#Soylent | Logs for 2014-06-11
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[00:00:29] <weirdpercent> NCommander: that's a pretty good price
[00:00:34] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, your lucky your family is interested enough to come visit us here :-P
[00:00:49] <crutchy> ~define shitton
[00:00:51] <exec> [urbandictionary] shit-ton: Widely adaptable large unit of measure. Generally speaking, take an amount of something that an average person may have and add a shitload more to it. This results in a shit-ton.
[00:00:58] <mrcoolbp> lol, yeah, weirdpercent: dad got a few stories accepted already
[00:01:27] <NCommander> I do find it absurd that they nick and dime you death for what is essentially a couple of numbers
[00:01:27] <NCommander> I mean, I kinda get it, since they insure you
[00:01:40] <crutchy> NCommander: i've introduced my wife to this irc
[00:01:52] <weirdpercent> mrcoolbp: that's cool
[00:02:06] <mrcoolbp> he found a few bugs too
[00:02:06] <crutchy> (never thought i would, but meh)
[00:02:27] <weirdpercent> crutchy: I wrote a command line tool that searches, among other APIs, urban dictionary. Ben thought I could adapt it into an IRC bot
[00:02:38] * mrcoolbp is Ben
[00:02:55] <crutchy> mine's pretty dodgy
[00:03:06] <crutchy> no api
[00:03:26] <crutchy> just scraping and gouging violently :-P
[00:03:33] <crutchy> ~
[00:03:34] <exec> IRC SCRIPT EXECUTIVE
[00:03:34] <weirdpercent> they have an unofficial JSON api that's pretty simple, that's what I used
[00:03:35] <exec> https://github.com
[00:03:35] <exec> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[00:03:36] <monopoly> Title: crutchy-/test · GitHub
[00:04:02] <Blackmoore> g'night all
[00:04:09] <mrcoolbp> later Blackmoore
[00:04:11] Blackmoore is now known as blacklmoore|afk
[00:04:30] <crutchy> https://github.com
[00:04:31] <monopoly> Title: test/scripts/definitions.php at master · crutchy-/test · GitHub
[00:05:34] <weirdpercent> http://api.urbandictionary.com
[00:05:35] <monopoly> Filetype: ASCII text, with very long lines, with no line terminators (1 lines, 4 KiB)
[00:05:45] <weirdpercent> that's the JSON equivalent
[00:06:06] <crutchy> haha 'asston'... cool!
[00:06:17] <crutchy> thanks weirdpercent :-)
[00:06:22] <crutchy> weirdpercent++
[00:06:22] <Bender> karma - weirdpercent: 1
[00:06:30] <weirdpercent> whee
[00:06:38] <weirdpercent> no problem
[00:07:10] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, BTW, I've been discussing stuff w/ matt
[00:07:18] <NCommander> Hopefully we'll have something put together by Friday
[00:07:24] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: great news
[00:07:46] <mrcoolbp> !karma mrcoolbp
[00:07:46] <Bender> karma of mrcoolbp is 13
[00:07:58] <mrcoolbp> that's lucky...
[00:08:10] <weirdpercent> bad omen! you stay away!
[00:08:20] <NCommander> !karma NCommander
[00:08:20] <Bender> karma of ncommander is 32
[00:08:30] <NCommander> Cool, a power of 2!
[00:08:42] <crutchy> NCommander++
[00:08:42] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 33
[00:08:46] <crutchy> mwahahaha!
[00:08:49] <mrcoolbp> lol
[00:09:10] <NCommander> Cool, a number divisible by 11
[00:09:18] <crutchy> :-/
[00:09:21] <weirdpercent> now it repeats 33.333333
[00:09:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, also a product of two primes
[00:09:46] <crutchy> mrcoolbp++ /yeah 13 is a bad number
[00:09:46] <Bender> karma - mrcoolbp: 14
[00:09:53] <mrcoolbp> thanks crutchy
[00:09:56] <mrcoolbp> crutchy++
[00:09:57] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 67
[00:09:59] <mrcoolbp> whoa
[00:10:09] <NCommander> Karma inflation!
[00:10:12] <NCommander> crunchy--
[00:10:12] <Bender> karma - crunchy: -1
[00:10:16] <weirdpercent> just like the US dollar!
[00:10:18] <NCommander> crutchy--
[00:10:18] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 66
[00:10:21] <crutchy> !whoup crutchy
[00:10:21] <Bender> uppers of crutchy are: xlefay: 16, Subsentient: 12, hax0rz: 7, MrBluze: 3, chromas: 2, arti: 2, kobach: 2, FatPhil: 2, Bytram: 2, Popeidol: 2, SirFinkus: 1, AndyTheAbsurd: 1, NCommander: 1, IT_phreak: 1, Bytram|afk: 1, mrcoolbp: 1, swisskid: 1, melikamp: 1, gallondr00nk: 1, ragequit: 1, juggs: 1, paulej72: 1, auto_def: 1, mattie_p: 1, prospectacle: 1, aqu4: 1, Cyprus: - 1 more
[00:10:23] <mrcoolbp> probably programmed his bots to do it
[00:10:32] <crutchy> holy carp!
[00:10:33] <mrcoolbp> or not..
[00:10:52] <mrcoolbp> crutchy you going fishing near a church?
[00:11:08] <crutchy> hmm
[00:11:09] <weirdpercent> what kind of fish is holy? angelfish?
[00:11:17] <mrcoolbp> sure
[00:11:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Studies Suggest That Mobile Phone Exposure Negatively Affects Sperm Quality - http://sylnt.us - don't-panic-just-yet
[00:11:20] <crutchy> fish might be more pure there
[00:11:36] <weirdpercent> not as much as mountain dew
[00:11:39] <crutchy> less canned tuna
[00:11:41] <juggs> crutchy, thanks for your suggestions on my journal - I'm not ignoring it, just not replying to it til it's done :D
[00:12:04] <crutchy> that's ok. i been a bit lazy working on my feeds script
[00:12:38] <crutchy> i'm gradually building up some web scraping lib functions for exec scripts
[00:13:10] <mrcoolbp> weirdpercent: in case you're wondering what they are talking about /join #rss-bot
[00:13:38] <weirdpercent> cool
[00:13:45] <juggs> makes two of us. after I blew Regurgitator away earlier with my fumble-thumbed rm -rf I was disinclined to meddle any more today, I need a damn good kip first
[00:14:27] <weirdpercent> crutchy: I see you've got wolfram alpha in that search bot. that's pretty cool, I thought about adding it to my tool but it seems very complex even to scrape
[00:14:47] <weirdpercent> if there's a json api that's much better
[00:15:24] <mrcoolbp> see weirdpercent: I thought you'd like it here = )
[00:16:03] <weirdpercent> you were right
[00:16:32] <mrcoolbp> weirdpercent: did you look at slashcode yet and proceed to vomit?
[00:17:03] <mrcoolbp> WTF linux mint is still loading....
[00:17:15] <juggs> installing or booting?
[00:17:24] * mrcoolbp needs a new computer
[00:17:43] <mrcoolbp> booting in a VM for installation
[00:18:01] <juggs> it's not the swiftest booter in my experience
[00:18:08] <weirdpercent> mrcoolbp: looking at, for instance, https://github.com I can basically understand what's going on
[00:18:09] <mrcoolbp> it's been 30 min...
[00:18:10] <monopoly> Title: slashcode/Slash/Display/Display.pm at master · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
[00:18:14] <weirdpercent> I see what you mean though
[00:18:37] <weirdpercent> brb smoke break
[00:18:46] <juggs> 30 mins?! wth man - are you running it on an atom chip with no VT-x or something?
[00:20:04] * mrcoolbp is running win 7 at 1.6 GHz
[00:20:12] <mrcoolbp> 2 gb ram total
[00:22:03] <mrcoolbp> juggs: its a fresh boot of windows too, I'm not sure WTF is going on
[00:22:06] <mrcoolbp> maybe it hung
[00:22:40] <crutchy> gtg see yas after workippos
[00:22:50] <crutchy> s/pp/po/
[00:22:50] <SedBot> <crutchy> gtg see yas after workipoos
[00:22:50] <mrcoolbp> later crutchy
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[00:23:24] <juggs> certainly sounds like it
[00:23:44] <mrcoolbp> juggs: maybe I should have checked "livecd"
[00:24:19] <juggs> mrcoolbp, how did you install it to the VM if not with a livecd?
[00:24:26] * mrcoolbp is trying it again
[00:24:56] <juggs> ir livedvd as it is these days with mint
[00:25:07] <juggs> s/ir/or/
[00:25:07] <SedBot> <juggs> or livedvd as it is these days with mint
[00:25:22] <mrcoolbp> yeah it was 1.2 Gb
[00:25:56] <mrcoolbp> well I'm back to watching the damn LinuxMint logo do absolutely nothing
[00:26:03] <mrcoolbp> let's see if it works this time
[00:26:52] <juggs> Esc should kill the splash screen and reveal the boot processing irc
[00:27:18] <mrcoolbp> nope
[00:27:57] * mrcoolbp tried that last time also
[00:29:03] * NCommander seems to be stuck with a canned message loop at startssl
[00:29:11] <NCommander> I fucking hate certificate authorities
[00:29:11] <juggs> edit the boot parameters to remove the quiet splash parameters next time ;)
[00:29:44] <mrcoolbp> I'm guessing that's not possible with an ISO, but I'm a touch out of my comfort zone here
[00:30:34] <juggs> Mash the shift key right at the start of the boot sequence to get the GRUB menu up
[00:30:58] <juggs> then e to edit the parameters
[00:32:03] <weirdpercent> mrcoolbp: you might have to tweak the Virtualbox settings, or 1.6Ghz and 2g RAM might not be enough in Win 7
[00:32:21] <juggs> NCommander, money grubbing barstewards the lot of them
[00:33:23] <juggs> good point weirdpercent - it's probably running everything from page file
[00:34:20] * mrcoolbp gave it 1Gb ram this time, I'll give it 10 minutes and the ngive up and go buy another computer
[00:34:38] <weirdpercent> juggs: yeah, I like linux mint but vanilla is kind of overly simplified. My linux mint is highly customized
[00:35:13] <weirdpercent> mrcoolbp: well I hope you don't have to buy a new one. worst case scenario besides buying new, is having to partition the HD and dual boot.
[00:35:38] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, looks like they're going to have to send me a piece of registered mail to verify
[00:35:49] <weirdpercent> and that could take awhile.
[00:35:54] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: hop back on that train then
[00:36:04] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I can get my mom to read the code and such from it
[00:36:08] <mrcoolbp> ah
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[00:36:32] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: then you don't have to return to living in her basement just yet = )
[00:36:34] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, the problem is it HAS to be a utility statement
[00:36:42] <NCommander> Bank statements don't appear to be good enough
[00:36:52] <juggs> weirdpercent, I'm fine with a fairly vanilla mint MATE personally. But eh, whatever works.
[00:36:57] <arti> as in you have an office?
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[00:37:55] <weirdpercent> juggs: well I don't know if customized is the right word. I run ZSH, terminator, and use light table as my IDE.
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[00:38:15] <weirdpercent> everything else is pretty much vanilla.
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[00:39:42] <juggs> weirdpercent, customised for a mint - most people seem to be new refugees and keep it fairly stock. Only thing I tend to always chuck on is Guake
[00:41:25] <weirdpercent> guake/yaquake are awesome
[00:41:59] <weirdpercent> mrcoolbp: remember in Quake the ~ would make the console drop down? that's what guake does for linux terminal.
[00:42:13] <mrcoolbp> yup, just looked it up = )
[00:42:21] <mrcoolbp> but I didn't make the connection, nice
[00:42:39] * mrcoolbp misses modding quake back in the day
[00:42:49] * mrcoolbp made a mod where you could kill barney
[00:42:55] <juggs> I still find myself mashing F12 when I boot into Win7 :D
[00:43:07] <NCommander> bryan, BTW, there IS some personal information on your SSL cert
[00:43:22] * NCommander can see your real name by looking at the certificate information
[00:43:30] <weirdpercent> anyway, guys, http://www.freewebspace.net is where I look when ever I'm looking for webhosting services. I've been a forum member there since...2000 I think?
[00:43:31] <monopoly> Title: Free webhosting - Freewebspace.net
[00:44:02] <weirdpercent> there's paid hosting and all other hosting-type services discussed there. a search for wildcard sert turned up 216 topics.
[00:44:15] <weirdpercent> s/sert/cert/
[00:44:15] <SedBot> <weirdpercent> there's paid hosting and all other hosting-type services discussed there. a search for wildcard cert turned up 216 topics.
[00:44:34] <mrcoolbp> you learn quick weirdpercent = )
[00:45:05] <weirdpercent> I like regular expressions, they're fun.
[00:45:42] <juggs> I don't use them enough so I find them a royal PITA
[00:47:00] <weirdpercent> since I'm mainly a ruby coder I use http://rubular.com and get instant feedback if my regex is working
[00:47:00] <monopoly> Title: Rubular: a Ruby regular expression editor and tester
[00:47:29] <weirdpercent> before ruby I wrote Perl code. that's part of why I'm here checking things out.l
[00:48:26] * mrcoolbp is trying to convinve weirdpercent to help out paulej72 and NCommander
[00:48:35] <mrcoolbp> er convince*
[00:48:46] <mrcoolbp> (sedbot doesn't work on /me's)
[00:48:50] <NCommander> weirdpercent, I'll buy you beer :-)
[00:49:19] <juggs> Ahh, rubular looks similar to http://txt2re.com that I keep handy for the odd time I do have to wrestle with it
[00:49:21] <monopoly> Title: txt2re: headache relief for programmers :: regular expression generator
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[00:49:49] <paulej72> NCommander: got sections menu on dev. It will spit out the skins in order of the table for now.
[00:50:03] <weirdpercent> NCommander: hehe, maybe I could help with your perl code. I mostly just did string manipulation and file ops
[00:50:22] <weirdpercent> juggs: indeed, never heard of txt2re but that's good to know
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[00:51:52] <weirdpercent> to give you some perspective, I was making websites on angelfire in 1995, coding in Perl in 2000, and coding in ruby for about 3, 4 years now.
[00:52:26] <weirdpercent> I was definitely the first kid on my block with an email address, website, and portable mp3 player.
[00:52:50] * mrcoolbp was the second
[00:52:58] <weirdpercent> yes you were
[00:53:21] <mrcoolbp> and my angelfire page had way more blinking marquee text boxes
[00:53:27] <mrcoolbp> it was soooooooooooo cool
[00:53:37] <mrcoolbp> that's how I got my handle mrcoolbp
[00:53:43] <mrcoolbp> had it ever since = )
[00:53:44] <weirdpercent> alas, you bested me at the game of angelfire.
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[00:53:51] <mrcoolbp> ROFL
[00:54:01] <weirdpercent> I remember my first email address, rodent83@gis.net
[00:54:11] <mrcoolbp> ah yes
[00:54:19] <mrcoolbp> mine was always mrcoolb
[00:54:21] <mrcoolbp> aol
[00:54:23] <mrcoolbp> yahoo
[00:54:30] <mrcoolbp> now soylent = )
[00:54:32] * weirdpercent shudders
[00:54:33] <weirdpercent> aol...
[00:54:51] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: didn't you say you still had an aol account until 5 years ago?
[00:55:50] <mrcoolbp> he said something about local access numbers a few hundred lines back
[00:56:08] <mrcoolbp> okay, let me check out my todo list here...
[00:56:44] * mrcoolbp gives up on linux mint working under VM for now
[00:57:19] <weirdpercent> sorry bro, we'll get you a linux installation one way or another.
[00:59:08] <mrcoolbp> no worries
[00:59:58] * NCommander swears more
[01:00:11] <juggs> install alongside would probably be the way to go if you have the HDD capacity to spare, although it's advisable to resize your Win7 using Win7 disk utils, it really really doesn't like it's partitions being messed about with by others :D
[01:00:36] * juggs hands NCommander a vBeer
[01:00:44] <weirdpercent> of course not. HOW DARE you install something besides Windows?!
[01:01:53] <juggs> I don't think it's that, it just keeps tabs on it's own partitions for integrity checking. It's perfectly happy to shrink itself.
[01:02:05] <weirdpercent> I've always partitioned my disks using Knoppix to boot a live CD and running GParted, or just running Gparted from the Ubuntu/Mint live cd
[01:03:17] <juggs> Try resizing a Win7 or Win8x OS partition like that and see if they still boot OK :D
[01:04:18] <weirdpercent> Oh I did, with surprisingly few problems, but there's always the potential for something to go horribly wrong whenever Windows is involved. I thought it was an acceptable risk.
[01:05:24] <juggs> 8 is worse than 7 for throwing a tantrum. It's recoverable though.
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[01:06:12] <weirdpercent> 8 is worse period. I almost want to go back to 7, this Dell came with 8.
[01:06:28] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, bah, its going to take 5-10 business days, I think its acceptable though
[01:06:45] <mrcoolbp> jeeZ
[01:07:21] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: we can still set it up though we'll just get more warnings right?
[01:07:31] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, might cause issues with SSL folks, but yes
[01:07:38] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, however, a catch
[01:07:41] <paulej72> NCommander: does that mean I do not have to bust my but to get the styling figured out
[01:08:06] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, the certificate is meant for "private sites", we'll have to do organization verification post-incorporation
[01:08:12] <NCommander> (oh look, more money going out the fucking door)
[01:08:22] <juggs> weirdpercent, Take the upgrade to 8.1, then install "update 1" - it's much improved. Still needs some ClassicShell goodness though for my liking.
[01:08:34] <mrcoolbp> weirdpercent: they are working on getting nexus like in /. set up so users can filter out things in that "topic" so to speak
[01:08:51] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, well, we can do it with standard topics as well
[01:09:09] <weirdpercent> juggs: oh yes can't do without ClassicShell
[01:09:11] <mrcoolbp> that part is a little confusing to be honest
[01:09:20] <mrcoolbp> topics VS nexuses
[01:09:39] <mrcoolbp> nexi?
[01:09:42] <mrcoolbp> anyway...
[01:09:45] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, nexuses
[01:09:53] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, in slash terms, they're essentially the same thing
[01:10:00] <arti> nexuses(tm)
[01:10:02] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: even more confusing
[01:10:12] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, welcome to slashcode, eject brain now
[01:10:17] <arti> lol
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[01:10:23] <mrcoolbp> eyerp
[01:10:24] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I think its best if we just have nexuses, and pretend topics don't exist except for the pretty icon
[01:10:40] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: did you check out that icon set?
[01:10:45] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, I'm discussing our incorporation situation w/ startssl now
[01:10:47] * juggs trundles off to google nexus ~again~ :D
[01:11:04] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I'll pester you about it later then
[01:11:39] * NCommander notes on things I hate to deal with the worst, I think CAs rate lower than payroll and the IRS
[01:11:40] * weirdpercent googled nexus too, couldn't find /. nexus with all the /. articles about "nexus"
[01:11:57] <NCommander> weirdpercent, politics.slashdot.org is a nexus, or yro.slashdot.org
[01:11:58] <mrcoolbp> lol
[01:12:12] <weirdpercent> ah, like stacks in stackexchange
[01:12:21] <NCommander> weirdpercent, ding ding ding
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[01:13:01] <juggs> hmm I didn't even know they had a name - just thought they were categories :D
[01:13:17] <weirdpercent> like supercategories
[01:13:41] <NCommander> The end goal I want is to get it to the point where end users can create and manage their own nexuses
[01:13:46] <NCommander> Kinda like subreddits
[01:14:48] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I was hoping we could make it easy for them to view a custom feed of their selected favorite topics, or is that what you are saying?
[01:15:12] <juggs> everything old is new again :D Next you'll be telling me someone has repackaged clustering and timesharing on big ass computery things and given it a buzzy name and everyone fell over themselves to pay for it
[01:16:06] <NCommander> juggs, maybe someday we can have SN run on a S/390 :-)
[01:16:46] <juggs> You'll need to find some fossils to keep the thing running first
[01:18:22] <juggs> Hmm, actually they're not that ancient are they.
[01:19:18] <weirdpercent> brb
[01:24:10] <NCommander> http://soylentnews.org - yay DF
[01:24:11] <monopoly> Title: SoylentNews Comments | Dwarf Fortress Succession Game
[01:27:35] <juggs> I think the only unixy thing I was dabbling with in S/390 times was as few Motorola 900 Series that we had installed with clients. Don't recall much about it, they seemed nice at the time.
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[01:37:58] <DrMag> Ok, time to go home. Goodnight, all.
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[01:38:11] <juggs> night
[01:38:23] <paulej72> NCommander: Please test changes on dev. I have sections menu, brief article css styling and nothing breaks when you set topics or nexus
[01:40:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Private U.S. Report Accuses Another Chinese Military Unit of Hacking - http://sylnt.us - show-me-some-evidence
[01:41:36] <NCommander> paulej72, beginning infinite monkeys test
[01:42:16] <juggs> ooh I see smiley faces at http://meta.dev.soylentnews.org
[01:42:17] <monopoly> Title: Dev.SN: Dev.SN is dead developers
[01:44:03] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, now they want to call us
[01:44:04] <NCommander> me
[01:44:06] <mrcoolbp> hmm, when I went to meta.dev it logged me out
[01:44:09] <NCommander> I really hate CAs
[01:44:17] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, ... am I the only one who doesn't have that issue?
[01:44:17] <arti> i hate canadians too
[01:44:19] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: at least you don't have to call them
[01:44:26] <arti> eww, never called one
[01:44:45] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: not sure
[01:44:54] <mrcoolbp> it's kinda random when it happens
[01:45:24] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: the cookies were never set up properly the first time so NCommander had to fix. Log out and back in and meta should work fine.
[01:45:33] <mrcoolbp> k
[01:47:38] <paulej72> NCommander: when we launch this we will need to tell people to fix the login issue with a logout and login. Also do not put the story about meta in meta so people will not have an issue getting to the story.
[01:48:14] <paulej72> NCommander: are we just doing meta and politics for now?
[01:49:57] <juggs> No - certainly don't put meta in meta... put it in the locked filing cabinet behind the door marked BEW... >NO CARRIER<
[01:50:38] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: on a related note, we can’t have theme specific topic icons, so all icons need to be theme agnostic. that means they need to work on almost any background without looking like crap
[01:50:58] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: yes agreed
[01:51:13] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: did you look at them?
[01:51:20] <paulej72> a few
[01:51:52] <paulej72> Ok I need to go get some food and supplies. be back in a few.
[01:53:42] <juggs> Is Meta supposed to have an icon on this page? https://dev.soylentnews.org
[01:57:46] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, matt has the domain right?
[01:58:04] <NCommander> juggs, no, but I temporary made it show up to test shit
[01:58:14] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: he should still have it, but it should be avail for transfer soon
[01:59:24] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, we need to get the WHOIS record to magic my name
[02:01:42] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, email sent to matt
[02:03:13] <mrcoolbp> cool
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[02:07:39] <matt_> hi
[02:08:21] <arti> hello matt
[02:08:33] <matt_> arti, hi!
[02:08:55] <arti> we just ordered some pizzas, you're welcome to some slices
[02:09:21] <matt_> nice! just insert them gently into your usb port.
[02:09:43] <arti> i figured i could scan them and you could 3d print them
[02:10:02] <arti> "let's build a beer belly"
[02:11:11] <matt_> NCommander, PM?
[02:12:15] <mrcoolbp> hey matt_
[02:12:22] <matt_> mrcoolbp, hi!
[02:12:31] <juggs> aha! I espy the matt_ behind the mask!
[02:13:23] <NCommander> hi matt_
[02:13:30] <matt_> NC, hi!
[02:14:16] <matt_> how goes the wildcard cert.-ing?
[02:16:05] * arti hears distant FF battle music
[02:16:12] <arti> i think they're still tackling the boss fight
[02:16:28] <arti> mrcool is doing ranged attacks with Telephone
[02:20:56] <juggs> ooooh the suspense - it's all too much :D
[02:22:29] <NCommander> matt_, I sent you an email
[02:22:38] <matt_> just got it. pm?
[02:25:36] <NCommander> matt_, sure
[02:26:05] <Konomi> they're going to cyber
[02:26:08] * Konomi hides
[02:26:12] <paulej72> NCommander: there is a hard coded system to keep ploitcs stories off the main pge we need to tgurn it off
[02:26:20] <NCommander> Konomi, .......................................................................................................................................................................
[02:26:21] <juggs> I see you peeping Konomi
[02:26:52] <Konomi> am not
[02:27:05] <NCommander> Konomi, piwik confirms you are
[02:27:07] <NCommander> SO THERE
[02:39:49] <mrcoolbp> hah
[02:41:52] <arti> well done konomi
[02:42:01] <arti> i'm surprised nobody mentioned this earlier
[02:42:08] <arti> Konomi++
[02:42:08] <Bender> karma - konomi: 11
[02:42:13] <arti> https://www.youtube.com
[02:42:14] <monopoly> Title: Cantina band 9 hours 59 minutes 59 seconds - YouTube
[02:43:58] <NCommander> paulej72, back up, what hardcoded system?
[02:44:27] <paulej72> # A kludge to keep Politics stories off the mainpage. The
[02:44:28] <paulej72> # proper fix would be to redesign story_topics_rendered to
[02:44:29] <paulej72> # include a weight in the (stoid,nexus_tid) tuple, and to
[02:44:31] <paulej72> # have gSE only select stories from its nexus list with that
[02:44:32] <paulej72> # weight or higher. Instead I've been asked to hardcode
[02:44:34] <paulej72> # an "offmainpage" boolean at story save time which will be
[02:44:35] <paulej72> # checked at story display time. -Jamie 2008-01-25
[02:44:37] <paulej72> if ($gSkin->{skid} == $constants->{mainpage_skid}) {
[02:44:38] <paulej72> my $om_hr = { };
[02:44:40] <paulej72> if ($stoid_in_str) {
[02:44:41] <paulej72> $om_hr = $gse_db->sqlSelectAllKeyValue('stoid, value',
[02:44:43] <paulej72> 'story_param',
[02:44:44] <paulej72> qq{stoid IN ($stoid_in_str) AND name='offmainpage' AND value != 0});
[02:44:46] <paulej72> if (keys %$om_hr) {
[02:44:47] <paulej72> for my $story_hr (@$stories) {
[02:44:49] <paulej72> $story_hr->{offmainpage} = 1 if $om_hr->{ $story_hr->{stoid} };
[02:44:50] <paulej72> }
[02:44:52] <paulej72> }
[02:44:53] <paulej72> }
[02:44:55] <paulej72> # XXX should only grep a story out if the story has
[02:44:56] <paulej72> # NO nexuses that the user has requested appear in
[02:44:57] <paulej72> # full on the mainpage
[02:44:58] <paulej72> $stories = [ grep { !$_->{offmainpage} } @$stories ];
[02:44:59] <paulej72> }
[02:45:04] <paulej72> from index,pl but it is not set to specifically look for polotics stories
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[02:45:28] <juggs> that clarified it I think :D
[02:45:31] <Konomi> question
[02:45:32] <Konomi> http://i5.minus.com
[02:45:33] <monopoly> Filetype: PNG image data1121 341 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced (41 KiB)
[02:45:37] <Konomi> note the new message with a *
[02:45:46] <Konomi> but no link for me to go to the journal entry?
[02:46:10] <Konomi> comment moderation messages have content
[02:46:20] <paulej72> NCommander: I just remeber reading the comment but not the specific code so I wanted to make sure we were OK
[02:46:21] <Konomi> but new journal entires seem to have nothing for me
[02:47:17] <Konomi> the only thing I can click on is delete message x.x
[02:47:40] <NCommander> Konomi, strictly speaking, its not a bug
[02:47:55] <paulej72> Konomi: that was broken in the pervious version as well. I need to fix that, but I need to make sure that the journals are sending all of the info i need to make the url to the messaging system
[02:47:55] <Konomi> it's a feature to be blank!?
[02:47:56] * Konomi hides
[02:48:08] <Konomi> okay
[02:48:08] <NCommander> Konomi, /. and the old code did that
[02:48:25] <Konomi> no surprise there x.x
[02:48:31] <paulej72> NCommander: it works if Firehose is installed
[02:48:53] <NCommander> hahahahahahah ...
[02:48:57] <NCommander> Oh wait, you're serious
[02:48:59] <NCommander> I'll cry now
[02:49:29] <paulej72> all of the journal articles and story links were firehose links not real ones
[02:49:40] <paulej72> in the messages
[02:50:06] <juggs> There's another similar one in messages sent when someone replies to your comment to a topic, the final link that is supposed to link the the topic doesn't have a sid set so it goes to a page not found. I think it it those ones anyway, I deleted all my messages :D
[02:50:39] <juggs> s/it it/it is/
[02:50:39] <SedBot> <juggs> There's another similar one in messages sent when someone replies to your comment to a topic, the final link that is supposed to link the the topic doesn't have a sid set so it goes to a page not found. I think it is those ones anyway, I deleted all my messages :D
[02:50:59] * Konomi loves being the messenger of bad news >.<
[02:51:05] <paulej72> juggs that was a fat finger error and will be fixed when we update for nexus and utf8 support
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[02:52:47] <juggs> stuff gets fixed before its broken around here. Good work chaps :D
[02:53:50] <Konomi> oh I do declare
[02:53:52] <Konomi> many variables
[02:53:53] * Konomi hides
[02:54:05] <juggs> that was meant to sound like a good thing, but I don;t think it came out well
[02:55:03] * juggs hands Konomi The Cloak Of Invisibility - there no need to hide all the time now
[02:55:18] <arti> maybe Konomi is part turtle
[02:55:33] * SpallsHurgenson wonders what to do with his ancient 22" CRT monitor with really great color...
[02:55:41] <arti> drop that shit off of a roof
[02:55:44] <SpallsHurgenson> I hate to throw it away, but it takes up so much damn space :(
[02:55:56] <arti> donate it
[02:56:08] <arti> or keep it around if you want to crush children
[02:56:19] <SpallsHurgenson> I was hoping somebody would donate me a bigger home :)
[02:56:39] <arti> well, if you wither away everything will appear larger
[02:56:46] <Konomi> if I could be part animal it would not be a turtle
[02:56:58] <arti> okay then, pararie dog
[02:57:02] <arti> those things love hiding too
[02:57:53] <Konomi> guess that works
[02:58:00] <arti> maybe part turtle part pararie dog
[02:58:14] <SpallsHurgenson> part mutant killer turkey!
[02:58:21] <arti> Gobble gobble, mfer
[02:58:32] <arti> I NBC YOU!
[02:59:31] <SpallsHurgenson> nuclear biological chemical?
[03:00:03] <arti> so, microwave sneeze booger
[03:01:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Released - http://sylnt.us
[03:03:05] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, does it turn on with a great keerzzznnnngg noise and slap you in the face with a static wave?
[03:05:05] <SpallsHurgenson> juggs: sadly no, it is a well-behaved CRT :)
[03:06:56] <chromas> SpallsHurgenson: mount it in a window so the depth can hang outside and keep the neighbors warm
[03:07:00] <juggs> just a slight pause and a polite click then? I'm sorry to hear that.
[03:07:58] <SpallsHurgenson> if I had a bigger desk (and den) I'd keep it
[03:08:08] <SpallsHurgenson> hmm, I wonder if maybe I can hang it from the ceiling?
[03:08:24] <juggs> Do you not like your ceiling?
[03:08:45] <SpallsHurgenson> it's not the ceiling I'm worried about, but everything that would be underneath the crt :)
[03:09:08] <SpallsHurgenson> bastard is HEAVY
[03:09:30] <juggs> Well true - I can;t imagine sensible person would suspend it over their bed for horizontal viewing pleasure
[03:09:47] <SpallsHurgenson> (which is one of the reasons I had to get rid of it; the desk was sagging beneath the weight :)
[03:09:47] <arti> DEATH BY VIEWING
[03:10:22] <SpallsHurgenson> only quality Ikea pressboard furniture here :)
[03:11:29] <arti> maybe wetting it down will help :D
[03:11:54] <juggs> Ahh nothing like the scent of adhesive and formaldehyde in the morning
[03:13:34] <SpallsHurgenson> I got an old Athlon X2 desktop and a Vista laptop that may get the axe too
[03:13:52] <arti> take it to the cabin with you, it'll make a great heater
[03:14:09] * SpallsHurgenson waits for somebody to donate a cabin
[03:14:22] <arti> i'll give you my mine craft server addy :D
[03:14:32] <arti> watch out for the spiders
[03:15:22] <juggs> I have an Athlon X2 desktop serving as a space filler too. It lives by the side of the desk doing nothing. I just can't bring myself to throw away stuff that works just fine.
[03:16:46] <SpallsHurgenson> juggs: exactly how I feel. The stuff WORKS, I hate having to get rid of it
[03:17:17] <SpallsHurgenson> except I just got a new computer and screen, and the place is packed already. Something's gotta give :)
[03:18:08] <Popeidol> SpallsHurgenson: gumtree/craigslist
[03:18:51] <Popeidol> you might even get money for it, there are still some CRT enthusiasts around
[03:19:03] * SpallsHurgenson wants a solution that lets me keep his crap. :)
[03:19:15] <arti> have the replicator scan it
[03:19:16] <juggs> In fact I have numerous boxes of various components stashed away under beds etc. that were all working fine when decommissioned - all lovingly kept in anti-static bags with associated manuals (remember those!) and driver diskettes. I know I'll never use any of it - but if I throw even one thing out I know I'll need it the next month.
[03:19:18] <SpallsHurgenson> as I suggested earlier, donations of a bigger home are welcome :)
[03:19:21] <Popeidol> ahhhh. My solution to that is a wardrobe filled with computers.
[03:19:34] <arti> juggs, you mean those paper things that are derived from pdfs?
[03:19:53] * juggs crushes arti's head with a manual
[03:20:02] * arti dodges the 75kb item
[03:20:05] <SpallsHurgenson> actually, the worst part of losing the CRT is that I used to use it as a shelf :)
[03:20:18] <SpallsHurgenson> now where am I going to put my toy battlemechs? :)
[03:20:38] <Popeidol> they're also great for keeping your food warm in winter
[03:20:45] <juggs> umm... on the cheap ikea shelf
[03:26:49] <SpallsHurgenson> I'll probably end up - reluctantly and with much manly tears in my eyes - craigslisting it. It seems a sad reward for such nice kit :(
[03:27:22] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, I am sure you can convince yourself that you ~have~ to keep that CRT as a 2nd tier emergency just in case screen for plugging into a headless server you may or may not have
[03:27:51] <SpallsHurgenson> juggs: I already have two spare 14" LCDs waiting for that emergency :)
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[03:28:25] * SpallsHurgenson is really crowded for space, what with my hoarding habit :)
[03:28:33] <Ethanol-fueled> any admins listenin'?
[03:28:36] <arti> well the news papers will be totally worth it
[03:28:39] <juggs> But do you trust them not to let you down?
[03:28:55] <SpallsHurgenson> juggs: honestly, more than I do the C
[03:29:04] <Ethanol-fueled> Was wondering whether or not supermoderation was taking place on a trial basis.
[03:29:05] <SpallsHurgenson> RT. that thing is so damned fragile :)
[03:29:29] <Ethanol-fueled> and what are you guys talking about?
[03:29:36] <juggs> meh, chuck it off a tall building and be done with it.
[03:29:48] * SpallsHurgenson has to chuck old gear 'cause I keep getting new stuff :)
[03:29:55] <juggs> old kit Ethanol and hoarding thereof
[03:30:36] <Ethanol-fueled> Nice.
[03:30:47] * SpallsHurgenson gets attached to his loot :)
[03:30:51] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm sure you all have shit like Sun Sparcstation 10's and shit sitting around
[03:31:01] <Ethanol-fueled> or SGI octanes
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[03:31:14] * arti has an ultrasparc
[03:31:24] <arti> dat keyboard
[03:31:58] <juggs> Come to think of it, I have a Wyse serial console somewhere... I swear that used to fly at 19200
[03:32:31] <juggs> Probably inhabited by mice in the garage now
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[03:36:22] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm actually much better than I used to be; most gear that I don't realistically expect to use either gets dismantled or tossed
[03:36:35] <SpallsHurgenson> (for varying degrees of "realistic" :)
[03:38:07] <SpallsHurgenson> 'course, this also means I find "uses" for computers that aren't entirely warranted (like the laptop in the kitchen... you know, in case I need to look up a recipe while cooking :)
[03:38:57] <juggs> Well realistically I have no use for the SCSI RAID adapters and cables that reside under my bed.... still can't dispose of them. I doubt there's any SCSI hd's of that era still running.
[03:39:46] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, PARTS are a different story. those take up so little room I can hang onto tons of stuff :)
[03:40:13] * SpallsHurgenson is sure he will one day need a 256KB ISA VGA video-card :)
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[03:41:16] <SpallsHurgenson> that 320MB PATA 5.25" hard-drive is also waiting for just the right moment to come into usefulness again :)
[03:41:34] <juggs> HAHA Likewise the vast selection of PSTN modems. ethernet and token ring adapters. Those are bound to come in useful.
[03:42:36] <SpallsHurgenson> although I have to admit I'm hanging onto my old ISA Gravis Ultrasound sound-card more out of nostalgia than ever expecting that I'll use it again
[03:42:42] <SpallsHurgenson> (it's just so BIG and RED)
[03:43:00] <arti> got an awe64 and a voodoo550 for the same reasons
[03:43:34] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, like my Pure3D 6MB Voodoo daughter card
[03:43:57] <SpallsHurgenson> I think I did eventually toss the Matrox Mystique it was paired with, though
[03:44:34] <juggs> You do know this shit will just be binned when you slip of the mortal coil or maybe if you live long enough go to some dusty archive room in some museum - only to be binned when the curator of the "vintage" museum expires.
[03:45:18] <SpallsHurgenson> I do every now and again cull the herd of power cables, though
[03:45:19] <juggs> We're all just dust in the wind :D
[03:45:42] <arti> you're what is known as a pessimist
[03:46:05] <SpallsHurgenson> I've given up trying to keep track of all those AC power convertor bricks, though
[03:46:38] <SpallsHurgenson> every now and again, I reach into the box and toss out a bunch of 'em. If I later find the device that goes with it, then I get to toss that too :)
[03:47:04] <arti> and so the great cycle continues
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[03:48:42] <SpallsHurgenson> there's a song in there, somewhere
[03:48:58] <SoyCow1785> any network folks in here tonight?
[03:49:19] <arti> i usually host diablo games, what can i do for you?
[03:49:43] <arti> have you tried rebooting it?
[03:49:43] <SoyCow1785> One of my clients has two programmers that are just killing the network
[03:50:10] <SoyCow1785> each has multiple RDP sessions going and the dumb switches seem to get flooded after an hour or two
[03:50:31] <SoyCow1785> I've rebooted the switches, the programmers, etc
[03:50:45] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, Kansas - Dust In The Wind
[03:50:50] <SoyCow1785> if I disconnect them the traffic eventually returns to normal
[03:51:14] <juggs> how does one reboot a programmer?
[03:51:16] <SoyCow1785> Ah yes, Kerry Livgren
[03:51:25] <arti> juggs, usually a shovel or a bottle
[03:51:29] <SoyCow1785> I sent them out for lunch
[03:51:38] <arti> chokehold!
[03:51:43] <SpallsHurgenson> put pizza in the cafeteria :)
[03:51:50] <SoyCow1785> I'd like to isolate their traffic to their little hovel
[03:51:58] <arti> throttle that shit
[03:52:06] <juggs> Are they traversing a NAT?
[03:52:14] * arti imagines monkeybars
[03:52:31] <SoyCow1785> do I need a small router (whcih seem to be expensive for what they offer) or would a smart switch keep their traffic in their room?
[03:52:52] <SoyCow1785> Right now they are just plugged into a dumb switch
[03:55:58] <juggs> Should be able to VLAN them off to themselves with a relatively un-spendy switch. But you may want to investigate MSS and MTU settings on your infrastructure first - you may just be getting packet fragmentation overload on a low end switch
[03:57:26] <SoyCow1785> juggs, would that be a 'smart switch' or a 'managed switch'?
[03:58:12] <SoyCow1785> This client currently only has dumb switches, so I'm sure their traffic is all over everything
[03:58:16] <juggs> Depends which marketing wind is blowing today for any given model from any given supplier :D
[03:58:34] <SoyCow1785> OK, which feature(s) should I look for?
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[03:59:46] <juggs> Well no, if they are actually switches then their traffic won't be all over everything. That would be a dumb hub situation that spews everything everywhere.
[04:01:21] <SoyCow1785> IIRC they are netgear ProSafe switches
[04:01:59] <juggs> You need to describe more about the problem - can they and whatever they are RDP'ing too be segmented away from the rest of the network?
[04:02:41] <SoyCow1785> it doesn't take long before I have the dreaded sync'd rapid flashing and everyone else's network perfomarnce goes to pot
[04:03:12] <SoyCow1785> Unfortunately they need to hit the same server as everyone else
[04:04:02] <SoyCow1785> I could separate them from most of the network and have their dedicated switch connect to the main switch in the server closet
[04:05:28] <juggs> You could try that I guess. Might work. Might not. Or you could actually diagnose what is causing the problem.
[04:05:55] <SoyCow1785> It seems to be the multiple RPD sessions each one is running
[04:06:22] <SoyCow1785> when I unplug their room from the rest of the network the issue disipates
[04:06:52] <juggs> OK - so work it through logically - where's the choke-point?
[04:07:04] <SoyCow1785> of course, they can't hit the server or the internet, which isn't a suitable solution for them (though I am comfortable with it)
[04:07:33] <paulej72> OK messges are fixed on dev and should be showing up soon on prod.
[04:07:52] <SoyCow1785> there is a small switch in their office
[04:08:30] <SoyCow1785> seven computers and a network printer are attached
[04:09:02] <paulej72> SoyCow1785: is it a good switch and good cables.
[04:09:09] <SoyCow1785> they RDP into the five computers they are not sitting in front of
[04:09:30] <SoyCow1785> it's nothing special, paulej72
[04:09:39] <SoyCow1785> that's what I'm looking to replace
[04:10:03] <NCommander> Seems I'm playing tag with Eth
[04:10:09] <SoyCow1785> and if I need to add another switch to isolate them (for the most part) I willl
[04:10:10] <paulej72> I have seen issues with cheap switches not working properly with the closet switch. they do not sync with each other properly and cause all kinds of network issues.
[04:10:10] <NCommander> pbnjoe, I HAZ NEWS
[04:10:42] <arti> did you save a bunch of money by switching to geico?
[04:10:58] <juggs> What is this "small switch" ?
[04:11:03] <NCommander> arti, I saved a bunch of money by cancelled geico
[04:11:04] <arti> juggs, chobits!
[04:11:07] <NCommander> pbnjoe, http://soylentnews.org
[04:11:08] <monopoly> Title: SoylentNews Comments | Dwarf Fortress Succession Game
[04:11:13] <paulej72> NCommander: I have two pull requests up. one for nexuses and one for two minor messge fixes
[04:11:14] <SpallsHurgenson> <snort> you made milk go up my nose with that comment, arti!
[04:11:15] <arti> NCommander: did you do this after staying at a holiday in express?
[04:11:22] <SpallsHurgenson> (and I wasn't even drinking milk)
[04:11:23] <arti> inn*
[04:11:24] <SoyCow1785> The canary in the coal mine here is several Brother printers drop off the network ... poof
[04:11:39] * arti milks SpallsHurgenson
[04:11:46] <NCommander> paulej72, yay
[04:12:03] <NCommander> SoyCow1785, issues?
[04:12:04] <SpallsHurgenson> usually they buy me dinner first, arti :)
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[04:12:30] <NCommander> SoyCow1785, sounds like a good dose of QOS might help
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[04:12:48] <SpallsHurgenson> helpful hint: check to see which window has focus before hitting alt-f4
[04:13:04] <NCommander> SpallsHurgenson, also known as a near death experience
[04:13:09] <SoyCow1785> NC, the issues I'm discussing are at a client, not with SN
[04:13:21] <SoyCow1785> SN is the best thing since soy milk
[04:13:34] Bytram|away is now known as bytram
[04:13:52] <juggs> SoyCow1785, a client that I presume is paying you for your vast experience?
[04:13:58] <SpallsHurgenson> damning us with faint praise there, soycow1785
[04:14:07] <NCommander> SpallsHurgenson, well he IS a soy cow
[04:14:16] <arti> better than a psycho
[04:14:17] <SoyCow1785> juggs, I'm not sure of the brand or model off hand
[04:14:46] <NCommander> SoyCow1785, I was referring to your problem. QOS the RDP connections so low that they only wor k when the network is idle
[04:14:47] <NCommander> :-)
[04:14:55] <bytram> hi gang! How's things?
[04:15:00] <SoyCow1785> NC ... ahhh, OK
[04:15:05] <arti> we're drawing straws to see who buys
[04:15:05] * NCommander used to be an evil net admin and may have turned down the QOS on a flatmates World of Warcraft raids
[04:15:23] <SoyCow1785> most excellent advice
[04:15:42] <SoyCow1785> I have altered their schedule to a degree
[04:16:06] <SoyCow1785> they are working overnights from home and not wreaking havoc
[04:16:07] <NCommander> SoyCow1785, that should solve the immediate problem though RDP is NOT a heavy protocol
[04:16:14] <NCommander> It shouldn't kill your network
[04:16:29] <SoyCow1785> but they need to be on site more than away, so I need a solution so they can work during daylight hours
[04:16:34] <bytram> NCommander: what a nasty (and crafty) thing to do to your flatmate!
[04:16:38] <paulej72> SoyCow1785: if the switch that the one office is on and the one it connects to are different manufactures that could be the issue. I had some older but still good Netgear FS108s that would not connect to the Dlink 48 port managed switches that the univeristy went to a few years back. they could not connect at 100Mb without setting the port specifically to 100 on the dlink
[04:16:46] <SoyCow1785> NC, I'm assuming it's the RDP
[04:16:50] <SpallsHurgenson> why did the flatmate get good qos in the first place? :)
[04:17:13] <arti> perhaps female?
[04:17:28] <paulej72> SoyCow1785: a bad cable could do the same thing. Also make sure there is not secret loop being created
[04:17:29] <SoyCow1785> They are only running dev environments, RDP and a small SQL Server test workstation
[04:17:31] <pbnjoe> NCommander, woo!
[04:17:57] <SoyCow1785> I've checked for a loop
[04:18:14] <pbnjoe> NCommander, as long as you get us going I should be able to keep the fort from dying for a year :p
[04:18:15] <bytram> NCommander: question for ya: has anyone reported problems with logging in today?
[04:18:18] <SoyCow1785> I've taken away any spare cables
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[04:18:27] <pbnjoe> also, my vote's still on hosting on B12
[04:18:49] <SoyCow1785> paulej72, I think they are different manufacturers
[04:19:27] <paulej72> bytram: not on prod as far as I know
[04:19:30] <bytram> NCommander: took me about 40 minutes of debugging and trying and retrying and rebooting my phone to finally gert it logged in.
[04:19:38] <bytram> s/gert/get/
[04:19:38] <SedBot> <bytram> NCommander: took me about 40 minutes of debugging and trying and retrying and rebooting my phone to finally get it logged in.
[04:20:40] <arti> that's convenience in the palm of your hand
[04:20:59] <arti> either that or you rolled really low on your skill throw
[04:21:01] <bytram> strange symptom: from the home page (sn.org) entered nick (bytram) and password, clicked login, and found myself on the same screen with no error message, and with the same empty nick and password box that I started with.
[04:21:14] <paulej72> bytram: shitty as phone on a shitty ass network :P
[04:21:23] <bytram> no "Danger Will Robinson" message or nothing like that/
[04:21:36] * juggs kicks firefox to the curb
[04:21:38] <bytram> tried it a half dozentimes in a row. no luck.
[04:22:04] <paulej72> did you reboot your phone bytram
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[04:22:25] <paulej72> clear you caches?
[04:22:27] <bytram> clicked on login in left-hand slashbox, and was immediately brought to my preferences page!??!!
[04:23:09] juggs|afk is now known as juggs
[04:23:14] <paulej72> https or http?
[04:23:24] <bytram> clicked on the "Home" image at the tomp of the page, and was brought back to SN.org (yay) and with the empty nick & pwd fields (not-so-yay) iow, it did not know I waS logged in.
[04:23:27] <bytram> http
[04:23:51] <bytram> *something* knew I was logged in, and something else did *not*
[04:24:03] <bytram> tyried various permutations.
[04:24:39] <bytram> finally, tried clicking on the "login" link in the slashbox and saw the really wide fields for nick and password; entered them there and that got me on.
[04:25:51] <bytram> now that I finally got logged in, the cookie seemed to take care of things after that.
[04:26:31] <bytram> istr running into something similar a couple months or so ago, so I'm not certain that it is a regression.
[04:27:45] <paulej72> your cache and cookies were messed up on your phone bytram, usually you can clear them by going to the data or storage settings in the prefernces for the phone.
[04:27:47] <bytram> not a lot to go on, I know, but I found it hard to debug, type on my phone, get my lunch, and ALSO take notes at the same time.
[04:28:32] <bytram> paulej72: good guess, not good enough. I cleared cache, cookies, pushed content. restarted phone. same problem. :/
[04:29:46] <bytram> the more I think about it, istr having run into this a few times. Once I've wiggled my way and the cookie is well-and-good in place with valid stuff. then I can log in w/o trouble.
[04:30:04] <bytram> getting things working in the first place; that was the problem.
[04:30:28] <juggs> ahh the buzz that goes on between dev, QA and testers come release time - fuck me do I not miss it. It's like watching a super speed benny hill episode.... who will be the one without a seat when the release goes out :D
[04:30:28] <paulej72> bytram: I am sorry that you had problems, but you are the first today to have any issues that has reported it. only issues I saw today were on dev and were self inflicted.
[04:30:48] <bytram> thanks for the feedback!
[04:31:30] <bytram> yeah, the funny thing is, now that I'm thinking about it, I'm pretty sure I've run into something similar a couple/few times before, but it was very sporadic.
[04:32:15] <bytram> didn't want to miselad the conclusion, so hoped that there might have been a recent change that could be singled out. Now I'm more inclined to think it's a long-standing problme.
[04:33:07] <NCommander> pbnjoe, well, I'm going to do a stripped down embark, basically, a lot of wood, iron ore, food animales, and a pickaxe
[04:33:11] <NCommander> As in singular :-)
[04:33:24] <bytram> s/miselad/mislead/
[04:33:24] <SedBot> <bytram> didn't want to mislead the conclusion, so hoped that there might have been a recent change that could be singled out. Now I'm more inclined to think it's a long-standing problme.
[04:33:27] <NCommander> Wood -> charcoal -> smelt iron ore -> make axes+picks
[04:33:38] <bytram> s/problme/problem/
[04:33:39] <SedBot> <bytram> didn't want to miselad the conclusion, so hoped that there might have been a recent change that could be singled out. Now I'm more inclined to think it's a long-standing problem.
[04:34:44] <juggs> I randomly get logged out on live from time to time. But I am fairly sure that is because I have the "change IP" option or however it is called checked and I'm on a flakey quintruple NATed flakey-ass connection that doubtless changes my IP every nanosecond.
[04:36:00] <bytram> juggs: thanks for that! I occasionally found myself logged off, too. but a quick entry of nick and pwd (in the lashbox on the right-hand side) and I'm back in fine.
[04:36:28] <bytram> it's just the part of getting in the first time, once in a very great while, is a tremendous struggle.
[04:36:30] <pbnjoe> NCommander, so we have to trade for wood and food (excluding breed + kill), essentially?
[04:36:45] <pbnjoe> and make everything else
[04:37:39] <bytram> juggs: btw, just saw your rss bot replies on your journal... WOW! *exactly* what I was looking for! Thanks so much!
[04:37:52] <juggs> bytram, just my experience. But I know I'm and edge case on a flakey connection that can change presented IP when it reconnects and I have the option set to set cookie for individual IP.
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[04:38:35] <bytram> yaeh, I can't remember what I was set up with at first, I tried to find the thing that would be most tolerant and set it to that.
[04:39:04] * bytram can't remember the choices for the life of me. too long day following a too-short-night.
[04:41:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Getting Fingerprints From ATM Receipts - http://sylnt.us - betrayed-by-grubby-fingers
[04:43:29] <juggs> No worries, I'm on hour 30 since falling out of bed last and beer 8, I'm not even sure if it is SN that had the checkbox for "keep me logged in as long as my IP doesn't change" - I'm fairly sure it is, and I know my IP must change a lot, so the odd logout is not unexpected. If I were rational I would have looked instead of typing that
[04:45:02] <bytram> juggler: no worries! It's too late for me to consider playing around with my setting; if I goof, I'm not sure I'd be able to remember exactly what I did so that I could get back to what I started with.
[04:45:21] <bytram> in fact, looking at the time, it's time fo rme to be heading to bed.
[04:45:28] <bytram> s/fo rme/for me/
[04:45:28] <SedBot> <bytram> in fact, looking at the time, it's time for me to be heading to bed.
[04:45:42] <bytram> have a good night, everyone!
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[04:50:02] <juggs> NCommander, am I hallucinating or did SN used to have an option in user Prefs to keep a login / cookie live unless client IP changed?
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[04:52:37] <SpallsHurgenson> that's a pretty lame hallucination. somebody get juggs some REAL drugs
[04:53:51] <NCommander> argh
[04:53:53] <NCommander> can't sleep
[04:53:55] <NCommander> Kill me
[04:54:38] <SpallsHurgenson> download and listen to these https://archive.org <-- very soothing :)
[04:54:39] <monopoly> Title: The Sounds of Nature Collection : Gaia : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
[04:55:02] <paulej72> NCommander: how long have you been up?
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[05:01:07] <juggs> SpallsHurgenson, I left those behind long ago. The stuff my mind comes up with in dreams is bad enough these days, it really doesn't need chemical assistance.
[05:01:31] <NCommander> paulej72, approx 15 hours
[05:01:57] <paulej72> NCommander: nothing wrong with that :)
[05:03:04] <juggs> other than he gets tetchy without 10 hours a night :D
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[05:06:31] <NCommander> paulej72, I've just been kinda "eh"
[05:07:16] <arti> ncommander, how about a drink?
[05:07:26] <arti> better wait a few days actually
[05:07:32] * arti pats NCommander on the back
[05:07:55] <arti> turn on CSPAN
[05:08:20] <juggs> early onset male menopause - best get those hormone levels checked out :)
[05:08:36] <arti> is he a seahorse or something?
[05:09:34] <juggs> well given his last announced location was "lobby" that seems pretty fucking unlikely.
[05:10:31] <arti> i see, well enjoy your hormone lobbys
[05:11:34] <NCommander> .....................................................
[05:11:41] <NCommander> I hate you all
[05:12:05] <juggs> And we love you - now go to sleep little prince
[05:12:08] * SpallsHurgenson sings a soothing lullabye
[05:12:20] <arti> or the tech equiv, lullabyte
[05:13:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> tech equiv is the sound of case fans
[05:13:58] <arti> hd access noise!
[05:14:06] <SpallsHurgenson> I could never sleep to fans; the sound wasn't irregular enough. My brain started picking out the patterns
[05:14:36] <paulej72> how do you make a hormone … don’t pay her
[05:15:36] <juggs> I'd have thought that gets your legs broken..... or did I miss something ~again~ WOOOSH
[05:15:51] * arti sifts around for craigslist horror stories
[05:16:27] <arti> it's an older post, but it checks out: http://www.reddit.com
[05:16:28] <monopoly> Title: Craigslist hookup horror stories : reddit.com
[05:16:47] * arti munches m&ms
[05:17:55] <arti> "She did burn me on the ass with a cigarette on purpose one morning though. Who does that? That still pisses me off."
[05:21:02] <juggs> Who knew? Hook up with a random from some website - get burned. Even the soothsayers of old could not predict that outcome could they?
[05:22:09] <arti> couldn't be anything to do with alcohol
[05:22:14] * arti points to ethanol
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[05:29:21] <juggs> nope
[05:29:46] * SpallsHurgenson looks very surprised and slightly concerned
[05:29:55] <SpallsHurgenson> oh wait, right. I ate beans.
[05:30:26] <arti> better than a bunch of magnesium
[05:30:29] <arti> man that sucked
[05:35:10] <juggs> Gotta love that those ready to eat pulses in a tin are preserved with sulphur-yourgirlfriendwillnotforgiveyou-leathoxins
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[05:46:05] * juggs slithers off to bed
[05:46:11] * arti salutes
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[06:01:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NSF Bans Researcher for Mining Bitcoins - http://sylnt.us - not-for-profit
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[07:20:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Driving Associated With Poor Health Behaviours And Outcomes - http://sylnt.us - does-sitting-in-traffic-count?
[08:58:56] <chromas> Bender?
[09:01:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Teaching Approach Touted for Engineering Education - http://sylnt.us - and-called-it-the-internet
[09:03:06] <swiss> i am lovin my pebble
[09:03:14] <swiss> debating taking it off while sleeping
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[09:09:17] <crutchy> coffee++
[09:09:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 224
[09:15:53] <chromas> swiss: will it dial in your sleep?
[09:17:51] <swiss> nop
[09:18:04] <chromas> well that's no fun
[09:22:41] <crutchy> autodial++
[09:22:41] <Bender> karma - autodial: 1
[09:22:55] <chromas> buttdial++
[09:22:56] <Bender> karma - buttdial: 1
[09:23:02] <chromas> buttpirate++
[09:23:02] <Bender> karma - buttpirate: 1
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[09:30:50] <crutchy> ~time route 66
[09:30:51] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Wednesday, 11 June 2014, 06:29:38 pm
[09:30:52] <exec> [Google] Discover legendary Route 66 & plan your trip. Learn more at the Autry! - - -
[10:00:47] <crutchy> ping TheMightyBuzzard
[10:01:06] <crutchy> "The character encoding specified in the HTTP header (iso-8859-1) is different from the value in the <meta> element (utf-8)."
[10:02:27] <chromas> is that on dev?
[10:02:32] <crutchy> "Interested in <a href=http://bay12games.com/dwarves/>Dwarf Fortress</a>?, Join …"
[10:02:33] <monopoly> Title: Bay 12 Games: Dwarf Fortress
[10:02:45] <crutchy> prod
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[10:03:05] <chromas> oh, I didn't know that'd been UTF8-ified
[10:03:29] <crutchy> i know TheMightyBuzzard has been working on unicode stuff
[10:03:50] <crutchy> i dunno but just thought maybe conflicting header and meta tag prolly not helping
[10:05:14] <chromas> catbeingstupid--
[10:05:14] <Bender> karma - catbeingstupid: -1
[10:05:15] <crutchy> the dwarf fortress thing checked a wobbly cos there's hrefs without quotes
[10:05:29] <crutchy> s/ec/uc/
[10:05:29] <SedBot> <crutchy> the dwarf fortress thing chucked a wobbly cos there's hrefs without quotes
[10:06:18] <crutchy> prolly need to add w3c validation to the dev procedure
[10:06:36] <chromas> just pipe it through htmltidy :D
[10:07:12] <crutchy> quirksmode prolly doing its job
[10:07:30] <crutchy> most validation errors are cos of the missing href quotes
[10:07:36] <crutchy> isn't bad really
[10:07:55] <crutchy> only 12 errors
[10:09:00] <crutchy> the feed has some quirks too
[10:09:03] <crutchy> http://validator.w3.org
[10:09:05] <monopoly> Title: Feed Validator Results: http://soylentnews.org
[10:09:06] <monopoly> Title: SoylentNews
[10:09:30] <chromas> hm I thought I made it ignore itself
[10:09:51] <crutchy> i picked up on line 92 (the cdata thing) when i was working on exec's rss parser
[10:10:11] <crutchy> looked a bit weird but i don't know rss very well (i'm learning as i go)
[10:10:30] <chromas> that's on purpose
[10:10:49] <chromas> It's supposed to make it so it gets http or https, whichever you're already using
[10:11:58] <chromas> Not sure how many RSS readers handle that
[10:12:38] <crutchy> might be just a missing '>' then
[10:12:40] <crutchy> <![CDATA[<p class="byline">
[10:12:51] <crutchy> after the CDATA
[10:12:54] <crutchy> ?
[10:13:43] <chromas> there's one at the end
[10:13:46] <crutchy> ah now i see
[10:13:48] <crutchy> yeah
[10:14:29] <crutchy> the whole description html is wrapped in the <![CDATA[ thingy
[10:31:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Clinton PAC DMCA's Parodies, CafePress and Zazzle Roll-Over without a Fight - http://sylnt.us - Powah!
[10:32:11] <crutchy> http://www.historyofinformation.com
[10:32:12] <monopoly> Title: The Most Famous Image in the Early History of Computing (1839) : HistoryofInformation.com
[10:32:39] <crutchy> hmm
[10:33:10] <crutchy> Bender: s/a Fight/Foreplay/
[10:33:10] <SedBot> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Clinton PAC DMCA's Parodies, CafePress and Zazzle Roll-Over without Foreplay - http://sylnt.us - Powah!
[10:33:49] <chromas> No foreplay? Oh noes!
[10:34:23] <chromas> SedBot: s/play/skin/
[10:34:23] <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Clinton PAC DMCA's Parodies, CafePress and Zazzle Roll-Over without Foreskin - http://sylnt.us - Powah!
[10:35:28] <crutchy> SedBot: s/<*>//
[10:35:28] <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <chromas <SedBot> <crutchy> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Clinton PAC DMCA's Parodies, CafePress and Zazzle Roll-Over without Foreskin - http://sylnt.us - Powah!
[10:35:38] <crutchy> :-/
[10:35:52] <chromas> SedBot: s/.*//
[10:35:52] <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot>
[10:36:40] <chromas> SedBot: s/(.<)(.>)//g
[10:36:41] <crutchy> SedBot: s/<.*>//g
[10:36:41] <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot>
[10:37:08] <chromas> Bender: s/(.<)(.>)//g
[10:37:18] <chromas> ^ derp
[10:37:43] <chromas> Bender: s/(.\<)(.\>)//g
[10:37:43] <SedBot> <chromas> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Clinton PAC DMCA Parodies, CafePress and Zazzle Roll-Over without Fight - http://sylnt.us - Powah!
[10:46:32] <crutchy> i did some programming on paper today. felt so geeky :-P
[10:55:35] <chromas> What did you use for indents?
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[12:06:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:06:58] <Bender> karma - coffee: 225
[12:07:38] <chromas> crutchy.summon.activate()
[12:09:13] <crutchy> exec.crud.find.code.in.here.somewhere....ahah!..code.summon(cookie)
[12:10:49] <chromas> /quit
[12:11:46] <chromas> ^ Copy/paste this so Mark Zuckerburg will give everybody $50 or SoylentNews will become pay-only
[12:12:31] <crutchy> /quit?
[12:12:48] <chromas> cheater
[12:13:40] <crutchy> coffee++
[12:13:40] <Bender> karma - coffee: 226
[12:13:47] <crutchy> !karma bacon
[12:13:47] <Bender> karma of bacon is 234
[12:14:04] <chromas> ~karma juggler
[12:14:08] <chromas> !karma juggler
[12:14:08] <Bender> juggler doesn't have karma yet.
[12:14:23] <crutchy> jiggler++
[12:14:23] <Bender> karma - jiggler: 1
[12:14:24] <chromas> !karma services
[12:14:24] <Bender> services doesn't have karma yet.
[12:14:41] <chromas> jiggly++
[12:14:41] <Bender> karma - jiggly: 1
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[12:30:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Another Interview with Linus (yes, that Linus) - http://sylnt.us - ntrvu
[12:38:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> feels like a good morning to give work and slash the finger and go fishing
[12:39:48] <crutchy> sounds like a plan
[12:40:29] <crutchy> ~fish
[12:41:26] <crutchy> exec: ooh! it looks like you have a bite. aww fishy got away. haha you suck at pretend fishing!
[12:42:27] <chromas> You have to lay traps
[12:42:40] <chromas> Lay a circle of slashcode and beta around the fish
[12:42:45] <crutchy> lol
[12:42:52] <chromas> and they'll come running
[12:43:11] <crutchy> and some buck feta toe cheese for good measure
[12:44:10] * crutchy wonders whether a twist on the karma thing with ~fish and random catching of fish might be a little too rediculous
[12:55:59] <chromas> Oh no! My electricity is brown and it set me back 19 hours. Is that racist?
[12:57:58] <crutchy> is irpg spouting anti-obama sentiments?
[12:58:10] <crutchy> s/sent/cond/
[12:58:11] <SedBot> <crutchy> is irpg spouting anti-obama condiments?
[12:58:35] <chromas> Mmm, pineapple
[12:58:41] <chromas> Not a condiment I guess
[12:58:47] <chromas> bbq sauce, then
[12:58:56] <crutchy> SedBot: s/iments/oms/
[12:58:57] <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <crutchy> is irpg spouting anti-obama condoms?
[12:59:30] <chromas> SedBot: s/i-ob/or/
[12:59:31] <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <crutchy> is irpg spouting antorama condoms?
[13:00:16] <crutchy> lol
[13:00:53] <chromas> SedBot: s/ant/aunt/
[13:00:54] <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <crutchy> is irpg spouting auntorama condoms?
[13:01:24] <crutchy> SedBot: s/aunto/futu/
[13:01:24] <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <crutchy> is irpg spouting futurama condoms?
[13:02:20] <chromas> SedBot: s/ s/ /
[13:02:20] <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <crutchy> is irpg pouting futurama condoms?
[13:02:33] <chromas> SedBot: s/ting/tine/
[13:02:33] <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <chromas> <SedBot> <crutchy> <SedBot> <crutchy> is irpg poutine futurama condoms?
[13:02:41] <crutchy> lol beat me to it :-P
[13:02:52] <Konomi> http://i.minus.com
[13:02:56] <Konomi> there are no words
[13:03:09] <chromas> oh yeah
[13:03:27] <crutchy> i don't get that caption, but the movie is awesome!
[13:03:39] <chromas> Somebody linked to that bacl when we were on freenode and I had to watch it
[13:03:44] <Konomi> the dog is barking
[13:03:46] <Konomi> not he spaceshit
[13:03:50] <crutchy> ah the 80's, when NASA actually kinda still did stuff
[13:03:50] <Konomi> spaceship
[13:03:54] <Konomi> space ships do not bark.
[13:04:06] <chromas> Konomi: is it fansubbed?
[13:04:11] <Konomi> no that's offical...
[13:04:17] <crutchy> maybe it was max?
[13:04:28] <crutchy> or maybe the dog just really wanted something to piss on
[13:04:31] <chromas> Jinx put Max in sapce; Jinx can get Max out
[13:04:33] <Konomi> there is a gudard dog in the spaceship
[13:04:37] <Konomi> and the spaceship is seamless ;p
[13:05:01] <chromas> It's funny that Disney credited Paul Reubans as PAll Mall
[13:05:11] <chromas> Are cigarettes worse than Peewee Herman?
[13:05:17] <chromas> s/worse/better/
[13:05:18] <SedBot> <chromas> Are cigarettes better than Peewee Herman?
[13:05:35] <crutchy> lmao i just figured out what that screen cap was about :-P
[13:06:05] <Konomi> I also hate where english subtitles literally skip dialog
[13:06:07] * crutchy is semi-conscious
[13:06:11] <Konomi> and substitute it with something else
[13:07:41] <crutchy> and stuff like this... https://www.youtube.com
[13:07:42] <monopoly> Title: Skrillex - Bangarang - LYRICS - YouTube
[13:07:50] <crutchy> although the comments are funny :-P
[13:08:21] <chromas> Peter Pan, eh
[13:09:09] <chromas> When does Mr. Jefferson come in?
[13:09:19] <chromas> "Look at me, I'm Peter Pan..."
[13:10:04] <crutchy> maybe its after the "weeaaah salsa on my balls boys... sweet brownie"?
[13:10:47] * chromas finally clicks link
[13:12:47] * chromas doesn't find any Hook references in the comments
[13:13:06] <crutchy> i think everyone's too preoccupied with weed
[13:13:16] <chromas> And ball salsa
[13:13:19] <chromas> ballsa
[13:13:20] <crutchy> lol
[13:13:35] <crutchy> at least its not ballsauce
[13:13:59] <crutchy> ~define ballsauce
[13:14:02] <exec> [urbandictionary] ball sauce: The stuff that erupts from the penis during ejaculation.
[13:14:13] * chromas still doesn't know how dubstep is different from any other elecronic and/or techno music
[13:14:27] <crutchy> that definition wasn't very creative
[13:14:42] <chromas> ~ud-edit ballsauce
[13:14:46] <crutchy> i think its just the disjointed stuff
[13:14:57] <crutchy> skipping etc
[13:15:23] <crutchy> though there's lots of other *step apparently
[13:15:27] <crutchy> chillstep
[13:15:30] <crutchy> ^is nice
[13:15:45] <chromas> NeXTStep
[13:15:51] <chromas> openstep
[13:16:06] <crutchy> some of skrillex music is probaly not really dubstep
[13:16:33] <crutchy> i think its also characterized by things like bass drops and stuff
[13:16:58] <chromas> So the Prodigy doesn't count then
[13:18:23] <chromas> breakbeats++
[13:18:23] <Bender> karma - breakbeats: 1
[13:19:13] <crutchy> even stuff like this https://www.youtube.com may not be really dubstep
[13:19:14] <monopoly> Title: Knife Party - Centipede (only song)[eliminated introduction] - YouTube
[13:19:33] <crutchy> more like popstep :-P
[13:20:07] <crutchy> though it takes samples and repeats the crap out of them so that's kinda dubsteppish
[13:22:26] <chromas> monopoly: s/Knife /lemon/
[13:22:26] <SedBot> <chromas> <monopoly> Title: lemonParty - Centipede (only song)[eliminated introduction] - YouTube
[13:22:50] <crutchy> lol
[13:23:09] <chromas> ~define lemonparty
[13:23:11] <exec> [urbandictionary] lemonparty: One of the unholy trinity of internet pictures which all must witness to be 'jaded internet users' (tubgirl, goatse, and lemonparty), lemonparty is probably the tamest of the three by just bei...
[13:23:37] <crutchy> definition of dubstep: any song with shit funny lyrics like what this doofus came up with lmao... https://www.youtube.com
[13:23:39] <monopoly> Title: Knife Party - Centipede (Original Mix) - LYRICS! - YouTube
[13:23:56] <chromas> http://ugress.com
[13:23:57] <monopoly> Title: Ugress - Sekat Alegna
[13:24:12] <chromas> lol
[13:24:45] <chromas> I wonder hoe much work he put into those graphics
[13:25:28] <chromas> DERR has a tiny p at the end
[13:30:39] <crutchy> is that the song with the simcity graphics?
[13:30:51] <crutchy> (link didn't work properly for me)
[13:33:15] <chromas> Different one
[13:34:09] <chromas> http://youtu.be
[13:34:10] <monopoly> Title: Ugress - Retro - Sekat Alegna - YouTube
[13:34:28] <chromas> That shortening wasn't necessary
[13:34:38] <chromas> Butter is just fine
[13:35:39] <chromas> There's one called Coffee but it's slow and repetitive
[13:40:11] <crutchy> coffee++
[13:40:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 227
[13:40:15] <crutchy> coffee++
[13:40:15] <Bender> karma - coffee: 228
[13:40:35] <crutchy> coffee++
[13:40:35] <Bender> karma - coffee: 229
[13:41:10] <crutchy> coffee++
[13:41:10] <Bender> karma - coffee: 230
[13:43:14] <chromas> Exactly
[13:43:24] <chromas> Exactly++
[13:43:24] <Bender> karma - exactly: 1
[14:00:39] <crutchy> coffee++
[14:00:39] <Bender> karma - coffee: 231
[14:00:43] <crutchy> coffee++
[14:00:43] <Bender> karma - coffee: 232
[14:00:46] <crutchy> coffee++
[14:00:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 233
[14:00:47] <crutchy> coffee++
[14:00:47] <Bender> karma - coffee: 234
[14:00:59] <crutchy> !karma bacon
[14:00:59] <Bender> karma of bacon is 234
[14:01:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Strikes a Blow Against Location Tracking - http://sylnt.us - whats-in-it-for-them?
[14:02:29] <crutchy> ~time il
[14:02:30] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Wednesday, 11 June 2014, 11:01:13 pm
[14:02:31] <exec> [Google] Find out current local time in U.S.A. Illinois Chicago. Get Chicago's weather and area codes, time zone and DST. Explore Chicago's sunrise and sunset, ... - -
[14:02:50] <crutchy> ~time ks
[14:02:52] <exec> [Google] 7:02am Wednesday (CDT) - Time in Kansas, USA
[14:03:52] <chromas> Bender: s/?/? Prizes, prizes, prizizes! /
[14:03:52] <SedBot> <chromas> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Strikes a Blow Against Location Tracking - http://sylnt.us - whats-in-it-for-them? Prizes, prizes, prizizes!
[14:04:40] <chromas> ~time poop cola
[14:04:41] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Wednesday, 11 June 2014, 11:03:25 pm
[14:04:42] <exec> [Google] Poop Cola is a ubiquitous product in the Invader Zim universe. It seems to be modeled after Coke...
[14:05:11] <chromas> ~time poop cola gangsta clown
[14:05:13] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Wednesday, 11 June 2014, 11:03:57 pm
[14:05:13] -!- JamesNZ has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[14:05:14] <exec> [Google] This is Poop Dawg, the Poop Cola gangsta clown with a little fund-raiser! ... to his face, & the sound of a cash register ringing is heard each time he says "prizes".
[14:09:04] <chromas> ~time not got much spam in it
[14:09:05] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Wednesday, 11 June 2014, 11:07:49 pm
[14:09:06] <exec> [Google] 13 Mar 2014 ... I need all the help that I can get because this is too much to take care of daily. ... Spam filters work by looking not just at where email comes from, but the ... the amount of spam you find in your inbox should decrease over time.
[14:34:23] <crutchy> might disable the google guff if location not found
[14:39:40] <crutchy> ~list-auth
[14:39:41] <exec> ~q ~reload ~dest-override ~dest-clear ~buckets-dump ~buckets-save ~buckets-load ~buckets-flush ~buckets-list ~monitor ~restart ~get-source ~del-source
[14:39:42] <exec> ~say ~bucket ~wiki ~ping ~test-rss ~civ-admin ~civ-map
[14:39:56] <crutchy> ~get-source irc.php
[14:39:58] <exec> successfully downloaded "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/crutchy-/test/master/irc.php" to "/var/include/vhosts/irciv.us.to/irc.php"
[14:39:59] <monopoly> Filetype: PHP script, ASCII text (1265 lines, 34 KiB)
[14:40:27] <crutchy> ~get-source scripts/definitions.php
[14:40:29] <exec> successfully downloaded "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/crutchy-/test/master/scripts/definitions.php" to "/var/include/vhosts/irciv.us.to/scripts/definitions.php"
[14:40:30] <monopoly> Filetype: PHP script, ASCII text (190 lines, 4 KiB)
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[14:42:07] <crutchy> ~get-source scripts/feeds.php
[14:42:09] <exec> successfully downloaded "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/crutchy-/test/master/scripts/feeds.php" to "/var/include/vhosts/irciv.us.to/scripts/feeds.php"
[14:42:10] <monopoly> Filetype: PHP script, ASCII text, with very long lines (188 lines, 8 KiB)
[14:42:32] <crutchy> ~get-source scripts/lib.php
[14:42:35] <exec> successfully downloaded "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/crutchy-/test/master/scripts/lib.php" to "/var/include/vhosts/irciv.us.to/scripts/lib.php"
[14:42:35] <monopoly> Filetype: PHP script, ASCII text (392 lines, 8 KiB)
[14:42:49] <crutchy> ~get-source scripts/time.php
[14:42:52] <exec> successfully downloaded "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/crutchy-/test/master/scripts/time.php" to "/var/include/vhosts/irciv.us.to/scripts/time.php"
[14:42:53] <monopoly> Filetype: PHP script, UTF-8 Unicode text (77 lines, 1 KiB)
[14:43:02] <crutchy> ~restart
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[14:44:27] <crutchy> ~time bugs bunny
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[14:44:29] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Wednesday, 11 June 2014, 11:43:12 pm
[14:44:38] <crutchy> hi konomi :-)
[14:44:49] <Konomi> ;p
[14:45:38] <Konomi> bai now ;p
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[14:49:14] <crutchy> bai
[14:50:41] <crutchy> damn irciv login scripts still need work :-/
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[14:53:52] <crutchy> hi konomi 8-D
[14:54:43] <crutchy> hmm lucky i didn't hit equals in there by mistake :-P
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[14:56:18] <crutchy> hi woods!
[14:56:38] <Woods> Hey Crutchy.
[14:58:58] <Woods> Uh oh, our timeclock site is broken, I may be AFK for like... three hours.
[14:59:20] <crutchy> timeclock site?
[14:59:56] <Woods> What we use to clock in in the morning
[15:00:05] <Woods> To keep track of hours.
[15:00:25] <crutchy> ah. for work
[15:00:29] <crutchy> that sounds bad'
[15:02:43] <crutchy> we use a little delphi program for that
[15:02:50] <crutchy> where i work
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[15:03:07] <DrMag> Good morning, everyone.
[15:03:13] <crutchy> g'day
[15:06:21] <crutchy> ~time usa
[15:06:22] <exec> [Google] 9:06am Wednesday (EDT) - Time in Washington, DC, USA
[15:08:19] <crutchy> ~time melbourne
[15:08:20] <exec> [Google] 11:08pm Wednesday (EST) - Time in Melbourne VIC, Australia
[15:08:51] <crutchy> time for me to pike out
[15:09:00] <crutchy> night #soylent
[15:09:08] <blacklmoore|afk> night crutchy
[15:09:15] blacklmoore|afk is now known as Blackmoore
[15:09:30] <Blackmoore> mornin all
[15:10:02] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[15:10:02] <Bender> karma - coffee: 235
[15:10:25] <DrMag> coffee--
[15:10:25] <Bender> karma - coffee: 234
[15:10:27] <DrMag> Not a fan. =)
[15:11:18] <Blackmoore> :P I desperetely need mine.
[15:11:32] <DrMag> To be fair, I can relate.
[15:11:37] <Blackmoore> not sure if i really want to call the office sludge coffee tho
[15:11:49] <DrMag> I always end up sneaking in a nap or three during my day.
[15:19:09] <Blackmoore> wish i could.
[15:24:17] <DrMag> Well, for me 'sneak' really is the key word there. ;-)
[15:25:27] <DrMag> though sometimes I don't intend it.. reading textbooks and journal articles is... numbing, sometimes.
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[15:34:11] <ar> coffee--
[15:34:11] <Bender> karma - coffee: 233
[15:34:17] <ar> neither am i
[15:34:46] <ar> Blackmoore: you shouldn't upvote it, if you're addicted to it
[15:34:59] <ar> Blackmoore: especially if you can't function normally without it
[15:35:40] <DrMag> GrapeJuice++
[15:35:40] <Bender> karma - grapejuice: 1
[15:35:44] <DrMag> That's what I could use right now.
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[15:40:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - RIAA Revenue Drops - http://sylnt.us - but-how-will-they-recompense-the-artists?
[15:41:53] <Blackmoore> ar, - i'm working on 4 hours of sleep. the coffee isnt the problem .
[15:42:59] <Blackmoore> the lack of sleep and being stuck in a cubicle for 8-9 hours - with work that doesnt intrest me is the problem
[15:43:34] <Blackmoore> but i gots bills to pays.
[15:44:07] <DrMag> It's a shame that to enjoy life we have to slave away all day, leaving no time to enjoy life. =(
[15:44:12] <DrMag> cubicles--
[15:44:12] <Bender> karma - cubicles: -1
[15:46:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> cubicles--
[15:46:18] <Bender> karma - cubicles: -2
[15:46:21] <AndyTheAbsurd> work--
[15:46:21] <Bender> karma - work: -1
[15:46:22] <AndyTheAbsurd> work--
[15:46:22] <Bender> karma - work: -2
[15:46:23] <AndyTheAbsurd> work--
[15:46:23] <Bender> karma - work: -3
[15:46:23] <AndyTheAbsurd> work--
[15:46:23] <Bender> karma - work: -4
[15:46:24] <AndyTheAbsurd> work--
[15:46:24] <Bender> karma - work: -5
[15:46:34] * AndyTheAbsurd will stop spamming the channel now
[15:47:57] <DrMag> work++
[15:47:57] <Bender> karma - work: -4
[15:48:00] <DrMag> I actually like working,
[15:48:04] <DrMag> I just dislike *having* to work.
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[15:57:36] <Blackmoore> the work I like and want to do has nothing to do with what I am getting paid to do. just because i'm good at it doesnt mean i like it.
[15:57:59] <Blackmoore> mornin AndyTheAbsurd
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[15:59:20] <Blackmoore> http://www.nytimes.com
[15:59:21] <monopoly> Title: Why You Hate Work - NYTimes.com
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[16:04:26] <Blackmoore> and frankly it's boring me to sleep.
[16:32:31] <Woods> Blackmoore: What do you do for a living? If you do not mind me asking.
[16:42:12] <Blackmoore> I'm in software distribution. I'm not exactly sales, or processing kinda someplace inbetween.
[16:42:33] <Blackmoore> i help reseller jump through hoops.
[16:54:38] <Woods> Oy
[16:55:05] <Woods> At least you get to meet interesting people... ?
[17:02:48] <Blackmoore> mostly email and phone. It isnt awful, the pay is ok. and the coworkers are decent.
[17:03:24] <Blackmoore> I need to get my programming chops back. and start putting out games for android
[17:03:47] <Blackmoore> it's the only thing i can think of to get the hell out of here
[17:04:38] <SirFinkus> so how long before we actually run out of ipv4 addresses? I read about how we're totally out every 3-4 months
[17:06:00] <Bytram> SirFinkus: My understanding is that the various registration authorities are starting to receive (or already have received) their last allocations; then it's a matter of how long before they've handed all of those out.
[17:07:17] <SirFinkus> I suspect there's a little "boy who cried wolf" going on right now
[17:07:27] <Bytram> that's assuming, of course, that no black-market springs up to re-allocate existing IPV4 addresses. :)
[17:07:33] <Woods> SirFinkus: Ditto, I remember hearing that we were out of IPs like... Two years ago.
[17:07:50] <Blackmoore> true; I thought people were re-allocating already
[17:08:26] <Azrael> I heard we can double the amount we have if we start using them backwards as well as forwards
[17:08:52] <SirFinkus> lol
[17:08:52] <Woods> Related: In Watchdogs, they use IPv6, at least our games have begun moving on.
[17:08:55] <Woods> lol
[17:09:17] <SirFinkus> well, I have an idea
[17:09:37] <SirFinkus> why don't we just allow all the 3 digit numbers instead of only 0-255
[17:09:46] <SirFinkus> man, I should be on the board that decides these things
[17:09:49] <SirFinkus> I'm a genius
[17:09:51] <Woods> Yeah.
[17:09:53] <Azrael> :D
[17:10:07] <Woods> Nice idea, I totally helped.
[17:10:12] <SirFinkus> while we're on the subject
[17:10:18] <SirFinkus> computers use binary right?
[17:10:20] <Azrael> you'd need to reserve 911.911.911.911 for emergency services (and 999.999.999.999 of course)
[17:10:22] <Bytram> SirFinkus: And why stop there? allow any hex char!
[17:10:24] <Woods> As far as we know.
[17:10:30] <SirFinkus> why don't we just use normal numbers?
[17:10:36] <SirFinkus> computers would be 10x as fast
[17:10:58] <Bytram> heck, use *any* character in each of the four positions!
[17:11:09] * Bytram claims dibs on "zzz.zzz.zzz.zzz." =)
[17:11:12] <Woods> I like where you are going with that hex thing, Bytram
[17:11:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> Bytram: is "zzz.zzz.zzz.zzz" going to be the same as "ZZZ.ZZZ.ZZZ.ZZZ"?
[17:11:47] <SirFinkus> 💩.💩.💩.💩
[17:11:52] <SirFinkus> get on my level
[17:11:53] <Azrael> or numbers as words? ahundredandnintytwo.ahundredandsixyeight.zero.one
[17:11:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> because if not, I want Zzz.Zzz.Zzz.Zzz
[17:12:00] <Woods> We should allow hex, AND double the number of octets
[17:12:01] <Bytram> Azrael: LOL!
[17:12:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Big Brother: Meet the Parents - http://sylnt.us - surprise-surprise!
[17:12:15] * Azrael is glad the conversation finally came down to his level
[17:12:18] <Azrael> Hi all
[17:12:24] <SirFinkus> you should be able to use abstract concepts for ips
[17:12:28] <Bytram> Woods: NOW you're talking! <grin>
[17:12:42] <SirFinkus> megacorp.marketing.team1.johndoe
[17:12:46] <Woods> Might as well make it 4 characters instead of three.
[17:13:07] <AndyTheAbsurd> my IP address is ::1 and I like it that way!
[17:13:30] <Woods> I made mine 127.0.0.1 on all of my devices, WAY easier to remember.
[17:13:57] <AndyTheAbsurd> they really should have called it IPv8 instead of IPv6
[17:14:02] <SirFinkus> Woods: I'm pointing my 100gbps botnet at you
[17:14:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> everybody wants a v8, nobody wants a v6.
[17:14:12] <SirFinkus> you're in for it now
[17:14:13] <Woods> SirFinkus: Oh snap.
[17:14:24] <Bytram> hey folks! I'm seing some wierdness on the dev server; anyone want to confirm? Try opening the comments page for this story: http://dev.soylentnews.org
[17:14:25] <monopoly> Title: Dev.SN | something or other Ꮄ Ꮅ Ꮆ Ꮇ Ꮈ Ꮉ &#505
[17:14:27] <Woods> I should have not said my IP on a public forum like this.
[17:15:02] <ar> 69.164.201.93
[17:15:04] <ar> there
[17:15:11] <Woods> Bytram: Same here, how odd.
[17:15:46] <Bytram> the next story which shows it has comments: http://meta.dev.soylentnews.org seems to load okay for me.
[17:15:47] <monopoly> Title: Dev.SN | html encoded unicode test
[17:16:06] <Bytram> I've noted it in #staff but was looking for independent verification.
[17:16:44] <Bytram> Woods: Looks like I can load the story "JP char test" okay too: http://meta.dev.soylentnews.org
[17:17:17] <Bytram> Woods: as well as the "Nexus Test" story: http://meta.dev.soylentnews.org
[17:17:18] <monopoly> Title: Dev.SN | Nexus Test
[17:17:52] * Bytram noticed that monopoly didn't get the title for the JP char test article?!?
[17:18:35] <Bytram> Woods: can you confirm the behavior on the other links I just posted?
[17:18:57] <SirFinkus> I get ??? for most of of NCommander's comment on the jp char test
[17:19:47] <Bytram> SirFinkus: same here, but at least the story LOADS okay (that's just a problem, I think, in choosing the right character set to display the UTF-8 symbols)...
[17:20:32] <Bytram> otoh, this link: http://dev.soylentnews.org keeps giving me an "Error 503 Service Unavailable"
[17:20:33] <monopoly> Title: Dev.SN | something or other Ꮄ Ꮅ Ꮆ Ꮇ Ꮈ Ꮉ &#505
[17:20:59] <Bytram> here's what I get: Error 503 Service Unavailable
[17:20:59] <Bytram> Service Unavailable
[17:20:59] <Bytram> Guru Meditation:
[17:20:59] <Bytram> XID: 1333171057
[17:20:59] <Bytram> Varnish cache server
[17:21:10] <SirFinkus> works on my machine (tm)
[17:21:55] <Bytram> SirFinkus: Really? I get the 503 every single time.
[17:22:02] <SirFinkus> hmm
[17:22:19] <SirFinkus> I'm not logged into the dev site, might be a clue
[17:22:40] <Bytram> SirFinkus: I *am* logged in. let me try it with lynx. brb
[17:24:05] <SirFinkus> Bytram, works if I log in :/
[17:24:51] <Bytram> SirFinkus: "works"? You get the page? Can you read *all* of the comments? I'm getting a 503 on paulej72's comment.
[17:25:17] <SirFinkus> yep, works
[17:25:40] <SirFinkus> everything seems to display correctly as well
[17:26:22] <SirFinkus> oh, just changed the comment display to flat and it died
[17:26:26] <SirFinkus> 503
[17:26:32] <Bytram> ding ding ding!
[17:27:03] <Bytram> it seems to me that paul's 2nd comment is giving me problems, but it's hard to tell with the formatting that I'm getting with Lynx
[17:27:10] <SirFinkus> checomp's comment is what is giving me issues
[17:27:29] <SirFinkus> every time I try and expand that one I get 503
[17:27:59] <Bytram> I can confirm the 503 on checomp's comment.
[17:28:38] <SirFinkus> everything else works though, as long as I don't expand that comment, or choose a threading option that displays it
[17:29:20] <Bytram> I also get the 503 on the *parent* to LaminatorX's first comment.
[17:30:37] <Bytram> which also happens to be paulej72's *reply* to paulej72's *first* comment.
[17:31:01] <SirFinkus> haha, now I do too, maybe I didn't notice it at first, sorry
[17:31:15] <ar> >Hopefully this converts and gets stored properly. Ꮄ Ꮅ Ꮆ Ꮇ Ꮈ Ꮉ Ꮊ Ꮋ Ꮌ
[17:31:44] <Bytram> unfortunately, they *all* seem to have that title. :/
[17:32:24] <Bytram> oops; I mis-read. I take back the last comment.
[17:32:31] <Bytram> blegh.
[17:32:46] <Bytram> I need coffee, a shower, and to head out for the day job.
[17:34:05] <NCommander> morning
[17:34:18] <SirFinkus> morning
[17:35:15] <Bytram> NCommander: g'morning!
[17:35:32] <Bytram> I was just about to head to the shower; hope you're well rested!
[17:36:39] <Bytram> when you have a chance, you might want to scroll back on #staff. Got some strange stuff happening with two comments on DEV.soylentnews.org
[17:36:55] <Bytram> hate to greet and run, but I really do need to get going.
[17:37:11] <Bytram> I'll leave the window open til I have to leave.
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[17:39:27] <Blackmoore> mornin
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[18:31:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Protests Order for Email Stored Abroad - http://sylnt.us - potential-for-more-damage-to-US-businesses
[18:44:23] <SirFinkus> lmao, there's some xss bug in tweetdeck and apparently thousands of people are sending out tweets without their knowledge
[18:45:24] <SirFinkus> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[18:45:25] <monopoly> Title: TROUBLE IN THE BABBLECHANNEL: TweetDeck XSSed • The Register
[18:45:43] * Bytram|afk hums Rockin' Robin .... Tweet! Tweet! Tweet Tweet!
[18:46:11] <Bytram|afk> have fun folks! out for the rest of the day.
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[18:46:59] <boioioing> that would probably be a lot more amusing if I knew what a "tweetdeck" is.
[18:48:53] <Bytram|away> it's a holodeck for birds. ;)
[18:49:13] <boioioing> lol
[18:49:25] * Bytram|away has no idea, either. :/
[18:53:21] <DrMag> From their website, it is apparantly this:
[18:53:21] <DrMag> The most powerful Twitter tool for real-time tracking, organizing and engagement.
[18:53:38] <DrMag> Since I don't use twitter.. I'd prefer the holodeck. =)
[18:54:52] <DrMag> Even with the official definition, I'm still not entirely sure what it is.
[18:55:06] <AndyTheAbsurd> I've used Twitter and I'd also prefer the holodeck
[18:55:13] <SirFinkus> it's an osx twitter client, really popular
[18:55:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> then again I don't understand the appeal or popularity of Twitter
[18:56:02] <SirFinkus> I don't either, I basically use at as an read only rss feed
[18:56:21] <SirFinkus> since it seems to be how websites communicate downtime and shit these days
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[19:18:23] <NCommander> I have a twitter but I never could get into it
[19:20:04] <boioioing> Yeah, I have one too but only to claim my "professional" username. I don't think I've ever actually used it for anything
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[19:58:21] <paulej72> Ok everyone who was testing on dev. I think i broke the db the other night by accidentially pasing the code from the user.pl file into my mysql session.
[19:59:36] <paulej72> I have reverted the database to what we had on Monday night, so the new posts with the utf8 stuff are now gone. we will need to retest this to make sure that none of that stuff is what was breaking the db.
[19:59:53] <NCommander> Congratulations! Your Class 2 Identity Validation has been confirmed and approved. You are eligible for certificates at Class 2 level until 2015-05-27.
[19:59:53] <NCommander> w0000000t!
[20:00:00] <DrMag> Great news!
[20:00:15] <NCommander> As soon as we can get fix the WHOIS information on the domain, we can get a wildcard certificate issued
[20:02:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Creator of Calvin & Hobbes Returns for Three Guest Strips - http://sylnt.us - I-should-start-demanding-full-page-color-department-names
[20:06:50] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, poke
[20:15:04] <paulej72> NCommander: In /srv/soylentnews.org/slashcode/site/soylent-mainpage/soylent-mainpage.conf there is this bit of code near the bottom
[20:15:18] <paulej72> # change default of "iso-8859-1" here (to, for example, utf-8)
[20:15:19] <paulej72> # if you change "content_type_webpage" in vars, and vice versa
[20:15:20] <paulej72> AddType text/html;charset=iso-8859-1 .shtml
[20:15:49] <NCommander> paulej72, do we have any .shtml files anymore?
[20:15:59] <NCommander> I thought with the dynamicifcation of about/faq, they were all essentially gone
[20:18:40] <paulej72> NCommander: authors will still fire up an .shtml file because of a hard coded redirect in Apache.pm
[20:19:51] <paulej72> same for hof.pl
[20:20:02] <NCommander> paulej72, yeah, but we're using htmlrefs (which honestly we shouldn't be but ...), does encoding actually matter?
[20:20:06] * NCommander still agrees we should change it
[20:20:14] <paulej72> see Apache.pm 525-545
[20:21:45] <NCommander> my eyes, they burn
[20:23:17] <DrMag> soylentnews.org is timing out on me... is it just my connection?
[20:24:31] <paulej72> DrMag: it was a bit slow for me but connected
[20:25:05] <DrMag> It's coming up now. Thanks.
[20:26:39] <paulej72> DrMag: nothing strange on the seen in the linode dashboard for the servers.
[20:27:01] <DrMag> paulej72: I'm in a meeting with a swamped network, so that may be it.
[20:27:15] <DrMag> Other sites were coming up alright, so I wondered if it was on the soylent end.
[20:27:36] <NCommander> I'm having issues with network connectivity, but not to SN
[20:27:58] <paulej72> DrMag: some network links are slower than others and maybe all of the users in the meeting were tring to connect to SN
[20:28:02] <paulej72> :)
[20:28:54] <DrMag> Hopefully they're paying attention. I'm just here assisting in python instruction, they're all here to learn it. But if there are that many soylentils at NASA, that's awesome. =)
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[20:29:53] <paulej72> python and rocket science: syntax error :P
[20:33:03] <DrMag> =)
[20:33:11] <DrMag> Fortunately, the rockets don't run python.
[20:33:38] <DrMag> Python is a good way to glue all the (legacy) code together, though.
[20:34:24] <DrMag> On a related note, I saw that Dave Jones has gotten his hands on a genuine Saturn V LVDC. Should make for an interesting video when he gets that done up.
[20:40:16] <blackmoore|lunch> http://www.washingtonmonthly.com
[20:40:17] <monopoly> Title: "5 ... 4 ... 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... Goodbye, Columbia" by Gregg Easterbrook
[20:40:35] <blackmoore|lunch> mm. retro news from 1980
[20:41:38] <DrMag> Some things never change.
[20:48:03] <NCommander> DrMag, I actually find perl bindings are generally simplier than python ones
[20:48:11] * NCommander notes its generally the last thing I still use perl for
[20:57:49] <DrMag> NCommander: perhaps; I've used some perl, and found python to be more intuitive myself.
[20:58:06] <DrMag> It seems a lot of people in the sciences are moving toward python, so there's that too.
[20:58:27] <DrMag> python is particularly useful to us when you add numpy and matplotlib.
[20:59:51] <mechanicjay> I found something buried on the bookshelves when we were moving offices a couple weeks ago: http://archives.smbfc.net
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[21:19:38] <Subsentient> DrMag: Repent, VHLL doer!
[21:20:22] <DrMag> Subsentient: Does it help that I also do microcontroller and FPGA programming? =)
[21:20:27] <NCommander> mechanicjay, REPENT, FOR THAT BOOK IS PURE EVIL
[21:22:02] <Subsentient> DrMag: Depends. What's this? const short *(*gerbil[2])(int (*derp)[10]) = (void*)0;
[21:22:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Decision Making May Be Random Brain Electrical Noise - http://sylnt.us - random-noise-is-where-I-get-the
[21:22:43] <Subsentient> $burrito Bender for interrupting Subsentient's test of DrMag
[21:22:44] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Bender for interrupting Subsentient's test of DrMag
[21:22:55] <Subsentient> DrMag: No cheating.
[21:23:21] <mechanicjay> NCommander: I thought you'd like that :)
[21:23:34] <DrMag> No need to cheat; I feel the call to repentance. =)
[21:23:53] <Subsentient> DrMag: So what is it? :^3
[21:24:04] <DrMag> No clue; hence I feel the call to repentance.
[21:24:20] <Subsentient> DrMag: lol ;^)
[21:24:46] <DrMag> Would love to learn, though.. just got to convince my employers to let me have more time to explore.
[21:25:24] <Subsentient> it's an array of 2 pointer to a function returning a pointer to a const short, accepting a pointer to an array of 10 int as parameters, and initialized to NULL without a macro (NULL is a macro)
[21:25:39] <Subsentient> DrMag: :^3
[21:25:53] <DrMag> Which doesn't make an LED blink, but I'm sure it has a use somewhere. =D
[21:26:21] <Subsentient> DrMag: Actually that's a tongue twister I throw at people to see if they know C well enough.
[21:26:26] <Subsentient> It's valid tho
[21:26:48] <Subsentient> If you ever write code like that you need to get your mind checked and your compiler confiscated.
[21:27:01] <DrMag> =) fair enough. What would you use it for, though?
[21:27:55] <Subsentient> DrMag: A pointer to a function is used so that functions that return the same thing and accept the same parameters can be assigned to a pointer like that, and then you can call the function pointer like a function so long as it points to a function that matches it's type.
[21:28:30] <DrMag> Ok, that almost makes sense.
[21:28:32] <Subsentient> it lets you choose which function to run without actually checking in the function you'll call it from
[21:28:50] <Subsentient> So you can make a function accept a function pointer as a parameter
[21:29:00] <Subsentient> I use something like that in my current project Septachoron
[21:29:21] <DrMag> Ah, ok. That's clearer.
[21:29:35] <DrMag> *more clear. I need to re-learn my grammer.
[21:29:43] <DrMag> *grammar. And spelling.
[21:29:46] <Subsentient> DrMag: Here: http://universe2.us on line.....
[21:29:46] <monopoly> Filetype: C source, ASCII text (365 lines, 9 KiB)
[21:30:42] <Subsentient> .... 266
[21:31:10] <Subsentient> DrMag: if (!Function(&Record)) { free(Record.FilePath); return false; }
[21:31:56] <Subsentient> static Bool TraverseDirectory(const char *const Directory_, Bool (*Function)(struct FileRecord*)) {}
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[22:29:08] <blackmoore|lunch> ah c. a computer language where you really feel like you're hacking the hardware.
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[22:30:29] <Subsentient> Blackmoore: you can mess with pointer and do lots of cool non-standard-compliant stuff, but if you are like me and are both a language lawyer and love low level, you need ASM. I am learning said ASM.\
[22:31:44] <Blackmoore> so very true. I only put my toe into ASM for the 6502 back in the stone age.
[22:32:13] <Blackmoore> I really LIKED asm.
[22:32:40] <Blackmoore> i also like getting it to do crap that was not allowed in higher languages..
[22:32:43] <Subsentient> Blackmoore: I do however take great pleasure in making my code nice, clean, and readable. I am vehemently pro-tab and pro-4-space-makes-a-tab, and I am also very pro-Allman braces
[22:36:26] <Subsentient> My code looks almost as clean as python imho
[22:41:53] <Blackmoore> that's good. because running a trace through ASM by hand you'll apreciate it.
[22:43:06] <Subsentient> .lol
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[22:50:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 'America Has Become a War Zone' - http://sylnt.us - articles-that-are-plotlines-to-movies
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[23:31:14] <chromas> NCommander n eeds a swearbot
[23:31:31] <chromas> *******
[23:31:33] <paulej72> NCommander: what is up?
[23:31:36] <chromas> It's also my password
[23:32:09] <NCommander> paulej72, dealing with a bug in UEFI
[23:32:18] <chromas> paulej72: did you lose 1?
[23:32:27] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm meeting matt_ in about 30 minutes to talk about incorporation shit
[23:32:39] <chromas> oh my font makes the 2 look like 1
[23:32:56] <paulej72> lol chromas
[23:35:08] <NCommander> paulej72, any ideas about the cookie issues? I'm kinda of the feeling the vast majority of login code needs to be torched and burned
[23:35:40] <chromas> Is there going to be a nexus for cooking and recipes? SoylentChews
[23:36:03] <chromas> (or Yous)
[23:36:33] <paulej72> NCommander: 1 most people should have there cookie set to everywhere instead of the default subnet as it seems most people use a mobile device as well as a fixed one.
[23:38:07] <paulej72> NCommander: 2 I have not looked at the specific code that actually does the login and cookit set so I can’t comment on this other than to say that issues due to proxies and nats seem to be a major issue that needs to be solved.
[23:40:07] <NCommander> paulej72, Slash/Apache/User/User.pm
[23:41:59] <paulej72> NCommander: plugins/Login/Login.pm may have some stuff that overrides User.pm
[23:46:38] <crutchy> coffee/++/damn/i/wish/i/was/still/asleep.pm
[23:46:56] <crutchy> mornin all
[23:47:35] <chromas> Hey Sophie B. Crutchins
[23:48:09] <crutchy> retro
[23:48:45] <chromas> Waking early means more hacking tiem
[23:49:12] <crutchy> ~time melbourne
[23:49:13] <exec> [Google] 7:49am Thursday (EST) - Time in Melbourne VIC, Australia
[23:49:26] <crutchy> sad thing is its not early :-/
[23:49:28] <chromas> oh
[23:50:00] <chromas> Well if you had gotten up early…
[23:50:05] <Blackmoore> mornin crutchy
[23:50:06] <chromas> ☺
[23:50:16] <Blackmoore> go get your coffee++
[23:50:20] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[23:50:20] <Bender> karma - coffee: 234
[23:50:37] <crutchy> coffee++
[23:50:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 235
[23:50:45] <crutchy> halway through first
[23:50:57] <crutchy> thinking about a second
[23:52:13] <crutchy> yup definitely going for a 2nd
[23:58:56] <crutchy> time to go... catch yas later
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