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[23:01:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Circadian Rhythms Affect Driving Ability - http://sylnt.us - excuse-for-researchers-to-play-with-driving-simulators
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[21:40:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tech Company Makes its Salaries Public to all Employees - http://sylnt.us - honesty-is-the-best-policy
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[20:49:00] <arti> yay
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[20:01:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hormones Might Affect Voting Behavior - http://sylnt.us - correlation-does-not-imply-causation
[19:45:37] <mrcoolbp> yay?
[19:45:32] * NCommander managed to import the article spool into INN
[19:45:26] <NCommander> success
[19:45:25] <NCommander> WOOOOOOO
[19:38:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 305
[19:38:52] <crutchy> coffee++
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[18:31:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Video: Police Capture Crime Scenes In 3D - http://sylnt.us - he's-behind-you!
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[17:47:14] * Bytram|afk antipates out-of-memory issues... might soon be gone, but not by choice!
[17:46:25] * Bytram|afk installs palemoon
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[17:05:59] <Bytram> nod nod; just wanted to be sure that they were NOT yet out on production
[17:05:21] <NCommander> Bytram, yeah, and a bunch of other bug fixes
[17:04:53] <Bytram> NCommander: UTF-8 fixes... that's still *only* on dev.soylentnews.org -- right?
[17:02:23] * NCommander needs to fix up the feed file a bit, then write the rnews header
[17:02:12] <NCommander> w00t, that's progress
[17:01:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - If Immigration Reform is Dead, So is Raising the H-1B Cap - http://sylnt.us
[17:00:25] <NCommander> 3. \x{00cd}slenska / Icelandic: \x{00c9}g get eti\x{00f0} gler \x{00e1}n \x{00fe}ess a\x{00f0} mei\x{00f0}$
[17:00:25] <NCommander> 2. Greek: \x{039c}\x{03c0}\x{03bf}\x{03c1}\x{03ce} \x{03bd}\x{03b1} \x{03c6}\x{03ac}\x{03c9} \x{03c3}\x{03$
[17:00:25] <NCommander> 1. Euro Symbol: \x{20ac}.
[17:00:15] * NCommander is hooking into that code, and I get crap like this in the feed:
[17:00:08] <NCommander> paulej72, heads up, the current UTF-8 fixes hose the daily email
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[16:59:15] <NCommander> SourceForge did as well (not any more), as GMANE acts as an email -> NNTP exchange
[16:58:44] <NCommander> For instance, Microsoft used to have a private news server at news.microsoft.net with their own groups
[16:58:27] <NCommander> NNTP is just a way to access messages on a shard server, its not directly related to USENET
[16:57:55] <NCommander> But NNTP is a suprisingly complicated protocol
[16:57:46] <NCommander> Its partially obsolete, since NNTP does the job better
[16:57:41] <Bytram> ok
[16:57:34] <NCommander> Bytram, right, so a common format was designed to convey news between sites
[16:57:22] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:57:18] <Bytram> ok. now that I think about it, didn't they use UUCP at one time, too?
[16:57:17] <NCommander> UUCP is another; back in the old days, the only way to access USENET was via spool files on a harddrive. NNTP is a relatively recent invention as far as USENET goes
[16:56:48] <NCommander> NNTP is just one way to send and receive messages from USENET
[16:56:36] <NCommander> Bytram, USENET is a logical network made. The best way to think of it as multicast email
[16:55:06] <Bytram> lol
[16:55:02] <NCommander> one sec
[16:55:01] <NCommander> yes and no
[16:53:22] <Bytram> ok. USENET *uses* NNTP, is that right?
[16:52:50] <NCommander> You can have independent sites which don't send articles to the rest of USENET
[16:52:40] <NCommander> Bytram, NNTP != USENET
[16:52:31] <Bytram> NCommander: hmmm, lost me on that one.
[16:52:16] <Bytram> but there'd still be the issue of someone else quoting what I wrote and auto-posting that.
[16:52:07] <NCommander> Just a NNTP server, we don't need to seed it into USENET itself
[16:51:57] <NCommander> Bytram, well, not USENET directly
[16:51:56] <Bytram> I'd feel a *bit* better if there was a user-preference to toggle whether or not my comments/journals/etc. got automagially cloned to usenet.
[16:50:16] <Bytram> for some reason, I'm not liking the idea of what I post here ALSO getting *automatically* shipped out to usenet... if I *wanted* it on usenet, *I* would have posted it there, myself.
[16:48:46] <Bytram> ummm, thinking.
[16:48:39] <NCommander> | Blob test |
[16:48:38] <NCommander> +----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
[16:48:36] <NCommander> Message-ID:
[16:48:36] <NCommander> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 09:24:00 +0000
[16:48:35] <NCommander> Subject: Blob test
[16:48:35] <NCommander> Newsgroups: soylentnews.general
[16:48:35] <NCommander> From: NCommander
[16:48:34] <NCommander> Path: lithium!carbon
[16:48:03] <NCommander> THe header writers out properly
[16:47:55] <NCommander> w00t
[16:47:55] <NCommander> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 09:46:00 +0000
[16:47:54] <NCommander> Subject: UTF-8 testing after dev update with TheMightyBuzzard's fixes
[16:47:54] <NCommander> Newsgroups: soylentnews.general
[16:47:54] <NCommander> From: martyb
[16:47:53] <NCommander> Bytram, shouldn't be a problem; INN has suport for handling that + we can track it in the database to prevent the files from getting too big
[16:47:20] <Bytram> circular: you see a comment on slash; send it to news; see it on news; post it to slash; see it on slash... :/
[16:46:52] <NCommander> Which then feeds into INN
[16:46:47] <Bytram> hmmm, thinking
[16:46:44] <NCommander> THe protocol is stupid simple (flat files)
[16:46:39] <NCommander> I'm modifying slash to work as a UUCP/news site
[16:46:29] * NCommander notes his potential design won't have that issue
[16:46:21] <Bytram> NCommander: ^^^
[16:46:20] <NCommander> Bytram, ?
[16:45:24] <Bytram> beware of race conditions and of circular posting/reading/posting
[16:45:00] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:44:43] * Bytram has given up and started to download flash player just so he can get to *one* song.
[16:44:30] <NCommander> Bytram, bidirectional, though I'm starting with just the former
[16:43:56] <Bytram> NCommander: are you looking to *just* send things out to NNTP or are you looking for a bi-directional interface?
[16:38:55] <NCommander> Bytram, that's NNTP -> web, this is somewhat tricker
[16:38:48] <Bytram> afk brb
[16:35:18] <monopoly> └ 04SN article: 03Journal 04(ID comments): Leaving JS on will make some pages easier to use, e.g. loading comments in the background. The bot defences have had to be reworked, so you may see more captchas than...
[16:35:16] <Bytram> squte.com - user is tdk; see: http://soylentnews.org
[16:34:38] <Bytram> hmmm, IIRC, one of the site members has been working on an interface with NNTP... has a web site: squte.com or .org, not sure
[16:33:49] <NCommander> Bytram, I'm experimenting with the possibility of a NNTP gateway for SN
[16:33:27] <Bytram> not in a while, but have been active in the past... what's up?
[16:33:03] <NCommander> Bytram, do you use newsgroups by any chance?
[16:32:48] <Bytram> NCommander: g'day
[16:32:37] <NCommander> hey folks
[16:31:05] <exec> wiki: successfully logged out
[16:30:15] <exec> wiki: login=Success, username=Exec (userid=1546)
[16:30:10] <crutchy> ~feed-wiki
[16:29:56] <exec> buckets flushed
[16:29:55] <crutchy> ~buckets-flush
[16:29:44] <crutchy> gotta clear out the feed history :-/
[16:28:16] <exec> wiki: successfully logged out
[16:27:57] <exec> wiki: login=Success, username=Exec (userid=1546)
[16:27:52] <crutchy> ~feed-wiki
[16:27:49] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file
[16:27:48] <crutchy> ~reload
[16:27:23] <crutchy> dammit. stupid.. programmer
[16:27:03] <exec> alias "~feed-wiki" requires additional trailing argument
[16:27:02] <crutchy> ~feed-wiki
[16:26:59] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file
[16:26:57] <crutchy> ~reload
[16:25:35] <crutchy> ~feed-wiki
[16:25:23] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file
[16:25:22] <crutchy> ~reload
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[16:20:55] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:16:29] <crutchy> page usage wouldn't be so much a problem. disk space usage might be just the edit logs from the bot adding the section and various people editing
[16:15:23] <Bytram> afk
[16:14:21] * Bytram doffs QA hat
[16:14:15] * Bytram wonders how much disk space we've got on the wiki machine, as well as the performance impact
[16:14:11] * Bytram dons QA hat
[16:12:34] <crutchy> might leave out deleting to begin with till the nitty gritty is worked out
[16:12:21] <crutchy> nod nod
[16:12:14] <crutchy> also prolly just a limited number of feeds which can be refined on another wiki page
[16:11:58] <Bytram> =)
[16:11:48] <Bytram> hrmmmm... just be VERY careful about what you're deleting!! there's a big difference between "rm -fr ./" and "rm -fr . /"
[16:11:32] <crutchy> might make it so that if a section isn't touched in a couple of days it is auto-deleted (so as not no clog up the page too much)
[16:10:54] <crutchy> or if a section doesn't look worthy it can be deleted to
[16:10:34] <crutchy> when a submission is made the section is deleted (by the submitter)
[16:10:06] <crutchy> i think the intention is to create a section in a wiki page with a feed link to enable editors and contributors to develop article summaries for submission
[16:09:14] <monopoly> └ 03I Got You by AmyAllenMusic on SoundCloud - Hear the world’s sounds: Hi! this is Amy Allen and I’m a singer/songwriter from South Portland, Maine. My parents bought me my first guitar when I was nine years old and I ... ( http://soundcloud.com )
[16:09:10] <Bytram> https://soundcloud.com
[16:08:53] <Bytram> yay! Ummm, what does it do?
[16:08:38] <crutchy> trying to hook up the feeds script to it now
[16:08:23] <crutchy> Bytram: got the wiki script working
[16:04:42] <Bytram> crutchy: yeah, but I'm trying to access something that is somewhere else
[16:04:11] <crutchy> ~feed
[16:04:05] <crutchy> Bytram: youtube works without flash
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[15:56:35] * Bytram is trying to play a piece of online music and would rather NOT install flash, thankyouverymuch :/
[15:54:19] <Bytram> crutchy: gday!
[15:54:09] <crutchy> hi Bytram
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[15:26:23] <prospectacle> maybe in our lifetimes
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[15:25:51] <prospectacle> think of all the oil and pipeline wars we have now
[15:25:41] <prospectacle> if solar power and batteries ever become sufficiently efficient, the world will look very different
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[15:22:27] <crutchy> i'm just a lowly troll
[15:22:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - More Solar Cell Progress... and Lasers! - http://sylnt.us - need-more-power-but-keep-your-remaining-good-eye-closed
[15:22:00] <crutchy> but i guess there is plenty to do for those that know how
[15:21:21] <crutchy> sn isn't immune from bureaucracy
[15:14:36] <prospectacle> j/k
[15:14:32] <prospectacle> maybe sn is hiring
[15:14:03] <prospectacle> though
[15:13:56] <prospectacle> I'd rather work for a co-op where the workers are the shareholders. Hard to find one thought
[15:10:42] <prospectacle> no doubt they can, as can any big organisation if it becomes corrupt, overly bureaucratic, etc
[15:10:22] <prospectacle> yes, big organisations with lawyers and experience can out-negotiate individuals 8 times out of 10. Hence unions
[15:10:18] <crutchy> unions can be a negative influence somethimes though too
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[15:09:56] <crutchy> employments contracts are hard. i guess that's how unions came about
[15:09:48] <prospectacle> yeah I'm hoping I've got a bit of weight. Don't want to overplay my hand, but to be honest I could do with a holiday
[15:09:08] <crutchy> many employers expect it. depends on how much they value you or you value them
[15:08:37] <crutchy> you can change contract clauses
[15:05:34] <prospectacle> I hate signing stuff. Oh well that's our custom
[15:01:16] <prospectacle> true. so if they think the money is more than they'd make/save by keeping your knowledge away from their competitor, then your'e sweet. Otherwise...
[15:00:18] <crutchy> any more than that would require them spending money
[14:59:59] <crutchy> even if they found out they probably still wouldn't bother pursuing it. if they were real bastards they might send a nasty letter at most
[14:58:38] <crutchy> its only really applicable for really high value high profile positions
[14:58:34] <prospectacle> only if I was willing to fight it, which would be expensive
[14:58:03] <crutchy> even if your previous employer *could* convince a court to enforce the clause, they would have to pursue it at more expense than its worth for most people
[14:58:02] <prospectacle> well it's probably fine, but i think it's better to have a good contract than to hope the bad parts don't end up applying
[14:57:09] <crutchy> i wouldn't worry about it
[14:56:57] <crutchy> maybe if you're a ceo or the manager of an R&D department the clause might stick
[14:56:53] <prospectacle> I mean maybe you find a job easily elsewhere but maybe the market is tight and competitors are offering you a job. I think 12 months seems like a lot
[14:56:26] <prospectacle> yeah I'm wondering what's a reasonable duration
[14:56:18] <crutchy> its more of a scare tactic
[14:56:13] <crutchy> in many cases restraint of trade isn't enforceable anyway
[14:55:28] <crutchy> i had one
[14:55:23] <crutchy> usually 12 months
[14:55:18] <crutchy> prospectacle: it's fairly typical
[14:33:16] <prospectacle> does anyone here have a "you can't work for a competitor for x months after you quit" clause in their contract?
[14:32:34] <prospectacle> that's what I meant
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[14:32:31] <crutchy> ~restart
[14:32:18] <SedBot> <crutchy> <prospectacle> no he's a high level drug smuggler, recently pardoned under mysterious circumcision
[14:32:18] <crutchy> prospectacle: s/stances/cision/
[14:26:25] <prospectacle> no he's a high level drug smuggler, recently pardoned under mysterious circumstances
[14:25:59] <chromas> "gangbanger dies; cops investigate". Doesn't sound realistic
[14:24:35] <prospectacle> lol
[14:24:22] <chromas> Aha!
[14:23:55] <crutchy> chromas... tubes
[14:23:44] <prospectacle> A gangaster is killed and the gang investigates who did it, also the cops investigate.
[14:23:38] <chromas> Series of what?!! I need to know!
[14:23:33] <prospectacle> speaking of chiwetel ejiofor, i recently found this program called "shadow line" which is really good.
[14:22:40] <crutchy> prolly full of ads :-/
[14:22:20] <monopoly> └ 032012 (2009) - IMDb: Directed by Roland Emmerich. With John Cusack, Thandie Newton, Chiwetel Ejiofor, Amanda Peet. A frustrated writer struggles to keep his family alive when a series of ...
[14:22:19] <crutchy> http://www.imdb.com
[14:22:17] <crutchy> it doesn't have baysplosions, but not too bad
[14:21:28] <prospectacle> is that one good?
[14:21:26] <crutchy> on win gippsland
[14:21:11] <crutchy> ooh we got 2012 on here
[14:20:28] <prospectacle> "You don't like me cause you're a racist". "What?!" "you don't like me because I'm white". "I don't like you because you're gonna get me killed"
[14:19:55] <crutchy> oh cool yeah that's better
[14:19:19] <prospectacle> ooh die hard with a vengeance
[14:19:13] <crutchy> ~feed
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[14:17:49] <crutchy> must be a regional thing
[14:17:29] <crutchy> lol
[14:17:22] <prospectacle> weird. here the afl is on seven mate
[14:16:19] <crutchy> damn afl
[14:16:11] <crutchy> its on 7mate here
[14:15:13] <prospectacle> it's pretty boring though, I'm just trying to decide what to put on instead
[14:14:29] <prospectacle> 7
[14:14:19] <crutchy> channel?
[14:14:08] <prospectacle> fast and furious
[14:14:03] <crutchy> what's on?
[14:13:22] <exec> unset bucket
[14:13:20] <crutchy> ~bucket <<PAST_FEEDS>> unset
[14:13:10] <prospectacle> oh no vin diesel has found a clue. I predict a car chase at some point
[14:10:25] <exec> bucket count: 3
[14:10:25] <exec> bucket list output to terminal
[14:10:23] <crutchy> ~buckets-list
[14:08:09] <crutchy> feeds script constructs its own privmsg rather than calling the internal command
[14:07:45] <crutchy> its not outputting its own raw msgs to terminal
[14:07:31] <crutchy> ah
[14:05:10] <crutchy> hmm exec not outputting its own privmsgs to the terminal :-/
[14:03:27] <crutchy> ~feed
[14:03:14] <prospectacle> sweet
[14:03:09] <crutchy> ooh feeds seems to be working
[14:02:50] <crutchy> aussie broadband is pretty good here. not sure i could get a much better deal
[14:02:09] <prospectacle> sometimes you can get more gigabytes just by asking, esp. if you know there's a better deal for the same price elsewhere
[14:02:06] <crutchy> ~feed
[14:01:19] <prospectacle> always a danger
[14:01:14] <prospectacle> lol
[14:01:10] <crutchy> or being male
[14:01:05] <crutchy> the fault tree leads to marriage being the cause
[14:00:37] <prospectacle> too many movies?
[14:00:31] <crutchy> (and by association exec's)
[14:00:06] <crutchy> mine
[14:00:03] <crutchy> might just muck around with one or two sources
[14:00:01] <prospectacle> which connection is shaped?
[13:59:43] <crutchy> feeds script is *very* slow with shaped connection
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[13:58:10] <prospectacle> what about freckles dug into the icing? that's as far as I can go
[13:57:40] <crutchy> aww but i wanted the presidential cupcake... with sprinkles :-D
[13:57:32] <prospectacle> today
[13:57:23] <prospectacle> but you can't be president of the world
[13:57:19] <prospectacle> yes of course, all entrants get a cupcake
[13:57:16] <crutchy> i mean world thingy
[13:57:09] <crutchy> does that mean i get the cupcake?
[13:56:49] <prospectacle> you expressed an opinion when asked for a fact
[13:56:36] <prospectacle> human!
[13:56:22] <crutchy> error: bacon_and_eggs caused in exceptionally large dump
[13:55:33] <crutchy> i ated a bacon and eggs on sourdough for lunch *yummm*
[13:54:59] <prospectacle> well we can test: what did you do today crutchybot?
[13:54:02] <crutchy> if so i'm in :-D
[13:53:47] <prospectacle> because no politician so far has this skill, and it could be a real advantage if they did
[13:53:45] <crutchy> does "world" refer to a cupcake?
[13:52:52] <prospectacle> any human who can pass this test gets to become president of the world
[13:52:16] <chromas> exec is obviously human
[13:52:07] <prospectacle> the judges have to guess who is secretly a human
[13:51:50] <exec> process timed out:
[13:51:44] <prospectacle> all the humans have to pretend they're robots, and make consistent, logical responses
[13:51:26] <prospectacle> i propose a reverse turing test
[13:49:21] <crutchy> ~feed
[13:49:08] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file
[13:49:06] <crutchy> ~reload
[13:48:56] <crutchy> yeah same here
[13:47:55] <prospectacle> choofmonster I've never heard that
[13:47:01] <crutchy> ~join #~
[13:45:36] <chromas> That should save 6 or 7 bytes
[13:45:21] <chromas> I wonder if you could add compression
[13:45:07] <chromas> oh yeah it's that time of the month
[13:44:53] <crutchy> :-(
[13:44:47] <crutchy> exec is shaped too
[13:44:46] <chromas> *whipcrack!*
[13:44:44] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3choof: Australian slang for the act of smoking cannabis sativa or indica through a bong. One who overindulges is known as a choofmonster.
[13:44:37] <chromas> faster, faster!
[13:44:31] <chromas> ~define choof
[13:44:23] <crutchy> maybe its #test pipe ran out of choof
[13:44:00] * SedBot is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[13:44:00] <chromas> SedBot: watches files or pipes or whatever ii makes, so I imagine there's a SedBot for each channel and that one died
[13:43:22] <prospectacle> oh
[13:43:16] <crutchy> but it doesn't do regex anyway :-/
[13:43:15] <prospectacle> chromas: s/test/dance/
[13:43:15] <chromas> does it regex? :D
[13:43:02] <crutchy> i'll set up exec sed to work in #test
[13:42:53] <chromas> FoobarBazbot, I'm lookin' at you
[13:41:57] <chromas> too bad there's no channel I can #test it in
[13:41:48] <chromas> good work
[13:41:37] <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Plays With your Private Parts - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:41:37] <crutchy> SedBot: s/(<.*>)//
[13:41:32] <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <chroma <SedBot> <crutchy <SedBot> <prospectacle> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Plays With your Private Parts - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:41:32] <chromas> SedBot: s/.(<*>)//
[13:41:21] <chromas> aw
[13:41:17] <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <crutchy <SedBot> <prospectacle> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Plays With your Private Parts - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:41:17] <chromas> SedBot: s/(<*>)//
[13:41:02] <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Plays With your Private Parts - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:41:02] <crutchy> SedBot: s/owns the rights to/Plays With/
[13:40:43] <prospectacle> should have read the eula
[13:40:25] <SedBot> <prospectacle> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook owns the rights to your Private Parts - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:40:25] <prospectacle> SedBot: s/Has No /owns the rights to your /
[13:39:56] <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Has No Private Parts - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:39:56] <crutchy> SedBot: s/Unable to/Has No/
[13:39:29] <SedBot> <prospectacle> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Unable to Private Parts - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:39:29] <prospectacle> SedBot: s/Protect its / /
[13:39:18] <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Unable to Protect its Private Parts - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:39:18] <crutchy> SedBot: s/cy/te Parts/
[13:37:34] <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Unable to Protect its Privacy - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:37:34] <chromas> SedBot: s/User's //
[13:36:21] <prospectacle> there we go
[13:36:15] <monopoly> └ 04SN article: 03Facebook Unable to Protect its User's Privacy from Manhattan's District Attorney 04(1 comments): class="byline"> AnonTechie writes: A dispute between Facebook and Manhattan's district attorney ( http://www.nytimes.com ( http://soylentnews.org )
[13:36:13] <SedBot> <prospectacle> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Unable to Protect its User's Privacy - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:36:13] <prospectacle> Bender: s/from Manhattan's District Attorney/ /
[13:35:27] <monopoly> └ 04SN article: 03Facebook Unable to Protect its User's Privacy from Manhattan's District Attorney 04(1 comments): class="byline"> AnonTechie writes: A dispute between Facebook and Manhattan's district attorney ( http://www.nytimes.com ( http://soylentnews.org )
[13:35:24] <SedBot> <chromas> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Unable to Protect its User's Privacy from Chebyshev's District Attorney - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:35:24] <chromas> Bender: s/Manhattan/Chebyshev/
[13:33:42] <prospectacle> oh i did it wrong
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[13:33:25] <prospectacle> bender: s/from manhattan's district attorney//
[13:31:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Unable to Protect its User's Privacy from Manhattan's District Attorney - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:29:52] * Konomi hugs ffmpeg until it explodes
[13:29:49] <monopoly> └ 03 AudioChannelManipulation – FFmpeg
[13:29:45] <Konomi> https://trac.ffmpeg.org
[13:25:28] <prospectacle> mr sentient, how goes it?
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[13:23:03] <Bender> karma - kettles: 1
[13:23:03] <prospectacle> kettles++
[13:22:48] <Bender> karma - boilers: 1
[13:22:48] <crutchy> boilers++
[13:22:40] <Bender> karma - steam: 1
[13:22:40] <crutchy> steam++
[13:22:05] <crutchy> she bought a game from eb games today and it connects to steam somehow
[13:21:19] * crutchy isn't big into games so its ok
[13:21:01] <crutchy> my wife registered with steam before i did :-/
[13:19:48] <prospectacle> always
[13:19:27] <crutchy> the fooly sick one works best :-P
[13:19:14] <prospectacle> Just face the speaker upwards
[13:19:04] <prospectacle> well that's easy, the borg absorb all messages from all sources
[13:18:49] <crutchy> she's trying to transmit a coded message to the borg
[13:18:29] <prospectacle> Instead of importing then down-mixing can you just transcode with e.g. vlc? let it make the decisions. Or am I way off what you're trying to do?
[13:18:25] <crutchy> fooly sick with the subwoofer
[13:18:14] <Bender> karma - lfe: 1
[13:18:14] <crutchy> LFE++
[13:18:10] * Konomi googles
[13:17:53] <Konomi> I guess duplicate C and LFE and merge with L and R
[13:17:45] <Konomi> merg L R with SL SR is obvious
[13:17:14] <crutchy> kiddywinks are in bed
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[13:17:10] <Konomi> but I have like 0 idea on how to down mix this to stereo grr
[13:16:51] <Konomi> whihc looking at the waveforms seems accurate
[13:16:42] <Konomi> Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
[13:16:36] <prospectacle> whatever works
[13:16:32] <Konomi> I think mediainfo found me a channel map anyway
[13:16:23] <Konomi> audacity please don't mock me ;p
[13:15:12] <prospectacle> what did you use for importing?
[13:14:45] <Konomi> have no way to tell which is which grrr
[13:14:40] * Konomi imported 5.1 but each track is mono and simply labeled with an index number -.-
[13:14:34] <prospectacle> for (kk = 0; kk < x; kk++) if (kk > 7) val=1
[13:14:18] <Konomi> does anyone have any clue how channel maps work for ogg files?
[13:14:07] <prospectacle> which i have experienced in the past
[13:13:56] * Konomi pouts
[13:10:40] <prospectacle> the worst is having to use code from people who don't comment, and do things like if ($x=1) $bb = 7
[13:10:20] <prospectacle> popeidol, yes, that too
[13:10:10] <prospectacle> yeah true. I think comments can be relied upon at the expense of code readability. On the other hand the reverse is true. Sometimes the best code in the world won't explain what two lines of comments at the start of the function will explain
[13:10:05] <Popeidol> I mostly comment just to remind me wtf I was trying to do originally
[13:07:38] <crutchy> thanks prospectacle. i generally try to write readable code rather than go nuts with comments trying to explain things that may or may not actually happen (comments are great, but only if the code actually does what the comment says)
[13:05:08] <prospectacle> anyway, your code quite clean and readable which is more than I can say for a lot of mine.
[13:03:57] <prospectacle> if the performance is good anyway then it doesn't really matter. It's only if it's likely to grow such that it becomes a problem, then it's easier to do things the fast way early on, so you don't have to think about them later.
[13:01:55] <crutchy> and other things
[13:01:47] <crutchy> there's prolly loads of places in all my scripts that could be improved like that
[13:00:28] <crutchy> nod nod
[13:00:06] <prospectacle> btw, not a big deal here but using "count" in a for loop is slow if the array is big (it counts every time through the loop). For arrays that might be large, and will stay the same size throughout the loop, always do the count before hand, and assign it to some variable
[12:59:00] <prospectacle> the block that starts here, for example: "for ($i=0;$i<count($feed_list);$i++)" would be 99% of the get_rss_from_feeds()
[12:56:46] <crutchy> fingers crossed
[12:56:35] <crutchy> i think so
[12:56:07] <prospectacle> looks like most of the code is written already, just needs a small reorganisation
[12:55:42] <prospectacle> then something like "send_stories_to_irc($stories)" and "send_stories_to_wiki_page($page, $section, $overwrite=false)"
[12:55:25] <crutchy> sounds like a good idea. i'll start working on the get_feeds_from_wiki function
[12:54:42] <crutchy> i'll see if i can make it output reliably to a channel, and then if it works ok there i'll add output to the Sandbox article
[12:54:40] <prospectacle> so maybe the global code in feeds.php could be broken down to something like "$stories = get_rss_from_feeds($feeds)" and "get_feeds_from_file($file)" or "get_feeds_from_wiki($page)"
[12:53:51] <crutchy> on a timer alias
[12:53:29] <crutchy> yeah
[12:53:27] <monopoly> └ 04Wiki: 03Rss sources: http://feeds.arstechnica.com http://rss.slashdot.org
[12:53:26] <crutchy> oh and gotta get the feed sources from http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[12:53:18] <prospectacle> so where does it output the results now? to irc?
[12:51:14] <prospectacle> looks good
[12:50:10] <crutchy> just need to tweak it to send internal trigger messages to the wiki script
[12:49:33] <monopoly> └ 03test/scripts/feeds.php at master · crutchy-/test · GitHub: Contribute to test development by creating an account on GitHub.
[12:49:32] <crutchy> there's a script that sorta does that already here https://github.com
[12:48:52] <crutchy> yeah. similar to regurgitator in #rss-bot
[12:48:29] <prospectacle> hmm, how should that work? probably don't want to include story summary, as that will discourage people from writing their own summary. Maybe just the headline and a link?
[12:47:45] <crutchy> if you're curious
[12:47:40] <monopoly> └ 03test/scripts/wiki.php at master · crutchy-/test · GitHub: Contribute to test development by creating an account on GitHub.
[12:47:38] <crutchy> https://github.com
[12:45:56] <crutchy> just need to tweak a feed script to use it now
[12:45:51] <prospectacle> that was fast
[12:45:37] <crutchy> and output section content
[12:45:27] <crutchy> can add, edit and delete page sections
[12:45:20] <prospectacle> nice one
[12:45:07] <crutchy> wiki script is working
[12:45:02] <prospectacle> what's up?
[12:44:57] <prospectacle> hey hey
[12:44:56] <crutchy> hi prospectacle
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[12:39:44] <chromas> Triviabot's missing
[12:29:11] <crutchy> feck
[12:29:06] <exec> wiki: edit=error getting edittoken
[12:28:58] <crutchy> ~wiki edit Sandbox|new section|some next text stuff
[12:28:43] <exec> wiki: edit=error getting edittoken
[12:28:38] <crutchy> ~wiki edit Sandbox|new section|some next text stuff
[12:27:58] <crutchy> yay!
[12:27:45] <exec> some text blah jiggy jiggy blah blah doorsnoker
[12:27:34] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[12:27:29] <crutchy> ada
[12:24:04] <Popeidol> time to rewrite slash in Cobol
[12:22:55] <NCommander> I despise perl
[12:21:59] <crutchy> sorry about the spam
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[12:19:07] <exec> new section[edit]
[12:18:48] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[12:15:56] * NCommander fiddles more w/ slashcode
[12:14:31] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[12:14:26] <crutchy> wow my internet sucks atm :-/
[12:14:11] <exec> process timed out: get Sandbox|new section
[12:13:29] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[12:13:24] <crutchy> think i'm almost there
[12:12:04] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[12:11:35] <chromas> oh I probably need privs
[12:11:34] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[12:11:26] <chromas> ~wiki Sandbox|x|test
[12:10:21] <exec> syntax: ~wiki title|section|text
[12:10:20] <crutchy> ~wiki edit
[12:09:54] <crutchy> ~wiki edit
[12:09:48] <crutchy> ~wiki edt
[12:09:22] <crutchy> its just typed here
[12:08:08] <chromas> Where does it get the data to paste into the wiki?
[12:05:22] <crutchy> hmm need a strip_comments lib function
[12:03:17] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[12:01:53] <exec> process timed out: get Sandbox|new section
[12:01:31] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[12:00:42] <monopoly> └ 04SN article: 03New Algorithm Simplifies the Categorization of Large Amount of Data 04(0 comments): class="byline"> lhsi writes: A new algorithm has been published that simplifies grouping data sets together according to their similarity, sometimes referred to as Cl... ( http://soylentnews.org )
[12:00:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Algorithm Simplifies the Categorization of Large Amount of Data - http://sylnt.us - /dev/null-grouping
[11:59:20] <exec> wiki: edit=section not found
[11:59:15] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[11:59:03] <exec> [Google] 5:58am Saturday (EDT) - Time in Washington, DC, USA
[11:58:41] <crutchy> ~time dc
[11:58:08] <exec> wiki: edit=section not found
[11:58:05] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
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[11:53:34] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[11:52:26] <crutchy> grr
[11:52:19] <exec> wiki: edit=section not found
[11:52:14] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
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[11:38:22] <arti> want a little hooch in the coffee?
[11:38:03] <arti> better than meh!
[11:37:46] <NCommander> arti, eh
[11:37:42] <arti> how are you feeling?
[11:37:38] <arti> good morning NCommander
[11:37:27] <NCommander> Morning world
[11:35:33] <exec> wiki: edit=section not found
[11:35:20] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[11:33:52] <exec> wiki: edit=section not found
[11:33:41] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[11:27:01] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox
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[11:04:13] <arti> just set the property to immutable
[11:04:01] <crutchy> or ambiguous at least
[11:03:38] <crutchy> kinda makes the whole 'energy can neither be created nor destroyed' seem a bit dumb
[11:03:00] <crutchy> those electrons just keep doin their thing
[11:02:45] <crutchy> who really knows
[11:01:39] <arti> magnets, how do they work?
[11:01:18] * crutchy worships magnets
[11:01:04] <ar> no, not really
[11:00:53] <crutchy> is that the cult of magnet worshipers?
[11:00:38] <arti> nifty
[11:00:25] <monopoly> └ 03EHSM-2014 / June 27-29 / Hamburg
[11:00:22] <ar> there's a conference there right now, http://ehsm.eu
[11:00:22] <arti> was habt ihr?
[11:00:06] <ar> Deutsches Elektronen-Synchrotron
[11:00:03] <arti> what is that
[10:59:58] <exec> DESY: unable to find definition
[10:59:44] <crutchy> ~define DESY
[10:59:14] <ar> DESY, anyone?
[10:57:50] <Bender> karma - manapua: 1
[10:57:50] <arti> manapua++
[10:57:18] <Bender> karma - coffee: 304
[10:57:18] <ar> coffee--
[10:52:37] <arti> meat_manipulation_3.ogg
[10:52:26] <Bender> karma - steak: 1
[10:52:26] <crutchy> steak++
[10:52:14] <crutchy> ooh hell yeah
[10:52:01] <arti> i'll trade you steak for it
[10:51:59] <Bender> karma - dangeroussinzones: 1
[10:51:59] <chromas> dangeroussinzones++
[10:51:55] <arti> mmm nachos
[10:51:48] <SedBot> <crutchy> offers arti some nachos
[10:51:48] <crutchy> s/nacos/nachos/
[10:51:40] <arti> chromas, are you able to vouch for this device?
[10:51:28] * crutchy offers arti some nacos
[10:51:22] <arti> the symbol featured on the lower left really ties it together
[10:51:19] <Konomi> >.>
[10:50:38] <chromas> nsfw: https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net
[10:50:02] <arti> is the force with you?
[10:49:53] <arti> hello crutchy
[10:49:41] <crutchy> :-)
[10:49:35] <crutchy> hi
[10:49:30] <arti> g'day
[10:49:20] <Bender> karma - tpying: 1
[10:49:20] <crutchy> tpying++
[10:46:35] <chromas> it's weird that he's on Bones or something now
[10:46:00] <chromas> make sure your consciousness s transfered and not copied
[10:45:55] <monopoly> └ 03Metal Legs - YouTube: Metal Legs
[10:45:54] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[10:44:57] * Konomi is just going to replace her annoying human form with a robot eventually
[10:44:33] <chromas> You need to take yourself out of the loop; automate the sickness
[10:44:12] <arti> but dat mouth breathing
[10:43:57] <Konomi> I do get sick of being sick though
[10:43:50] <Konomi> I don't get sick of tpying ;p
[10:43:12] <chromas> Looks like the 3 stuff disappered
[10:43:03] <chromas> aw
[10:42:52] <arti> i get sick of typing too
[10:42:30] <Konomi> you'll have to forgive my poor typing I'm sick >.<
[10:42:13] <Konomi> their snv is very active though
[10:41:58] <Konomi> they do take forever to do stable releases though
[10:41:41] <arti> chromas, perhaps they're writing it in perl 6
[10:41:38] <Konomi> Remove more of the old distinctions about Unicode versions as we're all Unicode now. Today (6 hours ago)
[10:41:37] <Konomi> r13240
[10:41:16] <Konomi> doesn't look like it
[10:41:14] <monopoly> └ 03Changes - audacity - Audacity: Free, Cross-Platform Audio Editor and Recorder - Google Project Hosting
[10:41:13] <Konomi> https://code.google.com
[10:41:04] <chromas> Maybe it's achieving Enlightenment...dr17
[10:40:42] <chromas> I remember there was a version 3 on the way, with a beta or something; that was years ago
[10:40:25] <chromas> Isn't audaicty abandoned?
[10:40:22] <Konomi> and audacity seems to poll every alsa device on my system it takes ages to start
[10:40:06] <chromas> Time t fork
[10:40:05] <Konomi> mostly the threading
[10:39:55] <chromas> Blender is awkward for video
[10:39:50] <Konomi> that and it isn't threaded
[10:39:44] <Konomi> but auduacity is kinda giving me the shits
[10:39:36] <Konomi> blender iirc and kdenlive or whatever it is
[10:39:29] <Konomi> there are some good video ones
[10:39:14] <chromas> Video, too
[10:39:07] <chromas> There aren't any
[10:38:58] * Konomi needs to find a better linux audio editing program
[10:34:42] <chromas> maybe it should require an http://
[10:34:22] <monopoly> └ 03400 Bad Request
[10:34:21] <exec> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[10:34:21] <exec> ~~ ~~
[10:34:20] <exec> * /\---/\
[10:34:20] <exec> / | ||
[10:34:20] <exec> /------\/
[10:34:19] <exec> (oo)
[10:34:19] <exec> (__)
[10:34:18] <chromas> ~moo
[10:34:16] <chromas> I think it's ~moo now
[10:34:09] <chromas> or fixed++
[10:33:52] <Bender> karma - fixing: 1
[10:33:52] <chromas> fixing++
[10:33:49] <arti> moo
[10:33:41] <chromas> u.s.
[10:30:38] <JamesNZ> :P
[10:30:35] <Bender> karma - bugs: -1
[10:30:35] <JamesNZ> bugs--
[10:23:23] <chromas> :(
[10:21:28] <monopoly> └ 04SN article: 03First Exoskeleton Gets FDA Approval For U.S. Sales 04(0 comments): A motorized exoskeleton, designed to help paralyzed people walk again, just earned U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval. It is the first such device to d... ( http://soylentnews.org )
[10:21:28] <monopoly> └ 03Index of ( http://localhost )
[10:21:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - First Exoskeleton Gets FDA Approval For U.S. Sales - http://sylnt.us - waiting-for-gray-fox-edition
[10:18:05] <monopoly> └ 04SN article: 03Breakthrough in Solar Panel Manufacture Promises Cheap Energy Within a Decade 04(5 comments): ( http://soylentnews.org )
[10:18:03] <chromas> plus it does this: http://sylnt.us
[10:17:44] <chromas> could still use testing I guess but it shouldn't barf too much on sed strings
[10:17:10] <chromas> seems to work now
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[10:13:25] <chromas> somebody likes 'em
[10:13:18] <chromas> hah
[10:13:04] <Bender> karma - bugs: 0
[10:13:04] <JamesNZ> bugs--
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[10:09:28] <Bender> karma - debugging: 1
[10:09:28] <chromas> debugging++
[09:33:30] <chromas> :(
[09:33:22] <monopoly> └ 03Index of ( http://localhost )
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[09:33:22] <monopoly> └ 03Index of ( http://localhost )
[09:33:21] <SedBot> <chromas> since Steve died.discussed the lack of openly gay CEOs in large companies."
[09:33:21] <chromas> s/./ since Steve died./
[09:33:14] <chromas> "discussed the lack of openly gay CEOs in large companies."
[09:31:26] <swiss> 10/10
[09:30:11] <chromas> Oops
[09:27:33] <monopoly> └ 03Page Not Found: BuzzFeed has the hottest, most social content on the web. We feature breaking buzz and the kinds of things you'd want to pass along to your friends.
[09:27:32] <swiss> http://www.buzzfeed.com
[08:50:31] <swiss> ah
[08:49:35] <JamesNZ> I know, I meant it looks handy for learning.
[08:48:38] <swiss> it's a game
[08:47:38] <JamesNZ> That looks handy.
[08:46:45] <monopoly> └ 03 Regex Golf ( http://regex.alf.nu )
[08:46:44] <swiss> http://regex.alf.nu
[08:46:33] <swiss> what was that regex game site...
[08:46:24] <swiss> once you start getting into reverse searches it can get bad
[08:46:10] <swiss> there are complex options, but the majority or regex isn't
[08:45:47] <JamesNZ> swiss: I digress :P
[08:45:36] <JamesNZ> Subsentient: Yeah.
[08:45:22] <swiss> it is the only thing that makes sense of this crazy mixed up world
[08:45:14] <swiss> regex is not complex
[08:44:36] <Subsentient> JamesNZ: I love regex but they're far too complex to learn.
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[08:17:58] <juggs> the utility is without doubt.
[08:13:38] <JamesNZ> I despise regex but they're far too useful to ignore -_-
[08:10:45] <juggs> meh regex is overrated
[08:10:08] <SedBot> <juggs> so substitute vodka or w/e in there. sleep it underrated, do whatever is takes to get more of it :D
[08:10:08] <juggs> s/is/it/
[08:09:43] <juggs> JamesNZ, so substitute vodka or w/e in there. sleep is underrated, do whatever is takes to get more of it :D
[08:07:11] <JamesNZ> juggs: Heh, I don't :P I just don't like warm milk that much.
[08:05:03] <juggs> sorry JamesNZ didn't know you had a dairy allergy.
[08:03:21] <juggs> aka - chuck us some development funding so we can suckle on that subsidised tariff goodness
[08:02:56] * JamesNZ gags, retreats back under his rock
[08:01:50] * juggs gives jamesNZ some warm milk
[08:01:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Breakthrough in Solar Panel Manufacture Promises Cheap Energy Within a Decade - http://sylnt.us - haven't-we-heard-this-before?
[08:01:03] * JamesNZ looks up sleepily
[07:58:29] <juggs> then argle bargle right back at you :P
[07:57:50] <Subsentient> juggs: no
[07:57:47] <Subsentient> oops
[07:57:44] <Subsentient> JamesNZ: No.
[07:57:29] <juggs> you got a public key Subsentient ?
[07:52:41] <Subsentient> gjm,yjrgtrhtjyukil9765rd
[07:52:38] <Subsentient> cgdbxastgdtjopijugfrdghjk
[07:52:36] <Subsentient> fhjtgbrfdhnrfjtfg
[07:52:34] <Subsentient> uyyfdchjkyhr
[07:52:32] <Subsentient> jmhm8uyjkiyk67u67u678j67u]
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[06:35:59] <juggs> probably explains why i am an utter wreck now. You can't mate incompatible specie. :D
[06:33:33] <swiss> ah
[06:33:27] <swiss> 21:26:19 < juggs> I was referencing your "only one concerned with you being sexist" comment. I've spent the last decade or so acting as a kind of babel fish between
[06:30:50] <juggs> ah?
[06:27:47] <swiss> ah
[06:27:24] <juggs> swiss, if it works, why change it. I was just curious why it works
[06:26:20] <juggs> ly careful how I phrase things to avoid tirades of PC stasi types looking for a reason to be offended, not so much in the "tech" sphere but not absent either.
[06:26:20] <juggs> I was referencing your "only one concerned with you being sexist" comment. I've spent the last decade or so acting as a kind of babel fish between "tech" and "business" spheres in big corp land trying to pacify and neutralise the incessant pointing games that come about through poor communication, or simply not understanding (sometimes wantonly) what the "other" sphere does or contributes to the whole. In the business sphere I find I have to be real
[06:15:33] <swiss> therefore, it must be infalliable
[06:15:29] <swiss> and I learned it from my grandmother
[06:15:25] <swiss> this canning method has been around much longer than coporate management land
[06:14:59] <juggs> swiss, too much time in big corporate manglement land. Have to be sensitive to every possible interpretation of what what one may utter, even if it's the naked truth. Perhaps I am over cautious.
[06:13:57] <chromas> 'bout time
[06:13:39] <swiss> these jars now have that same thing
[06:13:34] <swiss> you know how jars in the store have that "Seal will pop when opened" thing?
[06:13:23] <swiss> that's why i can do the non-boiling canning method
[06:12:58] <juggs> swiss, who is dictating this "supposed" routine? How long do you intend to store this stuff? There's so much sugar in jam that nearly nothing noxious will live in it.
[06:12:40] <swiss> juggs: you seem to be the only one concerned with you being sexist
[06:11:05] <juggs> chromas, it also can;t be sexist as I am expressing a preference within a single gender set. If anything I guess it would be sizeist which should induce paroxysms of "it's not what's on the outside that matters" rage or some such.
[06:10:49] <chromas> I wonder if he was popular spherical cow
[06:09:51] <chromas> M'either, though just the other day I saw a huge guy on a lawn mower—he looked like a ball
[06:08:46] <juggs> chromas, I have yet to come across a male with GG man-boobs.
[06:08:40] <swiss> to give it one last sterilization and seal
[06:08:27] <swiss> i'm supposed to put them under boiling water in a canning pot
[06:08:17] <swiss> juggs: technically, i'm not supposed to even do it this way
[06:07:40] <juggs> swiss - ahh that makes sense, couldn't you just screw the top on tighter? Although those poorly engineered threads on jar and lid probably wouldn't stand the additional lateral loading once things cooled down and they could jump a turn. This seems worthy of some scientific experimentation!
[06:05:20] <chromas> It's not sexist because you didn't specify gender :D
[06:04:37] <juggs> chromas, in my experience a jug is an open topped vessel for fluids. as for your other interpretation, I'm busted as my personal preference is for top heavy (waits for the "oh that's so sexist flames").
[06:02:39] <swiss> so the weight of the jar seals it better until the inside pressure holds the seal down
[06:02:23] <swiss> it's a rubber gasket
[06:02:09] <swiss> juggs: they are flat there
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[05:57:52] <chromas> or other types of juggs—double-Gs
[05:57:26] <chromas> Your name suggests you have experience with sealed containers, though
[05:56:12] <juggs> I have been accused of over-thinking things from time to time... who'd have thought..
[05:54:53] <juggs> ssue and you'd end up with more seal failures later when you store the jars right way up and the gasket desiccates, presuming you store them right way up :D
[05:54:53] <juggs> ahh ok - perspective makes them look much flatter in the pan pic (I find it easier just to chuck all the jars and lids in the oven). I still don't understand what the upside-down thing achieves. If you are using a gasket (band) then it either seals or doesn't when you screw the lids down - unless you are using some fibrous gasket that potentially could benefit by absorbing some moisture from the jar contents. But logically that would just mask the i
[05:52:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Harpooning in Space - http://sylnt.us - saw-this-in-a-film-one-time
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[05:45:45] <swiss> it's that piece then a band that goes on top of them
[05:45:36] <swiss> well
[05:45:31] <swiss> that's what mine are
[05:44:42] <juggs> swiss, I don't know enough about fluid dynamics to understand why that would result in a higher percentage of successful sealings. But then, from your pics those lids look like something akin to that found on a paint tin (lever off). The little bit off pickling / preserving I've ever done has always been with screw on lids with compliant seals.
[05:39:19] <SpallsHurgenson> air is going on the list, right next to avacado
[05:38:08] * SpallsHurgenson shakes a fist, "DAMN YOU, ATMOSPHERE! Stop sneaking into our preserves!"
[05:37:00] <swiss> it means more air won't seep in as the jars cool and the air/jam inside shrinks
[05:36:18] <monopoly> └ 03Flipping the Jar Over to Seal the Jar Method | Reluctant Entertainer
[05:36:17] <swiss> juggs: http://reluctantentertainer.com
[05:36:07] <juggs> sadly I am no longer trusted with them (for reasons I am forbidden to mention)
[05:36:03] <swiss> juggs: sealing
[05:35:29] <SpallsHurgenson> you forgot the automatic laser defense turrets :)
[05:35:01] <juggs> next you'll be telling me it's atop a 100 metre (~328ft) pole strewn with razor wire and IEACDs (improvised explosive anti critter devices) every other metre.
[05:33:34] <SpallsHurgenson> frankly, if they can get to it, they are welcome to it :)
[05:31:27] <SpallsHurgenson> it's never been a problem. My "natural fridge" is a bit... out of the way for the critters :)
[05:30:05] <juggs> lucky you. too temperate for that here. don't the local wildlife have away with it?
[05:28:54] <SpallsHurgenson> in winter, I can just stash the stuff outside for instant freeze :)
[05:28:38] <SpallsHurgenson> largely because I only know how to cook up huge pots of the stuff, and my fridge is too small to hold it all
[05:28:29] <juggs> :D
[05:28:26] <juggs> is that a religious thing?
[05:28:02] <SpallsHurgenson> I can only make chili in winter
[05:27:00] <juggs> each to their own. I rather like their suspiciously slimey consistency - particularly when pulverised to mush with copius quantities of garlic and chili. Although I suspect it is just yet another excuse to get my chili head on.
[05:25:04] <SpallsHurgenson> (I don't like avacado, if you can't tell :)
[05:24:44] <SpallsHurgenson> avacados are evil incarnate, the heralds of a new dark age, and vegetable death-balls. They should be destroyed, not savored!
[05:19:54] <juggs> why do you put the jars upside down once filled?
[05:16:30] <swiss> yeah
[05:16:05] <juggs> that seemingly large amount of strawberries in the crate reduces down to surprisingly little by the time it's in the pan
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[05:09:54] <swiss> avocados are for sushi
[05:09:42] <juggs> I spy avacados... now is guacamole time - heavy on the garlic :D
[05:08:39] <swiss> i am master of the hulls
[05:08:15] <swiss> yes
[05:08:11] <juggs> are you the "hulling master"?
[05:06:53] <monopoly> └ 03 White Chocolate Strawberry Jam - Imgur
[05:06:52] <swiss> http://imgur.com my afternoon
[05:06:18] <juggs> who stole it?
[04:53:02] <SpallsHurgenson> I so want my old chair back
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[03:45:04] <SpallsHurgenson> have a pleasant evening, Blackmoore
[03:44:24] <Blackmoore> g'night folks.
[03:44:18] <Blackmoore> I think it's time to go impress a few people into following me ..
[03:43:43] <Blackmoore> excelent..
[03:41:41] <juggs> indeed it does, as do actual acts of violence :D
[03:35:04] <SpallsHurgenson> does threats of violence count as "pressure"?
[03:31:02] <juggs> or... if you pressure your peers to do likewise
[03:30:59] <mattie_p> I have friends now? Awesome, glad to hear it
[03:30:32] <SpallsHurgenson> only if it is because your friends told you to
[03:28:53] <mattie_p> I stopped recommending facebook like years ago, does that count?
[03:22:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Social Pressure Stops Facebook Users From Recommending Products - http://sylnt.us - peer-pressure
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[03:14:01] <Blackmoore> once upon a time i was sitting in a brand new comfortable office chair.. but that time is long past..
[03:07:51] * SpallsHurgenson seeks out a more powerful butt-cushion
[03:00:50] * SpallsHurgenson goes outside and steals a slightly more comfortable lawn chair
[03:00:22] <Blackmoore> Spalls, I've been in the same uncomfortable chair since 12 hours ago..
[02:56:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> believe some tv and beer are in order
[02:55:11] * SpallsHurgenson is sitting on a very uncomfortable chair
[02:52:11] juggs|afk is now known as juggs
[02:48:16] <monopoly> └ 03Screen Junkies - YouTube: In a world full of movies and television, only one channel is keeping them honest every Tuesday and Thursday - SCREEN JUNKIES! Home of the epic Honest Traile... ( http://www.youtube.com )
[02:48:15] <monopoly> └ 03Honest Trailers - The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey - YouTube: Keeping movies honest ►http://bit.ly/HonestTrailerSub Strap in for The Hobbit, the only movie trilogy that takes longer to watch than to read. We'll be uploa...
[02:48:14] <Blackmoore> https://www.youtube.com
[02:46:17] <SpallsHurgenson> There And BAck Again: A Soylent's Tale
[02:45:25] <Blackmoore> o.O well then..
[02:44:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> was less than pleasant but at least i found out my allergies quit about 90 miles east of here.
[02:42:33] <Blackmoore> sounds like the drive i had last sunday.
[02:42:28] <SpallsHurgenson> I've never driven 300 miles east
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[02:41:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> bout um... 300 miles east then back
[02:36:03] <SpallsHurgenson> where'd ya go, TMB?
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[02:33:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> that was a long and unenjoyable trip
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[02:24:49] <Blackmoore> cya crutchy
[02:24:13] <crutchy> cyas
[02:24:01] <crutchy> damn rl getting in the way sometimes :-P
[02:23:51] <crutchy> damn i gtg. will have to save my tinkering till later :-/
[02:20:57] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[02:19:48] * NCommander has on two occassions downed two red bulls back to back, then went to sleep an hour later for 12 hours :-/
[02:19:00] <NCommander> Doesn't do shit for me
[02:18:57] <NCommander> :-/
[02:18:55] <NCommander> crutchy, I have an immunity to caffiene
[02:17:17] <Blackmoore> yeah.
[02:17:14] <Blackmoore> *snort*
[02:16:00] <crutchy> Blackmoore: drop your guts a few times and he/she'll tell you to go :-P
[02:14:47] <crutchy> NCommander: drink more coffee. it will make you sleepy. trust me. >:-D
[02:14:23] <Blackmoore> I'm expecting 11pm est
[02:14:14] <Blackmoore> I'm stuck in the office till my boss tells me to go.
[02:13:57] <Blackmoore> NCommander: go take a nap.
[02:11:13] <kobach> :p
[02:11:10] <kobach> because you have yet to sleep
[02:11:01] <NCommander> wy the fuck am I still awake
[02:05:29] <crutchy> chewy :-P
[02:05:24] <kobach> lol
[02:05:13] <kobach> hows the wallaby soup
[02:05:03] <crutchy> hi kobach
[02:04:52] <kobach> SUP CRUTCHY
[02:02:33] <exec> wiki edit=Success, oldrevid=7739, newrevid=7744
[02:02:28] <crutchy> ~wiki edit Sandbox|new section|some text blah jiggy jiggy blah blah doorsnoker
[02:02:24] <exec> wiki: login=Success, username=Exec (userid=1546)
[02:02:20] <crutchy> ~wiki login
[02:02:08] <exec> wiki: not logged in
[02:02:06] <crutchy> ~wiki edit Sandbox|new section|some text blah jiggy jiggy blah blah doorsnoker
[01:51:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Smallest Force Ever Measured - http://sylnt.us - powerful-things-in-small-packages
[01:49:25] <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <crutchy> err also helps to have mrs palmer and her 5 daughters
[01:49:25] <crutchy> SedBot: s/hand/mrs palmer and her 5 daughters/
[01:49:06] <chromas> hey that worked
[01:48:49] <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <crutchy> err also helps to have hand
[01:48:49] <chromas> SedBot: s/a (.*)/hand/
[01:48:02] <SedBot> <crutchy> err also helps to have a female partner
[01:48:02] <crutchy> s/pa/female pa/
[01:47:49] <crutchy> err also helps to have a partner
[01:47:26] <crutchy> ups and downs together with repetition can be a good thing :-P
[01:46:24] <chromas> but not fedex
[01:44:03] <crutchy> and downs?
[01:31:14] * chromas needs a ups again
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[01:26:46] <crutchy> aww :-P
[01:26:33] <crutchy> /nick patrolKnob|2
[01:26:29] <monopoly> lightning causing confusion I guess
[01:26:03] <crutchy> g'day Blackmoore
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[01:25:50] <Blackmoore> g'day crutchy
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[01:25:33] <crutchy> lol patrolknob?
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[01:25:10] <crutchy> mornin
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[01:09:47] <Blackmoore> do Photons have Mass?
[01:09:24] <Blackmoore> if you attempt to move MASS at the speed of light, the "mass" of the object will increase untill you need an impossible force to get it up to light speed.
[01:08:29] <Blackmoore> ok, lets hava a thought experiment here.
[00:30:56] <kobach> ^
[00:30:34] <Blackmoore> and that's when we started measuring the kessel run in parsecs.
[00:29:42] <kobach> lol
[00:21:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Speed of Light may be Slower than Previously Thought - http://sylnt.us - this-story-arriving-slightly-later-than-expected