#Soylent | Logs for 2014-06-26

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[01:01:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Open Source Revolution is Coming and it Will Conquer the 1% - http://sylnt.us - revolt-if-they'll-let-you
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[01:27:33] <SpallsHurgenson> f**K penicillin, screw the moon launches; air conditioning is the greatest technological advance humanity has ever created.
[01:29:59] <chromas> Did you find out what the smoke was?
[01:30:34] <SpallsHurgenson> my neighbor forgot to turn his grill off and it sort of kinda caught fire
[01:31:17] <chromas> oops
[01:32:33] <SpallsHurgenson> apparently the fire itself wasn't that bad (ruined the grill, but nothing else) but lots of smoke and the fire department got involved
[01:33:13] <SpallsHurgenson> I'd make fun of 'im... except that kinda sorta happened to me a year or two back (minus getting the fire-department involved) so I'm sympathetic :)
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[01:34:09] <chromas> whoa, that's about the second time ever, _NSAKEY
[01:37:50] <_NSAKEY> chromas: My host had a hard drive failure.
[01:38:00] <_NSAKEY> RIP 620+ day uptime.
[01:38:07] <chromas> :(
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[02:04:53] <SpallsHurgenson> don't think of it as the end of a 620 day uptime, think of it as the beginning of a 621 day uptime :)
[02:08:21] <SpallsHurgenson> just watch out on March 7, 2016 :)
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[02:21:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 'Hover Car' System to Be Implemented in Tel Aviv - http://sylnt.us - one-step-closer-to-the-jetsons
[02:21:30] * SpallsHurgenson feels the curry work its strange and terrible magic on his lower intestines
[02:22:13] <arti> :|
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[03:03:53] <testenopoly> Now in glorious extra 1c2o3l4o5r
[03:04:13] testenopoly is now known as monopoly
[03:04:58] <SpallsHurgenson> yay?
[03:06:16] <chromas> You asked for it
[03:06:19] <chromas> :D
[03:09:02] <chromas> For example: http://soylentnews.org
[03:09:03] <monopoly> 04SN article: 03'Hover Car' System to Be Implemented in Tel Aviv 04(5 comments): he BBC reports on a pilot project called SkyTran, a kind of two person monorail. Two-person vehicles will be suspended from elevated magnetic tracks, as an alternati...
[03:09:24] <chromas> It even chops off the first character after I thought I fixed it
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[03:13:16] <paulej72> chromas: Off by one error?
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[03:13:46] <chromas> It's more that the scanning function is terrible
[03:14:21] <chromas> It looks for certain things (including the <!--template> comments and then jumps x characters ahead)
[03:14:41] <chromas> in this case, 2, I guess
[03:16:11] <chromas> Now for food. Thanks to SpallsHurgenson, I think I'm going to do curry chicken
[03:20:47] <SpallsHurgenson> I am not a curry chicken!
[03:23:00] <chromas> That's good, because I wasn't planning on doing you
[03:24:05] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean, I used to be... but I got better
[03:24:31] * chromas puts his fork away
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[03:45:36] <paulej72> Lkjhgfdsamnbvcxzpoiuytrewq
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[03:48:11] <paulej72> ,.,,...,.,,,..,,.,,,.,,.,,..,.,,,,.,,.,,..,,..,,,,.,,..,,,.,.,,,,,.,.,,,..,
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[03:50:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Rootkits Target 64-bit PCs - Secure Boot Is Not Always Secure - http://sylnt.us - bad-news
[03:52:09] <paulej72> Zasxcdfvbghnmjklp
[03:52:31] <paulej72> Zaqwsxcderfvbgtyhnmjuik,.lop
[03:53:25] <juggs> o.O
[03:53:44] <paulej72> ,,.,,
[03:53:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> same to you
[03:54:12] <paulej72> lol
[03:54:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> breaking in a new keyboard?
[03:55:17] <paulej72> I am on my iPad and having fun spamming the board
[03:55:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> good good. it prolly deserves it.
[03:56:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> hey, if we're gonna roll utf8 out to dev this week, tomorrow would be good cause i'm likely out friday and the weekend.
[03:56:57] <paulej72> No one was talking so I tried to start a conversation with someone.
[03:57:27] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: Probably could do that.
[03:57:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> manage anything? i don't check the boards on account of i forgot where they were.
[03:59:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> found one extra change needs made to the vhost.conf but it's minor n already in the documentation if you accidentally look in the right place
[03:59:23] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: These are the boards. We killied the old ones due to disuse
[03:59:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh
[04:01:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ah well, time to wrangle my cats in for the night and booze n book.
[04:01:42] <paulej72> Good luck
[04:11:15] <SpallsHurgenson> I've always enjoyed a good cat wrangling
[04:22:32] * SpallsHurgenson feels something fuzzy rub past his legs and realizes it's wranglin' time here too!
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[04:35:21] <Ethanol-fueled> suck my dick, motherfuckers.
[04:36:06] <Konomi> do you provide the microscope or should I bring my own?
[04:36:35] * juggs hands Konomi the tweezers
[04:38:16] <Konomi> if we had a space craft I could drill a 1mm hole in the side of the hull and use Ethanol-fueled to block it
[04:38:24] <Konomi> that qualifies as sucking right?
[04:40:56] <juggs> that is quite a disturbing mental image
[04:40:57] <Ethanol-fueled> Suck my dick, you cocksuckers,. \
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[04:44:38] <Konomi> I was about to say this version is broke
[04:44:50] <Konomi> think we should upgraded to Ethanol-fueled 3.0
[04:45:00] <Konomi> I heard one of the new features is "Interesting"
[04:46:52] <juggs> Blimey, that would be an outstanding upgrade
[04:47:14] <Konomi> 4.0 gets parental controls
[04:47:31] <Konomi> helps the maturity function work better
[04:48:14] <juggs> Does it become renamed Evian-fueled at that point?
[04:49:28] <Konomi> hehe
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[05:18:27] * juggs is trapped in a wikipedia dungeon of interconnecting pages HELP ME!!
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[05:25:41] <SpallsHurgenson> I need to learn Korean or something so I can finally get decent internet...
[05:26:34] <chromas> juggs, this will help: http://tvtropes.org
[05:26:35] <monopoly> 03Wiki/Wikipedia - Television Tropes &amp; Idioms 
[05:31:04] <juggs> As much asI've no idea why or how, but I ended up reading articles about various TV and radio masts around the world.
[05:31:09] <juggs> eh?
[05:47:05] <arti> good ol wikipedia
[05:47:25] <arti> i like tangents like that
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[05:48:20] <juggs> I finally escaped by firing up mudlet and jumping on the soy mud instead. That's got to be a much better use of time right :D
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[06:40:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Wikipedia Editors Sued for Defamation - http://sylnt.us - citation-needed
[07:02:24] <chromas> The lawsuit was deleted due to lack of notability
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[07:23:24] <juggs> I think we need to work on article titles to specify jurisdiction and possibly court level. i.e. Wikipedia Editors Sued for Defamation becomes Wikipedia Editors Sued for Defamation - US 1st Circuit or Wikipedia Editors Sued for Defamation - Appeal - Supreme Court Rules
[07:25:18] <juggs> This constant drip of news as a particular case traverses the various courts is not really helpful. It's only really news when it gets definitively judged (Supreme) or re-legislated.
[07:42:19] <swiss> juggs: what's your opinion of iris scanning?
[07:42:26] <swiss> i had a large debate at work about it
[07:50:48] <juggs> I'm not familiar with how accurate it is, so I can't contribute or attest on that metric. If we assume it is 100% accurate (or thereabouts) then the debate becomes a discussion akin to DNA sampling - i.e. how is it secured, who has access to it, for what purpose, how long is it retained, how often is it updated, how can a subject request information about what iris information is held about them by a particular institution. I think it pretty much sh
[07:50:48] <juggs> ould come under the umbrella of Data Protection regs in most civilised nations - not that I am particularly enamoured of the various national bodies in place to enforce those.
[07:51:34] <swiss> my issue with it is also the necessary remediation if it is compromised
[07:51:38] <swiss> can't issue you a new eyeball
[07:52:13] <swiss> if the data taken from you was a random segment being scanned, and then hashed prior to storage, would it bother you as much?
[07:55:09] <juggs> Yes. It's unnecessary security theatre that makes nothing any more secure, dreamt up by chair monkeys who watch too many mission impossible and bourne series movies.
[07:56:57] <swiss> it's actually more of a "convenience thing" with the places we're planning on using it
[07:57:18] <swiss> it recognizes and works from like 36" away, so you can put it at turnstiles, and people don't even have to break stride to use it
[08:01:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Zero-Knowledge Protocol for Nuclear Warhead Verification - http://sylnt.us - solving-problems-in-theory
[08:02:14] <juggs> but what have you achieved? That's just individual recognition. You could do that by fingerprint, face recognition, gait matching etc etc or some combination thereof. The key that brings any of these systems down is establishing trust.
[08:03:52] <swiss> i just find it interesting. Someone did bring up on the call bits about storing the information securely, which is going to be weird
[08:04:42] <juggs> The process by which you establish trust is absolutely finite here. You can have the best authentication and identification mechanisms in the world, but if you trust establishment process is flawed it means nothing.
[08:11:55] <juggs> And therein lies the problem - you have to store this stuff - securely somehow. If iris scans ever take a firm grip on immigration controls as was trialled at Heathrow London for 9 years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_Recognition_Immigration_System) then your little store of iris info became a tasty target.
[08:11:56] <monopoly> 04Wiki: 03Iris Recognition Immigration System: Iris Recognition Immigration System (IRIS) was an initiative, launched in 2004,[1] to provide automated clearance through UK immigration for certain frequent travelle...
[08:14:03] <juggs> So now you decided to use iris to open doors, you suddenly have to up your defences to outside attack. It's like putting a bullseye target on your forehead and standing on a live firing range.
[08:19:25] <swiss> well... i work at a large enough place we already have that bullseye
[08:19:47] <swiss> it's just that we hate having data the government could try to force us to hand over
[08:33:24] <juggs> sounds like a swiss bank :D
[08:33:31] <swiss> lol
[08:42:15] <juggs> I see some very complex one-way hashing + salting research under NDA in your near future. Or some research into how unique forehead scans can be - hell if you have to store it, store something the government can't run a comparison against. Or research thermite and bug out..... ultimately there is no right answer.
[08:43:33] <swiss> lol, i don't do NDA's really
[08:43:40] <swiss> mostly cause i'm not interesting enough
[08:45:03] <juggs> if your place of work is big enough and you are getting into discussing this kind of thing, then you probably should be. But meh - that's up to the powera that be.
[08:49:53] * NCommander still feels bleh
[08:50:03] <NCommander> but considerably less bleh than before
[08:50:28] * juggs casts spell of lessbleh on NCommander
[08:51:55] <chromas> juggs: s/sbleh/bians/
[08:51:55] <SedBot> <chromas> <juggs> casts spell of lesbians on NCommander
[08:52:01] <NCommander> -_-;
[08:52:26] <arti> just hang out in front of an ice cream shop if you want licking
[08:52:40] <juggs> I'd watch if no-one objected
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[09:03:16] <crutchy> coffee++
[09:03:16] <Bender> karma - coffee: 297
[09:13:21] <ar> coffee--
[09:13:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 296
[09:16:38] <crutchy> coffee++
[09:16:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 297
[09:16:41] <crutchy> :-P
[09:16:49] <crutchy> g'day ar
[09:18:23] <ar> morning
[09:20:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Russia Announces Loss of Last Early Warning Satellite in Geo-Sync - http://sylnt.us - didn't-see-it-coming
[10:06:52] <chromas> Bender: s/k/v/
[10:06:52] <SedBot> <chromas> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Russia Announces Loss of Last Early Warning Satellite in Geo-Sync - http://sylnt.us - didn't-see-it-coming
[11:31:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cross-national Intelligence and National Democracy - http://sylnt.us - Major-Major-Major-Major
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[12:19:59] <stdhell> It would be nice, if SoylentNews could remember that I'm logged in, even if I bring my laptop to work. /. and |. can.
[12:21:46] <chromas> Does changing the Valid Location in Login cookie settings help?
[12:21:52] <chromas> http://soylentnews.org
[12:21:53] <monopoly> 03Log In
[12:22:43] <crutchy> wb chromas
[12:22:58] <stdhell> Odd. I was sure I had set that to "Everywhere", but it was on "My Subnet".
[12:23:08] <chromas> Thanks. Router gets confused sometimes and forgets how to pass DNS on I guess
[12:23:13] <stdhell> Will see if it helps when I get home.
[12:23:25] <chromas> Maybe that setting gets forgotten too
[12:23:45] <crutchy> either that or recompile your kernel with a custom networking layer :-P
[12:24:28] * crutchy has nfi how to do that, how it would help or what it even means
[12:24:59] <chromas> That's what I should do; get a nano PC and use it for nat/firewall, web server and all the other things that don't belong on a firewall
[12:26:11] <stdhell> One could argue that a webserver does belong on the firewall. Otherwise you would have to... FORWARD A PORT?! OR TWO?!
[12:26:23] <crutchy> if you have an old smartphone (like a galaxy s2) you can root it and set one up on that
[12:26:44] <crutchy> or use one of those sheeva plug thingys
[12:27:16] <crutchy> ^that might be what you meant by nano pc i guess
[12:27:36] <chromas> needs a couple ethernet ports too
[12:28:28] <stdhell> A GuruPlug?
[12:29:12] <chromas> both neat
[12:29:14] <crutchy> there's prolly a lot of sheeva plug derivatives nowadays... some are fancy too
[12:29:32] <chromas> "GHz class CPU"? Does that mean it's 900MHz?
[12:29:34] <stdhell> Or DreamPlug
[12:29:48] <stdhell> 1.2GHz according to Wikipedia.
[12:29:49] <chromas> like x" class TVs that are x-2"
[12:30:00] <stdhell> (For both Guru and DreamPlug)
[12:30:48] <crutchy> wow i didn't realize there were this many http://en.wikipedia.org
[12:30:49] <monopoly> └ 04Wiki: 03SheevaPlug: The SheevaPlug is a "plug computer" designed to allow standard computing features in as small a space as possible.
[12:32:24] <chromas> ooh; monopoly needs to check for #
[12:32:36] <chromas> fragments or whatever
[12:36:57] <crutchy> smb://https:
[12:38:00] <stdhell> http://localhost
[12:38:18] <stdhell> Hmm... http://127.0.0.1 ?
[12:38:28] <crutchy> http://stuff
[12:38:28] <monopoly> └ 03Index of  ( http://localhost )
[12:38:42] <chromas> yeah redirects aren't checked :)
[12:38:59] <crutchy> http://infiniteredirect.com
[12:39:01] <chromas> not sure why those get redirects like that
[12:39:18] <crutchy> hosts?
[12:39:54] <crutchy> you haven't got one of those stupid malware programs that redirect half of the interwebs with your hosts file?
[12:40:00] <stdhell> http://stderr.dk
[12:40:02] <monopoly> └ 03Pipedot ( https://pipedot.org )
[12:40:03] <monopoly> └ 03Pipedot
[12:40:13] <stdhell> http://stderr.dk
[12:40:15] <monopoly> └ 03SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people ( http://soylentnews.org )
[12:40:16] <monopoly> └ 03SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
[12:40:17] <chromas> crap is that bug back?
[12:40:18] <stdhell> :-)
[12:40:28] <crutchy> yay!.com
[12:40:29] <chromas> it looks at itself
[12:40:49] <chromas> I went to the infiniteredirect page and it appears blank but the source indicatesgodaddy parking?
[12:42:47] <crutchy> http://ШШШºğØÅť°©ŐМ
[12:42:58] <crutchy> oops
[12:43:21] <crutchy> s/ŐМ/Ж/
[12:43:27] <crutchy> aw fack
[12:43:33] <chromas> http://8008135.net
[12:43:34] <monopoly> └ 03Index of  ( http://localhost )
[12:43:48] * chromas blames charter
[12:43:53] <crutchy> SedBot --enable-mind-reading-mode
[12:43:53] * SedBot is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[12:46:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:46:20] <Bender> karma - coffee: 298
[13:03:03] <crutchy> coffee++
[13:03:03] <Bender> karma - coffee: 299
[13:11:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> one more for good measure
[13:11:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:11:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 300
[13:12:32] <crutchy> now its a big fat pair of lips blowing bubbles
[13:16:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> or someone pooping sideways
[13:18:12] <stdhell> 💩++
[13:18:28] <stdhell> Stupid bot...
[13:20:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ask Soylent: Test Data Stories - http://sylnt.us - and-now-for-some-light-relief
[13:23:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's unicode test day for dev, boys n girls. soon as the relevant folks get awake and caffeinated enough.
[13:26:10] <crutchy> i'm irrelevant
[13:26:18] <crutchy> :-)
[13:29:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> really only waiting on paul, maybe NC if he's handy, but don't want to make his shat go ding at him until he's declared himself awake.
[13:35:57] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, ?
[13:36:08] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, do we have branches to merge?
[13:36:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> not going to merge the branch just yet because it hasn't got an off state in good working order
[13:36:50] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard: is there an xkcd to describe 'shat go ding'?
[13:37:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's up to date with main though
[13:38:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, already cloned a copy over to dev from my branch for deployment when folks are awake and caffeinated though
[13:39:27] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, if you want to deploy a branch on lithium, make sure the branch is owned by slash:dev_team, then run the deploy_slash.sh in ~slash/src folder
[13:45:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, going to wait a bit for paulej72 to get up and around. he wanted in on it.
[13:45:26] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, sure
[13:45:31] * NCommander is writing a new subscription post
[13:45:42] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, if you're up for it, I can use someone to review it, I rather not have a repeat of the last one >.<;
[13:46:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure sure. link me up and i'll read n coffee.
[13:46:53] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I'm still writing but k
[13:48:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> no rush, plenty of coffee to be drank still.
[13:49:11] <crutchy> try listening to some japanese dance music... i can't understand a word of it (something about 'itchy bums'?) but it sure gets your heart pumping (and coding fingers working)
[13:49:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i can't code to music
[13:50:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> anything more than fan noise and my attention gets split and hilarity does not ensue.
[13:50:54] <chromas> It does for us, the viewers
[13:51:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> fari nuff
[13:51:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/ari/air
[13:51:43] * SedBot offers ThiMightyBizzerd a /
[13:51:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> suck it sedbot
[13:52:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> not coding right now though
[13:52:49] * TheMightyBuzzard fires up Barbie Girl and cranks it
[13:53:17] <crutchy> barbie girl is also good :-P
[13:53:25] * crutchy looks for it on his music drive
[13:53:35] <stdhell> You guys are weird...
[13:53:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://cs9-2v4.vk.me
[13:53:53] <monopoly> └ ( https://cs9-2v4.vk.me )
[13:54:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha! made the bot listen to it
[13:55:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's great for ignoring. i used to set it as my Everquest fight music for raids.
[13:55:53] <crutchy> lol poor chromas... it might have opened it on his browser and cranked it out on dual 15" subs
[13:56:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> my neighbor prolly loves me. cranking barbie girl before 7am
[13:56:57] <chromas> It's okay; I've got earphones in
[13:58:14] * chromas is listening to sacrilege
[13:59:52] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: is that coming from your box under the couch?
[14:00:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> The Music Explosion - Little Bit O'Soul
[14:00:22] <chromas> Sofa, Davenport...
[14:00:33] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[14:00:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> whoosh, yo
[14:00:44] <chromas> The link you sent
[14:01:08] <chromas> ~15kb/s
[14:01:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, nah. that's off vk.com. vkontakte.ru if you prefer
[14:02:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> social network site for ruskies. excellent for tunes piracy as well.
[14:02:09] <chromas> Actually it was a lot faster for the bot; maybe they're throttling
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[14:04:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> never known them to for me. you do catch the occasional slow download but i can't find rhyme or reason for it.
[14:08:15] <NCommander> Ok, I think I got a rough draft done here
[14:08:15] <NCommander> ugh
[14:08:24] * crutchy cranking out some noiseworks
[14:08:59] <crutchy> ...in headphones. sub is collecting dust atm :-(
[14:09:37] * NCommander is going to go post this on dev
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[14:11:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> perks of being a bachelor and working largely from home. get to crank my tunes and let the sub earn its pay.
[14:12:54] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, http://meta.dev.soylentnews.org
[14:12:55] <monopoly> └ 04SN article: 03Back To The Drawing Board: Rethinking Subscription + Explaing Expenses 04(0 comments):
[14:13:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, already checking
[14:13:13] <NCommander> and anyone else who wants to look
[14:14:17] <NCommander> Huh, interesting
[14:14:22] * NCommander learned a quirk in slashcode
[14:14:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> whazzat?
[14:14:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> , unsigned display?
[14:15:25] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, means the article hasn't been signed off on, and its marked to show up on the index
[14:15:27] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, shows up for admins
[14:15:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[14:15:44] <NCommander> paulej72, http://dev.soylentnews.org - on the subscription post, why don't I get Meta: on it
[14:15:45] <monopoly> └ 03Dev.SN: Dev.SN is dead developers
[14:17:29] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, feed free to edit it if you see mistakes
[14:17:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks good so far
[14:19:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> /bin/post -vv
[14:20:31] <chromas> Are you sure that's enough -v ?
[14:20:57] <crutchy> maybe coffee isn't enough
[14:21:24] <crutchy> coffee++
[14:21:24] <Bender> karma - coffee: 301
[14:22:35] <chromas> Verbosicoffee
[14:25:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, looks good
[14:25:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> couple errant commas maybe but taking them out would deprive people pointing them out in comments.
[14:26:34] * chromas prepares anonymous pitchforks
[14:26:55] <NCommander> Its been awhile since I've posted a large scale novel to the site
[14:28:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> got a way around donations licensing if you like. use a pay what you like model for something essentially worthless.
[14:29:30] <crutchy> NCommander: its worth what you put into it... vested interest is the best motivator
[14:29:42] <crutchy> (unfortunately not many in SN have any)
[14:30:01] <crutchy> not much to leverage
[14:30:04] <chromas> "click here to donate a coffee (animated_coffee_mug.jif)"
[14:30:52] <NCommander> crutchy, yeah. /. had huge problems in raising reveune at all
[14:31:25] <crutchy> that's why i kinda advocated reducing expenses instead of raising revenue
[14:31:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, like instead of setting the price, have an editable field to purchase a picture of NCommander with a shoe on his head.
[14:31:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> with the donation amount as a subtitle
[14:33:30] <crutchy> a lot of folks on SN (& /. etc) are cheap (as in beer) but collectively they have awesome server capacity
[14:34:26] <crutchy> maybe we could start a community development project called BoincSlash?
[14:34:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds like extra points of failure and troubleshooting woes to me
[14:34:55] <crutchy> or Slash@Home :-P
[14:35:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> can already do that with the dev vm, sort of
[14:35:52] <chromas> Auction off the devs as eligible (but not confirmed) bachelors
[14:36:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> systemctl start fattieguard.service
[14:37:00] <crutchy> one of them is turning into an eskimo though? (also cold isn't good for 'performing')
[14:38:47] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[14:39:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> allergies can just suck it. hate having to take benadryl.
[14:39:50] <crutchy> chromas: just dumped the idea of exec lines in scripts. can't be fked coding for various language comment syntaxes
[14:40:35] <crutchy> and its kinda nice to have everything in one file sometimes in case i decide to change the line syntax (again)
[14:40:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> har
[14:43:59] <chromas> Aw. But just think, if you make it super complex then it could eventually take on a life of its own
[14:44:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> skynet gotta come from somewhere, yo
[14:45:59] <chromas> Like slash. You don't think NCommander and TheMightyBuzzard want to work on it, do you? Hell no; no one does! Not it compels them and neighs in their sleep
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[14:47:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> i actually enjoy working on it. outsmarting fucked up perl is a hobby of mine.
[14:48:45] <crutchy> slashd == trojanhorsed
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[14:48:52] <crutchy> it will kill you in your sleep
[14:49:17] <chromas> JamezNZ, s/bus/pla/
[14:49:27] <chromas> Aw
[14:49:40] <paulej72> NCommander: no idea
[14:49:46] * crutchy wonders if exec would handle that
[14:49:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, mornin
[14:49:55] <paulej72> morning
[14:50:04] <crutchy> g'day paulej72
[14:50:27] * chromas now wonders the etymology of nightmare but there's no etymologybot
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[14:50:46] <NCommander> paulej72, slash's behavior is "fun"
[14:51:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, got the branch pulled over to dev n short of modding DBIx::Password and setting utf8=1 in the vars table, all it needs is a deploy.
[14:51:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Capturing Employees' Expertise on Camera Before They Hit the Exits - http://sylnt.us - you're-company-property
[14:51:59] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[14:52:06] <crutchy> hi Bytram
[14:52:08] <Bytram> Hi everyone!
[14:52:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Bytram
[14:52:34] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[14:52:35] <monopoly> └ 03Boffins untangle why your software builds fail • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[14:52:36] <monopoly> └ 03Boffins untangle why your software builds fail • The Register
[14:52:39] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: g'morning!
[14:52:58] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: how's things?
[14:53:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> peachy keen, jellybean
[14:53:20] <crutchy> thanks to aqua :-P
[14:53:44] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I've *never* heard THAT one before! I *LIKE* it!
[14:53:56] <Bytram> crutchy: Huh?
[14:54:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, stole it from Grease.
[14:55:11] <Bytram> ahhH!
[14:55:29] <Bytram> that's the one that starred "Olivia Newton John Travolta", right? =)
[14:55:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[14:55:51] * Bytram likes how the names blend together like that!
[14:56:18] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: how's the utf8 stuff going?
[14:56:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> Stockard Channing too, what was the one the quote was from
[14:57:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, going to go live with it on dev soon as paulej72 declares himself awake and properly caffeinated.
[14:57:14] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:57:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 302
[14:57:16] <Bytram> hth
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[14:58:28] * TheMightyBuzzard mods DBIx::Password real quick
[14:59:17] <Bytram> can't wait to play with it! Am *really* interested in seeing the named character entity: "&mdash;" get supported instead of deleted... it's bit us in several stories lately where it just got deleted.
[14:59:55] <chromas> It was supported awhile back.:)
[15:00:13] <Bytram> oh?
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[15:00:21] * Bytram scurries over to test on dev... brb
[15:00:57] * crutchy imagines Bytram scurrying through the tubes
[15:01:11] <chromas> But then it quit and I was a sad panda. Em dashes are basically all I write
[15:01:56] <crutchy> i prefer non-breaking ones in word... very handy (i think it's ctrl+shift+-)
[15:02:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, should be able to type it in directly, unsure about entities. to the point where i need other eyes because mine are crossed.
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[15:03:14] <crutchy> hi Woods
[15:03:21] <Woods> Heyoooo
[15:03:22] <Woods> What up
[15:03:34] <chromas> crutchy: compose - - -
[15:03:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> stuff n things
[15:03:40] <crutchy> not much. just chillin before i gotta go sleepies
[15:03:48] <Woods> Those are my favorite.
[15:05:20] <crutchy> chromas: s/ / /g
[15:05:21] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: no joy in the preview pane of a comment; the &mdash; got deleted on the current version of dev.soylentnews.com
[15:05:39] <crutchy> Ö
[15:05:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> bummer
[15:05:51] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Here's a dump of what I put into the comment field:
[15:05:52] <Bytram> <p>This is a test of what happens with the named character entity "mdash".
[15:05:52] <Bytram> <p>This should appear like what the user types into a comment box: &amp;mdash;
[15:05:52] <Bytram> <p>This is an example &amp;mdash; if you will &amp;mdash; of how I'm using it in the next sentence:
[15:05:52] <Bytram> <p>This is an example &mdash; if you will &mdash; of it being used twice in one sentence.
[15:05:52] <Bytram> <p>This was submitted using "Plain Old Text"
[15:06:13] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: and here's what I got: http://meta.dev.soylentnews.org
[15:06:14] <monopoly> └ 04SN comment by martyb (76): This is a test of what happens with the named character entity "mdash".
[15:06:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like there might be code actively filtering it out
[15:06:47] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:07:01] <crutchy> trojanhorsed
[15:07:09] <Bytram> can you please try it on your build and see what happens?
[15:07:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i think i found and removed that bit of this test branch.
[15:07:41] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: why dd you not just add mysql_enable_utf8 => 1 to the attributes on the virtual user?
[15:08:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, tried that first on mine. for some reason it didn't work.
[15:08:50] <crutchy> paulej72: where's the fun in that?
[15:09:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like it would have but it didn't and i know not why.
[15:09:52] <crutchy> prolly cos its mysql
[15:10:03] <crutchy> ...the other crapd
[15:10:10] <paulej72> Deployed
[15:10:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, setting utf8=1 then
[15:11:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> now need a server start/stop and it should be golden
[15:15:29] * Bytram leans forward in seat and awaits word that uts8 support is up-and-running on dev
[15:16:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, ladies n gents. break it.
[15:16:22] * Bytram rubs hands gleefully in anticipation
[15:16:25] <Bytram> =)
[15:16:26] <paulej72> fuck the hard coded filter is catching us.
[15:16:37] <paulej72> Your comment has too few characters per line (currently 0.0).
[15:16:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> grah
[15:17:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> think that's the db filter actually
[15:17:19] <paulej72> no it is not. I just deleted most of the db filters
[15:17:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[15:17:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> lemme rebump apache in case they were cached
[15:18:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> check now
[15:18:18] <NCommander> paulej72, TheMightyBuzzard: I love you guys
[15:18:20] <NCommander> */just saying*
[15:18:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> yassuh boss
[15:18:59] <paulej72> Not working it is a hard coded filter in the comments.pm file i think
[15:20:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> funky. wonder how they got through on my vm using the same comments.pm
[15:21:12] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[15:21:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 303
[15:21:15] <Blackmoore> mornin
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[15:21:40] <Bytram> decaf++ ;)
[15:21:40] <Bender> karma - decaf: 1
[15:21:44] <Bytram> LOL!
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[15:21:56] <prospectacle> a hoy hoy
[15:22:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin
[15:22:16] <prospectacle> evening
[15:22:18] <prospectacle> hope you are well
[15:22:19] <Bytram> prospectacle: gmorning
[15:22:41] <prospectacle> martyb
[15:22:56] <paulej72> $constants->{comments_min_line_len}
[15:23:11] <Bytram> what's up? (Besides the direction that I've never managed to be able to fall in ;)
[15:23:51] <crutchy> thats cos your in the northern hemisphere
[15:23:57] <prospectacle> company is being sold (I'm not a shareholder), got my new contract to look over. Maybe it's time for a change
[15:23:59] <prospectacle> Yourself?
[15:24:09] <paulej72> fixed
[15:24:27] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++ YAY! http://meta.dev.soylentnews.org
[15:24:27] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 18
[15:24:28] <monopoly> └ 04SN comment by martyb (76): This is a test of what happens with the named character entity "mdash".
[15:24:30] <crutchy> prospectacle: been there, sucks ass
[15:24:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, was a db setting then
[15:25:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait no, that's not $constants
[15:25:08] <prospectacle> crutchy. my sympathies. Any advice?
[15:25:21] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: wait a sec... I spoke too soon. &amp; got stripped out. :/
[15:25:30] <paulej72> https://github.com
[15:25:41] <crutchy> prospectacle: depends on the new owner. in my case was an indian multi so i bailed
[15:26:03] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: we need to change that regex to be unicode safe.
[15:26:09] <prospectacle> crutchy, yeah big companies make me uneasy
[15:26:37] <crutchy> be wary of anyone that mentions 'rationalizing' :-P
[15:26:45] <prospectacle> lol
[15:27:03] <Bytram> prospectacle: been through that a few times; no *simple* suggestions. Things improved in some cases; went downhill in others.
[15:27:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, it should be from what i read
[15:28:07] <prospectacle> bytram. that's good to know in a way. I should remain optimistic.
[15:28:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh the tr/// line. gotcha
[15:28:38] <prospectacle> anyway what's been happening?
[15:28:52] <Bytram> prospectacle: in one case, we had some really good tech and the buyer wanted to help us push it out to market better - invested in us to help us to succeed.
[15:28:54] <prospectacle> I've been busy and have barely logged in for a couple months now.
[15:29:10] <Bytram> of course that meant some changes, but in the big picture they could be seen as positive
[15:29:12] <prospectacle> bytram, that sounds good. Sometimes I guess investors aren't evil
[15:29:30] <paulej72> Bytram and TheMightyBuzzard encode_html_amp is being used instead of encode_html_amp_ifnotent
[15:29:32] <Bytram> in another case it was a but, slash, and condense work forces to develop synergy.
[15:29:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, which comment?
[15:30:03] <Bytram> it actually worked, but was really painful to go through. about a 40% layoff of "our" staff.
[15:30:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> but ya, absolutely correct
[15:30:11] <prospectacle> wow
[15:30:22] <prospectacle> that sucks, good that you survived, though. A vote of confidence
[15:30:40] <paulej72> Bytram: TheMightyBuzzard: wait a sec... I spoke too soon. &amp; got stripped out.
[15:30:56] <prospectacle> One guy possibly already is leaving on his own terms to greener pastures, so if that happens I guess the rest of us will be more valuable (he tells himself hopefully)
[15:31:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. i think i vaguely remember the line that does that even though it shouldn't
[15:32:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> i fixed it in submit.pl or whatever it was called but not for comments.
[15:32:53] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard: s/*/its a feature! :-)/
[15:32:57] <NCommander> paulej72, so ... I think your CSS fix for nexuses broke Related Stories
[15:33:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> we are just talking in the comment subject, yes?
[15:33:42] <paulej72> NCommander: It looks like it may have. I’ll look into it.
[15:34:58] <NCommander> Ok, post is set to go live at noon
[15:35:10] <NCommander> prospectacle, BTW, you got a shoutout in the next post I'm running
[15:36:07] <prospectacle> NCommander, just stumbled across it on dev while looking at unicode. Reading it now. Thanks for taking the time
[15:36:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, got the bug noted down and will get on looking for the cause in comments.pl as soon as i get another coffee.
[15:36:22] <paulej72> NCommander: slash uses the same code for related stories as minimized homepage stories. I rewote that code to make the home page look good and it broke related stories.
[15:38:01] <paulej72> NCommander: I’ll probably need to fix this by recreating the old template as a differnet one for use in the related articles only
[15:38:13] <NCommander> paulej72, .... slashcode is special
[15:40:26] <prospectacle> NCommander, if you're on the fence, I have two more arguments for this option: 1 - A good hosted forum has commercial value (iow it's a way of having corporate subscribers without selling out or showing ads), 2 - You can poach any good mods that subscribers make to their own instance of slash (assuming permissions, etc).
[15:40:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Supreme Court: Police Need Warrants for Cell Phone Searches - http://sylnt.us - outbreak-of-sanity
[15:41:32] <prospectacle> I realise it would be a lot of dev. to make this option viable. Anyway that's my case. Will wait to see others comments when post is live.
[15:43:04] * crutchy wonders if irc could be adapted to enable nested discussions
[15:43:38] <prospectacle> crutchy, how would that work?
[15:43:56] <prospectacle> like a room within a room?
[15:44:10] <crutchy> nfi, but mnow my damn brain prolly won't let me sleep :-P
[15:44:10] <prospectacle> You just blew my mind
[15:44:24] <prospectacle> lol
[15:44:44] <prospectacle> You'll figure it out by 3:15am no doubt
[15:44:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> MC 1.7.10 released
[15:45:44] <crutchy> evil
[15:47:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks mostly like a realms fix
[15:48:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> any bugs besides ampersands in comment subjects yet?
[15:49:22] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Sorry, but yes. Just finished putting this up; should be self-explanatory: http://dev.soylentnews.org
[15:49:23] <monopoly> └ 04SN comment by martyb (76): Submitted as "Plain Old Text"
[15:49:52] <Bytram> back in about 5 minutes or so.
[15:50:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, good good. figured there would be issues with entities because i hadn't really messed with them yet.
[15:50:59] <paulej72> NCommander: how did you put that story on dev?
[15:51:08] <NCommander> paulej72, New -> fill in boxes
[15:51:22] <NCommander> paulej72, I copy and pasted the text from the production version of the article
[15:52:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, finding bugs is a happy thing. means I don't have to find them.
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[15:53:16] <paulej72> NCommander: the related stories are pulling in empty stuff. This does not seem to be related to what I was doing
[15:53:49] <Blackmoore> the MC fix will also fix the logjam on modded minecraft
[15:54:02] <crutchy> ~join #test
[15:54:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> Blackmoore, hopefully
[15:54:23] <crutchy> oops wrong chan
[15:54:25] * TheMightyBuzzard is waiting for 1.8
[15:54:41] <Blackmoore> forge has a prerelease out, and a number of the "big" mods were holing out for that.
[15:55:23] <prospectacle> Has anyone seen the english series "the shadow line"? a gangster is executed, and powerful organisations on both sides of the law investigate simultaneously
[15:55:50] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nod nod; teamwork ftw
[15:55:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, on the "my $num_chars = $check_notags =~ tr/A-Za-z0-9?!(){}[]+='"@$-//;" line...
[15:55:55] <Bytram> away for a bit
[15:55:56] <Blackmoore> Lex was presuming that most mods would be able to just recompile and go.. (and of course that isnt the case)
[15:56:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> how you feel about it counting anything not whitespace and letting the db filters handle the bitching?
[15:57:50] <NCommander> paulej72, probably broke slashcode, related is filled in automaticly from links, but they don't point to stories on dev
[15:58:00] <NCommander> i.e., if I put a link to article x, it gets added to related automatically
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[15:59:01] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I have deleted most of the db filters as they are not uff-8 safe. Not sure if any of them can be salvaged. I suggest we do as you suggest so we at least have this filter in effect
[16:00:30] <paulej72> NCommander: that is good to know. it probably thinks dev is a nexus of soylentnews.org and thus this links should be in its db. I wonder if that is what is fucking up the meta tag?
[16:01:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, nod nod. going to add that in now then. i'm sure we can eventually come up with utf8-happy regexes for the db. if not i know it can be done hardcoded.
[16:02:01] <paulej72> NCommander: since it seems like the issue is only some css and not a majorly broken template, I will just need to fix the css
[16:03:00] <NCommander> paulej72, I think we're out of goats to sacirifce
[16:03:19] <NCommander> paulej72, I've been mulling implementing an "Edit" button at some point, but I'm afraid to know what it would cost in BLOOD
[16:03:44] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I am not sure how to rewrite the ascii art regex to make it utf-8 safe and still work
[16:05:04] <Blackmoore> NCommander: I'll start looking for a bull to sacrifice. a goat will not be enough
[16:05:23] <prospectacle> just tape a bunch of cats together
[16:05:28] <paulej72> (?:(?:\W){5,}) and (?:\b(?:[^a-zA-Z0-9])+\b) for junk character post,
[16:05:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, come at it the other way and count characters commonly found in ascii art and derive $num_characters from the difference of it and total character count.
[16:05:38] <NCommander> paulej72, eh, does filtering ASCII art *really* hurt us THAT much?
[16:05:42] <Blackmoore> prospectacle: that didnt go so well last time
[16:06:00] <paulej72> [\\\,\.\-\_\*\|\}\{\]\[\@\&\%\$\s\)\(\?\!\^\=\+\~\`\"\'] and [^a-zA-Z0-9] for asscii art
[16:07:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, probably just the first set. we can't do the [^a-zA-Z0-9] thing and not make it think unicode outside the ascii range is bad.
[16:07:30] <Bytram> paulej72: [[:punct:]] ??
[16:07:33] <paulej72> I think that the junk character post. the ascii art and the awful lot of charactes ones can easily be removed and not cause an issue
[16:08:05] <NCommander> Honest truth: do these filters actually help or annoy users?
[16:08:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> for now it's going to be "my $num_chars = $check_notags =~ tr/\S//;" though with no checking for ascii art at all.
[16:08:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> just a whitespace check essentially.
[16:08:57] <paulej72> most annoy the users
[16:09:14] <NCommander> paulej72, disable or delete with extreme prejuice
[16:10:23] <paulej72> I would love to see the filter list on ./.jp
[16:11:19] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I was thinking about something like spamassassin (or whatever) does with bayer-something filters; create independentish "scores" and base the decision on THOSE, instead of trying to come up with one single master good/bad test.
[16:11:21] <paulej72> And we have to get rid of the all caps filter
[16:11:30] <Bytram> paulej72: nod nod
[16:11:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, is it still being a bitch?
[16:12:05] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: pm?
[16:12:18] <paulej72> not no dev as I deleted ages ago when we first tried the utf-8 to entities
[16:12:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, good idea but not easy to implement until after we get it all working.
[16:12:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> good good
[16:12:41] <paulej72> s/no/on/
[16:12:41] <SedBot> <paulej72> ont no dev as I deleted ages ago when we first tried the utf-8 to entities
[16:13:07] <paulej72> fu sedbot
[16:13:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> pushing the change, pulling it to dev, redeploying.
[16:13:35] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: where are you deploying from on dev?
[16:13:49] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, BTW, enjoy your subscription on SN
[16:14:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~slash/src/slashcode-unicode-work
[16:14:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, cheers
[16:14:27] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, your posts should have the little star now
[16:14:36] * NCommander figures you've earned it due to wrestling with this shit
[16:16:14] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[16:16:21] <paulej72> I have ~/src/slascode setup with your repo as a remote. I like to deploy out of this dir as the main deployslash.sh script uses this dir
[16:16:34] <NCommander> paulej72, I though I changed that script to use the CWD
[16:16:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, okey doke.
[16:17:06] <paulej72> NCommander: did not realize that.
[16:17:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, the cd is commented out i thought
[16:18:15] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: then just go about your busineess as ususal.
[16:18:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg, yep yep
[16:23:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, it doesn't like that escape in tr///
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[16:37:29] <Woods> Sneak peek of an upcoming astronomy story: http://regmedia.co.uk
[16:37:41] <Woods> The top row shows some of the input images used to create the final composite in the bottom right.
[16:40:36] <Blackmoore> that's some fine looking images.
[16:41:25] <Woods> I know right? Pretty awesome. The top row were gathered from amateur astronomers around the world.
[16:43:09] <Blackmoore> i have to wonder what amount of time went into each exposure.
[16:43:37] <Blackmoore> that lower left image looks like it was focused for a good long time
[16:43:51] <Woods> I am sure it varies heavily, the site lets you check out the submitted pictures, some of those are just stars in the surrounding area.
[16:44:02] <Woods> I think the lower left is all the images combined? But it is not specific.
[16:44:41] <Woods> Given the number of stars in the background, the exposure is at least insanely long, if not a compilation of all the pictures.
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[16:47:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, shouldn't get bitched at for trying to do ascii art when pasting unicode now.
[16:48:12] * Bytram starts preparing some unicode art =)
[16:48:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> Still need some english text or the cat got your tongue filter kicks in. I'm okay with that though.
[16:50:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> for now anyway. it would need to go for a full kanji site for example, so it should probably user defined in vars.
[16:50:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Limits of Signals Intelligence - NSA had no Clue - http://sylnt.us - wood-for-the-trees
[16:52:46] <prospectacle> NSA show the dangers of software: putting formal processes, speed, and scale, above human understanding.
[16:52:53] <prospectacle> We all do it
[16:53:25] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: you should be albe to use s/// instead
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[16:54:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, that returns the altered string rather than the count of substitutions, doesn't it?
[16:55:06] <paulej72> It can output a count $count = ($paragraph =~ s/Mister\b/Mr./g); # get change-cnt
[16:55:23] <paulej72> http://perldoc.perl.org
[16:55:24] <monopoly> └ 03perlop - perldoc.perl.org
[16:55:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. tr/ \t\r\n\f//c works well enough though.
[16:56:11] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: looking much better... still missing pretty-much all named character entities at and following "latin small f with hook = function = florin, U+0192 ISOtech:" here: http://meta.dev.soylentnews.org
[16:56:11] <monopoly> └ 04SN comment by martyb (76): Reply to This
[16:56:21] <Blackmoore> Woods: considering the "washed-out" of the main system i expect it was stupid long, mostlikely they were trying to see what the perimiter of the system looked like
[16:57:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, add a comment to that effect in reply to your big one if ya would.
[16:57:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm likely to forget 3/4 of this over the weekend since i won't be around fri-sun to work on it.
[16:57:45] <paulej72> Bytram: you need to create a new comment with the orginal text copied into it.
[16:58:07] <Bytram> paulej72: on my way!
[16:58:36] <Woods> Blackmoore: Agreed, I cannot wait to see more finished pictures. I have a feeling they will find some pretty great stuff.
[16:59:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, i got what he meant. even think i have an idea of where the badness is happening.
[17:03:34] <Bytram> paulej72: TheMightyBuzzard: well, that was NOT an improvement :/ "Native" utf chars are mostly missing; only about a 1/3 or so of the named entities are working
[17:03:54] <Bytram> http://dev.soylentnews.org
[17:03:55] <monopoly> └ 04SN comment by martyb (76): This is another try at testing all named character entities that appear in the HTML 4 spec.
[17:05:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you SURE those were native?
[17:06:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause if they were it should have showed "ℜ" = for all four instances
[17:06:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> instead of just the top one.
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[17:08:52] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: pretty darn sure.... PM me your e-mail addy and I can send it to you?
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[17:13:37] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: it's on its way... pls let me know if you got it.
[17:15:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you were pasting from the source, weren't you
[17:15:39] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: btw; Loggie is our friend: http://logs.sylnt.us for example: http://logs.sylnt.us
[17:15:40] <monopoly> └ 03#Soylent | Logs
[17:15:40] <monopoly> └ 03#Soylent | Logs for 2014-06-26
[17:15:57] <Bytram> ummm, I think so. give me a bit to recollect my thoguhts.
[17:16:18] <Bytram> they came from: http://www.w3.org
[17:16:19] <monopoly> └ 03Character entity references in HTML 
[17:16:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, ya, they were entities then rather than proper unicode.
[17:16:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> shows the <dd> tags in the source of the comment.
[17:17:03] <Bytram> wait a sec...
[17:17:14] <Bytram> I got the *list* from there.... let me double check
[17:17:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> it still should have passed them but no biggie
[17:20:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> think it may very well be a bug in approveCharref
[17:21:42] <Bytram> ahhh, I misremembered. Everything you see there between the quotes on the Left-Hand Side is the "interpreted "version of what you see described on the Right-Hand side. If everything is working as it should, you should see of the exact same character appearing one-on-top-of-the-other following each named character entity description.
[17:21:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[17:22:13] <Bytram> the "native" utf-8 character were a planned-for, but not-yet-implemented, enhancement.
[17:22:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i think that actually might have passed properly yesterday
[17:23:04] * Bytram sings "If I Could Yurn Back Time" =)
[17:23:13] * Bytram sings "If I Could Turn Back Time" =)
[17:23:16] <Bytram> lol
[17:23:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> had to change a bunch of stuff slightly though to get native working right.
[17:23:59] * Bytram needs to get prepared for heading out; will leave window open 'til I leave.
[17:24:02] <Bytram> good luck!
[17:24:08] Bytram is now known as bytram|afk
[17:24:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, adios
[17:29:03] <bytram|afk> TheMightyBuzzard: I *just* remembered! Take what you want from here: https://github.com
[17:29:41] <bytram|afk> there's a perl script which generates all that test data; in case you don't want to D/L the entire lot of them.
[17:29:54] <bytram|afk> ok gtg; back in a bit
[17:30:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> cyas
[17:46:42] <bytram|afk> ok, heading out for the day; hope to check back in in a few hours.
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[17:51:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Students Aim to Send Time Capsules to Mars by 2017: - http://sylnt.us - challenge-accepted
[18:01:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Back To The Drawing Board: Rethinking Subscription + Explaing Expenses - http://sylnt.us - my-ears-are-still-ringing
[18:07:26] <Blackmoore> looks good NCommander
[18:09:10] <NCommander> Blackmoore, oh good that went live
[18:09:30] <NCommander> Then again
[18:09:31] <NCommander> "
[18:09:31] <NCommander> 2223 words in story "
[18:09:39] <NCommander> Maybe I shouldn't be allowed to write crap
[18:10:31] * NCommander always dislikes posting meta at times just because I feel like someone going to give me the ass-rearing of my life
[18:15:32] <prospectacle> someone's gotta do it
[18:15:55] <prospectacle> I appreciate it
[18:16:04] <prospectacle> otherwise /nick NDictator
[18:17:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> prospectacle, technically he is a dictator at the moment. he's just a benevolent one.
[18:18:23] <prospectacle> lol, good enough
[18:18:34] <Blackmoore> I like it. I know a bunch of people will bitch that it's meta.. but f them. I'm backing you and this site, and I want to know what is going on as you trudge through the incoporation process.
[18:19:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, can't bitch about meta if you're wanting your voice heard on shat you think matters. and if you don't, why are you here instead of at /.?
[18:24:00] <prospectacle> Vive la République!
[18:26:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> USNR
[18:26:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> i need more coffee
[18:27:22] <prospectacle> drink tea every second time, it has theanine, combines well with caffeine
[18:27:28] <prospectacle> or do whatever
[18:30:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mostly drink tea after lunch, just to cut down on overall caffeine intake.
[18:31:43] <prospectacle> makes sense. have you noticed how it makes you feel calmer than equiv. caffeine from coffee?
[18:32:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> not really. it'd have to be ~3x as much tea as i drink coffee
[18:32:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> then i'd mostly feel like i have to pee
[18:32:46] <prospectacle> yeah it's much weaker
[18:32:57] <prospectacle> true that
[18:33:57] <prospectacle> anyway it has a second drug in it.
[18:34:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> nifty
[18:42:24] <prospectacle> $20/yr++
[18:43:35] <prospectacle> subscriber features are secondary and can be added and modified over time. for many of us it's a glorified donation
[18:49:04] <Tachyon> !uid
[18:49:04] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4489, owned by JoelTheSuperior
[18:51:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Students Aim to Send Time Capsules to Mars by 2017 - http://sylnt.us - challenge-accepted
[19:01:29] <paulej72> Now we just need to mod the code to make it all work :)
[19:01:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - USPTO Not Excluding Software and Business Method Patents per se in View of Alice - http://sylnt.us - matter-of-interpretation
[19:02:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, subscriber stuff or we back to talking unicode?
[19:02:41] <paulej72> subscriber stuff. Need to switch it from per page view to time based
[19:03:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> accounts maintenance prolly should be in slashdev
[19:03:49] <prospectacle> could just make subscriptions award you the *promise* of new features first (or in some cases, exclusively). Then the new features wouldn't have to exist (or be precisely defined) yet, to start accepting payment
[19:04:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> run it once a day instead of having to look up their end of subscription date every page load.
[19:05:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> prospectacle, nod nod.
[19:07:19] <prospectacle> i will subscribe for $20 right now. I have faith I'll end up getting something for it.
[19:07:36] <prospectacle> I spent more on chinese food yesterday
[19:07:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> as well you should. chinese food is delicious.
[19:07:59] <prospectacle> yep
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[19:08:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> ate szchewan chicken and/or beef for lunch every day for over a year once
[19:08:54] <SirFinkus> maybe voice in irc as a perk?
[19:09:03] <SirFinkus> pretty much e-peen, but whatever
[19:09:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> there ya go
[19:11:51] <prospectacle> wow
[19:12:33] <prospectacle> I found this good vegan place (I'm not a vegan), makes good fake duck, fake pork. yum
[19:15:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> is there such a thing as a good vegan place? sounds pretty dubious to me.
[19:16:09] <prospectacle> yeah i was surprised, Now I go there almost every week
[19:16:37] * prospectacle hungry just thinking about it
[19:16:50] <prospectacle> they have some eastern magic
[19:18:04] <NCommander> I knew this amazing vegetarian place in Panama ;.;
[19:18:09] <NCommander> Stupidly cheap, and stupidly good
[19:18:15] <NCommander> Amazing garlic tofu
[19:18:24] * NCommander actually sat their during initial golive eatig tofu
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[19:19:05] <NCommander> paulej72, that shouldn't be hard to do
[19:19:36] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm making sure we have no remaining blockers for incorporation, but if we're good, then the business side of it should be up next week
[19:20:15] <prospectacle> yeah some people know how to magically turn bean curd into food. I think it's a kind of sorcery
[19:20:27] <prospectacle> or saucery, am i right
[19:21:46] * SirFinkus groans
[19:22:13] <NCommander> prospectacle, someone been playing kingdom of loathing
[19:22:13] * SirFinkus has had just about enough of this tofullery
[19:22:25] <NCommander> I dunno, I think the ends justify the meats
[19:24:56] <prospectacle> i got nothin
[19:25:36] <SirFinkus> in any case, it's bean fun
[19:25:46] <prospectacle> damn
[19:26:23] <SirFinkus> I take it by your soylence you aren't very quick on your feet?
[19:27:05] <prospectacle> lol it's 330am I'm not much of anything
[19:27:06] <arti> well this place does turn fruits into vegetables
[19:27:24] <SirFinkus> I just wanted to make more puns
[19:27:31] <prospectacle> guess I can't use my noodle
[19:27:32] <arti> so you can be the punisher?
[19:27:55] <SirFinkus> I didn't mean to be curd with you
[19:28:24] <prospectacle> probably it's bed time. when I next Stir it will by Fry day
[19:28:26] <arti> lets not be pasty
[19:28:35] * arti golf claps
[19:29:21] <prospectacle> what's kingdom of loathing?
[19:29:40] <SirFinkus> well, I'm going afk for a while
[19:29:43] <SirFinkus> soyanara
[19:30:15] <prospectacle> later
[19:32:12] <NCommander> prospectacle, browser based MMOG
[19:32:25] <arti> that's neat
[19:32:26] <NCommander> arti, I dunno, I think we're full of nuts
[19:32:37] * arti glances around for ethanol
[19:32:37] <NCommander> Its notable for its wordplay
[19:32:44] <NCommander> One puzzle requires you to find a bridge
[19:33:03] <NCommander> To get a bridge, you have to buy an abridged dictionary, then take it to the Untinkerer (which takes items apart)
[19:33:08] <NCommander> Which gives you a bridge and a dictionary
[19:33:50] <arti> i like this
[19:34:24] <prospectacle> lol
[19:38:09] <prospectacle> re: tipping good stories: what's the rules about competitions/prizes? I think in many jurisdications if the prize is low (<$5000), you don't need permission. So maybe you need to subscribe to be eligible, and that's like entering a competition (Dunno, just brainstorming).
[19:38:56] * NCommander is handing out alpha test subscriptions since I'm in a GOOD mood :-)
[19:39:01] <NCommander> (run!)
[19:39:28] <prospectacle> can I have one? I'll cherish it with due awe and reverence
[19:39:31] * arti o.o
[19:39:35] <arti> test subscriptions
[19:39:40] * NCommander hands one to prospectacle
[19:39:49] <prospectacle> legend!
[19:40:15] <arti> are these for the browser mmo
[19:40:21] <NCommander> prospectacle, enjoy your pretty star
[19:40:29] <NCommander> arti, no, SN test subs
[19:40:33] <prospectacle> oh i will
[19:40:38] <arti> prospectacle: wear it on your left arm
[19:40:55] <arti> :(
[19:41:00] <NCommander> prospectacle, BTW, can you see my full comment history now: http://soylentnews.org
[19:41:02] <monopoly> └ 03NCommander - SoylentNews User
[19:41:04] <arti> schande
[19:43:18] <NCommander> paulej72, http://soylentnews.org - when did we break user pages? :-/ (Firefox/private browsing)
[19:43:19] <monopoly> └ 03VLM - SoylentNews User
[19:45:08] <prospectacle> NCommander, looks like i can only see comments back to june 20
[19:45:28] <NCommander> prospectacle, looks like its partially bugged (checking with my test account)
[19:46:03] <NCommander> prospectacle, the "subscribers can view" message disappears, but I can't actually view
[19:46:07] * NCommander goes to file El Bug
[19:47:50] <prospectacle> yes that's what I see
[19:48:24] <prospectacle> ooh mod points. I've never had these before, I hope I don't break them
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[19:54:11] <NCommander> prospectacle, bug filed, and I see the star on your post
[19:54:31] <prospectacle> sweet
[19:55:30] <NCommander> We should do subscriber-only posts, and call them Starmail!
[19:55:32] * NCommander ducks
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[19:57:12] <prospectacle> Makes sense. Why should those mere mortals be able to post, I always say.
[19:57:39] <TK> For those interested: USA lost to Germany 0-1, but are still going to the next round
[19:57:50] <TK> </spoilers>
[19:58:03] <prospectacle> world cup?
[19:58:06] <arti> ja
[19:58:06] <TK> yup
[19:58:20] <TK> So if you needed an excuse to start drinking...
[19:58:21] <arti> schland!
[20:00:29] <prospectacle> Australia lost 3 games straight and went home, but all the news was like "we left with our heads held high". I think we have low standards for ourselves when it comes to soccer
[20:08:41] <TK> I think it was an underhanded remark about you being in the southern hemisphere
[20:08:49] <TK> up is down, high is low
[20:09:06] <TK> But they were really reaching
[20:12:19] <NCommander> TK, wow, the US is still standing, awesome
[20:12:36] <NCommander> prospectacle, at least its not cricket, a game the commonwealth invented to confuse the rest of the world
[20:13:38] <prospectacle> yeah it's a test, like knowing which fork to use
[20:13:46] <prospectacle> that's why they call it "test cricket"
[20:14:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's easy, TheMightyBuzzard/unicode-work
[20:14:56] * TheMightyBuzzard loves a good fork joke
[20:15:04] * prospectacle gives TheMightyBuzzard an honorary cricket hat
[20:15:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, so i take the big, flat bat and knock the piss out of the ball so that it hits the other fellow in the face, yes?
[20:16:29] <prospectacle> I dunno I just live here
[20:17:13] * NCommander bowls underarm just to screw with prospectacle
[20:17:47] <prospectacle> it's basically the same as baseball. The only reason american doesn't play cricket is it was too culturally biased (british), whereas baseball evolved in american cities so it was considered inclusive. They're basically the same thing though.
[20:17:56] <prospectacle> You hit the ball and try to run lots of times before someone catches the ball and throws it back.
[20:18:02] <prospectacle> Catch it on the full and you're out
[20:18:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dunno, i could dig a game where the object was to mangle the guy pitching
[20:18:51] <prospectacle> I think you'd get good ratings
[20:19:03] <prospectacle> people are bloodthirsty, as a rule
[20:19:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. rome knew the score back in the day.
[20:20:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> feed the minorities to lions if they get to be a nuisance and they stop
[20:21:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ask Soylent: What Learning Path do you Recommend for a Linux Newbie? - http://sylnt.us - where-to-start
[20:21:21] <arti> minorities, you mean the slaves? which there were oodles of :P
[20:21:28] <prospectacle> They recently found these ancient roman dodecahedrons with different sized holes in the sides.
[20:21:46] <arti> glory dodecahedrons?
[20:21:50] <prospectacle> Someone figured out the different sizes made a good approximation of your fingers, so the objects were probably for knitting gloves.
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[20:22:02] <prospectacle> there's a video of someone using one, it's pretty clever
[20:22:50] <arti> http://www.abovetopsecret.com ?
[20:22:51] <monopoly> └ 03Has This Man Solved The Roman Dodecahedron Mystery?, page 
[20:22:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> arti, basically anyone who there weren't enough of that you had to take their objections seriously
[20:23:10] <prospectacle> thanks arti
[20:23:31] <arti> it makes sense with the little knobs
[20:24:18] <prospectacle> yeah. what will those romans think of next
[20:24:49] <arti> lead: it's not just for pipes and plates any more, now you can put it in your wine!
[20:24:56] <arti> NEW SWEETER FLAVOR
[20:25:01] <prospectacle> mmm, fortifying
[20:26:47] <prospectacle> I think it's fair to say war is less profitable over time, even for the winners if you consider how much technology and knowledge we've lost and had to regain as a result
[20:27:18] <arti> nature ~shrug~
[20:27:26] <prospectacle> it was a thousand years after rome fell before a civilisation in the west reached a similar level
[20:28:14] <arti> well, should make an assassin's creed style game where you go back and you're part of an organization where you defend the library at alexandria
[20:28:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> which was really a pretty good thing for folks in the east, middle or otherwise
[20:28:39] <prospectacle> imagine if we were a thousand years ahead right now. maybe I'd have a TV that was even bigger!
[20:29:13] <prospectacle> arti, yea that would be good. I like the differnet periods that assassin's creed tackles so intricately
[20:29:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, there'd just be a lot of zombies and no tv stations left operating.
[20:29:30] <arti> i'm sucked into blackflag at the moment
[20:29:34] <prospectacle> hmm, you make a compelling point. But maybe we'd have invented anti-zombie spray by then
[20:29:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, pirating is fuuuuun
[20:29:49] <prospectacle> or at least some kind of zombie containment field
[20:29:54] <arti> they need co-op man
[20:30:04] <arti> i'd like a minecraft style pirate thing
[20:30:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, my friends are mostly assholes that'd sink my shat.
[20:30:36] <prospectacle> what about World of PirateCraft
[20:30:49] <arti> well just run your own server and set it to ahole mode (no destruction)
[20:30:58] <prospectacle> Everyone starts with their own island and ship. It's yours if you can keep it
[20:31:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> arti, s'what i did for MC
[20:31:09] <arti> i rather like my little cove
[20:31:37] <arti> games need to have enough stuff where you can slack off with mates
[20:31:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[20:31:52] <prospectacle> yeah
[20:33:34] <prospectacle> I played a co-op board game which was a new experience. Pretty good actually.
[20:33:44] <NCommander> prospectacle, which one?
[20:33:50] <prospectacle> pandemic
[20:34:25] <prospectacle> race against the spreading viruses. Treat the viruses, build research stations, find cures, etc
[20:34:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> really more fun making games than playing them.
[20:34:58] <arti> i like dominion
[20:35:11] <arti> they've got a web version of it
[20:35:25] <prospectacle> TheMightyBuzzard, what kind do you make?
[20:36:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> me n a bud went and made a pseudo-rpg called zombie apocalypse tea party all-stars
[20:36:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> get half a dozen or so note cards with historic figures and fight off zombies with them
[20:37:00] <prospectacle> pen and paper or pixels and pointing devices?
[20:37:11] <prospectacle> cool
[20:37:12] <prospectacle> did it work?
[20:37:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> note cards and table.
[20:37:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty well, yeah. could still use some tweaking.
[20:38:14] <prospectacle> I often try to design games but they never really work. Computer ones are easy, you just need physics and good/bad collisions. But boards, cards or paper always stump me
[20:38:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> cept we ran out of historic figures pretty quick and started adding folks like oprah and andre the giant
[20:38:25] <arti> :O
[20:38:38] <prospectacle> well oprah is a well known zombie tea party member
[20:38:51] * TheMightyBuzzard nods
[20:39:17] <prospectacle> I think if you could invent a good newspaper game you could get rich
[20:39:56] <prospectacle> maybe a multi-path crossword where you get more points for taking the harder paths
[20:40:37] <prospectacle> or join the dots but it electrocutes you if you get it wrong
[20:40:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> sudoku in hexadecimal
[20:41:24] <prospectacle> nice
[20:41:24] <TK> 16x16 takes up a lot of print space
[20:41:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> be a lot harder too
[20:41:42] <prospectacle> sudoku in binary
[20:41:47] <TK> I won, I won!
[20:41:59] <TK> Hard mode: 4 empty boxes
[20:42:12] <TK> But only one acceptable answer
[20:42:47] <AndyTheAbsurd> Hey, anybody here (besides, currently, me) in upstate NY?
[20:43:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> need holographic papers so you can do 3d sudoku
[20:43:17] <prospectacle> what's that star trek chess called with the levels?
[20:43:22] <TK> 3d chess
[20:43:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> 3d chess
[20:43:37] <prospectacle> makes sense
[20:43:53] <AndyTheAbsurd> Doesn't Star Trek's 3D chess have some rarther crazy rules?
[20:44:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> no idea. never tried playing it.
[20:44:41] <prospectacle> yeah I think the characters get stuck in the game by an alien race who loves to gamble
[20:44:52] <prospectacle> oh no that's something else
[20:46:30] <prospectacle> 1d chess? the castle would finally get the respect it deserves. on the other hand the knight would fall into the abyss on its first move
[20:47:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> this totally explains why i have to tech support women more than men. http://gnodevel.ugent.be less than half of them know what a codec is.
[20:48:04] <arti> guess it depends what you're supporting
[20:48:08] * arti delt with many realtors
[20:48:59] <AndyTheAbsurd> realtors are essentially salespeople
[20:49:08] <arti> yes
[20:49:15] <arti> more sales than people
[20:49:17] <AndyTheAbsurd> and in my experience, salespeople have close to zero interest in technology
[20:49:19] <prospectacle> I haven't had that problem with my decoupage simulator
[20:49:34] <arti> "...you're not using the tech mind, you're not following the path!"
[20:49:40] <arti> ^-- awesome rant
[20:49:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> only one i didn't know was mascarpone
[20:49:54] * prospectacle had to google decoupage for the sake of that joke. I hope you're happy
[20:50:07] <prospectacle> is it a food?
[20:50:09] <arti> i also had people refer to the browser as an 'internet window'
[20:50:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> prospectacle, some sorta cheese
[20:51:02] <prospectacle> it's funny that biped and bolshevism are on the man's list
[20:51:16] <prospectacle> those are such manly pursuits
[20:51:27] <prospectacle> walking on two feet towards or away from some communists
[20:52:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> we just like saying Bolshevik cause it sounds close to bullshit.
[20:52:52] <TK> prospectale: 1d chess isn't very exciting, it always ends in a draw when the pawns meet.
[20:53:59] <prospectacle> hmm, we'll need some new pieces. Maybe you can jump.
[20:54:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i'm too old to jump
[20:54:19] <TK> Artillery
[20:54:41] <prospectacle> king is at the back, only moves one place. In front of him, a knight who can jump two places nad two only (never one), after that, a bishop who can shoot fireballs. Wait no, move thre places
[20:55:04] <prospectacle> and... go!
[20:55:37] <TK> and it still ends in a tie unless you make a serious mistake
[20:55:54] <TK> Is it called "hard solved"?
[20:55:55] <prospectacle> [k][kn][b][ ][ ][B][KN][K]
[20:56:15] <TK> [k][][b][kn ][ ][B][KN][K]
[20:56:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> it'd likely be NP hard but limited enough in scope that you could solve it in your head.
[20:56:48] <TK> We'll see after a round
[20:56:49] <prospectacle> [k][][B][kn ][ ][ ][KN][K] b
[20:56:54] <TK> I still don't know what fireballs do
[20:57:03] <prospectacle> no firreballs that was just a joke
[20:57:31] <prospectacle> uh oh check mate after your next move
[20:57:33] <TK> But the bishop can only move 3 spaces, so I'm not in check?
[20:57:41] <prospectacle> back to the drawing board
[20:57:43] <prospectacle> yes, only three
[20:57:45] <TK> lol
[20:58:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> prospectacle, leaves only two possible spots for him on the board
[20:58:03] <TK> [k][][B][ ][ ][kn ][KN][K] b
[20:58:09] <prospectacle> yeah, checkmate
[20:58:21] <prospectacle> I made a rookie mistake that many beginners of 1d chess make
[20:58:33] <TK> litterally lolling
[20:58:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> man thas harsh. you invent a game n lose the first match of it.
[20:59:06] <prospectacle> again! [k][kn][b][ ][ ][B][KN][K]
[20:59:17] <TK> I'm laughing too hard to concentrate
[20:59:19] <prospectacle> yeah I was never good at the regular kind either
[20:59:20] <TK> Buzzard, it's all you
[20:59:22] <NCommander> what the fuck
[20:59:23] <NCommander> O_o?
[20:59:38] <NCommander> arti, BTW, dominion is awesome
[20:59:52] <TK> Can we archive this whole convo in the soylent equivilant of bash.org?
[21:00:10] * NCommander notes the group I played with had a lot of fun house rules w/ setup + all (and I mean all) the expansions
[21:00:31] <NCommander> My favorite match was w/ colonies, and I managed to win by going for an all province stragety
[21:01:21] <Blackmoore> AndyTheAbsurd: I'm in buffalo
[21:02:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, something like RISK then?
[21:02:35] <TK> [k][kn][][ ][ ][b][KN][K] B
[21:02:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> Blackmoore: damn, you're on the wrong side of the state - I'm near Saratoga right now.
[21:02:43] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, honestly, I've liked RISK in general
[21:02:50] <TK> [k][kn][ ][ ][ ][b][KN][K] B
[21:02:54] <NCommander> Though I had a fucking blast when our group did an entire Risk Legacy game
[21:03:05] <prospectacle> [k][kn][][ ][KN][b][ ][K] B
[21:03:21] <NCommander> (the last match I played was absolutely nuts, with three people trying to knock me out of the game for the six coin card I had)
[21:03:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dig it myself. more often than not it comes down to who can grab themselves a NA or EU first though.
[21:04:38] <TK> [k][ ][ ][kn ][KN][b][ ][K] B
[21:04:55] <prospectacle> [k][ ][ ][kn ][KN][b][ K][ ]
[21:05:07] <prospectacle> [k][ ][ ][kn ][KN][b][K][ ] B
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[21:05:10] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v Bytram|away] by juggler
[21:05:42] <TK> [ ][k][ ][kn][KN][b][K][ ] B
[21:06:00] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[21:06:24] <Bytram> tk: that's a mighty bad cold you got there! Gesundheit!!
[21:06:33] <Bytram> =)
[21:06:43] <TK> It's Ebola
[21:06:43] <prospectacle> [ ][k][ ][kn][KN][b][ ][K] B
[21:06:44] <TK> sry
[21:06:50] <Bytram> LOL!
[21:07:28] <Bytram> TK: oh man, that was a good one... quick and only just enough snarky. thanks for the laugh!
[21:07:36] <TK> [ ][k][b][kn][KN][ ][ ][K] B
[21:08:09] <TK> If only I could apply that effort tothis project
[21:08:15] <Bytram> what *are* you trying to do? Looks like an odd game of chess with only Knights, Kings, and Bishops!
[21:08:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, 1d chess
[21:08:35] <TK> prospectacle invented a game
[21:08:38] <arti> lol
[21:08:43] <arti> 1d
[21:08:43] <TK> then lost the first match ever
[21:08:49] <arti> Wundee
[21:08:53] <prospectacle> probably the second, too
[21:09:00] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Are you kidding? I just popped in and guessed it right? !woop
[21:09:04] <TK> I dunno, I think we can standstill this one
[21:09:07] <prospectacle> [ ][k][b][kn][ ][ ][KN][K] B
[21:09:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, yup yup
[21:09:27] <prospectacle> crap
[21:09:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, ya lost another
[21:09:34] <TK> I was gonna say...
[21:09:44] * prospectacle tips his king over
[21:09:45] <TK> [ ][k][b][ ][ ][kn][KN][K] B
[21:10:00] <prospectacle> tk is the reigning champion
[21:10:07] <prospectacle> but i'll be back
[21:10:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> of the entire world even
[21:10:17] <prospectacle> yes, true
[21:10:28] <TK> I'll live in the anals of history. And that wasn't a typo
[21:10:31] * Bytram sings "We are the champions of the world"
[21:11:03] <TK> I think starting first means you automatically win
[21:11:13] <TK> I don't know if it's possible to lose by starting first
[21:11:16] <prospectacle> maybe. i'm also pretty dumb
[21:11:27] <prospectacle> also it's five in the am
[21:11:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, he could have stalemated easy enough
[21:12:18] <TK> just moving the king back and forth forever
[21:12:18] <prospectacle> i could have got your bishop but then I'd be nothing but a king against a king and a knight
[21:12:35] <prospectacle> I think it needs more than 8 spaces.
[21:12:38] <TK> Is making a move required?
[21:12:44] <prospectacle> i suppose so
[21:12:58] <prospectacle> maybe you get two passes per game or something
[21:13:02] <prospectacle> if you think that would be better
[21:13:11] <TK> You could have a pawn to start with that can move one or two spaces on its first move
[21:13:26] <TK> that would shake things up
[21:13:57] <prospectacle> hmm. yes. i'll continue the research
[21:14:23] <TK> rend some HPC time at the local particle accelerator to test all possible outcomes of one starting move
[21:14:31] <prospectacle> probably to make it easier could use numbers
[21:14:44] <TK> How do you capitalize numbers?
[21:14:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> TK, your phone could calculate 1d chess in seconds
[21:15:10] <prospectacle> [1][2][3][4][ ][ ][ ][ ][4.][3.][2.][1.]
[21:15:27] <prospectacle> or [1!][2!][3!][4!][ ][ ][ ][ ][4.][3.][2.][1.]
[21:15:33] <TK> there you go
[21:16:10] <prospectacle> no that one is no good, checkmake in two moves
[21:16:20] <TK> [1!][3!][2!][?!][ ][ ][ ][ ][?.][2.][3.][1.]
[21:16:27] <TK> interrobang ftw!
[21:16:33] <TK> question marks are pawns
[21:16:40] <TK> numbers are how many spaces they can go
[21:16:58] <prospectacle> so pawns can go one except on their first go they can go one or two?
[21:17:04] <TK> yepper
[21:17:16] <prospectacle> [1!][3!][2!][?!][ ][ ][ ][?.][ ][2.][3.][1.]
[21:17:41] <TK> [1!][3!][ !][?!][2 ][ ][ ][?.][ ][2.][3.][1.]
[21:17:53] <TK> lemme try that again
[21:18:00] <TK> [1!][3!][ ][?!][2!][ ][ ][?.][ ][2.][3.][1.]
[21:18:21] <TK> Can pawns jump in regular chess?
[21:18:33] <prospectacle> no
[21:18:38] <Bytram> TK: only en passant (sp?)
[21:18:51] <TK> the french isn't helping me out here
[21:19:01] <Bytram> oo la la!
[21:19:21] <Bytram> it's been ages, but they can't really "jump"...
[21:19:26] <prospectacle> [1!][3!][ ][?!][2!][ ][?.][ ][ ][2.][3.][1.]
[21:19:40] <TK> Can they move over a piece in front of them when they're moving their initial 2 spaces?
[21:19:55] <Bytram> but there is a move whereby a pawn can IIRC capture a pawn that tries to step past it. I never used it or saw it used.
[21:20:06] <Bytram> for this game you can make your own rules, right?
[21:20:14] <Bytram> white pawns can't jump. =)
[21:20:19] <prospectacle> lol
[21:20:22] <prospectacle> they can only move diagonally
[21:20:48] * Bytram leans his head to the side very slowly and still doesn't see how that would work
[21:21:04] <TK> [1!][3!][ ][?!][2!][ ][ ][?.][ ][2.][3.][1.]
[21:21:07] <TK> oops
[21:21:13] <TK> hang on a sec, that wasn't a move
[21:21:15] <TK> or a pass
[21:21:17] <TK> no passing
[21:21:20] <prospectacle> ok
[21:21:40] <TK> [1!][3!][ ][?!][2!][ ][ ][?.][ ][2.][3.][1.]
[21:21:44] <TK> ?!
[21:21:55] <TK> man I am messing up
[21:22:09] <TK> [1!][3!][ ][ ][2!][ ][ ][?.][ ][2.][3.][1.]
[21:22:09] <TK> ?!
[21:22:21] <TK> There, that's how he would move diagonally
[21:22:27] <prospectacle> lol
[21:22:30] <prospectacle> we've introduced another d
[21:22:47] <Bytram> hmmm, 2d or not 2d, is that the question?
[21:22:57] <TK> groan
[21:23:01] <TK> but I chuckled
[21:23:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, i've never turned down a pair of Ds in my life.
[21:23:34] <TK> [1!][3!][2!][?!][ ][ ][ ][?.][ ][2.][3.][1.]
[21:23:55] <prospectacle> was that a move?
[21:23:57] <TK> Only one other move, and that would have killed my knight
[21:24:03] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: double or nothing, huh?
[21:24:10] <TK> I'm still calling it a knight
[21:24:22] <TK> This isn't checkers, I can move backwards
[21:24:25] <TK> unless I'm a pawn
[21:25:02] <prospectacle> you've moved my pawn backwards
[21:25:11] <prospectacle> we'll need to start numbering moves, too
[21:25:23] * Bytram thinks you were not supposed to notice that
[21:25:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, i need a sammich or something
[21:25:34] <prospectacle> anyway I should sleep, it's almost time to get up.
[21:25:46] <Bytram> !grab prospectacle
[21:25:46] <Bender> Added quote 192
[21:26:02] <prospectacle> good games TK, and all
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[21:26:18] <TK> wow, I am really messing up
[21:27:03] <TK> wait, did I?
[21:27:32] <Bytram> tk it's hard enough getting the move *planned*; never mind trying to deal with the game "mechanics" of actually moving the piece.
[21:28:02] <TK> I guess I'll have to give this another go after sleeping on it
[21:28:32] <Bytram> !c1d 2++ would be a command to the "Chess in 1 Dimennsion" server that you want to move your number "2" piece two (++) spaces to the right.
[21:29:19] <TK> I was thinking of a notepad++ plugin that recognizes 1d chess syntax and makes it easy to select pieces
[21:29:25] <Bytram> !c1d 2+ would be a command to the "Chess in 1 Dimennsion" server that you want to move that piece to the right
[21:29:43] <Bytram> !c1d 3- would be a command to the "Chess in 1 Dimennsion" server that you want to move that piece to the left (3 places)
[21:30:23] <TK> It would more likely be !cd b+ or !cd kn-
[21:30:39] <TK> bishops and knights can only move 3 or 2 spaces at a time, respectively
[21:30:42] <Bytram> nod nod
[21:31:08] <TK> But you would need !cd p++ and !cd p+
[21:32:18] <Bytram> why are bishops limited in the number of spaces they can move? In chess, I could move one up to 8 squares, space permitting.
[21:33:01] <TK> If you don't like the rules, why don't you make your own one-dimension chess?
[21:33:41] <Bytram> was just wondering is all. I can in later after you created the rules and was just wondering what the justification was; that's all!
[21:33:43] <TK> Prospectal made the rules, I think it was to spice it up
[21:33:50] <Bytram> ah.
[21:34:56] <TK> It was because knights and bishops would be useless in 1d chess, so they needed something
[21:35:12] <TK> so that rooks wouldn't just dominate
[21:35:40] <Bytram> hmmm, okay. Wait. I didn't see any rooks or did I miss that?
[21:37:37] <Bytram> just realized that others may have thought along these lines; a quick search revealed: http://www.chessvariants.org
[21:39:34] <TK> nope, can't look at prior art, then I can't patent it
[21:39:49] * Bytram shields TK's gaze
[21:39:55] <Bytram> nvm then
[21:41:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Amateur Astronomers Amassed Into Virtual Telescope Array - http://sylnt.us - alliteration-is-hard
[21:43:50] <Bytram> afk
[21:56:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> book time for me. need slash outa my brain for a while.
[21:57:33] <TK> enjoy
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[22:02:09] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: enjoy your book!
[22:02:17] <Bytram> and it's nap time for me
[22:02:21] <Bytram> laters everyone!
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[22:37:44] <Blackmoore> and it's painkiller time for me.. (god damn cubicle farm)
[22:37:53] <arti> you can play games there?
[22:38:12] <arti> http://www.metacritic.com
[22:38:12] <monopoly> └ 03403 Forbidden
[22:38:17] <Blackmoore> not supposed to. to be honest it's stipid busy.
[22:38:44] * arti salutes
[22:38:47] <arti> fire drills?
[22:40:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Amateur Astronomers Amass Virtual Telescope Array - http://sylnt.us - alliteration-is-hard
[22:49:55] <Blackmoore> plenty of them.
[22:50:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Australian Police Confiscate Pastafarian Man's Guns Because He Posed For His ID Wearing A Colander: - http://sylnt.us - in-a-lighter-vein
[23:05:24] * NCommander is tired again
[23:05:25] <NCommander> ARGH
[23:05:29] <NCommander> Fucking hate having sleep problems
[23:12:44] <SirFinkus> sleep is annoying, I wish I could just choose which 8 hours in a day to do it
[23:19:14] <arti> you suffer from narcolepsy?
[23:19:35] <arti> "oh sweet, i'm next to order in the drive thru!" [ wakes up to honking ]
[23:19:41] <arti> you could just be a drunk
[23:20:26] <SirFinkus> no, I mean I could just say "oh, I have 30 minutes free, I'll just take 30 minutes of sleep now" and sleep 30 minutes, wake up, and be refreshed
[23:20:40] <SirFinkus> instead of needing it in one chunk at the same time every day
[23:22:07] <Blackmoore> would be nice.
[23:22:51] * NCommander notes its somewhat shocking on how little traffic we get from referrals
[23:23:54] <NCommander> 15706 direct entries , 89% of visits
[23:25:20] <NCommander> What the shit
[23:25:21] <NCommander> http://www.jecsw.com
[23:25:27] <NCommander> ^- the slashdot link goes to SN
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[23:41:47] <chromas> That's funny. Not the Mobile link, though.
[23:44:20] <Blackmoore> thats a win there..
[23:44:53] <Blackmoore> we aought to get someone to start sending in submissins to slash that link beack to us :)
[23:45:09] <NCommander> Blackmoore, ?
[23:45:29] <NCommander> I need to stop looking at our (realy tiny) referal logs
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