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[23:45:29] <NCommander> I need to stop looking at our (realy tiny) referal logs
[23:45:09] <NCommander> Blackmoore, ?
[23:44:53] <Blackmoore> we aought to get someone to start sending in submissins to slash that link beack to us :)
[23:44:20] <Blackmoore> thats a win there..
[23:41:47] <chromas> That's funny. Not the Mobile link, though.
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[23:25:27] <NCommander> ^- the slashdot link goes to SN
[23:25:21] <NCommander> http://www.jecsw.com
[23:25:20] <NCommander> What the shit
[23:23:54] <NCommander> 15706 direct entries , 89% of visits
[23:22:51] * NCommander notes its somewhat shocking on how little traffic we get from referrals
[23:22:07] <Blackmoore> would be nice.
[23:20:40] <SirFinkus> instead of needing it in one chunk at the same time every day
[23:20:26] <SirFinkus> no, I mean I could just say "oh, I have 30 minutes free, I'll just take 30 minutes of sleep now" and sleep 30 minutes, wake up, and be refreshed
[23:19:41] <arti> you could just be a drunk
[23:19:35] <arti> "oh sweet, i'm next to order in the drive thru!" [ wakes up to honking ]
[23:19:14] <arti> you suffer from narcolepsy?
[23:12:44] <SirFinkus> sleep is annoying, I wish I could just choose which 8 hours in a day to do it
[23:05:29] <NCommander> Fucking hate having sleep problems
[23:05:25] <NCommander> ARGH
[23:05:24] * NCommander is tired again
[22:50:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Australian Police Confiscate Pastafarian Man's Guns Because He Posed For His ID Wearing A Colander: - http://sylnt.us - in-a-lighter-vein
[22:49:55] <Blackmoore> plenty of them.
[22:40:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Amateur Astronomers Amass Virtual Telescope Array - http://sylnt.us - alliteration-is-hard
[22:38:47] <arti> fire drills?
[22:38:44] * arti salutes
[22:38:17] <Blackmoore> not supposed to. to be honest it's stipid busy.
[22:38:12] <monopoly> └ 03403 Forbidden
[22:38:12] <arti> http://www.metacritic.com
[22:37:53] <arti> you can play games there?
[22:37:44] <Blackmoore> and it's painkiller time for me.. (god damn cubicle farm)
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[22:02:21] <Bytram> laters everyone!
[22:02:17] <Bytram> and it's nap time for me
[22:02:09] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: enjoy your book!
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[21:57:33] <TK> enjoy
[21:56:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> book time for me. need slash outa my brain for a while.
[21:43:50] <Bytram> afk
[21:41:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Amateur Astronomers Amassed Into Virtual Telescope Array - http://sylnt.us - alliteration-is-hard
[21:39:55] <Bytram> nvm then
[21:39:49] * Bytram shields TK's gaze
[21:39:34] <TK> nope, can't look at prior art, then I can't patent it
[21:37:37] <Bytram> just realized that others may have thought along these lines; a quick search revealed: http://www.chessvariants.org
[21:35:40] <Bytram> hmmm, okay. Wait. I didn't see any rooks or did I miss that?
[21:35:12] <TK> so that rooks wouldn't just dominate
[21:34:56] <TK> It was because knights and bishops would be useless in 1d chess, so they needed something
[21:33:50] <Bytram> ah.
[21:33:43] <TK> Prospectal made the rules, I think it was to spice it up
[21:33:41] <Bytram> was just wondering is all. I can in later after you created the rules and was just wondering what the justification was; that's all!
[21:33:01] <TK> If you don't like the rules, why don't you make your own one-dimension chess?
[21:32:18] <Bytram> why are bishops limited in the number of spaces they can move? In chess, I could move one up to 8 squares, space permitting.
[21:31:08] <TK> But you would need !cd p++ and !cd p+
[21:30:42] <Bytram> nod nod
[21:30:39] <TK> bishops and knights can only move 3 or 2 spaces at a time, respectively
[21:30:23] <TK> It would more likely be !cd b+ or !cd kn-
[21:29:43] <Bytram> !c1d 3- would be a command to the "Chess in 1 Dimennsion" server that you want to move that piece to the left (3 places)
[21:29:25] <Bytram> !c1d 2+ would be a command to the "Chess in 1 Dimennsion" server that you want to move that piece to the right
[21:29:19] <TK> I was thinking of a notepad++ plugin that recognizes 1d chess syntax and makes it easy to select pieces
[21:28:32] <Bytram> !c1d 2++ would be a command to the "Chess in 1 Dimennsion" server that you want to move your number "2" piece two (++) spaces to the right.
[21:28:02] <TK> I guess I'll have to give this another go after sleeping on it
[21:27:32] <Bytram> tk it's hard enough getting the move *planned*; never mind trying to deal with the game "mechanics" of actually moving the piece.
[21:27:03] <TK> wait, did I?
[21:26:18] <TK> wow, I am really messing up
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[21:26:02] <prospectacle> good games TK, and all
[21:25:46] <Bender> Added quote 192
[21:25:46] <Bytram> !grab prospectacle
[21:25:34] <prospectacle> anyway I should sleep, it's almost time to get up.
[21:25:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, i need a sammich or something
[21:25:23] * Bytram thinks you were not supposed to notice that
[21:25:11] <prospectacle> we'll need to start numbering moves, too
[21:25:02] <prospectacle> you've moved my pawn backwards
[21:24:25] <TK> unless I'm a pawn
[21:24:22] <TK> This isn't checkers, I can move backwards
[21:24:10] <TK> I'm still calling it a knight
[21:24:03] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: double or nothing, huh?
[21:23:57] <TK> Only one other move, and that would have killed my knight
[21:23:55] <prospectacle> was that a move?
[21:23:34] <TK> [1!][3!][2!][?!][ ][ ][ ][?.][ ][2.][3.][1.]
[21:23:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, i've never turned down a pair of Ds in my life.
[21:23:01] <TK> but I chuckled
[21:22:57] <TK> groan
[21:22:47] <Bytram> hmmm, 2d or not 2d, is that the question?
[21:22:30] <prospectacle> we've introduced another d
[21:22:27] <prospectacle> lol
[21:22:21] <TK> There, that's how he would move diagonally
[21:22:09] <TK> ?!
[21:22:09] <TK> [1!][3!][ ][ ][2!][ ][ ][?.][ ][2.][3.][1.]
[21:21:55] <TK> man I am messing up
[21:21:44] <TK> ?!
[21:21:40] <TK> [1!][3!][ ][?!][2!][ ][ ][?.][ ][2.][3.][1.]
[21:21:20] <prospectacle> ok
[21:21:17] <TK> no passing
[21:21:15] <TK> or a pass
[21:21:13] <TK> hang on a sec, that wasn't a move
[21:21:07] <TK> oops
[21:21:04] <TK> [1!][3!][ ][?!][2!][ ][ ][?.][ ][2.][3.][1.]
[21:20:48] * Bytram leans his head to the side very slowly and still doesn't see how that would work
[21:20:22] <prospectacle> they can only move diagonally
[21:20:19] <prospectacle> lol
[21:20:14] <Bytram> white pawns can't jump. =)
[21:20:06] <Bytram> for this game you can make your own rules, right?
[21:19:55] <Bytram> but there is a move whereby a pawn can IIRC capture a pawn that tries to step past it. I never used it or saw it used.
[21:19:40] <TK> Can they move over a piece in front of them when they're moving their initial 2 spaces?
[21:19:26] <prospectacle> [1!][3!][ ][?!][2!][ ][?.][ ][ ][2.][3.][1.]
[21:19:21] <Bytram> it's been ages, but they can't really "jump"...
[21:19:01] <Bytram> oo la la!
[21:18:51] <TK> the french isn't helping me out here
[21:18:38] <Bytram> TK: only en passant (sp?)
[21:18:33] <prospectacle> no
[21:18:21] <TK> Can pawns jump in regular chess?
[21:18:00] <TK> [1!][3!][ ][?!][2!][ ][ ][?.][ ][2.][3.][1.]
[21:17:53] <TK> lemme try that again
[21:17:41] <TK> [1!][3!][ !][?!][2 ][ ][ ][?.][ ][2.][3.][1.]
[21:17:16] <prospectacle> [1!][3!][2!][?!][ ][ ][ ][?.][ ][2.][3.][1.]
[21:17:04] <TK> yepper
[21:16:58] <prospectacle> so pawns can go one except on their first go they can go one or two?
[21:16:40] <TK> numbers are how many spaces they can go
[21:16:33] <TK> question marks are pawns
[21:16:27] <TK> interrobang ftw!
[21:16:20] <TK> [1!][3!][2!][?!][ ][ ][ ][ ][?.][2.][3.][1.]
[21:16:10] <prospectacle> no that one is no good, checkmake in two moves
[21:15:33] <TK> there you go
[21:15:27] <prospectacle> or [1!][2!][3!][4!][ ][ ][ ][ ][4.][3.][2.][1.]
[21:15:10] <prospectacle> [1][2][3][4][ ][ ][ ][ ][4.][3.][2.][1.]
[21:14:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> TK, your phone could calculate 1d chess in seconds
[21:14:44] <TK> How do you capitalize numbers?
[21:14:31] <prospectacle> probably to make it easier could use numbers
[21:14:23] <TK> rend some HPC time at the local particle accelerator to test all possible outcomes of one starting move
[21:13:57] <prospectacle> hmm. yes. i'll continue the research
[21:13:26] <TK> that would shake things up
[21:13:11] <TK> You could have a pawn to start with that can move one or two spaces on its first move
[21:13:02] <prospectacle> if you think that would be better
[21:12:58] <prospectacle> maybe you get two passes per game or something
[21:12:44] <prospectacle> i suppose so
[21:12:38] <TK> Is making a move required?
[21:12:35] <prospectacle> I think it needs more than 8 spaces.
[21:12:18] <prospectacle> i could have got your bishop but then I'd be nothing but a king against a king and a knight
[21:12:18] <TK> just moving the king back and forth forever
[21:11:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, he could have stalemated easy enough
[21:11:27] <prospectacle> also it's five in the am
[21:11:16] <prospectacle> maybe. i'm also pretty dumb
[21:11:13] <TK> I don't know if it's possible to lose by starting first
[21:11:03] <TK> I think starting first means you automatically win
[21:10:31] * Bytram sings "We are the champions of the world"
[21:10:28] <TK> I'll live in the anals of history. And that wasn't a typo
[21:10:17] <prospectacle> yes, true
[21:10:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> of the entire world even
[21:10:07] <prospectacle> but i'll be back
[21:10:00] <prospectacle> tk is the reigning champion
[21:09:45] <TK> [ ][k][b][ ][ ][kn][KN][K] B
[21:09:44] * prospectacle tips his king over
[21:09:34] <TK> I was gonna say...
[21:09:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, ya lost another
[21:09:27] <prospectacle> crap
[21:09:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, yup yup
[21:09:07] <prospectacle> [ ][k][b][kn][ ][ ][KN][K] B
[21:09:04] <TK> I dunno, I think we can standstill this one
[21:09:00] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Are you kidding? I just popped in and guessed it right? !woop
[21:08:53] <prospectacle> probably the second, too
[21:08:49] <arti> Wundee
[21:08:43] <TK> then lost the first match ever
[21:08:43] <arti> 1d
[21:08:38] <arti> lol
[21:08:35] <TK> prospectacle invented a game
[21:08:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, 1d chess
[21:08:15] <Bytram> what *are* you trying to do? Looks like an odd game of chess with only Knights, Kings, and Bishops!
[21:08:09] <TK> If only I could apply that effort tothis project
[21:07:36] <TK> [ ][k][b][kn][KN][ ][ ][K] B
[21:07:28] <Bytram> TK: oh man, that was a good one... quick and only just enough snarky. thanks for the laugh!
[21:06:50] <Bytram> LOL!
[21:06:44] <TK> sry
[21:06:43] <prospectacle> [ ][k][ ][kn][KN][b][ ][K] B
[21:06:43] <TK> It's Ebola
[21:06:33] <Bytram> =)
[21:06:24] <Bytram> tk: that's a mighty bad cold you got there! Gesundheit!!
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[21:05:42] <TK> [ ][k][ ][kn][KN][b][K][ ] B
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[21:05:07] <prospectacle> [k][ ][ ][kn ][KN][b][K][ ] B
[21:04:55] <prospectacle> [k][ ][ ][kn ][KN][b][ K][ ]
[21:04:38] <TK> [k][ ][ ][kn ][KN][b][ ][K] B
[21:03:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dig it myself. more often than not it comes down to who can grab themselves a NA or EU first though.
[21:03:21] <NCommander> (the last match I played was absolutely nuts, with three people trying to knock me out of the game for the six coin card I had)
[21:03:05] <prospectacle> [k][kn][][ ][KN][b][ ][K] B
[21:02:54] <NCommander> Though I had a fucking blast when our group did an entire Risk Legacy game
[21:02:50] <TK> [k][kn][ ][ ][ ][b][KN][K] B
[21:02:43] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, honestly, I've liked RISK in general
[21:02:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> Blackmoore: damn, you're on the wrong side of the state - I'm near Saratoga right now.
[21:02:35] <TK> [k][kn][][ ][ ][b][KN][K] B
[21:02:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, something like RISK then?
[21:01:21] <Blackmoore> AndyTheAbsurd: I'm in buffalo
[21:00:31] <NCommander> My favorite match was w/ colonies, and I managed to win by going for an all province stragety
[21:00:10] * NCommander notes the group I played with had a lot of fun house rules w/ setup + all (and I mean all) the expansions
[20:59:52] <TK> Can we archive this whole convo in the soylent equivilant of bash.org?
[20:59:38] <NCommander> arti, BTW, dominion is awesome
[20:59:23] <NCommander> O_o?
[20:59:22] <NCommander> what the fuck
[20:59:20] <TK> Buzzard, it's all you
[20:59:19] <prospectacle> yeah I was never good at the regular kind either
[20:59:17] <TK> I'm laughing too hard to concentrate
[20:59:06] <prospectacle> again! [k][kn][b][ ][ ][B][KN][K]
[20:58:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> man thas harsh. you invent a game n lose the first match of it.
[20:58:33] <TK> litterally lolling
[20:58:21] <prospectacle> I made a rookie mistake that many beginners of 1d chess make
[20:58:09] <prospectacle> yeah, checkmate
[20:58:03] <TK> [k][][B][ ][ ][kn ][KN][K] b
[20:58:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> prospectacle, leaves only two possible spots for him on the board
[20:57:45] <TK> lol
[20:57:43] <prospectacle> yes, only three
[20:57:41] <prospectacle> back to the drawing board
[20:57:33] <TK> But the bishop can only move 3 spaces, so I'm not in check?
[20:57:31] <prospectacle> uh oh check mate after your next move
[20:57:03] <prospectacle> no firreballs that was just a joke
[20:56:54] <TK> I still don't know what fireballs do
[20:56:49] <prospectacle> [k][][B][kn ][ ][ ][KN][K] b
[20:56:48] <TK> We'll see after a round
[20:56:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> it'd likely be NP hard but limited enough in scope that you could solve it in your head.
[20:56:15] <TK> [k][][b][kn ][ ][B][KN][K]
[20:55:55] <prospectacle> [k][kn][b][ ][ ][B][KN][K]
[20:55:54] <TK> Is it called "hard solved"?
[20:55:37] <TK> and it still ends in a tie unless you make a serious mistake
[20:55:04] <prospectacle> and... go!
[20:54:41] <prospectacle> king is at the back, only moves one place. In front of him, a knight who can jump two places nad two only (never one), after that, a bishop who can shoot fireballs. Wait no, move thre places
[20:54:19] <TK> Artillery
[20:54:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i'm too old to jump
[20:53:59] <prospectacle> hmm, we'll need some new pieces. Maybe you can jump.
[20:52:52] <TK> prospectale: 1d chess isn't very exciting, it always ends in a draw when the pawns meet.
[20:52:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> we just like saying Bolshevik cause it sounds close to bullshit.
[20:51:27] <prospectacle> walking on two feet towards or away from some communists
[20:51:16] <prospectacle> those are such manly pursuits
[20:51:02] <prospectacle> it's funny that biped and bolshevism are on the man's list
[20:50:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> prospectacle, some sorta cheese
[20:50:09] <arti> i also had people refer to the browser as an 'internet window'
[20:50:07] <prospectacle> is it a food?
[20:49:54] * prospectacle had to google decoupage for the sake of that joke. I hope you're happy
[20:49:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> only one i didn't know was mascarpone
[20:49:40] <arti> ^-- awesome rant
[20:49:34] <arti> "...you're not using the tech mind, you're not following the path!"
[20:49:19] <prospectacle> I haven't had that problem with my decoupage simulator
[20:49:17] <AndyTheAbsurd> and in my experience, salespeople have close to zero interest in technology
[20:49:15] <arti> more sales than people
[20:49:08] <arti> yes
[20:48:59] <AndyTheAbsurd> realtors are essentially salespeople
[20:48:08] * arti delt with many realtors
[20:48:04] <arti> guess it depends what you're supporting
[20:47:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> this totally explains why i have to tech support women more than men. http://gnodevel.ugent.be less than half of them know what a codec is.
[20:46:30] <prospectacle> 1d chess? the castle would finally get the respect it deserves. on the other hand the knight would fall into the abyss on its first move
[20:44:52] <prospectacle> oh no that's something else
[20:44:41] <prospectacle> yeah I think the characters get stuck in the game by an alien race who loves to gamble
[20:44:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> no idea. never tried playing it.
[20:43:53] <AndyTheAbsurd> Doesn't Star Trek's 3D chess have some rarther crazy rules?
[20:43:37] <prospectacle> makes sense
[20:43:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> 3d chess
[20:43:22] <TK> 3d chess
[20:43:17] <prospectacle> what's that star trek chess called with the levels?
[20:43:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> need holographic papers so you can do 3d sudoku
[20:42:47] <AndyTheAbsurd> Hey, anybody here (besides, currently, me) in upstate NY?
[20:42:12] <TK> But only one acceptable answer
[20:41:59] <TK> Hard mode: 4 empty boxes
[20:41:47] <TK> I won, I won!
[20:41:42] <prospectacle> sudoku in binary
[20:41:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> be a lot harder too
[20:41:24] <TK> 16x16 takes up a lot of print space
[20:41:24] <prospectacle> nice
[20:40:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> sudoku in hexadecimal
[20:40:37] <prospectacle> or join the dots but it electrocutes you if you get it wrong
[20:39:56] <prospectacle> maybe a multi-path crossword where you get more points for taking the harder paths
[20:39:17] <prospectacle> I think if you could invent a good newspaper game you could get rich
[20:38:51] * TheMightyBuzzard nods
[20:38:38] <prospectacle> well oprah is a well known zombie tea party member
[20:38:25] <arti> :O
[20:38:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> cept we ran out of historic figures pretty quick and started adding folks like oprah and andre the giant
[20:38:14] <prospectacle> I often try to design games but they never really work. Computer ones are easy, you just need physics and good/bad collisions. But boards, cards or paper always stump me
[20:37:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty well, yeah. could still use some tweaking.
[20:37:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> note cards and table.
[20:37:12] <prospectacle> did it work?
[20:37:11] <prospectacle> cool
[20:37:00] <prospectacle> pen and paper or pixels and pointing devices?
[20:36:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> get half a dozen or so note cards with historic figures and fight off zombies with them
[20:36:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> me n a bud went and made a pseudo-rpg called zombie apocalypse tea party all-stars
[20:35:25] <prospectacle> TheMightyBuzzard, what kind do you make?
[20:35:11] <arti> they've got a web version of it
[20:34:58] <arti> i like dominion
[20:34:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> really more fun making games than playing them.
[20:34:25] <prospectacle> race against the spreading viruses. Treat the viruses, build research stations, find cures, etc
[20:33:50] <prospectacle> pandemic
[20:33:44] <NCommander> prospectacle, which one?
[20:33:34] <prospectacle> I played a co-op board game which was a new experience. Pretty good actually.
[20:31:52] <prospectacle> yeah
[20:31:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[20:31:37] <arti> games need to have enough stuff where you can slack off with mates
[20:31:09] <arti> i rather like my little cove
[20:31:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> arti, s'what i did for MC
[20:30:58] <prospectacle> Everyone starts with their own island and ship. It's yours if you can keep it
[20:30:49] <arti> well just run your own server and set it to ahole mode (no destruction)
[20:30:36] <prospectacle> what about World of PirateCraft
[20:30:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, my friends are mostly assholes that'd sink my shat.
[20:30:04] <arti> i'd like a minecraft style pirate thing
[20:29:54] <arti> they need co-op man
[20:29:49] <prospectacle> or at least some kind of zombie containment field
[20:29:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, pirating is fuuuuun
[20:29:34] <prospectacle> hmm, you make a compelling point. But maybe we'd have invented anti-zombie spray by then
[20:29:30] <arti> i'm sucked into blackflag at the moment
[20:29:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, there'd just be a lot of zombies and no tv stations left operating.
[20:29:13] <prospectacle> arti, yea that would be good. I like the differnet periods that assassin's creed tackles so intricately
[20:28:39] <prospectacle> imagine if we were a thousand years ahead right now. maybe I'd have a TV that was even bigger!
[20:28:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> which was really a pretty good thing for folks in the east, middle or otherwise
[20:28:14] <arti> well, should make an assassin's creed style game where you go back and you're part of an organization where you defend the library at alexandria
[20:27:26] <prospectacle> it was a thousand years after rome fell before a civilisation in the west reached a similar level
[20:27:18] <arti> nature ~shrug~
[20:26:47] <prospectacle> I think it's fair to say war is less profitable over time, even for the winners if you consider how much technology and knowledge we've lost and had to regain as a result
[20:25:01] <prospectacle> mmm, fortifying
[20:24:56] <arti> NEW SWEETER FLAVOR
[20:24:49] <arti> lead: it's not just for pipes and plates any more, now you can put it in your wine!
[20:24:18] <prospectacle> yeah. what will those romans think of next
[20:23:31] <arti> it makes sense with the little knobs
[20:23:10] <prospectacle> thanks arti
[20:22:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> arti, basically anyone who there weren't enough of that you had to take their objections seriously
[20:22:51] <monopoly> └ 03Has This Man Solved The Roman Dodecahedron Mystery?, page
[20:22:50] <arti> http://www.abovetopsecret.com ?
[20:22:02] <prospectacle> there's a video of someone using one, it's pretty clever
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[20:21:50] <prospectacle> Someone figured out the different sizes made a good approximation of your fingers, so the objects were probably for knitting gloves.
[20:21:46] <arti> glory dodecahedrons?
[20:21:28] <prospectacle> They recently found these ancient roman dodecahedrons with different sized holes in the sides.
[20:21:21] <arti> minorities, you mean the slaves? which there were oodles of :P
[20:21:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ask Soylent: What Learning Path do you Recommend for a Linux Newbie? - http://sylnt.us - where-to-start
[20:20:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> feed the minorities to lions if they get to be a nuisance and they stop
[20:19:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. rome knew the score back in the day.
[20:19:03] <prospectacle> people are bloodthirsty, as a rule
[20:18:51] <prospectacle> I think you'd get good ratings
[20:18:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dunno, i could dig a game where the object was to mangle the guy pitching
[20:18:02] <prospectacle> Catch it on the full and you're out
[20:17:56] <prospectacle> You hit the ball and try to run lots of times before someone catches the ball and throws it back.
[20:17:47] <prospectacle> it's basically the same as baseball. The only reason american doesn't play cricket is it was too culturally biased (british), whereas baseball evolved in american cities so it was considered inclusive. They're basically the same thing though.
[20:17:13] * NCommander bowls underarm just to screw with prospectacle
[20:16:29] <prospectacle> I dunno I just live here
[20:15:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, so i take the big, flat bat and knock the piss out of the ball so that it hits the other fellow in the face, yes?
[20:15:04] * prospectacle gives TheMightyBuzzard an honorary cricket hat
[20:14:56] * TheMightyBuzzard loves a good fork joke
[20:14:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's easy, TheMightyBuzzard/unicode-work
[20:13:46] <prospectacle> that's why they call it "test cricket"
[20:13:38] <prospectacle> yeah it's a test, like knowing which fork to use
[20:12:36] <NCommander> prospectacle, at least its not cricket, a game the commonwealth invented to confuse the rest of the world
[20:12:19] <NCommander> TK, wow, the US is still standing, awesome
[20:09:06] <TK> But they were really reaching
[20:08:49] <TK> up is down, high is low
[20:08:41] <TK> I think it was an underhanded remark about you being in the southern hemisphere
[20:00:29] <prospectacle> Australia lost 3 games straight and went home, but all the news was like "we left with our heads held high". I think we have low standards for ourselves when it comes to soccer
[19:58:21] <arti> schland!
[19:58:20] <TK> So if you needed an excuse to start drinking...
[19:58:06] <TK> yup
[19:58:06] <arti> ja
[19:58:03] <prospectacle> world cup?
[19:57:50] <TK> </spoilers>
[19:57:39] <TK> For those interested: USA lost to Germany 0-1, but are still going to the next round
[19:57:12] <prospectacle> Makes sense. Why should those mere mortals be able to post, I always say.
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[19:55:32] * NCommander ducks
[19:55:30] <NCommander> We should do subscriber-only posts, and call them Starmail!
[19:54:31] <prospectacle> sweet
[19:54:11] <NCommander> prospectacle, bug filed, and I see the star on your post
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[19:48:24] <prospectacle> ooh mod points. I've never had these before, I hope I don't break them
[19:47:50] <prospectacle> yes that's what I see
[19:46:07] * NCommander goes to file El Bug
[19:46:03] <NCommander> prospectacle, the "subscribers can view" message disappears, but I can't actually view
[19:45:28] <NCommander> prospectacle, looks like its partially bugged (checking with my test account)
[19:45:08] <prospectacle> NCommander, looks like i can only see comments back to june 20
[19:43:19] <monopoly> └ 03VLM - SoylentNews User
[19:43:18] <NCommander> paulej72, http://soylentnews.org - when did we break user pages? :-/ (Firefox/private browsing)
[19:41:04] <arti> schande
[19:41:02] <monopoly> └ 03NCommander - SoylentNews User
[19:41:00] <NCommander> prospectacle, BTW, can you see my full comment history now: http://soylentnews.org
[19:40:55] <arti> :(
[19:40:38] <arti> prospectacle: wear it on your left arm
[19:40:33] <prospectacle> oh i will
[19:40:29] <NCommander> arti, no, SN test subs
[19:40:21] <NCommander> prospectacle, enjoy your pretty star
[19:40:15] <arti> are these for the browser mmo
[19:39:49] <prospectacle> legend!
[19:39:40] * NCommander hands one to prospectacle
[19:39:35] <arti> test subscriptions
[19:39:31] * arti o.o
[19:39:28] <prospectacle> can I have one? I'll cherish it with due awe and reverence
[19:39:01] <NCommander> (run!)
[19:38:56] * NCommander is handing out alpha test subscriptions since I'm in a GOOD mood :-)
[19:38:09] <prospectacle> re: tipping good stories: what's the rules about competitions/prizes? I think in many jurisdications if the prize is low (<$5000), you don't need permission. So maybe you need to subscribe to be eligible, and that's like entering a competition (Dunno, just brainstorming).
[19:34:24] <prospectacle> lol
[19:33:50] <arti> i like this
[19:33:08] <NCommander> Which gives you a bridge and a dictionary
[19:33:03] <NCommander> To get a bridge, you have to buy an abridged dictionary, then take it to the Untinkerer (which takes items apart)
[19:32:44] <NCommander> One puzzle requires you to find a bridge
[19:32:37] <NCommander> Its notable for its wordplay
[19:32:37] * arti glances around for ethanol
[19:32:26] <NCommander> arti, I dunno, I think we're full of nuts
[19:32:25] <arti> that's neat
[19:32:12] <NCommander> prospectacle, browser based MMOG
[19:30:15] <prospectacle> later
[19:29:43] <SirFinkus> soyanara
[19:29:40] <SirFinkus> well, I'm going afk for a while
[19:29:21] <prospectacle> what's kingdom of loathing?
[19:28:35] * arti golf claps
[19:28:26] <arti> lets not be pasty
[19:28:24] <prospectacle> probably it's bed time. when I next Stir it will by Fry day
[19:27:55] <SirFinkus> I didn't mean to be curd with you
[19:27:32] <arti> so you can be the punisher?
[19:27:31] <prospectacle> guess I can't use my noodle
[19:27:24] <SirFinkus> I just wanted to make more puns
[19:27:06] <arti> well this place does turn fruits into vegetables
[19:27:05] <prospectacle> lol it's 330am I'm not much of anything
[19:26:23] <SirFinkus> I take it by your soylence you aren't very quick on your feet?
[19:25:46] <prospectacle> damn
[19:25:36] <SirFinkus> in any case, it's bean fun
[19:24:56] <prospectacle> i got nothin
[19:22:25] <NCommander> I dunno, I think the ends justify the meats
[19:22:13] * SirFinkus has had just about enough of this tofullery
[19:22:13] <NCommander> prospectacle, someone been playing kingdom of loathing
[19:21:46] * SirFinkus groans
[19:20:27] <prospectacle> or saucery, am i right
[19:20:15] <prospectacle> yeah some people know how to magically turn bean curd into food. I think it's a kind of sorcery
[19:19:36] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm making sure we have no remaining blockers for incorporation, but if we're good, then the business side of it should be up next week
[19:19:05] <NCommander> paulej72, that shouldn't be hard to do
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[19:18:24] * NCommander actually sat their during initial golive eatig tofu
[19:18:15] <NCommander> Amazing garlic tofu
[19:18:09] <NCommander> Stupidly cheap, and stupidly good
[19:18:04] <NCommander> I knew this amazing vegetarian place in Panama ;.;
[19:16:50] <prospectacle> they have some eastern magic
[19:16:37] * prospectacle hungry just thinking about it
[19:16:09] <prospectacle> yeah i was surprised, Now I go there almost every week
[19:15:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> is there such a thing as a good vegan place? sounds pretty dubious to me.
[19:12:33] <prospectacle> I found this good vegan place (I'm not a vegan), makes good fake duck, fake pork. yum
[19:11:51] <prospectacle> wow
[19:09:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> there ya go
[19:09:03] <SirFinkus> pretty much e-peen, but whatever
[19:08:54] <SirFinkus> maybe voice in irc as a perk?
[19:08:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> ate szchewan chicken and/or beef for lunch every day for over a year once
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[19:07:59] <prospectacle> yep
[19:07:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> as well you should. chinese food is delicious.
[19:07:36] <prospectacle> I spent more on chinese food yesterday
[19:07:19] <prospectacle> i will subscribe for $20 right now. I have faith I'll end up getting something for it.
[19:05:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> prospectacle, nod nod.
[19:04:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> run it once a day instead of having to look up their end of subscription date every page load.
[19:03:49] <prospectacle> could just make subscriptions award you the *promise* of new features first (or in some cases, exclusively). Then the new features wouldn't have to exist (or be precisely defined) yet, to start accepting payment
[19:03:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> accounts maintenance prolly should be in slashdev
[19:02:41] <paulej72> subscriber stuff. Need to switch it from per page view to time based
[19:02:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, subscriber stuff or we back to talking unicode?
[19:01:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - USPTO Not Excluding Software and Business Method Patents per se in View of Alice - http://sylnt.us - matter-of-interpretation
[19:01:29] <paulej72> Now we just need to mod the code to make it all work :)
[18:51:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Students Aim to Send Time Capsules to Mars by 2017 - http://sylnt.us - challenge-accepted
[18:49:04] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4489, owned by JoelTheSuperior
[18:49:04] <Tachyon> !uid
[18:43:35] <prospectacle> subscriber features are secondary and can be added and modified over time. for many of us it's a glorified donation
[18:42:24] <prospectacle> $20/yr++
[18:34:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> nifty
[18:33:57] <prospectacle> anyway it has a second drug in it.
[18:32:57] <prospectacle> true that
[18:32:46] <prospectacle> yeah it's much weaker
[18:32:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> then i'd mostly feel like i have to pee
[18:32:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> not really. it'd have to be ~3x as much tea as i drink coffee
[18:31:43] <prospectacle> makes sense. have you noticed how it makes you feel calmer than equiv. caffeine from coffee?
[18:30:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mostly drink tea after lunch, just to cut down on overall caffeine intake.
[18:27:28] <prospectacle> or do whatever
[18:27:22] <prospectacle> drink tea every second time, it has theanine, combines well with caffeine
[18:26:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> i need more coffee
[18:26:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> USNR
[18:24:00] <prospectacle> Vive la République!
[18:19:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, can't bitch about meta if you're wanting your voice heard on shat you think matters. and if you don't, why are you here instead of at /.?
[18:18:34] <Blackmoore> I like it. I know a bunch of people will bitch that it's meta.. but f them. I'm backing you and this site, and I want to know what is going on as you trudge through the incoporation process.
[18:18:23] <prospectacle> lol, good enough
[18:17:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> prospectacle, technically he is a dictator at the moment. he's just a benevolent one.
[18:16:04] <prospectacle> otherwise /nick NDictator
[18:15:55] <prospectacle> I appreciate it
[18:15:32] <prospectacle> someone's gotta do it
[18:10:31] * NCommander always dislikes posting meta at times just because I feel like someone going to give me the ass-rearing of my life
[18:09:39] <NCommander> Maybe I shouldn't be allowed to write crap
[18:09:31] <NCommander> 2223 words in story "
[18:09:31] <NCommander> "
[18:09:30] <NCommander> Then again
[18:09:10] <NCommander> Blackmoore, oh good that went live
[18:07:26] <Blackmoore> looks good NCommander
[18:01:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Back To The Drawing Board: Rethinking Subscription + Explaing Expenses - http://sylnt.us - my-ears-are-still-ringing
[17:51:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Students Aim to Send Time Capsules to Mars by 2017: - http://sylnt.us - challenge-accepted
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[17:46:42] <bytram|afk> ok, heading out for the day; hope to check back in in a few hours.
[17:30:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> cyas
[17:29:54] <bytram|afk> ok gtg; back in a bit
[17:29:41] <bytram|afk> there's a perl script which generates all that test data; in case you don't want to D/L the entire lot of them.
[17:29:03] <bytram|afk> TheMightyBuzzard: I *just* remembered! Take what you want from here: https://github.com
[17:24:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, adios
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[17:24:02] <Bytram> good luck!
[17:23:59] * Bytram needs to get prepared for heading out; will leave window open 'til I leave.
[17:23:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> had to change a bunch of stuff slightly though to get native working right.
[17:23:16] <Bytram> lol
[17:23:13] * Bytram sings "If I Could Turn Back Time" =)
[17:23:04] * Bytram sings "If I Could Yurn Back Time" =)
[17:22:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i think that actually might have passed properly yesterday
[17:22:13] <Bytram> the "native" utf-8 character were a planned-for, but not-yet-implemented, enhancement.
[17:21:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[17:21:42] <Bytram> ahhh, I misremembered. Everything you see there between the quotes on the Left-Hand Side is the "interpreted "version of what you see described on the Right-Hand side. If everything is working as it should, you should see of the exact same character appearing one-on-top-of-the-other following each named character entity description.
[17:20:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> think it may very well be a bug in approveCharref
[17:17:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> it still should have passed them but no biggie
[17:17:14] <Bytram> I got the *list* from there.... let me double check
[17:17:03] <Bytram> wait a sec...
[17:16:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> shows the <dd> tags in the source of the comment.
[17:16:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, ya, they were entities then rather than proper unicode.
[17:16:19] <monopoly> └ 03Character entity references in HTML
[17:16:18] <Bytram> they came from: http://www.w3.org
[17:15:57] <Bytram> ummm, I think so. give me a bit to recollect my thoguhts.
[17:15:40] <monopoly> └ 03#Soylent | Logs for 2014-06-26
[17:15:40] <monopoly> └ 03#Soylent | Logs
[17:15:39] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: btw; Loggie is our friend: http://logs.sylnt.us for example: http://logs.sylnt.us
[17:15:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you were pasting from the source, weren't you
[17:13:37] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: it's on its way... pls let me know if you got it.
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[17:08:52] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: pretty darn sure.... PM me your e-mail addy and I can send it to you?
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[17:06:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> instead of just the top one.
[17:06:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause if they were it should have showed "ℜ" = for all four instances
[17:05:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you SURE those were native?
[17:03:55] <monopoly> └ 04SN comment by martyb (76): This is another try at testing all named character entities that appear in the HTML 4 spec.
[17:03:54] <Bytram> http://dev.soylentnews.org
[17:03:34] <Bytram> paulej72: TheMightyBuzzard: well, that was NOT an improvement :/ "Native" utf chars are mostly missing; only about a 1/3 or so of the named entities are working
[16:59:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, i got what he meant. even think i have an idea of where the badness is happening.
[16:58:36] <Woods> Blackmoore: Agreed, I cannot wait to see more finished pictures. I have a feeling they will find some pretty great stuff.
[16:58:07] <Bytram> paulej72: on my way!
[16:57:45] <paulej72> Bytram: you need to create a new comment with the orginal text copied into it.
[16:57:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm likely to forget 3/4 of this over the weekend since i won't be around fri-sun to work on it.
[16:57:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, add a comment to that effect in reply to your big one if ya would.
[16:56:21] <Blackmoore> Woods: considering the "washed-out" of the main system i expect it was stupid long, mostlikely they were trying to see what the perimiter of the system looked like
[16:56:11] <monopoly> └ 04SN comment by martyb (76): Reply to This
[16:56:11] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: looking much better... still missing pretty-much all named character entities at and following "latin small f with hook = function = florin, U+0192 ISOtech:" here: http://meta.dev.soylentnews.org
[16:55:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. tr/ \t\r\n\f//c works well enough though.
[16:55:24] <monopoly> └ 03perlop - perldoc.perl.org
[16:55:23] <paulej72> http://perldoc.perl.org
[16:55:06] <paulej72> It can output a count $count = ($paragraph =~ s/Mister\b/Mr./g); # get change-cnt
[16:54:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, that returns the altered string rather than the count of substitutions, doesn't it?
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[16:53:25] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: you should be albe to use s/// instead
[16:52:53] <prospectacle> We all do it
[16:52:46] <prospectacle> NSA show the dangers of software: putting formal processes, speed, and scale, above human understanding.
[16:50:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Limits of Signals Intelligence - NSA had no Clue - http://sylnt.us - wood-for-the-trees
[16:50:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> for now anyway. it would need to go for a full kanji site for example, so it should probably user defined in vars.
[16:48:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> Still need some english text or the cat got your tongue filter kicks in. I'm okay with that though.
[16:48:12] * Bytram starts preparing some unicode art =)
[16:47:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, shouldn't get bitched at for trying to do ascii art when pasting unicode now.
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[16:44:41] <Woods> Given the number of stars in the background, the exposure is at least insanely long, if not a compilation of all the pictures.
[16:44:02] <Woods> I think the lower left is all the images combined? But it is not specific.
[16:43:51] <Woods> I am sure it varies heavily, the site lets you check out the submitted pictures, some of those are just stars in the surrounding area.
[16:43:37] <Blackmoore> that lower left image looks like it was focused for a good long time
[16:43:09] <Blackmoore> i have to wonder what amount of time went into each exposure.
[16:41:25] <Woods> I know right? Pretty awesome. The top row were gathered from amateur astronomers around the world.
[16:40:36] <Blackmoore> that's some fine looking images.
[16:37:41] <Woods> The top row shows some of the input images used to create the final composite in the bottom right.
[16:37:29] <Woods> Sneak peek of an upcoming astronomy story: http://regmedia.co.uk
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[16:23:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, it doesn't like that escape in tr///
[16:18:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg, yep yep
[16:18:15] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: then just go about your busineess as ususal.
[16:17:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, the cd is commented out i thought
[16:17:06] <paulej72> NCommander: did not realize that.
[16:16:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, okey doke.
[16:16:34] <NCommander> paulej72, I though I changed that script to use the CWD
[16:16:21] <paulej72> I have ~/src/slascode setup with your repo as a remote. I like to deploy out of this dir as the main deployslash.sh script uses this dir
[16:16:14] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[16:14:36] * NCommander figures you've earned it due to wrestling with this shit
[16:14:27] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, your posts should have the little star now
[16:14:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, cheers
[16:14:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~slash/src/slashcode-unicode-work
[16:13:49] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, BTW, enjoy your subscription on SN
[16:13:35] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: where are you deploying from on dev?
[16:13:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> pushing the change, pulling it to dev, redeploying.
[16:13:07] <paulej72> fu sedbot
[16:12:41] <SedBot> <paulej72> ont no dev as I deleted ages ago when we first tried the utf-8 to entities
[16:12:41] <paulej72> s/no/on/
[16:12:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> good good
[16:12:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, good idea but not easy to implement until after we get it all working.
[16:12:18] <paulej72> not no dev as I deleted ages ago when we first tried the utf-8 to entities
[16:12:05] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: pm?
[16:11:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, is it still being a bitch?
[16:11:30] <Bytram> paulej72: nod nod
[16:11:21] <paulej72> And we have to get rid of the all caps filter
[16:11:19] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I was thinking about something like spamassassin (or whatever) does with bayer-something filters; create independentish "scores" and base the decision on THOSE, instead of trying to come up with one single master good/bad test.
[16:10:23] <paulej72> I would love to see the filter list on ./.jp
[16:09:14] <NCommander> paulej72, disable or delete with extreme prejuice
[16:08:57] <paulej72> most annoy the users
[16:08:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> just a whitespace check essentially.
[16:08:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> for now it's going to be "my $num_chars = $check_notags =~ tr/\S//;" though with no checking for ascii art at all.
[16:08:05] <NCommander> Honest truth: do these filters actually help or annoy users?
[16:07:33] <paulej72> I think that the junk character post. the ascii art and the awful lot of charactes ones can easily be removed and not cause an issue
[16:07:30] <Bytram> paulej72: [[:punct:]] ??
[16:07:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, probably just the first set. we can't do the [^a-zA-Z0-9] thing and not make it think unicode outside the ascii range is bad.
[16:06:00] <paulej72> [\\\,\.\-\_\*\|\}\{\]\[\@\&\%\$\s\)\(\?\!\^\=\+\~\`\"\'] and [^a-zA-Z0-9] for asscii art
[16:05:42] <Blackmoore> prospectacle: that didnt go so well last time
[16:05:38] <NCommander> paulej72, eh, does filtering ASCII art *really* hurt us THAT much?
[16:05:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, come at it the other way and count characters commonly found in ascii art and derive $num_characters from the difference of it and total character count.
[16:05:28] <paulej72> (?:(?:\W){5,}) and (?:\b(?:[^a-zA-Z0-9])+\b) for junk character post,
[16:05:23] <prospectacle> just tape a bunch of cats together
[16:05:04] <Blackmoore> NCommander: I'll start looking for a bull to sacrifice. a goat will not be enough
[16:03:44] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I am not sure how to rewrite the ascii art regex to make it utf-8 safe and still work
[16:03:19] <NCommander> paulej72, I've been mulling implementing an "Edit" button at some point, but I'm afraid to know what it would cost in BLOOD
[16:03:00] <NCommander> paulej72, I think we're out of goats to sacirifce
[16:02:01] <paulej72> NCommander: since it seems like the issue is only some css and not a majorly broken template, I will just need to fix the css
[16:01:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, nod nod. going to add that in now then. i'm sure we can eventually come up with utf8-happy regexes for the db. if not i know it can be done hardcoded.
[16:00:30] <paulej72> NCommander: that is good to know. it probably thinks dev is a nexus of soylentnews.org and thus this links should be in its db. I wonder if that is what is fucking up the meta tag?
[15:59:01] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: I have deleted most of the db filters as they are not uff-8 safe. Not sure if any of them can be salvaged. I suggest we do as you suggest so we at least have this filter in effect
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[15:58:00] <NCommander> i.e., if I put a link to article x, it gets added to related automatically
[15:57:50] <NCommander> paulej72, probably broke slashcode, related is filled in automaticly from links, but they don't point to stories on dev
[15:56:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> how you feel about it counting anything not whitespace and letting the db filters handle the bitching?
[15:55:56] <Blackmoore> Lex was presuming that most mods would be able to just recompile and go.. (and of course that isnt the case)
[15:55:55] <Bytram> away for a bit
[15:55:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, on the "my $num_chars = $check_notags =~ tr/A-Za-z0-9?!(){}[]+='"@$-//;" line...
[15:55:50] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nod nod; teamwork ftw
[15:55:23] <prospectacle> Has anyone seen the english series "the shadow line"? a gangster is executed, and powerful organisations on both sides of the law investigate simultaneously
[15:54:41] <Blackmoore> forge has a prerelease out, and a number of the "big" mods were holing out for that.
[15:54:25] * TheMightyBuzzard is waiting for 1.8
[15:54:23] <crutchy> oops wrong chan
[15:54:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> Blackmoore, hopefully
[15:54:02] <crutchy> ~join #test
[15:53:49] <Blackmoore> the MC fix will also fix the logjam on modded minecraft
[15:53:16] <paulej72> NCommander: the related stories are pulling in empty stuff. This does not seem to be related to what I was doing
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[15:52:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, finding bugs is a happy thing. means I don't have to find them.
[15:51:22] <NCommander> paulej72, I copy and pasted the text from the production version of the article
[15:51:08] <NCommander> paulej72, New -> fill in boxes
[15:50:59] <paulej72> NCommander: how did you put that story on dev?
[15:50:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, good good. figured there would be issues with entities because i hadn't really messed with them yet.
[15:49:52] <Bytram> back in about 5 minutes or so.
[15:49:23] <monopoly> └ 04SN comment by martyb (76): Submitted as "Plain Old Text"
[15:49:22] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Sorry, but yes. Just finished putting this up; should be self-explanatory: http://dev.soylentnews.org
[15:48:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> any bugs besides ampersands in comment subjects yet?
[15:47:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks mostly like a realms fix
[15:45:44] <crutchy> evil
[15:44:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> MC 1.7.10 released
[15:44:44] <prospectacle> You'll figure it out by 3:15am no doubt
[15:44:24] <prospectacle> lol
[15:44:10] <prospectacle> You just blew my mind
[15:44:10] <crutchy> nfi, but mnow my damn brain prolly won't let me sleep :-P
[15:43:56] <prospectacle> like a room within a room?
[15:43:38] <prospectacle> crutchy, how would that work?
[15:43:04] * crutchy wonders if irc could be adapted to enable nested discussions
[15:41:32] <prospectacle> I realise it would be a lot of dev. to make this option viable. Anyway that's my case. Will wait to see others comments when post is live.
[15:40:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Supreme Court: Police Need Warrants for Cell Phone Searches - http://sylnt.us - outbreak-of-sanity
[15:40:26] <prospectacle> NCommander, if you're on the fence, I have two more arguments for this option: 1 - A good hosted forum has commercial value (iow it's a way of having corporate subscribers without selling out or showing ads), 2 - You can poach any good mods that subscribers make to their own instance of slash (assuming permissions, etc).
[15:38:13] <NCommander> paulej72, .... slashcode is special
[15:38:01] <paulej72> NCommander: I’ll probably need to fix this by recreating the old template as a differnet one for use in the related articles only
[15:36:22] <paulej72> NCommander: slash uses the same code for related stories as minimized homepage stories. I rewote that code to make the home page look good and it broke related stories.
[15:36:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, got the bug noted down and will get on looking for the cause in comments.pl as soon as i get another coffee.
[15:36:07] <prospectacle> NCommander, just stumbled across it on dev while looking at unicode. Reading it now. Thanks for taking the time
[15:35:10] <NCommander> prospectacle, BTW, you got a shoutout in the next post I'm running
[15:34:58] <NCommander> Ok, post is set to go live at noon
[15:33:42] <paulej72> NCommander: It looks like it may have. I’ll look into it.
[15:33:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> we are just talking in the comment subject, yes?
[15:32:57] <NCommander> paulej72, so ... I think your CSS fix for nexuses broke Related Stories
[15:32:53] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard: s/*/its a feature! :-)/
[15:32:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> i fixed it in submit.pl or whatever it was called but not for comments.
[15:31:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. i think i vaguely remember the line that does that even though it shouldn't
[15:30:56] <prospectacle> One guy possibly already is leaving on his own terms to greener pastures, so if that happens I guess the rest of us will be more valuable (he tells himself hopefully)
[15:30:40] <paulej72> Bytram: TheMightyBuzzard: wait a sec... I spoke too soon. & got stripped out.
[15:30:22] <prospectacle> that sucks, good that you survived, though. A vote of confidence
[15:30:11] <prospectacle> wow
[15:30:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> but ya, absolutely correct
[15:30:03] <Bytram> it actually worked, but was really painful to go through. about a 40% layoff of "our" staff.
[15:29:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, which comment?
[15:29:32] <Bytram> in another case it was a but, slash, and condense work forces to develop synergy.
[15:29:30] <paulej72> Bytram and TheMightyBuzzard encode_html_amp is being used instead of encode_html_amp_ifnotent
[15:29:12] <prospectacle> bytram, that sounds good. Sometimes I guess investors aren't evil
[15:29:10] <Bytram> of course that meant some changes, but in the big picture they could be seen as positive
[15:28:54] <prospectacle> I've been busy and have barely logged in for a couple months now.
[15:28:52] <Bytram> prospectacle: in one case, we had some really good tech and the buyer wanted to help us push it out to market better - invested in us to help us to succeed.
[15:28:38] <prospectacle> anyway what's been happening?
[15:28:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh the tr/// line. gotcha
[15:28:07] <prospectacle> bytram. that's good to know in a way. I should remain optimistic.
[15:27:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, it should be from what i read
[15:27:03] <Bytram> prospectacle: been through that a few times; no *simple* suggestions. Things improved in some cases; went downhill in others.
[15:26:45] <prospectacle> lol
[15:26:37] <crutchy> be wary of anyone that mentions 'rationalizing' :-P
[15:26:09] <prospectacle> crutchy, yeah big companies make me uneasy
[15:26:03] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: we need to change that regex to be unicode safe.
[15:25:41] <crutchy> prospectacle: depends on the new owner. in my case was an indian multi so i bailed
[15:25:30] <paulej72> https://github.com
[15:25:21] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: wait a sec... I spoke too soon. & got stripped out. :/
[15:25:08] <prospectacle> crutchy. my sympathies. Any advice?
[15:25:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait no, that's not $constants
[15:24:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, was a db setting then
[15:24:30] <crutchy> prospectacle: been there, sucks ass
[15:24:28] <monopoly> └ 04SN comment by martyb (76): This is a test of what happens with the named character entity "mdash".
[15:24:27] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 18
[15:24:27] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++ YAY! http://meta.dev.soylentnews.org
[15:24:09] <paulej72> fixed
[15:23:59] <prospectacle> Yourself?
[15:23:57] <prospectacle> company is being sold (I'm not a shareholder), got my new contract to look over. Maybe it's time for a change
[15:23:51] <crutchy> thats cos your in the northern hemisphere
[15:23:11] <Bytram> what's up? (Besides the direction that I've never managed to be able to fall in ;)
[15:22:56] <paulej72> $constants->{comments_min_line_len}
[15:22:41] <prospectacle> martyb
[15:22:19] <Bytram> prospectacle: gmorning
[15:22:18] <prospectacle> hope you are well
[15:22:16] <prospectacle> evening
[15:22:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin
[15:21:56] <prospectacle> a hoy hoy
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[15:21:44] <Bytram> LOL!
[15:21:40] <Bender> karma - decaf: 1
[15:21:40] <Bytram> decaf++ ;)
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[15:21:15] <Blackmoore> mornin
[15:21:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 303
[15:21:12] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[15:20:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> funky. wonder how they got through on my vm using the same comments.pm
[15:18:59] <paulej72> Not working it is a hard coded filter in the comments.pm file i think
[15:18:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> yassuh boss
[15:18:20] <NCommander> */just saying*
[15:18:18] <NCommander> paulej72, TheMightyBuzzard: I love you guys
[15:18:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> check now
[15:17:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> lemme rebump apache in case they were cached
[15:17:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[15:17:19] <paulej72> no it is not. I just deleted most of the db filters
[15:17:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> think that's the db filter actually
[15:16:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> grah
[15:16:37] <paulej72> Your comment has too few characters per line (currently 0.0).
[15:16:26] <paulej72> fuck the hard coded filter is catching us.
[15:16:25] <Bytram> =)
[15:16:22] * Bytram rubs hands gleefully in anticipation
[15:16:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, ladies n gents. break it.
[15:15:29] * Bytram leans forward in seat and awaits word that uts8 support is up-and-running on dev
[15:11:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> now need a server start/stop and it should be golden
[15:10:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, setting utf8=1 then
[15:10:10] <paulej72> Deployed
[15:10:03] <crutchy> ...the other crapd
[15:09:52] <crutchy> prolly cos its mysql
[15:09:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like it would have but it didn't and i know not why.
[15:08:50] <crutchy> paulej72: where's the fun in that?
[15:08:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, tried that first on mine. for some reason it didn't work.
[15:07:41] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: why dd you not just add mysql_enable_utf8 => 1 to the attributes on the virtual user?
[15:07:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i think i found and removed that bit of this test branch.
[15:07:09] <Bytram> can you please try it on your build and see what happens?
[15:07:01] <crutchy> trojanhorsed
[15:06:47] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:06:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like there might be code actively filtering it out
[15:06:14] <monopoly> └ 04SN comment by martyb (76): This is a test of what happens with the named character entity "mdash".
[15:06:13] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: and here's what I got: http://meta.dev.soylentnews.org
[15:05:52] <Bytram> <p>This was submitted using "Plain Old Text"
[15:05:52] <Bytram> <p>This is an example — if you will — of it being used twice in one sentence.
[15:05:52] <Bytram> <p>This is an example &mdash; if you will &mdash; of how I'm using it in the next sentence:
[15:05:52] <Bytram> <p>This should appear like what the user types into a comment box: &mdash;
[15:05:52] <Bytram> <p>This is a test of what happens with the named character entity "mdash".
[15:05:51] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Here's a dump of what I put into the comment field:
[15:05:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> bummer
[15:05:39] <crutchy> Ö
[15:05:21] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: no joy in the preview pane of a comment; the — got deleted on the current version of dev.soylentnews.com
[15:05:20] <crutchy> chromas: s/ / /g
[15:03:48] <Woods> Those are my favorite.
[15:03:40] <crutchy> not much. just chillin before i gotta go sleepies
[15:03:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> stuff n things
[15:03:34] <chromas> crutchy: compose - - -
[15:03:22] <Woods> What up
[15:03:21] <Woods> Heyoooo
[15:03:14] <crutchy> hi Woods
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[15:02:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, should be able to type it in directly, unsure about entities. to the point where i need other eyes because mine are crossed.
[15:01:56] <crutchy> i prefer non-breaking ones in word... very handy (i think it's ctrl+shift+-)
[15:01:11] <chromas> But then it quit and I was a sad panda. Em dashes are basically all I write
[15:00:57] * crutchy imagines Bytram scurrying through the tubes
[15:00:21] * Bytram scurries over to test on dev... brb
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[15:00:13] <Bytram> oh?
[14:59:55] <chromas> It was supported awhile back.:)
[14:59:17] <Bytram> can't wait to play with it! Am *really* interested in seeing the named character entity: "—" get supported instead of deleted... it's bit us in several stories lately where it just got deleted.
[14:58:28] * TheMightyBuzzard mods DBIx::Password real quick
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[14:57:16] <Bytram> hth
[14:57:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 302
[14:57:14] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:57:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, going to go live with it on dev soon as paulej72 declares himself awake and properly caffeinated.
[14:56:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> Stockard Channing too, what was the one the quote was from
[14:56:18] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: how's the utf8 stuff going?
[14:55:51] * Bytram likes how the names blend together like that!
[14:55:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[14:55:29] <Bytram> that's the one that starred "Olivia Newton John Travolta", right? =)
[14:55:11] <Bytram> ahhH!
[14:54:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, stole it from Grease.
[14:53:56] <Bytram> crutchy: Huh?
[14:53:44] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I've *never* heard THAT one before! I *LIKE* it!
[14:53:20] <crutchy> thanks to aqua :-P
[14:53:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> peachy keen, jellybean
[14:52:58] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: how's things?
[14:52:39] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: g'morning!
[14:52:36] <monopoly> └ 03Boffins untangle why your software builds fail • The Register
[14:52:35] <monopoly> └ 03Boffins untangle why your software builds fail • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[14:52:34] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[14:52:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Bytram
[14:52:08] <Bytram> Hi everyone!
[14:52:06] <crutchy> hi Bytram
[14:51:59] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[14:51:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Capturing Employees' Expertise on Camera Before They Hit the Exits - http://sylnt.us - you're-company-property
[14:51:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, got the branch pulled over to dev n short of modding DBIx::Password and setting utf8=1 in the vars table, all it needs is a deploy.
[14:50:46] <NCommander> paulej72, slash's behavior is "fun"
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[14:50:27] * chromas now wonders the etymology of nightmare but there's no etymologybot
[14:50:04] <crutchy> g'day paulej72
[14:49:55] <paulej72> morning
[14:49:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, mornin
[14:49:46] * crutchy wonders if exec would handle that
[14:49:40] <paulej72> NCommander: no idea
[14:49:27] <chromas> Aw
[14:49:17] <chromas> JamezNZ, s/bus/pla/
[14:48:52] <crutchy> it will kill you in your sleep
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[14:48:45] <crutchy> slashd == trojanhorsed
[14:47:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> i actually enjoy working on it. outsmarting fucked up perl is a hobby of mine.
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[14:45:59] <chromas> Like slash. You don't think NCommander and TheMightyBuzzard want to work on it, do you? Hell no; no one does! Not it compels them and neighs in their sleep
[14:44:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> skynet gotta come from somewhere, yo
[14:43:59] <chromas> Aw. But just think, if you make it super complex then it could eventually take on a life of its own
[14:40:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> har
[14:40:35] <crutchy> and its kinda nice to have everything in one file sometimes in case i decide to change the line syntax (again)
[14:39:50] <crutchy> chromas: just dumped the idea of exec lines in scripts. can't be fked coding for various language comment syntaxes
[14:39:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> allergies can just suck it. hate having to take benadryl.
[14:38:47] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[14:37:00] <crutchy> one of them is turning into an eskimo though? (also cold isn't good for 'performing')
[14:36:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> systemctl start fattieguard.service
[14:35:52] <chromas> Auction off the devs as eligible (but not confirmed) bachelors
[14:35:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> can already do that with the dev vm, sort of
[14:34:55] <crutchy> or Slash@Home :-P
[14:34:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds like extra points of failure and troubleshooting woes to me
[14:34:26] <crutchy> maybe we could start a community development project called BoincSlash?
[14:33:30] <crutchy> a lot of folks on SN (& /. etc) are cheap (as in beer) but collectively they have awesome server capacity
[14:31:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> with the donation amount as a subtitle
[14:31:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, like instead of setting the price, have an editable field to purchase a picture of NCommander with a shoe on his head.
[14:31:25] <crutchy> that's why i kinda advocated reducing expenses instead of raising revenue
[14:30:52] <NCommander> crutchy, yeah. /. had huge problems in raising reveune at all
[14:30:04] <chromas> "click here to donate a coffee (animated_coffee_mug.jif)"
[14:30:01] <crutchy> not much to leverage
[14:29:42] <crutchy> (unfortunately not many in SN have any)
[14:29:30] <crutchy> NCommander: its worth what you put into it... vested interest is the best motivator
[14:28:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> got a way around donations licensing if you like. use a pay what you like model for something essentially worthless.
[14:26:55] <NCommander> Its been awhile since I've posted a large scale novel to the site
[14:26:34] * chromas prepares anonymous pitchforks
[14:25:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> couple errant commas maybe but taking them out would deprive people pointing them out in comments.
[14:25:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, looks good
[14:22:35] <chromas> Verbosicoffee
[14:21:24] <Bender> karma - coffee: 301
[14:21:24] <crutchy> coffee++
[14:20:57] <crutchy> maybe coffee isn't enough
[14:20:31] <chromas> Are you sure that's enough -v ?
[14:19:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> /bin/post -vv
[14:17:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks good so far
[14:17:29] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, feed free to edit it if you see mistakes
[14:15:45] <monopoly> └ 03Dev.SN: Dev.SN is dead developers
[14:15:44] <NCommander> paulej72, http://dev.soylentnews.org - on the subscription post, why don't I get Meta: on it
[14:15:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[14:15:27] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, shows up for admins
[14:15:25] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, means the article hasn't been signed off on, and its marked to show up on the index
[14:14:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> , unsigned display?
[14:14:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> whazzat?
[14:14:22] * NCommander learned a quirk in slashcode
[14:14:17] <NCommander> Huh, interesting
[14:13:13] <NCommander> and anyone else who wants to look
[14:13:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, already checking
[14:12:55] <monopoly> └ 04SN article: 03Back To The Drawing Board: Rethinking Subscription + Explaing Expenses 04(0 comments):
[14:12:54] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, http://meta.dev.soylentnews.org
[14:11:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> perks of being a bachelor and working largely from home. get to crank my tunes and let the sub earn its pay.
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[14:09:37] * NCommander is going to go post this on dev
[14:08:59] <crutchy> ...in headphones. sub is collecting dust atm :-(
[14:08:24] * crutchy cranking out some noiseworks
[14:08:15] <NCommander> ugh
[14:08:15] <NCommander> Ok, I think I got a rough draft done here
[14:04:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> never known them to for me. you do catch the occasional slow download but i can't find rhyme or reason for it.
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[14:02:09] <chromas> Actually it was a lot faster for the bot; maybe they're throttling
[14:02:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> social network site for ruskies. excellent for tunes piracy as well.
[14:01:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, nah. that's off vk.com. vkontakte.ru if you prefer
[14:01:08] <chromas> ~15kb/s
[14:00:44] <chromas> The link you sent
[14:00:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> whoosh, yo
[14:00:33] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[14:00:22] <chromas> Sofa, Davenport...
[14:00:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> The Music Explosion - Little Bit O'Soul
[13:59:52] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: is that coming from your box under the couch?
[13:58:14] * chromas is listening to sacrilege
[13:56:57] <chromas> It's okay; I've got earphones in
[13:56:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> my neighbor prolly loves me. cranking barbie girl before 7am
[13:55:53] <crutchy> lol poor chromas... it might have opened it on his browser and cranked it out on dual 15" subs
[13:55:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's great for ignoring. i used to set it as my Everquest fight music for raids.
[13:54:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha! made the bot listen to it
[13:53:53] <monopoly> └ ( https://cs9-2v4.vk.me )
[13:53:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://cs9-2v4.vk.me
[13:53:35] <stdhell> You guys are weird...
[13:53:25] * crutchy looks for it on his music drive
[13:53:17] <crutchy> barbie girl is also good :-P
[13:52:49] * TheMightyBuzzard fires up Barbie Girl and cranks it
[13:52:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> not coding right now though
[13:51:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> suck it sedbot
[13:51:43] * SedBot offers ThiMightyBizzerd a /
[13:51:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/ari/air
[13:51:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> fari nuff
[13:50:54] <chromas> It does for us, the viewers
[13:50:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> anything more than fan noise and my attention gets split and hilarity does not ensue.
[13:49:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i can't code to music
[13:49:11] <crutchy> try listening to some japanese dance music... i can't understand a word of it (something about 'itchy bums'?) but it sure gets your heart pumping (and coding fingers working)
[13:48:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> no rush, plenty of coffee to be drank still.
[13:46:53] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I'm still writing but k
[13:46:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure sure. link me up and i'll read n coffee.
[13:45:42] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, if you're up for it, I can use someone to review it, I rather not have a repeat of the last one >.<;
[13:45:31] * NCommander is writing a new subscription post
[13:45:26] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, sure
[13:45:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, going to wait a bit for paulej72 to get up and around. he wanted in on it.
[13:39:27] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, if you want to deploy a branch on lithium, make sure the branch is owned by slash:dev_team, then run the deploy_slash.sh in ~slash/src folder
[13:38:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, already cloned a copy over to dev from my branch for deployment when folks are awake and caffeinated though
[13:37:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's up to date with main though
[13:36:50] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard: is there an xkcd to describe 'shat go ding'?
[13:36:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> not going to merge the branch just yet because it hasn't got an off state in good working order
[13:36:08] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, do we have branches to merge?
[13:35:57] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, ?
[13:29:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> really only waiting on paul, maybe NC if he's handy, but don't want to make his shat go ding at him until he's declared himself awake.
[13:26:18] <crutchy> :-)
[13:26:10] <crutchy> i'm irrelevant
[13:23:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's unicode test day for dev, boys n girls. soon as the relevant folks get awake and caffeinated enough.
[13:20:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ask Soylent: Test Data Stories - http://sylnt.us - and-now-for-some-light-relief
[13:18:28] <stdhell> Stupid bot...
[13:18:12] <stdhell> 💩++
[13:16:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> or someone pooping sideways
[13:12:32] <crutchy> now its a big fat pair of lips blowing bubbles
[13:11:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 300
[13:11:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:11:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> one more for good measure
[13:03:03] <Bender> karma - coffee: 299
[13:03:03] <crutchy> coffee++
[12:46:20] <Bender> karma - coffee: 298
[12:46:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:43:53] * SedBot is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[12:43:53] <crutchy> SedBot --enable-mind-reading-mode
[12:43:48] * chromas blames charter
[12:43:34] <monopoly> └ 03Index of ( http://localhost )
[12:43:33] <chromas> http://8008135.net
[12:43:27] <crutchy> aw fack
[12:43:21] <crutchy> s/ŐМ/Ж/
[12:42:58] <crutchy> oops
[12:42:47] <crutchy> http://ШШШºğØÅť°©ŐМ
[12:40:49] <chromas> I went to the infiniteredirect page and it appears blank but the source indicatesgodaddy parking?
[12:40:29] <chromas> it looks at itself
[12:40:28] <crutchy> yay!.com
[12:40:18] <stdhell> :-)
[12:40:17] <chromas> crap is that bug back?
[12:40:16] <monopoly> └ 03SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
[12:40:15] <monopoly> └ 03SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people ( http://soylentnews.org )
[12:40:13] <stdhell> http://stderr.dk
[12:40:03] <monopoly> └ 03Pipedot
[12:40:02] <monopoly> └ 03Pipedot ( https://pipedot.org )
[12:40:00] <stdhell> http://stderr.dk
[12:39:54] <crutchy> you haven't got one of those stupid malware programs that redirect half of the interwebs with your hosts file?
[12:39:18] <crutchy> hosts?
[12:39:01] <chromas> not sure why those get redirects like that
[12:38:59] <crutchy> http://infiniteredirect.com
[12:38:42] <chromas> yeah redirects aren't checked :)
[12:38:28] <monopoly> └ 03Index of ( http://localhost )
[12:38:28] <crutchy> http://stuff
[12:38:18] <stdhell> Hmm... http://127.0.0.1 ?
[12:38:00] <stdhell> http://localhost
[12:36:57] <crutchy> smb://https:
[12:32:36] <chromas> fragments or whatever
[12:32:24] <chromas> ooh; monopoly needs to check for #
[12:30:49] <monopoly> └ 04Wiki: 03SheevaPlug: The SheevaPlug is a "plug computer" designed to allow standard computing features in as small a space as possible.
[12:30:48] <crutchy> wow i didn't realize there were this many http://en.wikipedia.org
[12:30:00] <stdhell> (For both Guru and DreamPlug)
[12:29:49] <chromas> like x" class TVs that are x-2"
[12:29:48] <stdhell> 1.2GHz according to Wikipedia.
[12:29:34] <stdhell> Or DreamPlug
[12:29:32] <chromas> "GHz class CPU"? Does that mean it's 900MHz?
[12:29:14] <crutchy> there's prolly a lot of sheeva plug derivatives nowadays... some are fancy too
[12:29:12] <chromas> both neat
[12:28:28] <stdhell> A GuruPlug?
[12:27:36] <chromas> needs a couple ethernet ports too
[12:27:16] <crutchy> ^that might be what you meant by nano pc i guess
[12:26:44] <crutchy> or use one of those sheeva plug thingys
[12:26:23] <crutchy> if you have an old smartphone (like a galaxy s2) you can root it and set one up on that
[12:26:11] <stdhell> One could argue that a webserver does belong on the firewall. Otherwise you would have to... FORWARD A PORT?! OR TWO?!
[12:24:59] <chromas> That's what I should do; get a nano PC and use it for nat/firewall, web server and all the other things that don't belong on a firewall
[12:24:28] * crutchy has nfi how to do that, how it would help or what it even means
[12:23:45] <crutchy> either that or recompile your kernel with a custom networking layer :-P
[12:23:25] <chromas> Maybe that setting gets forgotten too
[12:23:13] <stdhell> Will see if it helps when I get home.
[12:23:08] <chromas> Thanks. Router gets confused sometimes and forgets how to pass DNS on I guess
[12:22:58] <stdhell> Odd. I was sure I had set that to "Everywhere", but it was on "My Subnet".
[12:22:43] <crutchy> wb chromas
[12:21:53] <monopoly> 03Log In
[12:21:52] <chromas> http://soylentnews.org
[12:21:46] <chromas> Does changing the Valid Location in Login cookie settings help?
[12:19:59] <stdhell> It would be nice, if SoylentNews could remember that I'm logged in, even if I bring my laptop to work. /. and |. can.
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[11:31:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cross-national Intelligence and National Democracy - http://sylnt.us - Major-Major-Major-Major
[10:06:52] <SedBot> <chromas> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Russia Announces Loss of Last Early Warning Satellite in Geo-Sync - http://sylnt.us - didn't-see-it-coming
[10:06:52] <chromas> Bender: s/k/v/
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[09:18:23] <ar> morning
[09:16:49] <crutchy> g'day ar
[09:16:41] <crutchy> :-P
[09:16:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 297
[09:16:38] <crutchy> coffee++
[09:13:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 296
[09:13:21] <ar> coffee--
[09:03:16] <Bender> karma - coffee: 297
[09:03:16] <crutchy> coffee++
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[08:52:40] <juggs> I'd watch if no-one objected
[08:52:26] <arti> just hang out in front of an ice cream shop if you want licking
[08:52:01] <NCommander> -_-;
[08:51:55] <SedBot> <chromas> <juggs> casts spell of lesbians on NCommander
[08:51:55] <chromas> juggs: s/sbleh/bians/
[08:50:28] * juggs casts spell of lessbleh on NCommander
[08:50:03] <NCommander> but considerably less bleh than before
[08:49:53] * NCommander still feels bleh
[08:45:03] <juggs> if your place of work is big enough and you are getting into discussing this kind of thing, then you probably should be. But meh - that's up to the powera that be.
[08:43:40] <swiss> mostly cause i'm not interesting enough
[08:43:33] <swiss> lol, i don't do NDA's really
[08:42:15] <juggs> I see some very complex one-way hashing + salting research under NDA in your near future. Or some research into how unique forehead scans can be - hell if you have to store it, store something the government can't run a comparison against. Or research thermite and bug out..... ultimately there is no right answer.
[08:33:31] <swiss> lol
[08:33:24] <juggs> sounds like a swiss bank :D
[08:19:47] <swiss> it's just that we hate having data the government could try to force us to hand over
[08:19:25] <swiss> well... i work at a large enough place we already have that bullseye
[08:14:03] <juggs> So now you decided to use iris to open doors, you suddenly have to up your defences to outside attack. It's like putting a bullseye target on your forehead and standing on a live firing range.
[08:11:56] <monopoly> 04Wiki: 03Iris Recognition Immigration System: Iris Recognition Immigration System (IRIS) was an initiative, launched in 2004,[1] to provide automated clearance through UK immigration for certain frequent travelle...
[08:11:55] <juggs> And therein lies the problem - you have to store this stuff - securely somehow. If iris scans ever take a firm grip on immigration controls as was trialled at Heathrow London for 9 years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_Recognition_Immigration_System) then your little store of iris info became a tasty target.
[08:04:42] <juggs> The process by which you establish trust is absolutely finite here. You can have the best authentication and identification mechanisms in the world, but if you trust establishment process is flawed it means nothing.
[08:03:52] <swiss> i just find it interesting. Someone did bring up on the call bits about storing the information securely, which is going to be weird
[08:02:14] <juggs> but what have you achieved? That's just individual recognition. You could do that by fingerprint, face recognition, gait matching etc etc or some combination thereof. The key that brings any of these systems down is establishing trust.
[08:01:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Zero-Knowledge Protocol for Nuclear Warhead Verification - http://sylnt.us - solving-problems-in-theory
[07:57:18] <swiss> it recognizes and works from like 36" away, so you can put it at turnstiles, and people don't even have to break stride to use it
[07:56:57] <swiss> it's actually more of a "convenience thing" with the places we're planning on using it
[07:55:09] <juggs> Yes. It's unnecessary security theatre that makes nothing any more secure, dreamt up by chair monkeys who watch too many mission impossible and bourne series movies.
[07:52:13] <swiss> if the data taken from you was a random segment being scanned, and then hashed prior to storage, would it bother you as much?
[07:51:38] <swiss> can't issue you a new eyeball
[07:51:34] <swiss> my issue with it is also the necessary remediation if it is compromised
[07:50:48] <juggs> ould come under the umbrella of Data Protection regs in most civilised nations - not that I am particularly enamoured of the various national bodies in place to enforce those.
[07:50:48] <juggs> I'm not familiar with how accurate it is, so I can't contribute or attest on that metric. If we assume it is 100% accurate (or thereabouts) then the debate becomes a discussion akin to DNA sampling - i.e. how is it secured, who has access to it, for what purpose, how long is it retained, how often is it updated, how can a subject request information about what iris information is held about them by a particular institution. I think it pretty much sh
[07:42:26] <swiss> i had a large debate at work about it
[07:42:19] <swiss> juggs: what's your opinion of iris scanning?
[07:25:18] <juggs> This constant drip of news as a particular case traverses the various courts is not really helpful. It's only really news when it gets definitively judged (Supreme) or re-legislated.
[07:23:24] <juggs> I think we need to work on article titles to specify jurisdiction and possibly court level. i.e. Wikipedia Editors Sued for Defamation becomes Wikipedia Editors Sued for Defamation - US 1st Circuit or Wikipedia Editors Sued for Defamation - Appeal - Supreme Court Rules
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[07:02:24] <chromas> The lawsuit was deleted due to lack of notability
[06:40:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Wikipedia Editors Sued for Defamation - http://sylnt.us - citation-needed
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[05:48:20] <juggs> I finally escaped by firing up mudlet and jumping on the soy mud instead. That's got to be a much better use of time right :D
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[05:47:25] <arti> i like tangents like that
[05:47:05] <arti> good ol wikipedia
[05:31:09] <juggs> eh?
[05:31:04] <juggs> As much asI've no idea why or how, but I ended up reading articles about various TV and radio masts around the world.
[05:26:35] <monopoly> 03Wiki/Wikipedia - Television Tropes & Idioms
[05:26:34] <chromas> juggs, this will help: http://tvtropes.org
[05:25:41] <SpallsHurgenson> I need to learn Korean or something so I can finally get decent internet...
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[05:18:27] * juggs is trapped in a wikipedia dungeon of interconnecting pages HELP ME!!
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[04:49:28] <Konomi> hehe
[04:48:14] <juggs> Does it become renamed Evian-fueled at that point?
[04:47:31] <Konomi> helps the maturity function work better
[04:47:14] <Konomi> 4.0 gets parental controls
[04:46:52] <juggs> Blimey, that would be an outstanding upgrade
[04:45:00] <Konomi> I heard one of the new features is "Interesting"
[04:44:50] <Konomi> think we should upgraded to Ethanol-fueled 3.0
[04:44:38] <Konomi> I was about to say this version is broke
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[04:40:57] <Ethanol-fueled> Suck my dick, you cocksuckers,. \
[04:40:56] <juggs> that is quite a disturbing mental image
[04:38:24] <Konomi> that qualifies as sucking right?
[04:38:16] <Konomi> if we had a space craft I could drill a 1mm hole in the side of the hull and use Ethanol-fueled to block it
[04:36:35] * juggs hands Konomi the tweezers
[04:36:06] <Konomi> do you provide the microscope or should I bring my own?
[04:35:21] <Ethanol-fueled> suck my dick, motherfuckers.
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[04:22:32] * SpallsHurgenson feels something fuzzy rub past his legs and realizes it's wranglin' time here too!
[04:11:15] <SpallsHurgenson> I've always enjoyed a good cat wrangling
[04:01:42] <paulej72> Good luck
[04:01:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ah well, time to wrangle my cats in for the night and booze n book.
[03:59:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh
[03:59:23] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: These are the boards. We killied the old ones due to disuse
[03:59:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> found one extra change needs made to the vhost.conf but it's minor n already in the documentation if you accidentally look in the right place
[03:57:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> manage anything? i don't check the boards on account of i forgot where they were.
[03:57:27] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: Probably could do that.
[03:56:57] <paulej72> No one was talking so I tried to start a conversation with someone.
[03:56:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> hey, if we're gonna roll utf8 out to dev this week, tomorrow would be good cause i'm likely out friday and the weekend.
[03:55:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> good good. it prolly deserves it.
[03:55:17] <paulej72> I am on my iPad and having fun spamming the board
[03:54:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> breaking in a new keyboard?
[03:54:12] <paulej72> lol
[03:53:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> same to you
[03:53:44] <paulej72> ,,.,,
[03:53:25] <juggs> o.O
[03:52:31] <paulej72> Zaqwsxcderfvbgtyhnmjuik,.lop
[03:52:09] <paulej72> Zasxcdfvbghnmjklp
[03:50:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Rootkits Target 64-bit PCs - Secure Boot Is Not Always Secure - http://sylnt.us - bad-news
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[03:48:11] <paulej72> ,.,,...,.,,,..,,.,,,.,,.,,..,.,,,,.,,.,,..,,..,,,,.,,..,,,.,.,,,,,.,.,,,..,
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[03:24:31] * chromas puts his fork away
[03:24:05] <SpallsHurgenson> I mean, I used to be... but I got better
[03:23:00] <chromas> That's good, because I wasn't planning on doing you
[03:20:47] <SpallsHurgenson> I am not a curry chicken!
[03:16:11] <chromas> Now for food. Thanks to SpallsHurgenson, I think I'm going to do curry chicken
[03:14:41] <chromas> in this case, 2, I guess
[03:14:21] <chromas> It looks for certain things (including the <!--template> comments and then jumps x characters ahead)
[03:13:46] <chromas> It's more that the scanning function is terrible
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[03:13:16] <paulej72> chromas: Off by one error?
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[03:09:24] <chromas> It even chops off the first character after I thought I fixed it
[03:09:03] <monopoly> 04SN article: 03'Hover Car' System to Be Implemented in Tel Aviv 04(5 comments): he BBC reports on a pilot project called SkyTran, a kind of two person monorail. Two-person vehicles will be suspended from elevated magnetic tracks, as an alternati...
[03:09:02] <chromas> For example: http://soylentnews.org
[03:06:19] <chromas> :D
[03:06:16] <chromas> You asked for it
[03:04:58] <SpallsHurgenson> yay?
[03:04:13] testenopoly is now known as monopoly
[03:03:53] <testenopoly> Now in glorious extra 1c2o3l4o5r
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[02:22:13] <arti> :|
[02:21:30] * SpallsHurgenson feels the curry work its strange and terrible magic on his lower intestines
[02:21:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 'Hover Car' System to Be Implemented in Tel Aviv - http://sylnt.us - one-step-closer-to-the-jetsons
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[02:08:21] <SpallsHurgenson> just watch out on March 7, 2016 :)
[02:04:53] <SpallsHurgenson> don't think of it as the end of a 620 day uptime, think of it as the beginning of a 621 day uptime :)
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[01:38:07] <chromas> :(
[01:38:00] <_NSAKEY> RIP 620+ day uptime.
[01:37:50] <_NSAKEY> chromas: My host had a hard drive failure.
[01:34:09] <chromas> whoa, that's about the second time ever, _NSAKEY
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[01:33:13] <SpallsHurgenson> I'd make fun of 'im... except that kinda sorta happened to me a year or two back (minus getting the fire-department involved) so I'm sympathetic :)
[01:32:33] <SpallsHurgenson> apparently the fire itself wasn't that bad (ruined the grill, but nothing else) but lots of smoke and the fire department got involved
[01:31:17] <chromas> oops
[01:30:34] <SpallsHurgenson> my neighbor forgot to turn his grill off and it sort of kinda caught fire
[01:29:59] <chromas> Did you find out what the smoke was?
[01:27:33] <SpallsHurgenson> f**K penicillin, screw the moon launches; air conditioning is the greatest technological advance humanity has ever created.
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[01:01:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Open Source Revolution is Coming and it Will Conquer the 1% - http://sylnt.us - revolt-if-they'll-let-you
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