#Soylent | Logs for 2014-05-21

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[00:18:31] <Blackmoore> moo
[00:24:30] <chromas> ___________________
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[01:01:36] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - The Story of the Lavabit Shutdown - http://sylnt.us - first-they-came-....
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[02:20:36] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Why People Believe Things that Aren't True - http://sylnt.us - should-I-believe-this-or-not?
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[03:40:36] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Cigarettes &amp; e-Cigarettes Boost MRSA Bacteria - http://sylnt.us - not-quite-so-healthy-option
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[03:42:02] <SpallsHurgenson> greetings internet; I hope today finds your tubes unclogged!
[03:59:25] <SpallsHurgenson> today I received a veritech fighter as a present... someone knows my weakness for robot toys :)
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[04:57:41] <SirFinkus> fuuuuuuuuuuuck
[04:57:49] <SirFinkus> external drive just failed ;_;
[04:58:06] <SpallsHurgenson> thank god for backups
[04:58:14] <paulej72> did you have it alwasy up and running?
[04:58:48] <SirFinkus> pretty mcuh
[04:59:01] <paulej72> I never trust a drive in an external enclosure unless it is an enterprise type enclosure for RAIDs and such.
[04:59:08] <SirFinkus> yep, got backups
[04:59:17] <SirFinkus> well, for the important shit anyway
[04:59:42] <SirFinkus> watch, the backup drive will fail too
[05:00:00] <paulej72> I have had too many people say my drive died and can you fix it, when they could have easily installed an internal one.
[05:00:19] <SirFinkus> well, laptops
[05:00:35] <SpallsHurgenson> stick it in the freezer :)
[05:01:03] <paulej72> oooo hd popsicles
[05:01:36] <SirFinkus> no point, data is all backed up and I wouldn't trust it again
[05:03:30] <SpallsHurgenson> then to Frys for a replacement!
[05:03:33] <SirFinkus> excuse to build a NAS box
[05:04:04] <paulej72> get some WD Reds
[05:04:56] * SirFinkus just wants to play with zfs and btrfs
[05:06:33] <SpallsHurgenson> FAT12 is enough for anyone!
[05:07:00] <paulej72> what I use FAT8 and it is enough for me
[05:07:20] <SirFinkus> filesystems are for losers
[05:07:31] <paulej72> I did have to upgrade from FAT4 a few years back
[05:11:44] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Results of the Novena Kickstarter - http://sylnt.us - follow-up-and-profit?
[05:21:33] <SirFinkus> I wish USB drives were actually "mass storage devices"
[05:21:41] <SirFinkus> that you could store mass on
[05:21:59] <SirFinkus> traveling would be so much easier
[05:26:16] <SpallsHurgenson> only if you are headed to Mass.
[05:33:32] <SirFinkus> hmm, looks like the controller on this disk is bad
[05:33:41] <SirFinkus> too bad it's a WD with "fuck you" encryption
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[05:47:52] <SpallsHurgenson> gee, where did the time go
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[07:11:14] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Thailand Declares Martial Law - http://sylnt.us - White-Elephant
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[08:44:20] <SirFinkus> usb shit is fucked, blue smoke escaped from one of the chips
[08:44:43] <SirFinkus> so at least the drive might still be good
[08:45:55] <SirFinkus> I love the kensington "lock" on this thing
[08:46:40] <SirFinkus> it's about 2mm of soft plastic reinforced with a .5mm thick ring of metal with 3mm borders
[08:57:10] <Konomi> should've got a mac
[08:58:05] <SirFinkus> lol the mac versions are $10-$20 more because the come pre GPT'd and HFS+'d
[08:58:16] <Konomi> sarcasm, sarcasm ;p
[08:58:39] <SirFinkus> apple did away with the locks on their laptops iirc
[08:59:03] <Konomi> all their users have security systems locks aren't needed
[08:59:18] <SirFinkus> mine doesn't have one at lest
[08:59:42] <SirFinkus> security system will help you a lot in a starbucks
[08:59:58] <Konomi> like jobs would go to a starbucks
[09:00:02] <SirFinkus> where else can I work on my screenplay?
[09:00:25] <SirFinkus> he seems like the kind of guy who'd like that monkey shit coffee
[09:03:04] <arti> as an aside: http://www.fakesteve.net
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[09:41:07] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - New Order of Animal Discovered - http://sylnt.us - Blue-Monday
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[10:00:13] <arti> greetings lord crutchy
[10:01:13] <crutchy> good tidings to you good sir
[10:01:24] <crutchy> goody goody good good
[10:03:51] <arti> made some breakthrough?
[10:04:19] <crutchy> i made it home from work :-)
[10:04:45] <arti> what's it like selling your body like that?
[10:04:55] <crutchy> now i'm eating cheese and bacon balls for dinner
[10:05:03] <crutchy> oh its ok
[10:05:30] <crutchy> it just lube up well in the morning
[10:05:44] <arti> that's pretty considerate
[10:06:09] <crutchy> it is for my back end server
[10:06:20] * arti slow claps
[10:06:41] <crutchy> har har har har :-P
[10:10:04] <crutchy> i can sort of continue an irciv game through an exec restart now
[10:10:22] <arti> how is the state stored? flat file or db?
[10:10:28] <arti> db = relational db
[10:10:30] <crutchy> might have to adjust some delays
[10:10:38] <arti> global queue?
[10:10:40] <crutchy> file
[10:10:43] <crutchy> lol
[10:10:57] <arti> delays for the irc component?
[10:11:02] <crutchy> yeah
[10:12:19] <crutchy> mostly works but a test last night treated 1 out of 4 players as new instead of pulling up existing data
[10:12:43] <crutchy> might not be timing related... it might just be gay
[10:12:53] <arti> well sometimes software likes to fuck itself
[10:14:10] * arti is tinkering with purchasing things
[10:15:49] <crutchy> wtf is wrong with people who write kids shows
[10:16:14] <crutchy> no wonder kids are getting all fucked up in the head
[10:17:01] <crutchy> and wtf is wrong with idiot parents like me who let their kids watch said garbage :-P
[10:17:11] <arti> you must be watching adventure time again
[10:17:16] <crutchy> lol
[10:17:22] <crutchy> howd you know ?
[10:17:40] <arti> fun fact, the guy that does the dogs voice also does bender's
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[10:32:01] <crutchy> hey chromas
[10:32:10] <crutchy> did you make a moobot?
[10:32:11] <chromas> Hey crutchy
[10:32:27] <chromas> Nah my internets were down for a while
[10:32:43] <crutchy> i saw something that looked moo'ish in the log
[10:33:18] <chromas> _______
[10:33:18] <chromas> < Mooo? >
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[10:33:18] <chromas> \ /\ ___ /\
[10:33:20] <chromas> \ // \/ \/ \\
[10:33:22] <chromas> (( O O ))
[10:33:24] <chromas> \\ / \ //
[10:33:26] <chromas> \/ | | \/
[10:33:29] <chromas> | | | |
[10:33:31] <chromas> | | | |
[10:33:33] <chromas> | o |
[10:33:35] <chromas> | | | |
[10:33:37] <chromas> |m| |m|
[10:33:51] <chromas> just some paste
[10:33:58] <crutchy> lol
[10:34:01] <arti> that was almost as exciting as watching a dasiy wheel printer print something
[10:34:10] <crutchy> hahaahah
[10:34:23] <crutchy> now we just need dot matrix sound effects
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[10:36:03] <crutchy> it might be a girl efelant
[10:36:13] <chromas> ␇
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[10:44:00] <crutchy> g'day Brylarke
[10:44:06] <Brylarke> Morning
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[10:45:28] <crutchy> :-P
[10:45:34] <Brylarke> ugh
[10:46:03] <Brylarke> Probably going to keep happening for a week because I can't be arsed changing the start up commands
[10:48:32] <crutchy> SoyGuest7520++
[10:48:32] <deadpeas> karma - soyguest7520: 1
[10:48:59] <Brylarke> Hah
[10:49:18] <crutchy> even better:
[10:49:28] <crutchy> SoyGuest8008135++
[10:49:28] <deadpeas> karma - soyguest8008135: 1
[10:49:43] * Brylarke rolls his eyes
[10:50:36] <chromas> Brylarke rolls his ( . Y . )
[10:53:04] <chromas> $sr ␁sotirrub reh sllor noitca␁
[10:53:50] <crutchy> $rs reggub
[10:54:00] <crutchy> $sr reggub
[10:54:00] <aqu4> bugger
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[11:29:49] <crutchy> mackey mkay
[11:29:49] <exec> M'kay.
[12:16:54] <AndyTheAbsurd> luftballoons++
[12:16:54] <deadpeas> karma - luftballoons: 13
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[12:21:06] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - M.I.A. - Double Bubble Trouble - http://sylnt.us - Boil-and-trouble
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[13:10:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:10:04] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 105
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[13:25:28] <nena> luftballoons++
[13:25:28] <deadpeas> karma - luftballoons: 14
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[13:30:59] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Wikileaks Threatens to Name NSA-targeted Country - http://sylnt.us - I-know-his-name.
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[14:41:19] <weeds> Scene: A manger in Bethlehem. Camel: "Hump Day!" -- Mary: "Shut up Camel"
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[15:00:38] <weeds> it's like shift change at the IRC
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[15:20:22] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Chip-heads Imminent - http://sylnt.us - Brainjacking
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[15:29:20] <Blackmoore> coffee++
[15:29:20] <deadpeas> karma - coffee: 106
[15:29:24] <Blackmoore> punch
[15:35:15] <LaminatorX> judy
[15:39:48] <AndyTheAbsurd> I <3 caffeine
[15:39:54] <AndyTheAbsurd> luftballoons++
[15:39:54] <deadpeas> karma - luftballoons: 15
[15:43:43] <Blackmoore> luftballoons++
[15:43:43] <deadpeas> karma - luftballoons: 16
[15:44:07] <weeds> luftballoons++
[15:44:07] <deadpeas> karma - luftballoons: 17
[15:44:16] <Blackmoore> need an iv of caffeine.
[15:44:40] <LaminatorX> luftballoons++
[15:44:41] <deadpeas> karma - luftballoons: 18
[16:01:09] <Blackmoore> I think i want a poll "cringeworthy technical terms"
[16:02:07] <Blackmoore> "what object should i bludgeon my boss/coworker with"
[16:04:37] <Blackmoore> "best reason for setting the office on fire"
[16:06:13] <Blackmoore> "what's in my pockets"
[16:07:13] <AndyTheAbsurd> Blackmoore: here's my suggestion: http://soylentnews.org
[16:09:55] <LaminatorX> I've dreamed of putting my social security number in small off-white type at the bottom of my work email's signatire. When I leave, I can inform legal of this and let the reclassifying of hundreds of email chains as "sensative" ensue.
[16:10:06] <Blackmoore> i like that Andy
[16:10:46] <AndyTheAbsurd> I had some fun with putting in off-the-wall responses.
[16:11:12] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'm pretty sure that it would be impossible for Tesla to compete with the Caterpillar 797B. :)
[16:11:40] <Blackmoore> i want to see him try.
[16:11:43] <weeds> I vote Airbus A380
[16:12:24] <Blackmoore> well, we have seen a solar/electric plane. scaling up to airbus would be a very interesting challenge
[16:16:10] <Blackmoore> "why were you surfing porn at work" "why is there a dead hooker in your trunk?" "Most hated programming language" "hex location of segfault in database"
[16:16:50] <weeds> Blackmoore: Kind of a dark side there...
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[16:18:59] <Blackmoore> it's been a rather tough week at the office
[16:19:20] <weeds> I never really hated any programming language, but APL was impenetrable and COBOL was too wordy. (You have my sympathies on the tough week)
[16:19:59] <Blackmoore> I though COBOL was a pain, (why are we screaming at the computer? why CAPS why?)
[16:20:06] <Blackmoore> i HATE lisp.
[16:20:26] <weeds> Never did any lisp. I thought Pascal was OK.
[16:20:56] <Blackmoore> Pascal / Modula 2 / Delphi are fine languages.
[16:21:27] <Blackmoore> great to use to teach concepts. and the software runs at acceptable speeds.
[16:21:46] <weeds> I like C and did some work in Objective C back in the day.
[16:21:48] <AndyTheAbsurd> Blackmoore: modern COBOL doesn't require caps. And I hate LISP/Scheme too. I also dislike Perl and PHP, because they're too inconsistent.
[16:22:25] <Blackmoore> I like the idea of C. i never did get that into my resume
[16:22:46] <weeds> I learned using FORTRAN in high school and continued that in college (engineering)
[16:22:46] <Blackmoore> Andy yes. Perl and PHP are inconsistant.
[16:23:19] <AndyTheAbsurd> I did solve a bug in someone's PHP code last night, though.
[16:23:21] <Blackmoore> I could say as much about Java - at least java 2-5
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[16:24:09] <weeds> Once you "get" the whole pointer thing in C and structures, etc., object oriented languages make a whole lot more sense.
[16:24:42] <Blackmoore> perl and PHP are still pretty decent languages; and as I get into java - i get why i shoud go the OO route
[16:25:06] <Blackmoore> a lot of the time it is the programmer that is more to blame.
[16:25:50] <weeds> I'm a manager now. I work on what I want to most of the time. Our product is mostly VB.NET and a SQL database (SQL Server, Oracle, etc)
[16:26:09] <weeds> you can write bad code in any language
[16:27:20] <weeds> (well, not you personally) "A person can..." :)
[16:29:36] <Blackmoore> no, no I certainly CAN write bad code in any language :P
[16:30:05] <Blackmoore> right now I'm doing that in an attempt to learn Java.
[16:30:56] <Blackmoore> hell I think i can point out bad code written in CSS/HTML and that's not even a programming language
[16:31:31] <Blackmoore> (look under the hood of youtube)
[16:33:54] <weeds> indeed
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[16:44:30] * NCommander dislikes life right now
[16:46:26] <LaminatorX> life--
[16:46:26] <deadpeas> karma - life: -1
[16:48:04] <AndyTheAbsurd> I can agree with that
[16:48:08] <AndyTheAbsurd> life--
[16:48:08] <deadpeas> karma - life: -2
[16:49:37] <paulej72> AndyTheAbsurd: you mentioned that modern COBOL does not require all caps, but who is actually running modern COBOL :)
[16:50:19] <LaminatorX> I hear Admiral Hopper's ghost is running a seminar on it at Harvard.
[16:51:30] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Spanish Pirate Confederation to Reunite Families - http://sylnt.us - Brotherhood-of-the-Coast
[16:51:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> pretty much every bank you ever heard of, and most of the ones you haven't.
[16:52:23] <Blackmoore> banks--
[16:52:23] <deadpeas> karma - banks: -1
[16:52:48] <paulej72> AndyTheAbsurd: I figured they were aactually emulating older hadware so they did not have to change any of the COBOL to get it to work.
[16:53:36] <AndyTheAbsurd> no, they're still buying new IBM z/System (or whatever it's called today) machines, or HP NonStop machines.
[16:54:20] <AndyTheAbsurd> Or at least they were as of January of this year; now I work for somebody much cooler who use jPOS/jCard on commodity hardware instead of insanely costly high reliability machines.
[16:57:55] <paulej72> NCommander: the email messages from Dev are not showing the email footer with the info on how to unsubscribe.
[16:59:03] <NCommander> paulej72, shit, that was fixed
[17:00:22] <paulej72> NCommander I thought it was too. I think that the fix you did to not show the message for web messages may not have gotten reverted or somthing
[17:01:10] <NCommander> paulej72, great
[17:01:11] <NCommander> -_-;
[17:01:39] <paulej72> I hope it was not something I did.
[17:02:18] <NCommander> paulej72, I'll have to look into it
[17:02:25] * NCommander isn't feeling great today
[17:03:22] * NCommander slept for 16 hours and is strongly debating oging back to bed
[17:04:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> watch it be a missing semi-colon. those are the most fun perl annoyance ever.
[17:05:12] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: it is probably a different, but similar sub that is doing the work of sending, not the one that NCommander worked on
[17:06:01] <NCommander> paulej72, is it all dev emails or?
[17:06:42] <paulej72> NCommander: daily newsletter and daily headlines on dev not showing footer.
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[17:09:24] <NCommander> Great
[17:09:32] * NCommander thinks he's going to lie down again before dealing with this
[17:09:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> percocet and amphetamines are kind of a suck combo. plenty of work i'm in the mood to do but none of it i can trust myself not to screw up.
[17:11:06] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: go work on a open source project you despise and send in patches. Put your untrustworthyness to good use :)
[17:11:46] <Blackmoore> set up a trebuchet in the office.
[17:11:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> ooooh, that's some quality evil there. i dig it.
[17:12:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll build an enormous penis outside a friend's house in minecraft instead though.
[17:18:12] <paulej72> NCommander: themes/default/tasks/daily.pl
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[17:24:22] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard, NCommander: it looks like daily newsletter and daily headlines are sent via daily.pl not the send sub in Messages.pm. So the addition of the email foooter in the send sub is not happening for the tow dailies. We should probably just add the message back to the bottom of these two templates.
[17:26:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> the send sub used for anything else?
[17:26:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> good candidate for removal if not
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[17:29:25] <NCommander> paulej72, yeah, probably a decent idea
[17:29:42] <NCommander> paulej72, but I still thought there were was a problem w/ that
[17:30:17] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: send sub sends all of the other email messages like comment replies, moderations . It porcess web, and email
[17:31:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, should probably eventually use it in daily.pl then instead of a reinvented wheel.
[17:31:42] <paulej72> NCommander: the only problem was someone added the can spam message to all of the templates even the ones that are used to send web messages. the dailies are never sent to the web. ( what would be the point :) )
[17:32:32] <NCommander> paulej72, well, I'm trying to figure out why the template isn't being added on all
[17:32:37] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: the whole system is differnt and to make daily use send sub would be a bitch
[17:33:35] <paulej72> NCommander: daily.pl sends out the headlines and newsletter without using the send sub in Messages.pl so your code will never get called
[17:34:22] <paulej72> NCommander: it uses bulksend instead
[17:36:26] <paulej72> NCommander: the bulksend sub in Messages.pm does not call sub either, but we could add the email_footer call here.
[17:38:49] <paulej72> second ‘sub' above should be “send sub’
[17:40:55] <NCommander> paulej72, that's probably saner in case we ever need to add a new message
[17:43:16] <paulej72> NCommander: I can put this in real quick after lunch as I have the code up
[17:45:18] <NCommander> paulej72, I <3 your coding skills
[17:47:17] * TheMightyBuzzard sings "let it go, let it go, he is one with the insane code..."
[17:49:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, last percocet is definitely still working.
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[18:00:22] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Smartphone with FM Radio Tells Your Position - http://sylnt.us - Radio-Gaga
[18:07:56] <Blackmoore> damn you buzzard. now i'll never look at a code development freeze the same.
[18:08:26] <Blackmoore> (off to rename dev enviroment "Olaf")
[18:21:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> what can i say, it's a catchy tune.
[18:24:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder if i can manage a whole song out of that...
[18:24:51] <Blackmoore> ou i'm sure you can
[18:25:30] <Blackmoore> "I dont care what the error log says.."
[18:26:01] <Blackmoore> "the code never bothered me anyways"
[18:26:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, bout half writes itself
[18:27:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> crying shame my cat can sing better than i can or i'd do it up and put it on youtube.
[18:33:53] <Blackmoore> mm.. you could get code monkey guy to pull it off.
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[18:36:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> jonathan coulton? be funny, yep.
[18:53:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> first verse: http://pastebin.com
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[19:30:29] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - LG Disables Smart in TV Unless You Accept Snooping - http://sylnt.us - big-business-wants-all-your-data
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[19:40:06] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: the first verse is great
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[19:44:55] <Blackmoore> yes. very good
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[20:16:52] <Blackmoore> It’s funny how some macros Makes everything go wrong And the code that once controlled it Wont do a thing at all
[20:18:24] <Blackmoore> It’s time to see what this crap can do To test the server and break through No right, no wrong, no rules for me I’m free
[20:19:37] <Blackmoore> Let it go, let it go this code could make me cry Let it go, let it go why won't it even die?
[20:23:14] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
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[20:28:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> awe man, palemoon's linux build maintainer is quitting.
[20:29:32] <chromas> I just installed that last night
[20:29:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> this morning for me
[20:29:52] <chromas> When I click the little search icon it draws a menu outline then dies
[20:30:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> weird
[20:30:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> just lists out the engines for me
[20:30:37] <chromas> Oh all menus do it. I wonder what I broke
[20:31:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> no telling
[20:31:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> is proper weird though
[20:31:54] <chromas> Time for debugging
[20:32:41] <chromas> ABORT: X_CreatePixmap: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation);
[20:33:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh so it borks out for QT/GTK/any proper toolset then?
[20:33:50] <chromas> It's just palemoon
[20:34:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg, you started with a fresh profile?
[20:34:24] <chromas> Firefox works. Internet suggests video driver which is odd but I do have flashing video on Flash videos
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[20:35:23] <chromas> I'll delete the profile as soon as I figure out where it's stored
[20:35:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> linux?
[20:35:54] <chromas> Yeah
[20:36:02] <chromas> Could be crashing before it writes the profile
[20:36:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~/.moonchild\ productions/pale\ moon/
[20:36:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> afk a few
[20:36:30] <chromas> cool thanks
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[21:08:14] * NCommander deep exhales
[21:08:31] <paulej72> NCommander: did you finsih waking up :)
[21:08:40] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm awake now, just feels "bleh"
[21:09:14] <NCommander> and lost my draft of the current bylaws
[21:10:45] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Develop Code to Study the Higgs Boson - http://sylnt.us
[21:11:10] <paulej72> NCommander: I have been reading the old slash bug reports and our old site maintenace stories looking for bugs that may need to be fixed. I am not quite ready to tackle any of the other big ones at this time and I am looking for small things to fix.
[21:11:51] * NCommander nods
[21:12:02] <paulej72> NCommander: sorry to hear about the bylaws, It should take less time to write it the second time as you should remember them :)
[21:13:30] <NCommander> paulej72, well, I didn't get uber far the first time but yeah
[21:13:42] <paulej72> NCommander: I think I know what is wrong with UTF8. I think that slash is doing some double encoding of stuff that is breaking UTF8. I came to realize this after working on the rss issues.
[21:14:45] <paulej72> I have not traced this yet, but this is my gut feeling now that I have a better idea of what slash does behind the sceenes.
[21:16:21] <NCommander> The purposes of the Foundation shall be to: to create the best source for independent, not-for-profit journalism, to create a forum where people can discuss, and review any topic, and to be an advocate for freedom of press,
[21:16:22] <NCommander> yay
[21:16:30] <NCommander> paulej72, that's going to be "fun" to find
[21:18:11] <stderr> Still no MrBluze|afk? :-(
[21:18:20] * NCommander hrms
[21:18:39] <stderr> MrBluze|afk: WAKE UP!!!
[21:18:48] <paulej72> NCommander: yes it is, but I need to trace this whole thing anyway as I need to figure out why I can’t get slash to not change p tages to double \n. Although when I was testing that last, I am not sure if I was restarting everythng when i updated the pm files.
[21:19:21] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm going to run an article about 501(c)(3), I'm somewhat concerned, and wanted to see if the community had an opinion about it
[21:19:40] <paulej72> fine by me
[21:19:52] <NCommander> paulej72, legally speaking, every 501 has something like this in their bylaws:
[21:19:53] <NCommander> No substantial part of the activities of the Foundation shall be carrying on propaganda, or otherwise attempting, to influence legislation, and the Foundation shall not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distribution of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.
[21:20:22] * NCommander checks the EFFs bylaws
[21:21:52] <Blackmoore> but we DO need influence legislation. and encourage people to reach out and influence their legislators.
[21:22:30] <Blackmoore> i guess that's covered by the non-intravention clause
[21:22:43] <NCommander> Yeah
[21:22:50] <NCommander> I've had a couple of concerns about the 501(c)(3) stuff
[21:23:44] <Blackmoore> funny - when this cam up a while back i jokes about a SuperPAC, but the more i looked at that the more sense it made
[21:24:00] <Blackmoore> not as a part of the libreNews bit
[21:24:12] <Blackmoore> more of a parellel group.
[21:25:12] <paulej72> Blackmoore: it is not that we may need to, if we have that in our bylaws for 502(c)(3) compliance, we may inadvertently post a story that is aginst that rule.
[21:25:26] <Blackmoore> specifically doing the fund-raising, education, and promotion for well in my mind fair copywrite laws, anti-copywrite troll, freedom of speach..
[21:27:01] <Blackmoore> and leagaleese is great at causing issues too.. "prpoganda?" according to who?
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[21:29:13] <Cyprus> wooo superpac
[21:29:21] <Cyprus> also, hi =P
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[22:00:20] <Blackmoore> hi!
[22:05:11] <Blackmoore> NCommander: have you gotten a hold of anyone at the EFF? I wonder what they would advise
[22:06:08] <NCommander> Blackmoore, no, I haven't. THe EFF itself is very careful to avoid getting involved with specific candates, and avoids most of the issues
[22:06:40] <NCommander> Blackmoore, plus I find the EFF is likely not the right venue to look for legal advice w/ SN, as we're out of their scope. The Freedom of Press Foundation is our best bet
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[22:11:14] * NCommander swears a lot
[22:11:31] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - eBay Account Data Compromised - http://sylnt.us - it-had-to-happen-sometime
[22:16:15] * NCommander edits
[22:17:31] <Blackmoore> mm. i didnt even think of the Freedom of press foundation.
[22:23:39] <NCommander> Blackmoore, yeah, we'd likely have to go to them
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[22:45:00] * paulej72 writes less
[22:49:33] <Blackmoore> writes filk
[22:52:01] <deadpeas> [SoylentNews] - Congress is Unhappy with FCC on Net Neutrality - http://sylnt.us - for-some-values-of-neutrality
[22:57:08] <Blackmoore> can we promote a "war on Internet providers"??
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[23:10:13] <Blackmoore> see if we can trick the feds into providing wireless points of service and mesh networks. (only to find that we've attached TOR routers everywhere)
[23:10:38] <Blackmoore> get them to think it's part of winning the war on drugs. or something
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[23:55:02] <chromas> That would mean ludicrous amounts of money invested in it for years to come. Good thinking
[23:58:37] <NCommander> Ok, I think I've got something drafted
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