#Soylent | Logs for 2014-06-03
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[00:06:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, this is why i don't code in the afternoon if i can help it. just spent a few hours coding, threw out what i'd done several times, ended up with three new lines of code.
[00:06:46] <chromas> But they're really high quality lines, right?
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[00:08:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> higher than a lot of slash, yeah. they do what needs done in the most efficient way possible and don't cockblock anyone coming after me.
[00:09:44] -aqu4:#Soylent- Gerbils. Fear them.
[00:09:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> would have taken a lot less time but it's a script that needs to be called by slashd and slashd only calls it every 10m
[00:13:01] <chromas> That's for the xml feeds?
[00:13:10] <chromas> index.atom etc
[00:14:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[00:15:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> just made a https version of all three
[00:15:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> easier to do all three than just one
[00:18:06] <chromas> Did you used to have a 64 in your name?
[00:18:07] <ciri> One of my bachelor friends pads, who had names that were just picked up the ramp a little bit on the architecture name.
[00:18:08] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: did you incorporate the changes I made in my pull request
[00:18:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably not, i haven't checked outstanding pull requests today.
[00:18:48] <paulej72> https://github.com
[00:18:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> will have a look
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[00:20:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> no worries, my changes were to open_backend.pl, so no conflicts.
[00:26:13] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: you can run the task manually with the command ~/slascode/bin/runtask open_backend.pl
[00:26:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, you are my bestest friend on the planet right now.
[00:27:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> so I reloaded the website not long before I left for work this morning, and it showed me as not being logged in
[00:27:29] <AndyTheAbsurd> but I reloaded again a couple of minutes ago (after I got back from work) and now I'm logged in again
[00:27:43] <AndyTheAbsurd> so...I guess there's something funky going on with the login code?
[00:28:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> very possible
[00:28:15] <paulej72> more likely the login cookie madness
[00:28:59] <AndyTheAbsurd> probably a known bug, then? Do you want any info from me to help locate/debug the issue?
[00:29:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> reminds me, how do i go about getting my db updated so it won't spaz when i trip across a change between mine and dev?
[00:30:23] <paulej72> AndyTheAbsurd: not an issue that sepcifically heard before. you can file an issue on github if you want.
[00:31:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, being as it is 2014, we could probably go ahead and drop the rss 0.9 all together
[00:32:07] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: slashcode/sql/ugrades has all of the schema and updates needed for the new version of slash. Some of thoes would have been appled if you did the file from the dev vm how to
[00:33:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> did. only the 14.06 ones are tripping me up. guess i'll go sift through the commits to upgrades and see what's new.
[00:34:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> or is upgrades supposed to update the db when you deployslash?
[00:37:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> tonight i think i'll whiskey though. brain just isn't doing as it's told.
[00:37:28] <paulej72> db updates are manually applied.
[00:39:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> suck. ah well. tomorrow then.
[00:39:22] <paulej72> but that file is the updates from 14.04, the one from the wiki updates from pre 14.04 to 14.05.x so some of the commands would be duplicated between the two files. This will cause an error if you rerun the commands
[00:39:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[00:43:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> good ole compare mode on github
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[02:28:25] * SpallsHurgenson looks askance at his dinner, "I should complain to the chef; these ravioli are not fully cooked!"
[02:32:06] <chromas> As these are the Internets, I formally ask that you post a photo of your food
[02:33:46] * SpallsHurgenson looks at his empty plate
[02:33:52] <SpallsHurgenson> ummm... mind waiting a few hours?
[02:34:02] <SpallsHurgenson> (toilet humor for the win!)
[02:35:21] <chromas> We need both ends. I/O
[02:36:40] <SpallsHurgenson> helpful hint: just because food is still frozen doesn't mean you can't eat it
[02:40:57] <chromas> NOw you know where to go when the air cooler breaks down
[02:42:01] <SpallsHurgenson> Canada?
[02:42:48] * SpallsHurgenson fulfills his duty as an American by believing that - even in the middle of summer - every part of Canada is an icebound hellhole
[02:42:58] <SpallsHurgenson> (albeit with very polite Eskimos)
[02:48:02] <SpallsHurgenson> in other news...
[02:48:11] * SpallsHurgenson opens a window and sees a terrifying sight: a full moon
[02:49:21] <chromas> Is that when an urban yout walks by with baggy pants below the belt region?
[02:52:00] <SpallsHurgenson> hasn't that "fashion" spent itself? I haven't seen one of those sort of "youts" (I like that word, even if it was a typo) in a few years
[02:52:14] <chromas> not a typo
[02:52:22] <chromas> My Cousin Vinney
[02:52:50] <SpallsHurgenson> strange, you don't look Pesci.
[02:57:55] <chromas> Racist
[02:58:19] <SpallsHurgenson> oh god, a whole race of Joe Pescis... that's a terrifying thought.
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[03:11:21] <SpallsHurgenson> hmmm, some guy is selling his computer for $150, including a 23" flatscreen...
[03:12:04] <chromas> "Gaming rig but need to keep the lights on for the kids"
[03:13:52] <SpallsHurgenson> dunno, was a pin-up in the laundry room.
[03:14:01] * SpallsHurgenson decides: poop first, then call for details
[03:14:43] <chromas> Decides? Since when are they mutually exclusive?
[03:14:49] <chromas> "Uh...what's that in the background?"
[03:18:09] * chromas notes that whoever designed the cooling system in the old xb0x360s is an idiot and should be fired from anything to do with computers
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[03:51:50] <poutine> <weeds> poutine: If you want to decide what is acceptable, start your own site.
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[05:33:32] <SpallsHurgenson> oh, right, IRC! I remember this!
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[05:39:39] <mrcoolbp> SpallsHurgenson: welcome back
[05:45:05] <SirFinkus> anyone play with swift yet?
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[05:53:51] * SpallsHurgenson googles Swift... oh, the new apple language
[05:54:08] <SpallsHurgenson> "writing code is interactive and fun"
[05:54:33] <SpallsHurgenson> you know, I get a kick out of programming too, but I never thought of the actual writing of the code as "fun"
[05:55:05] <SirFinkus> watch the demo?
[05:55:07] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[05:55:25] <SpallsHurgenson> Swift better give me chocolate and balloons every time I set a variable...
[05:55:43] <SirFinkus> it pretty much does lol
[05:55:44] <Ethanol-fueled> haha Spalls
[05:55:57] <SirFinkus> that literally happens in the video
[05:56:00] <SirFinkus> the balloons anyway
[05:56:04] <Ethanol-fueled> Kinda like recording music. It sounds fun, and then it fucking sucks.
[05:56:27] <Ethanol-fueled> By the time your're done, you can't even appreciate your work after having slogged through all that goddamn tedium.
[05:56:28] <SpallsHurgenson> I'll create my own computer language... with beer and hookers! In fact, forget the language!
[05:56:45] <SirFinkus> I'm in
[05:57:32] <SpallsHurgenson> okay, the audience in that video seems be the same audience from informercials they show at 3AM
[05:57:45] <SirFinkus> just wait for the demo, it's neat
[05:57:52] <Ethanol-fueled> it better not be like that ugly-ass language Mozilla is developing.
[05:57:56] <SirFinkus> I like that one guy in the audience
[05:58:04] <SirFinkus> you know which one
[05:58:21] <SpallsHurgenson> why am I thinking "visualbasic"?
[05:58:57] <SpallsHurgenson> the demo better blow my socks off :)
[05:59:19] <Ethanol-fueled> Soallshurgenson, are you talking about SWIFT?
[05:59:35] <Ethanol-fueled> cuz looking at the code samples they're using the word "var"
[06:00:24] <Ethanol-fueled> and using "let" instead of "const <datatype>" pisses me the fuck off. Did they really have to make that change?
[06:00:25] <ciri> Ironically, if you market the s.ex protocol for encrypting cat pics you are not using "let" instead.
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[06:02:54] <Ethanol-fueled> Do you guys think swift is a stupid idea?
[06:03:10] <SpallsHurgenson> no, but I don't think it
[06:03:23] <SpallsHurgenson> 's that awesome either.
[06:03:28] <Ethanol-fueled> like...another fucking language?
[06:03:47] <SpallsHurgenson> just what the world needs :)
[06:04:06] <SirFinkus> I would have preferred they do that too, but apple
[06:04:14] <Ethanol-fueled> there's a trend in technology where people apparantly don't have anything to do, so they just keep fucking with the UI or something, to justify their paycheck at the expense of their users' sanity.
[06:04:26] <SpallsHurgenson> but when it comes to programming I'm a dilletante so I'm probably not the one to make a final judgement on the thing :)
[06:04:43] <chromas> We should have at least as many programming languages as we do Linux distros
[06:04:51] <SpallsHurgenson> but honestly, it looks like VB with a glossier interface
[06:04:53] <SirFinkus> I'm sure there are more
[06:05:01] <Ethanol-fueled> agreed, spalls.
[06:05:20] <SpallsHurgenson> based solely on the demo I can't judge how powerful the language is though.
[06:05:51] <SpallsHurgenson> it's not going to displace C++ anyway. something new for the resume, I suppose.
[06:06:06] <SirFinkus> I'm reading the little handbook thing now, but it's kind of tough with out xcode 6
[06:06:07] <Ethanol-fueled> Only if you're a pansy Apple dev.
[06:07:28] <Ethanol-fueled> "nil" instead of "null" Grrrrr, Aspie rage
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[06:08:29] <SpallsHurgenson> I guess the cross compatibility for ios/osx is nice... but aren't most developers going to aim at android too?
[06:09:17] <SpallsHurgenson> (or if they are targeting osx, windows or *nix)?
[06:09:38] <SpallsHurgenson> which means that swift won't help much unless you are an all-apple shop
[06:11:28] <SpallsHurgenson> anyway, I'm not leaping out of my chair to download swift
[06:11:39] <SpallsHurgenson> (which, technically, I'd have to do because the mac is in the other room :)
[06:14:49] <SirFinkus> need a dev account too
[06:15:21] <SirFinkus> I want to play with it, but not enough to give apple $99
[06:15:45] <SpallsHurgenson> well, of course. why would you want to make your language widely and easily available?
[06:17:36] <SpallsHurgenson> (is the dev account for the glossy IDE only or do they at least make a compiler available for free?)
[06:19:08] <SirFinkus> naw, it's in beta now
[06:19:39] <SirFinkus> in xcode 6, which you can only dl with a dev account
[06:19:47] <SirFinkus> it'll be free as in beer eventually
[06:20:51] <SpallsHurgenson> well, that makes a little more sense... still not rushing after it.
[06:20:59] <SpallsHurgenson> anyway, REXX is where it's at :)
[06:21:18] <SirFinkus> it seems like they'd make it more widely available to get more people to use it when the hype is high
[06:21:34] <arti> swift?
[06:21:39] <SirFinkus> yes
[06:21:48] <SpallsHurgenson> yeah, but this is apple
[06:21:50] <arti> seems to have a lot of nifty features
[06:21:57] <arti> time will tell
[06:22:17] <SpallsHurgenson> (although whether they can maintain the hype without Job's RDF I don't know)
[06:22:47] <SpallsHurgenson> I still say the audience was on some really heavy drugs, the way they applauded like that
[06:23:16] <arti> the applause was gratuitous
[06:23:43] <swiss> https://www.youtube.com
[06:24:19] <SirFinkus> most of the guys in the front row were apple employees
[06:24:26] <SpallsHurgenson> I honestly wonder if they were applauding at some other talk and apple just spliced them into the swift talk :)
[06:24:54] <SpallsHurgenson> stop ruining my fantasies with facts, SirFinkus!
[06:25:17] <arti> they should announce layoffs there too
[06:25:18] <SirFinkus> that one guy in the video looked like he was on something though
[06:25:49] <SpallsHurgenson> Lithium, I'm guessing
[06:26:15] <SirFinkus> machined out of a solid block?
[06:26:49] <SpallsHurgenson> maybe; I dunno how the pharmaceuticals get it into those little pills :)
[06:28:57] <SpallsHurgenson> unrelated side note: much as love the movie "2001", the monkey bit in the beginning is just awful to watch
[06:29:42] <Ethanol-fueled> swiss - WaLuigi looks like a Jew.
[06:29:55] <SpallsHurgenson> I'm reminded of Abott & Costello movies where they meet some guy in a gorilla suit; it's about as convincing...
[06:30:00] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: lol
[06:31:16] <Ethanol-fueled> arti - it's like they're just doing it to be special.
[06:31:42] <Ethanol-fueled> They basically reinvented VB.
[06:31:59] <Ethanol-fueled> including all those annoying and more obscure keywords that NORMAL programming languages don't use.
[06:32:14] <arti> its a fucking improvement over objectivec
[06:32:21] <arti> and xcode is pretty cool
[06:32:52] * SpallsHurgenson notices the monkey-men have no genitals... all those mental advancements the monolith gave 'em aren't going to help much :)
[06:32:52] <Ethanol-fueled> Any Mac users in da house? My friend wants to know the best way to virtualize Windows within Mac.
[06:33:09] <arti> akthully
[06:33:36] <SpallsHurgenson> Parallels is good
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[06:33:39] <Ethanol-fueled> she doesn't care for tweeking, she just wants it to work and not bug-out with minimal hassle.
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[06:33:59] <Ethanol-fueled> SpallsHurgenson, I'll pass that on to her.
[06:34:14] <Ethanol-fueled> could a newb use virtualbox easily?
[06:34:27] <SpallsHurgenson> Parallels has nice seamless integration
[06:34:38] <Ethanol-fueled> Spalls, is that an official Mac product?
[06:34:49] <SpallsHurgenson> no, it's a third-party app
[06:35:12] <SirFinkus> virtualbox works reasonably easily
[06:35:14] <SpallsHurgenson> by, erm... Paralllels Inc
[06:35:33] <SpallsHurgenson> vbox is nice, but I gotta give the edge to Paralllllels for its seamless mode.
[06:35:36] <SirFinkus> not as seamless as parallels, but it works and it's free
[06:35:49] <Ethanol-fueled> Thanks guys.
[06:35:52] <Ethanol-fueled> Much appreciated.
[06:36:01] <arti> Spiderman thread?
[06:36:03] <SpallsHurgenson> mind you, I use vbox myself... but I'm cheap :)
[06:36:18] <SpallsHurgenson> spiderman? spiderman? does whatever a spider can?
[06:36:25] <Ethanol-fueled> She has money to spend - she works for the Jews.
[06:36:39] <SirFinkus> parallels for sure then
[06:36:50] <SpallsHurgenson> parallels is easier to setup too
[06:36:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Was peter parker as much of a wuss in the comic books as he was in the movies?
[06:36:54] <Ethanol-fueled> the NEW movies?
[06:36:55] <ciri> Nod nod. I hate singsong movies but it looks like new information to me.
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[06:37:33] <SpallsHurgenson> erm...
[06:37:45] <Ethanol-fueled> Your connection sucks, Spalls.
[06:38:03] <SpallsHurgenson> no, I think I keep kicking myself out of the channel
[06:38:08] <SpallsHurgenson> I remain connected
[06:38:46] * SpallsHurgenson is pounding blindly at a keyboard and is probably hitting some wrong key combination
[06:39:31] * JamesNZ messes around with SpallsHurgenson's KB layout
[06:39:54] <SpallsHurgenson> it's hard to type while folding laundry :)
[06:40:14] <arti> attach more arms to yourself
[06:40:18] <JamesNZ> Heh
[06:40:24] <arti> ARM YOURSELF!
[06:40:31] <SpallsHurgenson> well, I do have the right to bear arms
[06:40:48] <arti> bears don't have arms
[06:41:10] <SpallsHurgenson> the government lied to me!
[06:41:36] <JamesNZ> Say it ain't so!
[06:41:38] <JamesNZ> :P
[06:51:08] <SpallsHurgenson> (the spacy bits of 2001 are still impressive, even after almost 50 years)
[06:51:36] <arti> yeah, it's pretty well done
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[06:55:23] <SpallsHurgenson> 13 years later and the only technology we have that matches what it shown in that movie is ipads and video-phones... and nobody uses the vid-phones :-/
[06:55:44] * SpallsHurgenson wants his homocidal AI, damnit!
[06:56:01] <arti> uh, want to run a binary i give you?
[06:56:55] <SpallsHurgenson> oh no, I won't fall for that trick a second time, Doctor Forbin!
[06:57:42] <arti> totallylegitfilename
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[06:59:42] <SpallsHurgenson> well, that sounds legit so I guess maybe... no! no! you almost got me, but no!
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[10:01:24] <crutchy> hi konomi :-)
[10:01:44] <Konomi> do you have that like on a script or something or do you actually type it ;p
[10:05:36] <crutchy> i type it
[10:05:40] <crutchy> i know... sad
[10:06:44] <crutchy> catching up in logs cos my network took a dump when i lost power for a while today
[10:07:17] <Konomi> I just had xorg get creamed by wine
[10:07:45] <Konomi> and I'm raging over this game in the latest humblebundle being crap
[10:08:09] <Konomi> it exit with a shader error when i run it on linux and in wine it needs dotnet4.0 and windows media player
[10:10:04] <Konomi> kinda wanna grab any dev trying to make games with mono and shake them while saying "mono is not cross platform it says it's cross platform but that statement is about as accurate as saying senators never lie"
[10:11:00] <crutchy> ew .net
[10:11:07] <crutchy> ew mono
[10:12:10] <Konomi> and now for seemily no reason at all it;s throwing an unhandled exception
[10:12:19] <crutchy> what game?
[10:12:54] <Konomi> Draw a Stickman
[10:12:59] <Konomi> it was released in humble bundle 10
[10:13:04] <Konomi> and it's been the biggest POS ever
[10:13:31] <crutchy> more of a starcraft man
[10:13:35] <crutchy> classic
[10:13:50] <crutchy> ^works in wine
[10:14:09] <Konomi> this thing is supposed to work in linux but doesn't
[10:15:17] <crutchy> whenever i hear about mono i think of homer singing the monorail song... "mono. doh!"
[10:15:40] <crutchy> strangely appropriate
[10:15:42] <Konomi> I always think of the desease
[10:16:33] <crutchy> there's a mono disease?
[10:17:00] <Konomi> https://en.wikipedia.org
[10:17:10] <Konomi> reminds me of microsoft
[10:18:07] <Konomi> they're always releasing the diseased runtimes into the world
[10:18:51] <crutchy> the antibiotics that killed silverlight are working on mono as well
[10:19:00] <crutchy> slowly
[10:26:10] <crutchy> hows your tuesday evening going konomi?
[10:26:32] <crutchy> notwithstanding pos/mono
[10:28:34] <Konomi> was going good before this crap xD
[10:32:09] <crutchy> ~rainbow maybe you just need a rainbow :-P
[10:32:10] <exec> 00,12m00,02a00,06y00,04b00,07e00,08 00,09y00,12o00,02u00,06 00,04j00,07u00,08s00,09t00,12 00,02n00,06e00,04e00,07d00,08 00,09a00,12 00,02r00,06a00,04i00,07n00,08b00,09o00,12w00,02 00,06:00,04-00,07P
[10:41:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Astronomers Find a New Type of Planet: The "Mega-Earth" - http://sylnt.us - Super-Mega-Ultra
[10:50:00] <crutchy> cue power ranger jokes
[10:50:16] <crutchy> or queue
[10:50:27] <crutchy> fuck i dunno
[10:50:38] <crutchy> braaaaaaiiin
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[10:53:27] <crutchy> hi Bytram|away
[10:53:55] <Bytram|away> crutchy: hi! Fixing a bad link in a story. back in a few
[10:54:09] <crutchy> k
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[11:43:09] <SoyGnu> great job ppl!
[11:43:29] <SoyGnu> if quality keeps improving, ill ditch slashdot soon
[11:43:47] <SoyGnu> nice summaries and quality stories
[11:45:48] <crutchy> need more trolls
[11:46:15] <SoyGnu> i think i can live without them
[11:46:15] <crutchy> /invoke apk-bot
[11:46:59] <SoyGnu> also, do you mean trolls or people who disagree with you?
[11:47:01] <boioioing> like beetlejuice, if you say his name three times he will appear. P.S=> APK
[11:47:09] <SoyGnu> ppl call trolls to everything nowadays
[11:47:23] <SoyGnu> whos APK?
[11:47:25] * SoyGnu runs
[11:51:21] <crutchy> you also have to tap your heels 3 times and mutter... "there's no place for correct spelling"
[11:52:00] <crutchy> "or consistent capitalization"
[11:55:03] <crutchy> and you must hold on high a belief that wrapping an entire script in an exception handler is a suitable substitution for debugging
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[12:30:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Two Groups of Crickets Evolved Same Trait, Seperately - http://sylnt.us - MUTANTS!
[12:33:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:33:04] <Bender> karma - coffee: 152
[12:33:06] <ciri> A statue (one of the coffee cup and i might go with a bottle of lotion and the recipient's.
[12:55:46] <crutchy> ciri, log bottoms granny's berry smoke porcupine bottle chair?
[12:56:37] <crutchy> ciri's motto should be: "talking jibberish is a feature"
[13:12:53] <crutchy> ~reload
[13:12:57] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file
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[13:23:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gods it's been a while since i played with mysql.
[13:26:20] <crutchy> mysql is fun
[13:27:35] <crutchy> i'm still migrating to pdo
[13:28:41] <crutchy> db p'oop
[13:34:34] <crutchy> does anyone know if the editors or anyone else is keeping an eye on #rss-bot for article submission tips?
[13:35:35] <crutchy> maybe juggs should add an auto-submit article on certain keywords
[13:36:02] <crutchy> (maybe already has?)
[13:41:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Two Groups of Crickets Evolved Same Trait, Separately - http://sylnt.us - MUTANTS!
[13:47:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeesh, carefully got all the updates applied to the db and now getting fun template errors
[13:49:11] * TheMightyBuzzard pokes it with a stick
[13:50:18] <crutchy> when i found out the templates are stored in the db as well as in files is when i started to think... fk that!
[13:58:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like i'll have to get another copy of the db and do that all over again. thankfully i cloned the vm a while back.
[14:01:49] <Bytram|away> crutchy: thanks! All because I found, at 5 AM, a bad link in a story I posted. Once I fixed *that*, I noticed the story queue was near empty, so I pushed out a couple stories and wrote up a couple more!
[14:01:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Top Ten Exascale Research Challenges - http://sylnt.us - 10^18
[14:14:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram|away, good on ya. i don't have time to find anything worth submitting lately.
[14:15:14] <Bytram|away> TheMightyBuzzard: thanks! Just found a VERY readable AND, so far, thought-provoking site: http://aeon.co
[14:16:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> smooth, will bookmark it for when i'm not trying to kick a db into submission
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[14:51:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, that was what hosed it. TRUNCATE TABLE templates; is not my friend.
[14:52:03] <crutchy> lol little bobby truncate eh
[14:53:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> apparently
[14:54:07] <crutchy> hmm i vaguely remember paulej72 mentioned something about truncating a table somewhere. there might be a reason for it
[14:54:33] <crutchy> better to ask him though cos i got nfi
[14:56:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg
[14:57:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> runtask is hosed too for that matter. bitches about LWP::UserAgent not being in @INC. which i can easily fix but if they're using it it already is fixed and just not documented.
[14:59:23] <crutchy> is there an atom feed for github repos?
[14:59:41] <crutchy> maybe need to output when slashcode is updated to a channel here
[14:59:48] <crutchy> #slashcode or something
[15:00:17] <crutchy> could also use #dev, but might be a little spammy
[15:00:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg, i can live with or fix runtask. hosing the db is another story.
[15:04:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> now let's try these updates without truncating tables...
[15:05:48] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: did you do a deploy after making the db updates?
[15:06:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[15:06:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> usually do just to start apache. less characters than apachectl restart
[15:06:37] <paulej72> And you are still getting template errrors
[15:06:58] <paulej72> are you logged in as slash
[15:07:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> let ya know in a bit. just rolled back the db again.
[15:07:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> have to reapply them all again.
[15:08:06] <crutchy> ooh
[15:08:07] <crutchy> https://github.com
[15:08:32] <crutchy> i can spit that out into a channel here
[15:12:35] <crutchy> would be a bit of a hack but i could also parse https://github.com and spit out issues to irc
[15:12:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> note to self: may 9 is the first update that needs applied to my backed up db.
[15:13:06] <crutchy> !todo
[15:13:06] <Bender> todo for crutchy: 1) rewrite slashcode in assembly 2) dig up monolith on the moon 3) fuck beta 4) prepare draft RFC8008135 5) make a bash bot to have bot fights with sedbot 6) bacon+noodles 7) complete todo list items 8) goto todot item 7
[15:13:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, or could just look at the commits to the upgrades file.
[15:14:29] <crutchy> i already have some homebaked atom feed parsing routines
[15:14:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> or rather may 9 is the last one that doesn't need applied.
[15:15:07] <crutchy> (tested on soylentnews.org/index.atom
[15:16:05] <crutchy> not aliased in exec yet, but thinking about also hooking into some google group atom feeds
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[15:28:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, dunno wtf i did different this time but rockets are go
[15:30:07] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: what you did different was not break it :)
[15:30:33] <Blackmoore> mornin
[15:30:39] <Blackmoore> time for lift off?
[15:30:42] <paulej72> hola
[15:31:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, yep. and i'm betting the larger quantity of coffee consumed had something to do with that.
[15:31:15] <crutchy> UPDATE slashdb.engine_table SET afterburner=1
[15:31:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin Blackmoore
[15:31:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> now i need something new to break
[15:32:33] <paulej72> get you fill in, the nagger is down (queue is full) so the old this page was generated it up for a short while
[15:32:41] <crutchy> just let slashd run for a while... you'll have your wish soon enough
[15:36:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, slashd warning about comparing to undefs because of use strict can suck it today. they're harmless if annoying. ima look through the issues list and see if anything jumps out at me.
[15:37:14] <crutchy> i added one earlier
[15:37:25] <crutchy> today
[15:41:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SCOTUS Shoots Down Indirect Patent Infringement - http://sylnt.us - outbreak-of-commonsense
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[15:46:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, something occurs to me. do we even use (or plan to use) any dynamically generated rss feeds?
[15:47:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> because right now we're doing a whole lot of massive overkill to generate 3 statically generated feeds and their https counterparts.
[15:51:03] <crutchy> dynamic is overrated. we need a Cadre of Underpaid Chickens to manually type the feed pages
[15:52:35] <crutchy> why https feeds?
[15:52:42] <crutchy> just outta curiosity
[15:53:19] <crutchy> (especially for static pages)
[15:55:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> someone asked for them
[15:55:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> not serving them over https but with the links inside them being https rather than http
[15:57:53] <crutchy> can you generate individual stubs aand just join the last 15 or so together? that way you're not re-generating stubs that have already been generated
[15:58:45] <crutchy> (or is that already how it works?)
[15:59:40] <crutchy> might even be able to get varnish to do some of the work in joining?
[15:59:54] <crutchy> i dunno if varnish can do that
[15:59:54] <paulej72> Ibet if you look at the loads created from this it is minimial. It would be best to trigger an rss update from a new story going live, but not sure how easy it would be to do this.
[16:00:31] <crutchy> probably most of the load is from bender :-P
[16:00:32] <ciri> Fuck that</p><p>comment 1: trollollollolloll</p></body></html.
[16:00:42] <crutchy> if that's how it works
[16:01:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, yeah. unused code only uses memory and makes it harder to see what you're doing for the most part.
[16:02:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> quite possibly on the updating when a story goes live. the feed data in the db already updates quite often.
[16:02:49] <crutchy> ciri, bucket alligator paper worcestershire nose sauce bird waving skyscraper snot?
[16:03:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> open_backend.pl slurps its info from the db and spits out the feeds every 10 minutes, so i'm not sure how badly we need to be realtime.
[16:04:14] <crutchy> db should be able to do many thousands of queries / sec no sweat anyway. if slash is breaking from a rss load there are major problems
[16:04:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> wouldn't hurt anything to call it dynamically as well i wouldn't think but i'm not sure where i'd need to put it at the moment.
[16:05:16] * TheMightyBuzzard goes after another cup of coffee and ponders
[16:05:19] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: also note that all of slashd jobs are run on boron instead of the web frontends
[16:05:36] <crutchy> lol boron
[16:05:59] <crutchy> reminds me of that movie with adam sandler where he goes back to school
[16:06:29] <crutchy> 'chloraphil... more like boreaphil'
[16:06:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> would make it a tad trickier
[16:07:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> ideally each submission would set a flag to regenerate right tf now and slashd would read it with an often run monitoring script.
[16:08:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> set in the db i mean.
[16:08:27] <crutchy> is there a socket between slashd and apache or is slashd basically a crontab?
[16:09:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> the latter though they've got it set up somehow to be able to write out files to wherever htdocs lives
[16:10:22] <crutchy> maybe need to make a new slashsock script to run alongside slashd (eventually to replace :-P
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[16:10:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> i haven't read the save2file sub, so i'm not sure how that's done exactly
[16:11:36] <Blackmoore> any more updates and you guys are gonna have to give a name to the fork.. (and that's a good thing)
[16:12:04] <crutchy> 'forking slashcode'
[16:12:16] <crutchy> ^suitable name :-P
[16:12:43] <crutchy> or 'motherforking slash'
[16:14:05] <crutchy> can you just tweak slashd run interval?
[16:14:17] <Blackmoore> Slashnburn?
[16:14:51] <crutchy> or maybe break it up into a couple of sub scripts that can be run at different intervals
[16:14:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, yes but i haven't looked at how yet
[16:15:01] <crutchy> set up two crontabs
[16:15:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> slashd is a wannabe cron for the most part
[16:15:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> bit of logging baked in too
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[16:15:56] <crutchy> one for maintenance shit that doesn't need running very often, and one for more up-to-the-second jobs like feeds
[16:16:01] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: the task files all have a cron-like info in the top of the file to set the interval for running
[16:16:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, sneaky. hadn't noticed.
[16:16:59] <crutchy> is slashd just a shell script?
[16:17:00] <paulej72> the reson for slashd and not just using cron is that slash was at one point going to be supported on non unix system
[16:18:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, nothing quite that simple, no.
[16:18:29] <crutchy> c?
[16:18:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> perl
[16:19:13] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[16:19:21] <crutchy> lol you could run exec and have it execute perl scripts at various intervals :-P
[16:19:41] <crutchy> phperl
[16:19:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> now why are comments hosed on my vm?
[16:19:50] * TheMightyBuzzard checks the logs
[16:20:07] <crutchy> little boby truncate again?
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[16:21:50] * crutchy kinda wishes he knew some perl, but kinda glad he doesn't at the same time
[16:22:40] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: how do you mean hosed?
[16:22:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, getting undef from the query for the comments
[16:23:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> shows the count proper but shows no comments
[16:23:16] <crutchy> that slashd warning come back to bite you?
[16:23:33] <crutchy> or a different undef
[16:23:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> looking for the mysql query log
[16:24:07] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: broken template. check the error log in the apache logs folder
[16:24:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, will do
[16:24:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> quickest way to learn about something is break it and have to fix it i spose
[16:25:21] <crutchy> i learn about stuff by rolling my own
[16:25:58] <paulej72> crutchy: so you know a lot about mary jane :)
[16:25:58] <crutchy> but i guess theres lots of breaking and fixing in the process of doing that too
[16:26:24] <crutchy> is that a beatles song?
[16:26:33] <crutchy> lol nfi sry :-P
[16:28:22] <crutchy> ahh caught on (with a little google)
[16:28:40] <crutchy> nah i never done anything like that
[16:29:54] <crutchy> ~time melbourne
[16:29:55] <exec> [Google] 12:29am Wednesday (EST) - Time in Melbourne VIC, Australia
[16:30:08] <crutchy> sleepy time methinks
[16:30:16] <crutchy> night all
[16:30:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> apache error log unhelpful, need a mysql query log so i can see what's being sent and why it's returning nothing or erroring. altering my.cnf to log all queries.
[16:32:19] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: are you sure you do not have your setting set to no-comments instead of improvedthreaded.
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[16:33:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> not entirely and will triple check but for a dev vm having full logging of queries won't hurt anything.
[16:34:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, comments preferences page having issues too looks like.
[16:35:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> when i break shit i really break shit apparently
[16:35:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> or maybe it had issues because i restarted mysqld while apache and slashd were running. might as well restart them
[16:37:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> "Can't call method "getReasons" on an undefined value at..." cryptic yet unhelpful. I like it.
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[16:53:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, has to be a template issue. queries for comments are showing up and getting properly responded to.
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[17:03:17] <Blackmoore> method layBlame
[17:03:44] <Blackmoore> stammerExcuses
[17:04:05] <Blackmoore> excapeProsecution
[17:04:09] * TheMightyBuzzard shrugs
[17:04:34] <Blackmoore> extortValue ?
[17:04:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> drinkCoffee && use Grep;
[17:20:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Public HD... *poof* and Gone. - http://sylnt.us - perhaps-they-were-using-TrueCrypt?
[17:28:10] <Blackmoore> outsourceSolution
[17:28:21] <Blackmoore> getPlastered
[17:52:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> use '5.014'; say "fuck it";
[18:01:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> has to be something still fookered with the db because everything else is currently bog standard from a clean pull. i don't care to fuck with it any more today though.
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[19:01:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Aims to Speed up Coding with its own Swift Programming Language. - http://sylnt.us - swift-language-but-not-so-swift-name
[19:34:21] <Blackmoore> i think I'll call my exception error method fuckIt
[19:34:22] <ciri> And immediately think of homer singing the monorail song... "Mono.
[19:48:50] <SirFinkus> http://www.adweek.com
[19:48:53] <SirFinkus> haha, I love it
[19:58:36] <Blackmoore> brilliant!
[19:59:21] <Blackmoore> I'm fixing a hole where the code get's out, and keeps my mind from wandering.."
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[20:25:58] <mrcoolbp> Blackmoore: "Where it will goooooooooo"
[20:35:22] <Blackmoore> :)
[20:41:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - PI. has been Trademarked in the US - http://sylnt.us
[21:34:45] <Blackmoore> um. so. does anyone have some minions or cronies we can send down to the us patent office? you know.. to point out a few issues. perhaps point out that oh. this shit has got to stop..
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[21:48:59] <stderr> I wonder if I can trademark ""?
[22:00:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - In the Dark About Dark Matter? - http://sylnt.us - now-you-don't-see-it-and-now-you-still-don't?
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[22:24:14] <Blackmoore> can i copyright "a series of wavelengths boadcast by electromagnetic radiation in the range of 380 to 750nm"
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[22:36:52] <AndyTheAbsurd> Blackmoore: you should
[22:37:06] <AndyTheAbsurd> the sun will have to pay you royalties
[22:37:33] <AndyTheAbsurd> Also The Sun will have to pay you royalties, which is probably better, because The Sun probably has more money than the sun.
[23:17:51] <Blackmoore> then I can go after apple, and light bulb manufacturers, and LCD manufacturers, and then move into anyone wo makes a product that requires light to see it like newspapers
[23:32:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Whack-a-Malware - An Overview of Computer Viruses - http://sylnt.us - past-present-and-future
[23:35:17] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v arti] by juggler
[23:36:00] <arti> :D
[23:36:23] * arti does the golpher dance from caddyshack
[23:36:24] <ciri> *Carlton finger snap dance.gif < mfw.
[23:36:37] * arti smiles
[23:36:44] * arti pets ciri
[23:36:54] <Blackmoore> moo
[23:37:04] <Blackmoore> :(
[23:37:25] <arti> greetings blackmoore!
[23:37:32] * arti offers some trail mix
[23:37:38] <arti> the best parts are the dried pineapples
[23:37:56] <Blackmoore> :)
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[23:42:28] <paulej72> well I am making some progress I got charybdis running on carbon and I can connect to it, but I have no chan serv, or nick serv to connect to
[23:44:45] <Landon> paulej72++
[23:44:45] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 22
[23:45:12] <Landon> I'd give you pointers as to configuration, but xlefay took that over pretty early on
[23:45:47] <arti> well you can always use a !decide to see what xlefay might say
[23:45:59] <arti> should i do it a or b?
[23:46:02] <arti> !decide a b
[23:46:03] <ciri> The roll of the dice picks: b.
[23:46:08] <arti> there you go
[23:46:26] <paulej72> I think I need to install atheme-services. I also will need to get a cert for the server, we probably cut one already, but we will probably need a new one without the private key
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[23:51:05] <arti> he comes!
[23:51:14] * arti toots the kazoo
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[23:51:28] <crutchy> o.0
[23:51:52] <crutchy> i dun wanna go to work
[23:52:03] <arti> well you can go and just unload in your pants
[23:52:15] <arti> or use the mythic dentist excuse
[23:52:20] <crutchy> mm this coffee has extra awesomeness thismorning
[23:52:23] <crutchy> lol
[23:52:24] <arti> call in a bomb threat
[23:52:34] <arti> !decide dentist bomb pants
[23:52:36] <ciri> The roll of the dice picks: pants.
[23:52:42] <arti> well that's two votes for that
[23:52:58] <crutchy> we have an official bomb threat checklist... in australia of all places!
[23:53:08] <crutchy> pants are good
[23:53:11] <crutchy> pants++
[23:53:11] <Bender> karma - pants: 1
[23:53:12] <arti> [ ] Ticking
[23:53:25] <arti> [ ] Burning Fuse
[23:53:26] <crutchy> omg pants is only 1!?
[23:53:47] <arti> pants are mainly good for the pockets
[23:53:58] <crutchy> oh crap reminded me of the harry potter ticking bomb song
[23:55:22] <arti> also, mission impossible theme
[23:56:17] <crutchy> except i don't have a problem with that getting stuck in my head
[23:56:38] <arti> might i recommend missy elliot, get your freak on?
[23:58:11] <crutchy> don't mind missy elliot
[23:58:16] <crutchy> i think
[23:58:30] <crutchy> i dunno i rarely associate music with names
[23:58:53] <arti> internet radio much?
[23:58:54] <crutchy> hence descriptions like "harry potter ticking bomb song"
[23:59:04] <arti> i assumed it was an aussie thing
[23:59:18] <crutchy> aussie thing?