#Soylent | Logs for 2014-06-19
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[00:06:13] <paulej72> anyone arround?
[00:06:34] <crutchy> just me
[00:06:54] <paulej72> Looking at maxstories on the home page. Right now the prfernces say that the min is 1/3 the max. Do we want to have that stay as a fixed ratio, or allow users to set the max and min seperately
[00:07:16] <paulej72> we currrently have a setting for maxstories, but it is deactivated. we have had users request that we offer more stories on the home page, basically they want a bigger minimum.
[00:07:29] <paulej72> We have three options. Allow for the users to set maxstories with the min 1/3 of max, let the users set both min and max, do not allow the users to set the number of stories as it is currently, but set the minimum for everyone to be 15 instead of 10
[00:08:29] <crutchy> dunno
[00:08:55] <crutchy> doesn't bother me, but i'm not picky
[00:09:03] <paulej72> I have option 1 set up on dev now. I set my max to 99 and it shows a mininum of 33.
[00:09:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, i'd say let them set maxstories but throw in a hard minimum of 1/3 or 4 whichever is greater.
[00:10:01] <paulej72> crutchy: with more stories on the home page by default more stories may gett commented on.
[00:10:14] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: the hard min is set at 10
[00:10:28] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard: but what if i want max of 7... dammit i wanna see 2.3333333 stories :-P
[00:10:35] <paulej72> set as var on the skin
[00:11:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> if they really, really want control over the min, they can parse the feed
[00:12:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean it's not like anyone's making them scroll down several pages.
[00:12:34] <Bytram|away> the can always click the link at the end of today's stories that says" "< Yesterday's News >", right?
[00:12:40] <Bytram|away> s/the/they/
[00:12:40] <SedBot> <Bytram|away> they can always click the link at the end of today's stories that says" "< Yesterday's News >", right?
[00:13:37] <paulej72> I think I want to turn on maxstories and set the min to more than 10 say 15
[00:13:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> won't hurt my feelings
[00:14:06] <Bytram|away> ok, gtg. might be back later tonight; otherwise, I'll see ya all tomorrow. Ciao!
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[00:14:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> only ones that should adversely affect are the people paying the bandwidth bills.
[00:14:47] <paulej72> Bytram|away: the yesterday’s news links do not give the results that a user is expecting as they see duplicate entries if there are already yesterday’s articles on the home page
[00:15:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, we should fix that. it should be just a next page of stories link.
[00:15:47] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: the amount of bytes in a few extra stories should not be that bad.
[00:16:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> was actually thinking of NC rather than the readers there.
[00:17:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> but you're not wrong either way
[00:18:51] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: we have bytes to spare as all of out linode bandwidth capacity is shared between our nodes
[00:19:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus most of the images should already be on the page and just be cache hits.
[00:19:39] <paulej72> It looks like we post about 15 stories a day on average.
[00:20:25] <paulej72> so if we set the minimum to 15 we would get a day’s worth of stories on average.
[00:20:40] <paulej72> on the homepage
[00:20:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds about right unless we can get more news to happen overnight
[00:22:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> can always readjust it later if we feel the need
[00:22:58] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: what the issue people have brought up is that we do not have the stories on the homepage long enough for people to comment on. They do not want to click on the other stories links or the yesterday’s news links
[00:23:31] <paulej72> If we give them more stoies then the comment count may go up.
[00:23:57] <paulej72> Works better for people who only check once a day
[00:24:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, yeah, definitely should increase the min then or put some logic in to effectively increase maxstories to however many stories there are that day.
[00:24:43] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: maxstories is set to 30 right now, so we have not had that problem
[00:25:06] <NCommander> paulej72, when tweaking that, make sure we're filling up memcache with the additional stories
[00:25:25] * NCommander can't remember where the article memcache code is; I think its in Display.pm maybe
[00:25:26] <crutchy> i'll eventually work on my feeds script to help irc users out a bit
[00:25:38] <crutchy> i'm a gunna do though :-P
[00:26:28] <crutchy> i'll make it pm titles and links to pm on command
[00:26:35] <paulej72> NCommander: I am thinking we should just adjust the artcount_min on sthe main skin to 15 instead of 10. it is quick and dirty and does not need any code changes
[00:26:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be a good day to get utf8==0 working tomorrow. just had a nap with coding dreams n that's almost always a good sign.
[00:27:43] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard: you mean there are other sorts of dreams?
[00:28:10] <crutchy> oh yeah i guess there are dreams about naked chicks offering bikes
[00:28:17] * TheMightyBuzzard nods
[00:28:37] <crutchy> gtg to workipoos
[00:28:40] <crutchy> cyas
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[00:38:42] <paulej72> NCommander: it looks like the memcache stuff is in getStoriesEssentials. All my changes work on this data after this is called
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[00:54:37] <NCommander> paulej72, cool, that should be fine.
[00:54:45] <NCommander> paulej72, and changing the min seems easy and straightforward
[00:55:12] <paulej72> NCommander: I think I am just going to do that and not mess with anything else
[00:55:55] <paulej72> NCommander: do you have an objection to me changing the min to 15 on production?
[00:56:30] <NCommander> paulej72, nope
[00:56:48] <paulej72> NCommander: then I am going to do so now
[01:02:19] <paulej72> Done, and kinit seemed to work fine for slash
[01:03:18] <paulej72> We now have a minimum of 15 stories at any time on the home page. This currently gives us one more story, but will give us 5 when the day changes.
[01:13:31] <NCommander> paulej72, awesome :-)
[01:14:26] <paulej72> http://soylentnews.org
[01:14:27] <monopoly> Title: Journal of paulej72 (58)
[01:15:29] <paulej72> OK time for food
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[01:54:19] <SpallsHurgenson> <burp> I think I ate too much
[02:01:37] <paulej72> that’s not what she said ;p
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[02:07:48] * NCommander needs to sit down and think
[02:10:56] <SpallsHurgenson> thinking never got the human race anywhere but trouble
[02:11:10] <SpallsHurgenson> go sit up in a tree and eat a banana instead
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[03:14:04] <chromas> Bender: s/Forces/Suggests/
[03:14:04] <SedBot> <chromas> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Wikipedia Changes Rules, Suggests Editors to Disclose if They're Paid - http://sylnt.us - paid-to-proofread
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[03:15:50] <chromas> from the would-i-lie-to-you dept
[03:21:08] <SpallsHurgenson> apropos of nothing, but cannibalism is still illegal, right?
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[04:13:44] <Bytram> hmmm, let's see where this goes:
[04:13:45] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[04:13:46] <monopoly> Title: T-Mobile's network gets a boost with more capacity, LTE-powered calls - CNET
[04:14:31] * Bytram wishes that "monopoly" would also output the redirected URL
[04:14:56] <chromas> k
[04:16:48] * Bytram does not like to give google any more information than I have to; went to cnet.com and found the link located there: http://www.cnet.com
[04:16:50] <monopoly> Title: T-Mobile's network gets a boost with more capacity, LTE-powered calls - CNET
[04:17:21] <chromas> redirect is auto handled by wget; I'll see what options there are
[04:18:01] <Bytram> chromas: Oh, You're the one who wrote it? Cool!
[04:18:11] <Bytram> which version of wget are you using?
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[04:18:44] <chromas> 1.15
[04:19:04] <chromas> actually I noticed curl doesn't redirect by default. That could be good
[04:19:25] <chromas> just read the header myself and spit out the new url if it redirects
[04:20:09] <Bytram> chromas++ Sounds GREAT!
[04:20:09] <Bender> karma - chromas: 12
[04:20:48] <chromas> Not sure if anyone noticed earlier but a race condition occurs if there's more than one url in a message :)
[04:21:01] <chromas> or really close together
[04:21:15] <Bytram> yup; noticed that one.
[04:22:34] * Konomi yawns and waves
[04:22:44] * Bytram waves back at Konomi
[04:23:14] <Bytram> chromas: hmm, might this help w/ wget: --server-response Print the headers sent by HTTP servers
[04:23:33] <Konomi> curl -I example.com
[04:23:37] <Konomi> should do the same thing I think'
[04:26:21] <Bytram> it's been a LONG time since I used curl; wouldn't know.
[04:26:48] <Bytram> sticking with wget: --save-headers Save the headers sent by the HTTP server to the file, preceding the actual contents, with an empty line as the separator.
[04:27:45] <chromas> that almost works
[04:28:14] <chromas> only shows the final page so I need no auto redirects I guess. --max-redirect 0 I suppose
[04:28:29] <chromas> The curl one works
[04:28:36] <Bytram> Yay!
[04:29:00] <Konomi> I did something useful
[04:29:02] <chromas> except it doesn't have the body :)
[04:29:10] <Konomi> it feels like a special occusion suddenly
[04:29:25] <chromas> cupcakes++
[04:29:25] <Bender> karma - cupcakes: 1
[04:29:39] <Bytram> chromas: do you even *need* the body? Isn't the <title> in the <head>?
[04:29:52] <chromas> the http body
[04:30:02] <chromas> otherwise it only has the http header
[04:30:24] <chromas> -D
[04:30:29] <Bytram> Huh? Oh. Ooooooh.
[04:30:37] <Bytram> hmmm.
[04:31:04] <chromas> I can use -D header_file
[04:33:01] <chromas> might need to learn shell script
[04:33:22] * chromas makes things harder than they need to be
[05:04:12] <Bytram> how's it going? http://feedproxy.google.com
[05:04:14] <monopoly> Title: T-Mobile's network gets a boost with more capacity, LTE-powered calls - CNET
[05:08:24] <NCommander> Bytram, eh :-/
[05:08:50] <Bytram> sounds like you have a cough! ;)
[05:09:07] * NCommander whacks Bytram
[05:09:33] * Bytram just smiles politely
[05:10:34] <Bytram> here's some positive news.. UTF-8 support is still in progress, but I created some test data for all the Named Character Entities from HTML 4.0
[05:10:50] <Bytram> take a look at: http://meta.dev.soylentnews.org
[05:10:51] <monopoly> Title: Dev.SN Comments | Unicode test
[05:12:33] <cykros> NCommander: you still in the boston area?
[05:13:33] <Bytram> to my knowledge, those are all of the Named Character Entities listed in: http://www.w3.org
[05:13:34] <monopoly> Title: Character entity references in HTML 4
[05:16:55] <mrcool|work> BRB
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[05:17:51] <Bytram> Oh, this will be interesting: http://go.theregister.com
[05:17:52] <monopoly> Title: U.S. Marshals leak list of possible Bitcoin buyers • The Register
[05:21:50] <swiss> http://imgur.com
[05:21:51] <monopoly> Title: imgur: the simple image sharer
[05:22:16] <Bytram> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[05:22:17] <monopoly> Title: SpaceX's Elon Musk: I'll put HUMAN BOOTS on MARS by 2026 • The Register
[05:23:03] * Bytram wonders what the boots would be good for without people in them.
[05:23:50] <swiss> walking
[05:24:47] <Bytram> swiss: LOL!
[05:43:40] <Bytram> hey all, time for some shut eye.
[05:43:46] <Bytram> g'night everybody!
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[05:52:09] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: still around?
[05:55:16] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I am
[06:12:21] * mrcoolbp whacks NCommander
[06:12:32] <mrcoolbp> HAH. how do you like it?
[06:13:33] * NCommander took a whacking antidote
[06:13:34] <NCommander> ...
[06:13:37] <NCommander> didn't work
[06:13:41] * NCommander falls over unconscious
[06:13:55] <mrcoolbp> oh no!
[06:14:06] <mrcoolbp> who will run slash-site!?
[06:18:32] <mrcoolbp> in soviet Russia slash-site runs....oh nevermind
[06:22:03] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, you jest, but thats a serious concern
[06:37:36] <Popeidol> soviet russia is always a serious concern
[06:37:51] <mrcoolbp> it sure comes up alot
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[07:12:14] <chromas> Damn chocolate headache
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[08:52:54] <arti> greetings juggs
[08:54:34] <juggs> hola arti, how goes it?
[08:55:00] <arti> pretty good, i'm looking up creating functions at run time for a random idea
[08:55:18] <arti> for shits and giggles i want to detect if a debugger is present
[08:55:32] <arti> patching that stuff out is pretty easy
[08:55:40] <arti> so i figured why not make a function at run time
[08:56:29] <juggs> sounds painful
[08:56:32] <arti> briefly looked at template programming for haskell
[08:56:40] <arti> then i sifted around C
[08:56:54] <arti> came across this little gem
[08:56:59] <Subsentient> arti: just learn it already
[08:56:59] <arti> byte[3] func = { 0x90, 0x0f, 0x1 } *reinterpret_cast<void**>(&func)()
[08:57:20] <arti> learn what? how to annoy you?
[08:57:24] <arti> i'm already doing well at that
[08:57:29] <arti> i'm level 9
[08:57:53] <arti> i'm frustrated with some web stuff so i'm switching gears >.>
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[09:31:33] <arti> g'day
[09:31:52] <crutchy> g'day arti
[09:32:36] <arti> spot any dropbears today?
[09:40:25] <crutchy> nah
[09:40:35] <crutchy> must be too cold
[09:40:44] <arti> so they only drop when they're ripe?
[09:40:50] <crutchy> guess what... APK is at Soylent!
[09:40:57] <crutchy> lol yeah prolly
[09:41:09] <crutchy> or when there's a fresh pair to drop onto
[09:41:29] <chromas> You're still talking about dropbears, right?
[09:41:48] <crutchy> err. yeah. at least i think so :-P
[09:42:17] <arti> just confuse people on purpose
[09:42:34] <arti> like when i have someone new to the area, i take different ways each time
[09:43:19] <crutchy> and then you have them for breakfast?
[09:44:03] <juggs> with a chilled
[09:44:06] <juggs> chianti?
[09:44:24] <crutchy> ~define chianti
[09:44:30] <exec> [wolframalpha] chianti: noun | dry red Italian table wine from the Chianti region of Tuscany
[09:44:57] <arti> crutchy, wines are very similar to beer
[09:45:05] <arti> except they're made from grapes
[09:45:06] <crutchy> ew chilled red wine
[09:45:25] <arti> the best kinds come in boxes
[09:45:37] <crutchy> never heard of chianti but i prefer mine woody and cheap
[09:45:40] <Jaruzel> a lot of new world reds are so fresh that they taste better chilled.
[09:45:46] <crutchy> and at room temp
[09:45:47] <Jaruzel> i'm not a fan tho, ethier
[09:46:01] <arti> tour de franzia
[09:46:12] <arti> ~define tour de franzia
[09:46:14] <exec> [urbandictionary] tour de franzia: contestants race to finish a bag of franzia wine, and then ride bikes.
[09:47:02] <crutchy> Jaruzel: i'm lucky if i can find a bottle more than 5 years old lately, so you might be onto something there
[09:47:26] <arti> i hate it when they give you some old wine
[09:48:15] <Jaruzel> here in the UK there was a fad a few years back, where supermarkets stocked wine (and I kid you not) labeled 'House Red' and 'House White'
[09:48:39] <arti> i found it amusing to read about the 'bread wars'
[09:48:39] <crutchy> yeah especially when a bunch of old farts have been squishing their crusty feet all through it
[09:48:48] <arti> some people like feet
[09:48:52] <arti> others like being walked all over
[09:49:00] <crutchy> one beardy in particular
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[09:49:11] <arti> rustling up some grub
[09:49:28] <SirFinkus> well that's a new one, desktop just bluescreened, but no error message
[09:49:34] <SirFinkus> just like 10 random characters
[09:49:35] <SirFinkus> fun stuff
[09:49:55] <crutchy> "i'll have a glass of your house red please"..... "aisle 7"
[09:50:13] <Jaruzel> the US don't do dipthongs, so Paedo becomes Pedo, ergo Pedophila literally means foot-f*cker.
[09:50:16] <crutchy> take a screen dump :-P
[09:50:31] <arti> foetus
[09:50:37] <crutchy> or a dump on your screen
[09:50:52] <crutchy> toetus
[09:50:52] <arti> i don't think he has a screen session running crutchy
[09:51:16] <SirFinkus> gonna check the dump I guess
[09:51:25] <SirFinkus> it's never not shown an error on bluescreen though
[09:51:27] <crutchy> screen -x --dump dog dirt
[09:52:05] <arti> sirfinkus, there's an api call to will bluescreens
[09:52:16] <Jaruzel> hmm choices today: a) do work, b) code my MUD some more, c) watch Dr Who
[09:52:17] <crutchy> ~con/con?
[09:52:24] <arti> b!
[09:52:35] <Jaruzel> yeah, I'm thinking B.
[09:52:35] <arti> con/con is awesome
[09:52:42] <crutchy> play in mud?
[09:52:57] <arti> so what's awesome about your mud?
[09:53:08] <crutchy> is it muddy?
[09:53:08] <Jaruzel> nothing, it's totally unawesome.
[09:53:32] <arti> is it mostly sketches and text file ramblings at this point?
[09:53:48] <arti> you should host it with code spaces
[09:53:52] <Jaruzel> lol
[09:53:59] <Jaruzel> *poof* and it's gone.
[09:54:08] <arti> "bunny men TURTLE cobalt"
[09:54:16] <Jaruzel> http://www.jaruzel.com
[09:54:17] <monopoly> ➥ 9What is MUD32(.NET) ? | MUD32 (.NET) Development Blog (http://www.jaruzel.com/mud32/?id=201310292002160789)
[09:54:49] <arti> thank you
[09:54:51] <crutchy> call it w32/mud
[09:55:15] <crutchy> hmm actually gotta add some z's and x's to be hax0r l33t
[09:55:28] <crutchy> w32/mudzzzzzxxxxxx
[09:55:38] <arti> ah pretty cool
[09:55:52] <crutchy> ooh monopoly been upgraded
[09:56:02] <arti> does it now buy park place?
[09:56:20] <chromas> Do you have $1200?
[09:56:28] <arti> yes
[09:56:39] <Jaruzel> buy the orange ones, tactically the best monopoly locations
[09:56:47] <arti> you have to coax it out from the 'wallet'
[09:57:07] <arti> those are paired with the green, right?
[09:57:09] <monopoly> Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.
[09:57:34] <crutchy> "and you must be the monopoly guy... thanks for the free parking"
[10:01:31] <Jaruzel> OMG!!!111 Facebook is down. It's the End of the World!!!
[10:01:46] <crutchy> ~isup facebook.com
[10:01:47] <exec> facebook.com: HTTP/1.1 503 No server is available for the request
[10:01:51] <crutchy> ooh
[10:02:21] <Jaruzel> probably down for it's weekly NSA Audit
[10:03:18] <chromas> Whose javascript will drown our browsers now?
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[10:04:24] <crutchy> g'day Subsentient
[10:04:32] <Subsentient> hi crutchy
[10:04:38] <arti> careful, he's peanutbuttered
[10:04:53] <Jaruzel> 3 months ago my main pc was still a 10 year old Pentium 4 - everything worked fine, Office apps, Visual Studio, Warcraft... it was all those ruddy javascript heavy websites that in the end forced me to upgrade to new kit :(
[10:05:20] <Subsentient> Jaruzel: I know your pain.
[10:05:21] <crutchy> there's your problem right there.... visual studio.. yep
[10:05:48] <crutchy> it ate your pyewta
[10:05:52] <Subsentient> Jaruzel: I am typing this from a PPC32 eMac G4 with Debian PowerPC.
[10:06:13] <arti> oh yeah? i'm typing this on a toaster
[10:06:20] <Subsentient> The machine I am using next to it is a Celeron with 384MB of RAM.
[10:06:20] <Jaruzel> nice. I always liked the G4s
[10:06:41] <crutchy> does it have flying toasters screensaver?
[10:06:46] <Subsentient> No.
[10:06:49] <Jaruzel> so now, my main box is an AMD A10, and it's shit.
[10:07:02] <Subsentient> The celeron has no support for screensavers, as mandated by his rodentiness Subsentient.
[10:07:05] <Subsentient> It runs SubLinux.
[10:07:14] <Subsentient> And therefore it has no screensavers because I hate screensavers.
[10:07:41] <crutchy> arti's toastpyewta needs a screensaver
[10:08:04] <Jaruzel> I use one screen saver on all my boxes, a self coded thing that simply floats the time and date about the screen. useful, yet simple.
[10:08:13] <arti> nah, i just arrange the coils to make bread with the desired shapes on them
[10:08:39] <Subsentient> Jaruzel: Hilarious you should say that.
[10:08:55] <Subsentient> I am learning ncurses and as a test I made a bouncing green ncurses clock.
[10:09:09] <crutchy> is it a quad slice?
[10:09:21] <Subsentient> Here's the source. build with -std=gnu89 and link with ncurses via -lcurses
[10:09:29] <Subsentient> http://universe2.us
[10:09:35] <Subsentient> Jaruzel: See if that tickles you.
[10:09:41] <crutchy> i made a matrix screensaver with delphi once
[10:09:57] <crutchy> and a raindrop one
[10:10:53] <crutchy> ooh and a kind of tron worm thing with a fading tail that grew when it went past a piece of food
[10:11:05] <Jaruzel> thats cute
[10:11:24] <crutchy> gdi not great for screensavers though
[10:11:33] <arti> lol
[10:11:39] <arti> "god damn it"
[10:11:50] <crutchy> :-P
[10:11:55] <arti> gdi, harkens from the days of yore
[10:35:35] * crutchy offers arti some green liquorice
[10:35:53] * arti accepts the offering
[10:36:29] * crutchy waits for rain
[10:37:01] <arti> the last liquorice i bought ants got to it (i left it on the patio table at a friends place)
[10:37:17] <crutchy> that sux
[10:37:32] <arti> well they seemed to be pleased with it
[10:37:51] * arti doesn't buy it too often
[10:37:55] <crutchy> ~stats-lines arti
[10:38:06] <exec> privmsg count for arti in #soylent: 7917
[10:38:17] <arti> noice.
[10:38:31] <crutchy> doesn't do actions yet
[10:38:51] <crutchy> ~stats first arti
[10:39:04] <crutchy> ~stats-first arti
[10:39:15] <exec> first privmsg for arti in #soylent: [2014-03-06 07:20:46] what about doc ock?
[10:39:45] <crutchy> loggie doesn't go as far back as yours
[10:40:43] <arti> that sounds about right, i've been lazy about restoring the stats heh
[10:40:57] <crutchy> i'm not really sure what i could use it for. maybe extracting !grabs
[10:43:00] <crutchy> i just liked the dotty plotty
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[10:43:29] <crutchy> if i could be bothered i'd code a dotty plotty with gd
[10:44:12] <chromas> also for sed-ing
[10:44:23] <chromas> so it can look back a few messages to find a match
[10:44:34] <crutchy> ooh
[10:45:14] <crutchy> ~stats-lines chromas
[10:45:22] <crutchy> it's a little slow
[10:45:25] <exec> privmsg count for chromas in #soylent: 4267
[10:45:32] <chromas> Time to upgrade to postgres
[10:45:46] <crutchy> even with local cache of all but today's log
[10:46:15] <chromas> ooh, you could create a server in delphi that provides an interface between exec and db
[10:46:20] <crutchy> microsoft mysql postgreserver
[10:49:53] <chromas> mypostgresfirebird
[10:50:23] <arti> http://antiartificial.com
[10:50:23] <monopoly> ➥ 9#Soylent stats: 19.6.2014! (http://antiartificial.com/stats/soylent/soylent.html)
[10:50:58] <arti> ooh colors
[10:51:41] <chromas> for attention whoring
[10:59:26] <arti> aha, i see my error
[11:01:44] <crutchy> hmm 6am is the time to chat
[11:02:46] <arti> refresh
[11:03:26] <arti> modified the log selection statement, there was a log not included due to my improper use of wildcards
[11:03:49] <crutchy> if it's 6am utc, that would be about 4pm in australia?
[11:04:04] <arti> uh
[11:04:09] <crutchy> or am i backwards
[11:04:39] <arti> you're by canberra?
[11:05:06] <crutchy> +10 yeah same as canberra
[11:05:21] <crutchy> i'm about due south of there
[11:05:50] <crutchy> ~time traralgon
[11:05:52] <exec> [Google] 7:05pm Thursday (EST) - Time in Traralgon VIC, Australia
[11:05:55] <arti> UTC-7 and UTC+10
[11:06:25] <crutchy> is the stats page your local time?
[11:06:31] <arti> yeah
[11:06:36] <crutchy> ah
[11:07:13] <arti> the way to improve stats would be to have it parse based on the viewer time instead of the local
[11:07:15] <crutchy> aw too hard for to work out
[11:07:26] <crutchy> ~exec work-out-stuff
[11:07:27] <arti> 17 hours?
[11:08:08] <crutchy> so 6am your time is about 1am my time
[11:08:29] <crutchy> ~time arti
[11:08:31] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Thursday, 19 June 2014, 09:08:30 am
[11:08:47] <arti> 02:08
[11:09:36] <crutchy> wow you night owl
[11:09:58] <arti> indeed
[11:10:07] <arti> it's quiet and peaceful
[11:10:32] <crutchy> except for the sound of the tumbleweed rustling between my ears
[11:10:48] * crutchy tells tumbleweed to shut up
[11:10:55] <arti> and the winds
[11:11:21] <crutchy> err they are a little further down
[11:11:45] <crutchy> lucky for you we don't have smell-o-chat
[11:12:10] <arti> cyber sniff
[11:14:32] <crutchy> ~weather crutchy
[11:14:34] <exec> Weather for Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 2014-06-19 08:00:00 (UTC) ~ 1.2 hrs ago:
[11:14:35] <exec> temperature = 44.2°F (6.8°C) dewpoint = 42.6°F (5.9°C)
[11:14:35] <exec> barometric pressure = 1019 mb ~ change of -1.3 mb over past 3 hrs relative humdity = 93%
[11:14:36] <exec> wind speed = 2 mph (3.2 km/h) wind direction = 20°
[11:14:59] <crutchy> cold tonight
[11:15:07] * Konomi is sick of the cold
[11:15:23] <crutchy> ~weather konomi
[11:15:26] <exec> Weather for Nagoya, 23, Japan at 2014-06-19 08:00:00 (UTC) ~ 1.3 hrs ago:
[11:15:26] <exec> temperature = 80.4°F (26.9°C) dewpoint = 61.7°F (16.5°C)
[11:15:27] <exec> barometric pressure = 1005.6 mb ~ change of 0.2 mb over past 1 hrs relative humdity = 53%
[11:15:27] <exec> wind speed = 11 mph (17.6 km/h) wind direction = 170°
[11:15:30] <Konomi> ha
[11:15:34] <crutchy> lol
[11:15:36] <Konomi> I wish I was in japan ;p
[11:15:45] <crutchy> ~weather botfart
[11:15:46] <exec> Weather for "botfart" not found. Check spelling or try another nearby location.
[11:15:49] * Konomi is listening to the government on the radio
[11:15:50] <crutchy> aww
[11:15:54] * Konomi does not like what she hears
[11:16:10] <Konomi> crutchy: do you have digital radio yet?
[11:16:16] <arti> something special?
[11:16:20] <crutchy> governments are very predictable
[11:16:38] <crutchy> there's a couple of radio channels on the set top boxes
[11:16:59] <Konomi> arti: there was one particular section where some idiot decided to highlight the benifits one single person got out of work for hte dole program here
[11:17:07] <arti> well you've high scored for days active crutchy
[11:17:18] <Konomi> anaectdotal evidence = yes
[11:17:22] <Konomi> monash study = no
[11:17:34] <crutchy> i'm sorry. i don't talk much in meatspace
[11:17:46] <arti> just get multiple anecdotes
[11:17:49] <crutchy> i think you're stats is telling porky pies :-P
[11:18:10] <arti> then you've got data :D
[11:18:11] <Konomi> I really hate when politicans do that though
[11:18:24] <Konomi> oh look one person got a benifit obviously everyone is
[11:18:33] <crutchy> ~stats-lines crutchy
[11:18:34] <arti> how about we get a giant wood chipper and feed them into it
[11:18:44] <exec> privmsg count for crutchy in #soylent: 18793
[11:18:51] <Konomi> I can't see how they wouldn't be more useful as mushy gibs
[11:18:53] <arti> make soylent products out of them
[11:18:54] <crutchy> i wanna be a dole bludger when i growd up
[11:19:03] <arti> "check out my sweet new soaps"
[11:19:07] <Konomi> crutchy: you're going to be a politican?
[11:19:13] <crutchy> lol
[11:19:25] <arti> dole bludger
[11:19:27] <crutchy> nah i'm allergic to bs
[11:19:33] <arti> pfft, you wouldn't hang here then
[11:19:39] <crutchy> lol
[11:19:49] <crutchy> here we just have dog dirt :-P
[11:20:21] <arti> idk look at yeast and brewing
[11:20:24] <arti> some of it is good
[11:20:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hackers Replicate NSA's Leaked Bugging Devices - http://sylnt.us - Good-for-the-Gander
[11:20:51] <crutchy> Bender: s/ing/ering/
[11:20:51] <SedBot> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hackers Replicate NSA's Leaked Buggering Devices - http://sylnt.us - Good-for-the-Gander
[11:21:17] <crutchy> i don't know why i insist on doing that
[11:22:01] <arti> because it needed doing. wizards do things for these reasons alone
[11:23:18] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[11:23:18] <monopoly> ➥ 9Walt Disney's The Sword in the Stone "Higitus Figitus" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bd5YUEOwlE)
[11:25:16] <crutchy> err.... hockity pockety
[11:31:34] <crutchy> mike rotch... has anyone seen mike rotch lately?
[11:32:35] <arti> sounds like old simpsons stuff
[11:32:55] <arti> amanda hugnkiss
[11:34:29] <crutchy> "Uh, hey, everybody! I'm a stupid moron with an ugly face and a big butt and my butt smells and I like to kiss my own butt."
[11:34:43] <crutchy> my fave :-)
[11:35:05] <arti> i haven't watched the show regularly in over a decade
[11:35:16] <arti> they still do the halloween specials?
[11:35:20] <crutchy> http://www.youtube.com
[11:35:21] <monopoly> ➥ 9I'm a stupid moron with an ugly face - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbaPQSoYbEw)
[11:38:00] <arti> most popular word: 'there'
[11:39:41] <arti> oh no wonder you're so high, from the bot testing
[11:39:52] <arti> "~time"(134)
[11:40:12] * arti might have to code some exceptions :P
[11:40:42] <crutchy> lol
[11:40:56] <arti> strip out commands, ~ or ! or .
[11:40:58] <crutchy> yeah. its not my fault see :)
[11:41:21] <arti> "muddy"(5), "midway"(4), "booger"(4), "bitten"(4), "coitus"(3), "fatter"(3), "tigger"(3)
[11:41:32] <arti> these are words we use
[11:41:37] <crutchy> ihmm some good words there
[11:41:47] <arti> "crapd"(7), "dolly"(4), "~monitor"(13), "Mordor"(6), "slops"(3), "mumbai"(4), "erstor"(3)
[11:41:56] <arti> you and exec
[11:41:57] <crutchy> lol slops
[11:43:09] <crutchy> it found xanlan?
[11:43:19] <crutchy> does it monitor all channels?
[11:43:36] <arti> yes, but this is specific to #soylent
[11:43:55] <arti> well, all that i observe
[11:44:05] * arti isn't everywhere
[11:44:16] <crutchy> i thought most of the xanlan stuff was in #sublight and #~
[11:44:46] <crutchy> i guess it only mentions 3 times
[11:45:03] <arti> top 15 stats freaks: 1 crutchy 26 "arti, your stats thingy is borked"
[11:45:50] <arti> my activity has declined recently proportional to borderlands 2
[11:46:07] <crutchy> haha
[11:46:45] <crutchy> when did i say that borky thing?
[11:47:00] <arti> not sure, it's randomly selected
[11:47:25] <arti> i'd have to grep for it
[11:47:29] <arti> greptar
[11:47:44] <crutchy> grrrr
[11:48:20] <crutchy> tyrannosaurus greps
[11:48:34] <arti> that's a good one
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[11:50:39] <arti> alright, i'm off, catch you in a bit
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[11:53:46] <crutchy> cya arti
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[12:51:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Bill Gates-Funded Super Bananas Ready For Human Testing - http://sylnt.us - Little-Eric-Volunteers
[12:53:49] <chromas> Bender: s/Banana/Glue Stick/
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[13:02:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:02:41] <Bender> karma - coffee: 262
[13:06:07] <crutchy> coffee++
[13:06:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 263
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[13:32:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Saving Old Software from Extinction in the Age of Cloud Computing: - http://sylnt.us - Memory-Hole
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[14:18:19] <Bytram> G'Morning World!
[14:18:35] <Bytram> testing info: http://codepoints.net
[14:18:36] <Bytram> o=&UIdeo=&IDSB=&IDST=&Radical=&Dep=&VS=&NChar=
[14:19:29] <Bytram> Heh! my chat client (HexChat) automagically truncated the URL :/
[14:20:43] <Bytram> VER
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[14:27:29] <Bytram> .query TheMightyBuzzard
[14:27:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> sup
[14:27:42] <Bytram> g'morning!
[14:27:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin
[14:27:50] <Bytram> got a present for you...
[14:27:56] <Bytram> hold on a sec...
[14:28:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> working utf8==0?
[14:28:27] <Bytram> I dunno about THAT, but this might help you find out! http://meta.dev.soylentnews.org
[14:28:33] <monopoly> ➥ 9Dev.SN Comments | Unicode test (http://meta.dev.soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=1092&cid=25834)
[14:28:48] <Bytram> that, to my knowledge, has ALL of the named character entities defined in HTML 4.0 spec
[14:29:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> nifty. no help just now but may be later.
[14:30:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> just finished cleaning all the utf8==0 work i did yesterday out and starting fresh with working utf8==1 today.
[14:30:16] <Bytram> I'd previously noticed that "—" displayed nothing in story submittals...
[14:30:35] <Bytram> that test suggests that there is a bunch of named entities that get actively filtered out.
[14:30:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Genes Found in Nature Yield 1918-like Virus With Pandemic Potential - http://sylnt.us - Fly,-my-pretties,-fly!
[14:30:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> on live or on dev?
[14:31:08] <Bytram> dev.
[14:31:16] <Bytram> scroll down to "atin small f with hook = function = florin, U+0192 ISOtech:"
[14:31:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, there's a lot that shouldn't be filtered being filtered
[14:31:27] <Bytram> things start "disappearing" from there
[14:31:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> tracing the origins of that down today
[14:31:51] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[14:31:52] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 16
[14:32:10] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:32:10] * Bytram kicks juggler
[14:32:10] <Bender> karma - coffee: 264
[14:32:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> with any luck that'll have us doing utf8==0 soon
[14:32:23] <Bytram> !woop
[14:32:23] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[14:32:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> aka off switch for utf8
[14:32:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> on switch works fine already.
[14:32:53] <Bytram> yay! so, I am curious as to effect...
[14:33:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> if i knew where to do all the setting to let this vm run not on localhost i'd forward the port and let you play with it.
[14:34:06] <Bytram> UTF-8 == 0 means... what? that one can/cannot enter: a) named entities b) decimal numeric ents c) lowercase hex numeric ents d) uppercase hex numeric ents e) copy-pasta Unicode
[14:34:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, means one can enter entities and unicode all you like and the entities will stay and the unicode will get turned into &#nnnn;
[14:35:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> utf8==1 means you can enter whatever you like and it will get stored in the db exactly as you entered it.
[14:37:24] <Bytram> oh? So, it's not so much about *supporting* UTF-8 as it is about what kind of *translations* are performed on the way to the DB? (And on the way back, too?)
[14:38:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> ==0 is just a fallback in case we need to shut unicode going into the DB off for a bit because something is broken.
[14:39:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, the idea is to always be able to display and accept unicode input but not put it in the db as literal unicode characters if we have utf8 turned off
[14:41:08] <Bytram> so, woud I be wrong in looking at the switch as meaning: send-utf8-to-db-as-is?
[14:41:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> for 1, that'd be accurate
[14:41:54] <Bytram> Ahhhhhhhh! Now I think I'm getting it! So...
[14:43:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> oops, speaking of... just realized that i took out the block bad characters by numeric codepoint from ==1
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[14:43:46] <Bytram> if I type in a comment: "this is a less than character: <" it does NOT matter what utf8 is set to because it gets stored exactly as-is because it has NO "native/inline" utf8 characters in it.
[14:44:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, true
[14:44:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> ditto ॸ
[14:44:21] <Bytram> Ah HA!
[14:45:39] <Bytram> so, this utf stuff has absolutely nothing to do with character entities of any sort? It is strictly pertaining to the processing of "literal" UTF-8 chars coming into slash (e.g. copy-pasta; alt+keypad, whatevah)?
[14:46:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[14:47:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> tis my firm belief that ents should always be allowed, though filtered for badness.
[14:48:01] * Bytram is experiencing a large venn diagram realignment and struggles with the implications for a moment
[14:48:09] <Bytram> Woods: G'morning!
[14:48:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Woods
[14:50:14] <Popeidol> TheMightyBuzzard: please tell me you are talking about the tree people
[14:50:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> whozawha?
[14:50:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> Popeidol, don't confuse me. my brain's thinking in perl rather than english right now.
[14:51:09] <Popeidol> <TheMightyBuzzard> tis my firm belief that ents should always be allowed, though filtered for badness.
[14:51:24] <Bytram> filtered for badness - like: right-to-left mark (‏) AND left-to-right mark (‎)
[14:51:27] <Popeidol> that is such a great sentence to fit into LoTR canon
[14:51:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, no. html encoded entities
[14:51:41] <Bytram> any others? need to have them enumerated for testing purposes
[14:52:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, i have no idea about others. those go in the db and can be edited as necessary by someone not me.
[14:52:31] <Bytram> LOL! The march of the Ents!
[14:53:07] <Bytram> do I understand correctly that once it is in the DB, there is NO filtering when pulled for display? We assume that DB data is always good... or am I mistaken?
[14:53:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> you are not
[14:53:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> so if badness gets in, someone has to go and edit it out manually
[14:54:51] <Bytram> wait. Oh, I am NOT MISTAKEN; iow we DO trust the DB to contain only valid/good/okay stuff.
[14:54:53] <Woods> Hiya, fellas.
[14:56:25] <Bytram> afk back in five mins
[15:00:26] <Woods> Did I ruin the conversation? Sorry.
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[15:01:31] <Bytram> back
[15:02:40] <Bytram> Woods: nope; need to re-orient my brain in light of recent info
[15:02:40] <Bytram> s/need/needed/
[15:02:40] <SedBot> <Bytram> Woods: nope; needed to re-orient my brain in light of recent info
[15:03:07] <Woods> Bytram: s/brain/pants/
[15:03:15] <Bytram> I wonder if monopoly is running ok: http://phys.org
[15:03:17] <monopoly> ➥ 9Harley-Davidson introduces electric motorcycle (http://phys.org/news/2014-06-harley-davidson-electric-motorcycle.html)
[15:03:28] <Woods> Oohhh, fancy.
[15:03:39] <Bytram> WOW! chromas NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:04:44] <Bytram> chromas: I'd suggest you chat with Juggs about rolling you're enhancements into his #rss-bot channel
[15:04:44] <Bytram> that is awesome!
[15:04:47] * Bytram puts on QA hat
[15:05:18] <Bytram> one: http://phys.org and two: http://phys.org
[15:05:20] <monopoly> ➥ 9An unhandled exception occurred at $0000000000400423 :
[15:05:20] <monopoly> EInOutError : File not found
[15:05:20] <monopoly> $0000000000400423
[15:05:20] <monopoly>
[15:05:20] <monopoly> ()
[15:05:21] <exec> alias "~sed_6705140699" requires additional trailing argument
[15:05:25] <Woods> OH GOD
[15:05:37] <Bytram> !woop
[15:05:37] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[15:05:52] * Bytram ponders
[15:05:58] <Woods> This is why we cannot have nice things, Bytram.
[15:06:02] <Bytram> one: http://phys.org
[15:06:08] <monopoly> ➥ 9Review: Amazon phone watches you watch it (http://phys.org/news/2014-06-amazon.html)
[15:06:11] <Bytram> two: http://phys.org
[15:06:12] <monopoly> ➥ 9BlackBerry posts a 1Q profit, beats expectations (http://phys.org/news/2014-06-blackberry-1q-profit.html)
[15:06:49] <Bytram> ok, it can handle redirection with singleton URLs
[15:07:06] <Bytram> barfs on multiple URLs having redirection
[15:07:32] <Bytram> how about multiple URLs having NO redirection?
[15:08:06] <Bytram> one: http://soylentnews.org
[15:08:10] <Bytram> two: http://soylentnews.org
[15:08:11] <Woods> I think Monopoly is my favorite bot, every time I run across a Youtube link anywhere, I want to post it in here so I can know what it goes to... Except I think I might be too embarrassed if it were some type of rule 34 thing.
[15:08:12] <monopoly> ➥ 9SoylentNews | Hackers Replicate NSA's Leaked Bugging Devices (http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/06/19/0423254)
[15:08:12] <monopoly> ➥ 9SoylentNews | Bill Gates-Funded Super Bananas Ready For Human Testing (http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/06/19/0427213)
[15:08:26] <Bytram> one: http://soylentnews.org AND two: http://soylentnews.org
[15:08:26] <monopoly> ➥ 9SoylentNews | Hackers Replicate NSA's Leaked Bugging Devices (http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/06/19/0423254)
[15:09:10] * Bytram waits
[15:09:33] * Bytram reverses URL order
[15:09:48] <Bytram> one: http://soylentnews.org AND two: http://soylentnews.org
[15:09:50] <monopoly> ➥ 9SoylentNews | Bill Gates-Funded Super Bananas Ready For Human Testing (http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/06/19/0427213)
[15:10:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty sure it only does one per line
[15:10:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder... http://localhost
[15:11:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> good good, thought he'd stripped that out.
[15:11:06] <Bytram> well, it WAS a known issue (race condition IIRC) when multiple URLs were fe3d to monopoly
[15:11:24] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: LOL!
[15:11:30] <Bytram> http://127.0.0.1:80
[15:11:35] <Bytram> LOL!
[15:12:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't decide how i wanna do the stripping of bad unicode text
[15:12:11] <Bytram> nice!
[15:12:36] <Bytram> what is "bad unicode text", exactly?
[15:12:47] <Woods> TheMightyBuzzard: Burn it with a mighty cleansing fire.
[15:13:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds good, just debating on where to put the fire
[15:14:18] <Bytram> Devil's advocate mode=on: store it in DB as a numeric entity?
[15:15:10] <Bytram> If you do THAT, then in the DB it would just be a stream of ASCII characters, right?
[15:15:43] <Bytram> Or, are you ALSO looking to remove potential security-compromising characters?
[15:17:38] <Woods> Like &pass
[15:18:45] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: for example, if you encounter the unicode code point for left-to-right mark (U+200E; 0x200E == 8206) coming in from the user (say in a comment), store it either as "‎", or maybe as "&#8206;"??
[15:18:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, db can handle unicode just peachy so it gets to unless we set utf8==0
[15:19:27] <Bytram> ? so what did you mean by "can't decide how i wanna do the stripping of bad unicode text"
[15:19:41] <Bytram> what are you stripping?
[15:19:41] <Bytram> nograb
[15:20:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean currently utf8==1 does not strip against bad_numeric from the db as that code was written for entities.
[15:21:14] * Bytram ponders
[15:21:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> have to write a new one to return the either the approved unicode character or nothing based on bad_numeric
[15:21:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> no biggie, just had to decide where to put it.
[15:22:05] <Woods> !grab TheMightyBuzzard
[15:22:05] <Bender> Added quote 188
[15:22:33] <Bytram> so, would u strip it entirely, or replace it with a "standard" bad-char-replacement-symbol?
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[15:28:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, strip entirely
[15:28:25] <Woods> !grab TheMightyBuzzard
[15:28:25] <Bender> Added quote 189
[15:28:30] <Woods> Dang, this conversation is awesome.
[15:28:30] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[15:28:58] <Bytram> to keep the DB as clean as reasonably possible, I take it?
[15:32:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, not so much that as i don't particularly feel the need for a replacement character.
[15:34:14] <Bytram> and de-referencing it to appear as, say, "&#8206;" would prfeserve the data that was submitted, but I wonder about the possible ramifications down the line.
[15:35:05] <Bytram> delete *is* safest, but I personally dislike the *idea* of manipulating a user's submission in any way.
[15:35:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. would be a waste of db space and could lead to badness later on if decode_entity gets called on the & somewhere i didn't see.
[15:35:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> safer and cleaner to just remove the character.
[15:36:02] <Bytram> I guess that as long as we *warn* them in advance, and *ensure* that the preview reveals ALL deleted characters before the submit, it is manageable.
[15:36:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. preview will be exactly as it's going into the db
[15:36:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> badness will be stripped when you hit preview
[15:36:57] <Bytram> !grab Tachyon
[15:36:57] <Bender> Added quote 190
[15:37:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> or, for comments, either when you hit preview or when you hit submit.
[15:37:13] <Tachyon> ?
[15:37:35] <Bytram> sry, was trying to !grab TheMightyBuzzard but autocomplete borked
[15:38:05] <Tachyon> ah :)
[15:38:06] <Tachyon> ok
[15:38:54] <Bytram> Tachyon: great nick btw!
[15:39:01] <Tachyon> xD
[15:39:04] <paulej72> We need to do some browser testing, I think ltr and rtl are fine now because modern browsers do not let the overrides get past the current block emement. (ie div or p)
[15:39:34] <Tachyon> usually somebody jokes about detecting tachyon particles which indicates temporal anomaly captain :D
[15:39:36] <Bytram> paulej72: that's good to know, but some of us run on, ummm, older browsers, too.
[15:40:17] <Bytram> Tachyon: That's the nice thing about it. I'm going to send you that joke in about 5 minutes, but you got it already!
[15:40:26] <Tachyon> :-))))
[15:41:01] * Bytram notes that Tachyon is really quick!
[15:41:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apply Game Theory to Distributed Computing Scheduling - http://sylnt.us - Win-Loose-or-Draw
[15:41:54] <Bytram> Now why didn't *I* think of this: http://www.forbes.com
[15:41:55] <monopoly> ➥ 9App Raises $1m In Funding For Simply Sending The Message "Yo" Back And Forth - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jaymcgregor/2014/06/19/app-raises-1m-in-funding-for-simply-sending-the-message-yo-back-and-forth/)
[15:41:58] <Tachyon> we usually are
[15:41:59] <Tachyon> :D
[15:42:20] <Bytram> loose? brb
[15:43:47] <Bytram> fixed.
[15:43:55] <Bytram> http://sylnt.us
[15:44:11] <Bytram> http://soylentnews.org
[15:44:12] <monopoly> ➥ 9SoylentNews | Apply Game Theory to Distributed Computing Scheduling (http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/06/19/1114221)
[15:44:27] * Bytram offers a battery to monopoly
[15:44:35] <Bytram> ah, there it is!
[15:45:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, sorry, was off in code writing land
[15:46:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, let me give it a quick run through to make sure i haven't broken something in adding filtering for proper unicode rather than entities and i'll see about creating a pull you can stick on dev.
[15:48:49] <Bytram> while you two are going about that, I think I'm gonna take a break and get cleaned up for the day; back in a half-hour or so.
[15:49:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh, missing punctuation somewhere
[15:49:40] * Bytram offers TheMightyBuzzard a pile of semi-colons
[15:50:06] * Bytram thought of offering colons, but the thought passed
[15:50:09] <Bytram> =)
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[16:01:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, got a workable state for utf==1 if you want to poke it with a stick, paulej72
[16:02:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> really should put the db updates in the updates file
[16:04:16] <Woods> Bytram|afk: I GET IT
[16:07:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm
[16:08:13] <Subsentient> I gots working physics for the paddle and ball, and color! http://github.com
[16:08:20] <Subsentient> Now I just need to make bricks.
[16:13:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh, now i gotta write lines to convert the db and every single table to utf8. it's already done on dev but it needs to go in the upgrades file.
[16:16:16] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: not only in the upgrades file, but all of the creation files used by the inital slash install. They are usually call mysql.dump or myslq.schema or some such
[16:16:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> ouch
[16:17:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> have to learn the install process then too
[16:18:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> believe ima do some mad shell scripting to keep from having to do every one by hand
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[16:20:12] <Blackmoore> congrats Subsentient!
[16:20:22] <Blackmoore> moning all
[16:20:25] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[16:20:25] <Bender> karma - coffee: 265
[16:25:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> fear my bash knowins!
[16:26:13] * Bytram|afk pictures shell scripting being performed by The Hulk
[16:26:20] <Bytram|afk> Bash! Bash! Bash!
[16:26:22] <Bytram|afk> =)
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[16:36:56] <Blackmoore> Hulk Smash keyboard again! Why they not make stronger keyboard? Hulk strongest typer of all!
[16:37:36] <mechanicjay> Hulk need IBM Model M!
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[16:42:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, i think the alter table statements can go in just the upgrades file. there won't be any unicode text going in before it's applied.
[16:42:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> or does it not get applied in the initial install?
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[16:48:19] <Bytram|afk> TheMightyBuzzard: when you guys go to load the UTF-8 stuff up on dev, be sure to toss out a heads-up on #Editorial -- they've got some editors-in-training playing around on dev.
[16:48:58] <mattie_p> we'll probably want to have volunteers drive over to dev and bang on it for a while as well
[16:49:39] <Bytram|afk> nod nod
[16:50:28] <Bytram|afk> mattie_p: Ive been reading up on it and crafted a thing or two. See: http://meta.dev.soylentnews.org
[16:50:29] <monopoly> ➥ 9Dev.SN Comments | Unicode test (http://meta.dev.soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=1092&cid=25834)
[16:50:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Science and Mystery of the Twin Tornadoes That Hit Nebraska - http://sylnt.us - fascinating-weather-patterns
[16:54:11] <Blackmoore> *blink* https://soylentnews.org made front page.. as was? (i though someone might spruce up my lousy text)
[16:54:12] <monopoly> ➥ 9SoylentNews | About Operating Systems, and OS discussions. (https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/06/18/2324201)
[16:55:32] <Woods> Blackmoore: We do not want to put words in your mouth. :P Plus, it was not written poorly.
[16:56:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm.... some extra filtering going on that shouldn't be.
[16:58:03] <Bytram|afk> TheMightyBuzzard: not sure how to phrase this, so please bear with me. K? The flag "utf8" is, to me, semantically empty. Would suggest that syntax==semantics and change it to something like "allow_utf8_in_DB", instead.
[16:59:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> it was already set to "utf8" in the existing code.
[16:59:03] <Bytram|afk> I know you've done a lot of hard work getting to this point and it sounds like a PITA, but thinking down the road to the users of the site, and the fact that this is open source, someone else down the road might be trying to make sense of it, too.
[16:59:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> vars have a description in the vars table though
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[16:59:54] <Blackmoore> well thanks Woods - it looks like it DID stir discussion - which was the point
[17:00:17] <Bytram|afk> ok. yeah. I've just always found it easier whenever I can reduce the semantic load by putting things into the syntax.
[17:00:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> might very well be but at this point that's a lot of code changes.
[17:02:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you wanna go back and do it after i'm done getting it working, more power to you.
[17:02:15] <Bytram|afk> Yes, I understand that. If I could, I'd volunteer to do it, myself, but my box lacks the computes/memory to run a vm. I'd kick myself if I did not at least make a case for changing it...
[17:02:17] <Bytram|afk> hmm
[17:02:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't necessarily require a vm. just dead certainty that you did everything right.
[17:04:03] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: on a new install the upgrades file is not used. All of the changes made in the upgrade file must also be made in the original setup file.
[17:04:09] <Bytram|afk> I *might* just do that... assuming that a "grep -rHni utf" would find all the code places... Please track what other changes you make to support this so I can follow in your footsteps. K?
[17:04:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> ouch
[17:04:30] * Bytram|afk wishes he had a bigger/faster box and pipe.
[17:04:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... guess it's a buttload of documentation reading for me.
[17:04:53] <Bytram|afk> I'd like to think that git would provide some support for a diff. ??
[17:05:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram|afk, yep
[17:05:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram|afk, git diff file
[17:05:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> or did you mean for a diff file
[17:05:49] <Bytram|afk> idk, but that might be just enough so long as the *before* AND *after* versions are independently tagged.
[17:06:24] * Bytram|afk hasn't really played around much with git, but actually tested ClearCase back in the day.
[17:07:27] <Bytram|afk> conceptually: cd #root; git diff --from=version1 --to=version2 *.*
[17:07:36] <Bytram|afk> s/#/$/
[17:07:36] <SedBot> <Bytram|afk> conceptually: cd $root; git diff --from=version1 --to=version2 *.*
[17:08:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to be a while before it's all working anyway. found some wrong filtering happening on fields it shouldn't be happening on just for utf8==1 to be called working.
[17:08:24] <Bytram|afk> the idea being to compare *everything* and let me know what changed... I should be able to work back from that pretty readily.
[17:08:35] <Bytram|afk> np
[17:09:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus i gotta learn how to install now
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[17:11:25] * Bytram|afk admires TheMightyBuzzard's perseverance and dedication
[17:11:33] <Bytram|afk> TheMightyBuzzard++ One for the road.
[17:11:33] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 17
[17:11:41] <Bytram|afk> ok, I really gtg.
[17:11:45] <Bytram|afk> cya all later!
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[17:12:01] <crutchy> hi/bye Bytram|away :-)
[17:12:37] <Bytram|away> crutchy: hi/bye 2u2!
[17:12:52] <Blackmoore> cya Bytram|away
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[17:13:07] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: the db setup files are in the /mysql dir, the /themes/default/mysql/ dir/ and many of the /plugins/ dirs. I am not sure how slash uses them during the install, I just make sure the data in them are setup to give the correct result when first setting up the db. This means any of the deltas in upgrades need to be put into the file that orginally set up what is being changed. If it is a new var, it gets thrown into the
[17:13:08] <paulej72> file that creates the bulk of the vars, or with the specific pulgin file if available and appropriate
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[17:19:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. i'll figure it out later. got a good 4 hours in today already n could do with a change of pace.
[17:22:55] <Tachyon> dhttp://lwn.net
[17:22:56] <monopoly> ➥ 9US Supreme Court rules against software patents [LWN.net] (http://lwn.net/Articles/602889/rss)
[17:22:56] <Tachyon> !!
[17:23:13] <Tachyon> this is surely worth posting on SN
[17:23:24] <Tachyon> i have to go, somebody please do it :)
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[17:34:23] <Blackmoore> Tachyon: submitted
[17:35:40] <crutchy> Blackmoore: s/submitted/pulsed/
[17:35:41] <SedBot> <crutchy> <Blackmoore> pulsed
[17:35:57] <crutchy> err
[17:36:17] * crutchy scratches head
[17:36:22] <Woods> Weird.
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[17:37:36] <crutchy> a: b
[17:37:42] <crutchy> s/b/c/
[17:37:42] <SedBot> <crutchy> a: c
[17:38:15] <Blackmoore> hey Woods - I'm reading the PDF from the court.
[17:39:02] <Woods> Is it interesting? My tldr muscle is twitching when I open the link to it.
[17:39:03] <crutchy> Bytram|away: s/2u2/2bono/
[17:39:03] <SedBot> <crutchy> <Bytram|away> crutchy: hi/bye 2bono!
[17:39:43] <Blackmoore> yeah - I'm sure it invalidates the patent in the case.
[17:40:01] <Blackmoore> which was the "shadow banking" patent
[17:40:21] <Blackmoore> I'm NOT sure it invalidaes all software patents.
[17:41:23] <Blackmoore> it does look like the court is leaning that way
[17:42:36] <crutchy> without software patents some big companies going to go downhill fast
[17:42:39] <Blackmoore> as they are absoluly sure that "abstract ideas" can not be patented.
[17:42:55] <Blackmoore> (still parsing the leagleaze)
[17:43:19] <crutchy> how will microsoft feed its kids?
[17:44:25] <Blackmoore> :P
[17:44:43] <Blackmoore> i wish we had some of the crew from Grocklaw.
[17:46:38] <Blackmoore> however if we post it we will have beat damn near everyone else to the discussion.
[17:46:49] <Blackmoore> this hasnt hit ARS
[17:48:21] <Blackmoore> not techdirt.
[17:48:46] <Blackmoore> and slash has it up.
[17:52:06] <Tachyon> hm, slashdot first
[17:52:06] <Tachyon> (17:50:33)<Ananke> [slashdot] US Supreme Court Invalidates Patent For Being Software Patent http://rss.slashdot.org
[17:52:08] <monopoly> ➥ 9US Supreme Court Invalidates Patent For Being Software Patent - Slashdot (http://slashdot.org/slashdot.xrds)
[18:00:42] <Blackmoore> as it goes that was one of the more legible court docs i've ever read.
[18:02:33] <Woods> There you go, Blackmoore: http://soylentnews.org
[18:02:34] <monopoly> ➥ 9SoylentNews | US Supreme Court Rules Against Software Patents (http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/06/19/1554207)
[18:06:09] <Blackmoore> :)
[18:06:21] <Blackmoore> and I'm almost at 50 submissions..
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[18:07:36] <mattie_p> looks to me like it invalidates patents that merely require a computer for an existing method. New methods (ie innovation) might still be patentable
[18:10:58] <Woods> Blackmoore: I see you have submitted 55.
[18:11:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Supreme Court Rules Against Software Patents - http://sylnt.us
[18:12:05] <Blackmoore> well, it was like 47 accepted.
[18:13:12] <Woods> Ah. My goal is to maintain a 1:1 ratio of submitted:accepted.
[18:13:14] <Woods> So far, so good.
[18:13:30] <Blackmoore> and 3 on the front page today too.. woo..
[18:14:11] <Blackmoore> i'm going with the "throw mud at wall; see what sticks" model
[18:14:16] <Woods> lol
[18:14:25] <mattie_p> that sounds about right
[18:14:26] <Woods> It is working I think. I only have 9 submissions.
[18:15:25] <crutchy> Blackmoore: that's how i do programming :-P
[18:16:34] <Blackmoore> programming with "throw at mud at wall" oh god.. it's all copypasta.. and there's Scala ontop of C..in a Javascript function.. AAAAAHHHHH
[18:16:55] <chromas> Is that what's called spaghetti code?
[18:17:10] <Blackmoore> (it's ok i hear the GNU compiler will still handle it)
[18:18:06] <Blackmoore> spaghetti code tends to have a lot of hopping around, subroutines that don't return properly, got statments..
[18:18:07] <crutchy> chromas: its kinda "ah crap my stupid bot is doing weird things again... aw well at least it didn't kill itself... onwards and upwards!"
[18:18:16] <Blackmoore> goto
[18:18:51] <Blackmoore> (thinks I'll name the error handling code Seppuku)
[18:19:01] <chromas> That's what I was thinking, crutchy, as I scrolled back at monopoly's derp
[18:20:43] <crutchy> that's what i thought when exec was interpreting startup messages as commands yesterday
[18:21:09] <chromas> Blackmoore: apparently some people test their pasta by throwing it; that's what I had in mind. Poor walls
[18:21:30] <chromas> Ooh, I should have been paying attention to abuse it
[18:21:33] <crutchy> good way to test walls too
[18:22:15] <crutchy> esp if your pasta is made of metal
[18:22:44] <chromas> Hardcore!
[18:23:01] <chromas> Hardcore pasta
[18:24:01] <crutchy> could be a sign that if your pasta busts a hole in the wall that it has a bit too much fat
[18:24:58] <crutchy> wow i gotta get up in 4 hrs. wtf am i doing on irc
[18:25:11] <crutchy> nighty night :-)
[18:25:22] <chromas> Night, crutchy
[18:32:03] <chromas> Somebody mentioned four-hour sleep cycles before. Now I noticed I wake up every four or so
[18:33:29] <chromas> If it's around four hours then I can pop right up and do whatever but not if it's been six of something
[18:34:35] <Woods> Chromas: Interesting. I thought about trying a polyphasic sleep schedule, 6x 20 minute naps throughout the day. But I do not have enough to keep me busy at night.
[18:37:11] <crutchy> now i wanna try a transphasic schedule... then i can destroy borg in my sleep :-P
[18:37:23] <chromas> Yeah, coding probably isn't physical enough
[18:38:35] <crutchy> chromas: maybe try do the hustle while coding?
[18:39:19] <chromas> crutchy s/org/ourgeoisie/
[18:40:07] <crutchy> hmm might have to ductape keyboards to your wrists to really get into it
[18:40:26] * chromas needs to get on the (glow) ball with responders
[18:40:39] <chromas> Rejoinders
[18:41:04] <chromas> Which in keyboard thinks isn't a word
[18:41:17] <crutchy> lol
[18:41:17] <Woods> Crutchy++
[18:41:17] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 68
[18:41:28] <chromas> Damn
[18:41:33] <Woods> Wow, geeze.
[18:42:13] <chromas> Crutchy++ # for great justice
[18:42:14] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 69
[18:42:20] <Woods> Also, it should be noted, that while in transphasic sleep, your ability to destroy Borg will not change, but you CAN at least turn, unlike warp sleep.
[18:44:09] <mrcoolbp> ah, thanks
[18:44:16] <mrcoolbp> I was wondering
[18:44:19] <crutchy> chromas++
[18:44:19] <Bender> karma - chromas: 13
[18:44:28] <crutchy> chromas++
[18:44:28] <Bender> karma - chromas: 14
[18:44:33] <crutchy> can't have 13
[18:44:44] <crutchy> its not a real number
[18:46:06] <crutchy> its a top view of a weightlifter
[18:46:52] <Woods> Or a well-endowed woman.
[18:46:52] <chromas> Lol
[18:47:00] <crutchy> hahaha
[18:47:07] <crutchy> bewbs++
[18:47:07] <Bender> karma - bewbs: 8
[18:47:11] <crutchy> woods++
[18:47:11] <Bender> karma - woods: 5
[18:48:43] <chromas> 13++
[18:48:43] <Bender> karma - 13: 1
[18:49:43] * crutchy is intrigued by warp sleep. inability to turn means i can't roll out of bed
[18:50:10] <Blackmoore> well, when you wake up from warp sleep you drop into impulse.
[18:51:11] <crutchy> my impulse is generally towards coffee
[18:51:32] <crutchy> ^that's when turning is required
[18:52:12] <Woods> Crutchy: Just be careful bending space when at home.
[18:52:13] <crutchy> though my nav computer is generally functioning poorly in the morning
[18:53:01] <crutchy> i do not try to bend space. that's impossible.
[18:53:20] <crutchy> instead i only try to realize the truth
[18:53:29] <crutchy> whatever that means
[18:53:32] <crutchy> :-P
[18:53:33] <Woods> lol
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[18:58:36] <Blackmoore> crutchy: matrix and trek... hmm..
[18:59:00] <Blackmoore> I think I have me a setting for a story..
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[19:04:03] <chromas> Animatreks
[19:05:19] <crutchy> lmao
[19:05:39] <crutchy> made in NZ
[19:06:07] <Blackmoore> well it deserves it own title certainly, but you basicall have a group of people hopping in and out of Memory-Alpha - which - of course has a number of fully functioning "bots" running inside of it
[19:06:20] <Blackmoore> Moriarty, M!, Nomad
[19:06:41] <crutchy> and agent spock!
[19:07:15] <Blackmoore> and normally the system is all well and fine, but sometime you need to use specalists to thwart what could be the next "agent smith"
[19:07:18] <crutchy> "mr anderson... live long and prosper"
[19:07:56] * crutchy almost typed 'may the force be with you'
[19:09:22] <crutchy> Blackmoore: maybe ciri is agent smith in disguise
[19:11:11] <crutchy> exec is more of a c3po... does nothing and won't shut up
[19:11:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Quantum Network of Clocks - http://sylnt.us - things-that-are-really-big-and-really-small
[19:12:04] <Blackmoore> I'm waiting for Byte to show up. wont shut up and is unintelligable to boot
[19:22:24] <Blackmoore> http://squte.com
[19:22:26] <monopoly> ➥ 9Dice kills Freecode nee Freshmeat § s'qute (http://squte.com/usenet/dice-kills-freecode-nee-freshmeat)
[19:28:27] <chromas> Forehead to space bar maneuver
[19:30:36] <chromas> I don't remember freecode; must be different from freshmeat and sourceforge
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[20:01:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Can You Build A Safe, Sustainable Skyscraper Out Of Wood? - http://sylnt.us - chip-off-the-old-block
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[20:10:10] <TheMightyBuzzard|Book> chromas, freecode is what freshmeat turned into
[20:11:22] <chromas> Oh, so freshmeat wasn't as abandoned as all the projects on it
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[20:11:45] <TheMightyBuzzard|Book> essentially
[20:22:37] <Blackmoore> doesnt look so dead to me
[20:29:34] <arti> needs more xs on the eyes
[21:10:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Anti-Drug-Resistant Breakthrough - But Still a Long Way to go - http://sylnt.us - one-step-at-a-time
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[22:11:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pepper Spraying, Laser Blinding Drone Sold by South African Company - http://sylnt.us - now-who-said-it-would-never-happen?
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[22:31:47] <Bytram> hmm: http://rss.computerworld.com
[22:31:48] <monopoly> ➥ 9Congressman questions FTC breach probe amid claims of 'corporate blackmail' - Computerworld (http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9249236/Congressman_questions_FTC_breach_probe_amid_claims_of_corporate_blackmail_?source=rss_latest_content&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+computerworld%2Fnews%2Ffeed+%28Latest+from+Computerworld%29)
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[23:02:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Skype for Linux 4.3 Ditches ALSA for PulseAudio - http://sylnt.us - at-least-it-is-updated
[23:22:37] <randmcnatt> mrcoolbp: new icons at http://randmcnatt.com
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[23:55:39] <arti> morning
[23:56:17] <crutchy> morning
[23:56:37] * arti cuts up the ritual coffee grounds into neat lines and passes the mirror to crutchy
[23:56:40] <crutchy> slept through my fkin alarm :-/
[23:56:44] <arti> awesome
[23:56:55] <arti> well it doesn't happen too often, right?
[23:56:58] <arti> work should be cool
[23:57:04] * arti has had a few epic sleepins
[23:57:17] <arti> "...why is it so light in my room?"
[23:57:39] <crutchy> nah not often
[23:58:40] * crutchy snorts coffee
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[23:59:14] <arti> ^-- too edgy for him
[23:59:19] <crutchy> by woods!
[23:59:25] <crutchy> coffee++
[23:59:25] <Bender> karma - coffee: 266
[23:59:44] <crutchy> i should have put an (m) rating on my comment