#Soylent | Logs for 2014-06-28

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[00:21:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Speed of Light may be Slower than Previously Thought - http://sylnt.us - this-story-arriving-slightly-later-than-expected
[00:29:42] <kobach> lol
[00:30:34] <Blackmoore> and that's when we started measuring the kessel run in parsecs.
[00:30:56] <kobach> ^
[01:08:29] <Blackmoore> ok, lets hava a thought experiment here.
[01:09:24] <Blackmoore> if you attempt to move MASS at the speed of light, the "mass" of the object will increase untill you need an impossible force to get it up to light speed.
[01:09:47] <Blackmoore> do Photons have Mass?
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[01:25:10] <crutchy> mornin
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[01:25:33] <crutchy> lol patrolknob?
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[01:25:50] <Blackmoore> g'day crutchy
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[01:26:03] <crutchy> g'day Blackmoore
[01:26:29] <monopoly> lightning causing confusion I guess
[01:26:33] <crutchy> /nick patrolKnob|2
[01:26:46] <crutchy> aww :-P
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[01:31:14] * chromas needs a ups again
[01:44:03] <crutchy> and downs?
[01:46:24] <chromas> but not fedex
[01:47:26] <crutchy> ups and downs together with repetition can be a good thing :-P
[01:47:49] <crutchy> err also helps to have a partner
[01:48:02] <crutchy> s/pa/female pa/
[01:48:02] <SedBot> <crutchy> err also helps to have a female partner
[01:48:49] <chromas> SedBot: s/a (.*)/hand/
[01:48:49] <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <crutchy> err also helps to have hand
[01:49:06] <chromas> hey that worked
[01:49:25] <crutchy> SedBot: s/hand/mrs palmer and her 5 daughters/
[01:49:25] <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <crutchy> err also helps to have mrs palmer and her 5 daughters
[01:51:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Smallest Force Ever Measured - http://sylnt.us - powerful-things-in-small-packages
[02:02:06] <crutchy> ~wiki edit Sandbox|new section|some text blah jiggy jiggy blah blah doorsnoker
[02:02:08] <exec> wiki: not logged in
[02:02:20] <crutchy> ~wiki login
[02:02:24] <exec> wiki: login=Success, username=Exec (userid=1546)
[02:02:28] <crutchy> ~wiki edit Sandbox|new section|some text blah jiggy jiggy blah blah doorsnoker
[02:02:33] <exec> wiki edit=Success, oldrevid=7739, newrevid=7744
[02:04:52] <kobach> SUP CRUTCHY
[02:05:03] <crutchy> hi kobach
[02:05:13] <kobach> hows the wallaby soup
[02:05:24] <kobach> lol
[02:05:29] <crutchy> chewy :-P
[02:11:01] <NCommander> wy the fuck am I still awake
[02:11:10] <kobach> because you have yet to sleep
[02:11:13] <kobach> :p
[02:13:57] <Blackmoore> NCommander: go take a nap.
[02:14:14] <Blackmoore> I'm stuck in the office till my boss tells me to go.
[02:14:23] <Blackmoore> I'm expecting 11pm est
[02:14:47] <crutchy> NCommander: drink more coffee. it will make you sleepy. trust me. >:-D
[02:16:00] <crutchy> Blackmoore: drop your guts a few times and he/she'll tell you to go :-P
[02:17:14] <Blackmoore> *snort*
[02:17:17] <Blackmoore> yeah.
[02:18:55] <NCommander> crutchy, I have an immunity to caffiene
[02:18:57] <NCommander> :-/
[02:19:00] <NCommander> Doesn't do shit for me
[02:19:48] * NCommander has on two occassions downed two red bulls back to back, then went to sleep an hour later for 12 hours :-/
[02:20:57] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[02:23:51] <crutchy> damn i gtg. will have to save my tinkering till later :-/
[02:24:01] <crutchy> damn rl getting in the way sometimes :-P
[02:24:13] <crutchy> cyas
[02:24:49] <Blackmoore> cya crutchy
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[02:33:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> that was a long and unenjoyable trip
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[02:36:03] <SpallsHurgenson> where'd ya go, TMB?
[02:41:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> bout um... 300 miles east then back
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[02:42:28] <SpallsHurgenson> I've never driven 300 miles east
[02:42:33] <Blackmoore> sounds like the drive i had last sunday.
[02:44:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> was less than pleasant but at least i found out my allergies quit about 90 miles east of here.
[02:45:25] <Blackmoore> o.O well then..
[02:46:17] <SpallsHurgenson> There And BAck Again: A Soylent's Tale
[02:48:14] <Blackmoore> https://www.youtube.com
[02:48:15] <monopoly> └ 03Honest Trailers - The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey - YouTube: Keeping movies honest ►http://bit.ly/HonestTrailerSub Strap in for The Hobbit, the only movie trilogy that takes longer to watch than to read. We'll be uploa...
[02:48:16] <monopoly> └ 03Screen Junkies - YouTube: In a world full of movies and television, only one channel is keeping them honest every Tuesday and Thursday - SCREEN JUNKIES! Home of the epic Honest Traile... ( http://www.youtube.com )
[02:52:11] juggs|afk is now known as juggs
[02:55:11] * SpallsHurgenson is sitting on a very uncomfortable chair
[02:56:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> believe some tv and beer are in order
[03:00:22] <Blackmoore> Spalls, I've been in the same uncomfortable chair since 12 hours ago..
[03:00:50] * SpallsHurgenson goes outside and steals a slightly more comfortable lawn chair
[03:07:51] * SpallsHurgenson seeks out a more powerful butt-cushion
[03:14:01] <Blackmoore> once upon a time i was sitting in a brand new comfortable office chair.. but that time is long past..
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[03:22:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Social Pressure Stops Facebook Users From Recommending Products - http://sylnt.us - peer-pressure
[03:28:53] <mattie_p> I stopped recommending facebook like years ago, does that count?
[03:30:32] <SpallsHurgenson> only if it is because your friends told you to
[03:30:59] <mattie_p> I have friends now? Awesome, glad to hear it
[03:31:02] <juggs> or... if you pressure your peers to do likewise
[03:35:04] <SpallsHurgenson> does threats of violence count as "pressure"?
[03:41:41] <juggs> indeed it does, as do actual acts of violence :D
[03:43:43] <Blackmoore> excelent..
[03:44:18] <Blackmoore> I think it's time to go impress a few people into following me ..
[03:44:24] <Blackmoore> g'night folks.
[03:45:04] <SpallsHurgenson> have a pleasant evening, Blackmoore
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[04:53:02] <SpallsHurgenson> I so want my old chair back
[05:06:18] <juggs> who stole it?
[05:06:52] <swiss> http://imgur.com my afternoon
[05:06:53] <monopoly> └ 03 White Chocolate Strawberry Jam - Imgur
[05:08:11] <juggs> are you the "hulling master"?
[05:08:15] <swiss> yes
[05:08:39] <swiss> i am master of the hulls
[05:09:42] <juggs> I spy avacados... now is guacamole time - heavy on the garlic :D
[05:09:54] <swiss> avocados are for sushi
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[05:16:05] <juggs> that seemingly large amount of strawberries in the crate reduces down to surprisingly little by the time it's in the pan
[05:16:30] <swiss> yeah
[05:19:54] <juggs> why do you put the jars upside down once filled?
[05:24:44] <SpallsHurgenson> avacados are evil incarnate, the heralds of a new dark age, and vegetable death-balls. They should be destroyed, not savored!
[05:25:04] <SpallsHurgenson> (I don't like avacado, if you can't tell :)
[05:27:00] <juggs> each to their own. I rather like their suspiciously slimey consistency - particularly when pulverised to mush with copius quantities of garlic and chili. Although I suspect it is just yet another excuse to get my chili head on.
[05:28:02] <SpallsHurgenson> I can only make chili in winter
[05:28:26] <juggs> is that a religious thing?
[05:28:29] <juggs> :D
[05:28:38] <SpallsHurgenson> largely because I only know how to cook up huge pots of the stuff, and my fridge is too small to hold it all
[05:28:54] <SpallsHurgenson> in winter, I can just stash the stuff outside for instant freeze :)
[05:30:05] <juggs> lucky you. too temperate for that here. don't the local wildlife have away with it?
[05:31:27] <SpallsHurgenson> it's never been a problem. My "natural fridge" is a bit... out of the way for the critters :)
[05:33:34] <SpallsHurgenson> frankly, if they can get to it, they are welcome to it :)
[05:35:01] <juggs> next you'll be telling me it's atop a 100 metre (~328ft) pole strewn with razor wire and IEACDs (improvised explosive anti critter devices) every other metre.
[05:35:29] <SpallsHurgenson> you forgot the automatic laser defense turrets :)
[05:36:03] <swiss> juggs: sealing
[05:36:07] <juggs> sadly I am no longer trusted with them (for reasons I am forbidden to mention)
[05:36:17] <swiss> juggs: http://reluctantentertainer.com
[05:36:18] <monopoly> └ 03Flipping the Jar Over to Seal the Jar Method | Reluctant Entertainer
[05:37:00] <swiss> it means more air won't seep in as the jars cool and the air/jam inside shrinks
[05:38:08] * SpallsHurgenson shakes a fist, "DAMN YOU, ATMOSPHERE! Stop sneaking into our preserves!"
[05:39:19] <SpallsHurgenson> air is going on the list, right next to avacado
[05:44:42] <juggs> swiss, I don't know enough about fluid dynamics to understand why that would result in a higher percentage of successful sealings. But then, from your pics those lids look like something akin to that found on a paint tin (lever off). The little bit off pickling / preserving I've ever done has always been with screw on lids with compliant seals.
[05:45:31] <swiss> that's what mine are
[05:45:36] <swiss> well
[05:45:45] <swiss> it's that piece then a band that goes on top of them
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[05:52:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Harpooning in Space - http://sylnt.us - saw-this-in-a-film-one-time
[05:54:53] <juggs> ahh ok - perspective makes them look much flatter in the pan pic (I find it easier just to chuck all the jars and lids in the oven). I still don't understand what the upside-down thing achieves. If you are using a gasket (band) then it either seals or doesn't when you screw the lids down - unless you are using some fibrous gasket that potentially could benefit by absorbing some moisture from the jar contents. But logically that would just mask the i
[05:54:53] <juggs> ssue and you'd end up with more seal failures later when you store the jars right way up and the gasket desiccates, presuming you store them right way up :D
[05:56:12] <juggs> I have been accused of over-thinking things from time to time... who'd have thought..
[05:57:26] <chromas> Your name suggests you have experience with sealed containers, though
[05:57:52] <chromas> or other types of juggs—double-Gs
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[06:02:09] <swiss> juggs: they are flat there
[06:02:23] <swiss> it's a rubber gasket
[06:02:39] <swiss> so the weight of the jar seals it better until the inside pressure holds the seal down
[06:04:37] <juggs> chromas, in my experience a jug is an open topped vessel for fluids. as for your other interpretation, I'm busted as my personal preference is for top heavy (waits for the "oh that's so sexist flames").
[06:05:20] <chromas> It's not sexist because you didn't specify gender :D
[06:07:40] <juggs> swiss - ahh that makes sense, couldn't you just screw the top on tighter? Although those poorly engineered threads on jar and lid probably wouldn't stand the additional lateral loading once things cooled down and they could jump a turn. This seems worthy of some scientific experimentation!
[06:08:17] <swiss> juggs: technically, i'm not supposed to even do it this way
[06:08:27] <swiss> i'm supposed to put them under boiling water in a canning pot
[06:08:40] <swiss> to give it one last sterilization and seal
[06:08:46] <juggs> chromas, I have yet to come across a male with GG man-boobs.
[06:09:51] <chromas> M'either, though just the other day I saw a huge guy on a lawn mower—he looked like a ball
[06:10:49] <chromas> I wonder if he was popular spherical cow
[06:11:05] <juggs> chromas, it also can;t be sexist as I am expressing a preference within a single gender set. If anything I guess it would be sizeist which should induce paroxysms of "it's not what's on the outside that matters" rage or some such.
[06:12:40] <swiss> juggs: you seem to be the only one concerned with you being sexist
[06:12:58] <juggs> swiss, who is dictating this "supposed" routine? How long do you intend to store this stuff? There's so much sugar in jam that nearly nothing noxious will live in it.
[06:13:23] <swiss> that's why i can do the non-boiling canning method
[06:13:34] <swiss> you know how jars in the store have that "Seal will pop when opened" thing?
[06:13:39] <swiss> these jars now have that same thing
[06:13:57] <chromas> 'bout time
[06:14:59] <juggs> swiss, too much time in big corporate manglement land. Have to be sensitive to every possible interpretation of what what one may utter, even if it's the naked truth. Perhaps I am over cautious.
[06:15:25] <swiss> this canning method has been around much longer than coporate management land
[06:15:29] <swiss> and I learned it from my grandmother
[06:15:33] <swiss> therefore, it must be infalliable
[06:26:20] <juggs> I was referencing your "only one concerned with you being sexist" comment. I've spent the last decade or so acting as a kind of babel fish between "tech" and "business" spheres in big corp land trying to pacify and neutralise the incessant pointing games that come about through poor communication, or simply not understanding (sometimes wantonly) what the "other" sphere does or contributes to the whole. In the business sphere I find I have to be real
[06:26:20] <juggs> ly careful how I phrase things to avoid tirades of PC stasi types looking for a reason to be offended, not so much in the "tech" sphere but not absent either.
[06:27:24] <juggs> swiss, if it works, why change it. I was just curious why it works
[06:27:47] <swiss> ah
[06:30:50] <juggs> ah?
[06:33:27] <swiss> 21:26:19 < juggs> I was referencing your "only one concerned with you being sexist" comment. I've spent the last decade or so acting as a kind of babel fish between
[06:33:33] <swiss> ah
[06:35:59] <juggs> probably explains why i am an utter wreck now. You can't mate incompatible specie. :D
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[07:52:32] <Subsentient> jmhm8uyjkiyk67u67u678j67u]
[07:52:34] <Subsentient> uyyfdchjkyhr
[07:52:36] <Subsentient> fhjtgbrfdhnrfjtfg
[07:52:38] <Subsentient> cgdbxastgdtjopijugfrdghjk
[07:52:41] <Subsentient> gjm,yjrgtrhtjyukil9765rd
[07:57:29] <juggs> you got a public key Subsentient ?
[07:57:44] <Subsentient> JamesNZ: No.
[07:57:47] <Subsentient> oops
[07:57:50] <Subsentient> juggs: no
[07:58:29] <juggs> then argle bargle right back at you :P
[08:01:03] * JamesNZ looks up sleepily
[08:01:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Breakthrough in Solar Panel Manufacture Promises Cheap Energy Within a Decade - http://sylnt.us - haven't-we-heard-this-before?
[08:01:50] * juggs gives jamesNZ some warm milk
[08:02:56] * JamesNZ gags, retreats back under his rock
[08:03:21] <juggs> aka - chuck us some development funding so we can suckle on that subsidised tariff goodness
[08:05:03] <juggs> sorry JamesNZ didn't know you had a dairy allergy.
[08:07:11] <JamesNZ> juggs: Heh, I don't :P I just don't like warm milk that much.
[08:09:43] <juggs> JamesNZ, so substitute vodka or w/e in there. sleep is underrated, do whatever is takes to get more of it :D
[08:10:08] <juggs> s/is/it/
[08:10:08] <SedBot> <juggs> so substitute vodka or w/e in there. sleep it underrated, do whatever is takes to get more of it :D
[08:10:45] <juggs> meh regex is overrated
[08:13:38] <JamesNZ> I despise regex but they're far too useful to ignore -_-
[08:17:58] <juggs> the utility is without doubt.
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[08:44:36] <Subsentient> JamesNZ: I love regex but they're far too complex to learn.
[08:45:14] <swiss> regex is not complex
[08:45:22] <swiss> it is the only thing that makes sense of this crazy mixed up world
[08:45:36] <JamesNZ> Subsentient: Yeah.
[08:45:47] <JamesNZ> swiss: I digress :P
[08:46:10] <swiss> there are complex options, but the majority or regex isn't
[08:46:24] <swiss> once you start getting into reverse searches it can get bad
[08:46:33] <swiss> what was that regex game site...
[08:46:44] <swiss> http://regex.alf.nu
[08:46:45] <monopoly> └ 03 Regex Golf ( http://regex.alf.nu )
[08:47:38] <JamesNZ> That looks handy.
[08:48:38] <swiss> it's a game
[08:49:35] <JamesNZ> I know, I meant it looks handy for learning.
[08:50:31] <swiss> ah
[09:27:32] <swiss> http://www.buzzfeed.com
[09:27:33] <monopoly> └ 03Page Not Found: BuzzFeed has the hottest, most social content on the web. We feature breaking buzz and the kinds of things you'd want to pass along to your friends.
[09:30:11] <chromas> Oops
[09:31:26] <swiss> 10/10
[09:33:14] <chromas> "discussed the lack of openly gay CEOs in large companies."
[09:33:21] <chromas> s/./ since Steve died./
[09:33:21] <SedBot> <chromas> since Steve died.discussed the lack of openly gay CEOs in large companies."
[09:33:22] <monopoly> └ 03Index of ( http://localhost )
[09:33:22] <monopoly> └ 03Index of ( http://localhost )
[09:33:22] <monopoly> └ 03Index of ( http://localhost )
[09:33:30] <chromas> :(
[10:09:28] <chromas> debugging++
[10:09:28] <Bender> karma - debugging: 1
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[10:13:04] <JamesNZ> bugs--
[10:13:04] <Bender> karma - bugs: 0
[10:13:18] <chromas> hah
[10:13:25] <chromas> somebody likes 'em
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[10:17:10] <chromas> seems to work now
[10:17:44] <chromas> could still use testing I guess but it shouldn't barf too much on sed strings
[10:18:03] <chromas> plus it does this: http://sylnt.us
[10:18:05] <monopoly> └ 04SN article: 03Breakthrough in Solar Panel Manufacture Promises Cheap Energy Within a Decade 04(5 comments): ( http://soylentnews.org )
[10:21:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - First Exoskeleton Gets FDA Approval For U.S. Sales - http://sylnt.us - waiting-for-gray-fox-edition
[10:21:28] <monopoly> └ 03Index of ( http://localhost )
[10:21:28] <monopoly> └ 04SN article: 03First Exoskeleton Gets FDA Approval For U.S. Sales 04(0 comments): A motorized exoskeleton, designed to help paralyzed people walk again, just earned U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval. It is the first such device to d... ( http://soylentnews.org )
[10:23:23] <chromas> :(
[10:30:35] <JamesNZ> bugs--
[10:30:35] <Bender> karma - bugs: -1
[10:30:38] <JamesNZ> :P
[10:33:41] <chromas> u.s.
[10:33:49] <arti> moo
[10:33:52] <chromas> fixing++
[10:33:52] <Bender> karma - fixing: 1
[10:34:09] <chromas> or fixed++
[10:34:16] <chromas> I think it's ~moo now
[10:34:18] <chromas> ~moo
[10:34:19] <exec> (__)
[10:34:19] <exec> (oo)
[10:34:20] <exec> /------\/
[10:34:20] <exec> / | ||
[10:34:20] <exec> * /\---/\
[10:34:21] <exec> ~~ ~~
[10:34:21] <exec> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[10:34:22] <monopoly> └ 03400 Bad Request
[10:34:42] <chromas> maybe it should require an http://
[10:38:58] * Konomi needs to find a better linux audio editing program
[10:39:07] <chromas> There aren't any
[10:39:14] <chromas> Video, too
[10:39:29] <Konomi> there are some good video ones
[10:39:36] <Konomi> blender iirc and kdenlive or whatever it is
[10:39:44] <Konomi> but auduacity is kinda giving me the shits
[10:39:50] <Konomi> that and it isn't threaded
[10:39:55] <chromas> Blender is awkward for video
[10:40:05] <Konomi> mostly the threading
[10:40:06] <chromas> Time t fork
[10:40:22] <Konomi> and audacity seems to poll every alsa device on my system it takes ages to start
[10:40:25] <chromas> Isn't audaicty abandoned?
[10:40:42] <chromas> I remember there was a version 3 on the way, with a beta or something; that was years ago
[10:41:04] <chromas> Maybe it's achieving Enlightenment...dr17
[10:41:13] <Konomi> https://code.google.com
[10:41:14] <monopoly> └ 03Changes - audacity - Audacity: Free, Cross-Platform Audio Editor and Recorder - Google Project Hosting
[10:41:16] <Konomi> doesn't look like it
[10:41:37] <Konomi> r13240
[10:41:38] <Konomi> Remove more of the old distinctions about Unicode versions as we're all Unicode now. Today (6 hours ago)
[10:41:41] <arti> chromas, perhaps they're writing it in perl 6
[10:41:58] <Konomi> they do take forever to do stable releases though
[10:42:13] <Konomi> their snv is very active though
[10:42:30] <Konomi> you'll have to forgive my poor typing I'm sick >.<
[10:42:52] <arti> i get sick of typing too
[10:43:03] <chromas> aw
[10:43:12] <chromas> Looks like the 3 stuff disappered
[10:43:50] <Konomi> I don't get sick of tpying ;p
[10:43:57] <Konomi> I do get sick of being sick though
[10:44:12] <arti> but dat mouth breathing
[10:44:33] <chromas> You need to take yourself out of the loop; automate the sickness
[10:44:57] * Konomi is just going to replace her annoying human form with a robot eventually
[10:45:54] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[10:45:55] <monopoly> └ 03Metal Legs - YouTube: Metal Legs
[10:46:00] <chromas> make sure your consciousness s transfered and not copied
[10:46:35] <chromas> it's weird that he's on Bones or something now
[10:49:20] <crutchy> tpying++
[10:49:20] <Bender> karma - tpying: 1
[10:49:30] <arti> g'day
[10:49:35] <crutchy> hi
[10:49:41] <crutchy> :-)
[10:49:53] <arti> hello crutchy
[10:50:02] <arti> is the force with you?
[10:50:38] <chromas> nsfw: https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net
[10:51:19] <Konomi> >.>
[10:51:22] <arti> the symbol featured on the lower left really ties it together
[10:51:28] * crutchy offers arti some nacos
[10:51:40] <arti> chromas, are you able to vouch for this device?
[10:51:48] <crutchy> s/nacos/nachos/
[10:51:48] <SedBot> <crutchy> offers arti some nachos
[10:51:55] <arti> mmm nachos
[10:51:59] <chromas> dangeroussinzones++
[10:51:59] <Bender> karma - dangeroussinzones: 1
[10:52:01] <arti> i'll trade you steak for it
[10:52:14] <crutchy> ooh hell yeah
[10:52:26] <crutchy> steak++
[10:52:26] <Bender> karma - steak: 1
[10:52:37] <arti> meat_manipulation_3.ogg
[10:57:18] <ar> coffee--
[10:57:18] <Bender> karma - coffee: 304
[10:57:50] <arti> manapua++
[10:57:50] <Bender> karma - manapua: 1
[10:59:14] <ar> DESY, anyone?
[10:59:44] <crutchy> ~define DESY
[10:59:58] <exec> DESY: unable to find definition
[11:00:03] <arti> what is that
[11:00:06] <ar> Deutsches Elektronen-Synchrotron
[11:00:22] <arti> was habt ihr?
[11:00:22] <ar> there's a conference there right now, http://ehsm.eu
[11:00:25] <monopoly> └ 03EHSM-2014 / June 27-29 / Hamburg
[11:00:38] <arti> nifty
[11:00:53] <crutchy> is that the cult of magnet worshipers?
[11:01:04] <ar> no, not really
[11:01:18] * crutchy worships magnets
[11:01:39] <arti> magnets, how do they work?
[11:02:45] <crutchy> who really knows
[11:03:00] <crutchy> those electrons just keep doin their thing
[11:03:38] <crutchy> kinda makes the whole 'energy can neither be created nor destroyed' seem a bit dumb
[11:04:01] <crutchy> or ambiguous at least
[11:04:13] <arti> just set the property to immutable
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[11:27:01] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox
[11:33:41] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[11:33:52] <exec> wiki: edit=section not found
[11:35:20] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[11:35:33] <exec> wiki: edit=section not found
[11:37:27] <NCommander> Morning world
[11:37:38] <arti> good morning NCommander
[11:37:42] <arti> how are you feeling?
[11:37:46] <NCommander> arti, eh
[11:38:03] <arti> better than meh!
[11:38:22] <arti> want a little hooch in the coffee?
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[11:49:32] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
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[11:49:48] <exec> wiki: edit=section not found
[11:50:41] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[11:50:50] <exec> wiki: edit=section not found
[11:51:22] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[11:51:26] <exec> wiki: edit=section not found
[11:52:14] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[11:52:19] <exec> wiki: edit=section not found
[11:52:26] <crutchy> grr
[11:53:34] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[11:53:38] <exec> wiki: edit=section not found
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[11:58:05] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[11:58:08] <exec> wiki: edit=section not found
[11:58:41] <crutchy> ~time dc
[11:59:03] <exec> [Google] 5:58am Saturday (EDT) - Time in Washington, DC, USA
[11:59:15] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[11:59:20] <exec> wiki: edit=section not found
[12:00:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Algorithm Simplifies the Categorization of Large Amount of Data - http://sylnt.us - /dev/null-grouping
[12:00:42] <monopoly> └ 04SN article: 03New Algorithm Simplifies the Categorization of Large Amount of Data 04(0 comments): class="byline"> lhsi writes: A new algorithm has been published that simplifies grouping data sets together according to their similarity, sometimes referred to as Cl... ( http://soylentnews.org )
[12:01:31] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[12:01:53] <exec> process timed out: get Sandbox|new section
[12:03:17] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[12:05:22] <crutchy> hmm need a strip_comments lib function
[12:08:08] <chromas> Where does it get the data to paste into the wiki?
[12:09:22] <crutchy> its just typed here
[12:09:48] <crutchy> ~wiki edt
[12:09:54] <crutchy> ~wiki edit
[12:10:20] <crutchy> ~wiki edit
[12:10:21] <exec> syntax: ~wiki title|section|text
[12:11:26] <chromas> ~wiki Sandbox|x|test
[12:11:34] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[12:11:35] <chromas> oh I probably need privs
[12:12:04] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[12:13:24] <crutchy> think i'm almost there
[12:13:29] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[12:14:11] <exec> process timed out: get Sandbox|new section
[12:14:26] <crutchy> wow my internet sucks atm :-/
[12:14:31] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[12:15:56] * NCommander fiddles more w/ slashcode
[12:18:48] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[12:19:07] <exec> new section[edit]
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[12:21:59] <crutchy> sorry about the spam
[12:22:55] <NCommander> I despise perl
[12:24:04] <Popeidol> time to rewrite slash in Cobol
[12:27:29] <crutchy> ada
[12:27:34] <crutchy> ~wiki get Sandbox|new section
[12:27:45] <exec> some text blah jiggy jiggy blah blah doorsnoker
[12:27:58] <crutchy> yay!
[12:28:38] <crutchy> ~wiki edit Sandbox|new section|some next text stuff
[12:28:43] <exec> wiki: edit=error getting edittoken
[12:28:58] <crutchy> ~wiki edit Sandbox|new section|some next text stuff
[12:29:06] <exec> wiki: edit=error getting edittoken
[12:29:11] <crutchy> feck
[12:39:44] <chromas> Triviabot's missing
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[12:44:56] <crutchy> hi prospectacle
[12:44:57] <prospectacle> hey hey
[12:45:02] <prospectacle> what's up?
[12:45:07] <crutchy> wiki script is working
[12:45:20] <prospectacle> nice one
[12:45:27] <crutchy> can add, edit and delete page sections
[12:45:37] <crutchy> and output section content
[12:45:51] <prospectacle> that was fast
[12:45:56] <crutchy> just need to tweak a feed script to use it now
[12:47:38] <crutchy> https://github.com
[12:47:40] <monopoly> └ 03test/scripts/wiki.php at master · crutchy-/test · GitHub: Contribute to test development by creating an account on GitHub.
[12:47:45] <crutchy> if you're curious
[12:48:29] <prospectacle> hmm, how should that work? probably don't want to include story summary, as that will discourage people from writing their own summary. Maybe just the headline and a link?
[12:48:52] <crutchy> yeah. similar to regurgitator in #rss-bot
[12:49:32] <crutchy> there's a script that sorta does that already here https://github.com
[12:49:33] <monopoly> └ 03test/scripts/feeds.php at master · crutchy-/test · GitHub: Contribute to test development by creating an account on GitHub.
[12:50:10] <crutchy> just need to tweak it to send internal trigger messages to the wiki script
[12:51:14] <prospectacle> looks good
[12:53:18] <prospectacle> so where does it output the results now? to irc?
[12:53:26] <crutchy> oh and gotta get the feed sources from http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[12:53:27] <monopoly> └ 04Wiki: 03Rss sources: http://feeds.arstechnica.com http://rss.slashdot.org
[12:53:29] <crutchy> yeah
[12:53:51] <crutchy> on a timer alias
[12:54:40] <prospectacle> so maybe the global code in feeds.php could be broken down to something like "$stories = get_rss_from_feeds($feeds)" and "get_feeds_from_file($file)" or "get_feeds_from_wiki($page)"
[12:54:42] <crutchy> i'll see if i can make it output reliably to a channel, and then if it works ok there i'll add output to the Sandbox article
[12:55:25] <crutchy> sounds like a good idea. i'll start working on the get_feeds_from_wiki function
[12:55:42] <prospectacle> then something like "send_stories_to_irc($stories)" and "send_stories_to_wiki_page($page, $section, $overwrite=false)"
[12:56:07] <prospectacle> looks like most of the code is written already, just needs a small reorganisation
[12:56:35] <crutchy> i think so
[12:56:46] <crutchy> fingers crossed
[12:59:00] <prospectacle> the block that starts here, for example: "for ($i=0;$i<count($feed_list);$i++)" would be 99% of the get_rss_from_feeds()
[13:00:06] <prospectacle> btw, not a big deal here but using "count" in a for loop is slow if the array is big (it counts every time through the loop). For arrays that might be large, and will stay the same size throughout the loop, always do the count before hand, and assign it to some variable
[13:00:28] <crutchy> nod nod
[13:01:47] <crutchy> there's prolly loads of places in all my scripts that could be improved like that
[13:01:55] <crutchy> and other things
[13:03:57] <prospectacle> if the performance is good anyway then it doesn't really matter. It's only if it's likely to grow such that it becomes a problem, then it's easier to do things the fast way early on, so you don't have to think about them later.
[13:05:08] <prospectacle> anyway, your code quite clean and readable which is more than I can say for a lot of mine.
[13:07:38] <crutchy> thanks prospectacle. i generally try to write readable code rather than go nuts with comments trying to explain things that may or may not actually happen (comments are great, but only if the code actually does what the comment says)
[13:10:05] <Popeidol> I mostly comment just to remind me wtf I was trying to do originally
[13:10:10] <prospectacle> yeah true. I think comments can be relied upon at the expense of code readability. On the other hand the reverse is true. Sometimes the best code in the world won't explain what two lines of comments at the start of the function will explain
[13:10:20] <prospectacle> popeidol, yes, that too
[13:10:40] <prospectacle> the worst is having to use code from people who don't comment, and do things like if ($x=1) $bb = 7
[13:13:56] * Konomi pouts
[13:14:07] <prospectacle> which i have experienced in the past
[13:14:18] <Konomi> does anyone have any clue how channel maps work for ogg files?
[13:14:34] <prospectacle> for (kk = 0; kk < x; kk++) if (kk > 7) val=1
[13:14:40] * Konomi imported 5.1 but each track is mono and simply labeled with an index number -.-
[13:14:45] <Konomi> have no way to tell which is which grrr
[13:15:12] <prospectacle> what did you use for importing?
[13:16:23] <Konomi> audacity please don't mock me ;p
[13:16:32] <Konomi> I think mediainfo found me a channel map anyway
[13:16:36] <prospectacle> whatever works
[13:16:42] <Konomi> Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
[13:16:51] <Konomi> whihc looking at the waveforms seems accurate
[13:17:10] <Konomi> but I have like 0 idea on how to down mix this to stereo grr
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[13:17:14] <crutchy> kiddywinks are in bed
[13:17:45] <Konomi> merg L R with SL SR is obvious
[13:17:53] <Konomi> I guess duplicate C and LFE and merge with L and R
[13:18:10] * Konomi googles
[13:18:14] <crutchy> LFE++
[13:18:14] <Bender> karma - lfe: 1
[13:18:25] <crutchy> fooly sick with the subwoofer
[13:18:29] <prospectacle> Instead of importing then down-mixing can you just transcode with e.g. vlc? let it make the decisions. Or am I way off what you're trying to do?
[13:18:49] <crutchy> she's trying to transmit a coded message to the borg
[13:19:04] <prospectacle> well that's easy, the borg absorb all messages from all sources
[13:19:14] <prospectacle> Just face the speaker upwards
[13:19:27] <crutchy> the fooly sick one works best :-P
[13:19:48] <prospectacle> always
[13:21:01] <crutchy> my wife registered with steam before i did :-/
[13:21:19] * crutchy isn't big into games so its ok
[13:22:05] <crutchy> she bought a game from eb games today and it connects to steam somehow
[13:22:40] <crutchy> steam++
[13:22:40] <Bender> karma - steam: 1
[13:22:48] <crutchy> boilers++
[13:22:48] <Bender> karma - boilers: 1
[13:23:03] <prospectacle> kettles++
[13:23:03] <Bender> karma - kettles: 1
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[13:25:28] <prospectacle> mr sentient, how goes it?
[13:29:45] <Konomi> https://trac.ffmpeg.org
[13:29:49] <monopoly> └ 03 AudioChannelManipulation – FFmpeg
[13:29:52] * Konomi hugs ffmpeg until it explodes
[13:31:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Unable to Protect its User's Privacy from Manhattan's District Attorney - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:33:25] <prospectacle> bender: s/from manhattan's district attorney//
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[13:33:42] <prospectacle> oh i did it wrong
[13:35:24] <chromas> Bender: s/Manhattan/Chebyshev/
[13:35:24] <SedBot> <chromas> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Unable to Protect its User's Privacy from Chebyshev's District Attorney - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:35:27] <monopoly> └ 04SN article: 03Facebook Unable to Protect its User's Privacy from Manhattan's District Attorney 04(1 comments): class="byline"> AnonTechie writes: A dispute between Facebook and Manhattan's district attorney ( http://www.nytimes.com ( http://soylentnews.org )
[13:36:13] <prospectacle> Bender: s/from Manhattan's District Attorney/ /
[13:36:13] <SedBot> <prospectacle> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Unable to Protect its User's Privacy - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:36:15] <monopoly> └ 04SN article: 03Facebook Unable to Protect its User's Privacy from Manhattan's District Attorney 04(1 comments): class="byline"> AnonTechie writes: A dispute between Facebook and Manhattan's district attorney ( http://www.nytimes.com ( http://soylentnews.org )
[13:36:21] <prospectacle> there we go
[13:37:34] <chromas> SedBot: s/User's //
[13:37:34] <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Unable to Protect its Privacy - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:39:18] <crutchy> SedBot: s/cy/te Parts/
[13:39:18] <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Unable to Protect its Private Parts - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:39:29] <prospectacle> SedBot: s/Protect its / /
[13:39:29] <SedBot> <prospectacle> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Unable to Private Parts - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:39:56] <crutchy> SedBot: s/Unable to/Has No/
[13:39:56] <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Has No Private Parts - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:40:25] <prospectacle> SedBot: s/Has No /owns the rights to your /
[13:40:25] <SedBot> <prospectacle> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook owns the rights to your Private Parts - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:40:43] <prospectacle> should have read the eula
[13:41:02] <crutchy> SedBot: s/owns the rights to/Plays With/
[13:41:02] <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Plays With your Private Parts - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:41:17] <chromas> SedBot: s/(<*>)//
[13:41:17] <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <crutchy <SedBot> <prospectacle> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Plays With your Private Parts - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:41:21] <chromas> aw
[13:41:32] <chromas> SedBot: s/.(<*>)//
[13:41:32] <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <chroma <SedBot> <crutchy <SedBot> <prospectacle> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <prospectacle> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Plays With your Private Parts - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:41:37] <crutchy> SedBot: s/(<.*>)//
[13:41:37] <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Plays With your Private Parts - http://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do--damned-if-you-don't
[13:41:48] <chromas> good work
[13:41:57] <chromas> too bad there's no channel I can #test it in
[13:42:53] <chromas> FoobarBazbot, I'm lookin' at you
[13:43:02] <crutchy> i'll set up exec sed to work in #test
[13:43:15] <chromas> does it regex? :D
[13:43:15] <prospectacle> chromas: s/test/dance/
[13:43:16] <crutchy> but it doesn't do regex anyway :-/
[13:43:22] <prospectacle> oh
[13:44:00] <chromas> SedBot: watches files or pipes or whatever ii makes, so I imagine there's a SedBot for each channel and that one died
[13:44:00] * SedBot is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[13:44:23] <crutchy> maybe its #test pipe ran out of choof
[13:44:31] <chromas> ~define choof
[13:44:37] <chromas> faster, faster!
[13:44:44] <exec> [urbandictionary] 3choof: Australian slang for the act of smoking cannabis sativa or indica through a bong. One who overindulges is known as a choofmonster.
[13:44:46] <chromas> *whipcrack!*
[13:44:47] <crutchy> exec is shaped too
[13:44:53] <crutchy> :-(
[13:45:07] <chromas> oh yeah it's that time of the month
[13:45:21] <chromas> I wonder if you could add compression
[13:45:36] <chromas> That should save 6 or 7 bytes
[13:47:01] <crutchy> ~join #~
[13:47:55] <prospectacle> choofmonster I've never heard that
[13:48:56] <crutchy> yeah same here
[13:49:06] <crutchy> ~reload
[13:49:08] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file
[13:49:21] <crutchy> ~feed
[13:51:26] <prospectacle> i propose a reverse turing test
[13:51:44] <prospectacle> all the humans have to pretend they're robots, and make consistent, logical responses
[13:51:50] <exec> process timed out:
[13:52:07] <prospectacle> the judges have to guess who is secretly a human
[13:52:16] <chromas> exec is obviously human
[13:52:52] <prospectacle> any human who can pass this test gets to become president of the world
[13:53:45] <crutchy> does "world" refer to a cupcake?
[13:53:47] <prospectacle> because no politician so far has this skill, and it could be a real advantage if they did
[13:54:02] <crutchy> if so i'm in :-D
[13:54:59] <prospectacle> well we can test: what did you do today crutchybot?
[13:55:33] <crutchy> i ated a bacon and eggs on sourdough for lunch *yummm*
[13:56:22] <crutchy> error: bacon_and_eggs caused in exceptionally large dump
[13:56:36] <prospectacle> human!
[13:56:49] <prospectacle> you expressed an opinion when asked for a fact
[13:57:09] <crutchy> does that mean i get the cupcake?
[13:57:16] <crutchy> i mean world thingy
[13:57:19] <prospectacle> yes of course, all entrants get a cupcake
[13:57:23] <prospectacle> but you can't be president of the world
[13:57:32] <prospectacle> today
[13:57:40] <crutchy> aww but i wanted the presidential cupcake... with sprinkles :-D
[13:58:10] <prospectacle> what about freckles dug into the icing? that's as far as I can go
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[13:59:43] <crutchy> feeds script is *very* slow with shaped connection
[14:00:01] <prospectacle> which connection is shaped?
[14:00:03] <crutchy> might just muck around with one or two sources
[14:00:06] <crutchy> mine
[14:00:31] <crutchy> (and by association exec's)
[14:00:37] <prospectacle> too many movies?
[14:01:05] <crutchy> the fault tree leads to marriage being the cause
[14:01:10] <crutchy> or being male
[14:01:14] <prospectacle> lol
[14:01:19] <prospectacle> always a danger
[14:02:06] <crutchy> ~feed
[14:02:09] <prospectacle> sometimes you can get more gigabytes just by asking, esp. if you know there's a better deal for the same price elsewhere
[14:02:50] <crutchy> aussie broadband is pretty good here. not sure i could get a much better deal
[14:03:09] <crutchy> ooh feeds seems to be working
[14:03:14] <prospectacle> sweet
[14:03:27] <crutchy> ~feed
[14:05:10] <crutchy> hmm exec not outputting its own privmsgs to the terminal :-/
[14:07:31] <crutchy> ah
[14:07:45] <crutchy> its not outputting its own raw msgs to terminal
[14:08:09] <crutchy> feeds script constructs its own privmsg rather than calling the internal command
[14:10:23] <crutchy> ~buckets-list
[14:10:25] <exec> bucket list output to terminal
[14:10:25] <exec> bucket count: 3
[14:13:10] <prospectacle> oh no vin diesel has found a clue. I predict a car chase at some point
[14:13:20] <crutchy> ~bucket <<PAST_FEEDS>> unset
[14:13:22] <exec> unset bucket
[14:14:03] <crutchy> what's on?
[14:14:08] <prospectacle> fast and furious
[14:14:19] <crutchy> channel?
[14:14:29] <prospectacle> 7
[14:15:13] <prospectacle> it's pretty boring though, I'm just trying to decide what to put on instead
[14:16:11] <crutchy> its on 7mate here
[14:16:19] <crutchy> damn afl
[14:17:22] <prospectacle> weird. here the afl is on seven mate
[14:17:29] <crutchy> lol
[14:17:49] <crutchy> must be a regional thing
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[14:19:13] <crutchy> ~feed
[14:19:19] <prospectacle> ooh die hard with a vengeance
[14:19:55] <crutchy> oh cool yeah that's better
[14:20:28] <prospectacle> "You don't like me cause you're a racist". "What?!" "you don't like me because I'm white". "I don't like you because you're gonna get me killed"
[14:21:11] <crutchy> ooh we got 2012 on here
[14:21:26] <crutchy> on win gippsland
[14:21:28] <prospectacle> is that one good?
[14:22:17] <crutchy> it doesn't have baysplosions, but not too bad
[14:22:19] <crutchy> http://www.imdb.com
[14:22:20] <monopoly> └ 032012 (2009) - IMDb: Directed by Roland Emmerich. With John Cusack, Thandie Newton, Chiwetel Ejiofor, Amanda Peet. A frustrated writer struggles to keep his family alive when a series of ...
[14:22:40] <crutchy> prolly full of ads :-/
[14:23:33] <prospectacle> speaking of chiwetel ejiofor, i recently found this program called "shadow line" which is really good.
[14:23:38] <chromas> Series of what?!! I need to know!
[14:23:44] <prospectacle> A gangaster is killed and the gang investigates who did it, also the cops investigate.
[14:23:55] <crutchy> chromas... tubes
[14:24:22] <chromas> Aha!
[14:24:35] <prospectacle> lol
[14:25:59] <chromas> "gangbanger dies; cops investigate". Doesn't sound realistic
[14:26:25] <prospectacle> no he's a high level drug smuggler, recently pardoned under mysterious circumstances
[14:32:18] <crutchy> prospectacle: s/stances/cision/
[14:32:18] <SedBot> <crutchy> <prospectacle> no he's a high level drug smuggler, recently pardoned under mysterious circumcision
[14:32:31] <crutchy> ~restart
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[14:32:34] <prospectacle> that's what I meant
[14:33:16] <prospectacle> does anyone here have a "you can't work for a competitor for x months after you quit" clause in their contract?
[14:55:18] <crutchy> prospectacle: it's fairly typical
[14:55:23] <crutchy> usually 12 months
[14:55:28] <crutchy> i had one
[14:56:13] <crutchy> in many cases restraint of trade isn't enforceable anyway
[14:56:18] <crutchy> its more of a scare tactic
[14:56:26] <prospectacle> yeah I'm wondering what's a reasonable duration
[14:56:53] <prospectacle> I mean maybe you find a job easily elsewhere but maybe the market is tight and competitors are offering you a job. I think 12 months seems like a lot
[14:56:57] <crutchy> maybe if you're a ceo or the manager of an R&D department the clause might stick
[14:57:09] <crutchy> i wouldn't worry about it
[14:58:02] <prospectacle> well it's probably fine, but i think it's better to have a good contract than to hope the bad parts don't end up applying
[14:58:03] <crutchy> even if your previous employer *could* convince a court to enforce the clause, they would have to pursue it at more expense than its worth for most people
[14:58:34] <prospectacle> only if I was willing to fight it, which would be expensive
[14:58:38] <crutchy> its only really applicable for really high value high profile positions
[14:59:59] <crutchy> even if they found out they probably still wouldn't bother pursuing it. if they were real bastards they might send a nasty letter at most
[15:00:18] <crutchy> any more than that would require them spending money
[15:01:16] <prospectacle> true. so if they think the money is more than they'd make/save by keeping your knowledge away from their competitor, then your'e sweet. Otherwise...
[15:05:34] <prospectacle> I hate signing stuff. Oh well that's our custom
[15:08:37] <crutchy> you can change contract clauses
[15:09:08] <crutchy> many employers expect it. depends on how much they value you or you value them
[15:09:48] <prospectacle> yeah I'm hoping I've got a bit of weight. Don't want to overplay my hand, but to be honest I could do with a holiday
[15:09:56] <crutchy> employments contracts are hard. i guess that's how unions came about
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[15:10:18] <crutchy> unions can be a negative influence somethimes though too
[15:10:22] <prospectacle> yes, big organisations with lawyers and experience can out-negotiate individuals 8 times out of 10. Hence unions
[15:10:42] <prospectacle> no doubt they can, as can any big organisation if it becomes corrupt, overly bureaucratic, etc
[15:13:56] <prospectacle> I'd rather work for a co-op where the workers are the shareholders. Hard to find one thought
[15:14:03] <prospectacle> though
[15:14:32] <prospectacle> maybe sn is hiring
[15:14:36] <prospectacle> j/k
[15:21:21] <crutchy> sn isn't immune from bureaucracy
[15:22:00] <crutchy> but i guess there is plenty to do for those that know how
[15:22:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - More Solar Cell Progress... and Lasers! - http://sylnt.us - need-more-power-but-keep-your-remaining-good-eye-closed
[15:22:27] <crutchy> i'm just a lowly troll
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[15:25:41] <prospectacle> if solar power and batteries ever become sufficiently efficient, the world will look very different
[15:25:51] <prospectacle> think of all the oil and pipeline wars we have now
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[15:26:23] <prospectacle> maybe in our lifetimes
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[15:54:09] <crutchy> hi Bytram
[15:54:19] <Bytram> crutchy: gday!
[15:56:35] * Bytram is trying to play a piece of online music and would rather NOT install flash, thankyouverymuch :/
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[16:04:05] <crutchy> Bytram: youtube works without flash
[16:04:11] <crutchy> ~feed
[16:04:42] <Bytram> crutchy: yeah, but I'm trying to access something that is somewhere else
[16:08:23] <crutchy> Bytram: got the wiki script working
[16:08:38] <crutchy> trying to hook up the feeds script to it now
[16:08:53] <Bytram> yay! Ummm, what does it do?
[16:09:10] <Bytram> https://soundcloud.com
[16:09:14] <monopoly> └ 03I Got You by AmyAllenMusic on SoundCloud - Hear the world’s sounds: Hi! this is Amy Allen and I’m a singer/songwriter from South Portland, Maine. My parents bought me my first guitar when I was nine years old and I ... ( http://soundcloud.com )
[16:10:06] <crutchy> i think the intention is to create a section in a wiki page with a feed link to enable editors and contributors to develop article summaries for submission
[16:10:34] <crutchy> when a submission is made the section is deleted (by the submitter)
[16:10:54] <crutchy> or if a section doesn't look worthy it can be deleted to
[16:11:32] <crutchy> might make it so that if a section isn't touched in a couple of days it is auto-deleted (so as not no clog up the page too much)
[16:11:48] <Bytram> hrmmmm... just be VERY careful about what you're deleting!! there's a big difference between "rm -fr ./" and "rm -fr . /"
[16:11:58] <Bytram> =)
[16:12:14] <crutchy> also prolly just a limited number of feeds which can be refined on another wiki page
[16:12:21] <crutchy> nod nod
[16:12:34] <crutchy> might leave out deleting to begin with till the nitty gritty is worked out
[16:14:11] * Bytram dons QA hat
[16:14:15] * Bytram wonders how much disk space we've got on the wiki machine, as well as the performance impact
[16:14:21] * Bytram doffs QA hat
[16:15:23] <Bytram> afk
[16:16:29] <crutchy> page usage wouldn't be so much a problem. disk space usage might be just the edit logs from the bot adding the section and various people editing
[16:20:55] <Bytram> nod nod
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[16:25:22] <crutchy> ~reload
[16:25:23] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file
[16:25:35] <crutchy> ~feed-wiki
[16:26:57] <crutchy> ~reload
[16:26:59] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file
[16:27:02] <crutchy> ~feed-wiki
[16:27:03] <exec> alias "~feed-wiki" requires additional trailing argument
[16:27:23] <crutchy> dammit. stupid.. programmer
[16:27:48] <crutchy> ~reload
[16:27:49] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file
[16:27:52] <crutchy> ~feed-wiki
[16:27:57] <exec> wiki: login=Success, username=Exec (userid=1546)
[16:28:16] <exec> wiki: successfully logged out
[16:29:44] <crutchy> gotta clear out the feed history :-/
[16:29:55] <crutchy> ~buckets-flush
[16:29:56] <exec> buckets flushed
[16:30:10] <crutchy> ~feed-wiki
[16:30:15] <exec> wiki: login=Success, username=Exec (userid=1546)
[16:31:05] <exec> wiki: successfully logged out
[16:32:37] <NCommander> hey folks
[16:32:48] <Bytram> NCommander: g'day
[16:33:03] <NCommander> Bytram, do you use newsgroups by any chance?
[16:33:27] <Bytram> not in a while, but have been active in the past... what's up?
[16:33:49] <NCommander> Bytram, I'm experimenting with the possibility of a NNTP gateway for SN
[16:34:38] <Bytram> hmmm, IIRC, one of the site members has been working on an interface with NNTP... has a web site: squte.com or .org, not sure
[16:35:16] <Bytram> squte.com - user is tdk; see: http://soylentnews.org
[16:35:18] <monopoly> └ 04SN article: 03Journal 04(ID comments): Leaving JS on will make some pages easier to use, e.g. loading comments in the background. The bot defences have had to be reworked, so you may see more captchas than...
[16:38:48] <Bytram> afk brb
[16:38:55] <NCommander> Bytram, that's NNTP -> web, this is somewhat tricker
[16:43:56] <Bytram> NCommander: are you looking to *just* send things out to NNTP or are you looking for a bi-directional interface?
[16:44:30] <NCommander> Bytram, bidirectional, though I'm starting with just the former
[16:44:43] * Bytram has given up and started to download flash player just so he can get to *one* song.
[16:45:00] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:45:24] <Bytram> beware of race conditions and of circular posting/reading/posting
[16:46:20] <NCommander> Bytram, ?
[16:46:21] <Bytram> NCommander: ^^^
[16:46:29] * NCommander notes his potential design won't have that issue
[16:46:39] <NCommander> I'm modifying slash to work as a UUCP/news site
[16:46:44] <NCommander> THe protocol is stupid simple (flat files)
[16:46:47] <Bytram> hmmm, thinking
[16:46:52] <NCommander> Which then feeds into INN
[16:47:20] <Bytram> circular: you see a comment on slash; send it to news; see it on news; post it to slash; see it on slash... :/
[16:47:53] <NCommander> Bytram, shouldn't be a problem; INN has suport for handling that + we can track it in the database to prevent the files from getting too big
[16:47:54] <NCommander> From: martyb
[16:47:54] <NCommander> Newsgroups: soylentnews.general
[16:47:54] <NCommander> Subject: UTF-8 testing after dev update with TheMightyBuzzard's fixes
[16:47:55] <NCommander> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 09:46:00 +0000
[16:47:55] <NCommander> w00t
[16:48:03] <NCommander> THe header writers out properly
[16:48:34] <NCommander> Path: lithium!carbon
[16:48:35] <NCommander> From: NCommander
[16:48:35] <NCommander> Newsgroups: soylentnews.general
[16:48:35] <NCommander> Subject: Blob test
[16:48:36] <NCommander> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 09:24:00 +0000
[16:48:36] <NCommander> Message-ID:
[16:48:38] <NCommander> +----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
[16:48:39] <NCommander> | Blob test |
[16:48:46] <Bytram> ummm, thinking.
[16:50:16] <Bytram> for some reason, I'm not liking the idea of what I post here ALSO getting *automatically* shipped out to usenet... if I *wanted* it on usenet, *I* would have posted it there, myself.
[16:51:56] <Bytram> I'd feel a *bit* better if there was a user-preference to toggle whether or not my comments/journals/etc. got automagially cloned to usenet.
[16:51:57] <NCommander> Bytram, well, not USENET directly
[16:52:07] <NCommander> Just a NNTP server, we don't need to seed it into USENET itself
[16:52:16] <Bytram> but there'd still be the issue of someone else quoting what I wrote and auto-posting that.
[16:52:31] <Bytram> NCommander: hmmm, lost me on that one.
[16:52:40] <NCommander> Bytram, NNTP != USENET
[16:52:50] <NCommander> You can have independent sites which don't send articles to the rest of USENET
[16:53:22] <Bytram> ok. USENET *uses* NNTP, is that right?
[16:55:01] <NCommander> yes and no
[16:55:02] <NCommander> one sec
[16:55:06] <Bytram> lol
[16:56:36] <NCommander> Bytram, USENET is a logical network made. The best way to think of it as multicast email
[16:56:48] <NCommander> NNTP is just one way to send and receive messages from USENET
[16:57:17] <NCommander> UUCP is another; back in the old days, the only way to access USENET was via spool files on a harddrive. NNTP is a relatively recent invention as far as USENET goes
[16:57:18] <Bytram> ok. now that I think about it, didn't they use UUCP at one time, too?
[16:57:22] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:57:34] <NCommander> Bytram, right, so a common format was designed to convey news between sites
[16:57:41] <Bytram> ok
[16:57:46] <NCommander> Its partially obsolete, since NNTP does the job better
[16:57:55] <NCommander> But NNTP is a suprisingly complicated protocol
[16:58:27] <NCommander> NNTP is just a way to access messages on a shard server, its not directly related to USENET
[16:58:44] <NCommander> For instance, Microsoft used to have a private news server at news.microsoft.net with their own groups
[16:59:15] <NCommander> SourceForge did as well (not any more), as GMANE acts as an email -> NNTP exchange
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[17:00:08] <NCommander> paulej72, heads up, the current UTF-8 fixes hose the daily email
[17:00:15] * NCommander is hooking into that code, and I get crap like this in the feed:
[17:00:25] <NCommander> 1. Euro Symbol: \x{20ac}.
[17:00:25] <NCommander> 2. Greek: \x{039c}\x{03c0}\x{03bf}\x{03c1}\x{03ce} \x{03bd}\x{03b1} \x{03c6}\x{03ac}\x{03c9} \x{03c3}\x{03$
[17:00:25] <NCommander> 3. \x{00cd}slenska / Icelandic: \x{00c9}g get eti\x{00f0} gler \x{00e1}n \x{00fe}ess a\x{00f0} mei\x{00f0}$
[17:01:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - If Immigration Reform is Dead, So is Raising the H-1B Cap - http://sylnt.us
[17:02:12] <NCommander> w00t, that's progress
[17:02:23] * NCommander needs to fix up the feed file a bit, then write the rnews header
[17:04:53] <Bytram> NCommander: UTF-8 fixes... that's still *only* on dev.soylentnews.org -- right?
[17:05:21] <NCommander> Bytram, yeah, and a bunch of other bug fixes
[17:05:59] <Bytram> nod nod; just wanted to be sure that they were NOT yet out on production
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[19:38:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 305
[19:45:25] <NCommander> WOOOOOOO
[19:45:26] <NCommander> success
[19:45:32] * NCommander managed to import the article spool into INN
[19:45:37] <mrcoolbp> yay?
[20:01:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hormones Might Affect Voting Behavior - http://sylnt.us - correlation-does-not-imply-causation
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