#Soylent | Logs for 2014-06-13

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[00:10:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tizen OS Declared 'Dead in the Water' - http://sylnt.us - article-titles-that-are-also-songs-I-like
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[00:36:58] <blackmoore|afk> gnight
[00:37:03] <arti> nite nite
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[01:05:14] <Ethanol-fueled> 'sup.
[01:06:19] <Ethanol-fueled> ching chang chingon.
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[01:30:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The FBI and Its New Facial Recognition Database - http://sylnt.us - lipstick-and-a-beard-is-the-best-disguise
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[02:50:33] <DrMag> Ok, I need to stop being distracted and get some work done. Closing down-- goodnight, everyone.
[02:50:40] <juggs> grrr some piece of my electronica has developed a really annoying high pitched whine and I can't track it down, it's evading me
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[02:50:47] <juggs> night Dr
[02:51:11] <juggs> ahhh... too late as always
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[03:01:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Lifetime Costs for Autism Spectrum Disorder May Reach $2.4 Million per Patient - http://sylnt.us - The-Long-Quiet
[03:10:11] <arti> lol
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[03:52:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Government to Sell $18 Million Worth of Bitcoin from Silk Road Seizure - http://sylnt.us - Easy-Go
[04:05:27] <mrcoolbp> $seen xlefay
[04:05:27] <aqu4> I last saw xlefay at 2014-05-03 00:39:51 UTC in #soylent. Their most recent message is " Order alone : 5"
[04:09:41] <juggs> :(
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[05:14:52] <SpallsHurgenson> <yawn>
[05:15:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, me too
[05:16:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> bout to do the sleep thing n recharge the brain so i can get the last bit of unicode working tomorrow then start finding out what it broke.
[05:16:57] <SpallsHurgenson> seems like you are doing things the hard way
[05:17:10] <SpallsHurgenson> skip the working bit and get right to the bit where it is broken :)
[05:17:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i figure there's a good chance it'll break mail or something.
[05:18:17] <SpallsHurgenson> excellent, so you're all set! Time for a beer!
[05:20:09] <SpallsHurgenson> if only all our days could go that smoothly :)
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[05:27:59] <SpallsHurgenson> you know what would make my life go more smoothly? If I had a main battle tank.
[05:32:16] <SpallsHurgenson> it's not too much to ask for, a tank, is it?
[05:33:36] <juggs> wth would you do with a tank? Go shopping?
[05:34:02] <SpallsHurgenson> do you know how many groceries you can pack into a tank?
[05:37:32] <SpallsHurgenson> plus you never have to worry about some jerk darting in front of you and stealing your parking spot :)
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[05:51:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - When Too Much Coding Can Kill - http://sylnt.us - Whackathon
[06:09:48] <chromas> from the whackathons-produce-a-different-sort-of-code dept
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[06:33:04] <NCommander> arti, not really
[06:33:16] <NCommander> arti, I've been know to threaten uncorperative hardware with disassembly
[06:47:29] <arti> i usually smash something in front of the malfunctioning device
[06:52:32] <juggs> I tend to try to avoid people who get to the point of being angry to the point of violence toward their hardware. That's not really sane if you stop and think about it.
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[06:56:24] <arti> beats talking to it
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[06:59:13] * mrcoolbp is in the recording studio in an all-night mixing session
[06:59:24] <juggs> well, except you're out a bit of hardware that is now non-functional. AND no further forward.
[06:59:42] <juggs> What you recording mrcoolbp ?
[07:02:35] <arti> everything i type on the internet is true
[07:02:49] <arti> even the fake email addresses
[07:06:00] <juggs> can I vote for you - you seem so honest!
[07:09:00] <mrcoolbp> juggs: a rock album
[07:11:26] <juggs> mrcoolbp, performing or sound engineering / mixing / all that other soundly stuff that no-one appreciates ?
[07:11:33] <Subsentient> I talk to my servers. They talk to me too. Do you think I'm pretty, mommy?
[07:19:46] <juggs> Only when you wear the suspenders - now get to bed, mommy needs to decay a little.
[07:20:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - What a Warp-Speed Spaceship Might Look Like - http://sylnt.us - its-nice-to-dream
[07:29:09] <mrcoolbp> juggs: I'm the (lead) guitarist, I'm here with the engineer for a mixing session
[07:29:23] <arti> have any stuff on soundcloud?
[07:29:36] <mrcoolbp> yeah, but it's stuff we recorded ourselves
[07:29:42] <mrcoolbp> still okay but...
[07:29:44] <arti> link me sometime
[07:29:49] <mrcoolbp> this will be rediculous
[07:30:09] <mrcoolbp> you guys like modern heavy rock? (like tool, alice in chains, perl jam etc.) ?
[07:30:40] <arti> ya
[07:30:41] <mrcoolbp> it's progressive, dynamic, sometimes heavy
[07:31:04] <mrcoolbp> arti, I can give you a sneak peak (rough mix) of one song if you want
[07:31:08] <mrcoolbp> PM me your email
[07:31:38] <mrcoolbp> acutally
[07:32:41] <mrcoolbp> it's crazy sitting in this studio, so much gear
[07:32:50] <mrcoolbp> blinking lights, meters, etc
[07:33:02] <juggs> sooo many knobs and sliders
[07:33:10] <mrcoolbp> mmm knobs
[07:33:18] <juggs> errr
[07:33:50] <mrcoolbp> = )
[07:34:11] <juggs> whatever works for you
[07:34:52] <juggs> Now where can we get this musac?
[07:36:34] <mrcoolbp> juggs check PM
[07:36:41] <mrcoolbp> this is my view right now: http://imgur.com
[07:36:41] <monopoly> Title: imgur: the simple image sharer
[07:39:34] <mrcoolbp> it's a dream to be here
[07:42:10] <juggs> yum... amps!!! Surprised the sound desk is in the studio though
[07:42:28] <mrcoolbp> what "sound deck"?
[07:42:35] <mrcoolbp> er desk
[07:44:48] <mrcoolbp> juggs: not sure what you are reffering to
[07:47:04] <juggs> the laptop setup in the middle of the shot.
[07:47:28] <juggs> Or is mixing desk out of shot
[07:48:30] <mrcoolbp> that's the laptop I'm typing on, he made a make-shift desk for me as I'll be here for the next 10.5 hours
[07:48:46] <mrcoolbp> most of the time I just sit here until he needs to run something by me
[07:55:06] <juggs> You're the (lead) guitarist. You turn up when you want, mostly in a feckedd up state, lay down your track and jet back to hookers and coke as and when. You gotta think of your image! You can't be seen to be sitting waiting for others. Unless your are in Yngwie J or Satriani realms, go out get laid before it goes to embers,
[07:56:50] <mrcoolbp> juggs: BRB
[08:04:23] <juggs> I sure hop he didn't go top himself
[08:07:54] <swiss> sr20det++
[08:07:54] <Bender> karma - sr20det: 17
[08:09:18] <mrcoolbp> juggs: sounds about right
[08:13:15] <pbnjoe> do accepted submissions no longer give karma?
[08:13:50] <pbnjoe> won't change anything, just curious
[08:15:44] <JamesNZ> How do they survive?!??? https://imgur.com
[08:15:44] <monopoly> Title: 34 Reasons as to why Australia is the most dangerous country - Imgur
[08:15:45] <JamesNZ> :P
[08:20:36] <juggs> mrcoolbp, those samples sound really good if a little Creed'ish being heavy on the vocals. Bring forth the guitar solo within you and the world is your oyster when it comes to rock.
[08:22:11] <mrcoolbp> thanks, it's still rough, can't wait to hear this thing finished
[08:38:06] <juggs> Al[]
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[08:38:19] <juggs> nec
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[09:01:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Lies that Bind - Simulations Reveal How White Lies Glue Society Together and Black Lies Disrupt - http://sylnt.us - do-you-think-i'm-attractive?
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[09:38:45] <mrcoolbp> hey crutchy
[09:38:57] <crutchy> g'day
[09:39:16] <arti> g'day
[09:39:33] <crutchy> yay finished work for the week
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[09:40:19] <crutchy> did i miss anything cool?
[09:40:24] <crutchy> or warm?
[09:40:48] <crutchy> or gently simmered?
[09:41:47] <crutchy> has anyone hacked my stupid bot yet?
[09:43:31] <arti> no, you're good
[09:44:45] <crutchy> damn. thats no fun
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[09:45:56] <crutchy> i think there's some terminal stuff missing from the log: http://irciv.port119.net
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[09:46:03] <crutchy> might add it tonight
[09:48:57] <crutchy> ...and i think my webserver clock is borked
[09:49:12] <arti> just have it randomly reply with times
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[10:20:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Comcast Turns Private Homes into Public Hotspots - http://sylnt.us - investing-in-infrastructure
[10:22:02] <crutchy> Bender: s/ublic/orn/
[10:22:02] <SedBot> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Comcast Turns Private Homes into Porn Hotspots - http://sylnt.us - investing-in-infrastructure
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[11:00:43] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:00:43] <Bender> karma - coffee: 240
[11:34:07] <mrcoolbp> coffee++
[11:34:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 241
[11:37:36] <mrcoolbp> ah, pullin' an all nighter, I feel like I'm 29 again
[11:38:29] <crutchy> what time there?
[11:40:18] <mrcoolbp> 5:40am
[11:40:26] * mrcoolbp notes he's only 30
[11:40:47] <mrcoolbp> ~time melbourne
[11:40:49] <exec> [Google] 7:40pm Friday (EST) - Time in Melbourne VIC, Australia
[11:40:57] <mrcoolbp> ~time France
[11:40:58] <exec> [Google] 11:40am Friday (CEST) - Time in France
[11:52:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Zealand School Tries Recess With No Rules - http://sylnt.us - we-could-start-a-riot
[12:01:36] <crutchy> i was born in march '82
[12:01:47] <crutchy> does that make me 32?
[12:01:53] <crutchy> i think
[12:02:11] <crutchy> or 33
[12:04:30] * mrcoolbp thinks it depends on the month
[12:05:21] <mrcoolbp> but it might be 31/32, dunno, I'm pretty tired/distracted
[12:08:14] <Subsentient> It's 78, you insensitive clod!
[12:12:01] <mrcoolbp> ah, thanks
[12:12:32] * crutchy is feeling 78 lately
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[12:23:18] <crutchy> wb mrcoolbp
[12:24:04] <mrcoolbp> lol, internet is weird here
[12:24:11] <mrcoolbp> is it saying "ping timeout"
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[12:34:53] <crutchy> hi chromas,moropory
[12:35:30] <chromas> Hey crutchy
[12:35:41] <crutchy> ~rm-source scripts/feeds.atom
[12:35:46] <chromas> /e Hey crutchy
[12:35:46] <monopoly> Hey crutchy
[12:36:05] <crutchy> ~list-auth
[12:36:06] <exec> ~q ~reload ~dest-override ~dest-clear ~buckets-dump ~buckets-save ~buckets-load ~buckets-flush ~buckets-list ~monitor ~restart ~get-source ~del-source
[12:36:07] <exec> ~say ~bucket ~wiki ~ping ~test-rss ~civ-admin ~civ-map
[12:36:17] <crutchy> ~del-source scripts/feeds.atom
[12:36:19] <exec> file "/var/include/vhosts/irciv.us.to/inc/scripts/feeds.atom" not found
[12:37:08] <crutchy> ~del-source scripts/atom.feeds
[12:37:10] <exec> file "/var/include/vhosts/irciv.us.to/inc/scripts/atom.feeds" successfully deleted
[12:37:44] <chromas> ~bucket-spill
[12:38:06] <chromas> ~finger-slip
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[12:40:34] <crutchy> ~get-source scripts/feeds.txt
[12:40:37] <exec> successfully downloaded "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/crutchy-/test/master/scripts/feeds.txt" to "/var/include/vhosts/irciv.us.to/inc/scripts/feeds.txt"
[12:41:20] <crutchy> ~get-source scripts/feeds.php
[12:41:23] <exec> successfully downloaded "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/crutchy-/test/master/scripts/feeds.php" to "/var/include/vhosts/irciv.us.to/inc/scripts/feeds.php"
[12:41:24] <monopoly> Filetype: PHP script, ASCII text (92 lines, 2 KiB)
[12:41:39] <crutchy> i really need to automate this shit
[12:42:13] <chromas> Maybe abbreviate the output
[12:42:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:42:16] <Bender> karma - coffee: 242
[12:42:55] <crutchy> i was thinking of maybe scraping my github repo page and extracting the filenames and downloading them all
[12:43:12] <crutchy> using something like ~get-source *
[12:43:30] <chromas> Not calling git from the script?
[12:43:47] <crutchy> no
[12:44:14] <crutchy> atm very basic
[12:44:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think you're missing a prime opportunity to pun git and get
[12:44:51] <crutchy> https://github.com
[12:44:52] <monopoly> Title: test/irc.php at master · crutchy-/test · GitHub
[12:44:54] <chromas> Haha, I git it
[12:45:10] <crutchy> i'm not from new zealand
[12:45:13] <crutchy> :-P
[12:45:20] <crutchy> hmm that would be gut
[12:45:36] <crutchy> or get for git
[12:45:39] <crutchy> fuck i dunno lol
[12:45:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> me either, i just read too much pratchett
[12:45:50] * chromas doesn't care for the amorphous blob that is the palemoon icon
[12:46:19] <crutchy> how 'bout a foot?
[12:46:34] <crutchy> gnome's logo kinda reminds me of toe cheese *shudders*
[12:46:57] <chromas> Should have a mouth next to it
[12:47:26] <crutchy> with a beard
[12:47:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be worse. could be a guy's bare ass
[12:47:27] <chromas> Always takes a couple iterations through the taskbar to find palemoon
[12:47:34] <crutchy> or a goatse
[12:47:51] <chromas> That's the opera logo
[12:48:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> har
[12:48:02] <crutchy> lol
[12:48:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'why i have my shat in a specific order in the launch bar. easy to miss a blue circle.
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[12:50:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> What do we want? Coffee! When do we want it? I'll fucking cut you!
[12:50:44] <chromas> http://www.sports-logos-screensavers.com
[12:50:55] <chromas> ^goatse
[12:51:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, very unfortunate logo choice
[12:51:53] <crutchy> dayam
[12:51:57] <crutchy> even got the fingers
[12:51:59] <chromas> Would be funny if it was on purpose
[12:52:16] <chromas> Somebody sniggered
[12:52:45] <chromas> ~define backdoor bandit
[12:52:47] <exec> [urbandictionary] backdoor bandit: A man who proceeds to "accidentally" slip his penis into a woman's anus while having vaginal sex from behind.
[12:52:52] <crutchy> at least they didn't put an oregon tree in the middle
[12:53:16] <crutchy> hmm
[12:53:29] <crutchy> why on earth would you want to do that?
[12:54:06] <crutchy> interrupt coitus to find out what she ate for dinner yesterday
[12:54:20] <chromas> It's popular here in the States
[12:54:45] <crutchy> guys over there would rucker fuck an ass than a pusssy?
[12:54:51] <crutchy> lol
[12:54:58] <crutchy> aw fuck
[12:55:03] <crutchy> *rather
[12:55:15] <crutchy> damn friday night
[12:55:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> facial expression in those situations is priceless
[12:56:29] <chromas> ~define butterfly kiss
[12:56:31] <exec> [urbandictionary] butterfly kisses: Fluttering one's eyelashes on someone's skin so they just feel the tickling sensation.
[12:56:38] <chromas> What no
[12:56:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, https://www.youtube.com
[12:56:39] <monopoly> Title: how to have anal sex - YouTube
[12:56:50] <crutchy> lol
[12:57:19] <crutchy> step 1: don't get married
[12:57:24] <chromas> ~define-add butterfly kisses When you finish on her eyelashes
[12:57:24] <exec> definition for term "butterfly" set to "kisses When you finish on her eyelashes"
[12:57:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> watch that shit, is hilarious
[12:57:58] * chromas herps a derp
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[13:02:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder if i have enough awake for coding yet
[13:02:26] <crutchy> ~time TheMightyBuzzard
[13:02:27] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Friday, 13 June 2014, 10:00:28 pm
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[13:02:38] <crutchy> wb Subsentient
[13:02:47] <Subsentient> thx, updated openssl
[13:02:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~time dallas
[13:02:57] <exec> [Google] 6:02am Friday (CDT) - Time in Dallas, TX, USA
[13:03:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> not where i am but correct time zone
[13:03:40] <crutchy> damn that sucks. friday night here. weekend woohoo!
[13:04:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't decide if i wanna start calling folks from oz munchkins or flying monkeys
[13:05:13] <Subsentient> Munchkins.
[13:05:40] <crutchy> cos we like munchkin on drop bears :-P
[13:05:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dunno, everyone likes a monkey
[13:06:01] <crutchy> i hate monkeys
[13:06:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, that's just unnatural
[13:06:29] <crutchy> they're noisy and they stink and eat shit
[13:06:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes but you can train them to throw shit at your enemies
[13:06:44] <crutchy> and i'm talking about maccas
[13:06:51] <crutchy> ha true
[13:07:19] <crutchy> fuck *i'm not talking
[13:08:08] * crutchy picks up blue crayons and commences licking nearest window
[13:08:31] <chromas> Dog keeps overheating in her sleep at night
[13:08:39] * chromas grips shotgun
[13:09:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> there are days when a ~30 character password gets on my nerves. yeah it's secure but try using sudo before you're properly awake.
[13:09:24] <chromas> Well, she's a-sufferin'
[13:09:37] <crutchy> chromas: connect it to a steam turbine and generate some electricity
[13:09:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, shave her
[13:10:22] <crutchy> you could get a government grant for a new type of green energy... dog power
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[13:10:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> or maybe a mohawk
[13:10:32] <chromas> In google password is my most secure one
[13:10:38] <chromas> My
[13:11:20] <chromas> Don't want people logging in as me and giving the feds the wrong info
[13:11:27] <crutchy> ~define homawk
[13:11:30] <exec> [urbandictionary] homawk: A reverse mohawk. A full head of hair, with the center shaved.
[13:11:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have three or four ~30 character ones.
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[13:12:06] <crutchy> wb mrcoolbp
[13:12:13] <crutchy> same quit msg
[13:12:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> easy to remember cause they're a bastardization of lyrics to a song nobody but like ten people in the world know.
[13:12:53] <chromas> Is there a name for inverse mullet?
[13:13:13] <crutchy> fringe?
[13:13:30] <crutchy> hmm thats a backwards one
[13:13:45] <crutchy> inverse would be shaveed up the back i guess
[13:14:00] <crutchy> shaveed. geez i really cant type
[13:14:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't look at me. i just shave mine all off when it gets long enough to start needing combed.
[13:14:18] <crutchy> i used to do that. then i got married
[13:14:40] <chromas> See crutchy?
[13:14:41] <crutchy> now i not allowed to :-P
[13:14:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, women can fuck up anything
[13:14:58] <chromas> If you kept doing it then your keep doing it
[13:15:27] <chromas> s/r/'d/
[13:15:27] <SedBot> <chromas> If you kept doing it then you'd keep doing it
[13:16:01] <crutchy> marriage = no more 'doing it'
[13:16:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> whas really weird is she decided that haircut was attractive enough to marry a guy with it then proceeds to say you can't do it.
[13:16:15] <chromas> That's because you changed
[13:16:35] <chromas> See you next to still cut your hair like you did before.:)
[13:17:08] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: and everything else you do
[13:17:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, prolly one of the many, many reasons i'll never end up married.
[13:19:10] <chromas> All the jewish Hollywood movies say that secretly you really want to
[13:19:33] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard: thats what i told myself for years'
[13:19:54] <chromas> And now you do some more
[13:20:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't stand women. they're as bad as men.
[13:20:22] <crutchy> maybe you should try animals
[13:20:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, s'why al gore invented the interwebs. porn.
[13:21:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tackling Government Surveillance: Increase the Price Per Day of Violation - http://sylnt.us - government-certified-encryption
[13:21:14] <chromas> Animals don't judge; just feed and buttscratch
[13:21:17] <crutchy> and why the japanese perfected it
[13:22:07] <crutchy> and buttsniff and buttslide
[13:22:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> technical term there is Wormy Dog Scoot
[13:23:16] <chromas> Oh I meant near-butt then
[13:23:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't really blame them though. if my tongue was all i had for toilet paper, i'd scoot around on the carpet too.
[13:23:27] <chromas> Tail area
[13:24:05] <crutchy> WDS
[13:24:06] <chromas> Need a cat-style tongue
[13:25:35] <crutchy> that way you can leave it for a few days and even crusties can be sandpapered off :-P
[13:25:48] * chromas wonders if cats like peanut butter on junk like dogs
[13:26:10] <crutchy> giyf
[13:26:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine likes cabbage, peas, onions, and other insano stuff
[13:26:30] <crutchy> or craigslist
[13:28:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> every now n then she goes over and eats half the dogs' food while they watch just to show them who's boss too
[13:29:19] <chromas> Our dog eats half her food any time the cat walks by just so he can't steal it
[13:29:28] <crutchy> when i was a kid sometimes when we opened the door to go outside our beagle would make a beeline for the cat food and hoover it before we could get him out
[13:29:48] <crutchy> i don't even think he chewed
[13:29:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, cat food has to live up on top of something the dogs can't climb
[13:32:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, where is admin.pl getting info from that differs from where submit/index/etc are getting their info from and what else uses the same method that i haven't noticed yet?
[13:35:30] <crutchy> fiik
[13:35:56] <crutchy> my cat's breath smells like cat food :-P
[13:36:04] <chromas> Did you check buttmagic.pl?
[13:36:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, will after more coffee. best i can do now is stare confusedly at the gvim windows
[13:37:22] <crutchy> eventually they'll mash together and start talking to you
[13:38:31] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: s/m w/m\/w/
[13:38:32] <SedBot> <chromas> <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, will after more coffee. best i can do now is stare confusedly at the gvim/windows
[13:38:40] <chromas> For stallman!
[13:39:02] <crutchy> SedBot: s/ws/ws vista/
[13:39:02] <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <chromas> <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, will after more coffee. best i can do now is stare confusedly at the gvim/windows vista
[13:39:31] <crutchy> the world feels your pain
[13:40:42] <crutchy> i can't be bothered with code tonight
[13:40:45] <crutchy> too hard
[13:41:11] <crutchy> (code, not anything else :-P
[13:42:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, coffee and amphetamines will kick in soon and brain will start working
[13:42:30] <chromas> Error: mismatched parenthesis. Expected ) but got joke
[13:42:58] <chromas> amphetamines++
[13:42:58] <Bender> karma - amphetamines: 1
[13:44:03] <crutchy> error: closing parenthesis not found. press play on tape
[13:44:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> doc: you may have ADHD, try these amphetamines. me: no argument here.
[13:45:32] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard: s/no argument here/are they a suppository?/
[13:45:32] <SedBot> <crutchy> <TheMightyBuzzard> doc: you may have ADHD, try these amphetamines. me: are they a suppository?.
[13:45:34] * chromas never had a tape drive. 1541-II
[13:46:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, this is the US, not japan. we prefer putting things in our mouth rather than our ass.
[13:46:36] <chromas> "I can't swallow that!" "Well then good news, it's a suppository"
[13:47:20] <chromas> I guess that's why BJs are so popular
[13:48:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> ever wonder why authors get so excited about their book coming out? it's not like they haven't already read it.
[13:53:12] <chromas> It's a proxy. They can't come out so their book does it for them
[13:54:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh, it all makes sense now
[13:55:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... i may need to do multiple desktops with this many windows open. i keep hitting the wrong terminal window.
[14:00:41] <chromas> Also tmux-in-tmux action
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[14:07:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> damned google ignoring punctuation in searches
[14:08:21] <AndyTheAbsurd> I was trying to google for ## yesterday
[14:08:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> Guess how well *that* went.
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[14:11:46] weeds is now known as SoyGuest75828
[14:12:00] <SoyGuest75828> "Good morning, and in case I don't see ya, good afternoon, good evening, and good night! "
[14:12:29] SoyGuest75828 is now known as weeds
[14:12:59] <weeds> Ok, lets try that again...
[14:13:47] <weeds> "Good morning, and in case I don't see ya, good afternoon, good evening, and good night!"
[14:14:05] <mrcoolbp> g'mornin' trueman
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[14:14:50] <mrcoolbp> er SoyGues- er, weeds
[14:16:59] * TheMightyBuzzard facepalms
[14:17:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> just had compile issues because i couldn't figure out
[14:17:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> because i'd uncommented some comment text
[14:18:18] <weeds> TheMightyBuzzard ha ha! plain text comments rarely compile!
[14:18:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, sure sign of needing a wee bit more coffee
[14:19:31] <weeds> It is Friday
[14:27:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> that it is
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[14:50:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tesla Motors Opens-up their Patents - http://sylnt.us - whats-the-opposite-of-a-patent-troll?
[14:53:57] <weeds> so how do you edit a line that someone else wrote?
[14:54:13] <weeds> in IRC
[14:54:48] <Woods> Weeds: s/IRC/IRL/
[14:55:09] <Woods> Technically...
[14:55:48] <weeds> It didn't happen??
[14:56:09] <Woods> I was pretty sure that was it.
[14:56:32] <weeds> maybe that extra space?
[14:56:36] <Bytram> Woods: s/pretty sure/hoping/
[14:56:36] <SedBot> <Bytram> <Woods> I was hoping that was it.
[14:56:45] <Bytram> =)
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[14:57:28] <weeds> Bender: s/Patents/Pants
[14:57:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> Woods, case sensitive
[14:57:51] <weeds> Bender: s/Patents/Pants/
[14:57:51] <SedBot> <weeds> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tesla Motors Opens-up their Pants - http://sylnt.us - whats-the-opposite-of-a-patent-troll?
[14:58:49] <Woods> I should have known, TMB.
[14:58:58] <paulej72> LaminatorX: for yesterday 2895 visits, 1747 unique visitors
[14:59:03] <Woods> Weeds, you need to capitalize your name to make me feel better about talking to you.
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[14:59:38] <LaminatorX> Weeds is actually e. e. cummings, you insensative clod.
[15:00:06] <weeds> Woods: ?
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[15:00:26] <paulej72> LaminatorX: 8735 pageviews, 6587 unique pageviews
[15:00:45] <TK> per?
[15:00:56] <LaminatorX> That's yeaterday.
[15:00:59] <weeds> paulej72: how do those compare to our max and what is the trend?
[15:01:00] <paulej72> yesterday stats
[15:01:20] <paulej72> steady during the week so far. Weekend less.
[15:01:21] <paulej72> Tk
[15:01:36] <paulej72> TK: 2895 visits, 1747 unique visitors
[15:02:13] <TK> About 1/5~1/4 of registed users?
[15:02:17] <Bytram> Hi folks! What's happening?
[15:02:18] <Bytram> !uid
[15:02:18] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4449, owned by TheCastro
[15:02:32] <Bytram> hmmm....
[15:02:36] <Bytram> !uid 4444
[15:02:36] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 4449, owned by TheCastro
[15:02:39] <TK> Prime time to sign up I guess
[15:02:42] <Bytram> oh well.
[15:02:52] <TK> If 4450 is significant to you
[15:03:01] <LaminatorX> What's unique visitors for this past week vs a week a month ago, paulej72 (if you have the time, please)?
[15:03:09] <TK> !stats
[15:03:19] <Bytram> I waited too long for 4444 to open up and missed it. :/
[15:03:32] <paulej72> LaminatorX: we have only started collecting stats in piwik since saturday
[15:03:35] <TK> erp, that's the IRC stats
[15:04:21] <paulej72> And the stats in slash can’t be trusted as we saw a big difference in hits when we fixed the varnish config
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[15:04:49] <Weeds> How's that?
[15:04:53] <LaminatorX> Some of the stats in backslash seem to no longer work since the last update, like they're just measuring hits from varnish as a single ip or something.
[15:05:04] <Bytram> paulej72: what kind of difference did you see? Increase/decrease?
[15:05:47] <paulej72> LaminatorX: the orginal ones I think were artifically inflated becaue of a broken setup in varnish
[15:06:30] <LaminatorX> Also possible, clearly..
[15:06:39] <LaminatorX> BRB
[15:07:33] <paulej72> Bytram: right now slash says whe have about 5.5k hits a day, which is on the same order as piwik
[15:08:23] <Bytram> paulej72: Ok. that's good to know. Any guesstimate as to how far off the misconfigured varnish stats were? 1.5x 2.0x?
[15:08:47] <Woods> Bytram: over 9000.
[15:08:54] <paulej72> At aaround 4-25 the hit counter says 20M,
[15:09:56] <paulej72> the question is was the hit counter counting continuously then after 4-25 just doing daily hits?
[15:10:08] <Bytram> paulej72: Huh? On April 25 we had 20 *Million* hits?
[15:10:29] <Bytram> oh. up *until* april 25?
[15:11:00] <paulej72> that is what the graph says, but it could hav been a continuous count since launch instead of the the currently daily hit rate
[15:11:27] <paulej72> grand_total / All rss_page / All palm_page / All
[15:11:28] <paulej72> 2014-02-19 248,313 7,213 0
[15:11:29] <paulej72> 2014-02-26 2,801,238 73,521 0
[15:11:31] <paulej72> 2014-03-05 5,903,167 141,750 0
[15:11:32] <paulej72> 2014-03-12 8,267,260 206,608 0
[15:11:34] <paulej72> 2014-03-20 10,457,380 268,383 0
[15:11:35] <paulej72> 2014-03-28 12,501,810 331,415 0
[15:11:37] <paulej72> 2014-04-04 14,551,190 394,746 0
[15:11:38] <paulej72> 2014-04-11 16,734,740 465,717 0
[15:11:40] <paulej72> 2014-04-18 18,871,770 531,207 0
[15:11:41] <paulej72> 2014-04-25 20,877,722 598,294 0
[15:11:43] <paulej72> 2014-05-02 11,413,264 337,394 0
[15:11:44] <paulej72> 2014-05-09 274,769 11,681 0
[15:11:46] <paulej72> 2014-05-16 299,005 12,135 0
[15:11:47] <paulej72> 2014-05-23 307,843 12,699 0
[15:11:49] <paulej72> 2014-05-30 280,773 12,998 0
[15:11:50] <paulej72> 2014-06-06 328,955 12,445 0
[15:13:55] <Bytram> So, if I'm reading that right, that works out to about 1/4 - 1/3 million total hits per week?
[15:14:00] <paulej72> looks like before 5-1 that the counter was not resetiing for each time period, but not sure what we did to change it. I bet if I fixed those nubmer the graph would be flat
[15:14:23] <LaminatorX> Some of backslash's numbers are definitely cumulative, without it ever saying that.
[15:14:35] <Bytram> sounds like a nice little challenge! brb!
[15:15:08] <paulej72> Here are the daily numbers
[15:15:16] <paulej72> grand_total / All rss_page / All palm_page / All
[15:15:17] <paulej72> 2014-05-30 49,765 2,240 0
[15:15:19] <paulej72> 2014-05-31 49,208 1,945 0
[15:15:20] <paulej72> 2014-06-01 49,525 1,999 0
[15:15:22] <paulej72> 2014-06-02 57,205 2,115 0
[15:15:23] <paulej72> 2014-06-03 55,165 2,011 0
[15:15:25] <paulej72> 2014-06-04 58,186 2,161 0
[15:15:26] <paulej72> 2014-06-05 59,666 2,214 0
[15:15:28] <paulej72> 2014-06-06 53,303 2,282 0
[15:15:29] <paulej72> 2014-06-07 50,627 2,125 0
[15:15:31] <paulej72> 2014-06-08 50,331 2,240 0
[15:15:32] <paulej72> 2014-06-09 53,040 2,272 0
[15:15:34] <paulej72> 2014-06-10 55,502 2,356 0
[15:15:35] <paulej72> 2014-06-11 50,594 2,315 0
[15:15:36] <paulej72> 2014-06-12 53,172 2,295 0
[15:16:17] <LaminatorX> Wait, we have a palm page?
[15:16:21] <mrcoolbp> lol
[15:17:12] <paulej72> looks like these numbers are about 10x the numbers from piwik, so I am not sure how to analyze them
[15:17:28] <paulej72> LaminatorX: not sure if that even works
[15:17:59] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: 4444 is "Nth_man"
[15:18:13] <Bytram> merci!
[15:18:29] <Bytram> the Nth_man commeth?
[15:18:42] <mrcoolbp> nice guy, I helped him get an account (reg. email not showing up again)
[15:19:45] * TheMightyBuzzard headdesks
[15:20:13] * Bytram kindly offers TheMightyBuzzard a pillow to use for padding
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[15:20:39] <DrMag> Good morning.
[15:20:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> apparently there's a whitespace filter somewhere besides the content_filters table
[15:23:39] <Bytram> afk brb
[15:23:40] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: there is some content filters that are hard coded somewhere in the code that pulls the stuff in from the content_filter table. Can’t remmver where
[15:24:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, having to grep it
[15:24:58] <LaminatorX> Cumulative 20M hits since Feb is roughly where we thought we'd be.
[15:28:19] <LaminatorX> That's like 60 views/active user/day for 2k active users.
[15:29:01] <Bytram> I'm back. got some really rough deltas for ya:
[15:29:03] <Bytram> 2014-02-26 2801238 2552925
[15:29:03] <Bytram> 2014-03-05 5903167 3101929
[15:29:03] <Bytram> 2014-03-12 8267260 2364093
[15:29:03] <Bytram> 2014-03-20 10457380 2190120
[15:29:04] <Bytram> 2014-03-28 12501810 2044430
[15:29:06] <Bytram> 2014-04-04 14551190 2049380
[15:29:08] <Bytram> 2014-04-11 16734740 2183550
[15:29:10] <Bytram> 2014-04-18 18871770 2137030
[15:29:12] <Bytram> 2014-04-25 20877722 2005952
[15:29:14] <Bytram> 2014-05-02 11413264 -9464458
[15:29:16] <Bytram> 2014-05-09 274769 -11138495
[15:29:18] <Bytram> 2014-05-16 299005 24236
[15:29:20] <Bytram> 2014-05-23 307843 8838
[15:29:22] <Bytram> 2014-05-30 280773 -27070
[15:29:24] <Bytram> 2014-06-06 328955 48182
[15:29:52] <Bytram> first column is the date from paulej72's data; 2nd column is the [possibly cumulative] hit count; third column is current hit count minus prior hit count
[15:31:16] <Bytram> so, it looks like thru 4/25, inclusive, we were seeing 2-3 million hits/wk
[15:31:24] <Bytram> I have no idea what's up with 5/2
[15:31:50] <Bytram> then it looks like about 200-300K hits per week.
[15:32:17] <paulej72> Bytram: that is when we fixed varnish
[15:32:48] <paulej72> prior to that varnish was not caching a bunch of stuff
[15:33:15] <Bytram> kthnx!
[15:34:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, it's not so much a filter as a compression check
[15:35:31] <Bytram> now I'm really wondering what we have under the hood! Did you check the spark plugs, to?
[15:35:39] <Bytram> s/to/too/
[15:35:39] <SedBot> <Bytram> now I'm really wondering what we have under the hood! Did you check the spark plugs, too?
[15:40:38] * TheMightyBuzzard grumbles
[15:40:42] <LaminatorX> Is the new stats thing something I can access?
[15:43:59] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX, I think you need to pester NCommander for that one
[15:44:18] * mrcoolbp need to attempt sleep
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[15:45:00] <LaminatorX> Visualize yourself floating on the surface of a warm lagoon beneath a starry sky, mocoolbp.
[15:45:42] <Woods> It retroactively worked, LaminatorX!
[15:59:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> today may be a rant n rave n kick stuff day because of the sheer number of layers of abstraction in slash
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[16:05:57] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I feel your pain. I once had to test special case code that optimised the behavior of a virtual machine that was running in a virtual machine that was running in a virtual machine.
[16:06:11] <Bytram> in hexadecimal.
[16:06:29] <Bytram> on a 3270 display.
[16:06:33] <Bytram> =)
[16:06:49] <blackmoore|afk> luxury
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[16:07:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> having to use the complete hell out of Data::Dumper here and still not finding wtf is going on
[16:07:38] <Bytram> i would help if we have self-descriptive test data...
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[16:10:00] <Bytram> please correct me if I'm wrong, but I see a few different ways to enter "strange" characters.
[16:10:00] <Bytram> 1) character entities (&gt;) 2) numeric character entities (decimal): &#nnnn; 3) numberic character entities (hexadecimal): &#xnnnn; and 4) cut-and-paste from sample data; 5) direct keyboard entry from an international keyboard
[16:10:23] <Bytram> 6) alt+numeric keypad, too.
[16:10:29] <Bytram> (at least on windows)
[16:10:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, essentially, yeah
[16:11:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you paste already &#n+ notation it gets ignored by the regex and passed through as normal ascii text
[16:12:24] <LaminatorX> That certainly explains why &#nnnn; style has seemed to work pretty consistantly,
[16:12:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> otherwise it gets ord(decode_utf8()) and that number gets &# added to the front and ; to the back
[16:16:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> if anything is failing right now it's because decode_utf8 can't and there's fuck all i can do about it.
[16:19:26] <LaminatorX> The submissions bin is very low just now. If you have a moment, consider submitting a story. /join #rss-bot for a stream of ideas.
[16:21:15] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I think I got it. So, for example, if I type a lower-case pi character, decode_utf8() of it world return decimal 960, and slash would output &#960;
[16:21:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> zactly
[16:21:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> well ord of the decode_utf8, yeah
[16:22:46] <Bytram> got it! But, if I *typed* &#960; those are all valid ASCII chars, and would go through unchanged.
[16:22:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> if anything still breaks it's because decode_utf8 failed on that character and i'm not really interested in working for the maintainer of Encode as well as SN
[16:23:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[16:23:34] <Bytram> ditto if I entered: &#x3c0; which is the hex-equivalent; still all-ascii chars, so sent through unchanged.
[16:23:44] <Bytram> IOW, it lets the browser deal with it. :)
[16:23:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeppers
[16:24:11] <Bytram> !woop
[16:24:11] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[16:24:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> unfortunately it's also stored in the db like that and takes up a lot of space compared to proper unicode
[16:24:44] <Bytram> well, that reduces the test case matrix size just a bit! ;^)
[16:25:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus it shows that way after you hit preview, which is annoying.
[16:26:51] <paulej72> The space it takes up is important in 100 or 50 char title fields.
[16:27:32] <paulej72> a few encoded utf8 chars will fill the whole char space.
[16:28:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[16:28:27] <Bytram> paulej72: yup. there are *6*-byte UTF-8 characters!
[16:28:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> not that utf8 characters are all that less expensive.
[16:29:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> you basically save 3 bytes per character by not html encoding them unless my math is on drugs
[16:29:21] <Bytram> that's a worst-case scenario, of course, but that would limit you to 16 chars.
[16:30:38] <Bytram> sounds about right, depending on the character; *might* be able to save another occasional byte using hex encoding. Need the extra "x" to flag it, but big hx numbers are 'shorter" than equivalent big decimal numbers.
[16:30:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> but... since we've converted the db to utf8... i just confused myself
[16:30:49] <Bytram> s/hx/hex/
[16:30:49] <SedBot> <Bytram> sounds about right, depending on the character; *might* be able to save another occasional byte using hex encoding. Need the extra "x" to flag it, but big hex numbers are 'shorter" than equivalent big decimal numbers.
[16:31:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> you should be able to get 50/100 characters of proper unicode in once i get that working
[16:32:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> because a varchar(50) on a utf table should allow for 50 characters regardless
[16:32:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> also means if we have any field length checks in the source, they need looked at
[16:32:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> make sure we're counting characters instead of bytes
[16:33:38] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[16:33:38] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 8
[16:34:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> why. the. fuck. does getCurrentForm return proper unicode everywhere but in admin.pl?
[16:35:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> it uses the exact same DBIx::Password module to get the data from the db.
[16:35:28] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: no idea. Best *guess* is that what is in the admin.pl code is not the same as what is in the other places.
[16:36:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, there's gotta be another db connection being made that i didn't add unicode support to
[16:36:24] <Bytram> "If it can't be what it has to be, then it has to be what it can't be."
[16:36:34] <Bytram> hrmmm, interesting
[16:36:55] <Bytram> is there a way to ask the db to log the connections?
[16:37:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> but there can't be because i modified DBIx::Password to always use utf8
[16:37:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> there has to be a db connection skipping that and making its own connection some other way
[16:38:13] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I offer you a *very* useful trick.
[16:38:36] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Apply "inverse-capitalization" to what you are playing with.
[16:38:57] <Bytram> so, "This is a test" would become (after going through YOUR code) "tHIS IS A TEST"
[16:39:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> worth a shot i spose
[16:39:31] <Bytram> if you see the "normal" capitalization, then you've found the "bad" path.
[16:40:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh hell, i bet it's using connect_cached instead of connect
[16:40:32] <Bytram> I figured that one out about 20 years ago when testing some i18n (internationalization) !!
[16:42:17] <Bytram> so, write an inverse capitalization function and wrap the questionable return values with it.
[16:42:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, damn
[16:42:48] <Bytram> hmm, sounded promising, too!
[16:43:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> still best that i fixed that before it became an issue
[16:43:24] <Bytram> is it *just* the passowrd field that's getting corrupted?
[16:43:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> isn't that at all
[16:43:34] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[16:43:34] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 9
[16:44:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> admin.pl takes the submission that shows properly formatted in the submissions queue and right up until the point where you hit preview as an editor and reads it badly.
[16:45:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> and if you hit save it saves it badly
[16:45:59] <Bytram> bunner!
[16:46:09] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: you do know that there are two different types of connections to the db, a reader and a writer
[16:46:21] <LaminatorX> The &###; method works there, but nothing else that I've tried.
[16:46:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, nod nod. they both use DBIx::Password though, no?
[16:46:44] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: not sure
[16:47:21] <paulej72> you probably have the writer working correctly, but not necessarly the reader.
[16:47:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> there has to be another instance of connecting to the db wrongly because i removed every instance of encode/decode_utf8
[16:47:51] <LaminatorX> You could you submit data with the reader though?
[16:48:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, reader reads fine for previewing as the author, reads fine when you look at the queue as an editor. doesn't bork up until you try to actually edit.
[16:49:02] <paulej72> Then I would think there is an encode step that kicking you ass.
[16:49:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> except there aren't any. i removed them all
[16:49:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless it's outside our source tree...
[16:49:38] * TheMightyBuzzard checks
[16:50:16] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: you are restarting slash and apache each time you make a change. If you don’t silly things happen.
[16:51:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, have to give apache a five count after deploying or it uses the same code too
[16:51:30] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Ah! write your OWN encode/decode that logs the args and returns a sentinel value like "BORKED!"
[16:51:46] <Bytram> should never run. so no problem.
[16:51:54] <Bytram> if it DOES run, then you've got a clue.
[16:53:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair point but i'd have to overwrite a perl internal to do that, which i don't like doing
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[16:55:17] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: it's an *internal*? I wonder if the version of perl we're using has a known issue with it?
[16:56:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a not being used internal though unless it's outside what gets copied over when i do a deploy
[16:57:09] <Bytram> ugh. thinking...
[17:00:35] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: is it this from the template: storyref.introtext | strip_literal
[17:01:00] <paulej72> is strip_literal borking up the show
[17:01:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> are templates used to fill $form?
[17:02:31] <paulej72> no, but they display the text you are seeing
[17:02:44] <paulej72> LITERAL, [qw(
[17:02:45] <paulej72> newline_to_local
[17:02:46] <paulej72> encode_html_amp
[17:02:48] <paulej72> encode_html_ltgt
[17:02:49] <paulej72> remove_trailing_lts
[17:02:50] <paulej72> approveTags
[17:02:51] <paulej72> space_between_tags
[17:02:52] <paulej72> encode_html_ltgt_stray )],
[17:04:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, just chased that down
[17:04:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, would be encode_high_chars or something similar that i removed from my copy.
[17:05:10] <paulej72> the strip_literal is not always used when the devs thought it should be, so it may not always be in the template.
[17:05:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll double check the bastich though
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[17:06:16] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: we are taliking about this page type correct : https://meta.dev.soylentnews.org/admin.pl?op=edit&sid=14/06/11/183210
[17:07:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno, not an editor on dev anymore looks like.
[17:07:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> must have lost it in the db rollback
[17:09:24] <Woods> TheMightyBuzzard: This is our awkward way of letting you know that you have been demoted.
[17:09:57] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: fixed
[17:10:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, i was hoping for given the complete boot so i could dump it and go fishing
[17:10:18] <paulej72> you have admin privs on dev
[17:11:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Forensic "Science" is Anything But - http://sylnt.us - Injustice-for-All
[17:11:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, weird
[17:14:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[17:14:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> not the page.
[17:14:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> hit preview and you get to the page that's hosing everything
[17:15:46] <paulej72> yes that is the editStory sub in admin.pl
[17:16:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[17:17:02] <paulej72> for my $field (qw( introtext bodytext )) {
[17:17:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... uses getObject slash::admin rather than the normal call
[17:17:03] <paulej72> local $Slash::Utility::Data::approveTag::admin = 2;
[17:17:05] <paulej72> $storyref->{$field} = $slashdb->autoUrl($form->{section}, $storyref->{$field});
[17:17:06] <paulej72> $storyref->{$field} = cleanSlashTags($storyref->{$field});
[17:17:08] <paulej72> $storyref->{$field} = strip_html($storyref->{$field});
[17:17:09] <paulej72> $storyref->{$field} = slashizeLinks($storyref->{$field});
[17:17:10] <paulej72> $storyref->{$field} = parseSlashizedLinks($storyref->{$field});
[17:17:11] <paulej72> $storyref->{$field} = balanceTags($storyref->{$field});
[17:17:12] <paulej72> }
[17:17:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> already attempted commenting those out one at a time.
[17:17:47] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: uses both as it gets slashdb passed as a param
[17:17:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[17:19:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> way up at the top though, "my $form = getCurrentForm();" if you print Dumper($form); it shows garbled even there.
[17:22:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> so before it ever hits a sub
[17:23:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dunno man. i may very well not figure it out today
[17:23:44] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: could Dumper have a bug?
[17:24:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp, shows fine on the pages that show fine
[17:24:58] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: is submit.pl mangeling the data because the form is not set to utf8?
[17:25:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> submit.pl shows it fine and it's proper in the db
[17:25:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> until you go to edit a submission with admin.pl everything's groovy
[17:27:08] <paulej72> but submit.pl passes the data to admin.pl through the form vars. It could get mangled because the form characther_set is not utf-8
[17:27:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[17:28:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> i figured admin.pl pulled them from the db
[17:32:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> wish i could say but everything's so abstracted it's hard to tell where the data for getCurrentForm comes from
[17:32:08] <paulej72> not when you are send from sumbit.pl using the preview button. It pulls from the db when you doa direct edit on a story
[17:33:01] <paulej72> i.e when there is a edit link like on the home page in the story footer.
[17:33:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, hmmm
[17:33:50] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: try both methods and see if you see a difference
[17:35:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, have to manually insert some proper utf8 in the db first
[17:41:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> does in fact make a difference
[17:43:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless you actually edit from there and try to save, in which case it borks up again
[17:44:25] <paulej72> try setting the form characther_set and see if that makes a dfference
[17:48:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> would try if i had an idea of where to set it
[17:52:27] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: it is an attribute to the html form tag. You need to edit the appropriate template to fix it. Or do a live edit on the html in your browser before hitting the preview button
[17:52:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, nod nod
[17:53:05] <paulej72> plugins/Amdin/templates/editStory;admin;default
[17:54:58] <paulej72> http://www.w3schools.com
[17:54:59] <monopoly> Title: HTML form accept-charset Attribute
[17:56:22] <paulej72> wrong name for attribute before
[17:57:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, just tried that and no dice
[17:58:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> tried it live though, lemme find the template n edit it
[17:58:33] <paulej72> https://github.com
[17:58:34] <monopoly> Title: slashcode/Slash/Utility/Environment/Environment.pm at master · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
[17:58:59] <paulej72> # Forms should always be checked for unicode and have it converted to html encoding.
[17:58:59] <paulej72> # There are too many ways things could go wrong otherwise. So we do it here.
[17:59:00] <paulej72> # We are only concerned with unicode though, other fixes are already working elsewhere.
[17:59:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, thas me
[17:59:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> just below is the hack that got entities working
[18:00:17] <paulej72> did you remove that in the version you are testing
[18:02:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[18:02:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> sec, altering template
[18:04:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, no dice
[18:05:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> really need to get into the apache request itself but it's abstracted so far out i'm not even sure how.
[18:13:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, got that much. poking with a stick
[18:16:04] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: you have removed encode_hig_bits from all of the strip by stuff, yes?
[18:16:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, one of the first things
[18:16:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> right now i'm digging at the apache request itself to see what's being passed
[18:17:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> deploying takes more time than actual checking
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[18:58:31] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: can you pastebin your current Data.pm file so I can see what you got
[18:59:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, it may very well be broken though
[19:00:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://pastebin.com
[19:00:07] <monopoly> Title: [Perl] data.pm - Pastebin.com
[19:01:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FBI Desperate for Hackers, Will Ignore Pot Use - http://sylnt.us
[19:03:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> grah, i can't get the damn postdata
[19:03:25] <Blackmoore> fer cripes sake. can i start drinking while I am at wORK?
[19:03:38] <Blackmoore> *headdesk*
[19:03:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> ooooh, i could
[19:07:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know what, i may need to url encode that nonsense
[19:13:29] <NCommander> ugh
[19:13:40] * NCommander feels like hell
[19:17:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> still the quitting thing or ya got something else adding to it?
[19:18:58] <Bytram> NCommander: hey there! sorry to hear you're under the weather!!
[19:19:18] <NCommander> I feel hung over which is problematic because I haven't been drinking
[19:19:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, duh. forgot forms were stored in the db too
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[19:20:01] <Bytram> NCommander: ugh. Headache? Sinuses?
[19:20:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> oi, paulej72, you're our resident forms guru, how do i force an update?
[19:23:27] * AndyTheAbsurd trolls through http://reddit.com looking for stories to submit
[19:23:29] <monopoly> Title: newest submissions : tech
[19:26:53] <LaminatorX|out2lunch> Dehydration or a cold coming on, NCommander?
[19:26:57] <Bytram> AndyTheAbsurd: Nice! You might also want to do "/join #rss-bot" (without the quotes) to see a feed of recent postings around the web
[19:27:29] <Bytram> AndyTheAbsurd: Also, you can go see archives of these at: http://logs.sylnt.us
[19:27:30] <monopoly> Title: #rss-bot | Logs
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[19:33:16] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: not sure what you mean
[19:34:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> nevermind, it just wasn't showing up in web developer
[19:35:41] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: stopped using web developer in favor of the built in FF developer tools
[19:37:59] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Web developer has some nice tools; I've used it quite a bit. If I may suggest, have you looked at FireBug?
[19:38:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> interesting, it's showing up correctly in the <title> but the rest of the page is hosed
[19:38:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, yep. not exactly what i'm after though
[19:39:04] <Bytram> wasn't sure, but thought I'd suggest it, just in case! It's saved me loads of time on many an occasion!
[19:39:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> could it be the futurestorybox template?
[19:40:26] * NCommander is disliking this cold
[19:41:20] * Bytram would be concerned if NCommander actually *liked* having a cold. :/
[19:44:49] <arti> well, it is a gift that keeps on giving
[19:46:23] <NCommander> Bytram, when I said cold, I meant tempature
[19:46:29] * NCommander doesn't feel ill at the moment any more
[19:46:40] <arti> are you a robocop fan?
[19:46:50] <Bytram> NCommander: Oh! Well, then... THAT's a relief!
[19:47:04] * Bytram offers NCommander a sweater and a hat
[19:47:15] * arti replicates some hot coco
[19:47:20] <Bytram> NCommander: where are you at these days?
[19:49:14] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: you know that encoce_high_bits can be turned off by setting draconian_charset = 0 in the vars.
[19:49:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[19:49:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> was making damned sure though. this is all debugging noise that'll get wiped and redone as necessary to a fresh pull.
[19:50:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> should have just made another branch but i didn't think of it until too late
[19:55:49] <NCommander> Bytram, still in boston
[19:56:18] <Bytram> ahh, got it. It's been raining pretty steady here for the past few hours... I imagine it's similar for you.
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[19:58:16] <Bytram> mattie_p: G'morning!
[19:58:39] <mattie_p> hi Bytram
[19:58:45] * mattie_p sighs
[19:59:02] <mattie_p> Been busy packing the house, it is so much work I hate all my stuff right now
[19:59:25] <LaminatorX> Moving x-town or x-country?
[19:59:31] <mattie_p> x-country
[19:59:42] <mattie_p> my western adventure hasn't panned out as planned, so we're heading back east
[20:00:04] <paulej72> he moving east with the rest of the soylent work force :)
[20:00:07] <Bytram> mattie_p: Packing *is* a pain... reminds me of, hmmm Thoreau(?), "A man is rich in proportion to the number of things he can afford to do without."
[20:00:27] <Bytram> mattie_p: How far east are we talking, here?
[20:01:42] <mattie_p> temp location in western NY between Buffalo and Rochester. Final dest TBD
[20:01:48] <mattie_p> I haven
[20:02:00] <mattie_p> haven't been doing much work lately on the site, tho :(
[20:02:33] <Bytram> mattie_p: np, we've been struggling long in your absence. ;^)
[20:03:10] <Bytram> otoh, am curious why that part of NY? IIRC, winters get a bit, ummm, challenging in those parts.
[20:03:16] <Blackmoore> considering how many of us are in Buffalo, i think we'll need to have a soylent gettogether
[20:03:35] <mattie_p> I'd be game for that
[20:03:52] <Blackmoore> I'll be at Buffalo irish center tonight.
[20:03:59] <mattie_p> Bytram: we got family there, unemployment is easier with family in the area to help out
[20:04:07] <Bytram> family++
[20:04:07] <Bender> karma - family: 1
[20:04:11] <Bytram> Wot?
[20:04:13] <Bytram> family++
[20:04:13] <Bender> karma - family: 2
[20:04:14] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[20:04:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 243
[20:04:19] <Bytram> LOL!
[20:04:28] <mattie_p> yeah, coffee is more popular than family
[20:04:30] <mattie_p> let
[20:04:36] <Bytram> looks like we have some miguided priorities over here!
[20:04:39] <Blackmoore> I can count on coffee more than my family..
[20:04:43] <Bytram> s/miguided/misguided/
[20:04:44] <SedBot> <Bytram> looks like we have some misguided priorities over here!
[20:04:46] <mattie_p> let's not even compare it to that which shall not be named anywhere but ##
[20:04:56] <mattie_p> !grab Sedbot
[20:04:57] <Bender> Added quote 185
[20:04:59] <Bytram> ##--
[20:05:05] <Bytram> rats.
[20:05:11] <LaminatorX> Hmm. Family or Coffee. I usually do have coffee bebore I wake my kids up.
[20:05:29] <mattie_p> hashtag messes it up, that's the sign to mark a why-up reason, I think
[20:05:33] <Bytram> the one protects the other, I think.
[20:05:41] <Bytram> #--
[20:05:48] <Bytram> ---
[20:05:52] <Bytram> !--
[20:05:57] <Bytram> @++
[20:06:02] <Bytram> $++
[20:06:05] <Bytram> %++
[20:06:08] <Bytram> ^++
[20:06:12] <Bytram> ^^^^++
[20:06:16] <Bytram> *++
[20:06:20] <Bytram> (++
[20:06:25] <Bytram> )++
[20:06:36] <Bytram> a@@@@@@@@@++
[20:06:50] <Bytram> a------a++
[20:07:10] <Bytram> 123++
[20:07:11] <Bender> karma - 123: 1
[20:07:14] <Bytram> LOL!
[20:08:50] <mattie_p> "##"--
[20:09:18] <mattie_p> '##'--
[20:09:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> გაიარო++
[20:09:19] <Bytram> [[:alnum:]]*++
[20:09:27] <mattie_p> hrm, quotes not protected either
[20:09:34] <mattie_p> must be all special characters
[20:09:39] <Bytram> ++--
[20:10:01] <Bytram> >++
[20:10:03] <Bytram> <--
[20:10:11] <Bytram> ()++
[20:10:16] <Bytram> (abcd)++
[20:10:16] <Bender> karma - (abcd): 1
[20:10:20] <Bytram> oooh!
[20:10:27] <Bytram> +aaa+--
[20:10:46] <Bytram> {abcd}++
[20:10:51] <Bytram> ()()aa++
[20:11:08] <Bytram> (defun foo())++
[20:11:16] <Bytram> (defun_foo())++
[20:12:18] <Bytram> this that++
[20:12:19] <mattie_p> (##)--
[20:12:19] <Bender> karma - (##): -1
[20:12:29] <Bytram> neat!
[20:12:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> [a-zA-Z]++
[20:12:31] <Bender> karma - [a-za-z]: 1
[20:12:33] <Bytram> neat!++
[20:12:56] <mattie_p> so just parentheses and square braces then
[20:12:59] <Bytram> abc\n\t\bdef++
[20:13:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> $VERSION++
[20:13:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> VERSION++
[20:13:25] <Bender> karma - version: 1
[20:13:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> bah
[20:14:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> sweet, finally getting somewhere!
[20:15:04] <Bytram> YAY!
[20:19:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> may have found it
[20:20:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope. did find a bug though.
[20:20:26] * Bytram leans forward in anticipation
[20:20:35] * Bytram and sits back down again
[20:21:45] <Bytram> side channel attack: http://www.theregister.co.uk
[20:21:51] <monopoly> Title: Yet another reason to skip commercials: Microsoft ad TURNS ON your Xbox One • The Register
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[20:39:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> this looks promising "# Overwrite all the $storyref keys we copied in from $form."
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[21:16:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i love this line, it gives me a special feeling in my pants: $data = $data ? { %$data } : {};
[21:18:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> if $data is defined, set $data equal to a reference to a hash deference to itself, if it's undefined set it equal do a reference to a deference to an empty hash.
[21:18:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is to say, do exactly fucking nothing
[21:20:53] <mrcoolbp> I think he has a code-on
[21:22:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - George R. R. Martin to Kill Facebook Employee in GoT - http://sylnt.us - Immortality
[21:22:32] <mrcoolbp> please tell me it's good ole Zuck
[21:23:39] * mrcoolbp is still awake from 36 hours ago
[21:24:17] <mrcoolbp> Landon: ping
[21:25:53] <mrcoolbp> Landon: the "Get Involved" sylnt.us link is broken again?
[21:26:58] <mrcoolbp> Landon: could you please point "sylnt.us/join" at "http://wiki.soylentnews.org/wiki/SoylentNews#Get_Involved"
[21:26:58] <monopoly> Title: SoylentNews
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[21:28:24] <mrcoolbp> BBL (i'll need a nap to survive, this "day" is not over yet)
[21:28:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy
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[22:09:06] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[22:09:06] <Bender> karma - coffee: 244
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[22:23:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> slowly but surely tracing down where everything goes wrong
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[22:45:56] <Ethanol-fueled> Hallo.
[22:46:07] <Ethanol-fueled> Who up in the muthafuckin' house?
[22:48:26] <Blackmoore> sup?
[22:50:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Theater Chain Bans Google Glass Over Piracy Fears - http://sylnt.us - over-reaction-much?
[22:50:20] <Ethanol-fueled> Got 40 minutes to waste. Entertain me.
[22:50:38] <Ethanol-fueled> I would entertain myself, but there are people around.
[22:50:54] <Ethanol-fueled> And that whole "being put on a registry" thing
[22:51:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> sup yo
[22:51:28] <Ethanol-fueled> Supermoderation / flagging controversial/most-discussed comments -- is it being tried out?
[22:51:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, not that i've heard, no.
[22:51:55] <Ethanol-fueled> I've noticed a few +5, troll comments and wondered if it were on a trial period
[22:52:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> actually showed as +5 troll?
[22:52:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> or they were troll comments that got a +5?
[22:52:59] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, I screencapped one, but noticed 2 others ones, one in a different discussion
[22:53:10] <Ethanol-fueled> probably troll comments which were modded up underrated.
[22:53:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhhh
[22:53:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, that might do it
[22:53:50] <Ethanol-fueled> but the admins mentioned supermoderation and holding controversial comments up to +4 or +5, and I wondered if they were doing trials on the sly.
[22:53:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dunno man. far as i know supermod isn't even in the code yet.
[22:54:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i watch the commits cause otherwise i'll fall behind.
[22:54:18] <Ethanol-fueled> There's be incentive to try it out before it's committed in the code.
[22:55:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> no i mean it'd have to be an admin doing it cause the code just isn't there to do it as a user unless there's a bug that lets you multi-mod a comment.
[22:55:35] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, that's another possibility - one or more admins had a sense of humor.
[22:55:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> or it could just be someone with modbot accounts
[22:56:19] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, with such little moderation here, I'd be surprised if that were the case.
[22:56:37] <Ethanol-fueled> (I always get points while I'm at work, when I can't really moderate, then they go away right when I get home)
[22:56:39] <Ethanol-fueled> Hahaha
[22:57:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> only takes one wiseass to set up half a dozen accounts and they can take an ac troll to +5
[22:57:32] <chromas> We could take a note from Blizzard and have points be tradeable and have a Real Points Auction House
[22:57:34] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeah, good point
[22:57:49] <Ethanol-fueled> chromas - letting people buy points is a bad idea.
[22:58:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, ya man, i get points all the time but haven't even been reading enough to use them.
[22:58:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> been working on getting unicode support going and it's kicking the hell outa me.
[22:58:38] <Ethanol-fueled> Perhaps a time and/or day preference for getting points could be introduced as a field.
[22:58:38] <chromas> Ethanol-fueled: I think Blizzard's only had bad ideas lately
[23:00:08] <Ethanol-fueled> They should make a politically incorrect videogame
[23:00:24] <Ethanol-fueled> or have politically incorrect universes or servers.
[23:01:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> they do. the man always keepin an orc down
[23:01:44] <Ethanol-fueled> the submission queue dropped down to 5 stories to day, janrinok had to pad it by submitting a few.
[23:02:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i've barely looked at it since i started on this whole unicode thing.
[23:02:14] <chromas> Custer's Revenge 2
[23:02:20] <Blackmoore> work got busy here. no time to search let alone submit
[23:02:48] <Blackmoore> Custer's Revenge 2 : Indian Boggaloo
[23:02:53] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzzard, you making progress on that? Just asking out of curiosity.
[23:04:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, got comments and submissions working, just breaks when the editor goes to edit and post it.
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[23:04:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i may have figured out why just now too
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[23:06:01] <Ethanol-fueled> Nice.
[23:08:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> already have a kludge on dev doing html-encoded unicode. you know, &#2222; vs ∢
[23:08:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> works all the way through but it makes editing a pain and wastes space in the db
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[23:11:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> believe i need a beer before i consider getting back at it today though.
[23:12:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmmmm... spotted cow ale
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[23:28:03] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Hey there! Hope you've been having some luck on your UTF-8 work... I just tried to paste some more UTF-8 char data onto dev, but when I hit preview or save, all of the "foreign" chars were turned into numeric character entities -- and they didn't get translated back to characters on display. :/
[23:28:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> well thas new and interesting, link?
[23:28:39] <Bytram> sure, hold on
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[23:29:12] <Bytram> I also ran into some kind of lameness filter, so I couldn't save my last attempt. :/
[23:29:22] <Bytram> take a look at the comments here: http://meta.dev.soylentnews.org
[23:29:23] <monopoly> Title: Dev.SN | Unicode test
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[23:30:10] <Ethanol-fueled> Gonna bail. See y'all in an hour so, when WINO MODE = ACTIVATE
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[23:30:15] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: specificaly, look at: http://meta.dev.soylentnews.org
[23:30:16] <monopoly> Title: Dev.SN Comments | Unicode test
[23:30:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> neat, dunno why
[23:30:46] <Bytram> would you like me to send you the file?
[23:31:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure, pastebin the sucker
[23:31:40] <Bytram> you're on IRC, right? what do you use for a client? I can probably paste it straight to you. =)
[23:31:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> go for it
[23:32:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> just got a wee bit further...
[23:34:44] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Okay, it looks like I'm offering it to you; not sure what you need to do on your end to accept it. It's 491KB
[23:35:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> already accepted. you behind nat i expect?
[23:35:27] <Bytram> ooh, yeah, not of my choosing, but I expect so.
[23:35:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[23:35:43] <Bytram> okay, let me cancel that and try plan B
[23:35:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> i am too but i'm dmz'd so not an issue
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[23:36:34] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: couple of steps to this; go to https://github.com
[23:36:35] <monopoly> Title: bits/UTF-8-Unicode-Test-Documents · GitHub
[23:38:44] <Bytram> if you want *each* UTF-8 char separated from the next with a space, then get the "UTF-8_sequence_separated"; otherwise, they are all jammed in a sequence in "UTF-8_sequence_unseparated"
[23:39:17] <NCommander> Hey
[23:39:20] <Bytram> there's also the "generator" that is a perl script that generated the whole thing.
[23:39:28] <Bytram> NCommander: hay!
[23:39:33] <NCommander> SO what's going on?
[23:39:39] * NCommander is finally feeling warm and relatively good
[23:40:06] <Bytram> I finished a nap and came back for more fun playing with UTF-8; TheMightyBuzzard seems to be making good progress!
[23:40:17] <Bytram> yay!
[23:40:51] <Bytram> hmmm, just saw this on the feed: http://www.forbes.com
[23:40:52] <monopoly> Title: Huawei Launches Website To Sell Unlocked Phones Directly To U.S. Customers - Forbes
[23:41:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> making something. found a fun error i gotta kill first.
[23:41:36] <Bytram> now, it does depend on whether or not you worry about reports on Huawei being backdoored and all,
[23:41:57] <Bytram> "fun" error? LOL! I *like* your attitude!
[23:42:35] <Bytram> As for UTF-8 testing, I pulled down the entire tree at: https://github.com
[23:42:37] <monopoly> Title: bits/UTF-8-Unicode-Test-Documents · GitHub
[23:42:55] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, you mean getting it to store in the database or something else?
[23:43:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh nah, it stores peachy
[23:44:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> reads from fine too
[23:44:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> what it doesn't do is handle stuff that came in to admin.pl via post/get well
[23:46:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> fixing that as we speak i think
[23:49:52] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, you are awesome
[23:49:58] * NCommander has to do some writing
[23:50:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> possibly. i'm holding off until it actually works all the way through enough for alpha testing to say so.
[23:52:13] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: looking things over again, it looks like you'd only need to download the generator, customize it with a destination dir, and let it run...
[23:52:21] <Bytram> the generator can be found at: https://github.com
[23:52:22] <monopoly> Title: UTF-8-Unicode-Test-Documents/generator/utf8_sequence_generator.pl at master · bits/UTF-8-Unicode-Test-Documents · GitHub
[23:52:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, going to hold off on that until i think i've got something working with simple one liners
[23:54:52] <Bytram> that's fine! It was nice someone went through all the work of creating these; including *INVALID* code points for testing purposes... wanted to make it available was all.
[23:55:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> well fuck me runnin, that did it
[23:55:12] <Bytram> no sense reinventing the wheel, or getting bit later, unncessarily.
[23:55:16] <Bytram> really?
[23:55:19] <Bytram> !woop
[23:55:19] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[23:55:23] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[23:55:23] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 10
[23:55:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> happy dance and celebratory cigarette time
[23:55:37] <Bytram> a perfect 10, howz that?
[23:56:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> works fer me
[23:58:05] <Bytram> one heads up on the test docs that program creates; at the "larger" code points, they come to a few MB per file. Might be a bit much for slash to handle in a story submission. ;)
[23:58:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i wouldn't even try
[23:59:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, NOW you can say i'm awesome. expect a pull request tomorrow afternoon/evening after i've cleaned up the mess i made getting it to work.