#Soylent | Logs for 2014-06-16
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[00:01:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mantle Mineral Deep Uunderground May Contain a Lot of Water - http://sylnt.us - diamonds-are-forever
[00:10:32] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, ping?
[00:24:37] -!- Anon3 [Anon3!~Anon3___@109.246.ihu.prx] has parted #Soylent
[00:39:39] <PrincessRiikka> In other news, each of the bazillion or so sites I've had to create an account on to use has been or will be compromised in sequence. Brilliant, I love trying to think up new password schemes
[00:40:33] <chromas> rot13($current_pass)
[00:43:23] <PrincessRiikka> Also brilliant! Except now if you're among the people who may or may not now have access to one of my passwords, you'll know to try rot for my new ones :o :|
[00:44:12] <PrincessRiikka> I'm onto you! Trying to trick me, hah
[00:44:25] <chromas> I think there's one called rot84 or so
[00:44:44] <chromas> rotates through extra characters See? Nobody knows that one
[00:45:03] <juggs> That's true genius
[00:45:06] <PrincessRiikka> Oh yeah, very effective :P
[00:45:42] <NCommander> Anyone with modpoints around?
[00:45:46] <NCommander> http://soylentnews.org - mod up please
[00:45:47] <monopoly> Title: SoylentNews Comments | Researcher Traces 'Surveillance State' Beginnings to World War I
[00:45:48] * chromas %message%
[00:46:09] <juggs> Sorry, just used mine up a few minutes ago
[00:46:36] <chromas> Hah, I just upmodded EF's reply a bit ago
[00:46:56] <PrincessRiikka> Ohbytheway, Project Euler is down. Compromised :|
[00:47:13] <juggs> What is it when it is up??
[00:47:21] <NCommander> chromas, thanks :-)
[00:47:39] <chromas> About Project Euler What is Project Euler? Project Euler is a series of challenging mathematical/computer programming problems that will require more than just ...
[00:47:58] <chromas> But not anymore apparently
[00:49:04] <juggs> Sounds interesting.
[00:49:30] <PrincessRiikka> It's nice to have ideas for something to code, especially when learning a new language
[00:50:43] <chromas> Will there be a fork? Project Polar?
[00:50:54] <PrincessRiikka> I'm working on learning Scala now, did problem 11. Figured I'd compare to a C++ solution and realized as I was typing "int main" that I just really didn't want to screw with it :-\
[00:50:55] <NCommander> PrincessRiikka, BTW welcome, I haven't seen you here before
[00:51:08] <PrincessRiikka> Project Quaternion should be good. Insane, but good
[00:51:15] <PrincessRiikka> รถ/ NCommander
[00:52:07] <NCommander> I do find it depressing we see such a drop of traffic over the weekends :-/
[00:52:13] * NCommander notes it goes down by nearly a 1/3rd
[00:52:34] <PrincessRiikka> Weekends are when everyone should be free to be on IRC all day, I don't understand :-\
[00:52:39] <chromas> Probably goes up when people need to procrastinate
[00:52:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> how dare them bastards have lives?!
[00:52:57] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: s/ve lve/
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[00:52:59] <SedBot> chromas, did you know there's THREE slashes in a proper s/// command?
[00:53:09] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: s/ve /lve /
[00:53:10] <SedBot> <chramas> <TheMightyBuzzard> how dare them bastards halve lives?!
[00:53:17] <PrincessRiikka> Hahah
[00:53:34] <chromas> SedBot didn't taunt me
[00:53:35] * SedBot is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[00:53:48] <chromas> but is still broken in #test
[00:55:57] <NCommander> paulej72, ping?
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[02:00:19] <Tachyon> !curent-uid
[02:00:23] <Tachyon> !current-uid
[02:00:23] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4454, owned by Ken314
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[02:00:52] <arti> g'day
[02:01:17] SoyGuest65901 is now known as crutchy-
[02:01:30] <crutchy-> hi arti
[02:01:40] <arti> hello clone
[02:01:50] <crutchy-> lol
[02:02:11] <crutchy-> ask me something only crutchy would know :-p
[02:02:24] <crutchy-> i'm at the horsepiddle atm
[02:02:45] * crutchy- offers arti some horsepiddle donut
[02:02:52] <arti> horsepiddle
[02:03:21] <crutchy-> missus is having day surgery on her hand
[02:03:42] <arti> oh cool, did she do an epic fight with her father on bespin?
[02:03:54] <crutchy-> carpel tunel thingy
[02:04:02] <crutchy-> lol
[02:04:19] <arti> oh, fun
[02:04:52] <arti> i've had bouts with RSI in the past, got a bunch of ergo stuff and changed my behaviors, thankfully that helped out
[02:05:04] <crutchy-> i get to play the waiting (and eating donuts) game
[02:05:23] <crutchy-> ah. less masturbation. got it :-p
[02:05:50] <SpallsHurgenson> I got to wear an arm brace for a year and have everybody ask me repeatedly if I was going bowling
[02:05:58] <arti> indeed, but that's tennis elbow
[02:06:15] <arti> SpallsHurgenson: u going bowling???!?
[02:06:25] <SpallsHurgenson> ARGH!!!!11!!!!1!!one!!!
[02:07:11] <crutchy-> takes some big heavy balls to go bowling. you a braver man tban i
[02:07:50] <arti> it's alright, i prefer batting cages
[02:09:36] <SpallsHurgenson> b-b-b-bats! zoinks!
[02:10:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Top European Court to Rule on Obesity as a Disability - http://sylnt.us - a-big-problem
[02:11:02] <crutchy-> its ok spalls. at the end you get a kiss from princess bubblegum
[02:11:43] * SpallsHurgenson nods nervously and slowly backs away from crutchy
[02:12:22] <crutchy-> occasionally on wednesdays she'll throw in a free grope too :-p
[02:13:51] <crutchy-> might go back to waiting room. this canteen is getting rowdy. nurses listening to too much skrillex i think
[02:13:51] <juggs> nothing is ever free
[02:14:00] <arti> yes huh!
[02:14:11] <arti> how about those guys who pick up an STD in prison
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[02:32:24] <juggs> what about them?
[02:37:07] * SpallsHurgenson is only eating this giant bowl of ice-cream because he burnt the roof of his mouth eating greasy sausages; this ice-cream is MEDICINAL
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[02:38:11] <SpallsHurgenson> (I wonder if I can my insurance to pay for it)
[02:38:19] <crutchy-> mustve been too close to the antimatter core
[02:38:27] <juggs> I'm forever doing that tasting stuff that I'm cooking. By the time I come to serve it up my mouth is fecked and I can't taste i anymore :D
[02:38:39] <juggs> s/i /it /
[02:38:39] <SedBot> <juggs> I'm forever doing that tasting stuff that I'm cooking. By the time I come to serve it up my mouth is fecked and I can't taste it anymore :D
[02:39:27] <SpallsHurgenson> back off, this is MY ice-cream!
[02:39:32] * SpallsHurgenson never learned to share
[02:40:04] <juggs> Meh, my stomach is replete anyway.
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[03:00:13] <SpallsHurgenson> <sigh>
[03:00:27] <arti> Mouth takes 100 Burning Damage
[03:01:12] <SpallsHurgenson> cat goes outside to eat grass, but comes inside to vomit :(
[03:02:31] <arti> human goes out to eat with friends, comes home to bio.
[03:02:45] <SpallsHurgenson> bio?
[03:03:02] <arti> $biologial_function_here
[03:03:09] <SpallsHurgenson> oh wait, I think I understand, no need to add details
[03:04:12] <SpallsHurgenson> "That's not how you use the waterbowl, human!"
[03:05:49] <arti> http://giphy.com
[03:05:50] <monopoly> Title: Cat Animated GIF
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[03:07:47] <SpallsHurgenson> hehe, I could keep watching that for hours :)
[03:11:22] <NCommander> wow, no staff about :-/
[03:11:22] * NCommander prod mattie_p
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[03:26:54] <juggs> Well it is Sunday evening for most - perhaps they are having family time before the weekly grind commences again.
[03:27:09] <Ethanol-fueled> Today is Father's Day in America.
[03:28:06] <Ethanol-fueled> And a reminder that not actually being a father ROCKS :)
[03:28:34] <Ethanol-fueled> fatherhood--
[03:28:34] <Bender> karma - fatherhood: -1
[03:29:22] <Ethanol-fueled> It's nice to sit around in underwear all day, swilling beer and shitposting on Soylent News.
[03:30:09] <JamesNZ> That strikes me as rather pathetic...
[03:30:29] <Ethanol-fueled> JamesNZ - I'm just a pathetic, lazy motherfucking slob.
[03:31:00] <JamesNZ> Ethanol-fueled: So I see :P
[03:31:44] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm actually thinking of settling and knocking up a boring-but-stable woman I know.
[03:31:56] <arti> lol
[03:32:25] <Ethanol-fueled> It's not really the lack of free time or the money hassles, it's that America is becoming a shitty place to raise a kid - Common Core written by corporate interests with actual product placement,
[03:32:48] <juggs> Move then you lazy drunk slob :P
[03:32:57] <Ethanol-fueled> having an interest in science is considered "terrorism", a kid could be suspended or expelled for playing "cowboys and indians"
[03:33:45] <arti> bill nye the terrorist guy?
[03:33:49] <JamesNZ> Got an example for the interest-in-science-considered-terrorism thing?
[03:33:52] <Ethanol-fueled> Dodgeball, Bombardo, and Smear-the-Queer are not only owtlawed, but disappeared down the memory hole.
[03:34:08] <Ethanol-fueled> JamesNZ - remember chemistry sets?
[03:34:25] <arti> carlin called it
[03:34:29] <JamesNZ> Ethanol-fueled: All too vividly.
[03:35:08] <JamesNZ> Why?
[03:35:21] <Ethanol-fueled> 'Cuz they don't let kids play with those anymore.
[03:35:34] <Ethanol-fueled> Okay, so the whole "terrorism" thing was hyperbole...FOR NOW.
[03:35:41] <JamesNZ> Umm, you do know that chemistry is a *subset* of science, right?
[03:35:43] <juggs> Sadly the UK is headed (or has gone) the same way. I suspect NZ and Aus are not too far behind. I'm considering a move to Germany at the moment.
[03:35:43] <NCommander> pbnjoe, hey, I'm hoping to find some DF time this week
[03:35:44] <arti> http://www.hms-beagle.com
[03:35:45] <monopoly> Title: Welcome to H.M.S. Beagle - A Voyage of Science Discovery
[03:35:47] <arti> https://www.kickstarter.com
[03:35:49] <monopoly> Title: Heirloom Chemistry Set by John Farrell Kuhns — Kickstarter
[03:35:54] <arti> i want one
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[03:36:58] <Ethanol-fueled> hahaha, sodium hydroxide, sufuric acid. Like they'd sell that shit to kids in America.
[03:37:16] <Ethanol-fueled> American kids would probably try to drink everything for a buzz.
[03:37:55] <Ethanol-fueled> Dat Glassware Doh
[03:38:53] <AndyTheAbsurd> Ethanol-fueled: no, the terrorism thing wasn't really hyperbole, an interest in science really *does* get you arrested. http://www.huffingtonpost.com
[03:38:54] <monopoly> Title: Kiera Wilmot, 16, Arrested And Expelled For Explosive 'Science Experiment'
[03:39:32] <Ethanol-fueled> Oh yeah, there you go.
[03:39:34] <juggs> Was that the soda bottle rocket kerfuffle?
[03:39:40] <JamesNZ> Meh, so supervise the kids. FTFY.
[03:40:06] <arti> sience experiment
[03:40:20] <arti> science* isn't that where something was mixed in a bottle and tossed in a dumpster?
[03:40:23] <Ethanol-fueled> Andy, nice post. Forgot all about that.
[03:40:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> I have really good memory
[03:40:51] <AndyTheAbsurd> A lot of people mistake that for being smart.
[03:40:59] <arti> all the better to replay the failures with
[03:41:31] <Ethanol-fueled> well, if that's attributed to not being a dope-addict or alcoholic, that's pretty smart.
[03:41:47] <Ethanol-fueled> hahah
[03:42:26] <juggs> OK, I read it - soda bottle "bomb" rather than rocket. My memory isn't quite defunct yet, I remembered the gist of the story at least
[03:42:37] <arti> wow the comments on that story
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[03:43:06] <AndyTheAbsurd> I never read the comment
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[03:43:21] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'll never be able to restore my faith in humanity if I do
[03:43:24] <arti> "So if she were white would she receive the same treatment? I don't think so."
[03:43:32] <AndyTheAbsurd> (not that I had much faith in humanity to start with.)
[03:43:45] <crotchy> socceroos playing netherlands
[03:44:03] <crotchy> wonder when xlefay coming back
[03:44:11] <Ethanol-fueled> crotchy - WHO is playing netherlands?
[03:44:24] crotchy is now known as crutchy-
[03:44:27] <Ethanol-fueled> haha arti, that's right, forgot she was black.
[03:44:29] <crutchy-> straya
[03:44:50] <Ethanol-fueled> is your team mostly Blacks?
[03:45:22] <crutchy-> nah. most of them prolly arent aussie either :-/
[03:45:59] <crutchy-> football is a business. not a sport
[03:46:39] <Ethanol-fueled> There was a big expose in the New York times about corruption in Soccer.
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[03:47:45] <crutchy-> you call it soccer too? i thought if i mentioned soccer everyone would have nfi what i was on
[03:48:25] <Ethanol-fueled> Whoops, did that slip? Yeah, spot the American yank.
[03:49:18] <crutchy-> i guess in usa you ruled by a different football too
[03:49:29] <AndyTheAbsurd> IIRC "soccer" is slang for "association football" so most English-speaking places where it's called football would probably know what you meant.
[03:49:36] <crutchy-> football is aussie rules here
[03:49:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> And American "football" should really be called "handegg".
[03:49:54] <crutchy-> lol
[03:50:29] <Ethanol-fueled> We have handegg, wtih ridoculously stupid and numerous commercials to reinforce phoney manhood wtih Big Trucks, "Support the troops for freedom" announcements, and MicroSoft computers that even big dumb men can use.
[03:50:40] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, beat me to it.
[03:50:55] <crutchy-> aussie rules should really ne called "used to get beaten up in but now is governed by a bunch of pussies in suits"
[03:51:24] <Ethanol-fueled> australian rules football? Aw, that sucks, did they really pussify it?
[03:51:47] <chromas> Did they take the snakes off the field?
[03:52:41] <crutchy-> not many brawls nowadays
[03:52:49] <chromas> :(
[03:53:22] <Ethanol-fueled> That game was more badass than even American handegg.
[03:53:29] <Ethanol-fueled> Shit was raw as fucc, yo
[03:53:43] <crutchy-> too much money at stake if you punch a guy in the wrong place
[03:54:45] <crutchy-> yanks need to take all the armour off. they eluld have much more fun
[03:55:19] <crutchy-> pair of shorts and a singlet is all you need
[03:55:34] <chromas> No clothes
[03:55:44] <crutchy-> maybe a mouth guard if youre a pussy
[03:55:48] <crutchy-> lol
[03:55:51] <chromas> Keep those football-shaped balls out for playing with
[03:56:16] <chromas> s/.*/Did I say that out loud?/
[03:56:16] <SedBot> <chromas> Did I say that out loud?
[03:56:58] <crutchy-> feck this irc thing chews phone batt on 3g
[03:57:11] <chromas> No wifi?
[03:57:30] <pbnjoe> NCommander, that'd be cool
[03:57:39] <crutchy-> proly but it would be locked up
[03:58:00] <crutchy-> better conserve battery. cyas later
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[04:02:23] <SpallsHurgenson> ah... I see the problem: I'm an idiot
[04:04:36] <chromas> What'd you do now?
[04:05:43] <SpallsHurgenson> counting is hard :)
[04:07:21] <Ethanol-fueled> Ncommander, if you listenin', I saw your post about those downmods.
[04:08:01] <Ethanol-fueled> I replied again, but just to let you know, I didn't slam the poster because they linked to slashdot, I slammed slashdot because it redirected me to that fucking infernal beta page!
[04:11:52] <Ethanol-fueled> Spalls, you iterating through arrays or something?
[04:11:58] <Ethanol-fueled> pointer arithmetic?
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[04:18:10] <arti> well your summoning worked
[04:18:19] <Subsentient> ...
[04:18:22] <arti> [19:11] <Ethanol-fueled> Spalls, you iterating through arrays or something?
[04:18:22] <arti> [19:11] <Ethanol-fueled> pointer arithmetic?
[04:18:31] <arti> greetings sub
[04:18:41] * arti launches a twinky at Subsentient
[04:19:30] <Subsentient> arti: derp
[04:19:37] * Subsentient reads the logs
[04:21:24] <mrcool|work> BRB
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[04:52:19] <mrcoolbp> hmm, guess I lost power, missed a few hours backlog, anything interesting happen?
[04:54:24] <SpallsHurgenson> not except for when crutchy accidentally solved the Hadamard conjecture
[04:57:45] <mrcoolbp> pics or it didn't happen
[04:59:30] <SpallsHurgenson> geez, won't people even take a guy at his word anymore these days? :)
[04:59:38] <mrcoolbp> meh, alright
[05:00:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mantle Mineral Deep Underground May Contain a Lot of Water - http://sylnt.us - diamonds-are-forever
[05:01:31] <SpallsHurgenson> wasn't that the basis of a Stephen Baxter novel?
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[05:10:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Finally: Automatic Sliding Doors Get Star Trek Intelligence - http://sylnt.us - as-one-door-closes-so-does-another-one!
[05:14:31] <SpallsHurgenson> uh, those ever-so-smart Star Trek doors https://www.youtube.com
[05:14:31] <monopoly> Title: Star Trek Bloopers: Incidents with Doors - YouTube
[05:16:43] <Ethanol-fueled> Those were mexicans sliding those doors.
[05:19:03] <Ethanol-fueled> Hey, Pedro and Roberto, we need you to spray-paint a couple pieces of cardboard and then push them together with sticks when I say "Ale!"
[05:19:26] <SpallsHurgenson> oh golly, Ethanol-fueled has said something horribly racist and provactive. I must immediately rise up to this blatant and obvious attempt at trolling with a fierce diatribe.
[05:19:29] <SpallsHurgenson> or not.
[05:19:35] * SpallsHurgenson yawns
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[05:20:26] * juggs just looks on to the horizon
[05:21:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Deep Underground Mantle Minerals May Contain Lots of Water - http://sylnt.us - diamonds-are-forever
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[05:23:09] <Ethanol-fueled> Ooooh, burn! My mission is to amuse myself, not you.
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[05:25:06] <Ethanol-fueled> Actually, I'm gonna leave, cuz slow.
[05:25:11] <Ethanol-fueled> *Poof*\
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[05:48:14] <NCommander> !seen janirock
[05:48:49] <chromas> ~seen janrinok
[05:48:51] <chromas> !seen janrinok
[05:49:10] <chromas> well he was on earlier today
[05:49:51] <NCommander> Must have missed him
[05:49:55] <chromas> aqu4 might have $seen
[05:50:01] <chromas> it was hours ago
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[05:54:19] <chromas> Home, crutchy?
[05:54:40] <crutchy> yeah, just for a while
[05:54:49] <chromas> You could watch the logs from your phone
[05:55:00] <chromas> whip up a script to let you post from the web through exec
[05:55:00] <crutchy> will be couple of hours
[05:55:08] <crutchy> haha
[05:55:27] <crutchy> exec is dead atm
[05:55:45] <chromas> Needs to visit the botspital
[05:55:55] <crutchy> prolly
[05:56:09] <crutchy> for some reason scp stopped working
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[05:57:51] <chromas> seems like all the bots are getting sick. Must be a virc going around
[05:58:45] <juggs> must be whooping cough
[05:59:37] <chromas> Bender won't !seen janrinok, SedBot won't talk in #test, exec won't scp
[06:00:45] <juggs> yup the bots are ill. Not the bots writers didn't do it right, no no, not that. :D
[06:01:15] <chromas> bots be illin'
[06:02:32] <crutchy> what's weird is that it appears to work
[06:03:36] <juggs> or perhaps bots be chillin', not answering mindless trivia for a while. Kinda like that "I'll be fecked if I'm answering the boss's call at 11PM when I'm not on call" - they have become sentient
[06:03:38] <crutchy> cmd.php 100% 6159 6.0KB/s 00:00
[06:04:17] <juggs> crutchy, what is your measure of "appears to work" ?
[06:04:30] <crutchy> just the output of scp
[06:04:36] <crutchy> no errors
[06:04:53] <chromas> it has things scrolling on the screen and collects a paycheck, therefore it's working
[06:05:03] <crutchy> lol
[06:05:38] <chromas> Does sftp still work in the file manager?
[06:05:40] <juggs> I'm sure you'll fathom it out crutchy
[06:06:57] <crutchy> hmm works for just the one file
[06:08:16] <crutchy> ooh can go see wifey
[06:08:21] <crutchy> catch yas later
[06:08:25] <chromas> bye
[06:08:33] <juggs> you need permission for that?
[06:08:36] crutchy is now known as crutchy|afk
[06:08:42] <crutchy|afk> she at the hospital
[06:08:55] <chromas> crutchy: s/ey/i/
[06:09:01] <chromas> SedBot:
[06:09:01] * SedBot is a 53-line awk script, https://github.com
[06:09:14] <juggs> ahh sorry I'm not concentrating... hope the surgery went well
[06:09:20] <chromas> Screw you, SedBot, and you're nick tracking
[06:09:32] <chromas> s/'re/r/
[06:09:32] <SedBot> <chromas> Screw you, SedBot, and your nick tracking
[06:37:16] <NCommander> paulej72, on the "more code to delete from /code", I'm somewhat tempted to just dump almost all the access log crap in slashcode.
[06:47:05] <Popeidol> 'nick tracking' would be a great name for a kid
[06:51:02] <arti> 'cliff edge'
[06:53:49] <juggs> sounds like a porn star name
[06:53:57] <NCommander> youngest elig: uid 1336, created on 2014-02-18 16:42:17
[06:54:01] * NCommander hopes that code is broken
[06:57:13] <juggs> what is the "youngest elig"?
[06:57:27] <arti> for porn
[06:57:49] <arti> evidently uids below that are too young
[06:58:16] <arti> even though the newer ones are younger >.>
[06:59:06] * chromas notices Bender is doing VOs for booking.com/ ads
[06:59:24] <chromas> Bender/Steve Ballmer
[07:18:50] <juggs> I don't know anymore - was it some reference to 1337 being a craptastic ref to leet in some poor attempt to get down it the kids with their leet speek.
[07:19:01] <juggs> hehe
[07:19:16] <juggs> s/down it/down with/
[07:20:11] <juggs> pfft
[07:20:44] juggs is now known as juggs|afk
[07:22:44] <NCommander> juggs|afk, mod point elliability
[07:31:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Old Netflix Passwords Leaked Again - But Why? - http://sylnt.us - password1
[08:21:18] <chromas> Bender: s/(li)(ea)/\2\1/
[08:22:02] <chromas> Hmm.
[08:24:26] <chromas> Bender: s/(li)(ea)/\ea\i/
[08:24:50] <chromas> Oh well
[09:22:37] crutchy|afk is now known as crutchy
[09:22:58] <arti> quiet
[09:22:58] -!- exec [exec!~exec@709-27-2-01.cust.aussiebb.net] has joined #Soylent
[09:23:13] <crutchy> hi arti
[09:23:38] <crutchy> ~$spambot->activate();
[09:23:57] <crutchy> damn. haven't implemented that feature yet :-P
[09:24:53] <arti> hey man :)
[09:25:33] <crutchy> some some reason sftp decided to start working again
[09:25:43] <arti> well that's good
[09:25:52] <arti> sftp is pretty clunky tbh
[09:25:55] <crutchy> scp worked for 1 file
[09:26:05] <arti> tar that shit up then
[09:27:17] <crutchy> screen is working well
[09:27:33] <arti> i remember the first time i used it
[09:27:43] <arti> the blind trust
[09:27:51] <crutchy> i'm reluctant to get too much into any other servery shit like rsync
[09:28:16] <arti> what purpose are you using the sftp for?
[09:28:24] <arti> obviously to transfer files, but to what end?
[09:28:40] <crutchy> just for copying scripts from my laptop to the webserver where the bot is running
[09:29:04] <arti> you could go the lazy route and use dropbox :D
[09:29:11] <arti> it's spelled pretty close to dropbear
[09:29:31] <crutchy> haha funny you should mention that. i was seriously thinking about using that for my work app code
[09:29:51] <arti> srsly though, consider rsync
[09:29:58] <arti> it's basically a one liner
[09:30:07] <arti> i have my backups using that
[09:30:40] <crutchy> i had to write a conf file and a secret file and then i got to hash keys and i threw in the towel
[09:30:51] <arti> but if you're using it for work, this is the job of a code versioning system
[09:31:09] <crutchy> the app has its own version and build control
[09:31:32] <arti> crutchy, is the lappy usually online when you're doing this crap?
[09:31:44] <arti> you can go the whole chrome remote desktop route :D
[09:31:50] <crutchy> yeah that's what i'm using now
[09:31:54] <arti> saved my ass a few times
[09:32:02] <crutchy> debian vm
[09:32:07] <arti> nothing like being ~ 110km from the files
[09:32:13] <arti> "god. damn. it."
[09:32:13] <crutchy> lol
[09:32:38] <crutchy> in my case i'm about 8ft away from the server (from the couch to the desk in the next room)
[09:33:03] <crutchy> i hate servers
[09:33:30] <crutchy> i'd make a shitty sysadmin
[09:33:45] <crutchy> i'd prolly make an even shittier software engineer, but at least code is more fun
[09:33:46] <swiss> i hate people, i'd make horrible support
[09:34:55] <crutchy> one problem with the build control system for my work app is that i've kinda forgotten how it works and its not documented, but it kinda does its thing... one day it will prolly get stripped out
[09:34:58] <arti> crutchy, it's a lot to take at once, granted but you'll get the hang of it
[09:35:17] <arti> one thing i've learned from one of the engineers at work
[09:35:31] <arti> write notes to yourself that explain everything
[09:35:45] <arti> amazing when you come back to something you touch maybe 2-3 times a year
[09:37:08] <arti> simple stuff >.> usually you get the experience just after when you need it
[09:37:23] <arti> "oh, i'll remember this"
[09:37:34] <arti> "i'll have time to do this properly later"
[09:43:28] <crutchy> i assume i'll forget, but that's ok
[09:43:38] <crutchy> i get to refactor :-D
[09:45:36] <arti> depends on the task, it's rewarding improving a design
[09:45:53] <crutchy> actually it prolly only be a couple years till my work app is largely redundant
[09:47:37] <crutchy> its features/benefits are slowly being developed by CSC (developers of the Tedds software for engineers)
[09:48:07] <chromas> So they're taking you out of the loop?
[09:49:05] <crutchy> nah. we still use my software, but the CSC guys are showing us how to sort of do some of the things my app does with Tedds
[09:50:29] <crutchy> very slow and clunky atm but its early days for their Solve FEA
[09:50:56] <crutchy> we just looking forward to handballing liability :-P
[09:51:13] <chromas> No sir; you must enfeaturate your package and growthisize it until you're a competitor to CSC
[09:52:33] <crutchy> atm they're package (with a clunky macro) does about maybe 40 sections per min vs 20,000 odd (even with fucked mysql queries)
[09:52:42] <crutchy> they not a competitor yet
[09:53:04] <chromas> But they have 3d graphics on their site
[09:53:27] <crutchy> we mainly use tedds for the scratchpad feature in ms word
[09:54:13] <crutchy> their solve software has some cool features but its got a fair way to go before it can replace something like Strand7
[09:54:38] <crutchy> ^ the FEA package that prepares the data read in by our web app
[09:55:33] <chromas> 3d graphics
[09:56:10] <crutchy> chromas, http://www.strand7.com
[09:56:11] <monopoly> Title: Strand7 - Overview
[09:56:22] <chromas> oh I was on the /webnotes/ page
[09:56:34] * chromas clits link
[09:57:02] <crutchy> its windows, but so is everything else i have to use at work
[09:57:21] <chromas> So it calculates stress and stuff?
[09:58:23] <crutchy> our compliance app uses the load results data it calculates
[09:58:34] <crutchy> shear forces, bending moments, etc
[09:58:39] -!- pbnjoe has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[09:59:05] <crutchy> pretty pictures are just for reports
[09:59:19] <crutchy> and but is handy to work out where problem areas are too
[10:00:08] <chromas> For the gaphics I was just thinking of the web site. "They have shiny 3d, it must be good"
[10:00:10] <chromas> :D
[10:00:51] <crutchy> its very cool. its an engineering swiss army knife
[10:01:33] <crutchy> only thing it doesn't do is compliance, which is why we developed our little app
[10:01:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Backdoor Timber Grab, or Valid Fire Prevention? - http://sylnt.us - Regulatory-Capture
[10:02:05] <chromas> Bender: s/Timber/Jimmy/
[10:02:05] <SedBot> <chromas> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Backdoor Jimmy Grab, or Valid Fire Prevention? - http://sylnt.us - Regulatory-Capture
[10:02:58] <crutchy> Bender: s/Prevention/Sale/
[10:02:58] <SedBot> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Backdoor Timber Grab, or Valid Fire Sale? - http://sylnt.us - Regulatory-Capture
[10:03:32] <crutchy> where's bruce willis when you need him?
[10:03:37] <chromas> Bender: s/sylnt.us/beta.slashdot.org/
[10:03:37] <SedBot> <chromas> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Backdoor Timber Grab, or Valid Fire Prevention? - http://beta.slashdot.org - Regulatory-Capture
[10:03:38] <monopoly> Title: Slashdot: News for nerds, stuff that matters
[10:03:56] <chromas> oops, increased their hit count
[10:06:02] <crutchy> as long as you put in the headers that it came from a porn site its ok
[10:06:17] <crutchy> (can't remember the header)
[10:06:24] <chromas> referer
[10:06:30] <crutchy> yeah that :-P
[10:06:30] <chromas> [sic]
[10:06:41] <crutchy> haha yeah i read about that
[10:07:23] <crutchy> my kids are watching 'the regular show'
[10:07:32] <chromas> sic โ Latin for "the person before me was a dumbass"
[10:07:40] <crutchy> not quite as fucked up as adventure time but pretty bent
[10:07:42] <chromas> still haven't seen that
[10:08:35] <crutchy> adveture time is about as bent as i reckon regulators would allow before it was pushed into an adults only timeslot
[10:09:09] <arti> admit it, you love the drawing style
[10:09:11] <crutchy> hmm actually not quite... total dramarama is worse
[10:09:12] <chromas> Have you seen the "adult" Ren & Stimpy?
[10:09:32] <crutchy> haven't seen the regular ren and stimpy
[10:09:42] <crutchy> heard its pretty bad (good) though
[10:09:43] <arti> booger collections
[10:09:49] <arti> really
[10:09:56] <arti> dude, there's some gems in it
[10:10:00] <crutchy> booger collections aren't so bad
[10:10:16] <arti> especially when they're on the underside of furniture you sell to people
[10:10:20] <arti> a problem that goes away
[10:10:40] <crutchy> my kids have been watching 'total drama world tour' lately
[10:10:51] <crutchy> that is a fucked up kids show
[10:11:03] <chromas> is it in any way related to Total Drama Island?
[10:11:10] * Subsentient vomits into the back of crutchy's TV
[10:11:24] <arti> they're flat screens how
[10:11:28] <arti> -_-
[10:11:28] <crutchy> Subsentient: that pretty much sums up the show quite well
[10:11:40] <Subsentient> crutchy: lollllll
[10:11:43] <crutchy> we have a fat arse tv in the living room still
[10:11:45] <chromas> Therefore, Subsentient, you're just creating another episode
[10:12:22] <Subsentient> lol
[10:12:35] <Subsentient> crutchy: CRT tvs are awesome.
[10:12:47] <Subsentient> I am on a CRT monitor now.
[10:12:53] <Subsentient> Flat glass but still CRT
[10:12:58] <Subsentient> Incredibly good picture
[10:13:01] <Subsentient> running at 75Hz
[10:13:05] <arti> plus nobody will want to steal it
[10:13:39] <Subsentient> hurr
[10:13:54] <Subsentient> I have it currently on 'super 5x brightness'
[10:13:59] <Subsentient> try that with your flat panel!
[10:14:29] <arti> easy, drop some X
[10:14:51] <arti> does it go that bright so yo ucan use it outside?
[10:15:11] <Subsentient> It goes that bright so we're covered if the sun goes out.
[10:15:34] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[10:15:34] <monopoly> Title: Total Drama World Tour Episode 13 I See London... Part 1 - YouTube
[10:15:55] <chromas> so it is related
[10:16:33] <crutchy> i think our telly is flat, but fat
[10:17:04] <crutchy> it has built-in anti-theft
[10:17:35] <arti> did you swap the badges to say black&white?
[10:17:57] <crutchy> if anyone managed to steal it, they deserve to keep it
[10:18:22] <chromas> It would be cheaper to buy a new one than to pay for the fuel required to drive it away
[10:18:39] <crutchy> chromas: true
[10:19:23] <crutchy> fatso the fat arsed tv
[10:19:51] <chromas> At least it's got good colors
[10:19:55] <chromas> or colours
[10:21:13] <crutchy> i wanna get one of those new 4k wall size wrap around tellies, and the 32" lcd (also fat arsed, for an lcd) can go in the living room
[10:21:15] <arti> implying some colors aren't good :P
[10:21:30] <crutchy> baby-shit yellow
[10:21:36] <arti> "mustard"
[10:21:52] <crutchy> baby-shit green
[10:21:55] <crutchy> :-P
[10:21:58] <arti> olive
[10:22:02] <crutchy> lol
[10:22:16] <arti> and your favorite color, salmon
[10:22:49] <arti> new word: conspiranoia
[10:23:04] <crutchy> ~define conspiranoia
[10:23:06] <exec> [urbandictionary] Conspiranoia: A portmanteau of "conspiracy" and "paranoia", wherein one's paranoia is expressed through delusions of conspiracies.
[10:23:23] <crutchy> shit that was unexpected
[10:23:27] <chromas> $see combatserver
[10:23:33] <chromas> $seen combatserver
[10:23:45] <crutchy> $seen combat
[10:23:45] <aqu4> I'm afraid I don't remember anyone with the nick combat, sorry.
[10:23:59] <chromas> its been awhile
[10:24:05] <crutchy> the correct answer is "back in Nam"
[10:25:36] <crutchy> s/Nam/Endor/
[10:25:36] <SedBot> <crutchy> the correct answer is "back in Endor"
[10:27:39] <arti> i wonder how much is too much coconut water
[10:30:37] <crutchy> what's the monopoly say command?
[10:30:50] <arti> is it raw irc?
[10:30:54] <arti> PRIVMSG
[10:31:06] <crutchy> /say blah
[10:31:11] <arti> blah
[10:31:14] <chromas> /s
[10:31:19] <crutchy> /s blah
[10:31:19] <monopoly> blah
[10:31:54] <chromas> /r teehee rs$
[10:31:54] <monopoly> $sr eeheet
[10:32:08] <crutchy> ~say $sr ++eeffoc s/
[10:32:10] <exec> $sr ++eeffoc s/
[10:32:10] <aqu4> /s coffee++
[10:32:10] <monopoly> coffee++
[10:32:10] <Bender> karma - coffee: 247
[10:32:13] <arti> alright, going to read a bit
[10:32:18] <arti> take care gents
[10:32:23] <crutchy> see ya arti
[10:32:27] <chromas> bye sir
[10:32:45] * arti manifests twinkies
[10:32:49] <crutchy> i call it the four-bot ballad
[10:33:07] <crutchy> we don't have twinkies here :-(
[10:33:23] <chromas> /s crutchy: s/kie/kle/
[10:33:24] <monopoly> crutchy: s/kie/kle/
[10:33:24] <SedBot> <monopoly> <crutchy> we don't have twinkles here :-(
[10:33:51] <crutchy> hmm need to come up with a 5 bot ballad
[10:33:59] <crutchy> missing ciri and sedbot
[10:34:15] <crutchy> there is a say command for bender but i think you need privs
[10:34:29] <chromas> !decide toot ding
[10:34:38] <chromas> oh, ciri not found
[10:34:41] <crutchy> !say blah
[10:35:07] <crutchy> its raining quite a lot
[10:35:16] <Popeidol> I wonder if it's possible to get them in a permanent loop
[10:35:16] <crutchy> some might say its pissing down
[10:35:26] <crutchy> hmm might be
[10:35:27] <chromas> Feel free to send some our way
[10:35:32] <crutchy> exec is pretty dumb'
[10:35:45] <crutchy> monopoly has exec say privs
[10:36:01] <Popeidol> if you could get them looping, we could all just /part
[10:36:14] <chromas> /s ~say /s ~say $sr ih
[10:36:14] <monopoly> ~say /s ~say $sr ih
[10:36:15] <Popeidol> in the knowledge that we'd attained what we set out to accomplish
[10:36:16] <exec> /s ~say $sr ih
[10:36:16] <monopoly> ~say $sr ih
[10:36:18] <exec> $sr ih
[10:36:18] <aqu4> hi
[10:36:27] <crutchy> exec will bail with a ~part command
[10:36:38] <crutchy> only channel ~part won't work is #
[10:37:12] <crutchy> (just in case it does something naughty when i'm not here)
[10:37:28] <chromas> it was SedBotting yesterday or so
[10:37:32] <chromas> when SedBot was in
[10:37:37] <crutchy> here?
[10:37:42] <crutchy> or in #test
[10:38:33] <crutchy> i manually enabled it in #test cos sedbot was err... 'unwell' there
[10:39:08] <chromas> it was here, while you were at work or something
[10:40:00] <chromas> poor SedBot
[10:40:00] <crutchy> oh
[10:40:08] <crutchy> bad exec
[10:40:12] <crutchy> naughty bad exec
[10:40:21] <chromas> it's okay; I think it only happened a coupe times
[10:40:33] <crutchy> s/exec/zoot/
[10:40:33] <SedBot> <crutchy> naughty bad zoot
[10:40:43] <crutchy> hmm seems to be disabled atm at least
[10:41:02] <crutchy> i turned it on it #test cos SedBot still sick :-(
[10:41:22] <chromas> Well now that you have sshd running, you can bust out a pile of terms
[10:41:29] <chromas> tail -f and such
[10:41:50] <chromas> We need FoobarBazbot to stop by
[10:41:55] <crutchy> i have the bot screen on my laptop
[10:42:03] <chromas> cool
[10:42:04] <crutchy> can see wwhat's going on live now
[10:42:32] <crutchy> though mostly its just a bunch of useless jibberish
[10:43:33] <crutchy> still trying to get used to not scrolling up with the mouse wheel
[10:44:02] <chromas> doesn't work anymore?
[10:44:34] <crutchy> in screen it shows up a bunch of ~[[A thingys
[10:44:41] <chromas> ugh
[10:44:46] <crutchy> (same in tmux)
[10:45:09] <crutchy> have to use ctrl-a+esc to scroll (with arrow keys)
[10:45:29] <crutchy> i'll eventually get used to it
[10:45:45] <chromas> could skip screen for the tails
[10:46:44] <crutchy> the log is still output to http://irciv.us.to
[10:46:54] <chromas> new domain eh
[10:47:10] <crutchy> nah just the orriginal one
[10:47:24] <crutchy> its a freebie
[10:47:55] <chromas> sudo nmap -T5 irciv.us.to
[10:48:06] <chromas> :D
[11:11:02] <crutchy> ooh
[11:11:06] <crutchy> that's cool
[11:11:10] <crutchy> 22/tcp open ssh
[11:11:12] <crutchy> 80/tcp open http
[11:11:14] <crutchy> 111/tcp open rpcbind
[11:11:16] <crutchy> 2049/tcp open nfs
[11:11:38] <crutchy> ~define rpcbind
[11:11:45] <exec> rpcbind: unable to find definition
[11:11:54] <chromas> ~say $ddg rpcbind
[11:11:56] <exec> $ddg rpcbind
[11:11:57] <aqu4> No results found.
[11:13:11] <chromas> It says 22's open but I'm not getting a connection
[11:17:17] <chromas> aqu4: no results?
[11:17:55] <crutchy> try 119.18.0.66
[11:19:20] <chromas> nope
[11:19:20] <crutchy> need to change your nick to trinity
[11:19:28] <chromas> but is says it's filtered here
[11:20:00] <chromas> so no sshing until I find a hole in exec :D
[11:20:37] <chromas> ~get-source //192.168.100.1
[11:21:12] <chromas> /r $sr ~get-source //192.168.100.1
[11:21:12] <monopoly> 1.001.861.291// ecruos-teg~ rs$
[11:21:15] <chromas> derp
[11:21:25] <chromas> /r ~get-source //192.168.100.1 rs$
[11:21:25] <monopoly> $sr 1.001.861.291// ecruos-teg~
[11:21:42] <chromas> /r ~get-source //192.168.100.1 rs$ yas~
[11:21:42] <monopoly> ~say $sr 1.001.861.291// ecruos-teg~
[11:21:44] <exec> $sr 1.001.861.291// ecruos-teg~
[11:21:44] <aqu4> ~get-source //192.168.100.1
[11:33:48] <crutchy> filtered?
[11:34:30] <chromas> firewall blocking
[11:34:32] <crutchy> there's prolly a bunch of holes in my server config and my buttface bot
[11:34:39] <crutchy> i suck at servers
[11:34:43] <crutchy> ah
[11:34:48] <crutchy> that's prolly the router
[11:35:02] <crutchy> no forwarding of port 22
[11:35:17] <chromas> Since you're lan-side, it probably doesn't block for you, even if you're using the pubic address
[11:36:49] <crutchy> aw fuck. sftp chucked a wobbly again :-/
[11:37:08] <chromas> Yo'ure sure it's still sftp and not ftps right? :D
[11:37:23] <chromas> ftps = no
[11:37:28] <crutchy> Could not display "sftp://jared@192.168.0.21/".
[11:37:58] <chromas> s/ftps/gnome/
[11:37:58] <SedBot> <chromas> gnome = no
[11:39:15] <crutchy> gnome3: "hmm it's been a while since the user tried to access this folder... he must have clicked on the wrong one now... ACCESS DENIED!!!!"
[11:39:51] <crutchy> can ssh on a terminal though
[11:40:32] <chromas> You could try filezilla or some other file manager
[11:42:03] <chromas> or kde :D
[12:02:49] <crutchy> coffee++
[12:02:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 248
[12:03:02] <crutchy> hmm i should get some
[12:03:19] <crutchy> meh. requires getting off the couch
[12:03:30] <chromas> sudo nmap -sP 192.168.0.0/24
[12:03:36] <chromas> Then ssh into the coffee machine
[12:03:41] <crutchy> lol
[12:04:29] <crutchy> ssh coffee@kitchen --fill cup --sugar 2 --milk
[12:05:33] <crutchy> scp kitchen:/coffee/cup /crutchy
[12:05:51] <chromas> rsync has the same syntax there
[12:05:54] <chromas> better give it a go
[12:11:47] <crutchy> i set up an /etc/rsyncd.conf file
[12:12:11] <chromas> NEver done that
[12:12:17] <crutchy> oh?
[12:12:39] * crutchy gets the feeling he's making more work for himself
[12:13:10] <crutchy> how does the server listen for an rsync request?
[12:13:22] * crutchy googles
[12:13:36] <chromas> I assumed it was pre-setup
[12:13:53] <chromas> though I haven't done it with debian-based distros so who knows
[12:15:07] <chromas> I think it connects to the sshd
[12:16:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:16:01] <Bender> karma - coffee: 249
[12:16:09] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard would know
[12:16:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> wut?
[12:16:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, yeah defaults to ssh
[12:16:30] <chromas> rsyncd. I don't remember ever setting it up; just worked
[12:16:58] <crutchy> setting up a ssh key now
[12:17:13] <chromas> that was also automatic
[12:17:34] <chromas> probably something in the service script; never bothered to check
[12:17:43] <chromas> I just remember it does it on the first start
[12:17:46] <stdhell> rsyncd has its own server. You would use :: to use it.
[12:18:21] <stdhell> E.g. rsync cdimage.debian.org::debian-cd/...
[12:18:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i don't even have rsyncd enabled
[12:19:27] <stdhell> I had it enabled back when I was running a debian (+ a bunch of other stuff) mirror.
[12:20:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> would make sense then, yeah
[12:20:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> for a desktop box it's generally more work than is strictly necessary for little gain
[12:21:44] <stdhell> Yeah, if you already have ssh up and running or if you want the transfers to be encrypted, there's no need for the rsyncd.
[12:22:21] <crutchy> scp is good, but seems a bit flakey the way i'm using it
[12:22:39] <crutchy> scp -r /nas/server/git/test/scripts/ jared@192.168.0.21:/var/include/vhosts/irciv.us.to/inc/scripts/
[12:22:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> so just use rsync over ssh
[12:22:59] <chromas> rsync++
[12:22:59] <Bender> karma - rsync: 1
[12:23:11] <crutchy> in same way as scp?
[12:23:23] * crutchy tries
[12:23:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> rsync -av foo@bar.com:/home/doofus/pr0n/ ./
[12:23:31] <crutchy> lol
[12:23:33] <stdhell> rsync -HPSavx foo/ bar@baz:qux/
[12:24:21] <stdhell> -av is probably enough in most cases.
[12:24:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, your rsync-fu is showing
[12:25:08] <stdhell> Hardlinks, Progress/Partial, Sparse files and stay on one filesystem is just the option I'm used to adding.
[12:27:28] <crutchy> ooh
[12:27:30] <crutchy> worked
[12:27:33] <crutchy> and without password
[12:27:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> ssh passwords is for the weak
[12:28:02] <crutchy> the key must be doing its shit
[12:29:18] <crutchy> fuck there's a bucket load of options
[12:29:29] <crutchy> is there an -r equiv for recurse?
[12:29:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> -av takes care of that
[12:29:52] <crutchy> lol its 0r
[12:29:59] <crutchy> s/0r/-r/
[12:29:59] <SedBot> <crutchy> lol its -r
[12:30:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> well -a does.
[12:30:04] <crutchy> oh
[12:30:17] <chromas> a gets you several options, including r
[12:30:23] <crutchy> ah yeah
[12:30:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:30:32] <crutchy> cool
[12:30:47] <crutchy> will tweak my shell script to use rsync instead of scp
[12:30:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> and generally they're the ones you want
[12:30:54] * chromas is learning at the same time; haven't actually used any of the options before
[12:31:15] <crutchy> and will fuck off /etc/rsyncd.conf on server
[12:31:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Higgs Boson Scientists are Knighted - http://sylnt.us - She-Knighted-Me-with-Science
[12:32:00] <chromas> Once a king, always a king; once a knight is enough
[12:33:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, she's gettin kinda up there in years to be holding a sword by someone's head
[12:33:42] <crutchy> hee hee ssh with no password prompt
[12:33:49] <crutchy> very cool
[12:34:47] <crutchy> chromas, now you just need to find the holes in exec and dig out my ssh key and you're into the server
[12:34:52] <crutchy> :-P
[12:35:28] <crutchy> where you'll find heaps of... err... hmm
[12:35:32] <crutchy> not much
[12:35:38] <chromas> heaps of access to the lan
[12:35:44] <crutchy> lol actually not
[12:35:56] <crutchy> server is in a dmz
[12:36:22] <chromas> one step at a time
[12:36:28] <chromas> s/ime/iem/
[12:36:28] <SedBot> <chromas> one step at a tiem
[12:36:56] <crutchy> if exec was running on my loptap it could give you access to the lan
[12:37:32] <crutchy> not that my lan is really worth hacking
[12:37:51] <chromas> I can ssh into coffee and suto init 0
[12:38:01] <crutchy> gathp!!
[12:38:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> you think that until someone encrypts your shit and wants $300 to decrypt it
[12:38:29] * crutchy installs additional 10 nats
[12:38:40] <chromas> Don't forget seven proxies
[12:39:00] <crutchy> ^just for the coffee machine
[12:39:09] <chromas> ~say $ddg behind 7 proxies
[12:39:11] <exec> $ddg behind 7 proxies
[12:39:11] <aqu4> No results found.
[12:39:22] * chromas wonders how aqu4 picks the results
[12:39:38] <crutchy> it ddigs?
[12:40:10] <chromas> it says no results when there are
[12:40:11] <Subsentient> chromas: it uses duckduckgo's instant answers API, but duckduckgo can't provide 'real' search results.
[12:40:21] <chromas> ah
[12:40:47] * TheMightyBuzzard nods to Subsentient
[12:40:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> more like sucksuckno
[12:41:02] <crutchy> duckduckstop
[12:41:25] <crutchy> should use spoogel
[12:41:30] <Subsentient> I get very decent results from it
[12:41:39] <Subsentient> They then added image and video search
[12:41:44] <Subsentient> that made my day
[12:41:51] <crutchy> then they turn evil
[12:41:57] <chromas> Subsentient: maybe add a page scraping module for aqu4? :D
[12:42:06] <crutchy> altavista++
[12:42:06] <Bender> karma - altavista: 1
[12:42:21] <Subsentient> chromas: perhaps, but if the format changes (and it will) then I have a compiled binary that can't do it's job.
[12:42:42] <chromas> Make it a plug-in
[12:42:49] <chromas> or only fire when no results
[12:43:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, compiled binary for web jiggery? why would you do this?
[12:43:13] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: for aqu4
[12:43:15] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: aqu4 is written in pure C
[12:43:19] <Subsentient> $help
[12:43:19] <aqu4> Hi, I'm aqu4bot, version "baking", running on UNIX. I'm a bot written in pure C by Subsentient [http://universe2.us/]. My source code can be found at "http://github.com/Subsentient/aqu4bot/". Try the 'commands' command to get a list of what I can do, or try 'help cmd' where 'cmd' is a particular command.
[12:43:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> gah
[12:43:35] <Subsentient> Makes her very fast, and it makes her efficient on memory, but it comes at that cost.
[12:43:41] <chromas> aqu4: s/NIX/nix/
[12:43:41] <SedBot> <chromas> <aqu4> Hi, I'm aqu4bot, version "baking", running on Unix. I'm a bot written in pure C by Subsentient [http://universe2.us/]. My source code can be found at "http://github.com/Subsentient/aqu4bot/". Try the 'commands' command to get a list of what I can do, or try 'help cmd' where 'cmd' is a particular command.
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[12:43:59] <Subsentient> $burrito chromas
[12:43:59] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at chromas
[12:44:17] <Subsentient> $title universe2.us
[12:44:17] <aqu4> Title for page universe2.us: "Universe 2"
[12:44:18] * chromas accepts this authentic Mexican burrito
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[12:44:40] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: it generally worked out well. She's got some rather advanced features.
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[12:44:56] * crutchy prefers phpoo for any web-jiggery-pokery
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[12:45:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> right but geez man, that's a whole lot more dev work, which is time, which is money.
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[12:45:59] <crutchy> hmm bit of a ping-purge there
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[12:48:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> course here's me doing plenty of dev work for nothing as i say that
[12:48:41] <chromas> You could rewrite slashd in c
[12:49:56] <stdhell> Why stop there? asm...
[12:50:03] <crutchy> i'm a purely pro bono developer, though i prolly wouldn't call my work 'professional'
[12:50:43] <crutchy> more like "here's something for nothing... mwahahahaha!!!! suckers"
[12:52:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm a professional sysadmin who occasionally does a bit of pro perl dev when really necessary
[12:55:00] <crutchy> i'm a l33t sysadmin now... i just learned rsync :-p
[12:55:19] * crutchy still ates servers
[12:55:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> rsync is a damned handy tool
[12:55:37] <crutchy> s/ates/oh fuck that aint gonnu work :-/
[12:55:37] <SedBot> <crutchy> still oh fuck that aint gonnu work :- servers
[12:55:56] <crutchy> ooh did that work?
[12:56:15] <stdhell> Sort of...
[12:56:15] <crutchy> i thought SedBot didn't work on action
[12:56:31] <chromas> I think FoobarBazbot updated it
[12:56:37] <crutchy> ah
[12:56:40] <crutchy> cool :-)
[12:56:42] <chromas> Too bad he's not around lately to fix it though
[12:57:07] <crutchy> exec can be the spak filla till he gets back :-P
[12:57:08] <chromas> FoobarBazbot: ding, sir
[12:58:08] <crutchy> just tried my new rsync script to copy all exec scripts. seems to work well
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[12:58:17] <crutchy> i'm loving the no password thing
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[13:01:51] <chromas> I need to set that up
[13:02:02] <chromas> I assume it's a bad idea to do that from the phone, though
[13:03:29] <stdhell> Make different keys and fix authorized_keys on the server, if your phone is hacked.
[13:03:50] <chromas> I was thinking lost more than hacked
[13:04:06] <stdhell> You could even set it up, so the key from the phone can only be used for some things.
[13:04:10] <chromas> Never have gotten encryption to work on Android. It just shows a spinner and does nothing
[13:04:15] <crutchy> ooh rsync even tells me which files have changed
[13:04:18] <crutchy> coooooool
[13:04:48] <stdhell> Yes, it doesn't transfer the other files.
[13:05:27] <crutchy> i don't even need the ~get-source and ~del-source scripts any more :-D
[13:05:28] <stdhell> And it doesn't transfer the complete file, if it's just small changes.
[13:05:37] <crutchy> ah
[13:05:50] <stdhell> That's why we all use it. :-)
[13:07:47] <crutchy> ~reload
[13:07:49] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file
[13:08:56] <crutchy> chromas, can invite exec now
[13:09:13] <chromas> ~invite #shell32.dll
[13:09:18] <crutchy> much easier to manage changes now without dodgy hack scripts and usb sticks
[13:09:20] <chromas> neat
[13:10:45] <crutchy> wow i didn't even realise i made an ~invite script alias
[13:10:50] <crutchy> you can also /invite
[13:10:52] <chromas> ~invite #shell32.dll
[13:11:30] <chromas> wait I'm not sure how that works
[13:11:39] <chromas> am I having exec invite itself?
[13:12:00] <chromas> or I guess it's the same as ~join huh
[13:12:08] <crutchy> yup
[13:12:32] <crutchy> just does a join when it receives an INVITE command
[13:12:38] <crutchy> (same as monopoly)
[13:13:08] <chromas> /invite exec #shell32.dll
[13:13:15] <chromas> cool
[13:13:20] * TheMightyBuzzard gets busy on getting unicode working on a fresh pull
[13:13:32] <chromas> oh there you go, doing something useful
[13:13:57] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard: shameful :-P
[13:14:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya well, coffee and drugs are kicking in so i gotta do something
[13:14:35] <crutchy> should be putting your skills to good use making a steaming poo glyph appear in irc :-D
[13:15:19] <crutchy> none of this productive shit
[13:15:19] <stdhell> ๐ฉ
[13:15:45] <stdhell> It isn't steaming. It's just a "pile-of-poo".
[13:16:14] <chromas> ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅBaysplosion!! ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ฅ
[13:16:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> f that, i am not a font developer and that is a novelty glpyh anyway.
[13:17:01] <chromas> What about all the other emoji? Poor mobile users
[13:17:19] <stdhell> They can have a ๐ช...
[13:17:26] <crutchy> โ
[13:17:27] <crutchy> โ
[13:17:34] <crutchy> ^sort of steaming poo
[13:17:37] <crutchy> :-D
[13:17:58] <chromas> ๐
[13:18:48] <crutchy> hahahaha baysplosion
[13:18:54] <stdhell> ๐๐๐
[13:19:03] * crutchy goes off to try find that video again
[13:20:15] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[13:20:16] <monopoly> Title: Michael Bay Presents: Explosions! | Robot Chicken | Adult Swim - YouTube
[13:20:18] <crutchy> awesome
[13:22:25] <stdhell> Speaking of characters, when I upgraded my chromium the other day, non-ANSI input stopped working. shows up as :"{;'[ in chromium.
[13:22:42] <chromas> /ripemd160 ๐ฝ๐
[13:22:42] <monopoly> 0e2a38463da89269c7fe6714c649a29f795574e7
[13:23:02] <stdhell> It works if I use e.g. ctrl-shift-u C 6 shift, but that's gets boring really quickly...
[13:23:13] <stdhell> Anyone else having that problem?
[13:24:04] <stdhell> It happened between 34.0.1847.116-1~deb7u1 and 35.0.1916.153-1~deb7u1.
[13:24:26] <crutchy> lol https://www.youtube.com
[13:24:46] * crutchy kicks monopoly
[13:25:12] * stdhell does not pass start
[13:25:22] <chromas> stdhell: the ctrl-shift thing just deletes what I've written
[13:25:30] <chromas> using compose works though
[13:26:18] <stdhell> chromas: http://en.wikipedia.org
[13:26:19] <monopoly> Title: Unicode input - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[13:26:40] <chromas> oh yeah, their weird version of alt+numpad
[13:26:48] <chromas> composekey++
[13:26:48] <Bender> karma - composekey: 1
[13:27:01] <chromas> crutchy: it works now :D
[13:27:21] <stdhell> chromas: I was expecting people to use a sane OS... :-)
[13:28:08] <chromas> It works on Linux, just not in X
[13:28:22] <crutchy> ok i definitely have to close my browser now its getting weird https://www.youtube.com
[13:28:22] <monopoly> Title: Michael Bay Presents: Explosions! | Robot Chicken | Adult Swim - YouTube
[13:28:33] <crutchy> wtf wrong one
[13:28:57] <crutchy> ah fucket
[13:29:08] <crutchy> vbox shared clipboard must've borked
[13:29:19] <chromas> that gives me so much crap
[13:29:29] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[13:29:30] <monopoly> Title: Neverending Party | Robot Chicken | Adult Swim - YouTube
[13:29:36] <chromas> oh, is clipboard sharing enabled? Yes. Well fuck you anyway
[13:29:38] <stdhell> crutchy: It's spelled Phuket and it's in Thailand.
[13:29:49] <crutchy> hmm stupid thing disabled itself
[13:30:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm....
[13:30:08] <chromas> it just doesn't work for me most of the time
[13:30:13] <crutchy> that's poo ket
[13:30:15] <crutchy> :-P
[13:30:23] <stdhell> Pile-of-poo ket?
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[13:32:04] <chromas> Somebody linked to whatever earlier and it led me to this: http://www.youtube.com
[13:32:05] <monopoly> Title: The Website Is Down - Sales Guy vs. Web Dude - YouTube
[13:32:39] <chromas> Not sure why sped up; probably to make it funnier, like laugh tracks make tv 'funny'
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[13:36:56] * crutchy offers everyone cheese n bacon balls
[13:37:13] * chromas accepts crutchy's balls into his mouth
[13:37:36] <crutchy> extra cheesy and bacony
[13:37:53] <chromas> tasty
[13:38:03] * chromas especially loves Chef's salty chocolate balls
[13:38:41] <crutchy> what about aqu4's rotten taco flavored balls?
[13:38:58] <chromas> cylindrical balls
[13:39:14] <chromas> "You can't arrange by penis"
[13:39:33] <crutchy> penis is just the delimiter
[13:39:45] <crutchy> between the balls
[13:40:34] <chromas> just talkin' 'bout Shaft
[13:40:46] <crutchy> shaft.sh
[13:40:58] <crutchy> shaftd
[13:41:50] <crutchy> something just reminded me of the team america philosophical monologue
[13:42:03] <crutchy> about the usefulness of dicks
[13:42:14] <chromas> dicks, pussies and assholes
[13:42:49] <crutchy> you gotta do it in the old drunk guy's voice though
[13:42:58] <crutchy> chuck
[13:44:36] * crutchy is having an rsync organism
[13:44:54] <chromas> crutchy: s/ani//
[13:44:55] <SedBot> <chromas> <crutchy> is having an rsync orgsm
[13:45:00] <crutchy> exec
[13:45:07] <crutchy> ~reload
[13:45:08] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file
[13:45:11] <crutchy> exec
[13:45:11] <exec> IRC SCRIPT EXECUTIVE
[13:45:12] <exec> https://github.com
[13:45:12] <exec> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[13:45:13] <monopoly> Title: IRC:exec - SoylentNews
[13:45:30] <chromas> /r sperh
[13:45:30] <monopoly> hreps
[13:45:45] <chromas> need a /me /r combo
[13:45:47] <crutchy> something i found in freenode bot channels was when i got there i had nfi how each bot works
[13:45:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, ping
[13:46:07] <crutchy> at least if i put an about on its nick might help
[13:46:21] <chromas> They usually have a help or something
[13:46:33] <chromas> You just gotta know the prefix
[13:51:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> perils of getting up and going before everyone else i guess
[13:52:13] <chromas> are they knocking onthe door?
[13:52:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, nobody else is awake when i need a ruling on a design decision
[13:52:43] <chromas> ah
[13:52:52] <chromas> well NCommander was having the same issue a few hours ago
[13:53:09] <chromas> Just go for it; I'll back you up
[13:53:21] <chromas> Together with crutchy, we add up to one authority figure
[13:53:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... NCommander ping then
[13:53:49] <crutchy> i'm the left big toe
[13:54:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> what, like voltron?
[13:54:08] <chromas> it was about seven hours ago
[13:54:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, right
[13:54:14] <crutchy> even authority figures need toes
[13:54:35] <crutchy> else what will they put in their sock?
[13:54:47] <crutchy> don't answer that :-P
[13:55:36] <chromas> ctrl+j doesn't open downloads in palemoon. hm
[13:59:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> currently we have at least four variables dealing with characters beyond ascii. i'd like to consolidate them all to a boolean utf8/not variable because we really either want utf8 or we don't. it doesn't need to be set several different ways or partially.
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[13:59:41] <crutchy> g'day Bytram|away
[13:59:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin Bytram|away
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[14:00:22] <Bytram> goodness! Youse guys greeted me before my chat client even finished loading! G'Day!!!!!!!!!
[14:00:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> !uid
[14:00:31] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4456, owned by Seven
[14:00:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> 44567?
[14:00:45] * Bytram thinks some here might be more than sufficiently caffienated! =)
[14:00:54] <stdhell> Should have be uid 123456
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[14:01:09] <Bytram> mght take a while for that one; 4567 would come up sooner.
[14:01:10] <stdhell> s/ be / been /
[14:01:10] <SedBot> <stdhell> Should have been uid 123456
[14:01:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[14:01:35] <Bytram> how ya all doing?
[14:01:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Single Bitcoin Mining Pool Achieves Majority Power - http://sylnt.us - mine!-mine!-mine!
[14:02:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> in need of a design decision from a staff code-monkey. otherwise good.
[14:02:48] <crutchy> i'm just a monkey
[14:02:53] <Bytram> I ain't no monkey, but what are you wondering about?
[14:03:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> currently we have at least four variables dealing with characters beyond ascii. i'd like to consolidate them all to a boolean utf8/not variable because we really either want utf8 or we don't. it doesn't need to be set several different ways or partially.
[14:03:13] <stdhell> TheMightyBuzzard: ๐๐๐
[14:03:17] <crutchy> we were wondering what do you think about manta rays
[14:03:23] <chromas> I vote [9]
[14:03:29] <Bytram> chromas: LOL!
[14:03:39] <Bytram> The Beetles: "Number 9"
[14:03:50] <crutchy> numbo 8 buuuurp
[14:03:57] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: what are the four variables?
[14:04:17] <Bytram> and are you *certain* those are the *only* ones?
[14:04:32] * crutchy needs more caffinination
[14:04:33] <stdhell> Bytram: foo, bar, baz and qux.
[14:04:55] <Bytram> stdhell: LOL!
[14:04:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> utf8, which isn't even in the vars table right now but is in the code, draconian_charrefs, draconian_charset, and draconian_charset_convertd
[14:05:00] <crutchy> $i, $j, $k and $;
[14:05:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> er draconian_charset_convert
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[14:05:19] <crutchy> oh noze!
[14:05:39] <Bytram> ok, I see three names there... and the fourth?
[14:05:48] <Bytram> crutchy: Rudolph?
[14:05:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> utf8
[14:06:06] <crutchy> i have nfi what's wrong with me
[14:06:14] <Bytram> oh, missed that one.
[14:06:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's also the page encoding and feed encoding variables that i forget the name of
[14:07:12] <Bytram> so, (I'm guessing) you're proposing to replace all of the above with *just* utf8?
[14:07:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> basically
[14:07:30] * stdhell is sooo glad I designed my new code correctly from the beginning.
[14:08:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's really not a situation where we'll want all unicode html-encoded except for left and right quotes and emdashes
[14:08:23] <Bytram> hmmm, data types on these? Boolean? List? Hash?
[14:08:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> boolean
[14:08:39] <Bytram> oh. Hmmm?
[14:08:45] <Bytram> Hmmm.
[14:08:50] <crutchy> i propose renaming slashd to crapd
[14:09:05] <crutchy> vote [9] now
[14:09:20] <Bytram> crutchy: IX
[14:09:37] <crutchy> ~con/con
[14:09:37] <exec> 00,12
[14:09:38] <exec> 00,12 12,00 Soylent 00,12
[14:09:38] <exec> 00,12
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[14:09:38] <exec> 00,12 00010E36. The current application will be terminated.
[14:09:39] <exec> 00,12
[14:09:39] <exec> 00,12 * Press any key to terminate the current application.
[14:09:40] <exec> 00,12 * Press CTRL+ALT+DEL again to restart your computer. You will
[14:09:40] <exec> 00,12 lose any unsaved information in all applications.
[14:09:40] <exec> 00,12
[14:09:41] <exec> 00,12 Press any key to continue _
[14:09:41] <exec> 00,12
[14:09:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's also good_numeric and good_entity which just need to disappear as we already strip bad numerics out elsewhere
[14:09:58] <stdhell> exec: exit(EXIT_FAILURE);
[14:10:01] <crutchy> you have performed an illegal operation and borked the voting scipt
[14:10:13] <crutchy> s/ipt/ript/
[14:10:13] <SedBot> <crutchy> you have performed an illegal operation and borked the voting script
[14:10:42] <Bytram> crutchy: s/borked/improved/
[14:10:42] <SedBot> <Bytram> <crutchy> you have performed an illegal operation and improved the voting scipt
[14:11:50] <Bytram> Ok, so we have these booleans: utf8, draconian_charrefs, draconian_charset, and draconian_charset_convert, good_numeric, and good_entity
[14:11:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[14:13:09] <Bytram> and we are certain that bad numerics (e.g. Ӓ) are stripped out, assumingly at first encounter so they can't propagate through later code paths?
[14:13:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> well not the last two. they're hashes that function as a whitelist for utf8 that should not be &#f000; encoded
[14:13:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, yep. in data.pm
[14:13:48] <Bytram> good_numeric and good_entity are BOTH hashes?
[14:13:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[14:14:15] <Bytram> why would you need two of them?
[14:14:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> i really have no idea
[14:14:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> besides which, they come from a module that doesn't even work for our needs.
[14:15:13] <Bytram> do they have identical contents?
[14:15:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> not sure, i'd have to dump them and find out
[14:15:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> but we really don't need a whitelist AND a blacklist
[14:16:07] <crutchy> maybe good_numeric is called by good_entity (just a wild guess)
[14:16:15] <stdhell> One probably has e.g. 𒍅 as key, the other e.g. < as keys.
[14:17:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, it looks like they're the same thing but pre and post adding the &#;
[14:17:18] <Bytram> if they are identical, then they can be collapsed into one variable. I wonder if maybe they have different *representations* for the same, resulting, glyph? egb. < and <
[14:17:52] <stdhell> Oh... Otherwise it could also be ሴ and < as keys in one of them and ๐ฉ as keys in the other.
[14:17:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, one's just used before encoding on the raw number and one's used after.
[14:18:17] <crutchy> as long as we can type <
[14:18:29] <crutchy> in comments (if need be)
[14:18:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, yep and if you don't it will get converted for you anyway.
[14:18:51] <chromas> I, for one, was sorely disappointed when — wuit working a while back
[14:18:53] <stdhell> Might be a good idea to check CPAN and use one of those modules instead of some homebrew crap...
[14:19:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> stderr, overkill. it's like 5 lines of code necessary.
[14:19:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh
[14:19:22] <Bytram> I've got a two-month-old copy of data.pm to look at, but should give me an idea of what
[14:19:25] <Bytram> is going on.
[14:19:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/stderr/stdhell/
[14:19:43] <stdhell> TheMightyBuzzard: Same user... :-)
[14:19:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> good deal.
[14:19:53] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: yup, i've almost done that three times already.
[14:19:57] <Bytram> what? same user?
[14:20:04] <chromas> yeah but is there a redirect?
[14:20:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> 666>&2
[14:20:25] <stdhell> TheMightyBuzzard: But some of those modules can also strip out unwanted html.
[14:20:34] <stdhell> Bytram: stderr and stdhell.
[14:21:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> stdhell, s'true but done in another sub entirely
[14:21:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> several filters applied to each field of an incoming form, depending on its type.
[14:23:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> %mode_actions around line 1500
[14:24:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> decides which filters get applied to something
[14:24:33] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: btw, and before I lose the thought; possible malicious text: (100 zero-width-space-characters)(Right-to-left-symbol)(100 characters-to-appear-to-the-left-of-the-element)
[14:25:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> remove_tags and remove_ltgt get applied to most everything
[14:25:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, yeah, those'll happen once i get everything sorted and working the slash way.
[14:26:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> whitespace gets flagged already in like two places, not sure if \s matches unicode spaces though
[14:26:55] <Bytram> could be fun. I wonder if we could fix that with CSS? p {overflow: hidden;}
[14:27:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> rtl/ltr characters will likely get set in the vars table so they can be easily added to
[14:27:59] <Bytram> you mean to block them?
[14:28:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[14:28:15] <stdhell> " If Unicode is in effect, "\s" matches also
[14:28:15] <stdhell> "\x{85}", "\x{2028}", and "\x{2029}". See perlunicode for more details
[14:28:15] <stdhell> about "\pP", "\PP", "\X" and the possibility of defining your own "\p"
[14:28:15] <stdhell> and "\P" properties, and perluniintro about Unicode in general."
[14:28:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice
[14:28:25] <Bytram> and if we want to set up an arabic nexus?
[14:29:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> then we just remove them from the vars entry via the admin panel and restart apache
[14:29:40] <Bytram> yeah, but then we're right bacvk to the current situation, right?
[14:30:19] <Bytram> not that I expect we'll have a valid use for them immediately, but let's not plan ourselves into a corner is all I'm sayin'
[14:30:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure but there's no way to allow rtl arabic text and not rtl everything else without me getting my fancy, fancy regex on
[14:30:37] <Bytram> nods
[14:31:02] <crutchy> ~weather crutchy
[14:31:05] <exec> Weather for Morwell (latrobe Valley Airport), VIC, Australia at 2014-06-16 11:00:00 (UTC) ~ 1.5 hrs ago:
[14:31:06] <exec> temperature = 51.8ยฐF (11ยฐC) dewpoint = 51.4ยฐF (10.8ยฐC)
[14:31:06] <exec> barometric pressure = 1019.4 mb ~ change of 0.9 mb over past 3 hrs relative humdity = 98%
[14:31:06] <exec> wind speed = 15 mph (24 km/h) wind direction = 280ยฐ
[14:31:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus then you'd have to mod the code itself just to allow for it where in the vars table you can do it from the admin panel
[14:31:27] <Bytram> unless, there could be a nexus-level flag that toggles whether or not to allow rtl/ltr? Or maybe to default to it all the time?
[14:32:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, could be but i know fuck-all about nexuses. haven't had time to study up on them yet.
[14:32:08] <stdhell> Bytram: So on an arabic site, left-to-right is disabled?
[14:32:37] <Bytram> then it could be a matter of [not]including a css tag that surrounds everything with rtl or ltr
[14:33:13] <Bytram> seems manageable enough to not have to worry about it at this point; just didn't want to paint ourselves into a corner!
[14:33:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be but that could still be done without changing the placement of a blacklist
[14:33:32] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:33:39] <crutchy> but painty footprints are fun
[14:33:50] <Bytram> okay, going back to the "good_" stuff...
[14:34:13] <Bytram> grep -n "\(good_numeric\|good_entity\)" Data.pm
[14:34:23] <Bytram> seems to show two different kinds of application
[14:34:40] <Bytram> 1345: if ($constants->{good_numeric}{$char}) {
[14:34:42] <Bytram> 1347: } else { # see if char is in %good_entity
[14:34:42] <Bytram> 1351: $str = $ent if $constants->{good_entity}{$data};
[14:34:42] <Bytram> 1383: $constants->{good_numeric} = { map { $_, 1 } @{$constants->{charrefs_good_numeric}},
[14:34:42] <Bytram> 1385: $constants->{good_entity} = { map { $_, 1 } @{$constants->{charrefs_good_entity}}, qw(apos quot),
[14:34:42] <Bytram> 2448: if (!$constants->{good_numeric}{$decimal}) {
[14:34:43] <Bytram> 2459: if (!$constants->{good_entity}{$entity}) {
[14:35:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, thas the place
[14:35:10] <Bytram> NOTE: code is dated: 2014-04-02
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[14:36:20] * Bytram ponders
[14:36:38] <Bytram> LaminatorX: G'Morning!
[14:36:56] * crutchy offers gumboots to Bytram for pondering
[14:36:58] <LaminatorX> So far, so good. Thanls.
[14:37:20] <Bytram> glad to hear it!
[14:37:40] <stdhell> LaminatorX: It went fine up to the Thanls...
[14:38:22] <crutchy> ~define-add pondering wandering in a pond (hopefully with gumboots)
[14:38:23] <exec> definition for term "pondering" set to "wandering in a pond (hopefully with gumboots)"
[14:39:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> good_* is only used when draconian is in effect and if draconian is in effect, we're specifically not wanting unicode. we don't need a whitelist of a few characters because we just lurve them.
[14:39:47] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: s/lurve/leave/
[14:39:47] <SedBot> <Bytram> <TheMightyBuzzard> good_* is only used when draconian is in effect and if draconian is in effect, we're specifically not wanting unicode. we don't need a whitelist of a few characters because we just leave them.
[14:39:47] <Bytram> ?
[14:39:55] <LaminatorX> I'm not letting a little Thanls rain on my parade. ;)
[14:40:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/lurve/love/
[14:40:17] <SedBot> <TheMightyBuzzard> good_* is only used when draconian is in effect and if draconian is in effect, we're specifically not wanting unicode. we don't need a whitelist of a few characters because we just love them.
[14:40:24] <stdhell> Stupid, annoying SoylentNews search... Try searching for "utf-8" and the "-" is stripped. No results for "utf 8"...
[14:40:33] <Bytram> DB\MySQL\MySQL.pm:8504: charrefs_good_entity => [qw( amp lt gt euro pound yen rsquo lsquo rdquo ldquo ndash mdash )],
[14:40:36] <stdhell> Not even http://soylentnews.org
[14:40:37] <monopoly> Title: SoylentNews | Announcing UTF-8 Support on SoylentNews
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[14:41:17] <crutchy> hi woods
[14:41:34] <Woods> What up, what up?
[14:41:44] <crutchy> ~time ks
[14:41:46] <exec> [Google] 7:41am Monday (CDT) - Time in Kansas, USA
[14:41:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> Woods, nada. supwidchoo?
[14:41:52] <crutchy> must be wakey wakey time in murica
[14:41:57] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: okay, so "draconian" mode in effect means we want to squash out all utf-8 stuff?
[14:42:17] <Woods> Indeed it is.
[14:42:32] <Woods> Not much TheMightyBuzzard: Oatmeal and RSS reader.
[14:42:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, yep. cept whitelisted characters. personally i'd rather either squash or not squash all utf8.
[14:42:44] <Bytram> ~time sydney
[14:42:45] <exec> [Google] 10:42pm Monday (EST) - Time in Sydney NSW, Australia
[14:43:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> cept the blacklist of asshattery
[14:43:05] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: pong
[14:43:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, he lives
[14:43:35] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: On first thought, I can see nothing wrong with that.
[14:43:49] <Bytram> ask the master who just appeared, though!
[14:44:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, i wanna consolidate all the utf8 related variables (cept the ones where you set page encoding) down to just boolean "utf8" in vars
[14:44:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> need a ruling on that.
[14:45:00] <crutchy> vote [9] for neigh
[14:45:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> specifically draconian_charrefs, draconian_charset, draconian_charset_convert
[14:45:26] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: thinkk all of the vars are not real booleans as the admin interface does not work with them. They are pseudo booleans with 0 is off and 1 is on. We can do that
[14:45:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> right right
[14:46:14] <crutchy> maybe specialchars
[14:46:21] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: might I suggest something a litle more self-documenting? like: utf8_allowed or utf8_filter_out or somesuch?
[14:46:21] <crutchy> normal chars are still utf-8
[14:46:32] <crutchy> though that's getting nitpicky
[14:46:47] <paulej72> if you do set up a new var it needs to go into the appropriate db setup file as well as the ugrades file
[14:46:48] <Bytram> crutchy: I'm an abnormal character =)
[14:46:50] <Bytram> nograb
[14:47:03] <stdhell> And UTF-8 isn't the only encoding possible...
[14:47:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> also, want to remove the whitelists of $constants->{good_entity}/$constants->{good_numeric} because if utf8 is set to 0 they're going to hose up the db anyway.
[14:47:26] * crutchy offers some blue crayons to Bytram (tries to avoid offering the pre-chewed ones)
[14:47:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, it's not new, it was there when i started. it just isn't in the db for some reason.
[14:47:47] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: let me look at thoes two real quick
[14:48:04] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: ouch. just realized that if we do allow full utf-8 stuff into the DB, and then change our mind, it could get, ummm, interesting.
[14:48:59] * Bytram thanks crutchy and offers back a nice soylent-green, fully-chewed crayon in return
[14:49:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, nah. db is already utf8 on every table and the db
[14:49:31] <crutchy> ooh yum :-)
[14:49:36] <paulej72> Bytram: we could set it up that we do not allow unicode into the db but still display any that comes out
[14:50:25] * crutchy thanks Bytram and compares the taste of green chewed crayon to that of the nearest window
[14:50:25] <Bytram> paulej72: oh? You mean like turn all incoming utf-8 into numeric entities or something like that?
[14:50:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, what i'm thinking: either allow full unicode end to end if $constants->{utf8} or convert all unicode to &#nnnn; like we are currently on dev.
[14:51:02] <crutchy> just rawurlencode the whole lot
[14:51:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> using a blacklist for disallowed characters.
[14:51:34] <paulej72> Bytram and TheMightyBuzzard this was fr the future if we needed to disable utf8
[14:52:16] <Bytram> *that* was my concern. if we try to roll back for some reason, would we find ourselves boxed into a corner.
[14:52:39] <Bytram> thanks for expressing it better than I did!
[14:52:40] <crutchy> then pack, gzip and hash
[14:53:00] <crutchy> then SN will appear in matrix code
[14:53:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> disabling utf8 should be nothing but setting utf8 to 0 in vars table, then it should still display any utf8 in the db already but move everyone to the &#nnnn; system for new content.
[14:54:06] <Bytram> andwhat would get displayed if I load up an "old" comment? will I see a bunch of strings of "Ӓ" and the like?
[14:54:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, only if you're somehow editing the comment
[14:54:35] <crutchy> that's prolly the appropriate response
[14:54:45] <crutchy> either that or filtered
[14:54:56] <crutchy> (disappeared)
[14:55:02] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: i am fine with disabling the good_xxx check
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[14:55:58] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: okay, 4 permutations: [saved into db with utf-8 ON or OFF]x[displayed to user with utf-8 ON or OFF]
[14:56:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, also, i haven't looked much at all the places it's done yet but i'd like to have the unicode blacklist be a row in vars so it's easily changeable.
[14:56:08] <Bytram> can you think of any problems with any one of those 4?
[14:56:26] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[14:56:26] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 13
[14:56:30] <paulej72> just remember most of this stuff was put into slash because assholes were using uincode to create phising urls and other crap that was reaking havoc on /.
[14:56:32] <Bytram> oh yeah.
[14:56:34] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:56:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 250
[14:56:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, good reason to put it in vars. no source editing to add a few characters to the blacklist.
[14:57:10] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: yes unicode blacklist should be in vars.
[14:57:41] <Bytram> paulej72: Ouch! I'd forgot about *that* possibility. Blegh.
[14:57:46] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: you will be keeping the other two blackists for entities and unumerics correct
[14:58:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, not sure yet. haven't looked at them.
[14:59:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> hardcoded bad should pretty much be limited to invalid is my thinking though.
[15:00:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> even if we think we will never want these, someone else using the source might.
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[15:02:07] <Bytram> afk brb
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[15:06:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> well and valid ascii. anyone encoding valid ascii is being a wiseass anyway.
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[15:09:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> afk a few
[15:09:25] <crutchy> as in A ?
[15:10:14] <crutchy> hi janrinok
[15:10:45] <crutchy> ping xlefay
[15:15:34] <Bytram> paulej72: gave some thought to url phishing... What if we had a function (or whatever) that scans for urls and flags those that contain non-ascii characters? (Much like the user-profile toggle that flags to display domain names of urls.)
[15:16:31] <paulej72> Bytram: not sure if browsers are doing this now. I have seen some discussions on this in the past.
[15:17:11] <stdhell> Bytram: risengrd.dk (AKA xn--risengrd-c5a.dk) is a valid domain. I don't think it has been involved in any scam or phishing.
[15:17:12] <Bytram> I would suspect that some, might, but I'm certain that not all do it. e.g. I've got a version of Lynx that runs in a command window.
[15:18:18] <Bytram> stdhell: yup. URLs ARE permitted to use utf-8, I'm just thinking of flagging those that DO use it, to call it to the user's attention so they know when something that *looks* like plain ascii might not be.
[15:19:45] <stdhell> Maybe check if something like https://developers.google.com could be used instead...
[15:19:46] <monopoly> Title: Developer's Guide (v2) - Safe Browsing API — Google Developers
[15:21:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, zactly
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[15:29:15] <Blackmoore> mornin
[15:32:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin
[15:32:50] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[15:32:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 251
[15:33:22] <Bytram> Blackmoore: morning!
[15:34:50] <Blackmoore> and we begin another tedious week in the office.
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[15:35:43] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard: how would something like this be processed?
[15:35:45] <crutchy> stuff%3C%2Ftextarea%3E%3Cscript%20type%3D%22text%2Fjavascript%22%3E%3C%2Fscript%3E%3Ctextarea%3E
[15:36:24] <crutchy> (a lame attempt at script injection)
[15:36:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> would currently get converted to ascii then have the tags stripped.
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[15:37:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> or possibly it would just pass through and be displayed as-is. i'd have to check.
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[15:38:47] <crutchy> through the perl equiv of php's htmlspecialchars
[15:39:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, homerolled
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[15:41:36] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I'm curious, have you come to a conclusion on your utf8_allowed boolean question?
[15:42:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, always display what's in the db to the user as it is in the db.
[15:42:58] <Bytram> ok, and what, if any, filtering happens to the data that goes into the DB?
[15:43:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> no logic needed there and i'd have to write every bit of it because we currently trust the db implicitly
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[15:43:12] <crutchy> if i put </textarea><script type="text/javascript"></script><textarea> into a comment, it would have to convert each & to & i'm guessing
[15:43:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, if utf8 is set, very little except filtering against the blacklist.
[15:44:20] <Bytram> ok...
[15:44:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, if utf8 isn't set, everything above ascii is converted to &#nnnn; notation
[15:45:10] <Bytram> so, we need to remember that IF we ever UPDATE the blacklist, we need to make a sweep through the DB to catch any pre-existing "bad" data.
[15:45:12] * crutchy wonders if khyber's hack had anything to do with script injection or something like that
[15:45:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, yep. would be a pain but not as much of a pain as not trusting the db.
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[15:46:27] <Bytram> nod nod.
[15:46:36] <crutchy> just gotta trust that everything going into the db is trustworthy
[15:46:46] <Bytram> would the blacklist live as entries in the DB? Or just in perl code.
[15:46:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, it'd do nothing to that text except display it as text with the entities converted to characters.
[15:47:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, one entry in the db.
[15:47:29] <Bytram> ok...
[15:47:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> well two really
[15:47:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> pipe separated entries.
[15:48:29] <Bytram> is there an interface for setting these (say in admin)? Or is it something in loading up the DB? Or something else?
[15:48:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> one for entities like < and one for numeric.
[15:48:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, the vars bit of admin
[15:48:47] <Bytram> I'm just trying to think of a way to warn our future selves in a year or five. =)
[15:49:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> they live in charrefs_bad_entity and numeric
[15:50:50] <stdhell> Bytram: sleep 1y ; echo "Danger!"
[15:52:05] <crutchy> stdhell: s/echo "Danger!"/kill slashd/
[15:52:05] <SedBot> <crutchy> <stdhell> sleep 1y ; kill slashd
[15:52:52] <stdhell> crutchy: That doesn't warn anyone.
[15:53:34] <crutchy> it will create much excitement for all :-)
[15:54:42] <stdhell> In that case, you should use "sleep ${RANDOM}h" instead.
[15:55:18] * crutchy prepares pull request
[15:55:41] <crutchy> night all
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[15:57:13] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: hadn't looked in that part of the interface before... looks like charrefs_bad_numeric is currently set to: "8204|8205|8206|8207|8236|8237|8238"
[15:57:45] <Bytram> so I take that to mean that each of ‌ ‍ etc would get filtered out in some way?
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[15:57:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, yep
[15:58:05] <Bytram> when the appropriate flag is set, of course.
[15:58:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, always
[15:58:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> blacklist
[15:58:19] <Bytram> oh. nod. nod.
[15:58:28] <stdhell> You might want to add 8294->8297 too.
[15:58:30] <Bytram> thinking...
[15:58:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably add a lot to it
[15:58:47] <Bytram> yup.
[15:59:32] <stdhell> And 8234 and 8235
[16:00:21] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: brainstorming on how to trap and flag changes... do we have triggers available on the DB?
[16:00:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno
[16:00:49] <Bytram> btw, that was from dev.soylentnews.org
[16:01:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, it should be the same on live
[16:01:22] <Bytram> I'mpretty sure that postgresql supports triggers; don't think that mysql does, though.
[16:01:37] <Bytram> don't know for sure.
[16:01:39] <Bytram> brb
[16:02:25] <Bytram> looks like MySql 5.0 supports triggers, what version are we running?
[16:03:32] <paulej72> 5.6 somthing on prod 5.5 on dev
[16:03:51] <crutchy|zzz> tail the log?
[16:04:17] <Bytram> paulej72: great!
[16:04:31] <Bytram> crutchy|zzz: wag the tail?
[16:04:32] <Bytram> =)
[16:07:35] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: paulej72: So, to handle the case where we find a new "naughty" utf-8 character, we could use a trigger to detect when the list of bad chars is updated, and then do a pass through the DB to remove them? Sounds a bit dangerous, but idk. See: https://dev.mysql.com
[16:07:36] <monopoly> Title: MySQL :: MySQL 5.0 Reference Manual :: 18.3.1 Trigger Syntax and Examples
[16:08:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, we could but ya, dangerous.
[16:08:39] <paulej72> Bytram: i would not want to do that automatically, we should leave that as a manual fix
[16:08:56] <Bytram> nod nod.
[16:09:20] <paulej72> Or we could make sure the checks get applied on the output side as well as input.
[16:09:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, basically any entry with the newly flagged character needs to be deleted entirely and that should always involve human intervention.
[16:10:01] <Bytram> automatic delete is something I get really, Really REALLY nervous about. you!
[16:10:06] <Bytram> s/you/yup/
[16:10:06] <SedBot> <Bytram> automatic delete is something I get really, Really REALLY nervous about. yup!
[16:10:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, we could but that would be a pita.
[16:10:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> i prefer to trust the db.
[16:10:47] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: agreed, but it is an option
[16:10:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[16:11:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Status Update: Incorporation Report - http://sylnt.us - expecting-torchs-and-pitchforks
[16:11:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> will keep it in mind but not implementing functionality to do it just yet.
[16:12:27] <Bytram> the only thing that comes to mind for me atm, is that each time slashd is started (for example) we log to a table: timestamp, varname, varvalues. When there is a change of value for a varname from the last log, put up a notice of somesort that the DB might need a cleaning pass. idk, thinking out loud.
[16:13:02] <paulej72> I Had to first post that meta story
[16:13:49] <Bytram> hmmm, or maybe a control on the admin page where we pro-actively request a DB scan/flush/filter based on the current settings?
[16:14:15] <paulej72> Bytram: Iโll let you build that system :)
[16:15:28] <Bytram> Oy.
[16:15:41] <stdhell> Non-automatic deletion of entries seems a bit stupid too. I hope you mean "editing of entries", right? Otherwise you could have replies to comments that simply doesn't exist anymore.
[16:16:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> right
[16:16:22] <Bytram> stdhell: not of the entire *entry*, of the newly-detected problematic utf-8 characters.
[16:16:42] <Bytram> maybe leave it a manual thing, but we just gotta remember to DO it, whenever it is updated?
[16:17:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, all you have to do in that case is pull it up in the editor and it will automatically be taken out by the regex.
[16:17:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> when you resubmit it exactly the same.
[16:17:48] <Bytram> sounds simple, how long will that take for the 50k+ comments we now have? O_o
[16:18:01] <Bytram> otoh, that's nice to know. thanks!
[16:18:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> if we get comment flooded maliciously, it'll have to be done through the db anyway but that's not especially difficult.
[16:19:48] <paulej72> also with doing it manually, a backup can be done before hand just in case.
[16:20:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, where's your spirit of adventure?
[16:20:27] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: NCommander borrowed it
[16:20:50] <Bytram> paulej72: nod! nod!
[16:21:48] <stdhell> My spirit of adventure was eaten by a grue. :-(
[16:23:19] * Bytram offers stdhell a light
[16:23:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine's alive n well. backups and working outside the live code is for wimps.
[16:23:36] <stdhell> I'm too lazy to do it myself, but if someone wants to submit a story: http://www.debian.org
[16:23:37] <monopoly> Title: Debian -- News -- Debian 6 debuts its long term support period
[16:25:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> i shoulda went fishing this morning. my coding is going damned slow.
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[16:27:50] <Bytram> stdhell: going back to your suggestions on filtering utf-8 chars: 8294-8297; 8234; 8235; I'm wondering what those are and why you recommended them?
[16:29:24] <stdhell> 8296->8297: LEFT-TO-RIGHT ISOLATE, RIGHT-TO-LEFT ISOLATE, FIRST STRONG ISOLATE and POP DIRECTIONAL ISOLATE
[16:29:31] <stdhell> http://www.fileformat.info
[16:29:32] <monopoly> Title: Unicode Character 'POP DIRECTIONAL ISOLATE' (U+2069)
[16:30:06] <stdhell> 8234 and 8235: LEFT-TO-RIGHT EMBEDDING and RIGHT-TO-LEFT EMBEDDING
[16:30:36] <Bytram> stdhell: THANKS!
[16:30:41] <Bytram> which reminds me...
[16:30:54] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: we do not have a html hex entity blacklist. We should have one.
[16:31:26] * stdhell still thinks a whitelist would be better...
[16:31:29] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I D/L those fonts you recommended, but I had some hiccups. Could you please do an MD5SUM on them and let me know what you got?
[16:31:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, sec, wanna check something. may be unnecessary.
[16:31:51] <Bytram> unifonts)
[16:32:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, i installed via package manager, what are the ttf file names?
[16:32:29] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: here's what I got:
[16:32:30] <Bytram> 9cc7308e610b1fdc33c2d58251ddff4c *unifont_csur-6.3.20140214.ttf
[16:32:30] <Bytram> 135e5c42ef0a377f7800f96171dab59f *unifont_upper_csur-6.3.20140214.ttf
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[16:34:08] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I'm hoping I pulled down the right font files?
[16:34:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, correct
[16:34:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> i didn't install the upper one though
[16:35:44] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: huh? Oh! Didn't *install* the upper one. You only installed: unifont_csur-6.3.20140214.ttf correct?
[16:37:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, url escaped characters don't get interpreted. they're safe. http://meta.dev.soylentnews.org
[16:37:11] <monopoly> Title: Dev.SN Comments | Unicode test
[16:37:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> apparently anyway, that's not exactly an exhaustive test.
[16:38:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, correct
[16:38:57] <Bytram> got it! Thanks!!!
[16:39:21] <Blackmoore> stdhell: submitted
[16:42:58] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I said it before, but it bears repeating: thanks for all your work getting the UTF-8 stuff banged into shape. It's been a real blast for me coming up with devious stuff to make it run amiss, and you've taken it all in stride.
[16:43:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, saves me thinking of it and having to go back and change things
[16:43:59] <Bytram> paulej72: And most certainly I thank you for all you've done in supporting themes, nexuseses, and just quietly going on and making it all work. You do it so well, I hardly even notice!
[16:44:08] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: so it's been helpful?
[16:44:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> my brain's quit spitting out code just now though. hoping i can get it kick-started again but not holding my breath
[16:44:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[16:44:59] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: need more coffee?
[16:45:04] <stdhell> Too bad that ‬ and ‭ are filtered out.
[16:45:18] <stdhell> This should have worked: ‪The arabic word for <em>example</em> is spelled <em>‭م ث ا ل‬</em> but should be written from right to left as <em>مثال</em>‬
[16:45:58] <Bytram> I'm glad. Sometimes I felt like I was being a bother. OTOH, I've spent way too many years doing software qa and test, I just can't not think of those things! Glad it was helpful. If I ever start being a "pest", just let me know. K?
[16:46:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> stderr, we could unblacklist them but i'd rather not.
[16:46:27] <stdhell> The 202A at the beginning and the 202C at the end doesn't really do anything.
[16:46:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, ditto.
[16:46:46] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: kewel!
[16:47:10] <paulej72> stdhell: those particular two were banned becasue people would put the one without the other an break the whole page.
[16:47:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, may be low blood sugar. think i'm good on caffeine.
[16:47:39] <paulej72> need more sugar with coffee :)
[16:48:02] <Bytram> I suspect one couldor put a RTL at the beginning of a line and follow it with a bunch of chars which would appear outside of the designated area?
[16:48:02] <stdhell> paulej72: Maybe count them instead and add enough "POPs"?
[16:48:12] <Bytram> s/couldor/could/
[16:48:13] <SedBot> <Bytram> I suspect one could put a RTL at the beginning of a line and follow it with a bunch of chars which would appear outside of the designated area?
[16:48:37] <Bytram> time to get going about my day; will leave window open until I have to head out.
[16:48:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> bad for the toofs. i'd end up on painkillers for another abscess with as much coffee as i drink.
[16:48:42] <stdhell> Bytram: A RTL text should start at the right, so as long as it's short enough to be in the box, it should be fine.
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[16:49:16] <paulej72> people would put a RTL and not reverse at the end. Everything after the at RTL would be RTL.
[16:49:19] <stdhell> It's the exact same problem as a long LTR line.
[16:49:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> could always put in a regex to close it if they don't.
[16:50:09] <stdhell> paulej72: And the code can't count the RTL marks and add enough POPs itself?
[16:50:28] <paulej72> BallanceTags couldb be amended to add a matching LTR at the end or just pop it
[16:50:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[16:51:10] <paulej72> but do we need to have RTL and LTR?
[16:51:15] <stdhell> paulej72: You should use POP for that, not LTR...
[16:51:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> would be easy really but i'd still strip it from the subject and dept.
[16:52:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, us, probably not. wouldn't be a bad addition to the code though since it is oss and someone else may end up using it.
[16:53:44] <Bytram|afk> oh! Just remembered; could we fix it with css? overflow:hidden or something like that?
[16:54:03] <paulej72> I think we should blacklist and set it for a future fix.
[16:54:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> it'd be the bottom of the todo list though, waaaaay after getting unicode working on live
[16:54:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[16:56:41] <Bytram|afk> I was thinking defense at depth: if, despite our best efforts, something managed to slip through, at least the site layout would be preserved.
[16:56:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> right now it looks like you could pass it through on dev and not get it yoinked
[16:57:15] <Bytram|afk> TheMightyBuzzard: but does dev have your latest stuff?
[16:57:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, latest stuff isn't written.
[16:57:50] <Bytram|afk> LOL!
[16:57:57] <Bytram|afk> ok, gtg; will look in after a while before I head out.
[16:57:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> or rather an ugly hack is written that technically works but is not remotely done correctly
[16:58:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> converting it to done the slash way with proper error checking and the lot is what i've been doing today.
[17:00:00] <stdhell> Do you have any examples of sequences of unicode characters that would break the layout, if some of the characters wasn't filtered out? I want to test a site that doesn't use slashd.
[17:04:06] <stdhell> Damn it! I can't break my own site, no matter what I throw at it... And you know that means that 5 seconds after launch, it all breaks.
[17:04:30] <paulej72> I just tried stdhellโs arabic line in slash on safair using the dev tools to insert the line in the code. It may be that browsers are smarter at not allowing RTL to be used on text that is not native RTL.
[17:06:02] <stdhell> My line used a LTR on some RTL characters.
[17:06:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, whether text order should be reversed is part of the codepoint. all they have to do is follow the standards.
[17:07:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> rtl some mixed arabic and latin1 and you get them both going the proper direction.
[17:07:41] <stdhell> paulej72: The character that looks like a "J" should be on the right in the "is spelled ..." case, but on the left in the final word.
[17:08:26] <stdhell> TheMightyBuzzard: RTL EMBEDDING or RTL OVERRIDE?
[17:09:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> stdhell, beats me. likely both.
[17:09:04] <stdhell> And what is the "proper" direction? :-)
[17:09:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd have to check again
[17:10:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> an arabic1-english-arabic2 string should read rtl2-ltr-rtl1
[17:10:42] <stdhell> My example is LTR EMBED with some LTR OVERRIDE for a small part. And no LTR or RTL in the last word.
[17:11:18] <stdhell> TheMightyBuzzard: It would, if it was in a RTL embedding.
[17:11:41] <stdhell> It would be rtl1-ltr-rtl2 in an LTR embedding.
[17:12:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> read up on it the other day but i'm still complete shit at the specifics
[17:12:34] <stdhell> I've been testing this A LOT lately for another site... :-)
[17:14:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you want to code up the regexs to properly pop the directionality, i'll include them but debugging them is beyond me at the moment.
[17:14:15] <paulej72> I am trying to get one of the overrides to override normal english ascii text, but I am not having luck in FF or safair
[17:15:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, ya, it should never reverse english text. that was always a bug.
[17:15:16] <stdhell> TheMightyBuzzard: Can't you just count the LTR embed, RTL embed, LTR override and RTL override Minus the POP count... And add that many POPs?
[17:15:48] <stdhell> paulej72: One ‮two ثلاثة four‬ five
[17:15:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> stdhell, i could but it would completely derail me mentally from what i'm doing right now.
[17:16:37] <stdhell> Well, this site is in perl too, so when I get around to do that stuff myself, I might share the code.
[17:16:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> cheers
[17:17:09] <paulej72> stdhell: ok that one did what I was ecpecting, One two ุซูุงุซุฉ four five
[17:17:48] <paulej72> no that pased fine but did not send correctly One ruof arabic owt five
[17:19:08] <stdhell> The arabic in that one is spelled correctly. Add ‭ ... ‬ to really fuck it up. :-)
[17:21:50] <paulej72> So we do have a rtl issue as if I leave off the pop at the end all things will go to hell
[17:23:13] <paulej72> so on FF the ‮ will not go past a html tag. so at most you can mess with your own comment not break the whole page.
[17:25:36] <paulej72> we should probably delete these in the blacklist on dev for testing and see if modern browsers keep the page from becoming a pile of shit.
[17:25:53] <paulej72> OK off to lunch
[17:29:35] <Bytram|afk> only have a minute...
[17:29:43] <Bytram|afk> stdhell: you might find this helpful: https://github.com
[17:30:12] <Bytram|afk> TheMightyBuzzard: paulej72: instead of "overflow:hidden" might want to use: "overflow:wrap"; idk.
[17:30:46] <Bytram|afk> chinese char sets, IIRC, read top-to-bottom, right-to-left? how is that encoded in UTF-8? Or is it?
[17:31:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram|afk, top to bottom is an html thing
[17:32:07] <Bytram|afk> also, we need to remember that there are THREE kinds of entities to watch for: > < and 2 (or watever it is)
[17:32:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[17:32:39] <Bytram|afk> TheMightyBuzzard: just wanted to put it out there... but, umm, how DO you do that in HTML?
[17:32:47] <Bytram|afk> gtg, back in 5min
[17:32:55] <stdhell> Bytram|afk: Bookmarked for later...
[17:33:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram|afk, don't know off the top of my head and you can google as well as i can.
[17:34:57] <Bytram|afk> k
[17:35:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> i remember it's a setting you can set on a p tag though
[17:36:06] <Bytram|afk> hmm
[17:37:32] <stdhell> p { writing-mode: tb-rl; } ?
[17:37:41] <Bytram|afk> http://dev.w3.org
[17:37:43] <monopoly> Title: CSS Writing Modes Level 3
[17:37:55] <Bytram|afk> stdhell: nod nod.
[17:39:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> stderr, looks like, yep
[17:39:30] <Bytram|afk> see also: http://www.unicode.org
[17:39:31] <monopoly> Title: UAX #9: Unicode Bidirectional Algorithm
[17:40:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Too Late for Casey Kasem - http://sylnt.us - Farewell,-Shaggy
[17:41:08] <Bytram|afk> hey gang! I've had a lot of fun this morning!! thanks for everything! gtg; hope to check back in later.
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[18:24:20] <soylentpoutine> I give SN 4 more months until the top comment count on the front page is 5
[18:24:29] <soylentpoutine> instead of ~25, which it currently is
[18:25:53] <NCommander> Morning world
[18:26:02] <Blackmoore> Mornin NCommander
[18:34:49] <NCommander> Seems the community is not in pitchforks mode
[18:35:51] <n1> soylentpoutine, you must be looking at a different site..
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[18:45:53] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, you about?
[18:46:27] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: yup, for a bit
[18:46:29] <mrcoolbp> what's up?
[18:46:52] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, was wondering when you had meatspace time again
[18:47:24] <mrcoolbp> ug, NCommander: doesn't look good, I'm working M-F and I'm leaving for the Cape on Saturday (for a week)
[18:47:45] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: social call or trying to get shit done?
[18:47:49] <NCommander> The later
[18:48:16] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: s/later/latter/
[18:48:16] <SedBot> <mrcoolbp> <NCommander> The latter
[18:48:21] * NCommander smuggles himself in mrcoolbp's trunk and goes to the Cape
[18:48:27] <mrcoolbp> loll
[18:48:47] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: what are we tacking currently?
[18:48:55] <mrcoolbp> s/tacking/tackling/
[18:48:55] <SedBot> <mrcoolbp> NCommander: what are we tackling currently?
[18:49:16] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, final things for b incorporation, I think we have blessing from the powers that be
[18:49:23] <mrcoolbp> saw that
[18:49:53] <n1> the whole b incorporation thing was news to me in general, i found it very interesting.
[18:50:21] <NCommander> n1, had I known about B incorporation from day 1, that probably would have been the plan day 1
[18:50:47] <mrcoolbp> same
[18:50:51] <n1> it makes sense given the circumstances, i'm not surprised about the barrier to entry for non-profits
[18:52:36] <n1> i'm wondering if there's a similar type of incorporation for the UK, although i doubt it. I'd like the distinction for my own business.
[18:53:02] <NCommander> n1, from what I know about crown countries, abandon all hope? :-)
[18:53:25] <n1> heh, that sounds about right.
[18:56:01] <n1> seems like there is something similar in the UK, but from wikipedia it looks like the government creates them for their own reasons, rather than individuals intending to benefit society.
[18:56:16] * mrcoolbp needs a shower
[18:56:57] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: really the only time I could meet with you would be 12-2pm in $mytown on Wednesday or Thursday
[18:57:07] <mrcoolbp> BRB
[18:58:34] <NCommander> n1, create a non-for-profit then create a for profit under it?
[19:00:34] <n1> not sure how that would work, legally or ethically
[19:02:25] <NCommander> n1, its perfectly legal and common here
[19:02:34] <NCommander> :-)
[19:02:45] <NCommander> Then again, the United States is known is be a bit odd in this regard
[19:03:57] <n1> i'm trying to wrap my head around how it would work with the non-profit retaining any legitimacy
[19:05:20] <n1> seems like the perfect money laundering/tax evasion plan if it's technically legal and no one cares
[19:06:29] <NCommander> n1, depends if not-for-profits in your country are tax exempt :-)
[19:06:34] <NCommander> Ours (by default) aren't
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[19:09:40] <n1> Really don't know, i'm very thankful my business partner is able to take care of those kind of details. I just end up pondering and then taking his word on it when he shoots down my ideas, lol.
[19:11:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - DEA Accused of Obstructing Research on Marijuana Benefits - http://sylnt.us - keeping-themselves-in-business
[19:14:59] <n1> i don't know about the DEA, but it's in the mission statement for the Office of National Drug Control Policy, to oppose/obstruct anything that may lead to changing of the current situation.
[19:26:22] * mrcoolbp has to run out the door in a few minutes
[19:28:38] <LaminatorX> I don't know mrcoolbp, the door might settle down by then.
[19:32:27] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX: did you end up adding any editors to the team>
[19:32:28] <mrcoolbp> >
[19:32:30] <mrcoolbp> ?
[19:32:34] <mrcoolbp> (arg)
[19:33:00] <LaminatorX> We've got one practicing on dev, and another I need to follow up with some more.
[19:33:09] <mrcoolbp> cool
[19:38:57] <mrcoolbp> BBL guys, have fun
[19:41:13] <Blackmoore> https://www.techdirt.com
[19:41:14] <monopoly> Title: State Legislators Discussing Laws That Will Put Law Enforcement Surveillance Cameras Inside Private Businesses | Techdirt
[19:41:31] <Blackmoore> I'd LIKE to submit this - but it seems so Meta
[19:44:29] * n1 waits for article to load
[19:45:49] <n1> holy shit, A similar New York state bill would require that the videos be kept for one year.
[19:49:00] <n1> i find the story interesting, but that might be because i work in the industry.
[19:51:22] <Blackmoore> I find it interesting for lots of reasons, the mission creep and the cost to the businesses on the top of my list
[19:52:20] <n1> yeah, that as well - another burden on business and it's a policy that will only get expanded
[19:52:36] <n1> and the government gets a free pass, because they're not actioning it themselves but obligating private business to
[19:52:36] <Blackmoore> I'm sure the state will claim that convienence stores and gas stations already do this, but they did it as a way to arrest robbers. not record every customer
[19:53:08] <Blackmoore> and i love the "no warrent required" bit.
[19:53:15] <Blackmoore> bs.
[19:53:33] <n1> ANPR is useful for gas stations but yeah it is their own decision, for their own benefit
[19:53:39] <Blackmoore> so, i guess we have to run this.
[19:53:41] <n1> at least here they're not obligated to install it.
[19:53:45] <Blackmoore> but how?
[19:53:57] <n1> how to make a summary for it?
[19:54:22] <Blackmoore> I really WANT all the links. but I cant do that without just being a copy
[19:55:12] <n1> i'd say a rewrite of the first two paragraphs maybe with some detail from the rest of the article then have a list of the example links
[19:57:31] <n1> could probably incorporate the legislation links into the summary, or at least the three key ones.
[19:58:29] <TK> Here's an interesting bug report for ya
[19:59:01] <TK> I can change my troll modifier to +5
[19:59:12] <TK> or +6
[19:59:30] <TK> and it will put whomever I choose to the peak of troll-dom
[19:59:44] <TK> but it only subtracts one of my available mod points
[20:00:06] <TK> I'd like to think this is by design
[20:00:30] <TK> brb, modding all of NCommander's posts
[20:01:00] <Blackmoore> eh submitted. a hack. but submitted.
[20:01:46] <n1> thanks Blackmoore :)
[20:04:45] <n1> Blackmoore, the last two paragraphs your writing?
[20:04:45] <Landon> for you server people, linode has $10/mo plans
[20:04:46] <paulej72> TK: i think you misunderstand how the modifiers work. They just add what ever you set to the current score. so if you set troll to +2 and it is currently modded at -1 it will show up as +1, it will not affect the mods, even if you mod some one troll
[20:04:57] <Landon> could size down some of yuor underused servers
[20:06:33] <TK> Well sure, I get that
[20:06:58] <TK> But I can mod ten comments from -1 to +5
[20:07:42] <TK> "what's in a name" is all well and good, but "what's in a number" is a different story
[20:07:43] <AndyTheAbsurd> $10 a month for a VPS with 24GB storage? I may have to seriously look at moving my tinytinyrss and bashpodder stuff there; it may reduce my overall costs just based on how much I'm able to save in electricity from not having computers on all the time.
[20:08:20] <AndyTheAbsurd> TK: but that's just FOR YOU. Everyone else sees the comments based on THEIR modifiers.
[20:08:35] <TK> ah
[20:09:25] <paulej72> TK: you mod only shows up in the db as atandard -1 troll, but you then immeately see the +5 or +6 that you set on it to make it higher. It only shows that to you, everone else that does not modify troll see it as a -1 from what it was before.
[20:10:09] <n1> AndyTheAbsurd, i'm currently paying $17 for the cheapest VPS from 1&1, so it's tempting to switch...
[20:10:50] <TK> That does make a lot more sense
[20:11:38] <paulej72> What is the transfer limit on the $10 accounts
[20:12:26] <n1> 2TB outgoing
[20:13:29] <n1> 1 GB RAM - 1 CPU Core - 24 GB SSD Storage - 2 TB Transfer - 40 Gbit Network In - 125 Mbit Network Out
[20:15:54] <Blackmoore> @n1; taken from techdirt
[20:16:31] <TK> Makes me wonder about the purpose of +1 vs. +5 modifiers. Probably more useful as the sight becomes larger
[20:16:34] <n1> ok, thanks
[20:17:17] <Blackmoore> TK: yeah, by the time slash impemented this code they were easily 10 times the volume soylent is at
[20:17:35] <TK> Were they handing out mod points like candy as well?
[20:18:05] <TK> Personally-applicable modifiers that you can't apply at will?
[20:18:05] <Blackmoore> I don't really know - I never used to log in.
[20:18:38] <Blackmoore> but - byt the looks lof things - I would have to say yes.
[20:18:42] <TK> Weird legacy stuffs
[20:19:34] <Blackmoore> I don't recall articles from 96 with less than a couple hunderd comments, an 7-8 of those modded up to 4 or so.
[20:20:07] <Blackmoore> realize it was a pioneer of the format - it got a ton of traffic simply by not really having competition
[20:20:08] <paulej72> TK: some people hated that there were +5 funny comments and thought that funny should be rated lower. so with user modifiers, you can make +5 funny go to -1 an be off your view.
[20:21:52] <Blackmoore> and I do not recall how many new stories that they posted each day. as we all know the longer something is on the front page the more activity it will see
[20:22:31] * LaminatorX is still proud of his first Score 5 Funny comment.
[20:33:21] <Blackmoore> LaminatorX++
[20:33:21] <Bender> karma - laminatorx: 5
[20:34:11] <mattie_p> oops, someone inserted me in NCommander's article, it was previously and correctly matt_
[20:40:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SpaceX Driving Competition in Europe - http://sylnt.us - shooting-stuff-at-space-is-good
[20:57:42] <Blackmoore> hmm.. I may want to change to linode to host the MC server.
[20:58:19] <Blackmoore> it isnt like I cant script a backup and a daily reset, hmm.
[20:58:36] <NCommander> mattie_p, ?
[20:59:08] * NCommander is back, just walked from Medford to Downtown Boston :-)
[20:59:49] <Blackmoore> which sounds impressive.. but i have no idea how far that is..
[21:00:55] <LaminatorX> If it were Medford, Oregon it would be a heck of a feat.
[21:07:46] <NCommander> LaminatorX, I've been to Medford, OR ._.;
[21:08:22] <NCommander> LaminatorX, you're not an Oregonian by chance, are you?
[21:08:45] <LaminatorX> No, it's just one of the places I fling commercials at from the office.
[21:09:33] <NCommander> LaminatorX, I recommend a more fun venune, like Hell, MI
[21:10:00] <LaminatorX> They certainly have some sterling brand management.
[21:10:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> Medford to Boston isn't super far because the cities around Boston are freaking tiny
[21:10:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> you can go through four different municipalities in a twenty-minute drive without even trying
[21:12:33] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'd have recommended taking the T, though.
[21:12:47] <AndyTheAbsurd> also, cykros, don't you live in/near Boston?
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[21:24:35] <stdhell> Can any of you connect to 190.97.166.56 port 80?
[21:25:08] <LaminatorX> I get cgi-sys/defaultwebpage.cgi
[21:25:19] <n1> stdhell, yup
[21:25:40] <Blackmoore> default webpage
[21:26:34] <stdhell> Interesting...
[21:42:17] <NCommander> AndyTheAbsurd, I *really* hate taking the T
[21:42:24] <NCommander> AndyTheAbsurd, I dislike any public transit in Boston :-/
[21:44:40] <AndyTheAbsurd> Everybody who's got their own car dislikes public transit
[21:44:54] <Woods> There was a guy who rode the bus today, took him an hour and a half to get here.
[21:45:26] <AndyTheAbsurd> it takes me about 40 minutes to get to work by bus; it would be about a quarter that if I drove.
[21:46:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'm too cheap to buy another car right now, though; gonna wait until I can buy one outright rather than having to get a loan.
[21:46:22] <AndyTheAbsurd> I hate letting the magic of compound interest work for other people when it should be working for me. :)
[21:46:31] <Woods> I know right?
[21:46:48] * n1 has to take the train tomorrow :(
[21:48:03] <n1> AndyTheAbsurd, it's actually no cheaper for me to use public transport instead of a car. It's going to cost me around $35 for a round trip
[21:50:07] <Woods> n1: What about a square trip? #Dadjokes
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[21:54:47] <n1> too funny! :p
[21:55:03] <NCommander> AndyTheAbsurd, I don't have my own car right now
[21:55:15] <NCommander> Heck, everything I own fits in a single backpack
[21:59:17] <mattie_p> NCommander: someone edited your article to indicate that I suggested B Corp, previous draft said it was matt_ and since I wasn't there it was likely him
[22:00:00] <NCommander> mattie_p, it was either janrinok, or Woods according to the edit log
[22:00:01] <NCommander> :-/
[22:00:02] <n1> i think the reason for that edit was, excluding the last couple of posts from NC, i'd never heard of matt_ so i assume other editors havn't either.
[22:00:25] <soylentpoutine> I'm willing to buy soylentnews for .5 bitcoins, I will proceed to shut it down after that, please let me know if that offer is ever acceptable
[22:00:35] <mattie_p> matt_ is the man who saved our domain name during the purchase/hostage situation of the domains
[22:00:48] <NCommander> n1, matt_ isn't super active, but he's been helping us with incorporation stuff
[22:00:49] <mattie_p> its an easy error to make
[22:01:01] <n1> that makes sense
[22:01:15] <NCommander> He's de-facto staff, but only is involved with the business side of things (its a bit of a hard relation to define)
[22:01:28] <n1> but it i didn't know that until now and i'm pretty sure the other eds wouldn't have either.
[22:01:34] <n1> just my theory anyways
[22:01:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Edward Snowden, Robot - http://sylnt.us - SN-is-robots-too
[22:02:24] <NCommander> soylentpoutine, thank you for your offer, but I don't think we're ready to sell out yet
[22:02:48] <Woods> Hm? Oh. Yeah I have never heard the name, that was me. Sorry!
[22:03:07] <soylentpoutine> The offer is open always NCommander
[22:03:25] * n1 wonders if soylentpoutine pickets other startups on the basis most are doomed to fail.
[22:03:48] <soylentpoutine> n1, I like schadenfreude
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[22:04:06] <n1> or indeed any business starting up on the local main street "8/10 business fail in the first 2 years" sign
[22:04:16] <matt_> hi!
[22:04:44] <n1> hi, matt_!
[22:05:05] <n1> it's nice to put a name to the name ;)
[22:05:34] <soylentpoutine> I recently got in some arguments with some folks in a bug tracker on mozilla. Eric Meyer's daughter died of cancer, and the CSS community thought it'd be cute to file bugs with every browser that 'beccapurple' does not result in color code #663399
[22:05:39] <matt_> i guess if things are going well, and it doesn't seem like i'm doing anything, then by definition, i must be doing a really good job ;-)
[22:05:44] <soylentpoutine> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org
[22:05:46] <monopoly> Title: 1024642 – Map "beccapurple" to #663399 in named color list.
[22:05:47] <soylentpoutine> What a stupid idea
[22:06:02] <soylentpoutine> matt_, you've never been to montreal right?
[22:06:06] soylentpoutine is now known as poutine
[22:06:11] <mattie_p> heya matt_!
[22:06:19] <poutine> or on DALnet
[22:06:21] <matt_> soylentpoutine, that's correct.
[22:06:26] <poutine> ok
[22:06:39] <matt_> mattie_p, hi! how's it going?
[22:07:04] <mattie_p> matt_: packing up the house to move, so been busy here
[22:07:16] <matt_> oh yes, i hear you're moving east.
[22:07:29] <mattie_p> thanks for all your help with incorporation, I wish I could help with all that but I'm focused on this now
[22:07:53] <mattie_p> yup, heading to western NY, mostly to be close to family
[22:08:14] <matt_> nice.
[22:08:22] <NCommander> mattie_p, where in Western NY?
[22:09:13] <mattie_p> NCommander: Batavia: small town between Buffalo and Rochester
[22:09:38] <poutine> wow, nothing of value there
[22:10:23] <mattie_p> except family, which is impossible to put a pricetag on, poutine
[22:10:32] <poutine> you can always tell who has given up on leading a successful and fruitful life by people who don't have SFC, Los Angeles, or NYC zip codes
[22:10:51] <n1> youre not even trying now, poutine.
[22:10:53] <mattie_p> I am assuming you mean value == currency
[22:11:26] <poutine> I've been through buffalo and rochester, seen all between on I-91, there's nothing of value there, currency or quality of life wise
[22:11:32] <poutine> winters there are brutal
[22:11:34] <mattie_p> n1: its kind of cute, actually. doesn't bother me at all
[22:12:09] <n1> i just appreciate when some effort is put into being a douche, that was just a really weak.
[22:12:49] <mattie_p> n1 it might be the best poutine knows how to do, so I accept it in the spirit given :)
[22:13:00] <n1> heh
[22:17:03] <Blackmoore> mattie_p: looks like I'll see if we can get the WNY people togetehr some night in July. lookslike there are at laest 4 of us
[22:17:22] <mattie_p> Blackmoore sounds like a plan, I'd love to get there if I can.
[22:17:43] <mattie_p> later in the month would be better than sooner for me
[22:18:13] <Blackmoore> yeah, late month is better for me too.
[22:19:49] <Blackmoore> and I91 is noplace near buffalo. but whatever, if you were looking for "culture" you had better address the crap in your fridge that is protesting for voting rights.
[22:20:22] <mattie_p> I suspect poutine meant I-90, didn't feel the need to correct that particular error
[22:20:39] <Blackmoore> yeah. but I felt like lambasting him.
[22:21:01] <NCommander> mattie_p, I know where that is
[22:21:15] <mattie_p> oh sure, Blackmoore, I can understand that feeling very well
[22:21:38] <Blackmoore> and as for culture we have plenty around here - you just have to be a local to know about it.
[22:22:03] <mattie_p> last time I visited we went to the jello museum :)
[22:22:03] <NCommander> poutine, I-90; New York Turnpike, I-91 is in New Hampshire. Also, Niagara Falls, the Anchor Bar, and a fair other bit of things would diasgree with you
[22:22:16] <NCommander> Home of Kodak, Xerox, Paychex, and a bunch of other companies, end points of the Erie Canal
[22:27:45] <NCommander> mattie_p, Blackmoore: I'd be up for revisiting WNY
[22:27:49] * NCommander misses his old stomping grounds
[22:28:18] <Blackmoore> I'd name off 5-10 museums and theatres, but - clearly that's not cultural..
[22:28:19] <mattie_p> NCommander you're up for visiting almost anything at any time tho
[22:29:46] <Blackmoore> well, lets start with the idea of something in the middle of the week, either the last or 2nd last week of july.
[22:30:14] <Blackmoore> (i'll be working on weekends at the ren faire so those days are out for me)
[22:31:27] <mattie_p> oh, our family loves ren faires, we'll have to go
[22:32:06] <NCommander> mattie_p, well, yes. I'll go anywhere to meet folks
[22:33:48] <mattie_p> sounds good, I'd love to buy you a beer and catch up
[22:37:44] * NCommander sees himself on Amtrak to Rochester or Buffalo soonish >:-)
[22:38:06] <NCommander> My trip back to NYC will push me over the threshold for Amtrak Select status
[22:39:44] <Blackmoore> well Sterling starts on 7/5. the train doesnt stop there of course.
[22:40:04] <janrinok> re: your question at 2159 - it wasn't me!
[22:44:09] <janrinok> Ah, backreading the log I see that Woods has confessed!
[22:44:52] <Woods> Guilty as charged.
[22:45:27] <janrinok> hi Woods - I see that you have now met matt_
[22:45:35] <matt_> Woods, no worries, and hi!
[22:46:02] <Woods> Oh hi Matt_, I thought you were Mattie_p. You two look so much alike, do you share ancestry?
[22:46:05] <janrinok> hi, how's things with you ? its been weeks since I've seen/heard you around.
[22:46:38] <matt_> Woods, not that i know of :) i think we have a few other stealth matts here, as well.
[22:46:53] <mattie_p> yes, matt_ and I are brothers, actually. :p same first name, different last name. That's how we do it in our family
[22:46:58] <Woods> Oh no, the Matts are taking over!
[22:47:04] <Woods> I knew it.
[22:47:28] <matt_> janrinok, going well. i met NC irl the other day.
[22:47:45] <Woods> Matt_: Is he tall?
[22:47:57] <janrinok> Yeah, I saw that mentioned. I was beginning to think that nobody was real on IRC....
[22:48:19] <matt_> about my height, i think. he was weighed down by an enormous backpack at the time, which may have compressed him a bit.
[22:48:57] <Woods> !grab mattie_p
[22:48:57] <Bender> Added quote 186
[22:49:12] <Woods> You know, for the record.
[22:49:29] <mattie_p> Sure, no problem, glad that's settled now for posterity
[22:49:33] <Woods> lol
[22:50:25] <janrinok> how to give useless info on IRC - 'about my height' from a man that Woods didn't know existed a couple of hour ago!
[22:50:33] <n1> lol
[22:51:34] <matt_> janrinok, about average height, then ;-)
[22:51:41] <Woods> And yet, I trust him... Must be the Matt_/Mattie_p connection that makes him so believable.
[22:51:44] <janrinok> rofl
[22:51:44] <exec> Hear about...
[22:51:45] <exec> the freaky WAC who was court-martialed for contributing to the
[22:51:45] <exec> delinquency of a major?
[22:53:26] <janrinok> I live in NW France where the average height is significantly less than the rest of France - even _I_ feel tall here!
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[22:54:37] <Woods> Janrinok: You have piqued my curiosity now, what is the average height in that area?
[22:55:54] <janrinok> Well I am 169cm / 5' 8" - and I frequently have to duck entering shops or peoples' homes. To the local breton farmers, crossing a ploughed field is like hill walking!
[22:56:20] <Woods> Really? Wow! That is crazy.
[22:57:03] <Blackmoore> http://popchartlab.com
[22:57:04] <monopoly> Title: Pop Chart Lab --> Design + Data = Delight --> The Compendious Coffee Chart
[22:57:07] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[22:57:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 252
[22:57:08] <janrinok> I reckon that some of the local model for those garden gnomes that you see in some gardens...
[22:57:23] <Woods> No doubt.
[22:57:36] <Blackmoore> I think I need to be the contrary guy who installs a garden Giant
[22:57:42] <Subsentient> So that's how my gnome ate my BBQ chips....
[22:57:43] <Blackmoore> garen troll?
[22:57:44] * janrinok daft thing to say - where else would one see garden gnomes....?
[22:57:57] <Woods> I would be a giant to them, if you have to duck to enter buildings, my shoulders might brush the door frame.
[22:58:21] <Subsentient> I'm pretty tall but many are taller.
[22:58:34] <Subsentient> Like 6'3 I think
[22:59:00] <janrinok> Modern houses are fine, but the traditional cottages can cause a red mark across the forehead for the unwary.
[22:59:11] <Woods> Yeah
[23:00:50] <janrinok> well - time for my bed. cu guys tomorrow.
[23:01:00] <mattie_p> later janrinok
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[23:01:15] <matt_> janrinok, goodnight
[23:01:16] <NCommander> matt_, so we just need to figure out the next steps, but I think everything can go quickly from here
[23:01:22] <matt_> sounds good
[23:01:28] <NCommander> Subsentient, I'm envious, I'm 5'10 :-/
[23:01:42] <Subsentient> NCommander: I keep hitting my head on the way down the stairs.
[23:01:44] <janrinok> NCommander: perfectly normal, in my opinion
[23:01:47] <Subsentient> Not much to envy.
[23:01:59] <NCommander> I would have liked to make 5'11 or 6'0.
[23:02:12] * NCommander is just a half-inch shorter than my father, though I tower over my mother
[23:02:21] <Subsentient> ahh
[23:02:26] <Subsentient> I tower over my mother too :^)
[23:02:38] <mattie_p> I'm 6'2" or 6'3", depending on the day and who measures
[23:02:42] <Subsentient> Ofc if you want self-esteem, travel to asia and compare height :^3
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[23:08:09] <randmcnatt> rand
[23:09:18] <Woods> 6' 4" bitches
[23:09:41] <Woods> I am slightly taller than everyone else (According to me, who none of you have met, or seen)
[23:09:54] <NCommander> Subsentient, honestly, I didn't feel like I towered over anyone when I lived in the PRC
[23:10:06] <NCommander> My headmaster of my high school though was a freaking giant
[23:10:07] <NCommander> 7'2
[23:10:14] <Woods> He wins.
[23:10:28] <NCommander> Well, my high school was a converted walkup in midtown Manhattan
[23:10:37] <NCommander> So low ceilings, narrow halls
[23:10:45] <NCommander> I think he had a permament crick in his neck from it
[23:11:33] <NCommander> Heh, there's a picture of him on the school's site: http://www.beekmanschool.org
[23:12:29] <NCommander> It was a really different school, we were on first name basis with our teachers/staff
[23:12:39] <Subsentient> How fast do you type?
[23:12:48] <Subsentient> I got 68 WPM on 10fastfingers
[23:12:50] <Woods> His hand is huuuge relative to that mouse, I can see how tall he is even though he is sitting.
[23:13:20] <NCommander> Woods, yeah. No one liked going to the headmasters office because you feel *tiny*
[23:13:24] <NCommander> Like really tiny
[23:13:27] <Woods> lol
[23:13:34] <Woods> It probably really helped nail in his authority.
[23:13:39] <NCommander> Subsentient, I haven't measured it in awile, but I think it was close to 100 WPM for me
[23:14:03] <Woods> http://play.typeracer.com
[23:14:04] <monopoly> Title: TypeRacer - Test your typing speed and learn to type faster. Free typing game and competition. Way more fun than a typing tutor!
[23:14:35] <Subsentient> Ahh I just took again and got 74 WPM
[23:15:00] <Woods> Improvement already.
[23:15:07] <Subsentient> I guess it depends on what I'm doing.
[23:15:18] <Subsentient> For example I'm quite slow on punctuation
[23:15:21] <NCommander> Subsentient, Words per minute (WPM) 94
[23:15:21] <NCommander> Keystrokes 471
[23:15:21] <NCommander> (471 | 0)
[23:15:31] <Subsentient> and since I don't use home row my fingers can easily get 'misaligned'
[23:15:38] <Subsentient> NCommander: Impressive.
[23:15:44] <Subsentient> I am green with envy.
[23:15:46] <NCommander> You are better than 97.23% of all users (position 3190 of 115124 - last 24 hours)
[23:16:02] <NCommander> Subsentient, this keyboard isn't great for typing on. On my desktop, I usually peak 110
[23:16:02] <Subsentient> Let me see how fast I can type
[23:16:07] <Subsentient> I farted and ti smelled like cheese
[23:16:11] <Subsentient> I farted and it smelled lioke cheese
[23:16:15] <Subsentient> I farted and it smelled like chees
[23:16:21] <Subsentient> I farted and it smelled like cheese
[23:16:22] <NCommander> mrcoolbp has seen how I type
[23:16:32] * NCommander notes he got to watch me crap out a SN novel in about 20 minutes
[23:16:34] <Subsentient> This is my best keyboard.
[23:16:34] <crutchy|zzz> woohoo 43 wpm!
[23:16:40] <crutchy|zzz> (in the dark)
[23:16:46] <NCommander> I tried switching to dvoark a few years ago
[23:16:48] <Subsentient> crutchy|zzz: Not terrible :^_)
[23:16:49] <Subsentient> :^)
[23:16:54] <NCommander> Got up to about 40 WPM, then went back to QWERTY
[23:17:10] <crutchy|zzz> i can't touch type to save myself
[23:17:10] <Woods> NCommander: Ditto.
[23:17:14] <Subsentient> QWERTY isn't as bad as people would have you believe.
[23:17:25] <NCommander> I've touchtyped since elementary school
[23:17:26] <matt_> 93wpm, 466|6 keystrokes yay!
[23:17:28] <Subsentient> It's not a good design but it will suffice and it's so universal that anything else would be nonproductive.
[23:17:32] <crutchy|zzz> and laptops are pieces of shit for touch typing anyway
[23:17:35] <Woods> Subsentient: It only makes sense for typewriters.
[23:17:42] <NCommander> I was excused from typing classes because I was faster than the instructor
[23:17:54] <Woods> Lucky
[23:17:55] <Subsentient> I can type with my eyes closed like I just did just now.
[23:18:09] <Subsentient> I farted and it smelled like cheese
[23:18:10] <Woods> I just got ahead of the class, but the teacher had me restart the lessons from the beginning.
[23:18:11] <Subsentient> see?
[23:18:15] * NCommander is a touch typist
[23:18:19] <NCommander> Don't have to look at all
[23:18:40] <Subsentient> same
[23:18:50] <Subsentient> just need to get aligned
[23:18:53] <NCommander> I think I learned to type primarily on my first PC, which was an ancient 386
[23:19:07] * NCommander used to do his homework with WordPerfect 5.1
[23:19:21] <NCommander> If WP was still available for Linux, I'd be sorely tempted to buy it
[23:19:23] <NCommander> Reveal Marks FTW
[23:19:44] <Subsentient> I just noticed that the J nd F keys have these little bumps
[23:19:59] <Subsentient> lol
[23:20:48] <NCommander> I've been tempted to sit down and learn how to use LaTeX for typing
[23:21:04] <NCommander> Occassionally I'll use troff for things like documentation using man page macros
[23:21:36] <Subsentient> Hmm, Occasionally I poke around vim but usually I prefer a text editor that works like a text editor. Emacs doesn't work right for me either.
[23:21:41] <Woods> Subsentient: That is how you tell when you are on the home row. :P
[23:21:54] <Subsentient> Woods: yep I figured
[23:22:40] <Subsentient> I am using a cheap recycled Korean plastic keyboard with no name, but...
[23:22:47] <Subsentient> it's the besst keyboard I ever saw
[23:22:52] <Subsentient> The key travel is perfect
[23:22:55] <Subsentient> the feel is perfect.
[23:22:59] <Subsentient> The sound is perfect.
[23:23:03] <Subsentient> It's a perfect keyboard.
[23:23:13] <Subsentient> And it probably cost 11cents to manufacture/.
[23:24:00] <Subsentient> ...
[23:24:05] <Subsentient> It is an absurdly great keyboard.
[23:24:10] <Subsentient> I just wish I had the manufacturer.
[23:24:13] <Subsentient> I'd buy more.
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[23:27:31] <Subsentient> OH FUCK!
[23:27:34] <Subsentient> Guys!
[23:27:36] <Subsentient> I found it!
[23:27:37] <Subsentient> Here!
[23:27:37] <Subsentient> http://www.rakuten.com
[23:27:38] <monopoly> Title: iMicro Basic USB English Keyboard - Cable - Black - Retail - USB - English - Computer - Rakuten.com Shopping
[23:27:40] <Subsentient> Buy that!
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[23:31:47] * NCommander mulls things
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[23:34:11] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v Bytram|away] by juggler
[23:34:21] <NCommander> https://www.projectwonderful.com
[23:34:22] <NCommander> rhits=&referrer=&referrerdays=1&referrerany=1&countrypercentage=&countrytype=0&country=&c=1&sfw=1&nsfw=1&adult=1&adrating=6&graphical=2&approval=0&mincols=&maxcols=&submit=1
[23:34:27] <NCommander> Holy long link
[23:36:41] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[23:39:26] * NCommander is figuring shit out
[23:40:39] * Bytram thinks there is a unicode character for that
[23:40:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cognitive Enhancement is Ethically Risky Business - http://sylnt.us - ethics-are-bad-for-business
[23:41:03] * Subsentient has crashed from a chocolate-caffeine binge
[23:41:13] * Subsentient drank cocoa powder in water for energy two hours ago
[23:41:57] * Bytram used to eat it dry on boy scout camping trips when waiting for the fire to build up enough to boil water; too hungry to wait!
[23:43:08] <NCommander> Bytram, there's always a unicode char for everything :-P
[23:43:15] <NCommander> Bytram, speaking of which, how goes abusing UTF-8 on dev?
[23:43:20] <Bytram> NCommander: 💩
[23:44:14] <NCommander> DO't see anything with that
[23:44:37] <Bytram> took a break after this AM to meet up with some friends and catch a nap; so not much since then...
[23:44:52] <Bytram> only have about 15-30 minutes before heading out again.
[23:45:01] <Bytram> NCommander: http://www.fileformat.info
[23:45:02] <monopoly> Title: Unicode Character 'PILE OF POO' (U+1F4A9)
[23:45:06] <Bytram> =)
[23:45:39] * NCommander gorans
[23:45:49] <Bytram> LOL!
[23:46:05] <NCommander> So, for the last week
[23:46:09] <Bytram> NCommander: if you groan enough and keep pushing, you can make one of your very own!
[23:46:09] <NCommander> 56578 pageviews, 41743 unique pageviews
[23:46:12] <Bytram> :/
[23:46:20] * NCommander notes if we have to sell ads, that's going to help
[23:46:24] <Bytram> hmm, what time period?
[23:47:57] <Bytram> NCommander: was that over a single day? week? month?
[23:47:58] <NCommander> Bytram, well, I was looking at Project Wonderful for ads
[23:48:01] <NCommander> Bytram, one week
[23:48:09] <NCommander> (Sunday to Sunday)
[23:48:12] <Bytram> not bad at all!
[23:48:13] <NCommander> http://tinyurl.com
[23:48:32] <Bytram> sry; don't go to those things... matter of principal and safety.
[23:51:12] <Bytram> away for a bit
[23:51:42] <TheMightyBuzzard|Away> NCommander, are those numbers aren't even counting https visits? i know palemoon refuses to show mixed http/https content unless you allow it every time
[23:52:08] <TheMightyBuzzard|Away> s/aren't//
[23:52:09] <SedBot> <TheMightyBuzzard|Away> NCommander, are those numbers even counting https visits? i know palemoon refuses to show mixed http/https content unless you allow it every time
[23:53:49] TheMightyBuzzard|Away is now known as TheMightyBuzzard
[23:54:03] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, https visits are excluded due to the SSL cert snafu
[23:54:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> bummer
[23:54:55] Subsentient is now known as supercalifragilisticexpialidoc
[23:55:01] supercalifragilisticexpialidoc is now known as Subsentient
[23:55:08] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, it will hopefully be fixed soon
[23:56:04] <NCommander> matt_, you got email
[23:56:47] <matt_> k
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[23:57:26] * NCommander is reviewing the B-corp bylaws
[23:57:55] <Bytram> matt_: Hey! Good to "see" you!
[23:58:09] <matt_> Bytram, hi! how's it going?
[23:58:13] <Bytram> Wish I could stay to chat, but had to say "Hi!"
[23:58:29] <Bytram> on vacation this week; took two naps today... feeling mostly human again!
[23:58:32] <Bytram> you?
[23:59:10] <matt_> Good. nice weather equals good mood.
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[23:59:47] <matt_> NCommander, do you want to try for a meeting today or do you want more time to review?
[23:59:48] <Bytram> you got that right! One of the nicest days in a *long* time!