#Soylent | Logs for 2014-06-17
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[00:00:43] <NCommander> matt_, I'm re-reviewing the articles of incorporation, and figuring out what else we need before we file. Possibly drag mrcoolbp and anyone else local to the "Incorporation Day" stuff
[00:01:43] <matt_> NCommander, ok. i noticed that mbcoolbp said that he was only free on wed between 12-2pm (i think) this week.
[00:01:48] * Bytram offers a kazoo to use in the celebration
[00:02:17] <NCommander> matt_, yeah. I think we can get everything ready for that. I think I just want to settle the board of directors most
[00:02:48] <matt_> true. initial BoD, anyway.
[00:03:03] <paulej72> NCommander: not sure if it is Project Wonderful, but some of the web comics I visit have ad services that like to put up full screen ads and app purchase redirects on my iPad
[00:03:16] <NCommander> paulej72, which web comics?
[00:03:18] * NCommander can check
[00:03:29] <NCommander> paulej72, I was just reviewing it since the community tossed it up for us to look at
[00:03:34] <paulej72> some of the ones on the first link you gave.
[00:03:58] <paulej72> it does not happen all of the time, but something to think about
[00:04:39] <NCommander> paulej72, that would be exceedngly annoying. I've read Homestuck on my phone though and don't remember ever seeing it doing that
[00:05:38] <Blackmoore> the hive works is another webcomic ad vendor
[00:06:04] <paulej72> Can’t think of the last time it happened, but it does from time to time and a page refresh usually loads a new ad that does not have the issue
[00:08:41] <Bytram> NCommander: are we still planning on self-hosting our ads, and that they be static-only-text (or at least non-animated)?
[00:08:47] <paulej72> what I think is funny is that all of these web comics are part of these ad networks and show ads for each other while paying for ad to be shown for thier sites. Do they actually come out ahead?
[00:09:39] <NCommander> Bytram, if possible.
[00:10:19] <paulej72> I think we should get Dice to pay for ads for ./ on our site :)
[00:10:33] <Bytram> paulej72++
[00:10:33] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 23
[00:10:45] <Bytram> NCommander: good!
[00:12:35] <paulej72> hey I know lets start a webring :)
[00:13:15] <Bytram> ROFL!!
[00:13:51] * Bytram notes that could be WebRing or WeBring
[00:14:46] <Bytram> and with that, I needs to be going. Might check in later tonight. o/w tomorrow.
[00:14:52] <Bytram> have fun everybody!
[00:14:59] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[00:15:13] <paulej72> Yes I need to get some food, so I am going as well
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[00:17:36] <NCommander> matt_, so corporation name, board of directors, am I missing anything else?
[00:17:53] <NCommander> matt_, oh, registered agent + principle address
[00:17:55] <matt_> an address would be a good thing to think about too.
[00:18:02] <matt_> registered agent is taken care of.
[00:18:07] <NCommander> I <3 you
[00:18:20] <NCommander> I'm open to suggestions on the principle address
[00:18:53] <matt_> let's discuss at the meeting...
[00:19:33] <NCommander> matt_, sure, now we just need to figure out who needs to be there :-)
[00:19:38] * NCommander loves rangling cats
[00:20:20] <matt_> good luck with that ;)
[00:20:29] <matt_> the more the merrier!
[00:22:20] <NCommander> matt_, well, I guess does boil down to does the principle address need to be in Delaware
[00:22:25] <NCommander> If it does, then we need to get creative
[00:22:37] <NCommander> If not, then I'll see if the staff can offer up an address
[00:22:46] <Subsentient> s/rangling/wrangling/
[00:22:49] <Subsentient> NCommander: s/rangling/wrangling/
[00:22:53] <Subsentient> dammit
[00:22:56] <NCommander> rofl
[00:22:57] <exec> The yankees, son, are up north. The damnyankees are down here.
[00:23:03] <NCommander> ...
[00:23:12] <NCommander> I swear, we have too many bots in here
[00:23:16] <matt_> it definitely does not need to be in Delaware. it just needs to be somewhere semi-permanent-ish.
[00:23:49] <NCommander> matt_, lets see if mrcoolbp, Bytram, or someone else can offer an address
[00:24:27] <matt_> if it's not too personal, it may help to ask if that person would be comfortable having a quick credit-check, as it would be the address given to the bank.
[00:28:11] <NCommander> matt_, right, which means we need them for the bank account opening and have them on the BOD to handle things related to the bank
[00:28:54] <matt_> wouldn't technically need to be on the BoD, could just be the secretary and/or treasurer, for example.
[00:32:03] <NCommander> matt_, isn't that position traditionally on the BoD?
[00:35:26] <matt_> not sure about 'traditionally', but in this case, i just thought that this person may or may not want the added responsibility...
[00:36:20] <matt_> NCommander, how many people/who do you think we can get to a meeting this week?
[00:37:20] <NCommander> matt_, in meatspace or online?
[00:38:01] <matt_> meatspace is easier for getting everything on the table, i think.
[00:39:24] <NCommander> matt_, unclear. mrcoolbp said Wednesday, but we'd have to be quick and effecient.
[00:39:31] <NCommander> Not sure who else is relatively local
[00:39:57] <matt_> NCommander, you and i could do a pre-meet tomorrow to prepare for a wednesday full-meet?
[00:40:40] <NCommander> matt_, today or tomorrow is both reasonable for me. Definiately need a place w/ wifi though :-)
[00:43:30] <matt_> i could do dinner tonight at 8pm or later. you may have to choose between wifi and lobster :)
[00:44:20] <NCommander> I can do wifi :-)
[00:44:25] <NCommander> I had my lobster, I'm happy
[00:46:48] <matt_> how about either the starbucks on ames st. in kendall sq. or if that is too noisy, we could find a place near mit. both should have good wifi.
[00:47:15] <NCommander> matt_, is SB open that late?
[00:48:14] <matt_> closes at 9pm, so we could get our snacks, then transition to mit :-)
[00:51:53] * NCommander could just meet you at the MIT campus
[00:51:55] <NCommander> ;-)
[00:52:05] * NCommander looks at the map
[00:53:03] <NCommander> matt_, I'm in a walking mood so I'm going to pack up, and start walking over towards MIT
[00:53:10] <NCommander> Google says its about a 45 minute walk
[00:53:21] * NCommander always walked from Wellington this morning/ 3.5 miles
[00:53:38] <matt_> ok. text me when you get there. i will aim to arrive around 8pm.
[00:53:50] * NCommander makes sure he has your number in my phone
[00:54:15] <crutchy|zzz> nc.. sorry about that. i disabled the rofl fortune
[00:54:33] <crutchy|zzz> was a little trap for xlefay
[00:54:50] <NCommander> Yup, got it
[00:58:42] <chromas> crutchy|zzz: sleep-IRCing?
[00:59:47] crutchy|zzz is now known as crutchy
[00:59:59] <crutchy> kids at skool
[01:00:07] <crutchy> now i can have coffee
[01:00:45] <chromas> It's almost xmas vacation there, right?
[01:01:23] <crutchy> lol
[01:01:46] <chromas> Or do you hate that instead of. Homer vacation
[01:01:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - It's Easy to Infect People With Malware If You Pay Them a Few Cents - http://sylnt.us - will-do-anything-for-cash
[01:01:55] <chromas> Derp
[01:02:09] <chromas> Have that instead of summer vacation
[01:02:09] <crutchy> took day off cos missus is in a sling and feeling sore and sorry for herself
[01:03:31] <crutchy> Bender: s/Malware If You Pay Them a Few Cents/Windows and have them pay for the privilege/
[01:03:31] <SedBot> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - It's Easy to Infect People With Windows and have them pay for the privilege - http://sylnt.us - will-do-anything-for-cash
[01:04:56] <chromas> You may have to give her a b12 / zinc injection for that
[01:05:14] <chromas> Dr. crutchy's rocket sauce
[01:09:59] <paulej72> Ok everyone, I am taking suggestions for what I should start working on next. I do reserve the right not to take anyone’s suggestions though :P
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[01:11:42] <crutchy> paulej72, animated gifs aplenty
[01:12:42] <crutchy> what's next on the github priority list?
[01:19:39] <chromas> Drop shadows
[01:20:13] <crutchy> tbh i haven't been on the SN website much lately
[01:20:46] <chromas> Tsk tsk
[01:21:24] <chromas> Not that I have room to talk
[01:24:39] <paulej72> need to look at the list
[01:25:12] <crutchy> !todo paulej72
[01:25:12] <Bender> todo item 9 added
[01:25:20] <crutchy> lol that wasn't what i expected
[01:25:33] <crutchy> !done paulej72
[01:25:33] <Bender> paulej72 is not an integer
[01:25:38] <paulej72> !todo
[01:25:38] <Bender> todo for paulej72: 1) Kill D2 2) fix all buttons to have proper case. 3) fix bug #68 some links are worn color in comment details 4) trace JS loads to fix JS resize of certain elements on mobil devices. 5) style blockquote and see what is up with quote 6) add night mode skin per 112 7) make sure it is Log In and Log Out per bug 116 8) fix journal template to fix broken - 1 more
[01:25:43] <crutchy> !done 9
[01:25:43] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[01:25:44] <paulej72> !more
[01:25:47] <Bender> link title tex per bug 118 9) fix relationships ui as per bug 37 10) add admin check to JS load 11) add cvs tag to images 12) have slash use DateTime::TimeZone instead of its built in crap 13) add amin interface for stuff we need to touch in the db like css, menus, and reskey 14) delete todo list
[01:25:52] <chromas> d2 was the best of the diablos
[01:26:10] <crutchy> d2 is a critical part of r2d2
[01:26:24] <paulej72> !done 10
[01:26:24] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[01:26:39] <paulej72> !done 9
[01:26:39] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[01:26:55] <chromas> !todo
[01:26:55] <Bender> nothing todo for chromas ;]
[01:26:56] <paulej72> !done 8
[01:26:59] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[01:27:00] <chromas> Well now I can go home
[01:27:01] <paulej72> !done 7
[01:27:03] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[01:27:10] <ar> !todo paulej72
[01:27:10] <Bender> todo item 1 added
[01:27:14] <ar> huh
[01:27:19] <paulej72> !done 4
[01:27:19] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[01:27:25] <paulej72> !todo
[01:27:25] <Bender> todo for paulej72: 1) Kill D2 2) fix all buttons to have proper case. 3) fix bug #68 some links are worn color in comment details 4) style blockquote and see what is up with quote 5) add night mode skin per 112 6) add cvs tag to images 7) have slash use DateTime::TimeZone instead of its built in crap 8) add amin interface for stuff we need to touch in the db like css, - 1 more
[01:27:31] <paulej72> !more
[01:27:31] <Bender> menus, and reskey 9) delete todo list
[01:27:51] <paulej72> !done 5
[01:27:51] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[01:28:13] <paulej72> !todo
[01:28:13] <Bender> todo for paulej72: 1) Kill D2 2) fix all buttons to have proper case. 3) fix bug #68 some links are worn color in comment details 4) style blockquote and see what is up with quote 5) add cvs tag to images 6) have slash use DateTime::TimeZone instead of its built in crap 7) add amin interface for stuff we need to touch in the db like css, menus, and reskey 8) delete todo - 1 more
[01:28:19] <paulej72> !more
[01:28:19] <Bender> list
[01:28:26] <chromas> Hey, there's something—tweak night colors
[01:28:26] <paulej72> !todo
[01:28:26] <Bender> todo for paulej72: 1) Kill D2 2) fix all buttons to have proper case. 3) fix bug #68 some links are worn color in comment details 4) style blockquote and see what is up with quote 5) add cvs tag to images 6) have slash use DateTime::TimeZone instead of its built in crap 7) add amin interface for stuff we need to touch in the db like css, menus, and reskey 8) delete todo - 1 more
[01:28:30] <paulej72> !more
[01:28:30] <Bender> list
[01:29:51] <paulej72> chromas: if someone gives me a mock-up I can tweak the colors. I am not sure I have the skills to tweak them futher myself
[01:30:31] <chromas> I was just thinking of the red-on-gray. Gray needs to be darker or red needs to go pink or orange or something
[01:31:30] <paulej72> chromas: the pink looks like shit, and if I go darker gray, it does not look as good.
[01:32:05] <chromas> Aw, I like the darker
[01:32:36] <chromas> Could just be my display but the red links are harder to read for me
[01:32:38] <paulej72> backgound is at #333 that is fairly dark
[01:33:17] <chromas> damn cheap LCDs
[01:37:40] <paulej72> chromas: that is probably the issue, or the gamma is set wrong.
[01:38:18] <crutchy> chromas... can override the color in your browser too
[01:38:20] <chromas> I hate setting gamma
[01:38:59] <chromas> I had it set up once and everything was too dark to see
[01:39:09] <chromas> That was on Windows using the nvidia whatever
[01:39:26] <paulej72> chromas: if the gamma is set wrong #333 will look to bright compared to what it really is.
[01:46:26] <NCommander> damn no Matt
[01:47:36] <paulej72> NCommander: maybe he is watching the futbol match
[01:47:55] <NCommander> football is overrated
[01:48:35] <paulej72> USA is up 2-1
[01:51:17] <crutchy> you meeting in meatspace?
[01:51:33] <NCommander> yeah
[01:52:03] * crutchy hates meatspace. there is an asshat tiler in my bathroom. can't wait till he fucks offf
[01:52:33] <paulej72> crutchy: why are you not doing it yourself
[01:52:59] * crutchy is not handy
[01:53:15] <crutchy> whole bathroom has been torn out and replaced
[01:53:49] <paulej72> poor crutchy has to pay workers to do all his home repair.
[01:53:58] <crutchy> though for AUD$11k i prolly should learn
[01:54:16] <crutchy> i can do some
[01:54:22] <paulej72> I started doing home renovations when I was 12.
[01:54:27] <crutchy> just not comfortable doing entire rooms
[01:55:24] <paulej72> I wired up my gagage with my dad when we finshed the walls by putting up peg board to hang all of our tools
[01:56:18] <paulej72> Probably not to code as we only put outlets on the one wall. Should have put in more.
[01:56:49] <paulej72> Although being in the sticks menat we did not need pull permits :)
[02:06:46] <stderr> http://tech.slashdot.org
[02:06:48] <monopoly> Filetype: UTF-8 Unicode text (11 lines, 546 bytes)
[02:07:35] <stderr> Oops, wrong window... But WTF?!
[02:08:27] <stderr> Looks like monopoly is broken. There are a lot more than 11 lines and 546 bytes at that URL.
[02:12:40] <chromas> for some reason if I set the user-agent to something then it gets back xml
[02:13:16] <crutchy> maybe there's only 11 lines that aren't full of dice poo
[02:15:13] <chromas> http://tech.slashdot.org
[02:15:14] <monopoly> Title: Unicode 7.0 Released, Supporting 23 New Scripts - Slashdot
[02:15:16] <chromas> aha
[02:15:34] <chromas> I had -o instead of -O
[02:15:49] <chromas> so it was making a log and checking that
[02:16:03] <crutchy> more exclamation required
[02:16:22] <chromas> wget -O for output to file
[02:16:31] <chromas> -o writes a log to file instea
[02:16:33] <chromas> d
[02:16:52] <chromas> I wrote it wrong after I tried using curl instead of wget
[02:16:59] <crutchy> is there a wget to string result?
[02:17:28] <chromas> it writes to a file, using -O lets me tell it what file, instead of it making something up
[02:18:30] <chromas> I want to set a user-agent string because some sites give a 403 with the default wget uses
[02:19:03] <crutchy> w32.conficker/C?
[02:19:27] <crutchy> or D or E or whatever its up to nowadays
[02:20:11] <chromas> I think it's just wget/version
[02:20:35] <chromas> The correct ua-string for a modern browser lists at least fifteen other browsers and three render engines
[02:21:41] <crutchy> natalie.portman/b-cups
[02:21:53] <crutchy> ^monopoly's new ua string
[02:26:24] <stderr> foobar/3.1415 is what I often use...
[02:27:00] <stderr> For various values of "often".
[02:29:44] <crutchy> i just us firefox's if i need one
[02:30:38] <stderr> GoogleBot is also useful.
[02:31:37] <chromas> should work now
[02:31:43] <crutchy> a lot of sites block that i think, but depends what you're scraping i guess
[02:31:45] <chromas> hey yeah and with google bot maybe they'll give more info
[02:31:51] <crutchy> lol
[02:32:07] <crutchy> just set privacy=none
[02:32:10] <chromas> "We would like to show you a summary but the web site doesn't allow…"
[02:32:49] <stderr> crutchy: Some sites let Google index more than a "normal" non-paying human can see.
[02:33:26] <chromas> http://www.mslinux.org
[02:33:27] <monopoly> Title: Microsoft Linux - the premier linux distro
[02:33:30] <chromas> woo
[02:33:38] <chromas> time to go make food then
[02:33:47] <chromas> (bot fixing > food)
[02:34:04] <stderr> I'll just go to bed...
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[02:34:16] <crutchy> not sure why they would do that. if they want to attract paying customers i mean
[02:35:09] <crutchy> google is just for getting people to your site. if they're already the i imagine doing whatever you can to keep them there would be pretty important
[02:35:27] <crutchy> *there
[02:36:13] <crutchy> but yeah i guess depends a lot what site
[02:36:13] <stderr> crutchy: They want people with money to find the site, otherwise they won't pay at all.
[02:36:48] <SpallsHurgenson> oh good, unicode7 released... what version of unicode does slash support again? :)
[02:37:32] <crutchy> unicode-halfassed-0.001a
[02:37:38] <crutchy> :-P
[02:37:53] <SpallsHurgenson> I think you are over-estimating the level of support :)
[02:37:59] <crutchy> though i think TheMightyBuzzard is working on improving in that area
[02:38:20] <SpallsHurgenson> if it supports unicode, is it really still slash though?
[02:38:23] * SpallsHurgenson zens
[02:38:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> not just this moment i'm not. reading a book.
[02:38:52] <crutchy> ...on unicode :-D
[02:38:55] <paulej72> crutchy: check out night mode on dev. Used #222 for the background
[02:39:10] <crutchy> even darker eh
[02:39:25] * crutchy opens browser
[02:39:49] * stderr goes to bed
[02:39:50] <SpallsHurgenson> wow, it's like being blind!
[02:40:00] <paulej72> chromas: too
[02:41:11] <crutchy> night stderr
[02:41:12] <SpallsHurgenson> I love air-conditioning, I really do
[02:41:28] <crutchy> still #333333 for me
[02:41:33] <crutchy> in prod
[02:42:37] <paulej72> SpallsHurgenson: the perl and mysql is new enoguh to support utf-8 but slash was deliberatley broke so not to support utf-8. We are trying to reverse-engineeri the what they did to break it.
[02:43:09] <paulej72> crutchy: dev only for now.
[02:44:15] * TheMightyBuzzard nods at paulej72
[02:44:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> what he said
[02:44:29] <chromas> ooh, I like the dark :D
[02:45:01] <chromas> I was playing with the gamma on my display, though. I'll cum back and loook some more after chopping
[02:45:05] <crutchy> rgb(34, 34, 34)
[02:45:11] <crutchy> is that #22222?
[02:45:17] <paulej72> I have found that my fingers do not obey my mind
[02:45:30] <crutchy> seems about right'ish
[02:45:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> though see above re: book. will get back to fooling with it tomorrow.
[02:46:27] <paulej72> also I seem to make copy pasta a lot.
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[02:58:09] <Blackmoore|home> sup?
[02:58:30] <SpallsHurgenson> soup!
[02:59:11] <Blackmoore|home> not unless you are providing a nice cool gespacho.
[02:59:28] <SpallsHurgenson> cold tomato soup? Take it back and heat it up!
[02:59:52] <Blackmoore|home> and that was the end of his promisigg carreer.
[03:00:28] <Blackmoore|home> it's around 80f here. not at al ready for the heat. or the humidity
[03:01:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How to Get Better Stories onto Soylent - http://sylnt.us - a-submitter's-opinion
[03:10:28] <Blackmoore|home> well if we could post up fiction I'm sure i can give them some better stories
[03:11:19] <NCommander> paulej72, you around?
[03:11:25] <NCommander> paulej72, I've got a post in the hopper about subscriptions
[03:11:29] <NCommander> paulej72, start screaming now.
[03:11:34] <paulej72> ok
[03:16:00] <SpallsHurgenson> I hope only subscribers can post :
[03:16:11] <SpallsHurgenson> s/subscribers/paid subscribers/
[03:16:11] <SedBot> <SpallsHurgenson> I hope only paid subscribers can post :
[03:17:16] <paulej72> NCommander: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[03:17:57] <Blackmoore|home> bleh. if we go to subscriber only we'll end up like pipedot
[03:18:28] <Blackmoore|home> I don't mind the idea of having subscribers. i just object to shutting people out
[03:18:49] <Blackmoore|home> the chat room on the other hand.
[03:19:09] <Blackmoore|home> we can just put a rejection on poutine..\
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[03:19:13] <paulej72> no it has already been stated that anyone will be able to post. Subscribers get benefits other than the no ads
[03:19:46] <SpallsHurgenson> wait, what? you can't put ads on the internet!
[03:19:58] <paulej72> shell access, access to stories before they go live …
[03:20:26] <SpallsHurgenson> can subscribers get fancy little hats too?
[03:23:47] * chromas adds cheese to his sauce subscription
[03:26:07] * NCommander mops paulej72's brain off the wall
[03:26:08] <NCommander> Damn it
[03:26:35] <NCommander> paulej72, I plan to write pam_slashcode, no LDAP, no kerberos, just one giant C module :-D
[03:26:54] <NCommander> Oh, and a shell script to make SSH keys work :-D
[03:27:38] <paulej72> NCommander: I would suggest we firewall the shell access to a dedicated server
[03:28:04] <NCommander> paulej72, its going to be a dedicated server
[03:28:05] <NCommander> I'm not mad
[03:28:08] <NCommander> ... that mad
[03:28:18] <NCommander> probably dedicated servers :-)
[03:28:35] <NCommander> Need to go find who can host, not sure if this will fly with Linode, but we can get dedicated boxes from someone
[03:29:19] <paulej72> we need to have the sbscription module do all of the access work automagically for us or this makes little sense.
[03:31:15] <chromas> NCommander: BlueHost?
[03:31:19] <NCommander> chromas, DIE!
[03:31:29] * chromas rofls
[03:31:43] <NCommander> paulej72, that was the plan, the subscription module tracks things like times, the pam_slashcode bit checks if the login is valid, and if so, check subscription status
[03:34:30] <paulej72> Anyone have any outstanding css issues that they want me to look at
[03:34:47] <NCommander> paulej72, yes. its caused our CSS is crap
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[03:36:03] <paulej72> I figured I would have a real site mockup by now to do the real css aginst instead of patching up the bad css over and over.
[03:36:31] <NCommander> paulej72, and I thought we'd be incorporated and using mod_perl 2. Also a pony, because, well why not
[03:36:43] * NCommander would love to have someone tell me to fuck off, and fuck the horse I road in on
[03:36:45] <paulej72> pink pony
[03:36:58] <NCommander> *rode
[03:36:58] <paulej72> not horse
[03:37:06] <paulej72> toad
[03:37:13] <NCommander> Dead developers!
[03:37:44] <paulej72> we should change the site slogan back to the old one
[03:38:08] <NCommander> paulej72, feel free to do so
[03:40:40] <SpallsHurgenson> yay, blog has its own domain now :)
[03:40:58] <crutchy> all the perl monks are passing away and too busy choosing the bike instead of the naked chick so they have no offspring to carry on the perl tradition
[03:41:26] <Blackmoore|home> g'night all - i need to go and minecraft...
[03:41:29] <crutchy> ...and the php maggots have infested everything :-P
[03:41:37] <crutchy> cya Blackmoore|home
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[03:42:26] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: for SN?
[03:42:47] <SpallsHurgenson> chromas: no, just a roleplaying game thing I do :)
[03:42:52] <chromas> ah
[03:42:56] <paulej72> What was the orginal slogan. i can’t remember
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[03:43:29] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v Bytram|away] by juggler
[03:43:31] <chromas> …is people
[03:43:32] <SpallsHurgenson> "news for nerds, soylentnews is people!"
[03:44:27] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[03:45:39] <chromas> How about many slogans that change randomly, like the page generator
[03:46:43] <Bytram> how about we start with: Slogan!
[03:49:11] <chromas> SoylentNews — [8] is people! [3] news for birds; stuff that tatters [7] Soylent eat you; what a country!
[03:52:41] <chromas> [4] shoes for birds; stuff that spatters
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[04:15:16] * SpallsHurgenson mutters
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[04:20:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Vice-President of the European Commission Comments On Taxi Apps And Wider Sharing Economy - http://sylnt.us - tell-it-like-it-is!
[04:32:38] <chromas> Amen, brother, Bender!
[04:39:30] <SpallsHurgenson> I need a better PDF reader
[04:41:17] <paulej72> SpallsHurgenson: you can higher someone from India on H1B to do that for you.
[04:41:30] <chromas> okular boots up nice and slow
[04:43:36] <SpallsHurgenson> I use sumatra, which is wonderfully lightweight and fast, but rather limited in features :(
[04:44:07] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: s/e /e kama /
[04:44:08] <SedBot> <chromas> <SpallsHurgenson> I use kama sumatra, which is wonderfully lightweight and fast, but rather limited in features :(
[04:44:32] <chromas> Features? There's something beyond scrolling through with an index on the side?
[04:45:09] <SpallsHurgenson> I know it's old fashioned, but I'd like scroll bars :)
[04:45:16] <SpallsHurgenson> and thumbnails :)
[04:52:22] <chromas> and it should auto-run scripts, of course
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[04:53:16] <SpallsHurgenson> next you'll be suggesting embedded Flash :)
[04:54:33] <Bytram> SpallsHurgenson: thumbnails are especially helpful when I try to remove price tags from a gift.
[04:55:17] <Bytram> and a thumbs up for SumatraPDF, too. Lightweight, fast, just gets the job done.
[04:55:43] <Bytram> btw, what OS are you running?
[04:56:06] <chromas> all his apps seem to be windows ones :-(
[04:56:24] <chromas> pdf, irc...
[04:56:41] <SpallsHurgenson> windows 3.1 :)
[04:57:18] <Bytram> Man, you gotta upgade! At least get WfWG: 3.11!
[04:57:21] <Bytram> =)
[04:59:37] <chromas> I remember that. First Windows I used. Some of the computers had a slightly different version, though
[04:59:47] <crutchy> it has a control panel and everything!
[04:59:58] <SpallsHurgenson> who needs that sort of capability? networking is never gonna catch on. that's what we have floppy disks for!
[04:59:58] <crutchy> although it is a bit bloated
[05:00:35] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: s/py /tical /
[05:00:36] <SedBot> <chromas> <SpallsHurgenson> who needs that sort of capability? networking is never gonna catch on. that's what we have floptical disks for!
[05:01:03] <crutchy> floptical++
[05:01:03] <Bender> karma - floptical: 1
[05:01:35] * SpallsHurgenson shows off his fancy Iomega Zip Disk... 100 MB, baby!
[05:01:54] <crutchy> wow... and here i was thinking 512k would be enough for anyone
[05:02:13] <chromas> My sister had a Compaq with an LS-120 drive. fpos and so was the replacement
[05:02:15] * crutchy returns to his ascii pr0n
[05:02:30] <SpallsHurgenson> I loved my zip drive... I know it got a bad rep with that whole click-o-death thing, but it was sturdy, awesome tech for me :)
[05:03:13] <chromas> Should have been superceded by a rar drive or the elusive uha
[05:03:44] <crutchy> you need gnu/zip... comes with disks you can chew
[05:04:00] * SpallsHurgenson googles uha
[05:04:36] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm... another archive format I never heard of :)
[05:05:47] <crutchy> it's the new standard
[05:05:54] <SpallsHurgenson> apparently slow than RAR; impressive if true :)
[05:06:03] <crutchy> that will combine/replace all existing standards
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[05:06:51] * chromas pipes from /dev/urandom and greps for the smallest data set that decompresses to the desired output
[05:08:46] <SpallsHurgenson> maximize your savings by using extremely lossy compression
[05:09:07] <SpallsHurgenson> remember, size of the archive is the number one priority!
[05:10:47] <chromas> exactly
[05:12:26] <paulej72> my compression algo first sorts all the bits by value then does the compression
[05:12:36] <chromas> fifty years is nothing compared to an extra 45 bytes off
[05:12:36] <SpallsHurgenson> too much work.
[05:12:48] <SpallsHurgenson> I just delete everything and then create a 0-byte file :)
[05:13:01] <Bytram> paulej72: sounds like that compresion algorithm might be a bit off
[05:13:04] <paulej72> I can get very good compression but it is very lossy
[05:18:55] <crutchy> chromas: and if you compress in the next 15 minutes you'll get a free sector of steak bytes
[05:19:21] <chromas> ooh
[05:20:13] <SpallsHurgenson> don't do it, it's a trick! it's free this time, but you'll be signed up for two new sectors every month at $19.99 apiece!
[05:20:35] <Bytram> heh. http://go.theregister.com
[05:20:36] <monopoly> Title: Chap builds rotary dial mobile phone • The Register
[05:20:50] <crutchy> but its worth it cos you get free access to our online advertising!
[05:21:06] <SpallsHurgenson> a rotary phone? why would you want a phone to rotate?
[05:21:22] <crutchy> if you're on a merry-go-round it could be usefu;
[05:21:57] <Bytram> crutchy: LOL!
[05:22:54] <Bytram> and take this one for a spin, or not: http://feedproxy.google.com
[05:22:55] <monopoly> Title: What would happen to you if the Earth stopped spinning? - CNET
[05:23:26] * SpallsHurgenson disagrees with Bytram; it wasn't that funny a comment. I only score him half a LOL. A "Lc", if you will
[05:23:32] <crutchy> good ol' vsauce
[05:23:45] <crutchy> some interesting stuff on his youtube channel
[05:24:14] <crutchy> SpallsHurgenson: i agree, and -1 cos i couldn't even type the 'l' properly at the end :-P
[05:24:57] <crutchy> i would score it 1/10 of a LOL... or |
[05:25:43] <SpallsHurgenson> see, now THAT is funny :)
[05:26:14] <Bytram> and at the 1% level, all you get is: .
[05:26:27] <Bytram> and a magnifying glass =)
[05:28:11] <SpallsHurgenson> wow, for prizes like that I'm willing to be un-funny too!
[05:29:07] <SpallsHurgenson> on a completely unrelated note, I think I should finally just break down and write a rule that that knocks every UTF8 email address directly into the spam bucket.
[05:30:23] <NCommander> Wow, I hurt
[05:30:27] * NCommander just walked another four miles
[05:30:51] <SpallsHurgenson> ciggy-run?
[05:31:02] <chromas> So I won't be able to send you mail from 👍@🌈.🚽?
[05:31:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Judge Oders DOJ to Hand Over FISA Court Opinions - http://sylnt.us - good-news-keeps-on-coming
[05:31:19] <chromas> NCommander needs a bike
[05:31:27] <chromas> recumbent trike
[05:32:16] <SpallsHurgenson> or a smaller neighborhood :)
[05:33:14] * crutchy is putting in some hard yards on the couch :-P
[05:33:48] <SpallsHurgenson> potato-chip curls to build up the upper-body :)
[05:33:51] <chromas> You have yards there?
[05:33:51] <NCommander> oders?
[05:34:03] <crutchy> each one of these cheese n bacon balls has to weigh at least a couple of grams
[05:34:05] <chromas> crutchy: s/yards/metre/
[05:34:15] <crutchy> we have acres too
[05:35:07] <crutchy> we're kinda stuck between europe and america somewhere so we have to learn both
[05:35:12] <chromas> acres are what you measure your lawn with
[05:35:20] <chromas> in Aus
[05:35:41] <crutchy> its also how we measure pain
[05:35:58] <chromas> You don't use megahurtz?
[05:36:21] <crutchy> haven't quite caught up with the rest of the world on that one
[05:36:31] * NCommander blinks
[05:36:37] <NCommander> someone wrote an essay on SN who wasn't me
[05:36:49] <crutchy> they need to be shot
[05:37:00] <chromas> no competition!
[05:37:03] <crutchy> and stabbed
[05:37:06] <SpallsHurgenson> are you sure it wasn't you? Have you been having any blackouts recently?
[05:37:12] <crutchy> and killed till they die from it
[05:38:23] <NCommander> http://soylentnews.org
[05:38:25] <monopoly> Title: SoylentNews Comments | How to Get Better Stories onto Soylent
[05:38:25] * NCommander lols
[05:38:36] <crutchy> yeah i read that one
[05:38:44] <crutchy> i commented too for once
[05:38:47] <crutchy> just ac
[05:38:53] <chromas> crutchy, no!
[05:39:03] <Bytram> I commented too, 3 times (I think)
[05:39:47] <crutchy> wholly carp a few more comments now. we clearly need more articles about writing articles!
[05:40:56] <chromas> How to write articles about article articles
[05:41:08] <chromas> the, of, etc
[05:41:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Judge Orders DOJ to Hand Over FISA Court Opinions - http://sylnt.us - good-news-keeps-on-coming
[05:41:21] <Bytram> correction, I only commented twice.
[05:41:30] <SpallsHurgenson> I'd submit more stories, but I'm too lazy to write the summaries :)
[05:41:43] <crutchy> mee too
[05:41:56] <Bytram> when talking about articles, I try to stick with "the" and "a".
[05:42:14] <crutchy> can i write a script to auto-submit from rss feeds?
[05:42:17] <SpallsHurgenson> <whack> bad joke, Bytram! No LOL for you!
[05:42:33] * NCommander whacks Bytram for that pun
[05:42:42] <Bytram> crutchy: I don't know, can you?
[05:42:51] <chromas> crutchy: don't use RSS feeds, though
[05:42:57] <crutchy> will slash kick me in the nuts?
[05:42:57] <Bytram> NCommander: parries the blow and redirects it to SpallsHurgenson
[05:43:09] <Bytram> !grab crutchy
[05:43:09] <Bender> Added quote 187
[05:43:10] <chromas> take the output of regurgitator-bot and use post it :D
[05:43:18] <SpallsHurgenson> Ah! A Smite! I've been smitten!
[05:43:31] <crutchy> a mighty smiteful smite it was too
[05:43:34] <NCommander> *fires a big old cannon filled with /. trolls at Bytram*
[05:43:39] <chromas> As long as there's no anti-smittenism
[05:43:54] <Bytram> ever smite a smurf?
[05:43:56] <Bytram> nograb
[05:44:01] <swiss> always smite a smurf
[05:44:45] <Bytram> they look kinda plush as if amde out of some kid-safe material... smite a nerf smurf
[05:44:56] * SpallsHurgenson still wants to know where nCommander went walking that was 4 miles away; there's nothing so interesting worth walking that far :)
[05:45:30] <NCommander> SpallsHurgenson, from Cambridge to Everett to get back to my hostel cause I hate riding the T
[05:45:47] * Bytram accepts NCommander's complements with grattitude. two-thirds of a pun is pee-ewe!
[05:45:50] * SpallsHurgenson nods in total understanding
[05:46:18] <NCommander> SpallsHurgenson, you live in the Boston area?
[05:46:25] <Bytram> NCommander: how many steps today?
[05:46:33] <NCommander> Bytram, 27k
[05:46:43] <Bytram> !woop
[05:46:43] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[05:46:52] <Bytram> step++
[05:46:52] <Bender> karma - step: 1
[05:46:54] <Bytram> step++
[05:46:54] <Bender> karma - step: 2
[05:46:55] <Bytram> step++
[05:46:55] <Bender> karma - step: 3
[05:46:55] <NCommander> step++
[05:46:55] <Bender> karma - step: 4
[05:47:03] <swiss> sr20det++
[05:47:03] <Bender> karma - sr20det: 18
[05:47:04] <NCommander> Bender has a long way to 10k steps
[05:47:11] <NCommander> world_domination++
[05:47:11] <Bender> karma - world_domination: 1
[05:47:16] <chromas> Is Suzanne Sommers stopping by?
[05:47:20] <swiss> counting++
[05:47:20] <Bender> karma - counting: 1
[05:47:20] <Bytram> NCommander: I think this might take a while to get to 27k! =)
[05:47:31] <Bytram> CountIng++
[05:47:31] <Bender> karma - counting: 2
[05:47:39] <NCommander> Bytram, I walk at least 10k a day almost every day
[05:48:05] <Bytram> NCommander: that's what I recall you'd said; was curious what the added milage did to your total. Good for you!
[05:48:07] <SpallsHurgenson> wow, that's a quarter of the way around the world!
[05:48:15] * Bytram would still have taken the T.
[05:48:37] <NCommander> Bytram, obviously you haven't lived in Boston and been subjected to the horrors of the orange line
[05:49:14] <arti> the orange line, is that like a tanning place?
[05:49:17] <Bytram> took the red line MANY a time... don't recall using the orange line, unless it was once or twice; nothing especially memorableif so.
[05:49:39] <Bytram> took the green line quite a few times, too.
[05:51:04] <Bytram> I was on foot, bike, or bus until I graduated from college; it was only then that I got my first car.
[05:51:06] * SpallsHurgenson likes riding subways...
[05:51:19] <SpallsHurgenson> trains and underground construction, what's not to like?
[05:51:22] <Bytram> powered transport >>> self-powered
[05:51:22] * arti gets a $5 footlong and adds a saddle
[05:51:43] <NCommander> SpallsHurgenson, I love subways, I just hate the MBTA
[05:51:53] <NCommander> SpallsHurgenson, I'm actually mulling doing the New York City Subway Challenge
[05:52:01] <NCommander> Ride the entire system on a single MetroCard fare
[05:52:13] <Bytram> NCommander: how much time do they allow for that?
[05:52:17] <SpallsHurgenson> just don't do it before the end of September
[05:52:19] <NCommander> Unlimited
[05:52:31] <NCommander> $2.50, ride all you want
[05:52:32] <SpallsHurgenson> or you will die in the furnaces they call the station
[05:52:36] <NCommander> Until you leave the system
[05:52:44] <NCommander> The MTA actually keeps a list of people that have done it
[05:52:44] <Bytram> and the challenge is?
[05:53:01] <arti> not to get mugged
[05:53:02] <NCommander> Bytram, stop at every station at every line in the subway system
[05:53:12] <NCommander> The record is 23 hours
[05:53:17] <arti> wow
[05:53:29] <SpallsHurgenson> more likely to get mugged in Boston :)
[05:53:36] <NCommander> (for reference: NYC has the largest 24/7 system in the world/5th largest in the world)
[05:53:45] <Bytram> oh. I get it, while you are doing it, you cannot leave the subway. no bed, bath, etc.
[05:53:45] <NCommander> with 732 miles of reveune trackage
[05:54:02] <NCommander> Bytram, pretty much, and only 97 out of 400-ish stations have restrooms
[05:54:06] <NCommander> Plan carefuly :-)
[05:54:07] * Bytram has some experience with the G line
[05:54:14] <NCommander> Bytram, ow. I'm sorry
[05:54:15] <Bytram> wear diapers
[05:54:23] <NCommander> Just don't piss on the third rail
[05:54:37] <Bytram> not so bad; met some nice people in Greenpoint
[05:54:39] <chromas> catheter; that way you can empty it on the go
[05:55:00] <Bytram> saw a different frequency distribution of the alphabet, too!
[05:55:17] <Bytram> chromas: you mean you can go when you go?
[05:55:22] <Bytram> ng
[05:55:55] <chromas> Yeah, just stoop down to 'tie your shoes' and let it slip under the seat or whatever
[05:57:00] <Bytram> hey, it's now almost tomorrow and the sun rises early this time of year... supposed to be a gorgeous day tomorrow and I'm toying with the idea of going to the beach. So, off to be with me.
[05:57:03] <Bytram> hope you all have a good night!
[05:57:19] <Bytram> watch out for that third rail.
[05:57:35] <Bytram> NCommander: http://feedproxy.google.com
[05:57:36] <monopoly> Title: Supreme Court to weigh in on violent threats on Facebook - CNET
[05:57:39] <chromas> g'nite, raily B
[05:58:04] <chromas> So does "under the L" refer to a train then?
[05:58:09] <chromas> (in Chicago)
[05:58:15] * Bytram hopes that's something we never have to concern ourselves with
[05:58:26] <Konomi> anyone here happent o have any idea if I put two wireless mice in close proximity (same brand and model) would it be an issue with interferance etc?
[05:58:40] <Bytram> chromas: in chicago, I believe it's known as the "el" as in short for "elevated train"
[05:58:46] <chromas> ah
[05:58:46] <Konomi> I wanna get another wireless mouse but these ones have no channel setting >.<
[05:58:55] <Bytram> how close is "close"
[05:58:56] <chromas> Konomi: get a bluetooth one
[05:59:02] <Konomi> like right next to each other
[05:59:06] <Konomi> same mouse pad ;p
[05:59:22] <chromas> what's a mouse pad?
[05:59:26] <Bytram> get one bluetooth, and one WiFi (2.4GHz)
[05:59:30] <Konomi> I was wondering if each mouse got their own serial number to make sure they don't interfer
[05:59:33] <Bytram> chromas: it's a flat for a mouse
[05:59:55] <crutchy> i worked in an orifice with wireless mouse. fun times :-P
[05:59:57] <SpallsHurgenson> I've got three logitech wireless mice sitting next to each other and they don't mind
[05:59:58] <chromas> actually I should get one; my mouse doesn't like some spots on my desk anymore
[06:00:22] <crutchy> wait till the guy in the next cubicle goes for a leak and recalibrate his mouse to your computer, and when he returns the fun begins :-)
[06:00:54] <SpallsHurgenson> I think they have some sort of identifing prefix so they don't interfere
[06:01:03] <crutchy> SpallsHurgenson: do they fight over the gnu/cheese?
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[06:01:26] <chromas> crutchy: have his mouse control my computer which is running a vnc session to his?
[06:01:38] <crutchy> lol
[06:01:56] <crutchy> does that mean he does your work too?
[06:02:02] <chromas> I hope so
[06:02:07] <chromas> and I get a raise for being smart
[06:02:13] <crutchy> smrt
[06:02:13] <Bytram> many years ago was taking a course. PS/2 Model 80's with serial mice with really LONG cables. Got in early on the last day and swapped mice at adjacent computers, but left them plugged in there they were originally. Class started. Took 'em nearly two minutes to figure out what was going on.
[06:02:14] <chromas> management
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[06:03:17] <Konomi> hmm apparently my current mouse is 2.4ghz
[06:03:28] <Konomi> http://download.microsoft.com
[06:03:29] <monopoly> Filetype: PDF document, version 1.5 (226 KiB)
[06:03:48] <chromas> ooh another extension to add
[06:04:44] <chromas> kind of don't like palemoon
[06:05:10] <chromas> won't embed the pdf; it wants to save it, but then there's no keyboard shortcut for openeing downloads?
[06:05:14] <Bytram> another day, a manager brought his kid to work. Boy was about 7 or 8 years old. We were in the middle of a major project push. A developer returned to his cube after a deep discussion with coworkers. Mouse wouldn't work. The mouse felt "strange", too. He turned it over and noticed the mouse ball was missing. The boy had taken it and last was seen bouncing it down the hallway.
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[06:05:52] <Bytram> It was now a eunuch mouse
[06:05:55] <chromas> Did he break any windows? Those things are heavy
[06:06:08] <arti> mouses with balls
[06:06:34] <arti> i haven't used once of those in ages, i don't miss cleaning the little wheels
[06:06:38] <Bytram> heavy? yes. Windows were fine... besides, we were using OS/2 at the time. :/
[06:07:10] <Bytram> yep, mice without balls are much better.
[06:07:18] <Bytram> okay, gtg get some shuteye.
[06:07:23] <Bytram> g'nite all!
[06:07:23] <arti> take care Bytram
[06:07:27] <chromas> I remember the tv ads for OS/2; seems like they were like the first Allegra ads
[06:07:28] <arti> i assumed this happened recently
[06:07:33] <Bytram> arti: You too!
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[06:07:52] <Bytram> arti: nah, about 20 years ago (give or take)
[06:08:09] <arti> 1994. 12 Inches of Snow
[06:08:30] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[06:08:31] <monopoly> Title: SNOW - 12 inches of snow ( full album ) - YouTube
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[06:14:41] <SpallsHurgenson> golly, it's a new day already
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[07:10:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - China Reveals Microsoft's Secret List of Android-killer Patents - http://sylnt.us - not-so-secret-now
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[07:31:14] <Subsentient> This is oc3an, the testbed aqu4bot.
[07:31:24] <Subsentient> And this is the new feature currently in testing.
[07:31:37] <Subsentient> @tail #soylent
[07:31:38] <oc3an> Unable to tail the log. Most likely the channel/user isn't logged.
[07:31:43] <Subsentient> @tail #soylent
[07:31:44] <oc3an> Unable to tail the log. Most likely the channel/user isn't logged.
[07:31:46] <Subsentient> @tail #Soylent
[07:31:46] <oc3an> Unable to tail the log. Most likely the channel/user isn't logged.
[07:31:54] <Subsentient> @tail ##aqu4bot
[07:31:54] <oc3an> [2014-06-17 05:13:27 UTC] (##aqu4bot) Subsentient: @tail ##aqu4bot
[07:31:55] <oc3an> [2014-06-17 05:28:05 UTC] <oc3an!aqu4bot@216.161.ghn.ql joined ##aqu4bot>
[07:31:55] <oc3an> [2014-06-17 05:28:05 UTC] <Topic for ##aqu4bot is "
[07:31:55] * oc3an derp
[07:31:56] <oc3an> [2014-06-17 05:28:05 UTC] <ChanServ sets mode +o oc3an on ##aqu4bot>
[07:31:57] <oc3an> [2014-06-17 05:28:10 UTC] (##aqu4bot) Subsentient: @tail ##aqu4bot
[07:31:58] <oc3an> [2014-06-17 05:29:55 UTC] <oc3an!aqu4bot@216.161.ghn.ql joined ##aqu4bot>
[07:31:59] <oc3an> [2014-06-17 05:29:55 UTC] <Topic for ##aqu4bot is "
[07:31:59] * oc3an derp
[07:31:59] <oc3an> [2014-06-17 05:29:55 UTC] <ChanServ sets mode +o oc3an on ##aqu4bot>
[07:32:00] <oc3an> [2014-06-17 05:30:10 UTC] (##aqu4bot) Subsentient: @tail ##aqu4bot
[07:32:01] <oc3an> [2014-06-17 05:31:00 UTC] (##aqu4bot) Subsentient: @join #soylent
[07:32:03] <oc3an> End of tail.
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[08:10:29] <Subsentient> $seen xlefay
[08:10:29] <aqu4> I last saw xlefay at 2014-05-03 00:39:51 UTC in #soylent. Their most recent message is " Order alone : 5"
[08:11:50] <mrcoolbp> = (
[08:12:26] <mrcoolbp> it's been over a week since I heard from him via email, I was really hoping to see him back here by now
[08:12:31] * mrcoolbp needs to go to bed
[08:12:35] <Subsentient> :^(
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[08:22:52] <arti> g'day
[08:28:44] <crutchy> g;day arti
[08:28:52] <crutchy> xchat took a dump on itself
[08:29:01] <arti> that takes skill
[08:29:07] <arti> either that or sitting upside down
[08:29:09] <crutchy> bot kept going though :-)
[08:29:18] <arti> is your bot running through xchat?
[08:29:43] <crutchy> nah its running in a screen terminal on my webserver now
[08:30:12] <crutchy> i'm all l33t n shit now with ssh and rsync n stuff
[08:30:47] * crutchy turns his hat backwards
[08:31:00] * JamesNZ knocks it off
[08:31:19] <chromas> yo yo yo, y'all gots ta be wearin' it locked style, dawgg
[08:31:57] <crutchy> chromas, just don't tell them what i tried with my rsync script that made me look like a doofus :-P
[08:32:04] <chromas> 'cause caps lock is cruise control for cool
[08:32:14] <arti> you reconsidered rsync?
[08:32:20] <arti> it's really not that difficult to setup
[08:32:36] <chromas> oh you mean the time you accidentally the whole soylent?
[08:32:39] * crutchy isn't implying that he tried it in reverse
[08:32:59] <crutchy> without changing the source and target
[08:34:32] <chromas> um
[08:34:43] <chromas> found this on FB for some reason: https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net
[08:35:01] <arti> nice
[08:35:06] <arti> be a sweet canvas
[08:35:08] <arti> print
[08:35:55] <arti> "captain, quitting you is illogical"
[08:36:06] <crutchy> almost as bad as neo and morpheus
[08:36:22] <arti> "what if i told you, i already had you"
[08:36:35] <crutchy> "this will feel... a little weird"
[08:36:42] <arti> hahaha
[08:37:05] <chromas> Did he pull Neo out or pull out of Neo?
[08:37:27] <arti> it's actually the same event
[08:37:32] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[08:37:33] <monopoly> Title: Honest Trailers - The Matrix - YouTube
[08:37:50] <chromas> I guess that's why he woke up sticky
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[08:39:56] <chromas> the music
[08:39:59] <chromas> lool
[08:40:29] <crutchy> i love the game of thrones honest trailer
[08:40:33] <crutchy> ... BEWBS!
[08:40:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Consumer SSD endurance experiment. All took 700 TB, 1 out of 6 PB done but some dead. - http://sylnt.us - write-right-rite
[08:42:36] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[08:42:37] <monopoly> Filetype: data (141 KiB)
[08:42:54] * chromas kickonopoly
[08:44:25] <crutchy> must be using the compression algo you were trying before
[08:44:49] <crutchy> squashed bewbs
[08:48:02] <chromas> f*cking c*ns*rs
[08:48:24] <ar> crutchy: this one? http://xkcd.com
[08:48:25] <monopoly> Title: xkcd: Margin
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[09:12:54] <crutchy> wb Subsentient
[09:13:04] <crutchy> coffee++
[09:13:04] <Bender> karma - coffee: 253
[09:20:19] <swiss> sr20det++
[09:20:19] <Bender> karma - sr20det: 19
[09:20:35] <crutchy> i kinda like arstechnica's moderation system
[09:20:43] <crutchy> + or -
[09:20:49] <crutchy> no need to figure out why
[09:20:58] <crutchy> and a nice big range
[09:21:11] <crutchy> -100 to +100 (assuming)
[09:21:59] <crutchy> and then i guess if it gets a lot of -ve and +ve it marks the comment as 'controversial'
[09:22:43] <crutchy> lots of +ve marked as 'reader fav'
[09:22:49] <arti> do the controversial posts get their own parade?
[09:23:13] <crutchy> only in NYC
[09:23:43] <crutchy> through the Valley of Penises... i mean canyon of heroes
[09:28:01] <crutchy> http://www.madmagazine.com
[09:28:02] <monopoly> Title: Canyon of Heroes | Mad Magazine
[09:30:56] <crutchy> lol
[09:30:57] <crutchy> http://blog.silive.com
[09:30:58] <monopoly> Title: Ticker-tape parade 'honor' is New York's oldest joke | SILive.com
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[10:11:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hospital Uses Executive Bonus Money to Give its Workers A Raise - http://sylnt.us - take-it-from-the-top
[10:19:54] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:19:54] <Bender> karma - coffee: 254
[10:20:36] <crutchy> ~time new york
[10:20:37] <exec> [Google] 4:20am Tuesday (EDT) - Time in New York, NY, USA
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[10:55:08] <crutchy> sedbot
[10:55:08] * SedBot is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[10:55:28] <crutchy> monopoly
[10:55:47] <crutchy> aqu4
[10:56:21] <crutchy> Loggie
[10:58:46] <Konomi> everything you say can and will be used against you
[11:25:07] <crutchy> ;-)
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[11:37:40] <crutchy> hi KonomiNetbook
[11:37:53] <KonomiNetbook> hi ;p
[11:37:54] <crutchy> (i'm a robot with a 10 minute delay :-P
[11:38:50] <KonomiNetbook> rand is your friend
[11:40:24] <crutchy> if i use that people might confuse me for a real person
[11:40:31] <KonomiNetbook> lol
[11:43:51] <crutchy> too many tim tams aren't good for robots :-/
[11:55:06] <Subsentient> derp
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[11:58:09] <crutchy> g'day Subsentient
[11:58:25] <Subsentient> $beer crutchy
[11:58:25] * aqu4 gives crutchy a cold can of beer
[11:58:41] <Subsentient> crutchy: new feature btw
[11:58:42] * crutchy offers Subsentient a tim tam
[11:58:46] <crutchy> ooh
[11:58:53] <Subsentient> $tail #Soylent 7
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[11:58:54] <aqu4> [2014-06-17 09:58:09 UTC] (#Soylent) crutchy: g'day Subsentient
[11:58:55] <aqu4> [2014-06-17 09:58:24 UTC] (#Soylent) Subsentient: $beer crutchy
[11:58:56] <aqu4> [2014-06-17 09:58:41 UTC] (#Soylent) Subsentient: crutchy: new feature btw
[11:58:56] <aqu4> [2014-06-17 09:58:42 UTC] (#Soylent) **crutchy offers Subsentient a tim tam**
[11:58:57] <aqu4> [2014-06-17 09:58:45 UTC] (#Soylent) crutchy: ooh
[11:58:58] <aqu4> [2014-06-17 09:58:52 UTC] (#Soylent) Subsentient: $tail #Soylent 7
[11:58:59] <aqu4> End of tail.
[11:59:10] <crutchy> log tail eh
[11:59:13] <Subsentient> yeh
[11:59:22] <crutchy> that's just weird
[11:59:25] <crutchy> lol
[11:59:38] <crutchy> i'm working on a script to scrape logs.sylnt.us right now :-P
[11:59:43] <crutchy> creepy
[11:59:48] <Subsentient> Doesn't use the tail command, it uses it's own mechanisms.
[12:00:02] <crutchy> super-c :-)
[12:00:12] <Subsentient> and since except for a couple problems aqu4bot can compile under Windows, we might be in business.
[12:00:33] <crutchy> does it scrape or tail its own log?
[12:01:12] * crutchy is very lazy and pilfers the hard work of other bots :-P
[12:01:23] <Subsentient> It locates the file in logs/whatever.txt and reads it into memory, then it counts the number of lines in the file, and jumps to the end minus the number of lines specified.
[12:01:30] <Subsentient> so it prints out the end of the file
[12:01:51] <crutchy> ah yeah so sort of replicates the shell tail
[12:02:01] <crutchy> except in irc
[12:03:09] <Subsentient> yeh
[12:03:16] <crutchy> what's the limit?
[12:03:21] <Subsentient> No limit.
[12:03:25] <crutchy> oh?
[12:03:27] <Subsentient> Just only admins can use it
[12:03:29] <Subsentient> try it
[12:03:33] <crutchy> ahh :-)
[12:03:49] <crutchy> $tail #soylent 2
[12:03:49] <aqu4> You must be an admin to do that.
[12:03:53] <crutchy> lol
[12:04:35] <crutchy> and it ignores its own input too so can't even trick with $sr
[12:04:41] <crutchy> :-P
[12:05:42] <crutchy> what does it do if you enter $tail #soylent -1
[12:05:44] <crutchy> ?
[12:05:56] <crutchy> does it predict the future?
[12:06:56] * crutchy really shouldn't eat any more tim tams
[12:07:10] * crutchy pushes the packet to Konomi
[12:07:16] <crutchy> keep them away from me
[12:07:27] <Konomi> nuuu
[12:07:28] <crutchy> evil bikkies
[12:07:32] <Subsentient> $ddg tim tam
[12:07:33] <aqu4> [1]: Title: Tim Tam A brand of chocolate biscuit made by the Australian food company Arnott's and available in... | URL: 12https://duckduckgo.com/Tim_Tam
[12:07:33] <monopoly> Title: Tim Tam at DuckDuckGo
[12:07:33] <aqu4> [2]: Title: Tim Tam (horse) An American thoroughbred racehorse. | URL: 12https://duckduckgo.com/Tim_Tam_(horse)
[12:07:34] <monopoly> Title: Tim Tam (horse) at DuckDuckGo
[12:07:34] <aqu4> [3]: Title: Tim Tam And The Turn-OnsAn American rock band from the 1960s. | URL: 12https://duckduckgo.com/Tim_Tam_And_The_Turn-Ons
[12:07:35] <monopoly> Title: Tim Tam And The Turn-Ons at DuckDuckGo
[12:07:35] <aqu4> End of results.
[12:09:13] <Konomi> they're a very nice almost entirely chocolate based cookie/biscuit in au Subsentient
[12:09:24] <Subsentient> Konomi: ahh
[12:09:36] <Konomi> they're sort of
[12:09:37] <Subsentient> I can't eat wheat so... dammit.
[12:10:30] <Konomi> https://en.wikipedia.org
[12:10:31] <monopoly> Title: Ferrero Rocher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[12:10:34] <Konomi> gluten allergy?
[12:10:36] <Konomi> that has to suck
[12:10:43] <Konomi> close to this in quality of chocolate
[12:12:48] <crutchy> they're still evil
[12:13:16] <Subsentient> Konomi: Wheat or gluten (dunno which) makes my OCD much worse. it's not a hand-washing OCD, it's a very painful, intense form of OCD that nearly drove me to suicide back in 2011.
[12:13:21] <Subsentient> That's why I can't eat it.
[12:13:34] <Subsentient> it's almost a different disorder.
[12:13:46] <Konomi> wow that's different still nasty
[12:13:58] <Konomi> you should test though cause if it's just wheat you'll be able to eat a lot of different things
[12:14:06] <Konomi> if it's gluten though you're scrreeeeeewwwwed
[12:14:28] <Subsentient> Well I already don't eat gluten or anything that contains it so....
[12:14:38] <crutchy> dubstep screwed :-P
[12:15:21] <Subsentient> Konomi: I can't just say 'I think I'll take a trip to hell today to see if it's still an inferno and if it will burn my flesh.'
[12:17:23] <Konomi> I actually have a bunch of mild allergies and where I live atm triggers them all the time
[12:17:29] <Konomi> so I can relate somewhat
[12:18:40] <Subsentient> :^)
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[12:19:42] <crutchy> rsync++
[12:19:42] <Bender> karma - rsync: 2
[12:19:52] <Subsentient> Forgot to say 'night all
[12:20:12] <Konomi> night ;p
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[12:20:29] <crutchy> err... night
[12:20:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:20:58] <Bender> karma - coffee: 255
[12:21:12] <Konomi> caffeine++
[12:21:12] <Bender> karma - caffeine: 9
[12:21:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> uh oh. coffee's bout to overflow
[12:21:56] <Konomi> no one stores their coffee in such a low value data type
[12:21:57] <Konomi> surely
[12:22:23] <crutchy> it's compressed
[12:22:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly right. new bot wouldn't use such an old mug.
[12:22:34] <crutchy> coffee++
[12:22:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 256
[12:22:39] <crutchy> ~time nyc
[12:22:41] <exec> [Google] 6:22am Tuesday (EDT) - Time in New York, NY, USA
[12:22:52] <crutchy> early riser TheMightyBuzzard?
[12:23:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[12:23:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~time dallas
[12:23:18] <exec> [Google] 5:23am Tuesday (CDT) - Time in Dallas, TX, USA
[12:25:06] <crutchy> yeah that's early
[12:25:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> used to get up whenever the hell i felt like it but i was on a schedule for a while now i can't sleep past 6 no matter how hard i try
[12:26:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> not quite ready to dive back into Data.pm yet though. need at least a cup of coffee in me first.
[12:29:01] <crutchy> my logs.sylnt.us scraper is slow as a wet week :-/
[12:29:13] <crutchy> might have to cache methinks
[12:31:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> the bottleneck downloading it or processing it?
[12:31:15] <crutchy> downloading
[12:31:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - TrueCrypt Site Encodes Warning about NSA Infiltration - http://sylnt.us - Paging-Dan-Brown
[12:31:34] <crutchy> haven't even got to processing yet. atm is just adds all lines to a big array
[12:31:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, cache. have to implement locking though
[12:32:01] <crutchy> locking?
[12:32:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> so you're not reading a partial download if you time it wrong
[12:33:01] <crutchy> err. i'm a bit confused sorry :-P
[12:33:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> just code it so if you query it at the same time it's downloading, you don't process a partial download.
[12:34:01] <crutchy> ah
[12:34:03] <crutchy> lol
[12:34:38] <crutchy> i'll prolly just make it so that it downloads today's log every time (not a biggie)
[12:34:44] <crutchy> only previous days will be cached
[12:34:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, nod nod
[13:26:26] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his chin
[13:32:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, lot of logic reworking having to happen removing all those vars
[13:38:13] <crutchy> in data.pm?
[13:38:57] <crutchy> if it were php i'd be there in a shot
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[13:39:08] <crutchy> i suck at perl
[13:39:15] <crutchy> hi Bytram|away
[13:39:48] <crutchy> logs.sylnt.us log caching script is getting there
[13:40:13] <crutchy> rsync is spoiling me :-P
[13:40:30] <Bytram|away> crutchy: greetings!
[13:40:44] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[13:45:33] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Good Morning!
[13:45:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin
[13:46:10] <Bytram> Would you believe that they just approved a new version of Unicode? There's a story about it on Ars
[13:46:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, saw that
[13:46:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> unconcerned as that is the problem of mozilla and font makers
[13:47:01] <Bytram> nice they did that BEFORE we rolled out our updates.
[13:47:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't change anything for us.
[13:47:40] <Bytram> agree, but only mostly. IIRC, they also updated concepts of capitalization for some chars, and some other stuff that I am undercaffienated to recall.
[13:48:21] <Bytram> OTOH, saw this discussion: http://stackoverflow.com
[13:48:22] <monopoly> Title: php - UTF-8 all the way through - Stack Overflow
[13:48:53] <Bytram> which suggests in the first Answer there may be some issues depending on version of what version of MySql we are running.
[13:49:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, ours is good. been checked.
[13:50:02] <Bytram> YAY!
[13:50:06] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[13:50:06] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 14
[13:50:17] * Bytram likes checks but prefers polka-dots
[13:50:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> already had it reading and writing unicode to the db. just going back and doing it properly this time instead of as a quick proof of concept hack.
[13:52:17] <Bytram> excellent!
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[13:53:36] <Bytram> one other thing from that Answer gave me pause. We generate HTML 4.01, so cannot take advantage of some of HTML 5's default behaviors.
[13:54:01] <Bytram> don't know if this applies to us as well, but rather have it explicitly decided than by default:
[13:54:04] <Bytram> From my reading of the current HTML spec, the following sub-bullets are not necessary or even valid anymore for modern HTML. My understanding is that browsers will work with and submit data in the character set specified for the document. However, if you're targeting older versions of HTML (XHTML, HTML4, etc.), these points may still be useful:
[13:54:05] <Bytram> For HTML before HTML5 only: you want all data sent to you by browsers to be in UTF-8. Unfortunately, if you go by the the only way to reliably do this is add the accept-charset attribute to all your <form> tags: <form ... accept-charset="UTF-8">.
[13:54:05] <Bytram> For HTML before HTML5 only: note that the W3C HTML spec says that clients "should" default to sending forms back to the server in whatever charset the server served, but this is apparently only a recommendation, hence the need for being explicit on every single <form> tag.
[13:54:21] <Bytram> <end of paste>
[13:54:44] <crutchy> how do you do that?
[13:54:49] <crutchy> in style tag?
[13:54:55] <Bytram> crutchy: do what?
[13:55:06] <crutchy> specify a char code for each form
[13:55:17] <crutchy> or have i got my wires crossed? (again)
[13:55:39] <Bytram> Umm, I'm not certain, but from what I pasted I see: <form ... accept-charset="UTF-8">
[13:55:58] <crutchy> lol oops didn't see that bit :-P
[13:56:19] <crutchy> wow didn't even know forms had that attribute
[13:56:49] <Bytram> =)
[13:58:45] <Bytram> (hand waving reply) I haven't looked, but I would *guess* it is one of those "universal" attributes that nearly every element seems to have.
[13:59:03] <crutchy> i've definitely seen it on other tags
[13:59:27] * crutchy wonders whether maybe he's seen it on form tags
[13:59:52] <crutchy> prolly didn't take much notice though
[14:00:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> it goes in the form tag
[14:01:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> already been done
[14:01:17] <Bytram> fwiw; here's a description from the Web Design Group's HTML element explanation for FORM:
[14:01:22] <Bytram> <start wall of text>
[14:01:26] <Bytram> <FORM>...</FORM>
[14:01:26] <Bytram> Attribute Specifications
[14:01:26] <Bytram> ACTION=URI (form handler)
[14:01:26] <Bytram> METHOD=[ get | post�] (HTTP method for submitting form)
[14:01:26] <Bytram> ENCTYPE=ContentType (content type to submit form as)
[14:01:28] <Bytram> ACCEPT-CHARSET=Charsets (supported character encodings)
[14:01:30] <Bytram> TARGET=FrameTarget (frame to render form result in)
[14:01:32] <Bytram> ONSUBMIT=Script (form was submitted)
[14:01:34] <Bytram> ONRESET=Script (form was reset)
[14:01:36] <Bytram> common attributes
[14:01:38] <Bytram> </end wall of text>
[14:02:11] <crutchy> ah i've seen it in headers
[14:02:34] <crutchy> /knew it was familiar from somewhere
[14:02:42] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Wonderful! Sounds like so far we've got al the bases covered.
[14:02:48] <Bytram> s/al/all/
[14:02:48] <SedBot> <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Wonderful! Sounds like so far we've got all the bases covered.
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[14:03:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> do still need to add that to the form on the fresh copy but not right now. busy cleaning up logic
[14:06:03] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Kewel. Will try to avoid questions (don't have any at the moment) to let you concentrate; let me know when you're open for interrupts, k?
[14:06:45] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard: ah so you're converting it to some other language eh :-P
[14:07:13] * crutchy ducks for cover
[14:07:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, feh, nothing else would work as well as perl.
[14:07:39] <crutchy> c?
[14:07:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> would take decades to code in c
[14:07:49] <crutchy> lol yeah
[14:07:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're talking.... sec...
[14:08:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, i can't bash enough to wc -l all the source files right now. in perl namespace in my brain.
[14:09:22] <crutchy> is that to work out no of lines? (excluding empties)
[14:09:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> buttload of lines of perl though which would mean 10 buttloads of c
[14:10:28] <crutchy> pity it doesn't have php's libs
[14:11:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll put cpan up against php libs any day of the week
[14:11:38] <crutchy> no doubt you're right
[14:12:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> in quantity at least. quality's another story on the less well maintained modules.
[14:12:59] <crutchy> caching of logs.sylnt.irc is pretty quick :-)
[14:13:24] <crutchy> s/caching/loading of cached files/
[14:13:24] <SedBot> <crutchy> loading of cached files of logs.sylnt.irc is pretty quick :-)
[14:13:55] <crutchy> just gotta sort out a bit more of the parsing side
[14:15:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... somewhere in here there needs to be logic to convert ascii chars in numeric notation to chars.
[14:16:32] <crutchy> as in A => 'A'?
[14:19:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[14:19:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll put it in approveCharref
[14:19:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyone putting ascii in as encoded is a wiseass
[14:20:35] <Bytram> Shouldn't that be handled by default by the code that handles all other numeric character entities?
[14:20:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Thyroid Cancer Rates among Children 40x Normal around Fukushima - http://sylnt.us - Nothing-Funny-to-Say
[14:20:59] <crutchy> something like chr(substr($val,2,3)) would be pretty close, no?
[14:21:21] <crutchy> or does unicode shit need different versions of chr?
[14:21:28] <Bytram> I cannot imagine the decimal value makes an iota of different whether it's translating "A" or "〹" It's still just convertg an ASCII string to a single code point.
[14:22:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> just return(chr $decimal) should work
[14:22:23] <crutchy> chr(substr($val,2,strlen($val)-3))
[14:22:28] <crutchy> ah
[14:22:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> gotta set the range though
[14:23:03] <Bytram> oh... you're looking at blacklist/whitelist stuff. should explicitly allow 32..127 (I would think)
[14:23:19] <Bytram> lemme check
[14:23:55] <crutchy> equiv of in_array(chr(substr($val,2,strlen($val)-3)),$whitelist_chars)
[14:24:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> space through ~ basically
[14:24:12] <Bytram> yup. btw, that's DECIMAL 32 - 127
[14:24:14] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:24:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh and cr/lf/tab too
[14:25:01] <crutchy> or could make whitelist a string and do a strpos
[14:25:02] <Bytram> for code points up to and including 127 decimal, ASCII === UTF-8, by *design*
[14:25:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, nah we process character by character
[14:25:59] <Bytram> My favorite character is Bugs Bunny
[14:26:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, know this but don't want wiseasses putting in A
[14:26:11] <Bytram> why not?
[14:26:20] <crutchy> party pooper :-P
[14:26:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause it annoys me
[14:26:52] <crutchy> ooh does that mean it will still appear on the site as A
[14:26:57] <Bytram> if they want to, let 'em; cannot see it causing any harm; it's valid; "be inclusive in what you accept; retrictive in what you emit"
[14:27:12] <crutchy> so i can write my journals encoded and it won't decode lol
[14:27:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, it would if i didn't convert it to a character
[14:28:39] * crutchy hasn't written a journal entry for a while :-/
[14:29:40] <crutchy> Bytram: what about if i wanna type hex encoded :-P
[14:29:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, shurg, i spose. could cause problems if i do anyway cause approveCharrefs gets called after a lot of other processing
[14:29:54] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I could imagine making a test driver that I just feed through a filter which emits the &#nnn; for each and every value in a source file (sort of like a hex dumper); with what you propose, I'd have to special-case what I emit even though it is valid and should behave like all other valid UTF-8 encoded decimal character entities.
[14:31:03] <Bytram> if it's some wacky RTL/LTR upside-down twisty whatever dangerous character; sure filter it out. Otherwise, I'd strongly recommend treating it as the valid character entity that it is.
[14:32:36] <crutchy> i wanna use upside-down question marks¿
[14:33:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> really very little valid reason to except that the place it should live to convert them to characters would be called after the bit that swaps < for <
[14:33:01] <Bytram> In fact, I've got some test data that covers decimal chars 1..255 as: (1) text, (2) character entity (if it exists; e.g. >), (3) Decimal character entity (&#nnn;), and (4) Hex character entity (&#xnnn;)
[14:33:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> which would make it possible to insert arbitrary html and even javascript.
[14:33:50] <crutchy> could always check out php's html_entity_decode
[14:34:00] <crutchy> and perl-erize it
[14:34:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, really don't care about test data being displayed exactly as it was put in. do care about logic and security though.
[14:34:30] <crutchy> even has a char encoding parameter
[14:34:42] <crutchy> (utf-8 by default)
[14:34:50] <Bytram> can you give an example of what you're trying to watch out for?
[14:35:03] <crutchy> http://www.php.net
[14:35:04] <monopoly> Title: PHP: html_entity_decode - Manual
[14:35:15] <Bytram> I'm kind of following you, but at a loss to picture a detailed example.
[14:35:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, A annoys me and wastes space in the db.
[14:36:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> converting an encoded string like a <script> tag would be bad though as this processing happens AFTER all the processing that strips out badness like that, so i can't do it.
[14:37:23] <Bytram> hrm....
[14:38:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> not gonna rearrange the logic to have approveCharrefs happen before approveTags and wind up breaking things that i then have to fix.
[14:38:43] <crutchy> can you pilfer anything from here: https://github.com
[14:39:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, it's all written already. i was just going to add more to it
[14:39:13] <crutchy> ah
[14:39:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> actually no, there's nothing in there that strips out characters _below_ the approved range.
[14:39:41] <Bytram> So, you're trying to avoid a variant of: <a href="<script> blah blah bah </script>" -- is that right?
[14:39:57] <crutchy> hmm looks like the file i linked is just a test file anyway
[14:40:17] <crutchy> the function will be in the repo somewhere, but anyway
[14:40:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, by abandoning my idea to convert entities to characters, yes.
[14:42:49] <Bytram> ugh. my brain is starting to spin trying to iterate through the problem space... I understand what you are aiming at, and I like the intended result.
[14:43:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, that was already the default
[14:43:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> my idea would have broken it
[14:43:38] <Bytram> we need to be able to display pretty much anything within <ecode> ... </ecode> elements.
[14:43:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> no we do not
[14:44:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> we don't support encode tags
[14:44:32] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: wait a minute, pull me outa the rabbit hole? what is it about your idea that would have broken it?
[14:45:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, the placement of my idea to convert ascii numeric refs to characters would have been _after_ all the checks that strip out things we don't want.
[14:45:58] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: not eNcode, ecode; see the comment form which contains: Allowed HTML
[14:45:59] <Bytram> <b> <i> <p> <br> <a> <ol> <ul> <li> <dl> <dt> <dd> <em> <strong> <tt> <blockquote> <div> <ecode>
[14:46:22] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: oh, that! I'm back with ya now.
[14:46:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[14:46:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> haven't even looked at the logic for that
[14:47:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> because i'm not changing it.
[14:47:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, think i'm done with data.pm
[14:47:51] * Bytram pities the poor fool who would try and understand two threads of conversation between two people who are discussing potentially recursive code injections exploits using any one or combination of 4 different character encoding mechanisms.
[14:48:16] <crutchy> makes you wonder what khyber did
[14:48:28] <Bytram> IOW: chat logs can be fun. =)
[14:50:36] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: so, your "not changing it" means... if I enter ">" in a comment text entry box (for example), what do I see when I [pre]view the comment?
[14:51:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> whatever character it is because your browser will display it like that
[14:51:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> in the edit pane though it will be >
[14:53:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you want it to show as > in the comment you need to make that an &#0062;
[14:53:44] <Bytram> so that sequence of 7 ASCII characters ">" will look like 7 ASCII chars in the edit pane, but when I preview, or after saving load the comment, I will see a single ascii character (which is the ASCII code point for the less-than symbol).
[14:54:10] <crutchy> this isn't anything to do with keymaps is it? as in if someone from japan was typing a comment
[14:54:15] <Bytram> s/after saving/(after saving)/
[14:54:15] <SedBot> <Bytram> so that sequence of 7 ASCII characters ">" will look like 7 ASCII chars in the edit pane, but when I preview, or (after saving) load the comment, I will see a single ascii character (which is the ASCII code point for the less-than symbol).
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[14:54:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> you will see it like that yes but in the html source of the page it will be >
[14:54:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> exactly like you told it to be
[14:54:54] <Bytram> crutchy: related, yes.
[14:55:25] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: huh. interesting! lemme think a bit.
[14:55:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> not exploitable, that
[14:55:44] <crutchy> if someone from japan types a kanji character on their kb they prolly want it to appear as kanji and not some &#nnnn; jibberish
[14:56:21] <crutchy> hmm actually it wouldn't anyway
[14:56:30] <crutchy> don't mind me :-P
[14:56:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, we default to unicode unchanged. the logic i'm working on now is if someone specifically puts in &#nnnn; entities.
[14:57:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> or if we have $constants->{utf8} set to 0 or unset
[14:57:11] <Woods> Crutchy: We never do.
[14:57:17] <crutchy> lol
[14:57:19] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: *offhand*, I don't see any security-related downside to storing it in the DB as ">". Wastes space, yeah, but so be it.
[14:57:21] <crutchy> hi woods :-)
[14:57:28] <Woods> Hi
[14:57:53] <crutchy> what will slash do if i type a unicode character in the comment editor?
[14:58:05] <crutchy> (like a japanese char)
[14:58:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> put that unicode character in the comment
[14:58:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> when i'm done anyway.
[14:58:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless see above re utf8 settings
[14:58:46] <crutchy> as a single character though, not converted to something else
[14:58:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> right
[14:58:56] <crutchy> ah cool
[14:59:03] <crutchy> doesn't it do that atm?
[14:59:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> no conversion if utf8==1
[14:59:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> no
[14:59:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> right now it should strip it out entirely
[14:59:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> on live
[14:59:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> on dev it should convert it to an entity
[14:59:59] <Bytram> nod nod.
[15:00:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> on my vm it should pass it straight through.
[15:00:15] <crutchy> but not when outputting to the editor (such as for journal editing)?
[15:00:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, no difference
[15:00:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> vm is end to end utf8 friendly with no conversion unless you set it to not be
[15:02:17] <crutchy> should post a story about this on /. when its done
[15:02:23] <crutchy> rub it in dice's face
[15:02:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> should post an in your face to rob malda on twitter too
[15:04:06] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: ISTM, leaving "&#nnnn;" as-is *is* the safest approach.
[15:04:07] <crutchy> maybe see if we can buy him some bacon flavored coffee to convince him to post the story for us
[15:04:44] <crutchy> a comment on slashdot from cmdrtaco will draw some attention
[15:04:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, he doesn't have any association with /. anymore
[15:04:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, right. misread.
[15:05:14] <Bytram> hey, if it weren't for the taco man, we wouldn't have this code to start from. And he did leave before /. went entirely dice-y
[15:05:46] <crutchy> maybe nc can bribe him with a sub-100 uid
[15:06:50] <crutchy> there is a cmdrtaco username already from memory
[15:06:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> easy to do. just change yours to something with five digits and add a new entry at your old uid for cmdrtaco
[15:07:15] <crutchy> mines a >100 uid
[15:07:31] * TheMightyBuzzard flaunts his 18
[15:07:37] <Bytram> UID 178 was assigned to CmdrTaco; but IIRC, was "blocked" from use in case one of the "founders" wanted it for themselves.
[15:07:49] <crutchy> lol mine is 179
[15:08:06] <crutchy> (i didn't create the 178 uid though)
[15:09:00] * crutchy is surprised that it took till 178 to get a cmdrtaco uid
[15:10:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay. calling data.pm done for now.
[15:11:38] <Blackmoore> mornin
[15:11:43] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[15:11:43] <Bender> karma - coffee: 257
[15:11:44] <Bytram> at the outset a few other names were protected from squatters, offhand I've got: 135=samzenpus, 137=timothy, 139=Soulskill
[15:11:48] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[15:11:48] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 15
[15:12:08] * Bytram needs a break, too. back in a bit.
[15:12:10] <Bytram> afk
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[15:12:27] <crutchy> g'day Blackmoore
[15:12:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin Blackmoore
[15:13:18] <crutchy> sort of got it extracted at least: http://irciv.us.to
[15:13:37] <crutchy> gotta strip the span tag
[15:14:23] <crutchy> then parse into timestamp,nick,msg arrays
[15:14:45] <crutchy> ah fuck still a </a> tag too'
[15:21:38] <crutchy> hehe i started mucking around with an irc bot on 6 march
[15:21:48] <crutchy> found the #test log :-P
[15:41:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, think that's mostly done....
[15:41:38] <paulej72> crutchy: upto 132 or so were all alpha testers from the freenode irc. I don’t think any of them would have tried it.
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[15:42:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... i need a clean copy of PullParser.pm
[15:42:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> will snag one off of dev
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[15:56:06] <crutchy> ~time melbourne
[15:56:08] <exec> [Google] 11:56pm Tuesday (EST) - Time in Melbourne VIC, Australia
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[16:02:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - #define subscriptions (or, "How we want to work for you!") - http://sylnt.us - not-expecting-pitchforks
[16:04:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> typo finding time
[16:05:55] <Bytram|afk> TheMightyBuzzard: hear, wood ewe wont sum have mien?
[16:05:59] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: can you make a quick story submission on dev. I need to check an issue with users that have spaces in their nics
[16:06:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, sure sure
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[16:08:08] <Bytram|afk> btw, who are our IRC master(s) these days? Are any of them around?
[16:08:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, there ya go
[16:09:34] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: can you do one without setting the url to anything please
[16:10:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure
[16:11:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, done
[16:12:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... having issues with the pretty code
[16:12:30] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: thanks and my fix is working
[16:12:38] <Bytram|afk> paulej72++
[16:12:38] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 24
[16:14:02] <paulej72> my automagical linkifying of the submitter did not work for users with spaces in their nick. I have fixed that issue. Luckily this only affected about 3% of our stories
[16:15:59] <Bytram|afk> paulej72: what you need is a switch with a "more magic" position on it: http://catb.org
[16:16:00] <monopoly> Title: A Story About ‘Magic'
[16:16:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, apparently the template didn't get updated
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[16:27:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, with utf8 set proper unicode appears to be working. with it set 0 though it's nuking entities rather than converting them.
[16:29:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, think i'll find the issue tomorrow
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[16:40:41] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: that is a LOT of progress... I really appreciate all your hard work and dedication!
[16:41:06] * Bytram can't wait to really take UTF-8 / Unicode for a spin!
[16:41:30] <crutchy> Bytram: havent seen most of the irc lords for a while. kobach drifts in and out though
[16:41:57] <crutchy> is xlefay still going ok?
[16:42:14] <Bytram> crutchy: thanks! happened to see mattie and he got me straightened out, so to speak/write/whatevah!
[16:42:15] <crutchy> bewbs++
[16:42:15] <Bender> karma - bewbs: 7
[16:42:46] <mattie_p> yeah, I might not have IRC skills, but I can sure do a "/msg Hostserv help" like the best of them
[16:42:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> still need to go through and set all the forms to accept-charset="UTF-8"
[16:43:04] <Bytram> that, and you have the power!
[16:43:07] <crutchy> hostserv?
[16:43:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to be annoying going through that many templates
[16:43:35] <crutchy> is that where the super cow powers are?
[16:43:42] <mattie_p> crutchy: hostserv sets the vhost for staff, so we need that.
[16:43:56] <mattie_p> also need nickserv and chanserv, it gets confusing a little
[16:44:02] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: are they stored in the DB or in perl code?
[16:44:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, both-ish
[16:44:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> change the file and the stored db copy changes too though
[16:44:37] <crutchy> i've got charybdis set up but haven't mucked around with services
[16:45:01] <LaminatorX> We should have UTF-8 happening just in time for the new Unicode 7. ;)
[16:45:22] <Bytram> would something like this help (untested; syntax from memory): find . -type f -name "*.pm" -exec grep -Hn "form" "{}" ;
[16:45:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> LaminatorX, that's browser/font maker prollems, not ours.
[16:45:32] <crutchy> woohoo unicode party... i'll bring the ĞŐØЙ
[16:45:49] <Bytram> crutchy: watch your mouth!
[16:46:01] <LaminatorX> Glad to hear. I kid, but I really am psyched that you cats are handling this.
[16:46:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, grep -rIHn '<form' . is easier
[16:46:30] <crutchy> is goon considered an insult?
[16:46:51] <crutchy> here its just a very (very) strong alcoholic beverage
[16:46:53] <Bytram> ah! yep; forgot about that variant... learned it the old-skool way 'bout 20 years ago.
[16:47:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[16:47:31] <Bytram> crutchy: with the charset I'm using, couldn't tell fer sure. 'pologies
[16:48:21] <crutchy> sorry about the mix up... it was a pretty bad joke anyway; -1 (misinterpretable)
[16:49:37] <Bytram> nw
[16:50:15] * Bytram offers a compiler to replace crutchy's mis-interpreter
[16:50:44] * crutchy uses phpoo
[16:51:06] <crutchy> s/u/abu/
[16:51:06] <SedBot> <crutchy> abuses phpoo
[16:51:47] * Bytram wonders if that is related to the UTF-8 pile-of-poo character?
[16:52:18] <Bytram> crutchy: see: http://www.fileformat.info
[16:52:19] <monopoly> Title: Unicode Character 'PILE OF POO' (U+1F4A9)
[16:54:34] <Bytram> stuff++
[16:54:34] <Bender> karma - stuff: 1
[16:54:37] <Bytram> ++stuff
[16:55:12] <Bytram> interesting choice of autoincrementation
[16:55:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... feeds are wonky
[16:55:30] <Bytram> I can post auto-increment, but cannot pre auto-increment
[16:55:37] <Bytram> feeds?
[16:56:20] <crutchy> atom/rss/both?
[16:56:31] <crutchy> lol wonky?
[16:56:43] <crutchy> that's different to borked i'm assuming?
[16:57:15] <crutchy> maybe we need to publish the Soylent Scale of Software Damage
[16:57:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> scratch that. having some encoding that doesn't need done being done
[16:58:14] <LaminatorX> Alice the Goon: https://www.youtube.com
[16:58:14] <monopoly> Title: Alice the Goon Loves Popeye - YouTube
[16:58:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> will have a look but dunno where it's being done.
[16:59:25] <crutchy> monopoly titles are handy for youtubes
[17:00:34] <crutchy> eck. 1am.
[17:00:47] <crutchy> might try to get some shuteye
[17:02:20] <crutchy> damn 6.15 alarm :-/
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[17:08:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, used all my mojo for the day up already looks like
[17:09:19] <Bytram> crutchy: g'day!
[17:09:32] <Bytram> crutchy: umm, oops. g'night.
[17:09:44] <Bytram> and it's time for me to get going, too.
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[17:10:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Protocol "HTTP with Accountability" Proposed - http://sylnt.us - Honor-System
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[17:13:55] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: you probably only need to update the forms that take text input.
[17:14:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, nod nod
[17:14:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> tomorrow though. brain's running on empty just now.
[17:14:54] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: which is probably about 2/3rds of them :)
[17:15:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, yeah
[17:15:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> easy nuff to find though
[17:15:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> could always just sed them all in place
[17:16:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly not the wisest approach though
[17:19:53] <Bytram|away> quick question: anyone know a quick-n-easy way to get a list of the URLs for the tabs that are open in FF (v 24.6.0)
[17:21:48] <paulej72> click on tab copy paste
[17:22:08] <paulej72> lunch tme
[17:23:03] <Bytram|away> yeah, but I got like 20 URLs I wanted to grab; hmm,, wait I think I wrote something to do that a long time ago.
[17:25:58] <Bytram|away> it's a kludge, but I'm all set.
[17:35:21] <Blackmoore> cya
[17:50:59] <Bytram|away> Hey! we scooped Ars! http://soylentnews.org vs http://feeds.arstechnica.com
[17:51:00] <monopoly> Title: SoylentNews | Consumer SSD endurance experiment. All took 700 TB, 1 out of 6 PB done but some dead.
[17:51:34] <Bytram|away> hmm, yo monopoly: http://feeds.arstechnica.com
[17:52:46] <Bytram|away> well we were out at 02:36am and they came out at 09:32am.
[17:52:54] <Bytram|away> gtg! c ya all later!
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[18:14:52] <xyzzyzyzzyx> hallo?
[18:15:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> heya
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[18:26:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, absolutely done for the day.
[18:42:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Legally Required Video Surveillance - http://sylnt.us - another-step-too-far
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[19:11:16] * NCommander waves
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[19:23:44] <bryan> http://pipedot.org
[19:23:45] <monopoly> Title: Card - Pipedot
[19:24:17] <bryan> chicken doesn't know the danger it's in
[19:31:10] <chromas> Oh, that's the kids' pet, Mrs Nugget
[19:34:07] <chromas> Card 54, where are you?
[19:35:07] * NCommander sighs
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[19:36:17] <Alberto> sip boys!!!
[19:36:35] * Alberto has his /64 ipv6 working! :D
[19:36:43] <bryan> you aren't irc'ing as root, are you?
[19:36:48] <Alberto> YES
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[19:36:58] <Alberto> Shoot me with everything pl0x
[19:37:14] <Jaruzel> non-root is for wimps.
[19:37:20] <Alberto> exactly! :P
[19:37:30] * Alberto is hardcore
[19:37:41] <Alberto> ipv6 & root
[19:38:23] <Jaruzel> what ever happened to IPv5?
[19:38:51] <Blackmoore> HI NCommander waves
[19:38:54] <Alberto> never existed
[19:39:33] <Alberto> was experimental on the 80's and died fast as arrived
[19:39:36] <bryan> IPv7 SEL
[19:39:41] <Blackmoore> May as well start up IPV8 at this rate.
[19:40:03] <Blackmoore> figure it will get adopted in five years.. and implemented in about 200
[19:40:58] <Jaruzel> wont stop people trying to convice you to upgrade all your cabling, y'know CAT6 = IPv6, CAT8 = IPv8 ;)
[19:41:17] <Jaruzel> "no sir, you can't have an IPv6 address until you've rewired to CAT6."
[19:41:22] <Alberto> Ipv6 is here and is just matter of time to see ipv4 dead
[19:42:01] * NCommander is dealing with a bit of "holy shit" on the subscriptions article
[19:42:19] <arti> lol
[19:43:46] <xyzzyzyzzyx> eh, NCommander?
[19:46:10] <Alberto> sup arti!
[19:46:15] <Alberto> sup Nc!
[19:46:42] <NCommander> xyzzyzyzzyx, just so many comments
[19:47:09] <xyzzyzyzzyx> we comment because we care. happy hugs
[19:48:46] <xyzzyzyzzyx> 'reveal funding needs, we will donate as needed' seems to be winning
[19:48:46] <mattie_p> bryan: great picture. Thanks!
[19:51:01] <Alberto> NCommander when to donate
[19:53:50] <arti> greetings alberto
[19:55:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> some very good ideas in the #define subscriptions comments
[19:55:53] <Alberto> arti, sup!
[19:56:05] <AndyTheAbsurd> I especially like that a lot of people are saying that early access to articles is a bad idea, since I agree with that.
[19:56:09] <arti> trying to animate some svg elements along a path
[19:56:37] <arti> is that similar to the red colored articles on /.?
[19:57:10] <AndyTheAbsurd> I've never seen a red article on /. so I don't know what it would mean
[19:59:20] <Alberto> well
[19:59:25] <Alberto> i like to idea in general
[19:59:33] <Alberto> but i prefer ads anyway
[19:59:53] <Alberto> or with a "opt-out" option. paid or not
[20:00:49] <Alberto> i may donate only to give a /kill on poutine
[20:00:57] <Alberto> 1 time/month
[20:05:25] <Jaruzel> hmm looking through the comments - it seems that the early access idea is effectively nixed.
[20:06:58] <Blackmoore> I'm not against early access.
[20:07:06] <Blackmoore> but it feels like totalfark.
[20:07:16] <Blackmoore> with less assholes
[20:11:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Pentagon is Trying to Make the Internet More Anonymous - http://sylnt.us - battle-of-the-Titans
[20:11:42] <Jaruzel> the Karma thing is interesting - surely there's a lot of us with top whack karma by now? would we all get 'Lite' subs by default ?
[20:12:56] <Jaruzel> speaking of Karma, a little Karma star next to usernames for people with max karma would be a cute feature.
[20:13:01] <arti> lol
[20:13:20] <mattie_p> not a star, we'd use a karma chameleon
[20:13:26] <arti> "it feels like totalfark, with less assholes"
[20:14:15] <Jaruzel> star/chameleon/boy-george... don't care. a mini budda - is there one of those in the new emojis?
[20:15:18] <mattie_p> no idea, but someone out there has done it, guaranteed
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[20:24:57] <NCommander> I think the point been made
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[20:34:32] <arti> this is so sad https://www.youtube.com
[20:34:33] <monopoly> Title: Dad: NJ threatens to take away son after pencil-twirling incident - YouTube
[20:39:27] <Woods> Honestly, the title just raises more questions.
[20:40:03] <arti> "Who are these people, where do they live?" "Is public shaming still viable?" "Who has Lexus-Nexus access?"
[20:40:58] <Woods> "Pencil-twirling incident" ...??? !!
[20:41:49] <Woods> Question marks and lightbulbs are floating above my head.
[20:47:22] <Blackmoore> Lord, please save us from your followers, and the goverment agencies who listen to them.
[20:48:26] <arti> nah the idiocy is secular
[20:49:05] <arti> i'm so glad i'm not going to school now
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[21:18:22] * NCommander is sitting down and getting into the subscriber perks page
[21:19:59] <mattie_p> enjoy!
[21:20:32] <NCommander> mattie_p, yeah
[21:31:03] <mattie_p> looks like most people want to donate for now, without bells and whistles
[21:35:29] <NCommander> mattie_p, yeah.
[21:35:34] <NCommander> mattie_p, not what I was expecting to be honest
[21:36:45] <LaminatorX> Perhaps the perks could be a-la-carte items for those who want them.
[21:41:37] <NCommander> LaminatorX, yeah, I'm going back to the drawing board on this
[21:50:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Do Data Centers Dream of Electric Sheep? Microsoft Announces Machine Learning Cloud - http://sylnt.us - what-can-we-use-it-for?
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[22:08:39] <NCommander> paulej72, how do you feel on enabling the topic filtering feature?
[22:09:01] <Blackmoore> NCommander: what you think about selling mugs and t-shirts?
[22:09:18] <NCommander> Blackmoore, its been brought up before, and I'm mostly for it
[22:09:42] <Blackmoore> sure - we'd need a graphic artist, and I would not expect we'd sell enough to float the site; but still.
[22:10:30] <Blackmoore> I'd love to have a SoylentNews Hockey jersey..
[22:11:20] <Bytram> Might I suggest the approach that GoG (I think) has where you donate what you feel it is worth to you; and add some kind of extra if you are above the average. Further they break it down, IIRC, by OS; windows, OS/X; Linux to inspire a little rivalry.
[22:11:56] <Blackmoore> http://www.topatoco.com I'd suggest these guys to make the shirts and what not.
[22:11:57] <monopoly> Title: TopatoCo: Welcome to TopatoCo!
[22:12:05] <Bytram> btw, I like swag, too. Prefereably with something to make it a collectible (like aving the year written/imbedded on/into it)
[22:12:46] <Bytram> s/aving/having/
[22:12:46] <SedBot> <Bytram> btw, I like swag, too. Prefereably with something to make it a collectible (like having the year written/imbedded on/into it)
[22:13:06] * Bytram is about ready for a nap and his typing shows it.
[22:20:53] <NCommander> Bytram, fun
[22:20:57] * NCommander is writing up another post
[22:21:20] <Bytram> NCommander: which one is fun?
[22:21:42] <NCommander> Bytram, lots of stuff
[22:21:53] * NCommander is trying not to speak too broadly for the staff, nor crusht he community in meta
[22:21:58] * Bytram cringes at the imminent arrival of so many words and wonders if that where they got the idea of a torrent?
[22:22:20] <Bytram> yuppers; take it all in. I'd suggest sleeping on it, too.
[22:22:58] <Bytram> I let the subconscious permutation generator go wild for a while and it's amazing what can pop out when I least expect it!
[22:28:40] <NCommander> Bytram, :-P!
[22:28:52] <Bytram> NCommander: What?
[22:29:01] <NCommander> I'm not THAT wordy
[22:29:01] <Bytram> nograb
[22:29:19] <NCommander> Yeash, I haven't even hit War and Peace in total word count
[22:29:31] <Bytram> whew! I just reread the last thing I wrote and, umm, blushed. thought it was THAT!
[22:30:43] <Bytram> NCommander: 'tis good to laugh; hanging around with these nerds, well, I haven't laughed so hard or often in years!
[22:31:03] <NCommander> Bytram, the scary thing is its rubbng off on the community
[22:31:16] <NCommander> Hugh got a essay posted to the site as well
[22:31:26] <Bytram> yep; I saw it.
[22:31:41] <Bytram> he used headers/hold to set off the wall-o-text, though; that helped.
[22:31:52] <Bytram> s/hold/bold/
[22:31:52] <SedBot> <Bytram> he used headers/bold to set off the wall-o-text, though; that helped.
[22:32:29] <NCommander> Bytram, http://soylentnews.org :-)
[22:32:30] <monopoly> Title: SoylentNews Comments | How to Get Better Stories onto Soylent
[22:33:33] <Bytram> It takes me a bit longer to get my thoughts to gel. And as I write, I sense I am missing a nuance that I wanted to convey. Or, that I am insinuating something unintentionally. So I rewrite. Several. Times. Before I've even finished the second paragraph!
[22:33:55] <NCommander> Bytram, I break keyboards and mrcoolbp as well
[22:34:09] <Bytram> NCommander: yes, I saw it. Had some useful suggestions. I made a couple comments on it, IIRC.
[22:34:24] <NCommander> Bytram, oh, I thought you had arrived after I did that :-)
[22:34:52] <Blackmoore> it's fine to take your time with it. you really can't implement anything until incoporation anyway
[22:35:00] * Bytram heads over to the far side of the room and starts pushing his piano to safety.
[22:35:31] <Bytram> me doesn't actually *have* a piano; but if he did, would want to protect it from someone who proclaims they break keyboards.
[22:36:52] <Blackmoore> bah.. bothched that response.
[22:37:07] <Blackmoore> (can't wait till we can edit our own posts)
[22:46:44] <Bytram> As for editting one's own post; HTML does provide the capability to do "<p>this is the <del>old</del><ins>new</ins> stuff</p>"
[22:50:25] <Blackmoore> yeah, but i hit submit, tis my own fault.
[22:53:09] <Bytram> Blackmoore: yeah, but part of the reason for blocking one from editing was the posibility of posting one thing; getting high karma,and then changing the contents 100%, just for the lulz or whatever. If the old stuff is still there, then whatever changes were made will be apparent.
[22:53:24] <Bytram> Blackmoore: and I still have the option of leaving it "as was".
[22:56:03] <Bytram> NCommander: Any idea how much storage space would it take to backup the entire current SN site and zip/compress/whatever it, so that it could be booted standalone?
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[22:58:52] <paulej72> Bytram: current db dumps are about 45Mb compressed
[22:59:37] <paulej72> I forget what the size of the VM is that you would need to run it.
[22:59:56] <NCommander> With dependencies, you need about 3-4 GIB of space
[23:00:15] <Bytram> so, for the time being, it looks like it would easily fit on a DVD or USB stick?
[23:01:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Unicode 7.0 introduces 2,834 New Characters, Including 250 Emoji - http://sylnt.us - We'll-get-right-on-that!
[23:03:39] <paulej72> NCommander: enabing topic fitering is OK with me. currently you can only disable 1/4 of the topics on prod
[23:06:08] <NCommander> paulej72, I think we can live with that
[23:06:10] <NCommander> Bytram, yeah
[23:06:32] <paulej72> NCommander: what is the name of that var again?
[23:10:23] <Bytram> NCommander: kewel!
[23:16:12] <paulej72> actually I was wrong it does allow for minimum of 1/4 to be selected
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[23:21:54] <qkontinuum> Hi everyone, just wanted to ask: Is there a bulletin board to discuss porposals? Or where would be the right location? (It's not a real feature request, just a configuration issue: I'd like to know if the expiration period for mod points was discussed anywhere.)
[23:24:29] <Blackmoore> we've discussed it in here qkontinuum - at least at one time or another
[23:25:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's here, the issue tracker on github, http://wiki.soylentnews.org on the wiki
[23:25:07] <monopoly> Title: Suggestions - SoylentNews
[23:27:00] <qkontinuum> Thanks, I will read that. I assumed that github (issue tracker on github) is more for new features, while my question was more a minor configuration detail. But the wiki page could be the entry point I was looking for :-)
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[23:33:59] <NCommander> paulej72, don't remember off hand, I'm going to have to check things
[23:34:12] <NCommander> damn, missed qkontinuum
[23:34:16] <paulej72> story_never_topic_allow
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[23:38:37] <Bytram> umm, am I going blind? I can't seem to find a pointer to our RSS feed on the main site. A quick search of SN and of the Wiki came up empty, too.
[23:42:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, bottom of the page
[23:43:58] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: ugh. It's an *image*! When I did a text search for "rss" on the page, it couldn't find it!
[23:44:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> har
[23:44:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're sneaky like that
[23:44:44] <Bytram> makes me wonder what shows up when viewed under a text-only browser like Lynx?
[23:44:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> is http://soylentnews.org or index.atom btw
[23:44:57] <monopoly> Title: SoylentNews
[23:48:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> think ima go be sociable n overcaffeinate myself. see you lot tomorrow.
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[23:49:10] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard|Out: have a good one!
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