
[18:35:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> cool cool
[18:51:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Can You Supercharge your Brain? - http://sylnt.us - Mondo-2000:-Guide-to-the-New-Edge
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[20:14:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i am calling unicode done enough for RC testing on dev unless anyone wants to smack the crap out of it on my vm
[20:21:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Lennart Poettering on the State &amp; Future of Systemd - http://sylnt.us - Seizeing-the-Init-iative
[20:24:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, suck
[20:24:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> lameass &amp;
[20:44:42] <NCommander> http://soylentnews.org - wow
[20:44:42] <monopoly> ^ 04SN article 03 U.S. Congressional Candidate a Fan of SoylentNews 04(15 comments): BlackHole writes: B.J. Guillot is one of three candidates currently seeking to represent Washington's 2nd Congressional District in the U.S. House of Representa...
[20:44:43] <NCommander> O_O;
[20:44:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> sup NCommander
[20:45:06] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, spent my 4th of July sick out of my mind
[20:45:17] * NCommander is still ill, but not QUITE as bad
[20:45:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> yack. man you n germs just do not get along.
[20:46:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, hey, unicode work is done as far as i can tell. utf8=0 included. how ya wanna bring it in to the SoylentNews repo? branch or pull request to master?
[20:47:09] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, pull request to master
[20:47:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> will be in shortly then
[20:47:40] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, well, this is ill ill, like pain, and sore joints
[20:48:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> could still use some release candidate testing, mind ya.
[20:50:37] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[20:51:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, commits are listed oldest first. thought i was losing my mind.
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[20:54:45] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, let me look at it
[20:55:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> pull request done. some changes in there today on account of i decided we do NOT want to check getCurrentStatic('utf8') to see if we want to read/write utf8 to log files and such. just do it so things can't get screwed up by setting it to 0.
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[20:56:49] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, what's the getMCDold change?
[20:57:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's so we can still use cache::memcached to pull stats in. fast doesn't have the debug setting.
[20:57:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> wasteful but safe
[20:58:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> and like you said, we may be getting rid of memcached all together soon enough.
[20:59:30] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, well, memcache is important for performance but yeah
[20:59:40] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, someone likes spaces a lot :-/
[20:59:45] * NCommander notes /code uses tabs exclusively
[21:00:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> blame the vm. that's how its rc files are set
[21:00:58] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, what editor do you use?
[21:01:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> (g)vim
[21:01:40] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, plugins/Messages/DB/MySQL/MySQL.pm
[21:01:47] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, you've got things that are commented out for debugging
[21:01:53] <NCommander> are they supposd to still be commented out?
[21:02:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> lemme check
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[21:03:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> undecided on those. i've seen zero issues from running with them commented out though.
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[21:04:22] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I'm doing a bit of cleanup on this branch before its merged
[21:04:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> rock on with your bad self. i am notoriously messy.
[21:07:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> i could have kept it and cleaned it up here but see above re: messy and also i figured you lot would very much appreciate an easier time rebasing.
[21:12:48] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, do we get crap in slashd.log about "printing wide characters"?
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[21:13:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> not off my code, nope.
[21:14:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> that would definitely have annoyed me enough to fix.
[21:15:34] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, # TMB I think we're okay just pulling stats even in a non-debug state in the memcache
[21:15:38] <NCommander> I'm not sure I get this change
[21:15:43] * NCommander is going through and cleaning up
[21:16:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> meant including cache::memcache for just that one purpose should not especially overtax the server.
[21:16:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> as well as cache::memcached::fast that is
[21:17:29] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, yeah, but why do we set the debug state to memcache?
[21:17:33] * NCommander isn't sure what that's doing
[21:17:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> previously it only pulled stats if you set it to debug and got a shitpot of extra debugging info
[21:18:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, it needs debug set to 1 to be able to pull stats at all. dunno why.
[21:19:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> now it should be able to pull stats without spewing debug info all over stderr
[21:20:05] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, fair enough
[21:24:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> think you were right the other day about changing memcached out for something newer and requiring of less hackiness though.
[21:25:11] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I'm about half way through branch cleanup
[21:25:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> you sir are a very tidy person if you're that far along already.
[21:28:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> damnation, it's already 2:30? raiding the leftover pizza for breakfast.
[21:29:29] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, its only 11:30 here
[21:29:33] * NCommander loves living in the PAST
[21:30:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, you can just check the net and find out what's going to happen in a few hours. it's like having a TARDIS
[21:31:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - More of the Same from the TSA. - http://sylnt.us - take-the-batteries-out,-put-the-batteries-in
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[22:35:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> afk reading a book but have audible nick alerts
[22:37:31] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: din gding ding ding ding! :D
[22:37:53] * TheMightyBuzzard so knew that would happen
[22:41:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Dubai to Build Biggest Mall with 4.5 Miles of Glass Roof Streets, 100 Hotels and Theme Park - http://sylnt.us - under-the-dome
[22:45:19] <stderr> TheMightyBuzzard: Just saw what you wrote 85 minutes ago... Thanks! That has been a bit annoying...
[22:45:48] <stderr> Do you realize how hard it is to get debug info off?!
[22:46:05] <stderr> It goes everywhere! EVERYWHERE!!!
[22:47:32] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[22:47:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what happens when you're the dumping ground for every error message on the planet
[22:49:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, book's a bust. can't get myself to pay attention to it. nap then
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[23:18:49] <chromas> http://go.theregister.com
[23:18:50] <monopoly> ^ 03Free Red Hat clone CentOS-7 is full of Linux Container love • The Register: All the glitter of RHEL 7 – without the price tag ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[23:19:23] <chromas> Ooh, we need an article post; NC, get right on that!
[23:21:59] * NCommander swears some more
[23:25:21] <SirFinkus> damn, someone took @frankolson
[23:25:33] <SirFinkus> I was going to see if I could get @cia to retweet something from him
[23:25:53] <SirFinkus> or whatever it is people do on twitter
[23:26:13] <chromas> post nudez
[23:26:16] <SirFinkus> I figure it's obscure enough to get past the guy running it
[23:29:13] <SirFinkus> FrankROlson is untaken, someone help me think of something witty
[23:29:29] <SirFinkus> I want to make sure I'm on their watchlist
[23:30:37] <chromas> "Just woke up from the longest trip of my life"
[23:31:48] <SirFinkus> naw, they'd ignore that
[23:33:07] <SirFinkus> I mean, this is the shit they're sending out
[23:33:09] <SirFinkus> No, we don’t know your password, so we can’t send it to you. #sorrynotsorry #twitterversary
[23:33:24] <SirFinkus> this can't go unpunished
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[23:55:02] <BlackHole> hi!
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[23:56:01] <BlackHole> \ö/
[23:57:02] <BlackHole> an AC claiming to be the candidate from this morning's story just posted a comment! w00t!
[23:57:44] <chromas> Must be this one: http://soylentnews.org
[23:57:44] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by #65417: The candidate added 'Fuck beta'
[23:57:59] <BlackHole> everyone hurry and come up with some intelligent questions :o)
[23:58:12] <BlackHole> link: http://soylentnews.org
[23:58:12] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by #65531: This is B.J. Guillot, the candidate mentioned. I will review the various questions here and start replying in a few hours. I have to finish working at my day job bef...