#Soylent | Logs for 2014-06-18

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[00:06:22] * crutchy signs in (just for a coffee then i gtg to workipoos)
[00:06:25] <crutchy> coffee++
[00:06:26] <Bender> karma - coffee: 258
[00:07:14] <arti> you should put it in a giant glass that way you have longer
[00:07:54] <crutchy> arti++
[00:07:54] <Bender> karma - arti: 51
[00:08:09] <crutchy> ~bewbs
[00:08:10] <exec> ( o Y o )
[00:08:29] <arti> a worthy addition
[00:08:38] <crutchy> i guess it is female after all
[00:09:19] <arti> could be really fit
[00:09:44] <crutchy> or maybe it just ate too much 'chicken'
[00:10:43] * crutchy wonders whether chickens nowadays are really chickens or some kind of mutant hybrid rat pigeon
[00:11:05] <arti> all the more reason to eat plants
[00:12:08] <crutchy> unfortunately the world seems to be developing a taste for this mutant hybrid rat pigeon
[00:13:42] <crutchy> maybe its the juicy maggot stuffing that's just soo fingerlickin good
[00:13:54] <arti> just think of it as protein
[00:14:19] <Blackmoore> I think it tastes like "tasty wheat"
[00:14:32] <crutchy> isn't that what women err 'service' their partners for?
[00:14:41] <Blackmoore> and with that - I'm out for the night
[00:14:44] <crutchy> lol
[00:14:49] <crutchy> cya Blackmoore
[00:14:57] <crutchy> mmm tasty wheat
[00:15:05] Blackmoore is now known as blackmoore|afk
[00:15:15] <crutchy> tastes just like some strage blue pill
[00:15:30] <arti> i think one of the ED pills is blue
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[00:37:56] <Alberto> Sup boys
[00:37:56] <Alberto> :D
[00:40:09] <arti> greetings root user
[00:40:49] <Alberto> sup ati!
[00:40:53] * Alberto is r00tz0r
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[00:41:35] <ArtiGreetingsRootUser> arti do you know QT ?
[00:41:47] * ArtiGreetingsRootUser looking for a QT developer (C++)
[00:43:18] <arti> i've dabbled with it, i think the qtquick is pretty cool
[00:43:52] <arti> i've not done anything really serious in it, i've recently been looking into wxwidgets
[00:44:22] <ArtiGreetingsRootUser> wxwidgets?
[00:44:28] <ArtiGreetingsRootUser> is that TCL or something like that?
[00:44:39] <arti> found some lua bindings for it, and i like the idea of tying that into haskell
[00:44:39] <arti> http://www.wxwidgets.org
[00:44:41] <monopoly> Title: wxWidgets: Cross-Platform GUI Library
[00:45:20] <arti> this is strictly a GUI toolkit, whereas Qt has string handlers and other things
[00:52:26] <ArtiGreetingsRootUser> hum
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[01:11:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Congressman Asks NSA to Provide Metadata for 'Lost' IRS Emails - http://sylnt.us - watching-the-watchers
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[04:10:39] <SpallsHurgenson> wow, busy night :)
[04:13:07] <chromas> Lots of timing out and rejoining
[04:13:34] <SpallsHurgenson> but so skillfully done :)
[04:22:45] <SpallsHurgenson> wow, the IRS thing is awesomely ridiculous. All the people under investigation have had computer crashes that prevent their emails from being delivered to the prosecutors. What are the odds?
[04:24:55] <SpallsHurgenson> I can see it now...
[04:25:05] <SpallsHurgenson> Prosecutor: "Give us the emails for Lerner!"
[04:25:23] <SpallsHurgenson> IRS: "Uh, sorry, computer crashed, lost his data".
[04:25:45] <SpallsHurgenson> P: "Really? Well, umm...I guess. How about chief-of-staff Flax? I need his emails too"
[04:26:09] <SpallsHurgenson> I: "Computer crashed; what a coincidence. We lost his data too."
[04:26:23] <SpallsHurgenson> P:"Hmm, well I got four more suspects..."
[04:26:56] <SpallsHurgenson> I: "Yeah, uh, let me see that list. Okay, computer crashed, computer crashed, computer caught fire, exploded, THEN crashed and... oh, you're in luck with the last one!"
[04:27:19] <SpallsHurgenson> P: "Are you telling me it didn't crash?"
[04:28:09] <SpallsHurgenson> I: "No, isn't that great? Too bad the computer was accidentally was destroyed in a bizarre pet hippopotamus incident. But don't worry, hippos are now banned from all IRS offices."
[04:29:05] <Popeidol> you're assuming a large array of convenient mistakes
[04:29:20] <Popeidol> when a department like the IRS probably centralises them for efficiency
[04:30:06] <Popeidol> why arrange half a dozen separate computer crashes when one mail server could fail in a more cost-effective manner?
[04:30:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - CEO Pay Inversely Related to Company Performance - http://sylnt.us - Creating-Value
[04:37:29] <SpallsHurgenson> makes sense; company is failing, and no CEO wants to be associated with it. You need to offer more to get the talent to stick around, and even then most of 'em won't be able to save the sinking ship
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[04:51:40] * SpallsHurgenson wonders who is CEO for SoyNews LLC (or whatever they are calling themselves)
[04:58:39] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: it's poutine
[05:01:00] <SpallsHurgenson> head of HR: ethanol-fueled
[05:02:26] <chromas> Shit shit shit
[05:02:58] <chromas> Just pulled disk out of my desktop without remembering it has /
[05:03:53] <SpallsHurgenson> congratulations, you are now qualified to work for the IRS IT department!
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[05:04:37] * chromas likes the idea of trading incompetence for moneys
[05:06:28] <chromas> I suppose I can't just plug it in and continue
[05:06:41] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm interested to see if you can, actually
[05:07:11] <SpallsHurgenson> maybe it didn't notice :)
[05:07:39] <chromas> I was suspending to ram before swapping risks around since it's cheap hardware so I assume hotplugging is bad
[05:07:52] <chromas> So it's stuck on resume now
[05:10:13] <SpallsHurgenson> software often responds to percussive maintenance :)
[05:12:24] <SpallsHurgenson> keep pounding until all the bits fall back into their rightful places :)
[05:13:07] * chromas bangs computer
[05:13:10] <chromas> oh um
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[05:23:03] <SpallsHurgenson> anyway, I wouldn't worry too much about it. I don't think the root directory is that important anyway
[05:25:23] <SpallsHurgenson> if it was, they wouldn't put it at the bottom where anyone could find it; they'd hide it away, like a porn-stash :)
[05:25:45] <chromas> I heard sudo rm -rf / is popular for speed up too
[05:27:17] <SpallsHurgenson> I've heard that too but never tested it. You should try :)
[05:29:11] <chromas> Ooh, look at all that free space!
[05:31:40] <chromas> Actually I have been running low on / space. I wonder if there are package caches of whatever to clean up
[05:31:56] <SpallsHurgenson> no, there isn't. buy a bigger hard drive
[05:32:32] <Landon> you know, I started running low in ~
[05:32:42] <Landon> 38G/48G used
[05:32:47] <Landon> and you know what the damned culprit was
[05:32:53] <Landon> bitcoin. using 14G for that blockchain.
[05:34:27] <SpallsHurgenson> bah, bitcoin. proper money is stuffed in the mattress, not on a hard-drive!
[05:34:57] <SpallsHurgenson> erm, I mean... in a safe in the bank
[05:35:17] <SpallsHurgenson> excuse me, need to move something in the bedroom completely not related to this conversation
[05:46:12] <mrcoolbp> Hmm, I think there's something to this suggestion: Extend validity of mod points (new mod points only awarded once old mod points were used up, but once a user gets mod points he can use them for 3-4 days for topics he cares about instead of just using them up
[05:48:04] <mrcoolbp> SpallsHurgenson, I don't think there's a CEO, just a board
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[05:48:35] <SpallsHurgenson> mrcoolbp: I hope it is a 2x4
[05:48:59] <mrcoolbp> SpallsHurgenson: yeah, but it's made of Balsa
[05:49:14] <mrcoolbp> or ironwood, I forget
[05:49:20] <mrcoolbp> one of the two for sure
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[06:08:05] <mrcoolbp> hey bryan
[06:31:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The War Nerd Breaks Down What is Going on in Iraq Right Now - http://sylnt.us - 5-star-armchair-general
[06:33:49] <SpallsHurgenson> "war nerd"?
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[06:44:18] <Subsentient> Did he install Warzone 2100 and mod it so there's glasses and acne on all the tanks?
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[08:41:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - IKEA Hackers Forced to Give Up Domain Name - after 8 Years. - http://sylnt.us - lets-try-to-not-duplicate-this
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[08:54:55] <crutchy> coffee++
[08:54:55] <Bender> karma - coffee: 259
[09:01:37] <ar> coffee--
[09:01:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 258
[09:17:53] <chromas> toffee++
[09:17:53] <Bender> karma - toffee: 1
[09:18:14] * Jaruzel yawns
[09:40:11] <NCommander> I can't believe I'm going to say this
[09:40:13] <NCommander> But I think I burned out on writing
[09:46:14] <Jaruzel> whatcha been writing ?
[09:48:06] * chromas feels a terrible pun coming on... :D
[09:48:35] <crutchy> something involving Game of Thrones?
[09:48:48] <Jaruzel> if yer gonna chat GoT - I have to go away
[09:48:56] <Jaruzel> I'm still 2 eps from the end :(
[09:49:01] <crutchy> lol
[09:49:07] <crutchy> i don't watch got
[09:49:28] <Jaruzel> hot your thing?
[09:49:32] <Jaruzel> not
[09:50:07] <crutchy> not really, no
[09:50:43] <crutchy> i did watch a bit of an episide with the missus. plenty of bewb, but thats about it
[09:51:02] <Jaruzel> fair enough. I hate Eastenders, but millions like it.
[09:51:37] <crutchy> got is no worse than a lot of other garbage on tv
[09:51:47] <crutchy> though its prolly better than the reality bs
[09:51:58] <Jaruzel> it's escapism. that's what people want.
[09:52:21] <crutchy> yeah
[09:52:37] <Jaruzel> too much reality stuff on tv these days - it's so cheap to make, so the schedules are flooded with it :(
[09:53:25] <crutchy> i'm not even into the news much anymore. its all profit-driven too
[09:53:31] <crutchy> nothing is sacred
[09:54:11] <Jaruzel> was discussing this with my other half last night actually - 10 mins in, BBC news at 10 had run out of real news.
[09:54:37] <Jaruzel> i would have preferred it if they said 'and that's the news for today, here's a cartoon'
[09:54:43] <crutchy> (and i'm a supporter of capitalism)
[09:55:40] <crutchy> even those current affairs shows are slanted. i wish they would make it a little less obvious
[09:56:56] <crutchy> and they try their beest to make out like they're doing victims a favor while they rake in advertising revenue
[09:57:02] <Jaruzel> so where do you get your unbiased news from ?
[09:57:43] <crutchy> i assume all news is biased, but i guess if you look at a variety of sources its easier to read between the lines. the internet is good for that
[09:58:09] <crutchy> lots of perspectives
[09:59:03] <crutchy> also depends a lot on the issue
[09:59:10] <Jaruzel> yeah, I tend to do that - especially on the big stories - it's interesting to see what agencies leave out what information
[09:59:12] <crutchy> i like reading local newspaper
[09:59:43] <Jaruzel> can't do that, mines full of adverts for dance classes for old people.
[09:59:48] <crutchy> lol
[10:00:24] <crutchy> soylent-like sites are good cos if the story is bs quite often there will be comments highlighting it, but gotta also be careful of moderation bias
[10:01:02] <Jaruzel> there's still a bit of mod bias on SN I notice.
[10:01:15] <crutchy> no doubt
[10:01:28] <crutchy> i mostly comment AC nowadays cos of it
[10:01:53] <Jaruzel> over on /. i refused to mod ACs, on SN I now do, as a lot of the AC comments are better than the users
[10:02:36] <Jaruzel> i wish actually, there was a halfway house, where you can post as not-quite-AC, but not-as-an-identifiable-user.
[10:03:45] <crutchy> prolly hard one to get right, but i guess everyone here is at least open to ideas and improvements
[10:03:52] <crutchy> i like the community spirit here
[10:03:58] <Jaruzel> yeah, no idea how to do it.
[10:04:00] <Jaruzel> ditto.
[10:04:19] <Jaruzel> although I see myself as a bit of an outsider as I'm not a Linux-head.
[10:04:49] <crutchy> i'm using linux but its in a vm running on windows, so i'm playing both sides :-P
[10:05:36] <Jaruzel> I'm 20+ year professional Windows guy, kinda hard to switch sides this late in the game.
[10:05:58] <Jaruzel> although these days I'm more about the architecture and design of systems.
[10:06:11] <crutchy> how do you find keeping up with the recent changes?
[10:06:35] <crutchy> (windows networking causes me grief since they changed from xp)
[10:06:57] <Jaruzel> hard now. There wasn't a _single_ thing I didn't know about XP/2003. Now, with 2012/win8 - there's SO much that's different :(
[10:07:23] <Jaruzel> between XP and Win7/8 there are over 8000 new registry settings!
[10:07:33] <crutchy> wow. yeah that makes it hard
[10:08:00] <crutchy> there's lots of changes in linux too, but most that i notice seem to be in the window managers
[10:08:27] <crutchy> though there are some low level changes like grub and init that seem to get tweaked too
[10:08:43] <crutchy> hard to keep up
[10:09:00] <Jaruzel> I can use Linux - I have NO fear of shells or vi type editors - I just have no need to day-to-day.
[10:09:12] <Jaruzel> I've started playing with FreeBSD recently tho.
[10:09:15] <Jaruzel> I like it.
[10:09:22] <crutchy> most of the programs i have to use at work are windows-only
[10:09:52] <crutchy> never tried bsd. for some reason i got into debian and it kinda stuck
[10:11:30] <crutchy> have heard/read good things about it though
[10:11:51] <Jaruzel> what got me, was that it doesn't include X or any WM by default.
[10:12:05] <Jaruzel> i liked that
[10:12:20] <crutchy> die hard :-P
[10:12:40] <Jaruzel> no, just old enough to remember DOS 3.2
[10:13:04] <crutchy> i can use cli but if that's all i have it kinda feels claustrophobic (that's the only word i can think of to describe it)
[10:13:14] <crutchy> lol i remember 6.22
[10:14:08] <Jaruzel> makes sense. As a coder (.NET), I'm comfortable in the command line - even on Windows I always have a shell open.
[10:16:26] <crutchy> must admit i'm not a .net fan. i deliberately stuck with delphi 7 to avoid it (i bought delphi 8 and never used it much)
[10:16:46] <crutchy> now i'm a lowly php lemming
[10:17:03] <crutchy> and amateur at that
[10:22:20] <Jaruzel> I really dislike PHP.
[10:23:24] <Jaruzel> if i find myself writing web or code on non-windows, it would probably be in Perl.
[10:23:32] <Jaruzel> old skool.
[10:26:31] <chromas> slashd needs your help, sir
[10:26:35] <crutchy> you'd love slashcode :-)
[10:26:40] <crutchy> lol
[10:26:44] <Jaruzel> lol
[10:26:49] <Jaruzel> time thing. :(
[10:27:03] <crutchy> soylent is very perl-friendly
[10:27:06] <Jaruzel> otherwise I'd love to
[10:27:53] <crutchy> there's also plenty of room for bagging php :-P
[10:28:16] <crutchy> its another common theme
[10:28:58] * crutchy occasionally tries to deflect some onto RoR
[10:29:46] <crutchy> or python
[10:29:50] <chromas> Rubles on Rainbows
[10:32:06] <crutchy> ~bewbs
[10:32:07] <exec> ( o Y o )
[10:32:28] <crutchy> ^part of a bicycle
[10:38:17] * Jaruzel wanders off to do some real work.
[10:42:47] <chromas> ~bewbs++
[10:42:57] <chromas> 💩++
[10:43:22] <chromas> Aw--
[10:43:22] <Bender> karma - aw: -1
[10:44:42] <crutchy> {}++
[10:44:47] <crutchy> ()++
[11:12:29] <Konomi> crutchy: two mice same model together 0 issues
[11:16:35] <crutchy> aww thats no fun
[11:31:47] <crutchy> xlefay++
[11:31:47] <Bender> karma - xlefay: 51
[11:31:52] <crutchy> xlefay++
[11:31:52] <Bender> karma - xlefay: 52
[11:32:23] <crutchy> !whoup xlefay
[11:32:23] <Bender> uppers of xlefay are: martyb: 9, mrcoolbp: 9, hax0rz: 8, crutchy: 5, kobach: 4, Koreanbabykilla: 4, mtrycz: 3, mattie_p: 3, arti: 3, bryn: 2, stderr: 2, d33tah: 2, nobbis: 1, pbnjoe: 1, NCommander: 1, IT_phreak: 1, Bytram: 1, gallondr00nk: 1, FatPhil: 1, DarkMorph: 1, paulej72: 1, swiss: 1, opie: 1, Gaaark: 1
[11:33:49] <crutchy> !whodown xlefay
[11:33:49] <Bender> downers of xlefay are: Guardian452: -8, mattie_p: -2, kobach: -2, stderr: -1, FoobarBazbot: -1
[11:39:51] <stdhell> uppers--
[11:39:51] <Bender> karma - uppers: -1
[11:39:52] <stdhell> downers--
[11:39:52] <Bender> karma - downers: -1
[11:41:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Study Asserts Startling Numbers of Insider Trading Rogues - http://sylnt.us - Crooks-and-Liars
[11:46:05] <chromas> HighlightingEverybody++
[11:46:05] <Bender> karma - highlightingeverybody: 1
[11:49:25] <crutchy> !stats
[11:49:25] <Bender> creating stats for channel #Soylent (Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970)
[11:49:41] <Bender> stat results for #Soylent: crutchy: 21970, xlefay: 11596, arti: 9839, MrBluze: 9593, unknown: 9432, kobach: 7019, NCommander: 6844, michealpwalls: 5386, prospectacle: 4787, TheMightyBuzzard: 4274, chromas: 4249, Subsentient: 3299, n1: 2883, hax0rz: 2675, Konomi: 2665, Blackmoore: 2655, SpallsHurgenson: 2632, Landon: 2609, paulej72: 2487, mattie_p: 2409, mrcoolbp: 2409, Ethanol-fueled: 2306, Khyber: 2209, janrinok: 2205, stderr: 2200, Bender: 2081, By
[11:50:04] <crutchy> bender loves everyone!
[11:50:28] <chromas> !sacs
[11:53:14] <crutchy> the_hustle++
[11:53:14] <Bender> karma - the_hustle: 1
[11:54:25] <stdhell> crutchy
[11:55:32] <crutchy> g'day stdhell
[12:26:27] <Subsentient> what's the difference between stdhell and stderr?
[12:26:54] <Subsentient> I mean, stdout, stderr ,stdhell? Do they just get increasingly more horrible?
[12:27:07] <stdhell> stdhell is in hell^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hat work.
[12:27:14] <crutchy> hi Subsentient
[12:27:39] <Subsentient> Hat work. So he's a mad hatter?
[12:28:09] <Subsentient> My hobby: Deliberately mistaking typos for the intended version
[12:28:22] <stdhell> No typo...
[12:28:34] <stdhell> ^H to delete a character. And then "at work"
[12:28:44] <Subsentient> yep I know
[12:28:55] <crutchy> ^H is delete eh?
[12:29:07] <crutchy> ^M is 13?
[12:29:24] <crutchy> so that would make ^H chr(7)?
[12:29:30] <stdhell> Yes, M is the 13th letter in the alphabet.
[12:29:35] <stdhell> H is the 8th.
[12:29:38] <crutchy> lol
[12:29:47] <stdhell> ^G is 7... Aka bell.
[12:31:01] <stdhell> 007 7 07 BEL '\a' (bell) 107 71 47 G
[12:31:01] <stdhell> 010 8 08 BS '\b' (backspace) 110 72 48 H
[12:31:01] <stdhell> 011 9 09 HT '\t' (horizontal tab) 111 73 49 I
[12:31:01] <stdhell> 012 10 0A LF '\n' (new line) 112 74 4A J
[12:31:01] <stdhell> 013 11 0B VT '\v' (vertical tab) 113 75 4B K
[12:31:02] <stdhell> 014 12 0C FF '\f' (form feed) 114 76 4C L
[12:31:04] <stdhell> 015 13 0D CR '\r' (carriage ret) 115 77 4D M
[12:31:07] <crutchy> in delphi can use ^M for #13#10
[12:31:22] <stdhell> Yes, Windows is stupid...
[12:32:20] <crutchy> i thought #10 was LF
[12:32:27] <crutchy> (but that might be windows too)
[12:32:56] <stdhell> 10 is LF (\n).
[12:33:07] <crutchy> ah 2nd column
[12:33:19] <crutchy> 1st must be hex
[12:33:28] <Jaruzel> windows prefers crlf (13,10) but you can split them.
[12:33:29] <stdhell> Windows needs two characters at the end of lines. New Line and Carriage Return.
[12:33:51] <stdhell> crutchy: Oct. 3rd is hex.
[12:34:05] <crutchy> lol.
[12:34:10] * crutchy puts dunce hat on
[12:34:23] <Jaruzel> techincally, windows is correct. cr = return to left column, and lf = go down one line. It's all the other OS's that have it wrong ;)
[12:34:44] <crutchy> Jaruzel++
[12:34:44] <Bender> karma - jaruzel: 1
[12:34:46] <Jaruzel> using the original VT terminal design as the model.
[12:35:01] <stdhell> Jaruzel: Windows is NEVER correct.
[12:35:05] <stdhell> Jaruzel--
[12:35:05] <Bender> karma - jaruzel: 0
[12:35:07] <stdhell> Windows--
[12:35:07] <Bender> karma - windows: -5
[12:35:10] <crutchy> by default :-P
[12:35:14] <crutchy> Jaruzel++
[12:35:14] <Bender> karma - jaruzel: 1
[12:35:30] <chromas> Jaruzel: s/VT terminal/typewriter/
[12:35:30] <SedBot> <chromas> <Jaruzel> using the original typewriter design as the model.
[12:35:36] <crutchy> windows can be wrong and Jaruzel correct :-)
[12:35:37] <Jaruzel> Windows is always correct, just look at the Start Screen.
[12:35:42] <crutchy> lmao
[12:36:13] <stdhell> \x15
[12:36:44] <crutchy> ^K
[12:36:53] <crutchy> fuck what does a VT even look like?
[12:37:03] <chromas> Terrible
[12:37:19] <crutchy> HQ looks awesome though
[12:37:39] <stdhell> crutchy: isprint(0x0B) is false.
[12:38:07] <crutchy> throwback from the teletype days or something?
[12:38:13] <crutchy> rs232
[12:39:18] <TheMightyBuzzard|Out> coffee++
[12:39:19] <Bender> karma - coffee: 259
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[12:40:50] <crutchy> coffee++
[12:40:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 260
[12:40:55] <Jaruzel> talking of VTs - I found this font recently: https://www.google.com
[12:40:55] <monopoly> Title: Google Fonts VT323
[12:41:05] <crutchy> ~time phoenix
[12:41:06] <Jaruzel> kinda awesome for that retro feel
[12:41:07] <exec> [Google] 3:41am Wednesday (MST) - Time in Phoenix, AZ, USA
[12:41:24] <crutchy> shit is that where you are TheMightyBuzzard?
[12:42:05] * crutchy has crappy short term memory
[12:42:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp
[12:42:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> too many hippies in AZ
[12:42:30] <crutchy> lol
[12:42:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> i try to never go west of I35
[12:42:58] <crutchy> ~time dc
[12:42:59] <exec> [Google] 6:42am Wednesday (EDT) - Time in Washington, DC, USA
[12:43:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~time chicago
[12:43:13] <exec> [Google] 5:43am Wednesday (CDT) - Time in Chicago, IL, USA
[12:43:17] <crutchy> ah
[12:43:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> not me either but that time zone
[12:43:35] <crutchy> the real wild west
[12:43:36] <stdhell> TheMightyBuzzard: Just think of it as 359 degree east of I35...
[12:45:30] * Jaruzel doesn't get todays XKCD. :(
[12:46:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> chicago ain't that bad. last time i was there i got given some gang colors sneakers n drug out to one of their parties
[12:46:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> best tacos i ever had the next morning for breakfast too
[12:55:48] <chromas> Jaruzel: She wants to make sure he's a cunning linguist
[12:55:58] <Jaruzel> Aha!
[12:56:16] <Jaruzel> ba-boom, tsh!
[13:02:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> Health Fact: Half a pot of coffee in the morning can greatly reduce your odds of being stabbed in the face.
[13:05:40] <crutchy> a whole pot of coffee can greatly increase your odds of stabbing someone in the face
[13:05:49] <chromas> I think it needs some scientific testing
[13:05:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> also true
[13:07:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> in arabica vita
[13:09:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> it is by caffeine alone that i set my mind in motion. it is by the bean of the coffee bush that the thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. it is by caffeine alone that i set my mind in motion.
[13:10:25] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard: s/caffeine/farts/g
[13:10:25] <SedBot> <crutchy> <TheMightyBuzzard> it is by farts alone that i set my mind in motion. it is by the bean of the coffee bush that the thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. it is by farts alone that i set my mind in motion.
[13:11:15] <crutchy> yeah i haven't been sleeping well lately :-P
[13:11:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> sleep's for the weak. four hours is plenty to reset the brain.
[13:12:11] <stdhell> Four?!
[13:13:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> standard sleep cycle is 3.5-4 hours. that's why you feel worse waking up after 10 than you do with 8.
[13:13:36] <Jaruzel> Maggie Thatcher swore by four hours sleep a night.
[13:14:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> so if you can't get eight, stay up a little longer and only get four. you'll feel better than if you'd started a second sleep cycle.
[13:15:50] <Jaruzel> bur surely still more tired later the next day, as you've not had your 2x4 cycles?
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[13:16:05] <crutchy> yeah i feel pretty fucked after 4 hours
[13:16:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> more tired than if you'd had eight but less tired than if you'd had six.
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[13:17:03] <crutchy> g'day bryan
[13:17:30] <bryan> hola
[13:20:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> nother cup of life before i get started i think.
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[13:26:25] <crutchy> hi Bytram|away
[13:26:29] <crutchy> :-)
[13:27:02] <crutchy> yay!
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[13:27:26] <crutchy> so far so good: http://irciv.us.to
[13:27:41] <Bytram> crutchy: quick on the draw, again, as always!
[13:28:17] <crutchy> i was watching a script running on my exec screen when i saw you pop up
[13:28:22] <Bytram> my IRC program doesn't even get a chance to finish loading up the channels and I'm already hearing a "beep"! =)
[13:28:40] <Bytram> neat. how's the script going?
[13:28:47] <crutchy> ~stats-lines
[13:28:51] <crutchy> this one will test it
[13:29:05] <crutchy> might need a few minutes timeout :-/
[13:29:23] <crutchy> lol or not
[13:29:48] <Bytram> good luck!
[13:30:21] <crutchy> still yet to finish the feeds script
[13:30:28] <crutchy> i'm a gunna do :-P
[13:30:36] <Bytram> I've been reading up on UTF-8 and more specifically, on Unicode, which UTF-8 is used to transmit (as I understand it at the moment)
[13:30:50] <crutchy> getting right into it
[13:31:03] <Bytram> feeds script? Yep, sounds like a plan... you don't want it to go hungry!
[13:31:07] <Bytram> ;)
[13:33:37] <crutchy> irciv is starting to moldy... see i knew stuffing around with server stuff was a bad idea :-P
[13:34:27] * Bytram kindly offers crutchy some bleach
[13:37:09] * crutchy offers Bytram a packet of tim tams in return
[13:37:29] <crutchy> unfortunately i ated them all, but its the thought that counts :-)
[13:37:42] * Bytram opens packet but is not sure of what he sees and looks up questioningly at crutchy
[13:41:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Debian 6 Debuts Its Long Term Support Period - http://sylnt.us - If-ya-know-what-I-mean
[13:41:31] <crutchy> ~stats-lines
[13:43:16] <crutchy> stupid case-sensitive urls
[13:43:48] <crutchy> ~stats-lines
[13:44:00] <crutchy> there we go
[13:44:38] <crutchy> definitely going to need a longer timeout
[13:44:50] <Bytram> afk brb
[13:45:54] <exec> error: command timed out
[13:48:00] <crutchy> ~stats-lines
[13:50:01] <exec> error: command timed out
[13:50:42] <Konomi> does anyone happen to recall the channel for testing bots?
[13:50:53] <Bytram> Konomi: #test
[13:50:53] <crutchy> #test
[13:50:56] <Konomi> ty
[13:51:13] <crutchy> or a bunch of others
[13:54:45] <crutchy> ~stats-lines
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[13:59:37] <crutchy> ~stats-lines
[13:59:55] <crutchy> :-D
[14:08:39] <Konomi> possibly nsfw (fake blood) x.x https://www.youtube.com
[14:08:40] <monopoly> Title: UndeadTeds Special &#39;Peek-a Boo&#39; Edition - YouTube
[14:08:43] <Konomi> terrifying
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[14:23:28] <crutchy> g'day AshleyWaffle
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[14:31:47] <stdhell> LOL! exec is an ex-exec... Or an ex-ec?
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[14:35:13] <crutchy> it used to be ec
[14:35:25] <chromas> Cyrix exec86
[14:35:42] <crutchy> that was a bit too easy chromas
[14:35:49] <crutchy> something wwill no doubt bork
[14:35:59] <crutchy> besides my typing
[14:36:35] <chromas> Yeah it just turns out you're using openssl
[14:36:53] <crutchy> how can you tell?
[14:36:53] <chromas> Pre-patch
[14:37:34] <chromas> That's the something that borked :D
[14:37:49] <crutchy> is the ssl version in the whois or something?
[14:38:19] <crutchy> or do you have super god powas
[14:39:10] * stdhell has been playing the waiting game for 13 days...
[14:39:16] <stdhell> Stupid whois update...
[14:40:00] <chromas> The second one
[14:40:14] <chromas> But actually I was just making had humor
[14:42:06] <crutchy> do you know what version the patch was?
[14:42:14] * crutchy is curious now
[14:42:25] <crutchy> curiosity is bad, m'kday
[14:42:37] <crutchy> so is my typing
[14:43:01] <chromas> No but I think they all still have if(0)
[14:43:04] <crutchy> OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013
[14:43:15] <crutchy> that would be pre-patch i guess
[14:44:08] <crutchy> lol
[14:44:10] <crutchy> OpenSSL 0.9.8o 01 Jun 2010
[14:44:18] <crutchy> ^ openssl on server with exec
[14:44:36] <crutchy> one problem with debian stable
[14:45:09] <chromas> When the dog dies, we should have her stuffed and wireframed to make her posable
[14:48:17] <crutchy> from https://www.debian.org
[14:48:18] <monopoly> Title: Debian -- Security Information -- DSA-2896-1 openssl
[14:48:26] <crutchy> The oldstable distribution (squeeze) is not affected by this vulnerability.
[14:48:39] <crutchy> :-?
[14:49:28] <crutchy> i guess that means the server with exec isn't bleeding hearts
[14:50:30] <chromas> No hippies; it's a good thing
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[14:55:11] <crutchy> i think its patched in my xchat vm too. must've come through with apt-get upgrade somewhere along the lines
[15:00:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Registrar Says Domain Suspensions Damage Credibility - http://sylnt.us - Credible-Hulk
[15:00:56] <crutchy> Bender: s/ity/ity Of Domain Registrars/
[15:00:57] <SedBot> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Registrar Says Domain Suspensions Damage Credibility Of Domain Registrars - http://sylnt.us - Credible-Hulk
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[15:06:51] <crutchy> g'day Woods
[15:06:59] <Woods> Crutchy.
[15:11:35] <crutchy> ~stats-lines crutchy
[15:11:47] <exec> privmsg count for crutchy in #soylent: 18700
[15:12:00] <crutchy> shit
[15:12:28] <crutchy> if i add actions arti's stats thing prolly isn't far off
[15:22:46] <crutchy> ~stats-first crutchy
[15:22:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> kay, got the beastie working with utf8 = 1 in the vars table, now to test it without...
[15:22:55] <exec> first privmsg for crutchy in #soylent: [2014-03-05 21:37:21] you there xlefay?
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[15:25:21] <crutchy> g'day Blackmoore
[15:25:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp, not quite good
[15:27:37] <crutchy> prolly got dog dirt in there somewhere
[15:28:16] <Blackmoore> mornin
[15:28:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin Blackmoore
[15:32:31] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: G'mournin!
[15:33:21] <crutchy> good mourning to you Bytram and wb :-)
[15:33:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin Bytram
[15:33:50] <Bytram> hope the break done your bean some good!
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[15:34:12] <crutchy> he's been cleaning dog dirt out of slash
[15:34:27] <crutchy> hi janrinok
[15:34:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> bit, got everything i can see working with utf==1 but not utf8==0 so far
[15:34:30] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: The more I think about what you've undertaken, the more impressed I am; thanks for all your hard work!
[15:34:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[15:35:00] <Blackmoore> hell i"m impressed and i havent even LOOKED at the code
[15:35:16] <Bytram> And, the more I look into the gotchas it can provide, the more I cringe.
[15:35:24] <Bytram> :/
[15:36:02] <crutchy> i'm impressed with how much coffee restraint i've managed today
[15:36:16] <crutchy> (only 3 cups!)
[15:36:27] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[15:36:28] <Bender> karma - coffee: 261
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[15:36:45] <crutchy> err 3 and a half tops
[15:36:48] <crutchy> hi weeds
[15:36:55] <crutchy> coffee++
[15:36:55] <Bender> karma - coffee: 262
[15:37:05] <crutchy> !karma bacon
[15:37:05] <Bender> karma of bacon is 235
[15:37:06] <weeds> good morning
[15:37:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm....
[15:37:55] <Bytram> crutchy: I gave up on cups of coffee a long time ago... my mug holds at least a pint!
[15:38:15] <weeds> !karma luftballons
[15:38:15] <Bender> karma of luftballons is 99
[15:38:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> ditto
[15:38:32] * crutchy does have a certain affinity for cups :-P
[15:38:42] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Sample sentences in several languages that use every letter therein: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk
[15:39:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't need right now. need maybe "გაიარო" that much
[15:39:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> just enough to figure out if it's going to decode/encode properly
[15:40:02] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: hmm, I just got boxed numbers; need to use a different font; brb
[15:40:31] <crutchy> lol the russian one is funny
[15:40:36] <crutchy> *first russian
[15:40:50] <crutchy> "Would a citrus live in the bushes of south? Yes, but only a fake one!"
[15:41:34] <Bytram> and the english one lacks two shorter sentences that cover the whole alphabet
[15:41:48] <Bytram> "pack my box with five dozen liquor jugs"
[15:41:54] <crutchy> lol
[15:42:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> no idea what you lot are talking about
[15:42:18] <crutchy> packing boxes
[15:42:21] <Blackmoore> mornin
[15:42:31] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: those were examples given in the file: http://en.wikipedia.org
[15:42:32] <monopoly> Title: List of pangrams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[15:42:43] <Bytram> ooops: in the file: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk
[15:43:04] <Bytram> which, in turn, pointed at the wiki page
[15:43:34] <Blackmoore> i like the Klingon
[15:43:48] <Blackmoore> qajunpaQHeylIjmo' batlh DuSuvqang charghwI' 'It. Because of your apparent audacity the depressed conqueror is willing to fight you.
[15:43:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, didn't look. that comes after getting utf8==0 working
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[15:44:11] <Bytram> except, to my knowledge, the Unicode task force rejected adding klingon glyphs to unicode.
[15:44:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> spose i could use my own code...
[15:44:58] <crutchy> bunch of backlak(spit)braaks!!!
[15:45:15] <crutchy> ^ best klingon crutchy can muster
[15:45:38] <stdhell> TheMightyBuzzard: You might want to check which codepoints people are already using.
[15:46:00] <Blackmoore> crutchy++
[15:46:00] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 67
[15:46:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> stdhell, codepoints don't matter to code. only to your font
[15:46:09] <stdhell> People are using some of the private ranges for klingon.
[15:46:14] <bryan> Qapla'!
[15:46:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> all i do is check that it's a valid codepoint at or below 1114111
[15:46:53] <Bytram> bryan: Hi! Thanks for your reply to my UTF-8 request!
[15:47:53] <Bytram> the more I look, the more I cringe, but if we don't beat on it now, someone will, later, and we'll be scrambling to fix it.
[15:48:17] <Blackmoore> the best I can muster is pronounced Muk Mek.. (the klingon phone greeting. translates as "what the f do you want?"
[15:48:59] <Blackmoore> .... Shaw, those twelve beige hooks are joined if I patch a young, gooey mouth.... who.the ,.what the.. who writes this crap?
[15:49:36] <Blackmoore> English phonetic pangrams http://en.wikipedia.org
[15:49:37] <monopoly> Title: List of pangrams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[15:50:57] <crutchy> dunno about this Shaw character, but i'm not letting my kids anywhere near him (or her)
[15:50:58] <bryan> Bytram: np, luckily the blocks aren't that badly separated and just a few dozen ranges are enough to support most real world languages
[15:51:59] <Bytram> bryan: care to share what filters, ranges, etc. that you use?
[15:53:18] <bryan> https://github.com lines 31-163
[15:53:29] <Bytram> I'm partial to this English pangram: "Big fjords vex quick waltz nymph."
[15:53:51] * Bytram tips hat to bryan
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[15:54:25] <bryan> probably a cleaner way to do that than a series of if statements, but it was quick and easy to read
[15:54:50] <Bytram> readability++
[15:54:50] <Bender> karma - readability: 1
[15:55:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not filtering unassigned glyphs. no point. people can see boxes if they really, really want to.
[15:55:22] <stdhell> TheMightyBuzzard: They could be assigned later...
[15:55:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> stdhell, exactly. this way i'm forward compatible
[15:55:42] <stdhell> If you don't upgrade the code at that point, stuff might break.
[15:57:04] <paulej72> bryan: https://github.com You can highlight the lines you want and github will make the link for you.
[15:57:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> now if i could just find where exactly we're calling goddamned encode_high_bits from
[15:57:56] <bryan> hmmm, didnt know that, fancy
[15:58:01] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: grep is your friend
[15:58:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ah, there we go. stripByMode
[15:58:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, ya, having to follow the breadcrumbs
[16:01:08] <crutchy> hi randmcnatt
[16:01:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh, soooo many strip subs instead of just calling stripByMode directly
[16:01:55] <crutchy> bryan... code looks good :-)
[16:02:01] <Jaruzel> misread that as Strip Clubs...
[16:02:09] <crutchy> very neat
[16:02:12] * Jaruzel suddenly got interested
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[16:02:26] <Blackmoore> hmm.. Jaruzel you might have somethng there. :P
[16:03:19] <crutchy> function stripClub($bewb_count)
[16:04:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> may have had too much coffee. getting cranky.
[16:04:59] <crutchy> oh no that stabbing proverb isn't coming into play?
[16:06:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, just in a kick something mood now
[16:06:50] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: please stay away from any buckets! we need you!
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[16:07:25] <Subsentient> I made this goofy little bouncing clock while I tried to learn ncurses today, enjoy: http://universe2.us
[16:07:26] <monopoly> Filetype: C source, ASCII text (100 lines, 1 KiB)
[16:08:04] <crutchy> omg... it's full of... c!
[16:08:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... if i put a if !$constants->{utf8} $str = decode_utf8($str) in stripByMode it could very well fix it...
[16:08:38] * crutchy could not find a bouncing clock :-(
[16:08:52] <Subsentient> build with -std=gnu89 -lcurses
[16:12:44] <Bytram> bryan: I've not coded PHP, so take with salt, but it looks to me that line 350 excludes https as a scheme?
[16:15:14] <bryan> it's a funky regexp and regexps are hard!
[16:15:32] <Bytram> bryan: yep, but lotsa fun! =)
[16:15:34] <bryan> but it does include https, as it's matching the beginning part of the string
[16:15:37] <crutchy> if you click on a https link your computer might explode
[16:16:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, no work
[16:16:27] <Bytram> $text = preg_replace("/(?<!a href=\")(?<!src=\")((http|ftp)+(s)?:\/\/[^<>\s]+)/i", "<a href=\"\\0\">\\0</a>", $text);
[16:16:36] <bryan> in fact, i think i stole that line from wordpress version of the same function
[16:16:45] <Bytram> ah... didn't see the "(s)?"
[16:20:53] <bryan> https://core.trac.wordpress.org
[16:20:58] <Bytram> bryan: ok, hmmm, in the pattern "((http|ftp)+(s)?:" I'd think you'd want to remove the "+" (which permits: one or MORE)
[16:21:04] <monopoly> Title: formatting.php in tags/3.9.1/src/wp-includes – WordPress Trac
[16:21:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - California Declares Whooping Cough Epidemic - http://sylnt.us - replace-cough-with-zombie
[16:21:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> whooping zombies? I don't think they'd be very dangerous, you'd hear them coming from a long way off.
[16:22:01] <crutchy> Bender: s/ng Cough/ Goldberg/
[16:22:01] <SedBot> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - California Declares Whoopi Goldberg Epidemic - http://sylnt.us - replace-cough-with-zombie
[16:23:07] <stdhell> bryan: In mb_ord(), what happens if the codepoint is >0xFFFF?
[16:23:43] <crutchy> do your pants fall down?
[16:24:15] <Bytram> stdhell: yes, I was wondering about that, too, but was unsure about what the statement at line 25 did: $k = mb_convert_encoding($u, 'UCS-2LE', 'UTF-8');
[16:25:02] <stdhell> Bytram: Me too. I figured it was converting $u from UTF-8 to UCS-2LE.
[16:25:09] <stdhell> Otherwise the rest doesn't make sense.
[16:25:19] <Bytram> stdhell: I thought it was the other way!
[16:25:41] <Bytram> whichever one it is, it looks like everything gets mapped [down] to 1..65535
[16:25:52] <crutchy> ~php mb_convert_encoding
[16:25:53] <exec> string mb_convert_encoding( string $str , string $to_encoding [, mixed $from_encoding = mb_internal_encoding()] )
[16:27:10] <Bytram> you may get some *erroneous* mappings, but nothing that gets emitted will cause trouble with display as "bad" code points are stripped.
[16:27:50] <stdhell> Bytram: The UTF-8 encoding has bits set high that are not part of the codepoint value. Multiplying those into the result would be weird. That's how I guessed it was "to","from".
[16:27:56] <Bytram> still, I can envision where a code point > 65535 has the high order bits masked off and the resulting character is nothing like the incoming one? unless I read it wrong?
[16:28:08] <mechanicjay> I *HATE* chrome.
[16:28:17] <Bytram> oops; typing at same time. hold on
[16:28:35] <Bytram> mechanicjay: stay away from Buicks, then. =)
[16:28:39] <bryan> the largest codepoint i allow is the CJK ideographs that stop at 40899
[16:29:06] <crutchy> mechanicjay: try cadmium... not as nice finish but still protects :-P
[16:29:15] <stdhell> Bytram: Exactly. mb_convert_encoding() "should" complain if codepoint>0xFFFF as that can't be expressed in UCS-2LE.
[16:29:18] <mechanicjay> you guys are a riot :)
[16:29:47] <stdhell> bryan: But what happens, if someone tries with e.g. U+1F4A9?
[16:29:50] <Bytram> bryan: that you allow to be emitted, though. I could send a code point >> 65535, and when masked down to 0..65535 get something entirely different than what went in. no?
[16:30:55] <crutchy> maybe its an easter egg
[16:31:12] * Bytram likes chocolate!
[16:31:16] <Bytram> chocolate++
[16:31:16] <Bender> karma - chocolate: 3
[16:31:30] <crutchy> timtams++
[16:31:31] <Bender> karma - timtams: 1
[16:31:47] <stdhell> bryan: As UTF-8: 0xF0 0x9F 0x92 0xA9
[16:31:53] <mechanicjay> Chrome--
[16:31:53] <Bender> karma - chrome: -1
[16:32:10] <crutchy> adblockedge++
[16:32:10] <Bender> karma - adblockedge: 1
[16:32:14] <mechanicjay> MicrosoftDynamicsCRM--
[16:32:14] <Bender> karma - microsoftdynamicscrm: -1
[16:32:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> As I also hate chrome:
[16:32:20] <AndyTheAbsurd> chrome--
[16:32:20] <Bender> karma - chrome: -2
[16:32:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> Microsoft--
[16:32:31] <Bender> karma - microsoft: -2
[16:32:33] <AndyTheAbsurd> Microsoft--
[16:32:33] <Bender> karma - microsoft: -3
[16:32:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> Microsoft--
[16:32:34] <Bender> karma - microsoft: -4
[16:32:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> Microsoft--
[16:32:35] <Bender> karma - microsoft: -5
[16:32:45] <crutchy> chromas++
[16:32:45] <Bender> karma - chromas: 11
[16:32:57] <AndyTheAbsurd> I could do that all day and it wouldn't lower microsoft's karma to an appropriate level.
[16:33:21] <crutchy> they could just buy more karma anyway :-/
[16:34:02] <crutchy> microsoft--
[16:34:02] <Bender> karma - microsoft: -6
[16:34:07] <crutchy> apple--
[16:34:07] <Bender> karma - apple: -1
[16:34:11] <crutchy> google--
[16:34:12] <Bender> karma - google: -1
[16:34:16] <Konomi> apple--
[16:34:16] <Bender> karma - apple: -2
[16:34:19] <Konomi> needs more
[16:34:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> swear, i am a ) missing sonofabitch today
[16:34:28] <mechanicjay> What's Chromes excuse for implementing changes that just break web browsing against an infrastructure. It's infuriating. They're as bad as MS was a decade ago with IE.
[16:34:31] <stdhell> bryan: BTW: Why are you allowing e.g. 0x15 (NAK) and 0x16 (SYN)?
[16:34:35] * Konomi returns TheMightyBuzzard's ) key
[16:34:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> linux++
[16:34:40] <Bender> karma - linux: 1
[16:34:45] <mechanicjay> linux++
[16:34:45] <Bender> karma - linux: 2
[16:34:46] <Konomi> hurd++
[16:34:46] <Bender> karma - hurd: 1
[16:34:47] <bryan> stdhell: lol, just realized what that char was - a pile of poo!
[16:34:48] * crutchy offers TheMightyBuzzard a )
[16:34:52] <Konomi> gnu++
[16:34:52] <Bender> karma - gnu: 1
[16:34:54] <Konomi> ;p
[16:35:03] <AndyTheAbsurd> Konomi++
[16:35:04] <Bender> karma - konomi: 12
[16:35:08] <mechanicjay> VAX/VMS++
[16:35:09] <bryan> http://www.fileformat.info
[16:35:10] <monopoly> Title: Unicode Character 'PILE OF POO' (U+1F4A9)
[16:35:11] <Konomi> I am most popular
[16:35:13] <Konomi> except for coffee
[16:35:20] <stdhell> bryan: We need that character to work!
[16:35:20] <crutchy> bryan... that char is valued here
[16:35:40] <stdhell> 💩++
[16:35:56] <stdhell> NAK! :-(
[16:35:58] <Bytram> hmm, so in line 23 it looks like things are *silently* converted from "UTF-8" to "UCS-2LE"... the question in my mind, then, is what does the mapping return for values that are out-of-range?
[16:35:58] <Konomi> denied
[16:35:59] <crutchy> its needed to concisely describe slashcode :-P
[16:36:08] <Bytram> is there an error code or something that needs to be checked?
[16:36:49] <crutchy> Konomi: coffee pwns
[16:37:01] <Konomi> GNU++
[16:37:01] <Bender> karma - gnu: 2
[16:37:05] <crutchy> CoffeeNews++
[16:37:05] <Bender> karma - coffeenews: 1
[16:37:09] <Konomi> nooo Bender it's GNU
[16:37:10] <crutchy> vote [9]
[16:38:23] <Bytram> on further thought, I'd think that the first things that function mb_ord should do is a domain test; if $u is outside the input domain for UCS-2LE, it should return some kind of error.
[16:38:24] <bryan> Bytram: ideally, there would be a built in ord() function that would simply convert a UTF-8 character to an int. since the php ord() function http://www.php.net falls on its face with multibyte, i made that hack of a function
[16:38:25] <monopoly> Title: PHP: ord - Manual
[16:38:50] <crutchy> ~php ord
[16:38:51] <exec> int ord( string $string )
[16:38:54] <crutchy> lol
[16:39:03] <crutchy> enlightening
[16:39:08] <Bytram> bryan: Ahhh... okay. thinking...
[16:39:43] <stdhell> bryan: But PILE-OF-POO is > 0xFFFF and can't be written in UCS-2LE.
[16:39:57] <stdhell> printf "\x00\x01\xF4\xA9" | iconv -f utf32be -t ucs-2le | hexdump -C
[16:39:57] <stdhell> iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0
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[16:40:09] * Bytram has never programmed in PHP, so this is slightly more confusing than necessary!
[16:40:35] <crutchy> its critical that all web-based applications be refactored to permit pile of poo!
[16:40:39] <stdhell> bryan: Suggestion: Convert to UTF32BE (or LE) and make a 32 bit number instead.
[16:40:54] <stdhell> Relative small change...
[16:41:02] <bryan> that would probably work and be the cleanest
[16:41:21] <Bytram> stdhell++ Aha! I *like* that!
[16:41:21] <Bender> karma - stdhell: 3
[16:41:54] <stdhell> crutchy: Fuck the rest of Unicode... POO must work!
[16:42:28] <crutchy> if we don't shit we die
[16:42:29] <stdhell> Have you noticed that the abbreviation for Pile-Of-Poo is POO?
[16:42:44] <stdhell> If you have... You're wrong!
[16:43:18] <Konomi> freaking cramps
[16:43:30] <crutchy> i've noticed that its past my bed time
[16:43:41] <Konomi> I've noticed that here too
[16:43:42] <crutchy> night all
[16:43:43] <Konomi> but I don't care
[16:43:45] <Konomi> night ;p
[16:43:53] <Bytram> stdhell: So, if pile-of-poo does not pass through the filter, would it cramp your style?
[16:44:04] <Bytram> crutchy: g'night!
[16:44:05] <crutchy> it might cramp his bowels :-P
[16:44:12] <crutchy> cyas
[16:44:18] <Bytram> bingo!
[16:44:24] <Konomi> god damn it guys ;p
[16:45:26] <Bytram> hey, I can't explain it, but there is just, well, *something* about nerd humor with words that surpasses anything I encounter outside my basement! =)
[16:45:46] <stdhell> Bytram: I did try making a pile-of-poo in a preview on pipedot and it seemed to work.
[16:45:59] <stdhell> No idea why... It shouldn't as far as I can tell.
[16:46:22] <paulej72> stdhell: how did you input it?
[16:46:28] <stdhell> Then again, I don't see where e.g. \n is accepted as clean either...
[16:46:42] <stdhell> paulej72: ctrl-shift-u 1 f 4 a 9 shift
[16:46:52] <Bytram> stdhell: Hrm? Huh! Maybe preview didn't have all the filters applied?
[16:47:11] <stdhell> Maybe... Didn't want to make a PILE-OF-POO comment...
[16:47:14] <Bytram> stdhell: is that on windows?
[16:47:19] <stdhell> HA!!!
[16:47:21] <bryan> sadly, i don't have a font installed that includes the glyph
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[16:47:36] <stdhell> bryan: Neither have I. I got a nice looking box..
[16:47:39] <bryan> 💩
[16:47:57] <stdhell> On IRC I get a box with the hex digits.
[16:48:10] <stdhell> So yeah, that's poo...
[16:48:32] <LaminatorX> Web client shows the poo.
[16:48:40] <Bytram> per recommendation from TheMightyBuzzard, I've downloaded: http://unifoundry.com
[16:48:41] <stdhell> bryan: Seriously... Where is \n accepted as a "clean_character"?
[16:48:49] <monopoly> Filetype: TrueType font data (11 MiB)
[16:48:51] <Bytram> but have not used it yet...
[16:48:54] <stdhell> LaminatorX: .. if you got the font.
[16:49:00] <Bytram> got way too many tabs open atm
[16:49:18] <bryan> stdhell: it's not, line breaks are <br> in html not \n
[16:49:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> has 40k or so glyphs
[16:49:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> bit ugly though
[16:49:52] <stdhell> bryan: But can't people enter a \n?
[16:50:05] <bryan> they get converted to html breaks
[16:50:12] <stdhell> Wait! You're not making comments into html BEFORE you filter, are you?!
[16:50:21] <LaminatorX> \\n
[16:50:30] <LaminatorX> \n
[16:52:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> here, have a
[16:52:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> .
[16:53:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> bah, lousy rotten irc client won't send linefeeds through
[16:56:06] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: uuencode and paste it here; then we'll uudecode it for you. ;
[16:56:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> too much effort. busy finding a bug.
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[16:59:12] <stdhell> bryan: https://github.com line 226, 228, 229 and 230 can be deleted... (See line 224)
[16:59:49] <stdhell> Same with line 244, 246, 247 and 248.
[17:01:20] <Bytram> stdhell: nod nod
[17:01:56] <bryan> stdhell: i've actually been looking at replacing that whole function with this library http://htmlpurifier.org
[17:01:57] <monopoly> Title: HTML Purifier - Filter your HTML the standards-compliant way!
[17:02:18] <paulej72> there is stuff like that in slash as well
[17:02:55] <Bytram> interesting, but I wonder how *well* it works?
[17:03:09] * Bytram has had pretty good luck with HTML tidy, even though it's now quite old.
[17:03:10] <bryan> it does things like enforce correctly ended tags that i dont have in my half-assed version
[17:03:18] <stdhell> bryan: Around line 271 I think there's another problem... Can't '>' be part of the value of some html attribute?
[17:03:34] <paulej72> not the purifier, the nested loops checking the same condition
[17:04:16] <Bytram> stdhell: I was wondering about that, too, but am struggling to think of a way that could appear in text he'd need to parse?
[17:05:02] <Bytram> maybe: <a href="http://example.com/foo.bar#here\>is\>more">foo</a> or somesuch?
[17:05:44] <stdhell> I have found anything yet that checks what attributes are used.
[17:05:45] <Bytram> hmm or even more likely as values in args to a cgi script on the host.
[17:06:46] <stdhell> <a href="http://pipedot.org/" foo=">" bar >
[17:06:47] <monopoly> Title: Pipedot
[17:06:56] <stdhell> monopoly: NO!
[17:07:08] <Bytram> <a href="http://example.com/foo.pl?this=1;that=2;poo='>';">oops?</a>
[17:07:38] <stdhell> Line 350 is odd...
[17:07:46] <stdhell> (http|ftp)+ ?
[17:07:47] <Bytram> no, 350 is even.
[17:07:49] <Bytram> =)
[17:07:56] <stdhell> So httphttphttp is ok?
[17:08:18] <stdhell> + is "one or more".
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[17:09:26] <Bytram> stdhell: scroll back 53 minutes or so. =)
[17:09:57] <Bytram> stdhell: yes, I agree with that assessment;
[17:10:22] * Bytram prefers the url scheme: ackphth:\\3example.com
[17:10:50] <stdhell> Bytram: Ah... Didn't see that earlier...
[17:11:08] <Bytram> np. but it's nice to have my assessment confirmed.
[17:11:42] <Bytram> regexp is insuffient to handle HTML; it
[17:12:32] * TheMightyBuzzard headdesks
[17:12:33] <Bytram> it's the nature of the language's implementations and what each allows; one just cannot entirely encompass the other (i.e. regexp is not up to the task, by itself)
[17:12:59] * Bytram offers TheMightyBuzzard a pillow and two aspirin. What's up?
[17:13:00] <stdhell> Pipedot doesn't like &#...; at all. :-(
[17:13:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> issues.
[17:13:34] <Bytram> stdhell: have you tried: &amp;#...; =)
[17:14:09] <stdhell> Bytram: I haven't tried anything. I'm just reading the code. :-)
[17:14:11] <bryan> named entities like &amp; are allowed, numbered entities are not
[17:14:20] <Bytram> bryan: your code is quite helpful, thanks!
[17:15:12] <stdhell> bryan: You could convert them to utf32be (easy) and run the clean_character() check.
[17:15:35] <Bytram> do have one request, though: I see "magic numbers" where certain code points are expressly checked for and rejected without any explanation. Comments as to what they represent and why they are excluded would greatly improve readability and maintainability.
[17:16:05] * stdhell would prefer those ranges as hex numbers.
[17:16:20] <Bytram> a hex on you, stdhell
[17:16:33] <stdhell> For easy lookup on fileformat.info or whatever.
[17:16:59] <Bytram> e.g. lines 41, 61, 71, etc.
[17:17:28] <stdhell> Agree...
[17:17:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> bryan, why no numbered?
[17:17:42] <stdhell> And I still don't get why e.g. 21 is allowed...
[17:18:17] <bryan> most of those exclusions are unrenderable and show up as blocks
[17:18:29] <bryan> 0x21? isnt that an exclamation point?
[17:18:32] <stdhell> 21 is NAK
[17:18:44] <stdhell> 21 DEC!!! Not hex...
[17:19:15] <stdhell> If it was 0x21, you would have allowed 0x20 (space) too...
[17:19:16] <Bytram> better stil, use the approach in function clean_entities() where you load up an array; could enumerate values that need to be excluded (along with comments identifying and explaining why) and then just do a quick check if the current char is in the exclusion array.
[17:20:15] <stdhell> return(false) if($char in @damn_dirty_apes);
[17:20:59] <Bytram> LOL! I just imagined a man-off-the-street reading this conversation and watching them cringe in bewilderment; we are a strange lot sometimes!
[17:21:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Open Source User Support - Better Than the Big Guys? - http://sylnt.us - about-turn
[17:21:18] <Bytram> ugh. just noticed the time; gtg
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[17:21:32] <bryan> cya Bytram, thx for the input
[17:21:33] <Bytram> will leave window for now until I need to leave
[17:21:42] <Bytram> np! thanks for all your help, too!!!
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[17:22:18] <stdhell> What does string_replace_all(" ", " ", trim($subject)); do if the input is e.g. 4 spaces?
[17:22:47] <stdhell> Does it replace the first 2 with 1... And then the last 2 with another?
[17:22:53] <bryan> not much, since the trim() would get the spaces first
[17:23:08] <stdhell> Ok.. "a"+4_spaces+"b" then...
[17:23:48] <bryan> then yes, it the first pass through the loop would covert to 2 spaces like that
[17:24:08] <bryan> then the second pass through the loop would convert the 2 remaining spaces into 1
[17:24:26] <stdhell> What loop?
[17:24:49] <stdhell> I'm talking about line 661.
[17:25:01] <Jaruzel> i tend to wrap stuff like that with a while instr($subject," ")=true
[17:25:07] <Jaruzel> scuse my psuedo code
[17:26:13] <stdhell> I just use a / +/
[17:26:37] <bryan> as do i, until i got tired of having loops everywhere and just wrote a utility function string_replace_all() https://github.com
[17:27:40] <stdhell> You can't do /g in PHP?
[17:27:51] <bryan> stdhell's regexp might be better, ya, you can
[17:28:19] <Jaruzel> regex hurts my head, I tend to avoid it wherever possible.
[17:28:33] <stdhell> OMG! You're not even allowing a 64K comment?! :-)
[17:30:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> regex is god
[17:31:20] <bryan> chose 64k as a large enough breakpoint to not effect most comments but still not allow someone to encode binaries in base64 and start pasting them as comments
[17:31:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> having no issues with regex in slash, only finding out why certain ones are being applied to completely the wrong things right now.
[17:32:02] <stdhell> bryan: But your limit is 64000, not 64K...
[17:33:10] <bryan> http://en.wikipedia.org versus http://en.wikipedia.org
[17:33:11] <monopoly> Title: Kibibyte - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[17:33:11] <monopoly> Filetype: cannot open `/tmp/titleread' (No such file or directory) (0 bytes)
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[17:33:23] <Jaruzel> unless you are a HDD manufacturer
[17:33:31] <Jaruzel> then 64k= 64000
[17:34:06] <bryan> 64 kilobytes is 64000, as per iso standards
[17:34:27] <bryan> err SI, not ISO
[17:34:46] <stdhell> OMG! You're not even allowing a 64Ki comment?! :-)
[17:34:48] <stdhell> Better?
[17:35:14] <bryan> kB and KiB
[17:35:35] <bryan> lower case k for kilo! upper case for Kibi!
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[17:37:01] <stdhell> OMG! You're not even allowing a 64 Kibibyte comment?!
[17:37:03] <stdhell> Happy now?!
[17:37:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not, you said Kibibyte. SI can die in a fire. I want my proper kilobyte back.
[17:37:58] <Jaruzel> stdhell- you were right the first time: from the wikip: "The binary representation of 1024 bytes typically uses the symbol KB, using an upper-case K. Informally sometimes the B is dropped, making K generally understood as 1024 bytes"
[17:38:01] <stdhell> TheMightyBuzzard: Me too. That's why I just said 64K at first.
[17:38:16] <stdhell> Jaruzel: I know...
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[17:40:48] <Jaruzel> maybe we should all just agree to talk in bytes. No confusion there. Also, as everyone knows bigger numbers make things seem bigger ;)
[17:44:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm in a kill all SI bastards mood myself. you can have my feet/yards/pounds but you'll pry bytes from my cold, dead hands.
[17:47:40] <stdhell> bryan: I haven't checked where crypt_binary_decode() is called, but you got a problem if strlen($binary) % 8 != 0.
[17:47:48] <stdhell> Actually two problems...
[17:52:51] <stdhell> bryan: In crypt_escape(), shouldn't \\ be replaced before \r? Otherwise \r => \\r => \\\\r
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[17:56:47] <bryan> stdhell: good points
[17:57:25] <Bytram|afk> !uid
[17:57:25] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4464, owned by weirdpercent
[17:58:01] <Bytram|afk> ok; time for me to go. It's a gorgeous day so I'll be out for a while.
[17:58:05] <Bytram|afk> have fun!
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[17:59:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm.... i need a break. clear the head.
[17:59:28] <Woods> Bytram determins his shedule based on the newest created UID.
[18:02:38] <mrcoolbp> lol
[18:03:09] <mrcoolbp> $seen xlefay
[18:03:09] <aqu4> I last saw xlefay at 2014-05-03 00:39:51 UTC in #soylent. Their most recent message is " Order alone : 5"
[18:09:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, that's why i'm crabby. haven't had a cigarette in like 4 hours
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[18:42:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Back To The Future With an All Electric DeLorean - http://sylnt.us - need-more-capacitors
[19:30:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why the cyber-insurance industry is a mess. - http://sylnt.us - I-thought-insurance-was-always-a-mess
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[20:06:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck it, i got things working with utf8==1 today. that's enough for now. i'll look at utf8==0 some more tomorrow.
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[21:40:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Unisys is Shifting to Intel Xeon chips for its Flagship ClearPath Servers. - http://sylnt.us - hands-up-those-who-remember-Unisys!
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[22:16:29] <Blackmoore> unisys?
[22:16:35] <Blackmoore> they still exist?
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[22:24:52] <ar> coffee--
[22:24:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 261
[22:25:17] <ar> TheMightyBuzzard: why would you care about unicode turned off, really?
[22:30:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Glasses for those with Failing Vision - http://sylnt.us - aren't-all-glasses-made-for-failing-vision?
[22:45:03] <Bytram> ar: good question. We know that slash has withstood a tremendous beating at the hands of some creative, and occasionally ticked-off, nerds. UTF-8 support opens some potential avenues for "creativity". It would be nice to be able to turn it off in a pinch. This is also open source, so for someone who just wants a "simple" english-only site, there'd be no need for UTF-8 support. it's nice to keep the
[22:45:03] <Bytram> option open, as well.
[22:49:00] <Bytram> ar: all that is my guess, of course. There may be other reasons, as well. I suspect it is also good to know *exactly* where UTF-8 support affects "things" and where it does not.
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[23:32:50] <chromas> http://soylentnews.org
[23:32:51] <monopoly> Title: SoylentNews Comments | It's Easy to Infect People With Malware If You Pay Them a Few Cents
[23:32:57] <chromas> ^Is that the real apl?
[23:33:02] <chromas> k
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